June 26, 2025 • 49 mins
904-377-1196 text https://magnoliacellpatch.com/Pattigillianowellness.com Healing Hope Solutions. Marsha's mother murdered by hospice in 2017. Family was shattered with her loss and that began my journey to seek justice.no justice to be found. Marsha warns others about the dangers of trusting their lies and manipulations. She hosts a podcast in 2018 titled Betrayed by hospice. Her book Betrayed by hospice an Healthcare; Stories from the Deathbed. Join us to learn and call in with questions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hey, you welcome to another episode where we are live
with Wellness Uncensored. I'm Patty g your host, say Gedtric
nurse practitioner. I want to welcome you guys for tuning
in this afternoon. You know, we always offer timely informational
as well as just controversial subjects that are out there
that you might not see on the mainstream media. And
that's what makes it so much fun because we are
(00:54):
folks like you that just want to get the word
out on a lot of things that we just don't
seem to get the interest in the attention of, you know,
with some of those mainstream outlets. But we're getting there
each and every day we are and closer. You know,
Wellness and Censored became a part of our world about
two years ago. We've been on two seasons now, and
it came as a result of the pandemic. A lot
(01:14):
of things happened that I felt like working where I
was as an executive administrator and then turning into the
world of clinical as a psychiatric nurse practitioner, wanting to
share with people some real feelings, real tragedies, and we
are never, unfortunately without stories of some really tragic situations.
We've got a great guest on today and I wanted
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to share a little bit more about her. But before
I do, just to give you background one of the
books I wrote, it's called They Call Me Harriet. That
book you can get on Amazon, or you can actually
tune into my website, which is my name Patty P.
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Speaker 3 (01:50):
T I.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Billiano g I L L I A n O Wellness
dot com and there you can find several of the
books I've written, as well as some good blogs and
really good information.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Frozen shoulder for those that.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
May or may not know, when you tune into psychiatry,
sources of stress and trauma can very much be a
real reason why you may suffer from a frozen shoulder
the medical term adhes of capsulitis. It's not the only reason,
but if there's no other explainable reasons, and if you
look into your history, you will find that a lot
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of times buried trauma and stress manifest in the body.
We've talked about that lots of times, and so as
a result, I've written about it. I've had three of
my own, and I think I've cracked the code on
how to heal them pretty quickly. So it's in the
book and if not, if you have questions this show
or another show, we'll be doing more as it relates
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to physiological trauma and things like that. But today I
want to welcome Marsha Joyner. She is actually someone who's
become a part of folks in our group former Feds
and now Betrayal Project, which the Betrayal Project is for
all of us who worked, lived and experienced the death
of loved ones, perhaps by homicide. We'll let the jury
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rule out the verdict on that, and last week we
were in the pending moments of a jury verdict and
I wanted to just share with you all sadly, but
it's not over. The verdict on the Grace hearing was
not ruled in favor of a hospital homicide by negligence
and by misinformation of lack of informed consent, and the
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hospital made a choice to make a nineteen year old
at DNR. But more to that, you can tune in
on our website. It's up just about everywhere, not on
mainstream meeting. If you have questions about that, just call
or text in. But today we've got Marsha Joyner who
has already written a book and want to introduce her.
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She can share a little bit about the tragedy that
occurred in her life a few years ago, and she
can probably tell it best, but it's definitely mirroring the
same signs and symptoms of those who have power, wield
it and mislead and offer trust or any other explanation
and take determination of their life in their own hands
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under the guise of medical care. So, without further ado,
welcome Marsha. I wanted to be able to share with you.
Here's her book, Betrayed by Hospice and Healthcare Stories from
the deathbedd So tell us a little bit about you, Marcia.
I'd love to have you kind of share a little
bit before things got rolling with this tragedy and then
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just kind of how you you know, how you dealt
with it.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Okay, thank you first for letting me come on your
program to tell my story as well as to tell
other stories. And as we often say, knowledge is power,
and in twenty seventeen, I didn't have the knowledge that
I have today. So eight years ago, my mom was
in hospice, enrolled in hospice. She had congestive heart failure,
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which is treatable with medication, and she was taken that.
Other than that, she had no cartilage in her left hip,
which caused pain, but she was not dying. But our
the physician told us that she qualified for that, so
she was enrolled in hospice. I think my situation is
a little different because my dad was the hospice chaplain
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of that facility ten years earlier, and he served in
that position for fifteen years. So I thought, because that's
you know, because he was a hospice chaplain, that they
were just trying to protect him from taking care of
my mom after we lost her. But what they did
is they showed up to the house and she had
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been on hospice for more than six months. And if
you've ever looked at the criteria for hospice, it's someone
has six months or less to live, but you're being treated.
That does not mean that that is an accurate figure.
They cannot predict that less they control it. And apparently
that is what is happening with hospice. They are able
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to control your death because they are killing people with
their toxic cocktail. That's a bad thing. And I know
a lot of people say that we were at hospice
and they were so compassionate and so understanding and caring
and they're just wonderful organization. That's not what we have witnessed.
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That's not what I witnessed. And I belong to a
Facebook group called Murdered to My Hospice and we have
almost six thousand people and they haven't witnessed that type
of behavior either. It's not compassionate. So backing up to
when my mom was in hospice, they showed up at
the house. They said, we're taking you to respite care
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so they husband can get some rest. And they put
him in the room across from my mom, which is
not typical if you go to respite care, to payat
goes so that the caregiver can get some rest at home,
or go on vacation or just take some downtime. But
in this case, they took my dad, put him across
the hall. They immediately started drugging my mother with morphine
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at a van and sentinyl. So she had been on
fentanyl before. The doctor had put her on twenty five
micrograms because of her hip because she was you know,
did have pain with that. But when she got there,
they started giving her morphine and said that her medication
was causing her to be constipated. Morphine causes constipation, so
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that was an outright lie and Mom did not consent
to that. In fact, the medical records which are very
very important to get those while you're lock alive. Don't
wait till after they're gone. But the medical records showed
that she was afraid to take it and she cried
and when they asked her why, she said, I'm great
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or morphine. I don't want to take it that on consent,
So they this was the day that she got there.
They started on Sunday. We had her private care provider
go over there and she talked to her. She fixed
her hair, my mom put lipstick on, she was eating
a meal.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
She was fine, and I.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Got a picture of her that her care provider, which
was like a sister to us at that point, because
she's a lovely lady and she's a picture my mom
sitting up in bed. The very next day, my mom
was not answering the phone, and when I called, I
found out they were given her morphine at a van
of ventyl one hundred micrograms a fentanyl. I want to
(08:44):
stop at this point and say that fentanyl is one
hundred times stronger than morphine and fifty times stronger than heroin.
So that is a very very strong drug they gave
my mom. She went into convulsions, she started having reactions
from the drug. And how they handled that was they
(09:05):
gave her more morphine and more ada van. So we
stopped the morphine and the adavan because we had heard
a morphine and we thought maybe out of m might
not be good. But the fentanyl because they caught it
a patch. And this is in twenty seventeen, and at
this time you haven't heard anybody dying from fentanyl or
the police officers, you know, touching it and needing narcon.
(09:29):
So we think it's like light a Durham patches that
she had been on for her hip previously, so ventinyl
the word fentanyl didn't scare us. We stopped the morphine
in the adavan. When we tried, I drove down six
hundred and fifty miles away from her, and I got
down there. I said, take her to the hospital because
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she was in a coma. She couldn't talk, she wasn't eating,
she wasn't drinking, she wasn't taking any medication, and I
knew there was something seriously wrong from Sunday being alert
and now this way. They said that if they took
her to the hospital, they would comfer with fluids, which
should have been an indication to me that that meant
(10:12):
she needed hydration. But they would comfer with fluids and
then she would get fluid around her heart and she
would die from drowning. And that's a horrible way to die.
You don't want your mom to die that way, do you, sweetie.
They're swarmy. They act like they care, but they don't.
I mean, it's all part of their plan manipulation. So,
(10:34):
to make a long story short, we did not take
her to the hospital. They started back all the drugs.
They continued with the fentanel that Friday. I asked them
not to put the second fentanel patch on. They were
doing two fifty microgram patches. It's measured in micrograms because
milligrams is so much more so because of the potency
of it. It's measured in micrograms. And the nurse said, well,
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if I don't, she'll go into withdrawal, will be chasing pain.
And again, you don't want your mom to you know,
to be pain, do you, sweetie. So my mom died
and they killed her. They killed her, they killed her,
and I immediately went to I called an attorney, and
you know, I called at least a dozen attorneys over
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the period of the next six months trying to get
somebody to do something. I contacted Medicare, the medical director,
I contacted him. I mean all of these people that
I contacted, trying to get somebody to do something, you know,
not because I want to pay out care less. It's
not about money. It's about money. And finally one attorney
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said that if the reason that I did that nobody
would take the case is because there's no money in
it and hospice does not settle out of court and
they had mass mutual. They have big pockets and they
won't settle, so they don't take your case. So that
it took me six months and I found Ron Panser,
who was a hospice nurse, and he wrote the books
(12:08):
Health Euthanasia back in nineteen ninety eight when he's happening,
and he said, you know they're killing people. It's they're
euthanizing people in hospice.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
So it's a blower.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
I found him, talked to him and you know what
he explained. It wasn't because of your dad being a
hospice chaplain. This is just what they do. And I
said what do I do? And he said, well, most
people do nothing. They call me, they tell me, I
talk to them, and they go on with their life.
And I said, that's not how I was raised. I
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want to do something. And he I don't think he
believed me, and I think he just thought, you know
that I was somebody else just saying I want to
do something. So about six months later, you know, after her,
after she was murdered, I was on a podcast with
Marty on TS radio. And she has passed sadly, but
(13:05):
I was on the program and she came and she said,
I need somebody to do the hospice program because it's
bigger than I realized, and I'd like for you to
host a podcast, which I did for six years. TS
Radio went out of business this past January so we're
working on getting another avenue, another platform, because as a
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platform she's working on. But I'm very grateful to be
on this one because you have different people that will
hear this story. And my entire goal is to warn
people not to trust without verifying, because you know, people
say that it was compassionate, and there are people you
know died and hospice was wonderful and great, and everything
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you read on the internet will say that true. And
if the people believed that their loved one died peacefully
in their sleep, you know, I don't want to burst
advice roble and say, you know, maybe they didn't, you know,
because they're okay with that. I mean, they think that's
what happened, and I don't want to ruin that for them.
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I don't want to cause them any grief. But how
else would someone die If they're at a coma, They're
going to die in your sleep, So.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You don't really matter that rapidly and what I would
say tragically, you know, just kind of reviewing some of
the doses of of fentanyl. You know, it's usually fifty
to one hundred micrograms every one to two hours, and
I think you said one hundred milligrams.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's a lethal dose, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
And morphine one hundred micrograms. That was a patch. It
was two fifty microgram touches.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And if they kept doing it and doing it, and
then you add on to that morphine, you know, and
morphine is again less potent than fentyl, and the average
of that is, you know, ten to twenty milligrams. And
again it's with monitoring, sedation, pain management. And when your
mom was sitting up smiling, how was she doing before
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they started to administer these heavy doses.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Well, she went she went into a coma shortly thereafter.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, before they did, though, was she at least communicating,
She was talking, she was sitting there.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, That's what's phenomenal in your story, is that how
tragic your mom was at perhaps an end er, an
ending part of her life these weeks months, but they
just capitalized and just euthanized her.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
They killed her.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
They did, they did, and in days, I mean the
days they did that. And you know, and when you're
trying to take someone to the hospital and they're talking
you out of it on numerous occasions, yeah, there, you know,
and I've often said this, if a nurse and you
have them nurse background. I have no medical background. I
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have learned just by researching for the past eight years.
It's been eight years this month. But if you're a
nurse and you're giving those drugs and you don't know
that they're going to cause depressed breathing, agitation, constipation, nauseousness, nervousness.
If you don't know what the effects of the drugs are,
then why would you get them? And if you do know,
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you're complicit murder because everything says those are black box
drugs and you should not combine them together.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I mean, oh, absolutely, no, that's a fascinating thing. You know,
many years ago, my dad passed away in twenty eleven
and it was a much different story for him than
my mom, and we went down the hospice route. And
so most of my career has been in areas of
like emergency room, I see you, the operating room, and
then I got into psychiatry. But I will tell you,
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you know, the doses that you describe. Plus there's never
usually the combination of those drugs because it's so it's
just toxic. You can't sustain that level of drug It
shuts everything down. Respirations. You know, where my situation, I
had what I thought of reasonable experience on hospice because
when someone is truly, truly, truly at the end, and
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how it's done to minimize pain, we get all that
to minimize discomfort. My dad was only on point two
milligrams and worphine, and so when I hear that, and
I still had conversation with him, and he had no
kidney function. So in my case, I knew that it
was imminent because it was either dialysis or he was
going to die, and we wanted that death to be,
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you know, very pain free. It was a very different situation,
and they were not impalelling that kind of drug dose
in those levels. And so what happened after, you know,
you went on and you met this other It was
a nurse who wrote this book Ron Pans.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, And then where did you guys go from there?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
What?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
You know, what other things have you done or have
you been doing? Was there an opportunity to seek retribution
in a legal case or did they just shut it down?
Speaker 4 (18:01):
No, they did not. They shut me down. They said
there was not enough money in it. I went to
CMS with Medicare and I told them you know what happened.
And the guy said, well, did your mom qualify? And
I said, according to the regulation you know for enrollment, yes,
he goes. Then there's nothing we can do. If she qualified,
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she qualified well an organization. My father moved in with
me after they killed my mom, so he lost his home,
his wife, his car, his church, and some of his
relatives in Georgia and he moved in with my husband
and me. And then we received a letter from Capper
c ap HR Belief and they were asking, you know,
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how was your stay there at hospice and what kind
of rating do you give them? And I gave them
a one star because I couldn't give them a zero,
and I wrote, you know what had happened to my mom?
Never heard from him? So I went to keypro KP,
which is an organization that is also an oversight and
I mean I laid everything out. I had the medical
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records and when they would come in and ask my
mother if she was in pain, she said no, they
would come. They gave her morphine and more autavan. If
they came in and she was resting peacefully, they said patient, no,
it shows no distress, resting peacefully. They gave her morphine
and out evan even though they had already put her
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in a coma. And the medical records are important, you know,
I said that while ago, But get while your person
is alive, not when they're dead, because when you look
at what they're actually doing to them. If I had
known that after they gave my mother it was like
ten fifty in the morning when they gave her this
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ventanel patch. Within an hour she's having bad reactions from it.
Had I known that at the time, I would have
known that that is what the issue is. But I
didn't get her or medical records until after she was gone,
because you don't expect that somebody's killing them. Although we did,
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I mean, watching what was going on.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
We did.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
You know what's interesting about all this too, Marcia, and
it takes me back because there's so many stories and
I think this is where this time in our life
in the country, with some of the things that are
coming out and changing. Why your story is so important
is because again, well I'm not clinical in terms of hospice.
You know, I've got enough ICU and emergency room background
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as well as you know, the behavioral health side these
doses in compounding with each other. Just from what you're
telling me curls my hair. And beyond that, what people
don't realize is the greatest debacle of all time to
gain power and control and fear over the people. And probably,
I hate to say it, depopularization was the pandemic, but
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prior to the pandemic. I'll give another quick example, just
to illustrate, because I don't know if folks really understand.
You know, I'm sure many folks out there are saying, well,
you know, you didn't understand. It was your mom, it
was personal, and they were doing the best they could
for And you.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Know, I go poo poo.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Doing the best versus doing the right thing is a
big deal. But when I was living in New Jersey,
a lot of people in the small town I live,
they knew my background, they knew what I was doing.
I was in hospital administration at that point as well.
And a very dark tragedy happened to a fourteen year
old boy. The vast forward of it was after he
had passed. He was on a moped a three wheeler
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with a friend, and the family couldn't understand what happened
to him that day, but they got a call that
he was en route to the hospital, and they met
him at the hospital where he passed. The family could
not get out of their head, how could this happen?
How could this happen? Let me explain to you how
real cover ups take place. This boy was on the
front yard with his friend whose dad was a state trooper.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Trooper's brother was.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
A corner And when this all went down, said and
done what they produced to the family because the family
wanted answers, they gave a full Carner report, and in
that report they shared that the heart he just suffered
a cardiac arrest. You know, this happens, this sudden death syndrome.
It happens a lot now related to the vaccine injuries.
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But they don't want to talk about that either. But
why I want to just kind of comment on that
because your story brings to light this stuff's been happening,
and no one, like yourself, for myself, has ever really
been able to get it out there. No one would
listen to us. It's like, oh, you're grieving. When they
gave me the Corner report, because again my background in
cardiology and the r and the ICU, do you know
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what they did they put together a beautifully prepared report
and they described normal heart anatomy. But in the description,
if you were not a clinical person, like, oh yeah,
this is where it was. It was the heart and
the narrowing of the vessels. That's normal anatomy. And that's
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why they asked me to read. And I said, well, folks,
I got to tell you something. Bottom line is, I
think you've been duped. I'm not an attorney, but I
would share this with an attorney, and you get some
expert witnesses.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
They were able to get hold of all those involved
in the cover up, and while they didn't get justice
for the fourteen year old son, at least this grieving
family their only child, they were able to put to
rest that he didn't die from a coronary episode. He
died because he was on the property of the state
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troopers with his son and fell off the three wheeler,
fell backwards and hit his head. And in those moments
where he had changes in symptoms, loss of consciousness and
everything else, they didn't take him to an emergency room
just to get checked out, and he probably could have
been okay. So your story, like it's a normal case
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of hospice. Sounds like mom met the criteria, So what
did they do wrong? They didn't let her pass peacefully.
They accelerated the process and killed her. And that, folks,
you have to understand why do you all think so
many people were kept out of the hospitals as family members?
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Because even not being a clinical person, you saw things
that didn't make sense to you. And can you imagine
all the people that were hospitalized with COVID if they
saw the things that you saw as a non clinical person.
And this is why your story is so important because
it's a little pre COVID, it has credibility to it.
And again, the cover ups and the manipulation of data
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and the manipulation of good clinical care was at the
demise of your mom. And you know the other thing
that kind of rings to me because again you know
part of my background and all the financial benefits of
what happens when you have rapid turnover of hospice patients,
you get more So if you can get rid of
them quickly, you can bill, you get some more in.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
You get rid of them quickly, you can build.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Now that does sound like a little bit you know,
conspiracy theory my father.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
We had a very good hospice experience.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
But there are places out there, just like there's behavioral
health places out there. This happened in just north of
Tampa about three years ago. There is a place that
will remain nameless, and they brought in CMS and everybody
else because you know why, they were having such problems
with their behavioral health patients and people were dying, people
were being abused because they were extending time or cutting
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off times so they could have rapid turnover, of turnover
of patient flow, essentially the almighty dollar. So if you
don't have an ethical and you know, really somebody who's competent,
and people are just how can I make a fast buck?
This is what probably happened to your mom. It's tragic,
well it is. And when you talk about the money,
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let's talk about that. There is an auburgate cap in hospice.
It has changed annually the fiscal year and this year
it's very very close to thirty five thousand.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
So when they get that money and there is a cap,
and I will send it to you that there is
a YouTube out there that a guy is trying to
explain this situation to several hospices and tell them how
they make the best the most money for their hospice.
And I don't care if your profit or nonprofit, you
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are not working for free. And you charge a certain
amount for going to someone's house. So say, for instance,
you charge one hundred and ninety two dollars that you
go to their house. And if they're in continuous care,
then that's another cost. If they're in respite care, that's
a higher cost. But if you go there, and in
his demonstration, it was thirty two thousand the year he
(26:58):
was talking about, so that probably around twenty seventeen when
my mom was murdered, you get the thirty two thousand.
This is his example. Someone is in there for a month,
thirty days, and they use utilize about six thousand dollars
of that thirty two thousand, they have a surplus now
twenty six thousand. That twenty six thousand goes towards their
(27:22):
justification for another patient who's maybe there longer, like my
mom was there more than six months was recertified. So
if somebody comes in ten days, you got thirty almost
thirty five thousand this year. So you get that money
if you don't spend it all. And as you say,
you revolve the beds, whether they're in the home or
(27:44):
they're in the facility, you're revolving the beds, and you
get to use that money for somebody else. And so
if you're charging one hundred ninety two dollars for someone
to show up at someone's house, that doesn't mean that
you paid one hundred and ninety two dollars for that
person to go there. If you're giving them bandages, for instance,
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if they have a wound and you do bandage or
you do the meta honey, you don't charge what that
costs you. You charge purplus on that. So it's about
making the money. And I saw a comment come through
while I go, which I will comment on this. My
mom went to hospice respite care because they tricked her
(28:25):
into going for my dad. Prior to that, she was
at the house, and there were things that happened at
the house that I did not agree with, but I
didn't find that out until after my mom was gone
because they shouldn't complain about it. But later my dad
told me some things that were going on. So it
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doesn't matter if you're in a nursing home or you're
in the house and they're coming in if you are
not monitoring everything they're doing and watching the drugs and
keeping them from giving them to your loved ones. And
if you see your you know, your loved one talking
and eating and they're fine, and the next day, after
the nurse has been there, they're slurring their language, they
(29:08):
can't eat now, they're not able to drink, they're agitated,
they're having a hard time breathing. Those are all signs.
Please read those signs. I didn't. I wasn't physically there
with my mom when she first went in, and I
didn't have enough common sense, knowledge expertise to read the signs.
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So you have to be on top of it personally.
For me, my dad passed when he was almost ninety four.
He moved in with us. He was eighty nine when
he moved in with us, and he passed at the
age almost of ninety four. We would not have hospice
in our realm. Ever, again, I don't see the point
in having them. And if you go to assisted suicide
(29:52):
and you say I want medical aid and dying, well,
why do you need to do that. Hospice is doing.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
It exactly well, you know, and I so appreciate all
that you've been doing just to kind of get the
word out.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Teresa actually just checked it, and you know, she's said,
thanks for sharing the testimony, and Anastasia, I mean, love
your comment too, and it's true. You know, folks, we
need to let y'all realize we're not saying not to
get some types of things done for your health care,
but you have to be very scrutinizing. These are businesses,
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and there are some good businesses, but there's a lot
of businesses like Marsha and I were just talking about.
I mean, I watched it with my own eyes, and
I was in different meetings with different hospital organizations, and
while there were some good ones, anytime or any chance
I saw something that didn't look right, sound right, and
it wasn't the almighty dollar. I'm like, wait a minute,
why are we putting this cost out there to just
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reap the benefits from the money?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
What about the patient?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
And Marsh's right, you know, and that's where the cost
benefit comes in. If you lose money on a patient
that's there for three hundred days, let's say in the
house that's kind of my background, you gain the benefit
of the other ones that you get in and out.
And remember, I've told this to folks so many times.
When you look at what happened during COVID, pre COVID
and where we are now, all of our measurable metrics
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have changed. The metrics that were before COVID were about
wellness and safety and all these things because we could
measure performance and we could pay for it. With COVID,
it was sort of the practice test. We got away
with talking about deaths ventilators one drug that was the
(31:35):
best drug, and we got reimbursed ferociously for death and
no one got to see it because we kept every
family member out. Like Marcia, who got to see some
of these things both at home and under their care,
she started to see things that didn't look right and
sound right, and she's asking questions and then it really
got to the point where she's like, this doesn't seem right.
(31:56):
And it wasn't until she got the medical record. So
I encourage all of you and I challenge you. You
need to be able to get in with a family member,
get to the medical record. Your family member has the
right to ask to see their chart while in the care.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
You don't, but they do.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
And even if the person brings the chart to the room,
because it's mostly all electronic now, they have to scroll
through the chart and you can ask questions, And because
you're there with your loved one, you should certainly be
able to ask questions too. If your loved one gives permission.
You may not know everything, you may not understand everything,
but you'll read enough to go, I don't know about this,
(32:38):
and then go talk to someone. Or you can ask
more informed questions of the people taking care of your
loved one. But so you did all that and then
kind of where did things lead from there? Your mom died,
You reviewed the chart, you wrote this book.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
What that's telling?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Well? When doing the podcast, I had people on like myself,
who had lost their loved ones to hospice, And you know,
I'm just one of those people that I take notes,
you know, when I'm talking to somebody, I'm not taking
them right now, but typically I do take notes. And
their stories were unique, but they were different and they
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were the same, and the medications that they were used
on them, the same words that the hospice nurses gave
them and said to them, and the manipulation, it was
all the same and all over the country and all
different ages of people that this was happening to them.
It was manipulation, control and it's a money thing. So
(33:39):
in February of twenty four I decided that I would
not just do the podcast, but that I would write
a book. So that's when I wrote the book Betrayed
by Hospice and Healthcare Stories from the Deathbed, because they
are they are from the deathbed. These people died because
they didn't know any more than what iw And in
(34:01):
the group Murdered by Hospice, we have people that come
in that have just put their person into hospice. They
find us because they're just trolling around and looking to see,
you know, put the word hospice in and we perhaps
came up and they come in the group, and I'll
be I'm happy to say that there have been people
(34:22):
that have been saved and they've taken their person out
of hospice and they you know, they revoked hospice, which
you can do. They've taken them home and they've lived
six months a year. So we feel very very good
about that. And then there are others that come on
that they were not fortunate and they lost their loved
(34:42):
ones and their families don't believe them because hospice is wonderful,
it's compassionate.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
No, it isn't.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
And so they find a home with us so that
they know, yes, we validate what they saw. And like
I say, the stories are kind of the same, and
I think it's important for those people to have a voice.
So those that were on my podcast that you know,
I had talked to and still keep in touch with,
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and they wanted to have their story put in the book.
So in her book is there are thirty four stories
in the book from those people that witness their loved
one being murdered. And there are several in there that
come to your point, Patty on COVID, that they were
putting COVID and they were kept away from their loved ones,
(35:29):
and their last sight of their loved one is through
a window from the outside of the building, tapping on
the window trying to wake her husband up so that
she could let him know she was there. He was
in a coma by that time and he died the
next day in respite care. There were people that they convinced,
like they did with my mother, that oh, we'll give
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you a tune up, and the person goes in for
a tuneup. Fifteen hours later they're dead. Or Dale goes
in because he spills coffee on him south and they
can't send somebody. This is during COVID. They can't send
somebody to help him take a shower. He can't take
a shower on his own. His son can't come in
to help him because of COVID. And they say, well,
(36:12):
we'll take you to our hospice respite facility. We'll give
you a shower and then we'll bring you back. So
they do that. He never makes it back. He's over
overdosed and he dies there and they say, well, he
became combative. Well, one of the things that you know
that I like to touch on is morphine can cause agitation,
(36:33):
and somebody who is opioid naive it is going to
affect him more, and if they're elderly, it's going to
affect them more. So he got agitated after they gave
him the morphine and then they give him at a
van to calm him down, or they well, how doll?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
How doll? I was going to tell you that, Yeah,
and they still do.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
They still do, right, and how doll is for people
that have mental disorder or Tourette syndrome that Sarah will
is another one they give them. And there are nurse
groups that have memes that say that if the patient
doesn't behave or is combative, or if the family is
combative with them and arguing, they'll give them a ham sandwich,
(37:16):
adamant and morphine. It's cool. It's inhumane, and they restrict
them to their bed. I mean they can't get out,
they can't drink, they can't eat, they can't take their medicine,
and they kill them. It happens.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
It. Yeah, Oh, the question about trasodone. Trazodone is not
in the theme category of Trasodone is used a lot
for sleep. They don't use it a lot in the
older population. And in many of the cases, well, trasdon's
more in the you know, the antidepressant category. It's again,
(37:53):
for whatever reason, they go for the antipsychotics in healthcare.
The antipsychotics are so sedating that they'll give a how doll.
But the problem is, you know a lot of older patients,
they call it the sundown syndrome where they start to
get a little confused when the daylight goes away, it's darker,
they see shadows. You know, it's very sad and hard
for older people when they have that kind of you know,
(38:15):
loss of you know, the reality.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
So you give them hold on.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Then they really hallucinate and they do like like Marsha said,
you get agitated. And then here comes in the big guns.
They bring the adavan I mean, or the morphine or both,
and you're suppressing their respiratory status and so it's hard
to metabolize. So then that increases problems with their kidneys,
and then kidneys start to have, you know issues where
they start to shut down. So how Doll is definitely
(38:42):
not for nausea. Zofran is used for nausea pretty frequently,
but hal Doll is definitely not for nausea.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
And that's see, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Most folks wouldn't know what some of these drugs are
used for. We just say, oh, yeah, how Doll's used for. Well, no,
it's definitely not for knowledge. So being out of the hospital,
you know, this is where we all lost so much
ground because people we are not allowed to see and
witness the things that went on during the pandemic. This
(39:14):
started well before the pandemic and certain certain arenas like
you're discussing what would you tell people today that that
you know, still believe hospice could be an avenue for
them to pursue. I think you kind of mentioned some
of it, but do you want to recap that a
little bit?
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Well, if you have to. I mean, the thing is,
why would you need hospice. Let's let's talk about that.
If you say somebody has six years, six years, six
months or less to live because they have an illness,
are they treated for their illness, congestive heart failure, dopp dementia?
(39:51):
You know, are they being are they already receiving treatment,
Are they receiving dialysis? If they have kidney disease, if
they're receiving treatment for that. There's not really a difference
between palliative care and hospice care. Supposedly, if it's palliative,
they will continue to treat the illness, and they'll tell
(40:12):
you that. But there are so many stories in my book,
and I've talked to more people than the stories that
are in my book, that they stop the medication. One
of them Mary Nettles, that you know I mentioned her
nurse said to her, you know, she took the pills
out for her illness, and her daughter saw that she
was starting to climb, so she put the pills back
(40:34):
in there, and her mom started to feel better. And
then when the nurse showed up and she saw the
pills had been put back in there, she very rudely
talked to her and she goes, Mary, we're not doing
this anymore. You're just going to have to make a
decision here. I've told you there's nothing we can do
for that, and we're not going to give you this
medication anymore. And so because Mary was being talked to
(40:56):
like that, okay, and then she kind of withdrew because
you know, this nurse was being just downright rude to her.
So that's my first thing is do you really need them?
And if you need her loved one is actually in
the state imminent death. And that's what Saunders in nineteen
sixty seven created it for people that are actively dying
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to minimize pain. Today almost anything. If you have dementia,
if you know Conjesin Barker or COPD, there are so
many things that can be treated that they want to
bring you in. Why because there's money, But if you
need that, if you're dying of cancer, you're in fourth
stage cancer and you're in great deal of pain and
you cannot get morphine to ease that pain, then maybe
(41:47):
you need hospice. Maybe, But then you watch the drugs
they give them, you read about it. I have a
chapter in my book that is on the medication that
they give you, and that sets shows you what the
reactions are when you do a combination of those drugs,
so that it's not just about the stories. There are
(42:09):
chapters in there that will show you what those drugs
will do to them, what the actual side effects are,
and if you put them together, what's going to happen.
So armed with information, then you can stand strong and
say no, you know, my loved one needs just a
little bit of more. Note you don't need to give
them out of end. They're not really you know, anxiety,
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which more thing can cause. But if someone is anxious,
you can show them pictures, you can play music, you
can sit with them and hold their hand. There are
things that you can do you don't need hospice for.
And if you get into a situation where you absolutely
have to have them, then please do your own research.
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My dad died without hospice. It wasn't pleasant. No death
is not pleasant. Most people do not die in their sleep,
you know. And when they are in hospice and people
think it's cuff care and they die in their sleep,
it's because they're in a coma and that's how they
died in the coma.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
You bring us so many good points I wanted to
touch on. You know. The one thing is think about
the whole money chain, right because we have to the hospitals.
I want you to know when you have somebody who
has some end stage stuff or they have a terminal illness,
if they are at any chance of risk of dying,
they're going to do one of two things because they
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don't want a hospital death because that goes against their
incentives and their reimbursement.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
So if it's someone.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Who really is too unstable to leave the hospital, you know,
making them a DNR can help, but putting them on
palliative care or you know, hospice is really the goal
because then they're not part of the mix of their
quality data that turns them to be not able to
be reimbursed. The other piece that I think is helpful
(43:56):
for people to know, like you said, when you put
a combination of meds together, much like in psychiatry, sometimes
you can create a bigger toxicity or a bigger problem.
I had a patient who came to me all kinds
of brain fog, thought she was getting Alzheimer's. The doctors
told her, yeah, you're coming down with Alzheimer's. And when
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we recreate it and pulled back off of certain meds
and gave her better meds and maybe some better nutrition,
better vitamins, not only did she become more clear and lucid,
her family goes she doesn't have Alzheimer's. I said, yeah,
you know what we did. We took away some of
her medications. We want people to be comfortable, we want
people to feel good. But folks, let me tell you.
(44:38):
When I get patients that come to me truly as
train wrecks. They're on all these different medications for their liver,
their cardiac, you name it. And then they were also
on psychmeds, and they're on benzodiazepines. You start pulling away
some of those meds and start looking at some of
the basic stuff, and oftentimes the complication, the magnitude of
(44:59):
where the get to it's not the illness, it's the
side effects of the medication. It's incredible it's just incredible
at right. So tell people again, how can they get
your book and what's the best way to either reach
you or where's a place you know people can find
you through your book?
Speaker 3 (45:17):
What do you recommend.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Well to reach me. I'm on murdered by hospice and
a couple of days ago we were one of the
ones that were hit and our hospice page was suspended
and they said we it gets community standards and we're
like no. And so the founder of it, Liz Eisner,
(45:39):
she lost her husband in twenty sixteen and she had
started that at that time, and she went back and
she said, you know, we don't you know, we don't
wreat community standards. We're trying to help people. We're not
a violent group, and you know, so it was just
a big fiasco. Unfortunately we're there, but the hospice nurses
(46:00):
have been trying to shut us down. Why because I
don't think we're affecting their bottom line at this point,
but they don't like us telling the people the reality
of what they're doing. And the book is on Amazon.
This is the only book I've ever written, and I
just felt lad that I needed to write it. It's
on Amazon, betrayed by hospice and healthcare, and that is
(46:24):
the only way at this point that you can get it.
It's four hundred and eighty one pages. Because I am
verbose and I couldn't stop myself. I did go back
and take some things out that I said, Okay, that's
not really relative. But I had a friend that said
that she felt like I should only put the stories
in there that other people had gone through, you know.
(46:47):
And I just thought, well, if I'm telling you all
these sad stories, but I don't tell you what you
can do about it, and I don't tell you about
the drugs, and I don't give you resources, then I
think I'm doing an injus, right, I'm just depressing you.
And that's not my point. My point is to help
people so that they have their armed with the knowledge.
(47:10):
It's all in one book. It has chapter fifteen has
resources in it. There's a ton of resources in there.
There's a chapter on the COVID protocol, what they did
and what they should have done. There's a chapter on
medical aid and dying called assisted suicide. It's called many
different things. People say, you know, where's your proof that
(47:33):
people are using this for their benefit and using it
to make money. So there's a chapter in there about
all of the organization's hospice groups that have been shut
down by CMS by Medicare for fraudulent behavior. Bradley Harris
and Frisco, Texas was one that is a very well
(47:55):
known one, and he and twelve other thumbags are in
jail for sixty four years combined.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Maybe maybe we can have you back to tell us
a little bit more about them. We're actually so out
of time and this has been fabulous. Bye, and thank
you enough.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Oh you're great.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
We get so deep into the stories and again, you know, Marsha,
I want to thank you. I'm so glad that this
is getting more public anywhere we can help. Like I said,
I'm excited to share. And next time we'll get you
back and we'll talk a little bit more. But again,
thanks so much folks for tuning in. We're here Wellness
and censored. We love having you guys on. Please read
some of our prior shows. We come to you live
(48:35):
every Thursday at three pm. Again, Wellness Uncensored. You can
catch me online at Pattigilliano wellness dot com and you
can look for they call me Harriet and Marsha's book
as well. Just look her up on Amazon as well.
Thanks so much, Marcia. We'll see you guys. We hang right,
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hey, you welcome to another episode where we are live
with Wellness Uncensored. I'm Patty g your host, say Gedtric
nurse practitioner. I want to welcome you guys for tuning
in this afternoon. You know, we always offer timely informational
as well as just controversial subjects that are out there
that you might not see on the mainstream media. And
that's what makes it so much fun because we are
(00:54):
folks like you that just want to get the word
out on a lot of things that we just don't
seem to get the interest in the attention of, you know,
with some of those mainstream outlets. But we're getting there
each and every day we are and closer. You know,
Wellness and Censored became a part of our world about
two years ago. We've been on two seasons now, and
it came as a result of the pandemic. A lot
(01:14):
of things happened that I felt like working where I
was as an executive administrator and then turning into the
world of clinical as a psychiatric nurse practitioner, wanting to
share with people some real feelings, real tragedies, and we
are never, unfortunately without stories of some really tragic situations.
We've got a great guest on today and I wanted
(01:36):
to share a little bit more about her. But before
I do, just to give you background one of the
books I wrote, it's called They Call Me Harriet. That
book you can get on Amazon, or you can actually
tune into my website, which is my name Patty P.
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Speaker 3 (01:50):
T I.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Billiano g I L L I A n O Wellness
dot com and there you can find several of the
books I've written, as well as some good blogs and
really good information.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Frozen shoulder for those that.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
May or may not know, when you tune into psychiatry,
sources of stress and trauma can very much be a
real reason why you may suffer from a frozen shoulder
the medical term adhes of capsulitis. It's not the only reason,
but if there's no other explainable reasons, and if you
look into your history, you will find that a lot
(02:24):
of times buried trauma and stress manifest in the body.
We've talked about that lots of times, and so as
a result, I've written about it. I've had three of
my own, and I think I've cracked the code on
how to heal them pretty quickly. So it's in the
book and if not, if you have questions this show
or another show, we'll be doing more as it relates
(02:45):
to physiological trauma and things like that. But today I
want to welcome Marsha Joyner. She is actually someone who's
become a part of folks in our group former Feds
and now Betrayal Project, which the Betrayal Project is for
all of us who worked, lived and experienced the death
of loved ones, perhaps by homicide. We'll let the jury
(03:08):
rule out the verdict on that, and last week we
were in the pending moments of a jury verdict and
I wanted to just share with you all sadly, but
it's not over. The verdict on the Grace hearing was
not ruled in favor of a hospital homicide by negligence
and by misinformation of lack of informed consent, and the
(03:33):
hospital made a choice to make a nineteen year old
at DNR. But more to that, you can tune in
on our website. It's up just about everywhere, not on
mainstream meeting. If you have questions about that, just call
or text in. But today we've got Marsha Joyner who
has already written a book and want to introduce her.
(03:53):
She can share a little bit about the tragedy that
occurred in her life a few years ago, and she
can probably tell it best, but it's definitely mirroring the
same signs and symptoms of those who have power, wield
it and mislead and offer trust or any other explanation
and take determination of their life in their own hands
(04:14):
under the guise of medical care. So, without further ado,
welcome Marsha. I wanted to be able to share with you.
Here's her book, Betrayed by Hospice and Healthcare Stories from
the deathbedd So tell us a little bit about you, Marcia.
I'd love to have you kind of share a little
bit before things got rolling with this tragedy and then
(04:34):
just kind of how you you know, how you dealt
with it.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Okay, thank you first for letting me come on your
program to tell my story as well as to tell
other stories. And as we often say, knowledge is power,
and in twenty seventeen, I didn't have the knowledge that
I have today. So eight years ago, my mom was
in hospice, enrolled in hospice. She had congestive heart failure,
(05:00):
which is treatable with medication, and she was taken that.
Other than that, she had no cartilage in her left hip,
which caused pain, but she was not dying. But our
the physician told us that she qualified for that, so
she was enrolled in hospice. I think my situation is
a little different because my dad was the hospice chaplain
(05:23):
of that facility ten years earlier, and he served in
that position for fifteen years. So I thought, because that's
you know, because he was a hospice chaplain, that they
were just trying to protect him from taking care of
my mom after we lost her. But what they did
is they showed up to the house and she had
(05:43):
been on hospice for more than six months. And if
you've ever looked at the criteria for hospice, it's someone
has six months or less to live, but you're being treated.
That does not mean that that is an accurate figure.
They cannot predict that less they control it. And apparently
that is what is happening with hospice. They are able
(06:05):
to control your death because they are killing people with
their toxic cocktail. That's a bad thing. And I know
a lot of people say that we were at hospice
and they were so compassionate and so understanding and caring
and they're just wonderful organization. That's not what we have witnessed.
(06:27):
That's not what I witnessed. And I belong to a
Facebook group called Murdered to My Hospice and we have
almost six thousand people and they haven't witnessed that type
of behavior either. It's not compassionate. So backing up to
when my mom was in hospice, they showed up at
the house. They said, we're taking you to respite care
(06:50):
so they husband can get some rest. And they put
him in the room across from my mom, which is
not typical if you go to respite care, to payat
goes so that the caregiver can get some rest at home,
or go on vacation or just take some downtime. But
in this case, they took my dad, put him across
the hall. They immediately started drugging my mother with morphine
(07:15):
at a van and sentinyl. So she had been on
fentanyl before. The doctor had put her on twenty five
micrograms because of her hip because she was you know,
did have pain with that. But when she got there,
they started giving her morphine and said that her medication
was causing her to be constipated. Morphine causes constipation, so
(07:39):
that was an outright lie and Mom did not consent
to that. In fact, the medical records which are very
very important to get those while you're lock alive. Don't
wait till after they're gone. But the medical records showed
that she was afraid to take it and she cried
and when they asked her why, she said, I'm great
(08:00):
or morphine. I don't want to take it that on consent,
So they this was the day that she got there.
They started on Sunday. We had her private care provider
go over there and she talked to her. She fixed
her hair, my mom put lipstick on, she was eating
a meal.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
She was fine, and I.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Got a picture of her that her care provider, which
was like a sister to us at that point, because
she's a lovely lady and she's a picture my mom
sitting up in bed. The very next day, my mom
was not answering the phone, and when I called, I
found out they were given her morphine at a van
of ventyl one hundred micrograms a fentanyl. I want to
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stop at this point and say that fentanyl is one
hundred times stronger than morphine and fifty times stronger than heroin.
So that is a very very strong drug they gave
my mom. She went into convulsions, she started having reactions
from the drug. And how they handled that was they
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gave her more morphine and more ada van. So we
stopped the morphine and the adavan because we had heard
a morphine and we thought maybe out of m might
not be good. But the fentanyl because they caught it
a patch. And this is in twenty seventeen, and at
this time you haven't heard anybody dying from fentanyl or
the police officers, you know, touching it and needing narcon.
(09:29):
So we think it's like light a Durham patches that
she had been on for her hip previously, so ventinyl
the word fentanyl didn't scare us. We stopped the morphine
in the adavan. When we tried, I drove down six
hundred and fifty miles away from her, and I got
down there. I said, take her to the hospital because
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she was in a coma. She couldn't talk, she wasn't eating,
she wasn't drinking, she wasn't taking any medication, and I
knew there was something seriously wrong from Sunday being alert
and now this way. They said that if they took
her to the hospital, they would comfer with fluids, which
should have been an indication to me that that meant
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she needed hydration. But they would comfer with fluids and
then she would get fluid around her heart and she
would die from drowning. And that's a horrible way to die.
You don't want your mom to die that way, do you, sweetie.
They're swarmy. They act like they care, but they don't.
I mean, it's all part of their plan manipulation. So,
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to make a long story short, we did not take
her to the hospital. They started back all the drugs.
They continued with the fentanel that Friday. I asked them
not to put the second fentanel patch on. They were
doing two fifty microgram patches. It's measured in micrograms because
milligrams is so much more so because of the potency
of it. It's measured in micrograms. And the nurse said, well,
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if I don't, she'll go into withdrawal, will be chasing pain.
And again, you don't want your mom to you know,
to be pain, do you, sweetie. So my mom died
and they killed her. They killed her, they killed her,
and I immediately went to I called an attorney, and
you know, I called at least a dozen attorneys over
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the period of the next six months trying to get
somebody to do something. I contacted Medicare, the medical director,
I contacted him. I mean all of these people that
I contacted, trying to get somebody to do something, you know,
not because I want to pay out care less. It's
not about money. It's about money. And finally one attorney
(11:45):
said that if the reason that I did that nobody
would take the case is because there's no money in
it and hospice does not settle out of court and
they had mass mutual. They have big pockets and they
won't settle, so they don't take your case. So that
it took me six months and I found Ron Panser,
who was a hospice nurse, and he wrote the books
(12:08):
Health Euthanasia back in nineteen ninety eight when he's happening,
and he said, you know they're killing people. It's they're
euthanizing people in hospice.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
So it's a blower.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
I found him, talked to him and you know what
he explained. It wasn't because of your dad being a
hospice chaplain. This is just what they do. And I
said what do I do? And he said, well, most
people do nothing. They call me, they tell me, I
talk to them, and they go on with their life.
And I said, that's not how I was raised. I
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want to do something. And he I don't think he
believed me, and I think he just thought, you know
that I was somebody else just saying I want to
do something. So about six months later, you know, after her,
after she was murdered, I was on a podcast with
Marty on TS radio. And she has passed sadly, but
(13:05):
I was on the program and she came and she said,
I need somebody to do the hospice program because it's
bigger than I realized, and I'd like for you to
host a podcast, which I did for six years. TS
Radio went out of business this past January so we're
working on getting another avenue, another platform, because as a
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platform she's working on. But I'm very grateful to be
on this one because you have different people that will
hear this story. And my entire goal is to warn
people not to trust without verifying, because you know, people
say that it was compassionate, and there are people you
know died and hospice was wonderful and great, and everything
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you read on the internet will say that true. And
if the people believed that their loved one died peacefully
in their sleep, you know, I don't want to burst
advice roble and say, you know, maybe they didn't, you know,
because they're okay with that. I mean, they think that's
what happened, and I don't want to ruin that for them.
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I don't want to cause them any grief. But how
else would someone die If they're at a coma, They're
going to die in your sleep, So.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
You don't really matter that rapidly and what I would
say tragically, you know, just kind of reviewing some of
the doses of of fentanyl. You know, it's usually fifty
to one hundred micrograms every one to two hours, and
I think you said one hundred milligrams.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's a lethal dose, you know.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
And morphine one hundred micrograms. That was a patch. It
was two fifty microgram touches.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
And if they kept doing it and doing it, and
then you add on to that morphine, you know, and
morphine is again less potent than fentyl, and the average
of that is, you know, ten to twenty milligrams. And
again it's with monitoring, sedation, pain management. And when your
mom was sitting up smiling, how was she doing before
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they started to administer these heavy doses.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Well, she went she went into a coma shortly thereafter.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, before they did, though, was she at least communicating,
She was talking, she was sitting there.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, That's what's phenomenal in your story, is that how
tragic your mom was at perhaps an end er, an
ending part of her life these weeks months, but they
just capitalized and just euthanized her.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
They killed her.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
They did, they did, and in days, I mean the
days they did that. And you know, and when you're
trying to take someone to the hospital and they're talking
you out of it on numerous occasions, yeah, there, you know,
and I've often said this, if a nurse and you
have them nurse background. I have no medical background. I
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have learned just by researching for the past eight years.
It's been eight years this month. But if you're a
nurse and you're giving those drugs and you don't know
that they're going to cause depressed breathing, agitation, constipation, nauseousness, nervousness.
If you don't know what the effects of the drugs are,
then why would you get them? And if you do know,
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you're complicit murder because everything says those are black box
drugs and you should not combine them together.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I mean, oh, absolutely, no, that's a fascinating thing. You know,
many years ago, my dad passed away in twenty eleven
and it was a much different story for him than
my mom, and we went down the hospice route. And
so most of my career has been in areas of
like emergency room, I see you, the operating room, and
then I got into psychiatry. But I will tell you,
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you know, the doses that you describe. Plus there's never
usually the combination of those drugs because it's so it's
just toxic. You can't sustain that level of drug It
shuts everything down. Respirations. You know, where my situation, I
had what I thought of reasonable experience on hospice because
when someone is truly, truly, truly at the end, and
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how it's done to minimize pain, we get all that
to minimize discomfort. My dad was only on point two
milligrams and worphine, and so when I hear that, and
I still had conversation with him, and he had no
kidney function. So in my case, I knew that it
was imminent because it was either dialysis or he was
going to die, and we wanted that death to be,
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you know, very pain free. It was a very different situation,
and they were not impalelling that kind of drug dose
in those levels. And so what happened after, you know,
you went on and you met this other It was
a nurse who wrote this book Ron Pans.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, And then where did you guys go from there?
Speaker 3 (17:51):
What?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
You know, what other things have you done or have
you been doing? Was there an opportunity to seek retribution
in a legal case or did they just shut it down?
Speaker 4 (18:01):
No, they did not. They shut me down. They said
there was not enough money in it. I went to
CMS with Medicare and I told them you know what happened.
And the guy said, well, did your mom qualify? And
I said, according to the regulation you know for enrollment, yes,
he goes. Then there's nothing we can do. If she qualified,
(18:23):
she qualified well an organization. My father moved in with
me after they killed my mom, so he lost his home,
his wife, his car, his church, and some of his
relatives in Georgia and he moved in with my husband
and me. And then we received a letter from Capper
c ap HR Belief and they were asking, you know,
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how was your stay there at hospice and what kind
of rating do you give them? And I gave them
a one star because I couldn't give them a zero,
and I wrote, you know what had happened to my mom?
Never heard from him? So I went to keypro KP,
which is an organization that is also an oversight and
I mean I laid everything out. I had the medical
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records and when they would come in and ask my
mother if she was in pain, she said no, they
would come. They gave her morphine and more autavan. If
they came in and she was resting peacefully, they said patient, no,
it shows no distress, resting peacefully. They gave her morphine
and out evan even though they had already put her
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in a coma. And the medical records are important, you know,
I said that while ago, But get while your person
is alive, not when they're dead, because when you look
at what they're actually doing to them. If I had
known that after they gave my mother it was like
ten fifty in the morning when they gave her this
(19:49):
ventanel patch. Within an hour she's having bad reactions from it.
Had I known that at the time, I would have
known that that is what the issue is. But I
didn't get her or medical records until after she was gone,
because you don't expect that somebody's killing them. Although we did,
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I mean, watching what was going on.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
We did.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
You know what's interesting about all this too, Marcia, and
it takes me back because there's so many stories and
I think this is where this time in our life
in the country, with some of the things that are
coming out and changing. Why your story is so important
is because again, well I'm not clinical in terms of hospice.
You know, I've got enough ICU and emergency room background
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as well as you know, the behavioral health side these
doses in compounding with each other. Just from what you're
telling me curls my hair. And beyond that, what people
don't realize is the greatest debacle of all time to
gain power and control and fear over the people. And probably,
I hate to say it, depopularization was the pandemic, but
(20:56):
prior to the pandemic. I'll give another quick example, just
to illustrate, because I don't know if folks really understand.
You know, I'm sure many folks out there are saying, well,
you know, you didn't understand. It was your mom, it
was personal, and they were doing the best they could
for And you.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Know, I go poo poo.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Doing the best versus doing the right thing is a
big deal. But when I was living in New Jersey,
a lot of people in the small town I live,
they knew my background, they knew what I was doing.
I was in hospital administration at that point as well.
And a very dark tragedy happened to a fourteen year
old boy. The vast forward of it was after he
had passed. He was on a moped a three wheeler
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with a friend, and the family couldn't understand what happened
to him that day, but they got a call that
he was en route to the hospital, and they met
him at the hospital where he passed. The family could
not get out of their head, how could this happen?
How could this happen? Let me explain to you how
real cover ups take place. This boy was on the
front yard with his friend whose dad was a state trooper.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
Trooper's brother was.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
A corner And when this all went down, said and
done what they produced to the family because the family
wanted answers, they gave a full Carner report, and in
that report they shared that the heart he just suffered
a cardiac arrest. You know, this happens, this sudden death syndrome.
It happens a lot now related to the vaccine injuries.
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But they don't want to talk about that either. But
why I want to just kind of comment on that
because your story brings to light this stuff's been happening,
and no one, like yourself, for myself, has ever really
been able to get it out there. No one would
listen to us. It's like, oh, you're grieving. When they
gave me the Corner report, because again my background in
cardiology and the r and the ICU, do you know
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what they did they put together a beautifully prepared report
and they described normal heart anatomy. But in the description,
if you were not a clinical person, like, oh yeah,
this is where it was. It was the heart and
the narrowing of the vessels. That's normal anatomy. And that's
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why they asked me to read. And I said, well, folks,
I got to tell you something. Bottom line is, I
think you've been duped. I'm not an attorney, but I
would share this with an attorney, and you get some
expert witnesses.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
And at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
They were able to get hold of all those involved
in the cover up, and while they didn't get justice
for the fourteen year old son, at least this grieving
family their only child, they were able to put to
rest that he didn't die from a coronary episode. He
died because he was on the property of the state
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troopers with his son and fell off the three wheeler,
fell backwards and hit his head. And in those moments
where he had changes in symptoms, loss of consciousness and
everything else, they didn't take him to an emergency room
just to get checked out, and he probably could have
been okay. So your story, like it's a normal case
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of hospice. Sounds like mom met the criteria, So what
did they do wrong? They didn't let her pass peacefully.
They accelerated the process and killed her. And that, folks,
you have to understand why do you all think so
many people were kept out of the hospitals as family members?
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Because even not being a clinical person, you saw things
that didn't make sense to you. And can you imagine
all the people that were hospitalized with COVID if they
saw the things that you saw as a non clinical person.
And this is why your story is so important because
it's a little pre COVID, it has credibility to it.
And again, the cover ups and the manipulation of data
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and the manipulation of good clinical care was at the
demise of your mom. And you know the other thing
that kind of rings to me because again you know
part of my background and all the financial benefits of
what happens when you have rapid turnover of hospice patients,
you get more So if you can get rid of
them quickly, you can bill, you get some more in.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
You get rid of them quickly, you can build.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Now that does sound like a little bit you know,
conspiracy theory my father.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
We had a very good hospice experience.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
But there are places out there, just like there's behavioral
health places out there. This happened in just north of
Tampa about three years ago. There is a place that
will remain nameless, and they brought in CMS and everybody
else because you know why, they were having such problems
with their behavioral health patients and people were dying, people
were being abused because they were extending time or cutting
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off times so they could have rapid turnover, of turnover
of patient flow, essentially the almighty dollar. So if you
don't have an ethical and you know, really somebody who's competent,
and people are just how can I make a fast buck?
This is what probably happened to your mom. It's tragic,
well it is. And when you talk about the money,
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let's talk about that. There is an auburgate cap in hospice.
It has changed annually the fiscal year and this year
it's very very close to thirty five thousand.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
So when they get that money and there is a cap,
and I will send it to you that there is
a YouTube out there that a guy is trying to
explain this situation to several hospices and tell them how
they make the best the most money for their hospice.
And I don't care if your profit or nonprofit, you
(26:36):
are not working for free. And you charge a certain
amount for going to someone's house. So say, for instance,
you charge one hundred and ninety two dollars that you
go to their house. And if they're in continuous care,
then that's another cost. If they're in respite care, that's
a higher cost. But if you go there, and in
his demonstration, it was thirty two thousand the year he
(26:58):
was talking about, so that probably around twenty seventeen when
my mom was murdered, you get the thirty two thousand.
This is his example. Someone is in there for a month,
thirty days, and they use utilize about six thousand dollars
of that thirty two thousand, they have a surplus now
twenty six thousand. That twenty six thousand goes towards their
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justification for another patient who's maybe there longer, like my
mom was there more than six months was recertified. So
if somebody comes in ten days, you got thirty almost
thirty five thousand this year. So you get that money
if you don't spend it all. And as you say,
you revolve the beds, whether they're in the home or
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they're in the facility, you're revolving the beds, and you
get to use that money for somebody else. And so
if you're charging one hundred ninety two dollars for someone
to show up at someone's house, that doesn't mean that
you paid one hundred and ninety two dollars for that
person to go there. If you're giving them bandages, for instance,
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if they have a wound and you do bandage or
you do the meta honey, you don't charge what that
costs you. You charge purplus on that. So it's about
making the money. And I saw a comment come through
while I go, which I will comment on this. My
mom went to hospice respite care because they tricked her
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into going for my dad. Prior to that, she was
at the house, and there were things that happened at
the house that I did not agree with, but I
didn't find that out until after my mom was gone
because they shouldn't complain about it. But later my dad
told me some things that were going on. So it
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doesn't matter if you're in a nursing home or you're
in the house and they're coming in if you are
not monitoring everything they're doing and watching the drugs and
keeping them from giving them to your loved ones. And
if you see your you know, your loved one talking
and eating and they're fine, and the next day, after
the nurse has been there, they're slurring their language, they
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can't eat now, they're not able to drink, they're agitated,
they're having a hard time breathing. Those are all signs.
Please read those signs. I didn't. I wasn't physically there
with my mom when she first went in, and I
didn't have enough common sense, knowledge expertise to read the signs.
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So you have to be on top of it personally.
For me, my dad passed when he was almost ninety four.
He moved in with us. He was eighty nine when
he moved in with us, and he passed at the
age almost of ninety four. We would not have hospice
in our realm. Ever, again, I don't see the point
in having them. And if you go to assisted suicide
(29:52):
and you say I want medical aid and dying, well,
why do you need to do that. Hospice is doing.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
It exactly well, you know, and I so appreciate all
that you've been doing just to kind of get the
word out.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Teresa actually just checked it, and you know, she's said,
thanks for sharing the testimony, and Anastasia, I mean, love
your comment too, and it's true. You know, folks, we
need to let y'all realize we're not saying not to
get some types of things done for your health care,
but you have to be very scrutinizing. These are businesses,
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and there are some good businesses, but there's a lot
of businesses like Marsha and I were just talking about.
I mean, I watched it with my own eyes, and
I was in different meetings with different hospital organizations, and
while there were some good ones, anytime or any chance
I saw something that didn't look right, sound right, and
it wasn't the almighty dollar. I'm like, wait a minute,
why are we putting this cost out there to just
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reap the benefits from the money?
Speaker 3 (30:50):
What about the patient?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
And Marsh's right, you know, and that's where the cost
benefit comes in. If you lose money on a patient
that's there for three hundred days, let's say in the
house that's kind of my background, you gain the benefit
of the other ones that you get in and out.
And remember, I've told this to folks so many times.
When you look at what happened during COVID, pre COVID
and where we are now, all of our measurable metrics
(31:15):
have changed. The metrics that were before COVID were about
wellness and safety and all these things because we could
measure performance and we could pay for it. With COVID,
it was sort of the practice test. We got away
with talking about deaths ventilators one drug that was the
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best drug, and we got reimbursed ferociously for death and
no one got to see it because we kept every
family member out. Like Marcia, who got to see some
of these things both at home and under their care,
she started to see things that didn't look right and
sound right, and she's asking questions and then it really
got to the point where she's like, this doesn't seem right.
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And it wasn't until she got the medical record. So
I encourage all of you and I challenge you. You
need to be able to get in with a family member,
get to the medical record. Your family member has the
right to ask to see their chart while in the care.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
You don't, but they do.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
And even if the person brings the chart to the room,
because it's mostly all electronic now, they have to scroll
through the chart and you can ask questions, And because
you're there with your loved one, you should certainly be
able to ask questions too. If your loved one gives permission.
You may not know everything, you may not understand everything,
but you'll read enough to go, I don't know about this,
(32:38):
and then go talk to someone. Or you can ask
more informed questions of the people taking care of your
loved one. But so you did all that and then
kind of where did things lead from there? Your mom died,
You reviewed the chart, you wrote this book.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
What that's telling?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Well? When doing the podcast, I had people on like myself,
who had lost their loved ones to hospice, And you know,
I'm just one of those people that I take notes,
you know, when I'm talking to somebody, I'm not taking
them right now, but typically I do take notes. And
their stories were unique, but they were different and they
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were the same, and the medications that they were used
on them, the same words that the hospice nurses gave
them and said to them, and the manipulation, it was
all the same and all over the country and all
different ages of people that this was happening to them.
It was manipulation, control and it's a money thing. So
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in February of twenty four I decided that I would
not just do the podcast, but that I would write
a book. So that's when I wrote the book Betrayed
by Hospice and Healthcare Stories from the Deathbed, because they
are they are from the deathbed. These people died because
they didn't know any more than what iw And in
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the group Murdered by Hospice, we have people that come
in that have just put their person into hospice. They
find us because they're just trolling around and looking to see,
you know, put the word hospice in and we perhaps
came up and they come in the group, and I'll
be I'm happy to say that there have been people
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that have been saved and they've taken their person out
of hospice and they you know, they revoked hospice, which
you can do. They've taken them home and they've lived
six months a year. So we feel very very good
about that. And then there are others that come on
that they were not fortunate and they lost their loved
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ones and their families don't believe them because hospice is wonderful,
it's compassionate.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
No, it isn't.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
And so they find a home with us so that
they know, yes, we validate what they saw. And like
I say, the stories are kind of the same, and
I think it's important for those people to have a voice.
So those that were on my podcast that you know,
I had talked to and still keep in touch with,
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and they wanted to have their story put in the book.
So in her book is there are thirty four stories
in the book from those people that witness their loved
one being murdered. And there are several in there that
come to your point, Patty on COVID, that they were
putting COVID and they were kept away from their loved ones,
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and their last sight of their loved one is through
a window from the outside of the building, tapping on
the window trying to wake her husband up so that
she could let him know she was there. He was
in a coma by that time and he died the
next day in respite care. There were people that they convinced,
like they did with my mother, that oh, we'll give
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you a tune up, and the person goes in for
a tuneup. Fifteen hours later they're dead. Or Dale goes
in because he spills coffee on him south and they
can't send somebody. This is during COVID. They can't send
somebody to help him take a shower. He can't take
a shower on his own. His son can't come in
to help him because of COVID. And they say, well,
(36:12):
we'll take you to our hospice respite facility. We'll give
you a shower and then we'll bring you back. So
they do that. He never makes it back. He's over
overdosed and he dies there and they say, well, he
became combative. Well, one of the things that you know
that I like to touch on is morphine can cause agitation,
(36:33):
and somebody who is opioid naive it is going to
affect him more, and if they're elderly, it's going to
affect them more. So he got agitated after they gave
him the morphine and then they give him at a
van to calm him down, or they well, how doll?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
How doll? I was going to tell you that, Yeah,
and they still do.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
They still do, right, and how doll is for people
that have mental disorder or Tourette syndrome that Sarah will
is another one they give them. And there are nurse
groups that have memes that say that if the patient
doesn't behave or is combative, or if the family is
combative with them and arguing, they'll give them a ham sandwich,
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adamant and morphine. It's cool. It's inhumane, and they restrict
them to their bed. I mean they can't get out,
they can't drink, they can't eat, they can't take their medicine,
and they kill them. It happens.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
It. Yeah, Oh, the question about trasodone. Trazodone is not
in the theme category of Trasodone is used a lot
for sleep. They don't use it a lot in the
older population. And in many of the cases, well, trasdon's
more in the you know, the antidepressant category. It's again,
(37:53):
for whatever reason, they go for the antipsychotics in healthcare.
The antipsychotics are so sedating that they'll give a how doll.
But the problem is, you know a lot of older patients,
they call it the sundown syndrome where they start to
get a little confused when the daylight goes away, it's darker,
they see shadows. You know, it's very sad and hard
for older people when they have that kind of you know,
(38:15):
loss of you know, the reality.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
So you give them hold on.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Then they really hallucinate and they do like like Marsha said,
you get agitated. And then here comes in the big guns.
They bring the adavan I mean, or the morphine or both,
and you're suppressing their respiratory status and so it's hard
to metabolize. So then that increases problems with their kidneys,
and then kidneys start to have, you know issues where
they start to shut down. So how Doll is definitely
(38:42):
not for nausea. Zofran is used for nausea pretty frequently,
but hal Doll is definitely not for nausea.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
And that's see, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Most folks wouldn't know what some of these drugs are
used for. We just say, oh, yeah, how Doll's used for. Well, no,
it's definitely not for knowledge. So being out of the hospital,
you know, this is where we all lost so much
ground because people we are not allowed to see and
witness the things that went on during the pandemic. This
(39:14):
started well before the pandemic and certain certain arenas like
you're discussing what would you tell people today that that
you know, still believe hospice could be an avenue for
them to pursue. I think you kind of mentioned some
of it, but do you want to recap that a
little bit?
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Well, if you have to. I mean, the thing is,
why would you need hospice. Let's let's talk about that.
If you say somebody has six years, six years, six
months or less to live because they have an illness,
are they treated for their illness, congestive heart failure, dopp dementia?
(39:51):
You know, are they being are they already receiving treatment,
Are they receiving dialysis? If they have kidney disease, if
they're receiving treatment for that. There's not really a difference
between palliative care and hospice care. Supposedly, if it's palliative,
they will continue to treat the illness, and they'll tell
(40:12):
you that. But there are so many stories in my book,
and I've talked to more people than the stories that
are in my book, that they stop the medication. One
of them Mary Nettles, that you know I mentioned her
nurse said to her, you know, she took the pills
out for her illness, and her daughter saw that she
was starting to climb, so she put the pills back
(40:34):
in there, and her mom started to feel better. And
then when the nurse showed up and she saw the
pills had been put back in there, she very rudely
talked to her and she goes, Mary, we're not doing
this anymore. You're just going to have to make a
decision here. I've told you there's nothing we can do
for that, and we're not going to give you this
medication anymore. And so because Mary was being talked to
(40:56):
like that, okay, and then she kind of withdrew because
you know, this nurse was being just downright rude to her.
So that's my first thing is do you really need them?
And if you need her loved one is actually in
the state imminent death. And that's what Saunders in nineteen
sixty seven created it for people that are actively dying
(41:21):
to minimize pain. Today almost anything. If you have dementia,
if you know Conjesin Barker or COPD, there are so
many things that can be treated that they want to
bring you in. Why because there's money, But if you
need that, if you're dying of cancer, you're in fourth
stage cancer and you're in great deal of pain and
you cannot get morphine to ease that pain, then maybe
(41:47):
you need hospice. Maybe, But then you watch the drugs
they give them, you read about it. I have a
chapter in my book that is on the medication that
they give you, and that sets shows you what the
reactions are when you do a combination of those drugs,
so that it's not just about the stories. There are
(42:09):
chapters in there that will show you what those drugs
will do to them, what the actual side effects are,
and if you put them together, what's going to happen.
So armed with information, then you can stand strong and
say no, you know, my loved one needs just a
little bit of more. Note you don't need to give
them out of end. They're not really you know, anxiety,
(42:30):
which more thing can cause. But if someone is anxious,
you can show them pictures, you can play music, you
can sit with them and hold their hand. There are
things that you can do you don't need hospice for.
And if you get into a situation where you absolutely
have to have them, then please do your own research.
(42:51):
My dad died without hospice. It wasn't pleasant. No death
is not pleasant. Most people do not die in their sleep,
you know. And when they are in hospice and people
think it's cuff care and they die in their sleep,
it's because they're in a coma and that's how they
died in the coma.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
You bring us so many good points I wanted to
touch on. You know. The one thing is think about
the whole money chain, right because we have to the hospitals.
I want you to know when you have somebody who
has some end stage stuff or they have a terminal illness,
if they are at any chance of risk of dying,
they're going to do one of two things because they
(43:30):
don't want a hospital death because that goes against their
incentives and their reimbursement.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
So if it's someone.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
Who really is too unstable to leave the hospital, you know,
making them a DNR can help, but putting them on
palliative care or you know, hospice is really the goal
because then they're not part of the mix of their
quality data that turns them to be not able to
be reimbursed. The other piece that I think is helpful
(43:56):
for people to know, like you said, when you put
a combination of meds together, much like in psychiatry, sometimes
you can create a bigger toxicity or a bigger problem.
I had a patient who came to me all kinds
of brain fog, thought she was getting Alzheimer's. The doctors
told her, yeah, you're coming down with Alzheimer's. And when
(44:17):
we recreate it and pulled back off of certain meds
and gave her better meds and maybe some better nutrition,
better vitamins, not only did she become more clear and lucid,
her family goes she doesn't have Alzheimer's. I said, yeah,
you know what we did. We took away some of
her medications. We want people to be comfortable, we want
people to feel good. But folks, let me tell you.
(44:38):
When I get patients that come to me truly as
train wrecks. They're on all these different medications for their liver,
their cardiac, you name it. And then they were also
on psychmeds, and they're on benzodiazepines. You start pulling away
some of those meds and start looking at some of
the basic stuff, and oftentimes the complication, the magnitude of
(44:59):
where the get to it's not the illness, it's the
side effects of the medication. It's incredible it's just incredible
at right. So tell people again, how can they get
your book and what's the best way to either reach
you or where's a place you know people can find
you through your book?
Speaker 3 (45:17):
What do you recommend.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Well to reach me. I'm on murdered by hospice and
a couple of days ago we were one of the
ones that were hit and our hospice page was suspended
and they said we it gets community standards and we're
like no. And so the founder of it, Liz Eisner,
(45:39):
she lost her husband in twenty sixteen and she had
started that at that time, and she went back and
she said, you know, we don't you know, we don't
wreat community standards. We're trying to help people. We're not
a violent group, and you know, so it was just
a big fiasco. Unfortunately we're there, but the hospice nurses
(46:00):
have been trying to shut us down. Why because I
don't think we're affecting their bottom line at this point,
but they don't like us telling the people the reality
of what they're doing. And the book is on Amazon.
This is the only book I've ever written, and I
just felt lad that I needed to write it. It's
on Amazon, betrayed by hospice and healthcare, and that is
(46:24):
the only way at this point that you can get it.
It's four hundred and eighty one pages. Because I am
verbose and I couldn't stop myself. I did go back
and take some things out that I said, Okay, that's
not really relative. But I had a friend that said
that she felt like I should only put the stories
in there that other people had gone through, you know.
(46:47):
And I just thought, well, if I'm telling you all
these sad stories, but I don't tell you what you
can do about it, and I don't tell you about
the drugs, and I don't give you resources, then I
think I'm doing an injus, right, I'm just depressing you.
And that's not my point. My point is to help
people so that they have their armed with the knowledge.
(47:10):
It's all in one book. It has chapter fifteen has
resources in it. There's a ton of resources in there.
There's a chapter on the COVID protocol, what they did
and what they should have done. There's a chapter on
medical aid and dying called assisted suicide. It's called many
different things. People say, you know, where's your proof that
(47:33):
people are using this for their benefit and using it
to make money. So there's a chapter in there about
all of the organization's hospice groups that have been shut
down by CMS by Medicare for fraudulent behavior. Bradley Harris
and Frisco, Texas was one that is a very well
(47:55):
known one, and he and twelve other thumbags are in
jail for sixty four years combined.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Maybe maybe we can have you back to tell us
a little bit more about them. We're actually so out
of time and this has been fabulous. Bye, and thank
you enough.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
Oh you're great.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
We get so deep into the stories and again, you know, Marsha,
I want to thank you. I'm so glad that this
is getting more public anywhere we can help. Like I said,
I'm excited to share. And next time we'll get you
back and we'll talk a little bit more. But again,
thanks so much folks for tuning in. We're here Wellness
and censored. We love having you guys on. Please read
some of our prior shows. We come to you live
(48:35):
every Thursday at three pm. Again, Wellness Uncensored. You can
catch me online at Pattigilliano wellness dot com and you
can look for they call me Harriet and Marsha's book
as well. Just look her up on Amazon as well.
Thanks so much, Marcia. We'll see you guys. We hang right,
everybody so right, see y'all, y bye a back and
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