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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to Veterans' Chronicles. I'm Greg Corumbus. Our guest in
this edition is Bob Ingram, a US Navy veteran of
the Vietnam War. He served as a Navy corman for
the US Marines of Charlie Company, first Battalion, seventh Marine
Regiment in the first Marine Division. Ingram received both the
Medal of Honor and a Silver Star for his courage
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under fire for actions just a few weeks apart in
early nineteen sixty six. Bob Ingram graduated high school and
joined the service in nineteen sixty three to give his
life some direction. The influence of his uncles prompted him
to join the Navy. Since Ingram had worked in electronics
while in high school. He tested very well in that
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area in the Navy and was placed in a unit
focused on electronics. He was okay with that assignment, but
particularly thrilled. It was when he got severely ill that
Ingram was drawn to serve as a corman.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Well, I called pneumonia when I was in boot camp,
and they put me in an isolated unit because we
meningitis broke out, And as I watched for some days,
watched these cormen in there. You know, I never knew
what a corman was. Everybody in my family were truck drivers,
construction workers, you know, hard working labor people, blue collar workers.
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What I admired was the dedication that these guys had,
and then the more I've watched it, the more I thought,
you know, that would be nice to have that, because
I had never been dedicated to anything.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
His superiors were shocked, to say the least. When Ingram
requested to be assigned as a corman.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I went up to the I forget what department you
call it, requesting a change in my mos. They laughed,
and I said, what are you an idiot? You have
the best school the Navy has guaranteed, and you want
to become a corman. They looked at each other and said, hey,
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have d it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Ingram says corman training was long and difficult.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
The hospital court training at that end that era was
very intense. They say sixteen weeks. It was more like
eighteen nineteen weeks, depends on when you came in. I
mean it was harder than boot camp. He got up
in the morning and you studied notes for the tests
that day, and you took your three by five cards
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and you read them over and over and over while
you were marching to breakfast. And you know, it was
all day, every day. There was no liberty. There was
nothing eighteen weeks and then you had the head of
course school, you know, gave you these friendly advice. You know,
if you don't pass course school, you'll be chipping paint
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for the next four years. You know, things were a
little different back then.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
He says. The training was designed to prepare Navy Corman
in several important ways.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
People have different different thoughts about that. Hospital school was
trained to give you theory, anatomy and physiology to the
best degree they could teach you, and to make you think, improvise,
and probably the improvise was the key to the whole thing.
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Understand your subject, understand the problem, do the best she could.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
After Navy Corman training came US Marine Corps AID training.
Once that was done, a Corman would be assigned to
a marine unit, but finding a good fit was not easy.
Ingram was first connected with a forced recon unit, but
he wanted nothing to do with that. Then he was
assigned to B Company of the first Battalion, seventh Marines.
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He says it was a terrible fit from the start.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
The first company I was with. You know, being in
the service is all about leadership. There's good leadership, there's
good teams, and there's bad leadership and bad teams. The
first company I was with I did not measure with
in any way, shape or form. I requested to get
out of that company and be sent to another company
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since we were assigned rather than part of the company.
They didn't like that at all. I said, I want
out of this company. It was going to be lethally
a problem for me, and I knew that my personality
did not jib in any way, shape or form with
the NCOs. The leaders and some of the lower NCOs also.
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Trouble was brewing, and I knew it. So the first
class up in Battalion aid station looked at the chief
and he says, put him in Charlie Company. Nobody wants
to go to Charlie Company. And Chief said, you got it.
He says, you'll be sorry about this one. The best
thing ever happened to me.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Ingram and Charlie Company hit it off immediately.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Respect from day one, from the commanding officer all the
way through the petun commanders down. It was. It was
almost bliss. They took me and introduced me to every
single guy in the company. Was like two hundred and
forty guys. Assigned me to a couple of marines and said,
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y'all get docs set up and ready, and he's and
have him on the parade field at eight o'clock. The
care for these marines started right there day one, and
it was a matter of trust. You learned to trust
each other. Actually you learned to love each other. So
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it all grew from there. They took care of me,
I took care of them.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
By late nineteen sixty five, Ingram and his beloved Marines
were in Vietnam. He says, they were soon in age
with the enemy on a regular basis.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
We were around July Air Base for a week or two,
and then they sent us out to a peninsula called
the Ben Thong Peninsula. It was a stronghold for the NBA.
We were patrolling jungle and getting hit on a regular basis.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Ingram also gave us an idea of what he carried
into battle.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well that varied through the years. Basically, you have battle
dressings and surgical instruments, a small amount of them, a
few painkillers, nerve gas repelled, which was worthless. That's about it.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
As a corman, Ingram only carried a forty five on
his hip as a weapon. Unfortunately, that actually made him
a target for the North Vietnamese.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Now, if you carried a forty five, it was only
certain people in the company that would be carrying a
forty five. The radio man who had to have his
hands free, so he had a pistol. The weapons platoons
guys that was their personal protection weapon. They also had
another weapon that they use. And the officers, so you
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look like an officer. You do not want to look
like an officer or a corman in combat. It's the
first two guys they're looking for.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
On February eighth, nineteen sixty six, Ingram and Charlie company
came under vicious fire from the enemy. Many friends were
lost that day. Ingram received a Silver Star for his actions.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Well, we were hitting a three point ambush. I had
like nine guys down on one dike and we had
the rest of the CEO and the half of the
group that were out there. They were coming in from
the flank through the side. Fortunately they had to go
through a pretty heavy slew of water before they got
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to that village, but you know, all of a sudden
the place exploded and the men went down on the
main dyke, and of course I went after him. By
the time I got to the last one, Sergeant Sansel
was there. Everybody was hit, was either dead or totally incapacitated.
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Get out to the end of the dike, and the
machine gunner is down, and the a gunner who is
supposed to be his assistant, carries the ammunition and takes
over the gun. If the gunner is out, he was gone.
I couldn't find him, and they were lighting us up
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from three directions. I had been assigned to weapons platoon
when I first went with a Marine Corps, and like
I said, those Marines were all with me. They taught
me how to use every weapon that was in weapons company.
Obviously did a fairly good job at it because I
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was functional. So I grabbed the machine gun, loaded it
up with three hundred rounds, and started started shooting the
fire lines. Probably the biggest thing to that number one
quiet the enemy because you couldn't hit them they were
that far away. Machine gun be the only thing you
could shoot out there that you knew where you were hitting.
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Because it had tracer rounds in it, and the flink
patrol that was coming in on the other end, they
had no idea where these guys were. I actually turned
the machine gun over towards where I knew they were
supposed to come in and tried to over their heads
and loaded them up so they would be very alert.
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Never knew whether they caught that idea or not until
years later.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Ingram says his actions helped to expose the enemy position,
but the toll in the lives of marines was painfully high.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
All that did was enlightened people as to where the
enemy was. By the time I got back to the
guy that was out there, the sergeant that was out there,
he was dead. And I mean we lost twelve guys
on that dike that day. In one episode, you know,
nobody came off that dike but me.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And he says that was just part of what the
company suffered that day. An enemy minefield also did significant
damage before they could get to safety.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, we actually had three actions that day. We had
when we tried to get back to our basic point
where they started. If very honest, we started getting action
from behind us. We basically put that down and then
on the way out of there, we walked into a minefield.
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Another whole situation. Well, we picked up our are injured
and got him out of there, and then we walked back.
I guess you'd call it walk. How about run? We
didn't have too many people left. It was a very bad.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Day when we come back. Bob Ingram tells the story
of his actions on March twenty eighth, nineteen sixty six,
which would result in the Medal of Honor more than
three decades later. I'm Greg Corumbus and this is Veterans Chronicles.
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Speaker 1 (12:43):
This is Veterans Chronicles. I'm Greg Corumbus. Our guest is
Bob Ingram, a US Navy veteran of the Vietnam War.
He served as a corman with C Company, first Battalion,
seventh Marines. Mister Ingram now takes us through the horrific
events of March twenty eighth, nineteen sixty six, which ultimately
led to him receiving the Medal of Honor.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Went like five mile tactical area of responsibility. We were
on the Southeastern area at that point. We knew that
it was inhabited by a large number of NVA. Actually,
we ended up landing in a landing zone that was
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not where we were supposed to land. But once you're down,
you're down, you know. So we organized and took off,
came around a hill and one of the marines noticed
some uniform guys on top of the hill that were lookouts,
and he and I had been already operating in combat
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for about seven and a half eight months. He looked
back and yelled, hey dog, we just automatically it. We
ran around the side of the hill and these guys
that were lookouts, so to speak, they were coming down
the backside of the hill, and we dropped them. About
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the time we dropped them, all hell broke loose and
they say they had one hundred NVA dug in and
he were from seventy two, one hundred yards away from
us in the rice patty, and they basically decimated third
P two instantly. Well, the guy who I went over
the hill with, he was the first guy to go down.
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I took off after him. He was on the lower slope.
I took off after him, got to him and we
shared a couple of rounds. I moved from there and
I used him as a protection from the shells that
were coming in. At that point, I noticed the fire
was coming out of this cane patch across the rice patty,
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so I used all of his ammunition and most of
mine trying to put that down, and it appeared that
I was successful. I took one round through the hand
at that point, I kept a couple of rounds in
the rifle and turned around and took off for the back.
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Before I got back to the first plateau, I got
hit in the leg, went down, of course, and got
back up and ran. I found a couple of more guys.
First sergeant was back there. He was very dead, and
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so I grabbed his ammunition and stuck his rifle down
and took off for the next one. And there were
plenty of people out there to take care of. I
got over to another area and saw one of them
then down, so I got down on my knees to
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evaluate him. I was pretty sure he was dead anyway,
and while I was down there, the enemy came up
out of a fight with spider trap about fifteen twenty
feet away and put one through my face.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Very traumatic day, racing from man to man, moving weapons
and ammo from fallen marines to others still in the fight,
and all while wounded several times. How did Ingram keep going?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It wasn't my first rodeo. I don't think I ever
had any tent on coming back. It's amazing the guys
that I met back up with years later that went
through all of this with me. Every one of them
intended on coming back. Third Platoon had no one walking
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after that last day. After the round went through my head,
and laid there for a second and reached over and
realized my rifle was still in my hand, and I
grabbed it and took off for the rest of the guys.
Cleared a couple of hedgerows, and of course my hearing
was pretty bad and my vision wasn't too sharp anyway.
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I finally ended up down at the border of the
rice patty, close to the enemy. I had thirty rounds
left and nobody to be seen. The only guys that
were alive in my company were two stages up on
the hill, and I knew they were in bad shape.
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Then I started seeing the enemy was across the rice patty,
and I could see them with their little beanies on
more like images than anything else. The whole sergeant used
to tell me, nobody can tell where one fire came from,
so you turned it on semi automatic, lined your sight up,
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take him out one at a time. I got through
one magazine and part of another one, and finally, all
of a sudden, the whole hedgerow jumped up and ran off.
That was both funny and scary. They were all over
the place at that point. I started toured the back
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because I knew I was in pretty bad shape. It
was like five tiers on the front side of this hill.
I think I got to the second one and I
just couldn't make it over it. Somebody's hand reached down
and grabbed me and pulled me up. This was my
commanding aucer. He had come down from up above, grabbed me,
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pulled me over, and he didn't even know who I
was when he pulled me over that little cliff or wall.
He said, I couldn't tell who you were. He said,
between the blood and saliva and what as, you look
like some kind of scarecrow or something out there.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
That's Bob Ingram, a US Navy veteran of the Vietnam War.
Ingram tells us about receiving the medal when we come back.
I'm Greg Corumbus, and this is Veterans Chronicles. This is
Veterans Chronicles. I'm Greg Corumbus. Our guest is US Navy
veteran Bob Ingram. He served as a corman with C Company,
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First Battalion, seventh Marines. He is a recipient of the
Medal of Honor for his actions during a devastating fight
on March twenty eighth, nineteen sixty six. But long before
Ingram received the medal, he had a long road to
recovery after suffering several wounds and losing a great deal
of blood. Ingram explains what that recovery looked like in
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the immediate aftermath.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Well, I was unconscious for several weeks. Who knows exactly what.
I went back to Beamed Battalion in July. They didn't
do too much. Tried to stop the bleeding and had
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to have a tracheostomy at that point because I was
bleeding into the lungs, and they sent me the ab
end Beattie in in Danang. I remember waking up in Danang.
The doctor was trying to talk to me. Next thing
I remember was stopover in the Philippines. Basically unconscious the
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entire time. They took me out of Philippines. We landed
somewhere in Illinois and from there to Nasax because that
was the closest naval facility.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And when Ingram got home there was still a long
recovery to go a long time.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
They treated the head wound, they treated the leg wound,
debreded the leg. No serious surgery to the leg, just
stopped the bleeding and the muscles had retracted, so they
cleaned it up and patched it together. Plastic surgery was
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an unknown profession at that time, so they just undermined
it and pulled it over and it worked. Just still working.
Sometimes not too good, but it's still working. The hand
they tied the tendons and stuff back together on it
ended up kind of stiff and mess up, and it
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worked out. Everything's still working for as I know.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It was nearly three decades later that Bob Ingram learned
he had been recommended for the Medal of Honor. He
now walks us from that revelation to actually receiving the
medal from President Bill Clinton in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I had no idea. It was ninety five. The eleven
o'clock news just came on. I don't want to get emotional.
My platoon commander called me on the phone. Of course
I recognized his voice and he mine, and we talked
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for about an hour hour and a half. He didn't
tell me at that point. We just talked, and the
following Wednesday I called a flight over and met him
into his condo in Alabama. We were walking down the
beach and he said, what did you get for twenty
eight March? And I said, what do you mean, Purple Heart?
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What else? He says? Are you not aware that you
were put up for medal honor? And I laughed, you know,
why would I be put up for medal honor? I
could give you blinded examples. You know all of those
I left. I think we lost a total of twenty
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five dead that day if I remember the status right,
and about thirty five or forty wounded. Never really knew
much about any of them after that time till we
met back up in ninety five. The rules for receiving
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the Medal of Honor were fairly stringent. The papers have
to be dealt with within three years of the time
of the action, and we're talking about sixty five to
seventy five, so we don't follow in that line. The
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guys that I was with in Vietnam are the ones
who decided they wanted to make this thing happen. I
wasn't particularly interested in having it. You know, I'd been
without it all those years. The advantage, well, the advantage
was getting us all back together. It had to go
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through Congress and get the rules change. These guys who
have gotten the middles since ninety eight, they would have
had to fight the same thing. My guys rallied. It
went from ninety five to ninety eight, and it just
would not get on the agenda. I think you know,
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if it doesn't get on the agenda, it didn't happen.
Once it got on the agenda, it was doing its
typical political crap up and down, up and down, and
people talking about something they had no idea about and upsets.
A congressman from Pennsylvania retired marine, and he begged time
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from someone else because he had no time. He sit
up there and just laid it out. He says, in
case shall don't understand, let me read this. And he
read through it, and then he turned around and called
for vote. He didn't have any time, he couldn't call
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for vote, had to go back. So they called for
vote and it was unanimous, so that was good. Then
he had all the investigation. He had to go through
a tremendous amount of investigation in ninety eight. President Clinton's
the one who put it around my neck. So we
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got it. Then I had twenty five guys left from
Vietnam in that room. They didn't like that. You're allowed
to have your mother father brought a total number of five.
None of my family was there. Wife and children were there.
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That was it mom and dad and no brothers down.
They did n't like that either. My real brothers came
from me. The lady who ran that room where it
was presented said to me, after which she says, we've
never had At first, she had never been invited to
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a giving of the Medal of honor, even though she
had to do all the paperwork, all the work, and
of course she was invited. I called the senators and
the representatives, etc. Each one individually and asked them for
their seats, because they all get two seats. So this
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is politics. I always want to attach something and they
want to get their pictures taken, et cetera. The commandant
was willing to give his up. Chief and Naval Operations
was willing to give his up. So we had that
room packed with Vietnam veterans from Charlie company. She said,
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you would have thought that they were all getting the
metal of Farmer. I said they were. It wasn't for them,
wouldn't happen anyway. So it was a tremendous opportunity to
get my group of guys back together. That's hard to
describe this weekend Memorial Day. We lost seven of our
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guys in this calendar year so far, it's more than
one a month. Of course, we're all old, we're all
hitting that siege. So Memorial Day is touching me, particularly
in memory of all these guys. Of course, some worild
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days for all of them, but particularly the ones I'm
not going to see.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Receiving the Medal of Honor changes recipients in different ways.
Some feel a burden, others feel unworthy. Some see it
as a chance to honor the brothers they fought beside
Ingram tells us how it changed him.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Got to do a lot of travel. I'm not a
personality who likes the hoopla very much of an introvert,
whether you can tell that or not. Sometimes I'm not
sure I quite had to say this. Sometimes I'm embarrassed
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because I got it and they didn't. They didn't get
the recognition. What does the recognition do for you? Really,
you're doing all these interviews, think about it for a minute.
What good would that recognition do you personally? I mean,
if you're a personality who needs that, that's great. I
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did not get this medal at the time. I was,
I guess recognized by my men. I guess I never
knew that at the time because I didn't see any
of them. I knew I'd done the best show I couldn't.
Most of them thought I was dead anyway. It's almost
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embarrassing the accolades that I get for what they did.
What did I do? I was just part of the team,
not a very big team, damn good team. But I
was just a part of it. Yet I get the
accolades and they get dead kind of a slap. Now,
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you know, I don't like doing interviews.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
But it has not changed what he is most proud
of about his of us.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
My team. First, I'd never been in a team like that.
I never played sports of any kind. I worked all
the time. The first people I was with was definitely
not a good team. Charlie Company was a team from
day one. Our record in combat performance wise and personal wise,
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vouched to the fact that we were one hell of
a team. Take one, you got to take them all.
We were given assignments by the battalion and the regiment
that would indicate that also we were an undermanned company.
My last day out there, we had like one hundred
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and fifteen guys. We went in there as a full
blown company. Colonel Kelly years later, when we met up
within the said, you know, why did they send Charlie
Company in there? I can tell you that right straight up.
He said. They were all questioning me, why are you
putting Charlie Company in there? And he said, because they'll
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do the job. The other companies in the battalion, I
mean they'd all seen some combat, they'd all all send
some rough times. The Charlie Company had seen probably five
or six times what the other companies had. We were
put in as a blocking force. Would we do the job?
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He gave us Yes, he was convinced to that.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Ingram also hopes his story resonates with future generations and
it's already having an impact on kids today.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Well, I just hope that there's some stimulus there that
they can hear. We have a medal of honor function
in a little city called the host City, Gainesville, Texas.
I first started going to that years ago. It was
in the lightning, to say the least, because every time
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we went out there once a year. We started in
elementary schools, junior high, high, college, etc. Still going on
today when we have some of those kids come back
up there and tell you how much they appreciate it.
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Was a very diverse population, very high Hispanic. A lot
of the kids weren't doing very well and they tie
on to one of our stories and get a little
push out of it, and we tell them, you know,
if I can do it, you can do it. I'm
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going to come back next year and ask you you know,
the old challenge, and we'll see them next year and
they'll be One of them ran up on Dansay's with
his report card and he said, I want you to
see this. His teacher said he came from absolute failure.
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He was fighting everything. He wouldn't talk to her, he
wouldn't do homework, he wouldn't do anything. And she says,
he is functioning at a high B level. Now. I
knew he had the potential, but I just couldn't figure
out how to simulate it. He met with the Medal
of Honor recipients, and I don't remember which ones. I mean,
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I was one of them. We had like a six
person panel. He got an auditorium here with two hundred
kids in it. To him makes you wonder whether they're
hearing anything at all. If one of them hurt, one
of them got simulus, she said, Obviously something you all
said to him, or he heard or perceived got him
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off his rear. He went home to his parents and
started talking about it, at which time his grandfather came out,
who was World War two, had never talked about anything,
and he started talking to the boy. So who knows
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what happened that it's not important. It's only important that
he got the stimulus and that he moved on had
some direction.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
That's Bob Ingram, a US Navy veteran of the Vietnam War.
He served as a Navy corman with C Company, first Battalion,
seventh Marines. He's a recipient of the Medal of Honor
and the Silver Star for his actions just weeks apart
in early nineteen sixty six. I'm Greg Corumbus, and this
his Veterans Chronicles. Hi, this is Greg Corumbus, and thanks
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