Hank Willard Interview

We're back with another episode of Voiceless Behind Bars. Today on the podcast, Sarah welcomes Hank Willard, a fellow advocate and whistleblower that Sarah met through her advocacy work. Hank was wrongfully convicted himself and shares his story with our audience.


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Episode Transcript

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Hey, this is Sarah de Armand, and before this episode begins, I
wanted to issue a brief trigger warning. This episode contains highly sensitive subject material
that involves sexual assault when it comesto a child. And even though Hank,
who is being interviewed in this episode, was wrongly convicted, the subject

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material gets very heavy and at timesnot only sensitive but a bit graphic.
And again, while it's all false, it's overall very sad and I can
understand how a lot of people couldget triggered by this episode. So if
you need to skip it, Icompletely understand, and I hope that you'll

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be back for the next episode.With that being said, let's get started.
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all kind of then it's John meI fad is say be careful, wisad
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dreams, come waking up percent Afour Land whole risk covering up in ice

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stealing ship. Welcome to Voices behindBars. I'm your host, Sarah Darren,
and today I have my friend HankWillard on the show. He is
a whistleblower, but it all throughwhen he was very cackfully, purposefully roughly
convicted. But let me shut upfor a second. Hank, thank you

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for coming on the show. Doyou mind introducing yourself? Yes, my
name is Hank Willard. I livein Ohio. Yes, I am a
whistleblower, so to speak, anadvocate for wrongful conviction. I was deliberately
wrongfully convicted as a payback for standingup to an organized crime family here in

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Ohio. The Children's Services as aresult of a mother in law who thought
their daughter could do better than me, concocted false physical abuse charges against me
trying to convince my wife to leaveme, and Children's Services got ahold of

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it and it went from physical abuseto sexual abuse, and they spent fourteen
months deliberately coercing this out to makefalse statements against me as a result.
Prior to my original trial date,the boy recanted to his grandmother, who

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had custody of him. During theinvestigation, and stated to her that the
statements that he was making against mewere actually false, and that the investigator
at Chill the Services was coursing himto make these statements against me and convincing

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him that by doing so, hewas simply being a good boy. This
was my steps on, who,let me point out, was only four
years old and turned five during theinvestigation, and ultimately was five years old
when they put him on the standas a witness against me. Like I

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said, he recanted to his grandmotherprior to my original trial date. They
tried to cover it up, butthe information was revealed my wife during a
every ninety day custody hearing review andthe children's court levels and I contacted my

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attorney as a defense attorney about this, which in turn he contacted the prosecutor
to find out exactly what was goingon, and prosecutor turned around and lied
to my attorney and said that itnever happened. Then I got accused of
being a liar and lost a goodattorney through that. I told him I

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wouldn't didn't want him to defend meif he didn't, you know, if
he'd thought I was lying to him. So I ended up with a public
defender who turned out to be systempros tutor to the trial judge when the
trial judge was the prosecutor. Soit was all part of the good old
boy network. And once they thoughtthat their case had fallen apart on them,

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they offered me a plea deal.They wanted me to come down and
pleate guilty to one count of growthsexual imposition and promised me a two year
flat sentence and that I would alsobe released after thirty days on shark probation.
And I refused. They had alreadydestroyed my name, my father's name.

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My father and I had the samename. He was also a local
politician, and they just assumed Iwas going to come down there out of
fear of going to prison, togo down and cover their ass by pleading
guilty or lestric charge and making itall go away. And I wasn't going

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for that, so I went totrial. And after I down the road,
I found out that they went tothe extreme of the investigator Children's Services
went to the extreme of telling myfive year old son that if he didn't
continue saying that I had done theseterrible things to him, that his mother
would go to jail. And thathe'd never see her again. And we're

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talking about a five year old childhere. This is how deep, this
is, how corrupt and how evilthese politicians and the bureaucrats, these officers
of the law are you know whatI'm saying, especially when there's money online,
because you know, on the linehere, because five rights, I
should have been able to have thecharges dropped, and yes, let me

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file a suit against the county orthe state whatever for damages. You know,
because, like I said, forfourteen months they ran this investigation,
and at least once a month therewas something in the local paper with the
headline that started out as of Salem'ssafety director. You know, they destroyed
our name, they destroyed our reputation, and they weren't going to give that

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up. They were going to givethem they weren't going to open themselves up
to a lawsuit. And so theywent ahead and did the unthinkable and intimidated
my steps on to continue with thesefalse accusations. Uh uh, for fear
of losing his mother. And sohe went along with the program. And

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I ended up getting convicted and Iwas given the maximum sentence, which at
the time was ten to twenty fiveyears and I had no you know,
no prior record ever in my life, never been in trouble my life.
The judge denied a presense investigation becausehe already knew he was going to throw

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the book at me because I wentdown and I stood up to him.
So how did you spend in prison? I spent twelve years in prison.
I was eligible for parole after sevenwent after parole seven years. The pro
board told me that if I simplywould admit to GILP, they would let

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me go. And I said,no, I'm not doing that because if
I was just kind of came intosaying I did something that I didn't do
that I wasn't going to do that. I could have did that from the
get go and been and done thirtydays and been out of there. I
just I wasn't going to do it. I'd come this far, and here
it is thirty over thirty some yearslater, I'm still saying I was innocent

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because I am. My son recantedagain. Immediately after my conviction. My
wife and my father took my sonto the Ditah Forensics at Georgetown State University
to a child psychiatrists twenty two yearsin the field at the time interviewed my

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step son twice, and his reportsstated that the boy was not experiencing or
exhibiting any emotional trauma that he shouldhad he been brutally raped, as he
alleged on the stand in front ofa jury. So we went back into
court with that, and the childjudge ruled that it was obvious to him,

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without doing any research or looking intothis at all, it was obvious
to him that the boy was coercedinto recanning by his mother in an attempt
to get me out of prison.Now he wouldn't he would, And this
is what's agnorant about these judges.He didn't want to entertain the fact that

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the boy was initially coerced by professionals, but yet non professional his mother was
able to course his child supposedly intorecanting, and so that was in reality,
that was the second time the boyrecanted. Then he went on to

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recant another two times over the nextten years, which would make it three
times in open court, and recantthe same trial judge that he was coerced,
older more credible each time, andevery time the judge denied it,
saying that he believed his testimony.A trial was authentic. Now they appealed
to court judges. This was allpart of my appeal, and they just

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passed the buck. They said thetrial judge was in the best position to
rule whether or not the Greecannon testimonywas authentic or not. So I've got
recanted testimony prior to the trial,which they tried to cover up. I
passed not one, but three polygraphs, which they tried to intimidate me into.
I'd find out after the fact they'rethey're in and this avoid court,

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which they didn't tell me that becauseI didn't have the attorney. This was
all during the investigation. I tookthese polygraphs in good faith, hoping promised
by the prosecutor that if I passedthe polygraph they dropped the investigation and returned
to child, which they lied tome. I found out down the road
that the prosecutor was hoping that Iwould fail polygraphs, so even used against

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me in court. So what passed? How this get started with you sticking
up to this crime family? Well, the crime family was when I first
came out of the Navy. Igot involved with a woman whom a family
was organized crime uh in the Youngstownarea. And she pretty much used me

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for a place to stay. Letme believe that she loved me, and
in all reality, she was justusing me for a place to stay,
so she would have to drive backand forth from Youngstown down to my hometown
and Salem. Uh let me spendall kinds of money on her material things.

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And when I figured out she wasjust using me, I told her
to get out and dante take anythingwith her. But yet she took everything
I bought her, and I hadto go over there and threaten her in
front of a police officer to giveme my stuff back. And the next
thing I know, I was followedby Cadillacs and Lincoln's with New York plates

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and tinted windows, and biker gangfollowed me for a couple of weeks.
They were trying to intimidate me,and it finally it finally quit, died
down, but did five years downthe road. This goes public with these
accusations, and especially with my fatherbeing safety director in the paper, and
they had this. They had thiswoman in the court the very last day

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of the trial, which they didn'teven have her name on me witness listened
till the very last day of thetrial to testify against me as a character
witness, and my attorney was scaredof what she was going to say.
So the way the law works,that the defense doesn't put any character witnesses,

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understand then the prosecution can't do iteither. So the prosecution was able
to shut down any character witnesses thatI had lined up to testify in my
defense by bringing in this woman frommy past. So that's what told me
this whole thing was a payback fromthis organized crime family. So when these

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false allegations first popped up, youknow, five years after you woke up
with her, what was your reactionwhen they just all of a sudden,
you start seeing them? No,no, was seeing was seeing these these
New York cars. Yeah, likeyou said that, these cars started coming

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up, start appearing, and thenyou know, collegation started. No,
no, no, this was thiswas back. This was back when I
broke up with a woman and threatenedher and you know, pretty much ran
her out of town and then herthen uh then her father initiated these uh

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acts of intimidation. Back then.That was that was right after I had
gotten away from the woman and puther out of my apartment, and also
ran her out of my hometown.So then five years then five years down
the road, I'm in a differentrelationship, married to a different woman,
had two kids with her, andthen all of a sudden, now this
woman's back in the in the whyis this woman even in this situation?

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She has nothing to do with it. So, like I said, it
was a tactic by the prosecution.I had ten character witnesses lined up who
were all grown men who when Iwas in high school, I went to
a place called Camp Pitch as acabin counselor, and I was in a

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cabin with these boys who were allin the age bracket of seven eight years
old, and was along with themall weekend long, and we tracked all
these boys down to commit and testifyagainst I mean to testify a mighty half
that I had spent a weekend withthem and didn't make any type of sexual
advances or innuendos at any of them. And the prospector did not want these

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boys to come in and testify,so they brought in this Greek woman to
come in and testify against me.He has a character witness And like I
said, it seemed kind of shadythat she wasn't on the witness list until
the very morning last day of thetrial, and that was you know,

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my attorney was like, oh,we can't. We're not gonna be able
to put your character witnesses on astand because if we do this, she's
going to be allowed to testify.So you know what choice that I have.
You go with these people. You'reat their mercy because you don't know
the law. You don't know,you've never been to this before in my
situation, so I had to followthe advice of my attorney. And it's

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an hell of story, it reallyis. And here is all these years
down the road I've been out.I got out of prison in two thousand
and two, which that was liketwenty two years ago. Now you would
think if I was a real,if I really was a pedophile, you
would think I would have reoffended,so to speak. You know what I'm

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saying. So I don't know,I've got I had more evidence in my
favor going into trial that nothing hadever happened than they had to convict me.
All they had was the word ofmy son on a stand in front
of twelve people who were horrified ofwhat he was saying. I supposedly did
to him, Yet nobody was smartenough on that jury to realize, where's

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the physical evidence? If I supposehe had anal sex with this board for
months, then where's the physical evidence. The prosecution had the pediatrician committed testify
on a stand and says there wasno physical evidence, but sometimes there is
none. Bullshit? Right? Comeon? And then I find out years

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down the road that everybody on theevery every jury, remember on that on
my jury, all had a childin that age bracket. Oh man,
of course, listen. They pickedthey, I mean they they They lined
up all the moons and the starsto deliberately wrongfully convict me. It almost

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fell apart on him at the lastminute. Then they expected me to go
down there and cover their ass andclose the door on a counterchute for wrongful
arrests and everything and defamation of character, and try to get me to go
down and replete guilty or lesser charge. And I refuse. So what do
they do? They turn around andintimidate a five year old boy and tell

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him that if you don't keep sayingI did these things to him, that
his mother was going to go tojail and never see her again. That's
how evil that shit was. Yeah, I wish I was. I wish
I was making all this. Ohno, no, I understand. I
don't blame you, and you toldme that you'll all this missus false.

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It still follows you. Unfortunately,to this day, I've been I've been
punished more by a society than thanI did than I was spending twelve years
in print and removed from society.I've been harassed by local cops, neighbors.
I've had jobs and then they turnaround and saw that I was on
a sex funder website and was firedfrom the job. You know. I

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mean it's I've been punished more afterprison than I was actually when I was
in prison. Yeah. So I'vereached out to different I've reached out to
so many different attorneys over the yearsto try to help me figure out how
to go in there. I don'tI don't know if there's any recourse for
me. You know, people werelike, oh, it's too too much

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times go by. Bullshit. Idon't care. I don't care how much
time's gone by, the truth needsto be acknowledged. But they hold the
cards, you know what I'm saying, unless they unless somehow or another.
I mean, how do you forcethe legal system to acknowledge stuff that's actually
documented if they don't want to exactly? So what do you do? You

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know? So I've lived my bestlife. I turned pro as a horn
player and the singer was in there. I drove truck for years out here
is the only job I could getwas a driving truck because nobody wants to
hire a convicted child rapist, youknow what I'm saying. So despite everything

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I've been subjected to, I've livedmy best life. I chose not to
seek revenge. I chose not tobe disturbed. I chose to come home
and do whatever I could delive mybest life. And despite of everything that's
been thrown in my face and stillto today, I still have this hanging

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over my head that people think I'mthe lowest piece of shit on the planet.
But what made you decide to say, you know, I want to
keep calling out the system. Iwant to help out those who have been
wrongly connected. And you came upwith a whistleblowers So it means you decided
to do that because I'm qualified forone. Because all this did was educate

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me as to how just how corrupteveryone is in the system, and there's
other people that are still actually inthere who have they have no voice.
Uh, they haven't stand up forthem. So my way of therapeutic remedy

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for me is to stand up forpeople who can't stand up for themselves.
I make digital cartoons depicting the realitiesof everybody who's corrupt. Police officers who
kill an armed people, corrupt attorneys, judge, all of it, all

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of it, all of them.Anybody who is deserving of my time is
corrupt. They're great, like whatlike I'd like all of them, like
things for all of them. Ireally like the one. But Steve Marshall
k I V I love it well. They make it too easy to call

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them out because they're they There's somuch opportunity to point out what they do
and how they are because they youknow, they they they act like they're
untouchable, which pretty much they are, because what do you do? How
do you how do you go abouttrying to combat these people in the good

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old boy network because they you know, who do they answer to? You
know? And there's a little thingcalled qualified immunity, which is a joke.
Oh yeah, you know, Myfather used to say, attorneys have
a license to steal, while prosecutorshave a license to steal and kill and

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destroy. And they've executed innocent peoplebecause they don't care. They don't care,
they don't care. The people aresub human in my book, Oh
they have They have no soul,they have no conscience. Who's that guy
down there in Texas on death throwall these years? Obviously innocent? The

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woman got killed by the police officerex boyfriend who was incensed at her dating
a black man and killed her,and then they put it off on him.
You know, I can't recall aguy's name. I used to do
a lot of carpotoons for him abouthim too, you know. So look,
because I remember recently Texas executed aninnocent man that was Fete or twenty

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eight. I've been can't or can'twho are apologize mispronouncing his last name?
But but that, yeah, thatwas why word twenty eight And they Alabama's
up to execute another innocent and emailsand leave his death row all these years.

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My amate me thought went through RichardGlossop Okay in Oklahoma, who's been
there for twenty five years, hashad dine execution dates, nearly escaped,
Oh, execution itself three times.Oh. Last year he was in the

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death in the death house, butall he didn't he was like a week
away from execution. Fortunately got clamHall again. So that's where my mind
immediately went to him. The KennethSmith. I'm looking at my cartoons now,
Kenneth Smith was the guy that gasseduh down there. Governor Ivy had

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your bum Yeah, I remember kennSmith. Yeah, yeah, the cartoon
I made about her. My favoritepart of being governors not serving the needs
of the people, but killing.I have the power of the stop I
refuse to you know what I'm sayingthese the corruption goes all the way to
the top. We'll use Ivy asan example, since you're now Obama.

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There she You know these people,they they their perception of what society expects
out of them is to be hardon crime and to do what the will
of the people, regardless of whatthe truth is. You know what I'm
saying. They don't. You know, Okay, jury convicted this guy.

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Well what if the jury got itwrong. Well, we don't care.
I'm not going back and fix thisand jeopardize my career as a politician and
run the risk of getting ousted inoffice when I run for reelection. So
let the chip's ball where they may. I've already made it here. I've

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already made my millions of dollars underthe table with whatever lucrative kickbacks or under
the table bullshit. So I don'tcare. I really, you know this
is this is the mentality of thesepoliticians, and I don't They can come
to my house and do what theywant if they want to me. I'm
still gonna call it like I seeit because all these years I've been making

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these cartoons calling these people, well, I have yet to have Facebook shut
me down because all my cartoons,I'm not threatening anybody. I'm pointing out.
I'm pointing out to the obvious.I have a First Amendment right to
say what I want to say.I haven't threatened anybody. The reality of
my cartoons may be threatening because it'sexposed as the truth of the reality of

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what these people are and what theydo, but that's not a direct threat,
like hey, I'm going to dothis or that to you exactly.
So, when I first came inoffice, all she and our turney General
Seat Marshall All responsible for x kinand was who was coming the innocent?
I mean, he never pulled thetrigger, nothing, nothing, and they

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knew it still went through the execution. Sure, sure, because it's a
system. The legal system is aborg hide And who do you I mean
who polices the police? You've heardthat term? What you know? So
it's really sad. But in mysituation, like I said, I could

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have avoided going to prison if Iwould have just caved into what they tried
to make me out to be.But I wasn't going to do that.
And I'm still I'm sixty one yearsold and I was twenty five when I
went to prison, and they didn'tcare. They didn't care, they knew
I was innocent, But that wasn'tthe point. The point was they either
took money from this family, thisorganized crime family, to deliberately wrongfully convict

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me, or they had some kindof hold on them where they were controlled
by this organized family to uh dowhat they did to me as a payback
because I disrespected them by standing upto them. Right, that's my take
on what happened to me. Whatcouse your cartoons, they're people who were

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them who are like no ways ishappening. Yeah, but it did.
And see people don't. People areso naive because they've been citizens and taxpayers
their whole lives and unless this happensto them directly or someone in their family,
immediate family, they think it's all. They think people are prying wolf

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about this, but we're not.This is this happens every day. People
are still going to prison completely innocent, you know, And here's here's what
I'm Here's here's what people don't comprehend. People who are actually guilty, and
they know they're guilty, go downthere and cop a plea to minimize that.
They of how much time they're goingto do. But people that are

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innocent, they don't have a choicebut to go to trial, which that
pisses off the system. When you'vegot to make them spend the time and
the money to take you the trial. And then when they do everything and
every underhanded, dirty thing, falseevidence, manufactured evidence, witnesses that come
in and lie, that have beenintimidated to lie, They use every trick

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in the book to get you convicted. And then when they get that conviction,
then it's a done deal. Yougot nothing coming. You spend the
rest of your life either incarcerated,fighting the system, your appeals courts,
they don't care if you do getyour your conviction overturned is because you spend
all the money you ever had inyour life to win an over, you

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know, win overturn conviction. Butthen even on the prosecution, if your
conviction gets overturned, then the prosecutionis still turns right back around again,
regardless of whether they take your incidentor not and retry you again. And
what do they care. It's nottheir money, it's the taxpayer's money right

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here. Keeps doing this over andover, just some things allowing it.
It's a cycle. It's a cycle. And these people hide behind closed doors
and they get away with it.And you know, we've pointed out there
are a lot of people who justfeasibly because, like you said, unless

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it happen so so in their family. No, no, I've never seen
so it's no way. Oh well, you know people used to tell me,
oh, chuck, kids don't lie. They don't lie. Oh yeah,
they lie, but they also getintimidated by adults and manipulated as pawns.

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Yes, use and used as weapons. Now, my sexual uh accusation
and condition was used against me asa weapon as a payback. That's exactly
what happened to me. Aren't youworking with other people who have also been

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whistleblowers. Yes, I have awhistle blower who his name is frit Chambliss.
He's down there in Mississippi. Uh. He was a federal corrections officer
who uh turned whistle blower on whatwas going on within the federal prison system

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and directly calling out call that Peters, who's the director of federal Prisons.
You know, she came into officeand wanted to claim that she won't tolerate
whistle blower retaliation. Yet she won'teven entertain this guy's phone calls or emails,

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won't talk to him. We'll interviewthem. It's all a bunch of
smoke and mirrors with these people.They want the public, they want the
public to think that they're doing whatthey're in a position will put in the
position to do. But it's bullshit. They don't do that. They don't,
you know, they tell the publicwhat they want to hear. Exactly.
I've seen interviews of this woman calledthat Peters at a Senate a Senate

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hearing committee hearing, and they're askingher specific questions and she's like tripping all
over her or her conversation. Well, I don't have those numbers in front
of me at this time, orI'll get back to you on that.
It's all bullshits, you know whatI'm saying. It's all so how do

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you fight these people? All youcan do is talk about and publicly and
make other people aware of the situation. And that's what I do. That's
you know. Yeah. So whetheror not any change is actually her from
what I do or what Fred does, uh, remains to be seen.

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These people are like a secret society, you know. They control everything they
control, uh, you know,qualified immunity keeps them from being liable for
anything they've done. You know,I'd like to go and ursue the county
I'm from for coercion my son andintimidate him to make false statements against me,

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but no attorney in the world willtouch it because he's part of the
system. He's part of the They'reall they're all part of the system.
It's a borg hive, so youknow, and you know, some people
that are not as strong willed orminded as I've been came home prison,

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had a prison disturbed and feeling desolateand with nothing to lose, and then
walk in, walk up on people, just shoot point blank, just kill
them because they they pushed to thatpoint. And guess what I'll say it
here line on this radio station.These people deserve that, they deserve to

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be shot on site because they've destroyedtens and thousands of people's lives and families
and the fabric of society. Andfor what for money, for prestige,
for climb into political ladder, Iclimb of a career politician, you know

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what I'm saying. And they mustnot believe in God because all these moves
that they've made their whole lives toclimb to political leadder. They act like
God doesn't exist, like there's notgoing to be any retribution on the other
side down the road for all thelives they have destroyed, all the innocent
people they've executed. Oh exactly,Well they will have to answer to this.

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Well, I'm scared of God,I really am. You know what
I'm saying, people on his planet, I'm not scared of it. You
can kill me all you want.You only get to do it once if
you do, and I'll be ina better place as it happens they create.
I'm a product of my oppressors.I'm gonna say it like that.

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How do we help support you allalong with your music, but also helping
you with you know, getting theword out because what you're doing is so
important. I'd like to find somewhere, maybe on the federal level, somebody
out there who could look in mycase and try to figure out how I

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can get back into court. Youknow, they have another thing that helps
to keep them shielded from any retribution, and it's called statue of limitations.
You know what I'm saying. So, my last final appeal was in two
thousand and two, and when Igot out of prison, the Seventh District

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Court of Appeals here in Ohio deniedmy appeal. And then when I got
out of prison, I was soexhausted from doing all that much time,
plus I had no money to tryto pursue it any further. So all
my legal remedies up to that point, there's nothing else I could do because

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by law, since I haven't triedto do anything or pursue it any further,
then my time is over. Youknow, as far as the system
concerned, they have nothing. Igot, no I got nothing coming nothing.
So, like I said, Idon't know. This may be my
only avenue for any kind of remedy, And that's for being an advocate and

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supposedly a whistleblower if you want toquote it like that. I just point
now what these people are and whothey are and what they do, so
that people will either be educated orbe offended one of the two. The
people that are offended by my cartoonsare probably the ones that the cartoons are
actually about. So yeah, andwe asked everyone else keeps sick speaking out,

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you know when you see cartoons suchas his share of them and educate
people, let them know this ishappening. This is happening every day,
every day. Yes, And likeI said, my biggest thing is for
speaking out is that there are stillpeople in there that will probably maybe never

(37:45):
get out because they refuse to saythey were guilty or the fact that they've
already been convicted. The system doesn'tcare if you If you win an appeal
in the courts, it's after yearsand years and years of waiting and waiting
and waiting, and then if theydo overturn your convention, it's on some

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it's it's only because of some techlegal technicality which still leaves the original prosecution
or a prosecuting county to go andtake you back into trial and do it
again. Yep. They expect peopleto be worn out by losing their perseverance.
You know, I'm not one ofthem. I'm not one of them.

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As long as I still have talentto put these cartoons together and breadth
of my lungs to say, hey, this is what's going on in the
world, I'm gonna keep doing it. And that's why we need everyone.
You know, see someone who's gota page, anything someone post about for
us who's been wrong with the convicted. It's it's important to what every one

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of those voices, you know,see it a petition, whatever, a
video, all those voices have.Another individual I befriended. He's a boldman
in Alabama with a guest that guyto death the first time, and him

(39:14):
and I correspond on a regular basis. I support him financially and emotionally.
We talk all the time. Whatdrew my attention to him was that he
takes care of these kiddies, thesewild kiddies that are on the property,
and so I send him money everymonth to help him feed these cats,

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you know, as an example,and I encourage him and I'm very encouraging
with him. And he's got hisown following on the on the internet with
what he does and who he is. You know, he's a Christian,
a strong believer, and he's anotherone that isn't afraid to stand up and
say, hey, this is wrong, and hey, this is what's going

(39:58):
on and what can you know?What can people do out here to be
enlightened as to what's going on inthese Alabama prisons. It's it's so scary
the way they dog these inmates outand beat them down, medical neglect.
You know, these guys they giveyou a prison number for a reason.

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You're not yourself anymore. You're nothingbut a number to the system anymore.
I wasn't Hank Willard. I wastwo o seven five by two all the
whole time I was in there.It's nothing person of them. It's all
about the money, it's all aboutclimbing the ladder, it's all about getting

(40:44):
re elected. They don't care whoselife they destroy, they don't care whose
families they decimate, they don't care. They have no conscience. These are
sub human beings to do what theydo. When I talk about Keith Elson,
the Attorney general's Minnesota, and thathe was timth mcgruder's polk defender,

(41:07):
how much he's railroaded him, andTithy mcgree was, or know who he
is. I've been advocating for himfor three years. But when people find
out it was Keith Elson, alllove and are surprised because he's painted at
this progressive and he's not absolutely not. Listen, these people that do these

(41:28):
things, and once they get foundout or exposed for what they've done,
they turn around and continue to lie. They continue to conceal anybody that stands
up to him. They try todestroy their reputation publicly. Uh and uh

(41:51):
discredit them and say that, ohhe's crazy, he's a liar whatever.
You know what I'm saying. They'rethe cowards these people are. These people
were nothing more than cowards. Secretsocieties they live in the dark. These
free Masons, these prosecutors and judges, they're all free Masons. Those are

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all Statan worshipers. Lets you doyour homework on who these people are and
these clubs that they're associate with thatpeople don't know. They're thinking, Oh,
this guy's got a ninety seven percentcondition. Ray, Well, guess
why, you know why? Becausethey convicted us and people that won't go

(42:35):
down and copemclete with them, That'sexactly why. And they line up false
witnesses and they manufactured false evidence.But the jurys they don't know this stuff
is false evidence. They don't knowthese witnesses that the prosecution brings in are
rehearsed liars. They don't know that. In my case, like I said,

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everybody on my jury all had achild in that bracket. So they're
looking at this five year old ona stand saying, oh, this guy
he did this to me, andthis that and the other, and in
sense and infuriated these people because theypictured that that was their child on the
stand. Right, They convicted mewith in less than an hour. Oh

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Man, Yeah, we wentcose tothe person you were all of course flying
with and Holman, is there anyway we can follow him what he's doing?
Support him. His name is BernardJemison, and he is constantly and

(43:45):
I don't know how they do it. You didn't have a cell phone when
I was in prison, you knowwhat I'm saying, Mark Fast cell phones
didn't even come out till right beforeI got out of prison. I got
in the car that picked up whenI was released by my sister, and
she handed me a cell phone andsaid, somebody wants to talk to you
and I and I said, well, what is this? Yeah, yep.

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So But anyhow, going back tomister Jamison Bernard, Uh, he's
constantly on there with his videos onhis page, and he's revealing video of
officers beating inmates, beating them up, just you know, pounding on them,

(44:31):
and some of them end up dead, you know. And you've got
other inmates in there that are indire need of medical attention and they just
let them die, you know.And then next thing I know, then
I see articles in the paper abouthow inmates bodies were returned to their families
missing organs. There's another evil thinggoing on down there, uh, that

(44:55):
I see in these Alabama prisons.So what's going on, Ivy? What's
going on? Jay? Why areyou not looking into this shit? Why?
Because you have a blind eye.Matter of fact, you have two
blind eyes, and the profiting offit, so they don't care. They
don't care, they don't care.She's sitting in the governor's mansion with her

(45:21):
security detail and no ways contented herand she's just sitting there counter money and
waiting for the day she retires andshe can travel the world and live her
lavish lifestyle because of all the moneyshe amassed by all the crooked deals she
did. And you know what,Kaate, fuck you, Ivy, I

(45:42):
don't care, I don't care.I puy Marshall. Yeah, Steve Marshall
too. You know it's sad,it really is. And this is why
Americans in the state that it is, because he's prosecutors and he's a corrupt
judges and prosecutors and lawyers and judges. They've done nothing but exploit society for

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personal gains and they've destroyed they've destroyedthe fabric of society because they're corrupt and
they don't and they don't care.They don't care. We need to care,
We need to talk about this,We need to demand better and keep
demanding because again, these are ourtax safe we're paying your salaries. But

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they don't look at it like that. They think they control everything, and
you know, they're quick to spendour money. Uh what they're bullshit?
And who do they have the answerto each other. It's like some of
these police officers. You know whatI'm saying, Uh, what's what's that

(46:50):
term? Uh? The blue wall? Oh yeah, the thin blue wall.
Yeah yeah. And you know theonly thing that's really starting shed light
on what these cops are actually doingout there are these bodycams exactly. And
even then you got to fight themtoo and now and have a judge order

(47:12):
them to release these bodycam footage orwe would never know exactly what did happen
in some of these situations. Okay, friend of mine had to and her
failing had to fight tooth and nailedto get the body camp funds released so
off something that I don't want toreveal too much at all, but but
something that happened to her cousin.They really had to fight the police in

(47:37):
order to get the bodycamp folds released. They do what they want, They
get away with whatever they can,and ninety nine percent of the time they
get away with it. You lookat the look at the count look at
the rank and county, goold squad, Look look what they did, and

(48:00):
that would have been covered up toohadn't been for body cam footage. I
make cartoons about them I'm surprised thatthey even got arrested. To be honest
with you, I think maybe theyhad to give this, They had to
give it the public something. Ithink the good Squad was just a sacrificial

(48:20):
lamb to try to convince the publicthat, hey, we're not going to
tolerate this here, We're going toarrest these guys of Goodman Prison. So
what about the other tens of thousandsof situations? What about all the bodies
that are hidden in the Pauper's Graveand what about that? I keep watching
for that to reveal itself as towho's going to be held responsible for that.

(48:46):
That woman had no idea her sonwas buried there, got hit by
an off duty police officer who wasdrunk in a police cruiser, and they
just buried his body out there andnever said anything about it. I'm not
for sure exactly how that reality ofwhat happened that guy came to light,
but that's what happened. Yeah,you've got an offeeling police officer down there

(49:09):
in Jason. I made a cartoonabout it. If you'd like to kill
people get away with it, jointhe Jackson Police Department. So thank you
for going on the show, youknow, like best thing I can tell

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everyone. It's just like I saidin every episode, keep sharing all because
this is helping more of the people'seyes are open to it. I see
that people are getting angrier and withthat and demanding better, more likely something's
going to happen. Because nothing's goingto happen. Oh if we sit back,

(49:51):
because we've been sitting back for thislong and look where we've gotten to.
Yeah, you know, we've beensilent for years, for decades,
and then the meantime, more andmore people's lives are destroyed and there's no
there's no retribution, there's no accountability, there's you know what I'm saying.
So it's just like these people doingit whatever they want and get away with

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it. Where's that federal prison theyshut down out in California that all those
women were constantly being raped and beatendown and they went in there and they
arrested everybody, find me the wardenand a whole bunch of brass. Was
that Dublin, California, Dublin prisonsomething like that. This corruption is nationwide

(50:35):
and and a lot of people arestarting to say, hey, this is
bullshit. We're not going to putup with this. We want some we
want some accountability here, and theygo after it and people are starting to
get it. They're starting to getaccountability, and they're starting to get arrest
made in exposure to what's going onin these prisons. Fency, Alabama.

(50:59):
It's real here a gun in Alabamaand it's some southern states. You know,
that racist mentality has been there fordecades. Oh yeah, Manton.
Right now, Georgia, Henry County, Matthew Baker, who is all on
trial, faced the death penalty.He didn't do it. In fact,

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the person who did it has alreadybeen like in prison. He did it.
It was me, not Matthew.But Matthew is still up for the
death penalty. Nothing connects them tothe crime. But you know they still
have him facing a death penalty becausehe's a black man. Yeah, and
they don't want to admit that toany wrongdoing to gut him there in the
first place, because that'll make themsusceptible to being run out of office.

(51:45):
Exactly. That's how evil these fuckingpeople are. Excuse my language, No,
I understand. Yeah, I'm angry. I'm angry, but I also
have composure. I also keep myintegrity. I have yet to retaliate.

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I've got neighbors around here that havecalled the cups army over the years,
trying to run me out of here. I've got local police department that harassed
me for years until I finally wentdown and stood up to them and told
them that I'm not going to toleratethis anymore. And they finally left me
alone once they realized I wasn't goinganywhere and that I wasn't intimidated by them.

(52:32):
And I wanted to let you knowI stand behind you. Voices by
bar stand behind you, and Ijust know when my listeners said they will
stand behind you as well. AndI want asked where can I find you
all on social media so they cankeep supporting you and help spread the word.
I'm right there on Facebook under myname Hank Willard w I l Ards

(52:55):
how I spelled my last name.I have hundreds of videos on YouTube under
my name me performing. I wentin prison mediocre high school marching band,
trombone player, and a choir singer. And by the time I got out
twelve years later, I had taughtmyself that the trumpet and the trombone,

(53:19):
So I'm now a professional multi hornedplayer, lead vocalist. I ran all
the way to Harlem, New Yorkand sang on Showtime di Apollo, trying
to get discovered, and I washoping to get discovered through that venue,
and then I would have access tothe media and say, hey, I
honed this talent when I was inprison. For some that never even happened.

(53:44):
So, but that's too little.Take those videos out and share those
as well. Absolutely, absolutely so. Over twenty years of being released from
prison, my work record, myperformance record, it all speaks for itself.
I've done nothing. I've done nothingwrong. Matter of fact, I've
accomplished more all the years I've beenout of prison than I did ever prior

(54:07):
going to prison. All this didwas all this did was put gas in
my tank. He killed you.Yep, Yeah, all this did all
they All they did was educate meas to how corrupt they are, which
gave me the knowledge to talk aboutit and speak about it to my cartoons.

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I go out and perform that soundgood, I look good, and
they can't take that from me.That they did. They cannot take my
accompliment, amplish accomplishments away from me. Short of them coming after me with
some more false accusations somehow, whichyet they have yet to be I think
they're a little more intimidated by menow than they were before because I'm not

(54:52):
afraid. I'm not I'm not afraidto say, Hey, this is who
you are, this is what youdo, and I want everybody in the
world to just paying attention to knowit. So that's who, That's who.
Hank Willard is amplete and I absolutelyadmire you for it as supporting you

(55:12):
one hundred percent. Again, everyoneplease show me your support as well.
Again he's very deserving of it.Hank. We thank you for coming on
here, and everyone please keep spreadingthat word. Show me afraid of inside
the cat Foodstacke. Not every lightis kind and call you baby? Does

(55:35):
that a very nice back. Keepit close to your house. I love
the preshious kind of shave you krazybecause you are to the madness in the
morning. He's all kind of itis showing me afraid of it, say
bect fool Stacke. Not every ladis kind and guide you. Yeah,

(56:00):
when I blow up, I'm gonnasaw a highlight see the pan in real
life. Be living aut my dreamsI I'm waking up into a forest land,
whole wrist covering up in Ice dealershipnever asked the price