The US Has Its Own Stonehenge — And It’s Older Than You Think - Warrior of Truth

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Warrior of Truth. I am your host, Kelly Dillon,
and this week we're diving into an ancient enigma right
here in the United States, America's Stone Henge. What if
I told you that you don't need to travel overseas
to witness incredible ancient structures that history isn't just found

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in the Pyramids of Egypt or the stone circles of
the British Isles, but scattered across the east coast of
the US. Nestled in the woods of Salem, New Hampshire,
America's Stonehenge is a four thousand year old site filled
with mysterious stone chambers, intricate walls, and ceremonial meeting places.

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Was it built by Native Americans, an ancient European civilization,
or someone else entirely? The answer remains unknown. Now to
give you some historical context, next the Pyramids in Egypt,
they're about forty five hundred years old, and Stonehenge in England,

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one of the world's most famous ancient sites, was built
in phases over a period of about fifteen hundred years,
and the first structures at Stonehenge date back five thousand years.
While the iconic Stone Circle was erected between twenty six
hundred BC and twenty four hundred BC. Yet here in

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the US we have our own ancient marvels that remain
largely overlooked. Remember America's Stonehenge built about four thousand years ago,
so the same time period as Stonehenge and the Pyramids
of Egypt. I have been covering the topic of ancient

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stone structures, and in particular the mysterious stone chambers found
throughout the Northeast, especially in Putnam County, New York. I've
been in viewing experts and individuals who've had profound spiritual
experiences at these sites. These ancient places, they hold deep
energy and significance, yet they rarely get the recognition and

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the protection that they deserve. Now joining me this week
is Dennis Stone. He is the owner and caretaker of
this sacred land. For generations, his family has protected and
preserved this remarkable site, uncovering new discoveries and working to
ensure its legacy for future generations. In this episode, we

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will explore the history, the spiritual significance, and the unanswered
questions surrounding America's Stonehenge. Will also discuss the importance of
honoring and studying these sites so they finally get the
recognition that they deserve. Get ready to challenge what you

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thought you knew about ancient America. Let's step into the
mystery with Dennis Stone. All right, Welcome Dennis. I am
so so excited to have you on Worrior of Truth.
We met it feels like ages ago. We were just saying,
but I was just at America's Stonehenge only back in December,

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just about two months ago. It feels like it was
like a year ago. But we met through a wonderful
mutual friend. I know he likes to remain very private,
but we'll just say his first name, Pete, a beautiful
mutual friend who recommended I come meet you check out
America's Stone Henge, and I'm so happy I did. It

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was such an incredible trip, inexperience, and it was just
so wonderful meeting you and your family. So thank you
so much for coming on the show. I am so
excited to share with my audience more about America's Stone Henge,
because I don't think many people realize we've got these
incredible ancient structures right here in the UBI, in particular

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along the East coast. You don't need to go overseas
necessarily to go visit an ancient stone site, ancient structures,
we have many of them right here in the US,
and America's Stonehenge is a big one, a really big one,
and a really powerful and special one in my humble opinion.
So thank you so much for coming on.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Oh it was so nice to see you again. And
thank you so much for having me on your show today.
Thank you, Kelly.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Absolutely. So let's start with a little history of America's
Stone Henge. So I read it's about and correct to
me if I'm wrong, it's about four thousand years old.
Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
That's the oppa, you're about four thousand years old. That's
the other state in the main what we call the
main site.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay, and I guess for context, the Pyramids of Egypt
they're allegedly about forty five hundred years old, and Stonehenge
over in England is about five thousand years old, So
it's in within the same we'll say, timeframe as those
ancient stone structures. Now, I think a good place to

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start because I'm always very curious about this. When I
first started learning about the ancient stone structures on the northeast.
It was a friend who kind of informed me we
have these incredible stone structures all along the east coast,
and I'm like, what do you mean. I've never heard
of this. So I'm very new to kind of learning
about the topic, and I've been diving quite deep. I've

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been doing a lot of interviews with different experts and
just people who've had profound spiritual experiences at many of
these ancient stone structures. And what I'm learning is it's
hard to carbon date stone. Now, how were you able
to figure out exactly how old America's stone Henge is?

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What is that process?

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Like?

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Can you kind of break it down in simple, easy
to understand Layman's terms for the audience.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, that's also a little bit difficult if you're not
familiar with the field of archaeology and some of the
dating techniques. But the four thousand year old date was
actually found by two different ways. One was astronomical and
the other one was by radio cabin fourteen. And again, yeah,
you can't date anything that's not organic, you know, like rock.
You can date that, but it's a different process, you know,

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potassiumgon or whatever they use. So you have to find
something organic like chocoal, and it has to been a
certain arrangement with a structure to be able to date
that structure when it was put up, you know. So
we have taken sixteen common dating since nineteen sixty seven
and the various states too, anywhere from historic like in
the eighteen hundred chocoal going back to actually seven four

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hundred years old, and that was of a fire pit
out near the North Stone, an astronomical alignment. You may
have seen that when you were walking around with Pete.
That was done back around about thirty about thirty two
years ago, and the date on that showed that human
activity took place on top of the hill from what
we understand about seventy four hundred years ago, seventy five
hundred years ago. That's Middle Archaic time period, and that's

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kind of a rare time period for finding anything. You
can go back earlier to the Paleo before ten thousand
years and they find out a fact. You get into
the Akaic, there seems to be a fewer and you
get back into the woodland, which is closer to us
when pottery came around and different types of tools, and
they find more evidence of that. So the four thousand
year old date was of chocoal found in a chamber
of ruins actually right next to the wall, and that

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was in nineteen seventy one. They had been digging on
that since sixty seven. Actually they found a piece of
pine root growing through the wall. The estimator of the
pine root was by mister Gudrun back in the nineteen
thirties from a stump that was decaying. They couldn't do
dendrochronology because it was so rotted, but they estimated that
stump was growing there back in the nineteen thirties, perhaps
back into the sixteen hundreds. It was just an estimate.

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So by nineteen sixty seven that was tested it was
showed to be sixteen ninety eight. Now, you don't build
a chamber of structure around the tree or tree roots,
they penetrate the walls. So that shows that there were
structure was sitting there at least in sixteen ninety and
it was a plus and minus fifty years, so as
early as sixteen forty up to seventeen thirty or something

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like that. So that's kind of pre colonial in the
Salem area. The stale in the Hampshire area, I mean
Plymouth is sixteen twenty of course, so that was interesting
and they were quite right back in the nineteen thirties.
That tree had been grown there for a long time.
In sixty nine they dug down and they got down
through some steril soil. They found some historic stuff on top.
They got into a sterile area and they're kind of disappointed.

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They went down several inches they found nothing. It's like
very disappointing ecologically. But then they got down into a
lower layer and they started finding little flakes of stone
and they disindicated somebody had been doing some napping or
some shaping of stone, so that's artificial that's been made activity.
And then they found hammerstones, rubbing stones, stone tools in
that layer along with chocoal, and that chocoal. Somebody had been,

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you know, doing something there. And that layer of chocoal
helps to date that layer. And that was three thousand
years old, and it was right against the stone wall
of the chamber and ruins. And in nineteen seventy one,
adjacent to that, they continued this excavation and they found
four thousand year old chocoal along with more stone tools.
But below all that the bedrock had been quirried by
the original builders, the wall had been built, and all

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this material came in later, so you have kind of
a relative date. So that was three different commendatings just
from that one area. Astronomically, we've been working on the
site since nineteen sixty five, and that's because of Gerald Hopkins,
who wrote Stonehenge to code it, and that book triggered
a CBS special called The Mystery of Stoneheench, which I've seen.
It's been a long time. I saw it in the seventies.

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I saw it back in sixty five. Also, it's probably
on YouTube now, but it was mostly about his book
showing Stonehench was an ancient calendar site, you know, built
by the ancients, going back as early as five thousand years.
As you mentioned, that triggered all these researchers at our
site to be interested in the stones that were standing
all around the site. These monoliths, which even good when
back in the nineteen thirties was aware of, they weren't

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part of his property. He owned about twenty acres of
one hundred and six acres we have today. A few
of them were on his property, but his concentration was
with that chain link fences that one acre where most
of the structures are and where of those cobbondaties were
just mentioned. Well, we did the started surveying the site
in nineteen seventy three through seventy seven, sent to all
that data down to the Hoved Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics

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in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and the spring of seventy eight we
get the results back when we had the gentleman's name
on it who did the analysis and everything. When he
had his report and he said, well, basically, if these
were used for astronomical alignments, due to the Earth's tilt,
and it's a very slow process. The Earth's axis is
tilting over forty one thousand year cycle, it's called the
Obliguty cycle, they would lurk about four about eighteen hundred

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BC plus and minus about two hundred years. And that
agreed with the eighteen hundred BC cobbondating from nineteen seventy one,
seven years earlier, so the astronomy seems to work around
four thousand years. The cobbondatings on the main site, that
one acre area is where we get the oldest date.
The seventy four hundred year old date was a fire
pit but it didn't date any stone features. It looks

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like there was a fire pitch. Somebody was camping up
there well before the structures were built. But it does
show again human activities. People go who is here four
thousand years ago? In New Hamphire. We have evidence now
thirteen thousand year old Native American going on the west
side of New Hampshire near the Connecticut River, just on
the other side of Vermonts on the other side of
that thirteen thousand years And you think then during the

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glacial period, who could exist up here? And yet they
did so back going towards US now going you know,
thousands years towards US. I think the site's about four
thousand years because of those dates, both astronomical and cambindating,
and we recently did optically stimulated them and in essence stating.
One of them was on the tail of a twenty
five and fifty foot serpent, and that was done in

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twenty twenty by doctor Feathers University.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
A newer modality to help the structures.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, I think in the eighties University of Boxford got
involved with it. The USGS and Dender has been doing
it for a long time. The University of Washington doctor Feathers.
He's been doing it since around nineteen ninety, late eighties anyway,
and he's getting ready to retire. Brook Caaven National Laboratory
does it. In fact, two of their physicists came up
the day that he visited us back in two thousand
or nine to eleven, two thousand of the day my

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granddaughter was being blond it was an emergency thing in
the hospital, and here's a group of twenty five people
from all over the country and I had to kind
of help them out and be with them, you know,
for to take the samples. And in the meantime, I'm
wondering how my daughter in law, my future granddaughter is
going to go. It was a big day. Yeah, nine

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to eleven. Yeah. Well, they took four samples to rock
and two sediment samples. And it is a light test.
All TASiS are when the light or rocks, so the
lighter day last. So if you and I built the
chamber and we in on the roof, let's say the
soil very slowly accumulates or next to the structure, or
somebody shoveled it up there, we could go in there
and take a sample. It has to be done in

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the dock room environment. We send it out. They do
all this process. It takes two years to do it
because one year they have to wait for a deucimmeters.
They put a little decimeter in the hole or where
the rock came from or where the dirt came from,
and that measures radioactivity I believe, and again in Layman's term,
that's my understanding of it. And they come back and
take them. And in twenty twenty one they came back
and I was with them. We extracted all the disciminers.

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We sent them out to the University of Washington. They
used that to calibrate I understand the dates. So it's
a light test and it's been around since the eighties.
It's one thousand dollars per sample, so it's not too
too cheap, you know, nothing is. And the tail of
that that wall of that twenty five hundred foot serpent is
actually a beautiful hump and then it goes ninety degrees

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to a pointed tail. And they got the sample right
where the hump is in front of the watchhouse at
first structure that Pete probably took you to that has
an illumination inside of it. And that day came back
and it showed that the wall was sitting there in
fourteen hundred eighty, So we're now talking about some crazy
farmer in the seventeen eighteen, nineteen hundred that wall was
sitting there, but the dirt came in after the wall built,

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So how long before that, we just don't know. It's
a minimum date. And the roof of the Oracle chamber too,
there was structures there. It had over two feet of
dirt on top of it. Some of it could have
been because people shoveled some dirt up there, but a
lot of it's just normal wind blown particles. Vegetation decay
about one hundred and twenty five years for an inch
is the average in New England, and we had twenty
four inches of dirt. We thought it was only this much.

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I had to go up there and test it with
a probe before they came. A month before they came
to find out areas we could test, and they said
twenty four inches should be adequate for this test, and
that core showed the structure was overly there in fifteen
fifty a d well. There's no Western Europeans coming into
this area until later in time, you know, and especially
in Salem. You know, it wasn't until I think the
early seventeen late sixteen hundreds, early seventeen hundreds, and so

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we're talking fifteen fifty a d that that chamber had
already been sitting there. And doctor Feathers says, of course,
the chamber was there first. The dirt came in later,
and how much later, much earlier than that, it was
a structure built. So we've used different techniques, going to
give you a little bit of background, and yeah, you know,
future techniques come up, and there are different techniques too.
We tried liking tests back in the nineteen sixty three,

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actually likens because if you split a stone open, the
like and will stack grow. So if we artificially break
a stone open and over years the lichens and Marster
stack growing on that. But what happened in sixty three
We sent it and they said this is the wrong
type of lichen, you know, they said this will not work.
But we did try that as early as sixty years ago,
you know. So we try to use science where we can,

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you know, and you do you.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Have clearly, yeah, many different modalities and everything's checking out.
Everything's in sync. Obviously, you know I can read energy.
When I was there, I said, oh, absolutely, without a
shadow of a doubt. I know it is an ancient site,
a very special ancient site. But obviously it's always nice
to get we'll say that physical tangible evidence, which you have,

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and you've been working at it for a few decades.
It sounds like so I think obviously it's it's very valid.
It's a valid assessment to say this is indeed just
as old as the Pyramids of Egypt, as Stonehenge in England,
right here in the US. So I know, I know
this has been in your family for quite a few decades,

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but your family wasn't the initial owner of the land.
Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Oh that's correct?

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So who first found it the site
and what was on the site when they bought this land?
Which part of the structures? Because I know you've done
excavating over the past few decades, you've been covered more
more of these stone structures, and I know I told
you this privately. I know there's more. There's more you're

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gonna uncover. I can just I see it claravoyantly. So
so clearly there's more coming. But when the first owner
discovered this site. What was on there? Exactly? What did
they discover?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, it was part of Hebrew Massachusetts. And there's actually
a famous Native American called Chief past Conaway, and he
was beloved by his Native Americans. But also I think
the Europeans come in here also very much respected Passer Conaway.
He was a great Indian chief. I think he lived
to be like one hundred and two, one hundred and twenty,
they're not sure. And he also is like almost almost

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seven feet tall verge. But he was a peacekeeper too.
But he also was in control of this land. And
he had two Native Americans and we have the names.
In fact, I can never pronounce them, but James, our manager,
pronounces them very nicely. So I got to commit him
to my memory. But sixteen seventy I think around sixteen
seventy two, I think it was roughly around that time
he gave his blessing. They actually sold the area of

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what is now Pot of Salem pot of in Havel,
Massachusetts Atkinson Pot of Hampstead. I think this whole community
was actually sold for three pounds and a couple of
shillings and it became part of the Havevil Peak of
Massachusetts and it kind of goes in and out of
different ownerships. But the Patty family gets involved with this

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in seventeen thirty four. That's pretty early. It's almost three
hundred years ago. The Patty family, they came over from England.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
They landed a Virginia.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
The gentleman named Richard came up to Salem, mass and
into Haveril. There's a whole story about him, but he
was a shoemaker. He ended up also operating a ferry
across the Merrimack River at one of our big rivers
in New England, right twelve six miles south of here.
He had a son named Richard and then another son
named Seth. And Seth is a guy that actually bought
part of this property in seventeen thirty fourth. Seventeen forty one,

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New Hampshire, mass finally settled in New Hampshire. Really wasn't
incorporated to seventeen eighty eight, but it's still called New Hampshire.
I guess it was a landgrant and they settled the
boundary dispute between Massachusetts and New Hampshire on the southeast
corner and at that point in seventeen forty one, we
were no longer in Massachusetts. We were part of New Hampshire,
part of the Salem district. And then Patty again, Seth

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bought another piece of property in seventeen forty four and
in seventeen fifty the sun we think actually Seth Junior
built a house that was sitting on top of the
site where you toured with Pete.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Oh there was a house there.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, there was a wooden house. And it's a little
vague on that area. You know, the family has it.
We know all the property age, but when the house
is built, a lot of that, a lot of it
back in those days. Some of those records are missing
or wasn't recorded. But so many people have dove into
the Patty family and they were like by the time
Jonathan that would have been a It was Richard Peter

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Seth who bought part of the property, Seth Junion and
then Jonathan. And Jonathan's a guy. He was a fifth
generation shoemaker like his you know, grand power and Greek.
But he also was a land surveyor and he also
was a tax collector for three years around eighteen hundred.
He had a nine daughters and he had two sons
and he's been one that's been blamed for building the

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whole site. Well, it must have been Patty, that crazy
farmer up deal with the six husky sons. And it
turns out he had two sons. One died in Boston
at seventeen, three days shorter of his eighteenth birthday, and
he did have nine daughters. Whether they were husky or not,
we don't know, because there's a lot of work to
build one hundred and twenty acres of four. You got
to cory the slabs rounded one. Those are glacial left
by nature, but all the slab work and within the

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fifteen acres where the astronomical alignments are.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
David Stewart Smith, who was with us for forty years.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Doctor. He had a doctor, a couple of doctors, and
he had been in England for several years in Scotland
working on Megolithic sites in the seventies with his today
called English Heritage. He came back in seventy seven. He
was from Connecticut. He was surprised, like you were, to
find out that these stone ruins are all over the northeast.
Who was kind of stock. He's been over there for
seven years. He became a master of Stonemas and then

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he worked on his different degrees and he spent a
lot of time in Scotland. His grandfather did pretty well
for himself. He was actually in England doing he had
a beer company, had patents. So David was okay, he
didn't have to worry about, you know, funding himself too
much and what a nice guy. But he stayed busy
and he got involved with our site. He involved the

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sites all around New England and so you know, he
was just like shocked that these sites existed. You know,
but people said, well, Patty's probably built this because you know,
it's a crazy farmer. He had nothing better to do.
Can you imagine a guy with a family of eleven
with nothing better to build, and to build miles of
wallalls coryed the slabs, and David did say in eighty nine,
but he was with us for eleven years. Is over

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three hundred corried slabs just in the main fifteen acre
area including the main site. Outside that there are walls.
There are eight miles of walls outside of that that
also have slab work. And that is a process of
taking stones off the bedrock, actively removing them from the bedrock,
separating them and then actually a lot of them have
serrated edges where somebody was striking them with a hammer

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and little flakes and I mentioned flakes that were found
in that dig back in sixty nine and seventy one.
Those little flakes they sat with somebody actually shaping some
of the slabs. It's called dressing the stone or shaping
the stone, and it's percussion flaking stone to stone. That's
a stone age technology or in technique, you know, to
shape stones. Wow. Yeah, so Dave really he died in
twenty sixteen, but he was with us for almost forty

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years and they never did an inventory on the rest
of the property. We're talking about doing that in the future,
just to determine how much work went into Farmers try
to get rid of rocks. You know, they cleared the
fields of trees. That was one crop, and the next
crop is rocks that come out of the ground every
year from frost. Once you remove the trees, the environment
changes a little bit. You get a lot of frost

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action and you certainly don't want to hit a rock
with your plow. So they ended up in stone walls,
and the walls are great for boundaries, field clearings, and
also there were stock fencers, and there was about two
hundred and forty thousand miles of walls in New England,
the most of anywhere in the world.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
They say, it's incredible how many walls there are. All Yeah,
down here in New Jersey. I see so many of
them in upstate New York. Obviously we know the farmers.
Some of them were built by farmers, but do you
believe some of them can be you know, even older,
and maybe the ancients who built America's Stonehenge have been

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responsible for some of these stone walls on the northeast.
What are your thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, that's a great question, and that's going to be
the topic of my book coming up next to Actually,
Pete is going to do the forward in a book.
I'll do the preface, and I'm going to have my
son do the introduction. And Pete is a stone mason,
and I went to school Boulder, you know, we went
to school in New Hampshire, got his degree and everything,
has been a professional stone mason. So that's a great question. Yeah,

(23:25):
I think including that one that I mentioned that they
dated the tail of the Serpent wall, which is a wall.
It doesn't look like a farmer's walls. Farmer's walls are
usually fairly straight, with some exceptions, generally ninety dewree corners,
and they make, you know, they enclose big areas of
fields or you know, for growing crops or for animals.
These walls contain a lot of slabs. That's the first

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thing we noticed. The good One even knew that in
the thirties, because these walls have a lot of big slabs.
They're either stood on their side. They're either stacked up
or sometimes there stood up like a monolith and they,
you know, like im just like they aren't monolist. And
that was a little different than farmer's walls, where we
have a lot of rounded type field stones that are
just stacked on top of each other and sometimes shim,
you know, And there's a difference stare on these walls.

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They kind of turn, they twist, they bend. There's segments
of stone like walls that are only like twenty something
feet long, twenty seven feet my first serpent wall. They
don't go anywhere, they don't connect to anything, they don't
do anything, but they do have like a head a
body that tapes to a flat stone. That was my
first serpent wall in twenty sixteen, So there's a whole flavor. Yeah,
you'll will see doing all over the north s feet.

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And actually Pete was in school in Boulder. His roommate
was from my think Michigan, And when Pete started talking
about stone walls, the guy laughed he had never heard
in Michigan about a stone wall, which blows my mind.
Was I have a stone wall and you did too,
you know when New Jersey has.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Here on the east coast. Yeah, but elsewhere in the
States we don't have stone walls. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
You go further, you get a lot of bob wire
fences out there, you know, and you go out to
the west and so beautiful out they were just miles
and miles of range fences or whatever they call. They're
bob wire for their animals. But hen see a stone wall,
you know, go through Wyoming some Yeah, I'm sure there
are the Wyoming all that why the Four Corners area
there's no stone walls. It's like now, some Native Americans
did build some stone work out there in a May soverety.

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Some of its adobe, some of its stone, and that's amazing.
But anno England style wall, you don't in the Northeast,
I should really include New Jersey too. In New York
you will see those in this area. But if you
go to Florida, you go out the tech, you know,
you just don't see that kind of stone work. But
the Angine builders did the same thing, and that's a confusion.
I think some of the ancient walls may have been

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kind of modified into some of the colonial stone works.
We have to be careful about that too. But if
we are, if we can use OSL dating and you
need a certain level of dirt and you need about
one thousand dollars per SAMP to do each sample and
two years, you get to wait. Uh, they could actually
answer a lot of those questions scientifically say hey, that
well all's been sitting there only for two hundred years.

(25:53):
The only thing about that is a dirt may the
wall could have been there earlier and the dirt came
along later. But at least you'll have a minimum date.
So if you have a five hundred year old probably
not colonial or six hundred year old date or seven
hundred year old date. So the science is there, the
technologies there, just had to have the funding.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Maybe we just need the money, Okay, so we get
the money to do all the testing. Easier said than done,
of course, But the serpent wall, obviously there's not many
serpent walls. Are you aware of any other serpent walls
along the East coast or even overseas.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's a perfect question, yes to both. Maria my friend
I mentioned before the show, she has been sending me
pictures of serpent Well, we've been in England many times.
We never was aware of the last time we were there,
even our was before twenty sixteen, last time I went
to England. So after one of our podcasts and we talked,
I was just talking to today by messenger. She's spent

(26:45):
sending pitches of serpent walls from England. Scott Walters show
America on Earth did a show on serpents and they
showed one in Canada. He showed the Great Serpent Mound,
and I think at that point in twenty thirteen was
three years before we found off for a serpent wall.
He did one in Scotland. Okay, so the stone walls
do exist. But after we found our first couple in

(27:06):
twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen, I went to a meeting
down in Connecticut, uh Groden and there's a site called
gungei Womp there. It's the site second in size two hours.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
It's on my list to get to. I told you
when I did a little road trip with a friend
up up towards America, Stonehenge, and we went to some
sites in Massachusetts. Gunjy Womp is Connecticut technically right, that's Connecticut,
I believe. Yeah, we hit up a couple. We hit
up Acting and another one in Massachusetts. I can't think

(27:39):
of the name of it. Update and Acting. Yes, we
did act in Upton, America, Stonehenge, a couple spots in
Putnam County. Gungjywomp was on our list, but we didn't
get a chance. It was just you know, two little time.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
You'll enjoy that. It's real. There were and by the way,
that one there is an open on a daily basis.
I think it's by reservents. It's going to work a
few years ago, so I don't know they're actually I
just looked it up the other day and it's I
think you might hit the contact them first to make
sure that you can go there, and it might be
by a guided by a guided tour just because they

(28:13):
don't have the facilities we have with a visitor center restrooms,
you know, another rest that we have there in a
paper map and stuff like that, so there has to
be somebody there. But next door to that is a
downtown in north Stonington, Connecticut. And when we went to
that meeting, Malkham Starr from north Stonington. He's a actual
book writer and he writes for a Yankee magazine. He's

(28:35):
a freelance book writer, New England fishing villages photographer. His
book called Ceremonial Stonework, happened to come out the year
I found my first serpent, walls and windows, And when
we saw him speak, we were blown away. His whole
hour presentation was amazing. He's showing all these same kind
of structures in north Stonington that we have at our
site and we're aware of because we've been in this

(28:56):
since nineteen fifty five all over the Northeast, and we
never knew north Stonington had even one chamber.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
My dad might have.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
He was really you know, my dad was good about that. However,
there's eight thousand structures in that one town and out
of those eight thousand, one of them he classifies him
into twenty five categories. A category can be a carn
a chambered crime. It can be a serpent wall, a
window chamber. That there's four hundred serpent walls in that
one town from thirty feet up to three hundred feet Connecticut,

(29:25):
just in that one town.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
No, not really, and that one.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Time all Stonic did and they're from thirty feet up
in summer, no idea. Wow, you're blown away. And when
we watched that and then we picked up his book,
my wife and I we were just blown away by
this because we it kind of confirmed and validated what
we thought about our serpent walls. And by then that
was the year after I found my first one, we
probably knew of about five or six on our property

(29:50):
with a question are these really serparent walls? Are we?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Are we imagining this?

Speaker 2 (29:55):
You know? And a lot of people that visited us said,
I think you're on the right track. They seem to
have a head, a body, and a tail, and they're
so unline and some of them have the undulation like
you know, like either horizonally vertically. Macam Star was just yeah,
it was amazing. And he actually talks a little about
going into Rhde Island because Rhode Island has ones that

(30:17):
are more they twist a little more, whereas a lot
of the ones he has are kind of straight or linear.
You know, we have everything at our site. We have
the ones that are linear reculinear of ninety degree head,
body or tail. We have the ones that kind of
look like s shapes, and then we have others that
kind of loop around and they look like they're biting
the tail the or boris. I don't know if they're

(30:37):
or a boris. And now a lady spoke right after
Malcolm Star. She was from Denver with the two male
colleagues and he and I was aware she was going
to speak because I got the newsletter before we went
to the meeting. She did it by skype, and unfortunately
he couldn't talk to her in person. You could talk
to her in the big screen, but there are a
hundred in the audience, and you know how that goes.
You can't get your word. So, but what she showed

(30:58):
looked like mackham Star presentation. One hour earlier, they had Carns, chamber, Carns,
all these different stone patterns, including the letter D. Maco
Starr has big wall theories that look like the letter D.
We have one at our site. When I built my
diorama that when you walk into the building. I built
that in seventy seven in college, and I said, Gee,
isn't that wall look funny? It looks like the letter D.

(31:19):
So we have one. Nor Stonington has others, and out
in Denver she's showing her D shaped wall and then
she shows her serpent walls out there, and one of
them had the triangular head just like one of our
sixteen serpentine. My wife and I elbowed each other and
we're like, oh my gosh, it looks like a twin
to one of our serpent walls.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
This is in Denver, Colorado.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Correct, Yeah, it's actually below Nebraska, the flatlands. I think
she gave the county identification. She may have not given
the road or street address, because they do try to
protect these from vandalism. And also there's summer on private property.
You want people disrespecting people's property and that can lead
to vandalism, and you know that kind and all the
property are only going look, you know, it's our property,

(31:59):
people's respect, We're going to close it off. We don't.
And actually in New England some because of some of
that in the past, like in the sixties, and seventies,
some landowners got so perturbed that they ended up like
bulldozing the structure because there were sick of people coming
trespassing all hours. You kind of understand it's like private property.
Still what a group. My dad's died in sixty four,

(32:20):
that's still going as a New England antiquities resourch.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I know you're your dad. I can't believe he found
it nearer your father. That's really fun fact I think
to share with the audience. You're your father who obviously
the again America Stonehenge has been in your family for
quite a few decades.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Now.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
When did your dad form nearra and when did he
buy the property as well?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, so he plumbed here in sixty four and it
was in our basement. And they just had their sixty
at the anniversary and they had it a Manchester at
a hotel and they had the banquet at a restaurant
up there, a separate restaurant, and that was a Saturday.
On Friday, they did field trips and we were one
of the field trips and I gave him my VIP

(33:03):
tour a little presentation in the theater. I split that
with my manager. I talked about some of the past
and James talked about some of the new technologies, the
OSL light, you know, the DNA that we did on
some bones and stuff like that, and then we took
them on the tour and on Saturday we went to
the banquet. They invited me for the banquet. So yeah,
So they had the sixtieth anniversary last fall. The next

(33:26):
meeting is going to be down your way. It's gonna
be Yeah, I just saw the it's gonna be gonna
have to go Fishkill, New York. A beautiful. I mean,
it's probably a little distance from you, but it's certainly
close to the New Hampshire.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Two hours but yeah, much close to the New Hampshire
about two hours. Yeah, I'm in North Jersey. You I'm
close to New York City, so about yeah, probably about
two hours to fish Kill, which isn't terrible. That's not bad.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, it's not too bad. Yeah, So that would be
the I think that's in May. I think I just
got the notification. So my dad got involved with that,
and that's because a group called the Early Sites Foundation
started in fifty four and ranted sixty four was dissolved
in sixty four. They had two professors from Dotmouth College.
They had the guy that owned our property, Malcolm Pearson.
My dad ended up buying the site from all these

(34:12):
different founders in this group, but for some reason, by
the late sixties, I know a couple of them had
passed away. Doctor Hugh Morrison from Dottmouth College had passed away.
I think Belgemer stephis and the great Podoc explorer. In fact,
the center is named after him. I believe in Dotmouth
University today he was well known. He passed away, and
I think it was a small group and my dad
had a bad accident in sixty three, almost died and

(34:35):
I was recuperating for months. I think he was thinking
at that time, along with my uncle Oz, that something's needed.
If the Early Sites Foundation is dissolving, we need to
have something there to replace this, a research group. And
so that's why I fomed Nara in sixty four.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
It was in the spring.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
It was actually I think incorporated in New Hampshire on
June of sixty four and they started having the first
meetings in the fall. Official meetings had meetings before that
in the fall of sixty four, and I had the
photographs of all the original members sitting in our basement
on bunk beds and chairs. My mom actually came down
with coffee hours ten and I probably was down there
and making trouble because I remember seeing all sitting around there,

(35:13):
and I'd probably like go back upstairs, you know. Yeah,
but I'm left yet everybody else has gone today. My
sister would have been there. She passed away over ten
years ago from cancer. So I'm the only one left.
I think from the originals.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
It may be.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Somebody in that group did, like it was a Mary
Lamb at Dick Green, you know, Lionel Gerard, all these
original members. But my dad actually heard of this on
WBC radio, just like we're doing now. Is a talk
show now, Yeah, that's one of the biggest stations. It's
a TV station and radio station. It's one of the
biggest in New England. And it was a Friday night
at seven point thirty. He's listening to a show called

(35:47):
Yankee Irons. And the gentleman's name is Alton Hall Blackington
from Maine. But if he must have traveled down the
Massachusetts to the studio and he did this a Friday
night show and it was all about our site, and
it was in the summer of fifty five, and my
dad was an AT and T Bell Labs engineer, and
he had been in the Coast Gut, Canada, right near
with the Vikings Lonzo Meadow site was found.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Did he work at Bell Labs in New Jersey because
Bell Labs headquarters here in.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Jersey murray Hill.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Oh, yes, yes, yeah, I was just over there honestly
a week ago. He was just driving by.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, my dad. He traveled occasionally. He's been to murray Hill.
He also went down to Texas, the Dallas to one
of the facilities, I guess, So he traveled a little bit,
but mostly was at Andover, Massachusetts is a big, huge facility,
had like twenty thousand people. So it was West Electric
and then the Bell Labs and back and he worked

(36:39):
in both. He always loved that laboratories because that and
I think on murray Hill he actually found the background
radiation and I believe for the universe where they got.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
They did so many incredible things right here in New Jersey.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
That yeah, no one else. So my dad, yeah, he was,
and he was an engineer for the Coast Guy too.
He worked at a LRAND station up in Canada right
here where the Vikings landed. But he was here in
the early fifties. It wasn't until sixty, so he was
too early to know that the Viking settlement actually existed.
You were there last two years ago. He drove up
to Newfoundland and there's the Viking settlement and you can

(37:15):
look across that Labrador, you know, across the bay. It's
like my dad was over there. We're going to go
visit that side sometime. We just didn't have time. So
it is always interested in history and all of that.
So I know he would have visited the Viking site
back in fifty one, fifty two, fifty three.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
When he was up in that and then he got.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
On with AT and T and then he heard about
us on the radio and then he opened it up
in fifty eight after three years of negotiating, and he
released the property except with the building sit. He actually
bought that property with the building sits, the pockmont, the
driveway we had, he had the well put in there
and everything, and he actually dows for the whelp.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Will he been not.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
He will say he is more into the science, but
he said, what the heck, I'll try it.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
It's interestingly he open and spiritual somewhat if he was
using dowsing rods. Absolutely who owned the property before he
purchased it And was it opened to the public.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
No, it was never open to the public. But my
dad bought it from Malcolm Pearson and Malcolm Pearson's a
gentleman that had inherited it from William Goodwin. And Malcolm
Pearson's family is the one that owned the up and
chamber one hundred years ago. Malcolm was six seventeen years old.
The family bought the house like a little small farm

(38:29):
and the gentleman said to Malcolm, young man, there's a
solo hole or something like that all back. And when
Malcolm saw it, wasn't a seller hole or a root cell.
That was this beautiful up in chamber that you visited
with Pete. And that was in their family until nineteen seventy.
So during nineteen fifty when Malcolm inherited it from William Goodwin,

(38:50):
the family had both our site in the uppon chamber.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
I didn't know that. Fascinating, isn't that cool?

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, it's a little history on that. And Malcolm lived
to be one hundred years old. He died around twenty eleven,
about a year and a half after my dad passed away,
but he remained interested in this his whole life and
he's one of the founders of the Early Sites Foundation
from fifty four to sixty at four.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
What is that, the Early Sites Foundation.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
I don't think I've heard of them. Yeah, you probably
wouldn't have, but we have all the records.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
And actually.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
The reason it was farmed is because of our site.
But the Acting Chamber, the Hoppington Chamber, the Upton Chamber
of course, and about fifteen chambers that were known back
in the thirties and early in the forties going into
the fifties and the numbers kept increasing. Was formed to
do research just like NIRA on these sites. And I
mentioned Hugh Morrison from Domus was a member that in Franklynn,

(39:43):
president of the Connecticut Archeological Society, and it was a
bunch of other members too, including a guy named Beardsley
and I forget his first name, but in nineteen sixty
four the Early Sites helped fund him and his son,
I think his name was Tony, to go up to
Blonzo Meadow work with BRIDGETA. Wallace on that site and
they already identified it as a Viking site, but they

(40:04):
didn't have I think one hundred percent proof. They were
pretty sure it was it was Tony the son. And
remember these Early Site Foundation members, Young Tony actually found
the world a stone world and it was it was
proven to be a Viking world for spinning wool or
you know, to make cloth or make you on I guess,
and that was he identified that. I bought the book

(40:26):
up there two years ago, Bridgeta Wallas's book. I think
she's still alive. She's been to our site before and
in it, I'm like, she's not going to mention the
Early Sites Foundation. Who gets credit is not only her
in the National Geographic uh, but the husband and wife
team Helger and Anna Instadt, who should get credit. They
all should get credit, but I'm thinking they're not going
to mention the Early Sites Foundation. They're involved with these

(40:47):
New England sites. It's a small group and there it
is is Tony Beardsley and it mentions his dad coming
up there and he got credit for finding that thing.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
They needed to prove the Viking.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
So the Early Sites Foundation has a you know kind
of stuff. But our site and all the sites that
were known at the time was because you know, the
group was formed to research, study, investigate, try to identify
who built these sites, maybe protect them if possible. And
then Nearer took off in sixty four. So when they
dissolved after ten years, Nearer kind of took off and
we'd been going for sixty years. So Malcolm inherited the

(41:21):
site from William Goodwin of Hartford, and Goodwin was an
amazing guy. If you watch Oak Island last week, and
I haven't watched it for years, I was notified from
her friend in Texas, who's I mean in France? Who
actually is the one that opened up our alignments back
in sixty five? She became a nuclear engineer. He worked
on the USS nimics. He put the two reactors on there.
That thing's still cruz and that's the tic TAC. David Fraber,

(41:44):
you know aircraft carrier with all the UFO stuff, He's
the one that was putting the reactors on there in
sixty nine and seventy. And at the end of his
career about a little over ten years ago, he was
in he was over in Osccer, Japan, working in nuclear.
He worked in France, he worked in South Africa, he
worked in New and then up there where the Viking
site is, and that he was all over the world.
He ended up in Osaka, and as he was ready

(42:05):
to head back to Charlotte to retire around twenty eleven
or whatever it was, Westinghouse they said, Fukushima just went off.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
We're going to move you to Tokyo. And he was
a five.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Member team to work in the Fukashimer disaster and then
he retired. He told me the other day, Dennis Hey
and Oak Island season twelve, episode twelve, good one's on
it and that's our good one. I'm like, that's no way.
He was good one. Lived all over the country. He
was a first cousin of JP Morgan. And there's an
antique collection down at the Wadsworth anathem that's still there today.

(42:38):
It's early American antique collection. He was an expert in that,
and apparently Morgan supported that whole thing. Morgan died in
thirteen's and Goodwin died in nineteen fifty, their first cousins.
You know, So anyway, let's see so good one, so
good one. Yeah, he lived the whole country. He was
involved in insurance. His family was involved with Phoenix. They
owned Phoenix and at you know, insurance. So yeah, okay,

(43:02):
But when he got older, he went it in Jamaica
because of his health.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
He wrote about Columbus, The Lure of Gold.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
He wrote another book about the down there, about Spanish gold.
He wrote The Ruins of Great Ireland and New England
in forty six. That was his last book, and he
was very ill at that time. It was mostly about
our site, but he included Raymond and Hampshire AND's up
in Chamber and other structures. Act in that you visited
the Hoppington Chamber where the Boston Marathon starts right and there.
So his book is really interesting. I just reread it

(43:29):
before I finished my book again because I read it
back when I was a kid, you know. And he
wrote another book called The Truth about Leif Erickson too,
and he thought that Leif Erikson came into Portsmouth, New
Hampshire Harbor. It's one of those theories, you know. So
Goodwen lived in Columbus, Ohio at the end of his career.
For fifteen years. He would go out and map some
of the Ohio had maybe one ten thousand mounds. Originally

(43:53):
they think today about ninety percent of gone. We just
did a toward the Servant Mount and a lot of
the mounds out there, about ten percent of left today,
but one hundred and something years ago there were more
of them. He would spend his I'm not sure what
his wife thought of this, but his weekends he would
go off and actually locate them, put him on actually
record him, locate the road they were on. And he
gave all this data to the Highway Department. That's still

(44:15):
in their archives. He did fifteen years of that, moved
back to Hartford, Connecticut, and then he in thirty one
he retired, and then he heard about our site in
thirty six and it was from a friend back on
the West coast where he lived in Seattle for a while,
and he's a famous guy who was a runologist.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
He was at the Viking Writings and inscriptions.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
He goes, you got some structures back in the East
coast where you are. You had to check these out.
Eventually you got a hold of Malcolm and other gentleman.
He saw the Upton Chamber, saw the Hoppington Chamber, saw
the Acting chamber, and this really lit his fire. And
Malcolm goes, by the way, there's a newspaper article about
a North sale New Hampshire site and well we got
to go there and within two weeks they all got
together in thirty six and there were no highways back then.

(44:55):
There were just you know, like secondary roads we have today.
They made their way up here to New Hampshire. Malcolm
came out of Upton and he was living in Sutton Massets,
one of the towns down there at the time, not
with his family. He had grown up and married and
Goodwin came out of Hybrid and when Goodwin's rosite he
was totally blown away. He ended up purchasing the site
from a Patty relative named Fred Dustin. It stayed in

(45:17):
the Patty family except for twenty eight years from thirty
four up to nineteen thirty six, and there was a
twenty eight year where Nathaniel H. Paul, a local lumberman,
bought the property and he did the forest free thing
with lumber and everything had a sawmill.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
So there's a lot of history to the site.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
So you know, we're going back even into the sixteen
hundreds for the suit. In some of it we don't
have all the details. Was still learning actually still learning
more about that. The house I mentioned that was on
the site is across the street today on what was
a dow tabin and the tavern burnt down. And we
think when Jonathan died in eighteen fifty, they moved the house.

(45:55):
And there's a road there, there's an old road. I
think they moved a home down. And they just found
out recently. And we should have known this years ago.
And I'm sure some researchers knew this, that the Dolls
and the Patties were related. They were the same family,
So it makes sense there was a Patty house and
there was a doalting that bront down. Why don't we
get this house off that rocky hill and bring it down?
And that happened a lot. You know. Pete has a

(46:16):
book of three thousand homes and buildings meeting houses in
Maine that were moved and how they moved them back
in the eighteen hundred, three thousand, like three thousand of them.
So it's insane. Wow, crazy.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, you know, they could moved the house, no big deal,
Like you don't see people moving houses today, you know.
I mean it was a lot different back then, of course,
but it's just wild to think they just moved all
these houses. We'll just move it down the hill. No
big deal they had.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
They probably had auction do it instead of heavy you
know question, Yeah, going downhill, that's dangerous.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
I think it's a waste.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Right.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
They lose the house.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Right where the house is today. That's why the house
isn't there. Although they thought originally may have burnt down
there was eighteen fifty five fire, you know, but we
don'tsue them. They never found enough enough debris, you know,
burnt timbers, burnt chocoal. So they're like, this doesn't make sense.
The house. We think it's down. It's sitting across the
street from a parking lot today. And in the History

(47:11):
of Salem nineteen oh seven, Ergar Gilbert's got a picture
of the Patty family standing at that house where it
is today, in front of the Bay Bay or bow window,
whatever you call it. There's a whole Patty family standing there.
It was like the granddaughter of Jonathan and so forth,
the whole family right in front of that home. So yeah,
the Pattis are a big part of this. And again
almost three hundred years and Malcolm Pearson was a big

(47:32):
part of this. And then going back before that, so
Good was the first guy to really say, hey, you
know this site, and you read what he said, how
he was blown away by this site is an ancient site.
He thought it was a Viking settlement, and he did
more research over the winter of thirty six thirty seven.
He had already been into all this stuff anyway for years.
You know, the mound's out west and everything. He goes, Yeah,

(47:53):
the Viking's built out of sod with you know that.
You know, these wooden roofs, you know, covered over with whatever,
and this is all stone structures because in stone roofs,
great big slab roofs he goes, doesn't quite fit with
the Vikings.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
So his idea started changing.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
To Irish called the monks, you know, and the Irish
called the monks were fleeing from the Vikings, you know,
from Europe into Iceland, into Greenland, and those legends. There's
a lot of legends about that, and there's some pieces
of evidence suggesting that was there. Even the Viking sagas
talk about possibly about the Irish monks fleeing from them
because they were raiding them. They were taking them for slaves,

(48:27):
they were stealing the gold from the you know, anything,
any valuables, you know, when they were in the Ivory
trade up in the North too, But the Vikings coming
into New England I think probably happened. There's some evidence
of Viking inscriptions and Eric Dansett stone, the Spirit Pond
runstones in Maine, and there's other stones around the New
England area, and his even soft houses up in Spirit Pond.

(48:49):
My dad did the digg in seventy two and seventy three.
A piece of the timber dated to fourteen hundred AD,
so it wouldn't have been Viking. You had been post
Viking era. And that is for the Columbus time, and
that's the time of the Knights Temple with Scott's Walter's
whole thing, Oak Island's whole thing. And they weren't so
excited back in seventy three when they found the date
on that fourteen hundred eighteen. I got all there is about.

(49:12):
I have many copies of the Spirit Pond dig. The
State of Maine put my dad in charge of that.
Nero was involved with that whole dig. It went on
for two years. Today, that fourteen hundred eight would stand
right out because that's before the you know, climate Columbus
and before Plymouth plantation and even some of the early
explorers coming along our coast, you know, like John Cabot

(49:34):
and stuff. But it's post Viking and they think that
the Greenlanders were coming over here for four hundred years
starting about one thousand AD. That puts them right into
that fourteen hundred window. So that would be like wow, okay,
you know that's you know, and that actually fits them
with Sir Henry Saint Clair, which is part of the
scott the Rosslyn Chaplain, Scotland. The Da Vinci Code is fictional,

(49:55):
but the Saint Clair families in there, and that's part
of that whole family. They're real family, you know, Sir
Henry Saint Clair coming here in thirteen ninety eight leaving
Miss Coving in Westford, mass which I don't know if
you visited that with Pete.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Maybe not, No, I don't think so. No, that's on
my list. Now I'm going to have to go.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah, twenty miles from us. Yeah, that's a whole thing.
That's a whole story by itself. But yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
There's such a rich history. It's so wild just to
listen to you. I mean, you're an encyclopedia. I always
say this, you are a wealth of knowledge. I'm like
how does he hold it all in? God bless You
have an incredible memory and the history is so so rich.
But also at the same time, as I'm listening to
you tell the history, it's also a very small community,

(50:40):
is what. It sounds like a very small group of
people who've been really involved from from the beginning and
even present day. Who are the true protectors? All these
names when you keep saying them, I'm just like, they're
helping protect They're helping protect it. They're the protectors of
the land, of these sites. And I believe very strongly
you are a protector as well. It's obviously in your

(51:01):
DNA and your last name is Stone. I mean, you
can't make it up. I mean so fitting.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
It was meant to be.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
You were born for this role. Of course, it's so fascinating.
The history is so so rich and it goes so
far back, but it is a very small group of
people who've been involved in this. It sounds like is
that a fair assessment? Would you say?

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Yeah? I think you're right. Yeah, it always has been
going back to the beginning. You know, if the first
researchers was good and still today. I think my dad
always in our site and my dad always says it's
a well kept secret. But it's not our intention, you know,
as far as people knowing about it. But it is
a small group, and you know, we try to get
everybody interested, I mean as much as possible or at
least aware of this. And a lot of people have

(51:45):
a curiosity, most people do, kind of an interest in
the past and interest in, you know, the mysterious.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
It's so mysterious and fun and esoteric and kind of otherworldly.
I guess it's like the mystery. It's interesting. You said
it's like a kind of a secret, and it is.
I'm very open to a lot of different concepts obviously,
I'm very open intuitively, spiritually. And I just discovered these
stone stone structures and sites only about a year ago

(52:12):
after a friend brought it up to me. And I'm
just like, I'm a researcher, I'm a journalist, I'm kind
of have my nose and all these different rabbit holes.
How have I never heard of this before? But it's
like when it's time you get into it. I feel,
when it's time for you to remember, time for you
to get involved, that is, that is when it happens.

(52:33):
And usually it's word of mouth, I find. Do you
feel it's word of mouth how people discover America's Stonehenge
and other sacred sites like like Stonehenge?

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I think so yeah. People tell people and say, have
you been to this place? It's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Social media has helped a bit too, but it's still
kind of a well kept secret. I mean, just like yourself,
you're open minded, you're really into all of this, and
yet you never heard of this too about a year.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Ago, and now I can't can't stop. I'm far far
down the rabbit hole. And it's interesting. You know, when
you're driving around, I would have missed these stone structures,
But now that you have the awareness that they exist,
you see them everywhere, especially the walls.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Right.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
It's like when you have the knowing, you can't help,
but now notice them.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
That's a good point too. We had all these features.
We have sixteen serpent walls, we believe, and we have
about thirty four of these beautiful windows. You know, they
have a lintel on top, the kind of rectangular shape,
and so far we found many of them have sills.
Some of the sills may be still covered with earth.
And these windows are in the stone walls all over
the property and how did these escape attention until twenty

(53:41):
sixteen and was still finding them because last year we
found the sixteenth in match, we found the sixteenth serpent,
and we found a window. That day, we had a filmmaker.
He does films for Prime and he does them for
Showtime and he does Hallmart kind of movies, you know,
that kind of family anyway, but he does. So he

(54:04):
was in Kansas City and he was up twice, once
with his family, and then he was up here to
do an interview with Scott Walters, myself and Healy Ramsey.
We had a big event going on up here. And
actually Ronnie Leblank from Expedition Big four. He's been to
our site too, you know. And I've been on a
paranormal lecture with Ronnie too, but he's on Travel Channel.

(54:25):
He was supposed to come. Some emergency happened. But when
the day before, when this guy was up with James,
our manager, he was walking there walking around before I
got up there in the morning, and he had already
located a window out near the Winter Solstice, which we've
been looking at since nineteen, you know, sixty five when
we first cleared that out that nuclear guy and cleared
that eight hundred feet of trees. We never noticed it before.

(54:48):
And then that same day we were walking on the
northwest part of the property and we identified a gigantic
boulder headed serpent and had the tail and the body
and then just ends, you know, and that's when he
was there a see this, and he was with us
when we found that, you know, so as recently as that,
How do these things remain you know hidden? And my
dad died in nine not knowing about many of these features,

(55:08):
as did Malcolm Parison and so many others. You know,
you just wonder what still escaping our attention.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
But the circle walls, maybe time for them to be discovered,
like they were hidden in play plight side, but it
just wasn't time yet for them to be discovered. Maybe
that's kind of how I look at it. And I
know you're going to discover so much more the future generations.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Yeah, everything, When they want to be discovered, they will
be discovered. It's so funny, and you know I've heard
that before, exactly what you just said. But they're being found.
It's funny too, because in sixteen we started finding him
and then Malcolm Style wrote his book that year, and
then we saw the book, you know a little later,
and there's all these things. The windows are a category,
the serpent walls, and then the woman spoke from Denver

(55:50):
and that where they are locateds east of Denver, below Nebraska.
We've been through that whole area before, you know, We've
done a sweeping circle around there and we've drove. It's
flat and then you can see Denver and you see
the rockies beyond it. It's pretty amazing the contrast. But
it's in the flat area where I didn't see a
lot of rocks. I saw a lot of range fences
and a lot of ranches. They're huge branches, you know.

(56:12):
But it was in that area she found the carns,
standing stones d walls. But beyond that in Weed, California,
right by Mark Shaster, I got like one hundred and
ten photographs of different wall pats, including chevron, which we
have and they're in Connecticut too, the zigzag walls, and
these will be in my new book. And then the
serpent walls, and they have the serpent walls and weed.
So from here to California and disposedly up in Oregon

(56:35):
and Washington State, I have not seen the photographs, so
it can't really comment on those yet. But they're in
Alabama and a gentleman named doctor I think it's Hobby Holstein,
and during the pandemic twenty twenty twenty one we got
in contact with him. He's been working on his carns
standing stones in a forty square mile area down in

(56:55):
Alabama and they have what he calls rattlesnake walls since
nineteen tventy seven or seventy eight. And now he's aware
of what we have in the northeast, and we're aware
of what he has. So from Alabama up to Winnipeg, Canada.
In Manitoba, Winnipeg and Manitoba, a woman was down last
a year and a half ago with her boyfriend I

(57:16):
think it was they drove down and her sister moved
to New Hampshire to work or whatever, and she's going
to come back, but she goes, i'm working with pox
Canada and up and I think it was not Edmonton.
I'm sorry, it was Winnipeg. And we've been up to
Edmonton and Calgary before, but we've never been to that
town of Winnipeg. And she goes, yeah, we're working and
she is, we have turtle effigies and we have the

(57:37):
serpent effigy walls, and she goes, Pax Canada is interested.
In fact, I think James, my manager, and I are
going to look into that a little bit more. And
if Pox Canada is accepting that these being ancient up there,
we can use that to put it to people like
the Smithsonian, maybe the National Geographic maybe some of the
academic schools. You know, they do a lot of politics.
This would be kind of more interesting than that. I'm

(57:58):
so bored with that stuff, but maybe it will be,
you know, a foot in the door, Like if Pox
Canada is looking, maybe we should be looking down here
because they're from and they.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
Should be protected.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
There was a there's about ninety four serpent mounds and
they do recognize those. They're not recognize the serpent walls though.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
It's the same idea.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Interesting, so they recognize the serpent mounds but not the walls.
That's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Huh. Well, the serpent went in Ohio. We visited that
two years ago. It is now on the United Nations
World Here, United Nations UNESCO World here is the National
Register of Historic Places and there are ninety four of
them going towards Iowa. One up in Michigan. Now, I
was talking to another radio show host, you know, like
what you're doing, and they mentioned that one of them

(58:45):
up there. It wasn't as big as the fifteen hundred
and fifty footer in Ohio. The People's and good one
actually saw that too. Somebody bulldozed it, you know, and
it's gone, you know, it's been destroyed. And that's something
un say so that can happen to the stone walls too,
you know. So if the mainstream is going to reform
and kind of like ridicule ma that just a bunch
of stone walls, you know, dead attitude, they will disappear

(59:09):
where they're not protected like we're protecting ours, you know,
and not stand.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
It breaks my heart because I'm sure there's been many
over the past few decades that have disappeared because there's
no protection in place. I mean, I hate to say,
you know, get the government involved, because everything the government
does is a bit in my humble opinion, not so.
I mean, look at the DANB, but is there some
some sort of organization. Obviously I know NIRA is is

(59:34):
into the research aspect, but obviously I know it takes funding,
and it takes a lot of money too, we'll say
put in protective measures. But has anyone in the community,
because it is a small community, kind of looked into
forming some sort of organization that could be funded by
the government. So protective measures invanted for these sacred sites.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Yeah, that's a great question.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
You know. Some get recognition as being state park, some
are federal parks, you know, and then they get the
protection and that, you know, and they get the visitor
center and you know, and they get the attention, especially
if you get on the UNESCO World Heritage Site stuff
like that. That does help, you know, that's a great question.
I mean, Mirror is out there to to research, study
and in some cases they do excavation they used to

(01:00:18):
do more of that in the sixties and seventies, but
also the preservation and conservation of these sites, and that's
one of their goals, you know, is to educate people,
whether it's individual.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Landowners or community or.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Even like the state. And I don't know about the
federal government, you know, so big on bureaucracy. It's kind
of hot sometimes. But maybe like the Smithsonian and a
lot of schools, they have different departments of history and archaeology, anthropology.
It'd be kind of nice to get their recognition and say, look,
these things are important. These things. Dave Stewart Smith, before
he died, said, you know, Dennis, it's like we have

(01:00:51):
an ancient culture orlithic culture, stone building culture across the Northeast.
And this is around twenty fifteen. He died in sixteen,
I guess somewhere on there and he goes, it's unrecognized,
not paid attention to, sometimes ridiculed as being just a
bunch of farmer's walls, that kind of thing across the landscape.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
He goes, it's really sad.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
And as you know, you're finding more. And I think
the number today Goodwin's book had sixteen places in the Northeast,
mostly New England. I think the number today of different
sites are eight hundred. And they go from Quebec all
in Ontario, and there's some up in Nova Scotia too,
but they go right down to Virginia.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
And some of these sites from.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
New Hampshire to Virginia have been osld by doctor Feathers
and the dates are coming back, like as terracing in
a place in Pennsylvania, and they said that says some
farmers did something there, and it's all this kind of
terracing of stonework, you know, And they did several samples
and they will get different dates and one of them
was three thousand BC, you know, that one was like

(01:01:55):
six five hundred AD, and there was ones in between,
which you'll find even at the Great Serpent Mountain finding dates.
It's either four hundred BC or it's eleven hundred AD.
If it's eleven hundred AD, it's Fort Ancient culture. And
there's a site called Fort Ancient. We visited that and
they use that for a time period and of a
culture and they say they're the ones that built Servant Mound.
But now the finding some evidence going back before Christ

(01:02:17):
four hundred years before Christ. And they're still debating how
old that is. But and so that's a well known site,
that's an accepted site. You get a controversial site in Pennsylvania,
controversial because they want to think it's modern and just nothing,
you know, and it's well built, I guess. And the
dates going back almost five thousand years on that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
For the Pittsburgh, this site you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
It's you know, I'm you know, I got to find
the location of it. I was going to say it
might be I'm trying to think of the near Philadelphia, the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
County closer to Philly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Okay, but yeah, but in Pittsburgh. Got my publicist listen Wheeling,
West Virginia, which down there last year when through that
whole area. He's been to the Meadow Cross site, which
is actually I think that's actually a pale cycling back
more than actually it's pre Clovis and pre you know,
going back more than thirteen thousand. This is a that's

(01:03:08):
an amazing site there. You know, you could be right
about that, But I'm thinking it's up in Bucks County.
I think, I think I think too far.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
I love Bucks County. It's interesting. I've been working with
a beautiful group of souls based in Bucks County who
are very into the esoteric and the supernatural. I've got
friends out there. Yeah, I would like to go. I
love to go down to New Hope, Pennsylvania, Lambertville, New Jersey.
That's the Bucks County region. Great antique shopping, but also
lots of history there, So that would not shock me.

(01:03:38):
If it's in the Bucks County area, Yeah, let me
know if you can figure out where exactly. Because I
would love to go maybe try and visit and feel
into the energy and kind of investigate further in near.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
It does have a wonderful website and I know public hut. Yeah.
So we did the lot in twenty twenty with doctor Brothers,
but he's been doing more since and he's getting ready
to retire, which is kind of sad. But that Nearer
journals are online too. But if you go to the
Nearer website near a dot org in there, they might
I know they have the OSL because and they would

(01:04:11):
talk about that particular terracing site and they might give
the county. You know, they may not get the road
out of there because of the middleism in private either
privatey state property, you don't want people messing around with it.
Near a will organized group field trips. You can say
that we can go there and the place actually exists.
We're not just talking about smoking mirrors. So you can
actually visit it. But they do it with permission of

(01:04:32):
the landowner or the state or whoever is in charge
of the property. You know, with the understanding that when
they go in there, they won't leave trash, they won't
alter the site, they'll respect. Yeah. So that's possible, and
maybe that field trip. Well, they're gonna be away from there,
They're gonna be up Fishkill, I guess. So we doing
sites in that area, probably in Fishkill, New York. You
know Hunter Mountain area up there. There's a Scot Walter's

(01:04:55):
interest of that because of the the Knights Templar. But
there's all sorts of stuff in Putnam, Westchester.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Is there a Knights Templar connection to Hunter's Mountain?

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Well, according to him, fascinating.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
I never heard that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Yeah, I mean they did find this in two thousand
and eight there. They're in some of his books. One
of his books on Rowan Scott just put out talks
about that a lot about that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
You know the town Hudson, New York, which is I
believe very close to us Hunter Mountain, Hudson, New York.
I've actually done a few cases up there, energetic clearing
work for people, you know, private residences, and I've been
I've talked to many locals in that area, and there's
a rich, rich, rich history with Hudson, New York very close.

(01:05:41):
It is very close to Hunter's Mountain. I believe it's
all in that same region. So I would not be
shocked if there are some ancient sites up that way
and stone.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Structures, right, And I did do it. And now I
came back to me as you were speaking too, that
I did a radio show back in the fall and
there was a gentleman and a lady doing the show.
And the lady was a near member too, I think,
and she talked about serpent walls being up on Hunter
Mountain and I just remember that, and I'm like, because
that's an example. So there are stone work up there.

(01:06:13):
The Scott's more into the fourteen hundreds and going back
to the eleven hundreds, you know, and I've read many
of his books. There's a lot of details, a lot
of information, but the Hunting Mountain comes up quite a bit.
But as far as the Megolithic sites, you know, North Sale,
New York as one of the We were there last year.
We were there back in nineteen sixty six, last time,

(01:06:34):
the big rock with the legs under it, but there
were chambers all around that beautiful nor Sale and the
same name as our town. It's such a beautiful town
in New York. It's a it's a very I don't know,
it's just a beautiful little town right there. But all
around there, you know, Monticello, Woodstock, that whole area. Bethel,
New York has structures, but west Chester, Putnam, Orange County,
Dutchess County have something like five hundred different structures. But

(01:06:58):
like our site is kind of condensed on one hundred
and six acres, kind of it probably went out further,
but we have some neighborhoods today that might be sitting
on some of it. You know, you know, probably we
preserve the majority of it. But but down there, you'd
have to get in your car and you see a chamber,
and there might be a few chambers together. Then you
get in your car and drive a little further and

(01:07:19):
you'll see more structures. And you have to know where
to look for these because they're not like on the
road maps. Very few of them will be on Google Earth.
A couple of them might be. Like the Nacion Domor
I believe is on the I think that we start
last year. I said, oh, they actually put that on
here because it's such a well known. It's on the road,
it's near a home, it's near a nice bakery and everything,
so I think, and it's pretty rugged. It's a big
fifty ton rock whatever it is, or maybe it's ninety ton.

(01:07:42):
It's sitting on legs. They think it's been put there
by man. It's a dolemento koit chrome, like a perch stone,
as they refer to it. But it's gonna be kind
of hard to damage it. It's not something that's but
you still don't want people messing with it. You know,
it's right there, so you can see it when you
drive by. It's right there. You can see it all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Can't mess it. Yeah, there's a great website I found
for that region. Someone put a map together and they
mapped out all of the major ancient stone structures, at
least a bulk of them in that Putnam County region.
I'm going to include that link in the description of
this podcast episode. I know my audience if they do

(01:08:20):
intend to go out there and see some of these
sites for themselves, they'll be very respectful. And I mean
they're out there. Most of them are out there. Some
are on private property, but the ones on this map
are all on public land for the most part. Some
do require a bit of a hike and a journey.
I mean, right now, it's pretty cold and snowy, so
maybe not the best time in February, but it'll warm

(01:08:41):
up in another month or two. But we actually have
surprisingly people you know, tend to hate on Jersey and
think Jersey's not very nature, you know, nature and pretty
and but I mean New Jersey has some beautiful regions
out west and north Northwest in particular. I've been discovering
some interesting stone structures and walls in the woods of

(01:09:03):
North Jersey. I'm not going to give the exact locations,
but a lot of them they're just pieces, you can tell,
but they used to be something, and energetically I kind
of tune in and connect with the land and discover
more that way. But obviously New Jersey is so overveloped,
so I feel like a lot of these sites in
New Jersey have unfortunately just been probably knocked over or

(01:09:25):
built upon. But there are some remnants left over deep
into the woods in New Jersey. So Jersey also, I
think at one point in time, before it got you know,
developed as it is now today, I strongly believe a
lot of these stone structures were just all over all over,
especially the northwest region. Again, like we said, the whole

(01:09:47):
east coast. I mean, you can find these structures dot
it everywhere and what makes America Stonehenge so unique. Obviously
a lot of these stone structures just kind of out
there in the middle of the woods. With America Stonehenge,
you can just pull right up into the parking lot.
You guys do guided tours, you do self guided tours.

(01:10:08):
It is very much open to the public. Was that
something that you started or did your father begin opening
up the site to the public when he bought the land.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Yeah, he actually opened it up. I was like four
years old. We opened like, we had a soft opening.
I think it was around June, the end of June.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
We actually have a date.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
It's in my book too, and then we had the
hot opening in July I think of nineteen fifty eight. Yeah,
his intention was to open it to the public, to
expose the site to the public for educational purposes, also
to raise revenue so it could keep the place being investigated,
research and all that and study. And he kind of opened.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Up as an open air museum, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
And so we just had our sixty fifth anniversary and
it is a State of New Hampshire Historic site. We
have a mocker down the road about five miles that
was put up in nineteen seventy one. This is mystery
hill on it. That's the name of the hill actually,
so yeah, my dad's intention was to open it to
the hill. We were in a family of a lot
of money, I supposed to very wealthy. Maybe we could

(01:11:14):
have just bought it and sat on it and did research,
but not let anybody access it, you know, and that
my dad really wanted the public to know about these
things and hopefully the public would take away. You know,
there's a whole new chapter history that's been unwritten. You know,
these things should be preserved in the fact that these
things are all over the landscape too, and some of
them are being bulldoz. Homes were going up, particularly in sixties.

(01:11:36):
Ninety three came out of Boston. It goes up to
the White Mountains New Hampshire. That opened up New Hampshire
to be really a Route three comes up into National
New Hampshire and joins ninety three. When the highways came in,
a lot of people made New Hampshire there what did
they call it? So where people this is their bed
and they worked in Massachusetts. My dad worked in Massachusett
at the endo, but we were from New Hampshire. Originally

(01:11:57):
the population really grew. Like my hometown of darry where
Alan Sheppard, the astronaut came from. Robert Frost was there.
But anyway, that talent from six thousand people to like
thirty thousand people during you know, very very quick period
of time, and so homes were going up pretty quickly.
And yeah, I think a few of the structures my
dad visited back in the fifties because he first heard
of this in fifty five, are no longer there today.

(01:12:18):
There you know, there's roads, or there's homes or you know,
little neighborhoods that have been built. And unfortunately they would
just get rid of these structures. You know, there were
kind of a hazard. If you have a structure of
the roof, kids can get hurt on them. Although they're
pretty rugged, you know, some of them. You know, they
probably looked a little well, let's get.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Rid of that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
It's in the way. We were going to put a
home in here. That has happened four ninety five. The
outer belt of Boston, my dad visited. I believe there
was a whole bunch of carns down there. And when
the highway was going in in the early sixties, my
dad visited that, and they photographed it just before Nero
was farm too. I think there's like one con of
a whole con field that you can see it as

(01:12:55):
you're going down. It's probably in the medium strip to
of four to ninety five, which is one of the
big big you know, out of belts of Boston, and
then inside of that through one twenty eight, which is
part of ninety five from Maine to Florida.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
So four ninety five I believe it is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
And they named the town and all these cons which
made farmers. When farmers got rid of rocks, usually made
fences walls, but sometimes he did pile them up. But
these seem to be very well built corns nice, not
just a pile of rocks. These were we built and
they seemed to be organized, you know. That was the
opinion they had. And I think somebody said, I don't
know between the fifteen and one hundred of them and

(01:13:30):
only one is left. So that kind of stuff happens now.
Sixty years ago, so that has happened, like you mentioned
in New Jersey, you know, but New Jersey went wild?
Was it called weird New Jersey? There was weird New England,
Weird New Jersey. And then west of the TV show
those guys you met, all those guys that had the
TV anyway, weird New Jersey does have some of the
structures in it, right, Yeah, you can check that out too,

(01:13:52):
you know, but near has coordinators all over the Northeast,
coordinators from New Hampshire and all the different even up
in Canada and Terry Devau if you watch him on
that History Channel show talking about Good One finding a
map having twenty six files on Oak Island. Because goodwe
not only was in Jamaica, I meant to say, he's
up in Chester, Nova, Scotia. He went up there in

(01:14:14):
the months of August with his wife for years, and
he was five miles from Oak Island and he got
involved with that, and we didn't know that until last week.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Wow, just last week you found out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Wow. Yeah, from that guy that left Alone Alone in
nineteen fifty five, a nuclear guy. He said, hey, from France.
He's sending me going hey, Dennis, say, hey, you know,
Good One's on him, Like I'd never heard of this,
So I looked into it. I actually got the episode
on my TV and waiting for the next one. Because
Good One's involved with a map and this map was
from another gentleman that's known in the eighteen hundreds, but

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they never found a map for good One copied the
map and put all notations on it about so they're
looking at it and they are finding a few things.
Will be interesting to see if that leads to anything.
But good One was involved with that too, you know.
And I was quite shocked. And he had twenty six great,
big K files just on Oak Island. And I was
sitting at History and Cultural Museum down in Connecticut and

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I'd never heard of that. I know. It was awards
with anathem and he he was. He curated the early
American antique with in with his cousin, he put together
that collection that's still there JP Morgan. You know. So
it's a lot about good One. What an amazing guy.
He went to Saint Paul's up in Conker, Newhampshire, private
high school name with the Yale you know and all.
You know, just an amazing guy. I would like to
have met him. He died in nineteen fifty you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Oh, okay, you know now you're making me want to
do more research on him. I never knew about this
man until you brought him up in the interview. Now,
I'm very fascinated to learn more about his life and
everything he accomplished. It sounds like he was a researcher,
he was a protector, he was just had this innate

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curiosity for history.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Yeah, he was an antiquarian, kind of an Indiana Jones
kind of guy, you know. And he was the first
one to really look at the site from a rear
church's point of view.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
This one is really important. And yeah, he wrote four books,
you know, And we have two of the four books.
The other two books, I think maybe we should get
them if we can find them somewhere on the Amazon
or whatever we are there. We should happen because I
have a I redone the whole library of my dad's
collections going back one hundred years. We just did it.
I call it my war room. It's upstairs at our museum.
Will take you up there next time I spent. Next

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to me is my wife's office and my daughter in
law's office in our and James and my little granddaughter
has our a little place up there too, So we
all reorganized. It took me. It took me weeks and
weeks and weeks to organize all the books in all
the journals and near a journals. We have them from
nineteen sixty six, the second year they were after they
were bombed, they started putting out journals. I have all

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those right up to today. You know. I have the
Early Sites Foundations.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Whole library up there. My goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Wow. There's another group called the Early Sites Research Society,
formed around nineteen seventy one by James Woodall, who is very,
very integral to this. We'll see wood All's name come up.
He died in ninety nine. I think it was from
cancer and he actually donated his family donated the Westford
Knight cast that's in our buildings that have big tall cast
when you first walked in behind the diarrhma that is
of the Westford Knight of Sir Henry Saint Clair in

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castak calving. Is still in the bedrock in Westford, Massachusetts.
It's under a big glass thing today. But somebody made
this fiberglass cast of at full scale and it's standing there.
And would All had a collection in Raleigh, Massachusetts.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
He was involved from the sixties.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
He found these inscriptions with William Nessman his right hand man,
in sixty seven and sixty nine. One of them was
the ball Stone Venetian, according to Barry Fell, and the
Chamber of Ruins we talked about being dated was dedicated
to Bollowed behalf of the Canaanites. Also a stone identified
as Libyan, and there's a partial inscription, part of its missing,

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so Barry Felt couldn't identify the entire script.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
But also Celtic og Oham was found.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
But what all found, Yeah, three different spones in sixty
seven and six, right by the entrance to the Chamber Ruins,
and they've been in our museum by seventy five. Barryfel
studied examining them, studying them, and what he said is
it's you have Phoenician writing, you have Libyan, and you
have Celtic writing here from Iberia Spain. And that was
a melting pot of all these cultures. They were multilingual.

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By Columbus, they jumped off to the New World. This
is his theory, wrote America BC in nineteen seventy six,
Bronze Age American and soccer America, and with all's in
all of those things too, but with always one of
the early founders in there too. I think he came
in like the second year or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
So there's a lot of cool history.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
You know, a lot of cool different people involved with it.
We've lost a lot of them. Hans Holzer was involved,
you know, the father of the Parada.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
I wanted to ask you about that. Yes, he has
Jersey roots as well, so many Jersey connections. Yeah, it's
very interesting. Hans Holzer. So he investigated the site a
couple times. Correct when your father was here?

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Yeah, more than I thought. He came in seventy he was.
He came up in seventy and they went to Dere,
New Hampshire, to the hood fom Hood Milks Big in
New England and the hood original hood Bomb. The house
became a restaurant and in nineteen seventy they all went
over there and we have all the slides and unfortunately
the slides for some reason they turned doc You can
almost not see him anymore, but written on the slides.

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My mom and dad are very meticulous about this. Hans
Soltzer in and you could just billy see. So in
seventy one he came back from New York City and
my mom musually picked him up at the Manster Airport.
If he flew up on Northeast Airlines, you know, before
Delta Bottom in seventy two and seventy two, seventy three,
seventy four and seventy four, he brought up three psychics.

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Ethel Myers, he brought up ignorand Beckmann, who's kind of
new at it. Myyers was very famous at the time,
and then there was Nancy Abel and they came up
like in July twelfth, seventy four. November twelfth was Ethel Myers,
and then Nancy Abel was another day, and they talked
about my mom picking up at the Manster Airport bringing

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him down to our place. But in seventy four when
he came apparently he got in the news because Betty
Hill of the famous Bonnie and Betty Hill being abducted
back in the UFO CA.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Yeah, that's a mis case, yes, yes, the abductee. It
was on like what's that show from the nineties, like
America's I don't know, there's a show. What's it called
something Mysteries, Unsolved Mystery Mysteries. I think it was an
Unsolved Mysteries episode I remember back in the day, see, yes, yes,
seeing it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Yeah, yeah, Well you know who played in seventies and seventy.
I want to see seventy five, so Ethel, I'm trying
to think of. So Betty Hill was played by the
actress Estelle pars was, Oh gosh, but James Earl Jones
played Barney and Bonnie's and I'll think about the woman.

(01:20:52):
She's very famous actress and she's still around two and
she's been in New Hampshire as some of the playhouses
up there. And it was on our local channel nine
ABC A Philly last year, but she didn't mention she
played Betty Hill. And Betty Hills from the herege was
such a famous but they played that in seventy five
and it was a special movie.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
It could have been NBC. Maybe it might have been.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
Made for you know, I think it might have been
Mate the TV. Estelle Possin's I kept saying, I think
that's the right one. And so Betty Betty came over
in seventy four. She was living in Portsmouth, New Hampshire,
about forty miles away. She's from Kingston, only fifteen miles
from our site. That's where she grew up. So she
came over. She wanted a reading by Ethel Myers on
that November twelfth visit in both Hans and Ethel I

(01:21:35):
guess came in together. I guess in the Manster airport
according to what was written. In fact, I know because
he wrote the book in nineteen ninety two called Across
before Columbus, all about our site. That was Hans Holtzer's.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
It was one of his last books.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
But he wrote so many books, and he wrote about
us twice, but he visited us for years. He wrote
the book of ninety two on Columbus's five hundred anniversary,
but he talks about that, and Betty was supposed to
get a reading Ethel Myers. And five years ago when
they filmed Us for David Trader and the Hultz of Files,
the whole cast was up here for a whole week filming.

(01:22:10):
We have three directors came out from la and the
hope we had here. People did make up from Virginia.
They were all over. David Traders from Minneapolis, he's friend
the Scott Walter's out there. They just did something together
and Scott was flown in for the show too. But anyway,
I got to meet Alexander Holtzer. I'd never met her before,
and that's the youngest daughter of Hans and he was

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part of that show. She is. He did it from
her home, and she's in New York City area, which
a lot of children, so she doesn't travel. But I
said to the producers, because you were talking to us
months before they came us, could you get her up here.
I've never met her. I knew her dad for years,
you know, I met him many times. I've never met
his other family members. And they said, well, usually she
does it down there. Cindy Cooza, she's a psychic. She's

(01:22:51):
from Ashal in New Hampshire, and she never knew about us.
She moves to Colorado. She said that two years on
that show going all around the place. Came and says,
you know, I never heard of so I'm up from
ninety ninety three up in Ashland. She goes. I said,
that's pretty typical, you know, you move away and you
hear about us. And she was nice. And then they
had Shane, and then they had and then they had
David Schrader and they were filming and then all of

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a sudden on a Wednesday night, I was ready to
leave at ten. They're filming all night there and I'm
going home so I can work the next morning, and
in comes one of the I thought, one of the
crew members, and they're all friendly, and I said, oh, hi,
how you doing, And she goes, I'm Alexander Holtzer, and I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
Like, are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
Got yeah, coming full circle. What did her father? What
did Hans say about America's Stonehenge? What did what was
his conclusion?

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Yeah, I mean his feeling was there was an ancient site.
And what he does in his book in nineteen ninety
two is to talk about the readings by the different psychics,
and I think three or four different psychics did their
readings in the book. But in the beginning of the
bike you talked about the ancient site.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
You know that it's.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Probably a ceremonial, a spiritualite, that kind of thing. And
then he gets into it. The book again is a
pross before Columbus nineteen ninety two, I figured, who are
the publishers? In fact, I'd probably have it downstairs here.
I meant to bring it back to my library at
the museum because I was doing some research on it.
But what I got to say, if you read his book,
you'll get a lot more out of it. In his interpretation,

(01:24:19):
and then by the three different psychics. That's really really
interesting because some of them will kind of overlap in
their interpretation. They didn't know each other, or we have
heard of each other, but they weren't there together. There
were months apart, and they.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Picked up on the same things energetically. It sounds like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
About the way people look like. And there might have
been two different people. What they used to site for,
why they used to site, maybe where they were from,
you know, who these people were.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
It was kind of a little bit of a mystery reading.
It was kind of interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
But I mentioned to Alexander because I had her on
Messenger and I haven't talked to her too recently, but
I said, can you find out if your dad had
because you recorded everything by video and by he had
a you know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Tape recorders.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
And I said he was supposed to have done a
reading with Ethel Myers of Betty Hill. That's why she came.
And when she came, she had her alien head back
in seventy four, you know, And we got to meet
her and her niece, Kathleen Martin, and Kathleen's famous in UFO,
and she said the books with Stanton Freeman two books
she co wrote with him before he passed away in

(01:25:22):
nineteen twenty nineteen. She came to the Hill too when
she was a kid. I met her after that at
a UFO conference and Exit in New Hampshire. All about
Betty Hill and all about the incident at Exit. The
two separate events that happened right in New Hampshire, you know,
a couple of years apart. And they have that festival
every year. You know, it's just like Roswell has her thing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Oh, they have their own thing, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
And they were there. Travis Walton was there. I met
Travis there and then a month later Travis comes all
the way back from Arizona. He's the one that was
abducted in seventy five doing fuel reduction in the White
Mountains I believe it's called the Sitka Mountains in Arizona
and he's missing for five days and it became a
worldwide event in the sky. The movie was made by
mel Toomey's son, Tracy Tomay made the whole movie about Travis.

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He came up and visited us too, and I was
talking about Betty and I was talking about some of
the other people that you know, have been involved with
the site. You know, so Travis came up and I
gave my VIP tour, so better U our goal connection
for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
You know, there's so much overlap with this community. I feel.
It's fascinating to me. It kind of it ties in
obviously with the Sadgic medium world and power normal researchers,
and then you got the UFO world, and then you've
got the Ancient Stone Sites and structures world. It's just
so fascinating how much overlap there is within all of

(01:26:38):
these different paradigms. I mean, really they're all interconnected. I
strongly believe, and I know, yeah, yeah, we know, definitely yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
I mean the first time we were on a big
show is nineteen seventies, The Unexplained and Rod Serling was
the host, and our site was on it an office
Sea clock and they kind of co hosted the show
and it was called The Unexplained. It was an NBC special,
and then Lennon Nimoy did us six years later on
the in Search of You know, so that is kind

(01:27:06):
of interesting show. She can pull them up on YouTube,
you know, going back to nineteen seventy, I guess for
your audience, if they want to go back and look
at some of the you know, really old shows about us.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
I want to look it up. I'm very curious. I
think it's fun to see the old footage.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Yeah, it's Hans Holden did use some of the footage
from seventy two, that year I got out of high school.
And in seventy four he's got a picture, I mean,
if he had the film and he's showing my uncle Oz,
who was integral to our site too, escorting Ethel Myers
through the site, walking her. And there I am when
I was.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
I guess I was.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
I guess I was twenty twenty years old at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Have you always been interested from a young age in
the family business, we can say, Have you always had
a strong interest in this?

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Oh? Absolutely, Yeah, since I was a kid. I mean
I played up there and I as a kid played.
We played also at the games. We watched actually in
Buck nineteen seventy two or seventy one, when we were
all young. We all we had a lot of guys stuff.
We actually stayed overnight in the Oracle chamber. We actually
stayed on the site several months. We actually watched Planet
of the Apes on the sacrificial table. We had electricity

(01:28:09):
up there back then, the light up. Oh wow. So
we were plugging in a black and white TV. And
we watched Planet at the Apes by the Sacrificial Table
about nineteen seventy. Not to be disrespectful, we were kids
and we loved the place, but that's what we did,
you know, we were kids, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
And yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Planet of the Apes, that's what I remember. The table
the fans don't watch in that movie, you know, at
the Planet, the aps of all things. So that's some
of my early memories. But I went into flying for years,
but I always worked on my days off at the
site and I retired. I flew for forty two years.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
You're a pilot, that's correct, Yeah, how long?

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Well forty two. I flew up seven professional others years
building up time and ratings and stuff and going to college.
And then I ended up working for a small airline
up in Vermont, right near where a lot of the
chambers at that site. That state is loaded with structures.
And I lived near at Rutland and a town of
North Claridon, right by the Rutland Airport, and I would

(01:29:00):
fly as you know, I was flying. I was doing
flight instructing, and then I got in the right seat
flying passengers. Eventually, you know, a few months. You have
to put your time in and uh, but I was
right near the Woodstock area. Those Royalton, Putney, Potaney. Vermont
have all these amazing chambers up there. Vermont is loaded,
and they have the most inscriptions in Vermont, I think
anywhere else on the East coast. Yeah, and O or

(01:29:23):
Oham you know Libyan writings or whatever interriting. Yeah, that's
that states loaded. Main steam is a bigger state with
fewer structures. It's always been puzzling to all of us
for decades. We're like, I think some of them are
still hid in the main Stephen King wrote about in
Pets Cemetery about one of the chambers up there, so
they do existly.

Speaker 1 (01:29:42):
Stephen King wrote about a stone chamber in cemetery. No way,
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
You've got to read the whole book to find it,
you know, but.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
A little buggets in there. Wow, I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
Yeah, it's in there, and so I like, I think
I watched that movie. My sister was a big fan
of Stephen King's books and movies, you know, and all
that stuff. I used to go in the banger and
overnight and I went by his house up there. I
don't think it looks like the Adams family house, like
a very gothic look at Really that's one of the
hotels we stayed by his houses, right, we used to

(01:30:15):
go by. I was like, Wow, that definitely is Stephen
King's house for sure, you know. But but yeah, so
you know, so there's a lot of vmon it's just lowered.
I lived up there and then I ended up working
for UPS going out of Louisville and the seventies, they
flew a lot of New Hampshire stuff. So I got
to come home in the morning at six, and then
I go to sleep, and then I go work at
the museum. Then I I might take another nap, and

(01:30:36):
then I'd go nine o'clock to the airport fly back
to Louisville over the night. We did a sort flight back.
So I did that for several years and then and
then I ended up in another airline, and then I
ended up in America, and I flew for American and
I was a Captain of America, and I ended up
in sixteen and in sixteen when I retired. That's when
I started finding the circuit walls, the windows and more
recently found using lightar handheld lighter that can see down

(01:30:58):
to a centimeter. In fact, they're gonna be me with
a gentleman. He's from Suffield, Connecticut. He's in the midst
of a lot of these chambers. He's been doing stuff
from Pennsylvania, Bidar for Nira and others all the way
up to uh up to us and he was in Belice.
I got him a gig done in Belie five thousand
acre area with Mayan ruins that they wanted to have

(01:31:18):
him do the imaging before they do some construction. But
they're gonna build around the chambers and they're only going
to put in a small number of I think a
small resort, you know, on the five thousand acres, so
they will protect the structures. But they want to map
a very Catholic So I got that gig and I
was supposed to go down there. You know, it'll be
nice go down there, But every time the opportunity came
up we were doing something like that. It because I

(01:31:39):
kind of got the whole thing arranged for him. But
he's coming up next Monday. He's gonna be bringing me
something he wanted a hand to me. So I don't
know if this is good or bad. I oh, you
know when I say I've got something for you, but
I have to give it to you, and I don't
tell you what it is, You're like, oh, what.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
But he's why can't you tell me ahead of time?
We're going to Rome positive, right, We're gonna say.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
But he's a good guy. And his light hour is
amazing because you can see down to like a centimeter.
We've got the servent walls.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Can you explain in like very simple terms what exactly
light ar is? Again? Is it an imaging sort of machine?
Is that kind of a way to kind of put it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
I guess, yeah, it's you know, it's it's wasers.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
And they say, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
And it can map, you know, the ground, it can
map features and depending on the quality of the of
the actual light ur unit, you know, it can see
down to about a centimeter. So he spent fifty thousand
for this handheld thing, and he actually carries around on
him and he can walk into fevers. He can walk,
you know, and he walked into the all the chambers
we have if you had an airplane obviously you can't

(01:32:49):
do that. And if you have a drone, some drones
can get into some tight quarters, but not and his
had three hundred thousand points for a cute square yard
and compared to maybe he said, like drone, this is
five years ago. Drone was something like seven or eight
hundred points per square yard, so you can see the

(01:33:10):
fidelity what can what it can see is less, and
then airplane was like four hundred or less or something
like that. Now drone has come up to almost equal
to what his handheld did, and his devices made larer.
The software was made in Montreal, and it sends out
sixteen laser beams and it also has a high definition

(01:33:31):
camera on top, so it's recording what we can see
as well as what the you know, the laser does,
and it has a he bought special software in a supercomputer.
It took him six hundred hours to do the data
processing on sixteen acres and the equipment goes back about
five years and his computer, you know, I'm sure it's

(01:33:52):
quicker today and he can update that. And so he
did sixteen acres and then back in December, I think
after you came up, we had a gentleman from our town.
He works for a company that's based in our town
and they have offices from Maine. I found out after
all way down to Florida and they've been around since

(01:34:15):
sixty six. I think it's employee owned. And he had
this amazing lighter drone. He had two different drones. One
of them was a ninety thousand dollars and he does
commercial work. If you're going to put in a big
you know, in a home, a housing development, or a
big office build, he can do all that site preparation,
record all the information by scanning down to he said,

(01:34:35):
down to about a centimeter now with his drone, and
so that's kind of way. And he also has these
high definition cameras. So he came and visited with his girlfriend,
I think in October, and then he said, when he
was there, my wife must have waited on him. He
came down and he introduced himself as my wife. She's
an am person in the morning. She leaves around one
o'clock on there, and so I met him. I hadn't
met him before that, you know, And he goes, yeah,

(01:34:57):
I was here, I talked to you your wife or whatever.
He goes, but I work for this company. I have
this light ar. He goes, and this light ar, we
have a ninety thousand dollars unit, and we also have
a smaller one too. He goes, Your site's amazing up there,
he goes, I can see all these features of the
walls chambers. He goes, have you done lighter? I said
yes on sixty day because but not only the other ninety.
So he goes, wow, because would you be interested? I

(01:35:19):
said yeah. So he came back to me, O, yeah,
And what we have so far from him is all
the high definition and the super high definition because he
changed cameras to get recorded.

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
Visually with our visual spectrum.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Because it's going to take a while because it's again
like Tom told me, with the handheld, there's a lot
of data and he's going to do it on his downtime.
And the other thing is the permission from his boss
to do this. His boss lives in Hampstead, right next
door to us. And then Chris Christmas party in December,
his boss was made vice president of the whole company
Harder up to Maine, so that's kind of his boss.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
I guess kind of liked us.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
So well, we're waiting for us the next and I
want to include that in my new book that I'm
going to be writing about the world. Yes, I'll have
the light our image of the entire property. And he goes,
I can lend Tom's work into my work, which is
pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
And Tom, oh, that's pretty neat. They can combine the two, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Yeah, and inside the chambers everything, and that can go
on my book. I have some of Tom's in my
book that you read a couple of especially at the
Serpent Wall.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
I'm going to link your your first book in the
description if anyone wants to buy it, highly highly recommend
the book. And you're also working on book number two,
which will be out well to be determined.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
Yes, yeah, we're working on editing already. And actually, yeah,
you're right. Second, the first book we really did was
a souvenir book that replaced the nineteen ninety six book
a lot of photographs and texts, and that came out
in twenty eighteen. My daughter in law Kathleen and I
put that together, and uh, and then this, and then
she helped me edit start the editing on this over

(01:36:54):
five years ago, and then our manager James helped me
finish it up. You know, so credit to all of
them for helping me. And this will be kind of
like my third book, I guess, you know, with the
and they're all going to be the same, you know,
dimensions and everything about the size of that. Be a
lot more photographs, and I'm gonna have seven chapters. We're

(01:37:14):
gonna talk about the light art detecting a patent of
trapezoid and we have geometric shapes up on the hill.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
Yeah, So Dave Stu a smith before he passed. We're
doing a video that's in our theater. It's our introduction
into you know, in our movie. Yeah, it's also available
on our website, so anybody goes to a website. So
Dave was we were having him do. We knew he
was very sick, he had cancer, and so we had
him do the uh that you know that video and

(01:37:47):
I was with him during most of it. You know,
he was being filmed and he was by the table
doing talk by the table, and he mentioned the size
of the groove and after the camera stopped and said, Dave,
would you measure the group from the center of the
groove or from one side of the group, because the
group's about three or four inches wide, you know, that
goes around the top of the sacrificial he goes well
from the center. So the next day I get up there,

(01:38:07):
and I went up in a Catholic as I could,
because people are referenced since Goodwin's time and before as
a rectangle. And I went up there and I started
measuring it. I found out it's nine inches narrow at
the top and the bottom, and going, well, that's a
tra episode. You know. About four years later when Tom
came along and started doing the light ar and he
went into the chambers and everything. We started finding out

(01:38:27):
that the floor plan or the patty chamber, the chamber
in ruins where we commendated and get those inscriptions, and
the roof slab has fallen in. But Tom climbed in
there with his light ar. And then there's a little
alcove next to the table that has two little niches.
We also used to call that the animal pen where
they kept an animal before the sack. It's just one
of those things. We have no idea that the table

(01:38:49):
was used for sacrifices. It's just been around forever. It's
like a legend, and it's right next to the sacrificial table.
It's an area several feet by several feet, no roof
on it, and you can actually look at it today
and look down at it. It is a trapezoid. But
Tom's you know, is imaging. You can see down to
a centimeter. It's like, wow, that is a trapezoid. The
patty chamber, the chamber ruins in the place with a

(01:39:10):
big wooden house set is a courtyard we think originally
and the Patties used that for the sell a hole.
That is a big trapezoid. It's not the house in
the house. You know, we measured the house before, back
in the sixties.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
A woman named That's a very unique shape to utilize
a trapezoid. You don't see that often, you know, that's
very fascinating. I'm getting a little download. We're gonna have
to talk at some point. I might have some data
for you, some info that can just kind of help
you kind of piece more things together, because there's there

(01:39:44):
there's some there's a connection with the place in Princeton,
New Jersey. Yeah, I have to process all this energy
coming through. It's a lot of data streaming.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
Yeah, No, absolutely, I feel good. I meant to and
I'm guided to. Absolutely, there's there's a lot of connections,
a lot of connections. I'm a firm believer that your location,
America's Stonehenge, is on very sacred land energetically, it's it's
a very special land. You can call it an energetic portal.

(01:40:19):
And and many of these ancient stone sites up and
down the East Coast and obviously around the world, we
can say they do correspond to vordixesvortices, they correspond to
lay lines, axiotonal lines, and the Earth's the Earth's energy
grid in a very simplistic way. And I have a
map I want to share with you that dots a

(01:40:42):
lot of these special energetic locations that I feel like
there's a correlation that that There's a lot moving through
my head right now that I can't really verbally express
properly for this podcast episode. So we're gonna have to
do a part two at some point. Eventually, I feel
and talk in depth about this and I can share
with you more and obviously privately I'll share with you

(01:41:03):
more info. But there's something really special about America Stone.
Let me tell you, there's something really powerful and special.
And you're the protector. I mean, you are absolutely the
protector What are your thoughts from an energetic, spiritual perspective
on the land. You live there full time, you were

(01:41:23):
the caretaker. It's been in your family for many, many decades.
How do you feel about the land. What are your
personal thoughts If you don't mind sharing, I would love
to hear your personal perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Yeah, I think it's a very spiritual area. As you mentioned,
I think the site was chosen specifically for where it
sits today. To me, it's a place where people gathered
for perhaps like the alignments with the sun, the moon
and stars. We have fifty seven alignments up there and
during the solstices equinoxis cross quarter days. I think people

(01:41:57):
went up there and we think one thing it may
have been a burial site. There are chambers that are
very reminiscent of some of the tombs, like the East
West Tune looked like the Galley graves we've seen in France.
They're also in Holland called the Giant's Bed, and they
are in Northwest Ireland, which we didn't quite get to
that part of Ireland. The v Hut looks like the
Wedge Tombs of Ireland. My dad and I visited back
in the eighties. The southwest facing orientations the same. The

(01:42:19):
ones over there are believed to be used for burials,
and sometimes the bones are found inside.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
Some of those our site.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Unfortunately, mister Goodman, although his intentions were wonderful, he did
clear it out with nineteen thirty technology. They didn't do
soil analysis, they didn't use microscopes chemical testing. So the
dirt was taken out of these chambers that may have
had evidence of human burial and they were sifted. My
feeling it's a very spiritual site. I think it's sided
in with the heavens. I think of alignments. It may

(01:42:47):
have been a place where people got married and they
may have had some sort of ceremony on the table
during these special events. When you look AT's on top
of a hill, it's up high. It's closer to the heavens.
Whether you have a pyramid with a temple on top
to bring it closer, or you put a place up pie.
A lot of these sites in New England, by the way,
not all some are in flat areas I have seen that,
but a lot of them seem to be in a

(01:43:08):
little bit higher point, you know. And again that's what
a lot of ancient people would do. Even in European
Megallithic sites, a lot of them stoneage is kind of
in a flat plain area, but there are those that
seem to be a pie. So I think it's a
spiritual site, a portal and all that. I'm gonna be
talking to my friend Maria. She's gonna come here and
I'm going to learn from her. We've done a lot

(01:43:29):
of talking about that. The windows, to me, we call
them soul holes or spirit windows. The idea is that
maybe the spirit could flow through there. Each of even
had that. In the Great Pyramid, they have this one
of the tubes that you're aware of, and they say
that when the although the pyramids are kind of I
don't know, there's some talk whether anybody's ever placed in
the pyramid, you know, one of the pharohs, but they

(01:43:51):
have these little holes that go through and they say
that's where the spirit would flow out of the pyramid
into the heavens, you know, maybe towards the North Star
or whatever, because sometimes we have the North alignment and
that area, at least by Egyptians, that was where the
sty that never moved. Everything else goes around it, and
that was the way to the heaven, you know that
kind of thing. So the spirit windows to me are

(01:44:13):
the windows we have, I think, to me, are amazing
that we have. Thirty four of these things are screadded
all over the.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
Top of the hill.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
And what we are finding too are standing monoliths on
the outskirts of these walls. A couple of them are falling. Yeah,
and I thought about that last night before, you know,
I was thinking about your show today and that dawned
on me. I said, you know, we have one behind
our home that's beautiful. We have another one that's fallen.
We have another one that's fallen, and then one behind
where my dad used to live on the north side.

(01:44:41):
It's perfectly aligned with the true north alignment. It's one
thousand feet from the site and it's as almost as
tall as I am. It's just standing in the wall beautifully,
but almost like guidians around the main site. I'm on
the whole hilltop.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:54):
I have chills, full buddy chills, as you said the
word yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
Yeah, eyes open for more of them, because they seem
to surround the site except for the east side of
the site, and that's where our neighbors and there's a
wall down there. I'm going to go down there and
look at that a little closer, whether there is anything
there or not. But these standing monolists. The other possibility
is that the fertility monolists, because in Vermont you'll see
they have a lot of fertility stones. Felik and they

(01:45:21):
and I are Yoni, however you pronounce it, and Barry
Fell's book you're looking at it, and the same kind
of stuff as in Europe too. We know Native Americans
are big in all this too, particularly the Native Americans
are here and whether they were influencder outside is or not,
that's one of the arguments going on. But we have
these stones and one of them has like a female
stone that and then the male standing stone right next

(01:45:43):
to it. I think it represents fertility. There's another one
that actually has a whole male part to if you
want the reproduction it's falling over somebody's recommended and I
don't know if that would stand it up.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
It's right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
And by the way, they're kind of funny because you're
at the intersection of a wall like this with the
third wall, and that's where they seem to be. Like
you trying to say yeah, you know, and that's a
repeating patent starts to you know, Okay, what were they
doing and why is this a repeating pattern? It looks intentional,
It looks like something intentional. So the thing is what
we're in the minds of these builders. You know, what

(01:46:22):
were they thinking all the sextra work they did where
farmers the walls are utilitarian, they're very practical. We're going
to take rocks, we're going to stack them up. They
shim them and they're going to go.

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
Did not have time to do all that? In my
humble opinion, you know, they could have utilized what was
already on the land and you know, worked with it absolutely.
But I'm a firm believer, and I know in my
heart and in my soul, and I have open incarnational
memory that this was the work of an ancient civilization.
We can say in a very simplistic way, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
I think it's an as civilization and it's kind of
spread out and we started to find things so far
from here. And then the big question every bodies where
they connected? What time period? You know, were people trading
with one another? And these ideas went to the West coast. Uh,
the independent inventions similar structures and serpents and things we
just don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
It just raises all those questions, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
Yeah, I think it could be a combination of it
all absolutely word of mouth obviously, or they're all collected.
They're all tapping into the you could say, the collective
unified field of consciousness, and they're all getting divine guidance
and inspiration you know, from a much higher source obviously,
and getting the same level of an information. I think
it's a combination of it all. And I wouldn't be

(01:47:36):
shocked if it was word of mouth and people traveling
and spreading and yeah, yeah, without.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
A yeah, they expressed you know, what they felt or
what theirs and it seems so similar, you know, thousands
of miles apart, you know, so you wonder what else
is out there between here and the West Coast to
part of Canada, and you know, well.

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
You know, I'm going I'm going to the West Coast
next week on a little trip. But I'm not going
to cloths were quite yet. I'm going to keep that private,
but it is. I'm going there for what work we'll say,
energetic work, spiritual work. I'm being divinely led and I
have a sneaking suspicion, and I'm going to report back
when I find out that there's going to be a

(01:48:16):
place I'm guided to. I already kind of know where
it is. I think there's a connection between this location
and america Stonehenge and other locations. Another spot is Peru.
I think there's a very strong connection. It's it's like
a one big you can look at them as highways
intersecting with one another, energetic highways that all connect and

(01:48:38):
intersect around the globe. Saint Kitts, I believe, is another
one Peru. Where I'm going in the West Coast region
Colorado is there's there's there's a big connection here. And
I already have some of the data that I'm going
to share with you privately start looking at, you know,
kind of feeling into Obviously you take it or leave it,

(01:49:01):
but there's an abundance of energy, we'll say, flowing through
me right now, with a lot of data, a lot
of information to kind of piece all this together. But
I firmly, firmly believe America's Stonehenge is interconnected with all
of these other ancient sites scattered around the globe. Kind
of like I'm trying to give a very simplistic analogy.

(01:49:25):
They're all major energetic grids for the planet and they
move energy and frequency through them interdimensionally. They're getting higher
levels of frequency from the fifteen dimensional time matrix structure
popping on down into the planet to help the planet
heal at this time and help awaken everybody. Help everybody

(01:49:47):
awaken and heal on some level. But the frequencies are shifting,
and these sites play a major role in that is
what I'm hearing. In particular America Stonehenge. I feel that's
so star wrongly. It's really special. It's a really special
plot of land, and you came in with the mission

(01:50:08):
to protect it your soul. I would certainly believe that.

Speaker 3 (01:50:13):
You were aware that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
Like my son back in twelve, Kelsey was a break
in college. It was a semester break and he was
actually google earthing around our site, looking at other things,
including that stone that's a thousand feet from the beyond
the North Stone there and he wanted to see if
it was lined up to north and it turned out
it was, and then he just took lines to other
New England places. Were kind of aware, you know, these

(01:50:36):
other sites exist, but he went, but he can on
the summer solstice sunrise. He took that line from the
astronomical platform where there are two carns. One of the
carns a stone circle which is halfway between the standing monolith,
is an elliptical circle with a stone. That's where we
think you stood. It was a backsite. You looked at
the stone and the sun rose and the summer solstice
over at a ninety degree angle to the slope of

(01:50:57):
the stone. If you look further, you see the artistant
horizon is dipped. It's actually two hills that come together
and what we think is a shape the top of
the summer solstice monolith to mimic that it fits right
in there. And then Europe they call us horizon features.
So if there's a notch or a bump on a
hill or whatever, they would use that as part of
the alignment with the sunner moon. And it makes for
a very very long, you know, sight line, a very

(01:51:20):
accurate alignment for summer solstice went to solstice equinox. So
we have that here because surrounding our hill is like
the lip of a bowl about a half a degree uplook,
which is good for alignment so if you go to
the ocean, the sun's very low, it's very distorted and beautiful,
but it's about.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
A half a degree up.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
So they might have chose a site because we have
an earthquake fault line through the center of it. When
you have the Spigot River, we have certainly the building
material there and it's a prominent hill. But around us
the hills are slightly higher and they go up and
down almost like a serpent. And they actually took advantages
of those dips for some of the astronomical alignments. So
you have your like a gun site, at your back site,
your forest sight, and then your horizon feature. Then you

(01:51:57):
have the sun. But he took that alignment just when
right as passed Newfoundland and all of that in Nova
Scotia took it to the other side, came into England
and the south body he's already been the Stonehenge, you know,
and he goes, huh, this is interesting. It's close to Stonehenge.
And as he expanded the scale, all of a sudden,
Stonehenge starts to appear.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
You know, you blow up the scale.

Speaker 2 (01:52:15):
And as he blew it up, that line staying right
there and all of Sudden Stonehenge is under that line,
and then it goes right through one of the trilathons.
This alignment goes through again the astronomical platform, the stone circle,
the stone, the little dip in the hill, and then
it goes across the ocean. And the idea of a
ley line came up in our mind, you know, and
Maria is aware of that. That made it on Scott

(01:52:38):
Walter's show America r on Earth in twenty thirteen, and
they filmed us through the six episode. It was kind
of based on that, plus the whole site itself. Okay,
the Sun started showing me how to use Google Earth,
and I took a true self alignment.

Speaker 3 (01:52:51):
And he had to do it many many times because
we don't want.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
To make an era, you know, and I ask everybody
else to people check it. But it goes through Machu
Picchu the I know.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
I knew it. I knew it, and panning out of here,
there's there's more sites. Get ready, Dennis.

Speaker 2 (01:53:12):
There's in Mexico back in the eighties. And when I've
we've been to the Sun Pyramid. We climbed that, the
Moon Pyramid, we walked around it, and so I took
that alignment and again people in double check us, you know, yeah,
goes from the astronomical center through the to the point
we watch it the foresight that we call a backsite,

(01:53:34):
and then the stone is a beautiful monolith and it
goes down into Mexico and it goes through the Moon
Pyramid at Tikan. Coincidence or not, but it does do that.
And then the equinox sunrise goes to the Canary Islands.
And I never realized this that one of the Canary
Islands has this beautiful truncated pyramids and it goes right
to them on the equinox sunrise. The equinox sunset goes

(01:53:56):
through the Sun Temple at Mont Mason already because you've
been there several times, and it goes right through that temple.
So and there's others too, you know. There's actually one
of the alignments goes through the Serpent Mound and the
Grave Creek Mound where my buddy lives, and we've been
to both of those. The Serpent Mount that alignment's purfet
I think I'm gonna say that's I don't. I think

(01:54:18):
that's the win the solstice also too, it might be
wrong on that particular one. Maybe it's a November first,
but these sites are pretty well known. They use the
UNESCO World Heritage Sites, you know, very you know famous
and very historic and very important. So and there's a
couple other ones. One goes through the August first, goes
to the Great Pyramid of Kiops on the sunrise. Okay,

(01:54:40):
so it's just you know, it's i't know, part of
that sacred geometry of the Earth, the special You brought
up a lot of good points when you're talking you know,
energy and portals and all of that. I don't know,
but these they work, and that's all I can say.

Speaker 1 (01:54:54):
You know, you're finding some we'll say tangible physical evidence
to support this theory. You are absolutely on you know,
the surface level. I'm also talking about below the surface
and levels that many people can see. I'm lucky where
I can see that very clear voyantly. So yeah, yeah, Peru, Machipichu,
Lake tity Kaka, those are actually very very sacred, very

(01:55:19):
powerful energy sites. I'm going to be gut it to
go to at some point in my journey of this life,
for sure. But there is a direct link. And yeah,
this interview, it's so fascinating. The timing you can't make
this up. I mean, we met back in December. The
second I met, I was like, you need to come
on my podcast. I want to interview you. Oh my gosh,
you're a wealth of knowledge. So I knew right away.

(01:55:42):
But it's interesting how, you know, I got busy, life
got in the way, and the interview happened two months later.
And the timing is quite interesting how it's aligning with
me going on this trip next week to go visit
some we'll say sacred energy sites out west, and there's
a direct correlation. I'm hearing it very strongly from my

(01:56:02):
higher levels. There's a direct correlation between the sites on
the East Coast and this particular region I'm going to
out west. So I'm going to, you know, go out there, explore,
get information. I'm going to take photos if I can
find anything physically to back up my claims. But I'm
going to have some info for you, Dennis in the

(01:56:22):
coming weeks. I'm piecing a lot together in my mind.
I can see it very clearly energetically, but I kind
of have to piece it together. We'll say, in a
very simple linear human language fashion, to explain to you
at one point in time when I'm ready. Yeah, there's
a lot of frequency running through me right now. But
there's it's, it's, it's, it's it's a very powerful site.

(01:56:44):
We'll just kind of leave it at that. America Stonehenge
is really important.

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
That's so wonderful, and we've been near there, as we
were mentioned before the show, and it's it's on my
bucket list to go to, and I hear so many
people that go there are just actually one of my
friends who's a psychic on the coast New Hampshire, Lynn,
she lived in Sedona for quite a while, you know,
for several years, and she goes, Dennis, you got to
go visit that place. I said, I know, we've been
right by where you turn the road to go there.

(01:57:11):
We got to get there. I have another friend who
does a West Coast Dowsers Society. It's out in Santa
Cruz at the university. As a matter of fact, I
was going to have my friend from England fly in
there and then COVID hit and so I was going
to be a speaker there.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
She was going to be a speaker.

Speaker 2 (01:57:24):
The whole thing became a They did it on Skype
and everybody stayed home. You know, and that's the week
that Hans Holtz's film at our site. So I actually
couldn't do it both, you know, so I had to
bail out of it, unfortunately. But yeah, So but Maria,
my friend, she'll be here, and when she comes here,
I think she's gonna she's When I talked to her,
she sounds a lot about like.

Speaker 3 (01:57:45):
What you're kind of describing.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
So I interested to.

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
See her interpretation of us, and after, you know, I
might be able to connect you with her, because she
does like going on and describing stuff. So maybe she's
a future person, a guest for show. Maybe she's really
she can you can talk and she has a lot
of information like you do too, you know. But I'm
going to be interested to see her interpretation and what

(01:58:08):
she gets out of our site. She will be teaching people.
It's a two day workshop on the site. I'm going
to be part of it. I'll be showing people with
because she's never been there, going to show the windows
are you know, a little introduction to the thing, like
the majority of it her letting her go and do
her thing there, you know. And okay, yeah, so after
that that'll be in May. She'll be here May seventeenth

(01:58:30):
and eighteenth, I guess, and hopefully she comes in a
day or two before that so I can kind of
give her a feel for the property, you know, before
she does her event. You know so, but that's on
our website too, I think so. But it's been so
nice talking to you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:44):
This has been a pleasure. Oh my goodness. You are
just an incredible wealth of knowledge. I feel like I
could talk to you for hours, and I know we
have many times. I love chatting with you. You are just
an amazing, incredible soul, and you are protecting this incredible
sacred land, and I feel like it's just the beginning.
I feel like we're going to have you back on

(01:59:04):
the podcast, and who knows, maybe we'll do more work
together in the future in different capacities. But it was
such an honor to have you on. Thank you so
much for sharing your story talking about America's Stonehenge and
just educating myself and the audience with again. You're an
encyclopedia of historical knowledge and data. And please tell everybody

(01:59:28):
when they can visit America's stonehend where you guys are
located plug away the website. All the details that anyone
would need to know if they want to plan a
trip to see your incredible site.

Speaker 3 (01:59:41):
Oh thank you so much. I really enjoyed being on
your show.

Speaker 2 (01:59:44):
It was so much fun meeting you and your friend
last year, just two months ago, and you got to
come back. And some people sometimes come up and they
all do a podcast from the site. That's kind of
fun too.

Speaker 1 (01:59:53):
You know, we should do a live interview. That'd be
so fine.

Speaker 2 (01:59:56):
Yeah, a lot of fun. And you can because we're
open actually every day except for Thanksgiving and Christmas, and
the occasion open is that we had one on Monday.
I guess earlier this week we couldn't even open. It
was just we had so much snow the roadsor closed everything.
But yeah, we're open every day nine to five, and
within the time, we reduced the hours in the afternoon
because the sun sets around four, so we u and

(02:00:17):
then winter we go nine to four. We close last
admission at three. Right now, we're back to our normal schedule.
Our website is stoneheng Usa dot com. There's a lot
of links in there. They can also once they get
in there, they can do the video in the theater.
It's about eleven minute video they can watch that We
also have a free app download. If you download the
app on your phone, you can do a complete virtual

(02:00:37):
tour of the entire normal tour that you take. You
can do it from your couch. If you use it
on the site, we give you a paper map, but
as you're walking, it has pitches, it has texts, and
it talks to you. And people can come up today
even and visit. You can walk into the chambers and everything,
but a lot of the things on the ground, like
the bedrock that has calvings for the drainage, you know,
and all that or all under the snow. But if

(02:00:59):
you use in your phone, you can see what it
looks like on your phone because there's a picture on
your phone, and then it.

Speaker 3 (02:01:03):
Talks to you and all of that. So the app
is really good.

Speaker 2 (02:01:06):
It's on our website and then there's other links to
like we do drum circles. We have a spring Equinox
coming up, and there's a lot of different activities that
we're going to be doing, including sky or star watching, stargazing.
We have a new area. We have all these log
bench seats and we've used it twice already. One of
the turnouts was sixty people in October for a special

(02:01:26):
event at night, and it's a big open area when
we have a forestry project done over the last five
years ago we started this, they opened up this whole
beautiful area. It's near my first serpent wall when you're
sitting there, sitting next to my twenty seven foot serpent
wall that I found in twenty sixteen in the spring.

Speaker 3 (02:01:42):
So it's right there next to you.

Speaker 2 (02:01:44):
But we're going to have guest speakers probably Friday nights,
like the National Park Systems do. We'll talk about the
fifty seven alignments, we'll talk about some of the constellations,
and then we'll let the guest speaker take over, maybe
some lore, you know, myth legends, that kind of thing.
And I'll do that on Friday nights, probably when the
bug season isn't around, maybe like September October a nice.

(02:02:05):
We might do it in the summer. We'll have to
play that bay a year because sometimes it gets kind
of mosquito we up there, yea, even when they put
stuff on. But you know when it gets cold, do
we have a chimneyeer up there. People can sit there
and stay warm by the chim inear. And that's what
we did for the We just had a couple events
there where the chimneer going, you know. One of them
was a winter solstice sunset, so that's kind of fun.

(02:02:25):
So yeah, that kind of thing we're doing. So yes,
so don't DJUSA dot com and they can call us,
they can email us, you know, and we answered. We
try to answer every question if we can, and you know,
but yeah, I hope people can come up. If they can't,
you can do the virtual tour and they can do
the eleven minute video and get an idea what the
site's all about.

Speaker 3 (02:02:43):
And hopefully my book will be out.

Speaker 2 (02:02:45):
I think in the summer. We're making a lot of
progress it. It'll be about all the walls, windows, serpents,
you know, and the trapezoid shape and we have zig
zag shapes and d shapes and I won't give it
all the way, but there's a lot of different shapes
to these walls and we didn't even recognize. Some of
them were found by friends from Cannecticut using aerial imaging. Dennis,
you got this shape and we have this in Connecticut
at the no and like and I go out, look like, yeah,

(02:03:08):
we got two of those shapes here. I didn't get
those much thought before. But it's a repeating patent, so
there's something too.

Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
There's something to it, all right, we're gonna we're going
to connect it, yo. Yeah, there's more to come. I'm
going to have you back on absolutely, and I'm going
to come back and visit very soon, probably during the summer.
It's on my agenda. Oh absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
And I want to hear about Sedona too, Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
I'll have lots to share with you. And there's other locations.
Actually Sedona isn't even the important location. There's other locations
out west that are more important than Sedona actually, so yes,
I'll have lots to report back on. But thank you again,
so much

Speaker 2 (02:03:52):
My pleasure, Thank you so much, Kelly,

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