virgin birth again!!!!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Okay, all right, how buy now you good?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
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okay you.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Clear, alright, alright, alright, okay, well right, all right, so
that happens, all right, lost signal or something on you guys,
Thank you for brother Edsbraul for letting me know that.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
No problem. Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you, yes, sir,
if you thank you?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
All right, all right, let me do this then. Now
I see that that is a.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Bad spot, bad bad spot. Okay, okay, okay, Hey, we're
learning as.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
I go, y'all. One, I'm hoping to take it more
seriously and you know, simply probably be more strong with it.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
You know what I'm saying? What are these days? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Guy's kind of amateur, you know what I'm saying? But uh,
I mean I love doing it. I just really really
enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Anyway, So we're gonna what we're gonna do. We're gonna
start off with subscriptures hitting on this virgin birth, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
And uh let me see who would like to think
they first shot at it? Or would you like for
me that ball?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Brother? Well, I could go first if y'all want me to,
but I've really go last. But it don't matter to me,
Okay anybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Once you get the crowd on front of the mic.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Okay, gotcha, gotcha? Gotcha?

Speaker 1 (01:57):
All right, So we didn't hit it several times, and
I'm open that we can talk about, well, let's see
if we got enough time, man, maybe squeeze in something
else afterwards. Okay, but if I was to get that
ball rolling, I wanna go ahead and hit it hard.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
You know, if y'all could open up your bibles and
we're gonna start off, We're gonna start off with let's
go to Psalms eighty nine. I'm gonna come a little
differently with it, not the same old way. But my

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plan is to give you a couple of references and
then we can get into the story, all right, And
then I kind of walk you through what exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Is being said in Matthew and Luke and what is
information that's all around here, but it's not being read
literally right, Like, there's a culture taking place that once
you see it, you can't unsee it. You see what
I'm saying, there's a culture being taken place here, and uh,

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and it's it's just it's simply educating yourself about the people.
These people are not in England, okay. The people who
are reading about are Middle Easterners, right, Afro Asianic people
with a culture uh in the Middle East, right, and
they had everything's about a culture, about virgins and and

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getting married and.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Things like that.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
There's things that you need to know. We're gonna go
to well go scriptures, all right, but before we get
into the details, I also want to incorporate prophecy, right,
because a prophet, you know, sees the future. He's the
mediator between God and us. God delivers a message to

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tell to us and you. He does that through what
we call a prophet, right. And the prophets are very
very reverent. And the more you talk to me, you'll
pick up how I hang on to not only what
Christ say, I hang on to this entire Bible right

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because I can see Christ throughout the Old Testament. I
can see Christ literally everywhere in this Bible, right, And
it's just the word of God.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Man. I hang on to it. It's a part of
strong part of my belief system. And I just think
that's what the Father and the Son wanted me to do.
Any word that He sent to me through these people.
He wanted to, you know, install it in my memory bank,
my mind, you know, and apply it of course. Right.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
So anyway, we're gonna go to Psalms eighty nine, and
I'm gonna start reading from the top because in dealing
with the subject, you might see.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Something that I'm missing, uh, and you might want to,
you know, talk about it. I don't know, but if
any questions just stopped me along the way about anything,
all right, And forgive me for pronouncing some of these names.
They can be a little rough, all right. Let's see.
I got h Psalms eighty nine, Verse one, Michelle of

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Ethan the Ezrait. I will sing of the mercies of
the Lord forever with my mouth, will I make known
by faithfulness to all generations? Before I have said, mercy
shall be built up forever by faithfulness, Shall Thy established
in the very heavens.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I have made a covenant with my chosen. I have
sworn unto David, my servant, by seeing, will I establish
forever and build up by grown to all generations? So Loah,
and the heavens shall praise. I wonder, o Lord, thy faithfulness.
Also in the congregation of the Saints, for who in

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the heaven can be compared unto the Lord, who among
the sons of the Mighty, can be likened unto the.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Lord God is greatly to be feared in the assembly
of saints, and to be had in reference of all
them that are about him, O Lord, God of Hosts,
who is strong, lord like unto thee or to thy
faithfulness round about thee Thou rulest the raging of the seed.

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When the waves thereof arise, Thou stillest them. Thou hast
broken rahive in pieces as one that is slain. Thou
has scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm. The heavens
are thine. The earth also is dying, as for the
world and the fullness thereof. Thou hast founded them, the

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north and the south, they have created them. Thou hast
created them to boor and herman shall rejoice in thy name.
Thou hast a mighty arm, strong in thy hand, and
high is thy right hand. Justice and judstment are the habitations.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Of thy throne. Mercy and truth shall go before thy day.
Blessed is the people that know the joyful sound. They
shall walk, O Lord, in the light of thy continents.
In thy name shall they rejoice all the day, and
in thy righteousness shall they be exalted. For Thou art

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the glory of their strength, and in thy favor our
horn shall be exalted. For the Lord is our defense,
and the Holy One of Israel is our king. Been
thous Faker's in vision to thy holy ones, and said,
I have laid help upon one that is mighty. I

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have exalted one chosen out of the people. Now this
is where I need y'all to pay attention, Okay, when
it starts in verse twenty. I have found David my servant,
And with my holy all have I ignorinted him with
whom my hands shall be established.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Right.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
His hand will be established right. My arm also shall
strengthen him. The enemy shall not exact upon him, nor
the son of the wickedness afflict him. And I will
beat down his foes before his faith and plague them
that hate him. But my faithfulness and my mercy shall

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be with him, and in my name shall his horn
be exalted. I will set his hand also in the sea,
and his right hand in the rivers. He shall cry
unto me, Thou art my Father, my God, and the
rock of my salvation. Also I will make him my

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first born, higher than the kings of the earth. My
mercy will I keep for him forevermore, and my covenant
shall stand fast with him now here he goes, y'all,
His seed also will I make to endure forever, not him,

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but his seed will, and his throne as the days
of heaven. If his children forsake my law and while
not in my judgments, if they break my statues and
keep none my commandments, then will I visit their transgression
with the rod and their iniquity with stripes. Right, So

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if his children do wrong, he will visit his children
with a rod and stripes. Y'all got that? Come on now, y'all,
y'all talk to me now, Yeah, talk Timmy.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Y'all know is y'all know where it is going?

Speaker 3 (10:26):
All right?

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Thirty three? Uh?

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Nevertheless, my loving kindness, will I not utterly take from him,
nor suffer my faithfulness to fail my covenant? Will I
not break nor alter the thing that has gone out
of my lips?

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Once have I sworn.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
By my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
His shall endure forever, and his throne as the sun
before me. It shall be establish forever as the moon,
and as a faithful witness in heaven. Say load, but

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thou has cast off and abhor. Thou hast been wroth
with thine and right. Thou hast made boyd the covenant
of thy servants. Ey has profaned his crown by casting
into the ground. Thou hast broken down all his hedges.
Thy has brought his strongholds to ruin all that pass
by the ways fail him. He is a reproach to

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his neighbors, like he's talking about all Israel. Thou has
set up the right end of his adversaries. Thou has
made all his enemies to rejoice. Thys also turned the
edge of his sword, and has not made him to
stand in the battle. Thy has made his glory to cease,
and cast has thrown down to the ground the days

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of his youth. As thou shortened, Thous covered him with stains.
Say lod, how long ward will thy hide thyself? Forever
thou shall thy wrath burn like fire? Remember how short
my time is? Wherefore hast thou made all men in vain?

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What man is he that liveth and shall not see death?
Shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the
grave paylad, Lord, where art thy former loving kindness, which
thou swearest unto David in thy truth? Remember, Lord, the
reproach of thy servants, how I do bear in my

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bosom the reproach of all the mighty people, wherewith thy
enemies have reproached the Lord for what they have reproached
the footsteps.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Of Thine anointed. Blessed be the Lord forever, I mean
forevermore Amen and Amen, powerful, powerful chapter there and psalms.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
And I want you all to think about thirty six
where it says his seeds out and do it forever?

Speaker 4 (13:06):
All right?

Speaker 1 (13:07):
These are generation, right, there's a there's a person in
his generation that would have the throne forever, all right.
And all these things are are the hinting towards Christ
and Christ for Field, all these type of things, talking

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about him, talking about the stripes, the punishment of all
those things before him, and you know it's the nation
of the world backsliding doing what we're doing. Christ took
all of that on him, right.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yes, it is Isaiah. Yep. Yeah. Was you about to
say no, that's Isaiah fifty three? That's right, that's.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Right, that's right, yes right now, yes, yes, yes, yes,
So from here, let's you know what, Let's go to
Isaiah fifty three. Right, all right, let's go to Isaiah

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fifty three. I'll start at verse one. Who have believed
our report? And to whom is the arm of the
Lord revealed? For he shall grow up before him as
a tender plant, and as a root out of a
dry ground. He have no form, no coming, cumberliness. And

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when we shall see him, there's no beauty that we
should desire him. He is despised and rejected, of being
a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid,
as it were, our faces from him. He was despised,
and we esteemed him not surely he hath borne our

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griefs and carried our sorrows. Yet we did esteem him, stricken,
smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for
our transgressions. He was bruised for our iniquities. The chestisement
of our peace was upon him, And with his stripes
we are healed. All we, like sheep, have gone astray.

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We have turned everyone to his own way, and the
Lord have laid on him the iniquity of us. All
he was oppressed, he was afflicted, Yet he opened not
his mouth. He is brought as a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before her shearers is done, so
he opened not his mouth. All right, I'm gonna stop

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right there talking about Christ and what he's done for us.
All right, So why does that pertaining to his virgin birth?
Because that's what it's done about the virgin birth. We're
I'm hitting on prophecy, right, prophecy. I want everybody to
feel the prophecy. This is before it actually went down.

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These are things that were said, right and and after
I'm gonna hit on another, uh, prophecy.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Second Samuel. All right, let's go to second Samuel.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Everybody turned over there, Second Samu and.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
La go ahead. And in Psalm eighty nine, brother, there
was some some things that really we really need to
go over that. That's real heavy in that description. And
you can't get around certain things. Number one in in

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verse three where he said, let me here, let me
get to it right quick, where he said he made
anant with my chosen I have worn under David, my servant.
Right and if you look at verse now, now he's sworn.

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This is God swearing right now. Now jump down to
verse thirty one because he I mean thirty four because
he's sworn the covenant with David. Jump down the verse
thirty four. There's a there's a lot of things there.
But if you don't mind, read thirty four and thirty

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in thirty six my covenant, will I not bring nor
all the thing that has gone out of my lips?
Now hold on. See, that's the same thing that Galatians
three says, because if you alter something, they mean you
either added to it or you took away from it.

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When we read his songs forty seven, he said he
has not dealt so with any other nation, So if
he altered it, that's adding nations to that covenant. God, right,
what you just read, he said, he not going to lie,

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so he God God doing this because if that's the case,
then everybody should suffer the consequences for breaking the covenant. Okay,
but we don't see that. So that's very strong and
power for that brother because he swore something to David

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that his seed or offspring after him would take on
the throne. And I don't see how we get around that.
But I just don't don't see. If you don't mind,
he done in verse thirty six, if you don't.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Mind, all right, thirty five? Once have I sworn by
my holiness that I will not lie unto David.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
This seed shall endure forever and is thrown as the
sun before me.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Now wait a minute. It says his seed, David seed,
David seed. Any parent know that if they have children,
it's coming from day. That's their seed. We use this

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terminology even to this day. That's my seed. That's my seed.
But somehow it's starting to be altered the understanding of
this baluble. So that's very key right there. He swore
it to David. He's given that to David, his seed.

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That's that's that's powerful right there. Brother. We can't just
overlook that he said he ain't the one to lie.
Can't overlook that if he swore that, that's what he meant. Okay,
he swore to Abraham and he gonna make his seeds
great right and out of his sea all nations will

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be blessed. So God swore that. And if he said
he gonna do it, all right, So that's all I
want in that thing right there, and him not altering
what he said he's gonna do the covenant. So he

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can't add or take away just like glaciers three safe.
You can't add just another nor can you add unto. Okay,
and I mean, if you buy a car and you
sign on that dotted line that car is, that's your responsibility.

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Now if you alter it and have a code sign
of now somebody's been added. We see how that's a
that's an alternation. God say he ain't altered in his covenant. Okay,
go ahead, brother, that's all I want to bring out.
We just can't just read over these scriptures and negate
to look at certain things even if we don't have

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the understanding. We have to take these scriptures into consideration.
You can't. You can't just push your narrative and say, okay,
well God didn't say that that that's that's you pushing
your narrative. Okay, what you want to believe in. We
have to take the whole thing and and get a

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correct understanding. But go ahead, go ahead, brother, All right,
all right, let's open our bibles or go.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
To the chapter of Second Samuel, the Book of Second Samuel. Yes,
let's turn over there, chapter seven.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Right, come, come, all right, hey, else, I.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Think, yeah, we'll start, Yeah, I will start around twelve,
and I'm gonna read down to seventeen.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Okay, okay, now what he just read, man, this is
gonna be okay, go ahead, bron I'm sorry, right all right,
y'all there, everybody there, okay. And when the days be fulfilled,
and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set
up thy seat after them, which shall proceed out of

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thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. All right,
So he's gonna come out of the bowels of David,
and he will sit on David's throne. There you go.
He shall build a house for my name, and I
will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will

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be his father, and he shall.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Be my son if he committed.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Now this is David.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
C But God said I will be his father and
he shall be my son. So hivend is gonna share
a child in the earthly sent is David's child. But
more importantly, the inside of this spirit of this man,
because the son of God. There you go, you go, Ye,

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he's gonna rch flety. He's coming out of the bowels
of David right right right now. I hope everybody gets that,
because when we deal with the commandments. Those are God's spirit.
That's the way he look at things. He ain't looking
That's why he's said, my ways are not your ways,
and my thought is not your thoughts. Your thoughts would

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it be to go sleep with every woman you possibly could?
God is against that?

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Right?

Speaker 2 (24:20):
So he about to put his spirit, what he believes
in inside of Christ spirit. He ain't talking about what
they think it's talking about. I don't want to get
vulgar on here, but that's not what it's talking about.
Because that spirit in the end is going that same
spirit is gonna be put in our flesh, just like

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his spirit was put in that flesh. Where did the
flesh part come from? Because God can't produce flesh through
no seed like that. He ain't produce that.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
But most importantly, everything is being laid out right now, Yeah,
on what that's going gonna take place. What we read
over here is not in conjui. This if you can't
make this fit and your understanding of it, and there
there's you know, there's a there's problematic. Man understanding is problematic.

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He come from the bowels of David and him and
David is gonna stare this child's relac from the bowels
of David. Uh huh, all right, but his spirit is
gonna be from the Most High God.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
That's right, Go ahead, brother, all right, all right.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
And he shall build a house for my name, and
I would establish the throne of his kingdom forever, and
I would his father, and he shall beat my son.
And if he commit iniquity, I would chat in him
with the rod of men and with the fright of
the children of men. But my mercy shall not depart

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away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom
I put away before thee and thine house and kingdom
shall be established forever before these like throne shall be
established forever, according to all these words and according to
all this vision. So did Nathan speak unto David. Right

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on the surface, you're gonna be thinking about King Solomon,
because once he got the throne he did great, But
in his latter years he started to go left right
and commit iniquity. And the Most I swearing that if
they if he commit iniquity, he will have these stripes

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all on him. Well, as we know, King Solomon never
got beat by those stripes. He never got stripes put
on him that's why you gotta rightfully understand the big
picture of what's being said here. This fits with the
virgin verb narrative, because not only is the king coming

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from the bowels of David, and he also going to
be God's son together, right, and now you see that
he took on the iniquity of all the kings that
came from David along with all of Israel. He took
it all on them, man, and that's he got beat

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down for our sakes, you know, all right?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
All Right, So.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
I gave you a couple of prophecies of him, of
his coming and his connection with David. Next, before I
go into the actual Virgin Bird scriptures, I want to
do this right here. Also, let's go to the Book
of Deuteronomy, and after this I'll go into the virgin

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birth the Matthew and Blue. Okay, we're gonna go to
chapter twenty two. Okay, buttt I want to go to
chapter twenty two to pretty much kind of bring you
into the culture, all right, and show you about what

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takes place in a marriage. Two families coming together, man,
all right, and they're given one family given their son,
the other family given their daughter. Right, there's a ritual
taking place here, and there's a little ceremonial event for

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all of the you know, witnesses around that this marriage affects.
They are independence, right. Usually there's a priest also, a
local priest of whatever congregation they're part of, whatever it is.
I want you to kind of view.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
It how we do in today's time. But this that
the local priest is around a levite, and he's gonna
uh you know, uh uh.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Sanctified once he sees the tokens. All right, and that's
what I kind of want to read. I'm gonna start
at I'm gonna start.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Reading uh.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Hmm, you know what, let me start at fifteen because
all of this plays its part in the virgin birth.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Then shall the father of the damsel and her mother
take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity
unto the elders? Oh no, no, no, I just started fourteen.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
My bad, and give occasion a speech against her. No, no,
you know, I start at thirteen. All right, Uh, this
is I'm gonna start here and I'm gonna build on it.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
I'm gonna show y'all little something. If any man take
a wife and go in unto her and hate her,
and give an occasional speech against her, and bring up
an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman,
and when I came on, when when I came to her,

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I found her not a maid. Then shall the father
of the damsel and her mother take and bring forth
the tokens of the damsel's virginity into the elders of
the city in the gate, And the damsel father shall say,
unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man
to wife, and he hated her. All right, all right,

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we will do what verse was that?

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Brother? Just read the sixteen sixteen? Okay, thank you.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, this is chapter twenty two. Okay, yeah, chapter twenty
two and sixteen. Yeah, I just read that one, all right.
So I want to let you know that this is
this is happening, all right. The same system rereading in
Deuteronomy is exactly the same system that they got in Matthew.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
All right.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
This is their culture tradition, and you need to apply
this when you won't understand the virgin very fully if
you leave this stuff out. Okay, so you got two
people going to get married, all right, there's a white
sheet that they lay on when they consummating their marriage,

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all right, and I'm not well, it gets a little fuzzy,
all right, because the most high and how he deals
with marriage versus what we're reading here is.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
You could tell that Modes. This is a mechanism. The
white sheet is a mechanism to catch when somebody's lying, right,
That's what it is. Because if the young man lays
up with her and says this about her, the white
sheep supposed to be a way to let us know

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that man is full of crap.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Basically, he's a wicked guy, you know what I'm saying.
And he really didn't want.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
To marry her. He's probably forced to marry her, or
he's coming he's thinking of a way to get out
of the marriage or something. I don't know what's his problem.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Is, but to stop that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
so this is the good what I'm saying, Moses, This
is the idea that Moses pretty much came up with.
You know, I'm thinking, I don't want to say he
just did the maybe the most idea to him to
do it, but he knows our hearts the most hot

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do it, you know, And this is a way to
catch that young man and from you know, a lot
of these a rule that we done broke and and
they're a way to stop that from happening. Okay, you
know what I'm saying. Yeah, right, bro, when you you
wanted to say something, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
If you notice in verse fifteen, the word damsel is there,
and that's very important. So when you look up that word,
when we get to the virgin of birth, we're gonna
see what that means. Let me read this definition for damsel.
It says a girl from infancy to adolescens, meaning she

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just started a flower, she just came into where she
can birth a baby. That's what that's what that virgin
birth is exactly talking about. But we'll get there, we'll
take it to strive. But you know, and this was
strong and if you don't mind, brother, I would like

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for you to read, uh that's Genesis Genesis two and
twenty four if you don't mind, okay, Uh, well, we
were gonna go round robin with it. Did you want
to use that one when it's your turn to get
up there? And no, because it's going reckly. No, it's
going directly what you just read and see because I

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don't want to loose thoughts. Why we so we can
understand once we get there, we understand what it's actually
talking about. Okay, well Genesis was now two twenty four.
It's just real sharp.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
All right, I'm there. Thirdfore Sharlah man leave his father
and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and
they shall be one pledge.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
That's right. So when you start messing around or have
a wife, because that's the understanding of husband and marriage,
you have to have sex. Once you started having sex,
it's time to leave the house. Think about if we
would have those rules today, these kids wouldn't be going
around doing what they're doing. But because we don't understand

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this Bible and we've left God's commandments and laws and
statues and his guidance, everything is blown out of proportion. Okay,
but if you start having sex, that's what it's saying,
because the only way she can be your wife is
you having sex with her. They said you got to
leave the mother and father. Now that's very important once

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we get to that burden bird, because think about Joseph
at this time. Remember this when it comes down to Joseph.
But go ahead, brother, all I would want to offer
say unto this subject, is that this is we all
the birth of culture. Of what I mean by.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
People worshiping the culture more than the commandment.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
You see what I'm.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Saying, because later and you know, later on, we're gonna
see Christ go up against these traditions, all right. And
that's the reason why this also relates that the Most High,
if he didn't say it, if it didn't come out
the Most High's mouth, it's not most Hockings.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
You know what I'm saying. He's gonna I mean, I
don't want to give it away.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
I want you all to build up to see where
I'm going with it. He said, it wasn't through the
tradition how Christ came.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
He did it.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
To where he did it the way he commanded, and
and wanted to get married, right and yeah, yeah, but
they was so feared of the tradition around them, and
all the old elements dealing with the tradition and going
against the tradition. They've worshiped the tradition. And we can

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see in the New Testament of Peter was saying that
it's got good to eat with people outside, you know,
of Israel, or something to that degree. And so that
goes to let you know how in depth it was
their traditions that all moody, Yeah, that tal moody type

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of of traditions rather than what God ordered to do.
You see what I'm saying. And so it's yeah, and
so it's always kind of been this thorn in Israel's side.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Right, No, go ahead, you.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Know where they say it's not lawful to speak to
one of another nation that's not in the commandments, that's
a tradition that they come up with. They weren't in
the commandments, right right, that's a tradition right there. That's
what the brother talking about. They're making tradition. They're doing

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things on their own, coming up with the leaning to
their own understanding. But go ahead.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
But in this case, we need to understand how the
marriage was and why it was so with fear, and
that sets the tone on how why Mary and Joseph
was kind of and it throws you off if you're
not considering or knowing these things right right right, that

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was kind of you know, fearing and scared of everything
that's about to come. Because once the parents was to
find out, you know, you know, it was gonna be chaos,
is what I'm saying, and judgment. People are gonna look
at them, you know, because they're breaking like the law

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of God is how they viewed it. But it's not,
it's not it's not the law of God. You know
what I'm saying. It was from Moses, But Moses was
the word of God in this time period that it
was written.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
You see what I'm saying. They couldn't discern those two
like that.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Okay, like we can now, okay, all right, all right,
you know what. Let's let's hit it. Let's get to it.
All right, Let's go to Matthew one. There we go, Yes,
all right, Matthew one, okay, all right? Versus one through sixteen. Yeah, yeah,

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you I'll tell you what. Hold on, brother, okay, really
really you can just go to three then jump down sixteen.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Okay, got you got you. One through sixteen is talking
about the genealogies who am from David Abraham all the
way down to Christ. M all right, crisis instead of
Abraham right from that thosen seed like it. And it's

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gonna right tell you all about all the names in between.
All right, right, Oh, I tell you what before we
go there can we get along right.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
With a commandment? So well understand why is it doing
this right? Here? Can we get it out of numbers
one in eighteen? I'm sorry that that is that? That? Hey,
let me get it.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
I read it.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
You stay right there, I can read it.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
I'm already there, brother, read.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
That in eighteen numbers one eighteen.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
And they assembled all the congregation together on the first
day of the second month. And they declared their pedigree.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
After the blood by the house. Huh, pedigrees after their families,
by the house of their fathers. How the number right
by the house of their fathers. Just like today when
you get married, that woman takes up on your last name.
That's your blood line.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Go ahead, brother, according to the number of the names
from twenty years old and upward, by the poles by
their goals.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Now, now let's go to Matthew one. Now that we
understand is through the father is determined the house. So
watch these houses. You gonna see the houses. Okay, go ahead, brother,
I'm with you. Okay, hold on, I got a caller. Okay,
since the sister.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Tail is that you?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yes, yes, it's me, I'm listening.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Okay, all right, good to have.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
You oh you heah, tell everybody, all right, I'm all right, okay,
uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
So we're just now getting into it. We call of
I don't know how long you've been listening with us,
uh sis.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
A tale, let's see, bottle good?

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Are you just what about eight minutes?

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Probably a little bit, yeah, something like that. Okay, okay,
all right, all right, Well we're kind of going out
in the world. Yes, yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
But yeah, just to bring you up the speeds where
we're on the Virgin bird and I'm kind of going
around the world just kind.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Of putting together of the scene, you know, kind of
just get to set up. And now we've finally reached
Matthew and now we're finally gonna go in. So right, yeah,
talking going around the world, you know, around the scriptures
prophecies about Christ, and now we're gonna go into the
virgin birth. All right, okay, So the one through sixteen,

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like I said, is the book the verse one, the
book of the generations of Jesus Christ, the son of David,
the son of Abraham. Right, so, uh, this is Matthew.
He's a follower of Christ and he's putting up Christ's pedigree, right,

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give in proof that he gives the rifle heir to
the throne.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Right and uh yeah, yeah, uh.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
You wanted to say, come brother, no, no, Well in
that first verse, I always remember it said the son
of David. Then he said the son of Abraham. See
that's very important because we have two major prophecies there.
But go ahead, brother, all right, all right, all right,

(44:26):
uh let me read jump down the verse sixteens. Oh
oh oh you you read one through three brothers. You
didn't finish reading.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Okay, get Jacob, and Jacob forgot Judaph and his brethren,
and Judah's got parodies.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Uh uh uh huh. Well did you notice he come
out the line of Judah. That's why Jew is short
for Judah. Christ was a Jew. Okay, uh, okay, go ahead, brother,
you can jump down to sixteen. Now now that we
establish the branch that he's coming from from the twelve brothers, right,

(45:11):
you can't. You can't jump branches. It just makes somebody
be a part of a certain branch. You can't do that.
Now jump down to verse sixteen, brother, that's.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Do right there, okay, And Jacob the gat Joseph, the
son of Mary of whom was born Jesus, who is
called Christ. There you go, all right.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, So all the generations from Abraham to David are
fourteen generations, and from David until the carrying away into
Babylon are fourteen generations, and from carrying away into Babylon
unto Christ our fourteen generations.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
All right, so he's part of those generations. Up Abraham,
all right, Now we're going to the details of the birds.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah, jump down in verse nineteen. Brother, is that what
you're about to do, or you're gonna read eighteen. I'm
gonna read eighteen. Okay, cool, go ahead, that's cool, all right.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
But I gave you the backdrop of the generations. This
is Matthew and everybody else sees it because that's in
the book, you right, So everything is written for our learning.
So it starts off with letting us know he's the

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rifle heir to the throne, right, the rifle it okay,
and gave us the list of fathers the back daddy.
All right, Now this is how it came to be, y'all.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Now, the first of Jesus Christ was on this water
when as his mother married was a spouse to Joseph.
Before they came together, she was found with child.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Of the Holy Ghost. Right now, The thing about it.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Is before they came together is a stumbling block. You're right,
that's the stumbling that's a stumbling block.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
And uh, I want to.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
From my understanding, I'm sure anybody else gonna give you theirs.
But from my understanding, this is not sex. I grew
up with them pointing to this as sex. This is
not sex. Before they came together, was.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
That ceremony in Deuteronomy? Were they posting to have sex
there at the marriage right the right before they cohabitated,
before they move in. That's why I had you to
read Genesis twenty four, because once you started mixing with
that woman, that's the only way she can be with
your wife. You can't be at home with your parents.

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You under day, Ruth, you want to be ground, you
move out and do those things there go.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
So the ceremony that supposed to take place, and before
they got to that ceremony to consummate their engagement to
be married, she was found with child before that day
came right, You get that all right?

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Right?

Speaker 1 (48:32):
So how does a woman find that she's with child?
Right that she missed a period, right, and when she
missed the period, she came to Joseph to tell it,
because that's how she's found with child. Okay, all right,

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and the book doesn't tell us that you let everybody
know about it. We do see her and Joseph h
talking about it or you know, the angel Joseph and
Mary are the only ones that's that's you know, that's
involved in this. Okay, nobody right, right, go ahead, because.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Right that that word right there before they came together,
right there is a G. Forty nine oh five. It
says cohabitate, to cohabitate or a company assembly, like you
said before they had the ceremony. See, you got to
think that it's a shameful thing to be on your

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mama couch and you pregnant, especially your dad, and everybody
looking at you. A woman pregnant and she don't have
a husband, or she don't have where a husband at?
Why they not in there on Well, you know you
don't supposed to be doing that. That why it says
you will to leave your mother and father and please

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to thy wife and become one flesh. That's their cohabitation.
That's that the company that the word is talking about Okay,
come together as one flesh. Okay, now I want to
say something to see what's wrong with y'all.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Of the Holy Ghost? Uh huh so that's uh, that's
that's an important word too. Of the Holy Ghost. It is.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
No, No, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna pass the mic.
All right, we're gonna past the mic. But yeah, that's
something for us to think about. Brother wrong, all right,
you're right, that's something.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
For us to think about.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Nineteen Ben Joseph, her husband being a jess man. You're
not willing to make her a public example, want to mind?
You to her away privately or privilege?

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Right? Okay? Now, him being a just man is total.
That's like night and day.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
It's the polar opposite of the wicked man. Right, he's
a dust man and he just summing and Deuteronomy. Okay,
and Deuteronomy we read about a wicked guy.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
He lied with her.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
And didn't say he didn't want to be with her,
you know, and she was not a maid or whatever.
That's that's an unright, that's not a just man that
does something. God ain't playing this shocking up and just
casual sex. He ain't denning with that he's.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Not not in this culture here for so that here
in America. All right, So he's a polar opposite of
that guy. And to catch that bad guy.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
We got the sheet is involved.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Okay, So the issue is uh there if she was
to lay down when she's found with child and lay
down on the sheet, there wouldn't be no nothing on
the sheet.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
See what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
That's what's going through Joseph's mind.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Right, right, all of that right.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
The very thing that supposed to happen with that sheet
is not gonna happen, right, and then everybody's gonna know
about about what's going on with her. Okay, that's the example.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
The priest go in and show everybody she's a marge
hold a sheet up and everybody that ain't gonna happen.
That's right, brother, I'm sorry, go ahead, man, you're doing
a great job, all right.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
All right.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
So because of that, there's this like fear, there's this
it's a Joseph is meditating how to handle this, all right?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Right?

Speaker 3 (53:14):
All right?

Speaker 1 (53:14):
So nineteen let me read nineteen again. Joseph, her husband
being a just man and not willing to make her
a public example was minded to put her away privately.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
He's thinking about you doing it like that.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
But while we thought on these things, behold an angel
of the Lord appear unto him in a dream, saying,
Joseph th our son of David.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Stop fear not to take the Uh. Who didn't say,
Joseph is the son of the son of David. Wow,
that's the right there, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Like I read that in the first opening. And reason
is Joseph is up that blood line of David. He's
a rifle heir to the throne.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
Bro Joe.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Then God say, then he said he can't lie to David. Yeah, yeah,
he ins, he swore to David. But people want to
make God a lie you when they don't understand certain
things in the scripture. He said, he said the he
was gonna come from David, not him. He ain't going

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around having sex with women. That angel addressed him as Joseph,
son of David. So what do we do with that?
You can't make it married?

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Well, they may try, they may try, and we're gonna
give him opportunity to everything they got, daughter of David.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I want to hear that.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Well, we we we're gonna consider it. We're gonna consider
it because I mean, that's what's being fair, and we're
gonna be fair about it. But yeah, yeah, the way
we're looking at it, I believe that this is the
correct way everybody. Uh And but we're gonna give everybody
to speak their truth on what they think it is,

(55:28):
what they believe it is, and we're gonna let the
people decide. Okay, all right, We're gonna let them decide
on it.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
All right, Okay, here we go, here we go. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
So, but I wanted to highlight in verse twenty the
fear not hard because the Angel is the knowledge and
that Joseph was scared he was for to take her
as his wife in this ceremony, right yeah, yeah, right,

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so the Angel is giving him the confidence to not
be scared and to go through with it.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Mum hum right.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
See all right, So anyway, I believe that to them
to figure out why Joseph is scared right here. But yeah,
what I will say he's scared of is what I
mentioned earlier, that everybody's gonna know and see what you
think is shame, you know what I'm saying, Because he's

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gonna say he's gonna reveal the truth of what happened
to him? And they gonna look at her like what really,
you know? And then that right there is gonna happen,
and which is also over him being scared, is to
me now a telltale sign that it wasn't his wheel

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that this happened.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
If he was not the breath her on why this
kind of shame came on on him?

Speaker 1 (57:05):
To me, it revealed that the aggressor was another. I know,
it's kind of sound like scuobie do I'm building it up,
you know, it kind of sounded like the real aggressor
was the young maiden. I think she kind of aggressively,
aggressively kind of took to him, and you know, you

(57:31):
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
She kind of.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Handled them in a certain way that it's gotta blew
his mine. And and I think she was the aggressor.
I don't know how else to say that she was.
He was scared to.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Go through with this, Okay, all right? Twenty one and
he shall bring forth a son, and I shall call
his name Jesus, for he shall save his people from
their sins. Now hold up, Joseph, done got the dreams?
The angel says, go ahead with it, go through it
that he is pregnant and that child that's in there

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would be the savior of the old world.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
You know what I'm saying. Uh wait, wait back with
literally that that's something brother, in that scription that's very powerful.
Read when you get when you get through saying what
you're saying, Read that again, because read what he say
when it first come out the gate. Who is that
heat right there? But go ahead, brother, Yeah. So Joseph

(58:40):
stood up and he went on and took the wife at.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
That ceremony with confidence, and everything turned out good. Nobody
know of this then, nobody. Uh, we don't hear no
word in the scriptures where everybody slowly understood about his
his birth, his own brother didn't apparently know.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
I don't think Joseph and Mary talked about it much,
about this angel or whatever. Maybe they did, I don't know,
But either with Wade the other children that came from
Joseph and Mary, they wasn't a believer like that. Okay,
all right, which is a tell tale sign that they
either didn't think much of it in that high degree

(59:25):
or or what. All right, Uh, he's definitely Joseph's son, Okay, Okay,
here we go. Oh oh, you said, after I read that, dude,
I need to read it again or something like that.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
Okay, And she.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt
paul his name Jesus, for he shall say, good people
from their sins.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
There you go, there you go, there you go. So
so she gonna go with she gonna go through with
it if they's gonna be boring with her, But go ahead,
I'm through. I digress, all right. Twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Now, all this was done that it might be fulfilled
which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet saying, behold,
a virgin shall be with child and shall bring forth
a son. And they shall call this thing Emanuel, which
being interpreted is God with us. And then Joseph, being

(01:00:37):
raised from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord
had bidden him and took unto him his wife.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Right, he went through with that uh marriage uh neil,
And everything turned out all right? Now?

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Got that? Why why say everything turned He went and
went through it, and everything turned out all right because
no word scriptures you see any chaos about the marriage ceremony. Right,
that's what they did. They always had a marriage ceremony.
All these families participated in that. This is a custom

(01:01:16):
of the people. Every household had marriage ceremonies.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Yea, y'all hear me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
All right, I want to make sure y'all fully understand
the custom of these people in the Middle East, all right, okay, alright, so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
All right, So that's right. There's a virgin birth there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
And I'm gonna go ahead over here to Luke and
I'm gonna Ruth. And after I read Luke, I'm gonna
pass the mic to who wanted, and I'm gonna bring
my conclusion up with Luke. Okay, all right, I'm gonna start.
I'm gonna start at Luke and I'm gonna start at

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Luke chapter one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Mm hmmm, twelve or twenty three.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Let me get over there. Mmm, let's see. I'm gonna
start as I think it's twelve. Hold on, hair, car,
let me let me say, yeah, okay, that that might
be it. Yeah, let me get over there and see.
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
All right, Yeah, before that, uh, he visited uh Mary's
cousin Elizabeth h okay, and the Holy Spirit blessed opened
up her wound where she can have children. Okay, and
that child right there is very special.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Okay. That is a spirit came into.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
That child from far back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Uh so these women and the Holy Spirit interacted with you,
and so there's a spirit that's on these children. You
see what I'm saying, all right? And I just wanted
to come mention that if everybody's there, I get started now, which.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Virgin twenty six, let's see. Okay, that'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Okay, got you, gotcha. And the angel came in unto her,
oh twenty And in the sixth month, an angel Gabriel
was sent from God into a city of Galilee named Nazareth,
to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was
Joseph of the House of David.

Speaker 4 (01:03:53):
And the virgin's name was married.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
And the angel came in unto her and said, tell
thou that are highly favored.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
The Lord is with them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Blessed art thou among women. And when she saw him,
she was troubled at his dad and cast in her
mind what manner of salutation it should be. And the
angel said.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Unto her, fear not Mary, for thou hast found favor
with God.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
And behold thou shalt that word shalt thou shalt conceive
in thy wound, and bring forth a son, and shalt
call his name Jesus. He shall be great. He shall
be called the Sun of the Highest, as the Lord
God shall give unto him the throne of his father David.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Hold on, brother, hold on, read that. Read that again, brother,
who won't read that again? Brother? He shall be great,
and he shall be called the Son of the Highest,
and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne
of his father David. Now God is going to that baby.

(01:05:13):
God is going to give him the throne of his father, David. Okay,
that's going into the prophecy. Okay, that's what the prophecy
said back there in same you. Why go ahead, brother,

(01:05:33):
and he shall reign over the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
House of Jacob forever and of his kingdom. There shall
be no end. All right, here's another stumbling block, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Y'all ready thirty four?

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Then said Mary, unto the angel, how shall this be?

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Saying? I know not a man?

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
So what is that telling me? That is telling me
that this is what's in Luke is a precursor of Matthews. Right,
This is going in way more detail of before the
deeper than Matthew's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Don't right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
So this happened, right, uh uh. You know this is
what's leading up to what's saying in Matthews. You know,
like behind the scene, what's gonna win down, what.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Was going through Mary's mind? Right? And what was ay?
And this is why, like you say, she did aggressive
but go ahead, I ain't gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Okay, okay, all right, all right? Uh so I knew
not no man. So the angel, why the angel was
told her these things. He's like, I knew not no man, Okay.
She the angel was saying that she's gonna be pregnant
and give birth to the Christ. Right, She's telling the angel,

(01:07:01):
I know not no man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
So she knows that the son of David, see child
is gonna come from her wound, and that child will
be the son of God, and it's gonna be rain
King forever.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
That's right, right, right, And.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
So she's saying that I haven't had sex, right, and
and so this is what the angel gonna tell her.
After she said.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Thirty five, And the Angel answered and said, unto her,
the Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power
of the Highest shall overshadow me. Therefore, also that holy
thing which shall be born of thee shall be called
the Son of God? Right, So what this happened to you?

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
And you're gonna know when once that just let it
take over you. Once that happened, what comes of that
with the Son of God?

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Right? Right? So in other words, it's gonna take control.
Right that holy ghost made us and aggressive. You see
what I'm saying. It's gonna take control. How else is
it gonna happen? Because she's saying, I don't know nobody,
but it overcame and made her know. Somebody deceit of David,

(01:08:37):
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
And after the angel told her that that this holy
ghost is gonna literally take control of you thirty six
days and behold by cousin Elizabeth. She also conceived a
son in her old age, and this is the sixth
month with her who was called Baron. With God, nothing

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shall be impossible. So don't say, don't think in your mind.
He didn't want Mary to even think in her mind
that the most I won't take control and make that happen,
all right?

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
And Mary said, now this is the kicker thirty eight
And Mary said.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
Behold the handmaid of the Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Be it unto me according to the to thy word,
and the angel departed from her. So Mary just says
she knows the mission and she ready to do what
the Lord saith.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Okay, So this young lady, this young lady understands the mission. Baby, Okay,
you know what's so crazy about that? Brother? Everybody will
to God, everybody want to do God, but they can't
see Mary doing it. There. That was the one that

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won pot happen. She's women use me as an instrument. Yes,
it's a pretio, right and man, go ahead, brother, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Yes, he understands the missions, okay, right, and she's gonna
make that happen, all right?

Speaker 4 (01:10:26):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
Ah?

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Then thirty nine and Mary a rode in it in
those days.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
So what that means that there's days then passed by, y'all?

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Mm hm. Days then passed by.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
And went into the hill country with haste, into a
city of Judah, and entered into the house of Zacharias right,
and the saluted Elizabeth. All right, So after days do
and went by, and it came to pass that when
Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in

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her wound, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy ghost.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
Oh pregnating women.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
And she spake out of with a loud voice, and says,
blessed art thou among women, and blessed the fruit of
thy wound.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
And whence is this to me that the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Mother of the Lord shall come to me right? And
for lo as soon as the voice of thy salutation
sounded in my ears, the babe leaped in my wound
for joye and blessed she that believed, for there shall
be a performance of those things which were told her
from the Lord. And Mary said, my soul, do magnify

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the Lord, and my spirit have rejoiced in God, my savior,
for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden.
For behold, from his force, all generations shall call me blessed.
For he that is mighty have done to me great things.

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The holy is his name, and his mercy is on
them that fear him from generation to generation, and have
shown strength with his arms. He have scattered the proud
in the imagination of their hearts, and he have put
down the mighty from their seats and exalted them of

(01:12:32):
low degree. He had filled the hungry with good things,
and He's and the rich he have sent empty away.
He has hoping his servant Israel in remembrance of his mercy,
as he's faith to our fathers, to Abraham and to

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his seed forever. And may Re abode with her about three.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Months and returned to her own house.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Okay, now Elizabeth's full name came.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Okay, let me all right, let me stop right there.
So all that right there, what you're saying, what that tells.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
You about Mary?

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Okay, this young lady underloved God. Uh and she understood
the mission.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
And right now she's like voting with her cousin that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Yeah, the world don't see me. You don't say blessed
the mom. You know what I'm saying everybody, generation, generations.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
The comb Okay from what I did, Okay, right right right,
so yeah, I just wanted to paint that picture. And
with that, I want to say, I'm gonna stop right there, Joe,
you know, no, no, no one more script one most script.
Let's jump over to Luke chapter three.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
There you go, twenty three, three and twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Yeah, let's go to Luke chapter three.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Yeah, go to Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Joh, I know I'm long winded. I'm trying to get
to it young right here, jod Alright, we're gonna turn
over to Luke chapter three.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
And I'm gonna read this. I was started at twenty three.
Now now now pay attention to what the brother about
to read. This is the reverse order from Matthew. Okay,
go ahead, brother, all right, Luke chapter three. It comes
about fifty years after Matthew, by the way, the book

(01:14:35):
of Luke. No no, no, no, no, no, I'm saying
that wrong. I don't know if it was that many years,
because Luke the uh, the Book of Matthew is the
only one we still got today in Hebrew. Okay, the
rest of these books, uh, they're they're written in Greek.

(01:14:58):
But if he was the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
Try to say who which one was first. I want
to say Matthew was the one first because we see
it in Hebrew. But that's still not a dead giveaway
because it was interchangeably of Greek and Hebrew was being
read by you know, the whole population basically, so these

(01:15:24):
people were able or bilingual. They can read each either
which way. So it's hard to say which one is first.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
But I can't say that as reading it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Matthew walked with Christ right, and Luke didn't come into
the understanding about Christ until I want to say about
sixty a d. And all right about fifty something ad
That is, Christ died at thirty three a d. And

(01:15:59):
then the brothers went through their mission and journeyed. Then
Paul came into the picture, and then Paul bumped into Luke,
and then Luke became a believer in fallow Paul. And
you know what I'm saying, he lived over here, wade
out the way, and he's coming to Jerusalem following Paul
and stuff in his journeys and writing all of this, okay,

(01:16:24):
putting all this together. Okay, So the names I'm saying
that to set the stage for what were about to read.
This is how the information came to Luke, and Luke
is gonna read it the opposite way, right back down,
you know, to Adams, the other way. Right, that's very

(01:16:46):
important what he about?

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
All right now Luther and uh, Luke is gonna give
you the names which is on the how the church
scene it the synagogue scenic because they keep a record
of birth, you know, the birth folks, all right, and

(01:17:16):
the record that you've seen that Luke got is uh,
God has a spiritual orientation with it, like the wh
all right, there's a commandment from God in the Old
Testament that if a brother gets married and he died

(01:17:37):
before he has a child, another brother lays with his
brother's wife, and that child that comes from that belongs
to the deceased brother. He will be an heir for
his deceased brother.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
God got that, all right. Now that is being played
out in Luke. So some of these names are won't
match up with Matthew, And I got that. That's because
the brother of in Matthews, he's the Matthew got the
correct father's in it. Don't have the jack correct father

(01:18:19):
in there. It got the deceased brother's names in him.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
You see what I'm saying. But all in all, but
all in all, they're all part of the same family,
all right, which is a descendant from David. All right,
And that's the part that we you know. So I
just got to give you all this little backstory.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
All right, here's the lead.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
About when I'm about to start blows every everything out
of the water, because this is the information that Luke
got in his mind. See that's the so how they
see it then, all right, is the way the ministry
about Christ wins. It's two thousand years ago and it

(01:19:11):
was like this all the way until modern day, the
nineteenth century, eighteen hundreds, you know. And it ain't until
like the eighteen hundreds. I could google it if y'all
want me to, when the virgin birth understanding came to be.

(01:19:32):
It's very modern, y'all. All this time two thousand years ago,
all the way into like the eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
That or it was some it's something. It's modern day.

Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
Times, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
That's when they said that Joseph is.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
Not the father.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
But for the past two thousand years, the church acknowledged
that Christ was David, I mean, Josephson.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
You got that, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
I just want to put that in there, y'all. But
he is the son of God, don't get me wrong.
It's just scripturally the church decided to look it could
have been the sixteen hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
I need to go back and check it, y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
But when that understanding, that epiphany hit one of the
readers or the popes or one of the folks, and
if they made it official, okay, So if they made
it official, meaning that was a debate that they been
having for a while, and that you can see what
won was he didn't have a human Dad. You know,

(01:20:45):
that's what wanted out. And officially that's the Catholic Church position,
all right, but the earlier churches they.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Looked at it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
How I'm reading into you now, yo, okay, all right,
oh Luke three three and Jesus himself began to be
about thirty years of age being.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Now this is quote. It's in quotations, as was supposed.
So if it's in parish parsies like that, in these
quotations like that, that means that it was added in families.
So if someone added that in there, that means originally

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it says being about thirty years of age being the
son of Joseph. Then it went into which is the
son of Eli, which was the son of Atathias, which
was the son of Levi, which was the son He's
gonna go up this ladder. You see, what I'm saying

(01:21:53):
is right off the bat, but it's it's start right
off the back half fright him of the back, hey himself.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
And let me say this, I'm sorry to disturb you.
He didn't mention the Holy Spirit. It didn't mention Mary.
Now that this dealing with genealogy, there you go order
to the flesh, right, yeah, hey yeah, if the if
the Holy Ghost is his father, would his father name

(01:22:28):
be right here if it came from Mary's side, If
it's Mary, ce when she be the first thing that's
being named here? They not they not mentioned, they're not mentioned.
And a precept to that, because I'm gonna give up
my turn, would be Revelations twenty two and sixteen, that

(01:22:51):
very last book of this the very last chapter of
this book, five verses before the whole thing over with,
you ain't gonna see the name of Mary, and you
and this Christ talk, and you ain't gonna see the
Holy Holy does this Christ talking? So what what are
we to do with that?

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
So Luke three already.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Got Joseph as the father, and Luke yan reread of
that story, right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
It ain't not on that Then we see the Matthew
that Joseph the son of David. Then that angel address
him as that it's not the prophecy that that David
off screen is gonna sit on the throne from there
forever and it's gonna come out in his bown.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Why man, when we talk about hey, yeah, I've been
long winded, y'all. So I'm finna go ahead and.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
Pass that, Mike going over.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
No, no, brother, brother, read because I'm giving up my turn.
Can you read Revelations twenty two and sixteen that's gonna
go along with that genealogy you just read, Let's see
what Christ say out in his own mouth? Because Mary
wasn't mentioned, so you can't say that's to see the
David and the Holy Spirit wasn't mentioned right there, and

(01:24:17):
Luke three and twenty three when it went down through
the genealogy, same thing as Matthew. But when you get
the wrong understanding of these words in terms, then you
know there becomes a problem. You read one scripture earlier
that had said he gonna be the son of God,

(01:24:39):
but he coming from his father David. So which one
of them is to dad this? Because you don't want
to reread that, Let's get out of Christ's mouth. I
give up my turn. Read that Revelation twenty two and sixteen.
The very last, now here the last thought of this book,
the almost the very last thought, okay, almost the very

(01:25:03):
last thought of this book. Let's see out of Christ's
on mouth. Let's see if he let let's see if
you're lying up with Luke with Luke just said, let's
see revelations Revelation twenty two, Burden sixteen. Right, odd, Jesus
have sent my angel to testify unto you these scenes

(01:25:25):
in the churches. Right, Okay, go ahead, brother, go ahead.
Jesus sending the angels send the message to the churches.
Let's see what he says. Let's see what he's telling
his angels to tell the churches. Read. I am the

(01:25:45):
root and the offspring of.

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
David, and the why and.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
And the bright and morning start right. So why is
Christ giving revens reference to David? Why that would be
disrespectful to the Most High God. This is this, five
more verses after this, and that whole Bible through. So

(01:26:15):
what are we to do with that? This is Christ
saying he the offspring of David. That's the prophecy. That's
the propheccy. I mean, that's the prophecy. God said he
can't lie to David. You read that in Psalms eighty nine.
But everybody wants to make him a liar. If God

(01:26:36):
say I'm gonna give you a son, he gonna give
you a son. If he say he gonna give your daughter,
he gonna give you a daughter. He not a god
to lie. He ain't like us. We're lie, we'll lie
on the bibble. But anyway, I digress, man, this Christ,
I ain't gonna argue with Christ. He said, he the

(01:26:57):
offspring of David.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
What that means?

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Does anybody got off springs on his phone? What that means?
If you got an offspring? What that means? That's Christ
saying that. This ain't Luke saying it. This ain't Matthew
saying this, ain't Isaiah saying this. Ain't Paul saying it.
This Christ read letter out of his very own mouth.

(01:27:22):
So we're gonna argue with him. He don't know who
his daddy is. Right, let me tell you something Christ
told Israel be ye perfect for your father in heaven
is perfect. And Christ was an Israelite and he called it.
He told them, Israelites, your father is in heaven is perfect,

(01:27:42):
be just like him. So him calling God father and
God calling him his son, just like he called the
children of Israel his children. Why is that so far fetched? Why?
He said, listen, okay, all right, okay, I digress. I
digress one more last, and then I'm gonna give billy.

(01:28:07):
I'm gonna pass the micah billy, here we comes. I'm
gonna read one morning.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
Go ahead, I want to go. I want to go next.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
I ain't got short, brother, ron, Brother, I'm gonna show
you how we gonna get the Holy Dos. So I
guess now he had daddy. He burked us because I'm
gonna show it. I'm gonna show it through prophecy, and
I'm gonna show it. We're gonna get it just like
Christ got it. Go ahead, and.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
A brother, all right, just put the cherry on top,
mum hm. Revelations chapter five. And I saw in the
right hand of him that sat on the throne a
book written within on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

(01:29:01):
And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice,
who is worthy to open up the book and to
loose the seals?

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
There is? And no man in heaven, nor in earth,
neither under the earth, was able to open the book,
neither to look. They're wrong. And I wept much because
no man was found worthy to open and to read
the book, neither to look their own. And no one

(01:29:32):
of the elders said unto me, oh, excuse me. And
one of the elders says, unto me, we not behold
the lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David,
have prevailed to open the book and to loose the
seventh seals. There is.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
All right, So that's Christ, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
He is the lion of Judah. He is Judah, Judahs
the king fill okay, of of the brothers, all right,
and he was the one found worthy. All right? All right? Uh,
brother Billy, you got the mic. You got the floor. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Oh, I mean brother Ronald, my best brother, Ronald, you
got the mic, You got the floor. And we're gonna
do our best not to interrupt you as you flow.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
Brother, all right, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
I'll go to Matthew Chapter one, verse three. It says
in Judas begat Uh Pharaoh said, no, you know I'm
Verse two, he says, I'll just read one of two
in the book of the Genealogy Generations of Jesus Christ,
the sign of David and the sign of Abraham, Abraham Begat,

(01:30:51):
and Isa Begat, Jacob and Uh and Jacob be got
Judas and his brother. So so we so we know
what that so so we know that this is six
right here when he says.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Big Gat, right, son O, brother Hampton. No, no, no, okay,
go ahead, go ahead, brother Ron Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:31:13):
So now I want to go to uh Luke chapter one,
and it said and the angels, and the angel answered
and said it to her, the Holy Ghost shall come
upon thee and uh no, not that one.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
No, I think uh Luke won sixteen. Is that twenty
three or twenty three?

Speaker 4 (01:31:39):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Is it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Says holy ghost thirty five when you're looking.

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
For thirty five.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Luke one thirty five.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Yeah, that's what I.

Speaker 4 (01:31:55):
Think you're trying. Where he's the holy ghost.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
She was fond of child as the Holy Ghost.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
Oh that's that's Matthew one.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Brother, Yeah, Matthew. Okay, I wanna go Matthew.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
I think I must have said, uh Luke, I'm not
sorry that yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
Verse verse eighteen, it says, now the birth of Jesus
Christ was on this wise.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
So uh.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
When when this mother Mary was espoused to Joseph before
they came together, she was found with child of the
Holy Ghost. So uh so it so so we don't now.
Now the Bible says, don't add or take away from
guy's word. I'm not gonna add or take away from it.
He don't say that it says she was fond of

(01:32:49):
Child of the Holy Ghost. He don't say that, Uh
that Joseph begat Mary. It said she was she was
fan of the Child of the Holy Ghost.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Okay, hold on, hold on, brother, brother, brother, just hold it.
Let him get out fifth, Okay, go ahead, go ahead,
I'm gonna keep my mind clubs. Go ahead. So he
didn't say, but got but I'm gonna show you where
it save. But God, it's the same word. Go ahead, man,
I'm I'm I'm gonna be quiet. I'm gonna sit back.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
Okay. So, uh, it don't say that that Joseph begot married.
He said that. He said that before they came together,
she was fond of Child of the Holco. And before
I mean before, I means after, before, I mean after
the fact.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
After.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
Yeah, she was. She was already printant, already before Holo Holos.
So now I want to now I want to go
to Uh now I want to go to Hebrews chapter four.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Yeah, you want to do that, brother Israe. That's what
he want to do. Not yet, we want to let
them flow. We want to let him flow. Hebrew chapter four,
chapter seven, Chapter seven from three, it's okay, without father,

(01:34:20):
without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days nor
end of life, but made like unto the Son of God,
abided a priest continually.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
Continue you Okay, so that means so so so we
know that the priest, when the priests, the priest guy
using all the Testament, they died. But Jesus is a
priest the Bible. See he's he's a priest forever.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
Continue.

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
Yeah, so continuing your.

Speaker 4 (01:34:54):
You're right, yeah right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
I don't want to, but brother Israel, I really want
them to go.

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
Riot.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Okay, let me know it because I might can help
out with mutant or something. Yeah, okay, appreciate.

Speaker 4 (01:35:14):
I'm doing it to help you out.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Brother.

Speaker 4 (01:35:16):
I know this. You give it in there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
I appreciate because because because Jesus said, Jesus said, you
think you have reach on life, but the scriptures speak
of me. All all the people that got using using
this Bible, they pointed to Christ. Okay, so we got
we got to understand that too. So I want to
prece up that with Matthew chapter four, and I'm gonna
read uh verses one through four showing that this that

(01:35:43):
that this this male chestaviak is Christ?

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
Okay, all right, Matthew, Chapter four one through four.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
Yeah, And the key versus keep versus keyp versus three
is verse three.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Okay. Then was led up of the spirit into the
wilderness to be off the stop starting the top, he said,
of the top is verse one right y verse world
worth one.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Yep, that's what I was reading, bro Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the
wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when he
had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward
and hungry. And when the tempter came to him, he said,
if thou be the Son of God, command that these

(01:36:41):
stones be made bread.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
But he started them, Oh yeah, stop right there, stopping three,
stopping three. So it said without without father, without mother,
without the sentence, having neither beginning, beginning, days, nor end
of life, but made like into the Son of God.
That about it forever and and now we know that

(01:37:07):
in the Revelation he says that Christ is the Uh.
It's the beginning and the end, you know. So so
my point is that that Christ is Christ. Uh. Christ
didn't have Christ didn't have Christ didn't have no boot. Uh,
he didn't have no biolizical father because he was all
he was before he even came his father, his father

(01:37:29):
with God. You know, God was his father, you know.
But before he before he even came, before he was
uh came on earth.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
He was. He was. He was with the father.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
He'd always been with the father. You know what I'm saying.
So all all, all I'm saying is that uh, that
Christ's birth was different from uh all the all the
other people that uh that's in the Bible that God
used because why wise means that that that that this
is a different birth, This is a different uh, this

(01:38:02):
is a different bird that uh that that christna that
he's gonna be, uh, he's gonna come into the world.
And and the reason why the angel, the reason why
the angel came is because Joseph was mad because he
because he had he probably he probably thought she had
slept with somebody else, but the angel told him that
that was not, so you know, I think that's why

(01:38:23):
he was. He was trying. He was probably trying to
put her away because he thought he had slept with
slept with somebody else. So uh, that's uh, that's my
uh understanding on the on the burden birth.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
I'm just going to buy my understanding. You know what
I'm saying because I know that, Uh, I just I
know that that it says that she was fond of
child of the Holy Ghost. He don't say, you don't.
He don't say she was fond of child of Joseph.
He says of the Holy Ghost. And and this is

(01:38:59):
my lad point. It says, uh, nothing is it possible
with God? God made Adam out of dust of the ground.
You know he Adam looked. Adam was not conceived. You
know what I'm saying. He was made. He was made
out of the dust the ground, so he could do anything,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
So we need mine too.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
You know, God can do anything He's going to.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
So uh, I rest my case on that, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
And uh, you did. You did a great job explaining
your case. I just want to ask you just a
little bit of questions. You know what. You don't even
have to answer you you don't want to. But I am.
I listened to your case and I'm literally taking it
in and I am considering that I am and I

(01:39:55):
just wanted to ask you a question. Are you considering
the case that we're bringing as well? I mean, just
to consider you know what I mean? Is that or
is it like, uh, is it some kind of wall
that's up that you just you're not trying.

Speaker 4 (01:40:15):
To hear it?

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
You know? Is that the case?

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
I can see anything? You know what I'm saying when
it comes to the Word of God. Because we all
can be wrong, we can we can all be wrong
about scriptures.

Speaker 4 (01:40:26):
You know what I'm saying, right right?

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Okay, Okay, that's what I want to know.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
Baba said when Christ come back. But if it's another scripture,
I want to go to another scripture. If if you
don't mind, Okay, okay, what's up, brost scription? Okay, let
me go to this word crip hold on, give me
one second, all right, all right, go to uh go

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to first Coarenti, Chapter thirteen, First Coarenti Chapter thirteen. All right,
all right, now I'm gonna now, I'm gonna start it.
Let me see. Let me start that thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
We verse twelve, verse twelve, all right, verse twelve. For
now we see through a glass darkly, but then face
to face now I know in part, but then shall
I know even as also I am known.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:41:42):
So the Bible said, we know, it's part of we
probably we prop we prophesize in part, so we don't
so so we don't know. We don't We don't know
everything clearly because God, because God is not He's not
showing us everything clearly. But but the Bible says, when
Christ come, we go, we go. We gonna know as
he know, you know what I'm saying, We're gonna know
the things that he knows. Everything is true, you know

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what I'm saying. So I just want to always want
to put that in because a lot of people, a
lot of preachers think they think they know the Bible
back in front and they can't never be wrong. But
the Bible says that we see it through a dark glass.
You know what I'm saying. We don't have We don't
have the whole picture, you know, So we we prophesize

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in part, you know what I'm saying. So that means
that means that that we don't have the we don't
have the whole understanding as Christ and the Fat they have,
they have the whole. They see the whole, They see
the full picture, uh, perfectly you know what I'm saying,
we can't see the whole picture. But I'm not saying
that we can't understand some things about the Bible. But

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I'm not saying I'm saying we're not gonna understand everything.
You know what I'm saying that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Is pretty heavy.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
That next verse half of that compliments what you're saying.
And now, faith, charity, these three, but the greatest of
these is charity, right right, So yeah, yeah, yeah, that
phase is a big part. Charity is a huge part, right,

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And that's what we need to know when reading these scriptures. Right, Okay,
I can dig it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
I can dig it, Brother Rober, I can dig Let
me open up brother Israel's mike. He probably got a
couple of things. He got it. You want to say,
all right, uh, brother, you are owned con shot of one.
Now I would like to address first. The first thing

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I want to address is in verse one. Then we're
gonna jump down to verse sixteen. Verse one talks about
the generation of Christ and it names two people. It
didn't name the Holy Spirit, it didn't name God. This
is the generation of Christ. Now when they talk about

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be God, that begat right. There is the cod to
that and the definition of that word is a G
ten eighty. Now when we go down to verse sixteen,
in verse sixteen, I'm gonna read sixteen and Jacob but God,

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Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born, that born,
that word born, that's that's the same code as be God.
It's a g qn eighty was born Jesus who is
called Christ. Okay, but to be fair, I'm gonna jump

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down to verse twenty. I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna be
fair about it. And it said when you go down
to where it says that which is conceived, then her
is of the Holy Spirit. When you get to the word, see,
that's a gen eight, the same as be good. So
we have to make sense of what the Bible is

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actually saying. And when it talked about the word made flesh,
let's talk about the beginning, right, and that word or
that spirit would be put in Christ. That's why he's
isn't sin. And I'm show that same Okay, all right, Okay,

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he missed it. Okay, let me start back over because
I want the young brother to get it. It says
in verse sixteen and Jacob begot Joseph, the husband of Mary,
and that word be good. The code to it is
a G ten eighty. It says the husband of Mary,

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of whom was born right there. That word is a
G ten eighty. That word born right there Jesus. So
it's the same word as Begod. Watch this who is
called Christ. Okay, so I'm gonna be fair. Let's jump
down in verse twenty and it says almost at the

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end when it says for that which is conceived in her,
that word conceived. That's a G ten eight. Okay. So
that's t okay. So now we know that Joseph the
goat and the Holy Spirit guy right right. So just

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let us know that the word is gonna be made flint.
What's the word? The command is the spirit of God.
That's what the word is. That's his spirit. That's what
he like in dislife. Now I'm gonna show that same
spirit is gonna be put in us. And it was
prophesied in Ezekiel thirty seven. So let's turn it real quick.
That ain't gonna be long winded because I know brother

(01:46:55):
Billy coming up. So let's go to Exekuel. Let's go
to Execuel thirty seven. This is a prophecy. Uh, let's
go to verse uh is it? Let me see what
verse that is. We'll take Okay, let's go on down. Okay, okay, okay.

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Right here, verse twenty three, it said, neither shall they
defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things,
nor with any of their transgression, transgression, meaning Israel ain't
gonna sin anymore. In order for that to happen, a

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divine intervention has to happen, just like a divine intervention
happened with Christ. And that's why he couldn't sin. Let's
let's let's let's let's read on and then let's get
the property and let's see it being fulfilled. It says,
but I will save them out of all their dwelling
places wherein they have sin. See that we ain't gonna

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be seeing it, and will cleanse them. He's gonna he
gonna clean us up. We ain't gonna see it no more.
We ain't gonna celebrate Christmas. We ain't gonna celebrate Easter,
all them them idols. We ain't dealing with that. Watch
this show? Shall they Israel be my people? And I
will be their God? Now let's see where it's gonna

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be fulfilled. Let's go to the New Covenant eight and eight.
I think it's verse ten. I'm gonna be through Hebrews
and what. Well, now I got two more scriptions. I'm
gonna be too. Because the brother said something. Let's go
to verse ten. Watch what it said. For this is
the covenant that I will make with the House of

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Israel after those days, said the Lord, I.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Will my law.

Speaker 2 (01:48:53):
That's the spirit, that's the commandments of God. That's his spirit,
what he likes and don't like. I will put my
laws into their mind. That's that flesh. Okay, he gonna
take that stony heart. He gonna change it and write
them in their hearts. And I will be to them
a God, and they shall be to me. Eight people.

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That's Israel. We just read it in Execu. But watch this,
I'm gonna go one more verse. Not according to the
covenant that I made with their fathers in the days
when I took them out of the by the hand
out of and led them out of the land of Egypt. Yeah,
because he written that on stone, public, he gonna write

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it on our heart. He gonna put that holy spirit
in us. We won't seeing no more. We ain't gonna
do what the rest of the world is doing. Same
thing he did with Christ, the Word made flesh. Okay.
And then for my last two scriptures, let's read do
the running me eighteen and eighteen. Let's go there real quick.

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Then we're gonna go to Hebrews. I think it's two seventeen.
I think if I'm not mistaken, let's go to Dudonomy
eighteen and eighteen. Now watch what they say. This is
a prophecy, and I will raise them up a prophet
from a mom their brother in like Ontov. And we'll

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put my word in his mouth. See that's the Holy
Spirit being put inside of him. And he shall speak
unto them all that unto them, all that I shall
command him. Now let's go to Let's do that and other.
Remember he putting his word in his mouth, right, So

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let's go to Let's go to Hebrews. Let's go to Hebrews.
We're gonna make this real quick, and then we're gonna
get one more thing in the New Covenant. I forgot
to read one verse. I'm gonna show it to you.
That's the only reason why I'm gonna go back. Let's
go to Hebrews. I think it's two and seven, two
and seventeen as they did. See, Okay, let's start at

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verse fifteen. Let's see, Oh, oh, where do we say
about the flesh and blood? Is that in verse fourteen? Yeah?
For as much then as the children are partakers of
flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of

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the same. Meaning he came the same way. Watch this,
that through death he might destroy him that had the
power of death, that is the devil. Let's keep going
and deliver them who, through fear of death, were all

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their lifetime subjected to bundage. For verily. He took not
on him the natures of angels. He didn't take on
the nature. What's the nature angel? Right? But he took
upon him the seed, the seed of Abraham. That's what
he took upon it, the seed a Let's keep going.

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That's that flesh. Okay. Wherefore, in all things it behooves
him to be made made mean, to be made like
unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and
faithful high priest. In things. Ain't into God to recon

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to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. You
see that he was made in it. He was made
out of the same flesh and blood. He can't his brothren,
the same one that he gonna be raised up among.
He was created, and he was made in the same
manner that they were made. Because if he was made

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from the High, the most high God, then hey, we
all got a reason why we can't keep commandments because
he comes from God. How we gonna beat that right?

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
So we got one more verse. Let's go back to
the Hebrews eight and eight. I got one more version.
I'm through. I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna show you.
Watch this. Let's go back down to verse teen, because
I should have read this earlier. Okay, watch this. We're
gonna read ten and eleven. For this is the tegnant

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that I will make with the House of Israel. After
those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws
that's his spirit, into their mind and write them in
their hearts. See see that he ain't gonna write on
stone tablet.

Speaker 4 (01:53:47):
He gonna write in our heart.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
And we made a sin no more, according to Execu,
i'mna prove it, and I will be to them a god,
and they shall be to me a people. I watch
what it says, and they Israel shall not teach every
man his neighbor, whether they gonna teach what they're not
gonna teach, and every man his brethren saying know the Lord.

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See that right? You know when God say If they say,
ain't no, mean keep not my commandments, they're liar. Christ
he came from I'm gonna read it. Keep reading, for
all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
And nobody Christ the Bible. They didn't have to teach Christ.

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Christ came teaches us because the Holy Spirit was made flesh.
It was put in that fleshly body. He ain't talking
about what they thinking, that God has sex with some
flesh filthy. I'm not a man that ain't happy. She can't.
You can't receive.

Speaker 4 (01:54:54):
No, you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
That's too much power. You just too much. Woman can't
receive that. But anyway, that's it right there, brother, And
that's how we're gonna become just like Christ and that
Holy Spirit that jumped in, that holy ghost, that jumping
John the Baptist, just like Christ, it's gonna be in us.

Speaker 4 (01:55:20):
Hallelujah, hallelujah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
All right, brother Billy, here we go here we go,
Brother Billy, all right, you God.

Speaker 4 (01:55:29):
I got.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
I'm glad to have the.

Speaker 4 (01:55:33):
Mic and uh and I heard some interests and things.
I thank God for Brother Ron what he brought over there.
And uh Corinthians where he said we would look through
the glass. So uh, it's basically that's the way it
is with God word, with thy faith, it's impossible to

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please God. And if you could see everything, you wouldn't have.
But no need eat for faith. You see what I'm saying.
He says, why I hope for something that you already
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
See see, we.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
Hope for things that we don't see. That's where faith
keep in. So Brother Runn was saying that, you know,
making that very clear. I don't I don't need no interruptions.
I'm gonna go through, I said, and I listen to y'all.
I want y'all to listen to me. And I won't
be that long. All right, all right, man, the Michael

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George brother. Wow, Okay, now we're gonna talk about Oh
I don't I didn't really want to go, but I'm
gonna go to Second familyre because this is the verse
that that's gonna have some deep meaning. Second Samire in
the seventh chapter, in the twelfth verse, it says, in
when the when thur days be fulfilled, and I shall

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sleep with thy fathers, I will set up die seed
after these, said the Lord talking to David. And he said,
after your days be flfilled and thou shall sleep, That
means he died. He said, I will set up thy
seed after the Now, how now, when you talk about seed,

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seed is dealing with Spern. So we know if David
is dead, it couldn't be that seed, right, So it's
got to be dealing with his lineage, the lineage, the family. Okay,
so we get I got that understanding. Now, at the
end of later on, I'm gonna i'm on, I'm on,
I'm gonna explain myself on all of this. We're gonna

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go to Matthew. But I want you all to understand
this right here. When David is sleep, God says, I
will set up thy seed after the Okay, we're gonna
I'm gonna kind of show you how that's gonna happen here.
All right, We're going to Matthew and I'm gonna start
the birth of Jesus and it's gonna be the eighteenth,

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Chapter one, Verse eighteen. We're gonna walk down through this
and we're gonna see just like my brother run was
trying to explain and sharing with y'all. Uh, we're gonna
kind of go over some of that, but uh, I'm
gonna walk down through here with you. And as I
walk down here, I don't need no interruption. I listen

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to y'all. I want y'all to just listen to me.
And then at the end, if you want to challenge
me on something, you know, you can challenge me like
I can challenge y'all. Okay, here you go, and not
like another thing. Brother run A brought out with God.
Anything is possible. With God, anything is possible. He got

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a he got a Christian and a Hebrew Israelite. That's
in totally agreement on the bird and birth. So with God,
anything as possible, all right now, Verse eighteen it says,
now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise
when as his mother Mury was in spoused to Joseph.

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That means in spouse means engaged to Joseph before they
came together. This means before they had sex. She was
found with child of the Holy Ghost. Not with a
child of Joseph, with a child of the Holy Ghost.
Like my brother Ron said, don't add, don't take away.

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Take the scriptures and read it, and it's telling you
exactly what it says. She was found with a child,
and this child was of the Holy Ghost. You can't
clear that out now, you might can't explain it, because
God says, my ways of higher, and you know, and
my thoughts are higher than your thoughts. So just because
our little old mind can't understand that, then the word

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of God said, and that so it is okay. In
verse nineteen, then Joseph her husband, he's been adjust man.
This means he's a just man, not willing to make
her a public example, was minded to put her away privately.
Now he's a just man, it says, Now Joseph, her husband,

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being a just man, would why would he want to
put away his wife, his wife that he's engaged to marry.
Why would he want to put her away? Because in
verse eighteen it says she was found with a child
of the oldi Ghost. He knew that he hadn't slept
with her, and so that child was not his, okay,

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and so he was gonna thinking about how to put
her away, you know, privately, not making a public because
he loved her and he didn't want to make an
open thing about it. But while he was thinking on
these things verse twenty. But while he thought on these things,
behold the Angel of the Lord period unto him in

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a dream that means he was sleep. He was dreaming, saying, Joseph,
thy son of David, fearing not to take unto thee
marry thy wife, for that which is conceived in her
is of the Holy Ghost. He didn't say what conceived

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in her was of Joseph. If you lay with a
woman and she conceived, and you the one that's laying
with us, that's your child. If someone else is laying
with your wife and she conceived, that's that person the
other person child. But by their child, you know, by
the law, if it's if it's you married to us,

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and it's gonna still be your child, okay. In verse
twenty one, and she shall bring forth a son, a son,
and thou shall call his name Jesus, and he shall
save his people from their sin. Now all this was
done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of

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the Lord by the prophet, saying behold, a virgin shall
be with child and shall bring forth a son, and
they shall call his name he Manuel, which being interpreted
is God with us. Then Joseph God with Yeah, God,

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I'm missing, so yeah, God with us. Now verse twenty four.
This is important. Then Joseph, being raised from sleep, did
as the Angel of the Lord said, had bidden him
and took unto him his wife. When he says he

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took unto Mary's wife, that's what the angel said. The
angel didn't tell him to go sleep with Mary. He said,
take unto Mary, your wife. So Joseph, he'd woke up
out of the sleep, he went and got married, took
her as his wife. And in verse twenty five, it's
making it clear here that Joseph didn't sleep with her

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and knew her not till she had brought forth her
first bond son and called his name Jesus. Now that
word knew. If you go back in the fourth chapter
of Geneson, it says that Adam knew his wife and
she conceived and Barrit came. So that word knew means intimate,

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and so right here in verse twenty five, the Word
of God is telling us and knew her not in
other words, he wasn't intimate with her. Okay, so it's
no way that this could be Joseph. Baby, all right,
and I'm I'm gonna let me, let me go back
and touch. In verse eighteen, it said that this child

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that was founding her was the Holy ghosts and I'm
gonna show you. In Genesis three and fifteen it talked
about Jesus it's gonna be at war with Satan. I'm
paraphrasing it gonna be at war with Satan. And it says,
and he's gonna come from the seed of a woman.
Think about this, the seed of a woman. Keep this

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in mind. Well, let me go it on the touch,
touch on that the seed of the woman. Okay, why
a woman did not have seed? But how was he
gonna be of the seed of a woman. Because this
woman did have a seed in her bowels, which is
dealing with in the family. She was married to Joseph.

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By being married to Joseph, they become one. So with
her having that seed, and Joseph never did have sex
with us, so he didn't put his seed in him.
This seed was of the Holy ghost, the seed of
the woman. And why was this done? It was done
this way because as you said, and I heard, my

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brother Michael was making mention e was a man. Brother
did not have a child, and he died. Then his
brother would come and sleep with his wife to put
a seed in her to where his brother name can
be carried on. So it is with God when he

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told that David that it was gonna be his seed.
He's gonna be in the box. He gonna have a seed.
Then it's gonna last forever and ever. But Joseph was
David was dead. So God came that seed of the woman.
The Holy Spirit over shot at her, and she was

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impregnated with a child to carry out what God is.
Can y'all hear I'm here, okay, yeah, but yeah, but
this is what God did. I know you don't want
to hear it, but this is what God did. He

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turned around and to carry david name. Only he told
him his seed hit by the Holy Spirit coming over Mary,
which was the speed of the woman, not a feed
of a man. And the reason why he says, from
the seed of a woman, because it wasn't gonna be
no man. Okay, So let me go on over here

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to Luke and let's touch in here. In Luke and uh,
and I'm gonna show you over here in Luke. It
was told, I'm gonna start a verse up. And in
the sixth month, the Anger Gabble was sent from God
unto a city of Gallilee named Nazrah, to a virgin

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and spouse to a man whose name was Joseph. And
in the house of David, and the virgin name was married.
And the Anger came in unto her and said, hell,
thou art highly favored. The Lord is with Thee, blessed

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art thou among women? And when she saw him, she
was troubled at his sin and cast in her mind
what manner of salutation? This with Thee? And the Angel said,
unto her, fear not marry thou hast found favor with God.

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And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy wound and bring
forth a son, and shall call his name Jesus. And
he shall be great, and he shall be called the
son of Wo, the son of the Hiat. And the
Lord shall give unto him the throne of Wo his father,

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who David. How is david name being carried on? Is
when the Holy Spirit overshadowed marriage and God can turn
around and and and in the in the in the
lineage of David, that child come forth to carry on
david name. Okay, and he shall reign over the house

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of Jacob forever, and his kingdom shall be no end.
Then said Mary unto the Angel, how shall this be,
saying I know not a man. In other words, she
hadn't been with no man, hadn't slept with no man.
Then the Angel gonna explain to her what's gonna happen.

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The Angel answered and said, unto her, the Holy Ghost. Now, Joseph,
the Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power
of the Highest. Who would that what he said was
gonna be that son gonna be the son of the Highest.
He said, the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee.

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Therefore also that holy what holy? Now you know, good will,
Joseph said, is not holy? Only only thing holy is God.
He said, that holy thing which shall be born of
THEE shall be called the what the Son of God?
Didn't say, the son of Joseph, He said, the Son

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of God. Okay, then I'm gonna kind of skip down here. Well,
I'm gonna skip down to thirty seven and thirty eight
because I like what said right here that my brother,
my brother brought out. I ain't gonna skip. I'm gonna
go on to thirty six, thirty six. Behold my cousin Elizabeth.
She has also conceived the son in her old age.

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In other words, she was too old to do this.
But God, what the Angel was doing with Sharon, with Mary,
giving her some prophetcy, giving her something to show her
how this is gonna come to pass, how she gonna
have a child? Okay? And he said that this your
cousin at an old age, she don't conceived, and she

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gonna have a son. And this is six months. This
is the six month with her. In other words, the
Holy Spirit was telling her, this, your cousin is six
months pregnant. Who was called Baron. In other words, she
was the old and she couldn't have no children. But

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God blessed her to where she was able to be
with child. For what with God, nothing child being possible,
hiding the Holy Spirit gonna come up on somebody and
she gonna become pregnant. Hey, brother, you ain't God. You
don't know God. God can speak anything.

Speaker 2 (02:11:11):
He can.

Speaker 4 (02:11:12):
He spoke the world into existence. And when he speaking,
he said, she's gonna be with child. She's gonna be
with child, okay. And I'm gonna show you how marriage
took this. In and verse thirty eight, and Mary said,
behold the hand made of the Lord. In other words,
I'm I'm of the Lord. He said, be unto me

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or carding to thy word? In other words, she say.
She was telling him at this time she ain't messed
with Joseph. Joseph ain't nowhere in the picture. She said,
being unto me, are carding to thy word? And then
the angel departed from her. Okay, so this is showing
you that Joseph didn't have nothing to do with it.

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But I'm gonna go over here for my brother's sake,
over here and verse and Luke three and twenty three. Okay,
my brother, look over here, and Luke, and I'm gonna
explain this for you. And and three and twenty three
it says Jesus himself began to be about thirty. This

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wasn't a baby. He's thirty years of age being the son.
Now it said as was supposed. But we know that's
something that's added in there, So we're gonna just not
put that in there. We're gonna say being the son
of Joseph. Okay, which was the son of Hater. Okay,

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what do it mean by being the son of Joseph. Yeah,
he was the son of Joseph because the Angel went
to Joseph when she was pregnant with the baby and
told Joseph to take Mary as your wife. And when
Joseph took Mary as his wife, he raised up that

(02:12:59):
baby in his household. So he was the father on
the side of the flesh because he fed that baby.
You know what I'm saying when I said the flesh,
not talking about the seed. I'm talking about he fed
that Jesus as he grew. Now, let's go back up.
He was the son of Joseph. Let's go back up

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to verse twenty two. It said the Holy Ghost descended
in a bodily shape like a dove unto him. This
is at jesus baptism. And a voice came from heaven
which said, thy art, my beloved son. Indeed, I am

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well pleased. So Jesus was of God of the Holy Spirit,
and God said right here in verse twenty two, die
or my beloved son. Okay, But in verse twenty three
it says the son of Joseph. Yes, he was both.
He was raised up in the house of Joseph. That's

(02:14:03):
why they call him the carpenter son. But he was
also the son of God. So Joseph didn't have nothing.
If Joseph would have impregnated Mary, the seed wouldn't have
been holy, because Joseph is a merry man. This what
was in Mary was holy, and it was of the

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Holy Ghost. And I rest my case.

Speaker 2 (02:14:34):
Alright, alright, well that was interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:14:38):
I got a question off the back, brother Ronald, once
you thought about Billy's part, that he just his understanding
about the virgin bird, I mean, what you think he
was awesome or something like that. I want to hear
you over the fights, brother Ronald. Oh, oh my goodness,

(02:15:04):
my bad, brother Ronald, let me unmut you. Okay, how
about now?

Speaker 2 (02:15:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:15:10):
Ya can hear you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:15:12):
All right?

Speaker 4 (02:15:12):
What do you think about Billy?

Speaker 2 (02:15:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:15:16):
I want to I'm muted.

Speaker 2 (02:15:17):
I'm muted everybody, at least I thought I muted everybody.
My bad. I want to make sure Billy that you
had no interruptions. You know what I'm saying? All right, appreciated,
appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:15:32):
That little noise man. I couldn't help it, you know
what I mean. You've been talking about talking about this
for a little while. As you was going, I just
like I need to be myself too, you know. Yeah,
brother brother Ronald, you thought it was awesome or anything

(02:15:55):
like that.

Speaker 3 (02:15:55):
And tell me, I wanna say, like like brother Billy said,
if Joseph would have smelt with with Mary, because because
every everybody that came through uh, through through his earth,
we came, we came through abe seeds, and the Bible
says all that came through albums was Finnis Christ wasn't
the senter if if if those if those would have

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got up pregnant, Uh, it would have been tightened, it
would it wouldn't have been holy. So he had he
had to come a different way, you know. And uh,
and that and that was through the whole, and that
was through the Holy ghost, you know. And and just
like you said, if God, if God can speak the
world to existence with this a word, you know, he

(02:16:38):
could do he could do what he wants to. You know,
you don't need our permission, Billy, Uh bad, my bad?
You Still I'm finished.

Speaker 4 (02:16:49):
I'm finished, Billy, I asked, but Ronald this earlier, and
now I'm gonna ask you, as as we're explaining in
our position, are you considering or because we're considering what
you laid down, Billy, I am literally considering it taking
it in uh? And I was wondering, is it is

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it mutual? Is it the same when we laid down
our understanding? Are you getting any of it in?

Speaker 2 (02:17:18):
Billy?

Speaker 4 (02:17:20):
Well? I what what what y'all shared with me? I
understand everything that y'all was saying, but that was so
far from any truth. And when I say it, so
far from any truth, you never showed me in the
scripture where Joseph was intimate with Mary. So so you

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trying to tell me that this seed that uh, this
seed was of the see to David, which is true.

Speaker 1 (02:17:51):
It is of the see to David.

Speaker 4 (02:17:53):
And I use your way of saying that if the
person is dead and they will not we could not
carry that name on. Then what what God did in
that seed of that woman? He lets the Holy Spirit
come up on her, and that the name that David

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speed David name was carried on and his kingdom is
gonna last forever.

Speaker 2 (02:18:21):
Yeah, please don't use me. Yeah, yeah, hold on, hold on,
since you use that, cause you used that and you're
not on the Bible earlier you added to and I'm
gonna go to that scripture with you added. But since

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you use that law right there as your point, as
your point of the Holy Spirit doing that. So what
you're saying is that the Holy Ghost and David brothers,
that's what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (02:18:59):
What I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:19:02):
But what I'm telling you brother, the other brother, his
his blood kin is to go lay with his wife.
So that seed that DNA can keep going with God.
Im prenting it. Hey, man, that would be no generation.
It just be God. It wouldn't be the guy the Bible.

(02:19:31):
One thing I can't stand is when somebody lies on
the Bible. I can't stand that. I'm gonna read your scripture. Now,
what Bible you're reading from, Coach, Ain't the one Bible
read the way that you read it? What what Bible
you're reading from? Brother?

Speaker 4 (02:19:46):
And what Hey, I'm gonna read from King James?

Speaker 2 (02:19:48):
What you reading from?

Speaker 4 (02:19:51):
I read from King James.

Speaker 2 (02:19:53):
Okay, King James didn't say what you saying. I'm gonna
read it. It says, but while he thought on these things,
But oh, the Angel of the Lord appeared unto him
in a dream saying Joseph, Joseph Thy, son of David,
fear not to take unto the Mary Thy wife. It

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didn't say take married as a wife, or take Mary
or what it like like it's gonna be future. It
says to take Mary thy, meaning she's already his. So
don't add it will take away trying to make it
fit your narrative. Don't do that, brother, that hey, the
Bible and Revelations eighteen to nineteen unless you want the

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curses this Bible. You don't add to take away to
try to prove a point and to push your narrative.
You don't do that. You don't deceive what you don't
do that, brother, don't do that. That's one thing I
don't like. Okay, I'll give you some feedback that you

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listen to me after and after this show is over.
You need to go back and read and go back
and listen to it, because there's nothing for you to say.
You to this word, it ain't nothing for you to say. Brother,
you ain't adress and I addressed, and I address this,

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and I'll dress what happened just said, I address Go ahead, okay,
he he said, he basically trying to share with me.
I shared with y'all at the beginning that that David
seed was gonna be. But David was gonna be dead,

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so we knew it wasn't gonna be. We know seed
is spern so we knew it wasn't gonna be his
sperm because.

Speaker 4 (02:21:51):
David was dead. So it happened to be in his minute.

Speaker 1 (02:21:55):
David and the throne followm.

Speaker 4 (02:21:59):
And right right, But it had to be through his lineage. Okay,
through his lineage lenage. If you go to dealing with lenage,
just talking about the family. Okay, so all of this
was coming through. And just like you had that custom
if a man die before you know he had a seed,

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that his brother was able to sleep with him. Well,
the woman which was in the lineage of David, Mary
was in the lineage of David, had a seed, and
that indeed the holy ghost hold on huh to holy
ghosts come upon him?

Speaker 2 (02:22:43):
You tell Mary that.

Speaker 4 (02:22:46):
Mary. Remember in Genesis three and fifteen it said that
the Christ was going to be worn up against Satan,
dceed against dioceed. He said it's gonna be the seed.

Speaker 3 (02:22:56):
Of a woman.

Speaker 4 (02:22:57):
We know that a woman did not have seed, so
why it says a woman had seed because that's what
God had hit through his plan. He was gonna have
the seed and the woman, and that seed in the
woman is what's gonna keep David name going. Okay, and
that's the way that now. But another thing, another thing

(02:23:22):
I want to touch on. Hamp said that I'm twisting
things to my narrative when that is not what I'm doing.
He wants to turn and say, Joseph and Mary was married.
That means that they had they consummated, But they didn't.
They did not. Even if you hold on, hold on,

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hold on, because it's in the scriptures, if any time,
if if if, if, if you was married and you
you were intimate with your wife, it would safe and
he uh, he went into her or it was safe
and she conceived. He married her and she conceived. If
that text had that in now, that would meant that

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they had sex.

Speaker 2 (02:24:07):
But by taking her.

Speaker 4 (02:24:08):
As his wife. Hold on, yeah, he took her as
his wife, that means accept Okay, I don't understand why
they came. Well listen, hold on, hold on, Okay, Then
I'm gonna ask you this. Can y'all show me show
me where in the scriptures that Joseph slept with Mary

(02:24:33):
when the scriptures is telling enough that she was impregnated
by the Holy Spirit and that child that was in
her was up the Holy Spirit. But you said that, Joseah,
So can you show me anywhere in the text that
Joseph slept with marriage and you tell me don't add
and don't take away. I ain't added nothing. I'm just

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telling you what those scriptures pay.

Speaker 2 (02:24:58):
Brother, don't be a hyphocrit, all right, gonna be a hypotrin.
We all want to know what.

Speaker 1 (02:25:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because we all want to shout out
the word can't add or take away? Like I want
to ask, brother Ronald, what do you make of h
Luke three twenty three? You know, and when you read
it and Luke says that and Jesus himself began to
be about.

Speaker 2 (02:25:24):
Thirty years old, thirty years of age.

Speaker 1 (02:25:27):
Being and then go quotations as was supposed the son
of Joseph, which was the son because that what you
got to say is called adding that. What you're about
to say now called addie.

Speaker 4 (02:25:44):
No, I'm not adding nothing. That's a fact. That's a fact.

Speaker 1 (02:25:49):
He took that he took that child of the Holy
Spirit and raised him up in his household. That's okay,
adding to it.

Speaker 2 (02:26:02):
That's a fact. That's a fact, gotcha, got ja. But
I wandered, brother, Yeah, and verse yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:26:11):
Verse twenty two say he's the son he said God,
my beloved son. And verse twenty three it says the.

Speaker 3 (02:26:18):
Son of Joseph.

Speaker 2 (02:26:20):
He was both the son of Joseph and the son
of God. All right, hold on, hold.

Speaker 4 (02:26:28):
On, Billy, hold on, hold on, but Ronald, Brother, Ronald,
is that considered adding what he just did?

Speaker 2 (02:26:38):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:26:38):
No, Brother, No, I don't think so. Nope, that ain't
considered being adding. Okay, gotcha.

Speaker 4 (02:26:49):
But when I go to the book of Matthew. All right,
y'all are a trip man.

Speaker 1 (02:27:01):
If I go through a book of Vesue and after
the fact that she's found with child and and uh,
the angel visited Joseph in the dream and told him
that the child is the savior, and don't be scared

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to take him as his wife.

Speaker 4 (02:27:23):
He all right.

Speaker 2 (02:27:24):
Then Joseph, being raised from sleep, did as the.

Speaker 1 (02:27:27):
Angel the Lord had bidden him and took unto him
his wife. That's not considered sex to y'all, especially once
you learn what uh taken as a wife and there's
a marriage ceremony. Are y'all even thinking.

Speaker 2 (02:27:46):
About a man ceremony?

Speaker 3 (02:27:48):
But she was already. She was already, she was already
pregnant of all agosts before they got understand But this question,
he was already from on, he was already prayed God,
she was. You're totally correct. But the question is, can
we show that he even in any time, laid with Mary.

Speaker 2 (02:28:14):
Isn't that the quest?

Speaker 4 (02:28:15):
Your good question? Let let me let me let me
hit you with the answer on boat and Luke, I'm
gonna give you the answer, and Luke and and Matthew
and Matthew. It turned around and verse twenty four, Joseph
raised from the sleep as the Angel of the Uh.
From the sleep, did as the Angel of the Lord
bidding him, and took unto him Mary his wife, and

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knew her not till she had In other words, he
didn't have sex with her until she had.

Speaker 3 (02:28:49):
Born.

Speaker 4 (02:28:50):
They did not laid together no more.

Speaker 2 (02:28:53):
After that.

Speaker 4 (02:28:54):
Let's let's go over here and over here, and what
you call it? Said that how the Holy spirit gonna
overshadow and the holy thing that she was gonna have,
I'm gonna be the son of God. Mary said, very down.
In Luke thirty eight, it said, uh, and Mary said, behold,
I handmade another lord, being unto me, are carding to

(02:29:16):
thy word? And the angel, the angel was there departed
from her. Okay, where is Joseph at in this picture?
Where is Joseph at in this picture? You don't see
Joseph having And if she conceived of the holy ghost,
and if that child was the holy ghost, why would

(02:29:38):
it say that child is Joseph child?

Speaker 1 (02:29:42):
Okay, God, oh God, I'm gonnam you my brother. Okay,
now it's it's he's okay, yeah, yeah, he's gonna come
with it. Y'all get prepared.

Speaker 2 (02:29:57):
Let him loose man, let them af there go. Now. First,
first off, let's go and see. This is why I
say the brother is deceptive, because we've talked about this already,
and let's go. Let's go. Matter of fact, I want

(02:30:17):
you to read a verse for me. Brother, Uh can read?
I think it's Proverbs three and five? Is that right,
my goodness? Because because I need this brother to hear this.

Speaker 4 (02:30:31):
Lord with all the hard and lean out to your
own understandably in all that ways, acknowledge him, and he
shall direct iPad Right.

Speaker 2 (02:30:40):
So when you add and say. Some of the things
you say you be added to the scripture. You leaning
to your own understanding. So let me give you a
little of understanding. Brother, And I gave this understanding to
you the other day. But you're just gonna lean to
your own understanding and just negate what words mean. So
let's go. Let's go to Let's go to First off,

(02:31:06):
let's go to verse uh uh, let's go to I
think it was that in let's see. Okay, right there, Now,
this is the verse you talk. Okay, it says verse eighteen.
I'm gonna deal with that. It says, now the birth
of Jesus Christ was on this wise when as his

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mother Mary was expoused to Joseph. Now, what's the law
on if a man, if somebody have sex with a
woman that's already a spoused Since you want to run
to the law and say that the Holy Ghost and David,
they brothers, what's the law on that? Brother? Do you know?

Speaker 4 (02:31:48):
Okay, don't as the lawyer, can I'll tell you right
go ahead, wait, listen, running man, hear me out do
the running in twenty two and started her twenty two.
Anytime a man is married to a woman and someone

(02:32:11):
else on the outside have sex with her, then God
deal with that through death. If a wall was engaged,
hold on, just hear me out, because you talking about
the marriage and the gage God marriage and the gate
hold on marriage and engagement is the same thing.

Speaker 2 (02:32:29):
With God, of course, and the and the proof and
to prove that you can go.

Speaker 4 (02:32:34):
Do you want him in twenty two?

Speaker 2 (02:32:37):
Go ahead, huh, I'm gonna be here.

Speaker 4 (02:32:40):
I'm gonna shoke you. I'm finna show you.

Speaker 1 (02:32:42):
I'm gonna show you what you told the audience.

Speaker 2 (02:32:45):
And that's fine. The law say what it says, brother.
So my point is, if Mary was found with a child,
she Printon is already what would have happened to listen,
would have happened to her?

Speaker 3 (02:32:58):
That's under that.

Speaker 2 (02:33:03):
Listen, we want to die now, you want to run
and use the law and makes the Holy expirit his brother.
That's number one.

Speaker 3 (02:33:14):
Let me country with you.

Speaker 2 (02:33:16):
We'll go ahead, man.

Speaker 4 (02:33:19):
It says if a Danza that is a virgin benthrallwed,
that means that means engaged. And that's what it says. Listen, listen, listen,
b be thralled unto a husband. M what it means
by being be thralled unto a husband's already calling this

(02:33:41):
woman that's engaged, that man is her husband. Your word
means something before the ceremony even taking place. Your word
means something when you be thrall. That's just like you're
already married. And God turned and he dealt with it
in depth. Anytime someone that had on our side come

(02:34:01):
into that and into that unit. If a man listen,
if a man and a woman neither one of them
is married, neither one of them is engaged, and they
have sex, then they the man had to pay the
price and marry that woman. That's the laws that's in
do running man, that's where but that's your feel.

Speaker 2 (02:34:25):
Okay, that's time. But at the same time, what would
happen to that woman if she had sex with another
man and knowing that she betrothed to another man? And
what would happen to that man knowing that that woman
is betrothed and he have sex with Right, So if
that's the case, why they didn't kill Mary. But let's

(02:34:48):
let's let's let's go on from that.

Speaker 1 (02:34:50):
How is this diverse hold on you trying something against
something by pass?

Speaker 2 (02:35:00):
You can't do that. Let's keep going. Brother, Let know
you you're a hypocrite because you did it with the
Holy Ghost. Oh well, you're saying when David will sleep.
He died, so the Holy Spirit, you're gonna run to
the law. If he died, then you can go sleep
with his brother. So you see, you can leap See
that that's you, brother, that's you.

Speaker 4 (02:35:19):
That's you. You That right, that was pretty good, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (02:35:25):
Well it was not. It was horrible. You lied on
the Holy Spirit, and it's fine.

Speaker 4 (02:35:32):
That's the word of God.

Speaker 2 (02:35:33):
You know what I'm gonna read something. Hold on, it's
real quick, real quick, real quick. I just wanted to
say that you are dealing with a culture that deal
with multiple wives. So that script the word he's talking
about that that calling the man the husband already, it's

(02:35:53):
probably because he already had a wife. And it was
just talking about if he doesn't have enough other woman
and uh, between a damnsel and you know what I'm saying,
and him being he's already a husband, you see what
I'm saying, And so that's it's still you know what
I'm saying. Hold On, brother Michael, just forget all that.

(02:36:16):
Don't don't be cause he we you're giving it too
much ammunition. So so so, brother, hey, hey, hey, hey,
hey hey, let's go back to this verse because I
want to bring something out in verse eighteen and my
birth Matthew one in eighteen.

Speaker 4 (02:36:35):
He said, let me see how you're gonna come out
of this that.

Speaker 2 (02:36:38):
Matthew one in eighteen. It says now the birth Okay,
it says now the birth of Jesus Christ. Yeahwa Shi.
Marcia was on this wise when as his mother Mary
was espoused to Joseph before they came together. Right there,

(02:37:00):
you said, even after I show you what this means,
you and you're gonna get on this radio station and
try to deceive the people. You said that this means
before they came and had sex. Now I'm gonna read it.
I'm gonna read it.

Speaker 1 (02:37:14):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:37:14):
You gotta concord in this, brother. You got a concording.
They might not have a recording. So you don't mind, brother,
do you? Is your concordians near you? I'm gonna you
read your compardon is near you? Brother.

Speaker 4 (02:37:30):
Brother, I'm just asking a question, that came together? What're
gonna look up into that? What word is you're gonna
look up into.

Speaker 2 (02:37:39):
That came together?

Speaker 4 (02:37:43):
You came to look up. You can't even look up
the word came together?

Speaker 2 (02:37:47):
Brother, Brother, you can have a concordion, brother, you ain't
gonna have what brother, the word that you had, brother,
the word that you even Greek means came together. It's

(02:38:08):
one word.

Speaker 4 (02:38:11):
That ain't that ain't one.

Speaker 2 (02:38:13):
Word or the word came the word it would have.
It's your definition, but it's not. Well, have you not
rhyme that we'd no word in that job? And that brother,
brother heard that word came together right there? Right? What paid?
What paid?

Speaker 4 (02:38:31):
You can find it on?

Speaker 2 (02:38:33):
Brother? When brother hid?

Speaker 4 (02:38:36):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:38:36):
No, no, none, mind right in the brother, brother, brother,
go get your concording. Please pull out my colcord's right here.

Speaker 4 (02:38:46):
I ain't got no computers. I ain't gonna show me
where I'm fining it.

Speaker 2 (02:38:50):
Oh okay, okay, we and Matthew one verse eighteen and
that and that word right there is a G forty nine?

Speaker 4 (02:38:59):
Oh no, no, no, what word?

Speaker 2 (02:39:02):
What word is g? Huh?

Speaker 4 (02:39:07):
What word is G? What word are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (02:39:11):
Together? Is a jew? Cain? You cannot find together in the.

Speaker 3 (02:39:21):
Com down?

Speaker 2 (02:39:22):
Calm down the claim you can do it if he
told you where to do it?

Speaker 4 (02:39:30):
Yes, how you half no, no, no, half is telling
you over there where it's talking about yeah, it's talking
about being intimate on that je whatever number he calling,
but that he did not look that word up. You can't.
You cannot find that. You cannot find the word came

(02:39:52):
all together in this concordance because together.

Speaker 2 (02:39:57):
Brother, bring me it's a G brother. Stop, it's a
G forty nine o five. What do you mean? And
then I'm gonna read it.

Speaker 4 (02:40:11):
Why did you find the words together?

Speaker 2 (02:40:14):
Brother? Brother? Brother? Brother? In verse eighteen, in verse eighteen,
when it says before they came together, right there, it's
a G forty nine oh five brothers not brother brother. Okay,
so I ain't gonna go, hey, I know what G

(02:40:35):
that number is, but it happened, stay out line that brother.

Speaker 4 (02:40:40):
Gonna look up that word. You can't look up the
word in that concordance. You can't look up the word came,
and you can't look up the word together.

Speaker 2 (02:40:49):
You're just going over to that. I'm gonna look it
up right here. It's a it's a it's a no.

Speaker 4 (02:41:03):
Now he's telling you the number to go and look
what he wants you to look up. But you can't
briand the word came together and no, brother, brother, Brother, brother.

Speaker 2 (02:41:13):
I am looking at it. What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (02:41:16):
You're going to open hey.

Speaker 2 (02:41:20):
Bible?

Speaker 4 (02:41:22):
Uh? And says the strongs Greek for forty nine h
five the sooner konan mama, all right, and Greek means
to come together, I come or go with a company.
I come together a symbol strong exosive according to a

(02:41:42):
company assembly from son of Ekerman or whatever hold on,
to come together to a symbol to conjungle coaportation, to
go to the park, or come with one to accompany one.

Speaker 2 (02:41:59):
All right, Uh, brother, Billy, let me tell you one thing, brother,
I don't lie like you, Brother Billy, I'm not a deceiver.
We're here for the truth. We ain't here for a
popularity contest. We not here to see who knows more
than who. We ain't here for all that. We're here
for the truth. That's what we're here for.

Speaker 1 (02:42:21):
A brother, we don't we don't want what I said
at first, Billy, are we com.

Speaker 2 (02:42:28):
Oh? Are you are you considering what's being said? No? No,
because they mind made up already here Christ out of
his own mouth gonna be disrespectful before the Bible then
acknowledge God as being his father. He said he he

(02:42:51):
from the seed of David. That's disrespectful. That's disrespectful. You
mean to tell me he gonna choose the step father
of his biological father. That's this. As matter of fact,
the angel the Angels himself came and called Joseph the
seed of David. Now why would God Christ have the

(02:43:17):
angel that teach the churches that he's from the sea
of David. Why would Christ do that? That was the
best time to say that he's from the seeds of
the Holy Spirit. So we all know the truth? Why
I got a question the ass the biological air to.

Speaker 4 (02:43:36):
The throne of David.

Speaker 2 (02:43:39):
I mean literally.

Speaker 4 (02:43:42):
That that's the.

Speaker 1 (02:43:47):
But do y'all see reading the scriptures that he is
literally biologically to make that claim to be gen.

Speaker 2 (02:43:59):
Yeah? I mean, I mean, is he really a soul
air to it?

Speaker 4 (02:44:05):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:44:08):
I mean, are y'all saying that he's in service in there?

Speaker 3 (02:44:11):
As you know?

Speaker 2 (02:44:13):
I'm so sary because the brother read the scripture about
God and do all things? So can God? Mate? Can
God put his spirit in somebody? Can God do that?
Can God put his spirit? Is he gonna do that
to the children of Israel in the New Covenant put

(02:44:36):
his spirit in our inner parts?

Speaker 1 (02:44:38):
Is God gonna do that.

Speaker 2 (02:44:44):
To replace what gets me here? Here? It is we
can see God doing Israel the exact same way, putting
that spirit in us. Where we just gonna know the baluble.
Ain't nobody gonna have to tell us what these lin means? Nothing?
Nobody talkt Christ.

Speaker 3 (02:45:03):
Okay, let me let me say something. Uh right now,
right now, we are we don't have we don't have
that spirit where.

Speaker 1 (02:45:13):
We can't say exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:45:15):
I agree with you. Brother, Let's agree.

Speaker 3 (02:45:17):
Then have this thought because we still have this on
their heart.

Speaker 2 (02:45:20):
Be right, I agree.

Speaker 3 (02:45:22):
So that's why I said. So that's why I said
that we still do a glass darkly. We can't we
can't see the whole picture when it comes to property.

Speaker 2 (02:45:30):
So that amaze that.

Speaker 3 (02:45:33):
That means that that means that we are we don't
have our knowledge right.

Speaker 2 (02:45:37):
So so let's see. Let's let's see if we can
get this knowledge. Let's see we can grasp this here.
Let's go to Christ read Revelations twenty two sixteen. Again. Brother,
let's see if we can grasp this. Because he said
He's gonna send a strong delusion. Well, we believe alive.
We've been believing in Christianity all our life. Read that,

(02:45:59):
because because because we read that, Brother, Revelations twenty two
and sixteen. This Christ, well, he's gonna tell the angels
a lie, just like God said, I can't lie. I
can't lie to David. That's what he said. I can't
lie to David. After he has sworn that Christ is
gonna come from his lorans, what are we to do
with that. I'm gonna tell you that this is not

(02:46:23):
he saw. We talked about I'm gonna save you my birthright,
but i'most still try to go get it. God, ain't
he He's not won a lie. Read that, brother, read that.
Read that. See if y'all can grasp this, then says,
see if the spirit working with you read that, Brother, Michael,
Revelations twenty two, the last chapter, almost at the very

(02:46:45):
end of this book, read that, in verse sixteen, please
Jesus have sent my angel to testify onto you these
things in the churches. I am the root and the
offspring David and the bright and morning Star. Now why
would Christ send an angel to testify these things to

(02:47:10):
us that he's the offspring? Of David. If he's the
offspring of the Holy Spirit, that's very disrespectful, very disrespectful.
That's blasphemy. And not only that, this ain't but five
more verses after this, and then then mentioned the Holy
Spirit being Christ Father. So I don't know what to say.

(02:47:33):
I don't know what to do with it. This is
Christ out his own mouth acknowledging David as his seedy,
fleshley father, meaning he comes from David's bloodline. That sees,
that's why we read when I was one eighteen from
at the beginning. That's how the house is established through
the fathers. That's how I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:47:56):
It is what it is.

Speaker 2 (02:47:57):
But I can understand that God himself put his spirit.
They ain't talking about what they talking about in the
way that they in the manner that they talking about it.
He put his spirit in Christ the word made flesh,
that's real easy, and used the word made right. And

(02:48:20):
not only that. And now check this out. You remember
earlier in Hebrews they said he's gonna be made unto
his brother in every way. What does that mean? He
said He's gonna come from flesh and blood and everything.
How do you how is a human a regular human being.
How's he made?

Speaker 1 (02:48:43):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:48:43):
He's made, he made his and his daddy. That's nature.
Christ was made unto the brothers in every way, in
all things.

Speaker 4 (02:49:00):
Let's something in the background. Somebody got something in the
background or the TV or right right?

Speaker 2 (02:49:08):
My question, brother, when it says that he was made
unto his brother in all things and the prophecy and dude,
the running in eighteen he's gonna be raised up amongst
his brother if what does that mean? He's made unto
his brothers in all things? What does that mean? Can
somebody explain that, I know, brother Michael can, but can

(02:49:31):
y'all explain that he was made unto his brothers in
every thing or all things? That's what it said.

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