May 22, 2025 • 45 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hey, good afternoon, and wellme censored. My name's Patty g.
Have endured the last four years, five years now from
the pandemic and all the misinformation. We are going to
be following up again today with part two of our
show talking about hospital homicides. But first let me welcome
everybody and share with you lots of good information on
(00:55):
the show. If you have questions or you need to
follow up, you can always reach out to our office
at nine for three seven seven one one nine six.
You can call, you can text. We've also got our
website at the bottom down there below it's Magnoliabehavioral Wellness
dot org and that's a great way to reach us.
And then we'll be talking a little bit about stuff
(01:17):
that's gone on in the hospitals for the last four
years and still going. And you can actually reach out
and see my book under the website Pattigillianowllness dot com
and we'll be talking about that just a little bit
later in the show. So there it is. If you
guys are looking, if you're driving, don't look. But the
book that I've written is called they Call Me Harriet,
(01:38):
and it is nothing then a no hold barred review
of what it was like being a hospital administrator on
the inside, coming down with COVID, having to find a
way to manage myself out getting really sick. In the book,
you'll actually read the story where I lost my head
of hair, but I guess coming out with my life
was more important. So really a lot of good information.
(02:01):
And the sad part is stuff like this is still
going on in the hospitals today. So that's why today
we've brought on just a wonderful guest and a survivor
who lost her brother in the hospital to hospital homicide.
And I'd like to welcome Ellie back. Ellie has had
such a road and last week she shared her story,
and today I wanted to just have you on, Ellie,
(02:23):
give you a chance to kind of recap, and then
let's talk about thoughts forward as far as what's going on,
how you're healing, what you guys are doing. But welcome back.
It's good to have you.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Hello, Thanks for having me back. It's the hardest time
getting on here to get everything ready, so I've moved
from there to here, and that's why I keep disappearing
from the screen. All right, me back, It's it's exciting.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Tell us a little bit about you know, your brother
went into the hospital. He was sick. He didn't have COVID.
They ended up telling him that he did have COVID,
and they started treating with cod He ended up on
a ventilator, and then the last few days came and
the passing, and just kind of tell us a little
bit about what that was like those last few days,
and kind of I know, we've got some pictures of
(03:12):
his life and his son. Hopefully we'll be able to
get those up, So tell us a little bit about
kind of a quick recap for us.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So there's not a whole lot that makes sense in
the story. And I understand that one hundred percent. I
tell everybody all the time. If I didn't live it,
I wouldn't believe it. It's just ridiculous as to the
things you know that did happen. Andy was thirty eight
years old when all this place. He had three kids,
(03:41):
all teenagers. He's got two grand babies now that he
never got to meet because of you know, the way
that this all ended. After we got onto that ventilate,
like we were in like a cyclone. It was like
one of those tornadoes that you just could not jump
out of the middle of. And honestly, we'll talk up
the wall a little bit later. I kind of have
(04:02):
that in my head, like a tornado, like you know,
just the graffiti that's all throughout the picture. That's just
it was so hard you right there. You just never
know what or who to trust after something like this happens.
And I mean, right there is I guess what my
thoughts in my brain felt like at the time. I
(04:23):
didn't know if I was coming or going. I didn't
know what to do. So yeah, he ended up on
the ventilator with of course, out our consent. And I
had spoken with him before that prior. We spoke about
it last week and he actually told them, you know,
my sister, He asked, who decides when I wake up?
(04:45):
And of course they assured him, you know you're of
sound mind, you you get to decide, and we'll discuss
all that, and he said it'll be my sister, and
I was right.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
There, so you know, when he's on a ventilator, he
can't tell them even though they say it's him.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
And at this point he wasn't even on a ventilator.
He and I it was our whole thing was We're
going to try and just get through it. He's gonna
breathe the best that he can, and we're just gonna
work and I'm gonna gonna agree to it later until
i know for sure that you know, he has to
have it. But everything happened at nighttime when we were
(05:24):
going through that with Andy, and so it was like
at night they get you even more thumbfounded. You're not
sleeping well because you of everything that's going on, and
when you do drift asleep, they call, and if they call,
it's not as permission, it's to tell you what's wrong. Now,
(05:45):
it didn't happen during the daytime, but so they they
ventilated him. When we found that out the next morning,
I called to check on him and he had been ventilated.
That was in the day of the twenty third, and
once we got to the twenty third, that was his
last dose of the room des sphere. Of course, I've
learned that they had to take the complete dose of
(06:06):
it in order for the government to pay the money
to the hospitals. Once he took that complete dose of
the room desk sphere, that's when they started to talking
brain death. He's brain dead. They couldn't give me any
reason as to why other than he was hemorrhaging. They
said that his brain was swelling, and I asked, well, okay,
(06:29):
because of his left got told him. I said, you know,
I understand that he may have COVID, but I also
know that you all can't keep telling me everything is
because of COVID because I know for a fact that
he has got a bone, you know, infection in his leg,
and you are refusing to listen to him. You're refusing
to listen to me. I said, you know, my heart
(06:51):
hurts right now, but it has nothing to do with COVID.
You know, it hurts because you're telling me that my
brother is branded. It hurts because he walked in expecting
to walk it out.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And so.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Luckily I knew a little bit about mental health, just
a little my mental health doctor. I used to work
for her, and she actually taught me a lot. Like
she knew I was curious about the brain and just
like to study it. And so when they knew that,
I knew so much, and they started kind of moving down,
(07:31):
you know, well, now it's his carotid arteries, and you know,
they worked to a part where they've seen I didn't
know a whole lot about. They fished for what I
didn't know, and then they tried to blame that on
top of COVID, like above, vine aortic art or a
carotid artery disease that clearly the record stated at the
very beginning that he didn't have. After the twenty third,
(07:54):
we get to the twenty sixth, that's another special day,
or not special, but a key day. I'm on the
twenty sixth. The doctor told me that he was brain dead,
and I asked, Kelly knew this, and he said that
he did the bedside test. I asked also, I said, well,
I need to see an EG and he goes, well,
(08:15):
we don't do those here. And then I was just
kind of like, Okay, I'm not going to that hospital
for forever. But when they told me that they didn't
do the EEG, that the only testing that they did
do was the bedside test that he had no outside
stimuli that there was no eye movement or they just
(08:38):
kept giving me things and uh, I guess that you
do with that bedside test, it would be what your
ear your uh, and just kind of like stimulating your
fingers and your toes. But Amy, again was a very
very strong sleeper, and he had been on the paralytic
now since the twenty third. They let him come off
of the paralytic for maybe gets to thirty to forty minutes,
(09:02):
but again he'd been on a paralytic on top of
multiple medications that just got stopped for thirty minutes. So
ultimately in the records, that test says this test cannot
be used to deem brain death due to patients on
a paralytic, and the doctors don't not even put that note.
So that's the only test that we have that they
(09:24):
went by. They didn't do an EG, they didn't do
another bed test. They just started the paralytic back after
the test, which I didn't understand if he was brained
why he needed it. But I also knew that all
of a sudden they told us that we could be there,
and I knew that was something that kind of stood
as a red flag to me. And that's kind of
(09:46):
when I was to the point that if my gut
told me something, I just had to go with it.
I mean, I didn't have much to lose to this point,
let's let's just face it, other than of course what
I had at my house. But at this hospital, I
had nothing to lose. They're telling me that he's brain dead.
So I just started thinking of tests that I knew
he didn't need that I knew took some time to
(10:08):
either administer or took some time to read to buy
him a day until I could reach out to doctor Seligson,
get a holt of him, and figure out what the
game plan was. Because this whole entire time, not one
time has anybody reached out to doctor Sellikson. He to me,
would be a doctor that if I were a doctor
(10:30):
trying to figure out what's wrong list I want and
save their life, that I would have reached out to
because he was the first doctor that Andy saw in
this whole mess. And we told them that, but that
Leg's not noted at all and his records until I
tell them that, I'm going to call the police if
they don't do it. All on his leg was a PA.
(10:52):
She told me she would get with the doctor and
see what they said. And I said, well, then if
you don't do it, I'll bring the police and I'll
come run, run the damned doctor. I'll do it. So
she kind of got hateful and said, fine, just give
me a minute, and then she hung up the phone.
But then they never called us back and told us anything.
The next morning, when I spoke with the neurologist, he's
(11:15):
trying to tell me nothing's changed, and I'm trying to
ask him about that doppler, that specific doppler. He's saying, no, no,
nothing's changed, and I'm like, what does the doppler say?
I still had to know if that leg contributed, so
whether he was or wasn't brainded. I wanted to know
what that doppler said. I just needed to know. So
(11:35):
he tells me, well, actually he sits there. I guess
he would be sitting or standing. And he over the phone,
of course, he goes oh, and then he just pauses
and I'm like, oh, you know what what? Oh? And
he's her blood clot right leg. Now that's how he
said it. And then he just stopped and I'm like okay,
and and he goes well, unfortunately you were finding, dude
(11:58):
to COVID that this is happening, and YadA, YadA, YadA, right.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Love plots don't kill people. Blood cloths can actually be addressed.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So that was really yeah, he had no resolution. There
was no resolution. He just would tell me that due
to the other medications that he had already been on,
that it would be more danger than good to give
to him. And I said, okay, well, we've got to
fix what he came to you for or he's never
(12:26):
going to get better at all. You know, it's it's sepsist.
Who doesn't know even without a medical license, they know
what sepstis? Is you have, I mean, who doesn't. I'm
sure there's a small percentage out there that maybe doesn't.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Right, and it's treatable, it's it's soreable.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
But I tell everybody, we come from medical science, that
we've studied. It's been years and years of study people
and doctors and you know, actually people that's given a
permission to have the studies done on We kind of
threw all that up the window and we went with
opinionated words and money and people's family and that's never
(13:11):
ever going to be okay, not ever.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And then what happened. What happened when this all started
to come to pass, You know, they just answers.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
No answers ever. We kept getting something different from everybody
we would talk to. On the twenty eighth, they finally said, look,
you know, I actually have that call recorded. I talked
to Seth because at the day before we had a
fourteen and a half hour video call. I asked him
to set up in his phone. We sang to him,
(13:41):
we listened to his favorite music. Thought we were going
to take it to church the next morning in the phone,
just to kind of do things for us, so that
if they were right that we knew we got to
spend his last time with him. But I fell asleep
a couple hours and the fourteen and a half hours
we were talking to him and the nurse she shut
the phone off and she said that she didn't feel
(14:03):
comfortable rummaging through his phone, which she would and I
had to she turned it off because he left it alone.
But he said she found a liability and she didn't
want to work in front of the camera. She had
supervisor tot us that unfortunately the wrong person saw that
we got to have that video and stopped it that
it was a liability. We got all kinds of reasons,
(14:26):
and I told them, then, well, that's just another thing
that we're going to add to this long list of
things that you are doing. It's just coincidental.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
And during that time, we encouraged families to connect with
their loved ones via the phone via video. Many hospitals, unfortunately,
one of the ones that I worked for, the nurses
always had a challenge to be able to take the
iPads and bring them into the patients and let the
patients spend time with their loved ones on these pads.
(14:56):
You know why, because it was too much work. And
here were you and your brother. He had the phone
and he had the live feed going, and this nurse
took it upon herself to turn it off because she
didn't want to be on camera and it was facing
him and they weren't around the visitors. You know, that
is just horrific. It's absolutely horrific.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
It's blood pressure that whole day because the nurse, the
nice nurse that let us do that, he pointed it
even at the monitor. So all day I wrote, is
what pressure down a brain? Did Sparson? I'm not a
doctor but correct me if I'm wrong. A brain did
person like their blood pressure, it wouldn't respond to a voice,
It wouldn't respond to a certain voice. In my opinion,
(15:38):
I don't think it would anyways, but it did like
it was when you hear me.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I think that made him think, Okay, she's here, everything's good, Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I know Ellie. It's it's incredible. And I don't know
if people actually realize the magnitude of just what Ellie
is sharing. Today, we have thousands upon thousands of victims
like Ellie and her story. Imagine what it's like to
not be able to be in contact with your loved one,
being locked outside the hospital. And then in all of this,
(16:09):
she's being given not only some information, but a lot
of misinformation. And then no one really wanted to engage
in the very important thing that we've been talking about
for years, the patient experience. This picture, that.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Picture is actually his grandson that he didn't get to meet.
If the one I see you, if you hit the
play button, he huggs. They hugged each other. That's part
of what I do here, as she was addictions is
graphic design and stuff, and I just wanted them to
the babies to know what they had.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, babies ripped away. And that's the point, you know,
I think I don't Folks don't understand who are not
in healthcare. Hospitals are paid by performance, or they always
were paid by performance, supposedly, And the more you perform
well you have good data, you have good standards, you
get paid at a better reimbursement rate, or you get
(17:04):
removed and then you get no funding, like no medicare, nothing,
no funding during the pandemic. And why it's so important
with Ellie's story. We took away the patient experience. We
took away the patient experience scores, we took away all
those safety mechanisms of the lowest sepsis rates, heart failure,
all those things. And here's Ellie with the brother who's
(17:26):
having septic issues. There's no patient or family involvement or experience.
The care is not great, the family interaction is horrible.
And now because they're not measured on it, all the
good stuff went out the window. You know why, because
it came down to money, money, money, money, and what
they were paid on was how many COVID patients, how
(17:48):
many ventilators, how many people tested positive for COVID. Oh
and then, by the way, how many COVID deaths and
how many patients were on rem death of your it's
rom decivier, but.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I call it rom deafil good.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, yeah, And so now remember now we're back into
twenty twenty five, and maybe some things are leveling out.
But when it comes to hospitals and reimbursements, the minute
they started to turn the tables and reimbursement and the
government stopped paying the hospitals, they started lowering all those
incentives and hospitals got scared. And then all those little
(18:20):
things went back into place for patient experience, stepsist, heart
failure rates, all those kinds of things. And so folks,
during this time, people were treated very unkind, myself included,
I can tell you. And here was Ellie's brother not
being a patient advocate for him. The staff has an
obligation to be an advocate of the patient, especially when
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he can't speak for himself. And here they were. They
locked the family out, they turned the phones off, and
they didn't give Ellie and her family the truth, nor
did they listen to her family. So what happened after
that the phone got turned off, the nurse said, it's
a liability.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Of course, that was mad. I tell myself, you should
have been nicer, you know, maybe if you were just
nicer to them, but it wasn't. I wasn't nice. I
was at first, but they they were telling me things
I knew to not be true. So I talked to
that guy. My dad talked to him, and he wanted
(19:18):
us to come down. He told us we could have
been down all week, and we were like, well, we
were told we couldn't and that we woulded his medical
right if we did. And he's like, no, you know
you can be here every day if you want to,
but we can the Yeah, well he's the house supervisor said,
it's a recorded phone call.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
He told us you know you can be here. We
can bring you in too at a time. We can't
go in the room unless you wanted to withdraw care,
which we know that's not gonna happen with him, So
you'll stand outside. You can talk to him. We would
have did that all week.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, but did you get there before he passed?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
We went on that day of the twent he ate
that night ended up the cousin megan that they let
come in, who pretended to be me was with us,
because I also had another weird gut feeling that she
was up to something. She had been in earlier, which
we had thought. She had just called, but they allowed
(20:18):
her in when we were told we couldn't be She
went and told her she was me, brought her on up,
talked to her, and then I called while she was there.
I'm assuming that's how they figured it out. And from
that point on, of course it was we need his
past number, and the medical records changed to the sister
Ellie over the phone. We'll go up there, And of
(20:42):
course they're around COVID, but they're all over me. There's
no distance at all with these doctors and nurses, and
I didn't want to hear anything they had to say.
And I told him that I'm not here to see you.
I'm here to see him. Don't hear what you're telling me.
I'm getting a hotel, his doctor and his other doctors coming,
So just get away and let me. Let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
What were they trying to tell you? Were they trying
to tell you?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
They were trying to tell me that there was no
coming back from where he was, even though when he
would hear me there he was blood pressure again. They
tried to show me skins of brains and this and
that's supposedly his. But it was just a little war
(21:28):
like a little spot a little I told him. I said,
that's nothing but alarm. That's a little bit spot in
the big old brain.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Were trying to see had a stroke.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
They were saying he had a stroke, and they were
telling me that he was hemorrhaging and his brain was swelling.
But they administered the TB A remember, four and a half,
almost five hours after the stroke. So for one, that's
they gave it to him too late. And that was
even if he did qualify because he just had surgery
six weeks prior. But I didn't listen, so I just
(22:01):
kind of pushed them out of my way. I told him,
I said, you all been around COVID. Get away from me,
Get out of my face. I don't want to see you.
I want to see him. And I went over to
the window.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I wanted him to just open his eyes. I wanted
him to just to move, do something, showed him. I said, Andy,
they're not listening. Of course, I'm on a phone and
there's a glass. They're trying to change everything you said
to do. I said, you have to do your part.
You have a part to play. You have to do it.
(22:33):
If you don't play your part, I can't play mine.
You have to do it. Show them that you're here,
show them that you hear me, and do it. At first,
and I got really really stern with him, and I said, Andy,
right now, show them that you can hear me, that
you're right there. There's no fun and you just can't
wake up. I said, please just do it. It's struck
(22:56):
over up. And they saw it right there. They saw it.
And I said, okay, good job, buddy, good job. I said,
number to go home and be with our kids. You
just keep fighting and I'll get your doctor here as
soon as I can. You know, laugh. I just knew,
you know, they had saw that blood pressure react to
(23:17):
my voice. He command me. He did what I commanded
him to do. I don't know what they were trying
to command him to do, but he listened to me.
I know he was trying to wake up.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
But patience to respond, and the fact that you saw
that is an indication that he was hearing you. It's
a very strong indication.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
There's not a doubt that he wasn't me.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And then what happened from there?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
So the next morning I woke up and I called
the hospital first thing, you know, the morning ritual of
how bad he is and how they know he's not
gonna make it and if he does, well that's not
what they're gonna want. You could tell. And I even
asked them. I said, why is it that, if things are,
if I'm right, that that's such a bad thing. Why
(24:04):
you would think that you would want me to be right?
And I told him, I don't care if you miss something,
just find it now and fix it. I won't do
a thing, he won't do a thing, Just let him.
Just let him live. And so she then makes all
these promises about hell, he's gonna have his own human doctors.
(24:25):
That they were so glad that I came in last
night due to you know, they had an all moment
she called it. She said that they after we left,
is what she said. After you all left, Doctor Brazier
and I went back in and started bouncing days off
of one another, and we were kind of like we
got it, and she said that we just sat there
(24:47):
and she said, and we cried for you, which I
don't want any tears of theirs. Druss me, yeah, but
she was just trying to He knew I was trying
to get him transferred. He knew I was reading to
doctor Seligson. But immediately after I got off that phone called,
doctor Selixon called me, and that's when he told me,
I'm coming to Andy. Tell him to keep him on
(25:09):
the ventilator. It'll be easier on him. I'm so sorry.
I can't believe this. I'm pretty sure that we can
just remove the phone, and he just gave me a
bunch of stuff in that whole commotion. He's to just
call them and tell them. And looking back, I wish
I would have said, no, you call them and tell them,
but I wasn't thinking. I was just happy in the
moment that I said, Okay, okay, I finally maybe yeah,
(25:34):
So I did. I called immediately back. I spoke with Cash,
the chief nurse or whatever she is, and she seemed like, okay,
you know, not extremely happy like I was, but not
boom and doom like they had been being. Then immediately
after that phone call, she's scheduled. They got that ethics
committee meeting scheduled, and they had it at five thirty four,
(25:57):
that afternoon, they changed his code status to dn R
without our approval, due to I was unwilling to accept
the terms of whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
So let's be clear. They changed the patient's code status
without family approval, your approval.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
They changed DNR right and to them.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, people don't realize the hospital doesn't get to change
code status when there's a living next of kin. Are
you all hearing this? Well, you don't listen close. Yeah,
and this was done to you. I don't know how
many other people it was done to you, But so
what happens.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
So they changed him to a DNR, yeah, and the seventilator.
Fourteen and a half hours later they call us and
they tell us that, well, okay, so that night we
were supposed to have another video call. They were pretty
pushy with with we were gonna have it or not?
Looking back, I know why they were now. They were
wanting to go to unhooked his ventilator, and they didn't
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want us to know that's what they were going to do.
But they toot us he was getting worse. But on
the pre recorded call earlier, that nurse totus that he
had no changes. That's what I'm saying. Each person had
something different to tell us, and there has been a
later in fourteen and a half hours, he tried to wait,
(27:20):
to wait for doctors.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yea, And yeah, that's the part that people I don't
think realize. Decisions have been made in hospitals without family
members consent. It has gone on. It has gone on
well throughout the pandemic. I would suffice to say, if
you're not involved, or you're not right in there with
your family member, it could be still going on now
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right underneath your noses. The choices that are made, and
while they're not necessarily emergency choices, changing someone's status from
a full code to a DNR, it's not legal, it's
not ethical. But it happened to Ali's brother. And then
they took him off the ventilator and he passes, And
then what did y'all What did they tell you? And
(28:06):
what did y'all do?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
They He did not just pass on the ventilator. They
took it in fourteen and a half hours later he passed.
That adds too, I know he wasn't break that's me.
So doctor calls us at six fifty eight of the
next morning. He recorded phone call also that he passed.
(28:31):
The doctor wants to pretend that he was there, but
he wasn't. The medical records clear that up. Rachel called
him the one who turned off eighty's phone. He just
said that he was hoping that it brought some closure
that he passed and they determined his death. Yeah, when
I did find out right after that phone call. And
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it's weird because it's like you've just had this happen,
and then you still like life that's just still happened.
You still have things that you've got to remember, like
all these phone calls from all these people, these doctors
and doctor Zelksen calls immediately after I get off the
phone with them, and he's in a somber, sad voice.
(29:17):
He tells me that he's sorry. He showed over yesterday
that he had a leg issue. Did I tell him
about his leg And I said I did. They weren't listening,
and I said, I need help, money, he needs an autopsy,
and I don't trust them, and he's sitting agreed with me.
And this is why that morning that before they opened
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at U of l of Orthopedics, there was a transfer call,
an emergency transfer call from Owensboro, the David's County, to
Umail Hospital and it was for Andy. They made the
emergency transfer and then twenty minutes later called back and canceled.
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Patient was deceased. And I think that they did that
because they knew doctor Selickson of course was gonna still
check that leg out regardless. But I also learned that
at d and R it doesn't just change your code status.
A d and R also prevents another doctor from touching
or doing anything. So they were basically looking back now hindsight.
(30:22):
I wish heinsight was not hind I wish it was
because I clearly could have prevented it, and ADI clearly
would have been here. And I like to tell people,
you know, yeah, he may have been minus a leg,
that those phone recordings were not because I thought he
was brain dead. It was because it was because I
knew he wasn't and I needed him to see how
close he came to death, because he was going to
be super bad when he woke up minus a leg,
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and that's what was going to happen ultimately, but that
couldn't be helped. It would have staved his life. And
they just they knew doctor Selixton was a good doctor.
They knew that he wasn't going to lie. And you know,
I'm going to add this, David's kind he got a
majority of the money down here around here, the government money.
They build Andy's insurance for the DVT. And when Lak
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starts for that, and then Oswel turns around and they
charged the government for COVID, So it's a double bill.
It's all one facility. Basically, it's a sister foundation and
they had just bought it a month before. And I'm
gonna add this, they added those COVID what do you
what would you call that COVID bend down money? They
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added that just shortly after. It's almost like they knew
that it was coming, that they were going to get
it expanded by these smaller hospitals.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh yeah, yeah, so yeah, that's that's what happened. And
so what what have you done going forward? What what
has happened in terms of, you know, keeping his memory alive,
keeping his voice alive? What do you want other folks
to know out there in terms of, you know, to
be an advocate for themselves and for a loved one.
(32:01):
What have you learned?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I've learned that regardless of your age, there has to
be a plan legally at that everybody should have an
attorney on standby, not stand by, but everybody needs a
family attorney, one that they trust, one that knows the
laws inside and out, one that knows loopholes for when
things like this happen, because in my opinion, and if
I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but in my opinion, a doctor
(32:25):
they should be able to handle ten different kinds of
diseases like COVID at one time and not kill people
a purpose that's not ever gonna be okay. And if
you don't use your voice, and you don't walk to
each other and tell each other what you would want
in that kind of a situation, then this happens again.
(32:47):
There's it's a murder crime scene, that's what it is.
And unfortunately in Kentucky, you know, I was ready to
just shut their doors. I had a golden platter, and
not an attorney would look at it because of the Prepact,
And it's not okay to do that. Where's our protection?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
You know?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
And now Kentucky they decriminalized medical error. Our governor said
that it is because he wants them to feel safe
they come forward for if there's ever a mishap like
the one in Tennessee. But here's what I'm going to say,
bull crap because now they've given them this leeway, they
(33:28):
one of them has come forward with what they did
wrong with COVID.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah. Yeah, they're far and few between. While there are
some people out there, there are definitely doctors and nurses
that are fighting the fight excellently. You won't see them
on the mainstream media. You know, We've tried to have
them here on the shows. We've had doctor Mary Tally
Bowden on the show. We've had Bruce Boris on the show.
Cardiologists down in South Florida. You know, there's doctor Verone
down in Texas. There's Pierre Corey. There's tons of people
(33:55):
out there, and yet and there's doctors here even in
Florida that they've tried to take your leg since is
a way anybody who speaks out against the mainstream medical media,
they're the ones that are shut down. And you're right.
You know, we have for a long time in healthcare
had risk management, risk management and all the things we
do with adverse events. And you know, we do all
(34:18):
these quality analyzes, we do all kinds of root cause analyzes,
and it's always in an effort to you know, not
identify one individual or individuals to shift blame. But the
problem is it never gets out into the public and
it's all hush hush. All the incident reports, countless ones
(34:38):
that are written day after day, year after year. Most
people will never hear about those incidences. Do they rise
to the level of fatality. It's all an internal, very
quietly kept docket of information, if you will. And if
people knew how many medical errors took place before COVID,
let me rest assured. During COVID it was cart blood
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and not that people. I'd hate to think. You know,
there's I know a lot of nurses, a lot of physicians.
They just didn't use critical thinking and they didn't use
good judgment, and they just did as they were guided
to do with the CDC guidelines. You must use this
med if a patient's in this parameter. But here's the
biggest part out of all of this, The biggest medical
(35:23):
fraud has taken place across the United States. Because if
you are going to build for services or care and
you're going to run labs today, and you're going to
run labs tomorrow, and you're going to do a test
and an EEG. You also have to follow up with well,
what was the care delivered? And if you stop delivering
(35:43):
or trying to do anything, then you're not really delivering care.
You can't build certain things, and that is in essence,
fraudulent billing. And that's why all during COVID, all the
tests and the tests and the days people were left
in the hospital, they followed the pro call, but they
never change the level of care to meet the changes
(36:04):
in the patient's labs. So day after day fraudulent billing
and no one ever got called on it. It's the
biggest Konzi scheme out there in terms of what do
you do? Yeah, people don't know because we can't get
on the mainstream media. We can't let the masses know.
And people like you and I were shut down, were quieted.
Nobody wants to hear stories. They always have a reason why,
(36:27):
Oh well, you just don't have enough information. Collectively, all
the people that I wrote about in my book, all
the people that are on all of our different support groups.
You know, we've got the former FEDS dot org group,
We've got the Humanity Betrayal Project, the COVID Humanity Trail Project,
all these different groups and we're getting out there. We're
on X, We've got shows on X. We've got a
(36:50):
wonderful event taking place down in West Palm Beach where
we're going to be talking about a variety of things
that goes well beyond just all the COVID homicide. But
now Odd's coming out with the vaccines, vaccine injuries. It's
a multitude, and see what people don't understand. And Ellie,
you get this. It started with the shutdown. It started
with the scheme, then it started with the fear. Then
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it started with no right to try, no right to
try drugs that could have helped long before your brother
even got ill, and not even cooked. The right to
try never took place. They pushed out the Emergency Use authorization.
They even created a drug that models ivermectin, and yet
(37:34):
that very drug has toxic issues. Why did they put
ivermectin And if it was just a horse pill, right,
you know, for horses. So Merk themselves created paxlovid because
it's got ivermectin in it again, because they wanted to
try to capture people that really started to get onto
(37:54):
the ivermectin deal and thought well, we're just going to
drive it up this way, so many failures, so many lies,
so you know everything here they want I want them
to hear your story. I want them to hear what
are you doing now? How are you keeping him alive? Now?
Speaker 3 (38:08):
And some things. I have his two little great grand babies,
Annie and Ace. They are exactly eleven months apart, well
eleven months of Park. They are they are my son Shaw.
Let me tell you they they make you feel again.
I hate that they miss him, but you know, and
(38:30):
he will look at a picture now, and like the
other one you showed earlier, she'll say, hey.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You put up the pictures so that Ellie can talk
about it.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
You know, Yeah, that's a right there, And well, I know.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
How about I know, how about the picture you created?
Tell us what that picture means? This is beautiful.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
So that is actually on our wall outside of our shop.
Tables's addictions is actually in memory of Andy. That's his
signature down in the corner that I pulled off of
something he had done that represents what he went through.
The little boys. Andy with his hoodie on in his sweatpants,
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he's pulling the curtain back to what is going to
be his life flashing before his eyes. Just a bunch
of chaos and commotion and just craziness. But underneath all
that crazy commotion, there's love and family and I've got
some stuff hidden in there, like my last name's up
there of God. Just different little things that get things
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to our family hidden throughout the wall. But also the red.
The red is that's the blood, the blood that was
shed because of COVID. You see the vein that goes
through it, and you see that vein has got issues
and you see that that vein explodes. You don't see
a lot of green there because green ovid back in
(40:00):
the day, I just didn't want to use a whole
lot of the green color. But you see a little
bit of the green because they did introduce it to
him with the convalescent plasma. Remember he was an a
body negative. But just to me, it's about that little
boy and what's gonna happen. But he's not gonna be
scared because he knows I'm going to take care of it,
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and I can promise you are. Kentucky may be decriminalized,
but there's seventeen leuvel Bright now right now calling him
the Kentucky seventeen. I'm actually gonna put him down the
sleeve of a MUSS shirt later on in memory of
everywhere of them. Every time I find one, I'm gonna
add their name to the shirt, and I'm hoping to
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get their little pile folder that they have on the
website and use that as their pictures. I want to
I want to bring awareness to hospitals and negligence and malpractice.
And I don't want to even call this medical malpractice.
I know that means what murder or whatever, but this
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is murder. Medical malpractice to me is when a doctor
makes an error and they.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Are ver entitled to No, we made mistakes here. He
was blind and it was intentional. Yeah, that is mass murder.
And that's premeditated.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
And that's also, if you want to go a step further,
murder for hire. Premeditated mass murder. You know, I just
I just cannot believe that this was ever allowed to happen,
but it did. And so I have to make sure
that I make something good out of this ad horrible
situation because that's all I know to do. That's how
we were raised.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
That stuff happens.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Life happens, and you lose a lot more than you
win in life, so you have to take the day,
you have to make it and you have to just
make a good happen. And what good could happen from this?
It was hard at first. Now I'm not going to
make something good out of this, But I did a difference.
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I brought up to Dables's addictions out into the community.
I met people who actually came in through our doors
to meet me in order to not like me because
they worked at that hospital. And now we're friends. I
learned a lot of the protocols. I learned a lot
of things. I'm learning more every day, and in as
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long as I could get one person a day at least,
I would like to reach more to listen to Ady's story,
just because I would like to tell his story, not theirs,
it doesn't count gold, but his story and maybe eventually
help them to save someone in their family. And that's
(42:52):
making good out of this bad, horrible situation. Meeting people
like you, And thank you by the way for being
brave and in your weakest you break your bravest. People
like you or who we do need to take care
of us, middlely, physically, emotionally, even so, thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I head you appreciate it well. You are welcome, Ellie,
and it's been a blessing to have you here on
the show today. I just want to close out with
folks to understand that, you know, Ellie is fighting the fight,
not just for herself and her brother, but for all
of you. She's out there in Kentucky. What's a good
way for people to reach out to you.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
So I can be You can find me on Facebook
under Shameless Addictions or Ellie Hayes. You can reach me
through email Shameless Addictions one O six at gmail dot com.
I'm always here. I do listen, I hear, I hear
you if i'd me, because we need as many of
you in Kentucky as we can find any I want
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my shirt field not because I'm glad that it happened.
Of course it's happened. We can't change it. Let's make
something good out of it.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
We want to find people out there and listen for
folks across the country. If you want to reach out,
if you have more questions, I can certainly put you
in touch with all of these wonderful groups in Ellie.
Just reach out to nine oh four three seven seven
one one nine six. You can text and certainly if
you reach out to Patty, Patti Gilliano, g I L
L I A n O Wellness All One word dot com.
(44:23):
That's a great way for you to be able to
connect and reach out. My book's on there. It's quite
the tell all as far as the hospital homicides, what
it was like to be on the inside. I worked
in two very large organizations across the United States, and
I can tell you it was not a pretty site.
People were misinformed, there was deception, just like what Ellie said,
and there was not enough of us that were aware
(44:45):
to be able to help people because so many drank
the kool aid and just did what they were told
and didn't think critically. So next week I've got a
guest on who was actually sex trafficked and when she
was in her teenage years. Ellie again, and it's been
such a pleasure to have you on join us next
week story and you guys all be well. Thanks so
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much for listening in. We'll see you again next week
three pm Eastern Wellness and censored and have a wonderful
Memorial Day weekend. Take care everybody,
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hey, good afternoon, and wellme censored. My name's Patty g.
Have endured the last four years, five years now from
the pandemic and all the misinformation. We are going to
be following up again today with part two of our
show talking about hospital homicides. But first let me welcome
everybody and share with you lots of good information on
(00:55):
the show. If you have questions or you need to
follow up, you can always reach out to our office
at nine for three seven seven one one nine six.
You can call, you can text. We've also got our
website at the bottom down there below it's Magnoliabehavioral Wellness
dot org and that's a great way to reach us.
And then we'll be talking a little bit about stuff
(01:17):
that's gone on in the hospitals for the last four
years and still going. And you can actually reach out
and see my book under the website Pattigillianowllness dot com
and we'll be talking about that just a little bit
later in the show. So there it is. If you
guys are looking, if you're driving, don't look. But the
book that I've written is called they Call Me Harriet,
(01:38):
and it is nothing then a no hold barred review
of what it was like being a hospital administrator on
the inside, coming down with COVID, having to find a
way to manage myself out getting really sick. In the book,
you'll actually read the story where I lost my head
of hair, but I guess coming out with my life
was more important. So really a lot of good information.
(02:01):
And the sad part is stuff like this is still
going on in the hospitals today. So that's why today
we've brought on just a wonderful guest and a survivor
who lost her brother in the hospital to hospital homicide.
And I'd like to welcome Ellie back. Ellie has had
such a road and last week she shared her story,
and today I wanted to just have you on, Ellie,
(02:23):
give you a chance to kind of recap, and then
let's talk about thoughts forward as far as what's going on,
how you're healing, what you guys are doing. But welcome back.
It's good to have you.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Hello, Thanks for having me back. It's the hardest time
getting on here to get everything ready, so I've moved
from there to here, and that's why I keep disappearing
from the screen. All right, me back, It's it's exciting.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Tell us a little bit about you know, your brother
went into the hospital. He was sick. He didn't have COVID.
They ended up telling him that he did have COVID,
and they started treating with cod He ended up on
a ventilator, and then the last few days came and
the passing, and just kind of tell us a little
bit about what that was like those last few days,
and kind of I know, we've got some pictures of
(03:12):
his life and his son. Hopefully we'll be able to
get those up, So tell us a little bit about
kind of a quick recap for us.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So there's not a whole lot that makes sense in
the story. And I understand that one hundred percent. I
tell everybody all the time. If I didn't live it,
I wouldn't believe it. It's just ridiculous as to the
things you know that did happen. Andy was thirty eight
years old when all this place. He had three kids,
(03:41):
all teenagers. He's got two grand babies now that he
never got to meet because of you know, the way
that this all ended. After we got onto that ventilate,
like we were in like a cyclone. It was like
one of those tornadoes that you just could not jump
out of the middle of. And honestly, we'll talk up
the wall a little bit later. I kind of have
(04:02):
that in my head, like a tornado, like you know,
just the graffiti that's all throughout the picture. That's just
it was so hard you right there. You just never
know what or who to trust after something like this happens.
And I mean, right there is I guess what my
thoughts in my brain felt like at the time. I
(04:23):
didn't know if I was coming or going. I didn't
know what to do. So yeah, he ended up on
the ventilator with of course, out our consent. And I
had spoken with him before that prior. We spoke about
it last week and he actually told them, you know,
my sister, He asked, who decides when I wake up?
(04:45):
And of course they assured him, you know you're of
sound mind, you you get to decide, and we'll discuss
all that, and he said it'll be my sister, and
I was right.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
There, so you know, when he's on a ventilator, he
can't tell them even though they say it's him.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
And at this point he wasn't even on a ventilator.
He and I it was our whole thing was We're
going to try and just get through it. He's gonna
breathe the best that he can, and we're just gonna
work and I'm gonna gonna agree to it later until
i know for sure that you know, he has to
have it. But everything happened at nighttime when we were
(05:24):
going through that with Andy, and so it was like
at night they get you even more thumbfounded. You're not
sleeping well because you of everything that's going on, and
when you do drift asleep, they call, and if they call,
it's not as permission, it's to tell you what's wrong. Now,
(05:45):
it didn't happen during the daytime, but so they they
ventilated him. When we found that out the next morning,
I called to check on him and he had been ventilated.
That was in the day of the twenty third, and
once we got to the twenty third, that was his
last dose of the room des sphere. Of course, I've
learned that they had to take the complete dose of
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it in order for the government to pay the money
to the hospitals. Once he took that complete dose of
the room desk sphere, that's when they started to talking
brain death. He's brain dead. They couldn't give me any
reason as to why other than he was hemorrhaging. They
said that his brain was swelling, and I asked, well, okay,
(06:29):
because of his left got told him. I said, you know,
I understand that he may have COVID, but I also
know that you all can't keep telling me everything is
because of COVID because I know for a fact that
he has got a bone, you know, infection in his leg,
and you are refusing to listen to him. You're refusing
to listen to me. I said, you know, my heart
(06:51):
hurts right now, but it has nothing to do with COVID.
You know, it hurts because you're telling me that my
brother is branded. It hurts because he walked in expecting
to walk it out.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And so.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Luckily I knew a little bit about mental health, just
a little my mental health doctor. I used to work
for her, and she actually taught me a lot. Like
she knew I was curious about the brain and just
like to study it. And so when they knew that,
I knew so much, and they started kind of moving down,
(07:31):
you know, well, now it's his carotid arteries, and you know,
they worked to a part where they've seen I didn't
know a whole lot about. They fished for what I
didn't know, and then they tried to blame that on
top of COVID, like above, vine aortic art or a
carotid artery disease that clearly the record stated at the
very beginning that he didn't have. After the twenty third,
(07:54):
we get to the twenty sixth, that's another special day,
or not special, but a key day. I'm on the
twenty sixth. The doctor told me that he was brain dead,
and I asked, Kelly knew this, and he said that
he did the bedside test. I asked also, I said, well,
I need to see an EG and he goes, well,
(08:15):
we don't do those here. And then I was just
kind of like, Okay, I'm not going to that hospital
for forever. But when they told me that they didn't
do the EEG, that the only testing that they did
do was the bedside test that he had no outside
stimuli that there was no eye movement or they just
(08:38):
kept giving me things and uh, I guess that you
do with that bedside test, it would be what your
ear your uh, and just kind of like stimulating your
fingers and your toes. But Amy, again was a very
very strong sleeper, and he had been on the paralytic
now since the twenty third. They let him come off
of the paralytic for maybe gets to thirty to forty minutes,
(09:02):
but again he'd been on a paralytic on top of
multiple medications that just got stopped for thirty minutes. So
ultimately in the records, that test says this test cannot
be used to deem brain death due to patients on
a paralytic, and the doctors don't not even put that note.
So that's the only test that we have that they
(09:24):
went by. They didn't do an EG, they didn't do
another bed test. They just started the paralytic back after
the test, which I didn't understand if he was brained
why he needed it. But I also knew that all
of a sudden they told us that we could be there,
and I knew that was something that kind of stood
as a red flag to me. And that's kind of
(09:46):
when I was to the point that if my gut
told me something, I just had to go with it.
I mean, I didn't have much to lose to this point,
let's let's just face it, other than of course what
I had at my house. But at this hospital, I
had nothing to lose. They're telling me that he's brain dead.
So I just started thinking of tests that I knew
he didn't need that I knew took some time to
(10:08):
either administer or took some time to read to buy
him a day until I could reach out to doctor Seligson,
get a holt of him, and figure out what the
game plan was. Because this whole entire time, not one
time has anybody reached out to doctor Sellikson. He to me,
would be a doctor that if I were a doctor
(10:30):
trying to figure out what's wrong list I want and
save their life, that I would have reached out to
because he was the first doctor that Andy saw in
this whole mess. And we told them that, but that
Leg's not noted at all and his records until I
tell them that, I'm going to call the police if
they don't do it. All on his leg was a PA.
(10:52):
She told me she would get with the doctor and
see what they said. And I said, well, then if
you don't do it, I'll bring the police and I'll
come run, run the damned doctor. I'll do it. So
she kind of got hateful and said, fine, just give
me a minute, and then she hung up the phone.
But then they never called us back and told us anything.
The next morning, when I spoke with the neurologist, he's
(11:15):
trying to tell me nothing's changed, and I'm trying to
ask him about that doppler, that specific doppler. He's saying, no, no,
nothing's changed, and I'm like, what does the doppler say?
I still had to know if that leg contributed, so
whether he was or wasn't brainded. I wanted to know
what that doppler said. I just needed to know. So
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he tells me, well, actually he sits there. I guess
he would be sitting or standing. And he over the phone,
of course, he goes oh, and then he just pauses
and I'm like, oh, you know what what? Oh? And
he's her blood clot right leg. Now that's how he
said it. And then he just stopped and I'm like okay,
and and he goes well, unfortunately you were finding, dude
(11:58):
to COVID that this is happening, and YadA, YadA, YadA, right.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Love plots don't kill people. Blood cloths can actually be addressed.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So that was really yeah, he had no resolution. There
was no resolution. He just would tell me that due
to the other medications that he had already been on,
that it would be more danger than good to give
to him. And I said, okay, well, we've got to
fix what he came to you for or he's never
(12:26):
going to get better at all. You know, it's it's sepsist.
Who doesn't know even without a medical license, they know
what sepstis? Is you have, I mean, who doesn't. I'm
sure there's a small percentage out there that maybe doesn't.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Right, and it's treatable, it's it's soreable.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
But I tell everybody, we come from medical science, that
we've studied. It's been years and years of study people
and doctors and you know, actually people that's given a
permission to have the studies done on We kind of
threw all that up the window and we went with
opinionated words and money and people's family and that's never
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ever going to be okay, not ever.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
And then what happened. What happened when this all started
to come to pass, You know, they just answers.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
No answers ever. We kept getting something different from everybody
we would talk to. On the twenty eighth, they finally said, look,
you know, I actually have that call recorded. I talked
to Seth because at the day before we had a
fourteen and a half hour video call. I asked him
to set up in his phone. We sang to him,
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we listened to his favorite music. Thought we were going
to take it to church the next morning in the phone,
just to kind of do things for us, so that
if they were right that we knew we got to
spend his last time with him. But I fell asleep
a couple hours and the fourteen and a half hours
we were talking to him and the nurse she shut
the phone off and she said that she didn't feel
(14:03):
comfortable rummaging through his phone, which she would and I
had to she turned it off because he left it alone.
But he said she found a liability and she didn't
want to work in front of the camera. She had
supervisor tot us that unfortunately the wrong person saw that
we got to have that video and stopped it that
it was a liability. We got all kinds of reasons,
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and I told them, then, well, that's just another thing
that we're going to add to this long list of
things that you are doing. It's just coincidental.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
And during that time, we encouraged families to connect with
their loved ones via the phone via video. Many hospitals, unfortunately,
one of the ones that I worked for, the nurses
always had a challenge to be able to take the
iPads and bring them into the patients and let the
patients spend time with their loved ones on these pads.
(14:56):
You know why, because it was too much work. And
here were you and your brother. He had the phone
and he had the live feed going, and this nurse
took it upon herself to turn it off because she
didn't want to be on camera and it was facing
him and they weren't around the visitors. You know, that
is just horrific. It's absolutely horrific.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
It's blood pressure that whole day because the nurse, the
nice nurse that let us do that, he pointed it
even at the monitor. So all day I wrote, is
what pressure down a brain? Did Sparson? I'm not a
doctor but correct me if I'm wrong. A brain did
person like their blood pressure, it wouldn't respond to a voice,
It wouldn't respond to a certain voice. In my opinion,
(15:38):
I don't think it would anyways, but it did like
it was when you hear me.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I think that made him think, Okay, she's here, everything's good, Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I know Ellie. It's it's incredible. And I don't know
if people actually realize the magnitude of just what Ellie
is sharing. Today, we have thousands upon thousands of victims
like Ellie and her story. Imagine what it's like to
not be able to be in contact with your loved one,
being locked outside the hospital. And then in all of this,
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she's being given not only some information, but a lot
of misinformation. And then no one really wanted to engage
in the very important thing that we've been talking about
for years, the patient experience. This picture, that.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Picture is actually his grandson that he didn't get to meet.
If the one I see you, if you hit the
play button, he huggs. They hugged each other. That's part
of what I do here, as she was addictions is
graphic design and stuff, and I just wanted them to
the babies to know what they had.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, babies ripped away. And that's the point, you know,
I think I don't Folks don't understand who are not
in healthcare. Hospitals are paid by performance, or they always
were paid by performance, supposedly, And the more you perform
well you have good data, you have good standards, you
get paid at a better reimbursement rate, or you get
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removed and then you get no funding, like no medicare, nothing,
no funding during the pandemic. And why it's so important
with Ellie's story. We took away the patient experience. We
took away the patient experience scores, we took away all
those safety mechanisms of the lowest sepsis rates, heart failure,
all those things. And here's Ellie with the brother who's
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having septic issues. There's no patient or family involvement or experience.
The care is not great, the family interaction is horrible.
And now because they're not measured on it, all the
good stuff went out the window. You know why, because
it came down to money, money, money, money, and what
they were paid on was how many COVID patients, how
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many ventilators, how many people tested positive for COVID. Oh
and then, by the way, how many COVID deaths and
how many patients were on rem death of your it's
rom decivier, but.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I call it rom deafil good.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, yeah, And so now remember now we're back into
twenty twenty five, and maybe some things are leveling out.
But when it comes to hospitals and reimbursements, the minute
they started to turn the tables and reimbursement and the
government stopped paying the hospitals, they started lowering all those
incentives and hospitals got scared. And then all those little
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things went back into place for patient experience, stepsist, heart
failure rates, all those kinds of things. And so folks,
during this time, people were treated very unkind, myself included,
I can tell you. And here was Ellie's brother not
being a patient advocate for him. The staff has an
obligation to be an advocate of the patient, especially when
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he can't speak for himself. And here they were. They
locked the family out, they turned the phones off, and
they didn't give Ellie and her family the truth, nor
did they listen to her family. So what happened after
that the phone got turned off, the nurse said, it's
a liability.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Of course, that was mad. I tell myself, you should
have been nicer, you know, maybe if you were just
nicer to them, but it wasn't. I wasn't nice. I
was at first, but they they were telling me things
I knew to not be true. So I talked to
that guy. My dad talked to him, and he wanted
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us to come down. He told us we could have
been down all week, and we were like, well, we
were told we couldn't and that we woulded his medical
right if we did. And he's like, no, you know
you can be here every day if you want to,
but we can the Yeah, well he's the house supervisor said,
it's a recorded phone call.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
He told us you know you can be here. We
can bring you in too at a time. We can't
go in the room unless you wanted to withdraw care,
which we know that's not gonna happen with him, So
you'll stand outside. You can talk to him. We would
have did that all week.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, but did you get there before he passed?
Speaker 3 (19:58):
We went on that day of the twent he ate
that night ended up the cousin megan that they let
come in, who pretended to be me was with us,
because I also had another weird gut feeling that she
was up to something. She had been in earlier, which
we had thought. She had just called, but they allowed
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her in when we were told we couldn't be She
went and told her she was me, brought her on up,
talked to her, and then I called while she was there.
I'm assuming that's how they figured it out. And from
that point on, of course it was we need his
past number, and the medical records changed to the sister
Ellie over the phone. We'll go up there, And of
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course they're around COVID, but they're all over me. There's
no distance at all with these doctors and nurses, and
I didn't want to hear anything they had to say.
And I told him that I'm not here to see you.
I'm here to see him. Don't hear what you're telling me.
I'm getting a hotel, his doctor and his other doctors coming,
So just get away and let me. Let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
What were they trying to tell you? Were they trying
to tell you?
Speaker 3 (21:08):
They were trying to tell me that there was no
coming back from where he was, even though when he
would hear me there he was blood pressure again. They
tried to show me skins of brains and this and
that's supposedly his. But it was just a little war
(21:28):
like a little spot a little I told him. I said,
that's nothing but alarm. That's a little bit spot in
the big old brain.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Were trying to see had a stroke.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
They were saying he had a stroke, and they were
telling me that he was hemorrhaging and his brain was swelling.
But they administered the TB A remember, four and a half,
almost five hours after the stroke. So for one, that's
they gave it to him too late. And that was
even if he did qualify because he just had surgery
six weeks prior. But I didn't listen, so I just
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kind of pushed them out of my way. I told him,
I said, you all been around COVID. Get away from me,
Get out of my face. I don't want to see you.
I want to see him. And I went over to
the window.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I wanted him to just open his eyes. I wanted
him to just to move, do something, showed him. I said, Andy,
they're not listening. Of course, I'm on a phone and
there's a glass. They're trying to change everything you said
to do. I said, you have to do your part.
You have a part to play. You have to do it.
(22:33):
If you don't play your part, I can't play mine.
You have to do it. Show them that you're here,
show them that you hear me, and do it. At first,
and I got really really stern with him, and I said, Andy,
right now, show them that you can hear me, that
you're right there. There's no fun and you just can't
wake up. I said, please just do it. It's struck
(22:56):
over up. And they saw it right there. They saw it.
And I said, okay, good job, buddy, good job. I said,
number to go home and be with our kids. You
just keep fighting and I'll get your doctor here as
soon as I can. You know, laugh. I just knew,
you know, they had saw that blood pressure react to
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my voice. He command me. He did what I commanded
him to do. I don't know what they were trying
to command him to do, but he listened to me.
I know he was trying to wake up.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
But patience to respond, and the fact that you saw
that is an indication that he was hearing you. It's
a very strong indication.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
There's not a doubt that he wasn't me.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And then what happened from there?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
So the next morning I woke up and I called
the hospital first thing, you know, the morning ritual of
how bad he is and how they know he's not
gonna make it and if he does, well that's not
what they're gonna want. You could tell. And I even
asked them. I said, why is it that, if things are,
if I'm right, that that's such a bad thing. Why
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you would think that you would want me to be right?
And I told him, I don't care if you miss something,
just find it now and fix it. I won't do
a thing, he won't do a thing, Just let him.
Just let him live. And so she then makes all
these promises about hell, he's gonna have his own human doctors.
(24:25):
That they were so glad that I came in last
night due to you know, they had an all moment
she called it. She said that they after we left,
is what she said. After you all left, Doctor Brazier
and I went back in and started bouncing days off
of one another, and we were kind of like we
got it, and she said that we just sat there
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and she said, and we cried for you, which I
don't want any tears of theirs. Druss me, yeah, but
she was just trying to He knew I was trying
to get him transferred. He knew I was reading to
doctor Seligson. But immediately after I got off that phone called,
doctor Selixon called me, and that's when he told me,
I'm coming to Andy. Tell him to keep him on
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the ventilator. It'll be easier on him. I'm so sorry.
I can't believe this. I'm pretty sure that we can
just remove the phone, and he just gave me a
bunch of stuff in that whole commotion. He's to just
call them and tell them. And looking back, I wish
I would have said, no, you call them and tell them,
but I wasn't thinking. I was just happy in the
moment that I said, Okay, okay, I finally maybe yeah,
(25:34):
So I did. I called immediately back. I spoke with Cash,
the chief nurse or whatever she is, and she seemed like, okay,
you know, not extremely happy like I was, but not
boom and doom like they had been being. Then immediately
after that phone call, she's scheduled. They got that ethics
committee meeting scheduled, and they had it at five thirty four,
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that afternoon, they changed his code status to dn R
without our approval, due to I was unwilling to accept
the terms of whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
So let's be clear. They changed the patient's code status
without family approval, your approval.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
They changed DNR right and to them.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, people don't realize the hospital doesn't get to change
code status when there's a living next of kin. Are
you all hearing this? Well, you don't listen close. Yeah,
and this was done to you. I don't know how
many other people it was done to you, But so
what happens.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
So they changed him to a DNR, yeah, and the seventilator.
Fourteen and a half hours later they call us and
they tell us that, well, okay, so that night we
were supposed to have another video call. They were pretty
pushy with with we were gonna have it or not?
Looking back, I know why they were now. They were
wanting to go to unhooked his ventilator, and they didn't
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want us to know that's what they were going to do.
But they toot us he was getting worse. But on
the pre recorded call earlier, that nurse totus that he
had no changes. That's what I'm saying. Each person had
something different to tell us, and there has been a
later in fourteen and a half hours, he tried to wait,
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to wait for doctors.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yea, And yeah, that's the part that people I don't
think realize. Decisions have been made in hospitals without family
members consent. It has gone on. It has gone on
well throughout the pandemic. I would suffice to say, if
you're not involved, or you're not right in there with
your family member, it could be still going on now
(27:44):
right underneath your noses. The choices that are made, and
while they're not necessarily emergency choices, changing someone's status from
a full code to a DNR, it's not legal, it's
not ethical. But it happened to Ali's brother. And then
they took him off the ventilator and he passes, And
then what did y'all What did they tell you? And
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what did y'all do?
Speaker 3 (28:09):
They He did not just pass on the ventilator. They
took it in fourteen and a half hours later he passed.
That adds too, I know he wasn't break that's me.
So doctor calls us at six fifty eight of the
next morning. He recorded phone call also that he passed.
(28:31):
The doctor wants to pretend that he was there, but
he wasn't. The medical records clear that up. Rachel called
him the one who turned off eighty's phone. He just
said that he was hoping that it brought some closure
that he passed and they determined his death. Yeah, when
I did find out right after that phone call. And
(28:54):
it's weird because it's like you've just had this happen,
and then you still like life that's just still happened.
You still have things that you've got to remember, like
all these phone calls from all these people, these doctors
and doctor Zelksen calls immediately after I get off the
phone with them, and he's in a somber, sad voice.
(29:17):
He tells me that he's sorry. He showed over yesterday
that he had a leg issue. Did I tell him
about his leg And I said I did. They weren't listening,
and I said, I need help, money, he needs an autopsy,
and I don't trust them, and he's sitting agreed with me.
And this is why that morning that before they opened
(29:38):
at U of l of Orthopedics, there was a transfer call,
an emergency transfer call from Owensboro, the David's County, to
Umail Hospital and it was for Andy. They made the
emergency transfer and then twenty minutes later called back and canceled.
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Patient was deceased. And I think that they did that
because they knew doctor Selickson of course was gonna still
check that leg out regardless. But I also learned that
at d and R it doesn't just change your code status.
A d and R also prevents another doctor from touching
or doing anything. So they were basically looking back now hindsight.
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I wish heinsight was not hind I wish it was
because I clearly could have prevented it, and ADI clearly
would have been here. And I like to tell people,
you know, yeah, he may have been minus a leg,
that those phone recordings were not because I thought he
was brain dead. It was because it was because I
knew he wasn't and I needed him to see how
close he came to death, because he was going to
be super bad when he woke up minus a leg,
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and that's what was going to happen ultimately, but that
couldn't be helped. It would have staved his life. And
they just they knew doctor Selixton was a good doctor.
They knew that he wasn't going to lie. And you know,
I'm going to add this, David's kind he got a
majority of the money down here around here, the government money.
They build Andy's insurance for the DVT. And when Lak
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starts for that, and then Oswel turns around and they
charged the government for COVID, So it's a double bill.
It's all one facility. Basically, it's a sister foundation and
they had just bought it a month before. And I'm
gonna add this, they added those COVID what do you
what would you call that COVID bend down money? They
(31:30):
added that just shortly after. It's almost like they knew
that it was coming, that they were going to get
it expanded by these smaller hospitals.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Oh yeah, yeah, so yeah, that's that's what happened. And
so what what have you done going forward? What what
has happened in terms of, you know, keeping his memory alive,
keeping his voice alive? What do you want other folks
to know out there in terms of, you know, to
be an advocate for themselves and for a loved one.
(32:01):
What have you learned?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I've learned that regardless of your age, there has to
be a plan legally at that everybody should have an
attorney on standby, not stand by, but everybody needs a
family attorney, one that they trust, one that knows the
laws inside and out, one that knows loopholes for when
things like this happen, because in my opinion, and if
I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but in my opinion, a doctor
(32:25):
they should be able to handle ten different kinds of
diseases like COVID at one time and not kill people
a purpose that's not ever gonna be okay. And if
you don't use your voice, and you don't walk to
each other and tell each other what you would want
in that kind of a situation, then this happens again.
(32:47):
There's it's a murder crime scene, that's what it is.
And unfortunately in Kentucky, you know, I was ready to
just shut their doors. I had a golden platter, and
not an attorney would look at it because of the Prepact,
And it's not okay to do that. Where's our protection?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
You know?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
And now Kentucky they decriminalized medical error. Our governor said
that it is because he wants them to feel safe
they come forward for if there's ever a mishap like
the one in Tennessee. But here's what I'm going to say,
bull crap because now they've given them this leeway, they
(33:28):
one of them has come forward with what they did
wrong with COVID.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah. Yeah, they're far and few between. While there are
some people out there, there are definitely doctors and nurses
that are fighting the fight excellently. You won't see them
on the mainstream media. You know, We've tried to have
them here on the shows. We've had doctor Mary Tally
Bowden on the show. We've had Bruce Boris on the show.
Cardiologists down in South Florida. You know, there's doctor Verone
down in Texas. There's Pierre Corey. There's tons of people
(33:55):
out there, and yet and there's doctors here even in
Florida that they've tried to take your leg since is
a way anybody who speaks out against the mainstream medical media,
they're the ones that are shut down. And you're right.
You know, we have for a long time in healthcare
had risk management, risk management and all the things we
do with adverse events. And you know, we do all
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these quality analyzes, we do all kinds of root cause analyzes,
and it's always in an effort to you know, not
identify one individual or individuals to shift blame. But the
problem is it never gets out into the public and
it's all hush hush. All the incident reports, countless ones
(34:38):
that are written day after day, year after year. Most
people will never hear about those incidences. Do they rise
to the level of fatality. It's all an internal, very
quietly kept docket of information, if you will. And if
people knew how many medical errors took place before COVID,
let me rest assured. During COVID it was cart blood
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and not that people. I'd hate to think. You know,
there's I know a lot of nurses, a lot of physicians.
They just didn't use critical thinking and they didn't use
good judgment, and they just did as they were guided
to do with the CDC guidelines. You must use this
med if a patient's in this parameter. But here's the
biggest part out of all of this, The biggest medical
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fraud has taken place across the United States. Because if
you are going to build for services or care and
you're going to run labs today, and you're going to
run labs tomorrow, and you're going to do a test
and an EEG. You also have to follow up with well,
what was the care delivered? And if you stop delivering
(35:43):
or trying to do anything, then you're not really delivering care.
You can't build certain things, and that is in essence,
fraudulent billing. And that's why all during COVID, all the
tests and the tests and the days people were left
in the hospital, they followed the pro call, but they
never change the level of care to meet the changes
(36:04):
in the patient's labs. So day after day fraudulent billing
and no one ever got called on it. It's the
biggest Konzi scheme out there in terms of what do
you do? Yeah, people don't know because we can't get
on the mainstream media. We can't let the masses know.
And people like you and I were shut down, were quieted.
Nobody wants to hear stories. They always have a reason why,
(36:27):
Oh well, you just don't have enough information. Collectively, all
the people that I wrote about in my book, all
the people that are on all of our different support groups.
You know, we've got the former FEDS dot org group,
We've got the Humanity Betrayal Project, the COVID Humanity Trail Project,
all these different groups and we're getting out there. We're
on X, We've got shows on X. We've got a
(36:50):
wonderful event taking place down in West Palm Beach where
we're going to be talking about a variety of things
that goes well beyond just all the COVID homicide. But
now Odd's coming out with the vaccines, vaccine injuries. It's
a multitude, and see what people don't understand. And Ellie,
you get this. It started with the shutdown. It started
with the scheme, then it started with the fear. Then
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it started with no right to try, no right to
try drugs that could have helped long before your brother
even got ill, and not even cooked. The right to
try never took place. They pushed out the Emergency Use authorization.
They even created a drug that models ivermectin, and yet
(37:34):
that very drug has toxic issues. Why did they put
ivermectin And if it was just a horse pill, right,
you know, for horses. So Merk themselves created paxlovid because
it's got ivermectin in it again, because they wanted to
try to capture people that really started to get onto
(37:54):
the ivermectin deal and thought well, we're just going to
drive it up this way, so many failures, so many lies,
so you know everything here they want I want them
to hear your story. I want them to hear what
are you doing now? How are you keeping him alive? Now?
Speaker 3 (38:08):
And some things. I have his two little great grand babies,
Annie and Ace. They are exactly eleven months apart, well
eleven months of Park. They are they are my son Shaw.
Let me tell you they they make you feel again.
I hate that they miss him, but you know, and
(38:30):
he will look at a picture now, and like the
other one you showed earlier, she'll say, hey.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
You put up the pictures so that Ellie can talk
about it.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
You know, Yeah, that's a right there, And well, I know.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
How about I know, how about the picture you created?
Tell us what that picture means? This is beautiful.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
So that is actually on our wall outside of our shop.
Tables's addictions is actually in memory of Andy. That's his
signature down in the corner that I pulled off of
something he had done that represents what he went through.
The little boys. Andy with his hoodie on in his sweatpants,
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he's pulling the curtain back to what is going to
be his life flashing before his eyes. Just a bunch
of chaos and commotion and just craziness. But underneath all
that crazy commotion, there's love and family and I've got
some stuff hidden in there, like my last name's up
there of God. Just different little things that get things
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to our family hidden throughout the wall. But also the red.
The red is that's the blood, the blood that was
shed because of COVID. You see the vein that goes
through it, and you see that vein has got issues
and you see that that vein explodes. You don't see
a lot of green there because green ovid back in
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the day, I just didn't want to use a whole
lot of the green color. But you see a little
bit of the green because they did introduce it to
him with the convalescent plasma. Remember he was an a
body negative. But just to me, it's about that little
boy and what's gonna happen. But he's not gonna be
scared because he knows I'm going to take care of it,
(40:22):
and I can promise you are. Kentucky may be decriminalized,
but there's seventeen leuvel Bright now right now calling him
the Kentucky seventeen. I'm actually gonna put him down the
sleeve of a MUSS shirt later on in memory of
everywhere of them. Every time I find one, I'm gonna
add their name to the shirt, and I'm hoping to
(40:43):
get their little pile folder that they have on the
website and use that as their pictures. I want to
I want to bring awareness to hospitals and negligence and malpractice.
And I don't want to even call this medical malpractice.
I know that means what murder or whatever, but this
(41:06):
is murder. Medical malpractice to me is when a doctor
makes an error and they.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Are ver entitled to No, we made mistakes here. He
was blind and it was intentional. Yeah, that is mass murder.
And that's premeditated.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
And that's also, if you want to go a step further,
murder for hire. Premeditated mass murder. You know, I just
I just cannot believe that this was ever allowed to happen,
but it did. And so I have to make sure
that I make something good out of this ad horrible
situation because that's all I know to do. That's how
we were raised.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
That stuff happens.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Life happens, and you lose a lot more than you
win in life, so you have to take the day,
you have to make it and you have to just
make a good happen. And what good could happen from this?
It was hard at first. Now I'm not going to
make something good out of this, But I did a difference.
(42:09):
I brought up to Dables's addictions out into the community.
I met people who actually came in through our doors
to meet me in order to not like me because
they worked at that hospital. And now we're friends. I
learned a lot of the protocols. I learned a lot
of things. I'm learning more every day, and in as
(42:29):
long as I could get one person a day at least,
I would like to reach more to listen to Ady's story,
just because I would like to tell his story, not theirs,
it doesn't count gold, but his story and maybe eventually
help them to save someone in their family. And that's
(42:52):
making good out of this bad, horrible situation. Meeting people
like you, And thank you by the way for being
brave and in your weakest you break your bravest. People
like you or who we do need to take care
of us, middlely, physically, emotionally, even so, thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I head you appreciate it well. You are welcome, Ellie,
and it's been a blessing to have you here on
the show today. I just want to close out with
folks to understand that, you know, Ellie is fighting the fight,
not just for herself and her brother, but for all
of you. She's out there in Kentucky. What's a good
way for people to reach out to you.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
So I can be You can find me on Facebook
under Shameless Addictions or Ellie Hayes. You can reach me
through email Shameless Addictions one O six at gmail dot com.
I'm always here. I do listen, I hear, I hear
you if i'd me, because we need as many of
you in Kentucky as we can find any I want
(43:50):
my shirt field not because I'm glad that it happened.
Of course it's happened. We can't change it. Let's make
something good out of it.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
We want to find people out there and listen for
folks across the country. If you want to reach out,
if you have more questions, I can certainly put you
in touch with all of these wonderful groups in Ellie.
Just reach out to nine oh four three seven seven
one one nine six. You can text and certainly if
you reach out to Patty, Patti Gilliano, g I L
L I A n O Wellness All One word dot com.
(44:23):
That's a great way for you to be able to
connect and reach out. My book's on there. It's quite
the tell all as far as the hospital homicides, what
it was like to be on the inside. I worked
in two very large organizations across the United States, and
I can tell you it was not a pretty site.
People were misinformed, there was deception, just like what Ellie said,
and there was not enough of us that were aware
(44:45):
to be able to help people because so many drank
the kool aid and just did what they were told
and didn't think critically. So next week I've got a
guest on who was actually sex trafficked and when she
was in her teenage years. Ellie again, and it's been
such a pleasure to have you on join us next
week story and you guys all be well. Thanks so
(45:07):
much for listening in. We'll see you again next week
three pm Eastern Wellness and censored and have a wonderful
Memorial Day weekend. Take care everybody,
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