September 17, 2024 • 63 mins
In this compelling episode of Voiceless Behind Bars, Sarah sits down with celebrity trainer and martial arts instructor Ramiro Russell for an inspiring and deeply personal interview. Ramiro opens up about his journey, not only as a fitness expert and public speaker but also as a survivor of domestic abuse. He bravely shares the story of how his abuser set him up, leading to his wrongful imprisonment—a topic that resonates deeply with the mission of this podcast.
Ramiro discusses how he overcame these struggles and now uses his platform to help others, proving that our situations don't define us—we define our situations. From his work training NBA players to his ongoing efforts as a corporate wellness speaker and anti-bullying advocate, his story is one of resilience and transformation.
Please note, there is a brief mention of his anti-vaxx stance during the conversation. While Sarah respects diverse viewpoints, she encourages all listeners to get vaccinated and adds a trigger warning at the start of the episode for this reason.
You can find various ways to support Ramiro and follow his journey through his social media: allmylinks.com/r2facts.
Additionally, we offer valuable resources on domestic violence prevention and support, especially for male and LGBTQ+ survivors:
Thank you for tuning in to this powerful and heartfelt episode. Together, we continue to advocate for justice and healing.
Ramiro discusses how he overcame these struggles and now uses his platform to help others, proving that our situations don't define us—we define our situations. From his work training NBA players to his ongoing efforts as a corporate wellness speaker and anti-bullying advocate, his story is one of resilience and transformation.
Please note, there is a brief mention of his anti-vaxx stance during the conversation. While Sarah respects diverse viewpoints, she encourages all listeners to get vaccinated and adds a trigger warning at the start of the episode for this reason.
You can find various ways to support Ramiro and follow his journey through his social media: allmylinks.com/r2facts.
Additionally, we offer valuable resources on domestic violence prevention and support, especially for male and LGBTQ+ survivors:
Thank you for tuning in to this powerful and heartfelt episode. Together, we continue to advocate for justice and healing.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:40):
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Speaker 4 (00:42):
How you doing, Okay, Welcome to the horses, Fine barn, I'm
your home. And I have got my friend Ramirio Ruffle here,
and I'm so excited to have one here. I've been
meaning to do that for a while and finally, but
what to say? I got my schedule line, my adhd
(01:02):
a line. He's here. Could you please introduce yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I love it. My name is Romelo Russell, living here
in Scottsdale, Arizona, and I'm just so thrilled to be
on your show. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I'm glad you're here and Okay, we're gonna switch tone
suddenly and we're gonna rip the band aid.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
All just do it, Just do it now.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
You were wrongfully convicted of domestic violence, which you were
a survivor.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Correct, that is correct.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You uh take us through that as best you can
from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
From the beginning. So I met my extrange wife who
in the late the early nineties, and it was a
whirl went from the beginning. I didn't really think too
much about it. So, like I said, you met at
the club in Oakland, California. We got together, we met
and were married within like eight months. It was beautiful
(02:03):
from the beginning. But there was some warning, some warning
signs that I chose to ignore, and I just I
just chose to ignore the warning signs when everybody or
everything was telling me to leave. I didn't really know
I was being abused or in this situation until they
got more physical. First it was just verbal. It went
(02:26):
from you know, taking my keys, you know you can't
leave or you can't come in, to being like physically
hit like I was stabb by her. Was I was
hitting a hand with the camel's big holder, just caused stitches.
I was in the house hospitalized, But again I chose
to ignore the signs and not tell anybody because you
(02:46):
and I spoke earlier. But if you googled domestic violence statistics,
over thirty thirty twos or thirty five percent of the
victims are men, and they don't talk about it because
it almost I felt it blimmes for masculinity, right. I
felt tarnished, I felt dirty, I felt wrong, like how
(03:07):
does all loll this that happen? And I was desperately
trying to fix it, and it wasn't until I think
I was. I think it was my second suicide attempt
because I was depressed. I went from like maybe one
seventy to like one twenty fifteen pounds. In the hospital,
(03:28):
my psychiatrist therapies came in and they told me that
you have the characteristics of a battered woman. And I
didn't know what that meant until later on when they
said they read the case studies about men like me,
but never have seen one. So it was it was
very traumatic to aalue with that and to process that
(03:49):
and to look at myself in the mirror, like and
to question myself if that makes any sense, like now
I understand I understand when women can't leave there, like,
I get it now. And I think it took me
to remove myself from the situation, to actually see myself
in a hole and to categorize myself in the same
(04:12):
situation that these other women go through. I didn't really
realize that, but like I can, I can walk you
through each step, each phase, and how I got out
of it. But that's pretty much it. In a nutshell,
how I got convicted with this, I'm gonna just jump
into it. So she was a lawyer involved in unethical activity,
(04:36):
and you got to think back in those days, there
was no there's really no self. There were cell phones,
but they weren't as technologically sound as they are now.
People had like blackberries, you know the this was before
the Side. Well, no, this is I think Winterside Kid
was about to come out. You know how people keep
journals and how they document things on the laptop. So
(04:58):
she wrote everything down in her laptop, detailed like records,
named figures, and I just happened to come across it.
I'm like, and I questioned her, like, hey, what is this?
And I remember her looking at me and she's saying
saying that I knew too much, she told me. She says,
I can't kill you, but I can make you a
(05:19):
life of living. Hell, I'm like, what are you gonna do?
And she says, I'm the prominent lawyer. You're just a
lab tech who works in the hospital. All I have
to do is scream who are they gonna believe me
or you? And I was like shocked, Like, she ain't
gonna do anything. You know, we have arguments here and there,
but we gonna work this out. So fast forward. A
few weeks go by. She comes home and she says
(05:43):
the house is a mess, which it wasn't. And I'm like,
what are you talking about? And she's throwing stuff off
the counters. She's wailing herself up against the doors. She's
slamming and she's breaking and I'm watching her. I thought
it was the movie. I don't mean to laugh now,
but I can laugh at it now. But oh yeah,
there was a movie called A Thin Line Between Love
and Hate with Martin Martin. I lived that. So anyway,
(06:07):
so she's throwing stuff. You hear in the background the
sirens come up. Some of them ust have called the cops.
I would have too, So the police knocking the door boom,
boom boom. I opened the door and they were like,
what's going I said, I don't know what's wrong. Waters
they arrest me, of course, because they look at this,
you know, six foot one tall, black Puerto Rican dude.
Of course I'm guilty, so they take me down. She
(06:29):
builds me out, like within hours, she buils me out.
We drive home in silent, and then she said when
we parked, now you belong to me. Nothing that you
can say or do will get you out of this
because now your credibility is shot. And I'm like wow.
And that happened several occasions after that. If she didn't
(06:52):
like what I said or like what I did, you know,
she would push me. She would hit me, and then
she would say, I'm scream I'm gonna call the cops.
So I would living in sears. I was afraid, and
then she would use, oh, your cousins are trying to
hit on me, your brothers want me, everybody likes me. Yeah, yeah,
everybody wants me. So I isolated myself from the family.
(07:16):
And going back to what the doctor said about I
had the characteristics of a battered woman. I see it. Now,
you protect your attacker. You make excuse excuses, they isolate
you from family and friends. I was that I was depressed.
I was in my own thoughts. And then then it
got worse when the tacks got more often like she
(07:40):
would frequently throw things at me, or she would frequently
go in the kitchen and like threaten me with things.
And then I think I found my courage, Sarah. I
think I found my courage. One day, I was like,
you know, I'm leaving you, and then she was like,
how dare you try to leave me? And you'd be
better for the next person. Didn't know what that meant
to be. So again I'm walking out, I'm leaving, and
(08:05):
again she like, no, don't leave me. I'm up, what
are we going to do? We're two misfits. We can
make this work. And I'm like, so then I go
back and I think the last straw was when she
stabbed me again and I was hitting the head when
I was bleeding. It was raining that day, because I
(08:26):
just needed evidence, because I felt at the time no
one believed me that this five foot one woman was
jumping on me. Because I remember I told I think
I told a friend of mine, or I think I
told my cousin, and they laughed at me, like, really,
this little, tiny, petite woman is jumping on you. I'm
like yeah, and you know, man, but just grab her.
(08:48):
And I'm like, no, I can't do that, that's wrong.
So they were like, well, you put yourself in that situation, man,
figure how to get out. Nothing like like okay, you're
talking about ripping the band aid off. They're like throwing
salt on the wounds. So anyway, I'm stabbed, I'm bleeding
from my legs and my head. I'm walking downstairs and
(09:09):
it just so happened. Ironically, the landlady was showing because
it was in a condo apartment. They were showing the
i think one of the units to some people and
she was just major to heat out of here. I know,
I must have been embarrassing to see somebody bleeding running
down the stairs. So I was kind of belated because
I was like, okay, now I got proof. So I'm
(09:30):
walking down the street. It's raining in my thoughts and
I kept saying, now I can die in peace, because
I was just gonna walk until I just passed out.
And there was a woman on the counter counter on
her porch, and I was like, look, can you call
my doctor and just tell them I'm not crazy. I
can die in peace. She'll come here. So I'm blessed,
but I'm out of a criminal. And she says, no, no,
it's okay. I got criminals in my family. I said no,
(09:52):
I'm not a criminal. I'm like, can you just give
me some elk? So she called. She called the hospital
nine one. Thing. It took me to the hospital. I
took a statement and they were like, okay, do you
want us to charge her? I said no. I said no,
this will blemish her, her chance, her lawyer career. I
(10:13):
don't want to do that. And they said we're going
to keep you. So they kept me fifty one to
fifty because I was, you know, a threat to myself.
I go to the hospital and then they're like, okay,
you cannot be around this woman because nothing like this
has happened until you two got together. I had no records.
I had prided myself I'm never being arrested, and you
(10:35):
got to think I was. Let me say, I'm fifty
five now. I was twenty four when we met. Never
been arrested, never been arrested at maybe two speeding tickets
that's it. So my interactions with the law was like
Neil and I was living in Oakland, California, and it's
some hot spots. So and I prided myself. So after
(10:59):
I was in the system, I'm like, what's really going on?
So when I get out the hospital, they're like, you
cannot have any contact with her because she writes this letters.
This woman is psychotic is what they used. So I
remember going to my boss's house and I was like,
I'm ready to get help, and I'll never forget what
(11:22):
he said. I see. He said, are you sure. I'm
like yeah, And I used this to this day. He says,
I don't believe you. I said, why do you say that?
He says, you'll be back with her in three days
because you like the abuse, you keep going back to it.
I'm like wow, wow. So I really listen to what
he said about how I liked it. I'm like, wow,
he said, because you keep going back, you keep putting
(11:44):
yourself in a situation. And I know that was beyond
tough love. I know he was really trying to help.
So what I did was I'm gonna prove you wrong.
I'm not going back to her. So what did I do.
I went to the police station, and this is all
in the rerecord. I said, I want to civil standby.
I haven't seen her in a few weeks. I've been
(12:06):
staying at my boss's house because you got to think
I was on. I was gonna leave a bapsince, you know,
just trying to get myself right. Skinny is all get
up and they say, oh, come on and come in.
They said, tell us about it. I said, I haven't
seen my wife about a week or two. You know,
I'm want to get my things and I want to
leave and get my life back together. And they were
asking me questions only someone had real made to them.
(12:30):
They were asking me questions about taxes. I'm like, I
did our taxes, but how did you guys know that?
And they were like, doll, you keep telling us more.
I said, okay, she's a patent and taxation lawyer. And
they were like, okay, tell us about tell us about
tell us more about the taxes. And I'm like, you
guys ask me way too many questions. Am I under arrest?
(12:52):
And they kind of paused and looked at me in
this much perplexed look and they're like, yeah, I said,
for what the like she called because they said you threatened.
I said, I haven't seen her in two weeks. So
they arrested me. I go to county and I didn't
come home until two years later.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, and what did they convict you on? What was
it like? They they said, you threatened her, But what
was the conviction.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
The conviction was domestic violence initially it was initially it
was theft because I took the disc of everything that
she and her law firm were talking about. So and
I'm like, theft, and she says, yes, according to the law,
theft even if we are living together, we are cohabitating
husband and wife. If you steal my property and you
(13:47):
take it and you use it for your own use,
that's the definition of after theft. I didn't know the law.
You know, she threatened me. Used to this mumbo jumbo
law terminology. So of course it's not freaked out, give
it back and then we go to the perenimpinary hearing.
So keep in mind, I'm in jail for the past three.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Maybe three weeks, four weeks at least.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
A good month. Deliberinate comes. I have a public defender,
get this. I'm freaking out. I'm like flip bro she's
gonna rip you up. And he's like, man, come on, man,
I do this for a living. I'm like, no, she's sharp.
He was like, I'll determine how sharp she is. I'm like, okay.
So she comes in with a cane and she comes
(14:34):
in with this little bill crow cast on her legs.
I'm like, what the flip. I'm like, I haven't seen
it over a month. How is she How is she
looking like that? I'm like, come on. So I'm almost
like I wanted to laugh, but I was like, what's
this is a movie? So she's coming in, It's like
a movie right here. Yeah, So in resc I know
(14:54):
the listeners. Even when I tell this story and people
look at me like this can't be true. I'm like, yes,
I've got caught documents. And they were like you need
to write a book, or if this needs to be
a make for TV movie because this sounds like a movie.
So anyway, she comes in and he looks at me,
my public defender, and now he's getting serious. He was like,
(15:17):
some I'm not right. He said, what does she work?
I said, she works in San Francisco. He said, well,
do you guys live else? Rito. He says, okay. He
asked her how many freeways does it take for you
to get to your to your destination? She says about three.
Man He says, okay, he listened to me. He says,
what kind of car does she have? I said a
Monster MX six. He says five speeder? Is a manual?
(15:39):
Or is automatic? I said it's a five speed? He
was like, we got it. They after, how are you
changing gears? She this is? She said, I pushed the
clutch in with my cane and I ship with the
other hand. No, no, listen to that. I pushed the
(16:02):
king this question with my king, and I ship with
the other hands. What hand is on the steering wheel? Ah, y'all,
I'm thinking they bought that. Yeah, we're going to trial.
I'm like, what, So she was, but she's not dead,
I don't think, but she's The judge was a black woman,
(16:24):
and my ex wife was actually black and Japanese mixed,
So I think when the woman saw me, she's like, yeah,
just I'm gonna help you. Don't even worry about it. Yeah,
they believed it with the trial, so of course I
fired my public defender, got a real lawyer, spent a
lot of money going back and forth. He did all
he could. I mean even in court records, you know.
(16:46):
He jumped up and said, why are you guys protecting her.
It's almost like you guys are deliberately trying to send
an innocent into jail. It's in the transcript. So anyway,
I'm five forward now, so I'm in county. They sent
me to Saint Quentin's initially on a ninety day observation.
That's a whole scam. So courts have what's called ninety
(17:09):
day op where they send someone who's never been arrested
or never been pretty much causing the problems to jail.
They send me to prison on the ninety day observation
to see if you can conform to being institutionalized. So
they sent me. So I'm in san quent for ninety days.
So during that ninety day period we talked to the psychiatrists.
(17:30):
They deem if you are safe for yourself, safe with
the environment, and they analyze everything. I have his records too.
The psychiatry was like, he shouldn't even be here. He's educated,
he got caught up in the wrong woman. He gravitates
towards strong opinionated dominating women, which in turn they used
(17:51):
that to manipulate him. I'm like, man, he's breaking me down.
So I recommend he'd be released and sent home immediately.
So just dude, no, you good, you you conformed, You
didn't have any So I guess in that ninety day
opt what I was told by criminals. They said, no,
you wasn't supposed to be peaceful. You're supposed to be
(18:13):
causing habits, throwing stuff and like being like, oh, disruptive
and like a I can't take it. I'm like no,
because they already think I'm violent. If I act out,
they're gonna be like see, see see I told you.
I'm like, I'm I'm not a violent person. That's just
not me. So fast forward, they send you back to
saraon Quentin Man San Quentin to do the rest of
(18:36):
my turn. I mean, I was facing two to five,
so I spent so much time in county. I go
back to saraan Quinton. I'm there for like another eight
to nine months. Then they send me to Susanville, which
was a lower level prison. Susanville is border I think
(18:57):
it's border California and Nevada. Way up there. I think
they're about to close its soon if I'm not mistaken.
So anyway, that was the first time I was in GP,
which is general population like dorm living. Because San Quentin
it's just you in a celling and you're locked in
a cell which is nine by six twenty three out
(19:17):
of twenty four hours a day, you want to come
out for an hour for food, for whatever, food and
a recreation. So then going back to San Quentin, I
know I'm kind of all over the place.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I'm just trying to I'm.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Trying to give you all In the one I received
a letter from a woman named Denise Kendall, and I
know I'm saying these names that heple gonna google. I
challenge you. I want people to do that. Denise Kendall,
she was for the Appellate Appellate Courts in California. Letter
comes in San Quentin. It says, I read about your case.
(19:54):
You should have never went. I'm gonna get this overturned
as if you never went. Just sign he I thought
it was BS. So I looked at my celly. It
was like, what is this man? I never broke this
woman don't even know who she is. This is some BS, right,
should I find it. He looked at me and was like,
you ain't got nothing else to do. What you're gonna do?
(20:16):
I'm like, yeah, you right. If I find it, send
it off. Another month or two goes by. Don't work
for her, do hit from her until I got out.
So I got out and I'm on parole. I have
this big, big black parole office. Big dude. He gives
me a hug. His whole office looks at me, like,
(20:37):
why is he hugging you? You don't hug people read
about your case. Man, you got set up. Man, You're
gonna be good because you're not like my typical you
know client, You're not on drugs, educated, you're smart, You're
gonna be You're gonna be fine. Dude. You gotta do.
You be off in no time. I'm like cool. He
gets transferred to a different department. I get this European descent, gentleman,
(20:59):
I keep it that way. He was like, I don't
care what the court say, as far as I'm concerned.
You a minute to society. If you jaywalk, I'm gonna
send you back to do the rest of your turn.
I'm like, oh, so I was freaking out. So yeah,
I got another letter from Denise Kendall. And you know
what I should have I should have been more prepared.
(21:20):
And no, it's not good anyways, it said, Rinthy is ours.
They now have ninety days to retry you, as if
you know to do it all over again. Just do
what you gotta do and I'll fight for you. In
the background, I'm like, perfect. Ninety days go by again,
(21:40):
Still don't hear from her, and then I get a
third letter from her. She says, I don't think you
get my correspondence. She said, they denied retrying your case.
This means your conviction is now overturned. It's been reversed,
as if you never went Congratulations. I'm like, day, whoa,
I'm still in a parole right. Take that letter to
(22:01):
my para officer. I was like, yeah, look see I'm done.
He was like, yeah, I knew. I'm like, when did
you find out? He said, I found out three months ago?
Remember the ninety days. I'm like, why didn't you tell me?
Why didn't you call me? He said, because I wanted
you to sweat because that never happened. Congratulations, somebody's looking
out for you. I'm like, wow, So I stayed in
(22:23):
California for a while, was just was. I was no
longer depressed, I was I was no longer depressed, I
was no longer angry. I think the emotion I felt
now was like, hmm, I'm gonna figure this puzzle out.
I'm like, I'm almost like, how bare they? Okay? What
(22:46):
can I do? So I looked at the judicial system
in California, put the three stretcher out. I saw how
they manipulated the system. I saw some good how you know,
you can take someone who was wrong for the convicted,
if they're in the right situation with the right person
back in, then they can get them cleared. But still,
California left a bad taste in my mouth. And I
was born in California, was born in San Francisco. Yeah,
(23:09):
so I stayed in California for like, maybe let me see,
two years, because I was in ninety six, ninety eight.
Yeah I left. Yeah, I left a year almost two
years later because I moved to Texas in ninety nine,
two thousand. Yes, that's what it was. So I left Texas.
(23:32):
I me in California, which is tired, and I'm like,
I can't do it. I'm done. So get this the
moment I moved to Texas in fat in my life
being turbulence or full of turmoil. That's when God bless me.
No matter what you believe in higher power, we're calling
whatever you want to call, the universe was looking out
(23:53):
for me. I happened to be working at this high
end gym in San Antoni, Texas where all the celebrities,
the high end doctors, lawyers, and basketball players. They all
worked out, and I'm training these two basketball wives, training
Tony Parker's Fiona and Steve Smith's wife's. I had them,
(24:17):
had them for a while, and then after that I
started training other NBA players because that's that was the
segue of me training them. But going back, I remember
somebody telling me, you need to tell your story, and
I'm like, no, I'm not ready yet, because I was.
I was embarrassed and a shame I was one. I
(24:39):
was embarrassed that I was, you know, domestic violence, but
it was all on me and I was I was
embarrassed because I went to prison. I no longer can
tell that story. Oh I'm one of the rare black
men who never been to prison. I can't say that now.
But that was the that was the turn point. So
(25:00):
the moment I started telling more of my story, more
resources and more doors were open for me, if that
makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
M And did you have more men coming forward to you,
all who had been the same situation, who have been
domestically abused, and said, you know, thank.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
You only when, only only when we moved to Arizona
in tex In Texas. You gotta think I was just
beginning to tell my story. I was just beginning to
be comfortable with the idea of being uncomfortable while telling
my story. So that was new. It was new to me.
(25:39):
It was new, it was foreign. There was a lot
of practice. I think, when was it. There were a
select few people who knew my story, Like at the
time the basketball wives didn't even know. Only a few
of them. A few of them, well, they all know now,
but back then, only a few was the news. They
(26:01):
just thought that I was this positive person by nature
who took resilience and turned it into lemonade. They didn't know.
And it was I think who was the first person.
It was a colleague of mind doctor folks. He was
a trainer, wrote programs he knew because he became a minister.
(26:26):
He had old church he was the first person I
told and he and then he looked at me like, wow,
that's powerful. You can tell that story. More so he's
the first person tell us. Well, my wife, my current wife.
Now she said, tell the story. Charles said, tell the story.
And then it wasn't until I jumped rope on live TV.
(26:46):
All doctor, this was all document. But I'm telling you
guys a little fact checked. So I jumped rope on TV.
This show called Daytime at nine in San Antonio, Texas
for hours straight. I knew the hosts first, I didn't
really know the co host only his story. See his
name is Esteban Soulis. He worked for Fox NBCTV. He
(27:11):
had did nine years in jail. He did his he
did his crime. But what Fox did was Fox had
a segment where they can take They said they can
take anybody from any walks of life, especially you know,
the inner city, the ghettos, you know what. They want
to call them and brush them up, give them educated,
getting resources, and they can become a pillar of the community.
(27:33):
That's that's what the TV network did and Estabahm was
their first poster child. So after I jumped rope on TV,
he asked me, why did you do it. I'm like,
because I told Kimberly that that's that's her name, Kimberley
Croft Crawford of the show. I said, because I gave
her my work. He says, are you sure. I'm like yeah.
(27:56):
He was like, come on, now, what's the real reason
why you did it? I said, because I gave him
my word. If I said I'm gonna do something, I
have to do it. And then that's when he said, Okay,
that's the story you're sticking to. But you're my hero.
I was like, no, you're my hero. He was like,
why me? I said, because when you told your story
on National TV that you have been to prison, you
did your whole interview and you worked for Fox TV.
(28:19):
That gave me the courage to finally tell my story
about when I was in prison. He was like, hey,
may they have been to prison. I said, yeah, man,
I just told two years. He was like, no way,
he said, you college educated? I said, man, I got
caught up. He's like, I tell you, what part of
my job stipulation to be in here is I have
to give back to the community. I have to mentor men.
(28:41):
I have to go back to prisons and mentor inmates.
He says, I'm going in two weeks, I'm taking you.
I'm supposed to take a celebrity with me, but I
think they would get more benefit if I take you.
I'm like okay, he says, but you got to tell
your story.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
The worst were like what what.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I'm like, man again, I said, you're the third person. Now,
he said, you gotta take your story to the world.
They know me, they don't know you. I'm like, ah, okay,
sir Real loved to the warden as system warden. Hey,
how you doing this? Is me? My nutra maryl this
that the third I was roughly convicted. I did my time,
I talk about domestic bias, talk about everything, and then
(29:24):
all it said was Wow, I can't wait to meet you,
and the man are going love me. I'm like, okay, fine.
So as we drive there, I'm getting nervous. I'm getting anxiety,
and Estaban can clearly season I'm agitated. He he turns over.
He puts his hand on my chest and was like,
come down, Bill, We're gonna be okay. We walking in,
(29:44):
we're gonna walk out. Everything's gonna be good. I'm like, okay,
he said no, you could, bro I'm like, so we
get there right parts. So keep in mind, this is
the first time I've been back in the facility like
that and almost close to almost twenty. So we walk
up right, we go through security, you know, we passed
(30:06):
through the metal detectors and I'm like freaking out. And
then the warden comes to a system where she comes
she gets Estebah the hug. She looked at me, she
smiles and she gives me this hug, this long embraced
and she says, I'm so happy to meet you. And
she says they're gonna get a kick out of your story.
I'm like, everybody keep saying that, but I don't know yet,
(30:27):
so she kept laughing. So we getting the IDs checked in,
we walk around. Now we're in the prison yard and
you see people walking in and I'm like, man, it's
just thinks back memories. And then he walk around the corner.
We're going to cafeteria and this is about at least
four four to six hundred men.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
It's packed.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So we were initially there to judge a fashion show.
That fashion show, a talent show, a talent show, and
like a musical. So we were there to judge them
and their artwork, so they knew estebox. They see him
on on on the TV, They're like, oh.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
That's the boss.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Hey, what's they're giving him a hugs, I five dots
and then they see me, like, who is this dude?
And he's all, I gotta, I got a surprise for you. So,
like I said before to you a few days ago,
children and prisoners very similar. They will tell you precisely
how they feel. If a child doesn't like you, they'll
(31:24):
go you ugly, you think you smell. An inmate will
say the same thing, I don't trust you. You suspected me.
So they told me the truth. So he introduces me.
He's on stage. He's I gotta, I gotta treat for you.
He's gonna tell your story. I'm up there for like
maybe two minutes. Oh who's this dude?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Man?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Get him up?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Man, if you man?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
And then I said, when I was in San Quentin,
I was in a nine x six cel. I didn't
have general population until I went to Susanville, so I
just this is all new to me. And then they
got quiet. I spoke for about an hour and a half,
including questions and answering, and then after I spoke, all
(32:07):
four or five hundred up Goods jumped up, started clapping
the plodding, and then six of them surrounded me and
I was like, oh, shoot, it's about to go down,
and they just embraced me. I'm like in the middle
and they hugged me and two of them are crying.
One guy was like, man, that's the really story I
ever heard. Man, what's the name of that woman who
got you off? I was like, I've never seen her.
(32:31):
I know her name, Denise Kendall, but when you google her,
she's a ghost. I've never seen this woman. I don't
know if she's black, white, Chinese and nothing. I don't know.
She's just I have email correspondence for her, but I've
never seen her. She's truly my angel, and I kind
of want to keep it that way. So anyway, so
that was the start of me talking in prisons. So
(32:55):
I kind of segue from training NBA players and added
martial arts to it. That helped me with my anxiety
mental health. That helped me. So I taught martial arts
for a toild of eighteen years, and every time I
have a student in order for them to promote to
the next belt. I didn't just give them a belt like, okay,
(33:16):
you're a white belt, green bell orange. But I never
did that. I made them earn it. So they had
to send a note to their teacher and their parents.
They both had to sign off. So they had to
get good grades. They had to listen to their teachers.
They had to listen to their parents. They had to
call yes man, yes sir, and yes man. They had
to be polite individuals. Every time I send a letter
to the teacher, it would come back to me saying,
(33:39):
what are you doing with little Johnny? This kid has
been respectful, raises his hand, doesn't jump out out of line.
What are you doing with this kids? So they invited
me to come teach your leadership class in the class.
So that started with one class, and then that one
class went to two classes, those two classes turning to
(34:02):
be teaching the whole school. And then it went to
me doing an assembly where I would I would partner
with the pe teacher and instead of the te teacher
teaching you know PE, I would teach my seminars, my
leadership seminars. And that went from doing schools to another
school to utsa the college is San Antonio to me
(34:28):
being on podcasts, to me just traveling speaking about my story.
And then when we moved here to Arizona, it even
got bigger. I did I do corporate wellnesses. I was
able to use my training skills and make up a
two part two part. I can have a leadership slash
(34:50):
a fitness component. I can have a mental health leadership component.
And that's all I talked, and I did it for
for years, and then the pandemic hit when we moved here,
and that's when I had questions. I'm like, something's not right.
I happened. At the time the pandemic hit, I was
(35:11):
the vice president of the Arizona Asian American Association, the
first non Asian full agent as a as a board
member or as a or as a president or a
vice president. And the president at the time was a
Kreem guy, So James so president and the vice president.
(35:34):
They have their own agendas, their own like what are
you gonna do? So during the pandemic, he held the math
mandate to his heart. So he was like going around
making masks and he would send the mask all the
to the children, to the neighborhoods, that's what he did.
He said, what you're gonna do. I'm like, Noah, James,
(35:55):
I respect what you're doing. But if I'm a family,
if I'm a father, which i am, and I have
to feed my kids, I'm not thinking about a bask
I'm thinking about how man to get you some resource.
I gotta get you some food, i gotta get you
some water. That's something I'm thinking about, the bare necessities.
And then he says, Okay, we'll do that. So the
(36:15):
higher board members of the of the the organization, she says,
find another nonprofit partner with them and do it. I'll
back you. So I found this organization called IGNA Relief.
They're all over the nation. They're primarily a Muslim based nonprofit,
but they help anybody. They don't care. So A part
(36:38):
with them. And I've learned so much about not just
the nonprofit sector, but I learned that there's free health care,
there's food banks, there's food pantries, there's shelter, and I'm like, WHOA,
what's really going I was exposed to the whole nonprofit
sector on a on a deeper issue. We went, we
(37:02):
partnered with we fed the Four Corners, we fed the Indigenousya.
But we went to the the reservations because they got
hit pretty hard. We're giving them food the other parts
of giving vaccinations. If they want someone didn't want it.
They prefer the food over the vaccination, which was which
was odds no matter what you believed. But when I came,
(37:25):
when I was exposed to that, I'm like, I mean,
I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go back to school by
w say what do you want to do? I said,
I have questions about this whole vaccine pandemic. Is it airborne?
Is it a virus? Is it a bacteria? Because I
always thought it was a bacteria. I never leaned on
(37:46):
that it's a virus thing because viruses and bacteria is
are two different organisms, where uh, bacteria is a singles
This is biology you want to want. A bacteria is
a single cell, living organism that could live with or
without our Again, it doesn't need a host. It doesn't
need you. A virus needs you. It needs a host.
The runners course, it lives and dies, it goes away.
(38:09):
So when I was looking at all the data and
all of the resource which was new to us, and
listen to the media, the propaganda, everything it's bad. Don't
take it. Do take it? Is the side effects, and
then m RNA. I'm like, why do they put messenger
RNA in the fact I had questions. So I'm like,
(38:29):
I'm gonna go back to school. I'm gonna I'm gonna
become a doctor. And my wife was like, wow, I said,
because that way if I'm a doctor on the board
or of our own nonprofit organization, so much government funding
comes your way where we can really help people like
I was incarcerated. We can help the homeless situation, the
mental health component. We can help the kids who transition
(38:53):
out of out of a what's the world I'm looking for?
They know, they transition out of not daycare while am
I blank, they're when they go to like these boarding homes.
When they turn eighteen, they in the longest they group homes,
they become adults. Now, yeah, so they transfer. There's so
(39:15):
much that needs to be done. And I learned that
there's a group here called Circle the City. It's a nonprofit.
They have a mobile unit band that helps give the
basic needs blood pressure, maybe a B twelve shot or something,
but they help, and they help. There's a liaison between
the people from the streets and the doctors and what
(39:39):
really is going on with you. You have other deeper
mental health issues, they can navigate and put you to
the right direction. They get help. But that's all funded
by the faith in what you live in. I'm sure.
I'm sure Texas, Alabama, California, they all have that because
you got to think each state knows they have a
homeless crisis. They know they know that, and there's only
(40:01):
certain amount of funds that the housing can do. But
nonprofit organizations, if they're regulated the right way, government has
no qualms sending you money and making sure that you
keep things on track. If you if you have the
right licensees, if you have the right facilities, if you
just follow simple regulations from the license boards. There's enough
(40:25):
money out there to go around. Are you gonna get rich?
You might.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Are your priority though it should be given back.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Yeah, but you're giving back exactly. That's my priority. I
want to just give back. And even when I chose
to go back to school, people were like, why you
guys have a media firm, you know, just just give seminars,
just do book tours, just go all in on you. You're
the product. And I'm like, yeah, but something not right.
I'm gonna go back, and here I am almost about
(40:58):
to graduate and men preparing for medical school with a
vision once I get my MD or d O. Man,
look out. But you're not anti vax Sorry, no I didn't.
I didn't get vaccinated.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
You didn't get vaccinated.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
No, I was afraid, And I'm not anti vacks. I'm
not like I've had the measles I've had. I've got
all those vaccinations I got. I get TV shots every
now and then. Yeah, I firmly believe in vaccinations. The
only issue that I had was this one was generated
too quick. I had questions about Messenger RNA, how it
(41:45):
alters your whole d I had questions about that. That's
the only this is the only one I'm against. But
to each his own. And I know people who have
got six people who have who have actually died from it.
So I see the rapifications of getting it, and I
see both sides, like if he has any kind of
(42:06):
genetic predisposed condition that you're susceptible to having a literal
reaction to it, I can see how it could be damaging.
Like example, we had a Asian festival here twenty twenty three,
two weeks before we got shut down here in Arizona.
(42:29):
It was the last huge public gathering the state had.
There was like and it's pictures this pictures, this video.
There was at least ten thousand, fifteen thousand people out there.
I remember I got I remember I was as sick
as a dog. Couldn't breathe. I was coffee, I was sweating.
(42:51):
I'm the MC. So it's like, I don't feel good.
I'm not sharing my mic. I'm gonna keep my mic.
My wife she runs talent, and when she runs if
we worked together before, so I'm going on on a
tangent when we work together. She's not my wife. She's
the boss. So she was like, I don't care if
you see you better go in there and take this water.
But you got to go in and keep that crowd,
(43:12):
keep that crowd. I'm like, okay, Dave, I got it.
So I just remember going back in the green room
and just thousand waters sweating. You know, It's just like
I was hoarse. And then I'm like, I don't know
what's wrong with me. So fast forward a couple of
weeks we get shut down. They're talking about, oh, the virus.
This is going on, and I'm like, man, those are
(43:34):
my symptoms. Sick as a dog for like three weeks,
and all of a sudden, boom was gone. I was better.
Everybody's like the world is host shut down. Everybody's pushing
the vaccination, and I was like, whoot the fowl. She's saying, oh,
even if you're exposed, you know, it's better if you
get vaccinated, blah blah blah. And then they changed just
(43:56):
like if you're exposed to it, that's better than getting
a vaccine. I'm like, I just didn't know what or
who to believe that.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
I understand, Like, like you know, there was a lot
of back and forth. I understood. I completely understand, and
like and I'm not here at also are you. I'm
here to say, you know, I've been vaccinated, got all
my vaccines, and you want to put that out there. Yeah,
and I'm very pro vaccine. I just wanted to put
(44:23):
that out there, not arguing with you.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Just want to put ye yeah, no argument. I expect that.
Like all my brothers they got it, some of them
did it. Yeah, no judgment. I'm a I'm how I
am is like this if it makes you happy, I'm
happy for you.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Yeah, I just don't want all people to think that
you know, I don't know that we're you or I
are trying to spread anything to say healthy conversation exactly.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Absolutely, Like like I said before, it's like, if you
want to offer you, I back you. You got to
think I'm about to be a If I see that
my patients need this, I'm gonna push it, like you
really need this. But if they say they don't want you,
they're afraid, I have to respect their wishes. So that's
the kind of that, that's the kind of MD I'm
gonna be. I'm gonna give them all the facts, figures,
(45:14):
and and and the whole diagram. Like, look, mister Johnson,
you really need this because you are pre disposed to
having pneumonia, so maybe this will help you come back
something in the future. And if they tell me no,
I'm afraid, I was going to let's talk about that.
Why you're afraid? Why what's causing me to feel this way?
Were you're looking at? Are you consuming negativity? Are you
(45:36):
consuming you know, media? What is it that's making you
feel this way? So I think if I can get
down to the root, cause maybe I can we can
help these people. But again, like I said, I'm gonna
be the doctor. That's I'm gonna give you what you
need and also tell you what what what what. You
may not want to hear, like, hey you need this.
If not, I respect your wishes. I'm not gonna force
(45:57):
an autom that makes any sense. So I'm glad you
said that. It's a clear.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Exactly like we can Like I've talked to people that
I disagree with before, you know, like all white supremacists,
and it's like, look, if we can have a healthy
dialogue at the and you know, at the end of
the day and not sit you're screamed at each other,
let's talk.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
But something I did want to ask you is all right,
so when is it you went What year was that
you went to prison? Okay, so we weren't talking about
wrongful convictions at that time, no adult. So when we
start talking about that, when it became all like this
(46:48):
is where I say, what was that?
Speaker 3 (46:51):
When did it become prevalent? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (46:54):
What would you say became prevalent? Because it became prevalent
to me during the pandemic. But what would you say
it came prevalent? Mmm?
Speaker 3 (47:02):
I think it did becoming a vocabulary until twenty twenty,
twenty twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
Maybe yeah, because they had twenty one twenty two, Because
there's twenty twenty when I started to become aware and
did you were you ever thinking Okay, why did this
take so long?
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yes? Absolutely one percent. And even the resources that they
have now compared to what they have then, night and
day when I got out. When I got out, so,
like I said, I was transferred from from San Quentin
to Susanville. And when I got out of when I
was released from Susanville, they gave me an envelope. It
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had a bus pass and it had seventy five dollars.
That's it. And I had to take the bus to
get back to San Leandro to live with my mom
because I didn't go back to Oakland or else Rito
went to live with my mom. It's only Katy. So
all the resources I had to figure out. So I
(48:11):
already had the housing component. Okay, Now I got to
get a job. Okay, how am I gonna get a job?
What's out there? During the time, it was Kelly Services.
Kelly Services was like the LinkedIn back in the day
you put your resume on there. You know, they find
you a job, they call you to sit you off
the interviews, and then if you like it, boom you
(48:32):
good to go. And it's like and it's all contracted, like, okay,
we find a job for you doing administrative work for
the next you know, eight months. They guarantee you a
salary of like back then it was like, oh, they
can give you nine dollars an hour whatever it was.
It was some low. If they want to keep you,
your salary can bump up to like potentially twelve dollars
(48:53):
or whatever. So I just took whatever I could off
the subject. The story that I tell people back then
who didn't know, They go, oh, how long you been
in training? What got you into training? And the story
that I tell them is, oh, my mom was overweight.
You know, she was five to five. She weighed two
twenty one time, which is true, and she wanted to
(49:16):
lose weight. She can play it, her headaches, her knees.
I'm like, that's just a weight issue. If you lost weight,
you'd feel better. She was saying, boy, I'm your mama,
Donna talk to me that way. And then I changed
her eating habits. I got her to eat three meals
a day. Everything was decided. The portions were the size
of the palm of her hands. Got her to drink
(49:36):
more water. I met her a deal. I said, for
each kin of cooke you drink, the next one has
to be water. She says, okay. We worked out for
eleven months of her cake and screaming. We're doing tabo
and the water. We're doing water rubbers, we're doing weights,
we're doing circuit training. She came from two ninety to
one sixty, and I was like, oh, I can do
this for a living. That's the story I tell people.
(50:00):
But in all actuality, what really got me safe is
in San Quentin, you got things. Fitness saved me because
I was like I had nothing to do. I'm like,
I gotta get big, I gotta get strong just in
case men in here try to rape me. So that's
the real story. But I tell them the light versions
(50:23):
of my mom's story, and I about the part how
I really got in shape.
Speaker 4 (50:29):
But back of your question, go ahead, Well, I also
wanted to ask when it comes to domestic violence with
men all and then saying to each other, you know, all, well,
why didn't you defend yourself? All but there are also
men saying thank you for sharing your story. This happened
(50:50):
to me. We were talking about this recently. It is
important for men to have these support groups where they
can open up to each other.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Yeah, they they don't have them, which is sad. Like
you know that I volunteery this heat release center. It's
actually a church, but it's design names a respit during
the hot months in Arizona, and I spend a lot
of time with homally incarcerated homeless. I see a lot
(51:20):
of drug dealers. I just have to put it out there.
I know who they are too. If I have to
get housing, okay, we go back. If I see eighty
people today, which I see about seventy to eighty three
want to get off the streets? Three or like tired?
Like find me some resources, and I'm pretty good if
(51:41):
I have resources, Like I have a tab on my
computer with a plethora of resources, like for women and
pregnant homeless family. Did you know if you're a pregnant woman,
they can get you off the street tonight, but we
got you. If you're a single mother with all children
under the age of say, like under the age of eighteen,
(52:05):
they're a mind they considered a minor. They're gonna get
you off the street tonight. So I had a woman
come in. She had a seven year old boy, and
I'm like, hey, okay, so there's a rostery fell out. Okay,
we don't ask for their name. If we just asked
how old they are, and if they're a veteran, and
(52:26):
if they're homeless, that's it. Sometimes they gave me their name, like, oh,
I'm Sarah, and I'm like, how long you been? How
long you've been homeless? And she said, oh, about nine months?
I said nine months. I was like, do you have
any resources? You have your family member? She said yeah,
some of them know I'm homeless. So I'm like, let
me find you something. So I go to my uter,
(52:47):
get my tab, call you mom. Oh that's my first
I haven't ordered like call this from first, call us,
the second, call this the third. So I called right.
They were like, describe her what she looked like, how
old is the key? I said, she's right here. You
talked to it, handing my phone. Within an hour, they
were there with some food, a van, and they took
(53:10):
her to a shelter. Now, if you're a man, they're like, mmm, well,
you can go here. Oh no, no, stretch that. If you're
a man with a woman and she's pregnant. This was
the sad part. They'll take her, but they'll separate the family.
They'll separate the man because somebody elders don't take men
(53:33):
men and women. They just take men women only. Some
are just for men, Some are just for just women,
which is sad to me. Yeah, and some of these
men use it as a crutch or as an excuse
to lead the woman. I've seen that hurt my heart.
I thought this one guy, he was like, yeah, she's
(53:54):
eight months pregnant. Yeah, you know, call call the sheldren
so she can be up to street. I'm walking about
my baby and my girl. I can say it for myself.
I can hustle, I could do what I got to do.
And this is by me to listen to him and
being where I'm from, and you know, being all certain
people like that. I've picked up on the nuances. I'm thinking,
you really don't care about this girl. You just want
(54:16):
to get her in the shelters so that you can
dip out. I picked that up. And there's other couples
who were like, I'm with her to the end. If
she can't get in, she doesn't want to go. We
do what y'all do on the streets. So yeah, But
to kind of circumnavigate back to your original question about
the resources and stuff and that have to be too,
(54:36):
you know, redundant. There's far more resources now, Like prisoners
have tablets, to have access to tablets, computers, some of
them have cell phones. I'm like in ninety six, we
had nothing. We had a telephone. You had to call.
This is the collect call from from from a correctional facility.
(54:57):
Do you want to stuff to call? Yeah? Now they
got tablets. I can send text message to some people
right now.
Speaker 4 (55:05):
So when it comes to doing violence, whether you know
it's the because a man a woman. When someone asked
why did they stay? I guess I guess the answer is,
you know, like, uh, I don't know how to answer
(55:26):
that myself. What would you say?
Speaker 3 (55:28):
Why they stay? I can't speak for them, but I
can only speak for me, and speaking for me, I
think I understand why they stayed because for me personally,
I was abused as a child, I was molested, I
grew up. It was particularly by the courts. I think
(55:50):
when I was in that relationship. I saw a part
of me and her. I saw a part of that
child who was from a broken home, who was raised
by a single mom, who was raised by strong, opinioned women,
because the men weren't active in their life. I saw
how the women had to deliver in those dual roles.
(56:13):
So I think for me, when I saw by ex wife,
I think I saw an image of her, like you
were strong, you were just battered. You were probably beat down.
I don't know about your upbringing, and we're gonna make
two misfits works. So I see the potential in you.
I see the I think I saw the good in
(56:37):
her instead of seeing what she was showing me. Like
there's the saying, I saw that sometimes people need to
stop looking for the good people and start looking at
what they're actually showing me. So I like, again, I
chose to ignore the warning signs. I chose to stay
in a dysfunctional relationship, to live under a roof of
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a toxic woman. And I take responsibility for myself too.
When I went to therapy, they're like, well, most people
don't do that. I said, yeah, I have to take responsibility.
I allowed myself to be in a situation, I allow
myself to contribute to the to the dysfunction instead of
removing myself from the from the problem. Yeah, yeah, I
(57:21):
know it's I'm my fault, but I chose to be there,
so I have to take some fault. I can't play
the victim all the time. Sometimes I have to be
the victory.
Speaker 4 (57:31):
Well, the reason why I ask why, oh you saying,
because that's a common question and I wanted to deviate
from Okay, now that you heard that, Now you heard
that answer, Now we need to stop asking why they say,
and we need to start asking why did they abuse
this person? What can we do to help?
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Yeah, you're right, that's a tough one.
Speaker 4 (58:00):
And that's what I was like, Okay, now that we
heard this answered, because I know that's always on people's minds.
Now we heard that, the question should be why what
drove them to abuse this person? And that's not something
we can answer, but maybe we can start writing resources
to where we can prevent, hopefully prevent this. Yes, but
(58:24):
you know, but like I said, now that we put
that out there, hopefully we can start deviating from that
and start, oh, not only providing resources to prevent it,
but also providing resources to the person who's going through
this and Okay, what can I do to help you?
And how can I support you?
Speaker 3 (58:44):
That's true, You're right right. I think we'll really never
know the reason why people choose to abuse their spouse.
Maybe some kind of control. Maybe it's because they were
traumatized themselves and they felt small and they have to
bully somebody else. I think here's an example for you.
(59:05):
If we look at animals, Let's take dogs for example,
like the and the shelter, we see people with dogs always, always,
always the ones that have the big dogs. The big
dogs rarely bark, they don't barn, they don't they don't
assert any kind of dominance. But every time, nine point
(59:29):
out of ten, if someone has a small dog like
a chihuah wah or some kind of lap dog, they
always wanted to sort some kind of dominance, like that
was gonna bark. And I think it's a defense mechanism
to appear bigger than what you really are and to
show these other dogs that you're not gonna just push
me around. So I think that's what it is. That's
(59:53):
what it looks like because these big dogs they don't
have to do anything. It's just I'm already just because
I'm just gonna mind my business and sleep. So maybe
the attacker feels that they have to do something to
someone else, somebody exactly, that's protection to them because they
are hurt.
Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
So what I'd like to ask you is, okay, so
saw that you have a patreon, you know, like, how
can we support your work? You know what you do
with homeless because I think very admirable a social media
all that I'll follow. How can we basically support you?
Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Oh, I appreciate that I do have a Patreon, I
do have a coffee account. When you can just give
me a tip, I do have that, you know what.
To be completely honest, I'm more concerned about helping the
homeless people and hope and helping the filming incarcerated people.
I just want to be able to just follow me,
give me a like, give me a subscription, because the
more people that follow me and see my hyperbole, what
(01:01:01):
I want to what I call it is it helps
my fanily helps the algorithm, It helps me get monetized
on YouTube. So that's one way to help. Like I said,
I do have a Patreon, I do have a you know,
you can send me a tip. So if you follow
me on on my website, which is are the number
two facts Artifacts dot tv, you can see all the
(01:01:22):
things that I've done. You can see all of the
the outreach that I do. But recently I've made the
whole segue on YouTube and a YouTube channel still called Artifacts.
You can find me on Artifacts and it has all
My Patreon has everything listed there and you can follow
me there, you can donate there, and that's pretty much it.
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I do have an all Instagram social media platforms all
the same Artifacts.
Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
We will leave that linked in the description. Thank you
so much for coming on. I had a really good time.
Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
I appreciate I had a good time to you said,
thank you for asking the tough questions. I really appreciate.
Like I said earlier, no question is off limits, and
I really appreciate you for asking the tough questions. I
love it.
Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
I love that you were open to it. Like I said,
this is a fun interview, and everyone make sure to
support them. You know, we'll leave the linksman description and
keep spreading that word zoon me.
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Speaker 3 (00:40):
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Speaker 4 (00:42):
How you doing, Okay, Welcome to the horses, Fine barn, I'm
your home. And I have got my friend Ramirio Ruffle here,
and I'm so excited to have one here. I've been
meaning to do that for a while and finally, but
what to say? I got my schedule line, my adhd
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a line. He's here. Could you please introduce yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I love it. My name is Romelo Russell, living here
in Scottsdale, Arizona, and I'm just so thrilled to be
on your show. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I'm glad you're here and Okay, we're gonna switch tone
suddenly and we're gonna rip the band aid.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
All just do it, Just do it now.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
You were wrongfully convicted of domestic violence, which you were
a survivor.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Correct, that is correct.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You uh take us through that as best you can
from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
From the beginning. So I met my extrange wife who
in the late the early nineties, and it was a
whirl went from the beginning. I didn't really think too
much about it. So, like I said, you met at
the club in Oakland, California. We got together, we met
and were married within like eight months. It was beautiful
(02:03):
from the beginning. But there was some warning, some warning
signs that I chose to ignore, and I just I
just chose to ignore the warning signs when everybody or
everything was telling me to leave. I didn't really know
I was being abused or in this situation until they
got more physical. First it was just verbal. It went
(02:26):
from you know, taking my keys, you know you can't
leave or you can't come in, to being like physically
hit like I was stabb by her. Was I was
hitting a hand with the camel's big holder, just caused stitches.
I was in the house hospitalized, But again I chose
to ignore the signs and not tell anybody because you
(02:46):
and I spoke earlier. But if you googled domestic violence statistics,
over thirty thirty twos or thirty five percent of the
victims are men, and they don't talk about it because
it almost I felt it blimmes for masculinity, right. I
felt tarnished, I felt dirty, I felt wrong, like how
(03:07):
does all loll this that happen? And I was desperately
trying to fix it, and it wasn't until I think
I was. I think it was my second suicide attempt
because I was depressed. I went from like maybe one
seventy to like one twenty fifteen pounds. In the hospital,
(03:28):
my psychiatrist therapies came in and they told me that
you have the characteristics of a battered woman. And I
didn't know what that meant until later on when they
said they read the case studies about men like me,
but never have seen one. So it was it was
very traumatic to aalue with that and to process that
(03:49):
and to look at myself in the mirror, like and
to question myself if that makes any sense, like now
I understand I understand when women can't leave there, like,
I get it now. And I think it took me
to remove myself from the situation, to actually see myself
in a hole and to categorize myself in the same
(04:12):
situation that these other women go through. I didn't really
realize that, but like I can, I can walk you
through each step, each phase, and how I got out
of it. But that's pretty much it. In a nutshell,
how I got convicted with this, I'm gonna just jump
into it. So she was a lawyer involved in unethical activity,
(04:36):
and you got to think back in those days, there
was no there's really no self. There were cell phones,
but they weren't as technologically sound as they are now.
People had like blackberries, you know the this was before
the Side. Well, no, this is I think Winterside Kid
was about to come out. You know how people keep
journals and how they document things on the laptop. So
(04:58):
she wrote everything down in her laptop, detailed like records,
named figures, and I just happened to come across it.
I'm like, and I questioned her, like, hey, what is this?
And I remember her looking at me and she's saying
saying that I knew too much, she told me. She says,
I can't kill you, but I can make you a
(05:19):
life of living. Hell, I'm like, what are you gonna do?
And she says, I'm the prominent lawyer. You're just a
lab tech who works in the hospital. All I have
to do is scream who are they gonna believe me
or you? And I was like shocked, Like, she ain't
gonna do anything. You know, we have arguments here and there,
but we gonna work this out. So fast forward. A
few weeks go by. She comes home and she says
(05:43):
the house is a mess, which it wasn't. And I'm like,
what are you talking about? And she's throwing stuff off
the counters. She's wailing herself up against the doors. She's
slamming and she's breaking and I'm watching her. I thought
it was the movie. I don't mean to laugh now,
but I can laugh at it now. But oh yeah,
there was a movie called A Thin Line Between Love
and Hate with Martin Martin. I lived that. So anyway,
(06:07):
so she's throwing stuff. You hear in the background the
sirens come up. Some of them ust have called the cops.
I would have too, So the police knocking the door boom,
boom boom. I opened the door and they were like,
what's going I said, I don't know what's wrong. Waters
they arrest me, of course, because they look at this,
you know, six foot one tall, black Puerto Rican dude.
Of course I'm guilty, so they take me down. She
(06:29):
builds me out, like within hours, she buils me out.
We drive home in silent, and then she said when
we parked, now you belong to me. Nothing that you
can say or do will get you out of this
because now your credibility is shot. And I'm like wow.
And that happened several occasions after that. If she didn't
(06:52):
like what I said or like what I did, you know,
she would push me. She would hit me, and then
she would say, I'm scream I'm gonna call the cops.
So I would living in sears. I was afraid, and
then she would use, oh, your cousins are trying to
hit on me, your brothers want me, everybody likes me. Yeah, yeah,
everybody wants me. So I isolated myself from the family.
(07:16):
And going back to what the doctor said about I
had the characteristics of a battered woman. I see it. Now,
you protect your attacker. You make excuse excuses, they isolate
you from family and friends. I was that I was depressed.
I was in my own thoughts. And then then it
got worse when the tacks got more often like she
(07:40):
would frequently throw things at me, or she would frequently
go in the kitchen and like threaten me with things.
And then I think I found my courage, Sarah. I
think I found my courage. One day, I was like,
you know, I'm leaving you, and then she was like,
how dare you try to leave me? And you'd be
better for the next person. Didn't know what that meant
to be. So again I'm walking out, I'm leaving, and
(08:05):
again she like, no, don't leave me. I'm up, what
are we going to do? We're two misfits. We can
make this work. And I'm like, so then I go
back and I think the last straw was when she
stabbed me again and I was hitting the head when
I was bleeding. It was raining that day, because I
(08:26):
just needed evidence, because I felt at the time no
one believed me that this five foot one woman was
jumping on me. Because I remember I told I think
I told a friend of mine, or I think I
told my cousin, and they laughed at me, like, really,
this little, tiny, petite woman is jumping on you. I'm
like yeah, and you know, man, but just grab her.
(08:48):
And I'm like, no, I can't do that, that's wrong.
So they were like, well, you put yourself in that situation, man,
figure how to get out. Nothing like like okay, you're
talking about ripping the band aid off. They're like throwing
salt on the wounds. So anyway, I'm stabbed, I'm bleeding
from my legs and my head. I'm walking downstairs and
(09:09):
it just so happened. Ironically, the landlady was showing because
it was in a condo apartment. They were showing the
i think one of the units to some people and
she was just major to heat out of here. I know,
I must have been embarrassing to see somebody bleeding running
down the stairs. So I was kind of belated because
I was like, okay, now I got proof. So I'm
(09:30):
walking down the street. It's raining in my thoughts and
I kept saying, now I can die in peace, because
I was just gonna walk until I just passed out.
And there was a woman on the counter counter on
her porch, and I was like, look, can you call
my doctor and just tell them I'm not crazy. I
can die in peace. She'll come here. So I'm blessed,
but I'm out of a criminal. And she says, no, no,
it's okay. I got criminals in my family. I said no,
(09:52):
I'm not a criminal. I'm like, can you just give
me some elk? So she called. She called the hospital
nine one. Thing. It took me to the hospital. I
took a statement and they were like, okay, do you
want us to charge her? I said no. I said no,
this will blemish her, her chance, her lawyer career. I
(10:13):
don't want to do that. And they said we're going
to keep you. So they kept me fifty one to
fifty because I was, you know, a threat to myself.
I go to the hospital and then they're like, okay,
you cannot be around this woman because nothing like this
has happened until you two got together. I had no records.
I had prided myself I'm never being arrested, and you
(10:35):
got to think I was. Let me say, I'm fifty
five now. I was twenty four when we met. Never
been arrested, never been arrested at maybe two speeding tickets
that's it. So my interactions with the law was like
Neil and I was living in Oakland, California, and it's
some hot spots. So and I prided myself. So after
(10:59):
I was in the system, I'm like, what's really going on?
So when I get out the hospital, they're like, you
cannot have any contact with her because she writes this letters.
This woman is psychotic is what they used. So I
remember going to my boss's house and I was like,
I'm ready to get help, and I'll never forget what
(11:22):
he said. I see. He said, are you sure. I'm
like yeah, And I used this to this day. He says,
I don't believe you. I said, why do you say that?
He says, you'll be back with her in three days
because you like the abuse, you keep going back to it.
I'm like wow, wow. So I really listen to what
he said about how I liked it. I'm like, wow,
he said, because you keep going back, you keep putting
(11:44):
yourself in a situation. And I know that was beyond
tough love. I know he was really trying to help.
So what I did was I'm gonna prove you wrong.
I'm not going back to her. So what did I do.
I went to the police station, and this is all
in the rerecord. I said, I want to civil standby.
I haven't seen her in a few weeks. I've been
(12:06):
staying at my boss's house because you got to think
I was on. I was gonna leave a bapsince, you know,
just trying to get myself right. Skinny is all get
up and they say, oh, come on and come in.
They said, tell us about it. I said, I haven't
seen my wife about a week or two. You know,
I'm want to get my things and I want to
leave and get my life back together. And they were
asking me questions only someone had real made to them.
(12:30):
They were asking me questions about taxes. I'm like, I
did our taxes, but how did you guys know that?
And they were like, doll, you keep telling us more.
I said, okay, she's a patent and taxation lawyer. And
they were like, okay, tell us about tell us about
tell us more about the taxes. And I'm like, you
guys ask me way too many questions. Am I under arrest?
(12:52):
And they kind of paused and looked at me in
this much perplexed look and they're like, yeah, I said,
for what the like she called because they said you threatened.
I said, I haven't seen her in two weeks. So
they arrested me. I go to county and I didn't
come home until two years later.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, and what did they convict you on? What was
it like? They they said, you threatened her, But what
was the conviction.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
The conviction was domestic violence initially it was initially it
was theft because I took the disc of everything that
she and her law firm were talking about. So and
I'm like, theft, and she says, yes, according to the law,
theft even if we are living together, we are cohabitating
husband and wife. If you steal my property and you
(13:47):
take it and you use it for your own use,
that's the definition of after theft. I didn't know the law.
You know, she threatened me. Used to this mumbo jumbo
law terminology. So of course it's not freaked out, give
it back and then we go to the perenimpinary hearing.
So keep in mind, I'm in jail for the past three.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Maybe three weeks, four weeks at least.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
A good month. Deliberinate comes. I have a public defender,
get this. I'm freaking out. I'm like flip bro she's
gonna rip you up. And he's like, man, come on, man,
I do this for a living. I'm like, no, she's sharp.
He was like, I'll determine how sharp she is. I'm like, okay.
So she comes in with a cane and she comes
(14:34):
in with this little bill crow cast on her legs.
I'm like, what the flip. I'm like, I haven't seen
it over a month. How is she How is she
looking like that? I'm like, come on. So I'm almost
like I wanted to laugh, but I was like, what's
this is a movie? So she's coming in, It's like
a movie right here. Yeah, So in resc I know
(14:54):
the listeners. Even when I tell this story and people
look at me like this can't be true. I'm like, yes,
I've got caught documents. And they were like you need
to write a book, or if this needs to be
a make for TV movie because this sounds like a movie.
So anyway, she comes in and he looks at me,
my public defender, and now he's getting serious. He was like,
(15:17):
some I'm not right. He said, what does she work?
I said, she works in San Francisco. He said, well,
do you guys live else? Rito. He says, okay. He
asked her how many freeways does it take for you
to get to your to your destination? She says about three.
Man He says, okay, he listened to me. He says,
what kind of car does she have? I said a
Monster MX six. He says five speeder? Is a manual?
(15:39):
Or is automatic? I said it's a five speed? He
was like, we got it. They after, how are you
changing gears? She this is? She said, I pushed the
clutch in with my cane and I ship with the
other hand. No, no, listen to that. I pushed the
(16:02):
king this question with my king, and I ship with
the other hands. What hand is on the steering wheel? Ah, y'all,
I'm thinking they bought that. Yeah, we're going to trial.
I'm like, what, So she was, but she's not dead,
I don't think, but she's The judge was a black woman,
(16:24):
and my ex wife was actually black and Japanese mixed,
So I think when the woman saw me, she's like, yeah,
just I'm gonna help you. Don't even worry about it. Yeah,
they believed it with the trial, so of course I
fired my public defender, got a real lawyer, spent a
lot of money going back and forth. He did all
he could. I mean even in court records, you know.
(16:46):
He jumped up and said, why are you guys protecting her.
It's almost like you guys are deliberately trying to send
an innocent into jail. It's in the transcript. So anyway,
I'm five forward now, so I'm in county. They sent
me to Saint Quentin's initially on a ninety day observation.
That's a whole scam. So courts have what's called ninety
(17:09):
day op where they send someone who's never been arrested
or never been pretty much causing the problems to jail.
They send me to prison on the ninety day observation
to see if you can conform to being institutionalized. So
they sent me. So I'm in san quent for ninety days.
So during that ninety day period we talked to the psychiatrists.
(17:30):
They deem if you are safe for yourself, safe with
the environment, and they analyze everything. I have his records too.
The psychiatry was like, he shouldn't even be here. He's educated,
he got caught up in the wrong woman. He gravitates
towards strong opinionated dominating women, which in turn they used
(17:51):
that to manipulate him. I'm like, man, he's breaking me down.
So I recommend he'd be released and sent home immediately.
So just dude, no, you good, you you conformed, You
didn't have any So I guess in that ninety day
opt what I was told by criminals. They said, no,
you wasn't supposed to be peaceful. You're supposed to be
(18:13):
causing habits, throwing stuff and like being like, oh, disruptive
and like a I can't take it. I'm like no,
because they already think I'm violent. If I act out,
they're gonna be like see, see see I told you.
I'm like, I'm I'm not a violent person. That's just
not me. So fast forward, they send you back to
saraon Quentin Man San Quentin to do the rest of
(18:36):
my turn. I mean, I was facing two to five,
so I spent so much time in county. I go
back to saraan Quinton. I'm there for like another eight
to nine months. Then they send me to Susanville, which
was a lower level prison. Susanville is border I think
(18:57):
it's border California and Nevada. Way up there. I think
they're about to close its soon if I'm not mistaken.
So anyway, that was the first time I was in GP,
which is general population like dorm living. Because San Quentin
it's just you in a celling and you're locked in
a cell which is nine by six twenty three out
(19:17):
of twenty four hours a day, you want to come
out for an hour for food, for whatever, food and
a recreation. So then going back to San Quentin, I
know I'm kind of all over the place.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I'm just trying to I'm.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Trying to give you all In the one I received
a letter from a woman named Denise Kendall, and I
know I'm saying these names that heple gonna google. I
challenge you. I want people to do that. Denise Kendall,
she was for the Appellate Appellate Courts in California. Letter
comes in San Quentin. It says, I read about your case.
(19:54):
You should have never went. I'm gonna get this overturned
as if you never went. Just sign he I thought
it was BS. So I looked at my celly. It
was like, what is this man? I never broke this
woman don't even know who she is. This is some BS, right,
should I find it. He looked at me and was like,
you ain't got nothing else to do. What you're gonna do?
(20:16):
I'm like, yeah, you right. If I find it, send
it off. Another month or two goes by. Don't work
for her, do hit from her until I got out.
So I got out and I'm on parole. I have
this big, big black parole office. Big dude. He gives
me a hug. His whole office looks at me, like,
(20:37):
why is he hugging you? You don't hug people read
about your case. Man, you got set up. Man, You're
gonna be good because you're not like my typical you
know client, You're not on drugs, educated, you're smart, You're
gonna be You're gonna be fine. Dude. You gotta do.
You be off in no time. I'm like cool. He
gets transferred to a different department. I get this European descent, gentleman,
(20:59):
I keep it that way. He was like, I don't
care what the court say, as far as I'm concerned.
You a minute to society. If you jaywalk, I'm gonna
send you back to do the rest of your turn.
I'm like, oh, so I was freaking out. So yeah,
I got another letter from Denise Kendall. And you know
what I should have I should have been more prepared.
(21:20):
And no, it's not good anyways, it said, Rinthy is ours.
They now have ninety days to retry you, as if
you know to do it all over again. Just do
what you gotta do and I'll fight for you. In
the background, I'm like, perfect. Ninety days go by again,
(21:40):
Still don't hear from her, and then I get a
third letter from her. She says, I don't think you
get my correspondence. She said, they denied retrying your case.
This means your conviction is now overturned. It's been reversed,
as if you never went Congratulations. I'm like, day, whoa,
I'm still in a parole right. Take that letter to
(22:01):
my para officer. I was like, yeah, look see I'm done.
He was like, yeah, I knew. I'm like, when did
you find out? He said, I found out three months ago?
Remember the ninety days. I'm like, why didn't you tell me?
Why didn't you call me? He said, because I wanted
you to sweat because that never happened. Congratulations, somebody's looking
out for you. I'm like, wow, So I stayed in
(22:23):
California for a while, was just was. I was no
longer depressed, I was I was no longer depressed, I
was no longer angry. I think the emotion I felt
now was like, hmm, I'm gonna figure this puzzle out.
I'm like, I'm almost like, how bare they? Okay? What
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can I do? So I looked at the judicial system
in California, put the three stretcher out. I saw how
they manipulated the system. I saw some good how you know,
you can take someone who was wrong for the convicted,
if they're in the right situation with the right person
back in, then they can get them cleared. But still,
California left a bad taste in my mouth. And I
was born in California, was born in San Francisco. Yeah,
(23:09):
so I stayed in California for like, maybe let me see,
two years, because I was in ninety six, ninety eight.
Yeah I left. Yeah, I left a year almost two
years later because I moved to Texas in ninety nine,
two thousand. Yes, that's what it was. So I left Texas.
(23:32):
I me in California, which is tired, and I'm like,
I can't do it. I'm done. So get this the
moment I moved to Texas in fat in my life
being turbulence or full of turmoil. That's when God bless me.
No matter what you believe in higher power, we're calling
whatever you want to call, the universe was looking out
(23:53):
for me. I happened to be working at this high
end gym in San Antoni, Texas where all the celebrities,
the high end doctors, lawyers, and basketball players. They all
worked out, and I'm training these two basketball wives, training
Tony Parker's Fiona and Steve Smith's wife's. I had them,
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had them for a while, and then after that I
started training other NBA players because that's that was the
segue of me training them. But going back, I remember
somebody telling me, you need to tell your story, and
I'm like, no, I'm not ready yet, because I was.
I was embarrassed and a shame I was one. I
(24:39):
was embarrassed that I was, you know, domestic violence, but
it was all on me and I was I was
embarrassed because I went to prison. I no longer can
tell that story. Oh I'm one of the rare black
men who never been to prison. I can't say that now.
But that was the that was the turn point. So
(25:00):
the moment I started telling more of my story, more
resources and more doors were open for me, if that
makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
M And did you have more men coming forward to you,
all who had been the same situation, who have been
domestically abused, and said, you know, thank.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
You only when, only only when we moved to Arizona
in tex In Texas. You gotta think I was just
beginning to tell my story. I was just beginning to
be comfortable with the idea of being uncomfortable while telling
my story. So that was new. It was new to me.
(25:39):
It was new, it was foreign. There was a lot
of practice. I think, when was it. There were a
select few people who knew my story, Like at the
time the basketball wives didn't even know. Only a few
of them. A few of them, well, they all know now,
but back then, only a few was the news. They
(26:01):
just thought that I was this positive person by nature
who took resilience and turned it into lemonade. They didn't know.
And it was I think who was the first person.
It was a colleague of mind doctor folks. He was
a trainer, wrote programs he knew because he became a minister.
(26:26):
He had old church he was the first person I
told and he and then he looked at me like, wow,
that's powerful. You can tell that story. More so he's
the first person tell us. Well, my wife, my current wife.
Now she said, tell the story. Charles said, tell the story.
And then it wasn't until I jumped rope on live TV.
(26:46):
All doctor, this was all document. But I'm telling you
guys a little fact checked. So I jumped rope on TV.
This show called Daytime at nine in San Antonio, Texas
for hours straight. I knew the hosts first, I didn't
really know the co host only his story. See his
name is Esteban Soulis. He worked for Fox NBCTV. He
(27:11):
had did nine years in jail. He did his he
did his crime. But what Fox did was Fox had
a segment where they can take They said they can
take anybody from any walks of life, especially you know,
the inner city, the ghettos, you know what. They want
to call them and brush them up, give them educated,
getting resources, and they can become a pillar of the community.
(27:33):
That's that's what the TV network did and Estabahm was
their first poster child. So after I jumped rope on TV,
he asked me, why did you do it. I'm like,
because I told Kimberly that that's that's her name, Kimberley
Croft Crawford of the show. I said, because I gave
her my work. He says, are you sure. I'm like yeah.
(27:56):
He was like, come on, now, what's the real reason
why you did it? I said, because I gave him
my word. If I said I'm gonna do something, I
have to do it. And then that's when he said, Okay,
that's the story you're sticking to. But you're my hero.
I was like, no, you're my hero. He was like,
why me? I said, because when you told your story
on National TV that you have been to prison, you
did your whole interview and you worked for Fox TV.
(28:19):
That gave me the courage to finally tell my story
about when I was in prison. He was like, hey,
may they have been to prison. I said, yeah, man,
I just told two years. He was like, no way,
he said, you college educated? I said, man, I got
caught up. He's like, I tell you, what part of
my job stipulation to be in here is I have
to give back to the community. I have to mentor men.
(28:41):
I have to go back to prisons and mentor inmates.
He says, I'm going in two weeks, I'm taking you.
I'm supposed to take a celebrity with me, but I
think they would get more benefit if I take you.
I'm like okay, he says, but you got to tell
your story.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
The worst were like what what.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
I'm like, man again, I said, you're the third person. Now,
he said, you gotta take your story to the world.
They know me, they don't know you. I'm like, ah, okay,
sir Real loved to the warden as system warden. Hey,
how you doing this? Is me? My nutra maryl this
that the third I was roughly convicted. I did my time,
I talk about domestic bias, talk about everything, and then
(29:24):
all it said was Wow, I can't wait to meet you,
and the man are going love me. I'm like, okay, fine.
So as we drive there, I'm getting nervous. I'm getting anxiety,
and Estaban can clearly season I'm agitated. He he turns over.
He puts his hand on my chest and was like,
come down, Bill, We're gonna be okay. We walking in,
(29:44):
we're gonna walk out. Everything's gonna be good. I'm like, okay,
he said no, you could, bro I'm like, so we
get there right parts. So keep in mind, this is
the first time I've been back in the facility like
that and almost close to almost twenty. So we walk
up right, we go through security, you know, we passed
(30:06):
through the metal detectors and I'm like freaking out. And
then the warden comes to a system where she comes
she gets Estebah the hug. She looked at me, she
smiles and she gives me this hug, this long embraced
and she says, I'm so happy to meet you. And
she says they're gonna get a kick out of your story.
I'm like, everybody keep saying that, but I don't know yet,
(30:27):
so she kept laughing. So we getting the IDs checked in,
we walk around. Now we're in the prison yard and
you see people walking in and I'm like, man, it's
just thinks back memories. And then he walk around the corner.
We're going to cafeteria and this is about at least
four four to six hundred men.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
It's packed.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
So we were initially there to judge a fashion show.
That fashion show, a talent show, a talent show, and
like a musical. So we were there to judge them
and their artwork, so they knew estebox. They see him
on on on the TV, They're like, oh.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
That's the boss.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Hey, what's they're giving him a hugs, I five dots
and then they see me, like, who is this dude?
And he's all, I gotta, I got a surprise for you. So,
like I said before to you a few days ago,
children and prisoners very similar. They will tell you precisely
how they feel. If a child doesn't like you, they'll
(31:24):
go you ugly, you think you smell. An inmate will
say the same thing, I don't trust you. You suspected me.
So they told me the truth. So he introduces me.
He's on stage. He's I gotta, I gotta treat for you.
He's gonna tell your story. I'm up there for like
maybe two minutes. Oh who's this dude?
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Man?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Get him up?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Man, if you man?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
And then I said, when I was in San Quentin,
I was in a nine x six cel. I didn't
have general population until I went to Susanville, so I
just this is all new to me. And then they
got quiet. I spoke for about an hour and a half,
including questions and answering, and then after I spoke, all
(32:07):
four or five hundred up Goods jumped up, started clapping
the plodding, and then six of them surrounded me and
I was like, oh, shoot, it's about to go down,
and they just embraced me. I'm like in the middle
and they hugged me and two of them are crying.
One guy was like, man, that's the really story I
ever heard. Man, what's the name of that woman who
got you off? I was like, I've never seen her.
(32:31):
I know her name, Denise Kendall, but when you google her,
she's a ghost. I've never seen this woman. I don't
know if she's black, white, Chinese and nothing. I don't know.
She's just I have email correspondence for her, but I've
never seen her. She's truly my angel, and I kind
of want to keep it that way. So anyway, so
that was the start of me talking in prisons. So
(32:55):
I kind of segue from training NBA players and added
martial arts to it. That helped me with my anxiety
mental health. That helped me. So I taught martial arts
for a toild of eighteen years, and every time I
have a student in order for them to promote to
the next belt. I didn't just give them a belt like, okay,
(33:16):
you're a white belt, green bell orange. But I never
did that. I made them earn it. So they had
to send a note to their teacher and their parents.
They both had to sign off. So they had to
get good grades. They had to listen to their teachers.
They had to listen to their parents. They had to
call yes man, yes sir, and yes man. They had
to be polite individuals. Every time I send a letter
to the teacher, it would come back to me saying,
(33:39):
what are you doing with little Johnny? This kid has
been respectful, raises his hand, doesn't jump out out of line.
What are you doing with this kids? So they invited
me to come teach your leadership class in the class.
So that started with one class, and then that one
class went to two classes, those two classes turning to
(34:02):
be teaching the whole school. And then it went to
me doing an assembly where I would I would partner
with the pe teacher and instead of the te teacher
teaching you know PE, I would teach my seminars, my
leadership seminars. And that went from doing schools to another
school to utsa the college is San Antonio to me
(34:28):
being on podcasts, to me just traveling speaking about my story.
And then when we moved here to Arizona, it even
got bigger. I did I do corporate wellnesses. I was
able to use my training skills and make up a
two part two part. I can have a leadership slash
(34:50):
a fitness component. I can have a mental health leadership component.
And that's all I talked, and I did it for
for years, and then the pandemic hit when we moved here,
and that's when I had questions. I'm like, something's not right.
I happened. At the time the pandemic hit, I was
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the vice president of the Arizona Asian American Association, the
first non Asian full agent as a as a board
member or as a or as a president or a
vice president. And the president at the time was a
Kreem guy, So James so president and the vice president.
(35:34):
They have their own agendas, their own like what are
you gonna do? So during the pandemic, he held the math
mandate to his heart. So he was like going around
making masks and he would send the mask all the
to the children, to the neighborhoods, that's what he did.
He said, what you're gonna do. I'm like, Noah, James,
(35:55):
I respect what you're doing. But if I'm a family,
if I'm a father, which i am, and I have
to feed my kids, I'm not thinking about a bask
I'm thinking about how man to get you some resource.
I gotta get you some food, i gotta get you
some water. That's something I'm thinking about, the bare necessities.
And then he says, Okay, we'll do that. So the
(36:15):
higher board members of the of the the organization, she says,
find another nonprofit partner with them and do it. I'll
back you. So I found this organization called IGNA Relief.
They're all over the nation. They're primarily a Muslim based nonprofit,
but they help anybody. They don't care. So A part
(36:38):
with them. And I've learned so much about not just
the nonprofit sector, but I learned that there's free health care,
there's food banks, there's food pantries, there's shelter, and I'm like, WHOA,
what's really going I was exposed to the whole nonprofit
sector on a on a deeper issue. We went, we
(37:02):
partnered with we fed the Four Corners, we fed the Indigenousya.
But we went to the the reservations because they got
hit pretty hard. We're giving them food the other parts
of giving vaccinations. If they want someone didn't want it.
They prefer the food over the vaccination, which was which
was odds no matter what you believed. But when I came,
(37:25):
when I was exposed to that, I'm like, I mean,
I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go back to school by
w say what do you want to do? I said,
I have questions about this whole vaccine pandemic. Is it airborne?
Is it a virus? Is it a bacteria? Because I
always thought it was a bacteria. I never leaned on
(37:46):
that it's a virus thing because viruses and bacteria is
are two different organisms, where uh, bacteria is a singles
This is biology you want to want. A bacteria is
a single cell, living organism that could live with or
without our Again, it doesn't need a host. It doesn't
need you. A virus needs you. It needs a host.
The runners course, it lives and dies, it goes away.
(38:09):
So when I was looking at all the data and
all of the resource which was new to us, and
listen to the media, the propaganda, everything it's bad. Don't
take it. Do take it? Is the side effects, and
then m RNA. I'm like, why do they put messenger
RNA in the fact I had questions. So I'm like,
(38:29):
I'm gonna go back to school. I'm gonna I'm gonna
become a doctor. And my wife was like, wow, I said,
because that way if I'm a doctor on the board
or of our own nonprofit organization, so much government funding
comes your way where we can really help people like
I was incarcerated. We can help the homeless situation, the
mental health component. We can help the kids who transition
(38:53):
out of out of a what's the world I'm looking for?
They know, they transition out of not daycare while am
I blank, they're when they go to like these boarding homes.
When they turn eighteen, they in the longest they group homes,
they become adults. Now, yeah, so they transfer. There's so
(39:15):
much that needs to be done. And I learned that
there's a group here called Circle the City. It's a nonprofit.
They have a mobile unit band that helps give the
basic needs blood pressure, maybe a B twelve shot or something,
but they help, and they help. There's a liaison between
the people from the streets and the doctors and what
(39:39):
really is going on with you. You have other deeper
mental health issues, they can navigate and put you to
the right direction. They get help. But that's all funded
by the faith in what you live in. I'm sure.
I'm sure Texas, Alabama, California, they all have that because
you got to think each state knows they have a
homeless crisis. They know they know that, and there's only
(40:01):
certain amount of funds that the housing can do. But
nonprofit organizations, if they're regulated the right way, government has
no qualms sending you money and making sure that you
keep things on track. If you if you have the
right licensees, if you have the right facilities, if you
just follow simple regulations from the license boards. There's enough
(40:25):
money out there to go around. Are you gonna get rich?
You might.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
Are your priority though it should be given back.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Yeah, but you're giving back exactly. That's my priority. I
want to just give back. And even when I chose
to go back to school, people were like, why you
guys have a media firm, you know, just just give seminars,
just do book tours, just go all in on you. You're
the product. And I'm like, yeah, but something not right.
I'm gonna go back, and here I am almost about
(40:58):
to graduate and men preparing for medical school with a
vision once I get my MD or d O. Man,
look out. But you're not anti vax Sorry, no I didn't.
I didn't get vaccinated.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
You didn't get vaccinated.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
No, I was afraid, And I'm not anti vacks. I'm
not like I've had the measles I've had. I've got
all those vaccinations I got. I get TV shots every
now and then. Yeah, I firmly believe in vaccinations. The
only issue that I had was this one was generated
too quick. I had questions about Messenger RNA, how it
(41:45):
alters your whole d I had questions about that. That's
the only this is the only one I'm against. But
to each his own. And I know people who have
got six people who have who have actually died from it.
So I see the rapifications of getting it, and I
see both sides, like if he has any kind of
(42:06):
genetic predisposed condition that you're susceptible to having a literal
reaction to it, I can see how it could be damaging.
Like example, we had a Asian festival here twenty twenty three,
two weeks before we got shut down here in Arizona.
(42:29):
It was the last huge public gathering the state had.
There was like and it's pictures this pictures, this video.
There was at least ten thousand, fifteen thousand people out there.
I remember I got I remember I was as sick
as a dog. Couldn't breathe. I was coffee, I was sweating.
(42:51):
I'm the MC. So it's like, I don't feel good.
I'm not sharing my mic. I'm gonna keep my mic.
My wife she runs talent, and when she runs if
we worked together before, so I'm going on on a
tangent when we work together. She's not my wife. She's
the boss. So she was like, I don't care if
you see you better go in there and take this water.
But you got to go in and keep that crowd,
(43:12):
keep that crowd. I'm like, okay, Dave, I got it.
So I just remember going back in the green room
and just thousand waters sweating. You know, It's just like
I was hoarse. And then I'm like, I don't know
what's wrong with me. So fast forward a couple of
weeks we get shut down. They're talking about, oh, the virus.
This is going on, and I'm like, man, those are
(43:34):
my symptoms. Sick as a dog for like three weeks,
and all of a sudden, boom was gone. I was better.
Everybody's like the world is host shut down. Everybody's pushing
the vaccination, and I was like, whoot the fowl. She's saying, oh,
even if you're exposed, you know, it's better if you
get vaccinated, blah blah blah. And then they changed just
(43:56):
like if you're exposed to it, that's better than getting
a vaccine. I'm like, I just didn't know what or
who to believe that.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
I understand, Like, like you know, there was a lot
of back and forth. I understood. I completely understand, and
like and I'm not here at also are you. I'm
here to say, you know, I've been vaccinated, got all
my vaccines, and you want to put that out there. Yeah,
and I'm very pro vaccine. I just wanted to put
(44:23):
that out there, not arguing with you.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Just want to put ye yeah, no argument. I expect that.
Like all my brothers they got it, some of them
did it. Yeah, no judgment. I'm a I'm how I
am is like this if it makes you happy, I'm
happy for you.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Yeah, I just don't want all people to think that
you know, I don't know that we're you or I
are trying to spread anything to say healthy conversation exactly.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Absolutely, Like like I said before, it's like, if you
want to offer you, I back you. You got to
think I'm about to be a If I see that
my patients need this, I'm gonna push it, like you
really need this. But if they say they don't want you,
they're afraid, I have to respect their wishes. So that's
the kind of that, that's the kind of MD I'm
gonna be. I'm gonna give them all the facts, figures,
(45:14):
and and and the whole diagram. Like, look, mister Johnson,
you really need this because you are pre disposed to
having pneumonia, so maybe this will help you come back
something in the future. And if they tell me no,
I'm afraid, I was going to let's talk about that.
Why you're afraid? Why what's causing me to feel this way?
Were you're looking at? Are you consuming negativity? Are you
(45:36):
consuming you know, media? What is it that's making you
feel this way? So I think if I can get
down to the root, cause maybe I can we can
help these people. But again, like I said, I'm gonna
be the doctor. That's I'm gonna give you what you
need and also tell you what what what what. You
may not want to hear, like, hey you need this.
If not, I respect your wishes. I'm not gonna force
(45:57):
an autom that makes any sense. So I'm glad you
said that. It's a clear.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
Exactly like we can Like I've talked to people that
I disagree with before, you know, like all white supremacists,
and it's like, look, if we can have a healthy
dialogue at the and you know, at the end of
the day and not sit you're screamed at each other,
let's talk.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
But something I did want to ask you is all right,
so when is it you went What year was that
you went to prison? Okay, so we weren't talking about
wrongful convictions at that time, no adult. So when we
start talking about that, when it became all like this
(46:48):
is where I say, what was that?
Speaker 3 (46:51):
When did it become prevalent? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (46:54):
What would you say became prevalent? Because it became prevalent
to me during the pandemic. But what would you say
it came prevalent? Mmm?
Speaker 3 (47:02):
I think it did becoming a vocabulary until twenty twenty,
twenty twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4 (47:13):
Maybe yeah, because they had twenty one twenty two, Because
there's twenty twenty when I started to become aware and
did you were you ever thinking Okay, why did this
take so long?
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Yes? Absolutely one percent. And even the resources that they
have now compared to what they have then, night and
day when I got out. When I got out, so,
like I said, I was transferred from from San Quentin
to Susanville. And when I got out of when I
was released from Susanville, they gave me an envelope. It
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had a bus pass and it had seventy five dollars.
That's it. And I had to take the bus to
get back to San Leandro to live with my mom
because I didn't go back to Oakland or else Rito
went to live with my mom. It's only Katy. So
all the resources I had to figure out. So I
(48:11):
already had the housing component. Okay, Now I got to
get a job. Okay, how am I gonna get a job?
What's out there? During the time, it was Kelly Services.
Kelly Services was like the LinkedIn back in the day
you put your resume on there. You know, they find
you a job, they call you to sit you off
the interviews, and then if you like it, boom you
(48:32):
good to go. And it's like and it's all contracted, like, okay,
we find a job for you doing administrative work for
the next you know, eight months. They guarantee you a
salary of like back then it was like, oh, they
can give you nine dollars an hour whatever it was.
It was some low. If they want to keep you,
your salary can bump up to like potentially twelve dollars
(48:53):
or whatever. So I just took whatever I could off
the subject. The story that I tell people back then
who didn't know, They go, oh, how long you been
in training? What got you into training? And the story
that I tell them is, oh, my mom was overweight.
You know, she was five to five. She weighed two
twenty one time, which is true, and she wanted to
(49:16):
lose weight. She can play it, her headaches, her knees.
I'm like, that's just a weight issue. If you lost weight,
you'd feel better. She was saying, boy, I'm your mama,
Donna talk to me that way. And then I changed
her eating habits. I got her to eat three meals
a day. Everything was decided. The portions were the size
of the palm of her hands. Got her to drink
(49:36):
more water. I met her a deal. I said, for
each kin of cooke you drink, the next one has
to be water. She says, okay. We worked out for
eleven months of her cake and screaming. We're doing tabo
and the water. We're doing water rubbers, we're doing weights,
we're doing circuit training. She came from two ninety to
one sixty, and I was like, oh, I can do
this for a living. That's the story I tell people.
(50:00):
But in all actuality, what really got me safe is
in San Quentin, you got things. Fitness saved me because
I was like I had nothing to do. I'm like,
I gotta get big, I gotta get strong just in
case men in here try to rape me. So that's
the real story. But I tell them the light versions
(50:23):
of my mom's story, and I about the part how
I really got in shape.
Speaker 4 (50:29):
But back of your question, go ahead, Well, I also
wanted to ask when it comes to domestic violence with
men all and then saying to each other, you know, all, well,
why didn't you defend yourself? All but there are also
men saying thank you for sharing your story. This happened
(50:50):
to me. We were talking about this recently. It is
important for men to have these support groups where they
can open up to each other.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Yeah, they they don't have them, which is sad. Like
you know that I volunteery this heat release center. It's
actually a church, but it's design names a respit during
the hot months in Arizona, and I spend a lot
of time with homally incarcerated homeless. I see a lot
(51:20):
of drug dealers. I just have to put it out there.
I know who they are too. If I have to
get housing, okay, we go back. If I see eighty
people today, which I see about seventy to eighty three
want to get off the streets? Three or like tired?
Like find me some resources, and I'm pretty good if
(51:41):
I have resources, Like I have a tab on my
computer with a plethora of resources, like for women and
pregnant homeless family. Did you know if you're a pregnant woman,
they can get you off the street tonight, but we
got you. If you're a single mother with all children
under the age of say, like under the age of eighteen,
(52:05):
they're a mind they considered a minor. They're gonna get
you off the street tonight. So I had a woman
come in. She had a seven year old boy, and
I'm like, hey, okay, so there's a rostery fell out. Okay,
we don't ask for their name. If we just asked
how old they are, and if they're a veteran, and
(52:26):
if they're homeless, that's it. Sometimes they gave me their name, like, oh,
I'm Sarah, and I'm like, how long you been? How
long you've been homeless? And she said, oh, about nine months?
I said nine months. I was like, do you have
any resources? You have your family member? She said yeah,
some of them know I'm homeless. So I'm like, let
me find you something. So I go to my uter,
(52:47):
get my tab, call you mom. Oh that's my first
I haven't ordered like call this from first, call us,
the second, call this the third. So I called right.
They were like, describe her what she looked like, how
old is the key? I said, she's right here. You
talked to it, handing my phone. Within an hour, they
were there with some food, a van, and they took
(53:10):
her to a shelter. Now, if you're a man, they're like, mmm, well,
you can go here. Oh no, no, stretch that. If you're
a man with a woman and she's pregnant. This was
the sad part. They'll take her, but they'll separate the family.
They'll separate the man because somebody elders don't take men
(53:33):
men and women. They just take men women only. Some
are just for men, Some are just for just women,
which is sad to me. Yeah, and some of these
men use it as a crutch or as an excuse
to lead the woman. I've seen that hurt my heart.
I thought this one guy, he was like, yeah, she's
(53:54):
eight months pregnant. Yeah, you know, call call the sheldren
so she can be up to street. I'm walking about
my baby and my girl. I can say it for myself.
I can hustle, I could do what I got to do.
And this is by me to listen to him and
being where I'm from, and you know, being all certain
people like that. I've picked up on the nuances. I'm thinking,
you really don't care about this girl. You just want
(54:16):
to get her in the shelters so that you can
dip out. I picked that up. And there's other couples
who were like, I'm with her to the end. If
she can't get in, she doesn't want to go. We
do what y'all do on the streets. So yeah, But
to kind of circumnavigate back to your original question about
the resources and stuff and that have to be too,
(54:36):
you know, redundant. There's far more resources now, Like prisoners
have tablets, to have access to tablets, computers, some of
them have cell phones. I'm like in ninety six, we
had nothing. We had a telephone. You had to call.
This is the collect call from from from a correctional facility.
(54:57):
Do you want to stuff to call? Yeah? Now they
got tablets. I can send text message to some people
right now.
Speaker 4 (55:05):
So when it comes to doing violence, whether you know
it's the because a man a woman. When someone asked
why did they stay? I guess I guess the answer is,
you know, like, uh, I don't know how to answer
(55:26):
that myself. What would you say?
Speaker 3 (55:28):
Why they stay? I can't speak for them, but I
can only speak for me, and speaking for me, I
think I understand why they stayed because for me personally,
I was abused as a child, I was molested, I
grew up. It was particularly by the courts. I think
(55:50):
when I was in that relationship. I saw a part
of me and her. I saw a part of that
child who was from a broken home, who was raised
by a single mom, who was raised by strong, opinioned women,
because the men weren't active in their life. I saw
how the women had to deliver in those dual roles.
(56:13):
So I think for me, when I saw by ex wife,
I think I saw an image of her, like you
were strong, you were just battered. You were probably beat down.
I don't know about your upbringing, and we're gonna make
two misfits works. So I see the potential in you.
I see the I think I saw the good in
(56:37):
her instead of seeing what she was showing me. Like
there's the saying, I saw that sometimes people need to
stop looking for the good people and start looking at
what they're actually showing me. So I like, again, I
chose to ignore the warning signs. I chose to stay
in a dysfunctional relationship, to live under a roof of
(56:59):
a toxic woman. And I take responsibility for myself too.
When I went to therapy, they're like, well, most people
don't do that. I said, yeah, I have to take responsibility.
I allowed myself to be in a situation, I allow
myself to contribute to the to the dysfunction instead of
removing myself from the from the problem. Yeah, yeah, I
(57:21):
know it's I'm my fault, but I chose to be there,
so I have to take some fault. I can't play
the victim all the time. Sometimes I have to be
the victory.
Speaker 4 (57:31):
Well, the reason why I ask why, oh you saying,
because that's a common question and I wanted to deviate
from Okay, now that you heard that, Now you heard
that answer, Now we need to stop asking why they say,
and we need to start asking why did they abuse
this person? What can we do to help?
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Yeah, you're right, that's a tough one.
Speaker 4 (58:00):
And that's what I was like, Okay, now that we
heard this answered, because I know that's always on people's minds.
Now we heard that, the question should be why what
drove them to abuse this person? And that's not something
we can answer, but maybe we can start writing resources
to where we can prevent, hopefully prevent this. Yes, but
(58:24):
you know, but like I said, now that we put
that out there, hopefully we can start deviating from that
and start, oh, not only providing resources to prevent it,
but also providing resources to the person who's going through
this and Okay, what can I do to help you?
And how can I support you?
Speaker 3 (58:44):
That's true, You're right right. I think we'll really never
know the reason why people choose to abuse their spouse.
Maybe some kind of control. Maybe it's because they were
traumatized themselves and they felt small and they have to
bully somebody else. I think here's an example for you.
(59:05):
If we look at animals, Let's take dogs for example,
like the and the shelter, we see people with dogs always, always,
always the ones that have the big dogs. The big
dogs rarely bark, they don't barn, they don't they don't
assert any kind of dominance. But every time, nine point
(59:29):
out of ten, if someone has a small dog like
a chihuah wah or some kind of lap dog, they
always wanted to sort some kind of dominance, like that
was gonna bark. And I think it's a defense mechanism
to appear bigger than what you really are and to
show these other dogs that you're not gonna just push
me around. So I think that's what it is. That's
(59:53):
what it looks like because these big dogs they don't
have to do anything. It's just I'm already just because
I'm just gonna mind my business and sleep. So maybe
the attacker feels that they have to do something to
someone else, somebody exactly, that's protection to them because they
are hurt.
Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
So what I'd like to ask you is, okay, so
saw that you have a patreon, you know, like, how
can we support your work? You know what you do
with homeless because I think very admirable a social media
all that I'll follow. How can we basically support you?
Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Oh, I appreciate that I do have a Patreon, I
do have a coffee account. When you can just give
me a tip, I do have that, you know what.
To be completely honest, I'm more concerned about helping the
homeless people and hope and helping the filming incarcerated people.
I just want to be able to just follow me,
give me a like, give me a subscription, because the
more people that follow me and see my hyperbole, what
(01:01:01):
I want to what I call it is it helps
my fanily helps the algorithm, It helps me get monetized
on YouTube. So that's one way to help. Like I said,
I do have a Patreon, I do have a you know,
you can send me a tip. So if you follow
me on on my website, which is are the number
two facts Artifacts dot tv, you can see all the
(01:01:22):
things that I've done. You can see all of the
the outreach that I do. But recently I've made the
whole segue on YouTube and a YouTube channel still called Artifacts.
You can find me on Artifacts and it has all
My Patreon has everything listed there and you can follow
me there, you can donate there, and that's pretty much it.
(01:01:44):
I do have an all Instagram social media platforms all
the same Artifacts.
Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
We will leave that linked in the description. Thank you
so much for coming on. I had a really good time.
Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
I appreciate I had a good time to you said,
thank you for asking the tough questions. I really appreciate.
Like I said earlier, no question is off limits, and
I really appreciate you for asking the tough questions. I
love it.
Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
I love that you were open to it. Like I said,
this is a fun interview, and everyone make sure to
support them. You know, we'll leave the linksman description and
keep spreading that word zoon me.
Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Afraid of it's side, the cat foodstacke, not every light
is gone and caty baby, don't add a main I speck,
keep it close.
Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
To your heart.
Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
I love the preshures. Kind of shove you kazy because
you're asked to the manness in the morning. It's all
kind of man. It's showing me a fraid of It's
say the cat foodstacke, not every I didn't gone and
guide you.
Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Yeah, when I blow up, I'm gonna saw a highlight
Peter Pan in real life, be living out my dreams.
I'm wicked. Numper cent of fort Land, whole wrist covered
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