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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hice, Swayne Laruth Ruth Root is on Fire coming chie
from Las Vegas. This is the war Zone, the official
podcast of the Gateway Pundit two point five million unique
daily readers of The Gateway Punnit. Also on Rumble under
Wayne Root, Wayne Allen Root or war Zone and also
found at Patriot dot TV. Then on weekends we got
our big show, America's Top Ten Countdown on Real America's

(00:23):
Voice TV. We got a big guest in a great
interview today with doctor oz Is with us, the administrator
for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services otherwise known
as CMS. He is an heart surgeon and of course
a great TV personality, an Emmy Award winning TV host.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Doctor oz is with us right now. Hey, doctor oz
how are you.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm doing very well. Good to see you. I like
your tie, by.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
The way, Thank you, Sarah, thank you. Great to see you.
Always great to have you on the show.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Listen.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's kind of prophetic because I happen to open the
show today with my latest commentary about Obamacare being a disaster,
a total disaster, and I used all kinds of real
life examples of friends of mine and fans of mine
who went to the er and wound up, you know,
and the er did nothing but take tests and wound

(01:12):
up with one hundred and thirteen thousand dollars bill and
a ninety two thousand dollars bill.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Another fan of mine had a.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Heart procedure and it was three hundred and thirty thousand dollars.
She's going bankrupt because she can't pay the bill. Insurance
left her with enough of a bill that she can't
pay it. It's just things have escalated in costs so badly.
This is a disaster.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
What say you.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
With that question?

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Healthcare is increasing at a significant pace. It's efit in
five percent, probably faster than other parts of the economy,
which is frustrating because life, life's expensive as it is.
Now we're having the doll on extra money that a
lot of times folks can't come up with. Number one
source of bankruptcy in the country is a hell condition.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
First you get sick to your candering money. Then you
got to pay.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Bills that are so egregiously large that can't imagine anyone
being able to keep up with them. And my job is,
you know, is to pay the bills that the government's
responsible for.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
So Medicaid for.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Our most vulnerable, Medicare for older Americans, we.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Have chips for kids.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
But then there's about Affordable Care Act, which you know,
we shut the government down because the Democrats did not
like the fact that there were someone actually looking at
the bills. And part of the challenge with health care
expenses is that we as a nation are sick.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
This is the core of the Maha movement, you.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
Know, primarily about making it easier to be healthy, and
we have made it hard to be healthy, easy to
gain weight, hard to lose it, easy to be sedentary,
hard to get exercise. We've done all kinds of things
in society that allowed us to do things to our
bodies that ultimately we have to pay the bill for.
So what are the solutions. Get back in shape. Eat
the foods that your body knows how to digest, real foods,

(02:50):
foods that come out of the ground looking the way
they look when you eat them. But when it comes
to our policies, we're managing people in hospitals and insurance
companies and pharmaceutical companies. You know, we've got to get tough,
and the president has it's been very, very tough on
these folks. He insisted from day one that we address
a massive problem with pharmaceutical pricing. You know, I don't know, Wayne,
if you appreciate this, maybe the viewers may not. But

(03:11):
if you buy a product, a pharmaceutical product made in
this country, putting a bottle in this country, packaged here,
if you buy it in this country, it's three times
more expensive on average if you buy it in Europe. Right,
it makes no sense. So the President said, we're done
with that. We want most Favored Nation drug pricing, which
means the drug price has got to be the same.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
You can make money. We want you to make money.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
We want innovation, but you've got to make the same
amount of money on Americans.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
As you're making on Europeans. And we've been pushing for that.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
We've got the a leading US company that avids you
to come on board, a leading European company, ash Zeneca.
We got all the fertility drugs agreed to. Now now
with the biggest maybe of all, is we got the
drugs designed for weight loss, the so called GLP one drugs.
The President calls them the fat shot But those fat
shot drugs now are instead of being twelve thirteen hundred

(03:59):
dollars list price. Under the new arrangements that we have,
we'll be able to buy them for about two hundred
and fifty dollars. Especially for a government like you know,
our mind need to pay for the federal from the
federal tax budget. It saves so much money that we
can begin to give these medications to a lot more people.
And here's the best part, it's relatively speaking inexpensive, so

(04:23):
we actually save more money by avoiding diabetes and hypertension
and all the downstream illnesses like heart is, using renal
failure and liver problems. Who save so much money if
from not having to deal with those headaches that you
actually are making money, you're saving money for the federal
tax payer within two years of this program.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
You know, I'm a big health and fitness nut. I
guess you'd say I mean nut's a bad word, but
I really am. I'm very enthusiastic about working out two
hours a day in my home gym, and I take
one hundred vitamin pills a day. And it's probably no
coincidence that I've really never been sick in my life.
I've never had anything bad knocked on wood in my
entire life, and I don't get coals and I don't
get the flu. And the one time I had you know, COVID,

(05:04):
which was twenty twenty one, I got over in forty
eight hours. So my points you, doctor Oz, I think,
you know, MAHA should be all about making these things
tax deductible, and then people will all be in, you know,
enthusiastic and be motivated to be healthier. In other words,
you should make gym memberships tax deductible. You should make
vitamins tax deductible, not just drugs and your health savings account,

(05:27):
but vitamins, and you if you put a home gym together,
make the equipment tax deductible.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Has anybody suggested anything like that? That's my big bugaboo.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
I just think people need to be encouraged to be
healthier instead of always relying on drugs and medicine and doctors.
Let's make sure they don't get sick in the first place.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Well, with that question, Secretary Kennedy's aligned with you in
a desire to make sure that you dose preventive approaches.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
I agree with the overall concept.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Congress has looked at these kinds of ideas. The problem
is it's expensive, And then the question becomes well, what's
your obligation?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
You know, So, if you're desiring to.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Be healthy enough to witness your kids grow up and
get marry your daughter off and live the fullest to
your as possible, that's probably a worthwhile investment for you
to make as an individual. But we could incentivize it.
I actually think we do the opposite. We often incentivize
things that aren't good for you. Process food right, right,
and we don't give any support healthy foods. Figure you

(06:21):
out people who understand their value before you will buy them.
And I'll take that argument one step further. The value
to the economy of a healthy population is trillions of dollars.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Correct costs is hundreds of billions.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
So there's a lot more money for America if Americans
are healthy, if we're a fit population, which is why
we want high quality care.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Across the board.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
If you look what the President's articulating, whether it's most
favor nation drug pricing, or dealing with some of the
issues around prior authorization with as yours companies, or just
getting us to eat better.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
We want to have more babies.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
That's a good thing for a nation as well, But
a munch of it is built around the best basic ideas.
To be a wealthy name, you must be a healthy nation.
We want them to go together, and they nationally will
travel together. So let's focus on health and wealth will come.
Quality drives all all these programs. The best way to
save money is high quality medicine, because bad quality medicine

(07:15):
cost you three times.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
You got to pay for the bad doctor.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
You gotta pay the good doctor to fix the bad
doctor's mistake, and they gotta pay downstream expenses from the complications.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
And drug prices.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
I think the cuts and drug prices is brilliant and
it's compatible with capitalism because instead of charging you know,
one thousand dollars for a drug in America and one
hundred dollars in Europe, why don't you just charge you know,
fifty dollars in Europe, you know, fifty dollars more in
Europe and fifty dollars less in America. In other words,
you can even out the bill around the world, is
what I'm trying to say, and then everybody wins. But

(07:46):
of course, you know, the drug company is probably scared
that people in other countries can't afford it if they
charge more than ten dollars so they bill us one
thousand dollars. You just got to even out the bill
all around the world, make it a little bit higher
for other countries and lower for Americans, and then every
I think everybody wins.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
That's the general idea, right.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
You sound like the President exactly how he describes it.
They pay a little more, we pay a little less,
and m I show you body even.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
But their real life example is NATO. Look what happened
with NATO.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
We have an external threat, right, Russia could invade.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
So what do you do about it?

Speaker 4 (08:19):
You align all the countries, You say, okay, you're all
going to pay five percent of your GDP. Everyone's gonna
put you know, same percentage in whatever they're worth. Then
America will make up a difference. But we're not gonna
pay all the bill.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Why would we do that?

Speaker 4 (08:31):
Right, So, illness is an internal threat as opposed to
an external threat. But then metaphor extends. If we're going
to pay most this is maybe okay in some settings,
we're not gonna pay all the bills. You know, we're
big country, we're a wealthy country. But you got some
stuff as well. You chip in, we chip in less.
There's enough to go around.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
So, the big problem about Obamacare, which I want to
get into because this is something you've brought up, is
that there are four point four million people that don't
know they have a Obamacare and eleven million people who
don't use it.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yet taxpayers are still stuck.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
With the bill.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
What is that about.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
So Obamacare, which was created in twenty ten, was puttering
along lots of issues with it. But what happened during
COVID was the Democrats were worried that people wouldn't be
able to pay any premiums at all, so they decided
to put extra premiums. You know, these COVID era extra
premiums made it basically free for most people. When something's free,

(09:27):
you don't even know you have it. People get signed
up wrongly. There was a settlement this week two hundred
and thirty three million dollars. These two scoundrels defrauded the
US government by signing people up folksmen or substance use.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Disorder or homeless people.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
They sign them all up for Obamacare, they sign them
up for Medicaid. So these people are wandering around with
multiple insurance policies because they're not paying for any of them.
But we are the taxpayer is paying those bills, and
it gets pretty expensive pretty quickly. So the four point
four number is these folks that we believe are inappropriately
on aacare either they don't know, they didn't want it

(10:03):
registered somewhere else, and you know why will we pay
insurance twice? And that's the kind of problem that happens
if it's all free. And these are the kinds of
things we can address. And you mentioned the number, I'll
give it to you. There are twenty four million people on Obamacare,
and we believe eleven million people last year did not
use their policy. So the question I have for everyone
listening is, if you have health insurance, you generally use

(10:24):
it right, you pay medical bill and buy prescription medication.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
You use it.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
So that many people not using the insurance, people who
generally don't have much money because they're using Obamacare, something
doesn't match. There's something happening. And this conviction by a
jury in Florida this week is additional evidence that Democrats
are wrong they claim there's not much fraud. There's a
ton of fraud, a ponderous amount of fraud in the

(10:48):
Obamacare system.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
And we've got to fix that.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
It might actually be responsible for thirty forty percent of
the entire bill.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
You know, do you said Democrats are wrong? They're always wrong.
I don't think I remember the last time they were
right about anything. Look at climate change.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Just like Obamacare dramatically increased healthcare costs, climate change dramatically
increases your electric bill, your gas bill, the fuel in
your car, the groceries at the grocery store brought there
by a truck, and every part of energy goes up
because of their climate change obsession. They're wrong about everything.
We got to run music's on. Always an honor to
have you with us, doctor Oz, and I honoring to

(11:22):
call your friend.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Thanks for all you do. God bless you, y'all.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Bless you.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Take care, keep it up, make America healthy again, make
us proud, Doctor Oz.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
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Speaker 2 (11:30):
We'll be right back.

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