December 23, 2024 • 61 mins
Dr. Jarrod Sadulski and Ali Hopper joined VERONICA LIVE to discuss their work as Human Trafficking Consultants. The real life superheroes have worked to educate legislators and Americans on what is occurring with our open border. They shared stories of their travels to the border, prisons, people being trafficked, cartels, sexual exploitation and illegal organ harvesting that is occurring every day. Jared and Ali will be launching their new nonprofit in the new year working to expand their fight at ending human trafficking in America. Hear what they shared with me in eye-opening interview.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Veronica Live. And I'm here with my wingman John,
and We've got two guests today that are doing huge
things for our world. I want to welcome doctor Jared
Sadolski and Ali Hopper and they're from Sadolski Enterprises and
they are human trafficking consultants and welcome both of you
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to Veronica Live.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Thank you for having us Veronica.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Okay, let's start with doctor Jared. How tell us your
background and how you got involved with this horrific subject
which we will get into.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Sure absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I retired after twenty six years through the Department Online Security,
through the Coastguard, where I was involved in counter human trafficking,
counter drug trafficking. So it started for me from a
law enforcement perspective, but for the last five years I've
been working in consulting involving human trafficking and speaking to
different organizations, different governments and in Central South America as
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well as to organizations and governments here in the United
States when combating human trafficking and ultimately.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Doing this work. Ali and I partnered about a year.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Ago and that ultimately has led to a much different
level than where I was at when I was doing
it alone.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So Allie, tell us about you, your background and how
you got involved.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
So for me, it started with my moves to Florida.
When I got there, I got connected to some individuals
that were in the counter human trafficking space as far
as education and awareness community wide, and I spoke with
one of the leaders of that legislation and so with
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that connection, I was able to spearhead legislation in Florida
where an anti grooming bill was signed into law in
April of twenty four. Through that spearheading of that ledgelegislation,
I had met doctor Sidalski at one of our events
and he was speaking on counter trafficking and human trafficking
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and the efforts needed by government and law enforcement, and
it really caught my attention. Connected with him on on
the legislation to make sure that the bill had teethed
to it to be able to empower law enforcement to intervene.
And then after that that legislation was passed and signed,
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we ended up working together to further the counter trafficking effort.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well, and I was going to ask you about that too,
and it's anti grooming bill protects children from exploitation, So
I will get back to that. But doctor Jared, what
are the stats? You know, because John and I we've
talked about this subject. We've got you know, I've interviewed
Jacko Bunyan, He's done two of my shows, and he's saying,
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we see the number that there's three hundred and thirty
thousand children that are lost in America, but Jacko says
there's probably half a million. What are the stats that
Americans need to know about this human trafficking?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah, great question, So I want to make sure your
audience understands what that number represents. Okay, So there's been
over one hundred executive orders, well over one hundred in
the last four years that have created a pathway that
traffickers and cartels have exploited. So one of those policies
was doing away with the DNA testing to confirm that
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migrant children that are brought to the border are actually
with the families that are accompanying them. Also, doing way
with the DNA testing enables children to be brought to
the border by the cartels given in being given the
name and phone number who there to request to be
their sponsor, which in turn that's who they provide to
the federal government, which ultimately transfers that child to that
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sponsor without proper vetting. As a result, there have been
over five hundred thousand children that have come to the
border unaccompanied, have presented themselves along with the name and
phone number of who they are requesting to be their sponsor,
and five hundred thousands of those children have been sent
to unvetted sponsors. There was an Office of Inspector General
report that came out in September that said that over
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three hundred and twenty four thousand of those children are missing.
The government has no idea where they went. And that
makes sense because a lot of these children were sent
to people that since the cartels gave the name and
phone numbers of where these children are to request to
go to. They're controlled by the cartels. It's part of
the TC transnational criminal Organization network and we ally and
I see case after case after case of it, and
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so now that's really where where those numbers go. But
should say, yeah, so they're unaccounted for. These children are missing.
The context of the government doesn't know where they are
because they're unaccounted for. They're unable to locate and contact
these children. I spoke to a criminal investigator in Florida
who's tasked on checking on the well being of twenty
five of these shown he could only locate too. The
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other children either never arrived or the sponsor said strange
men came into the children. And part of alienized, part
of Alianized work is going into the prison and interviewing
such traffickers who This information isn't coming from us, It's
not coming from a textbook. It's coming from former and
current cartel members, traffickers that are incarcerated, that are telling us, Hey,
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this is what's happening, and this is why.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
So why do you think there's you know, to me,
it just seems that there's this I don't malaise or
disinterest or something in this subject. And you know you're
used to be I would used to be a member
of the Florida Republican Party Executive Committee, and I pushed
our national committee man Peter Fahman, to get a plank
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included in the Republican platform on anti slavery and human trafficking, which,
interesting enough, the Democrats refuse to put in their platform,
but we managed to get that in, you know, probably
twelve years ago, I think, but not a whole lot
has happened since then, and why do you think people
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are disconnected from this subject? There's no level of outrage,
it seems, well, did you want.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
To take bub.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I think that's an interesting question. I think that prior
to Trump being in office during his first term, not
many people heard about it. They weren't really aware that
it was even happening in our country, and so a
lot of people's first interaction or I guess knowledge about
it was when Trump started putting together human Trafficking task
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Force forces throughout and we're busting trafficking ranks throughout the country.
So the fact that he started talking about it at
that point in time helped guide the conversation in that way,
although it had been happening and many administrations were aware
of it, for the general public, I think that the
massive amount of censorship around the conversation and topic hasn't
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helped bring awareness to grassroots and just people in their
everyday lives, and even now we're finding issues with being
able to spread spread the message. It has helped with
with Elon taking xover so that we can more easily
communicate about this, but many times these these terms get
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flagged and we're not able to get the message out
in an effective way. And the media that the legacy media,
I should say, does not want to talk about it. Historically,
the more conservative media is willing to talk about it.
But we've reached out to both sides of the aisle, left,
right and different, and the only one that's really willing
to talk about it as far as more mainstream legacy
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media is more of the conservative platforms.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
But it's it's not just a national worldwide you know,
slavery and human trafficking exists throughout the world today. It's
happening right now, and people don't seem to get that.
It just it doesn't seem to register that slavery still exists.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
If I get out on to what Alis said, she's
absolutely correct. So part of our work as we go
around the country and we speak to audiences from the
West coast to the East coast and certainly up to
Connecticut to Texas, all over the country, and we have
yet to find an audience that was versed in what
human trafficking really is in their communities. And there's such
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a misunderstanding of the scope and this understanding that human
trafficking exists in all fifty states, and a lot of
the vast majority of sex trafficking victims are US citizens. However,
we have really compounded the number of sex traffic victims
in the United States because of what we're allowed to happen
at our border. So part of alan As research, we
spend a lot of time on the border. And we
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were to shelter back in February, and it was down
there and I was talking to the different migrants and
every single one of them had been exploited by the cartels.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Some were robbed, some.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Were kidnapped, taking to where they could have money sent
to via Western Union so that they could live. Some
of them saw people specially exploited on the route to
the United States. The saddest story was a mother who
refused to let her child out of her arms, and
when the staff asked why because she was safe in
this migrant shelter in the United States, she explained that
the cartel stole not only all of her belongings, but
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the other two children she started the voyage with because
she had no money for bribes. That led me wondering
why would the cartel want these children. Then I learned
that through what's called the Office of Refugee Resettlement under
the Biden Harris administration, it could be argued that it
is government sponsored, taxpayer funded child trafficking. The United States
acts as a pipeline for the cartels to bring these
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children to the border. Provide the name of who there
to request to be the sponsor, and then on our text,
our dime, those children are being sent to the sponsor
from the border, without betting what I'm meaningful vetting, and
without a meaningful fold through to make sure the child's okay.
They make three phone calls after the child's delivered to
the sponsor, and if no one answers, that's it. No
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one's checking on his children. When I testified through the Senate,
sitting next to me was the secretary of Florida's Department
of Children and Families is She testified that despite their requests,
the Office of Refugee or Settlement refuses to provide Department
of Children and Families with any information on these children
to enable them to go do well being checks. And
the reason they do that is because they are covering
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up the fact that their mishandling is leading to child trafficking.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Can I ask you a real, really quick follow up
on that. I agree with your part about about the
US government being complicit in this, but there's also the NGOs,
and the NGOs are largely religious organizations. I mean, do
they recognize what's going on or do they just turn
the blind eye because they're being funded by the government
and they're more interested in the larger refugee situation.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
How do you want to take that.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I would say it's a combination of both. I would
say that there are some good NGOs that get lumped
in with some of these larger NGOs that have been exposed.
There is one subtlest key is facing a federal lawsuit
because of the unaccompanied children in their care being sexually
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assaulted by staff. And so there are situations where NGOs
are either turning a blind eye or they are ignoring signs.
We interviewed an auditor that was tasked with auditing one
of these facilities and found numerous situations of concerning events
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that had happened, one of which being a staff A
member of staff that was standing on a table teaching
a room full of migrant girls between the ages of
thirteen to seventeen how to towerque and this auditor had
walked in on this, the staff member did not stop
his behavior, and when the auditor wrote up a report
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citing this example and other concerning things that this auditor
had found, the auditor was the one that was let go.
The guy was the staff was later let go, but
not sure what the circumstances of his of his termination
or separation were, but he ended up later getting a
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job with Disney.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
With who so Disney? Oh gosh, Oh my gosh. That
didn't come through on my line here. Okay, why why
did they stop the DNA testing? I mean, such common
sense and and I guess you know, because I agree
the Biden demonstrations they don't care, But how do you
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not care for for people in their most vulnerable state?
So why why did did they stop the d N
DNA and then talk about this Biden administration? I mean, ah,
I just yeah, I'm gonna get on my soapbox. Everyone.
Let's hope I don't fall off.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Jar.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Would you like to take the DNA testing?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
So there's no there's no valid reason for them letting
the contract expire on the familial DNA testing. So when
we talked about DNA testing, we're talking about testing the
migrant compared to the sponsor. There is no reason. It
is pure evil what the Biden Harris administration has done.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
May Orcus.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
May Orcus came out recently making clements about knowing children
are being trafficked, but that's not in the purview of
Department of Homeland Security. He is pure evil, and so
is be Sarah. But Sarah is the person that runs
a officer vertguy settlement and.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So the.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
So.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
But to ask your question, how bad it is?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Ellie and I sat across the desk from a border
patrol agent and his with his lower lip quivering and tears,
he explained to us that he came across two adults
and a child. The child they claimed to be the people.
The adults claimed to be the child's parents. He suspected
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they weren't. There were indicators that they weren't related and
they did not know each other, which is very, very
common according to the cartels that we cartel incarcerated cartel
members that we interview. So this border patrol agent explains
that the child is injured. So the child's taken to
the hospital where the doctor discovers the child has been raped. However,
because of the Biden pairs administration and the removal of
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familial DNA testing. This border patrol agent was required, had
no other choice but they hand this child back to
the two adults that they are sexually exploiting the child
to send them on their way to the United States.
That's how broken the system is. And we early are
at served as consultants a total of ten times in
last year to committees on both the US Senate and
Congress side. No one can say that they don't know,
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because after that, you know, we do a ton of
media are messaging, you know, is reaching millions of people.
You can't say that you don't know. So I can
speak from personal experience. I wasn't aware of a lot
of this until recently in the last year or two,
and so as somebody that's a criminologist, and I wasn't
aware of that. The general public just there's a lot
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of misconception understanding. But Ali and I are seeing this
firsthand in terms of the trafficking of children. We could
give you case after case. If we're children have been
sent by the federal government to MS thirteen, to an
empty field, to a house that's sponsored forty five of
these children, those children are being trafficked.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Well, I guess our government is just completely evil, and
how does society not care? You know, because I don't
know how to fix it from behind a microphone, I
don't know how except by telling this story.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I'm curious.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Is this part of the pedophile movement in the Democrat
at the Liberal Democrat Party? You know that obviously the
Biden administration accompliment has a bunch of those people, you know,
I really, we really I can't speak to that because
we're not you know, that's not the focus of our research.
The focus of our research is on the victims, where
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they're at, who's trafficking them, And a lot of what
we're finding in terms of who's trafficking them are gangs
that are affiliated with the Mexican cartels and also other
transnational criminal organizations at the United States. So that really
has been the focus of our research. But we were
just doing research recently on the border this past week,
and they came across a family, a family, a group
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of kids that were at the border came across the
legally from Mexico on a company. We're just there by
themselves with the phone number, a piece of paper and
named phone number of somebody that.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
They wanted to claim to be their sponsor. Eventually a
lady shows up from the border claims to be the
mother of these children. The problem is they're not the
same ethecicity. The children had Cambodian fastports. Well, the mother
was the Mexican national. Absolutely and unfortunately, like it's just
it's a constant thing that is occurring, so nobody, especially
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with the low morale of border patrol, these guys are
completely deflated in terms of morale. The suicide rate that
exists in border patrol is an issue, and I do
believe that both change in the day of reckoning. For
the corrupt government officials that have let this happen. It
could be argued whether it's complacence of your complicity. Not
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qualified to make that judgment, but I can tell you
that what has been allowed to happen is pure evil
because they know when it's happening these children, and they
continue to allow it.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
January twenty so when I was watching the testimony, you
guys mentioned Oregon harvesting and nobody really talks about that,
and you talked there's a I guess you know, they
were doing livings and somebody's eye and Uh, you know,
I'm sure kidneys talk about that because Americans are absolutely clueless.
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And you talked about that three. I guess the Livers
had people that from America that had paved for them.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, So when we were interviewing the incarcerated trafficker, he
was he was discussing with us that there's been a
major divide within the cartels. There is what would be
considered the Old Guard and the New Guard. And the
Old Guard operates very much within certain certain leadership structures
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and areas that they that they navigate within as far
as drug trafficking, arms trafficking, and even human trafficking. However,
the Old Guard has explicitly and specifically said that they
do not deal in child such they don't deal in
child trafficing. The New Guard is is this lawless group
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and again you're dealing you're discussing hotels, so air quote lawless.
The lawless group that has no has no rules, has
no boundaries, has no leadership structure that's meaningful in any
way or respect for any semblance of areas that that
they don't that they don't dabble in. So they don't,
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they don't, they don't hesitate to traffic children, they don't
hesitate to enter the organ trafficking space. So when we
were discussing this with this trafficker, he had mentioned how
lucrative the businesses for for traffickers that recruit other traffickers
to do this work. It's very high paying. And they
said there are buyers all over the world the livers
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were for. I guess you would say purchase orders from
American buyers, But do the American buyers know where the
organs are coming from? You know, we can't say that. However,
we do know that it is an operation that is
very lucrative. It's very tough when you are the cartel member.
Basically put it like this, if you've had a family
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member that was on an organ donation list and they
had to wait two years, but they only had two months.
That puts people in a place of desperation where they
seek out methods that they wouldn't normally seek out. So
this organ this organ harvesting process is really really nefarious
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and a lot of migrants get taken advantage of and
taken on their journey from where they're coming from to
the United States. A lot of them go missing and
people don't know where they are and they're unaccounted for,
and many times children run there being either sex traffic
or labor traffic. Is that organ harvesting component?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
It's interest correct.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
It's interesting because I've heard the Chinese have been involved
in something similar with the with the ugers, you know,
as far as the Oregon harvesting.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
And yeah, that's the only place I've heard is yeah,
the Weiers, that's the only group I've heard.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
See if I could add onto that, So sorry. So
another a separate trafficker that that Aliy and I interviewed, now,
he was He's an interesting guy.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
He was a Bartel affiliate.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
A gang member with the Southern California gang.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
He went to prison in California for murder.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
And he was a sex trafficker who used to work
in sex trafficking houses. So he was able to explain
to us exactly what it looks like in stash houses
that are used for the purposes of sex trafficking.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And I'd be happy to share that.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
But one of the things that he said to one
of the things he said to Aliy and I that
that really stood out to us the most was he
described when he was leaving when he was being deported
after going to prison for murder in the United States.
Who was at the deportation depot in California, and he
was talking to another guy that was a trafficker. Except
this guy which his name was Turko, which is a
common criminal name in Columbia, which is where this guy
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is from. Turko explained that his specialization is the harvesting
of organs of children, and what he does is he
goes into migrant groups migrant camps, and he basically compels
the parents or the caregivers to.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Let the child go with him.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Under the guys if he's going to bring that child
to the United States and connect that child of the
family in the United States. And Turko explained that he
would go gain the trustees of these parents and caregivers,
They would give them the passports and identifications of the children,
tell the children to go with him, and he would
take them and fill whatever order he received for the
specific organ. The last organ that we're aware of that
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Turco harvested was the right eye of a twelve year
old boy for fifteen thousand dollars in Mexico.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
So are these do they do they kill the children
when they're done or the organ donor or is it
they just name them for.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Life, right.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
If it's a liver, then job. You know, the person
is not going to live. But I can tell you
how bad it is. The one thing that Aliy and I,
you know, his humanitarians and doing this work, you know,
really I think bothered us the most is that the
story of the exploitation that is occurring to these migrants
and route to the border is not being told. And
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Ali and I spoke to an individual that he was
from Central America. He was smuggled to the United States
within the last year. And we know we knew him.
We knew him whenever he we knew him from Central
America from our humanitarian work there. And when I talked
to him, he described that it was so horrifying taking
the migrant route to the United States that he was
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stepping him and his microgroup were stepping over the skeletal
remains of adults and children throughout the route, wondering if
they were murdered or died of starvation, because those were
two real threats that him and his group were experiencing.
And it just goes to show the level of you know,
there are hundreds of thousands of people missing in Mexico
that no one's looking for. If you're a migrant coming
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from Guatemala and you're speaking Mayan dialect, it's not English,
it's not Spanish, and you go missing in Mexico, there's
there's no one looking for you. So that's why the
organ harvesting is so profitable in Mexico is because the
cartels operate with complete immunity and they're able to harvest
these organs without repercussion. And another thing to that in
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that vein is an alienized research. There's a place called
the Darien Gap, which is a stretch between Colombia and Panama.
It's the only way to get to Central America from
South America via land. It's the only land connection. It
is completely cartel controlled. It is one of the most
horrifying places on Earth. And we have spoken to so
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many migrants that have been sexually exploited, have been robbed,
have seen people be murdered in this Darian Gap. So
part of our research this past week is we spoke
with an individual that explained that he came from a
country in the always two Venezuela through the Darien Gap,
and when he said Darien. It caught my attention, and
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I don't even know why I asked him. I just
kind of blurted it out. I said, were you or
your family assaulted or exploited in the Darien Gap? His
eyes immediately welled.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
With tears and he looked at his wife.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
And I couldn't ask him any more questions because he
didn't have to, he didn't have to describe in any detail.
I understood what happened to his wife there in the
Darien Gap, and that literally was part of our research.
We talked to this guy a week less than a
week ago. So you know, these are the things that
I really want the public to know, is that these
are human beings. These people are because we've allowed the
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open borders, we have allowed for the level of exploitation
of these people exponential levels. And Ali, could you just
share what we saw in Yakumba walking the Migro trails,
the couple of things to that.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
One of the things that I highlighted and my testimony
was the fact of laundering your identification in the sense
that you will you as a migrant, will travel with
certain documentation and then when you get to a certain point,
your identification will change hands, the cartels will help facilitate
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the printing of new documentation. What this does is not
only does it shed and wash out the country of
origin that you've had, the original name and any identifying,
meaningful identifying factors, but it also washes out your background.
So we talked to a border patrol agent, a former
border patrology and they literally said, if you came to
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the border border patrol where they were processing you, and
you had documentation that said my name is Mickey Mouse,
they literally will put that in their database. So a
lot of these people that enter the country, we don't
know their name, their real name, we don't know their age,
their true country of origin, if their documents are forged.
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And so they're entering our country, men, women, children, both
with clean backgrounds and more nefarious backgrounds, gang members, cartel members,
and they're coming into our country, into the interior, unvetted
and with no meaningful identifying as factors or documentation. But
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with the with the trails that we were discussing, there
are two paths along the border that we had ventured
through in California, along the Mexico border, the wall ended
and at one point we could literally stand in Mexico
in the US at the same time, you could have
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one foot on each side of the country, and so
there was no there's no meaningful wall in that area.
But when you walk further down, there were two paths
that the cartel used to transport migrants, and one of
them was the path of wealthier migrants that were able
to pay a higher fee, and there were very little signs,
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if any, of exploitation. But the other path was just
littered with signs of exploitation. And that's the path of
people that are either in debt to the cartels and
unable to pay, or they're poorer migrants, so again they're
going to be in debt and they're going to come
into the country with a debt to pay, and it's
littered with signs of exploitation. Women's quothing, undergarnments strewn throughout,
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hanging on bushes to serve as a warning sign if
you try to cross without paying, or cross with the
approval of the cartel, and if you don't pay, this
is what the outcomes. These are the consequences. So it's
really disheartening to see, and the American public has no
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clue that this is going off in their country.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
So one of my questions is who once these kids
come to America and they're missing. Now, I mean, and
we know they're being sexually exploited, is it Americans that
they're exploiting? I mean, who, I guess it's Americans that
are coming to these Are they coming to stash houses
to have sex with these children? And what's the extent
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of it. I just don't understand why this is happening
in the Biden administration. So, I mean, to let twenty
million people I think it's twenty million. Trump is said
twenty million into our country is just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
That's a great question, Veronica. I don't like Jared, you know,
at his take to it. But the American, the US
citizen is the highest buyer of this air quote commodity,
and I hate referring to it like that, but that
is how the cartel sees it. They see it as
a commodity, whether it's using this individual for sex or
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labor or drug packaging. The the US is the highest
fire of that commodity. And so whether we see situations
of sex trafficking, there are US buyers. Whether we see
labor trafficking situations where in the US, places like poultry
factories and warehouses have been busted with having underaged children
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and horrific work condition. So yeah, the US buyer is
complicit in.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
This, so frustrating. John, Go ahead, Jared, you're going to
add on to that.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Sure, So yeah, those are great point that Ali made.
So to answer the question of like why this is happening, one,
it is fueled by the demand.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Of US citizens.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
US citizens are fueling this demand that is being met
by the cartel at the expense of these women and children.
But here's exactly how it works. So let's focus on
sex trafficking of migrants. Now, again, the vast majority of
sex traffic the United States are US citizens near groom.
That's why we are advocating for the anti grooming bill
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in all fifty states right now. I think ally has
got passed to poor states and that's one of the
main focuses. But in terms of these children and women
that are coming from the border, this is aw work.
So they don't have the money for the transportation. So
the partels will embed coyotes within the migrant groups and
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their entire purpose is to identify who doesn't have the
money for unexpected delays, bribes, things of that nature. Then
they're immediately sold between forty six thousand dollars to the
neighboring traffickers that accompany the smugglers on the route. And
what ultimately happens is people are still brought to the border.
Once they're at the border, they are placed into the
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custard and control of the cartels and the gangs that
work with the cartels. In the first house, they're taken
to the first stash house, which is where one of
our sources used to work, is the bussing center. They're
they're photographed, a file is created of how much money
they must work off. There's basically a profile created that
is uploaded to the cloud. From there, they are sent
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to a second stash house. Well, the first stash house
is on the border. That second stash house is in
my community, it's in your community. It's in communities about
the United States, and they're very difficult to recognize. Law
enforcement is not two steps behind us. There are six
to eight steps behind this, and so is the prostitution
of these traffickers. There's just such a lack of knowledge
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of what trafficking actually looks like. These stash houses have
cameras all around them inside and outside. They have surveillance
cameras that extend all the way to the nearby intersections
so that they're able to see who is approaching this house.
So these victims are required to say in that second
stash house until their debt is paid, and then they're
taken to a third stash house, which is ultimately where
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they're given their property back and release to their final destination.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Yeah, it's interested in this scription because that almost it
almost fits up here in North Florida. You know, during
the summertime, we always have a worker shortage for all
of the different you know, water parks and whatever activities
are going on, restaurants and and you know, I guess
about six seven years ago, there was a scandal about
these European companies, uh you know, the former Soviet satellite countries.
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They were bringing these these teenage girls over and this
was all legal, you know, they all had you know,
worker permits and all that, and they were basically you know,
putting them in in a house and and they were
being controlled by by these people that were importing them
basically as slave labor almost you know, and it was
it was you know it's a known thing, and you know,
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the businesses are participating in it, the government's participating in it.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
And again there was.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
There was very little outrage on on on this legalized
form of trafficking.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
And to that point, I mean Jared had meant that
cartels operate with impunity.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
They really do.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
We saw a live border crossing with an adult on
one side of the border wall that had already crossed.
The other individual was on the other side waiting to
cross the use in the rope ladder, and they had
handed a child through the border wall panels. And we
saw two masked cartel members and they saw us with
our phones. I mean we were within six feet of them,
and for them to not be afraid, for them to
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flash a peace sign at us as we're recording, it
just shows that there's no yeah, there's no fears. They
know that they wait for border patrol to pull up
because they want to be caught by border patrol. This
is you know, obviously prior to this incoming administration. I
think there's been a little change up in the process.
That's then they're a little bit more nervous about being
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caught by border patrol. But but you know, to take
it to this current administration. They knew that they wanted
to be taken in by border patrol, processed through you know,
border patrol, and have their court dates set to four
to seven years in the future, and disappear into the
interior of our country and then they operate with pure impunity.
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But I do think that Jared, you should mention and
this smuggler phone that that we had found. I think
that that would add a valuable component to the conversation. Yeah,
so you say it one more time, the phone of
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the smugglers.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Oh yes, so okay.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
So part of the work that we're doing down there
is we have a partner down there. His name's Corey
got Arau and he works in the border in California
and he is a partner that would go down and we.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Work with together, shoulder to shoulder.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
And he was on the border prior to our our last, second,
last visit and he picked up a cell phone on
the border and he was able to get into the
fund because the security code is one two, three four.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
And it was a Chinese.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Smuggler trafficker that came from Luhan, China and he had
I think it was over one hundred and eighty telegram chats,
and in those were all discussions about how to purchase
a child for sex, how to get into San Diego
County through the border where there's no law, how to
you know, traffic victims, how to locate victims to be trafficked.
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Everything that is in the prim wonderworld that while smuggling
trafficking is in this guy's phone. So, but one of
the most concerning things was there was also discussions about
the US nuclear posture. So considering that this came from
the Chinese national and there's discussions about the US, yeah,
the US nucletar posture, it just shows that there's such
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a lack of control. And part of the problem is
that in the federal government and there's been HSI agents
that you have said, Hey, we have to wait in
the next administration before we're able to do anything meaningful,
and that's just unacceptable. And part of you know, what
I think really has to happen if we want to
talk solutions is you know, these guys in the May
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York is the Sarah from HHS.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
They need to be held accountable and that's.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
One of the goals, you know, certainly of working with
these committees of both the Congress Assentdate side that Ali
and I have is let's just not forget what happened
in the past. Let's hold these people legally accountable. And
also let's there's a process to that inspect your General's
office that they can be barred from future government service
because after all, the Democrats are going to get controlled
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of the House, Senate or President again, and if it's
the presidency, the likelihood of these sand people coming back
and destroying more lives is very high. Therefore, steps need
to really be put into place instead of just forgetting
what happened the last four years and the criminality of
the last four years, putting in place implementing accountability so
it doesn't happen in the future.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
So I know we're limited on time, So John, I
want to go to a rapid fire because we have
lots of questions answer. So my first question is won't
it be better with Trump because he said he's going
to send the military in there and destroy these cartels?
Or is that you all have been to the borders?
Is that too outrageous that thought, especially we haven't talked
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about fentanyl and.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Even closing the border.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Do you want to take other on me too.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So I think there's a combination of things that are
going on here. The cartel is very much aware of
this incoming administration. They are very terrified of not only
being declared a terrorist organization whereby their assets can be seized,
but they also are terrified with other appointments and selections
that have been made Tom Holman, the selections for D
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and I and Homeland Security, and then you have RFK Junior,
and not many people talk about the fact that RFK
is going to be fearheading HHS, yes, overseas the Office
of Refugee Resettlement, which oversees the Unaccompanied Children program. So
there's a lot of good eyes on what's going to
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be going on with this incoming administration. They are very
much aware of the problem. Their first priority is going
to be to secure of the border, to stop the
belief they're going to focus on dangerous criminals in the country.
As far as mass deportations, that's going to be their
first priority. As far as as far as the deportations go,
it is going to focus on the terrorists, the criminals,
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the gang members, the cartel members that are not supposed
to be here, and that has the cartels terrified.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
And then have you guys, I know you go to
DC a lot, you've testified, are there do you have
people legislators that are on your team and are there
any Democrats on your team in that group?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Question? Yeah, yeah, question good a question.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
So, so to answer that question, there are lawmakers to
make care. So there are a law makers that care.
Senator Grassley, you know his heart is truly in this
Senator uh, Congressman Higgins, Congressman Mills. These are these are
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lawmakers that we've we've talked with, that we work with
that are just waiting for the opportunity to bring about
not only the accountability but also meaningful change to protect
these children. So you know, we are willing to work
with Republican, Democrat, independent. It really can't be a part
of an issue. It's about children. It's about the rape
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of children. So you know, we are really out of
it about working with the left in terms of creating
legislation to make meaningful change.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
And you know, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
It's a difficult question when I'm trying to uh carefully answered,
But there are people we have come across, people that
that genuinely care and We've come across at least one
Democratic congressman that sees it, that is sympathetic, and you
know is is at least accept is at least open
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to ideas to address the problem.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Okay, well that makes me feel good. Go ahead, John.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
So, so if you talked to any of the or
interviewed any of the victims of these these uh, these crimes,
I'm just curious if there's there doesn't seem to be
a feedback mechanism back to the source, you know, back
to these originating countries that says, here's what's going to
happen to you if you do this? You know, is
that am I? Am I missing something in that loop?
Speaker 4 (41:43):
No, We've talked many, many victims, even just this past week,
many at least fifty in the last week, and so
you know it, you hit the nail on the head
in terms of getting the message back to the home
country of Hey, if you come here through the cartel network,
what's going to happen to you? The problem is they
are so desperate that Alec could you know, explain, because
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she's seeing this firsthand. We're finding suitcases of these women
coming across with STD medication that they're bringing in preparation
for this harrowing journey to the border.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Horrible, Wow, horrible.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
So are you guys scared of doing this business because
you're talking to all these people? How often do you
go to the border? And then how how are you funded?
Who's funding you? Do you know to do this important work?
Speaker 3 (42:39):
So ell you want to take are or you may
take it.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I think that that's better, say to free.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
So this is dangerous business.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
And when I was down on the border this past week,
I had somebody across the border, a criminal across the border.
I was looking at him with binoculars and as he
turned had a rifle and he pointed the rifle directly
at my head. I could see the reflection in the
scope of his rifle. When Ali and I were on
the border dealing with when we walked up to get
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the picture of the guy giving the peace sign, somebody
fired around from behind him, and I think it was
a warning shot, trying to chase us out of there.
This is dangerous business, but it is one that has
to be done right, you know. I don't know, and
I hope there's people out there, but I don't know
of anyone that's going into the prison at Central America
in interviewing Convention tex tracts and.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
How do you get that access? Yes, oh my.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Gosh, well, yep, I could speak to that because it
took five years in the making, right, so five years
ago and I can't say the name of the country,
but I went to Central American country to provide training
to their government on counter human trafficking, and part of
that process, I was given a tour of their prison.
I was so taken back by what I saw at
this prison in that it has one of the lowest
reoffending rates in the world, despite being a poor prison
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in a poor country. And the reason why is because
the entire person and management, the entire prison operating system
is based on a Christian based rehabilitation model that works.
And I saw it firsthand and I just was so
drawn to it that the last five years I've been
leeting teams for my church and from around the country
to provide training to the prison staff, which is the
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only training that the prison staff receives because they have
no budget for training. Well, that is extended to providing
training to the inmates life scost training. Ali and I
were down there recently providing anger management training. I was
providing training on how to be a father reincarcerated, and
so Ali and I, you know, we do this work.
So when we go down there and we show that
these inmates that you know, the mistakes of their past
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don't define them, but what they do with the faith
based rehabilitation that's been given to them here in this
prison does, and what they're going to do with it
in the future, we gain their trust. And because some
of them are in there that are rehabilitated that regret
what they've done, we tell them you can't do anything
about the victims you exploited in the past, but you
can protect you can protect future victims by talking to
and I and my do they It's unbelievable the things
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that they have told us, so much so that the
first time that we did this, about a year and
a half ago, I wrote an article and published it
on some of the information that I testified to in
the number of twenty twenty three four Congress. How I
ended up in front of Congress is somebody from the
Committee on Homeland Security reached out and said, hey, we
read this article. We didn't know any of this. Where
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are you getting this information? We set up a meeting.
I explained to them, you know how you do this
work as a prison fostered these relationships with five years,
and that's ultimately what led to the first invitation to
testify before the Congress. And so you know that there's
a lot of the work we do, but it's not
just limited to Central America. Alan and I are going
to to Bogatah, Columbia soon to be a guest of
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Interpol and the National Police of Columbia who has a
very strong counter human trafficking operation that should be adopted
in the United States and will be advocated for that soon.
So that's how we are getting this information, trusted results.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
So it is a well rounded approach. It's talking to
the victims, talking to you victims turned survivors, it's talking
to border patrol agents, it's talking to two former and
current cartel members. So we're trying to get a full
rounded picture, well rounded picture. But we won't we won't
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deny the fact that not everyone is able to be rehabilitated.
We did get to ask that question on a different
show and they asked, you know, what's the likelihood of
some of these some of these individuals that have partaken
in trafficking, what is their likelihood of being rehabilitated. And
there is certain circumstances and many times where where these
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traffickers will not cannot be rehabilitated. So you know, there
are circumstances where we have encounter traffickers where where you
can tell that they there are no there's no soul,
there's no there's nobody behind the eyes anymore. And there
was a woman that we had met that was trafficking
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her own daughter, and that was one of those cases
where I'd met her. She was in a woman's only
section of the prison, so Jared didn't go into that area,
but it was that that look that you know that
there was no remorse, You know that there's no breaking through.
So there are circumstances where many times where the trafficker
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you're not going to get through. But the ones that
we are able to get through and garner information and
develop a relationship with, if they are able to be rehabilitated,
it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
So Mike, my next question is how do you sleep
at night because you're like on the front, you know,
you're in warfare, and and does God you mentioned your church,
Jared I guess is God part of your mission between
both of you that's helping you drive this train?
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
So I want to make sure that I answer your
previous question as well. But to answer your question, so,
our faith is very important to us. You know that
that's really the guiding principle of all of this is God.
Speaker 5 (48:08):
You know.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
I think we've been given.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
This opportunity to to go out there, to go into
the prison, to go and speak to people around America's
and to create this awareness that can combat human trafficking,
and it is it really is a faith based component there.
There is a faith based component to what we do.
But you would you had asked earlier about how are
we funded. We are self funded.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
We have we have.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Paid, uh, you know for these research trips. You know,
this comes out of our pockets. And you know, we
are seeing such a meaningful change and such an awareness
nationally in the work that we're doing. It's worth it,
you know, it's it's it's worth you know, spending the
money and getting down there and you know, doing doing
this work to create to create this awareness. Now with
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that said, we're sooner going to be opening up a nonprofit.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
I was going to ask.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
The next question. So that will be done in a
matter of weeks.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
And you know, because there have been some that have
reached out that say, hey, you know, we're seeing the difference.
We live in Michigan, we live in Colorado, we live wherever.
You know, what can we do to get involved? So
what I would say that if anybody wants to know,
support the work we're doing, and that can look like
a lot of different things. You know, that could be
sponsoring a research trip back to the prison, or sponsoring
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a research trip back to the border where we we
report back our findings. You know what occurred, you know
why this you know why this trip was important, and
what the outcomes of this trip are going to be.
Those are things that help us out tremendously. So, you know,
from the time being, somebody that wishes to learn more
of how they can support us, they can reach out
to our website. You know, it's www dot Sadoski s
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A d U L s k I s A d
U L s k I dot com, so w w
W Sadoski dot com and we can start that discussion.
Then once the nonprofit is developed, you know, then ultimately
the website's going to be moved over there, and the
work ultimly, alsimbly be moved over there as well.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
And is that how you sleep at night? Because you
are doing your impacting the world. Alli hatt't got those
bills passed and people are reaching back.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
I think when we come home from these trips, it
takes it takes a lot out of you. I mean bronically,
you know from serving in the military. It's just coming
back home after being in such a challenging situation. And
this situation can't you know, and doesn't compare to our
armed services and military members. But to that, to that
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same vein coming back to life as usual is really
hard to transition back after you've been seeing children being
exploited and coming face to face of victims, and people
back home are none the wiser to what's going on.
But we have that faith and we both are parents,
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and so we look at our children and we know
that our children are the age of those children at
the border, the children that are being exploited, and so
we fight for you know, our children's future, but children
everywhere because they deserve to have someone fighting for them
and fighting for their stories and fighting to get the
word out there. So that's what this is the hill
that we've decided to to stand on and to fight
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for and and it is dangerous, but it's a journey
that needs to be done and it's a calling that
we feel compelled to to spearheads beautiful.
Speaker 5 (51:37):
So we we've been talking mainly about a supply side,
you know issue here with with all these cartels providing
providing these these children and stuff. On the demand side,
where is the demand? I mean it is just like
you know, the obviously the internet porno industry is just
off off the charts as far as that that depravity goes.
(51:59):
But know is this is this you know, just groups
all over the country. Is it migrant groups who think
you know this?
Speaker 3 (52:07):
This?
Speaker 5 (52:08):
You know this? This is normalization you know to have
sex with children? I mean where where is this going?
And is there any way to stop the demand side
of this equation to where where the cartels don't have
any customers?
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Jared does a very beautiful presentation. I mean it's a
it's a horrifying subject, but the presentation itself is so
educational on sextortion and that talks about the up and
rising crime that is that is presenting to our to
our teenagers and I think that the reason why it's
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so important and so impactful is a lot of times
these these kids that get sextorted online end up as
human trafficking victims when they come in contact with the
person on the other side of the internet. But where
you were asking about the buyers, it's toss be because
if the buyers are from the United States, there is
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a mental health component to it. There is a major
issue with the sexualization of children at an early age.
What's acceptable, what's not acceptable. When you get to dealing
with migrants coming in from a different country and they're
not forced to work through the process of gaining their
legal citizenship, they're coming in with cultural norms and societal
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norms of their home country and they're not beholden to
the cultural and societal norms of our country. And so
there are there are countries where it is okay to
be with younger children and where trafficking has been a
generational crime and you know, it's not dealt with and
in their home countries and it's not focused on So
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it's a combination of if you're with a genre Jane,
that is that is a buyer from the United States
or is from a different country.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
So what are we missing between both of you? I mean,
I'm just heartbroken. I've had guests on talking this subject
and it's just it makes me so angry. I'm fluent
in Spanish. I'd love to help you in any way.
I'm not going to a jail, but I'm happy to
host you back and help lot you know, get you
guys launched however with that nonprofit. So anything you need,
(54:34):
please let me know. But whathe are we missing? This
is just it saddens me. I think, you know, part
of it's our society. Even in America, we just don't
have God as not part of the equation. And I
think it starts there.
Speaker 3 (54:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (54:51):
So yeah, So what we're missing is the fact that
people think it's political that you know, we talked about
in the trafficking. People you know, just don't want to
accept it, just don't want to believe it. But people
need to open their eyes because it could be their child,
and it happens all the time, especially through the grooming
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on the internet gaming platforms sins of that nature. So
Alli had mentioned sextortion, which according to the FBI, is
one of the fastest growing crimes online against children or
is actually the fastest growing online crime towards children, and
it's happening all across the country, and it's causing children
to take their lives because what happens is, child, you'll
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go on to the internet or meet somebody, somebody shows
interest in the child, they developed this online relationship with them,
and the person compels them, talks them into basically coercing
them to send sexually explicit images. And now they're basically
compelled to whatever this person wants them to do. You know,
whether it's engaged sex trafficking, send additional sexually explicit pictures,
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if your child, If our children have access to the internet,
they are being targeted. If they have access to the
internet and social media, our children are being targeted. And
I know because at a younger age my children adults now,
but when they were younger, one of my daughters was
the target of grooming online by a sex predator. So
you know, these things happen. These things happen, you know,
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more so than parents are aware of, and they have
to be hyper hyper vigilant of who their children are
associating with, especially online, because people will create personas online
to look like, you know, a peer at the same age,
when in fact they're not, you know, they're an adult.
It's a professional groomer, and they do this all day,
you know, where they're out looking for kids to show
vulnerabilities and then they extort and wear down there or
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gain the trust of these children to be able to
extort them. And not all trafficking victims are are you know,
these these or children come across the border or coming
from broken homes, or you know, have the general vulnerabilities
that we typically see. Supportant also mentioned the average for
somebody that gets into sex trafficking, the average age for
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the victim is around fourteen years old. So we're talking
about you know, I would go further, you know, in
terms of it just being a mental illness. Who's buying
a fourteen year old for sex? It is pure evil.
And with as a society, whatever we do things like
try to decriminalize prostitution laws, when we do things that
you know, you know that promote pornography, things like that,
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we are feeding as a society into this crisis and
human trafficking. Let there be no mistake about it. This
is one of the largest humanitarian issues of our lifetime,
and people are starting to understand it or starting to
acknowledge it.
Speaker 3 (57:41):
But it often is. People often wait.
Speaker 4 (57:45):
Until their victim themselves or their children are a victim
before they fully grasp what's going on. And let's share
with you a story that involves sextortion and involves all
these things, and it's not your normal victim.
Speaker 3 (57:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (57:58):
There's a lady who names Teresa, and she came from
an affluent family and her dad was an executive. They'd
moved every two years, and they moved to a suburb
outside of Detroit.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
And when they were there, she went to school. I
think she was fifteen. She didn't know anybody. It's already
awkward at fifteen years old. It's even more awkward when you.
Speaker 4 (58:14):
Don't know anyone. And a boy approached her that she
I believe had an interest in offered her a ride home,
and she accepted, and on the way home, he stopped
at his house. I gave her a soda to drink.
Speaker 3 (58:26):
It was drugged. She was drugged, and ultimately she was
sexually assaulted.
Speaker 4 (58:31):
The next day, when she went to school, he approached
her showed her pictures that apparently his cousin had taken.
He was hiding in the closet and said that if
you don't do what I'm about to ask you to do,
that this slipper was going to show these pictures and
ultimately have her dad lose her job. So for the
next two years, she was trafficked throughout the Detroit area.
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So when that text would come in in the middle
of the night, she knew what that meant. That man
sneaking out of her bedroom window, meeting this guy that
you want to high school with down the street in
his car, often without even shoes, and being trafficked around
the Detroit area. The only reason that exploitation ended, and
it was all just over some pictures, was because they
moved again for his job, because he moved every two years,
or moved every two years. So if that can happen
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to that girl who had didn't come from a broken home,
didn't come from poverty, didn't come from you know, the
parents trafficking them things like that, it can happen to anybody.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Final thoughts, Allie.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
Well, I just want to thank you guys for taking
on this subject. It's very tough and not many people
have the stomach or the heart to dive into it.
And not the heart, but it's just once you hear
some of the horrific things and some of the things
that are happening, it's hard to unhear it and unsee
what you've seen and what you know, and you know
you have to do something about it. I can't ignore
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it once you've heard about it, And so I just
want to start off by thanking you guys for taking
on this tough subject, for interviewing us and supporting our work,
because we without people following what we're doing and reading
the articles that we're putting out there, and honest journalists
that are putting it out there. There's not many of
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them that we work with, but the ones we work
with are phenomenal. They're willing to put the information out there, unfiltered, unbiased,
and get the information to the American people. We need
to know what's going on because we're funding this and
this incoming administration is going to have a lot of
work on their hands and they're going to need a
lot of support our local law enforcement offices, they're going
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to need a lot of support and awareness on the issue,
and us as American citizens, the first thing that we
do is become aware, and the second thing we do
is we make sure that our children are protected, and
then we start to support our local agencies in this
fight to push back against human trafficking as a whole.
Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
To our superheroes. We've been talking to doctor Jared Sadolski
and Alie Hopper who got that bill passed chasing groomers
in four states, and you can follow them at Sadolski
dot com. So it's s A d U L. S
k I dot com and we'll definitely have you back.
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I want to thank you both for joining Veronica Live
and Merry Christmas.
Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
It's very Christmas. Thank you for the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
God bless you both.
Welcome to Veronica Live. And I'm here with my wingman John,
and We've got two guests today that are doing huge
things for our world. I want to welcome doctor Jared
Sadolski and Ali Hopper and they're from Sadolski Enterprises and
they are human trafficking consultants and welcome both of you
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to Veronica Live.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Thank you for having us Veronica.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Okay, let's start with doctor Jared. How tell us your
background and how you got involved with this horrific subject
which we will get into.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Sure absolutely so.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I retired after twenty six years through the Department Online Security,
through the Coastguard, where I was involved in counter human trafficking,
counter drug trafficking. So it started for me from a
law enforcement perspective, but for the last five years I've
been working in consulting involving human trafficking and speaking to
different organizations, different governments and in Central South America as
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well as to organizations and governments here in the United
States when combating human trafficking and ultimately.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Doing this work. Ali and I partnered about a year.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Ago and that ultimately has led to a much different
level than where I was at when I was doing
it alone.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So Allie, tell us about you, your background and how
you got involved.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
So for me, it started with my moves to Florida.
When I got there, I got connected to some individuals
that were in the counter human trafficking space as far
as education and awareness community wide, and I spoke with
one of the leaders of that legislation and so with
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that connection, I was able to spearhead legislation in Florida
where an anti grooming bill was signed into law in
April of twenty four. Through that spearheading of that ledgelegislation,
I had met doctor Sidalski at one of our events
and he was speaking on counter trafficking and human trafficking
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and the efforts needed by government and law enforcement, and
it really caught my attention. Connected with him on on
the legislation to make sure that the bill had teethed
to it to be able to empower law enforcement to intervene.
And then after that that legislation was passed and signed,
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we ended up working together to further the counter trafficking effort.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well, and I was going to ask you about that too,
and it's anti grooming bill protects children from exploitation, So
I will get back to that. But doctor Jared, what
are the stats? You know, because John and I we've
talked about this subject. We've got you know, I've interviewed
Jacko Bunyan, He's done two of my shows, and he's saying,
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we see the number that there's three hundred and thirty
thousand children that are lost in America, but Jacko says
there's probably half a million. What are the stats that
Americans need to know about this human trafficking?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah, great question, So I want to make sure your
audience understands what that number represents. Okay, So there's been
over one hundred executive orders, well over one hundred in
the last four years that have created a pathway that
traffickers and cartels have exploited. So one of those policies
was doing away with the DNA testing to confirm that
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migrant children that are brought to the border are actually
with the families that are accompanying them. Also, doing way
with the DNA testing enables children to be brought to
the border by the cartels given in being given the
name and phone number who there to request to be
their sponsor, which in turn that's who they provide to
the federal government, which ultimately transfers that child to that
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sponsor without proper vetting. As a result, there have been
over five hundred thousand children that have come to the
border unaccompanied, have presented themselves along with the name and
phone number of who they are requesting to be their sponsor,
and five hundred thousands of those children have been sent
to unvetted sponsors. There was an Office of Inspector General
report that came out in September that said that over
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three hundred and twenty four thousand of those children are missing.
The government has no idea where they went. And that
makes sense because a lot of these children were sent
to people that since the cartels gave the name and
phone numbers of where these children are to request to
go to. They're controlled by the cartels. It's part of
the TC transnational criminal Organization network and we ally and
I see case after case after case of it, and
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so now that's really where where those numbers go. But
should say, yeah, so they're unaccounted for. These children are missing.
The context of the government doesn't know where they are
because they're unaccounted for. They're unable to locate and contact
these children. I spoke to a criminal investigator in Florida
who's tasked on checking on the well being of twenty
five of these shown he could only locate too. The
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other children either never arrived or the sponsor said strange
men came into the children. And part of alienized, part
of Alianized work is going into the prison and interviewing
such traffickers who This information isn't coming from us, It's
not coming from a textbook. It's coming from former and
current cartel members, traffickers that are incarcerated, that are telling us, Hey,
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this is what's happening, and this is why.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
So why do you think there's you know, to me,
it just seems that there's this I don't malaise or
disinterest or something in this subject. And you know you're
used to be I would used to be a member
of the Florida Republican Party Executive Committee, and I pushed
our national committee man Peter Fahman, to get a plank
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included in the Republican platform on anti slavery and human trafficking, which,
interesting enough, the Democrats refuse to put in their platform,
but we managed to get that in, you know, probably
twelve years ago, I think, but not a whole lot
has happened since then, and why do you think people
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are disconnected from this subject? There's no level of outrage,
it seems, well, did you want.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
To take bub.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I think that's an interesting question. I think that prior
to Trump being in office during his first term, not
many people heard about it. They weren't really aware that
it was even happening in our country, and so a
lot of people's first interaction or I guess knowledge about
it was when Trump started putting together human Trafficking task
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Force forces throughout and we're busting trafficking ranks throughout the country.
So the fact that he started talking about it at
that point in time helped guide the conversation in that way,
although it had been happening and many administrations were aware
of it, for the general public, I think that the
massive amount of censorship around the conversation and topic hasn't
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helped bring awareness to grassroots and just people in their
everyday lives, and even now we're finding issues with being
able to spread spread the message. It has helped with
with Elon taking xover so that we can more easily
communicate about this, but many times these these terms get
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flagged and we're not able to get the message out
in an effective way. And the media that the legacy media,
I should say, does not want to talk about it. Historically,
the more conservative media is willing to talk about it.
But we've reached out to both sides of the aisle, left,
right and different, and the only one that's really willing
to talk about it as far as more mainstream legacy
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media is more of the conservative platforms.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
But it's it's not just a national worldwide you know,
slavery and human trafficking exists throughout the world today. It's
happening right now, and people don't seem to get that.
It just it doesn't seem to register that slavery still exists.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
If I get out on to what Alis said, she's
absolutely correct. So part of our work as we go
around the country and we speak to audiences from the
West coast to the East coast and certainly up to
Connecticut to Texas, all over the country, and we have
yet to find an audience that was versed in what
human trafficking really is in their communities. And there's such
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a misunderstanding of the scope and this understanding that human
trafficking exists in all fifty states, and a lot of
the vast majority of sex trafficking victims are US citizens. However,
we have really compounded the number of sex traffic victims
in the United States because of what we're allowed to happen
at our border. So part of alan As research, we
spend a lot of time on the border. And we
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were to shelter back in February, and it was down
there and I was talking to the different migrants and
every single one of them had been exploited by the cartels.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Some were robbed, some.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Were kidnapped, taking to where they could have money sent
to via Western Union so that they could live. Some
of them saw people specially exploited on the route to
the United States. The saddest story was a mother who
refused to let her child out of her arms, and
when the staff asked why because she was safe in
this migrant shelter in the United States, she explained that
the cartel stole not only all of her belongings, but
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the other two children she started the voyage with because
she had no money for bribes. That led me wondering
why would the cartel want these children. Then I learned
that through what's called the Office of Refugee Resettlement under
the Biden Harris administration, it could be argued that it
is government sponsored, taxpayer funded child trafficking. The United States
acts as a pipeline for the cartels to bring these
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children to the border. Provide the name of who there
to request to be the sponsor, and then on our text,
our dime, those children are being sent to the sponsor
from the border, without betting what I'm meaningful vetting, and
without a meaningful fold through to make sure the child's okay.
They make three phone calls after the child's delivered to
the sponsor, and if no one answers, that's it. No
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one's checking on his children. When I testified through the Senate,
sitting next to me was the secretary of Florida's Department
of Children and Families is She testified that despite their requests,
the Office of Refugee or Settlement refuses to provide Department
of Children and Families with any information on these children
to enable them to go do well being checks. And
the reason they do that is because they are covering
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up the fact that their mishandling is leading to child trafficking.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Can I ask you a real, really quick follow up
on that. I agree with your part about about the
US government being complicit in this, but there's also the NGOs,
and the NGOs are largely religious organizations. I mean, do
they recognize what's going on or do they just turn
the blind eye because they're being funded by the government
and they're more interested in the larger refugee situation.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
How do you want to take that.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I would say it's a combination of both. I would
say that there are some good NGOs that get lumped
in with some of these larger NGOs that have been exposed.
There is one subtlest key is facing a federal lawsuit
because of the unaccompanied children in their care being sexually
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assaulted by staff. And so there are situations where NGOs
are either turning a blind eye or they are ignoring signs.
We interviewed an auditor that was tasked with auditing one
of these facilities and found numerous situations of concerning events
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that had happened, one of which being a staff A
member of staff that was standing on a table teaching
a room full of migrant girls between the ages of
thirteen to seventeen how to towerque and this auditor had
walked in on this, the staff member did not stop
his behavior, and when the auditor wrote up a report
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citing this example and other concerning things that this auditor
had found, the auditor was the one that was let go.
The guy was the staff was later let go, but
not sure what the circumstances of his of his termination
or separation were, but he ended up later getting a
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job with Disney.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
With who so Disney? Oh gosh, Oh my gosh. That
didn't come through on my line here. Okay, why why
did they stop the DNA testing? I mean, such common
sense and and I guess you know, because I agree
the Biden demonstrations they don't care, But how do you
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not care for for people in their most vulnerable state?
So why why did did they stop the d N
DNA and then talk about this Biden administration? I mean, ah,
I just yeah, I'm gonna get on my soapbox. Everyone.
Let's hope I don't fall off.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Jar.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Would you like to take the DNA testing?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (13:18):
So there's no there's no valid reason for them letting
the contract expire on the familial DNA testing. So when
we talked about DNA testing, we're talking about testing the
migrant compared to the sponsor. There is no reason. It
is pure evil what the Biden Harris administration has done.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
May Orcus.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
May Orcus came out recently making clements about knowing children
are being trafficked, but that's not in the purview of
Department of Homeland Security. He is pure evil, and so
is be Sarah. But Sarah is the person that runs
a officer vertguy settlement and.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So the.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
So.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
But to ask your question, how bad it is?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Ellie and I sat across the desk from a border
patrol agent and his with his lower lip quivering and tears,
he explained to us that he came across two adults
and a child. The child they claimed to be the people.
The adults claimed to be the child's parents. He suspected
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they weren't. There were indicators that they weren't related and
they did not know each other, which is very, very
common according to the cartels that we cartel incarcerated cartel
members that we interview. So this border patrol agent explains
that the child is injured. So the child's taken to
the hospital where the doctor discovers the child has been raped. However,
because of the Biden pairs administration and the removal of
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familial DNA testing. This border patrol agent was required, had
no other choice but they hand this child back to
the two adults that they are sexually exploiting the child
to send them on their way to the United States.
That's how broken the system is. And we early are
at served as consultants a total of ten times in
last year to committees on both the US Senate and
Congress side. No one can say that they don't know,
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because after that, you know, we do a ton of
media are messaging, you know, is reaching millions of people.
You can't say that you don't know. So I can
speak from personal experience. I wasn't aware of a lot
of this until recently in the last year or two,
and so as somebody that's a criminologist, and I wasn't
aware of that. The general public just there's a lot
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of misconception understanding. But Ali and I are seeing this
firsthand in terms of the trafficking of children. We could
give you case after case. If we're children have been
sent by the federal government to MS thirteen, to an
empty field, to a house that's sponsored forty five of
these children, those children are being trafficked.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Well, I guess our government is just completely evil, and
how does society not care? You know, because I don't
know how to fix it from behind a microphone, I
don't know how except by telling this story.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
I'm curious.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Is this part of the pedophile movement in the Democrat
at the Liberal Democrat Party? You know that obviously the
Biden administration accompliment has a bunch of those people, you know,
I really, we really I can't speak to that because
we're not you know, that's not the focus of our research.
The focus of our research is on the victims, where
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they're at, who's trafficking them, And a lot of what
we're finding in terms of who's trafficking them are gangs
that are affiliated with the Mexican cartels and also other
transnational criminal organizations at the United States. So that really
has been the focus of our research. But we were
just doing research recently on the border this past week,
and they came across a family, a family, a group
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of kids that were at the border came across the
legally from Mexico on a company. We're just there by
themselves with the phone number, a piece of paper and
named phone number of somebody that.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
They wanted to claim to be their sponsor. Eventually a
lady shows up from the border claims to be the
mother of these children. The problem is they're not the
same ethecicity. The children had Cambodian fastports. Well, the mother
was the Mexican national. Absolutely and unfortunately, like it's just
it's a constant thing that is occurring, so nobody, especially
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with the low morale of border patrol, these guys are
completely deflated in terms of morale. The suicide rate that
exists in border patrol is an issue, and I do
believe that both change in the day of reckoning. For
the corrupt government officials that have let this happen. It
could be argued whether it's complacence of your complicity. Not
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qualified to make that judgment, but I can tell you
that what has been allowed to happen is pure evil
because they know when it's happening these children, and they
continue to allow it.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
January twenty so when I was watching the testimony, you
guys mentioned Oregon harvesting and nobody really talks about that,
and you talked there's a I guess you know, they
were doing livings and somebody's eye and Uh, you know,
I'm sure kidneys talk about that because Americans are absolutely clueless.
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And you talked about that three. I guess the Livers
had people that from America that had paved for them.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, So when we were interviewing the incarcerated trafficker, he
was he was discussing with us that there's been a
major divide within the cartels. There is what would be
considered the Old Guard and the New Guard. And the
Old Guard operates very much within certain certain leadership structures
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and areas that they that they navigate within as far
as drug trafficking, arms trafficking, and even human trafficking. However,
the Old Guard has explicitly and specifically said that they
do not deal in child such they don't deal in
child trafficing. The New Guard is is this lawless group
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and again you're dealing you're discussing hotels, so air quote lawless.
The lawless group that has no has no rules, has
no boundaries, has no leadership structure that's meaningful in any
way or respect for any semblance of areas that that
they don't that they don't dabble in. So they don't,
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they don't, they don't hesitate to traffic children, they don't
hesitate to enter the organ trafficking space. So when we
were discussing this with this trafficker, he had mentioned how
lucrative the businesses for for traffickers that recruit other traffickers
to do this work. It's very high paying. And they
said there are buyers all over the world the livers
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were for. I guess you would say purchase orders from
American buyers, But do the American buyers know where the
organs are coming from? You know, we can't say that. However,
we do know that it is an operation that is
very lucrative. It's very tough when you are the cartel member.
Basically put it like this, if you've had a family
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member that was on an organ donation list and they
had to wait two years, but they only had two months.
That puts people in a place of desperation where they
seek out methods that they wouldn't normally seek out. So
this organ this organ harvesting process is really really nefarious
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and a lot of migrants get taken advantage of and
taken on their journey from where they're coming from to
the United States. A lot of them go missing and
people don't know where they are and they're unaccounted for,
and many times children run there being either sex traffic
or labor traffic. Is that organ harvesting component?
Speaker 3 (20:54):
It's interest correct.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
It's interesting because I've heard the Chinese have been involved
in something similar with the with the ugers, you know,
as far as the Oregon harvesting.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
And yeah, that's the only place I've heard is yeah,
the Weiers, that's the only group I've heard.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
See if I could add onto that, So sorry. So
another a separate trafficker that that Aliy and I interviewed, now,
he was He's an interesting guy.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
He was a Bartel affiliate.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
A gang member with the Southern California gang.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
He went to prison in California for murder.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
And he was a sex trafficker who used to work
in sex trafficking houses. So he was able to explain
to us exactly what it looks like in stash houses
that are used for the purposes of sex trafficking.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
And I'd be happy to share that.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
But one of the things that he said to one
of the things he said to Aliy and I that
that really stood out to us the most was he
described when he was leaving when he was being deported
after going to prison for murder in the United States.
Who was at the deportation depot in California, and he
was talking to another guy that was a trafficker. Except
this guy which his name was Turko, which is a
common criminal name in Columbia, which is where this guy
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is from. Turko explained that his specialization is the harvesting
of organs of children, and what he does is he
goes into migrant groups migrant camps, and he basically compels
the parents or the caregivers to.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Let the child go with him.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Under the guys if he's going to bring that child
to the United States and connect that child of the
family in the United States. And Turko explained that he
would go gain the trustees of these parents and caregivers,
They would give them the passports and identifications of the children,
tell the children to go with him, and he would
take them and fill whatever order he received for the
specific organ. The last organ that we're aware of that
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Turco harvested was the right eye of a twelve year
old boy for fifteen thousand dollars in Mexico.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
So are these do they do they kill the children
when they're done or the organ donor or is it
they just name them for.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Life, right.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
If it's a liver, then job. You know, the person
is not going to live. But I can tell you
how bad it is. The one thing that Aliy and I,
you know, his humanitarians and doing this work, you know,
really I think bothered us the most is that the
story of the exploitation that is occurring to these migrants
and route to the border is not being told. And
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Ali and I spoke to an individual that he was
from Central America. He was smuggled to the United States
within the last year. And we know we knew him.
We knew him whenever he we knew him from Central
America from our humanitarian work there. And when I talked
to him, he described that it was so horrifying taking
the migrant route to the United States that he was
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stepping him and his microgroup were stepping over the skeletal
remains of adults and children throughout the route, wondering if
they were murdered or died of starvation, because those were
two real threats that him and his group were experiencing.
And it just goes to show the level of you know,
there are hundreds of thousands of people missing in Mexico
that no one's looking for. If you're a migrant coming
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from Guatemala and you're speaking Mayan dialect, it's not English,
it's not Spanish, and you go missing in Mexico, there's
there's no one looking for you. So that's why the
organ harvesting is so profitable in Mexico is because the
cartels operate with complete immunity and they're able to harvest
these organs without repercussion. And another thing to that in
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that vein is an alienized research. There's a place called
the Darien Gap, which is a stretch between Colombia and Panama.
It's the only way to get to Central America from
South America via land. It's the only land connection. It
is completely cartel controlled. It is one of the most
horrifying places on Earth. And we have spoken to so
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many migrants that have been sexually exploited, have been robbed,
have seen people be murdered in this Darian Gap. So
part of our research this past week is we spoke
with an individual that explained that he came from a
country in the always two Venezuela through the Darien Gap,
and when he said Darien. It caught my attention, and
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I don't even know why I asked him. I just
kind of blurted it out. I said, were you or
your family assaulted or exploited in the Darien Gap? His
eyes immediately welled.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
With tears and he looked at his wife.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
And I couldn't ask him any more questions because he
didn't have to, he didn't have to describe in any detail.
I understood what happened to his wife there in the
Darien Gap, and that literally was part of our research.
We talked to this guy a week less than a
week ago. So you know, these are the things that
I really want the public to know, is that these
are human beings. These people are because we've allowed the
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open borders, we have allowed for the level of exploitation
of these people exponential levels. And Ali, could you just
share what we saw in Yakumba walking the Migro trails,
the couple of things to that.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
One of the things that I highlighted and my testimony
was the fact of laundering your identification in the sense
that you will you as a migrant, will travel with
certain documentation and then when you get to a certain point,
your identification will change hands, the cartels will help facilitate
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the printing of new documentation. What this does is not
only does it shed and wash out the country of
origin that you've had, the original name and any identifying,
meaningful identifying factors, but it also washes out your background.
So we talked to a border patrol agent, a former
border patrology and they literally said, if you came to
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the border border patrol where they were processing you, and
you had documentation that said my name is Mickey Mouse,
they literally will put that in their database. So a
lot of these people that enter the country, we don't
know their name, their real name, we don't know their age,
their true country of origin, if their documents are forged.
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And so they're entering our country, men, women, children, both
with clean backgrounds and more nefarious backgrounds, gang members, cartel members,
and they're coming into our country, into the interior, unvetted
and with no meaningful identifying as factors or documentation. But
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with the with the trails that we were discussing, there
are two paths along the border that we had ventured
through in California, along the Mexico border, the wall ended
and at one point we could literally stand in Mexico
in the US at the same time, you could have
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one foot on each side of the country, and so
there was no there's no meaningful wall in that area.
But when you walk further down, there were two paths
that the cartel used to transport migrants, and one of
them was the path of wealthier migrants that were able
to pay a higher fee, and there were very little signs,
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if any, of exploitation. But the other path was just
littered with signs of exploitation. And that's the path of
people that are either in debt to the cartels and
unable to pay, or they're poorer migrants, so again they're
going to be in debt and they're going to come
into the country with a debt to pay, and it's
littered with signs of exploitation. Women's quothing, undergarnments strewn throughout,
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hanging on bushes to serve as a warning sign if
you try to cross without paying, or cross with the
approval of the cartel, and if you don't pay, this
is what the outcomes. These are the consequences. So it's
really disheartening to see, and the American public has no
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clue that this is going off in their country.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
So one of my questions is who once these kids
come to America and they're missing. Now, I mean, and
we know they're being sexually exploited, is it Americans that
they're exploiting? I mean, who, I guess it's Americans that
are coming to these Are they coming to stash houses
to have sex with these children? And what's the extent
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of it. I just don't understand why this is happening
in the Biden administration. So, I mean, to let twenty
million people I think it's twenty million. Trump is said
twenty million into our country is just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
That's a great question, Veronica. I don't like Jared, you know,
at his take to it. But the American, the US
citizen is the highest buyer of this air quote commodity,
and I hate referring to it like that, but that
is how the cartel sees it. They see it as
a commodity, whether it's using this individual for sex or
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labor or drug packaging. The the US is the highest
fire of that commodity. And so whether we see situations
of sex trafficking, there are US buyers. Whether we see
labor trafficking situations where in the US, places like poultry
factories and warehouses have been busted with having underaged children
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and horrific work condition. So yeah, the US buyer is
complicit in.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
This, so frustrating. John, Go ahead, Jared, you're going to
add on to that.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Sure, So yeah, those are great point that Ali made.
So to answer the question of like why this is happening, one,
it is fueled by the demand.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Of US citizens.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
US citizens are fueling this demand that is being met
by the cartel at the expense of these women and children.
But here's exactly how it works. So let's focus on
sex trafficking of migrants. Now, again, the vast majority of
sex traffic the United States are US citizens near groom.
That's why we are advocating for the anti grooming bill
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in all fifty states right now. I think ally has
got passed to poor states and that's one of the
main focuses. But in terms of these children and women
that are coming from the border, this is aw work.
So they don't have the money for the transportation. So
the partels will embed coyotes within the migrant groups and
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their entire purpose is to identify who doesn't have the
money for unexpected delays, bribes, things of that nature. Then
they're immediately sold between forty six thousand dollars to the
neighboring traffickers that accompany the smugglers on the route. And
what ultimately happens is people are still brought to the border.
Once they're at the border, they are placed into the
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custard and control of the cartels and the gangs that
work with the cartels. In the first house, they're taken
to the first stash house, which is where one of
our sources used to work, is the bussing center. They're
they're photographed, a file is created of how much money
they must work off. There's basically a profile created that
is uploaded to the cloud. From there, they are sent
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to a second stash house. Well, the first stash house
is on the border. That second stash house is in
my community, it's in your community. It's in communities about
the United States, and they're very difficult to recognize. Law
enforcement is not two steps behind us. There are six
to eight steps behind this, and so is the prostitution
of these traffickers. There's just such a lack of knowledge
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of what trafficking actually looks like. These stash houses have
cameras all around them inside and outside. They have surveillance
cameras that extend all the way to the nearby intersections
so that they're able to see who is approaching this house.
So these victims are required to say in that second
stash house until their debt is paid, and then they're
taken to a third stash house, which is ultimately where
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they're given their property back and release to their final destination.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Yeah, it's interested in this scription because that almost it
almost fits up here in North Florida. You know, during
the summertime, we always have a worker shortage for all
of the different you know, water parks and whatever activities
are going on, restaurants and and you know, I guess
about six seven years ago, there was a scandal about
these European companies, uh you know, the former Soviet satellite countries.
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They were bringing these these teenage girls over and this
was all legal, you know, they all had you know,
worker permits and all that, and they were basically you know,
putting them in in a house and and they were
being controlled by by these people that were importing them
basically as slave labor almost you know, and it was
it was you know it's a known thing, and you know,
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the businesses are participating in it, the government's participating in it.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
And again there was.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
There was very little outrage on on on this legalized
form of trafficking.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
And to that point, I mean Jared had meant that
cartels operate with impunity.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
They really do.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
We saw a live border crossing with an adult on
one side of the border wall that had already crossed.
The other individual was on the other side waiting to
cross the use in the rope ladder, and they had
handed a child through the border wall panels. And we
saw two masked cartel members and they saw us with
our phones. I mean we were within six feet of them,
and for them to not be afraid, for them to
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flash a peace sign at us as we're recording, it
just shows that there's no yeah, there's no fears. They
know that they wait for border patrol to pull up
because they want to be caught by border patrol. This
is you know, obviously prior to this incoming administration. I
think there's been a little change up in the process.
That's then they're a little bit more nervous about being
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caught by border patrol. But but you know, to take
it to this current administration. They knew that they wanted
to be taken in by border patrol, processed through you know,
border patrol, and have their court dates set to four
to seven years in the future, and disappear into the
interior of our country and then they operate with pure impunity.
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But I do think that Jared, you should mention and
this smuggler phone that that we had found. I think
that that would add a valuable component to the conversation. Yeah,
so you say it one more time, the phone of
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the smugglers.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Oh yes, so okay.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
So part of the work that we're doing down there
is we have a partner down there. His name's Corey
got Arau and he works in the border in California
and he is a partner that would go down and we.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Work with together, shoulder to shoulder.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
And he was on the border prior to our our last, second,
last visit and he picked up a cell phone on
the border and he was able to get into the
fund because the security code is one two, three four.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
And it was a Chinese.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Smuggler trafficker that came from Luhan, China and he had
I think it was over one hundred and eighty telegram chats,
and in those were all discussions about how to purchase
a child for sex, how to get into San Diego
County through the border where there's no law, how to
you know, traffic victims, how to locate victims to be trafficked.
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Everything that is in the prim wonderworld that while smuggling
trafficking is in this guy's phone. So, but one of
the most concerning things was there was also discussions about
the US nuclear posture. So considering that this came from
the Chinese national and there's discussions about the US, yeah,
the US nucletar posture, it just shows that there's such
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a lack of control. And part of the problem is
that in the federal government and there's been HSI agents
that you have said, Hey, we have to wait in
the next administration before we're able to do anything meaningful,
and that's just unacceptable. And part of you know, what
I think really has to happen if we want to
talk solutions is you know, these guys in the May
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York is the Sarah from HHS.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
They need to be held accountable and that's.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
One of the goals, you know, certainly of working with
these committees of both the Congress Assentdate side that Ali
and I have is let's just not forget what happened
in the past. Let's hold these people legally accountable. And
also let's there's a process to that inspect your General's
office that they can be barred from future government service
because after all, the Democrats are going to get controlled
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of the House, Senate or President again, and if it's
the presidency, the likelihood of these sand people coming back
and destroying more lives is very high. Therefore, steps need
to really be put into place instead of just forgetting
what happened the last four years and the criminality of
the last four years, putting in place implementing accountability so
it doesn't happen in the future.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
So I know we're limited on time, So John, I
want to go to a rapid fire because we have
lots of questions answer. So my first question is won't
it be better with Trump because he said he's going
to send the military in there and destroy these cartels?
Or is that you all have been to the borders?
Is that too outrageous that thought, especially we haven't talked
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about fentanyl and.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Even closing the border.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Do you want to take other on me too.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
So I think there's a combination of things that are
going on here. The cartel is very much aware of
this incoming administration. They are very terrified of not only
being declared a terrorist organization whereby their assets can be seized,
but they also are terrified with other appointments and selections
that have been made Tom Holman, the selections for D
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and I and Homeland Security, and then you have RFK Junior,
and not many people talk about the fact that RFK
is going to be fearheading HHS, yes, overseas the Office
of Refugee Resettlement, which oversees the Unaccompanied Children program. So
there's a lot of good eyes on what's going to
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be going on with this incoming administration. They are very
much aware of the problem. Their first priority is going
to be to secure of the border, to stop the
belief they're going to focus on dangerous criminals in the country.
As far as mass deportations, that's going to be their
first priority. As far as as far as the deportations go,
it is going to focus on the terrorists, the criminals,
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the gang members, the cartel members that are not supposed
to be here, and that has the cartels terrified.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
And then have you guys, I know you go to
DC a lot, you've testified, are there do you have
people legislators that are on your team and are there
any Democrats on your team in that group?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Question? Yeah, yeah, question good a question.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
So, so to answer that question, there are lawmakers to
make care. So there are a law makers that care.
Senator Grassley, you know his heart is truly in this
Senator uh, Congressman Higgins, Congressman Mills. These are these are
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lawmakers that we've we've talked with, that we work with
that are just waiting for the opportunity to bring about
not only the accountability but also meaningful change to protect
these children. So you know, we are willing to work
with Republican, Democrat, independent. It really can't be a part
of an issue. It's about children. It's about the rape
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of children. So you know, we are really out of
it about working with the left in terms of creating
legislation to make meaningful change.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
And you know, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
It's a difficult question when I'm trying to uh carefully answered,
But there are people we have come across, people that
that genuinely care and We've come across at least one
Democratic congressman that sees it, that is sympathetic, and you
know is is at least accept is at least open
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to ideas to address the problem.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Okay, well that makes me feel good. Go ahead, John.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
So, so if you talked to any of the or
interviewed any of the victims of these these uh, these crimes,
I'm just curious if there's there doesn't seem to be
a feedback mechanism back to the source, you know, back
to these originating countries that says, here's what's going to
happen to you if you do this? You know, is
that am I? Am I missing something in that loop?
Speaker 4 (41:43):
No, We've talked many, many victims, even just this past week,
many at least fifty in the last week, and so
you know it, you hit the nail on the head
in terms of getting the message back to the home
country of Hey, if you come here through the cartel network,
what's going to happen to you? The problem is they
are so desperate that Alec could you know, explain, because
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she's seeing this firsthand. We're finding suitcases of these women
coming across with STD medication that they're bringing in preparation
for this harrowing journey to the border.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Horrible, Wow, horrible.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
So are you guys scared of doing this business because
you're talking to all these people? How often do you
go to the border? And then how how are you funded?
Who's funding you? Do you know to do this important work?
Speaker 3 (42:39):
So ell you want to take are or you may
take it.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I think that that's better, say to free.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
So this is dangerous business.
Speaker 4 (42:48):
And when I was down on the border this past week,
I had somebody across the border, a criminal across the border.
I was looking at him with binoculars and as he
turned had a rifle and he pointed the rifle directly
at my head. I could see the reflection in the
scope of his rifle. When Ali and I were on
the border dealing with when we walked up to get
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the picture of the guy giving the peace sign, somebody
fired around from behind him, and I think it was
a warning shot, trying to chase us out of there.
This is dangerous business, but it is one that has
to be done right, you know. I don't know, and
I hope there's people out there, but I don't know
of anyone that's going into the prison at Central America
in interviewing Convention tex tracts and.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
How do you get that access? Yes, oh my.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Gosh, well, yep, I could speak to that because it
took five years in the making, right, so five years
ago and I can't say the name of the country,
but I went to Central American country to provide training
to their government on counter human trafficking, and part of
that process, I was given a tour of their prison.
I was so taken back by what I saw at
this prison in that it has one of the lowest
reoffending rates in the world, despite being a poor prison
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in a poor country. And the reason why is because
the entire person and management, the entire prison operating system
is based on a Christian based rehabilitation model that works.
And I saw it firsthand and I just was so
drawn to it that the last five years I've been
leeting teams for my church and from around the country
to provide training to the prison staff, which is the
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only training that the prison staff receives because they have
no budget for training. Well, that is extended to providing
training to the inmates life scost training. Ali and I
were down there recently providing anger management training. I was
providing training on how to be a father reincarcerated, and
so Ali and I, you know, we do this work.
So when we go down there and we show that
these inmates that you know, the mistakes of their past
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don't define them, but what they do with the faith
based rehabilitation that's been given to them here in this
prison does, and what they're going to do with it
in the future, we gain their trust. And because some
of them are in there that are rehabilitated that regret
what they've done, we tell them you can't do anything
about the victims you exploited in the past, but you
can protect you can protect future victims by talking to
and I and my do they It's unbelievable the things
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that they have told us, so much so that the
first time that we did this, about a year and
a half ago, I wrote an article and published it
on some of the information that I testified to in
the number of twenty twenty three four Congress. How I
ended up in front of Congress is somebody from the
Committee on Homeland Security reached out and said, hey, we
read this article. We didn't know any of this. Where
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are you getting this information? We set up a meeting.
I explained to them, you know how you do this
work as a prison fostered these relationships with five years,
and that's ultimately what led to the first invitation to
testify before the Congress. And so you know that there's
a lot of the work we do, but it's not
just limited to Central America. Alan and I are going
to to Bogatah, Columbia soon to be a guest of
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Interpol and the National Police of Columbia who has a
very strong counter human trafficking operation that should be adopted
in the United States and will be advocated for that soon.
So that's how we are getting this information, trusted results.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
So it is a well rounded approach. It's talking to
the victims, talking to you victims turned survivors, it's talking
to border patrol agents, it's talking to two former and
current cartel members. So we're trying to get a full
rounded picture, well rounded picture. But we won't we won't
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deny the fact that not everyone is able to be rehabilitated.
We did get to ask that question on a different
show and they asked, you know, what's the likelihood of
some of these some of these individuals that have partaken
in trafficking, what is their likelihood of being rehabilitated. And
there is certain circumstances and many times where where these
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traffickers will not cannot be rehabilitated. So you know, there
are circumstances where we have encounter traffickers where where you
can tell that they there are no there's no soul,
there's no there's nobody behind the eyes anymore. And there
was a woman that we had met that was trafficking
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her own daughter, and that was one of those cases
where I'd met her. She was in a woman's only
section of the prison, so Jared didn't go into that area,
but it was that that look that you know that
there was no remorse, You know that there's no breaking through.
So there are circumstances where many times where the trafficker
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you're not going to get through. But the ones that
we are able to get through and garner information and
develop a relationship with, if they are able to be rehabilitated,
it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
So Mike, my next question is how do you sleep
at night because you're like on the front, you know,
you're in warfare, and and does God you mentioned your church,
Jared I guess is God part of your mission between
both of you that's helping you drive this train?
Speaker 3 (47:57):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
So I want to make sure that I answer your
previous question as well. But to answer your question, so,
our faith is very important to us. You know that
that's really the guiding principle of all of this is God.
Speaker 5 (48:08):
You know.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
I think we've been given.
Speaker 4 (48:10):
This opportunity to to go out there, to go into
the prison, to go and speak to people around America's
and to create this awareness that can combat human trafficking,
and it is it really is a faith based component there.
There is a faith based component to what we do.
But you would you had asked earlier about how are
we funded. We are self funded.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
We have we have.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
Paid, uh, you know for these research trips. You know,
this comes out of our pockets. And you know, we
are seeing such a meaningful change and such an awareness
nationally in the work that we're doing. It's worth it,
you know, it's it's it's worth you know, spending the
money and getting down there and you know, doing doing
this work to create to create this awareness. Now with
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that said, we're sooner going to be opening up a nonprofit.
Speaker 1 (49:00):
I was going to ask.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
The next question. So that will be done in a
matter of weeks.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
And you know, because there have been some that have
reached out that say, hey, you know, we're seeing the difference.
We live in Michigan, we live in Colorado, we live wherever.
You know, what can we do to get involved? So
what I would say that if anybody wants to know,
support the work we're doing, and that can look like
a lot of different things. You know, that could be
sponsoring a research trip back to the prison, or sponsoring
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a research trip back to the border where we we
report back our findings. You know what occurred, you know
why this you know why this trip was important, and
what the outcomes of this trip are going to be.
Those are things that help us out tremendously. So, you know,
from the time being, somebody that wishes to learn more
of how they can support us, they can reach out
to our website. You know, it's www dot Sadoski s
(49:50):
A d U L s k I s A d
U L s k I dot com, so w w
W Sadoski dot com and we can start that discussion.
Then once the nonprofit is developed, you know, then ultimately
the website's going to be moved over there, and the
work ultimly, alsimbly be moved over there as well.
Speaker 1 (50:07):
And is that how you sleep at night? Because you
are doing your impacting the world. Alli hatt't got those
bills passed and people are reaching back.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
I think when we come home from these trips, it
takes it takes a lot out of you. I mean bronically,
you know from serving in the military. It's just coming
back home after being in such a challenging situation. And
this situation can't you know, and doesn't compare to our
armed services and military members. But to that, to that
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same vein coming back to life as usual is really
hard to transition back after you've been seeing children being
exploited and coming face to face of victims, and people
back home are none the wiser to what's going on.
But we have that faith and we both are parents,
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and so we look at our children and we know
that our children are the age of those children at
the border, the children that are being exploited, and so
we fight for you know, our children's future, but children
everywhere because they deserve to have someone fighting for them
and fighting for their stories and fighting to get the
word out there. So that's what this is the hill
that we've decided to to stand on and to fight
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for and and it is dangerous, but it's a journey
that needs to be done and it's a calling that
we feel compelled to to spearheads beautiful.
Speaker 5 (51:37):
So we we've been talking mainly about a supply side,
you know issue here with with all these cartels providing
providing these these children and stuff. On the demand side,
where is the demand? I mean it is just like
you know, the obviously the internet porno industry is just
off off the charts as far as that that depravity goes.
(51:59):
But know is this is this you know, just groups
all over the country. Is it migrant groups who think
you know this?
Speaker 3 (52:07):
This?
Speaker 5 (52:08):
You know this? This is normalization you know to have
sex with children? I mean where where is this going?
And is there any way to stop the demand side
of this equation to where where the cartels don't have
any customers?
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Jared does a very beautiful presentation. I mean it's a
it's a horrifying subject, but the presentation itself is so
educational on sextortion and that talks about the up and
rising crime that is that is presenting to our to
our teenagers and I think that the reason why it's
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so important and so impactful is a lot of times
these these kids that get sextorted online end up as
human trafficking victims when they come in contact with the
person on the other side of the internet. But where
you were asking about the buyers, it's toss be because
if the buyers are from the United States, there is
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a mental health component to it. There is a major
issue with the sexualization of children at an early age.
What's acceptable, what's not acceptable. When you get to dealing
with migrants coming in from a different country and they're
not forced to work through the process of gaining their
legal citizenship, they're coming in with cultural norms and societal
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norms of their home country and they're not beholden to
the cultural and societal norms of our country. And so
there are there are countries where it is okay to
be with younger children and where trafficking has been a
generational crime and you know, it's not dealt with and
in their home countries and it's not focused on So
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it's a combination of if you're with a genre Jane,
that is that is a buyer from the United States
or is from a different country.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
So what are we missing between both of you? I mean,
I'm just heartbroken. I've had guests on talking this subject
and it's just it makes me so angry. I'm fluent
in Spanish. I'd love to help you in any way.
I'm not going to a jail, but I'm happy to
host you back and help lot you know, get you
guys launched however with that nonprofit. So anything you need,
(54:34):
please let me know. But whathe are we missing? This
is just it saddens me. I think, you know, part
of it's our society. Even in America, we just don't
have God as not part of the equation. And I
think it starts there.
Speaker 3 (54:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (54:51):
So yeah, So what we're missing is the fact that
people think it's political that you know, we talked about
in the trafficking. People you know, just don't want to
accept it, just don't want to believe it. But people
need to open their eyes because it could be their child,
and it happens all the time, especially through the grooming
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on the internet gaming platforms sins of that nature. So
Alli had mentioned sextortion, which according to the FBI, is
one of the fastest growing crimes online against children or
is actually the fastest growing online crime towards children, and
it's happening all across the country, and it's causing children
to take their lives because what happens is, child, you'll
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go on to the internet or meet somebody, somebody shows
interest in the child, they developed this online relationship with them,
and the person compels them, talks them into basically coercing
them to send sexually explicit images. And now they're basically
compelled to whatever this person wants them to do. You know,
whether it's engaged sex trafficking, send additional sexually explicit pictures,
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if your child, If our children have access to the internet,
they are being targeted. If they have access to the
internet and social media, our children are being targeted. And
I know because at a younger age my children adults now,
but when they were younger, one of my daughters was
the target of grooming online by a sex predator. So
you know, these things happen. These things happen, you know,
(56:19):
more so than parents are aware of, and they have
to be hyper hyper vigilant of who their children are
associating with, especially online, because people will create personas online
to look like, you know, a peer at the same age,
when in fact they're not, you know, they're an adult.
It's a professional groomer, and they do this all day,
you know, where they're out looking for kids to show
vulnerabilities and then they extort and wear down there or
(56:41):
gain the trust of these children to be able to
extort them. And not all trafficking victims are are you know,
these these or children come across the border or coming
from broken homes, or you know, have the general vulnerabilities
that we typically see. Supportant also mentioned the average for
somebody that gets into sex trafficking, the average age for
(57:02):
the victim is around fourteen years old. So we're talking
about you know, I would go further, you know, in
terms of it just being a mental illness. Who's buying
a fourteen year old for sex? It is pure evil.
And with as a society, whatever we do things like
try to decriminalize prostitution laws, when we do things that
you know, you know that promote pornography, things like that,
(57:24):
we are feeding as a society into this crisis and
human trafficking. Let there be no mistake about it. This
is one of the largest humanitarian issues of our lifetime,
and people are starting to understand it or starting to
acknowledge it.
Speaker 3 (57:41):
But it often is. People often wait.
Speaker 4 (57:45):
Until their victim themselves or their children are a victim
before they fully grasp what's going on. And let's share
with you a story that involves sextortion and involves all
these things, and it's not your normal victim.
Speaker 3 (57:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (57:58):
There's a lady who names Teresa, and she came from
an affluent family and her dad was an executive. They'd
moved every two years, and they moved to a suburb
outside of Detroit.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
And when they were there, she went to school. I
think she was fifteen. She didn't know anybody. It's already
awkward at fifteen years old. It's even more awkward when you.
Speaker 4 (58:14):
Don't know anyone. And a boy approached her that she
I believe had an interest in offered her a ride home,
and she accepted, and on the way home, he stopped
at his house. I gave her a soda to drink.
Speaker 3 (58:26):
It was drugged. She was drugged, and ultimately she was
sexually assaulted.
Speaker 4 (58:31):
The next day, when she went to school, he approached
her showed her pictures that apparently his cousin had taken.
He was hiding in the closet and said that if
you don't do what I'm about to ask you to do,
that this slipper was going to show these pictures and
ultimately have her dad lose her job. So for the
next two years, she was trafficked throughout the Detroit area.
(58:52):
So when that text would come in in the middle
of the night, she knew what that meant. That man
sneaking out of her bedroom window, meeting this guy that
you want to high school with down the street in
his car, often without even shoes, and being trafficked around
the Detroit area. The only reason that exploitation ended, and
it was all just over some pictures, was because they
moved again for his job, because he moved every two years,
or moved every two years. So if that can happen
(59:16):
to that girl who had didn't come from a broken home,
didn't come from poverty, didn't come from you know, the
parents trafficking them things like that, it can happen to anybody.
Speaker 1 (59:27):
Final thoughts, Allie.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
Well, I just want to thank you guys for taking
on this subject. It's very tough and not many people
have the stomach or the heart to dive into it.
And not the heart, but it's just once you hear
some of the horrific things and some of the things
that are happening, it's hard to unhear it and unsee
what you've seen and what you know, and you know
you have to do something about it. I can't ignore
(59:53):
it once you've heard about it, And so I just
want to start off by thanking you guys for taking
on this tough subject, for interviewing us and supporting our work,
because we without people following what we're doing and reading
the articles that we're putting out there, and honest journalists
that are putting it out there. There's not many of
(01:00:14):
them that we work with, but the ones we work
with are phenomenal. They're willing to put the information out there, unfiltered, unbiased,
and get the information to the American people. We need
to know what's going on because we're funding this and
this incoming administration is going to have a lot of
work on their hands and they're going to need a
lot of support our local law enforcement offices, they're going
(01:00:37):
to need a lot of support and awareness on the issue,
and us as American citizens, the first thing that we
do is become aware, and the second thing we do
is we make sure that our children are protected, and
then we start to support our local agencies in this
fight to push back against human trafficking as a whole.
Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
To our superheroes. We've been talking to doctor Jared Sadolski
and Alie Hopper who got that bill passed chasing groomers
in four states, and you can follow them at Sadolski
dot com. So it's s A d U L. S
k I dot com and we'll definitely have you back.
(01:01:20):
I want to thank you both for joining Veronica Live
and Merry Christmas.
Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
It's very Christmas. Thank you for the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
God bless you both.
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