March 18, 2025 • 32 mins
Commissioner Candidate Judy Tinder shares with VERONICA LIVE why she is running again to represent the citizens in Lynn Haven. Hear what this firecracker of a candidate shares with me.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Vernica Live. And I'm here with my wingman,
John Salik, and we've got former lynn Haven Commissioner Judy
Tinder is joining us and she has thrown her hat
in the ring to run for lynn Haven Commission again
seat four. So welcome back, Commissioner.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Thank you so much. It's great to be back.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You are one of my favorite commissioners because I went
to you many times when I had issues in lynn
Haven and I always said she was the older lady
that was kick ass. And I've told people that for
years and that has continued, Judy, because you were you
were one of the commissioners that got things done. So
why are you running again?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Well, to be honest with you, I'm still old. Actually
I'm older, and I still like getting things done. And honestly,
as the senior myself, there are some things that I
would love to see lynn Haven do for seniors and
improvements and things like that done that I would love
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to bring up to the commission. I feel like you
can't give up. We have so much to accomplish and
the only thing we can do is just keep grinding
at it with the hopes that you know, we can
get a few things changed.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
What are some of these things that you want changed?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, from a senior citizen aspect, I would love, and
not just for seniors, really, I would love to see
the city put in a resident hotline. Not just me.
But I can't tell you how many calls I get.
I call, the people call me and they go. I
called city Hall three days ago, nobody's called me back.
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Things like that, and I personally called there over a
week ago and still have not gotten a call back.
So I think that a resident hotline, we have plenty
of people sitting over there that could devote their times
picking up the phone and going, you know, saying how
can I help you, and taking notes and getting back
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to the people and making them aware that their issues
are important. I've heard heard many over the last few weeks,
many of the last years and years, But a resident
hotline i'd love to see. I would love And people
are going to just cringe when I say this. I
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would love to see if we could have free trash
pickups for our seniors. I mean, that truck goes down
that street, you know, it goes down the street no
matter how old you are. But what it would be
such a gift from the city. These people have paid
taxes and paid all these things their whole life. You know,
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what's a ten dollars pickup on their trash when it's
not putting anybody out, you know. So anyway, that that's
another thing that I would love to see happen. I
would love to see us address the library issue, or
the lack of And I think question might have.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
For you too, because that is on the that's one
of our referendums, and it says, should the city re establish, operate,
and maintain a library funded in whole or in part
by an increase to local tax dollars. The cost to
construct a four thousand square foot library is anticipated to
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exceed John, get this one point nine million, buddy. The
ongoing angle budget to maintain and operate the library is
expected to exceed three hundred and twenty thousand. So I
don't know what party's going on in the library, Judy,
So tell me. Because the library was destroyed during the hurricane,
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isn't that correct? I mean, what happened to the old library.
I remember going there for the first time I lived here,
and they had a little dolphin out front, and you
go to these little kid reading things and then all
of a sudden it's gone. And now I'm looking at
this three hundred and twenty k to run a damn library.
That seems I mean, hopefully I'm getting that job so
that I can make a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, no kidding. Well, first of all, the library that
was there before the hurricane, this is my opinion, Okay,
it should have never been torn down. They I was
told by a builder that when they tore that library down,
the steel underneath was in perfect shape, but they neglected
to tarp it. They let all those books be ruined
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by rain and the water that came in. They never
tarped it. They just automatically threw it to the trash
and for FEMA money, and they knew it was insured,
which brings us to another situation and lack of transparency.
Where is the FEMA money? Where is the insurance money
that was paid to the city for the library? Where
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did that go that we can't rebuild? Well, now we're
throwing a pool in there, or a pond or whatever
you want to call it. So there's no place for
the library there, but we still have room over next
to the Senior Center.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And why is that pond? There is that for the
roads that were redone. I'm not for water runoff.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Water retention and yeah it's a place for water runoff
and things like that. Why they've opened it up all
the way to the other end, I have no answer
for that. I'm being told that they're trying to they
put those aerators in with those gorgeous lights at night
to make it beautiful. Yeah, to also cut down on
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bacteria and things like that. I've gotten all so many
calls about that. People are afraid little two year olds,
three year olds are going to just walk right in there.
Somebody's gonna drowned. But they don't want to mess it
up with a fence, I'm sure. So there are a
lot of concerns on a lot of different residents parts
that are not so crazy about that. A lady called
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me yesterday. She goes, I get too tired of all
these events at Chiffield Park. I have to go out
and keep everybody out of my yard and cars park
too deep in her front yard because there's no place
for people to park.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well, I mean she was successful. I have to say
the events, so you know, I don't want that to
go away. But the second oh no, the second question
on the referendum or on the on the ballot for voters,
is non binding referendum regarding a regional library partnership? Should
the city partner with the Northwest Florida Regional Library System
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to re establish a satellite branch within an already existing
city owned building. This could expedite the re establishment of
the library and allow the city to recognize some costs.
So that seems like that's fiscally responsible.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
That is fiscally responsible, and we have that right after Michael.
They would actually bring the books over to Lynn Haven
one day a week and stuff, and we worked with
them really well. I think the senior citizens now particularly
are so desperate for a library. They like to hold
a book, They want that book in their hand, and
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that's certainly something that needs to be looked into. That
non binding part. There's a couple of words in that
referendum that mean no matter how the public votes, they
don't have to go with it. It's it is worded
that way. Non binding, well, means they don't have to
vote for it even if the citizens say yes.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And the third question on the ballot, which this one
seems fishy to me, Commissioners, you tell me, should this
city develop and implement a zoning map to enhance community
planning by more specifically guiding land use in the city.
Which I like that because I don't want to trailer
park next to a fancy neighborhood. And then it says
the city does not currently have a zoning map. Oh,
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you're joking. I didn't know that, right, But implements orderly
growth based on a citywide comprehensive plan. But then it
says a zoning map would establish and confirm the actual
list of permissible uses on each city parcel. The estimated
cost of this effort is owned known, but expected to
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be significant. So they don't even want to do it,
is how I read that?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Well, well, I'm going back and use when I say this,
I remember when they came up with this new law,
new ordinance. If you wanted to have a party at
your house, you may remember that.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Oh, if you.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Wanted to have a party at your house with more
than fifty people, you had to go to city Hall
and give.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Judy. Because I was kicking and screaming on that because
I have little parties over here, and that is not
the city's damp business. What happens in my house when
I'm having a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Party exactly, and they you had to list how many
people what you were serving. I'm not kidding what you
were serving to eat and everything.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
That Communist State of Glenn han ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I don't I really don't think that the zoning thing
is an issue if we use common sense. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
That's why you have a city engineer to keep all
this stuff in the world.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
But all the information is already out there.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
That's all you need to go is go to Bay
County Property Appraiser's website and tell you every parcel in
the city and what it's used for. You know, it's
not the informations already there if somebody wants to go
look at it, I mean the costs.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
We have so many boards, yeah, we have so many boards.
We have various boards. We have all these things that
if somebody wanted to open a sonic next to my
house between me and my neighbor, that's never going to
happen because they're never going to the Commission is never
going to improve it. And that's another thing. The Commission
has to approve these things that they want to stick
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in the middle of somewhere. They do that already, you know,
like they won't allow a doctor's office to go in
certain areas next to other businesses that it might impact
I mean, or you know, have a negative impact on No,
I don't think that's something. I think they're getting way
ahead of themselves. It's much more important that we find
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out where the money is. Where is the money? And
when are they going to start telling the people? That's
my big issue, the lack of transparency. We do not know,
We do not know how much money we have. And
if you ask, you can ask a number of people
and you will get a number of answers. But then
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things are being done differently now than they used to.
We used to have purely budget meetings and I'm telling you,
the commissioners would sit around the table, that's it, just
the commissioners, the audience that anybody that wanted to come
to the public was welcome to be there. We would
sit around and go through that budget line by line.
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Now they don't even do that. It has to be
turned down by that.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Is it incompetence or laziness? Do you think?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I think a combination thereof and lack of education. I
really do. I think there's people in places that don't
belong there that have never done it before. But currently
everybody who works in in the office or the administrative
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part of things at City Hall has only worked there
since Vicky Gaynor has been there. Everybody that was there
in the past is all gone. There's not a person there.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
That brings me up to an interesting piece. We had
a three part interview with Margo Anderson about her book
about Hurricane the Hurricane Michael and the extent of corruption
was astounding and and you know, Vicky Gaynor was right
in the middle of it, you know, along with the
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Chief Raimi and stuff, who who I had recommended to
the mayor a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
He should have been fired.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
And of course you know they don't have the backbone
to do that kind of stuff. And and what is
it about it? Are the people not aware of this?
You know, the citizens one even not aware of it?
Or do they just say, well, that's business as usual
and kind of kind of sluugh it off.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Unfortunately, I would say that half of them are not
aware of actually what's happened because they don't come to meetings,
and they don't come to meetings and Veronica I'm about
to say something that's going to set you off. But
they don't come to meetings because of what happened last wen.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I was going to ask you about that, So we'll
get to that.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, let's skip over that for just a second. That
was a three ring circus. The problem is they don't
come because they're not listening to they're not even treated
with respect when they go up to speak. It's terrible.
It's disgusting to watch, it really is, and that that
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is probably the biggest part of it. Nobody's going to
volunteer to go get beat down on the other On
the other hand, you have to have three votes to
pass anything, and you have five people voting up there
right now and in the immediate past for the last year,
only one. Jamie Worrick, the only one up there trying
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to get things done that needed to be done. He's
the only one that said we should have fired Ricky Raimie.
He's the only one that wanted to recall Vicky Gaynor.
He's the only one that fights for anything, the budget, everything,
and everybody else just sits the thing, go uh huh uh,
and that's it. So until we get enough people up there,
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that think alike and want the same types of things
for our residents. You know. Unfortunately he's beating his head
against the wall.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well I hate that, and so that was one of
my questions because he's up for reelection and I feel
like if you join, you know who else can help
get because what Lynn Haven is a weak mayor and
the mayor's vote is as much as a commission. I mean,
are you ever going to have enough people to vote
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your way? I mean, this has been my frustration. We
just had the mayor Panama City and they never vote
his way, and he has such clarity all the time.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Right, he's got he's fighting the same thing. Jamie is
doct Owhan four against one. But I do think that
it can happen. But until Jamie gets somebody else up
there that's going to stand with him, the other two
are going to stand back. And they're just they're just
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going to stand back. They don't want to be they
don't want to be ridiculed and belittled in front of
everybody like the mayor does.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
So so let's talk about last week because the whole
world has told me about it and asked if I'd
seen it, and then I did see someone that has
a show posted a bunch on it, so I watched
some of it, and the mayor the called out Jamie Wyrick,
one of the commissioners, as being a racist, and which
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I know Jamie because he's helped me on some issues
I've had here in my neighborhood, and I love him.
I think he's a great, hard working commissioner that actually
cares about his constituents. And I felt like, why was
this happening at this meeting. I'm past race, I think
because I've been in the military, I was a military brand.
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I don't play in the race arena. I think it's dumb.
I like everybody, I judge you on the content of
your character, and then you're if you're kicking ass. And
he's wasted time for the taxpayers with so many other
issues that needed to come to the table, So why
is this allowed? And nobody said anything up there. It
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was so embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Right, let me just say this to you. I served
with Jamie for four years on the commission. He was
the seat three and I was in C four. Jamie
is honorable beyond beyond the word. I can't explain it.
He also is retired military. He does not play in
the race arena either, and the mayor has outwardly accused
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him of being racist. And it's just that is so old,
you know. I mean, we need to get over we
need to get over this. If you can't have your way,
come up for another reason, I mean, you don't come
up with another reason, or let's talk one of the things.
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When I left the commission, and I left in twenty
three to run against Jesse Nelson for mayor, and when
I left, one of the last things he said to
me was, well, just remember when you're on the commission,
everybody has to agree. And I thought, oh my lord,
that's not true. If that were the case, nothing is
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ever going to happen. But last Wednesday, someone got up
in public speaking. Okay, they have three minutes to speak.
They said, a timer. Well, when this person got up
to speak, the mayor decided he was going to keep
interrupting her, and she kept saying, okay, stop the timer,
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I want that that's time back, and they never would
give it back to her. So she was getting more frustrated,
more fuster frustrated, and it just became where all of
a sudden, the mayor went off. He just went off.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I don't even know how to explain it.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I've never seen anything like it. I fought for a
Miny was having a nervous breakdown and thinking, oh my gosh,
she just won't quit. And personally I would have just
got it, walked out. If I were Jamie, I would.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Have got So we have time for this. We don't
have time for this. You know there's too many things.
So I guess, Judy, I mean the election's April twenty second.
I know you want to win again, and I'm supporting
you because I know you when you were a commissioner,
you fought for me and things that I brought to
the table for. Because I'm sadly, I am destined to
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on my on my tombstone one day it'll say she
was the h O Way President or h o A VP.
I can't get away from it because I'm a doer. Sadly,
I keep saying I'm done with this, and I keep
they keep making me do it. So you were very
helpful with so many issues, and they're probably like a
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saint of h Oa in heaven, so he's gonna welcome
me going Fornica. You were You're gonna you know future,
you could join me as a Saint of Hoa, you know, awesomeness.
But but I want you back in the commission and
I want Jamie to be re elected. I mean, what
else do you want voters to know? You know, because
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lynn Haven needs to get back on track with I don't.
I don't like divisiveness. I don't know why. And then
I think we need to know what the budget is.
You know what I'm saying that's important today, right.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I think the most important thing that the city needs
needs to get back is they need to have more
financial responsibility and they need to keep that transparent regarding
all city manners they h I mean, it's like the
money is hidden, if there even is any I jokingly
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have said, well, we probably don't even have the money
to pay for city Hall. But you know, I mean
that has to become more transparent. Number one, I'd love
to see the citizens coming back to Commission meetings and
being allowed to voice their opinion and be treated with respect.
You know. I know I'm always harping on Margo, but
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when somebody got up to speak at a meeting when
Margo is mayor of Lynnhaven, she would say could you
step up here and give the city manager your name
and number and I will call you after the meeting,
and she would she would go back to her office
and call that person or go to their home and
find out exactly what their issues were. And now we
have a mayror that doesn't even look up when you're talking,
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and that I think that needs to change in a
very big way. I would just like to see more transparency,
and I'd like to see people starting to be kind.
They can get their points across and be kind. They
don't have to be hateful and ugly, and as soon
as they realize that, a lot could change. But it
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all does come down to the basics. Who do we
have in charge and why are they in charge? Why?
You know, we right now have I don't know how
many lawsuits against the City of inn Haven and Vicky
Gainnor let Ricky Raymie have a twenty day vacation as
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far as I'm concerned, and that was his punishment for
hit and run, And now now she is being sued individually,
the city is being sued. Ricky Ramy's being sued individually,
and so is another police officer for false arrest and
for how they treated our last building inspect and that's
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coming right around the corner. That's going to be a
huge ticket. That's going to be a huge ticket.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And the people they want, they want the position for
the police chief to be a voted position because they
felt like what went down was not how it should
have been. So is there any way that we can
change that so the citizens decide who?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You know, I advocated for that. I did advocate for
that because I said, then the police chief would report
to the commission and they would control what he did
and everything that way. Uh and nobody else seemed to
want it, but maybe be able to readdress it. He's up.
He's in a couple two three at least three that
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I know of lawsuits that are right around the corner.
The police chief is individually and so it's VICKI. So
they bought. By the time this is all over, they
may both be gone. Who knows.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
I'm just curious, what why does Lynhaven even have a
police department? You know, it would seem to me like
you would almost want to just offload that onto the
Bay County Sheriff's Department and pay them for the service.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
And and and.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
I mean it's that that has always been a trouble spot.
I mean every time they've done something. And I've admired
that some of the things they've done in the past,
you know, like when they when they trained the police officers,
you know, to become what was it paramedics or whatever,
and equipped them, you know, so when they were the
first on the scene, they could render you know, first.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Aid for people having heart attacks.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
A fabulous idea, you know, and and it was just
pushed out, you know, like like it was nothing. Uh
you know, but you know, so people don't want want
the innovation in that case, and and it just seems
to be a source of corruption more than anything.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yes it is, Yes it is. And here's the other thing.
Ricky Ramie came from the Sheriff's office. That's where he
worked before he came to Lynn Haven. Michael White hired him.
They are very good friends or were, I don't know.
They were very good friends. He's the one that hired
Ricky Ramy as our police chief. We have excellent officers
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on our force. We do. We have excellent officers. And
at the same time, I have to ask myself, what
kind of example of integrity is this man showing these
younger officers, letting them think this kind of behavior is okay.
It's not right.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Well, sometimes I feel like I'm the mayor of lynn
Haven because I have received more complaints about that than
you could ever imagine. And as a citizen of taxpayer
of lynn Haven, I don't know how to change it
because people were angry with that, honestly, and I think
a lot of the military folks, you know which I
come from, and John, you get a.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
D U y, you're you're gone, your history.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
We don't allow that anymore, especially when you're the top
of the food chain. So so I have received so
many complaints Commissioner, you know, well, well what are we missing?
Because I you know, I want you in there, and
you know they've got somebody running against you? Is it?
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You got to running against you? And I feel that
they do that when they when they don't want the
person that needs to win win, you know, because that
when I ran for office, they put a third in
and she slept off enough of the votes for the
for the loser that beat me that won, and then
the funny thing, the loser did it and then she resigned,
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you know.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
So yeah, and by when they can drop in a
ringer and cause the runof the winner has to get
fifty one percent of the votes. And you know, this
is how I honestly feel about it. If the commission
or the citizens are happy with what they have, then
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so be it. Shame on them. And if they're tired
and they're ready to come back and do things the
way we used to do them and make people accountable,
it starts at the very top. I'm telling you we need.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
To this world now with Donald Trump is all about accountability.
His his this weekend, his approval rating is like the
highest it has ever been. And then you know, Elon M.
Musk like people. You know, obviously he's over the target
because everybody wants to kill him, and he's cleaning house
because we want to know what the budget is and
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where the money's going. I think if you, if you
were an elected person and I'm paying taxes into your
city too, I should be able to know what it
is your budget and we're going to spend every single penny.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yes, oh absolutely. And I'll tell you something about these lawsuits.
I had this conversation aur go with somebody. We don't
know if the city city insurance will have to pay
for the attorney for Vicky Gaynor, Ricky Remy and Bill.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I'm sure they will actually because well that's one of
the things as a city employee that you should, you know,
especially if it's a fake one. You know, obviously lawsuits
can ruin people's lives for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Right right right? So anyway, so that's your tax dollars
at are you know? Working hard for you two? I
just think that we have to we have to make
the top top dogs accountable and it's time to take
it back. You know. When we voted Vicky Gaynor in
as intram City manager, I was the only one that
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voted no out of five. And then when we had
we went a few months, got some applications and whatnot,
and then they had an election to vote her in permanently,
and again I was the only one that voted no,
and everybody else voted her in. She just received one
hundred and sixty six thousand dollars raids raids and with
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her benefit package on top of that, she's making well
over two hundred thousand. Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I saw that on Facebook that she's making more than
the governor. And then I think what I was appalled
with was when I saw the the like the overtime,
and she made six hundred and fifty dollars in one
day for an MLK, and I was like, why are
these people making so much money? And I work so
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hard and I'm not making six hundred and fifty dollars
a day, So.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Right, exactly exactly. I mean, but again, if you're the
top dog and you're the only one making the rules
and who are you running it by? You know what
I'm saying. If you're hunting all the figures from everyone,
you just play your own game and then hope nobody
wants to play. But that's what we have to do.
I mean, we've got to get people in there. They're
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going to stand up and say, no, this is not
how it flies. The commission hires the city manager, and
then the city manager takes care of the directors, and
the directors take care of these I.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Just want fiscal responsibility and transparency. And I really don't
know why this is so hard, especially when we're talking
little cities here. I don't understand because this is the
second interview that we've actually the third interview we've done today,
and it's not going that way in any of these cities.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
So, right, well, Lyn go ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well, I was gonna say, if John had some more
questions for.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
You, I'm good. You're covering it. You're hitting that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Lyn Haven has approximately fifteen to eighteen thousand registered to vote,
and at the last election a little over three thousand voted.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Well, John and I go crazy, John, John becomes postal
on that and so.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah, well we were discussing that this morning. The fact that,
you know, the municipal elections used to be with the
general election, and then and then the state legislature changed
it to make these off off season what I call
them elections, and you get no turnout and you end
up with fourteen fifteen, you know, maybe twenty percent the most.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
There's some controversy.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Showing up and then and then you know, you get
taxes passed by by you know, five or six or
the percent of the voting population gets to say yes
or no on taxes, and it's it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, it really is. And you know, we have a
certain amount of population and I can't really I used
to be one when I was thirty years old. I
was one as long as when I got up in
the morning, my toilet would flush and my water would
come on I was a happy camper. I don't I
don't care what happened next door or down the block.
It didn't matter to you why And that is that
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is the mentality of many, many people. And then you
have those who go to a lot of trouble that
can't get out and they do mail in ballots, and
those are the people we can count on. And I
come back to this. They are the older people, the seniors,
the people with experience. They've lived life, they know what
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it looks like, and we should heed their experience and
also listen to their advice because their advice is much greater.
You know, I think, well, what have we missed? You do?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
What are your final thoughts? We want people to come
out for the election on April twenty second.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yes, I want them to come out and vote, and
of course I'd love it if they vote for me,
But you know what, each to their own and I
believe if they don't vote for me, then they'll have
more of the same. Uh. And I'll try really hard
to keep my water enjoylet flushing and by myself if
we don't have people in there that will help do
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it and make sure things are running smoothly. But I've
been a public serving since twenty seventeen, and I would
like to continue doing that and I will fight for
the residents.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
God bless you. We'll have you back when you win
the commissioned seat. And uh uh you know, and Judy's
also the co owner of Victoria's Last Fight and the
chicken salad is to die for and the truffles, so
get out of my way because you know, I'm always
trying to get that stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
So I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I know.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Well, thank you so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Well, God bless you, and well thanks for joining Broduic
Alive today.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Absolutely thank you for having me
Welcome to Vernica Live. And I'm here with my wingman,
John Salik, and we've got former lynn Haven Commissioner Judy
Tinder is joining us and she has thrown her hat
in the ring to run for lynn Haven Commission again
seat four. So welcome back, Commissioner.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Thank you so much. It's great to be back.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You are one of my favorite commissioners because I went
to you many times when I had issues in lynn
Haven and I always said she was the older lady
that was kick ass. And I've told people that for
years and that has continued, Judy, because you were you
were one of the commissioners that got things done. So
why are you running again?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Well, to be honest with you, I'm still old. Actually
I'm older, and I still like getting things done. And honestly,
as the senior myself, there are some things that I
would love to see lynn Haven do for seniors and
improvements and things like that done that I would love
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to bring up to the commission. I feel like you
can't give up. We have so much to accomplish and
the only thing we can do is just keep grinding
at it with the hopes that you know, we can
get a few things changed.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
What are some of these things that you want changed?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Well, from a senior citizen aspect, I would love, and
not just for seniors, really, I would love to see
the city put in a resident hotline. Not just me.
But I can't tell you how many calls I get.
I call, the people call me and they go. I
called city Hall three days ago, nobody's called me back.
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Things like that, and I personally called there over a
week ago and still have not gotten a call back.
So I think that a resident hotline, we have plenty
of people sitting over there that could devote their times
picking up the phone and going, you know, saying how
can I help you, and taking notes and getting back
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to the people and making them aware that their issues
are important. I've heard heard many over the last few weeks,
many of the last years and years, But a resident
hotline i'd love to see. I would love And people
are going to just cringe when I say this. I
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would love to see if we could have free trash
pickups for our seniors. I mean, that truck goes down
that street, you know, it goes down the street no
matter how old you are. But what it would be
such a gift from the city. These people have paid
taxes and paid all these things their whole life. You know,
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what's a ten dollars pickup on their trash when it's
not putting anybody out, you know. So anyway, that that's
another thing that I would love to see happen. I
would love to see us address the library issue, or
the lack of And I think question might have.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
For you too, because that is on the that's one
of our referendums, and it says, should the city re establish, operate,
and maintain a library funded in whole or in part
by an increase to local tax dollars. The cost to
construct a four thousand square foot library is anticipated to
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exceed John, get this one point nine million, buddy. The
ongoing angle budget to maintain and operate the library is
expected to exceed three hundred and twenty thousand. So I
don't know what party's going on in the library, Judy,
So tell me. Because the library was destroyed during the hurricane,
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isn't that correct? I mean, what happened to the old library.
I remember going there for the first time I lived here,
and they had a little dolphin out front, and you
go to these little kid reading things and then all
of a sudden it's gone. And now I'm looking at
this three hundred and twenty k to run a damn library.
That seems I mean, hopefully I'm getting that job so
that I can make a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, no kidding. Well, first of all, the library that
was there before the hurricane, this is my opinion, Okay,
it should have never been torn down. They I was
told by a builder that when they tore that library down,
the steel underneath was in perfect shape, but they neglected
to tarp it. They let all those books be ruined
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by rain and the water that came in. They never
tarped it. They just automatically threw it to the trash
and for FEMA money, and they knew it was insured,
which brings us to another situation and lack of transparency.
Where is the FEMA money? Where is the insurance money
that was paid to the city for the library? Where
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did that go that we can't rebuild? Well, now we're
throwing a pool in there, or a pond or whatever
you want to call it. So there's no place for
the library there, but we still have room over next
to the Senior Center.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And why is that pond? There is that for the
roads that were redone. I'm not for water runoff.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Water retention and yeah it's a place for water runoff
and things like that. Why they've opened it up all
the way to the other end, I have no answer
for that. I'm being told that they're trying to they
put those aerators in with those gorgeous lights at night
to make it beautiful. Yeah, to also cut down on
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bacteria and things like that. I've gotten all so many
calls about that. People are afraid little two year olds,
three year olds are going to just walk right in there.
Somebody's gonna drowned. But they don't want to mess it
up with a fence, I'm sure. So there are a
lot of concerns on a lot of different residents parts
that are not so crazy about that. A lady called
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me yesterday. She goes, I get too tired of all
these events at Chiffield Park. I have to go out
and keep everybody out of my yard and cars park
too deep in her front yard because there's no place
for people to park.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Well, I mean she was successful. I have to say
the events, so you know, I don't want that to
go away. But the second oh no, the second question
on the referendum or on the on the ballot for voters,
is non binding referendum regarding a regional library partnership? Should
the city partner with the Northwest Florida Regional Library System
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to re establish a satellite branch within an already existing
city owned building. This could expedite the re establishment of
the library and allow the city to recognize some costs.
So that seems like that's fiscally responsible.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
That is fiscally responsible, and we have that right after Michael.
They would actually bring the books over to Lynn Haven
one day a week and stuff, and we worked with
them really well. I think the senior citizens now particularly
are so desperate for a library. They like to hold
a book, They want that book in their hand, and
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that's certainly something that needs to be looked into. That
non binding part. There's a couple of words in that
referendum that mean no matter how the public votes, they
don't have to go with it. It's it is worded
that way. Non binding, well, means they don't have to
vote for it even if the citizens say yes.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And the third question on the ballot, which this one
seems fishy to me, Commissioners, you tell me, should this
city develop and implement a zoning map to enhance community
planning by more specifically guiding land use in the city.
Which I like that because I don't want to trailer
park next to a fancy neighborhood. And then it says
the city does not currently have a zoning map. Oh,
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you're joking. I didn't know that, right, But implements orderly
growth based on a citywide comprehensive plan. But then it
says a zoning map would establish and confirm the actual
list of permissible uses on each city parcel. The estimated
cost of this effort is owned known, but expected to
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be significant. So they don't even want to do it,
is how I read that?
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Well, well, I'm going back and use when I say this,
I remember when they came up with this new law,
new ordinance. If you wanted to have a party at
your house, you may remember that.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Oh, if you.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Wanted to have a party at your house with more
than fifty people, you had to go to city Hall
and give.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Judy. Because I was kicking and screaming on that because
I have little parties over here, and that is not
the city's damp business. What happens in my house when
I'm having a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Party exactly, and they you had to list how many
people what you were serving. I'm not kidding what you
were serving to eat and everything.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
That Communist State of Glenn han ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I don't I really don't think that the zoning thing
is an issue if we use common sense. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
That's why you have a city engineer to keep all
this stuff in the world.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
But all the information is already out there.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
That's all you need to go is go to Bay
County Property Appraiser's website and tell you every parcel in
the city and what it's used for. You know, it's
not the informations already there if somebody wants to go
look at it, I mean the costs.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
We have so many boards, yeah, we have so many boards.
We have various boards. We have all these things that
if somebody wanted to open a sonic next to my
house between me and my neighbor, that's never going to
happen because they're never going to the Commission is never
going to improve it. And that's another thing. The Commission
has to approve these things that they want to stick
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in the middle of somewhere. They do that already, you know,
like they won't allow a doctor's office to go in
certain areas next to other businesses that it might impact
I mean, or you know, have a negative impact on No,
I don't think that's something. I think they're getting way
ahead of themselves. It's much more important that we find
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out where the money is. Where is the money? And
when are they going to start telling the people? That's
my big issue, the lack of transparency. We do not know,
We do not know how much money we have. And
if you ask, you can ask a number of people
and you will get a number of answers. But then
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things are being done differently now than they used to.
We used to have purely budget meetings and I'm telling you,
the commissioners would sit around the table, that's it, just
the commissioners, the audience that anybody that wanted to come
to the public was welcome to be there. We would
sit around and go through that budget line by line.
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Now they don't even do that. It has to be
turned down by that.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Is it incompetence or laziness? Do you think?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I think a combination thereof and lack of education. I
really do. I think there's people in places that don't
belong there that have never done it before. But currently
everybody who works in in the office or the administrative
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part of things at City Hall has only worked there
since Vicky Gaynor has been there. Everybody that was there
in the past is all gone. There's not a person there.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
That brings me up to an interesting piece. We had
a three part interview with Margo Anderson about her book
about Hurricane the Hurricane Michael and the extent of corruption
was astounding and and you know, Vicky Gaynor was right
in the middle of it, you know, along with the
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Chief Raimi and stuff, who who I had recommended to
the mayor a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
He should have been fired.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
And of course you know they don't have the backbone
to do that kind of stuff. And and what is
it about it? Are the people not aware of this?
You know, the citizens one even not aware of it?
Or do they just say, well, that's business as usual
and kind of kind of sluugh it off.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Unfortunately, I would say that half of them are not
aware of actually what's happened because they don't come to meetings,
and they don't come to meetings and Veronica I'm about
to say something that's going to set you off. But
they don't come to meetings because of what happened last wen.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
I was going to ask you about that, So we'll
get to that.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, let's skip over that for just a second. That
was a three ring circus. The problem is they don't
come because they're not listening to they're not even treated
with respect when they go up to speak. It's terrible.
It's disgusting to watch, it really is, and that that
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is probably the biggest part of it. Nobody's going to
volunteer to go get beat down on the other On
the other hand, you have to have three votes to
pass anything, and you have five people voting up there
right now and in the immediate past for the last year,
only one. Jamie Worrick, the only one up there trying
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to get things done that needed to be done. He's
the only one that said we should have fired Ricky Raimie.
He's the only one that wanted to recall Vicky Gaynor.
He's the only one that fights for anything, the budget, everything,
and everybody else just sits the thing, go uh huh uh,
and that's it. So until we get enough people up there,
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that think alike and want the same types of things
for our residents. You know. Unfortunately he's beating his head
against the wall.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well I hate that, and so that was one of
my questions because he's up for reelection and I feel
like if you join, you know who else can help
get because what Lynn Haven is a weak mayor and
the mayor's vote is as much as a commission. I mean,
are you ever going to have enough people to vote
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your way? I mean, this has been my frustration. We
just had the mayor Panama City and they never vote
his way, and he has such clarity all the time.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Right, he's got he's fighting the same thing. Jamie is
doct Owhan four against one. But I do think that
it can happen. But until Jamie gets somebody else up
there that's going to stand with him, the other two
are going to stand back. And they're just they're just
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going to stand back. They don't want to be they
don't want to be ridiculed and belittled in front of
everybody like the mayor does.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
So so let's talk about last week because the whole
world has told me about it and asked if I'd
seen it, and then I did see someone that has
a show posted a bunch on it, so I watched
some of it, and the mayor the called out Jamie Wyrick,
one of the commissioners, as being a racist, and which
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I know Jamie because he's helped me on some issues
I've had here in my neighborhood, and I love him.
I think he's a great, hard working commissioner that actually
cares about his constituents. And I felt like, why was
this happening at this meeting. I'm past race, I think
because I've been in the military, I was a military brand.
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I don't play in the race arena. I think it's dumb.
I like everybody, I judge you on the content of
your character, and then you're if you're kicking ass. And
he's wasted time for the taxpayers with so many other
issues that needed to come to the table, So why
is this allowed? And nobody said anything up there. It
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was so embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Right, let me just say this to you. I served
with Jamie for four years on the commission. He was
the seat three and I was in C four. Jamie
is honorable beyond beyond the word. I can't explain it.
He also is retired military. He does not play in
the race arena either, and the mayor has outwardly accused
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him of being racist. And it's just that is so old,
you know. I mean, we need to get over we
need to get over this. If you can't have your way,
come up for another reason, I mean, you don't come
up with another reason, or let's talk one of the things.
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When I left the commission, and I left in twenty
three to run against Jesse Nelson for mayor, and when
I left, one of the last things he said to
me was, well, just remember when you're on the commission,
everybody has to agree. And I thought, oh my lord,
that's not true. If that were the case, nothing is
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ever going to happen. But last Wednesday, someone got up
in public speaking. Okay, they have three minutes to speak.
They said, a timer. Well, when this person got up
to speak, the mayor decided he was going to keep
interrupting her, and she kept saying, okay, stop the timer,
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I want that that's time back, and they never would
give it back to her. So she was getting more frustrated,
more fuster frustrated, and it just became where all of
a sudden, the mayor went off. He just went off.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I don't even know how to explain it.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
I've never seen anything like it. I fought for a
Miny was having a nervous breakdown and thinking, oh my gosh,
she just won't quit. And personally I would have just
got it, walked out. If I were Jamie, I would.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Have got So we have time for this. We don't
have time for this. You know there's too many things.
So I guess, Judy, I mean the election's April twenty second.
I know you want to win again, and I'm supporting
you because I know you when you were a commissioner,
you fought for me and things that I brought to
the table for. Because I'm sadly, I am destined to
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on my on my tombstone one day it'll say she
was the h O Way President or h o A VP.
I can't get away from it because I'm a doer. Sadly,
I keep saying I'm done with this, and I keep
they keep making me do it. So you were very
helpful with so many issues, and they're probably like a
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saint of h Oa in heaven, so he's gonna welcome
me going Fornica. You were You're gonna you know future,
you could join me as a Saint of Hoa, you know, awesomeness.
But but I want you back in the commission and
I want Jamie to be re elected. I mean, what
else do you want voters to know? You know, because
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lynn Haven needs to get back on track with I don't.
I don't like divisiveness. I don't know why. And then
I think we need to know what the budget is.
You know what I'm saying that's important today, right.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I think the most important thing that the city needs
needs to get back is they need to have more
financial responsibility and they need to keep that transparent regarding
all city manners they h I mean, it's like the
money is hidden, if there even is any I jokingly
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have said, well, we probably don't even have the money
to pay for city Hall. But you know, I mean
that has to become more transparent. Number one, I'd love
to see the citizens coming back to Commission meetings and
being allowed to voice their opinion and be treated with respect.
You know. I know I'm always harping on Margo, but
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when somebody got up to speak at a meeting when
Margo is mayor of Lynnhaven, she would say could you
step up here and give the city manager your name
and number and I will call you after the meeting,
and she would she would go back to her office
and call that person or go to their home and
find out exactly what their issues were. And now we
have a mayror that doesn't even look up when you're talking,
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and that I think that needs to change in a
very big way. I would just like to see more transparency,
and I'd like to see people starting to be kind.
They can get their points across and be kind. They
don't have to be hateful and ugly, and as soon
as they realize that, a lot could change. But it
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all does come down to the basics. Who do we
have in charge and why are they in charge? Why?
You know, we right now have I don't know how
many lawsuits against the City of inn Haven and Vicky
Gainnor let Ricky Raymie have a twenty day vacation as
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far as I'm concerned, and that was his punishment for
hit and run, And now now she is being sued individually,
the city is being sued. Ricky Ramy's being sued individually,
and so is another police officer for false arrest and
for how they treated our last building inspect and that's
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coming right around the corner. That's going to be a
huge ticket. That's going to be a huge ticket.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And the people they want, they want the position for
the police chief to be a voted position because they
felt like what went down was not how it should
have been. So is there any way that we can
change that so the citizens decide who?
Speaker 2 (22:36):
You know, I advocated for that. I did advocate for
that because I said, then the police chief would report
to the commission and they would control what he did
and everything that way. Uh and nobody else seemed to
want it, but maybe be able to readdress it. He's up.
He's in a couple two three at least three that
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I know of lawsuits that are right around the corner.
The police chief is individually and so it's VICKI. So
they bought. By the time this is all over, they
may both be gone. Who knows.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
I'm just curious, what why does Lynhaven even have a
police department? You know, it would seem to me like
you would almost want to just offload that onto the
Bay County Sheriff's Department and pay them for the service.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
And and and.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
I mean it's that that has always been a trouble spot.
I mean every time they've done something. And I've admired
that some of the things they've done in the past,
you know, like when they when they trained the police officers,
you know, to become what was it paramedics or whatever,
and equipped them, you know, so when they were the
first on the scene, they could render you know, first.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Aid for people having heart attacks.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
A fabulous idea, you know, and and it was just
pushed out, you know, like like it was nothing. Uh
you know, but you know, so people don't want want
the innovation in that case, and and it just seems
to be a source of corruption more than anything.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yes it is, Yes it is. And here's the other thing.
Ricky Ramie came from the Sheriff's office. That's where he
worked before he came to Lynn Haven. Michael White hired him.
They are very good friends or were, I don't know.
They were very good friends. He's the one that hired
Ricky Ramy as our police chief. We have excellent officers
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on our force. We do. We have excellent officers. And
at the same time, I have to ask myself, what
kind of example of integrity is this man showing these
younger officers, letting them think this kind of behavior is okay.
It's not right.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Well, sometimes I feel like I'm the mayor of lynn
Haven because I have received more complaints about that than
you could ever imagine. And as a citizen of taxpayer
of lynn Haven, I don't know how to change it
because people were angry with that, honestly, and I think
a lot of the military folks, you know which I
come from, and John, you get a.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
D U y, you're you're gone, your history.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
We don't allow that anymore, especially when you're the top
of the food chain. So so I have received so
many complaints Commissioner, you know, well, well what are we missing?
Because I you know, I want you in there, and
you know they've got somebody running against you? Is it?
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You got to running against you? And I feel that
they do that when they when they don't want the
person that needs to win win, you know, because that
when I ran for office, they put a third in
and she slept off enough of the votes for the
for the loser that beat me that won, and then
the funny thing, the loser did it and then she resigned,
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you know.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
So yeah, and by when they can drop in a
ringer and cause the runof the winner has to get
fifty one percent of the votes. And you know, this
is how I honestly feel about it. If the commission
or the citizens are happy with what they have, then
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so be it. Shame on them. And if they're tired
and they're ready to come back and do things the
way we used to do them and make people accountable,
it starts at the very top. I'm telling you we need.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
To this world now with Donald Trump is all about accountability.
His his this weekend, his approval rating is like the
highest it has ever been. And then you know, Elon M.
Musk like people. You know, obviously he's over the target
because everybody wants to kill him, and he's cleaning house
because we want to know what the budget is and
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where the money's going. I think if you, if you
were an elected person and I'm paying taxes into your
city too, I should be able to know what it
is your budget and we're going to spend every single penny.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yes, oh absolutely. And I'll tell you something about these lawsuits.
I had this conversation aur go with somebody. We don't
know if the city city insurance will have to pay
for the attorney for Vicky Gaynor, Ricky Remy and Bill.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I'm sure they will actually because well that's one of
the things as a city employee that you should, you know,
especially if it's a fake one. You know, obviously lawsuits
can ruin people's lives for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Right right right? So anyway, so that's your tax dollars
at are you know? Working hard for you two? I
just think that we have to we have to make
the top top dogs accountable and it's time to take
it back. You know. When we voted Vicky Gaynor in
as intram City manager, I was the only one that
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voted no out of five. And then when we had
we went a few months, got some applications and whatnot,
and then they had an election to vote her in permanently,
and again I was the only one that voted no,
and everybody else voted her in. She just received one
hundred and sixty six thousand dollars raids raids and with
(28:19):
her benefit package on top of that, she's making well
over two hundred thousand. Wow.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I saw that on Facebook that she's making more than
the governor. And then I think what I was appalled
with was when I saw the the like the overtime,
and she made six hundred and fifty dollars in one
day for an MLK, and I was like, why are
these people making so much money? And I work so
(28:45):
hard and I'm not making six hundred and fifty dollars
a day, So.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Right, exactly exactly. I mean, but again, if you're the
top dog and you're the only one making the rules
and who are you running it by? You know what
I'm saying. If you're hunting all the figures from everyone,
you just play your own game and then hope nobody
wants to play. But that's what we have to do.
I mean, we've got to get people in there. They're
(29:11):
going to stand up and say, no, this is not
how it flies. The commission hires the city manager, and
then the city manager takes care of the directors, and
the directors take care of these I.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Just want fiscal responsibility and transparency. And I really don't
know why this is so hard, especially when we're talking
little cities here. I don't understand because this is the
second interview that we've actually the third interview we've done today,
and it's not going that way in any of these cities.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
So, right, well, Lyn go ahead.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well, I was gonna say, if John had some more
questions for.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
You, I'm good. You're covering it. You're hitting that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Lyn Haven has approximately fifteen to eighteen thousand registered to vote,
and at the last election a little over three thousand voted.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Well, John and I go crazy, John, John becomes postal
on that and so.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah, well we were discussing that this morning. The fact that,
you know, the municipal elections used to be with the
general election, and then and then the state legislature changed
it to make these off off season what I call
them elections, and you get no turnout and you end
up with fourteen fifteen, you know, maybe twenty percent the most.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
There's some controversy.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Showing up and then and then you know, you get
taxes passed by by you know, five or six or
the percent of the voting population gets to say yes
or no on taxes, and it's it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, it really is. And you know, we have a
certain amount of population and I can't really I used
to be one when I was thirty years old. I
was one as long as when I got up in
the morning, my toilet would flush and my water would
come on I was a happy camper. I don't I
don't care what happened next door or down the block.
It didn't matter to you why And that is that
(31:08):
is the mentality of many, many people. And then you
have those who go to a lot of trouble that
can't get out and they do mail in ballots, and
those are the people we can count on. And I
come back to this. They are the older people, the seniors,
the people with experience. They've lived life, they know what
(31:30):
it looks like, and we should heed their experience and
also listen to their advice because their advice is much greater.
You know, I think, well, what have we missed? You do?
Speaker 1 (31:42):
What are your final thoughts? We want people to come
out for the election on April twenty second.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yes, I want them to come out and vote, and
of course I'd love it if they vote for me,
But you know what, each to their own and I
believe if they don't vote for me, then they'll have
more of the same. Uh. And I'll try really hard
to keep my water enjoylet flushing and by myself if
we don't have people in there that will help do
(32:11):
it and make sure things are running smoothly. But I've
been a public serving since twenty seventeen, and I would
like to continue doing that and I will fight for
the residents.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
God bless you. We'll have you back when you win
the commissioned seat. And uh uh you know, and Judy's
also the co owner of Victoria's Last Fight and the
chicken salad is to die for and the truffles, so
get out of my way because you know, I'm always
trying to get that stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
So I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I know.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Well, thank you so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Well, God bless you, and well thanks for joining Broduic
Alive today.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Absolutely thank you for having me
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