KCAA: Wellness Jocks (Sat, 28 Jun, 2025)

KCAA: Wellness Jocks on Sat, 28 Jun, 2025

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Welcome to Wellness Jocks, where Athletes meets Wellness Innovations, starring
Rich Walker and Russ Allen.

Speaker 5 (00:33):
Hi, this is Russ Alan. I introduce yourself.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
So my name is Jordan, but I got into fitness
and health coaching from wrestling. I come from a I'm
a short, bald Jewish guy. I come from a very
short Jewish family and my mom was very worried that
my brother and I were going to get picked on
in school. And she walked into the living room one day,
was lying on the couch and I was eight years old,
and she said, I'm gonna put you to in wrestling.

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And the only wrestling that I knew at that time
was w WE style wrestling. So I remember I looked
up at her and I was like, you want me
to hit someone with a chair, and she was like, Noightio,
It's the Olympic style of wrestling. And so basically I
got very quickly. I fell in love with Wrestling's terrible
in school. I was in a special education. I wasn't

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good at taking tests. I had ADHD. I was the
black sheep in my family because everyone else was very
good at school, doctors, lawyers, professors, everyone else's super smart,
and I was the not smart one. But I was
very athletic, and so I fell in love with wrestling.
And by the time I got to high school, I
made varsity as a freshman. I beat a junior out
for the varsity spot. And I grew up just outside

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of Boston, Massachusetts, a suburb of Boston. And when I
made varsity as a freshman, I was fourteen. Mainly go
up against sixteen seventeen, eighteen year olds and there's a
big us, big strength differential, big strengths differential, and so
I was like, I need to figure out how I
can get stronger because you have to lose weight when
you're wrestling cutting weight, So how do I lose weight
while getting stronger. I ended up I found a gym

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A couple of times over for me, a town called Newton, Massachusetts.
There was a gym that I reached out to. I
wrote a message. I said, hey, listen, I'll take the
trash out, I'll clean the floor, I'll do anything you
want me to do. Just let me come and learn
from you. And had to strength train. And I was
very blessed because number one, they took me under their wing,
they said yes. And number two is they were unbelievably
science based. It was a very high level, science based facility.

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And from fourteen years old. That's why I I interned
there and worked there, and that's how I got involved
with strength and conditioning and nutrition and performance. And I've
been doing it since I was fourteen. It's the only
job I've ever had.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
I was a high school wrestler.

Speaker 6 (02:36):
Oh nice and unlike yourself, But I didn't have a
lot of athletic skills. High school football, right, and I
tell people I played the position left out. I was
sure slow, they're a whole deal. But I made Rudy
look good. I would say that kind of good. Hey, yeah,

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but my vengeance as my older boy came home one
night and he had played baseball and he said, I
went out for wrestling. And I had taught them when
they were kids to wrestley. I knew something and he
but he was so strong even though he wrestle, he
pinned every kid for the first.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
It's a great sport. Oh, there's nothing like you're talking
about accountability when you oh yeah, and that's it.

Speaker 6 (03:24):
There's really nothing between you and that you're back to
that match.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Can't blame anyone else but yourself. It's no matter what.
It's no other teammate, no coaches. If you lose, and
that's a bit. And then it's also it teaches you
to be humble, teaching, be disciplined, accountable if and it's a.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Team sport too, so you're winning for the other guys.

Speaker 6 (03:46):
Yes, you get beat if the team wins, it's okay,
but you really you gotta show.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
You got to come out and make it.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
But I'm sorry, but a freshman wrestler being varsity that
is a big deal, folks.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
You don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
That's I was very excited about it. I was very
excited about it. And that's a tough intro into high
school wrestling. By the time I got the junior senior
year is good, but freshman year that was brutal.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
You got through it. Yes, you must bring that kind
of tenacity to your training of folks, And how do
you work that.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
But it's interesting. When I was younger and a wrestler,
and then from wrestling, I transitioned to powerlifting, and I
was an light level powerlifter, but my first client when
I was by the time I was sixteen, they let
me take on my first client at this gym. His
name is Fred. He was sixty eight years old at
the time and his only goal was to be able
to pick up his grandson without hurting his shoulders because

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he had rotator cuff issues. And there's a difference between
liking working out and liking coaching, two very different things.
And a lot of personal trainers will get into personal
training because they like working out, but they don't like
coaching people. Because when you're a person, when you like
working out, it's easy, you enjoy it. It's fun going

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to the gym and exercising. It's not a hard thing
for you, and for working out has never been a
hard thing. I really like it. But I love coaching
because I like trying to figure out the puzzle. I
like trying to help people who don't like it and
who don't necessarily understand how to fit it into their life,
who might not have the same level of tenacity that

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I have. And so Fred sixty eight rotator cuf issues.
He just wants to pick up his grandson. And for me,
that was when I was like, I want to coach
people because I really cared more about helping Fred achieve
his goals than I did about achieving my goals. It
was the first time, like at fourteen, I wanted to
be an amazing wrestler and I wanted to look good naked.

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That's literally it's all I cared about. And so for
this guy, like he doesn't tell me about wanting a
six pack, he doesn't tell me about wanting a deadlift
five hundred pounds. He just wants to pick up his
grandkid at fourteen. That gives me a lot of perspective.
And that's like, I love coaching other people. And when
I was really young, I thought I wanted to work

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with professional athletes, and I was very fortunate and blest.
I worked with high level baseball players from many different
organizations in the MLB. I are worked with many high
level wrestlers. I've still worked with some high level jiu
jitsu grapplers, but the majority of the people I work with,
ninety eight percent of them are every day average Joe's
average jains people who have to lose. I was literally

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just on the phone with a guy who's four hundred
and sixty seven pounds and he needs to lose a
couple hundred pounds. I regularly, like the majority of people
I work with are people who artists everyday, people who
need to improve their life and their health and their fitness.
And I don't take the biggest loser approach of lose
as much as possible, as quickly as possible, at any
cost necessary with berating people. The research is overwhelmingly clear

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that does way more harm than good. When people lose
weight like that, they're more likely to regain it and
then more on the back end. I love going very
hard and intense with my own training with my clients.
It's a much more I wouldn't call it a lenient
or relaxed approach, but it's a much more sustainable approach.

Speaker 6 (07:05):
The thing about coaching is you have to have patience
if you're going to be a really good and you
have to also have hope for the person that they
could be something they're not.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Yes, and if they feel their.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
Coaches lost open them.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
It's devastentiting.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
That's it over, it's and no, it's a powerful thing.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
When I was in college, I.

Speaker 6 (07:24):
Was going to go into physical therapy and ended up
in my junior year living with two other students.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
But they were both quite a pleagic.

Speaker 7 (07:32):
Oh wow.

Speaker 6 (07:32):
I did the cooking and the cleaning and the shopping,
and then I did their workout with him.

Speaker 5 (07:37):
Wow there at C four he had very limited movement.

Speaker 6 (07:41):
The other young man it was a five six, meaning
the level of this break, and he had quite a
bit more movement, and very similar to you guy with
wanting to be able to lift up his grandson. Right,
they had very limited goals. I want to be able
to open the door. I want to be able to
take a leak. I want to be able to do it.

Speaker 5 (07:59):
Brian, Hey, I want to be able to do whatever
for me. I want to do it for me.

Speaker 6 (08:04):
So working with people with severe disabilities, you really have
to exercise patients and you have to have hope. Yes,
And that's really powerful that you bring that to what
you're doing.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
I think that's great.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
A term if we get into the research, it's called
self efficacy and self efficacy. It's really the guy who's
done the most research on it is a man named
Albert Bandura, and without question, it is the greatest predictor
of success in achieving a task. If someone is going
to achieve something, the number one thing you want to

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look at is their level of self efficacy. And it's
very similar to their self confidence. It's not exactly the
same thing, but it's their level of belief in their
ability to accomplish that specific task. And there are many
ways to improve it, and there are different ways to
measure it. But what it really boils down to is this,
if you believe that you will be able to do something, yes,

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then the likelihood that you will actually do that thing
is almost certain that you will as long as you
believe it. If you don't believe it, it's not going
to happen because why would you bother trying? Why would
you bother? Because we're talking about weight loss, for example,
weight loss isn't linear like it's There are going to

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be roadbumps, there's going to be plateaus, there's going to
be difficulties. They're going to be challenging times of year,
notoriously Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's is a difficult time of year.
There like there's so many reasons or situations in which
it's going to be difficult. And if you don't believe
you're going to be able to do it anyway, then
why would you bother spending the time, effort and energy

(09:48):
to do it if you don't think it's going to
happen to begin with. And when I used to do
this a lot, Now I have a better gauge on
measuring self have to see without having to dive in deep.
But I would actually take the time to run quizzes
on potential clients do where their self fcacy was. And
what I did I created a likeert scale one to
ten scale basically, and to routinely ask clients where their

(10:11):
self facy was. I wouldn't say where's your self fcy.
I would ask them generally on a scale of one
to ten, one being who you're going to fail, ten
being one hundred percent you're going to succeed. Where do
you fall on that? And I found, without question, those
who scored a seven or above were going to achieve
their goal. Without question, those who consistently were six or

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below they were likely not going to achieve their goal.
And so my goal as a coach was get people
to a seven. If I have a client who's at
a seven, eight, nine, or ten, that individual client doesn't
need raw motivation. They don't need it. They often are like,
I'm good, just tell me what to do and I'll

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do it. The people who are one to six, that's
they need the accountability. They need you there, and they
need you to believe in them because that they're going
to feed off of that. And so it's very interesting
that you didn't bring up the coaches belief in them
because for the people who need it most, it's incredibly
important and it's a major factor of whether or not

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they believe in themselves.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
When you're taking somebody, obviously to lead that it lead
an athlete getting your assitude or whatever is a whole
different story than someone who's phone and bounds correct because
the social stigma of that obesity and the physical toll
that it takes is so significant. Yes, So to your point,

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the coach has got to be part shrink, part inspirator,
part puzzle worker outer. You're to fix all those barriers
to that individual. Oh, they've got to fix it, but
you've got to help them see the road anyway.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
I'm fascinating.

Speaker 6 (11:51):
There's so many different approaches coaches take. This is very
what kind of what's your typical client?

Speaker 5 (11:58):
Is it? Anybody?

Speaker 8 (11:59):
Man?

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Woman? Any is there?

Speaker 1 (12:01):
It's anybody. I have people, so I don't take anyone
younger than eighteen, just legal reasons, but eighteen all the
way into their nineties men and women. Yeah, Yeah, and
it's I work with everyone. I work with everyone, and
I've worked with again, very high level athletes all the
way to I've never worked with a quadrupt pleasure or
even a paraplegic, but I have worked with many different

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health issues, whether it was ranger from diabetes to PCOS
to like many different health issues. But yeah, it's my
personal favorite people to work with are the average everyday individual.
Usually parents are grandparents. Those are my favorites usually because
I think a lot of coaches who don't actually like coaching,

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They just want to work with people who are going
to do it no matter what they want. I'm gonna
give you the program and you do it, and they
don't want they don't want to motivate you. And for
me that I love motivating people like it's one of
my favorite things to do and the way I think
about it is part of a job. Of a great
coach is to motivate people. And I always think about

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it from I was terrible in school, at a very
bad relationship with school because many of my teachers gave
up on me. I remember the full names of every
teacher who went above and beyond to help me. Nathaniel Armistead,
I remember every teacher, your history professor, and he's one
of the reasons that I became such a good writer.

(13:28):
Thing that stands out for me is you will remember
a teacher from high school. I get, but everyone listening
can remember at least one teacher of high school college
who stands out as the teacher or one of the
teachers that made a big difference on them. And I
guarantee it was because that teacher went above and beyond
to do things that aren't in the job description. That

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teacher came in early, stayed late, they helped them do
extra things, They went up. They could have said, no,
I'm not going to do this this like on my
paid hours, but they did it anyway. So I view
coaching where it's yeah, I could just give them a
program and if they don't do it, I could blame
it on them. But what if I went the extra
mile and actually help them, and then they're telling their
kids and their grandkids that I was the coach that

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helped them achieve that goal. Like that's why I do it,
And that for me, is really what it boils down to.
A motivation and accountability is a major part of this.
And so I've found that also people with kids and grandkids,
they have a stronger why. But it's when you're working
with listen, young twenties, early thirties, no kids, like it's
a very unique population, and some people love working with

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that population. When you're working with people of kids and grandkids,
there's a why that you can't understand until you have it.
You just can't. It's when I had my first daughter.
The way that I describe having my first daughter is
it was I experienced emotions that I never knew existed.

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I've never done like mushrooms or these drugs, and nothing
against it, but I've never done it. But I know
some people who do it. They say they felt like
they saw colors that they didn't know existed before when
they take the callucinogenic drugs. That's what it's like. When
I had my first daughter, when it was like I'm
experiencing love in a way that I've never experienced it before.
I'm literally experiencing an emotion I've never felt before, and

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it gives you a new sense of purpose and a
new why that. I love that with my clients. That's
the type of person who gives me the most fulfillment.
And when all of a sudden, they can say they
can put their child in their crib without their back hurting,
or they can play with their kids or play with
their grandkids, or they were able to go on vacation
and without taking rests because their needs were hurting. Those

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are the things that on one hand, the kid is
loving every minute of it. They're not even aware of
that stuff, but they're just going to have these amazing memories.
And then the parents of their grandparent is overjoyed because
they were able to do the entire thing without feeling
like they were holding people back or without like they
weren't able to contribute what they wish they could have.
So that's my favorite population work with.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
Right because of the NFL alumni, I got the opportunity
to coach Dick Buckets.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Oh wow, that's awesome.

Speaker 6 (16:08):
At seventy nine years old, Dick was one of these guys.
His motivation level was eleven. All you had to do
was just lay it out for they got away. The
guy was driven.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
At seventy I was still the same dog I love
that used to just bury people into the ground.

Speaker 6 (16:29):
I still just caustic and buddy and just a complete personality.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
It was such an honor.

Speaker 6 (16:36):
To get to know Dick and his family and and
see him in action. Think he was a huge supporter
of what we're doing. I actually had the chance to
interview him on the last day of his life, and
it was, what I mean, what a terrific person. And
he had a family, and he had grandkids, yep, and
all he could talk about off camera was the grandkids,
and yeah, all minute. But his son Matt worked directly

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within the foundation with him and still to this day
is part of the foundation. And yeah, it's a big deal.
And they say with cancer patients, the minute they lose hope, it's.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Over, it's gone.

Speaker 6 (17:11):
It's correct, and so it's really no different if someone
as It was interesting living with these young men, and
it was we had a whole community. This is Berkeley
in the early seventies, right, you see Berkeley, right, Telegrave
the whole deal and Jerry Garcia played down the street
every night.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
On the years the avenue. They kind of a wildlife anyway.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
So there was an old community and this was right
when disabled people were mainstreaming. They had the same wants
and desires as anybody else.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
Nothing changed.

Speaker 6 (17:43):
It was they wanted a girl, they wanted a life,
they wanted a job, they wanted a career, they wanted
a family.

Speaker 5 (17:48):
It didn't matter. And that's really what got them up
in the morning.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yes, this was living to.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
Try their best to realize it.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
So it's very moving the top into the fundamental emotion
and motivations of people, and then you get a whole
different part of their wheel turning. Yes, because they've got
to hear that, and that is the unpacking of the
puzzle that you do.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
That's yeah, that's exactly right. That's exactly right.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 6 (18:17):
One of the things we do is we put together
shorts that we push out over social media. Okay, and
I would load to have you as part of capture
some of those little callouts. So give it some thought
because again we have very famous people say, look tagle obesity,
OBCD is a medical condition, not a character plot you

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can do it or whatever. That's the kind of thing
that really people need to hear, and we want to
We want to support your career by pushing it out
through our social media and getting people done, because you've
got a wonderful really following in business and just so impressed.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
With everything you've done. By watching your videos, I got
a sense of all the different ways you push.

Speaker 6 (18:59):
But it's different if it's all crowd of people or
people you're not even sure what they're on, versus the individual,
and of course you have to tailor what you're saying
to that audience. But yeah, I could really get a
sense you've done well in there.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
I can see why people are.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
Eager to follow you and learn from you and build
their lives around the kind of lessons. All of it's
all comes down to behavior change, new habits. For me,
the most important change in my life.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
And I lost fifty pounds.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Oh wow, that's amazing.

Speaker 6 (19:29):
Congrect Oh whyfe and I I did it first, and
we have the ultimate before picture. We were at Death
Valley in front of the Death Valley side.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Oh wow, and.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
She's seventy pounds up here, I'm fifty pounds.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Wow, that's amazing.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
Is that amazing? Right?

Speaker 6 (19:46):
And my after picture is with mem Andaz on the
OZ show. Wow, and hers is golfing.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
She just hit a bird.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
I love that. That's incredible.

Speaker 6 (19:56):
Yeah no, And that's part of what led.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
Me into working with the NFL alumni in this program.

Speaker 6 (20:02):
And I think what people need to hear is the
kind of things that people encounter. But for me, learning
how to hydrate was the single most important behavioral change
in my life. And I even learned when you binge eat,
the most important thing you do is hydrate is it'll

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keep it from going into your fat. Because you've got
the science basis, we can take it up a notch today.
So the thermogenic effect of foods was by the way,
my majors were psychology and exercise physiology, right, so instrigued
by this stuff.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
Right.

Speaker 6 (20:37):
So what people don't know is takes twenty to thirty
percent of the energy in protein to be able to
digest that food, whereas carbohydrates it's about ten percent and
fat is one to three percent, which is like, oh,
that's why I get breathed and it goes because people
don't realize. So when you do over what I do

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is I a lot, and it helps keep it from
converting to fat.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yes. The other thing about hydrating is it will just
keep you full. It's like a really nice it's a
nice way just to fill up your stomach.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's if at the very least one thing that I
always say, people struggle. Oftentimes they say, how do I
stop boredom eating or boredom snacking? Or how do I
know the difference with if I'm hungry or not? It's
a funny question nowadays, which is it's like one hundred
years ago, no one would be like, am I hunger
or not? If it's like what a world we live

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in now where it's like, but now when there's a
plethora of food, which is a blessing, it's okay, am
I hunger or am I not hungry? I have a
very simple test I called the apple test. And I'll
give a clarification in a second, but very simple ask you,
are you hungry enough to eat an apple? If there
was an apple in front of you, would you eat
it or not? And if the answer is no, you're

(21:55):
not hungry enough to eat an apple, then you're not hungry,
you're just bored. It's very simple and then people are
was like, what if I don't like apples, then pick
a different fruit that you actually do. It could be cantalopic,
could be kiwi. I don't care. If you're not hungry
enough to eat a piece of fruit, then you're not
really hungry. And so it's a very simple test. And
then for me, one of the ways that we always

(22:16):
keep apples in the house mainly because I like apples,
but it works with any fruit. If I'm about if
I'm feeling a little snacky, I'll have the fruit first,
and if after the fruit, I still want the snack, great,
I'll go for it. But usually once I've had the fruit,
I would say probably seven seven out of ten times,
once I have the fruit, I'm done, I don't want anymore.

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Three out of ten times I'll still have a little snack,
which is better than ten out of ten times going
straight for the snack. And so that's where number one
you're getting into better habit and establishing better behavior. And
number two is you're removing this all or nothing in
mindset because a lot of people think they can never
have the snack. It's not about never have it, it's
about I would rather listen seventy percent of the time

(23:01):
I'm having the fruit and I'm calling it. Thirty percent
of the time, I'll have the fruit, a little bit
of the snack, and I'm good. It's not a do
or die situation, which I've found to be very helpful.

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Ult Processed foods.

Speaker 6 (30:33):
Are the most difficult thing right now to avoid, yes,
because they are literally everywhere. Yes, And sadly they're addictive.
Remember you're too young, but you used to have a
commercial with Lais but you can't eat just one oh yeah, yeah,
they let the cat out of the bag because they
actually had said we're going to make you an addict

(30:55):
for this ultra process food and they give you carbs
and fats and the bango tastes so good out of
salt bango and then like you're drinking well, yes, one
the other going in there, yeah, which is I think
it's really important for people to understand the great thing
about an apple. It's got a lot of fiber it is,

(31:17):
and and water.

Speaker 5 (31:19):
It's got a lot of water.

Speaker 6 (31:20):
So it's all about making smart choices about the food
you eat because it's.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
In the train to maintain mode.

Speaker 6 (31:30):
How do you do that? You've got that's the key.
It isn't just losing weight one hundred and fifty ways.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
To lose weight.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Correct.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
You know, I live the rest of my life at.

Speaker 6 (31:38):
That exactly exactly, because and again, those are things you
have to learn, and those are behaviors that you have
to mold and change and grow based on. And I
love the apple bottel because I heard that before. But
it's a great it's great, it's eat an apple. You
just your mouth is humbly, like my roommate college used
to say.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
My mouth is on Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
You know he wants a snack for no other reason.

Speaker 7 (32:05):
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
It's the thing with processed foods. There's a lot of
things we could tell their entire books, we could write
about it, but number one thing people don't understand is
companies spend and when I say this is not an exaggeration,
hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars scientifically engineering
these foods to make them hyper satiating as a hyper

(32:28):
palatable excuse me, in which like, they literally spend millions
and millions of dollars trying to figure out what is
the most tasty, the most difficult to put down. They
pay people to come in and run focus groups and
research to figure out what are they going to eat
the most of what are they going to eat even
past the point of fullness? And even equally as crazy,

(32:50):
they change it based on geographic locations, so they know
that people in southern United States will respond to foods
differently than those who are eating it in life London,
and so like they they literally if you travel the world,
you'll see there's different foods and flavors, Like coke is
different in Mexico than it is the United States. Ships

(33:10):
are different, flavor profiles are different. You go to McDonald's
in in a different country, they have different items on
the menu, and it's because flavor profiles are different based
on where you live. So they spend hundreds of millions
of dollars specifically to make it more addicting. That's number one.
Number two is there's a real double whammy problem here.

(33:31):
It's like I said, it's hyper palatable, and you had
mentioned the fat salt carb combo. It also works with fat,
so fat salt carbon also works with fat sugar carb,
so like ice cream for example, So it were sweet
stuff and salty stuff. Those two make it very difficult, which,

(33:53):
by the way, peanut m and ms you get both right,
you get the sweet and the salty, or like chocolate
covered pretzels, sweet and salty. It's designed to get you
to eat more and more. Now, so that's the first problem,
is the hyper palatable. But it's also hYP bo satiating,
which means that when people hear about empty calories, that's

(34:15):
what it's talking about.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
It.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
It's like you get a lot of calories and you
don't get full from it. And that's a huge problem,
which is one of the reasons I like the apple test,
because if you eat an apple, you're gonna get pretty full,
or at least reduce the urge to binge for about
eighty calories. That way, you'll fill up more with the

(34:37):
fiber and with the water content. And then even if
you have the snacks, you will inherently reduce how much
you'll eat because you've already filled up a little bit.
So it's a real struggle, and I very much understand it.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
I think you couple that with hybration.

Speaker 6 (34:51):
To your point, if you add a couple of water
before you eat, then then you've really triple whammate it.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yes, And it's.

Speaker 6 (34:57):
Not because a lot of times when you're thirsty you
think you're anger and you're just thirsty. Yes, that's the
first layer. And then to your point, I love the
apple and then wait a minute, I hit it with
both those.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
I don't really need that other stuff a big chug
at the time. Meanwhile, you got to have your ice
cream once a lot. That's dope.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, he's got nothing giving it exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (35:22):
You know what I've learned to do is I've got
zero sugar yogurts, yep, and that can put me off.
Happen to have ice cream or something sugary.

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah, right, have one of those.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, even something like a diet
coke for example, Like the research on that is overwhelmingly
clear that it can help reduce sugar cravings for zero calories,
zero sugar, which is it's absolutely wonderful. And I know
there's a lot of hate against artificial sweeteners, but to date,
there's no research in humans showing they're dangerous. That all

(35:57):
the research is actually on mice. And the amount of
artificy sweeteners they give them would be the equivalent of
about fifteen cans of diet soda per day, So unless
drinking fifteen cans of diet coca day. And also your
a mouse would have very different metabolic processes than us,
and you're probably good. So having like one can help
produce a sweet craving is actually very beneficial.

Speaker 6 (36:18):
You're going to die from self that nobody gets out
a lot exactly.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Yeah, big. But by the way, I always laugh when
the people are like shit talking aspartame or getting really
mad at It's like, meanwhile, they're drinking whiskey or wine
or some more of alcohol. I'm like, alcohol is a
legitimate which, by the way, I love drinking, like I
drink with my wife. It's fine, but it's ironic that

(36:43):
they're calling aspertain poison while they're drinking an actual carcinogen that,
like alcohol is among the worst things you can put
in your body.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
It also stars oxygen the brain and all those.

Speaker 6 (36:59):
Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, I drank since about two years
ago and they.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Oh wow, congrat both journey.

Speaker 6 (37:06):
Anyway, for me, it was like an awakening. Wasn't near
any voices or anything. But it's like, huh, it's a
bait and switch.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
It's a bait and switch.

Speaker 6 (37:16):
Take a drink, you'll calm down. Take a drink, you'll
be happy. Take a drink and make friends, take a break,
you get late, take you drink.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
Whatever it is, i'lcohol.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
They get that though, Man, this isn't.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
You look at the composition. It's sugar. Yeah, was average
glass of wine is.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
Like ten or fifteen things of sugar. In terms of
a sugar compound, it's a lot.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
And you know what you.

Speaker 6 (37:40):
Start looking at you going, wait a minute, Oh, and
that puts calories into your diet.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yes, yeah, there's a lot of calories.

Speaker 6 (37:46):
You'll famble that in all of a sudden you put
a thousand galleries in there.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
You didn't know yet.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
There's also there's interesting research done around alcohol and food consumption.
There are two groups, and the college students love this
because one group got to drink. One group did that
game beer pong. One group had beer and the other
group had water in their cups, and so one group
was drinking the beer and the other group was drinking
the water. The group drinking the beer had way more fun.

(38:14):
They also ate way more calories. And what they found
is not only do you lose your inhibition or get
reduced to inhibition, you also your ability to get the
sensation of fullness diminishes. Radically, whereas as you and I know,
when we're drinking water, you get more fully. So this

(38:36):
group that was only drinking water, they were stuffed. They
ate next to no calories because they were so full
from drinking all the water. But the group that was
playing beer pong with beer, they could eat a lot
because they even though they were drinking the fluids, they
were not feeling as full. It was very interesting. The
calories from the beer and the calories from the food

(38:57):
was very double.

Speaker 6 (38:59):
Yeah, exactly, fu Yeah, I remember those days.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
Yeah, No, that's good.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
Listen, this is great in terms of like your general
kind of way you go about taking on a new
pliant walk me through that. And because I know you
have two tracks, you have the group track and you
got the personal tra which is unusual.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
It's great. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
So candidly, I am not accepting one on one clients
right now. I have a one and a half year
old daughter, god willing, I have another daughter on the
way in August. I've got a puppy, and I've stopped
taking one class for the time being just because it's
a little too much. So I'm only doing into the group,
which I call my inner circles. A membership and it's

(39:44):
number one. It's way more affordable, but it has literally
everything someone could need, literally everything. It has workout programs.
Whether you can only walk, like that's your starting point, amazing.
We have just that. We have walking programs, strength training
programs for body weight just if you only have access
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so everything from an exercise perspective is taken care of.

(40:05):
As soon as you're in. We calculate your calories, your protein,
your fiber for you, so you have that right on
your home screen. We've got recipes that are in there.
We've got literally like a massive group community with people
and encouraging group community, and so I would just go
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You can join right there. We've got mobility programs, we've
got accountability counters, a place where you contract your weight.
We've got a nutrition track or you contract your calories,
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one everything you need. It's my life's work. I've dedicated
everything to it. It's been a blessing because I get
to there are people all over the world from many

(40:47):
countries all over the world, and it's how I can
meet and help so many people. And it's also how
I support my family, my wife, my kids. It's been
an amazing blessing in my life. And if anyone joins it,
then I would love to have you, And if not,
I hope you get my free information because I give
away everything for free.

Speaker 6 (41:01):
Anyway, what how long does a person usually sign up?

Speaker 1 (41:06):
So the minimum amount you can sign up for us
three months, so it's either a quarterly or annually option.
Obviously the annually get a little bit of a better deal.
It's the minimum possible is three months. But I would
say the average is between like ten to fifteen months.
Is whereas people the average I've had I started it
in twenty fifteen, so I have some people who have

(41:28):
been in the group since two thousand who have joined
it and then they are in it for a quarter,
but average is between like ten to fifteen months.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
Wow, that was where I was going.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
It takes about a year to really change your certain behaviors.
You don't really make them habits if you give up
too quick. Correct, And it's that's a great number. Actually,
that's a really good number.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Ten I used to early on in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen,
I used to offer a monthly membership and people still
ask me for it, but I stopped doing that because
I realized when people sign up for something for one month,
they have a feeling that they're supposed to make insane
amounts of progress in one month. So then by the
time week two rolls around and they're not where they

(42:12):
feel like they should be, then they end up quitting.
Which is why I made it a quarterly option, just
because they're in it for at least three months, and
by the end of the second month, they've really stuck
with it. They've made some really good progress by the
end of the second month, and so then that's when
they'll extend offing at the annual option. But I completely
agree it takes a year to really be like, wow,
I've made some big changes in my life.

Speaker 6 (42:34):
So the typical person, who are they setting up a
week goal and are they using a particular method?

Speaker 14 (42:42):
I have it.

Speaker 15 (42:43):
I have.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
I had my app developer design the app, but using
my calculation, they come in they establish their goal, whether
it's if it's weight loss or if it's weight maintenance,
or if it's weight gained depending on the person. So
if you're doing weight loss, you just tap weight loss,
you say your current weight and what your goal. Wait is,
give us more information, and then we tell you are cool.
Is your chloric range, here's your protein range, and here

(43:06):
is your fiber range. And then you can also set
it up if you want to either eat the same
number of calories every day or if you like many people,
they tend to eat more calories on the weekend fewer
calories during the week just because of work. But you
can structure however you want. So if you want to
do a calorie cycling approach, you just hit a button
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(43:29):
Sunday you have this many calories, and your net total
at the end of the week is still in an
appropriate amount for you to lose weight sustainably. So everything
is customized to you. The only thing that's not customized
is the workouts, which are for the entire group. But
there's a massive exercise database that I've spent years and
years filming with many hundreds, close to a thousand exercise videos.

(43:49):
And if there's an exercise in the program that you
can't do, and the app you just hit a button
swap it out for another exercise and those extra it's
not random exercises. So when you hit swap, I went
through one by one and shows all appropriate exercise substitutions
for that exercise. When you're picking it, you're not a
randomly picking a different exercise. You're picking exercise that also
works those muscle groups. And yeah, it's I've spent almost

(44:12):
ten years now making this and it's it's still not
where I want it to be. We still have a
lot of improvements, but it's isn't my life's work.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
That's great.

Speaker 6 (44:21):
One of our key advisors, doctor Holly Lofton, trained me
on something that wasn't People plateau a lot of times
when their weight loss. I did, and what she explained
is that she asked people start at about one hundred
and fifteen minutes a week of some moderate exercise. Then
you step it up.

Speaker 5 (44:40):
So as you're losing weight, you're stepping up your activity
level because you can.

Speaker 6 (44:44):
Then, because you have less weight, you're burning less correct
your dase metabolic rate is lowers, exactly, I'll be able
to address it to the weight is of course, you
increase your your activity level.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Correct?

Speaker 6 (44:57):
Is that a similar approach to you take or you
have a spin on.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
That, so it's a very similar approach. The main thing
is we need to distinguish between a normal plateau and
a I would say a sustained plateau, and maybe a
better phrase would be an acute plateau versus a chronic
plateau would probably a better way to put it. Acute

(45:21):
plateaus are normal, And just because you have an acute
plateau for a week or two weeks, even three or
four weeks, doesn't you needed to change anything. It's normal
for your weight to not go down every single week,
even every couple of weeks. The way I frame it is,
if you lost one pound a week, every single week,
that's fifty two pounds in a year and two years,

(45:41):
as one hundred and four pounds and three years, like
it just goes on and on. Not everyone has that
much weight to lose, But if you're the scale, it's
not logical, like some days you might not eat very
much and the scale could spike up the next day
for any number of reasons. So some people are too
quick to say this is a plateau and they need
to make a change. So I completely agree with the

(46:01):
women you're speaking about. We're just a little bit slower
to initiate that change because if you make too many
changes too quickly, it will often become unsustainable and you'll
reach a point of activity that is very difficult to
continue to do. So I've noticed through tracking literally thousands
and thousands of people's weight charts, most people don't have

(46:22):
they don't need to make a change until they've experienced
at least like five to ten acute plateaus. And that's
when they have their first chronic plateau. And that's when
we can say, okay, now we can either adjust your
caloric and take or adjust your activity level based on
you've lost this much weight. Now we need to make
it change. But most people, they get to their first
or second or third plateau and they're like, I need

(46:44):
to reduce my calories more, or I need to do
more running, or need to do more. No, just keep going,
don't quit, just keep doing everything the same. I promise
it will move. And then they do that for a week,
two weeks, three weeks, boom, their weight drops a couple
pounds and they believe in the process. But most people
are too quick to make that change.

Speaker 5 (47:01):
Interesting.

Speaker 6 (47:03):
Yeah, that's the more people understand this is really behavioral change. Yes, correct,
because then they're realizing this is the other thing we're
looking at a lot is body composition.

Speaker 9 (47:14):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (47:14):
Cause now with these new drugs, and i'd love for
you to go into that a bit.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
And I'm sure you're.

Speaker 6 (47:20):
Coaching some people on drugs, yeah, a lot using Yeah,
so please take it away.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
So they're listen. As I'm sure you could probably tell.
I'm not a very black and white person. There's a
lot of nuance to everything. There are some people who
these drugs make sense for and they can actually help
improve their health and their quality of life. There are
other people who these drugs are an absolutely horrible idea for,
and they're becoming more of a fad and something to

(47:48):
do because you want to lose a few pounds, and
it's not a good idea. The people who it makes
the most sense for are the people with chronic, chronic,
chronically high levels of body fat to the point where
and especially where they it's negatively affecting there not only
their physical health, but their mental health, their emotional health.
And one of the major issues with chronic high levels

(48:09):
of adapacity of body fat is the toll it takes
on your joints. And so if I can get someone
to lose weight so that they can start walking and
moving more, it just initially amazing. That's what I need
to make happen, because just little bits of walking make
a huge difference from a physiological level. There are some
uses in which it makes total sense and others in

(48:30):
which it doesn't. I would say it's what's better than
these drugs is these drugs plus actual lifestyle habit changes.
If you're just taking the drugs, you're not changing your
actual lifestyle. It's a big problem. If you're just taking
the drugs and you're not strength training and getting enough protein,
it's a big problem. If you're just taking the drugs

(48:51):
and relying on them to do all the work for you,
it is a big problem. Nothing is going to be
better than also incorporating lifestyle change. And it's a real
important question that you have to ask yourself do you
want to stay on them forever? And the only person
who can answer that is you. It's a very individual
question that to speak with you and your doctor and Frank,
they would encourage you to get multiple opinions from multiple doctors,

(49:12):
not just one. There are many reasons why, but they
can be off of it. Just so you know, I
forget their website name, but if you google it, there's
a website where you can go and search your doctor
or any doctor and see how much money they've taken
from pharma. And if they're making hundreds of thousands of
dollars year off of pharma, it might be worthwhile saying
do I want to be getting my advice from this doctor?
Should I go to someone else, to another doctor that's

(49:34):
making either no money or very little money from pharma,
it's worthwhile. But all this information is freely available to
the public, which I think is important for you to know,
and I think a good doctor will tell you about it.
But anyway, the unfortunately the nuanced answer is for some
people it's the right decision, and for some people it's not.
And the only one who can really make that decision
is you and your doctor.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
I think you're right. I think different doctors have different
points of view and frankly different levels of training.

Speaker 6 (50:01):
Yeah, and just because they have an MD buying their
name or d O doesn't mean they know anything about Indian.
This correct it's exactly right, and so I don't All
I would add is it isn't just doctors you need
you to speak to ye. Yeah, that you can get.
And again it's not we have any kind of deficit

(50:25):
in our bodies for these things, right. It is instead
we're you know, we're going to die from something. And
what I would say is people have morbid obesia or
chronic obesity, was.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
Something like gbil one.

Speaker 6 (50:39):
Is the consent is their risk for diabetes, or risk
for art disease, or risk for cancer, urban neuropathy, and
a whole slew of other things.

Speaker 5 (50:49):
Huge.

Speaker 6 (50:49):
Okay, you've got risks here, but at risk and reward.
It's a lot of risk over here. Yes, I mean,
I'm right about it, But that seems to my point
of view is that people when they do that, but
a casual person wants.

Speaker 5 (51:02):
To lose ten bounds.

Speaker 6 (51:03):
Someone no, and if you're not your point, even if
you go on, if you don't change your behavior. And
that's why a coach is so valuable, That's why train
is sobey because then you can establish new habits. Then
if you want to taper off, you can do that.
And I've talked to some doctors and they say, listen,
I have patience to do that. But then when they

(51:24):
hit their goals, they extend their period of time between
treat doses yep, where they have a minimal dose. And
that's that again, if that's what keeps you on your gain,
then that's the right way to do it.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (51:39):
And so to your point, you need to shop your doctor,
those who've had a lot of experience with it, those
who want to be involved with you, because that's the
other party.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
Somebody put you on a medication of that hype. They've
really got to be invested in you. It isn't a
casual thing. Things you need to know and there'll be
changes in your body. You need to be aware and
they can if they're into it. The huge help. Doctor
Lawton is a doll and she's there. I should be
in an n YU.

Speaker 6 (52:05):
She's there to keep people off at all possible, not
needing surgery. So her whole role is to take is
to treat patients but prior to any kind of surgical
invention and see intervention and see if they should.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
Need no more where they need to be.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
I love that.

Speaker 6 (52:20):
But she results had child o obesity and yeah, so
you a genuine place.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
I love that well out all right, Jordan, this has
been weekly listen. Obesity is a medical condition, not a
character flaw. I hope that you found this podcast helpful
and make sure you go to tackleobc dot com. And
the most important thing again is to remember that no
matter what, you can make a change. You can do this.
It's not gonna be easy, it's not gonna be quick,

(52:47):
but as long as you stick with it and you
don't quit, you'll be able to achieve the results you want.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
Thank you got the real, the all and I really
appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Thank you, Thank you, Russ. I appreciate you.

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