November 26, 2023 • 33 mins
In this special episode of "Voiceless Behind Bars," your host Sarah is following up with Timothy McGruder! whose case has sparked a wave of public support! Timothy's arrest lacked proper indictment, a fact brought to light by Prosecutor Jeff Paulsen himself. This episode unravels the layers of Timothy's conviction, emphasizing that his involvement with a gang should not have led to a wrongful murder conviction.
The transcripts from Timothy's case are now accessible on the nonprofit's website. www.voicelessbehindbars.org
To actively contribute to Timothy's cause, listeners are encouraged to sign his petition at Change.org (demonstrating widespread support that will be presented to the judge in the coming months).
The Voiceless Behind Bars mission resonates — bringing wrongful convictions into the public eye, fostering awareness, and inspiring change.
For the latest updates, follow Sarah on TikTok, Instagram, and Threads under the username @itssarahonly.
Additionally, stay connected through Timothy's clemency Instagram account @free_timothymcgruder and his co-defendant Kamil Johnson's account @kamiljohnson25
Your donations, deeply appreciated, not only support Timothy's cause but also aid Sirrena Buie in seeking justice for her son, Kedric Buie. To contribute, visit www.voicelessbehindbars.org or contact Sarah at brockstar86@yahoo.com for alternative donation methods.
Check out our new merch store on Bonfire, featuring "Free Timothy McGruder" merchandise and thought-provoking prison abolition shirts. All proceeds contribute to Voiceless Behind Bars.™️ Visit Voiceless Behind Bars | Official Merchandise | Bonfire to support the cause.
The transcripts from Timothy's case are now accessible on the nonprofit's website. www.voicelessbehindbars.org
To actively contribute to Timothy's cause, listeners are encouraged to sign his petition at Change.org (demonstrating widespread support that will be presented to the judge in the coming months).
The Voiceless Behind Bars mission resonates — bringing wrongful convictions into the public eye, fostering awareness, and inspiring change.
For the latest updates, follow Sarah on TikTok, Instagram, and Threads under the username @itssarahonly.
Additionally, stay connected through Timothy's clemency Instagram account @free_timothymcgruder and his co-defendant Kamil Johnson's account @kamiljohnson25
Your donations, deeply appreciated, not only support Timothy's cause but also aid Sirrena Buie in seeking justice for her son, Kedric Buie. To contribute, visit www.voicelessbehindbars.org or contact Sarah at brockstar86@yahoo.com for alternative donation methods.
Check out our new merch store on Bonfire, featuring "Free Timothy McGruder" merchandise and thought-provoking prison abolition shirts. All proceeds contribute to Voiceless Behind Bars.™️ Visit Voiceless Behind Bars | Official Merchandise | Bonfire to support the cause.
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Hi, Welcome to this very specialepisode of Voices Behind Bars, where I'm
doing an update about Timothy mcgruder's Rockthe Conviction. If you're unfamiliar with it,
please go back to the beginning whereI do a deep dive into it.
I interview Timothy himself, his son, Terrence, his nephew Pound Lada
that's his stage name as Mother Aura. During this update, we were not
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sure where his case was going togo. We were a bit unsure,
but now we remain a lot moreoptimistic and a lot more hopeful, and
we want to stress the fact that'sbecause of you, all your donations,
the fact that you're listening, now, that you've been sharing the podcast,
my video is about you, thatyou've been watching and sharing, you've been
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signing and sharing his petition. We'vegotten this far because of all of you,
and I believe and I know inmy heart that we will see this
all the way through, that God'sgot this, and that this is thanks
to all of you. Never everunderestimate the power of your voices. Please
don't forget about that, because whileI don't have faith in the system,
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I have faith in people. Sothank you again. During this interview,
I asked Timothy about releasing the courttranscripts, making sure that it's legal.
He said it is. So thecourt transcripts, every last one of them,
have been released on the Voiceless behindBars official website Voiceles behind bars dot
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org. So every last one ofthem are on the site. It's very
long, as you can imagine,so I can understand if you don't really
read every last word. But youwill see Timothy's alibi. You will read
from the witnesses who cooperated with thatALTLIBI saying yes, I was there and
know who was not there when thishorrible murder happened. I can test that
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they testify to the fact where hewas when the murder happened. He was
at his aunt's house. And youwill see that evidence was purely hearsay.
You will see for yourself that hiscounsel was completely ineffective. You will see
for yourself that Jeff Paulson, theprosecutor, had them indicted and they weren't
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charged with anything. They were arrestedwithout federal jurisdiction. You will see for
yourself that Keith Elson, to the'sattorney, had shown up thirty minutes late.
And I do ask that we remainrespectful regarding the victim. Because this
four year old lost her life andwe don't know who did it. We
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will probably never get answers. Noone got justice, absolutely, no one,
especially her. Whoever did it,like I said, is still out
there, and the worst thing ofall is that she should still be alive.
So, like I said, atthe end of the day, no
one won I ask that we keepit respectful regarding her because she's the real
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victim and all of this. Youalso seen the transcripts that Timothy is not
a saint, that he was involvedin a gang. While he had nothing
to do with her murder and henever attempted to kill anyone, he still
committed crimes and he still deserved tobe in prison. Not for this crime,
certainly not. But I've always stressedpunish him for what he did,
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not for what he did do.He certainly did not deserve life in prison
without parole. He certainly didn't deservetwenty three years, which is how long
he's been in prison so far.But yeah, he definitely deserved a few
years in prison. I'm not arguewith that. No one is. In
fact, prison was a big wakeup call for Timothy, and sometimes you
need a major wake up call likethat. Not saying that I agree with
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the prison system by any means,but sometimes you do need a big wake
up call like that. And tobe admixed to that too, Timothy admits
to the fact that being in agang is his biggest regret, and again
none of us are arguing with that. So you will see in the transcripts
that Timothy being in a gang didsome ill legal activity as being in a
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gang. I'm sorry to be redundant, but Timothy has been doing everything he
can these past twenty three years torehabilitate himself and he knows it's ongoing that
he's going to have to keep doingthat. But he's not the same person
that he was before he went toprison, absolutely not. He has continued
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to work on himself and he will, like I said, after he gets
out of prison, and he isnot a danger to society. So again,
I thank you for tuning in.I hope you enjoyed this interview.
We hope to have Timothy back verysoon, along with another special guest that
you have heard from during the deepdive that we did. So here it
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is the update with Timothy Decrivater,Zomby, afraid of the tis, be
careful stairs, not every light isgone, and gutty baby, so let
the main ice spike. Keep itclose to your heart. I love the
fashion's gone, and drive you CAZybecause your eyes is the madness in the
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morning. It's all kind of vanish. Jon, be afraid of the tist,
be carefoodstackes, not every lad isgone, and guide you. Yeah,
when I blow up, I'm sohighlight Peter Pan in real life,
be living out my dreams. I'mwaking up. It's in a foreign land,
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whole risk covered up in ice dealership. Hi, welcome the Voice of
Five Bars. I'm your host,Sir the Yarmott, and we've got an
update with Timothy McGruder. I'm fluxfled, oh Timothy, and you don't
mind reintroducing yourself. Hi, everybodydoing today. My name is Timothy mcrudor,
ocked up for the last twenty threeyears of crime. I didn't commit,
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So if you don't mind, we'rejust gonna go back a little bit
because we did our peep dive onyou and we went right into the meat
and potatoes and everything. So we'rejust gonna go back to your beginnings a
little bit. Your mom worked veryhard to provide for your family, like
your siblings. My mother worked forthe post office for shoot years, like
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around like nineteen eighty nine. Shefinally got what you call carfraternto tendan nighties.
It hard for her to work backthen. Yeah, Oh, they
was going. She went through alot of things with the people dealing with
disability and all that stuff, andnever received it, you know. And
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I think that's about the time thatthey and ye when it comes to did
you grow up in Ohio? Wasn't. Yeah, I grew up in Minnesota
and Ohio. I left, Okay, I left Minnesota back in like nineteen
eighty seven. My mother IYO backin nineteen eighty seven, out of Minnesota,
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Fio from the n until about nineteenninety six, ninety seven. Excuse
me, that's that time we wasin Cleveland when you found out you were
gonna be a dad. What wasyour first reaction? My first reaction At
the beginning, I didn't even know. And then we finally found out.
You know, I just chriced it, you know what I'm saying. But
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we've been tightening it every since.Yeah, I remember your mom tell me
about that. You know, wheneverit was time you spend time with Karens.
You know all you were there andevery doesn't surprise me at all because
you have always been close since Karenceis always from being once spoken highly of
you and did in the interview.So yeah, oh yeah, and your
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grandkids. So okay, we're gonnaget right to the case. Oh now,
what's connecting you? The only thing, well, they tried to connect
you to the case, Jeff Paulsonthat that prosecutor. The only what he
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tried to do was connect you tothe drug conspiracy that Tehran, Mlak and
Greg had all been arrested for.And oh go ahead. Actually, actually
Malik was never arrested for the drugexperience. Oh so what was he arrested
for? It was just Greg andthat was a reason for the drug conspience.
The only thing that linked us alltogether was that we was all in
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the same membership of the same game. That was it. You know what
I'm saying. What they did,what they drug conspiracy had nothing to do
with us. Before Like twenty fourteen, rig Hives and Toron Williams sign Alfa
Davis saying that they drug conspiracy hadnothing to do with us. But the
record even said in their grand jurytestimony to Roan says itself, my drug,
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my drug supply, with my drugsupplies. It wasn't the Rowland sixties
drug supplier. You don't see thaton his own. But they still excuse
me. They still used that afederal nexus, which was what they referenced
it as a federal nexus, whichis completely unlawful. Exactly because they did
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that. This is what's been holdingus in prison. Why I say us
me Malik and Camille, I meannot Malik, me Crenshawn Camille since the
beginning. But if you add,like I said, to ask the question,
the lawful question, can the drugsjust be referenced to an indictment nobody
else? This is a question becausethey know it's not real. And then
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when you try to file up onthis, they what they do is they
just don't answer them. But thejudge lately they've been saying yes, they
has a referenced from my question tothe rest of the course is like,
how y'all letting it stand and youknow it's unlawful. That's a week miscarriage
justice, right, So when doyou indicted you. I mean we charged
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you with nothing. Well, itcharged with the nineteen fifty nine by itself,
and at a good see two,which is aiding in the bed.
That's by itself. But the questionis nineteen fifty nine is a murder in
an Aida racketeering. That's one formof aid in the bed. You got
another aid in the bed? Whatdid we aid in the bet? We
ain't even charged with nothing that weaided in the bet I got except for
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they referenced these drugs. But withoutcharging none of this stuff. What are
we aiding in a bet? Whatwe ain't superseded, merged or nothing to
another indictment. So a question canremain that this stuck is what did we
aid? This call is from astateral prison. Excuse me, what do
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we aid in the bet? Otherthan aid in the bet you get won't
come from yeah, exactly, Andthey never proved it. I've read the
transcripts. They never proved that.Oh, prosecutor. Actually, at the
first thirty minutes a trial again,I say this, the first thirty minutes
a trial, Camille's lawyer was makinga hearsay argument and the judge says that
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it doesn't conspiracy. You have aproblem, and well, Brian Wolf told
it was round. There is noconspiracy. In fact, it runs a
file means meaning that it statute oflimitation has aspired. And the prosecutor says,
well, I explain to you,I ain't charged conspiracy. That doesn't
negate the fact that the conspiracy exists. That clearly was one. Okay,
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if it clearly was, why didn'tyou charge it? Because nineteen fifty nine,
ain't no conspiracy by himself aiding inthe bed, ain't no conspiracy by
himself. The thing I'm arguing,I keep saying that nobody's hearing this.
What else is there to this indictment? Per charge? Grand Jurry sat down
as a charge that we aiding ina betty because if you look at every
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other case that's similar to mine,they got their case overturned. They didn't
stand, you know what I'm saying, and through the like they didn't stand.
How is this one standing exactly?Yeah, I've been in the federal
system. I've been like I'm twentythree years. I came from the state
for god, I've been in thefederal system since two thousand and two.
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I got indicted. Yeah, twothousand and two. I got indicted,
and I've been indicted on this situation, which is completely unlawful. As I'm
reading Legal Times, I'm reading theunderstanding this. But what they doing is
they procedure will bar me. Saywhat do you? I don't have nothing
to up under as far as avehicle. Okay, there's no motion that
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I can follow them under. Everybody'stelling me the file compassion release. But
in reality, I'm looking at itand I'm like, well, okay,
we can do that, but ifwe're going back to the same judge,
it will just file the compassion releasetoo, who told me this is not
a due over sentence and admit itagain that this is the drug that the
drugs reference. So now I'm like, what the hell's going on? Yeah?
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Right, I mean I agree withyou, It's like I means a
reference. I'm baffled, you know. Yeah. Even when I talk to
some people that's legal professionals, theytell me, I'm an understand they had
to charge with something else, AndI said, no, you look at
the diapman only got charged with aone kind of ditment period. Okay,
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Now, if you're saying that thisone kind of ditment that tells this one
charge and tells all of this.Then what you're saying is that the datment
is uh defected and it's the dupliciouslydefected. But you can't argue duplicity and
less to that pre trial and theattorney never argued it. And as I
come to hellard, he said hedidn't challenge He didn't challenge the jurisdiction.
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He didn't challenge the drugs because heain't want to. Yeah. Yeah.
When I spoke to the secretary,I said, well, the problem is
he wasn't in the first thirty minutesin order to challenge it. And his
secretary said, well, he couldhave challenge it at any time. And
I thought, do you not justrealize what you just met? It to
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me? Yeah, And like Isaid, in that situation, that contexts
not deal well, I mean,like here we go again. For one,
I had to do my dumb lawyerfor real. I think he was
inexperience to even try a case likethis. Oh yeah, these type of
cases deserve people that got some typeof history or experience with it, and
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my attorney didn't. That's the reasonwhy when you look at my trial,
trust and the whole through I'll trial. All he did was badger the dude
was about their drug a conspiracy.You know what I'm saying. He never
even challenged to say, well,wait a minute, you're ana, this
is had nothing to do with them. You're wait a minute, Rana.
But then again, he wasn't therefor that thirty minutes to hear dude say
that he never charged the conspiracy period. But without the conspiracy of the drugs,
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what do we have They required federalnexus for the nineteen fifty nine That's
the question. Nobody want to askthe question. Like I said, I
can't. I'm trying to figure outa way to get it there legally.
But they here we go again.They say there is no uh, I'm
procedure. I don't have no proceduresthat I can follow them. So it's
like saying, I mean, myquestion is why was he where's arrested?
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Elague was arrested because they said thathe was a year the white driver when
Roan and Greg was a Bobara rayand they said they blamed the league Crenshaw
and them Johnson for the murder MalikCarute. They keep saying was a getaway
driver. But like I say,me, I don't we never, I
don't hang out with elite. Youknow what I'm saying. So at the
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end of the day, but thenhere we go. Malik allegedly was a
getaway driver. Pete tell them,okay, we only gonna give you,
uh for your cooperation. We giveyou any more, no more than ten
years. He ended up getting fiveand a half. Okay, I get
we go to I go to trial. I exercised my right to trial,
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saying that I didn't do nothing Ihad to do with this. What they
did was even though they try tosay the person they keep a legend with
me never shot a gun, waspresent, never shot a gun. I
still because I exercised my right totrial, they still give me the same
max they did if I was ashooter. You know what I'm saying.
But in a disparity. It's adisparity and centizen know what I'm saying,
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Just because I exercised my right totry when they took a plea bargain,
how does it make it where Iget to steal same full of stick is
he do? Yeah? And anotherthing is no, let you see me
Okay. Well, one of thebook witnesses we already went over. She
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described the person she saw us havingcorn rose But who was it? That
asked her, all, is thatthe man you saw? And she said,
I can't answer that. I don'tfeel comfortable with saying that. That
was Jeffrey F. PAULSS think hername was Jane. Her name was Jane
Summerfield. She was actually remember her. She was actually only seen when the
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situation happened to Fayed with her friendswatching the little cars or whatever, and
they was on a flatbed truck,I guess, And she basically said the
person she seen had corn rose braidsin nineteen ninety six, I never looked
like that. I didn't have nocorners. I had what you would call
the ball fade. And anybody knowme, No, that's the only air
that I already rocked ever in mylife. Oh yeah, Like I remember
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parents at says to that Brion didye. Yeah. So it's like,
but my thing is, who doyou believe? Do you believe the eyewitness
that's sat there and watching what happened? Do you believe these dudes have got
some of the game from yeah,deals right, So it's like it's just
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it's just a it's a it's A, it's a it's a it's a mean
situation, and a lot of alot of the times it's like what do
you do? You know what I'msaying. It gets frustrated, but I
still fight. I still strive,you know what I mean, because at
the end of the day, Iknow how he did and wrong and at
the same time, I know somebodygot it. Somebody got to read it
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or hear this and say, waita minute, let's do something about this.
So let's time is the capacity releasewhere you're getting more guidance? What
do you think is the best wayto argue it this time around? To
be honest with the compassion reasons,I'm like, I'm like stumped with the
reason I say this is because,like I said, I gotta go in
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from the same judge. I don'tknow what's gonna be done. It's really
gonna be different from what I did, you know what I mean, because
I argued a lot of the same, a lot of stuff that that I
needed to put in. But theonly thing difference is like now they just
passed some uh they passed some newlaws I guess, changing the uh the
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factors of compassion release. Because atthe beginning it was real, real tight
knit, you know what I mean. But now they give it more leeway
to it, like for me,the extraordinary circumstances of rehabilitation, which is
one of my arguments. They say, gotta be coupled with something else.
Okay, Like I said, Idon't have no health issues. I've been
pretty much taking care of myself,you know what I'm saying. Just for
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the time. They got a thingwhere they say being in it ten years
or more. I got that inmy favor. The thing about one being
under twenty by a legend at thetime of the offense, that's going in
my favor of the disparity of sentencein which I'll just explained earlier about how
the dude Malik or Rupe got fiveand a half years for they ain't even
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charging with the nineteen fifty nine.They just charged him with conspiracy to commit
murder. So it's like he gota lesser inclusive offense for his testimony.
But here go again with the disparity. They say he never shot no one
or never he was just a driver. Then they say, and the person
they keep trying to say it wasme never shot no one. So my
thing is to give me a fullextent, But I don't have a no
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type of a recourse. Then it'slike what you feel me. So that's
another thing I got going going goingfor me. Possibly I don't know what.
Like I say, you were ableto bring in a lot of things
that was retroactive in the past,that was that was brought up prior for
like new laws that they're able toimplement now. So I got to just
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see what twenty twenty alert, that'sthe people that's doing my uh compassion release
the pair of legal service. Seewhat twenty two alert actually has. What
are they gonna do? But likebasically I'm finding I'm just looking for letting
the professionals do it. Now.See what happened. So as far as
the affidavits go, there not beingnotized. You can't use those, No,
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they won't. But but but whathappened, what I did do was
at the time it happened, excuseme, at the time it happened,
I had bresarive phone records from aconversation with me and Greg Hans and I
actually, ma'am, what y'all whaty'all telling the people? Y'all ain't signed
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AFFI Davis for he say, no, we did sign an affidavis he said,
I did sign that. We didsign out there. I gave him
to your mom and your brother.It's what he says. So my mother
and my brother actually also filed AFFIDavids got him notarized, saying that that
he gave them to them. Butthe record the phone wreckers is this call
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is from a federal prison. Excuseme, the phone records are preserved the
us p caan it. The thingis is without me having an open case,
excuse me, the judge has tosubpoena the records. I can't just
get them myself. It has tobe a judge order. And again I
don't know what the judge gonna do. I really have I ask for them
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to do it when I filed aresponse, but the judge never did.
It is just deny my motion ona twenty fifty five second and successful.
Hone knew that discovered evidence. Sowith that, I don't know what because,
like I say, they basically admittingthat they drugs experiency had nothing to
do with me, and like Isay, they trying to place me at
some gang meetings in nineteen ninety six, I mean nineteen ninety five, but
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the course of saying that the meansis in nineteen ninety six, which is
a lie. And I'm remember thatthey did a dispatch from the police department
breaking up these large gamings at thisCentral High school. But it seems now
the dispatch tape doesn't even exist,right, which I know it does,
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but we don't have it. Wedon't have it to have it. But
without a judge or a lawyer goingto them to add listen, we know
this exists. If you don't giveme this, this what's gonna happen?
They gonna continue to just lie aboutit. So then here we go again.
My thing is now again, whatdo I What can I do at
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this moment? I can't do nothing, you know what I'm saying. So
I'm just I gotta say it withoutthe professional help. I think this without
the lawyer, that ain't gonna help. But like I say, this is
what they did knowing that I wasn'tat these meetings. So I'm gonna have
to get this off the record.I have a few ideas, but I
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have to run it, buy youquietly or something. So as far as
the transcripts go, now, amI legally allowed to release them. Just
freedom of information. Anybody can givemy transcripts, okay, talking to the
guy who wants my website about releasingthem. So we're I just wanted to
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get your okay, Yeah, youcan. Like I say, at the
end of the day, ain't nothingin my transcripts that I'm high. And
it is what it is. SoI'm thinking, we have nothing to hide.
Yeah, And it's like I said, it's public information. You know
what I'm saying. So it's ifyou can go a pacer right now and
look up my trials transcripts and getit. Only thing I ain't got is
my sense of trans because I don'tknow what happened with that my project.
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My lawyer never even ordered my senseof transcripts, so I'm i thinking that's
another thing you never order. Sohe how could you follow a successful direct
appeal without order them? Do youknow what I'm saying. So it's like
it's a lot of the craziness.Then they give me it's fine for twenty
thinkave it's a fine. It's twentythousand dollars. Twenty thousand, eight hundred
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and sixty sixty dollars. They stillgot this fine on me for twenty years,
have been over twenty one years overpaying this fine. Just recently they
pull up on me and say,hey, instead of you paying a quarterly
rate of twenty five thirty five dollars, they say, we want you to
pay quarterly three hundred and fifty dollars. How that's impossible. Now, what
you're doing is extorting our families.My family want in prison. That's the
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new wall that they may have onplace. But the thing about it is,
again, where do you get thismoney from? If my family ain't
given it, tell me how muchget it? You ain't giving me no
job. There's no jobs a buyingfor in the institution. So where you're
getting it from? That's what myhusband was asking. Where where they gotta
get the money from? That's whatI'm saying. But they not looking at
it like that because because one ladytell me, she say, well,
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you got to pay it. Idon't. We don't care how you pay.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoahwoah. What do you mean because
you account for some money that Igot six months prior that's gone, So
you want me wouldn't So maybe itwas maybe it was just a good month
for my family, you know,good six months for my family. Now
it ain't no good six months.Now you're telling me that you're willing to
put me out a program refusal becauseof this, And that made no sense
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then, like you say, onthe thing, they got a case with
dude, just one. What they'resaying that after twenty years the mva R,
which is the mandatory factor victims arestitution, it's expired, but I'm
still paying after twenty one years.So banks you going over the expiration anyway?
Yeah, exactly, that's what they'redoing. So do we contact all
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the head of the Federal Bureau ofPrisons about us? Yeah? I don't
know who the actually contact. That'swhat I would know. They would have
alert twenty twenty because they had justput posted it on the as a federal
I mean as a legal leading legalnewsletter that they sent out regularly. They
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do. One spoke about it,So I was gonna ask them about that
too when I, uh, whenI talked to them again, Yeah,
I don't know who. I don'tknow who to talk to you because I
fouled already told my judge about thisover a year ago. Yeah, and
he just denied it. But asI look at the thing, it's not
the districtor who's making these rulers.The district court has denied everything and allowing
the appeals court to make the decisions. So I don't know as far as
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the lawyer goes. All legally speaking, they have to take one pro bone
ocase a year. So I'm gonnaleave like contact information the description if anyone
knows anything about that. I knowit's a shot in the dark, but
it's worth taking. Yes, I'mlike I say, anybody any help of
work, and if it happened,it happened. Like I said, the
only thing we could do is likeI work in these situations because at the
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end of the day, it sometimesseems like we're dealing with a with an
evil system. And then the onlything you can do is sit back and
wait. This call is from aprison. All you can do is do
your best. It's all we cando in life, period or anything,
is to do our best. Youknow what I'm saying, Because at the
end of the day, they gonnathey got, they got, they got
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a plan and the scheme that theystick it to. And it's like even
when they know they're wrong. Theydon't want to say, hey, man,
if we was wrong in this situation, and that's not law. But
you're supposed to be impartial, you'resupposed to be unbiased, but it's not
really like that when you're looking atit from this standpoint. We can do
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and all we can do is andall we can do is pray and pray
and ask God to put it inthe heart of these people that these people
will will will have some type ofunderstanding of this situation. Are the laws
that they created because you say onething and somebody do something opposite to it,
and you hold on to it forwhatever you because it's act like my
person actually did a personal thing towardsthem. This is what they seem like
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sometimes like you personally just violated themand it's like wow, no, But
like I say, at the endof the day, we just got to
just remain staff fast in these situationsand let God do what he do.
You know, Yeah, I knowthat, I knowing, I do understand,
don't misconstrue. I understand that itwas the life of a baby that
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got to the four year old manand the that's that's like heartbreaking for anybody
to see you know what I'm saying, because this is a tragedy. You
know what I'm saying. It's ababy, and I know they want somebody
to suffer for that. You knowwhat I'm saying. The thing is is
you can't just do it like they'redoing it, because what they're doing is
they over pushing something and then theygetting anybody and making anybody and say it
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basically basically what they say in thatsituation unless they used part of this game.
This is what happened. They say, this game and one did it?
Your a lessen to yo, yourfriends or homies or whatever. It's
saying, you did it, soguess what you did it, and we
don't care how you fix it.Poor damn you know what I'm saying.
But that's the way they look atit. They just we want real justice
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for her. We want the personwhoever did it, we want them in
prison. We want actual justice forher. She deserves that. True.
And the thing I say a lotof times, and I think I say
this one hundred times, I don'tbelieve that whoever it was, that was
a purpose they make It was likeit was some purpose and you kt really
justify none of it the thing isit just this is the bullshit way we
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live, no different than over thereand Gaza and Israel. They's bombing places
where they vombing in every lot oflittle people are dying because they just they
doing what they doing, you knowwhat I'm saying. And it's like it's
all sad, all of us justsad. And then like again, like
I say, we didn't a lotof people that did a lot of stuff,
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you know what I'm saying, Butthe ain't nobody looking at like,
Okay, do I feel like doI feel like we should all be punished
for the rest of our lives forerror? This is what the core system
is like. We don't care aboutwhether you it was one time or two
times in your life. We justwant to make everybody suffer for this now.
We don't care about it. Andyou take a person's life and then
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you tell him you want to payall his money and then you tell them,
okay, you ain'tn't paid, We'regonna make your family pay it.
What kind of shit is that?Oh yeah, I've had discussions with people
online were we said, okay,they're way Do you trigger happy with the
life in prisons without parole. Theydo they ever do that? Yeah,
because it's like they said, theperson irrevocable, like you just can't come,
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can't change your life like you irrecourageable, like you just can't change your
life. Shit, just because oneslip and stumble don't mean that they fall
and stay down forever. You knowwhat I'm saying. They got to be
some time of uprising. They lifepossible. So you got to check and
see a check in maybe a person. That's what parole was for. Let's
see if this person changes life.Let's if the person have a different outlook
on life, you know what Imean. But they don't do that.
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No, yeah, right, butthey don't do that no more. They
just like, no, we ain'tdoing none of that. You were giving
you this and this is what itis, right unless you're part of the
elite, right, it's all mydad up. All right, Well,
thank you so much for doing thisand we will catch up with you soon,
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Okay, thank you. I loveeverybody. Thank you, and we
look out for the raffle that Igot. Don't be look out for the
raffle that I got going on withthe Teddy Bears real soon, be on
the lookout page. Thank you again, Sarah, and thank everybody. I
love everybody. We love you too. Thanks. Don't be afraid of it.
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The care food stays not every lightis gone. And cardy baby lad
and mans fact. Keep it closeto your hurt. I love the fashion's
kind and Javy Dasy because your riskisn't bad in the morning, it's all
Gonda van and strong. Be afraidof the life. Be careful with stars.
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Not every lie is gonna guide yougonna go. Yeah, when I
blow up, i'm'a saw a highlightPeter Pan in real life. Be living
out my dreams. If I'm wakingup, it's in a foreign land,
whole wrist covered up in ice.Dealership never has the price
Hi, Welcome to this very specialepisode of Voices Behind Bars, where I'm
doing an update about Timothy mcgruder's Rockthe Conviction. If you're unfamiliar with it,
please go back to the beginning whereI do a deep dive into it.
I interview Timothy himself, his son, Terrence, his nephew Pound Lada
that's his stage name as Mother Aura. During this update, we were not
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sure where his case was going togo. We were a bit unsure,
but now we remain a lot moreoptimistic and a lot more hopeful, and
we want to stress the fact that'sbecause of you, all your donations,
the fact that you're listening, now, that you've been sharing the podcast,
my video is about you, thatyou've been watching and sharing, you've been
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signing and sharing his petition. We'vegotten this far because of all of you,
and I believe and I know inmy heart that we will see this
all the way through, that God'sgot this, and that this is thanks
to all of you. Never everunderestimate the power of your voices. Please
don't forget about that, because whileI don't have faith in the system,
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I have faith in people. Sothank you again. During this interview,
I asked Timothy about releasing the courttranscripts, making sure that it's legal.
He said it is. So thecourt transcripts, every last one of them,
have been released on the Voiceless behindBars official website Voiceles behind bars dot
(01:33):
org. So every last one ofthem are on the site. It's very
long, as you can imagine,so I can understand if you don't really
read every last word. But youwill see Timothy's alibi. You will read
from the witnesses who cooperated with thatALTLIBI saying yes, I was there and
know who was not there when thishorrible murder happened. I can test that
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they testify to the fact where hewas when the murder happened. He was
at his aunt's house. And youwill see that evidence was purely hearsay.
You will see for yourself that hiscounsel was completely ineffective. You will see
for yourself that Jeff Paulson, theprosecutor, had them indicted and they weren't
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charged with anything. They were arrestedwithout federal jurisdiction. You will see for
yourself that Keith Elson, to the'sattorney, had shown up thirty minutes late.
And I do ask that we remainrespectful regarding the victim. Because this
four year old lost her life andwe don't know who did it. We
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will probably never get answers. Noone got justice, absolutely, no one,
especially her. Whoever did it,like I said, is still out
there, and the worst thing ofall is that she should still be alive.
So, like I said, atthe end of the day, no
one won I ask that we keepit respectful regarding her because she's the real
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victim and all of this. Youalso seen the transcripts that Timothy is not
a saint, that he was involvedin a gang. While he had nothing
to do with her murder and henever attempted to kill anyone, he still
committed crimes and he still deserved tobe in prison. Not for this crime,
certainly not. But I've always stressedpunish him for what he did,
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not for what he did do.He certainly did not deserve life in prison
without parole. He certainly didn't deservetwenty three years, which is how long
he's been in prison so far.But yeah, he definitely deserved a few
years in prison. I'm not arguewith that. No one is. In
fact, prison was a big wakeup call for Timothy, and sometimes you
need a major wake up call likethat. Not saying that I agree with
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the prison system by any means,but sometimes you do need a big wake
up call like that. And tobe admixed to that too, Timothy admits
to the fact that being in agang is his biggest regret, and again
none of us are arguing with that. So you will see in the transcripts
that Timothy being in a gang didsome ill legal activity as being in a
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gang. I'm sorry to be redundant, but Timothy has been doing everything he
can these past twenty three years torehabilitate himself and he knows it's ongoing that
he's going to have to keep doingthat. But he's not the same person
that he was before he went toprison, absolutely not. He has continued
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to work on himself and he will, like I said, after he gets
out of prison, and he isnot a danger to society. So again,
I thank you for tuning in.I hope you enjoyed this interview.
We hope to have Timothy back verysoon, along with another special guest that
you have heard from during the deepdive that we did. So here it
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is the update with Timothy Decrivater,Zomby, afraid of the tis, be
careful stairs, not every light isgone, and gutty baby, so let
the main ice spike. Keep itclose to your heart. I love the
fashion's gone, and drive you CAZybecause your eyes is the madness in the
(05:25):
morning. It's all kind of vanish. Jon, be afraid of the tist,
be carefoodstackes, not every lad isgone, and guide you. Yeah,
when I blow up, I'm sohighlight Peter Pan in real life,
be living out my dreams. I'mwaking up. It's in a foreign land,
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whole risk covered up in ice dealership. Hi, welcome the Voice of
Five Bars. I'm your host,Sir the Yarmott, and we've got an
update with Timothy McGruder. I'm fluxfled, oh Timothy, and you don't
mind reintroducing yourself. Hi, everybodydoing today. My name is Timothy mcrudor,
ocked up for the last twenty threeyears of crime. I didn't commit,
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So if you don't mind, we'rejust gonna go back a little bit
because we did our peep dive onyou and we went right into the meat
and potatoes and everything. So we'rejust gonna go back to your beginnings a
little bit. Your mom worked veryhard to provide for your family, like
your siblings. My mother worked forthe post office for shoot years, like
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around like nineteen eighty nine. Shefinally got what you call carfraternto tendan nighties.
It hard for her to work backthen. Yeah, Oh, they
was going. She went through alot of things with the people dealing with
disability and all that stuff, andnever received it, you know. And
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I think that's about the time thatthey and ye when it comes to did
you grow up in Ohio? Wasn't. Yeah, I grew up in Minnesota
and Ohio. I left, Okay, I left Minnesota back in like nineteen
eighty seven. My mother IYO backin nineteen eighty seven, out of Minnesota,
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Fio from the n until about nineteenninety six, ninety seven. Excuse
me, that's that time we wasin Cleveland when you found out you were
gonna be a dad. What wasyour first reaction? My first reaction At
the beginning, I didn't even know. And then we finally found out.
You know, I just chriced it, you know what I'm saying. But
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we've been tightening it every since.Yeah, I remember your mom tell me
about that. You know, wheneverit was time you spend time with Karens.
You know all you were there andevery doesn't surprise me at all because
you have always been close since Karenceis always from being once spoken highly of
you and did in the interview.So yeah, oh yeah, and your
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grandkids. So okay, we're gonnaget right to the case. Oh now,
what's connecting you? The only thing, well, they tried to connect
you to the case, Jeff Paulsonthat that prosecutor. The only what he
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tried to do was connect you tothe drug conspiracy that Tehran, Mlak and
Greg had all been arrested for.And oh go ahead. Actually, actually
Malik was never arrested for the drugexperience. Oh so what was he arrested
for? It was just Greg andthat was a reason for the drug conspience.
The only thing that linked us alltogether was that we was all in
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the same membership of the same game. That was it. You know what
I'm saying. What they did,what they drug conspiracy had nothing to do
with us. Before Like twenty fourteen, rig Hives and Toron Williams sign Alfa
Davis saying that they drug conspiracy hadnothing to do with us. But the
record even said in their grand jurytestimony to Roan says itself, my drug,
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my drug supply, with my drugsupplies. It wasn't the Rowland sixties
drug supplier. You don't see thaton his own. But they still excuse
me. They still used that afederal nexus, which was what they referenced
it as a federal nexus, whichis completely unlawful. Exactly because they did
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that. This is what's been holdingus in prison. Why I say us
me Malik and Camille, I meannot Malik, me Crenshawn Camille since the
beginning. But if you add,like I said, to ask the question,
the lawful question, can the drugsjust be referenced to an indictment nobody
else? This is a question becausethey know it's not real. And then
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when you try to file up onthis, they what they do is they
just don't answer them. But thejudge lately they've been saying yes, they
has a referenced from my question tothe rest of the course is like,
how y'all letting it stand and youknow it's unlawful. That's a week miscarriage
justice, right, So when doyou indicted you. I mean we charged
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you with nothing. Well, itcharged with the nineteen fifty nine by itself,
and at a good see two,which is aiding in the bed.
That's by itself. But the questionis nineteen fifty nine is a murder in
an Aida racketeering. That's one formof aid in the bed. You got
another aid in the bed? Whatdid we aid in the bet? We
ain't even charged with nothing that weaided in the bet I got except for
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they referenced these drugs. But withoutcharging none of this stuff. What are
we aiding in a bet? Whatwe ain't superseded, merged or nothing to
another indictment. So a question canremain that this stuck is what did we
aid? This call is from astateral prison. Excuse me, what do
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we aid in the bet? Otherthan aid in the bet you get won't
come from yeah, exactly, Andthey never proved it. I've read the
transcripts. They never proved that.Oh, prosecutor. Actually, at the
first thirty minutes a trial again,I say this, the first thirty minutes
a trial, Camille's lawyer was makinga hearsay argument and the judge says that
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it doesn't conspiracy. You have aproblem, and well, Brian Wolf told
it was round. There is noconspiracy. In fact, it runs a
file means meaning that it statute oflimitation has aspired. And the prosecutor says,
well, I explain to you,I ain't charged conspiracy. That doesn't
negate the fact that the conspiracy exists. That clearly was one. Okay,
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if it clearly was, why didn'tyou charge it? Because nineteen fifty nine,
ain't no conspiracy by himself aiding inthe bed, ain't no conspiracy by
himself. The thing I'm arguing,I keep saying that nobody's hearing this.
What else is there to this indictment? Per charge? Grand Jurry sat down
as a charge that we aiding ina betty because if you look at every
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other case that's similar to mine,they got their case overturned. They didn't
stand, you know what I'm saying, and through the like they didn't stand.
How is this one standing exactly?Yeah, I've been in the federal
system. I've been like I'm twentythree years. I came from the state
for god, I've been in thefederal system since two thousand and two.
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I got indicted. Yeah, twothousand and two. I got indicted,
and I've been indicted on this situation, which is completely unlawful. As I'm
reading Legal Times, I'm reading theunderstanding this. But what they doing is
they procedure will bar me. Saywhat do you? I don't have nothing
to up under as far as avehicle. Okay, there's no motion that
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I can follow them under. Everybody'stelling me the file compassion release. But
in reality, I'm looking at itand I'm like, well, okay,
we can do that, but ifwe're going back to the same judge,
it will just file the compassion releasetoo, who told me this is not
a due over sentence and admit itagain that this is the drug that the
drugs reference. So now I'm like, what the hell's going on? Yeah?
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Right, I mean I agree withyou, It's like I means a
reference. I'm baffled, you know. Yeah. Even when I talk to
some people that's legal professionals, theytell me, I'm an understand they had
to charge with something else, AndI said, no, you look at
the diapman only got charged with aone kind of ditment period. Okay,
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Now, if you're saying that thisone kind of ditment that tells this one
charge and tells all of this.Then what you're saying is that the datment
is uh defected and it's the dupliciouslydefected. But you can't argue duplicity and
less to that pre trial and theattorney never argued it. And as I
come to hellard, he said hedidn't challenge He didn't challenge the jurisdiction.
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He didn't challenge the drugs because heain't want to. Yeah. Yeah.
When I spoke to the secretary,I said, well, the problem is
he wasn't in the first thirty minutesin order to challenge it. And his
secretary said, well, he couldhave challenge it at any time. And
I thought, do you not justrealize what you just met? It to
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me? Yeah, And like Isaid, in that situation, that contexts
not deal well, I mean,like here we go again. For one,
I had to do my dumb lawyerfor real. I think he was
inexperience to even try a case likethis. Oh yeah, these type of
cases deserve people that got some typeof history or experience with it, and
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my attorney didn't. That's the reasonwhy when you look at my trial,
trust and the whole through I'll trial. All he did was badger the dude
was about their drug a conspiracy.You know what I'm saying. He never
even challenged to say, well,wait a minute, you're ana, this
is had nothing to do with them. You're wait a minute, Rana.
But then again, he wasn't therefor that thirty minutes to hear dude say
that he never charged the conspiracy period. But without the conspiracy of the drugs,
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what do we have They required federalnexus for the nineteen fifty nine That's
the question. Nobody want to askthe question. Like I said, I
can't. I'm trying to figure outa way to get it there legally.
But they here we go again.They say there is no uh, I'm
procedure. I don't have no proceduresthat I can follow them. So it's
like saying, I mean, myquestion is why was he where's arrested?
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Elague was arrested because they said thathe was a year the white driver when
Roan and Greg was a Bobara rayand they said they blamed the league Crenshaw
and them Johnson for the murder MalikCarute. They keep saying was a getaway
driver. But like I say,me, I don't we never, I
don't hang out with elite. Youknow what I'm saying. So at the
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end of the day, but thenhere we go. Malik allegedly was a
getaway driver. Pete tell them,okay, we only gonna give you,
uh for your cooperation. We giveyou any more, no more than ten
years. He ended up getting fiveand a half. Okay, I get
we go to I go to trial. I exercised my right to trial,
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saying that I didn't do nothing Ihad to do with this. What they
did was even though they try tosay the person they keep a legend with
me never shot a gun, waspresent, never shot a gun. I
still because I exercised my right totrial, they still give me the same
max they did if I was ashooter. You know what I'm saying.
But in a disparity. It's adisparity and centizen know what I'm saying,
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Just because I exercised my right totry when they took a plea bargain,
how does it make it where Iget to steal same full of stick is
he do? Yeah? And anotherthing is no, let you see me
Okay. Well, one of thebook witnesses we already went over. She
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described the person she saw us havingcorn rose But who was it? That
asked her, all, is thatthe man you saw? And she said,
I can't answer that. I don'tfeel comfortable with saying that. That
was Jeffrey F. PAULSS think hername was Jane. Her name was Jane
Summerfield. She was actually remember her. She was actually only seen when the
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situation happened to Fayed with her friendswatching the little cars or whatever, and
they was on a flatbed truck,I guess, And she basically said the
person she seen had corn rose braidsin nineteen ninety six, I never looked
like that. I didn't have nocorners. I had what you would call
the ball fade. And anybody knowme, No, that's the only air
that I already rocked ever in mylife. Oh yeah, Like I remember
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parents at says to that Brion didye. Yeah. So it's like,
but my thing is, who doyou believe? Do you believe the eyewitness
that's sat there and watching what happened? Do you believe these dudes have got
some of the game from yeah,deals right, So it's like it's just
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it's just a it's a it's A, it's a it's a it's a mean
situation, and a lot of alot of the times it's like what do
you do? You know what I'msaying. It gets frustrated, but I
still fight. I still strive,you know what I mean, because at
the end of the day, Iknow how he did and wrong and at
the same time, I know somebodygot it. Somebody got to read it
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or hear this and say, waita minute, let's do something about this.
So let's time is the capacity releasewhere you're getting more guidance? What
do you think is the best wayto argue it this time around? To
be honest with the compassion reasons,I'm like, I'm like stumped with the
reason I say this is because,like I said, I gotta go in
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from the same judge. I don'tknow what's gonna be done. It's really
gonna be different from what I did, you know what I mean, because
I argued a lot of the same, a lot of stuff that that I
needed to put in. But theonly thing difference is like now they just
passed some uh they passed some newlaws I guess, changing the uh the
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factors of compassion release. Because atthe beginning it was real, real tight
knit, you know what I mean. But now they give it more leeway
to it, like for me,the extraordinary circumstances of rehabilitation, which is
one of my arguments. They say, gotta be coupled with something else.
Okay, Like I said, Idon't have no health issues. I've been
pretty much taking care of myself,you know what I'm saying. Just for
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the time. They got a thingwhere they say being in it ten years
or more. I got that inmy favor. The thing about one being
under twenty by a legend at thetime of the offense, that's going in
my favor of the disparity of sentencein which I'll just explained earlier about how
the dude Malik or Rupe got fiveand a half years for they ain't even
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charging with the nineteen fifty nine.They just charged him with conspiracy to commit
murder. So it's like he gota lesser inclusive offense for his testimony.
But here go again with the disparity. They say he never shot no one
or never he was just a driver. Then they say, and the person
they keep trying to say it wasme never shot no one. So my
thing is to give me a fullextent, But I don't have a no
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type of a recourse. Then it'slike what you feel me. So that's
another thing I got going going goingfor me. Possibly I don't know what.
Like I say, you were ableto bring in a lot of things
that was retroactive in the past,that was that was brought up prior for
like new laws that they're able toimplement now. So I got to just
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see what twenty twenty alert, that'sthe people that's doing my uh compassion release
the pair of legal service. Seewhat twenty two alert actually has. What
are they gonna do? But likebasically I'm finding I'm just looking for letting
the professionals do it. Now.See what happened. So as far as
the affidavits go, there not beingnotized. You can't use those, No,
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they won't. But but but whathappened, what I did do was
at the time it happened, excuseme, at the time it happened,
I had bresarive phone records from aconversation with me and Greg Hans and I
actually, ma'am, what y'all whaty'all telling the people? Y'all ain't signed
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AFFI Davis for he say, no, we did sign an affidavis he said,
I did sign that. We didsign out there. I gave him
to your mom and your brother.It's what he says. So my mother
and my brother actually also filed AFFIDavids got him notarized, saying that that
he gave them to them. Butthe record the phone wreckers is this call
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is from a federal prison. Excuseme, the phone records are preserved the
us p caan it. The thingis is without me having an open case,
excuse me, the judge has tosubpoena the records. I can't just
get them myself. It has tobe a judge order. And again I
don't know what the judge gonna do. I really have I ask for them
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to do it when I filed aresponse, but the judge never did.
It is just deny my motion ona twenty fifty five second and successful.
Hone knew that discovered evidence. Sowith that, I don't know what because,
like I say, they basically admittingthat they drugs experiency had nothing to
do with me, and like Isay, they trying to place me at
some gang meetings in nineteen ninety six, I mean nineteen ninety five, but
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the course of saying that the meansis in nineteen ninety six, which is
a lie. And I'm remember thatthey did a dispatch from the police department
breaking up these large gamings at thisCentral High school. But it seems now
the dispatch tape doesn't even exist,right, which I know it does,
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but we don't have it. Wedon't have it to have it. But
without a judge or a lawyer goingto them to add listen, we know
this exists. If you don't giveme this, this what's gonna happen?
They gonna continue to just lie aboutit. So then here we go again.
My thing is now again, whatdo I What can I do at
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this moment? I can't do nothing, you know what I'm saying. So
I'm just I gotta say it withoutthe professional help. I think this without
the lawyer, that ain't gonna help. But like I say, this is
what they did knowing that I wasn'tat these meetings. So I'm gonna have
to get this off the record.I have a few ideas, but I
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have to run it, buy youquietly or something. So as far as
the transcripts go, now, amI legally allowed to release them. Just
freedom of information. Anybody can givemy transcripts, okay, talking to the
guy who wants my website about releasingthem. So we're I just wanted to
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get your okay, Yeah, youcan. Like I say, at the
end of the day, ain't nothingin my transcripts that I'm high. And
it is what it is. SoI'm thinking, we have nothing to hide.
Yeah, And it's like I said, it's public information. You know
what I'm saying. So it's ifyou can go a pacer right now and
look up my trials transcripts and getit. Only thing I ain't got is
my sense of trans because I don'tknow what happened with that my project.
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My lawyer never even ordered my senseof transcripts, so I'm i thinking that's
another thing you never order. Sohe how could you follow a successful direct
appeal without order them? Do youknow what I'm saying. So it's like
it's a lot of the craziness.Then they give me it's fine for twenty
thinkave it's a fine. It's twentythousand dollars. Twenty thousand, eight hundred
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and sixty sixty dollars. They stillgot this fine on me for twenty years,
have been over twenty one years overpaying this fine. Just recently they
pull up on me and say,hey, instead of you paying a quarterly
rate of twenty five thirty five dollars, they say, we want you to
pay quarterly three hundred and fifty dollars. How that's impossible. Now, what
you're doing is extorting our families.My family want in prison. That's the
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new wall that they may have onplace. But the thing about it is,
again, where do you get thismoney from? If my family ain't
given it, tell me how muchget it? You ain't giving me no
job. There's no jobs a buyingfor in the institution. So where you're
getting it from? That's what myhusband was asking. Where where they gotta
get the money from? That's whatI'm saying. But they not looking at
it like that because because one ladytell me, she say, well,
(25:53):
you got to pay it. Idon't. We don't care how you pay.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoahwoah. What do you mean because
you account for some money that Igot six months prior that's gone, So
you want me wouldn't So maybe itwas maybe it was just a good month
for my family, you know,good six months for my family. Now
it ain't no good six months.Now you're telling me that you're willing to
put me out a program refusal becauseof this, And that made no sense
(26:18):
then, like you say, onthe thing, they got a case with
dude, just one. What they'resaying that after twenty years the mva R,
which is the mandatory factor victims arestitution, it's expired, but I'm
still paying after twenty one years.So banks you going over the expiration anyway?
Yeah, exactly, that's what they'redoing. So do we contact all
(26:42):
the head of the Federal Bureau ofPrisons about us? Yeah? I don't
know who the actually contact. That'swhat I would know. They would have
alert twenty twenty because they had justput posted it on the as a federal
I mean as a legal leading legalnewsletter that they sent out regularly. They
(27:03):
do. One spoke about it,So I was gonna ask them about that
too when I, uh, whenI talked to them again, Yeah,
I don't know who. I don'tknow who to talk to you because I
fouled already told my judge about thisover a year ago. Yeah, and
he just denied it. But asI look at the thing, it's not
the districtor who's making these rulers.The district court has denied everything and allowing
the appeals court to make the decisions. So I don't know as far as
(27:32):
the lawyer goes. All legally speaking, they have to take one pro bone
ocase a year. So I'm gonnaleave like contact information the description if anyone
knows anything about that. I knowit's a shot in the dark, but
it's worth taking. Yes, I'mlike I say, anybody any help of
work, and if it happened,it happened. Like I said, the
only thing we could do is likeI work in these situations because at the
(27:56):
end of the day, it sometimesseems like we're dealing with a with an
evil system. And then the onlything you can do is sit back and
wait. This call is from aprison. All you can do is do
your best. It's all we cando in life, period or anything,
is to do our best. Youknow what I'm saying, Because at the
end of the day, they gonnathey got, they got, they got
(28:18):
a plan and the scheme that theystick it to. And it's like even
when they know they're wrong. Theydon't want to say, hey, man,
if we was wrong in this situation, and that's not law. But
you're supposed to be impartial, you'resupposed to be unbiased, but it's not
really like that when you're looking atit from this standpoint. We can do
(28:44):
and all we can do is andall we can do is pray and pray
and ask God to put it inthe heart of these people that these people
will will will have some type ofunderstanding of this situation. Are the laws
that they created because you say onething and somebody do something opposite to it,
and you hold on to it forwhatever you because it's act like my
person actually did a personal thing towardsthem. This is what they seem like
(29:06):
sometimes like you personally just violated themand it's like wow, no, But
like I say, at the endof the day, we just got to
just remain staff fast in these situationsand let God do what he do.
You know, Yeah, I knowthat, I knowing, I do understand,
don't misconstrue. I understand that itwas the life of a baby that
(29:30):
got to the four year old manand the that's that's like heartbreaking for anybody
to see you know what I'm saying, because this is a tragedy. You
know what I'm saying. It's ababy, and I know they want somebody
to suffer for that. You knowwhat I'm saying. The thing is is
you can't just do it like they'redoing it, because what they're doing is
they over pushing something and then theygetting anybody and making anybody and say it
(29:52):
basically basically what they say in thatsituation unless they used part of this game.
This is what happened. They say, this game and one did it?
Your a lessen to yo, yourfriends or homies or whatever. It's
saying, you did it, soguess what you did it, and we
don't care how you fix it.Poor damn you know what I'm saying.
But that's the way they look atit. They just we want real justice
(30:14):
for her. We want the personwhoever did it, we want them in
prison. We want actual justice forher. She deserves that. True.
And the thing I say a lotof times, and I think I say
this one hundred times, I don'tbelieve that whoever it was, that was
a purpose they make It was likeit was some purpose and you kt really
justify none of it the thing isit just this is the bullshit way we
(30:37):
live, no different than over thereand Gaza and Israel. They's bombing places
where they vombing in every lot oflittle people are dying because they just they
doing what they doing, you knowwhat I'm saying. And it's like it's
all sad, all of us justsad. And then like again, like
I say, we didn't a lotof people that did a lot of stuff,
(30:57):
you know what I'm saying, Butthe ain't nobody looking at like,
Okay, do I feel like doI feel like we should all be punished
for the rest of our lives forerror? This is what the core system
is like. We don't care aboutwhether you it was one time or two
times in your life. We justwant to make everybody suffer for this now.
We don't care about it. Andyou take a person's life and then
(31:18):
you tell him you want to payall his money and then you tell them,
okay, you ain'tn't paid, We'regonna make your family pay it.
What kind of shit is that?Oh yeah, I've had discussions with people
online were we said, okay,they're way Do you trigger happy with the
life in prisons without parole. Theydo they ever do that? Yeah,
because it's like they said, theperson irrevocable, like you just can't come,
(31:41):
can't change your life like you irrecourageable, like you just can't change your
life. Shit, just because oneslip and stumble don't mean that they fall
and stay down forever. You knowwhat I'm saying. They got to be
some time of uprising. They lifepossible. So you got to check and
see a check in maybe a person. That's what parole was for. Let's
see if this person changes life.Let's if the person have a different outlook
on life, you know what Imean. But they don't do that.
(32:01):
No, yeah, right, butthey don't do that no more. They
just like, no, we ain'tdoing none of that. You were giving
you this and this is what itis, right unless you're part of the
elite, right, it's all mydad up. All right, Well,
thank you so much for doing thisand we will catch up with you soon,
(32:22):
Okay, thank you. I loveeverybody. Thank you, and we
look out for the raffle that Igot. Don't be look out for the
raffle that I got going on withthe Teddy Bears real soon, be on
the lookout page. Thank you again, Sarah, and thank everybody. I
love everybody. We love you too. Thanks. Don't be afraid of it.
(32:44):
The care food stays not every lightis gone. And cardy baby lad
and mans fact. Keep it closeto your hurt. I love the fashion's
kind and Javy Dasy because your riskisn't bad in the morning, it's all
Gonda van and strong. Be afraidof the life. Be careful with stars.
(33:07):
Not every lie is gonna guide yougonna go. Yeah, when I
blow up, i'm'a saw a highlightPeter Pan in real life. Be living
out my dreams. If I'm wakingup, it's in a foreign land,
whole wrist covered up in ice.Dealership never has the price
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