July 17, 2025 • 48 mins
904-377-1196 text Magnolia Behavioral Wellness https://magnoliacellpatch.com/Pattigillianowellness.com Join my guest Sally Saxon JD author of Covid19Vaccines&Beyond. We discuss the facts, the lies, the misinformation. Learn impacts on all, the military, VAERS reports, governing bodies, corruption, how deep does this web go. Learn how to get information, treat vax injury and get to the truth. You will not want to miss . call or text in with questions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hey, Hey, good afternoon, and happy Thursday, and welcome to
another live episode of Wellness Uncensored. My name's Patty g
I'm a psychiatric nurse practitioner. I'll tell you all about
how that came to be in just a couple of seconds,
but I want to welcome you guys back. I also
wanted to thank one of our folks who tuned in
last week. We had some amazing conversation talking about how
(00:54):
to take care of yourself, not to be fooled or
deceived by the mainstream media and some of the economic
things that have been going on in the country, and
really staying aware and providing good self care. And I
didn't get to the whole list of people who had commented,
but it was just so refreshing to hear people just
kind of say, you know, keep this lady safe, because
(01:15):
I do love to share things that you're not always
going to find out there on the mainstream. I wish
it were, but until they want to give me a call,
you know, instead of being Joe Rogan, I'm just going
to Patty g and bring you timely, lively, and really
very informative information of things. And just so some of
our newer viewers know, this whole show started because they
(01:35):
didn't kill me with COVID, but they sure damn near
tried and had a lot of crazy stuff happen. I
survived the use of m DE severe findly known as
death of ear. And while I was out in my travels,
we were just at a recent event in West Palm Beach,
the Thrive Mission, to talk about vaccines, vaccine injured, and
(01:55):
all the things that have gone on with many folks
across the country being either imprisoned or just mistreated or misaligned,
right down to medical immunity and the medical community of
being able to prescribe practices that they feel are necessary
and safe. So I did get to meet Sally Saxon,
(02:17):
and she is an attorney that wrote a fabulous book
alongside two physicians, and I wanted to bring her on
today so we can talk a little bit more about
what she lends to the journey of all the questions
that people have out there, what happened in the last
four or five years, and you know, as no accident.
So many of us have come together in the last
(02:39):
several years trying to find answers, trying to get good
medical help, trying to realize that so many people, we
were all deceived. And I know Sally's got a lot
of great stuff to share with us. So if we
can pull her back from the studio there, she is welcome,
and thanks so much for joining, Sally. I really enjoyed
getting to talk with you and meet you with the
(03:00):
the event. So here we are today. Yeah, you can
tell us a little bit about you.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Okay, thank you first, Thanks so much, Patty. It was
great to meet you as well. And you know, I
think it's kind of one of those divine appointments, and
we both had things to share with each other that
I think helped to expand both our minds. And so
I really appreciate your book and your podcast and all
(03:28):
that you have done because you have such a unique perspective,
both from the standpoint of being a healthcare professional for
several decades and having been a patient in the hospital.
You know, so that that gives you a very unique
perspective that's I think important to the in this whole conversation.
(03:51):
But yeah, I got into this kind of accidentally. I
would say. I grew up in a I was hold
of a lot of professionals. My father was a family
doctor and general surgeon, my mother was a nurse, and
my other siblings kind of went on to either you know,
(04:14):
Mary somebody, or go into some other aspects of health care.
So there are several doctors in our family that myself
and some of the others went to law school instead.
But I grew up with this real sense of you know, freedom,
(04:36):
truth and those you know, conservative principles, but you know,
the Constitution, and my dad really drilled those things into us.
And so at one point back in twenty twenty, I
had written a book called Globalists on Trial, The Hidden
Agenda to Destroy America from Within, And then in late
(04:59):
twenty twenty one I started to update and expand that.
But then the process and part of that expansion was
going to be adding a chapter on COVID, like COVID
the Scam, and another chapter on the shots. Well, in
the course of my research, I kept discovering more and
more and how bad these shots were and how much
(05:22):
we'd been deceived, and I thought, oh my goodness, and
I thought people need to know about this. So I
I started putting together what I intended to be just
a relatively short report that I could run off on
my laser printer and distribute it locally, you know, to
doctors and other healthcare professionals, you know, to warn them.
(05:47):
And uh. And then as I kept doing more research,
I kept finding out more and more and more, and
how how many rabbit holes there were, and how deep
the rabbit holes went, and how gross the was, and
and the extent of deception and lies it was. Just
I was flabbergasted. So my little report kept expanding and expanding,
(06:12):
uh and uh, you know, from a smaller booklet to
a larger booklet. And and then at that point I thought,
you know what, I really should get some critique from
a healthcare professional, like a doctor or somebody. If if
I can find somebody who would read something like this
and and give me some honest, you know, critique of it. Uh.
(06:35):
And then so my uh, senior pastors at my church
knew of a doctor in the area who was involved
in like the freedom medical freedom you know movement, and
they thought, you know, she might be willing to help.
So I contacted her, that was doctor de big Leone,
and uh she said, oh, I'd like to show this
(06:57):
to my friend, doctor Jim Thorpe too, uh you know,
so send me an extra copy. So I did, and
they read it and it's like, oh my, yeah, you know,
this woman wants help. You know, are we willing to help?
And they both agreed that yeah, yeah, let's help her.
So that's how we got you know, connected, And and
(07:18):
then you know, they uh added some things and and
I added more, and you know, Jim had suggested we
submit this to a an online medical journal, uh you know,
divided into you know, three or four big parts, because
by that time it was getting rather long. And and
(07:39):
so we did that. But then we ended up with,
you know, you know something that we realized we've got
a book here. So then uh, Jim and Deb started
giving the uh sending the manuscript to some of their
doctor colleagues, uh and others, and we started getting all
(07:59):
these uh uh endorsements back, you know, like from Peter
McCullough and Mary Tally Bowden and doctor Brian Artists and
and Jeff Childers, uh, John Witcher, you know, and several others,
doctor Richard Bartlett and so forth. And so it was like,
oh my, Steve kersh And it's like, how did it
(08:24):
all is? And and so that's kind of how got
into it for me, you know, being a lawyer, you know,
I'm looking at the evidence and and one of the
things I encourage people to do because obviously we know
there's a lot of people who just aren't looking at
(08:45):
the evidence. They haven't looked at the evidence on both sides.
They they only believe what they hear on the corporate
media through the government and all the miss the real misinformation. Uh.
And so for me, it's like I just encourage people, like,
pretend you're on jury duty, you know, and if you're
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on a jury, you need to look at both sides
of the evidence. And like I'm sure you know, Patty,
there's a familiar proverb that says, the first one to
present their case seems right until someone comes along and
cross examines them. And so it's like, you wonder, yeah,
(09:27):
so the corporate media has presented just one side of
the case, and I don't know that people realize that
people aren't you know, in this movement with US, I
don't know if they realize how much massive censorship there's
been on all these topics like you were referring to
(09:50):
earlier in the program, that things you're not supposed to
talk about, but you know. And so I encourage people
like even to consider, if you are a defendant in
a trial, either civil or criminal, how would you want
your jury to consider, you know, all the evidence. You
(10:11):
would not want the jury just to listen to the prosecutor,
you know, or the planeff's attorney and then make up
their mind, you know, on that basis. You'd want them
to listen carefully to you know, the evidence on the
other side. And when you do that. Here's kind of
what I've found because when I was doing my Globalist
(10:31):
on trialbook, I was also uh doing extensive research on
several other highly controversial issues. And now I got the
COVID many controversial issues concerning COVID, you know, say and
effected or not. And what I have found is, over
(10:52):
many years of looking at different controversial, major controversial issues,
to me, uh, it the the case. If you're looking
at these issues from the standpoint of the weight of
the evidence, it's not even a close case, and not
just on the COVID vaccine issue, but you know where
(11:15):
the weight of the evidence is so strongly showing that
these are not safe or effective. In fact, they're very
dangerous and among the most dangerous things. So and it's
like that on so many other issues. If you actually
look at the evidence, there's not even a close call.
(11:35):
And the importance of that is if people actually looked
at the evidence and knew how to weigh the evidence,
not just claims that something is true, but the actual
evidence supporting, you know, those claims. If there is any evidence,
then that's part of the problem because on a lot
of issues they're they're pulling stuff out of in there
(11:58):
there is.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
No Yeah, Bauci said six feet and then he kind
of recant that and said, well, you know, six ft
was just something we came up with. You know, in
your book you mentioned four key issues, and I'm not
gonna I won't give away all the stuff, but you know,
the four key issues you just kind of touched on
was were the vaccines even necessary? Are they safe? Have
(12:19):
they been effective? What's the big picture that the whole
COVID nineteen uh saga fits into, is that crucial to
understanding what's really going on with the world. You know,
this is Sally's book. Where can people get this book too?
I just want to make sure we send them the
right direction.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Do we sure?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Where do we go for the book?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well, they can give it on Amazon or on my
book website. The CV book dot com. CV stands for
COVID vaccine, So the cbbook dot com dot com.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Okay, so that's the book up there. Books. If you
can see it, if you're driving, take a picture of it.
It's on Amazon. But it's interesting. Sally's book I could
not put down. And you know, because I was live
and really down in the trenches of this whole thing unfolding,
you know, like we were talking about Sally. You know,
I had decades of working in healthcare, primarily in the
(13:15):
operating room. I was very up on infectious control, sterile technique,
and from the very underpinnings of when this all unfolded
in like January February of twenty twenty, the whole thing
smelled like a rat, tasted like a rat, and I
knew it was a rat. And the evidence we didn't
get the other side. All we got were edicts and
(13:35):
mandates the guidance as it came from the CDC, and
you know you mentioned that your book too, like the
whole Part one session talks about the evidence about the
injections they're not true vaccines. Part two is on evidence
related to safety and the degree of nature that results
from the COVID shop, and then three and four talk
about what is the evidence to efficient or effective evidence
(13:59):
and then heart for is more on the bigger picture
and that all things COVID fit into and explains a
lot of different things about controversies, DNA, undisclosed ingredients. So
so let's talk more about like what did you guys
find and what are some of the things that you
think it's worthwhile people know so that they can get
(14:20):
your book and learn it all.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Okay, Yeah, well, first of all, yeah, I kind of
I think that the big picture is one of the
most important things. And by big picture, you know, I'm
talking about there's an agenda behind all this because there's
certain things, like you found and you talked about in
(14:44):
your book, certain things just did not make sense at all.
I mean, you know, common sense was out the window.
You know, just all the normal things that healthcare professionals
used to do. We're out the window just you know,
nothing made sense and and so you know, the reason
the big picture is important is because going forward now
(15:08):
you know from here on, what are we facing and
what do we need to know that will help prepare
us to make better decisions not only for ourselves and
our families, but also as a nation, because we cannot.
I don't believe that we as a nation, we cannot
afford to have a significant percentage of the population be
(15:33):
unaware and uninformed because there is a war going on here,
you know, and as route it's a spiritual war, but
it's our own government waging war against us. And they
in you know, working together with big pharma, big business,
big tech, et cetera, et cetera, you know, are all
(15:55):
doing their part to weaken us, destroy us, you know,
kill us, control us in every way.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And people don't really I don't think people really realize that,
like this whole vaccine saga is a biological weapon. I
had a scientist one who spoke about it. And what's
in the vac or the shot, what's in the shot,
what's in some of the other shots, what's out there
you know, in food and all these things and you're right, Like,
(16:25):
have you come across many people that are starting to
wake up like it really is? It's a global there.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
There are I think in the last few years a
lot of people have woken up to this, but they
or to the fact that, oh, these shots were not
so safe and effective after all, and why are all
these people around us dying? And why are you know,
all these strange things like especially in the healthcare community.
(16:54):
I mean there's still you know, there were especially after
the shots rolled out, there were people coming in, young
people and working age people coming in with old age
problems like how did this happen?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Broke aneurysm, blood clots, all that stuff, sudden death.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, And you know, as much as we would love
to put COVID behind us, there's at least a couple
main reasons why we can't. One of them being that
there's still so many people who are still suffering from
either long COVID or COVID shot you know, injuries, and
you know, not to mention the families that have been
(17:35):
devastated by their family members who died, you know, after
the shots, or or people who didn't survive the hospital protocols.
So there's still a lot of healing, physical, mental, and
so forth, that we can't just push that aside and
said well and say that, well the emergency is over. Well,
(17:58):
emergency might be over, but the effects of it are
fire from over. But also, as I said, going forward,
there there's so much stuff in in the book about
so many lives, so many misrepresentations, even fraudulent I would say, uh,
(18:19):
so many deceptions in so many ways. It just boggles
your mind that they could think of so many things.
And you know a lot of people are going to
have trouble getting their their minds around the uh, the
issue of why, you know, why would they do this,
(18:40):
like why like in the hospitals, why would they continue
these protocols that aren't working if they're just killing people,
especially when there's other things that doctors outside the hospitals
are helping their patients with to recover, I mean, and
and so you know, when when you inject the issue
of their being a much bigger agenda that's driving all
(19:03):
these these decisions, all these actions and mandates and other
and pushing the vaccine, why they're so hell bent on
getting this vaccine in every arm. When you start looking
that at that, and you look at especially certain pieces
of evidence. You know, it starts to become clear that
(19:24):
they're doing this intentionally, and that's what people have the
most trouble, it seems, getting their head around why would
our own governments be waging war against us and be
seeking to harm us and kill us? And that's part okay,
So I get into that in this book and what
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that bigger agenda is and the fact that there's evil
in the world. But I'm working on a second book
now which goes into deeper down that rabbit hole and
explains were about that, you know, people, because people just
can't imagine that their own government would seek to intentionally
(20:07):
harm them. But when you understand, you know the concept
of evil and what the agenda is, and why these
people who are in control of this agenda ultimately at
the top, why you know what's driving them, then you
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can start to connect the dots and you know, and
answer those why questions. And that's what I think is
so important for people to understand. But the foundation of
that is knowing how much they've lied. What have they
lied about it? What are the strategies and tactics they
(20:48):
use to deceive people on a massive basis that has
led to things like, you know, the whole COVID era
that we've just been through, you know how, because we
can't afford to have a lot of our people being
deceived again, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
And well, I was going to say, you're right, it's
a deception that has taken layer upon layer, probably over
some lifetimes, that has gotten to this level. And I
think you're right. It has a lot to do with
corporate greed, government control. You know, there's a big spend
for a lot of people across the country, across the globe.
And you know, I'll throw Bill Gates in there. He's
(21:30):
often been you know, paraphrase, it's saying how population control is.
It's an important thing to do. And when you peel
all back, who gets the biggest bang for their buck
if they can make that power play so and it
comes down to big pharma and government and those that
are running the government and those that are in other
positions throughout the world. And I just don't think people generally,
(21:54):
at say the common level, like the rest of us
just doing life, having kids, go into a soccer game,
going grocery shopping. I could imagine that when we go
to the doctor and they say, well, you need these
ninety nine vaccines for your child, how could it not
be safe. That's a doctor, that's a nurse, they recommend
these things, but that's not really what has happened. Yeah, yeah,
and it's m right.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
And I don't think people a lot of people realize,
you know, the motivations and the the way that big
pharma has captured not only government but also the healthcare industry.
And and and this the extent and the nature of
(22:38):
the lies I think is so important. Like, for example,
Peiser in the book, I talk about how Weiser back
in two thousand and nine paid the biggest criminal fine
in US history. It was like two point three billion dollars.
I think that's the B for billion, not M for million.
(23:03):
And and it was for misrepresentation of a drug. And
and then there was fraud involved. And over the years,
Buiser has also been fined for many violations of even racketeering, fraud,
(23:28):
using kids as guinea pigs and trials without parental consent,
bribing doctors, kickbacks, I mean, you name it. And they
just pay the fines because that's just the cost of
doing business. They don't really care about the harm that
their shots are doing uh, and of course with the
(23:49):
PREP Act that you know, gives them liability protection protect
from this. That's whole another thing. But you know, when
you look at issues for example, and this is one
thing that I think helps people to get their head
around the fact that that something is being intentionally done.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
To us is okay.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Before COVID, when there was a new shot like they take,
for example, the swine flu example is one that's often given.
When the swine flu campaign vaccine campaign was carried out
in nineteen seventy six, they after about four hundred cases
(24:41):
of you know, one disease and I think it was
only about twenty five or twenty six deaths that vaccine
was pulled off the market because you know, that was
the way the FDA operated. Those were those standards, and
if you had, you know a certain number of deaths
associated with a product, you had to put a black
(25:03):
box warning on it. And so you know, up until COVID,
if there had been uh, you know, just even several
hundreds of injuries or you know, serious injuries, you know,
or twenty five deaths, it would have been pulled from
the market. Well, with the COVID shots, those thresholds were
(25:24):
reached like in the first month after the rollout. So
here we are, yeah, you know, July twenty twenty five
versus January twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
You know, when the first month passed and they'd already
exceeded that threshold. Why have these shots not been pulled?
You know, so many doctors, as you know, have and
others have called for these shots to be pulled up
the market because they're so dangerous and you know the
and yet they're not. They're just blowing off all these
(26:00):
these huge numbers of deaths and and reports of adverse
reactions to the shots, you know, and we're into the millions,
you now, and and in our book at the time
that was written, you know, there was probably at least
a half a million deaths following the COVID shot and
(26:23):
you know, could have been you know, closer to one
point something million deaths. Well that's a far cry from
you know, twenty five or fifty. Uh. And so when
you when you look at that, like, why, okay, why
(26:43):
have they still been so hell bent on promoting this
and why did they spend over ten eleven, twelve, thirteen
billion dollars to promote you know, the vaccines and pay
money to local leaders, celebrities and others to promote this. Yeah,
(27:05):
I mean that's a lot of money to promote things.
And yet how much money of the vaccine injured got
you know, that'll be in my second book. But they've
got almost nothing, almost nothing. And for actually most of
them have gotten nothing. There have been a few people
have gotten something, but you know, and then and then
(27:27):
you look, so you look at at data like that,
and and for me, that's one of the one of
the main things that reveals the intentionality behind all this
because they refuse to stop it, they refuse to change it.
And in any.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Way, well that's the thing too, you know, and being
in the medical profession and feeling like I was one
of a handful of people across the country at the time,
we were almost duct taped. And to some degree, I
think they still are duct tape because these folks come
from a world in professions where they need their job.
(28:08):
They've got to support their family. And when you work
in an organization, if you don't follow the rules, the guidelines,
the protocols, they make it very difficult for you to
even continue employment. We saw it with all the medical
healthcare workers that were mandated to get the vaccines, because
if they didn't get those folks to comply, how else
were they going to get the rest of the world
to fly. And thank god for so many of us
(28:29):
who stood up and said, no, my body, my choice. Yeah,
one of the questions, you know in this country, you know,
why don't we get the right to choose for our bodies?
And I think that's starting to take some turns in
the right direction. But you're right, it's almost like the
prosecution only got to put their side out. The defense
never got to stand up and say, well, wait a minute,
(28:50):
this is what I know to be true, this is
what I know are the facts. It was all just
pushed off that everything made sense and this was the
safest way to go. People have to really start to
ask questions. Yeah, I think it's important. You know, We've
got a link for one of the nurses who put
up it's www. Dot protocol kills dot com slash patient Documents,
(29:14):
and she's put together a lot of documents that you
can just print off on your own and when you
take yourself to a hospital for a reason that you
might feel the need to go, there are things people
still need to be treated for. But it's a question
of when you go in now you're signing basically all
your rights away. It's even worded in most of the
admission documents that you'll agree to whatever mRNA shot they
(29:37):
want to give you. And well, I don't know if
it's hit every facility. You really need to read the
fine prints. So I encourage people onto that website. It's
at the bottom of our page. It's www. Dot protocol
kills dot com slash patient hyphen documents. Read it. It's
quite an eye opener. But yeah, I mean, sadly, there's
(29:58):
so much that you have in the book. What other
things did you want to share that? I think it's
important for people to hear these things frontline from people
who've done the work to find out the evidence.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, well, yeah, there there's just so many different lives,
like another one concerning the issue of why a vaccine
wasn't even necessary in the first place. One of the
points that we make there is that you know this
claim that that the Pfeiser shot was ninety five percent effective. Okay,
(30:31):
so they sold the public on that. Well, when you
dig a little deeper and to find out what is
that ninety five percent represent you'll see now this is
Pfiser's own trial data. Okay, they showed that if you
didn't do anything at all, no shot at all, your
(30:53):
chance of you know, I guess getting infected was like
less than one percent, like point eight eight percent, zero
point eighty eight percent, so it's less than one percent.
But if you got the shot, those chances got reduced
down to zero point zero four percent. So that reduction
(31:15):
zero point eight eight again less than one percent, reduced
down to zero point zero four is the ninety five
percent reduction. But and that's called a relative risk.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, I forget about the lots, you know, plot strokes,
you know, brain fog, you name it.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, And the FDA specifically says in its regulations that
the manufacturer should not use relative risk reduction in communicating
with the public because it can be very misleading. You
should only use absolute risk reduction. Well, how many people
do you know that would have, you know, reconsidered getting
(31:58):
their shot if they had known that there it's less
than a one percent chance to begin with, and taking
the shot was lowering that to another lower figure, low
one percent. And and yet the FDA let them get
away with that representation because it caused it made people
think that, oh, if I get the shot, I have
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a ninety five percent chance of not getting COVID or
not getting infected, And that's totally not what that number
represents at all. And so they play around with these numbers,
you know, in ways, and the same thing with uh,
like it in the hospitals after the vaccine rollout, Hey
(32:43):
they well yeah, even outside the hospitals, but after the
vaccine rollout, the CDC did not consider a person to
be vaccinated until the fourteenth day, you know, after like
their primary series. You know, well a lot of people
died within those fourteen days after getting their shown and
(33:04):
so but they're considered unvaccinated even though they probably died from.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
From the back.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yet. So again, very they're always playing around with definitions
and manipulating numbers in so many ways. But also, you know,
I think it's important for people to know the different
tactics in ways that they use to deceive people. And uh,
the propaganda, you know, that's that's used by these entities
(33:37):
to deceive because you know, we're facing we're still dealing
with some of these issues of what they're trying to
do to us. To harm us, you know, and coming
out with more and more and the m r N
a platform, and you know why is that dangerous? And
so the book talks about a lot of those dangers.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I like it. Quote the one quote in part two
and folks, I mean, you guys got to really hear
this for what it is from Frederick Douglass. Find out
just what any people will quietly submit to and you
have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which
will be imposed on them. And it's so true. Look
how many people just submitted and for whatever reason they
(34:21):
were scared, they believed their doctor, blindly, you name it. Yeah,
so that's just the beginning.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yeah, And you know, I do want to commend those
who took the shot, believing that they were doing the
right thing for the country and you know, really wanting
to help. I mean they they had, you know, the
good motives, commendable motives, but they were still deceived because
I think if they had known that there were you know,
(34:51):
what the possible consequences might have been. You know, very
few people would have gotten the shot. And we you know,
so I you know, I'm not judging them, and they
were in a terrible place if they were under a mandate.
I mean that was so so un hear, you know,
genuinely going forward now, like I have a friend who
(35:13):
works in a hospital and like this last year and
every year they're mandated to get the flu shot. And
so I was just talking with her again the other
day because last year she got it. Oh she practically
fainted on her way back to her car and she
was terribly sick for three days. So it defeated kind
(35:34):
of the purpose of that. Plus the blue shot is
known to be almost zero effective in the first place.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Absolutely correct, you know. And it's funny too because the
scientists that I've had on regularly, he talks about all
the things. In fact, the twenty nineteen flu shot was
a precursor to help people be more susceptible for this
whole COVID thing. And our dear friend has jumped John.
I want to just give a shout out to Matt.
It's very true, and thanks for joining in.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Matt.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
It's true. The CDC define the vaccine for COVID as
a vaccine scene and it's really not. It's an MRMA
gene mutation type of a shot, so it's really not
a vaccine in the sense of the word very true.
And those people that have had the shot, we want
to help them. You know, that's another part of why
we run this show. Why folks like you know, Attorney
(36:26):
Sally's here is because we want people to get really
good information. And I'm always talking to you about ways
to detoxify and heal the body. If you guys haven't
seen Sally's book, it's up on the screen now if
you want to take a screenshot of it. It's available
on Amazon. It's it's a fantastic book. Man. I'd like
to add a chapter in your next book. We'll have
to combine forces.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah, but actually I could have I added a few
paragraphs that include some things from your book. Oh, I'll have.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah. We just have to continue to get word out.
You know, I fight with people on LinkedIn all the
time because you know, there's a lot of professionals I
must have close to I don't know, three thousand contacts
on LinkedIn, and many of these folks question, I think
you know what the heck happened to Patty Well, Patty
was the one who from Logic and Evidence Based Medicine
practiced for nearly thirty five years when all of this
(37:19):
came out and I started to question as I was
trained to do and from my knowledge of what I
knew was right. And you know, Sally, you mentioned some
of these brilliant providers, the physicians, doctor McCullough, doctor Mary
Tally Bowden. There was a colleague I worked with down
in Key West, doctor Bruce Borrows, board certified cardiologists, and
we were out there screaming at people. You know, here's
(37:41):
what's going on with the pandemic. This was before the
vaccine or the shot got out there, and then even
after and more and more people are still just hearing
these things, so we have to keep talking about it.
That's why I wanted to add you on because this
is a must read. Folks have to get this book.
But yeah, please tell us some more stuff she thinks
important for people to know that we've got to get
(38:03):
out there.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Okay, So you know, when you when you understand, uh,
the extent of the lies and deceptions and the different
strategies that they use to deceive people. Once you're aware
of that, they repeat the same playbook over and over again.
So the next time you see that, like oh uh,
(38:27):
you know, you'll hopefully react respond differently, and like, for example,
the shots that we were just talking about. You know,
I was telling my friend who got the flu got
sick from her flu shot last year. I said, you know,
when that comes around again, I want to encourage you
to be prepared. If you can't get an exemption from it,
(38:48):
you know, I'll help you put together, you know, some
something to show why the flu shot is very ineffective
and dangerous, especially with the new platform, and and hopefully
you know, make a difference. But I think, you know,
when enough people know the facts, then they're more likely
(39:13):
to take action. Especially they're more prepared for you know,
what may come. But one thing that's really important, I
think is for people to band together and like when
they start, if you had, like all the hospital staff
read my book at any given hospital, you know, if
(39:34):
they would do that, they think, oh my gosh, yeah,
their strength in numbers. So what would happen if all
the staff or most of them got together and said, Okay,
no more mandates, You're not taking any more shots, you know,
because especially COVID shots, we can't we can't be sure
of what's in them anymore. But it's not just COVID shots.
(39:56):
Now it's any shots that it's gone over to you know,
this whole platform. So you're playing Russian roulette, you know,
And it's a terrible decision and position to be put in,
to have to decide between keeping your job or taking
an injection that could even kill you or seriously harm you.
(40:19):
I mean, nobody should be put in that position. But
you know, we have the advantage of the public fire
out numbers, people who are involved in promoting this agenda,
and but and so being armed with the facts and
being willing to stand up and just say no, I
(40:40):
will not comply this time if we I mean, that's
where the strength in numbers comes in, if enough people
will do that. But first they have to become aware.
So like you know, I I suggest giving the book
even anonymously, you know, sending it to you know, your doctors,
other healthcare professionals, or our family members or friends or
(41:04):
others that you run into who need to have this information.
You know, even though you can lead a horse of
water and you can't make him drink, you know, but
you never know who's actually going to open it and
find out what's in there. I think we would be surprised,
especially now I think more people are are looking for it,
(41:26):
more people are open to the truth. The truth is
is kind of heavy, but you know, but but the truth,
even with the difficult consequences of it that we've seen,
it's still a lot easier to deal with than the
consequences of being deceived.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, No, I absolutely agree. And you know, one of
our guests is asked about, you know, do you think
we got to this point because how we've been conditioned
to view vaccine is sort of a magic wand and
not at all broke. And I think generally people have
always trusted the medical profession, and within the medical profession,
you know, we tend not to question each other because
(42:10):
we're here to do good. Yeah, but that's where this
all went wrong, because we thought we were doing good.
But when in healthcare, and this was my biggest question
to folks, when in healthcare, have we not thrown the
kitchen sink when someone didn't get better? We didn't just
keep following a same protocol over and over and over again,
and then when someone brought up an idea and said, hey,
(42:32):
how about we try this, they were ostracized, shun told
to not speak, and so you had to stop and
think something must be wrong. What is not you know,
what's wrong with this? And when you look at the
vaccine schedule, you know, we got I think somewhere close
to twelve or seventeen vaccines from birth to adulthood. Now
there's like ninety nine vaccines that are inundating the body.
(42:55):
And you've got to wonder, like, at what point are
we just injecting so much Back to your original point,
this isn't even really a vaccine. Yeah, you know health
care seriously.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Yeah, And it's not about promoting health either. And this
is this is part of the big picture. And you know,
like in the book, you know, talks about you know,
different aspects of the agenda and how you know, the
the global elites. And this is not conspiracy theory. If
(43:30):
you think it's conspiracy theory, uh, read the quote on
page two thirteen. I think it is by David Rockefeller,
who's one of the Uh he's passed away now, but
he wrote a book of.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Oh yeah, sure, let me read it real quick. Okay,
this is it's from David Rockefeller. Some even believe we
are part of his secret cabal working against the best
interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me
as internationalists, and of conspiring with others around the world
to build a more integrated global political and economic structure,
(44:09):
one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I
stand guilty and I am proud of it.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Yeah. In the law, we call that an admission against interest,
when somebody admits something that is not in their best interest.
That's kind of one of the tests, you know, if
you believe that or not. It's like, yes, if somebody
admits something against their interests, that's probably true. So now
you've got one of the icons of one of the
(44:38):
families among the global elites admitting they are conspiring and
they've got this big plan for one world government. And
so what does that mean for each of us if
we because because the people in control, they keep pushing
(44:58):
forward with this. Just because we've had a change of
administration doesn't suddenly stop all that, uh, And so we
need to be alert and aware. And that that's my
big thing is just helping My role in this bigger
picture of the medical Freeman Freedom movement is to help
(45:20):
awaken people and make them aware. So I you know,
so this book is like an overview of a lot
of the key issues revealing what we've been lied to
about about and you know, the bigger picture that all
these lies fit into. Why are they doing this, what's
(45:41):
it leading toward? And why why is that important to us? Well,
if you think we've seen the worst of it so far,
of this agenda, no, I mean it's been bad, but
we haven't seen the worst of it. So that's why
it's so important to not become as well informed as
(46:03):
possible ourselves, but also to wake some other people up,
like take a project upon ourselves to wake just one
other person up, you know, in some way, and by
giving them information. And uh, it's highly documented as well.
So there's over six hundred footnotes, so it's not just
(46:24):
a bunch of opinions or or facts, you know, without documentation.
There's and that's one of the things a lot of
people have said that they really appreciated about.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, especially when people tell me, you know, is it
evidence based? Where's the research? There's so much well well documented,
you know, referenced referenced articles and published journals and all
kinds of stuff. So folks, I can't begin to tell
you enough, you know, And and whatever folks said, Yeah,
it really does seem to be it's about compliance control,
and I think it goes even further deception, money, greed,
(46:59):
and we're just pawns in a power play. Definitely want
to recommend Sally's book. Palie. I can't thank you enough
for being here. We got to have you back because
we're gonna have more questions, So we're going to pick
a time. We'll get Sally back in the couple weeks.
I think that would be fantastic. My book kind of
goes into the detail of what I saw behind the
scenes and when I tried to expose it talks about
(47:19):
my story. Both of them are on Amazon dot Com.
Mine is they call me Harriet and Sally's is the
COVID nineteen vaccines and beyond what the medical industrial complex
is not telling us. So get your copy, come back
on with questions. Sally. Thank you so much. It went
so fast. Yeah, good, so much, Pally. I appreciate. We're
(47:44):
going to talk some more.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Hang tight.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
I'm going to let everybody know we'll be back next Thursday.
I'm going to have a couple of great guests on
and we'll be talking more about what's going on in
the government, what you might not know, what you might
need to know some of the stuff that's out there
with the Truth movement, and I look forward to seeing
you guys have a wonderful weekend. Stay tuned, we'll see
you soon.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hey, Hey, good afternoon, and happy Thursday, and welcome to
another live episode of Wellness Uncensored. My name's Patty g
I'm a psychiatric nurse practitioner. I'll tell you all about
how that came to be in just a couple of seconds,
but I want to welcome you guys back. I also
wanted to thank one of our folks who tuned in
last week. We had some amazing conversation talking about how
(00:54):
to take care of yourself, not to be fooled or
deceived by the mainstream media and some of the economic
things that have been going on in the country, and
really staying aware and providing good self care. And I
didn't get to the whole list of people who had commented,
but it was just so refreshing to hear people just
kind of say, you know, keep this lady safe, because
(01:15):
I do love to share things that you're not always
going to find out there on the mainstream. I wish
it were, but until they want to give me a call,
you know, instead of being Joe Rogan, I'm just going
to Patty g and bring you timely, lively, and really
very informative information of things. And just so some of
our newer viewers know, this whole show started because they
(01:35):
didn't kill me with COVID, but they sure damn near
tried and had a lot of crazy stuff happen. I
survived the use of m DE severe findly known as
death of ear. And while I was out in my travels,
we were just at a recent event in West Palm Beach,
the Thrive Mission, to talk about vaccines, vaccine injured, and
(01:55):
all the things that have gone on with many folks
across the country being either imprisoned or just mistreated or misaligned,
right down to medical immunity and the medical community of
being able to prescribe practices that they feel are necessary
and safe. So I did get to meet Sally Saxon,
(02:17):
and she is an attorney that wrote a fabulous book
alongside two physicians, and I wanted to bring her on
today so we can talk a little bit more about
what she lends to the journey of all the questions
that people have out there, what happened in the last
four or five years, and you know, as no accident.
So many of us have come together in the last
(02:39):
several years trying to find answers, trying to get good
medical help, trying to realize that so many people, we
were all deceived. And I know Sally's got a lot
of great stuff to share with us. So if we
can pull her back from the studio there, she is welcome,
and thanks so much for joining, Sally. I really enjoyed
getting to talk with you and meet you with the
(03:00):
the event. So here we are today. Yeah, you can
tell us a little bit about you.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Okay, thank you first, Thanks so much, Patty. It was
great to meet you as well. And you know, I
think it's kind of one of those divine appointments, and
we both had things to share with each other that
I think helped to expand both our minds. And so
I really appreciate your book and your podcast and all
(03:28):
that you have done because you have such a unique perspective,
both from the standpoint of being a healthcare professional for
several decades and having been a patient in the hospital.
You know, so that that gives you a very unique
perspective that's I think important to the in this whole conversation.
(03:51):
But yeah, I got into this kind of accidentally. I
would say. I grew up in a I was hold
of a lot of professionals. My father was a family
doctor and general surgeon, my mother was a nurse, and
my other siblings kind of went on to either you know,
(04:14):
Mary somebody, or go into some other aspects of health care.
So there are several doctors in our family that myself
and some of the others went to law school instead.
But I grew up with this real sense of you know, freedom,
(04:36):
truth and those you know, conservative principles, but you know,
the Constitution, and my dad really drilled those things into us.
And so at one point back in twenty twenty, I
had written a book called Globalists on Trial, The Hidden
Agenda to Destroy America from Within, And then in late
(04:59):
twenty twenty one I started to update and expand that.
But then the process and part of that expansion was
going to be adding a chapter on COVID, like COVID
the Scam, and another chapter on the shots. Well, in
the course of my research, I kept discovering more and
more and how bad these shots were and how much
(05:22):
we'd been deceived, and I thought, oh my goodness, and
I thought people need to know about this. So I
I started putting together what I intended to be just
a relatively short report that I could run off on
my laser printer and distribute it locally, you know, to
doctors and other healthcare professionals, you know, to warn them.
(05:47):
And uh. And then as I kept doing more research,
I kept finding out more and more and more, and
how how many rabbit holes there were, and how deep
the rabbit holes went, and how gross the was, and
and the extent of deception and lies it was. Just
I was flabbergasted. So my little report kept expanding and expanding,
(06:12):
uh and uh, you know, from a smaller booklet to
a larger booklet. And and then at that point I thought,
you know what, I really should get some critique from
a healthcare professional, like a doctor or somebody. If if
I can find somebody who would read something like this
and and give me some honest, you know, critique of it. Uh.
(06:35):
And then so my uh, senior pastors at my church
knew of a doctor in the area who was involved
in like the freedom medical freedom you know movement, and
they thought, you know, she might be willing to help.
So I contacted her, that was doctor de big Leone,
and uh she said, oh, I'd like to show this
(06:57):
to my friend, doctor Jim Thorpe too, uh you know,
so send me an extra copy. So I did, and
they read it and it's like, oh my, yeah, you know,
this woman wants help. You know, are we willing to help?
And they both agreed that yeah, yeah, let's help her.
So that's how we got you know, connected, And and
(07:18):
then you know, they uh added some things and and
I added more, and you know, Jim had suggested we
submit this to a an online medical journal, uh you know,
divided into you know, three or four big parts, because
by that time it was getting rather long. And and
(07:39):
so we did that. But then we ended up with,
you know, you know something that we realized we've got
a book here. So then uh, Jim and Deb started
giving the uh sending the manuscript to some of their
doctor colleagues, uh and others, and we started getting all
(07:59):
these uh uh endorsements back, you know, like from Peter
McCullough and Mary Tally Bowden and doctor Brian Artists and
and Jeff Childers, uh, John Witcher, you know, and several others,
doctor Richard Bartlett and so forth. And so it was like,
oh my, Steve kersh And it's like, how did it
(08:24):
all is? And and so that's kind of how got
into it for me, you know, being a lawyer, you know,
I'm looking at the evidence and and one of the
things I encourage people to do because obviously we know
there's a lot of people who just aren't looking at
(08:45):
the evidence. They haven't looked at the evidence on both sides.
They they only believe what they hear on the corporate
media through the government and all the miss the real misinformation. Uh.
And so for me, it's like I just encourage people, like,
pretend you're on jury duty, you know, and if you're
(09:07):
on a jury, you need to look at both sides
of the evidence. And like I'm sure you know, Patty,
there's a familiar proverb that says, the first one to
present their case seems right until someone comes along and
cross examines them. And so it's like, you wonder, yeah,
(09:27):
so the corporate media has presented just one side of
the case, and I don't know that people realize that
people aren't you know, in this movement with US, I
don't know if they realize how much massive censorship there's
been on all these topics like you were referring to
(09:50):
earlier in the program, that things you're not supposed to
talk about, but you know. And so I encourage people
like even to consider, if you are a defendant in
a trial, either civil or criminal, how would you want
your jury to consider, you know, all the evidence. You
(10:11):
would not want the jury just to listen to the prosecutor,
you know, or the planeff's attorney and then make up
their mind, you know, on that basis. You'd want them
to listen carefully to you know, the evidence on the
other side. And when you do that. Here's kind of
what I've found because when I was doing my Globalist
(10:31):
on trialbook, I was also uh doing extensive research on
several other highly controversial issues. And now I got the
COVID many controversial issues concerning COVID, you know, say and
effected or not. And what I have found is, over
(10:52):
many years of looking at different controversial, major controversial issues,
to me, uh, it the the case. If you're looking
at these issues from the standpoint of the weight of
the evidence, it's not even a close case, and not
just on the COVID vaccine issue, but you know where
(11:15):
the weight of the evidence is so strongly showing that
these are not safe or effective. In fact, they're very
dangerous and among the most dangerous things. So and it's
like that on so many other issues. If you actually
look at the evidence, there's not even a close call.
(11:35):
And the importance of that is if people actually looked
at the evidence and knew how to weigh the evidence,
not just claims that something is true, but the actual
evidence supporting, you know, those claims. If there is any evidence,
then that's part of the problem because on a lot
of issues they're they're pulling stuff out of in there
(11:58):
there is.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
No Yeah, Bauci said six feet and then he kind
of recant that and said, well, you know, six ft
was just something we came up with. You know, in
your book you mentioned four key issues, and I'm not
gonna I won't give away all the stuff, but you know,
the four key issues you just kind of touched on
was were the vaccines even necessary? Are they safe? Have
(12:19):
they been effective? What's the big picture that the whole
COVID nineteen uh saga fits into, is that crucial to
understanding what's really going on with the world. You know,
this is Sally's book. Where can people get this book too?
I just want to make sure we send them the
right direction.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Do we sure?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Where do we go for the book?
Speaker 3 (12:38):
Well, they can give it on Amazon or on my
book website. The CV book dot com. CV stands for
COVID vaccine, So the cbbook dot com dot com.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Okay, so that's the book up there. Books. If you
can see it, if you're driving, take a picture of it.
It's on Amazon. But it's interesting. Sally's book I could
not put down. And you know, because I was live
and really down in the trenches of this whole thing unfolding,
you know, like we were talking about Sally. You know,
I had decades of working in healthcare, primarily in the
(13:15):
operating room. I was very up on infectious control, sterile technique,
and from the very underpinnings of when this all unfolded
in like January February of twenty twenty, the whole thing
smelled like a rat, tasted like a rat, and I
knew it was a rat. And the evidence we didn't
get the other side. All we got were edicts and
(13:35):
mandates the guidance as it came from the CDC, and
you know you mentioned that your book too, like the
whole Part one session talks about the evidence about the
injections they're not true vaccines. Part two is on evidence
related to safety and the degree of nature that results
from the COVID shop, and then three and four talk
about what is the evidence to efficient or effective evidence
(13:59):
and then heart for is more on the bigger picture
and that all things COVID fit into and explains a
lot of different things about controversies, DNA, undisclosed ingredients. So
so let's talk more about like what did you guys
find and what are some of the things that you
think it's worthwhile people know so that they can get
(14:20):
your book and learn it all.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Okay, Yeah, well, first of all, yeah, I kind of
I think that the big picture is one of the
most important things. And by big picture, you know, I'm
talking about there's an agenda behind all this because there's
certain things, like you found and you talked about in
(14:44):
your book, certain things just did not make sense at all.
I mean, you know, common sense was out the window.
You know, just all the normal things that healthcare professionals
used to do. We're out the window just you know,
nothing made sense and and so you know, the reason
the big picture is important is because going forward now
(15:08):
you know from here on, what are we facing and
what do we need to know that will help prepare
us to make better decisions not only for ourselves and
our families, but also as a nation, because we cannot.
I don't believe that we as a nation, we cannot
afford to have a significant percentage of the population be
(15:33):
unaware and uninformed because there is a war going on here,
you know, and as route it's a spiritual war, but
it's our own government waging war against us. And they
in you know, working together with big pharma, big business,
big tech, et cetera, et cetera, you know, are all
(15:55):
doing their part to weaken us, destroy us, you know,
kill us, control us in every way.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
And people don't really I don't think people really realize that,
like this whole vaccine saga is a biological weapon. I
had a scientist one who spoke about it. And what's
in the vac or the shot, what's in the shot,
what's in some of the other shots, what's out there
you know, in food and all these things and you're right, Like,
(16:25):
have you come across many people that are starting to
wake up like it really is? It's a global there.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
There are I think in the last few years a
lot of people have woken up to this, but they
or to the fact that, oh, these shots were not
so safe and effective after all, and why are all
these people around us dying? And why are you know,
all these strange things like especially in the healthcare community.
(16:54):
I mean there's still you know, there were especially after
the shots rolled out, there were people coming in, young
people and working age people coming in with old age
problems like how did this happen?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Broke aneurysm, blood clots, all that stuff, sudden death.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Yeah, And you know, as much as we would love
to put COVID behind us, there's at least a couple
main reasons why we can't. One of them being that
there's still so many people who are still suffering from
either long COVID or COVID shot you know, injuries, and
you know, not to mention the families that have been
(17:35):
devastated by their family members who died, you know, after
the shots, or or people who didn't survive the hospital protocols.
So there's still a lot of healing, physical, mental, and
so forth, that we can't just push that aside and
said well and say that, well the emergency is over. Well,
(17:58):
emergency might be over, but the effects of it are
fire from over. But also, as I said, going forward,
there there's so much stuff in in the book about
so many lives, so many misrepresentations, even fraudulent I would say, uh,
(18:19):
so many deceptions in so many ways. It just boggles
your mind that they could think of so many things.
And you know a lot of people are going to
have trouble getting their their minds around the uh, the
issue of why, you know, why would they do this,
(18:40):
like why like in the hospitals, why would they continue
these protocols that aren't working if they're just killing people,
especially when there's other things that doctors outside the hospitals
are helping their patients with to recover, I mean, and
and so you know, when when you inject the issue
of their being a much bigger agenda that's driving all
(19:03):
these these decisions, all these actions and mandates and other
and pushing the vaccine, why they're so hell bent on
getting this vaccine in every arm. When you start looking
that at that, and you look at especially certain pieces
of evidence. You know, it starts to become clear that
(19:24):
they're doing this intentionally, and that's what people have the
most trouble, it seems, getting their head around why would
our own governments be waging war against us and be
seeking to harm us and kill us? And that's part okay,
So I get into that in this book and what
(19:45):
that bigger agenda is and the fact that there's evil
in the world. But I'm working on a second book
now which goes into deeper down that rabbit hole and
explains were about that, you know, people, because people just
can't imagine that their own government would seek to intentionally
(20:07):
harm them. But when you understand, you know the concept
of evil and what the agenda is, and why these
people who are in control of this agenda ultimately at
the top, why you know what's driving them, then you
(20:28):
can start to connect the dots and you know, and
answer those why questions. And that's what I think is
so important for people to understand. But the foundation of
that is knowing how much they've lied. What have they
lied about it? What are the strategies and tactics they
(20:48):
use to deceive people on a massive basis that has
led to things like, you know, the whole COVID era
that we've just been through, you know how, because we
can't afford to have a lot of our people being
deceived again, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
And well, I was going to say, you're right, it's
a deception that has taken layer upon layer, probably over
some lifetimes, that has gotten to this level. And I
think you're right. It has a lot to do with
corporate greed, government control. You know, there's a big spend
for a lot of people across the country, across the globe.
And you know, I'll throw Bill Gates in there. He's
(21:30):
often been you know, paraphrase, it's saying how population control is.
It's an important thing to do. And when you peel
all back, who gets the biggest bang for their buck
if they can make that power play so and it
comes down to big pharma and government and those that
are running the government and those that are in other
positions throughout the world. And I just don't think people generally,
(21:54):
at say the common level, like the rest of us
just doing life, having kids, go into a soccer game,
going grocery shopping. I could imagine that when we go
to the doctor and they say, well, you need these
ninety nine vaccines for your child, how could it not
be safe. That's a doctor, that's a nurse, they recommend
these things, but that's not really what has happened. Yeah, yeah,
and it's m right.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
And I don't think people a lot of people realize,
you know, the motivations and the the way that big
pharma has captured not only government but also the healthcare industry.
And and and this the extent and the nature of
(22:38):
the lies I think is so important. Like, for example,
Peiser in the book, I talk about how Weiser back
in two thousand and nine paid the biggest criminal fine
in US history. It was like two point three billion dollars.
I think that's the B for billion, not M for million.
(23:03):
And and it was for misrepresentation of a drug. And
and then there was fraud involved. And over the years,
Buiser has also been fined for many violations of even racketeering, fraud,
(23:28):
using kids as guinea pigs and trials without parental consent,
bribing doctors, kickbacks, I mean, you name it. And they
just pay the fines because that's just the cost of
doing business. They don't really care about the harm that
their shots are doing uh, and of course with the
(23:49):
PREP Act that you know, gives them liability protection protect
from this. That's whole another thing. But you know, when
you look at issues for example, and this is one
thing that I think helps people to get their head
around the fact that that something is being intentionally done.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
To us is okay.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Before COVID, when there was a new shot like they take,
for example, the swine flu example is one that's often given.
When the swine flu campaign vaccine campaign was carried out
in nineteen seventy six, they after about four hundred cases
(24:41):
of you know, one disease and I think it was
only about twenty five or twenty six deaths that vaccine
was pulled off the market because you know, that was
the way the FDA operated. Those were those standards, and
if you had, you know a certain number of deaths
associated with a product, you had to put a black
(25:03):
box warning on it. And so you know, up until COVID,
if there had been uh, you know, just even several
hundreds of injuries or you know, serious injuries, you know,
or twenty five deaths, it would have been pulled from
the market. Well, with the COVID shots, those thresholds were
(25:24):
reached like in the first month after the rollout. So
here we are, yeah, you know, July twenty twenty five
versus January twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
You know, when the first month passed and they'd already
exceeded that threshold. Why have these shots not been pulled?
You know, so many doctors, as you know, have and
others have called for these shots to be pulled up
the market because they're so dangerous and you know the
and yet they're not. They're just blowing off all these
(26:00):
these huge numbers of deaths and and reports of adverse
reactions to the shots, you know, and we're into the millions,
you now, and and in our book at the time
that was written, you know, there was probably at least
a half a million deaths following the COVID shot and
(26:23):
you know, could have been you know, closer to one
point something million deaths. Well that's a far cry from
you know, twenty five or fifty. Uh. And so when
you when you look at that, like, why, okay, why
(26:43):
have they still been so hell bent on promoting this
and why did they spend over ten eleven, twelve, thirteen
billion dollars to promote you know, the vaccines and pay
money to local leaders, celebrities and others to promote this. Yeah,
(27:05):
I mean that's a lot of money to promote things.
And yet how much money of the vaccine injured got
you know, that'll be in my second book. But they've
got almost nothing, almost nothing. And for actually most of
them have gotten nothing. There have been a few people
have gotten something, but you know, and then and then
(27:27):
you look, so you look at at data like that,
and and for me, that's one of the one of
the main things that reveals the intentionality behind all this
because they refuse to stop it, they refuse to change it.
And in any.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Way, well that's the thing too, you know, and being
in the medical profession and feeling like I was one
of a handful of people across the country at the time,
we were almost duct taped. And to some degree, I
think they still are duct tape because these folks come
from a world in professions where they need their job.
(28:08):
They've got to support their family. And when you work
in an organization, if you don't follow the rules, the guidelines,
the protocols, they make it very difficult for you to
even continue employment. We saw it with all the medical
healthcare workers that were mandated to get the vaccines, because
if they didn't get those folks to comply, how else
were they going to get the rest of the world
to fly. And thank god for so many of us
(28:29):
who stood up and said, no, my body, my choice. Yeah,
one of the questions, you know in this country, you know,
why don't we get the right to choose for our bodies?
And I think that's starting to take some turns in
the right direction. But you're right, it's almost like the
prosecution only got to put their side out. The defense
never got to stand up and say, well, wait a minute,
(28:50):
this is what I know to be true, this is
what I know are the facts. It was all just
pushed off that everything made sense and this was the
safest way to go. People have to really start to
ask questions. Yeah, I think it's important. You know, We've
got a link for one of the nurses who put
up it's www. Dot protocol kills dot com slash patient Documents,
(29:14):
and she's put together a lot of documents that you
can just print off on your own and when you
take yourself to a hospital for a reason that you
might feel the need to go, there are things people
still need to be treated for. But it's a question
of when you go in now you're signing basically all
your rights away. It's even worded in most of the
admission documents that you'll agree to whatever mRNA shot they
(29:37):
want to give you. And well, I don't know if
it's hit every facility. You really need to read the
fine prints. So I encourage people onto that website. It's
at the bottom of our page. It's www. Dot protocol
kills dot com slash patient hyphen documents. Read it. It's
quite an eye opener. But yeah, I mean, sadly, there's
(29:58):
so much that you have in the book. What other
things did you want to share that? I think it's
important for people to hear these things frontline from people
who've done the work to find out the evidence.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, well, yeah, there there's just so many different lives,
like another one concerning the issue of why a vaccine
wasn't even necessary in the first place. One of the
points that we make there is that you know this
claim that that the Pfeiser shot was ninety five percent effective. Okay,
(30:31):
so they sold the public on that. Well, when you
dig a little deeper and to find out what is
that ninety five percent represent you'll see now this is
Pfiser's own trial data. Okay, they showed that if you
didn't do anything at all, no shot at all, your
(30:53):
chance of you know, I guess getting infected was like
less than one percent, like point eight eight percent, zero
point eighty eight percent, so it's less than one percent.
But if you got the shot, those chances got reduced
down to zero point zero four percent. So that reduction
(31:15):
zero point eight eight again less than one percent, reduced
down to zero point zero four is the ninety five
percent reduction. But and that's called a relative risk.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, I forget about the lots, you know, plot strokes,
you know, brain fog, you name it.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, And the FDA specifically says in its regulations that
the manufacturer should not use relative risk reduction in communicating
with the public because it can be very misleading. You
should only use absolute risk reduction. Well, how many people
do you know that would have, you know, reconsidered getting
(31:58):
their shot if they had known that there it's less
than a one percent chance to begin with, and taking
the shot was lowering that to another lower figure, low
one percent. And and yet the FDA let them get
away with that representation because it caused it made people
think that, oh, if I get the shot, I have
(32:20):
a ninety five percent chance of not getting COVID or
not getting infected, And that's totally not what that number
represents at all. And so they play around with these numbers,
you know, in ways, and the same thing with uh,
like it in the hospitals after the vaccine rollout, Hey
(32:43):
they well yeah, even outside the hospitals, but after the
vaccine rollout, the CDC did not consider a person to
be vaccinated until the fourteenth day, you know, after like
their primary series. You know, well a lot of people
died within those fourteen days after getting their shown and
(33:04):
so but they're considered unvaccinated even though they probably died from.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
From the back.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yet. So again, very they're always playing around with definitions
and manipulating numbers in so many ways. But also, you know,
I think it's important for people to know the different
tactics in ways that they use to deceive people. And uh,
the propaganda, you know, that's that's used by these entities
(33:37):
to deceive because you know, we're facing we're still dealing
with some of these issues of what they're trying to
do to us. To harm us, you know, and coming
out with more and more and the m r N
a platform, and you know why is that dangerous? And
so the book talks about a lot of those dangers.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I like it. Quote the one quote in part two
and folks, I mean, you guys got to really hear
this for what it is from Frederick Douglass. Find out
just what any people will quietly submit to and you
have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which
will be imposed on them. And it's so true. Look
how many people just submitted and for whatever reason they
(34:21):
were scared, they believed their doctor, blindly, you name it. Yeah,
so that's just the beginning.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yeah, And you know, I do want to commend those
who took the shot, believing that they were doing the
right thing for the country and you know, really wanting
to help. I mean they they had, you know, the
good motives, commendable motives, but they were still deceived because
I think if they had known that there were you know,
(34:51):
what the possible consequences might have been. You know, very
few people would have gotten the shot. And we you know,
so I you know, I'm not judging them, and they
were in a terrible place if they were under a mandate.
I mean that was so so un hear, you know,
genuinely going forward now, like I have a friend who
(35:13):
works in a hospital and like this last year and
every year they're mandated to get the flu shot. And
so I was just talking with her again the other
day because last year she got it. Oh she practically
fainted on her way back to her car and she
was terribly sick for three days. So it defeated kind
(35:34):
of the purpose of that. Plus the blue shot is
known to be almost zero effective in the first place.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Absolutely correct, you know. And it's funny too because the
scientists that I've had on regularly, he talks about all
the things. In fact, the twenty nineteen flu shot was
a precursor to help people be more susceptible for this
whole COVID thing. And our dear friend has jumped John.
I want to just give a shout out to Matt.
It's very true, and thanks for joining in.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Matt.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
It's true. The CDC define the vaccine for COVID as
a vaccine scene and it's really not. It's an MRMA
gene mutation type of a shot, so it's really not
a vaccine in the sense of the word very true.
And those people that have had the shot, we want
to help them. You know, that's another part of why
we run this show. Why folks like you know, Attorney
(36:26):
Sally's here is because we want people to get really
good information. And I'm always talking to you about ways
to detoxify and heal the body. If you guys haven't
seen Sally's book, it's up on the screen now if
you want to take a screenshot of it. It's available
on Amazon. It's it's a fantastic book. Man. I'd like
to add a chapter in your next book. We'll have
to combine forces.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah, but actually I could have I added a few
paragraphs that include some things from your book. Oh, I'll have.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah. We just have to continue to get word out.
You know, I fight with people on LinkedIn all the
time because you know, there's a lot of professionals I
must have close to I don't know, three thousand contacts
on LinkedIn, and many of these folks question, I think
you know what the heck happened to Patty Well, Patty
was the one who from Logic and Evidence Based Medicine
practiced for nearly thirty five years when all of this
(37:19):
came out and I started to question as I was
trained to do and from my knowledge of what I
knew was right. And you know, Sally, you mentioned some
of these brilliant providers, the physicians, doctor McCullough, doctor Mary
Tally Bowden. There was a colleague I worked with down
in Key West, doctor Bruce Borrows, board certified cardiologists, and
we were out there screaming at people. You know, here's
(37:41):
what's going on with the pandemic. This was before the
vaccine or the shot got out there, and then even
after and more and more people are still just hearing
these things, so we have to keep talking about it.
That's why I wanted to add you on because this
is a must read. Folks have to get this book.
But yeah, please tell us some more stuff she thinks
important for people to know that we've got to get
(38:03):
out there.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Okay, So you know, when you when you understand, uh,
the extent of the lies and deceptions and the different
strategies that they use to deceive people. Once you're aware
of that, they repeat the same playbook over and over again.
So the next time you see that, like oh uh,
(38:27):
you know, you'll hopefully react respond differently, and like, for example,
the shots that we were just talking about. You know,
I was telling my friend who got the flu got
sick from her flu shot last year. I said, you know,
when that comes around again, I want to encourage you
to be prepared. If you can't get an exemption from it,
(38:48):
you know, I'll help you put together, you know, some
something to show why the flu shot is very ineffective
and dangerous, especially with the new platform, and and hopefully
you know, make a difference. But I think, you know,
when enough people know the facts, then they're more likely
(39:13):
to take action. Especially they're more prepared for you know,
what may come. But one thing that's really important, I
think is for people to band together and like when
they start, if you had, like all the hospital staff
read my book at any given hospital, you know, if
(39:34):
they would do that, they think, oh my gosh, yeah,
their strength in numbers. So what would happen if all
the staff or most of them got together and said, Okay,
no more mandates, You're not taking any more shots, you know,
because especially COVID shots, we can't we can't be sure
of what's in them anymore. But it's not just COVID shots.
(39:56):
Now it's any shots that it's gone over to you know,
this whole platform. So you're playing Russian roulette, you know,
And it's a terrible decision and position to be put in,
to have to decide between keeping your job or taking
an injection that could even kill you or seriously harm you.
(40:19):
I mean, nobody should be put in that position. But
you know, we have the advantage of the public fire
out numbers, people who are involved in promoting this agenda,
and but and so being armed with the facts and
being willing to stand up and just say no, I
(40:40):
will not comply this time if we I mean, that's
where the strength in numbers comes in, if enough people
will do that. But first they have to become aware.
So like you know, I I suggest giving the book
even anonymously, you know, sending it to you know, your doctors,
other healthcare professionals, or our family members or friends or
(41:04):
others that you run into who need to have this information.
You know, even though you can lead a horse of
water and you can't make him drink, you know, but
you never know who's actually going to open it and
find out what's in there. I think we would be surprised,
especially now I think more people are are looking for it,
(41:26):
more people are open to the truth. The truth is
is kind of heavy, but you know, but but the truth,
even with the difficult consequences of it that we've seen,
it's still a lot easier to deal with than the
consequences of being deceived.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Yeah, No, I absolutely agree. And you know, one of
our guests is asked about, you know, do you think
we got to this point because how we've been conditioned
to view vaccine is sort of a magic wand and
not at all broke. And I think generally people have
always trusted the medical profession, and within the medical profession,
you know, we tend not to question each other because
(42:10):
we're here to do good. Yeah, but that's where this
all went wrong, because we thought we were doing good.
But when in healthcare, and this was my biggest question
to folks, when in healthcare, have we not thrown the
kitchen sink when someone didn't get better? We didn't just
keep following a same protocol over and over and over again,
and then when someone brought up an idea and said, hey,
(42:32):
how about we try this, they were ostracized, shun told
to not speak, and so you had to stop and
think something must be wrong. What is not you know,
what's wrong with this? And when you look at the
vaccine schedule, you know, we got I think somewhere close
to twelve or seventeen vaccines from birth to adulthood. Now
there's like ninety nine vaccines that are inundating the body.
(42:55):
And you've got to wonder, like, at what point are
we just injecting so much Back to your original point,
this isn't even really a vaccine. Yeah, you know health
care seriously.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Yeah, And it's not about promoting health either. And this
is this is part of the big picture. And you know,
like in the book, you know, talks about you know,
different aspects of the agenda and how you know, the
the global elites. And this is not conspiracy theory. If
(43:30):
you think it's conspiracy theory, uh, read the quote on
page two thirteen. I think it is by David Rockefeller,
who's one of the Uh he's passed away now, but
he wrote a book of.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
Oh yeah, sure, let me read it real quick. Okay,
this is it's from David Rockefeller. Some even believe we
are part of his secret cabal working against the best
interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me
as internationalists, and of conspiring with others around the world
to build a more integrated global political and economic structure,
(44:09):
one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I
stand guilty and I am proud of it.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Yeah. In the law, we call that an admission against interest,
when somebody admits something that is not in their best interest.
That's kind of one of the tests, you know, if
you believe that or not. It's like, yes, if somebody
admits something against their interests, that's probably true. So now
you've got one of the icons of one of the
(44:38):
families among the global elites admitting they are conspiring and
they've got this big plan for one world government. And
so what does that mean for each of us if
we because because the people in control, they keep pushing
(44:58):
forward with this. Just because we've had a change of
administration doesn't suddenly stop all that, uh, And so we
need to be alert and aware. And that that's my
big thing is just helping My role in this bigger
picture of the medical Freeman Freedom movement is to help
(45:20):
awaken people and make them aware. So I you know,
so this book is like an overview of a lot
of the key issues revealing what we've been lied to
about about and you know, the bigger picture that all
these lies fit into. Why are they doing this, what's
(45:41):
it leading toward? And why why is that important to us? Well,
if you think we've seen the worst of it so far,
of this agenda, no, I mean it's been bad, but
we haven't seen the worst of it. So that's why
it's so important to not become as well informed as
(46:03):
possible ourselves, but also to wake some other people up,
like take a project upon ourselves to wake just one
other person up, you know, in some way, and by
giving them information. And uh, it's highly documented as well.
So there's over six hundred footnotes, so it's not just
(46:24):
a bunch of opinions or or facts, you know, without documentation.
There's and that's one of the things a lot of
people have said that they really appreciated about.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, especially when people tell me, you know, is it
evidence based? Where's the research? There's so much well well documented,
you know, referenced referenced articles and published journals and all
kinds of stuff. So folks, I can't begin to tell
you enough, you know, And and whatever folks said, Yeah,
it really does seem to be it's about compliance control,
and I think it goes even further deception, money, greed,
(46:59):
and we're just pawns in a power play. Definitely want
to recommend Sally's book. Palie. I can't thank you enough
for being here. We got to have you back because
we're gonna have more questions, So we're going to pick
a time. We'll get Sally back in the couple weeks.
I think that would be fantastic. My book kind of
goes into the detail of what I saw behind the
scenes and when I tried to expose it talks about
(47:19):
my story. Both of them are on Amazon dot Com.
Mine is they call me Harriet and Sally's is the
COVID nineteen vaccines and beyond what the medical industrial complex
is not telling us. So get your copy, come back
on with questions. Sally. Thank you so much. It went
so fast. Yeah, good, so much, Pally. I appreciate. We're
(47:44):
going to talk some more.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Hang tight.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
I'm going to let everybody know we'll be back next Thursday.
I'm going to have a couple of great guests on
and we'll be talking more about what's going on in
the government, what you might not know, what you might
need to know some of the stuff that's out there
with the Truth movement, and I look forward to seeing
you guys have a wonderful weekend. Stay tuned, we'll see
you soon.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Mm hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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