September 15, 2025 • 37 mins
Assassination Fallout: A Nation Divided, A People Rising - Retired Lieutenant Colonel Darin Gaub joined Veronica for a special Veronica LIVE Unplugged discussion on the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Together, they unpacked the latest facts in the case, reflected on the hatred fueling this tragic loss, and highlighted the unexpected beauty and unity that has emerged in its wake. The conversation also focused on the most pressing question of all: how do we move forward as a people and as a nation in the face of such darkness?
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to Ronica Live Unplugged. And I had to have
my friend, retired black Hawk pilot, Lieutenant Colonel Darren gob
You've seen him all over Fox News, Newsmax, everywhere, you know, Darren,
I think the world right now, it's we've woken up
and it's definitely a new day with what has happened
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with Charlie Kirk being assassinated.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
We're all in shock, you know.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
And I wrote an op ed a couple of nights
ago because you know, he was fighting for freedom, family, faith, God,
doing the right thing, a conservative, you know, influencer. He
wasn't even an elected person, and then he was snuffed
out like he was like he was a deer, you know,
because unfortunately I saw when he was killed. And I'm
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still in a state of shock here, and you know,
luckily we've got the killer in custody now, but we're
finding out a lot of things. So where were you
you and how are you feeling? Because my heart still aches.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well, I guess first thing I would say it is
we've have a suspect, and I don't think he was
acting alone. So that's my first suspicion is that this
is not the lone wolf style actor. You know, we've
seen this with the Butler Pennsylvania and others, where you know,
it seems like there's someone who's set up to take
the falls. More to follow. We'll see how that plays out.
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But I think it's a very quick to say he's
an individual actor. You know, I doubt it. We'll see.
On second of all, I was I was here doing
my usual Freedom Caucus work and our group blew up
and said, hey, this happened. And I saw the video
myself right away, but I tried not to weigh in
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too much because I'd seen that far too often in
combat zones that I didn't want to same thing. I
didn't know to be true, but it was fairly obvious
at the point, but a horrible thing to see. Charlie
was clearly an influencer, specifically in the conservative youth college
Aide style movement that was where he sat, and of
course people of all ages would listen whenever they could,
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so his influence went beyond the youth. And it actually
does matter when we say our prayers are with their family,
because there is no greater power that we can bring
upon their family than God himself. So it's you know,
those who are on the other side of the whether
you call it an eyl or a thought process, and
when we say that we're bringing that, we're providing our
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thoughts in our prayers and things like that. Charlie Kirk's family,
we think we are doing and we know we are
doing the most significant thing that anybody can do. And
then wherever we can follow that up with hands on action,
because that's what he would want, you know. And I
have this suspicion that him and Erica had these conversations
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about his risk, about what could happen, and that he's
specifically probably talked to her about these kind of this
kind of a thing being certainly a potential. I've had
it with my wife and said, you know, God calls
me home and I've made even a small difference in
some way, then that's it. And I certainly hope that
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the mantra is very very true that today I am
Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Very true.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well, you know, I feel too that something has gone down.
I don't think he did this alone, because a story
came out today talking about the arm queers of Salt
Lake City, and there was a bunch of messaging back
and forth saying that something big was going to happen
with Charlie Kirk there so and then it just came
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out before we came on. There's surveillance footage of the killer,
you know, a couple hours before the incident, casing a neighborhood.
So I just I feel like it's more than one person.
This is bigger than one person, you know. And my question, too, Darren,
is how do these these students?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
You know?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And he came from a conservative family that seemed like
they had their act together and then all of a
sudden he goes off to college and one semester he
falls off the deep end, you know, when the parents
obviously were pro Trump and pro God.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So you know, how did we get here?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I mean, this is these are the things that have
been bothering me for days. Not to mention that there's
a widow out there Erica with two little children now
that don't have a father. And you and I served
in the military. I've lost friends in the military, you know,
and that's a different role. You don't expect somebody just
talking words and a conservative message to be shot and killed.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, sadly, I mean, and Charlie knew this it's when
as the organization grew and he was influencing so many
people in these dens of evil, which is what you're
sending our kids off to when they go to college.
And for the most part, I mean, unless they're well drounded,
they can very much walk out of the radicalized. But
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I have no doubt in my mind that he knew
exactly what he was getting into going into those locations,
getting surrounded by larger and larger crowns. And I could
go into all the problems I saw with how his
security was done and how they operated at these venues,
but that's for a different discussion. This is someone who
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was a freedom fighter in his own way. He did
it his way by engaging with people peacefully and debating
them in civil discourse the way it should be done,
and he did it in frankly, what has become one
of the most dangerous environments on the earth. You and I,
of course, you know many people who go overseas and
fighting locations around the world or even just deploy to them,
whether there's a war there or not. We know those
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are dangerous. But the way these radicals operate on campuses
and near campuses is just as dangerous and let's be honest,
that's the reality of what we're dealing with. And we've
seen it on social media, magnified in their response to this.
And I love seeing people getting fired for I guess
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magnifying evil and celebrating evil and murder. And when they
come back and say, well, you're just supporting cancel culture. No,
what we're doing is we're demanding accountability. We're exposing you
to your bosses, whether they be government or private industry,
and say, okay, is this what you want in your
employees or in government case, I don't want to be
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paying these people through my taxes. Magnifying murder. That's terrible.
It should never happen. Cancel culture was something entirely different
than this. I call this accountability culture, and I want
to see it for a.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Very long I love that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And that's the thing. You know, life's about choices, and
that's the thing. I'm just so in shock because today
I've seen it. Was a brain surgeon from University of Miami.
She's been fired. There's a nurse also in a children's hospital.
She's been fired because they were all glorifying this, not
to mention all of the all of the professors out
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there that have come forward that are happy about this, you.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Know, So where do we go from here?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Now?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I mean, on a happy note, thirty two thousand high
schools and colleges have reached out to Turning Point for
new chapters.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
So I feel like, you know, his light is bright.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And then here in my town last night they had
a gathering and several hundred people showed up, and then
down the road Pensacle. I shared it on my ex
Dar and you know it was somebody did a nice
little painting of Charlie Kirk. And then guess what, somebody
before their their little service together memorial came and tried
to destroy the artwork, you know. And then I saw
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Ted Cruz today, Centator Cruz. Somebody wrote f Charlie Kirk
and he was out there painting it in Houston. So
we're still so divided, and I feel like these people,
you know, they're like, oh, it's you know, it's not
just a left issue. I just feel like it's a
God issue too there, because what human would wish this
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upon any human? Even if you don't believe what I believe,
I would never wish death upon you. And now two
children with no father, and a beautiful wife that is
so strong, which we can talk about her as well,
that doesn't have a husband.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Now, yeah, first of all, yes, correctly identified. You're in
the thick of a spiritual war with clear physical aspects
to it played out in the world that we see
only so many people. I understand and recognize the fact
that it is a spiritual war first and foremost, and
will remain that way. My advice to everybody has been
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the same, regardless because since really since the January twenty
twenty assumption of the office the anointed Joe Biden, and
through his entire administration and frankly during the election the
period leading up to when he actually took office, everything
has been about violence on one side trying to instigate
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a response from the other in order to create a
situation where government now has an excuse to attempt to
crush that so called rebellion in their mind, which would
be you and I standing up for right over wrong,
That would be the rebellion in their mind. The best
thing we can continue to do is when we see
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these people acting out like they are manifestly evil, whether
in person or on social media, is turn the spotlight
on it, keep that action based in sunlight, and let
it be seen by as many people as possible, because
they don't realize that what they're doing is actually harming
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their efforts, because we're just going to show the evil
doesn't mean we hate the person. We hate what they do,
and we're going to show that and keep showing it
as much as we can. If there are people like
you and I, we need to remain calm, cool, collected
in prayer in churches and work in these various venues
and remind ourselves that we are the peaceful ones. Our
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job is to stand against the evil, to call out
the evil, and to battle the evil in our own way,
but not to turn to arms and become the violent
that they seek us they seek for us to turn into,
because then they have exactly what they're actually aiming for.
They're not looking for one hundred million new Charlie Kirks.
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They're looking for one hundred million more of whatever the
flavor of radical is of the day, who will then
stand up and continue to do what they did in
Utah against major figures like a Charlie Kirk and minor
figures gus who continue to fight for faith, family, and
freedom just as avidly, but not with as big as
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of a following. But if we have a voice to
keep it calm.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So do you feel you know, like I I can't
say that I'm shocked by this, Darren, because we've had
two attempts at you know, trying to kill President Trump.
You know, looking at Charlie Kirk, he was a force
to be reckoned with because he rallied people before we
came on today. You know, I was texting you Vice
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President JD Vance was hosting Charlie's show, and he had
all kinds of Charlie knew everybody. That's That's the one
thing I've seen the last few days is he literally
texted everybody and was friends with everybody, and and everybody
saw that he was a straight arrow obviously, and JD
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Vance said today he goes he wouldn't have won and
been selected as like the VP or Trump one without
the efforts of this warrior. So obviously Charlie was shaking
it up. But I feel like, you know, is it
over now? Because Stephen Miller came on and said they're
going to be trying to find all these radical groups
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out there.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I don't feel it's over.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Because you know, I'm a little conservative in this big pond,
and we've seen how many conservatives have had the cops
called on their house at three in the morning, and
luckily nobody's been killed yet because most of us were
all armed. You know, if somebody comes to my house
at three in the morning, there's going to be a problem.
So this has been a fight more than just an
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assassination of Charlie. I'm feeling, Darren.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, I think this is Actually I'm personally shocked that
there hasn't been more of this. Frankly, and of course
not that we want more, but it seems like that's
their goal, they being whoever sort of obvious, I guess
in ideology here, I'm not surprised at all that had happened. Again,
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I'm saddened, disappointed, but I think I think if we
step back and ask ourselves, you know, what would he
want in this situation? What does Erica and her family want?
The last thing in the world that they would want
is for this kind of a movement to die based
on the this happening to one person. They would actually
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want this to be magnified and to the point where
there is a Charlie Kirk on every single campus in
this country. I guarantee it, if you asked him, that's
exactly what they would. And that's what she said when
she stood up in front of the cameras within a
few days of Charlie getting killed, was that this is
not over. This is going to magnify and spread even
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more like wildfire. And that's exactly what we as people
need to continue to do. For those who've never been involved,
that they get involved now and continue to do it.
For those of us who've been engaged in this kind
of fight for many years, big or small, keep going,
keep going, peacefully, spread the news of the gospel, spread
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the truth, Debate honestly and civilly. Love everybody, but if necessary,
call out that evil and hate the actions that they
may take. But if they do turn from those ways
and actually seek forgiveness for things they've done, actually we
also need to be staying there, willing to give the
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grace out that we also that we don't deserve. And
that is a christ Like attitude, and that's the way
we should approach things. It's hard to do. Believe me.
I'm the first person who wants to walk around the
streets with a baseball bat and find some people to bash.
But that does no good for the message of the
gospel and the truth that we truly need to spread.
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Nor is it the response I think that their family
would want either. That's not how he was influential and
effective in the first place. It was not through violence,
but through open civil debate and discussion, and that's what
you need to do as well.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Well.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I do love, you know, the Yankees to attribute a
ton of NFL teams to attributes for him. We've seen
it across the Pond, in the UK, all over the world.
So I feel like his light has grown actually, you know,
but how do we need to stop this, Darren? Because
I definitely think, especially the last couple of days, all
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of these leftist professors out there, there's definitely a problem
with teachers and professors.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Let's just start there.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
In the school system we've got We've got to root
this out, you know. Is it possible because we've seen
all these influencers. There was a fitness fanatic sh had
five million followers who supported Charlie's to pray for him,
and now half of her followers hate her.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Even Phil Mickelson just came out before we came on now,
and that's the problem is fifty percent. We're gonna hate
what you're saying, but we've got to fix this because
I think it's more than a Trump derangement syndrome. Now,
when you snuff somebody out based on words, he wasn't
carrying any weapons. It was all words and everything he said.
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I agreed with what.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
He said, most dangerous weapons on earth. Though truth spread
through large groups of people. That's always going to be
the most dangerous weapon on Earth. And that's what we
need to remember. And that's what we need to engage with.
As well as far as the college is concern, all
I can tell you is to look to the example
of the South Carolina Freedom Caucus and the effort they
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led to bring Clemson to heal and fire. Some of
their professors who are very much stood up and said,
we're okay with this violence, and we'd like more. We
have to be willing to do that kind of thing
and bring coalition members along and supporters of any kind.
You say this is something we will not tolerate. Clemson
major University, they were going to get ready to call
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for a special session in South Carolina or remove their funding.
They folded today and fired the professors. We need that
to happen across campuses nationwide. And it's not that we
want a singular ideology in a campus that teaches a
single frame of mind. That's not what we're doing. The
whole point is that we want the truth and honesty
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on campus. Who can present two sides to an argument
and let the winner stand or let people make up
their own mind, teach them how to fink, not what
to think. And if we do that across this nation,
the logical conclusion would be socialism fails everywhere. Violence never
solves anything these kinds of conclusions, so we have to
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keep pushing. This is the reverse lawng march that the
communist ideology has always used. You've got to unwind it.
It's not going to be this month or this year.
It's got to happen over time when we have to
keep moving forward regardless. Patience is not really the conservative way.
We want things fixed too. We want them fixed now.
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That's not going to happen in most of these cases.
We've got to change things the best we can. And
I would say to answer your initial question is how
do we do this? Besides the examples I've provided here
is one heart and one mind at a time through
truth and light and education millions.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I think that was Charlie too, because he always wanted
the hard questions. You know, he was willing to answer
the hard questions. But we have so much work cut out. First, Doren,
because even like Mayor Bass wouldn't lower her flags out
in California when it was directed by the president, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
And then X is definitely we see it.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
There was a boy that won a race again in
Oregon this weekend, attract race, you know, a boy and
a girl's race. And when are we going to step up?
Because you know, I think Biden tried to showcase that
being transgender was normal when he had all of those
people at the White House, and one even like flashed
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us with her fake breasts.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
So there's definitely some some mental illness here too, because
I don't think, you know, I feel for these people,
but I don't accept trans people as fully being normal.
There's something not clicking right, you know. And I looked
at the paper today. Naomi Watts her son Kai that
is a girl now ideas as a girl is, you know,
was walking another fashion model runway because it's you know,
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model week, Fashion Week again in New York, and everybody
keeps trying to push that this is all acceptable to us.
And what have we seen lately all of these shooters this,
I mean, this one was he was dating a trans person.
But there's always some sort of sort of correlation now
amongst this this hinge group.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, sure is. I guess it takes a long time
to make these kind of people. And what I mean
by these kind of people with someone who has been
so radicalised they can't see anything else book that. So
you're looking at a child who's brought up in a
government school that says all of these things are normal,
and at the same time they're telling them they need
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to act out on all of their emotions. And the
more and more you do that, you're going to end
up with someone who's a quasi adult who's going to
continue to act out on emotions and think that all
these things are normal. And that's just, unfortunately going to
be the truth for a while, because the real truth is,
of course that some of these people are radicalized and
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that becomes their ideology and there's no actual mental illness.
That's just leftism. Socialism, communism or whatever magnified through this
particular tribe of people. Now there are those who clearly
are mentally unstable and have mental illnesses either case both
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those you end up with adults who have been drug
or who have been literally drugged to the point where
their mind is just completely been destroyed by different psychotropics.
And you can name this, releve a long list of
all the things that they're put on add to that mix.
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I mean, you're making a witches brew here, because you know,
these antipsychotics, the violent rhetoric, everything that that's out there
with the message of Hollywood, with a message of colleges
saying act out on your emotions. Your emotions tell you
to be violent. We're going to tell you to be violent.
And now are and are these Should these people be
shocked when those people do exactly what they've been training
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them to do for an entire lifetime, of course not.
And you see it on social media all the time
with how they respond to people. You know, putting me
on the corner of a college campus with a microphone
answering those questions, asking those questions of students, and the
first thing you get is somebody up on your face
with all kinds of colored hair and various piercings yelling
at you about you know nothing except for the question
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you asked, we shouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So true.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I was in a store this weekend and there was
a teenager that was dressed like a furry And I
live here in the Panhandle where it's God guns country
and sweet.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Tea, and this is here. So I think some parents
need to step up.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
And I think part of it is they are missing,
you know, God in the equation.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I think that's part of it. Darren.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
But like Ben Shapiro now has come out saying that,
you know, another conservative influence, so that he's not going
to do any outdoor events.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
But this has been going on a long time on
college campuses, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I know my one of my children with Don Junior,
when he was doing his book tour at University of Florida.
They were waiting in line and they were heckled that
they almost didn't stay because people were harassing them to
go see a conservative. And I don't feel like we
as conservatives act this way and we're not going around
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killing people. And I'm just worried that Charlie's the first
of many. Knock on wood, this doesn't happen. We've got
to have great security. But it's definitely concerning. And you know,
you and I talk this message. I've been doing it
for five years now. It's a little scary, especially when
you get hate from these people and half the time
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we don't know who they are.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
On the other end, you don't. And I'm the resident
manager for a private security company here where I live,
and I've gotten more calls no surprise, because of people
that are just unhinged, and people are concerned about the
threat that these kind of folks magnify across many spectrums
of society. I don't necessarily think that not doing outdoor
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events is the answer, because that just means they win, unfortunately,
So at some point you have to say, you know what,
I'm going to double down. I'm going to do more
of them outdoors, and I'm going to have larger crowds.
But we come from a background that says, you know,
if someone comes after me and targets me, then so
be it. I know where I'm going regardless of when
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that day comes. So I think that's one of the
conservative mentalities that we need to remember is that every
time we take a step back because of a threat,
we've given them a victory anyways, and so frankly we
need to step forward and not worry about it. It
doesn't mean I don't have something on my hip most all.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
The time, always be packing.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
That's going to be my line of clothing when I
come out with my line. Well, one thing that's happened
to today is cash. Buttel and Dan Bongino are really
trying to be out front with what's gone down, how
they have evidence, you know, how there was a note,
how there's DNA.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Of course we know from the FBI what was written
on the bullets, you know, so has the FBI and
DJ and Pambondi as well. Are they overstepping now because
I don't want everything out on the table, you know,
because having worked these kind of things, you know for years,
I work for generals, and when you have a crash,
there comes a point where you don't need to be
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talking about it at every moment we're investigating it. Are
you a little concerned, Darren, because I've been a little
worried that we're providing too much information to the public,
trying to make everybody happy.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, I'm concerned, and it's not because I don't think
they're deliberately going through the process of trying to say
what can we expose and what can't we expose. I
think in some cases it's probably a little bit too
wordy to expose some of these things because it's going
to fuel some of the fire in people that may
make them go their own direction and cause some you know,
maybe error conclusions on what's actually happening. We know what's
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involved in this with the whole transvestite movement. It's there,
But the question is is that the movement that was
used to achieve the greater objective of somebody else or
some other country. So if those things are out there,
you know, given what Cash Betel, what damage you know,
has done in their background, I have to trust for
now that they're attempting to do the right thing. But
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there's always a little bit of a you know, a
niche in the back of my head going, you know, caution,
because some of this stuff may be planted to intentionally
draw people to make conclusions, even though that may not
be cash as in the Van's intention themselves. This is
why I believe this is a bigger conspiracy, and we
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have to make sure, just like with Butler, in with
Marl Lago and other events, that we don't think we
have the whole picture too early in this and are
looking at only specific people potentially missing the bigger picture.
I don't think they're doing that, but the message in
the media needs to be, you know, more open, I
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guess you could say, and willing to say. I don't
think this is it, but it's very easy to find
planted evidence. I don't know whether it is or not.
But whatever is put in front of you is often
like putting steak in front of a dog. It's very
easy to grab what you see first and go for
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it and ignore ring around you. That's kind of where
I'm sitting right now. Is what else has gone around
the gun itself, the ammunition that was engraved, the relationships
of people who was talking, what different groups were potentially
involved in organizing this on a larger scale, to the
campus from maybe even nationally or even overseas.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I'm with you there.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I'm with you because I still feel like we don't
have all the answers from Butler. I mean, how did
that kid another young and nerd like he pulled like
the great one of the greatest, you know, almost assassinations
off by himself.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I saw so many answers from that, Darren.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
So yeah, there's a list of names to include mar
A Lago on the golf course. That's like, what happened
to these people? Why has everything suddenly disappeared so quickly? Okay,
maybe this person's that did the shooting is a lackey inexpendable.
That's very likely. In some of these cases, we have
to account for that and how they act, what they're doing,
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and who they're going and talking to. I have a
lot of questions about this, you know, being from Montana
the way I was raised, a two hundred yards shot
with an average hunting rifle that wasn't even properly assembled.
You know, there's questions about those kinds of things. Did
he even have it? Was he trained? Would somebody give
it to him? And what is this stuff? And what
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conclusions does it actually leads you towards. I think in
some cases we may be assuming too much into it.
In other cases, you know, you have to run on
what you've got and what I do love about. In
some aspects of social media and a lot of different
tools that are at the hands of everybodybody who has
a phone, in the computer and in the internet. Is
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you know, we don't let up. We ask questions and
there's some stuff that's unreasonable out there, of course, but
we've got to ask the questions and look at things
and just not be spoon fed things through any media source.
We should be critical and digging into everything harder, but
also be critical when you get fed something that you know,
o wise with something you might believe too. That's that's
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what discipline is.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
So do you feel an average hunter could like this
kid shoot that at like one shot? I mean it
was a one shot. Wonder is that surprising to you
coming from the hunting world.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
No, not for the people I'm around now this person.
That's where I'm questioning things, is what's their background? That
kind of thing when you look at the rifle, it's
an old mouser. If you look at how the scope
is mounted on the rifle, and nobody would do that
that way if they knew what they were doing. The
turrets on the end of the scope wouldn't be touching
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the mounting rings. These kinds of little things stick out,
and so what it all leads to is did he
even take the thing to arrange and even know how
to shoot it? What was he aiming at from that distance?
And was this, in their perspective, just sheer luck because
they didn't weren't even aiming there in the first place.
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I mean, was he aiming center mass or something the
center mass of the chest? And that's just what happened
because they didn't know how to shoot a gun in
the first place. There are some things that lead to
different conclusions in this case. But Ah, I was in
the infantry in the army, have done other things outside
the army. I grew up with guns. For a good
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hunting rifle to hit a target at two hundred yards,
that's almost in Montana, that's like graduating into middle school.
It's not. It doesn't surprise me that that's possible. It's
clearly easy unless you have no background, no training, in
a poorly equipped and manufactured and assembled rifle with the
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pieces that are put on it. In that case, I
start wondering if it is purely a lucky shot and
an expendable person, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Which it could be.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
All right, Well, back to God, because you and I
are very faithful people. We're trying you know, So what
is something so horrific like this, you know, mean to
the world, because you know, I've worked when one of
my friends was killed, you know, and what's the family
that's left behind, and you know, it's just it's so awful.
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And my heart has been aching for the children because
you know, children love to have both of their parents intact,
and you know, and then of course you always have
the naysayers. Well, if God loved everybody, who wouldn't have
allowed this to happen. So what is the God message here, Darren,
because you are you know, minister pastor. And what do
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we tell people?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
We tell people that the existence of evil is due
to man's pursuit of evil and has nothing to do
with God. God created us. God created this planet and
everything in it, and he made it good, as he
said in the Book of Genesis. But if there is
evil in this world, it is because of the choices
that we make in pursuit of sinful desires. And God
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didn't make us like that. That's executive. That's what we
chose to do in the end, and the only reason
why anybody can even stand before any group of people
at all, or even an individual and say there is
such a thing as good and evil is because God exists.
He is a fact of his creation. And for us
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to be able to stand back and say that something
was good and something was evil is because God created
us all with a conscience, and with that conscience we're
supposed to be able to tell the difference measured against
God's standard and not ours, because the way humanity works
is we will turn evil to good and good to
evil and think that we are one hundred percent correct
because we've adworn that God made it completely different. So
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when you see the things that happen in this world
that are evil, don't turn away from God. Get closer
to him, because then you too will know better, more
and quickly what is the difference between good and evil
and who is your actual protector? And more importantly, come
to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and know that
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no matter what happens in your life on earth, that
you've got an eternal home in heaven, because that's really
the only question that matters.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Well, and that's what Charlie Kirk was saying. He wanted
to be remembered for his faith, his courage and faith.
So Darren, behind you is your book Veritas Vincent. Why
do people need to read your book?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
It's on Amazon.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
People need to read my book because it drives them
towards the Bible and drives them towards God. But how
I do that is a little different. You can read
about geopolitics and warfare and diplomacy and economics, and one
article and the next one you can read about the
Romans Road in the Bible and how to come to salvation,
and you can just find yourself in multiple different topics.
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There's eighty three or so different essays in the book,
from leadership to aviation, military and all the above. You
won't get bored. That's why you need to read it.
But in the end, like all things, if it takes
you through a journey that drives you towards God, then
mission accomplished. That's why you need to read it. By itself,
it's just a book, but as a arrow that points
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to God's word, that's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
So, Darren, have we missed anything in our Charlie Kirk discussion.
I think in the long run, I've seen some beauty.
The last few days. People are going to church, they're
picking up the Bible, you know, the new chapters that
are going to be an offshoot of this, you know,
because gen Z has definitely been awakened by it. Anything
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that we've missed today, Darren.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I would say, don't let the fact that a national
figure had this happened to him and ignore the fact,
I should say, don't ignore the fact that there are
thousands more of us out there doing this in different scales,
and you may be targeted as well. That is ultimately
their goal is to remove the voice of freedom and
liberty and decency across this country. So know that when
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you go out your front door, if you're part of
that crowd, the crowd that we sit here in that
you are, you also are a target and act appropriately.
The second thing being you know, you are your You
are your own best security. Don't rely on the police,
you know, don't go out there run train. But as
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we've as I have personally witnessed scene and had been
exposed to, people across this world have realized their governments
are feeling them, and they have to take things on
there own in some cases, and they're going out in
forming neighborhood watches and community patrols and things like that.
These are all healthy, but make sure you know what
you're doing before you do it. Don't make yourself an
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easy target. And in the end, though, don't worry about
your life. If you know God, he already knows when
you're when you're coming home.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Well, I want to thank God. I've been speaking with.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Retiredly tender Colonel Darren gob and we've been talking about
Charlie Kirk and a special Veronica Alive unplugged and Darren,
I want to thank you for joining me and we
want to send our of course hearts and prayers and
God's grace onto Erica and Charlie's two beautiful children so
that you know the upcoming days, months, years, that they
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will feel His presence and know that God is with
them as well.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
So thank you for joining Veronicalive.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Thanks right,
Welcome to Ronica Live Unplugged. And I had to have
my friend, retired black Hawk pilot, Lieutenant Colonel Darren gob
You've seen him all over Fox News, Newsmax, everywhere, you know, Darren,
I think the world right now, it's we've woken up
and it's definitely a new day with what has happened
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with Charlie Kirk being assassinated.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
We're all in shock, you know.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
And I wrote an op ed a couple of nights
ago because you know, he was fighting for freedom, family, faith, God,
doing the right thing, a conservative, you know, influencer. He
wasn't even an elected person, and then he was snuffed
out like he was like he was a deer, you know,
because unfortunately I saw when he was killed. And I'm
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still in a state of shock here, and you know,
luckily we've got the killer in custody now, but we're
finding out a lot of things. So where were you
you and how are you feeling? Because my heart still aches.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Well, I guess first thing I would say it is
we've have a suspect, and I don't think he was
acting alone. So that's my first suspicion is that this
is not the lone wolf style actor. You know, we've
seen this with the Butler Pennsylvania and others, where you know,
it seems like there's someone who's set up to take
the falls. More to follow. We'll see how that plays out.
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But I think it's a very quick to say he's
an individual actor. You know, I doubt it. We'll see.
On second of all, I was I was here doing
my usual Freedom Caucus work and our group blew up
and said, hey, this happened. And I saw the video
myself right away, but I tried not to weigh in
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too much because I'd seen that far too often in
combat zones that I didn't want to same thing. I
didn't know to be true, but it was fairly obvious
at the point, but a horrible thing to see. Charlie
was clearly an influencer, specifically in the conservative youth college
Aide style movement that was where he sat, and of
course people of all ages would listen whenever they could,
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so his influence went beyond the youth. And it actually
does matter when we say our prayers are with their family,
because there is no greater power that we can bring
upon their family than God himself. So it's you know,
those who are on the other side of the whether
you call it an eyl or a thought process, and
when we say that we're bringing that, we're providing our
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thoughts in our prayers and things like that. Charlie Kirk's family,
we think we are doing and we know we are
doing the most significant thing that anybody can do. And
then wherever we can follow that up with hands on action,
because that's what he would want, you know. And I
have this suspicion that him and Erica had these conversations
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about his risk, about what could happen, and that he's
specifically probably talked to her about these kind of this
kind of a thing being certainly a potential. I've had
it with my wife and said, you know, God calls
me home and I've made even a small difference in
some way, then that's it. And I certainly hope that
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the mantra is very very true that today I am
Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Very true.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well, you know, I feel too that something has gone down.
I don't think he did this alone, because a story
came out today talking about the arm queers of Salt
Lake City, and there was a bunch of messaging back
and forth saying that something big was going to happen
with Charlie Kirk there so and then it just came
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out before we came on. There's surveillance footage of the killer,
you know, a couple hours before the incident, casing a neighborhood.
So I just I feel like it's more than one person.
This is bigger than one person, you know. And my question, too, Darren,
is how do these these students?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
You know?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
And he came from a conservative family that seemed like
they had their act together and then all of a
sudden he goes off to college and one semester he
falls off the deep end, you know, when the parents
obviously were pro Trump and pro God.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
So you know, how did we get here?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I mean, this is these are the things that have
been bothering me for days. Not to mention that there's
a widow out there Erica with two little children now
that don't have a father. And you and I served
in the military. I've lost friends in the military, you know,
and that's a different role. You don't expect somebody just
talking words and a conservative message to be shot and killed.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Yeah, sadly, I mean, and Charlie knew this it's when
as the organization grew and he was influencing so many
people in these dens of evil, which is what you're
sending our kids off to when they go to college.
And for the most part, I mean, unless they're well drounded,
they can very much walk out of the radicalized. But
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I have no doubt in my mind that he knew
exactly what he was getting into going into those locations,
getting surrounded by larger and larger crowns. And I could
go into all the problems I saw with how his
security was done and how they operated at these venues,
but that's for a different discussion. This is someone who
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was a freedom fighter in his own way. He did
it his way by engaging with people peacefully and debating
them in civil discourse the way it should be done,
and he did it in frankly, what has become one
of the most dangerous environments on the earth. You and I,
of course, you know many people who go overseas and
fighting locations around the world or even just deploy to them,
whether there's a war there or not. We know those
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are dangerous. But the way these radicals operate on campuses
and near campuses is just as dangerous and let's be honest,
that's the reality of what we're dealing with. And we've
seen it on social media, magnified in their response to this.
And I love seeing people getting fired for I guess
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magnifying evil and celebrating evil and murder. And when they
come back and say, well, you're just supporting cancel culture. No,
what we're doing is we're demanding accountability. We're exposing you
to your bosses, whether they be government or private industry,
and say, okay, is this what you want in your
employees or in government case, I don't want to be
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paying these people through my taxes. Magnifying murder. That's terrible.
It should never happen. Cancel culture was something entirely different
than this. I call this accountability culture, and I want
to see it for a.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Very long I love that.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
And that's the thing. You know, life's about choices, and
that's the thing. I'm just so in shock because today
I've seen it. Was a brain surgeon from University of Miami.
She's been fired. There's a nurse also in a children's hospital.
She's been fired because they were all glorifying this, not
to mention all of the all of the professors out
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there that have come forward that are happy about this, you.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Know, So where do we go from here?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Now?
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I mean, on a happy note, thirty two thousand high
schools and colleges have reached out to Turning Point for
new chapters.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
So I feel like, you know, his light is bright.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And then here in my town last night they had
a gathering and several hundred people showed up, and then
down the road Pensacle. I shared it on my ex
Dar and you know it was somebody did a nice
little painting of Charlie Kirk. And then guess what, somebody
before their their little service together memorial came and tried
to destroy the artwork, you know. And then I saw
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Ted Cruz today, Centator Cruz. Somebody wrote f Charlie Kirk
and he was out there painting it in Houston. So
we're still so divided, and I feel like these people,
you know, they're like, oh, it's you know, it's not
just a left issue. I just feel like it's a
God issue too there, because what human would wish this
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upon any human? Even if you don't believe what I believe,
I would never wish death upon you. And now two
children with no father, and a beautiful wife that is
so strong, which we can talk about her as well,
that doesn't have a husband.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Now, yeah, first of all, yes, correctly identified. You're in
the thick of a spiritual war with clear physical aspects
to it played out in the world that we see
only so many people. I understand and recognize the fact
that it is a spiritual war first and foremost, and
will remain that way. My advice to everybody has been
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the same, regardless because since really since the January twenty
twenty assumption of the office the anointed Joe Biden, and
through his entire administration and frankly during the election the
period leading up to when he actually took office, everything
has been about violence on one side trying to instigate
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a response from the other in order to create a
situation where government now has an excuse to attempt to
crush that so called rebellion in their mind, which would
be you and I standing up for right over wrong,
That would be the rebellion in their mind. The best
thing we can continue to do is when we see
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these people acting out like they are manifestly evil, whether
in person or on social media, is turn the spotlight
on it, keep that action based in sunlight, and let
it be seen by as many people as possible, because
they don't realize that what they're doing is actually harming
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their efforts, because we're just going to show the evil
doesn't mean we hate the person. We hate what they do,
and we're going to show that and keep showing it
as much as we can. If there are people like
you and I, we need to remain calm, cool, collected
in prayer in churches and work in these various venues
and remind ourselves that we are the peaceful ones. Our
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job is to stand against the evil, to call out
the evil, and to battle the evil in our own way,
but not to turn to arms and become the violent
that they seek us they seek for us to turn into,
because then they have exactly what they're actually aiming for.
They're not looking for one hundred million new Charlie Kirks.
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They're looking for one hundred million more of whatever the
flavor of radical is of the day, who will then
stand up and continue to do what they did in
Utah against major figures like a Charlie Kirk and minor
figures gus who continue to fight for faith, family, and
freedom just as avidly, but not with as big as
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of a following. But if we have a voice to
keep it calm.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
So do you feel you know, like I I can't
say that I'm shocked by this, Darren, because we've had
two attempts at you know, trying to kill President Trump.
You know, looking at Charlie Kirk, he was a force
to be reckoned with because he rallied people before we
came on today. You know, I was texting you Vice
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President JD Vance was hosting Charlie's show, and he had
all kinds of Charlie knew everybody. That's That's the one
thing I've seen the last few days is he literally
texted everybody and was friends with everybody, and and everybody
saw that he was a straight arrow obviously, and JD
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Vance said today he goes he wouldn't have won and
been selected as like the VP or Trump one without
the efforts of this warrior. So obviously Charlie was shaking
it up. But I feel like, you know, is it
over now? Because Stephen Miller came on and said they're
going to be trying to find all these radical groups
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out there.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I don't feel it's over.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Because you know, I'm a little conservative in this big pond,
and we've seen how many conservatives have had the cops
called on their house at three in the morning, and
luckily nobody's been killed yet because most of us were
all armed. You know, if somebody comes to my house
at three in the morning, there's going to be a problem.
So this has been a fight more than just an
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assassination of Charlie. I'm feeling, Darren.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, I think this is Actually I'm personally shocked that
there hasn't been more of this. Frankly, and of course
not that we want more, but it seems like that's
their goal, they being whoever sort of obvious, I guess
in ideology here, I'm not surprised at all that had happened. Again,
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I'm saddened, disappointed, but I think I think if we
step back and ask ourselves, you know, what would he
want in this situation? What does Erica and her family want?
The last thing in the world that they would want
is for this kind of a movement to die based
on the this happening to one person. They would actually
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want this to be magnified and to the point where
there is a Charlie Kirk on every single campus in
this country. I guarantee it, if you asked him, that's
exactly what they would. And that's what she said when
she stood up in front of the cameras within a
few days of Charlie getting killed, was that this is
not over. This is going to magnify and spread even
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more like wildfire. And that's exactly what we as people
need to continue to do. For those who've never been involved,
that they get involved now and continue to do it.
For those of us who've been engaged in this kind
of fight for many years, big or small, keep going,
keep going, peacefully, spread the news of the gospel, spread
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the truth, Debate honestly and civilly. Love everybody, but if necessary,
call out that evil and hate the actions that they
may take. But if they do turn from those ways
and actually seek forgiveness for things they've done, actually we
also need to be staying there, willing to give the
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grace out that we also that we don't deserve. And
that is a christ Like attitude, and that's the way
we should approach things. It's hard to do. Believe me.
I'm the first person who wants to walk around the
streets with a baseball bat and find some people to bash.
But that does no good for the message of the
gospel and the truth that we truly need to spread.
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Nor is it the response I think that their family
would want either. That's not how he was influential and
effective in the first place. It was not through violence,
but through open civil debate and discussion, and that's what
you need to do as well.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Well.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I do love, you know, the Yankees to attribute a
ton of NFL teams to attributes for him. We've seen
it across the Pond, in the UK, all over the world.
So I feel like his light has grown actually, you know,
but how do we need to stop this, Darren? Because
I definitely think, especially the last couple of days, all
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of these leftist professors out there, there's definitely a problem
with teachers and professors.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Let's just start there.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
In the school system we've got We've got to root
this out, you know. Is it possible because we've seen
all these influencers. There was a fitness fanatic sh had
five million followers who supported Charlie's to pray for him,
and now half of her followers hate her.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Even Phil Mickelson just came out before we came on now,
and that's the problem is fifty percent. We're gonna hate
what you're saying, but we've got to fix this because
I think it's more than a Trump derangement syndrome. Now,
when you snuff somebody out based on words, he wasn't
carrying any weapons. It was all words and everything he said.
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I agreed with what.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
He said, most dangerous weapons on earth. Though truth spread
through large groups of people. That's always going to be
the most dangerous weapon on Earth. And that's what we
need to remember. And that's what we need to engage with.
As well as far as the college is concern, all
I can tell you is to look to the example
of the South Carolina Freedom Caucus and the effort they
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led to bring Clemson to heal and fire. Some of
their professors who are very much stood up and said,
we're okay with this violence, and we'd like more. We
have to be willing to do that kind of thing
and bring coalition members along and supporters of any kind.
You say this is something we will not tolerate. Clemson
major University, they were going to get ready to call
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for a special session in South Carolina or remove their funding.
They folded today and fired the professors. We need that
to happen across campuses nationwide. And it's not that we
want a singular ideology in a campus that teaches a
single frame of mind. That's not what we're doing. The
whole point is that we want the truth and honesty
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on campus. Who can present two sides to an argument
and let the winner stand or let people make up
their own mind, teach them how to fink, not what
to think. And if we do that across this nation,
the logical conclusion would be socialism fails everywhere. Violence never
solves anything these kinds of conclusions, so we have to
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keep pushing. This is the reverse lawng march that the
communist ideology has always used. You've got to unwind it.
It's not going to be this month or this year.
It's got to happen over time when we have to
keep moving forward regardless. Patience is not really the conservative way.
We want things fixed too. We want them fixed now.
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That's not going to happen in most of these cases.
We've got to change things the best we can. And
I would say to answer your initial question is how
do we do this? Besides the examples I've provided here
is one heart and one mind at a time through
truth and light and education millions.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I think that was Charlie too, because he always wanted
the hard questions. You know, he was willing to answer
the hard questions. But we have so much work cut out. First, Doren,
because even like Mayor Bass wouldn't lower her flags out
in California when it was directed by the president, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
And then X is definitely we see it.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
There was a boy that won a race again in
Oregon this weekend, attract race, you know, a boy and
a girl's race. And when are we going to step up?
Because you know, I think Biden tried to showcase that
being transgender was normal when he had all of those
people at the White House, and one even like flashed
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us with her fake breasts.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
So there's definitely some some mental illness here too, because
I don't think, you know, I feel for these people,
but I don't accept trans people as fully being normal.
There's something not clicking right, you know. And I looked
at the paper today. Naomi Watts her son Kai that
is a girl now ideas as a girl is, you know,
was walking another fashion model runway because it's you know,
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model week, Fashion Week again in New York, and everybody
keeps trying to push that this is all acceptable to us.
And what have we seen lately all of these shooters this,
I mean, this one was he was dating a trans person.
But there's always some sort of sort of correlation now
amongst this this hinge group.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, sure is. I guess it takes a long time
to make these kind of people. And what I mean
by these kind of people with someone who has been
so radicalised they can't see anything else book that. So
you're looking at a child who's brought up in a
government school that says all of these things are normal,
and at the same time they're telling them they need
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to act out on all of their emotions. And the
more and more you do that, you're going to end
up with someone who's a quasi adult who's going to
continue to act out on emotions and think that all
these things are normal. And that's just, unfortunately going to
be the truth for a while, because the real truth is,
of course that some of these people are radicalized and
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that becomes their ideology and there's no actual mental illness.
That's just leftism. Socialism, communism or whatever magnified through this
particular tribe of people. Now there are those who clearly
are mentally unstable and have mental illnesses either case both
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those you end up with adults who have been drug
or who have been literally drugged to the point where
their mind is just completely been destroyed by different psychotropics.
And you can name this, releve a long list of
all the things that they're put on add to that mix.
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I mean, you're making a witches brew here, because you know,
these antipsychotics, the violent rhetoric, everything that that's out there
with the message of Hollywood, with a message of colleges
saying act out on your emotions. Your emotions tell you
to be violent. We're going to tell you to be violent.
And now are and are these Should these people be
shocked when those people do exactly what they've been training
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them to do for an entire lifetime, of course not.
And you see it on social media all the time
with how they respond to people. You know, putting me
on the corner of a college campus with a microphone
answering those questions, asking those questions of students, and the
first thing you get is somebody up on your face
with all kinds of colored hair and various piercings yelling
at you about you know nothing except for the question
(21:52):
you asked, we shouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
So true.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
I was in a store this weekend and there was
a teenager that was dressed like a furry And I
live here in the Panhandle where it's God guns country
and sweet.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Tea, and this is here. So I think some parents
need to step up.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
And I think part of it is they are missing,
you know, God in the equation.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I think that's part of it. Darren.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
But like Ben Shapiro now has come out saying that,
you know, another conservative influence, so that he's not going
to do any outdoor events.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
But this has been going on a long time on
college campuses, you know.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I know my one of my children with Don Junior,
when he was doing his book tour at University of Florida.
They were waiting in line and they were heckled that
they almost didn't stay because people were harassing them to
go see a conservative. And I don't feel like we
as conservatives act this way and we're not going around
(22:52):
killing people. And I'm just worried that Charlie's the first
of many. Knock on wood, this doesn't happen. We've got
to have great security. But it's definitely concerning. And you know,
you and I talk this message. I've been doing it
for five years now. It's a little scary, especially when
you get hate from these people and half the time
(23:13):
we don't know who they are.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
On the other end, you don't. And I'm the resident
manager for a private security company here where I live,
and I've gotten more calls no surprise, because of people
that are just unhinged, and people are concerned about the
threat that these kind of folks magnify across many spectrums
of society. I don't necessarily think that not doing outdoor
(23:41):
events is the answer, because that just means they win, unfortunately,
So at some point you have to say, you know what,
I'm going to double down. I'm going to do more
of them outdoors, and I'm going to have larger crowds.
But we come from a background that says, you know,
if someone comes after me and targets me, then so
be it. I know where I'm going regardless of when
(24:04):
that day comes. So I think that's one of the
conservative mentalities that we need to remember is that every
time we take a step back because of a threat,
we've given them a victory anyways, and so frankly we
need to step forward and not worry about it. It
doesn't mean I don't have something on my hip most all.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
The time, always be packing.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
That's going to be my line of clothing when I
come out with my line. Well, one thing that's happened
to today is cash. Buttel and Dan Bongino are really
trying to be out front with what's gone down, how
they have evidence, you know, how there was a note,
how there's DNA.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Of course we know from the FBI what was written
on the bullets, you know, so has the FBI and
DJ and Pambondi as well. Are they overstepping now because
I don't want everything out on the table, you know,
because having worked these kind of things, you know for years,
I work for generals, and when you have a crash,
there comes a point where you don't need to be
(25:08):
talking about it at every moment we're investigating it. Are
you a little concerned, Darren, because I've been a little
worried that we're providing too much information to the public,
trying to make everybody happy.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, I'm concerned, and it's not because I don't think
they're deliberately going through the process of trying to say
what can we expose and what can't we expose. I
think in some cases it's probably a little bit too
wordy to expose some of these things because it's going
to fuel some of the fire in people that may
make them go their own direction and cause some you know,
maybe error conclusions on what's actually happening. We know what's
(25:45):
involved in this with the whole transvestite movement. It's there,
But the question is is that the movement that was
used to achieve the greater objective of somebody else or
some other country. So if those things are out there,
you know, given what Cash Betel, what damage you know,
has done in their background, I have to trust for
now that they're attempting to do the right thing. But
(26:08):
there's always a little bit of a you know, a
niche in the back of my head going, you know, caution,
because some of this stuff may be planted to intentionally
draw people to make conclusions, even though that may not
be cash as in the Van's intention themselves. This is
why I believe this is a bigger conspiracy, and we
(26:28):
have to make sure, just like with Butler, in with
Marl Lago and other events, that we don't think we
have the whole picture too early in this and are
looking at only specific people potentially missing the bigger picture.
I don't think they're doing that, but the message in
the media needs to be, you know, more open, I
(26:52):
guess you could say, and willing to say. I don't
think this is it, but it's very easy to find
planted evidence. I don't know whether it is or not.
But whatever is put in front of you is often
like putting steak in front of a dog. It's very
easy to grab what you see first and go for
(27:14):
it and ignore ring around you. That's kind of where
I'm sitting right now. Is what else has gone around
the gun itself, the ammunition that was engraved, the relationships
of people who was talking, what different groups were potentially
involved in organizing this on a larger scale, to the
campus from maybe even nationally or even overseas.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
I'm with you there.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I'm with you because I still feel like we don't
have all the answers from Butler. I mean, how did
that kid another young and nerd like he pulled like
the great one of the greatest, you know, almost assassinations
off by himself.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I saw so many answers from that, Darren.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
So yeah, there's a list of names to include mar
A Lago on the golf course. That's like, what happened
to these people? Why has everything suddenly disappeared so quickly? Okay,
maybe this person's that did the shooting is a lackey inexpendable.
That's very likely. In some of these cases, we have
to account for that and how they act, what they're doing,
(28:19):
and who they're going and talking to. I have a
lot of questions about this, you know, being from Montana
the way I was raised, a two hundred yards shot
with an average hunting rifle that wasn't even properly assembled.
You know, there's questions about those kinds of things. Did
he even have it? Was he trained? Would somebody give
it to him? And what is this stuff? And what
(28:40):
conclusions does it actually leads you towards. I think in
some cases we may be assuming too much into it.
In other cases, you know, you have to run on
what you've got and what I do love about. In
some aspects of social media and a lot of different
tools that are at the hands of everybodybody who has
a phone, in the computer and in the internet. Is
(29:04):
you know, we don't let up. We ask questions and
there's some stuff that's unreasonable out there, of course, but
we've got to ask the questions and look at things
and just not be spoon fed things through any media source.
We should be critical and digging into everything harder, but
also be critical when you get fed something that you know,
o wise with something you might believe too. That's that's
(29:27):
what discipline is.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
So do you feel an average hunter could like this
kid shoot that at like one shot? I mean it
was a one shot. Wonder is that surprising to you
coming from the hunting world.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
No, not for the people I'm around now this person.
That's where I'm questioning things, is what's their background? That
kind of thing when you look at the rifle, it's
an old mouser. If you look at how the scope
is mounted on the rifle, and nobody would do that
that way if they knew what they were doing. The
turrets on the end of the scope wouldn't be touching
(30:02):
the mounting rings. These kinds of little things stick out,
and so what it all leads to is did he
even take the thing to arrange and even know how
to shoot it? What was he aiming at from that distance?
And was this, in their perspective, just sheer luck because
they didn't weren't even aiming there in the first place.
(30:24):
I mean, was he aiming center mass or something the
center mass of the chest? And that's just what happened
because they didn't know how to shoot a gun in
the first place. There are some things that lead to
different conclusions in this case. But Ah, I was in
the infantry in the army, have done other things outside
the army. I grew up with guns. For a good
(30:45):
hunting rifle to hit a target at two hundred yards,
that's almost in Montana, that's like graduating into middle school.
It's not. It doesn't surprise me that that's possible. It's
clearly easy unless you have no background, no training, in
a poorly equipped and manufactured and assembled rifle with the
(31:05):
pieces that are put on it. In that case, I
start wondering if it is purely a lucky shot and
an expendable person, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Which it could be.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
All right, Well, back to God, because you and I
are very faithful people. We're trying you know, So what
is something so horrific like this, you know, mean to
the world, because you know, I've worked when one of
my friends was killed, you know, and what's the family
that's left behind, and you know, it's just it's so awful.
(31:41):
And my heart has been aching for the children because
you know, children love to have both of their parents intact,
and you know, and then of course you always have
the naysayers. Well, if God loved everybody, who wouldn't have
allowed this to happen. So what is the God message here, Darren,
because you are you know, minister pastor. And what do
(32:03):
we tell people?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
We tell people that the existence of evil is due
to man's pursuit of evil and has nothing to do
with God. God created us. God created this planet and
everything in it, and he made it good, as he
said in the Book of Genesis. But if there is
evil in this world, it is because of the choices
that we make in pursuit of sinful desires. And God
(32:28):
didn't make us like that. That's executive. That's what we
chose to do in the end, and the only reason
why anybody can even stand before any group of people
at all, or even an individual and say there is
such a thing as good and evil is because God exists.
He is a fact of his creation. And for us
(32:49):
to be able to stand back and say that something
was good and something was evil is because God created
us all with a conscience, and with that conscience we're
supposed to be able to tell the difference measured against
God's standard and not ours, because the way humanity works
is we will turn evil to good and good to
evil and think that we are one hundred percent correct
because we've adworn that God made it completely different. So
(33:14):
when you see the things that happen in this world
that are evil, don't turn away from God. Get closer
to him, because then you too will know better, more
and quickly what is the difference between good and evil
and who is your actual protector? And more importantly, come
to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and know that
(33:34):
no matter what happens in your life on earth, that
you've got an eternal home in heaven, because that's really
the only question that matters.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Well, and that's what Charlie Kirk was saying. He wanted
to be remembered for his faith, his courage and faith.
So Darren, behind you is your book Veritas Vincent. Why
do people need to read your book?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
It's on Amazon.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
People need to read my book because it drives them
towards the Bible and drives them towards God. But how
I do that is a little different. You can read
about geopolitics and warfare and diplomacy and economics, and one
article and the next one you can read about the
Romans Road in the Bible and how to come to salvation,
and you can just find yourself in multiple different topics.
(34:19):
There's eighty three or so different essays in the book,
from leadership to aviation, military and all the above. You
won't get bored. That's why you need to read it.
But in the end, like all things, if it takes
you through a journey that drives you towards God, then
mission accomplished. That's why you need to read it. By itself,
it's just a book, but as a arrow that points
(34:41):
to God's word, that's all that matters.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
So, Darren, have we missed anything in our Charlie Kirk discussion.
I think in the long run, I've seen some beauty.
The last few days. People are going to church, they're
picking up the Bible, you know, the new chapters that
are going to be an offshoot of this, you know,
because gen Z has definitely been awakened by it. Anything
(35:05):
that we've missed today, Darren.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I would say, don't let the fact that a national
figure had this happened to him and ignore the fact,
I should say, don't ignore the fact that there are
thousands more of us out there doing this in different scales,
and you may be targeted as well. That is ultimately
their goal is to remove the voice of freedom and
liberty and decency across this country. So know that when
(35:31):
you go out your front door, if you're part of
that crowd, the crowd that we sit here in that
you are, you also are a target and act appropriately.
The second thing being you know, you are your You
are your own best security. Don't rely on the police,
you know, don't go out there run train. But as
(35:52):
we've as I have personally witnessed scene and had been
exposed to, people across this world have realized their governments
are feeling them, and they have to take things on
there own in some cases, and they're going out in
forming neighborhood watches and community patrols and things like that.
These are all healthy, but make sure you know what
you're doing before you do it. Don't make yourself an
(36:13):
easy target. And in the end, though, don't worry about
your life. If you know God, he already knows when
you're when you're coming home.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Well, I want to thank God. I've been speaking with.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Retiredly tender Colonel Darren gob and we've been talking about
Charlie Kirk and a special Veronica Alive unplugged and Darren,
I want to thank you for joining me and we
want to send our of course hearts and prayers and
God's grace onto Erica and Charlie's two beautiful children so
that you know the upcoming days, months, years, that they
(36:47):
will feel His presence and know that God is with
them as well.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
So thank you for joining Veronicalive.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Thanks right,
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