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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hey, welcome back to Wellness and Censored. My name's Patty G.
I am a psychiatric nurse practitioner, and I am back
today with just some great stuff to talk to you
all about. We've got a wonderful guest to lined up
and wanted to share a little bit more about what
is going on in the world today with my friend
doctor Larry. But first just wanted to share you know,
(00:54):
we have had going on nearly two years, a wonderful
time sharing stories and experiences, and I really wanted to
get the word out to you all today to tune in.
I don't know how much this is going to make
the national news media, but today is the closing case
in Wisconsin for Grace Sharah, a nineteen year old who
(01:15):
has had developmental delays and died very untimely in the
hospital during the COVID pandemic. It's taken her father nearly
almost two and a half three years to get this
case to go to court. He spent over one point
six million dollars to raise the awareness.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And we're literally as.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'm hearing the closing of the closing arguments for the
jury to deliberate and what this means for all of
us and everyone out there who's ever lost someone tragically
in a hospital, not just related during the COVID pandemic,
but the gist of the hearing is about informed consent,
about DNRS and about the right to try.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And so I.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Encourage all of you to dig in. There's a lot
of information if you can get on substack. All it
takes is an email phone number and just register yourself
in and look for the grace share a court case.
There's live testimony that you guys can tune into. And
I think if we could get this out to the
mainstream media, it would blow the socks off what we
were trying to do with informed consent, vaccines and all
(02:21):
the things that you guys wanted to know, and we've
been trying to get you here on this show just
about things that you need to be really informed about.
That is why I wrote my book, and the book
is called they call Me Harriet. In that book, I
share accounts of misinformation and deception in the hospitals, as
well as my own COVID journey, and just hearing this
(02:41):
testimony today in the closing case, I have to say
it's one of those things that I just would like
to dedicate this show to Grace and her family because
let that young little girl not have died in Vain.
I think we really did her a lot of disservice.
So on that note, speaking of death, we've got some
really interesting stuff. Doctor Larry Burke, he's been on before
(03:02):
and he's got a wealth of information. Doctor Larry comes
to us as a physician. He's worked in radiology, Doctor
Larry'm going to mess this up muscular skeletal radiology as
a as a physician, and has gone on to become
certified in a variety of different practitioner categories of energy
health and healing, hypnosis, dream work, tapping and all kinds
(03:26):
of physical support to heal illnesses and just to transform
people who may be stuck in different cycles or different phases.
It can become very physiological. He actually has a really
cool ted talk that was I guess banned on YouTube,
but you can see it on his on his web page.
And i'd love to welcome doctor Larry. It's so great
(03:48):
to have you here today. And we're going to be
talking about near death experiences, dreams, supernatural things that he's
had experiences with with with patients, and so i'd love
to open up the floor for you to kind of
share a little bit about your experience with dreams and
your death and things like that.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, and before you started, could you spell the last
name of that girl that the trial?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
I couldn't even Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, yeah, good point.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, I'll pull it up here while we uh were
actually you fill in, and I'll do a little excerpt
so we can get started. I'm going to spell it,
we'll put it up there for everybody. We're going to
text it. Yeah, it's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
So yeah, I guess the basis for this discussion today
are really two fed X talks that I had banned.
The first one was that the Cancer Warning Dreams It
can Save your Life, and that one was initially released
on YouTube and then banned, And then the second one
was in two. That first one was twenty sixteen, second
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was twenty twenty two at Duke and that one never
made it to YouTube, it got banned out of the
starting gate and that was the title. That one was
the Spiritual Alphabet Soup of Death and Dying. And that's
a lot of what we're going to talk about today,
which covers four major states of liminal I called them
liminal states of death and dying. Where the most common
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one people know about his near death experiences, after death communication,
nearing death awareness, and the rarest one is the shared
death experience. And dreams factor into a lot of these
experiences as well.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Now, dreams and I don't know if any of our
guests will want to know, but like dreams is a
premonition of something bad to happen, or when you're feeling ill,
or if you're in the hospital and you're sick, actually
having in your death experience or.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Anything like that.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Yeah, I mean dreams.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
It can be pre cognitive and sometimes give you health information.
But in the context of the discussion of death and dying,
you can actually have dreams as part of a shared
death experience where you dream about someone who's just died,
or you can have people who were nearing death so
nearing death awareness where they actually are having dreams about
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time to get in line, the trains leaving soon, and
those sorts of dreams and also dreams of deceased relatives
who are coming to greet them.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
It's called the welcome committee.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
So I think that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Let's talk about that as far as like someone's recently
died and you start having dreams, because I have patients
and many of you folks out there may know.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You know, you've come to see me for a loss.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Of a loved one, and then you feel like you
had a dream about them, and you want to know
what that means, Like, what is that when we have
a dream after someone recently dies, is that possibly contact
with them?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yes, trained as a psychiatric nurse, I'll preface this by
saying that if you want to get this information into
the psychiatric literature, you have to do what a friend
of mine did from cal Cooper from Northampton and written
and he wrote a paper on hallucinations after death. So
(07:04):
you can't get a secry. You can't call it after
death communication. You call it a haination, a hallucination, and
that'll that'll get it into literature. So, but what's been
shown is that after the communications are very common, up
close to fifty percent. Sometimes they come in the actual
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form of a visitation, and a visitation dreams when someone
appears in the prime of life, not at the age
when they die. And those kind of dreams really get
your attention because it's like it might have be been
before you knew the person, but you still recognize them as, Oh,
this is what they look like when they were in
their primer life. And so that's the classic after death
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communication abbreviated a d C.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
And but after that.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Communications come in all sorts of forms. There can be
symbols that you recognize as seeming to be a sign
that someone know size communicating with you, like a rainbow,
or animals that appear in unusual places or unusual times,
other things that seem to have meaning to you, and
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they might not have meaning to other people. But some
of that may occur right around the time of the
funeral or much later.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
People do talk about that, they talk about and we've
got a couple of questions already, but just you know,
in terms of sounds we're seeing things rainbows, is do
we not necessarily dream related but seeing signs and symbols.
What your thoughts and experience on when you see things
that are familiar things that may bring you that person
who passed away.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
You think that's a sign.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
In my own father's death, there was a moment when
a year or two after he died, we're all the
whole family gathered for union up at his favorite restaurant
on Mount Washington and overlooking Pittsburgh in the Golden Triangle.
My dad had been that had been his favorite spot
to photograph when I was young, and later he had
(09:06):
a series of panoramic photographs overlooking the Triangle. And while
we're all there admiring the view and reminiscing about Dad's
love of this this site, there was a huge double
rainbow over the pisp over the Pittsburgh skyline and it
wasn't raining, and it was like must have been raining
far off in the distance, but that was like, uh,
that was like Dad waving at us and saying, hey, yeah,
(09:28):
I'm here.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
See it's stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And I think a lot of people find happened after
someone dies that gives them a sense that that person
is still here.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
In a different realm.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And I wonder who's really explored that, Like can you
talk a little bit about.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
So yeah, I've opened papers exploring it and I mentioned
the one by cal Cooper was in the Psychiatric but
the original people who wrote about with the Guggenheims, they
wrote a book called Hello from Heaven, and that was
like sort of the big moment of getting people to
talk after the communication. But there have been a number
of other ones as well, and one of them is
(10:06):
by Diane Archangel that's her real name, and writes about this.
And it turns out that if you acknowledge those experiences
and don't deny them, if you're hearing about it from
say a client or a patient, and I just usually
reinforced it, Oh, that might be an after the communication
rather than dismissing it, because it turns out that if
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they have those experiences, that often alleviates their sense of grief,
like they've especially a visitation dream, which are the most
you know, if you dream about them just the way
they were when they died, that might be some residue
left over from you know, your recent experience that this
shows up in your dream. But if they show up
(10:48):
the primate life and you have a full blown visitation dream,
that usually has a powerful impact.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, And I think people are moved to believe that
because I think there's a whole lot that we don't
know in your Like, there's a lot of articles and
literature that has been written about dreams, even books.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I mean, there's a lot of stuff out there.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I think people just wondering, Like some of our guests
are asking questions, you know, does everyone dream?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
And I think it depends on everybody.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Dreams, not everybody remembers. It's everybody dreams, but not everyone
remembers them. And in order to remember your dreams, it's
just important. I usually set the intention every night when
I go to bed, I just say by asking a question,
I'd like an answer to this question.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
I'd like, I'd like my dad to come visit me.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I'd like, whatever it is you want and just put
that down and writing and dream diary and that prompts it.
The only thing I know that blocks dream recall probably
certain medications, but marijuana use tends to block dream or call.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Just for people taking THC or something.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I had heard that it kind of has the same
effect as some sort of sleep aids too, that you
really repress the ability for your brain to kind of
keep firing away with neurotransmitters. It kind of dampens it down,
which is why people tend to like it to get
some good rest. But you're right, and I think they don't.
At least that's what i've that's what I've.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Read now on a more far out level. Cal Cooper,
my my par psychology friend, rewrote a book that was
originally called Phone Calls from the Dead. People would get
a phone call he recognized the voice of the seased
loved one on the other end of the phone, and
there would be some kind of message, and it was
those are quite startling when they occur. But he he
(12:23):
enhanced that story to include text messages from the dead,
including people who are I don't know why you would
do this, but are buried with their cell phones. The
text messages are still coming u from the other side.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Well yeah, and you know, I think that's the thing.
I was reading a little bit more about dreams. I
actually was misinformed. I thought it was you had to
get into the deepest stay of sleep and you had
to get to like through the four phases of sleep.
But dreams actually seem to happen when you're in a
little lighter sleep, which maybe is.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Why in the ram cycle, you know you're and you
dip into the RAM cycle every ninety minutes about and
so you might have in the course of an eight
hour night, you might have five or six dream cycles.
And I generally say that the early dreams often have
residue from the night the day before, and just because
it's residue from the day before, it doesn't mean it's
(13:17):
not meaningful. And your subconscious just latches onto those and
reminds you about them. But the ones that are closer
to dawn tend to have the deeper subconscious content coming
from your right often from your right brain, with vivid images.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, I've had that experience. I've had that experience, and
some of them you just wonder what kind of sense
they make. One person did ask, you know, and I
guess we kind of answered it. Do dreams only happen
in RAM? And typically that's really we identified.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Sypically, although there are these states of hypnagogic and hippopompic,
and when you're when you're falling asleep or waking up,
you may be passing briefly through some theta it's usually
the theta brain I state that gives you the most
good images, and those are fleating images that occur as
you're falling asleep or as you're waking out, which sometimes
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have meaningful content.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And I have heard too that even though we may
not recall our dreams, but getting through those phases, you know,
in through the rim phases of sleep is really where
we do get the best rest. So that if people
have a very shortened sleep cycle and they're not getting sleep,
this is where I'm finding people come in and they're
sleep deprived. So, you know, I think getting sleep is important,
(14:30):
but to the degree that they remember their dreams, that
may be difficult for some, but we definitely That's what
I try to do is encourage people to really be
able to get that good, RESTful sleep and create some
good sleep hygiene so that they, you know, the movement
during the day, maybe take some natural supplements, you know,
to help them fall asleep. But here's a good one
Molly had asked about when a person passes this life
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and they enter on an alternate continuum and continue on
that one.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
What are your thoughts delta under that.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I think the whole discussion of survival after death, and
that's been a hot topic for over one hundred years.
And it's also interesting that in the spiritualist community that
you once to do these seances. They really embrace that
idea that you can access these spirits, spirits through different
(15:21):
trans mediumships and things like that. But I've found fascinating
with the spiritualists is apparently they don't believe in reincarnation. Yeah,
I guess if someone had already reincarnated, how could you
access them as as a spirit. On the other side that,
you know, these are theoretical questions that don't have an answer.
(15:42):
And also if you believe, as many of the near
death experiences do, that everything happens at once, you know,
time is not linear. It gets much more complicated when
you go down those rabbit holes.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
How about the TED talk.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I'd love to get people to kind of tune in
and watch it. Can you talk a little bit about
what you shared on that to talk?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean, if you go to le Magic Capain
dot com or Larrybird dot com, same website. I've got
that spiritual about super death and dying posted there, and
in twelve minutes I covered NDEs nearing death Awareness, death
experience and after this communication with examples from my own
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life experience and in terms of percentages, near death experience
is supposed to occur in about four percent of the population.
So if there's if there was say just for around numbers,
if there was ten billion people on the planet, that
means the four hundred million people would have had a
near death experience, which is a lot of people. And
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that's why sometimes I like to refer to this phenomenon
is when you look at the four transformations that occur
psychospiracy to people after an NDE, that they have no
fear of death when they come back, they have an
increased sense of purpose or altruism. There was for a reason,
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we're getting spirit communication coming through here.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I thought it was on mute. I cannot be even
be outdone by the dogs. Uh huh, I'm going to talking.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
I thought it was. I thought it was a spirit
communication coming in through from the other side through me.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy, and I just can't have
appliant spot.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
And then the third thing, the uh, they have increased
psychic abilities. And I was telling this to one of
my radiology fellows after training him an MRI for a
year at Duke and the last month I happen to
read this book on Transformed by the Light talking about
these four characteristics of nd survivors or experiencers, and he
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started getting really pale as I was describing this. Oh,
I had a skiing accident when I was ten. I
was in a coma for a week. When I came back,
I had no fear of death. I felt like I
was sent back to go to medical school because I
was a class colm before that. And I I always
know who's on the other end of the phone before
I pick it up. And I said, where's your watch?
He goes, Oh, I can't wear a watch, as they
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stop all the time. And my wife gets to fix that.
And I said, well that's the fourth trait. People tend
to be electromagnetically altered after their near death experience. And
so he had all four of them. And when we
lived at the four of those in as a whole,
and you realize, okay, have you ever heard of you know,
healers who have no fear of death and psychic abilities
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And it sounds a lot like someone we know who
died and was resurrected, you know. So it's the My
sort of concept of this was that we're basically resurrecting
all these people. I mean, another term for resuscitation is resurrections,
and this has been going on since the fifties. We've
been resurrecting people with our technology are the fibrillator, which
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was didn't exist back in the thirties and forties. So
we're bringing back all these people from death and they're
reporting these amazing using experiences and they're transformed afterwards. And
so this is my concept that we're really creating the
Second Coming through our technology. So these people are coming
back with that with a sense of christ consciousness after
their MDes and we're reaching a critical mass. We have
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four hundred million people on the planet who've had this experience,
so it's got to have an impact on the overall
consciousness plan that means.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well, and you know, funny on topic, maybe off topic,
but I was thinking to myself today there's a lot
of people that are involved with the AI and chat
GPT and if some people may remember this, I know
at least you know my generation, but space outicety two
thousand and one and how the big computer And I'm
going who programmed how?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
And now we've got AI.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
And I'm going who puts all that information for AI
to spit out like it's created? But where is it
created from which takes us into like something even.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Well, well, it's also if you're one of my favorite
writers and inspirations from my right, Pierre tart to Chowdain
and the Jesuit mystic palontologist priest who was as communicated
and sent to China, not me, he was exiled to China.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Excellent.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
But he wrote about the concept of the nosphere, and
the nosphere is his term for the consciousness of the Earth.
There's the lithosphere as the rock, there's the biospheres all
the life on it, and then the nosphere is the consciousness.
And he predicted back in the fifties that the no
sphere would be created by our technology. And if you
think about the Internet as a global neural network, that
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makes a lot of sense. And then we have AI
emerging out of that. Yes, so I think Hayard was
envisioning this over eighty years ago.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, it's incredible. I mean, and again, I know, like
this other set wanted to know, what about the possibility
of two people that are alive visiting each other in dreams,
And you know, I've had that happen, and it's like
you are dreaming and you're dreaming it could be from
the day before, somebody were interact with, or just could
be random somebody you haven't seen in forever.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Maybe you're thinking about them.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
What do you think about when you're dreaming about somebody
else that had to like dreaming.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
About someone else. There are two possibilities. One is you're
getting some pre cognitive information that's important about what's going
on in that other person's life, or you're dreaming about
that person because they represent something important going on in
your life, may have nothing to do with them. So
usually when when we're doing a dream circle and working
on dreaming analysis, if someone appears in your dream who's
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familiar to you, we usually ask for three characteristics of
that person, and then they're they're outgoing, they're a lot
of fun, and and they're very wise. And so then
we would say, well, what parts of you does this
person reflect? And could the dream be telling you to
be more outgoing, more fun, more wise or it could
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be a dream about someone else and something important happening
to them. People dreaming about health conditions and other people.
It happens more commonly than you might expect, so and
I always leave the room open for any dream to
be interpreted in many different ways just because you think
it might be about someone else, and maybe it is,
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but it may also you may be dreaming about it
for your own purposes. So it and that's why I
refer to his multi dimensional dream interpretation. Don't assume that
one interpretation is the only meaningful way to work with
that dream.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Is that like premonition dream then, or like.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
I mean, premanition dreams. And my friend Carlisle Smith is
a sleeper searcher up in Canada, was an academic sleeper
searcher for forty years, finally retired and wrote about his
real passion, which was precognitive dreams. He wrote a book
called Heads Up Dreaming, got an l fund on the
cover Carl Asman, and he ever since he was graduate student,
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he'd been keeping records of all his pre cognitive dreams,
as well as the pre connent dreams from his other
students that he had over the years and from his family.
And he calls heads up dreams those dreams that come
true either the following day or a week or two later.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Or even longer than that.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
And the dreams that tend to come true are usually
short and concise and vivid. They're not long epic dreams.
You know, they're telling you about your whole life. It's
like something very concrete that then you can you keep
a record of it, you can verify that that happened
two days later. And the coolest thing about his book, though,
is he said people who got good at this actually
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had the experience of being able to change the future,
and that I'd not heard of before. I'd heard of
having recognitive dreams and then having it come true like
a Daja voo type thing. But he had the instances
where someone's driving and dream and they took a right
turn and had a car accident, and when they realized
they were in that scene driving that car, they took
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a left instead of a right, and they avoided the accident.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
See that's the thing about premonition that I think is
so cool. If you have a little bit of knowledge
about something, when you're in the situation, you go, this
sounds this. I remember, like this was my dream, and
maybe you'll avoid doing something, or you'll just be a
little wary that day, a little more cautious.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
And I think we had talked.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
About that once, like sometimes those kinds of dreams can
really help you head off not that we can change
the future, right, Like, I don't think we're that, but.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
That's kind of the idea, right, Like if you get.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That gut in your you know, that that feeling, your
gut feeling, and then you have a dream about something,
it's sort of the same thing, and it's like, well,
you know.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I had a dream about that last night. I better
be a little careful today.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Yeah, I think it's wise.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
And also in terms of someone asked about the mutual dreaming, uh,
there is a discussion of that in the lucid dreaming
communities about people who intentionally uh plan to dream together
and we're going to meet at a certain dream space and
we're going to get together. And then you have people
talking about, oh, I saw you in my dream, and.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
If we're both lucid, we actually had a conversation.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
That we were planning to have then and then and
then go back and report about it. In some cases
it turns out that one person is loose and the
other person isn't, and so there's all kinds of variations
on that theme. But it's quite fascinating.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And you know, along the same lines, we've got another
question about like again, these near death experiences people in
a coma. Have you heard or read anything you know
about stories of people that are in coma? Kind of
the thing that I do know having worked in the hospitals,
even people that appear to be in a coma. Hearing
seems to be one of the senses that sticks around.
(25:32):
But what do you think about people in a coma
when they come back? And that's where they're talking about,
that near death experience, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Well, the most famous one is my friend Evan Alexander,
who wrote Proof of Heaven. And he was a neurosurgeon
who trained at Harvard and was working in Virginia when
he had E Coli sepsis and when in Macma for
a week, and there were people around his bed holding vigil,
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including his wife and his son and a couple other people.
But his wife knew a rather amazing intuitive back in
Raleigh that where they had been when they've been living
in North Carolina years ago, and uh and and they
contacted her, and uh and she happened to specialize in
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working with people in comas, which is interesting and uh so,
uh they said, would you please? Her name is Susan
Wrench Wrenches. It's like a Dutch name. R E I
N T j E S. And so she she made
a mission, made her mission to find Evan wherever he
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was in his coma, and and and she said he
found him hanging on the life by what looked like
a spiderweber uh a fishing line, and she essentially psychically
reeled him back in to his body and he eventually
woke up. They thought he his brain dead, they thought
he'd never come back, and so he woke up me
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to full recovery. And then he said that he had
vivid memories of the four people. He said, five people
who were at my bedside the whole time, and described
his wife as I think one of his other relatives
is another one was kids, and someone else and Susan,
And well, Susan had never left North Carolina while he
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was in Virginia in the coma, but he was aware
of her presence. And we actually had them give a
talk at the Ryan Research Center, which is the parapsychology
lab that used to be affiliate with Duke. I've been
a member of that for twenty plus years, and I
was the board president back in two thousand and seven,
and we had Evan and Susan held their stories from
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their own perspectives about what happened, and it was it
was quite amazing, And that's my best coma story.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
But I'm sure there are other.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Ones that is so cool, you know that that likens
itself to There was a you know, one of those
mini series on on one of the Netflix channels. I'm
sure you'll remember what one it is, or maybe Doctor
Larry but not spider Wick. But they would go in
and they were like in the upside down world, and
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in the upside down world, that's what they did. They
reached into the upside down where things didn't make sense
and they were able to bring their friends back out
almost as if like, you know, it sounds like.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
That might be stranger things.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
You're talking stranger things, you got it.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
That was a somewhat dark twist on a much lighter
version of that in a Canadian doctors show. I can't
remember the name of it right now, but it was
about a doctor who was in a car accident when
in a coma, and then they show.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Him walking around the hospital for the next couple of months.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
As it goes they finally did he does finally make
it back to share some of that with the people
who are who are alive. So I can't remember it was, uh,
I can't remember the name of show, but it's a
Canadian doctor show and not.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
That many of us.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
But that's a pretty cool thing about it, Like, you know,
some of this stuff, I mean, while it is truly fiction,
you got to wonder some of these stories that when
people share them, you know there's something too some of
those stories. And so you know, when you're laying in
a hospital bed and you know, like this person had
asked about being in a coma or when people are defibrillated,
and you know, just any type of being unconscious doesn't
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mean you're subconscious is not working and what are you
experiencing in that time?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Like what like we asked, what level are you on.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
About?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
I just googled the show. It's called Saving Hope if
anybody wants.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
To watch it.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Okay, that sounds cool.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Was a fun show.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Do you have any thoughts how to help people dream
better or to be more aware of their dreams? Like, well,
there was a movie that was like that where the
guy wanted to have a dream and he wanted to
go back to sleep so that he could dream because
when he was dreaming, he took himself back in time.
The movie was called Somewhere in Time. But the concept
of it, right like dreaming. If I set my intention
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and I've got my quiet room, I spray aroom with
therapy and I'm like, I'm going to dream tonight.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
I mean, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
There are herbs and drugs that supposedly assist you with dreaming,
and some of these are.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
In the book Inception.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
In the movie Inception with Leonardo DiCaprio that they were
using different types of IV drugs to get into altered
states of conscious and dream uh and lucid dream. But
the one that's talked about the most is galantamine, which
is a drug for treating Alzheimer's, but it does have
the effect of causing vivid dreams. I've never taken any
(30:43):
of these drugs. But also mug Wart, which is a
Chinese herb, apparently also can can foster some dreamer.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, that kind of gets me thinking about, like, you know,
hallucinogenics and altered states. And I guess just you know,
because I have people that will take melotonin and they
say they have vivid dreams. Where sometimes we give medications
and people do describe very vivid dreams, and I'm my
thinking is just neurotransmitters, Like your brain is calming, We're not.
(31:12):
We're not in fight or flight because some people are
very anxious and calm. The fight or flight does that
relax the brain to go okay, let me process process
things well.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Low dose nultricks On does cause some.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Dreaming, which and that people are taking that easy for
some sort of autommune disease. But melatonin, you know, in
different dosages sometimes does cause uh, you know, dreaming, but
the usual dose is like three or four milligrams. I
have to confess at the moment, I'm taking sixty milligrams
on melotone the night. So I'm taking high dose altona
(31:47):
and it's having very little impact on my sleep.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
And the reason for.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Taking high dose and altona is not anything to do
with sleep. It's it's the most one of the most
powerful antioxidants she can take. It has very power howerful
anti cancer properties, prevents Alzheimer's and macular degeneration.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
So I'm taking it for that reason.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
And people have taken up to one hundred and eighty
milligrams a night, crazy amount of all tnate. But the
people the research on it to show that there's like
no side effects and uh and it's not addictive. You
can go off it and go back to what we
were doing before. Apparently your pineal gland is flexible in
that that regards.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Oh yeah, that pineal gland.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
That's something that I've heard a little bit about. But
the pineal gland, I guess somehow gets dampened down with
some of the frequencies, radio frequencies or whatever you want
to keep pineal gland sharp.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Sensitive telectronic fields, also sensitive. Defluoridation of waters mostly causes
calcification or pineal land. And there was a recent study
on COVID vaccines showing that the CODE vaccines were damaging
many endercann organs, including the pineal gland.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, that's that's a whole lot. We've got to talk
about that sometimes too. Let's take a break real quick.
I want to give you guys the information. I don't know,
well if you can put anything up that I sent
to you, but grace shaah. The testimony, it's they finally
brought the jury to tears. So I'm telling you, I'm
watching it like you watch a close caption football game.
It's that intense that her last name is spelled s
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h A r A out of Wisconsin, and I encourage
everybody you can actually watch the prior days of court testimony,
but today, of course is the most profound. And you know,
again it's it's personal. It's personal because this is how
Wellness and Sensor actually came to be here for you
guys on the airways because having survived some of those
(33:38):
tragic hospital protocols. You know, I wrote the book, we
got the podcast going, and we're here.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
We're a light.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
We're a resource of what people typically don't find on
mainstream media, and we're proud of that because we want
to continue to share things that we find and it
can be helpful and useful in life changing. So make
sure you guys take a minute look up Grace share
Scar out of Wisconsin. And that case, it's literally probably
(34:08):
moments to hours, hopefully not days, but moments to hours
of the jury deciding the fate of really what our
future is to make decisions in healthcare. And she was
nineteen years old, autistic developmentally delayed, and her parents did
everything they could to try to be involved in her care,
(34:28):
and the people at the hospital made a decision. They
made her a DNR without the parents' consent, even though
she was nineteen. They provided medications across her journey in
the hospital that took her down a road where we
believe that she was compromised. So I just wanted to
pass that on. So and again we've got doctor Larry
(34:50):
back here with us. We are talking about dreams, what
dreams mean, and how to use them to maybe be
instrumental in moving forward. We also talking about dreams that
perhaps when someone is in a coma or in a
near death experience, what are some of the things they
see in here? And we've had some really good questions,
(35:10):
so I appreciate you guys sending in questions and thanks again.
I know some prayers are out there for Grace Shara,
so thanks so much for that. But yeah, I don't know,
doctor Larry, you and I have kind of been down
those roads, often against the mainstream media. What other fascinating
things you know have you seen in your career with
the brain the mind dreaming?
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Perhaps one of the most interesting phenomena is the shared
death experience, which is probably the most rare all the
things I've mentioned. Tell us that is occurs in two
different ways. The classic way is someone is having a
bedside vigil or someone a person who's dying, and that
person is relatively intuitive, and they notice as the person
(35:58):
starts to die and leave their body, they can see
the soul leave as a shimmering entity and goes up
toward the tunnel of light and which which often the
room starts to change its dimensions and its characteristics. There's
years and might be angelic music or anything. And then
the person who is holding the bedside vigil actually has
(36:21):
an out of body experiences and goes up into the
tunnel with the person who's dying and falls in the
whole way to the threshold and the other person goes
on and dies and they're sent back. So that's far
out and that does occur, And a guy named William
Peters wrote a book about that, And actually the first
book written about was by Ray Moody, who the physician's
(36:45):
psychiatrist who coined the term near death experience back in
the seventies. But his more recent book than like twenty ten,
I think it was with Glimpses of Eternity, which is
about their death experience. When I went to include that
in my ted talk these and sponsors who were screening
on my slides said, well, you can't mention Ray Moody.
He's a quack and he's like, he's the death experiences.
(37:08):
I was like, okay, so, but fortunately I had talked
to Ray about this and Ray said, oh, yeah, he goes.
Just just use William Peter's research in his book. And
William Peters published a paper on near death experience and
then he uh, he published a book on it too.
It's something about crossing over. I can't remember what it was,
but it's it's hed a whole project on collecting information
(37:31):
on shared death experiences and it was.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
The stories are quite.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
A shaking yeah, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
It's amazing some of the things. And there's just you know,
often people wouldn't get to hear about these things because forever,
as far as they go, it's just not stuff that's
out there, and you know, and there's so many books,
so it's great to get different stories like this out.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
And the other version of sharedo experience is a remote
shared experience, which I had when my aunt died. And
my aunt Betty was you know, my mother's sister, and
she had chronic emphasim. I was always on an O
two tank. But you know, she wasn't near death that
I was aware of. But one night she appeared in
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a dream to me in the prime of life and said,
little Betsy's going home. That's what she said to me,
and waved at me and then went off, and she
was I had seen some photographs of her when she
was younger, and it looked like that, but obviously I
didn't know her when she was younger. And then the
next morning I asked, my mother, how's your sister going, Oh, she.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Died last night.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
And so that's the other form of shared of the
experience when someone comes to you as as they die,
and that that's not uncommon occurrence. Sometimes it's in a
dream like I had, or other times people have even
had it as a visitation vision, like they'll see someone
standing at the foot of their bed and I'll be like, oh,
(38:57):
what are you doing here?
Speaker 5 (38:58):
You know is coming to say goodbye.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I've heard that. In fact, I don't know, maybe I've
even experienced it.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
But when I see sometimes people that have passed in
a dream, I'll see them as if they were much younger,
a teen or a twenty year old. And it's kind
of weird because like, I don't even think I knew
them when they were that age.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
But oh my gosh, you know, and I've heard people so.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Technical they call it a visitation dream when that happens, Okay,
I've been visited.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
That's exactly not a dream. That's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
And and what do you do with that, like when
you're have you ever talked to people or even yourself?
You know you're in the moment, I guess just write
it down when you wake up so that you don't
forget to.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Yeah, and I write everything down. That's it.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
I usually recommend people keep uh their dream direct by
their bedside, and when you wake up remembering you had
a dream, it's a good idea to lay there for
a second and just rehearse it, get all the pieces
of the dream before you get up to write it down.
Sometimes just getting up for your notebook is enough to
lose parts of the dream. Sorry, you get up and
write it down, and then if you sleep by yourself,
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you can record it into a cell phone, which is
nice because then you can download it on your computer
and then that's searchable. You can weeks or days they
you can go back and search it. I have a
dream on parrots or whatever it was, you know, and
then you can find it. But otherwise, if you're sleeping
with someone else, I recommend getting a red flashlight or
(40:23):
red pen so you can click that and turn it
on without any white light which would disrupt your pennial function,
and then just write with a red light. And there's
a pen called the glove Open you can get from Amazon,
which a pack of three pins with a led in
the built into the pen.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
You just turn it on. It costs twenty bucks. Just
make sure you get the red one.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
And I think there's different colors of them, the glov
O glov Io.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Wow, that's a good idea, I think.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, writing things down and as soon as you wake up,
you know, thinking about your thoughts, like you said, is
really a good way to try to keep that all fresh.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Especially then don't assume you're going to remember it in
the morning. You got to write it down when you.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Have How do I recommend people get it? Analyst, I
know you do some work like that. What do you
do to help you?
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
The Ryan Center has a dream group that meets the
third Monday of each month seven to nine pm Eastern
Standard time, and anybody can join that. If you're a
Ryan Center, remember, which costs like sixty five dollars a year,
you get to come to all the monthly groups for free.
If you just want to come to one month's worth
of groups, it's like a ten dollars charge. And that way,
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we usually have four or five people share a dream
and that to our period and we all use the
International Associates for the Study of Dream protocol which is
called the Monty Almond Protocol, where you listen to the
dream twice and then you ask clarifying questions about details
of the dream, not about what it means, but just
tell me more about that what colored shirt did they
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have on or something like that. And then once you
do that, then once you had the questions answered, then
the members of the group offer the reflections and they
do it a specific format, saying, if this were my dream,
I would wonder about that particular symbol. So you're not
telling the dreamer what their symbol means. You're telling them
if I had that dream, this is what I would
think about. So you get a bunch of different opinions
on any particular symbol. But if you're if you're if
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you're not in the dream group. One of the quickest
things you can do I use Perplexity AI, which is
an AI program Perplexity dot AI, and I just take
my dream in there and say give me the Union interpretation,
and ten seconds later comes back with a detailed union
evaluation or how about the Freudian perspective, and.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Oh wow, Perplexity AI.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
It's pretty and you know, it gives you the references
is if you want to know more information about it now.
It doesn't give you the personal perspective of the AI
having had that dream and this is what it would
mean to them.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
Obviously, I like it.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
I'll have to check that one out.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the good and the scary
about AI.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
It's like you kind of wonder, like where does that
information didn't come from?
Speaker 5 (43:02):
You know, like I was spending a lot questions where
does it go? Who's collecting all that information? Yes?
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I just picture like this, this
great Oz behind the curtain that we used to see
in the in The Wizard of.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Oz, and like, well, where is that Oz?
Speaker 2 (43:16):
You know, you gotta wonder, you know, I think my
husband watches a lot of ancient aliens sometimes and I
start hearing and seeing things and I'm like, who comes
up with all these questions in these places that they
go to? So, you know, it just kind of lends itself.
There's got to be more exploration about the brain and
dreams that we really haven't dug into. And when you
think about it, you know, if we'd spend a little
more time learning about our thoughts. We think about our
(43:39):
thoughts during the day, right people get anxious, stressed, worry, depressed,
you name it. But there's a whole other side of
us when it's time to sleep that maybe we need
to spend more time as we wake up going what
did I just experience last night?
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Have you ever woken up tired and you were in
this dream where you were in motion?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
The whole time I've had that happened where I feel
like I'm traveling.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
And then I wake up and I'm like, oh, I've
been I've been all over the world. That's what it
feels like anyway.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
One of the most one of the most exhausting dreams
are the classic anxiety dreams where you think you're unprepared
for a test. You know, that's just happens frequently. It's like,
oh my god, or I'm want i wind up back
in the radiology department and and I've been retired for
almost four years and I'm I'm I'm not I'm not
able to interpret this particular study correctly, or or I'm
(44:29):
on call and I don't have my deeper But those
are classic anxiety dreams.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
My biggest anxiety one is being back in healthcare in
some of the hospitals. And I'll tell you what, there's
no stress like being back in that world.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
But I'm with you now.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Now life is so much better because I help people
out of their stress.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
But tell us, how can people reach you? And how
don't you have an upcoming seminar? Or of course coming up?
Speaker 5 (44:52):
Good question, so a couple you know.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
One of the first podcasts we did was on the
Frozen Shoulder book with the Frozen Healing Book, which is
still selling one or two copies a day on Amazon.
And also it references your book as well. Yeah a that, yeah,
and now I haven't I haven't linked the call Me
Harriet book, but I might do that.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
In one of my future blogs.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
On controversial I was going to say it's a bit controversial.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Yeah, I'm gamed for that. And then my upcoming course,
I got invited to teach a Shift Network course, which
is a great platform for all kinds of mind body,
spirit healing box and that's going to happen in August
and September. I'm the big announcement will be on July
(45:42):
twenty sixth, and it's going to be chakra self healing
protocols for physical illnesses. So that's all seven chakras looking
at how different emotional imbalances might lead to different physical
illnesses physical.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
I think there's a lot to be said for that,
I really do.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
I think, like we talk about the mind body connection
and so physical illnesses when the body's under stressed and
how it manifests. So we'll have to tune into that.
And again, what's the best way for people to reach you?
Speaker 5 (46:12):
Your website at Larrybird dot com. And there's no e
in my last name. Just remember that and or let
magic Happen dot com. It's the same website.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Okay, Well, and I.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Want to thank you so much for your time back again.
I think our folks love hearing from you. We've always
got good questions. I wanted to connect the dots to
Like I said, while we're all talking about Grace Shara
out of Wisconsin, I also wanted to say June twenty eighth,
I'm going to be down in West Palm Beach. We've
got a seminar and it's actually called Thrive twenty twenty
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five and it's the Truth Movement. And in the Truth Movement,
we're going to have a bunch of folks down that
We're going to have Ivan Rakelin, Jen Dylan, Lisa McGee,
Mimi Miller, Steven Stern, Brad Geyer, he's in a turn
who's working on some of these COVID cases. We're also
going to have Judy Miklovich and she's a pretty cool
(47:07):
scientist who worked with great challenging Anthony Fauci and shares
a lot and doctor Sherry Tenpenny. I will be down
there with my book. Also, we're going to have a
Lieutenant Colonel Teresa Long Warner Mendenhall, who is fighting the
fight of several of these huge cases that no one
sees out in the mainstream media that we are fighting
(47:30):
to try to fight for the lives of the loved
ones who were lost through really bad protocols. So June
twenty eighth, get your ticket. It's down at the Hyatt.
It's at the Holiday Inn in West Palm Beach. I'll
try to get more on that for next Thursday in
case anybody's in the area of West Palm and they
want to go. It should be really exciting. But so
glad that we got a chance to talk about dreams
(47:51):
doctor Larry. It was good and you guys know how
to reach doctor Larry, and you know, maybe we'll do
another July or August follow up with some stuff because
you've got such great work.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
I'm also on subtect too. If people want to follow
my blogs.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Okay, perfect, well we will look for you there too
as well. So everybody have a great, wonderful week. I'd
love to dedicate this podcast to the share of family,
and our prayers are with you, and hopefully we're going
to hear the verdict we need to hear that will
change the lives of not just the Sharer family, but
the entire country of our right to try, our right
to choose, our ability to have informed consent, and let's
(48:29):
not let them decide if they're going to make us
a d n R or not. You guys, take care,
you will see you soon.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Bye guys.
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hey, welcome back to Wellness and Censored. My name's Patty G.
I am a psychiatric nurse practitioner, and I am back
today with just some great stuff to talk to you
all about. We've got a wonderful guest to lined up
and wanted to share a little bit more about what
is going on in the world today with my friend
doctor Larry. But first just wanted to share you know,
(00:54):
we have had going on nearly two years, a wonderful
time sharing stories and experiences, and I really wanted to
get the word out to you all today to tune in.
I don't know how much this is going to make
the national news media, but today is the closing case
in Wisconsin for Grace Sharah, a nineteen year old who
(01:15):
has had developmental delays and died very untimely in the
hospital during the COVID pandemic. It's taken her father nearly
almost two and a half three years to get this
case to go to court. He spent over one point
six million dollars to raise the awareness.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And we're literally as.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'm hearing the closing of the closing arguments for the
jury to deliberate and what this means for all of
us and everyone out there who's ever lost someone tragically
in a hospital, not just related during the COVID pandemic,
but the gist of the hearing is about informed consent,
about DNRS and about the right to try.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
And so I.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Encourage all of you to dig in. There's a lot
of information if you can get on substack. All it
takes is an email phone number and just register yourself
in and look for the grace share a court case.
There's live testimony that you guys can tune into. And
I think if we could get this out to the
mainstream media, it would blow the socks off what we
were trying to do with informed consent, vaccines and all
(02:21):
the things that you guys wanted to know, and we've
been trying to get you here on this show just
about things that you need to be really informed about.
That is why I wrote my book, and the book
is called they call Me Harriet. In that book, I
share accounts of misinformation and deception in the hospitals, as
well as my own COVID journey, and just hearing this
(02:41):
testimony today in the closing case, I have to say
it's one of those things that I just would like
to dedicate this show to Grace and her family because
let that young little girl not have died in Vain.
I think we really did her a lot of disservice.
So on that note, speaking of death, we've got some
really interesting stuff. Doctor Larry Burke, he's been on before
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and he's got a wealth of information. Doctor Larry comes
to us as a physician. He's worked in radiology, Doctor
Larry'm going to mess this up muscular skeletal radiology as
a as a physician, and has gone on to become
certified in a variety of different practitioner categories of energy
health and healing, hypnosis, dream work, tapping and all kinds
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of physical support to heal illnesses and just to transform
people who may be stuck in different cycles or different phases.
It can become very physiological. He actually has a really
cool ted talk that was I guess banned on YouTube,
but you can see it on his on his web page.
And i'd love to welcome doctor Larry. It's so great
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to have you here today. And we're going to be
talking about near death experiences, dreams, supernatural things that he's
had experiences with with with patients, and so i'd love
to open up the floor for you to kind of
share a little bit about your experience with dreams and
your death and things like that.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Yeah, and before you started, could you spell the last
name of that girl that the trial?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
I couldn't even Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, yeah, good point.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, I'll pull it up here while we uh were
actually you fill in, and I'll do a little excerpt
so we can get started. I'm going to spell it,
we'll put it up there for everybody. We're going to
text it. Yeah, it's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
So yeah, I guess the basis for this discussion today
are really two fed X talks that I had banned.
The first one was that the Cancer Warning Dreams It
can Save your Life, and that one was initially released
on YouTube and then banned, And then the second one
was in two. That first one was twenty sixteen, second
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was twenty twenty two at Duke and that one never
made it to YouTube, it got banned out of the
starting gate and that was the title. That one was
the Spiritual Alphabet Soup of Death and Dying. And that's
a lot of what we're going to talk about today,
which covers four major states of liminal I called them
liminal states of death and dying. Where the most common
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one people know about his near death experiences, after death communication,
nearing death awareness, and the rarest one is the shared
death experience. And dreams factor into a lot of these
experiences as well.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Now, dreams and I don't know if any of our
guests will want to know, but like dreams is a
premonition of something bad to happen, or when you're feeling ill,
or if you're in the hospital and you're sick, actually
having in your death experience or.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Anything like that.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Yeah, I mean dreams.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
It can be pre cognitive and sometimes give you health information.
But in the context of the discussion of death and dying,
you can actually have dreams as part of a shared
death experience where you dream about someone who's just died,
or you can have people who were nearing death so
nearing death awareness where they actually are having dreams about
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time to get in line, the trains leaving soon, and
those sorts of dreams and also dreams of deceased relatives
who are coming to greet them.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
It's called the welcome committee.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
So I think that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Let's talk about that as far as like someone's recently
died and you start having dreams, because I have patients
and many of you folks out there may know.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You know, you've come to see me for a loss.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Of a loved one, and then you feel like you
had a dream about them, and you want to know
what that means, Like, what is that when we have
a dream after someone recently dies, is that possibly contact
with them?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yes, trained as a psychiatric nurse, I'll preface this by
saying that if you want to get this information into
the psychiatric literature, you have to do what a friend
of mine did from cal Cooper from Northampton and written
and he wrote a paper on hallucinations after death. So
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you can't get a secry. You can't call it after
death communication. You call it a haination, a hallucination, and
that'll that'll get it into literature. So, but what's been
shown is that after the communications are very common, up
close to fifty percent. Sometimes they come in the actual
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form of a visitation, and a visitation dreams when someone
appears in the prime of life, not at the age
when they die. And those kind of dreams really get
your attention because it's like it might have be been
before you knew the person, but you still recognize them as, Oh,
this is what they look like when they were in
their primer life. And so that's the classic after death
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communication abbreviated a d C.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
And but after that.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Communications come in all sorts of forms. There can be
symbols that you recognize as seeming to be a sign
that someone know size communicating with you, like a rainbow,
or animals that appear in unusual places or unusual times,
other things that seem to have meaning to you, and
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they might not have meaning to other people. But some
of that may occur right around the time of the
funeral or much later.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
People do talk about that, they talk about and we've
got a couple of questions already, but just you know,
in terms of sounds we're seeing things rainbows, is do
we not necessarily dream related but seeing signs and symbols.
What your thoughts and experience on when you see things
that are familiar things that may bring you that person
who passed away.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
You think that's a sign.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
In my own father's death, there was a moment when
a year or two after he died, we're all the
whole family gathered for union up at his favorite restaurant
on Mount Washington and overlooking Pittsburgh in the Golden Triangle.
My dad had been that had been his favorite spot
to photograph when I was young, and later he had
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a series of panoramic photographs overlooking the Triangle. And while
we're all there admiring the view and reminiscing about Dad's
love of this this site, there was a huge double
rainbow over the pisp over the Pittsburgh skyline and it
wasn't raining, and it was like must have been raining
far off in the distance, but that was like, uh,
that was like Dad waving at us and saying, hey, yeah,
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I'm here.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
See it's stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
And I think a lot of people find happened after
someone dies that gives them a sense that that person
is still here.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
In a different realm.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And I wonder who's really explored that, Like can you
talk a little bit about.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
So yeah, I've opened papers exploring it and I mentioned
the one by cal Cooper was in the Psychiatric but
the original people who wrote about with the Guggenheims, they
wrote a book called Hello from Heaven, and that was
like sort of the big moment of getting people to
talk after the communication. But there have been a number
of other ones as well, and one of them is
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by Diane Archangel that's her real name, and writes about this.
And it turns out that if you acknowledge those experiences
and don't deny them, if you're hearing about it from
say a client or a patient, and I just usually
reinforced it, Oh, that might be an after the communication
rather than dismissing it, because it turns out that if
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they have those experiences, that often alleviates their sense of grief,
like they've especially a visitation dream, which are the most
you know, if you dream about them just the way
they were when they died, that might be some residue
left over from you know, your recent experience that this
shows up in your dream. But if they show up
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the primate life and you have a full blown visitation dream,
that usually has a powerful impact.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, And I think people are moved to believe that
because I think there's a whole lot that we don't
know in your Like, there's a lot of articles and
literature that has been written about dreams, even books.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I mean, there's a lot of stuff out there.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
I think people just wondering, Like some of our guests
are asking questions, you know, does everyone dream?
Speaker 3 (11:12):
And I think it depends on everybody.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Dreams, not everybody remembers. It's everybody dreams, but not everyone
remembers them. And in order to remember your dreams, it's
just important. I usually set the intention every night when
I go to bed, I just say by asking a question,
I'd like an answer to this question.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
I'd like, I'd like my dad to come visit me.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I'd like, whatever it is you want and just put
that down and writing and dream diary and that prompts it.
The only thing I know that blocks dream recall probably
certain medications, but marijuana use tends to block dream or call.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
Just for people taking THC or something.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I had heard that it kind of has the same
effect as some sort of sleep aids too, that you
really repress the ability for your brain to kind of
keep firing away with neurotransmitters. It kind of dampens it down,
which is why people tend to like it to get
some good rest. But you're right, and I think they don't.
At least that's what i've that's what I've.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Read now on a more far out level. Cal Cooper,
my my par psychology friend, rewrote a book that was
originally called Phone Calls from the Dead. People would get
a phone call he recognized the voice of the seased
loved one on the other end of the phone, and
there would be some kind of message, and it was
those are quite startling when they occur. But he he
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enhanced that story to include text messages from the dead,
including people who are I don't know why you would
do this, but are buried with their cell phones. The
text messages are still coming u from the other side.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Well yeah, and you know, I think that's the thing.
I was reading a little bit more about dreams. I
actually was misinformed. I thought it was you had to
get into the deepest stay of sleep and you had
to get to like through the four phases of sleep.
But dreams actually seem to happen when you're in a
little lighter sleep, which maybe is.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
Why in the ram cycle, you know you're and you
dip into the RAM cycle every ninety minutes about and
so you might have in the course of an eight
hour night, you might have five or six dream cycles.
And I generally say that the early dreams often have
residue from the night the day before, and just because
it's residue from the day before, it doesn't mean it's
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not meaningful. And your subconscious just latches onto those and
reminds you about them. But the ones that are closer
to dawn tend to have the deeper subconscious content coming
from your right often from your right brain, with vivid images.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, I've had that experience. I've had that experience, and
some of them you just wonder what kind of sense
they make. One person did ask, you know, and I
guess we kind of answered it. Do dreams only happen
in RAM? And typically that's really we identified.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Sypically, although there are these states of hypnagogic and hippopompic,
and when you're when you're falling asleep or waking up,
you may be passing briefly through some theta it's usually
the theta brain I state that gives you the most
good images, and those are fleating images that occur as
you're falling asleep or as you're waking out, which sometimes
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have meaningful content.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And I have heard too that even though we may
not recall our dreams, but getting through those phases, you know,
in through the rim phases of sleep is really where
we do get the best rest. So that if people
have a very shortened sleep cycle and they're not getting sleep,
this is where I'm finding people come in and they're
sleep deprived. So, you know, I think getting sleep is important,
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but to the degree that they remember their dreams, that
may be difficult for some, but we definitely That's what
I try to do is encourage people to really be
able to get that good, RESTful sleep and create some
good sleep hygiene so that they, you know, the movement
during the day, maybe take some natural supplements, you know,
to help them fall asleep. But here's a good one
Molly had asked about when a person passes this life
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and they enter on an alternate continuum and continue on
that one.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
What are your thoughts delta under that.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I think the whole discussion of survival after death, and
that's been a hot topic for over one hundred years.
And it's also interesting that in the spiritualist community that
you once to do these seances. They really embrace that
idea that you can access these spirits, spirits through different
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trans mediumships and things like that. But I've found fascinating
with the spiritualists is apparently they don't believe in reincarnation. Yeah,
I guess if someone had already reincarnated, how could you
access them as as a spirit. On the other side that,
you know, these are theoretical questions that don't have an answer.
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And also if you believe, as many of the near
death experiences do, that everything happens at once, you know,
time is not linear. It gets much more complicated when
you go down those rabbit holes.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
How about the TED talk.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I'd love to get people to kind of tune in
and watch it. Can you talk a little bit about
what you shared on that to talk?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Yeah, I mean, if you go to le Magic Capain
dot com or Larrybird dot com, same website. I've got
that spiritual about super death and dying posted there, and
in twelve minutes I covered NDEs nearing death Awareness, death
experience and after this communication with examples from my own
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life experience and in terms of percentages, near death experience
is supposed to occur in about four percent of the population.
So if there's if there was say just for around numbers,
if there was ten billion people on the planet, that
means the four hundred million people would have had a
near death experience, which is a lot of people. And
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that's why sometimes I like to refer to this phenomenon
is when you look at the four transformations that occur
psychospiracy to people after an NDE, that they have no
fear of death when they come back, they have an
increased sense of purpose or altruism. There was for a reason,
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we're getting spirit communication coming through here.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I thought it was on mute. I cannot be even
be outdone by the dogs. Uh huh, I'm going to talking.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
I thought it was. I thought it was a spirit
communication coming in through from the other side through me.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy, and I just can't have
appliant spot.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
And then the third thing, the uh, they have increased
psychic abilities. And I was telling this to one of
my radiology fellows after training him an MRI for a
year at Duke and the last month I happen to
read this book on Transformed by the Light talking about
these four characteristics of nd survivors or experiencers, and he
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started getting really pale as I was describing this. Oh,
I had a skiing accident when I was ten. I
was in a coma for a week. When I came back,
I had no fear of death. I felt like I
was sent back to go to medical school because I
was a class colm before that. And I I always
know who's on the other end of the phone before
I pick it up. And I said, where's your watch?
He goes, Oh, I can't wear a watch, as they
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stop all the time. And my wife gets to fix that.
And I said, well that's the fourth trait. People tend
to be electromagnetically altered after their near death experience. And
so he had all four of them. And when we
lived at the four of those in as a whole,
and you realize, okay, have you ever heard of you know,
healers who have no fear of death and psychic abilities
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And it sounds a lot like someone we know who
died and was resurrected, you know. So it's the My
sort of concept of this was that we're basically resurrecting
all these people. I mean, another term for resuscitation is resurrections,
and this has been going on since the fifties. We've
been resurrecting people with our technology are the fibrillator, which
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was didn't exist back in the thirties and forties. So
we're bringing back all these people from death and they're
reporting these amazing using experiences and they're transformed afterwards. And
so this is my concept that we're really creating the
Second Coming through our technology. So these people are coming
back with that with a sense of christ consciousness after
their MDes and we're reaching a critical mass. We have
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four hundred million people on the planet who've had this experience,
so it's got to have an impact on the overall
consciousness plan that means.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Well, and you know, funny on topic, maybe off topic,
but I was thinking to myself today there's a lot
of people that are involved with the AI and chat
GPT and if some people may remember this, I know
at least you know my generation, but space outicety two
thousand and one and how the big computer And I'm
going who programmed how?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
And now we've got AI.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
And I'm going who puts all that information for AI
to spit out like it's created? But where is it
created from which takes us into like something even.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Well, well, it's also if you're one of my favorite
writers and inspirations from my right, Pierre tart to Chowdain
and the Jesuit mystic palontologist priest who was as communicated
and sent to China, not me, he was exiled to China.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Excellent.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
But he wrote about the concept of the nosphere, and
the nosphere is his term for the consciousness of the Earth.
There's the lithosphere as the rock, there's the biospheres all
the life on it, and then the nosphere is the consciousness.
And he predicted back in the fifties that the no
sphere would be created by our technology. And if you
think about the Internet as a global neural network, that
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makes a lot of sense. And then we have AI
emerging out of that. Yes, so I think Hayard was
envisioning this over eighty years ago.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, it's incredible. I mean, and again, I know, like
this other set wanted to know, what about the possibility
of two people that are alive visiting each other in dreams,
And you know, I've had that happen, and it's like
you are dreaming and you're dreaming it could be from
the day before, somebody were interact with, or just could
be random somebody you haven't seen in forever.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Maybe you're thinking about them.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
What do you think about when you're dreaming about somebody
else that had to like dreaming.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
About someone else. There are two possibilities. One is you're
getting some pre cognitive information that's important about what's going
on in that other person's life, or you're dreaming about
that person because they represent something important going on in
your life, may have nothing to do with them. So
usually when when we're doing a dream circle and working
on dreaming analysis, if someone appears in your dream who's
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familiar to you, we usually ask for three characteristics of
that person, and then they're they're outgoing, they're a lot
of fun, and and they're very wise. And so then
we would say, well, what parts of you does this
person reflect? And could the dream be telling you to
be more outgoing, more fun, more wise or it could
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be a dream about someone else and something important happening
to them. People dreaming about health conditions and other people.
It happens more commonly than you might expect, so and
I always leave the room open for any dream to
be interpreted in many different ways just because you think
it might be about someone else, and maybe it is,
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but it may also you may be dreaming about it
for your own purposes. So it and that's why I
refer to his multi dimensional dream interpretation. Don't assume that
one interpretation is the only meaningful way to work with
that dream.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Is that like premonition dream then, or like.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
I mean, premanition dreams. And my friend Carlisle Smith is
a sleeper searcher up in Canada, was an academic sleeper
searcher for forty years, finally retired and wrote about his
real passion, which was precognitive dreams. He wrote a book
called Heads Up Dreaming, got an l fund on the
cover Carl Asman, and he ever since he was graduate student,
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he'd been keeping records of all his pre cognitive dreams,
as well as the pre connent dreams from his other
students that he had over the years and from his family.
And he calls heads up dreams those dreams that come
true either the following day or a week or two later.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Or even longer than that.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
And the dreams that tend to come true are usually
short and concise and vivid. They're not long epic dreams.
You know, they're telling you about your whole life. It's
like something very concrete that then you can you keep
a record of it, you can verify that that happened
two days later. And the coolest thing about his book, though,
is he said people who got good at this actually
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had the experience of being able to change the future,
and that I'd not heard of before. I'd heard of
having recognitive dreams and then having it come true like
a Daja voo type thing. But he had the instances
where someone's driving and dream and they took a right
turn and had a car accident, and when they realized
they were in that scene driving that car, they took
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a left instead of a right, and they avoided the accident.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
See that's the thing about premonition that I think is
so cool. If you have a little bit of knowledge
about something, when you're in the situation, you go, this
sounds this. I remember, like this was my dream, and
maybe you'll avoid doing something, or you'll just be a
little wary that day, a little more cautious.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
And I think we had talked.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
About that once, like sometimes those kinds of dreams can
really help you head off not that we can change
the future, right, Like, I don't think we're that, but.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
That's kind of the idea, right, Like if you get.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
That gut in your you know, that that feeling, your
gut feeling, and then you have a dream about something,
it's sort of the same thing, and it's like, well,
you know.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
I had a dream about that last night. I better
be a little careful today.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Yeah, I think it's wise.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
And also in terms of someone asked about the mutual dreaming, uh,
there is a discussion of that in the lucid dreaming
communities about people who intentionally uh plan to dream together
and we're going to meet at a certain dream space and
we're going to get together. And then you have people
talking about, oh, I saw you in my dream, and.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
If we're both lucid, we actually had a conversation.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
That we were planning to have then and then and
then go back and report about it. In some cases
it turns out that one person is loose and the
other person isn't, and so there's all kinds of variations
on that theme. But it's quite fascinating.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And you know, along the same lines, we've got another
question about like again, these near death experiences people in
a coma. Have you heard or read anything you know
about stories of people that are in coma? Kind of
the thing that I do know having worked in the hospitals,
even people that appear to be in a coma. Hearing
seems to be one of the senses that sticks around.
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But what do you think about people in a coma
when they come back? And that's where they're talking about,
that near death experience, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Well, the most famous one is my friend Evan Alexander,
who wrote Proof of Heaven. And he was a neurosurgeon
who trained at Harvard and was working in Virginia when
he had E Coli sepsis and when in Macma for
a week, and there were people around his bed holding vigil,
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including his wife and his son and a couple other people.
But his wife knew a rather amazing intuitive back in
Raleigh that where they had been when they've been living
in North Carolina years ago, and uh and and they
contacted her, and uh and she happened to specialize in
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working with people in comas, which is interesting and uh so,
uh they said, would you please? Her name is Susan
Wrench Wrenches. It's like a Dutch name. R E I
N T j E S. And so she she made
a mission, made her mission to find Evan wherever he
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was in his coma, and and and she said he
found him hanging on the life by what looked like
a spiderweber uh a fishing line, and she essentially psychically
reeled him back in to his body and he eventually
woke up. They thought he his brain dead, they thought
he'd never come back, and so he woke up me
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to full recovery. And then he said that he had
vivid memories of the four people. He said, five people
who were at my bedside the whole time, and described
his wife as I think one of his other relatives
is another one was kids, and someone else and Susan,
And well, Susan had never left North Carolina while he
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was in Virginia in the coma, but he was aware
of her presence. And we actually had them give a
talk at the Ryan Research Center, which is the parapsychology
lab that used to be affiliate with Duke. I've been
a member of that for twenty plus years, and I
was the board president back in two thousand and seven,
and we had Evan and Susan held their stories from
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their own perspectives about what happened, and it was it
was quite amazing, And that's my best coma story.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
But I'm sure there are other.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Ones that is so cool, you know that that likens
itself to There was a you know, one of those
mini series on on one of the Netflix channels. I'm
sure you'll remember what one it is, or maybe Doctor
Larry but not spider Wick. But they would go in
and they were like in the upside down world, and
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in the upside down world, that's what they did. They
reached into the upside down where things didn't make sense
and they were able to bring their friends back out
almost as if like, you know, it sounds like.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
That might be stranger things.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
You're talking stranger things, you got it.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
That was a somewhat dark twist on a much lighter
version of that in a Canadian doctors show. I can't
remember the name of it right now, but it was
about a doctor who was in a car accident when
in a coma, and then they show.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Him walking around the hospital for the next couple of months.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
As it goes they finally did he does finally make
it back to share some of that with the people
who are who are alive. So I can't remember it was, uh,
I can't remember the name of show, but it's a
Canadian doctor show and not.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
That many of us.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
But that's a pretty cool thing about it, Like, you know,
some of this stuff, I mean, while it is truly fiction,
you got to wonder some of these stories that when
people share them, you know there's something too some of
those stories. And so you know, when you're laying in
a hospital bed and you know, like this person had
asked about being in a coma or when people are defibrillated,
and you know, just any type of being unconscious doesn't
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mean you're subconscious is not working and what are you
experiencing in that time?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Like what like we asked, what level are you on.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
About?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
I just googled the show. It's called Saving Hope if
anybody wants.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
To watch it.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Okay, that sounds cool.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Was a fun show.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Do you have any thoughts how to help people dream
better or to be more aware of their dreams? Like, well,
there was a movie that was like that where the
guy wanted to have a dream and he wanted to
go back to sleep so that he could dream because
when he was dreaming, he took himself back in time.
The movie was called Somewhere in Time. But the concept
of it, right like dreaming. If I set my intention
(30:06):
and I've got my quiet room, I spray aroom with
therapy and I'm like, I'm going to dream tonight.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
I mean, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
There are herbs and drugs that supposedly assist you with dreaming,
and some of these are.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
In the book Inception.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
In the movie Inception with Leonardo DiCaprio that they were
using different types of IV drugs to get into altered
states of conscious and dream uh and lucid dream. But
the one that's talked about the most is galantamine, which
is a drug for treating Alzheimer's, but it does have
the effect of causing vivid dreams. I've never taken any
(30:43):
of these drugs. But also mug Wart, which is a
Chinese herb, apparently also can can foster some dreamer.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, that kind of gets me thinking about, like, you know,
hallucinogenics and altered states. And I guess just you know,
because I have people that will take melotonin and they
say they have vivid dreams. Where sometimes we give medications
and people do describe very vivid dreams, and I'm my
thinking is just neurotransmitters, Like your brain is calming, We're not.
(31:12):
We're not in fight or flight because some people are
very anxious and calm. The fight or flight does that
relax the brain to go okay, let me process process
things well.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Low dose nultricks On does cause some.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Dreaming, which and that people are taking that easy for
some sort of autommune disease. But melatonin, you know, in
different dosages sometimes does cause uh, you know, dreaming, but
the usual dose is like three or four milligrams. I
have to confess at the moment, I'm taking sixty milligrams
on melotone the night. So I'm taking high dose altona
(31:47):
and it's having very little impact on my sleep.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
And the reason for.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Taking high dose and altona is not anything to do
with sleep. It's it's the most one of the most
powerful antioxidants she can take. It has very power howerful
anti cancer properties, prevents Alzheimer's and macular degeneration.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
So I'm taking it for that reason.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
And people have taken up to one hundred and eighty
milligrams a night, crazy amount of all tnate. But the
people the research on it to show that there's like
no side effects and uh and it's not addictive. You
can go off it and go back to what we
were doing before. Apparently your pineal gland is flexible in
that that regards.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Oh yeah, that pineal gland.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
That's something that I've heard a little bit about. But
the pineal gland, I guess somehow gets dampened down with
some of the frequencies, radio frequencies or whatever you want
to keep pineal gland sharp.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Sensitive telectronic fields, also sensitive. Defluoridation of waters mostly causes
calcification or pineal land. And there was a recent study
on COVID vaccines showing that the CODE vaccines were damaging
many endercann organs, including the pineal gland.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, that's that's a whole lot. We've got to talk
about that sometimes too. Let's take a break real quick.
I want to give you guys the information. I don't know,
well if you can put anything up that I sent
to you, but grace shaah. The testimony, it's they finally
brought the jury to tears. So I'm telling you, I'm
watching it like you watch a close caption football game.
It's that intense that her last name is spelled s
(33:16):
h A r A out of Wisconsin, and I encourage
everybody you can actually watch the prior days of court testimony,
but today, of course is the most profound. And you know,
again it's it's personal. It's personal because this is how
Wellness and Sensor actually came to be here for you
guys on the airways because having survived some of those
(33:38):
tragic hospital protocols. You know, I wrote the book, we
got the podcast going, and we're here.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
We're a light.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
We're a resource of what people typically don't find on
mainstream media, and we're proud of that because we want
to continue to share things that we find and it
can be helpful and useful in life changing. So make
sure you guys take a minute look up Grace share
Scar out of Wisconsin. And that case, it's literally probably
(34:08):
moments to hours, hopefully not days, but moments to hours
of the jury deciding the fate of really what our
future is to make decisions in healthcare. And she was
nineteen years old, autistic developmentally delayed, and her parents did
everything they could to try to be involved in her care,
(34:28):
and the people at the hospital made a decision. They
made her a DNR without the parents' consent, even though
she was nineteen. They provided medications across her journey in
the hospital that took her down a road where we
believe that she was compromised. So I just wanted to
pass that on. So and again we've got doctor Larry
(34:50):
back here with us. We are talking about dreams, what
dreams mean, and how to use them to maybe be
instrumental in moving forward. We also talking about dreams that
perhaps when someone is in a coma or in a
near death experience, what are some of the things they
see in here? And we've had some really good questions,
(35:10):
so I appreciate you guys sending in questions and thanks again.
I know some prayers are out there for Grace Shara,
so thanks so much for that. But yeah, I don't know,
doctor Larry, you and I have kind of been down
those roads, often against the mainstream media. What other fascinating
things you know have you seen in your career with
the brain the mind dreaming?
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Perhaps one of the most interesting phenomena is the shared
death experience, which is probably the most rare all the
things I've mentioned. Tell us that is occurs in two
different ways. The classic way is someone is having a
bedside vigil or someone a person who's dying, and that
person is relatively intuitive, and they notice as the person
(35:58):
starts to die and leave their body, they can see
the soul leave as a shimmering entity and goes up
toward the tunnel of light and which which often the
room starts to change its dimensions and its characteristics. There's
years and might be angelic music or anything. And then
the person who is holding the bedside vigil actually has
(36:21):
an out of body experiences and goes up into the
tunnel with the person who's dying and falls in the
whole way to the threshold and the other person goes
on and dies and they're sent back. So that's far
out and that does occur, And a guy named William
Peters wrote a book about that, And actually the first
book written about was by Ray Moody, who the physician's
(36:45):
psychiatrist who coined the term near death experience back in
the seventies. But his more recent book than like twenty ten,
I think it was with Glimpses of Eternity, which is
about their death experience. When I went to include that
in my ted talk these and sponsors who were screening
on my slides said, well, you can't mention Ray Moody.
He's a quack and he's like, he's the death experiences.
(37:08):
I was like, okay, so, but fortunately I had talked
to Ray about this and Ray said, oh, yeah, he goes.
Just just use William Peter's research in his book. And
William Peters published a paper on near death experience and
then he uh, he published a book on it too.
It's something about crossing over. I can't remember what it was,
but it's it's hed a whole project on collecting information
(37:31):
on shared death experiences and it was.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
The stories are quite.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
A shaking yeah, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
It's amazing some of the things. And there's just you know,
often people wouldn't get to hear about these things because forever,
as far as they go, it's just not stuff that's
out there, and you know, and there's so many books,
so it's great to get different stories like this out.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
And the other version of sharedo experience is a remote
shared experience, which I had when my aunt died. And
my aunt Betty was you know, my mother's sister, and
she had chronic emphasim. I was always on an O
two tank. But you know, she wasn't near death that
I was aware of. But one night she appeared in
(38:15):
a dream to me in the prime of life and said,
little Betsy's going home. That's what she said to me,
and waved at me and then went off, and she
was I had seen some photographs of her when she
was younger, and it looked like that, but obviously I
didn't know her when she was younger. And then the
next morning I asked, my mother, how's your sister going, Oh, she.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Died last night.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
And so that's the other form of shared of the
experience when someone comes to you as as they die,
and that that's not uncommon occurrence. Sometimes it's in a
dream like I had, or other times people have even
had it as a visitation vision, like they'll see someone
standing at the foot of their bed and I'll be like, oh,
(38:57):
what are you doing here?
Speaker 5 (38:58):
You know is coming to say goodbye.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I've heard that. In fact, I don't know, maybe I've
even experienced it.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
But when I see sometimes people that have passed in
a dream, I'll see them as if they were much younger,
a teen or a twenty year old. And it's kind
of weird because like, I don't even think I knew
them when they were that age.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
But oh my gosh, you know, and I've heard people so.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Technical they call it a visitation dream when that happens, Okay,
I've been visited.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
That's exactly not a dream. That's pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
And and what do you do with that, like when
you're have you ever talked to people or even yourself?
You know you're in the moment, I guess just write
it down when you wake up so that you don't
forget to.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Yeah, and I write everything down. That's it.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
I usually recommend people keep uh their dream direct by
their bedside, and when you wake up remembering you had
a dream, it's a good idea to lay there for
a second and just rehearse it, get all the pieces
of the dream before you get up to write it down.
Sometimes just getting up for your notebook is enough to
lose parts of the dream. Sorry, you get up and
write it down, and then if you sleep by yourself,
(40:03):
you can record it into a cell phone, which is
nice because then you can download it on your computer
and then that's searchable. You can weeks or days they
you can go back and search it. I have a
dream on parrots or whatever it was, you know, and
then you can find it. But otherwise, if you're sleeping
with someone else, I recommend getting a red flashlight or
(40:23):
red pen so you can click that and turn it
on without any white light which would disrupt your pennial function,
and then just write with a red light. And there's
a pen called the glove Open you can get from Amazon,
which a pack of three pins with a led in
the built into the pen.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
You just turn it on. It costs twenty bucks. Just
make sure you get the red one.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
And I think there's different colors of them, the glov
O glov Io.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Wow, that's a good idea, I think.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, writing things down and as soon as you wake up,
you know, thinking about your thoughts, like you said, is
really a good way to try to keep that all fresh.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Especially then don't assume you're going to remember it in
the morning. You got to write it down when you.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Have How do I recommend people get it? Analyst, I
know you do some work like that. What do you
do to help you?
Speaker 5 (41:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (41:10):
The Ryan Center has a dream group that meets the
third Monday of each month seven to nine pm Eastern
Standard time, and anybody can join that. If you're a
Ryan Center, remember, which costs like sixty five dollars a year,
you get to come to all the monthly groups for free.
If you just want to come to one month's worth
of groups, it's like a ten dollars charge. And that way,
(41:34):
we usually have four or five people share a dream
and that to our period and we all use the
International Associates for the Study of Dream protocol which is
called the Monty Almond Protocol, where you listen to the
dream twice and then you ask clarifying questions about details
of the dream, not about what it means, but just
tell me more about that what colored shirt did they
(41:55):
have on or something like that. And then once you
do that, then once you had the questions answered, then
the members of the group offer the reflections and they
do it a specific format, saying, if this were my dream,
I would wonder about that particular symbol. So you're not
telling the dreamer what their symbol means. You're telling them
if I had that dream, this is what I would
think about. So you get a bunch of different opinions
on any particular symbol. But if you're if you're if
(42:18):
you're not in the dream group. One of the quickest
things you can do I use Perplexity AI, which is
an AI program Perplexity dot AI, and I just take
my dream in there and say give me the Union interpretation,
and ten seconds later comes back with a detailed union
evaluation or how about the Freudian perspective, and.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Oh wow, Perplexity AI.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
It's pretty and you know, it gives you the references
is if you want to know more information about it now.
It doesn't give you the personal perspective of the AI
having had that dream and this is what it would
mean to them.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
Obviously, I like it.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
I'll have to check that one out.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the good and the scary
about AI.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
It's like you kind of wonder, like where does that
information didn't come from?
Speaker 5 (43:02):
You know, like I was spending a lot questions where
does it go? Who's collecting all that information? Yes?
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I just picture like this, this
great Oz behind the curtain that we used to see
in the in The Wizard of.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Oz, and like, well, where is that Oz?
Speaker 2 (43:16):
You know, you gotta wonder, you know, I think my
husband watches a lot of ancient aliens sometimes and I
start hearing and seeing things and I'm like, who comes
up with all these questions in these places that they
go to? So, you know, it just kind of lends itself.
There's got to be more exploration about the brain and
dreams that we really haven't dug into. And when you
think about it, you know, if we'd spend a little
more time learning about our thoughts. We think about our
(43:39):
thoughts during the day, right people get anxious, stressed, worry, depressed,
you name it. But there's a whole other side of
us when it's time to sleep that maybe we need
to spend more time as we wake up going what
did I just experience last night?
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Have you ever woken up tired and you were in
this dream where you were in motion?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
The whole time I've had that happened where I feel
like I'm traveling.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
And then I wake up and I'm like, oh, I've
been I've been all over the world. That's what it
feels like anyway.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
One of the most one of the most exhausting dreams
are the classic anxiety dreams where you think you're unprepared
for a test. You know, that's just happens frequently. It's like,
oh my god, or I'm want i wind up back
in the radiology department and and I've been retired for
almost four years and I'm I'm I'm not I'm not
able to interpret this particular study correctly, or or I'm
(44:29):
on call and I don't have my deeper But those
are classic anxiety dreams.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
My biggest anxiety one is being back in healthcare in
some of the hospitals. And I'll tell you what, there's
no stress like being back in that world.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
But I'm with you now.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Now life is so much better because I help people
out of their stress.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
But tell us, how can people reach you? And how
don't you have an upcoming seminar? Or of course coming up?
Speaker 5 (44:52):
Good question, so a couple you know.
Speaker 4 (44:55):
One of the first podcasts we did was on the
Frozen Shoulder book with the Frozen Healing Book, which is
still selling one or two copies a day on Amazon.
And also it references your book as well. Yeah a that, yeah,
and now I haven't I haven't linked the call Me
Harriet book, but I might do that.
Speaker 5 (45:16):
In one of my future blogs.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
On controversial I was going to say it's a bit controversial.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
Yeah, I'm gamed for that. And then my upcoming course,
I got invited to teach a Shift Network course, which
is a great platform for all kinds of mind body,
spirit healing box and that's going to happen in August
and September. I'm the big announcement will be on July
(45:42):
twenty sixth, and it's going to be chakra self healing
protocols for physical illnesses. So that's all seven chakras looking
at how different emotional imbalances might lead to different physical
illnesses physical.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
I think there's a lot to be said for that,
I really do.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
I think, like we talk about the mind body connection
and so physical illnesses when the body's under stressed and
how it manifests. So we'll have to tune into that.
And again, what's the best way for people to reach you?
Speaker 5 (46:12):
Your website at Larrybird dot com. And there's no e
in my last name. Just remember that and or let
magic Happen dot com. It's the same website.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Okay, Well, and I.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Want to thank you so much for your time back again.
I think our folks love hearing from you. We've always
got good questions. I wanted to connect the dots to
Like I said, while we're all talking about Grace Shara
out of Wisconsin, I also wanted to say June twenty eighth,
I'm going to be down in West Palm Beach. We've
got a seminar and it's actually called Thrive twenty twenty
(46:45):
five and it's the Truth Movement. And in the Truth Movement,
we're going to have a bunch of folks down that
We're going to have Ivan Rakelin, Jen Dylan, Lisa McGee,
Mimi Miller, Steven Stern, Brad Geyer, he's in a turn
who's working on some of these COVID cases. We're also
going to have Judy Miklovich and she's a pretty cool
(47:07):
scientist who worked with great challenging Anthony Fauci and shares
a lot and doctor Sherry Tenpenny. I will be down
there with my book. Also, we're going to have a
Lieutenant Colonel Teresa Long Warner Mendenhall, who is fighting the
fight of several of these huge cases that no one
sees out in the mainstream media that we are fighting
(47:30):
to try to fight for the lives of the loved
ones who were lost through really bad protocols. So June
twenty eighth, get your ticket. It's down at the Hyatt.
It's at the Holiday Inn in West Palm Beach. I'll
try to get more on that for next Thursday in
case anybody's in the area of West Palm and they
want to go. It should be really exciting. But so
glad that we got a chance to talk about dreams
(47:51):
doctor Larry. It was good and you guys know how
to reach doctor Larry, and you know, maybe we'll do
another July or August follow up with some stuff because
you've got such great work.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
I'm also on subtect too. If people want to follow
my blogs.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Okay, perfect, well we will look for you there too
as well. So everybody have a great, wonderful week. I'd
love to dedicate this podcast to the share of family,
and our prayers are with you, and hopefully we're going
to hear the verdict we need to hear that will
change the lives of not just the Sharer family, but
the entire country of our right to try, our right
to choose, our ability to have informed consent, and let's
(48:29):
not let them decide if they're going to make us
a d n R or not. You guys, take care,
you will see you soon.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
Bye guys.
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