A Romantic Tragedy

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, Hey, it's shar and we're just like that. Welcome
to the unofficial recap podcast for Max's original series. And
just like that, we're so excited, Denver. So you're ready,
I'm ready, all right, So let's get things started, all right, Denver,
Here we are, season three, episode eleven Forget About the Boy.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
But before.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
This recap ahead, go ahead, before we walk into the
recap for this episode. I know that your phone. I
imagine that your notifications blew up last Friday, August first,
as mine did from friends and fans. Yeah, it was

(00:54):
announced via Michael Patrick King, who is the showrunner of
In just like that, that the third season will unfortunately
be the final season of our show. And then s
JP wrote a nice little okay, so we're saving this

(01:14):
for the show. Denver and I did not talk about
this prior. We wanted to save this for the show.
It's also ironic that we just talked about the hate
Watchers last episode and now there's a collective morning I personally, Denver,
I am not surprised by this news. However, I think

(01:39):
that they could have squeezed one more season out. We
could have gotten one more season. We could have gotten
and part of me is squinting because I think that
both Michael Patrick King and Sarah Jessica Parker are leaning
into this online. I'm for sure that this was planned,

(02:01):
but I do not believe it was planned. Based on
the writing this season, it seems like I do not
believe that this was planned. I feel like the writing
this season was setting us up. It didn't get final season,
it didn't give final season. They had an opportunity to
do so much more. If this were the final season,
I feel like the pacing would have moved faster. You know,
we had some filler episodes. I feel like that premiere

(02:24):
would have been a bit more intentional. I just do
not believe that this cancelation was planned. I feel like
that's how they're selling it, but I don't believe that
was the intention when they sat down for the Season
three writers room.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Well, I can see it going two ways. Like one,
of course, I'm crushed. I was hoping that we would
get maybe five seasons, like I really wanted an I
wanted an aiden free season, and then I wanted just
a you know, balls to the wall, just like throw
it out, anything goes seasons. I was hoping for five,
but I was really happy we got a second season

(02:58):
because after the first season, you know, it was so mixed,
the reception was so mixed. I was surprised you got
to so to be at three, I'm like, I'm grateful.
I could believe that this was written to be the
last season only because when he was when he explained,
he said, as I finished this episode, I thought we
could end it here, right, So I don't think they

(03:20):
did set out to end it here, but I think,
you know, midway through they were like, you know what,
we can close it out. And that might explain why
some of the stuff in the earlier episodes didn't really
make sense. It didn't go anywhere, but they retroactively took
shit out because they realized we're not going to be
able to wrap some of this up. So maybe that's
why we did get killer episodes. You know, well, I.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Still feel like, I mean, to your point, I can
see that, but I still feel like they're not going
to tie every loose end unless we get surprised. Unless
while you're on vacation next week, we get on this
app and we see that the series finale is an
hour and fifteen minutes long, which we might see we

(04:01):
might see that because I was surprised by how short
this episode was. But listen you all, Denver and I
are are just as devastated. We were kind of rocked
by this. And I really am going to hate to
see these characters go because they they sounded like I
can't recall any former announcements, but this sounded so final.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
I was giving, we're not doing this shit again, like
we're done, even even SVP. She was like, Michael and
I we decided, like we did how many years ago
to say goodbye. Well we're doing it again. I'm like,
oh goodbye? Yeah, Okay, yeah, damn, can I get it?
Can I get LGW spin off or.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Some I'm warning, I'm warning, And I know that we
have six seasons of the original you know series, and
two films and now three seasons of in just like that.
But I'm not ready to let these characters go yet.
I'm just not.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
They've been around for such a large portion of my life.
Yeah weird.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, And to your point, I have not gone back
to rewatch the first season in a while, but I
have friends that have, and they say that the first
season was just a totally different show, you know, carrying
the hip replacement and Big Dying. It was very they
put some youth back into these ladies compared to that
first season. That first season is very geriatric. Yeah, and

(05:16):
I vaguely remember it, but you know, when you go
back and watch, I imagine that some things come up
for you. But yeah, just to put a cap on this, listen,
we saw you all's messages. We lightly talked about it.
We were not expecting this. We were not expecting this.
I was glad we got an episode out when we did.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yo, I think we put it up and then I
think maybe like twenty minutes later, I saw the post
and I sent it to you, and I was like, suh,
say something, say something, And I'm like.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Oh, yeah, no, you were the first person.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
I was like, she had a bunch of shit to
do today, so I was like, fuck, she's probably a
meeting or something. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
When you sent it to me, I was actually filming
a podcast. One of my friends is working on a podcast,
and so I was filming that Friday morning. But I
just I was, like I said, I felt indifferent when
I saw the post, and then like the more I
thought about it, and I think the more people wrote me,
I was like, I'm getting really sad about it.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
That was my reaction to and I said it to you.
I was like, oh my god, I can't believe it.
It's ending. Well, you know, we had a feeling it
was gonna end at some point, and then as time
went on, I was like, wait, I think the gravity
of what it meant kind of started to sink in
and I was like, oh.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Man, and missing the new characters, like we were just
falling in love with lt W and the.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Other thing, and I'm sure it's going to come up
in the speak pipes. Just as it started to get good, Yeah,
just as things started to make sense, just as we
started getting into the swing of things that you know,
were satisfying. It's going to end.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
It's incredibly frustrating, but you know, we got one more
episode and then I think Denver correct me if I'm wrong.
We're going to give them a bonus episode after the
fal the week after, I think, and then our.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Final series finale. Oh I'm sad again.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Uh. I wanted to address something that I thought was interesting.
Did you know that the actress, the actress that plays
Mia is the daughter of Ben Stiller?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
No?

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Did you know this? And that her grandmother is an actress.
Her grandmother is named Anne. I think it's Mira. And
she played Steve's mother in Sex and the City. So
full circle moment, right in a weird, twisted way. She's
she since passed on, but she yes, she played Steve's

(07:35):
mother on the fifth season of Sex and the City.
And she is the daughter of Ben Stiller and Christine Taylor.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
And now she's How the hell did you find that out?

Speaker 1 (07:45):
I just you know, it hit the the Sex and
the City blogs, really just you know, and I did
some digging and I was like, Wow, this is smart
casting and it's kind of funny. I didn't want to
ask you this though before we launch into our speak pipes,
because we got quite a few this week. Of course,
one of my friends asked me, and this is a
prediction for the next episode, for the finale, do you

(08:09):
think that we're going to get a Michelle Obama cameo
in the finale in the series finale. No, okay, I
don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
It's possible.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
It's very possible because it's still open ended. We don't
have a button on ltw's documentary or the Marian storyline.
That's what. That's what makes me think that like, this
is not this was not planned.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
My man.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
We haven't seen maryon in two episodes, and that's a
big plot that they were building for LTW. We talked
the entire first few episodes. It was Grace quitting, and
you know, the executives were coming in and they want
Michelle Obama. So I was like, hmm, I was rubbing
my hands together.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
One of my friends realize, she's probably just gonna realize
that she was making a mistake and go back to
her man, and then that's it, you know what I mean,
Like they're just gonna make give us some dumb ending.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if
if first Lady Michelle Obama was a fan of this
show and pops in maybe on a zoom call like
Susie Esmond did last week or something.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I don't know. I could see that.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
See yeah, I can't too, but thought I wanted to
ask you that I thought that was pretty funny. Now
excuse me, you also taking in so much air?

Speaker 2 (09:24):
That happened?

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Okay, are you ready to get into our speech pipes?

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, six, we have six and what I'm seeing we
have two from Marvelous, two from Nash, and then one
from Cindy and one from Tiffany. So we'll start with
Tiffany and then go down the line.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Sound good, sounds great?

Speaker 1 (09:45):
All right, let's hear what Tiffany had to say.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Hey, Denver, this is Tiffany. I was just leaving you
all on the message before the end of the series.
As you know, we've all received the notification that the
series is ending. Can't say I'm surprised or disappointed. As
a matter of fact, in the last three weeks I

(10:09):
have listened to the pod and not actually watched the episode.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
That have been just fine. I have really.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
Thoroughly enjoyed listening to you all for the last three seasons.
I want to give y'all extra work to do and.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Say, please please.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Do a podcast together, something together, because we really enjoy
hearing you two together. I just wanted to give you
all y'all's flowers before the show is over.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Thank you, Thank you. Tiff I'm so I'm not gonna start, Denver.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I'm not gonna start you already. When the show ends,
you know, I'm gonna be on here in full tears
right like, I'm gonna just turn the cameras off.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I'm not gonna start. That's very, very sweet, and it's
quite comical that you haven't watched the last three episodes,
but you've tuned into this sloppy show.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I mean, I guess to do a good job of it.
You do a great job of recapping what's going on.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Thank you, Thank you. You do as well, my friend.
Thank you. I just feel I can it's feeling very
uh final, but thank you, Tiffany. Let's move on to Cindy. Well,
I think we've heard from before.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
Hey denverynshures Cindy here. You know, I'm sure we've all
heard the news by now of the show ending. I
was at work when I found out, and I was
so upset. You know, I didn't expect the show to
go on for like ten seasons or anything, but I
feel like with season three specifically, they finally just found
their footing and I would have liked just at.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Least one more season.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
And you know, at this point, I feel like we're
gonna get a solid ending, like I said, just because
outside of episode one, the the rest of the season
has been really strong. So I feel like at least
Michael Patrick King will not let us down at the
season well, but I'm still just really upset either way. Though,
I'm going to echo the speak five thousand a few

(12:03):
weeks ago as far as like, you know, outside of
this show. I know you all have obviously your full
time jobs, but if you all were ever to entertain
the thought of doing another joint podcast together, you will
have a like and subscribe for me. And one last thing,
a shout out to The friend Zone and specifically Dustin
Ross because he was the one that mentioned you guys

(12:25):
like a few years ago on their show, and that's
how I started listening to you all. So I'm excited
that I was brought here from them, and let's finish
out this season with a bang.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Thank you Cindy, Oh yes, thank you Cindy, and shout
out to Dustin and Asanta and Fran over there on
the friend Zone. Those are my babies. Those are my babies.
I love all three of them and that was very sweet.
You know. I hope that the finale will be good.
Full disclosure, I did watch. I was surprised, very surprised
that they gave us a teaser for next week because

(13:00):
when it were up to me, I would have left
it dry. She was a teaser. It didn't look it
didn't look like this was planned. I'm gonna I'm gonna stick.
It just looked like a regular. It looked like a
regular to do. Okay, thank you, Cindy. That was That
was very sweet and so now we have two from
Nash and two from Marvelous, and then we can launch

(13:21):
into our official recap. So let's take a listen to
what Nash had to say.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Hey Sha, Hey, Denver, Hey everyone, it is Nash, so
jumping right in. I thought that the wrap up of
Carrie and Duncan, or maybe what we think is a
wrap up, was so sweet and so special when she
realized that Duncan was the first or one of the
first men to notice her smarts first, outside of her

(13:49):
sexiness or cuteness, it really made me reminisce on all
of my past relationships, and I thought it was just
so touching and special and something I definitely want to
talk to my friends about and bring up over a
round of drinks on our next girl's night. I did
not appreciate just overall. I hate when they keep saying

(14:10):
baby mama, that could be the mother of his child.
She doesn't have to beat baby mama.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Come on.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
And then also Seema knocking over the plant unnecessary. I
really do not appreciate how they are making Sema the
babb bitch act like a sixteen year old. She reminds
me of how I used to act like, Oh I
hate boys, Oh boys are gross? When boys have crushes
on me in elementary and middle school, why are they

(14:37):
making her act like a teen I don't get it.
She's too bad of a bitch for it. But either way,
thanks guys, I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Well. My personal opinion on that is, I think that
Seema is acting this way because Seema has never experienced
a relationship or.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
A love Like That's exactly what I was gonna say.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
And sometimes, you know, we revert the body keeps score,
you can revert to some childlike ways, you know. I'm
just saying, like, when you have something that you don't
think is possible for you, or something that maybe you
have just totally ridden off, Like I know so many
people that have just sworn off dating because the dating
pool is tragic, and you know, someone falls out of

(15:22):
a coconut tree and really wows you and kind of
checks off all your boxes. You can revert back to
being a little sixteen year old. That's my thought on it.
This is Nash Part two.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
Hey, look, I'm sitting here a phone in my clothes
and listening to the episode Shah when you drop that
Eyama quote, because if you do it to huh did
you do it to me? When I tell you I screamed,

(15:59):
I the scream that I've scrowned because.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
Goodbye, I can't goodbye.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
Listen. That used to be my pastor. I love me
some Ian leave these days. She is hosting retreats. She
used to have a podcast on the shan Land Network,
and last I checked, she was like hosting retreats and
doing what we do. She's like going live and doing this.
I mean everybody's you know, the pivot is in independent media.

(16:39):
I should mention I'm here in Cleveland for nabj's fiftieth
anniversary and we're having it's a lot of interesting conversations.
I spoke on a panel earlier this morning about like
finding your beat and culture reporting. But it's been a
lot of interesting conversations surrounding the direction of media.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Is the tone hopeful. Is it optimistic? Are we walking
around the conference with.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (17:07):
For the for the most part, yes, But people are
still being very honest. And I know. I just I
talked to a young man who is graduating from Florida
A and M University this December, and I told him
he's asking for advice. I say, get an internship. He's
already done one. I said, get one for this last semester.

(17:28):
Get one for this last semester. Get one, because it's
going to serve if it's done right, and if there's room,
it's going to service. The perfect launching pad is you
get that piece of paper and get pushed out into
the cold, hard world. You'll have that fresh establishment there,
you know, that fresh networking. But I've been talked to
a lot of students and it's it's it's been a
mixed bag. It's it's a fun conference. I've been having

(17:49):
a good time.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
It's miss President, Madam President, Madam President.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Okay, so Marvelous left us too, and then we'll launch
in time. Oh my god, we're twenty minutes in and
then we'll launch inton to the recap. Okay, this is marvelous, Hi.

Speaker 6 (18:09):
Deniver High Shower Marvelous is back, So this will actually
be in reference to episode number nine because it was
major bit you got busy and I meant to call
y'all last week, but I had things to do. And
with the cancelation of our show and our girls, I
am sick. So I just, I just I can't.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I can't, I can't.

Speaker 6 (18:29):
I literally shed a tear. So let's just get into
the major plot of this episode, which was Carrie dumping
that and she asked, Nigga, Aiden, nigga, get show shit,
get show shit, and get out, okay, because I'm about
to burn it down like left eye. How you gonna
tell me.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
To get up out of my bed?

Speaker 6 (18:49):
Okay? And the house that I pay for in my house,
we're not doing that, okay.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Now.

Speaker 6 (18:55):
When she told that, man, how dare you? It was
giving you beefs I tell you, and I am so
proud of Spicy Carrie. It just hurts my heart and
my spirit now to know that with the cancelation of
our show and our girls, this is the end of
these characters. This is the end, especially when when we're
talking about Ladies sixty plus. You know what's what comes next,

(19:18):
deaf and I just want to say, I am thankful
for what we had because beggars can't be choosy, and
we had three seasons thirty two episodes to see our girls.
But I get it, they are over sixty and the
criticism was just becoming too much, especially coming from gen Z,
because how dare y'all love my Uh?

Speaker 1 (19:39):
It cuts off there.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
I knew that was going to happen.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
You know, gen Z don't have a dog in this fight.
They don't know these characters. But I don't know shit
to remrvelss this point. I am gonna miss Spicy carry
I'm loving the direction of where.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Where She's I'm telling you we did an entire season
of just Spicy carry Out and about.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
I was thinking, before I play Marvelous the second part,
I was thinking, you know how Malcolm Lee, the creator
of the Best Man, just released a book that's like
based off of one of the fictional books in the show.
What if that they should probably release? Like I would
love to read Carrie's books. I would love to read
this novel about the woman in eighteen four. I would

(20:21):
buy them. I would buy carry they did that.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Somebody said, And if you haven't seen SVP's Farewell note
on Instagram go look at it because it's very moving.
But somebody said it's hilarious to me how s JP
is a much better writer in real life than Carrie
is in the show, and it tickled me because she
absolutely is well.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
She also does a lot of reading. Okay, this is
Marvelous is part two, and then we'll launch into the show.

Speaker 6 (20:48):
Cool Hi, Denver high shar Marvelous is back from my doubleheader.
It's been a sad week knowing that this is for
our girls, but I had to come back and talk
about episode him. Brady got the discipline that he needed
when he was fucking up and down his parents' house,
Steve telling him that he was gonna lay him the
fuck out.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Little boy. Shut up and listen to what your father
has to say. It is what it is.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
Miranda is getting the karma that she dished out when
she was treating Mary and Steve like shit when she
got pregnant with Brady. It is, but it is Anthony
and Gioseppe. Anthony looks really good.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
For his age.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
That's the reality for a lot of gay men. You
can just tell he don't moist you rye, so a
little bit of lotion we'll have that skin looking good. Okay,
he better buckle up and get ready to pay for
that boy, Seema. She sabotages her relationships picking, picking, picking, picking, picking,
pick and picking.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Girl, get over it, caring duncan.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
Thank you for seeing our girl a fairy tale these
cinched Way silhouettes. She is a dream, floating and gliding
over that water.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I am so glad she.

Speaker 6 (21:52):
Decided not to wear that gray suit because hindsight is
twenty twenty and looking at her and his ex wife,
Emma Jen, she would have looked like carbon copy of
that lady. So I'm glad she went for the fairy
tale suet and slept with that man. Sow you guys,
what now that the show is ending, What are we
going to do? Are we going to pick up with
something else? White lotus beauty in the black. I will

(22:15):
follow you guys wherever. It's been nice to be able
to chime in, but I love you too, and I'll
follow you guys.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
What's happening?

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Thank you marvelous. You guys are making me so woo.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I know I don't know what no.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
But I'm actually I'm sitting up here like shar suck
it and second and second, and don't embarrass yourself. I'm
feeling just very sentimental, but thank you all for those
beautiful messages. We Denver and I we both really really
appreciate it, and thank you for I'll save my speech
for the fine. Let's launch it the season three episode eleven, Forget.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
About the Boy, Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
This episode opens up Thanksgiving is coming up, which is
actually a reality for us. Thanksgiving is coming up soon,
and the episode opens with Carrie ordering pies at the
local bakery and it is giving a shady set. This
scene was funny to me. I mean, it just was
there to be there. What a random way to open
up the season now? Is that is the bakery owner?

(23:17):
Is she a call back to somebody that I'm just
not remembering.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Before? I think we have, I think we have. I
don't know. I mean, I know I've definitely seen her
like a bunch of stuff, but I think we've seen.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Her, right the actress?

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
I love that scene because for me, like I'm someone
that's lived in my neighborhood for nearly a decade and
it's like, yeah, when you when you like patronize your
your local businesses, especially small businesses or mom and pop
you get special treatments. Sometimes you can get an extra
taco in your order and stuff like that. You know.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
I mean, I wish I could say the same. I
think I've outlived all of the small businesses around here. Yeah,
so I'm the oldest bitch here. Yeah, I think it.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Which, by the way, I definitely I forgot to tell you.
I forgot to tell you. I know you told me this,
but you haven't told me where you're well, well.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
It's nothing nothing said on just it's time. You know,
when you get the feeling on this time, I have
the feeling, yes.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
We will, we will talk. I do know that feeling.
What I will say is that I forgot to tell you.
Two weeks ago, I ended up going to Kazu nor
like that Friday. Yeah. I ended up going.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Oh that sounds so good right now.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
I had a great time. I did the six hand
rolls and I got some sashimi on the side. I
took Anthony out. It was his birthday weekend, and I
was like, do you want to go for sushi?

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (24:38):
He's had it before. But I definitely was like, I
remember when Denver, Denver introduced me to this place. It
was a different time in both of our lives. Oh
my god, it wasn't like that was like twenty eighteen,
went to.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Pre pre COVID.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
I thank yeah, it was like twenty eight We were
both in very different places in our lives.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Oh yeah, I was like face number two for me.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
I just remember some of our conversation there. We were
very we were very different people. Yeah, still had a
lot going on. But Show and Carrie Carrie. When Carrie
leaves his bakery, she calls Miranda to catch up. I

(25:24):
shouldn't mention you know that it's it's mentioned later on
in the episode, but they're planning for Thanksgiving and it's
Miranda's first time hosting Thanksgiving, and so Carrie is just
letting her know that, like, you know, I got them pies.
And we see Carrie walking down her old street and
that's when she runs into Lisette as Lisette is like,
you know, leaving, and Lisette and Carrie are catching up,

(25:45):
and Lisette mentions, you know, I haven't seen you in
forever because of a boy. How many if I had
a nickel? Every time? You know that was said either
from me or to me. That's kind of crazy. Uh,
they catch up.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
You said, what so a while we're going there.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Oh yeah, we're going there. We're definitely going there. But
they catch up. Lisette has been missing for seven months
and that's her record, and Carrie is like, well, twenty
two years is my record. From this conversation conversation, Lisette
ends up inviting Carrie to get together kind of like
a friends giving that she's hosting the Monday before Thanksgiving. Boom.

(26:24):
Then we get Carrie kind of looking up at her
apartment and she looks like there looks like there's a
longing there. She's looking a little bit apartment.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
A little bit. I think what I liked is when
Lizette asked her to come to the party, she kind
of gave like this non answer. It's like a smile
and like a she didn say yeah, She didn't say no,
and Lisette actually took it, which I thought was interesting, Well,
our girl is Monday.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Our girl is yeah. She did say that. She did
kind of reiterate that Carrie's going through a lot of
conflicting emotions in this episode.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Will also, I don't know I've said this before, but Lizette,
to me, it looks like the older Brunette, sister of
Sidney Sweeney, and she talks like her too. They have
the same vocal.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Oh my god, wait with Sidney, Sweety's being for real
or when she's going like it's great James determined hair
color both.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
I mean, they're they're kind of the same.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
She does look like Sidney Sweeney and a brown wig,
a brown curly wig.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
I didn't think about that, but she does.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
God, I'm so tired of hearing that name. Different show,
different show, different show. Perhaps the next show that we do.
Our next scene, we get Charlotte and Harry. They're setting
the table, getting ready for dinner, and Harry mentions that
he has not had an direction since the surgery. He's
ready to get it on and crack it again, because

(27:47):
Charlotte and Harry sex life is a core tenant of
their relationship, of their marriage, and they just have not
been getting it on. Yeah. In this episode, I mean,
in the scene though, we learned that Harry just isn't
interested in doing Thanksgiving at Miranda's. He wants to eat
charlotte stuffing at his house, not at Miranda's. And you know,

(28:08):
and you know he's making jokes that Miranda probably listens
to NPR during Thanksgiving dinner and all of this curmudgety stuff.
I thought that was funny. But then we hear Miranda's
youngest child, Rock, calling out for their mother and they
need Charlotte's help to zip them up in their thoroughly
modern MILLI costume.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Now here we go.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
What did you make of this scene? Because I have thoughts.
I have thoughts, but I want to know what you
made of this scene.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
So first of all, rock with Bob here for it.
Let's just get that out of the way. You know,
I love a Bob. As far as like Charlotte's reaction,
I was kind of confused and I was confused. I
don't know if I was confused because she was confused,
or if I was confused because I was trying to

(28:58):
like kind of gauge her sentiment. I wasn't sure what
I was reading that makes it. I was sure Charlotte
was confused because of her reaction. I was just and
then maybe just because you know, just I don't know
it's it was complicated and I don't and I don't
quite know why. But I think later in the episode

(29:20):
it kind of clears.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
So we'll pick up this conversation when we get there,
because I was squinting and I was like, are we.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Is this getting a little promblematic.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Like but also acknowledging the complexities around being the parent
of not just a A. I don't know if Rock
identifies as non binary trands or just non binary, because
there is a difference, the difference with language, but I'll
just say an lgbt Q plus kid, right. Sometimes parents

(29:55):
act a fool if you, uh, if you show up
as Milly and you don't identify as Milly, which we'll
get to. So our next scene, we're with Anthony and
Giuseppe in the dressing room of Burgdorf Good Men, and
Gieppe's trying on sweaters when out of nowhere, he gets

(30:15):
on one knee and proposes to Anthony, what do you
think provoked to this?

Speaker 2 (30:18):
You know what? I think this is the one time
where I think I would have just preferred if they
were actually like doing something gross in the fitting room,
because the proposal just came out of left field. I
wasn't feeling it didn't move me, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
It was like, are you to blow me in the Burgdorf?

Speaker 2 (30:32):
And I kind I kind of wish that was the reality, honestly,
because it is for so many, like what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (30:39):
It is for so many?

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Have you done that ad dressing room? I've never done
an in dressing room.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
No, I've never done.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Done it in a lot of places, but not a
dressing room.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
I've never done. I have had someone send me media
from a dressing room, but I've never done it.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
I don't think I've ever taken that either in a dressingroom.
I don't know why. I just normally when I'm out shopping,
I don't like dressing rooms anyway. Yeah, I'm trying to
get in and it up.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, I don't mind addressing, especially if I'm unsure about sizing.
But nevertheless, so that happens our next thing clothes or
what I'm saying that the proposal happened.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
No, No, you say you're unsure about sizing. I said,
are you talking about clothes or a But.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
You got that one Denver. Yes, I'm talking about clothes.
So our next scene, we get Carrie. She's with her
editor and she's getting praise about her novel. But her
editor kind of gags her and says, this is great.
I'm just waiting on the last chapter and Carrie's like,
but that's the whole book, and the editors like, oh well,

(31:40):
Carrie says, after her love dies, the woman is alone,
and her editor lets her know that what she has
written is a romantic tragedy. Like it's not about happy endings,
It's about what people want to read, and people want
to end I know, even myself, when I read books
I like to and not everything has to be on
a high note. But it's got to make sense.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
I don't knowing payoff, It's.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Got to have a satisfying payoff, especially if I'm feeling
through hundreds of pages. Yes, absolutely, absolutely correct. I recently
within recent years, I want to say, as of within,
like the past five years have stopped books dead in
their tracks prior to Like what I mean is like
if I'm reading something and it's not clicking, I'm five

(32:27):
six chapters in. I used to be like I got
to see it through, and now I'm like, this book
is on my bookshelf, and this book like I've done
it with books from different genres, from fiction to I've
never had to put a biography down, though, but I've
had to put down a book that a lot of
people like it just wasn't for me, and I can't

(32:50):
wait to see the film they're adapting it into a film.
And then I had to do.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
It for what you have to say? What it is?

Speaker 1 (32:58):
It's it's because I know some of her family and
I really like this author, but I did not like Okay,
it's children oftiqued. Children of Blood and Bone is a
book that's not for me. I thought that it would
be different from what it was, and the only reason
why it's not for me is each chapter has a
different perspective and it throws me off. It just was

(33:20):
hard to follow. It would be like if you and
I had dinner and the first chapter is my account
of the dinner and the second chapter is your account
for it. It gets it got a little too weavy
for me, and I got through a lot of it.
But a lot of people love it and like the
cast looks amazing and I will be going to go
see the film because maybe the film will be so good.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
I love the setting. I love you know, I love
how Tony writes. That book just wasn't for me. And
then the other one.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Was so not not to stop you, but wasn't there
some controversy with that casting I think I saw somebody
not being X enough or oh I don't.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
It does take place in West Africa, I believe, so.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
I think. I think there's a there's a headline or two,
a spicy one out there about I have to me
had to come to the defense of old girl because
she was like, I wrote the book and I think
it's fine, Like.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Who is it? Amandla? She's in the book, I mean
in the movie who is it?

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Not that one, but it's one of those type of situations.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
No, I don't recall this, but the second one is
The Seat of the Soul by Gary Zukoff. I just thought,
like the title, I was like, going to get into this.
What's his face? Oprah and Maya Angelou both wrote the forward.
I was like, oh, we're clicking. I have my highlighter
and I really sat down in that book. Just even
the audiobook. I tried the audio. I can't. Gary Zukov

(34:49):
speaks very slowly and very softly, and there's a thick accent.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
It's just wow and drag me money.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Then for you'd be a great candidate for an audio book.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
You know. People tell me that all the time.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
People tell me that, well, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Well, I meant no, but your voices and I've done it.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
I've had men ask me to read them bedtime stories.
I channel Mary Alice and so you know, if you
know Desperate Housewives.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Then you know Twitch like the people doing the ASMR
on Twitch where they sit there in their chairs like
in their brawls and they just touch the thing and
then people send them money. Guys do it too, and
do it on TikTok. No hold on, because I was thinking,
I listen, I was thinking, if the bills get a
little tight, I might just take my shirt off and
just yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
So.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Send clear my bra But maybe I'll do the top
headlines and whisper.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
You couldn't breaking news.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
The Supreme Court just rolled back the photo back to
nineteen sixty five.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
You know what that actually might hit You might actually no,
oh no, income, I mean I'm dead as serious minipervs.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, that is true. Well, as I mentioned, Carrie has
written a romantic tragedy. But Carrie challenges that and her
editor puts, you know, she pushes back her editor. Does
make sense because if you look at this from the
lens of eighteen forty six, women didn't have equity, Women
did not have what they have access to today. You

(36:25):
literally have to be tied to a man in order
to make any moves in life.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
So I know when she was when she was saying it,
I thought she was just kind of being shady, But
that was actually a really fair point.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, No, it really was. Yeah, it really was, especially
eighteen Are you kidding me? The Civil War wasn't even
hadn't even happened yet in eighteen forty six. I don't
believe it wasn't over. It hadn't even kicked off.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Well, our next scene, we get Miranda and Charlotte. They
are having cocktails with Carrie at her place, and this
is when Charlotte invites the girl to Rock's play and
she gets really transparent with them about seeing Rock in
the MILLI costume. She's kind of stuck on this, I've noted.
So now we can unpack because before we further this conversation,

(37:14):
what do you think Charlotte was experiencing and the big
deal around Rock in this costume?

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I think that it was joy And I think only
because I would imagine as a parent, especially as a mom,
when you have a daughter, you kind of have this
vision of them growing up.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
We always talk about this doing.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
The things you want them to do, and yes, how
they're going to look and you kind of like imagine
their lives for them. Yeah, she's going to go to
prom and she's going to do this, you know, and
the reality is, you know, she's they and they're not
going to do those things that you always dreamed of
them doing. So this was almost like a little glimpse
into what could have been. And I think and I
think it was a combo of joy and then I

(37:58):
think what we saw earlier was joy, but then also
maybe like a little morning for the daughter that she
thought that she was going on.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
And I want to and I want to note to
your point this is an exclusive to daughters. It's with sons.
You know. It's one of those things when a lot
of people, most parents, when they find out the gender
of their of their baby, they subconsciously have that child's
entire life planned out for them, including what they're going
to look like, how they're going to behave. And I

(38:31):
think that's part of becoming a parent. Like I'm not
a parent, you're not a parent, But I think a
core tenant of good parents that I've heard, like I
always reference tik Milan, who says that his father said,
my job is to show you how to be, not
who to be, meaning making you a principled human being,
not who to I'm not going to twist your arm

(38:52):
into making you who I want you to be. I'm
just giving you the keys to the kingdom, so to speak,
as long as you're a decent human being. And I
think that that's actually what damages the relationships between a
lot of parents and their children is people get hung
up on their projections. And so to your point, it
was kind of like everything everywhere all at once moment

(39:13):
where in another universe, this is, this is rob you know,
like this, this is this would have been so yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, made me think of my mom because part of
me feels like, you know, you wonder being gay? Stuff
Like is there a part of her that wonders like
what if you know, I was had the wife and
I was doing the kids, and I stayed in Georgia
and I did the whole traditional thing, and you know,
and I think like, as a child, I mean, you
almost don't really feel like guilty because I mean there's
really nothing that could be done about it. But it's

(39:42):
like you or at least for me. I don't speak
for anybody else, but like almost sometimes like I wonder
if not, I wonder if But I'm not trying to
say I don't know. I mean she's she's cool with
whatever is going on, you know. Yeah, I feel like
down she probably you know, there's a chance she probably
didn't want to be like a grandma and have all

(40:04):
these things and she just didn't get that with me,
you know. Oh well, but but.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
She still could, like you can still have children.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
I mean yeah, but it's just not just not in
the way that I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yes, yeah, And it also makes me think of, yeah,
like you know, if and this is in relation to
Rock and Charlotte, right, let's say Rock was not non binary.
It makes me think of like those TikTok skits of
like when the when the daughterling's mask or as a
stud and then you know, they get a glimpse, the
parent gets a glimpse like they were that dressed to

(40:34):
prom or to a funeral or something, and you get
that glimpse, you know type thing. Yeah, And I should
mention some people are a bit more flexible in their
presentation than others, so some parents do get get those
moments other people, no, not so much. So yeah, I
wanted to explore that, and I wonder I would ask
Michael Patrick King why he felt it necessary to include

(40:56):
that and only say that with the current climate and
conversations happening around non binary people and people, it just
felt displaced to me. And again like they don't know
what Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Right, I mean, And especially considering like that was such
a big part I think of season one and passed
it already to revisit it just for.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
For a glimpse, because we're going to see later in
the episode that Charlotte herself moved past it as well.
So also in the scene, Miranda reveals that she can't
make she will not be at Rock's play because she's
going with Joy to a lecture about the role of
media in disaster management, and Carrie's syke sounds so fun.

(41:40):
Miranda also reveals that she invited Brady's baby mama Miya
to Thanksgiving, which I thought was a fun play on words.
You know, mama miya.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Oh yeah, we got again. It's always funy to hear
why women use the word baby mama, because it's almost
like a joke.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Well, you you heard what Nash said, Now I was
like that one friend that might be who woke. But
I get it. I get it. It's very coded, like
it's very cool. Come on on, Miranda. And I don't
imagine Miranda's character using the term baby mama.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I just don't. I mean, I think I do, because
it's one of those things where it's like you're kind
of in disbelief, so like you joke about it because
it's not like real, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
to the point like baby mama, it's not really like
the most humanizing term, so you know, baby's child's mother.
That kind of ground turned reality a little bit. This
is still like the baby mama, baby's not here. This

(42:33):
ain't even real, you know what I mean. It's that
kind of.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
We still don't know if it's Brady's baby. On top
of that that part feel like we're doing all this conversation.
But also in this conversation, Charlotte compliments, and this is
when I really got a good look at what you
mentioned last week about how Carrie's place is so furnished,
because Charlotte mentions how warm and cozy it is now
that it is fully furnished, And also in this conversation,

(42:56):
Carrie fills the girls in on her editor's feedback and
how she's tasked with writing an epilogue, but she does
not want to. She feels like the ending, her ending,
is honest, and then she questions she does that, those
ominous questions, what would the new ending be? What is
there to say? I should mention that. Miranda says something earlier,

(43:17):
when Carrie's walking down the sidewalk from the bakery, something
about endings. I can't remember what she said though, but
it was one of those moments where I was like
a profound, subtle, profundity, profound and then also off.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
But it's interesting to see Carrie take this criticism so personally.
I mean, I'm saying, but her entire career, she's written
memoirs that were actually personal. Sure, this would be like
your first fiction book for you to be so, you know,
but hurt about this feedback is it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Because the truth is this is also memoir. The issue
is that this is also a memoir. It's just got
a different little lens on it. But then gets interrupted
because Arlotte does her infamous scream, the Charlotte scream, and
that's when she tells the ladies that Anthony and Giuseppe
are engaged.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
And I think this is where we are going to
take a little break, all right, and we are back
picking up with oh, one of my favorite parts. We
have a seema and Adam in the shower.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
In the shower, and it's sexy time. Oral to be specifical,
it's oral sexy time, to be specific. She ain't going
down there, yeah she she ain't going down there.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
No.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I hate chower sex. It's so bad. But it is.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Definitely something that has it was romanticized. It's definitely better
in theory than it and in fantasy than it is
in reality.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
I hate it. Will I will co sign that there's
a point where she say what she said, I'm not
getting down on my knees in rushing water, girl. I
feel you. There's nothing fun about being wet sipping everywhere
like the I.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Don't even like showering with sex sex, be damned. I
prefer to shower alone. Yeah, it's something therapeutic about it.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
You're interrupting my energy.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Yeah, you're interrupting my energy. It's something I just like.
I just like to be through the water, listen to
the pit a pad and do what I gotta do
in there. Huh.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Are you a music in the shower person?

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Sometimes not not? You know what I used to be,
and that it was occasionally not really. I used to
also listen to podcasts. I used to joke with with
people and be like, oh my gosh, I take you
in the shower with me every Thursday. Like I listen
to podcasts. But a lot of the times, as I've
gotten older, I like to shower in silence and just
be in there. It's decompresses for me, Like I feel

(45:51):
so much better after I've showered so much, but I'm
talking about mentally so much better after I've showered because
I'm just in there just kind of. It is decompressing.
It's and and and sometimes my favorite thing in the shower. Yeah,
my favorite thing is when I get out of the
shower and I have ideas and I'm like, oh my god,
I gotta go write that down like right now before

(46:11):
I forget it. And so yeah, I don't. It depends
on if I listen to music. I don't have to.
I listen to music if I'm getting ready to go out,
how about that. Yeah, if I'm getting in the shower.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
If it's on. If it's on before I get in,
I won't turn it off. But I'm not putting music
on to get in the shower.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, because nothing's worse than a song coming on that
that you want to skip.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
And well, I'm trying to go over Sere. I'm already quiet.
Then I gotta yell over the water.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
It's just it's only I know that's very stressful for you.
Well now we uh, yeah, we're in the shower. And
Adam also once the shower ends, he invites Sema to
Thanksgiving to meet his sister, Fun Fun Fun, and then
the most romantic scene of the entire episode, he tells

(46:58):
that he's thankful for because he celebrates Thanksgiving on his
own times. He's not on his own time, he's not
a fan of the holiday. He's thankful for her, and
then he says those three words I love you, and
I thought our girl was gonna freeze up, but instead
she said I love you back to him.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Now you know, I was fully prepared for Sima to
just turn around and walk out. I think I was.
I was. My mind was set, and then she set
it back and I was like, there's no way that
show was about to fucking end like.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
So mad, I love like, I'm glad she was getting
a happy ending. I'm glad she deserves this, and so
our next scene, we are at Rock's school, Rocks High School,
for the performance, and Carrie enters the school and she
spots Anthony and congratulates him on his recent engagement. But

(47:52):
then Anthony reveals he's having second thoughts. Carry can certainly relate,
and Anthony mentions that ever since he and Zeppie moved
in together, he's been basically slaving away, like picking up
after him, cooking, cleaning, and he said, I don't know
if he wants me to marry him or mommy him.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
And I said, well.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Again, if I had a nickel for every time I heard.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Wow, Well that makes me wonder if his old roommate
was doing that for him because he was obsessed with him.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Maybe maybe so, But Anthony's not that that tight. Anthony's
running the Hot Fella's Bakery, which was also That's why
I'm like this show. They did not plan to end this.
We have too much emphasis on that damn bakery.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
For what Maybe it'll come into play in the finale.
Maybe that's why they'll get married. You will have a
Hot Fellow's wedding Denver, please, Anthony.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Anthony gonna have Eliza Minelli wedding for his first marriage
and then a Hot Fella's Bakery wedding for his second. Yes, Well,
from there we get Charlotte. She rolls up with Mark
Kasabian aka mister Andrews because his daughter is working on
the play. And now we're inside the theater getting ready

(49:12):
for the play, and Herbert is sulking. He's still obviously
upset about his loss in the election last week. And
they're there because you know, Henry is the male lead,
as we saw when they were rehearsing with the tap
dancing last week, and you know, herb was like, at
least someone in our family's winning. And you know he's
out in public for one of his first time probably

(49:34):
being like back out in the public, and everyone is
approaching him and commenting on the election results, including Principal Peterson,
like everyone's stopping by. I love the woman that was like, oh,
and don't worry about all that money. We don't make
it to your.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Capt I was like, what do you want to back?

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Like yes she does. She do a microaggression and so
oh for sure, for sure. What I thought was funny
in this scene though, is that the principal Peter in
spots Guseppe and He's like, God, damn, who is that?
And Anthony's like, who's that queen? What's that queen?

Speaker 2 (50:06):
On?

Speaker 1 (50:07):
And so yeah, then we get into rock performance, which
I thought, I'm going to keep harkening back to this.
We got a lot of music performances this season. I
don't know if that's a reflection of the writing being
kind of like, we don't know what to do to
fill this up, but we got a lot of music

(50:29):
this season, and we did not read We did not
need Rocks perform. We did not need this. This did
not carry the episode, Like I thought back to how
we did not need nor did we see Herbert's election night, right?
That was just fine. Elevator door closed, elevator door open.
Why do we need this scene from Rock? They're not

(50:51):
going to show Henry, right, especially they're not going to
show our diva Henry.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
You know what I'm about to say, we need as
a seven minute Netflix special?

Speaker 1 (50:59):
True, well, I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I think I agree with that in real time, I
would much rather take this than that. But I think
this just kind of played into you know, Charlotte seeing
her baby on stage. But it could have been fifteen seconds.
It could have. It could have.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
I mean, Rock's very talented, but I was like, y'all,
this is the this is the what is it called
the penultimate episode?

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Right? And we needed him solo. We needed Henry if
people were gonna do it, we didn't need Henry. I'm like,
where's the data?

Speaker 1 (51:28):
I'm so sorry, where's the diva?

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Where are the notes?

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Well? Also, while Rock is performing, Charlotte asked Carry to
take a photo, which is important because that's going to
come up later the next morning at a seven thirty am,
and Herbert is working from home. LTW tries to encourage him,
and he is in a big time rut, hung up
on his failure, and LTW says, you know, her last
ditch effort is you know, I have never been prouder

(51:59):
to be Herbert says, not helping go to work please now.
I actually as someone who cannot stand Herbert, and I
don't see it turning around or improving anytime soon. In
this scene, I actually really felt for him, I really

(52:22):
really felt for him. I thought that the way in
which he engaged LTW was so rude. Sometimes happens in relationships, though,
but I thought that what we were witnessing was a
reflection of Mother Wexley, because she's terrible, right, So if
you imagine growing up how she treated him when he lost,

(52:42):
imagine growing up in a household with that pressure, right,
And I can relate to that because my mom is
nothing like Mother Wexley, nor is my father. But I
grew up with a lot of pressure. Like I'm an
Earth sign, I'm the eldest. There is this this pressure
to I remember the emphasis on me being responsible as

(53:05):
a fourth grader, right, I was a latch key kid.
I had a cell phone, I had the house key,
So there was this emphasis on being responsible. And I
had a good childhood. So it's not like I was
robbed of my childhood, but I remember those feelings of
when I would just mess up because I'm ten years
old and I lost my house key. And now, you know,
I feel the weight of the world, right, not even

(53:27):
that my parents are necessarily putting the weight of the
world on me, but you know better, Like these are
things that followed me into adulthood.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
That right expectation, Yeah, because you know better that's all
form and to prevail and to succeed.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
You know, there are times where I, like I said,
I make mistakes. I've since kind of shed that because
now I'm all with a note back to the episode
right with LTW and Herbert, I'm human, right, that's my
thing now, Like I'm human, I am a deeply flawed
human being, just like everyone else. Who am I to
think that I've made mistakes? And I will continue to

(54:03):
make mistakes as long as you know this heart is
beating and there's there's air in these lungs, I'm going
to be making mistakes. That's part of life. You can't
escape them. They're unavoidable. But it took me so long
to get there because every time I would make a mistake,
it always you. You know that you knew better, you
knew better? What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I'm the same. I think. I think I've evolved to
apathy for a lot of things. I think I had
to care so much as a child. As that older,
I can care about so much less.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Oh, just at twelve o one am here in Cleveland.
That's so funny because it's nine.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
They're right, it's nine. It's nice. Crazy, We're going to
do this. I was concerning. I was like, is she
going to be tired? Like do you need to move it?
But there's only so many hours you can move it
up because the show doesn't come on until you know.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Yeah, And I'm doing just fine, and I'm going to
in fairness, I'm going to see if the bar is open.
Think it's closed, but there's a bar on the rooftop.
I want to listen. I'm at a convention. Okay, I
would like a little night cap, but.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
I just took this calm supplement and I'm like, got chilling.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Or maybe I'll just go to bed.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
It's time to no weird. No, you are in Cleveland.
You are in the hotel room.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
It's Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I mean the parties wherever you are. Correct. Yeah, I
think I think you should do it.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Well.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Yeah, I like a hotel bar.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
I don't know why, No, get I used to go
to hotel bars in La Random, Like if I didn't
want to like go out.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
I tell my single girls go to a hotel bar. YEA,
trust me.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I always get good conversation as a as a yapper,
I always had the time of my life. But yeah,
I just wanted to emphasize that because I know that
people watching the episode probably predicted that I was rolling
my eyes and judging Herbert in that scene. But I
actually really empathized with me because imagine being raised by
mother Wexley.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
So, then in our next scene, it's Charlotte and Harry.
They're in bed, and you know, she feels something hard
in her back. It turns out to be his iPad,
but she tells him that they are indeed going to Miranda's.
It just is what it is, right, because I mean
when they were having cocktails, when the girls were having cocktails,
Miranda turn to Charltte and I was like, you're making
your stuffing right, Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Yeah, girl, of course, why whatever would I not be?

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Then Harry reveals that when he initially got his diagnosis,
he just wanted to make it to Thanksgiving, which I
thought was a vulnerable moment. I didn't look at this
as manipulative. I looked at this as a vulnerable moment
where Harry's like, you know, because you know, he waved
off his diagnosis, it's no big deal. I'll be fine.
And I think this is very vulnerable when you get
I imagine when you get a diagnosis like that your

(56:47):
mind goes to a million in one different directions. So
I appreciated that. Also in this scene, we get Charlotte
examining this photo of Rock that Carrie took and sent her,
but we also see Charlotte delete the photo.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Good for her, you know. I think it's one thing
to wonder what if. I think it's one thing to
wonder what if, But you know, you have to not
cross into what should have been. So I think this
is a nice like, well, what.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Should have been is what is? Everything happens as it should.
What should have been is what is?

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yeah, And I love that she just she took, you know,
mental account for it. You know, she doesn't need to
keep the photo. Also, imagine, knowing Charlotte and how clumsy
she is, imagine if rockets seen that photo in the
iPad or so, you know what I'm saying, like that
would be.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
And I do love that she kind of dealt with
this privately.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah yea, and didn't carry into it. And right, we
also didn't get any lily this episode interesting.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
No, And so bringing back to the first time Rock
came out and there addressing Charlotte's reaction, My initial thought
was well, why is Charlotte having this when she has
a child who presents feminine you know what I mean, Like, like,
what's the big deal? I was like, you have Lily,
Like it's not like right, right.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Right, it's not like she has a son and then
Rock or you know, like yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
But then I was like, well, I guess again, as
a mother, you see the child who looks like you,
and you expect them to kind of grow up and
look like you, and you see that reflection. So that's
probably why it hit her harder.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
And listen, Rock gonna look like her regardless she Rock.
They gonna look like Charlotte, regardless whether they got a
bob wig on and heavy makeup or they walking around
there in their oversized hoodie and a messy you know whatever. Yeah, yeah,
well well Rock already Rock has a bob year round, right,

(58:45):
It's just that sometimes it.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Was it was like it was curled right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Normal Bob is giving very bad head, rolled out of
bed and threw on the giant hoodie and hearing supercuts
just or as Naomi Campbell says, walk and row. If
you know, you know that's an inside joke. So then
our next scene we see joined Miranda. They're having some dinner,
and that's when Brady comes in and shows a text

(59:10):
for MEA. Brady is upset and Mia confirmed that she
is coming to Thanksgiving, and like I don't, Brady is pissed, rightfully,
so Miranda. This is what irritates people a lot about Miranda.
I see her praises and I defend Miranda, but Miranda
does She's a perpetual line stepper. She acts first and

(59:31):
then thinks later. And this was a scene that even
irritated me because Miranda, what are you doing? What are
we doing here? You know? And so, yeah, he's pissed,
and Miranda did not think that Mia would say yes.
But we also learned that in this We also learned
in this scene that Miranda ended up going back to
the salon to apologize to Mia for the first visit,

(59:52):
and while there, she casually extended this invitation to Thanksgiving
after learning that Mia has basically been shunned by her
family like mother blocked her on Facebook and stuff and
et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
And meanwhile Brady knows none of.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
This important to note that it is important.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
To note like Brady is completely clueless as to the
first visit, the second visit MIA's life story.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
He none of it because they hooked up maybe once
or twice. He doesn't even know MIA's last name. So
Brady wants Miranda to revoke this invitation, but Miranda refuses.
She's ten toes down in this and we notice in
this scene that Brady ropes Joy into it, asking Joy
is she or is she not being e fing ridiculous. Also,

(01:00:39):
Socrates and Sappho are there and they're getting scared.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
I hate that, Like, don't bring nobody else into this, Like,
don't don't put my girl that was Patty in a
position to pat that I understand you're mad. But then also,
I mean when Miranda was kind of popping off talking
about this baby's happening whether or not you like it,
so we need to make the most of it. I
kind of saw where she was coming from a little bit, like,
you know, it is an entire child, and this is

(01:01:03):
going to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Be there's a responsibility there, Brady. If you're gonna lay
it low and spread it wide, you got to deal
with some of the consequences.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Right, It's not just half a baby and go. So,
I mean, I understood a little bit of where she
was coming from. She just went about it all wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Yeah, and Miranda ain't gonna have Neither one of them
are going to have a dead beat four son. That's
just not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
And she's not gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
And so we see Brady get upset, and like I said,
he goes into the bedroom and slams the door. And
the second time we've seen Miranda lose her appetite at
the dinner table.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Damn, you're right the same, right, No, there's there's there
There was there was something What did you say?

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
I said over some delicious food?

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
The second righted right, No, but there's something Brady said
talking about you can't invite like some of random girl
I got pregnant to Thanksgiving dinner. Something about that phrasing
stuck out to being. I was like, damn, not some
random girl Thanksgiving. That's who she is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I just thought to remarvelous this point. Earlier in our episode,
Brady received the discipline that he needed. What was that
season one when he was knocking down his girlfriend random
Sea's house. Remember we talked about this at nauseum when
we were on Twitter spaces like it was so disreconing
the girl in now Holland the headboard knocking. I'm gonna

(01:02:23):
even folk, I'm gonna shut up. Our next thing, we
get Carrie and Sema. This is the second episode we
get with them having drinks at the bottom. This is
they're having drinks and they're talking about Thanksgiving plans, and
Sema mentions that she won't be there because you know,
she's gonna be with Adam's vegan, gluten free family, which

(01:02:45):
I'm like, who girl, You're making one hell of a
concession Tofu and toy over a juicy drumstick. And Carrie
asked her flat out, are you determined to make this
lovely invite somehow a bad thing? Which I was like, Seema,
check yourself, because again that script, Seema's so used to
being disappointed that she's anticipating disappointment. She is looking for

(01:03:07):
the mirror moment when she can look at herself and say,
I told you so. I told her. But it doesn't
seem like it's going to be happening anytime soon, because
Adam is invested and he likes that girl.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
And it seems like she's doing some work on her
own too.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Yeah, she is, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
She's so regulating a little bit, especially when.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
She has friends like Carrie calling it out. Girl, are
you determined to make this lovely thing a bad thing?
Because that's what it's sounding like. But then Seema reveals
that she got a call from the people who own
the apartment under carry and they want to know if
she's interested in buying it because the lease is up.
We learned that Duncan did not renew, and they want

(01:03:43):
to check with Carrie before they put it on the
market for resale because it would be more desirable to
own the entire property. What did you think about this?
What did you think about the news that Duncan did
not renew? I thought that was interesting, good, good, But
also I was like, yeah, I love it for Carrie's story,

(01:04:03):
Like I too happy that I'm happy too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
You know, she just experienced this part of her fun
in freedom, whatever she was having with Duncan, you know,
And she may never.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
See Duncan again, and that's not a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
And it prevents her what she normally does. Right. Yeah,
So I wasn't I wasn't mad.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
I was dad, And though I'm not going to evenfront
really I did. It was something I don't know. It's sobering,
Like Carrie even Gaso.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
And she had a moment she was like, how do
I feel about this?

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
She was disappointed.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Yeah, well, Carrie, as we were just mentioning in the scene,
she experiences a lot of upsetting emotions. She doesn't know
if it's because she was horroring the idea that Duncan
would come back, or if it's because Sema is saying
that she should resell. Carrie's place is too big. She
openly admits that it's too big for one person, but

(01:04:58):
she bought it with a plan, and that plan is
no longer happening right. Also, she's afraid to go to
Lassett's place because she thinks it might make her sad
to be back in her old place. And she asked Seema,
like what if I miss it? And Seema's rattling off
all of the things wrong with it, and Carrie's like, yeah,
none of that matters. The wood popping up, paint chipping.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Well, let me tell you the story. I went back
to my old loft, maybe like three weeks ago, the
one where party isn't Yes, yes, because you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
What the hell were you doing back there?

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Well, let me tell you, well, I wait, this is
two part, so it gets even better, gets even better. So,
you know, we was just been looking at stuff around
just to you know, freshen up the place and that building.
You know, they are like really good loft units, right, Yeah.
So I was just looking at the website and I
saw that my old unit was available, and I was like, huh,
this is available, and there's some other ones in the
building that I wanted to see, and so we were like,

(01:05:56):
let's just go. So I went back and like, my
old manager's there, and my old dorm there, Like everybody's
still there. So it's like a really nice family reunion,
be all hugged and it was a really good time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
So we get up to my old unit, you know,
I was in that unit for years, and opened the
door and it looks almost the exact same. Oh my god,
like like they added a wall where I because you know,
when I was there, I added like my own divider
for that downstairs part to kind of step there because
it was so big. But they added like a more

(01:06:28):
permanent door off of my suggestion, obviously, And the stairs
were the same, the kitchen was the same, the terrace
was the same, Like everything was the exact same, and
it was like this really weird rush of like, huh,
I loved this place, but I realized I had no
desire to be back there, right. You know, it was available,
you know, there was a great price point, like I

(01:06:50):
could have just settled right back in, because it's essentially
everything that we're kind of looking for now. It's just
you know, I lived there before, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
So, and I imagine it's one of those things where
it can make you sad because it reminds you there's
memories trapped in those walls, and there's a lot of
growing that happens when you have a place. There's a
lot of celebrations, there's a lot of tears, there's a
lot of disappointments, Like all I imagine all of that
meeting you at the front door or as you're even
like touring the place, right, Just there's certain things.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Yeah, Yeah, it was very nostalgic. It was like, oh,
like this is like a nice, weirdly empty museum of
a small part of my life. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
So we looked at some other units, and you know,
left of it just wasn't going to work out. But
this is even better because I kid you not, two
nights ago, Johntay sends me a TikTok and it's some
guy living in that same unit talking about like, look
at my views downtown I live in inside out. How
that wall opens up? Yeah, and it's literally my old

(01:07:52):
I mean this was two days ago. I kid you not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
It's off the market now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
So somebody moved in. I was like, oh, good him.
I can I never want to go back there, but is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
There a solo? I can imagine all that space solo?
But I take it if offered here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
I'm like, I hope he just moved in, because you're
gonna need I'm like redecorating his place in my mind,
and like, no, if this needs to go over here,
you need to do that. And so of course, so
it's interesting having that well I am who I am.
It was interesting having that thought process and then watching
this episode, which we'll get into and I think, which
actually we're about.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
I was about to say, we're about to round it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Yeah, okay, we'll get into it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
I should mention. In this scene with Seaman and Carrie,
Sema assures Carrie that that's not what she's implying. Like
whatever Carrie's projections are is not what she's applying, implying
she was just asking a business question. Carrie respects that
and they leave it there. So then our next scene
we get Carrie walking up the steps to her old place.
And it's quite magical, right, We're getting close ups of

(01:08:52):
the steps and her shoes. She's walking up to her
old place and the door is propped open. She opens
door and to her and she's greeted with one hell
of a surprise, a black man named Ezekiel. You can
tell that the wall is like drywall, like it's being
painted like a little temp And her apartment has been

(01:09:13):
divided into two. And I have in my notes this
is a clear recession indicator. Let's set what are you
doing with the apartment? Carrie's apartment was not that big
to be divided into two. Yeah, Hezekiel. Kerry does not
recognize the place at all. It is not the apartment
that she left. Even she says, I feel like I'm

(01:09:35):
in Alice in Wonderland, like she's exploring. Li Sutt mentions
that oh, Ezekiel got the kitchen, I got the closet.
But I'm thinking to myself, Carrie only got one bathroom, right,
but it's that hallway. Did let's set up a door. Yeah,
it's that hallway, Like I guess they both meet at
the in the bathroom. Small and it's old. But I'm
just like Carrie's apartment was that was not designed to

(01:09:57):
be a two person apartment, and I thought, I don't
want to get too so up the code. I don't
want oh, but yeah, I just thought about it because Okay,
I just answered my own question because I was about
to say les set apartment that she was originally in
looked bigger than Carrie's on the first floor, but the
gay guys came back and they booted her out. Because
I was like, let's set. You could have just moved
him into there. Her apartment on that apartment on the

(01:10:18):
floor first floor was bigger than Carrie's, but I forgot
that the gays had moved back and told her she
had to go, and then that's and Carrie was like,
you can have my place.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
So seeing Carrie look around, like, girl, what is this
like what it's ugly? That's looking at the guy's TikTok,
I was like, this is ugly. What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Carrie's apartment is ugly. I didn't. I didn't like it.
I also don't like people that don't speak. I don't
know if that's just like when Carrie opened Ezekiel's door
and like he got company and didn't nobody say nothing.
I mean, granted Carrie could have spoken as well, but
didn't nobody say nothing. I was like, I don't know,
I always speak, especially when I'm in close quarters. I
don't know who what I would say, Hey, how you doing?

(01:10:58):
I don't know. But yeah, I thought this was ugly.
I felt disappointed for Carrie, but also I felt good
for her because.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Too, she realized, you know, I'm a little too grown
for this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Yeah, you can't walk it back. You can't walk it back.
And so but last mentions that it's not about the rent.
She just hates living alone, which that I cannot relate to.
That I cannot relate to, sister, really.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
I mean, I know a few people like that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
That I cannot. I'm not about to I live in
a one bedroom apartment now, and I'm not about to
bust that bitch down down the middle to bring someone
else in because quote unquote hate living alone. I actually
prefer it. I know that my meals are still going
to be in the refrigerator, my juice is going to
be untouched. I know everything is going to be right
where I left it, with no riff raft. I don't
have to keep up with weird work schedules or nothing.

(01:11:46):
Used to piss me off more when I had roommates.
Then coming home and it's a living room with company,
it's like I don't want to and grunt it. It didn't
happen all the time, but you know, sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
You just don't feel like dealing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Yeah, and I for I think at this age, I
think the last time, the last time I had roommates,
I was twenty seven. I believe that's the last time
I ever had roommates. And I've been alone ever since.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Yeah, I had them in college, but I didn't know
off campus and then I had.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
It's such a mad thing. What do you mean you didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Yeah, well, you know in college you can get apartments,
like well, here's the thing. So like in my friend group,
I was one of but two guys and a bunch
of girls. So the girls got four bedrooms and the
two guys got a place. And then I was kind
of like sol and I still wanted to live near
my friend. So I had to take a four bedroom
next door with you know, three other people.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
You didn't get to know no or there was just
no interest or were were you all just like passing
ships in the night.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
We were just oh yeah, yeah, we were just like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
You just handled your responsibilities and keep the kitchen clean,
the common areas cleaned.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
And I was ever there, so gotcha really And they
were three of the like that one year and so
they all knew each other.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Yeah, I was like that one year in underground. I
was never home.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
I was never there, and they all know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Each other somebody else's home.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Tall white guys, and you know, I was a little
skinny gay kid, and I just it just wasn't gonna
happen in My bedroom was right off the front door,
so I would just come in and go in and
and yeah, yeah, you know I had everything in there me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Yeah, I had everything, and everything I got tired of.
One of my roommates was using my soap and so
this was college stuff, you know. We was we was
making turning uh, turning water into wine. You know, squeezing
a dollar out of a nickel, but don't squeeze this.
This ain't communal body wash.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Each bedroom had a bathroom talking about bathroom in there too,
so I had no no reason to leave.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
We were in four bathrooms with two bathrooms.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
It was four bedroom, four bathroom I had. And the
rooms were tiny, they were tight, but they were enough.
Like I love my fridge with a toaster oven on
top of it and had my TV, my Apple te like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Well, when I moved, I ended up moving to a
different housing complex. And then I had my own vanity
and my own toilet and my own shower, but they
were all three separate, so like the vanity was out
in the open. There was a separate door just with
the toilet, and then a separate door just with the shower.
Like it wasn't all like I was in a towel

(01:14:24):
in a robe constantly you can walk from one to
the other type thing. So well, to wrap.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
This up, let's live with men.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Yeah, Well, Lysette ends up asking Carrie if she's afraid
living in that big house all alone, and Carrie's like, no,
I have my alarm systems. I'm good. And Lisette's like, well,
I got Ezekiel's guns. Ezekiel got a few guns and
that's that. And then we get Carrie returning to the

(01:14:54):
grammar Sy house, and she looks a little sad. She
looks a little sad. She goes in and she turns
off the alarm. I noticed that the alarm is now
just four digits. It's not Carrie Loves Aiden or whatever
the hell it is. Yeah, she typed in like four digits.
And she goes upstairs and begins writing her epilog. And
I was like, I was a little lost with this
because you know, we've been following this third person novel.

(01:15:18):
This part I didn't get. So if any of you
all have an interpretation from Carrie's epilog, let us know
speakpipe dot com slash. We're just like that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
And yeah, I mean I think the only the only
thing I got is that she realizes, damn, this is
the sad ending she needs.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Yeah, but like I said, it's been weaving. It's always
like so and So's cousin James is coming to visit,
and I'm like, is she just pulling stuff? But everything
has a meaning?

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Though? Well, I like, I think as of you, I
think now we know, like the jig is up right,
we know that the memo is her. So now it's
like you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
You think she's just doing whatever just to appease her editor.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
Well, I think she realized that as much as it
is a story, this memoir. So while she thought the
ending was fine, that it wasn't sad, I think she's
feeling sad. And so she's like, damn, this is kind
of sad. Let me give these girls something to hope for.
Give them some classic Harry Bradshaw. So she, you know,
she like, we got the invitation for the party and
it's the guy. So what if you know she there

(01:16:14):
was some hope. She's just feeling Yeah, she needed some
hope for herself in that moment.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Yes, yes, she's springboarding that hope for herself. And then
you know, this episode ends with a damn Cleo Soul
song and I almost lost it because Leo Souls music particularly.
Let me tell you all something, if you have not
gotten into Cleo Soul's catalog as soon as this episode ends,
you need to explore it her music. One of my

(01:16:40):
friends when I was in a very dark place like
I still my favorite album from her is an album
titled Mother. It is No Skips, Like just such a
beautiful voice, beautiful messaging. It's really healing music like Cleo Souls.
I just I love her. I got a chance to
see her live a few months. Yes, I went to
the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
I missed the ball. Everybody. Oh my god, here's like
I didn't even really want to go. And then I
saw everybody there. I was like, I got often, but
I got.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
It a religious experience. Yeah, because she's one of those
artists that don't come over here like that, you know,
like it just it was. It was so good. And yeah,
so for them to end, I was like, oh my god,
so good. And so that concludes season three, episode eleven.
Then for how do you rate this episode, I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Give it a seven. But one thing I do want
to say.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
I was about to say, dial it back. It looked
like you're about to dial it back.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
No no, no, no, no no. I just had dawned on
me when I was watching her and her apartment and
whatever what if? And this is kind of a prediction,
but like in the perfect World, Lazette moves into Duncan's
apartment downstairs.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Oh at the Grammarcy House.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Yes, yes, think about that. It can be two women
and she can have a little mentor mentee situation and
they won't feel so lonely.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
I don't know if I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
I would like it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Well, set is still and.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Then we can do a spin and then we can
do a spin off of this that, and then carry
can pop in from time to time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
I would not mind the spin off. This also pisses
me off that we did not get Professor Morning Show
in this season. Like, it just pisses me she left.
I know y'all want me to let it go, but
she those last few episodes of season two with Naya
in the direction of her character, it just was turning.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Out to be you know what and you know And
another thing I should have said it earlier when I
was talking about how we got the announcement and then
it took some time to process. What took so long
is like we kind of got cheated out of the
long grieving process of knowing that the show is coming
to an end. Like normally, you know, you either get
through a season and you're optimistic for another season and

(01:18:58):
then you don't get it, or you to go into
the season knowing it's the final season, so you kind
of get that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Well, that's what pisses me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Oh, by the way, two more episodes left.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
That's what pisses me off because the promo tour could
have been Chef's Kiss the Final and just like that,
as returning for a third and final season, like I
felt like we should we should have known that. That's
what let's That's what makes me think that, like, this
was not pre planned.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
This.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
I don't care what they say or how they slice it.
I just don't think this was pre planned.

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
I don't I rate this episode. I give it. You
gave it a six seven, you gave it a seven.
I give it a six.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
I could give it a six too. It was neither
here nor there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
So this is my final time asking you this for
in just like that, what are your predictions for next week?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Well, again, I would like to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Move in for the series finale, have that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
I do think Elsie, you was gonna just kind of
shoot Marion off and she's going to focus on Herbert,
and I think they're gonna, you know, just be as
solid as they are. I think that we're gonna find
out it's not Brady's baby.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
I think that's I think that as well. I think
it's not going to be Brady's baby.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
Yeah, yeah, I'll probably find it at the table and
to be something. Mia says, that's messy, something stupid. Yeah,
flip it. What else? I think that Carrie will be okay.
I think she'll stay in the house. I think she'll

(01:20:38):
be okay. I think Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
I just was gonna say, because where to go? It's
nowhere to go? Is our girl, and I'm going to
need something substantive to put a bowl on this on
on this franchise, Carrie our girl. No, I don't need
her to be necessarily in love with the man. I mean,

(01:21:04):
I like when Carrie leans into I mean, this makes
me think of Insecure. How pissed I was. I hated
that series finale when Lisa got back with Lawrence. I
felt that that was such a step back for a
woman in her mid thirties to go back to an
X and now but play step mother like you got
your whole the world is your oyster? What are you doing? Girl?

(01:21:26):
So I don't I don't need Carrie to be in
love with the man. I just need it to be
substantive and for our girl to end on a high note.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Well, I'm not saying be in love, but I'm saying,
like there's a new like I kind of she ended
the epilogue like there's a new possibility, like a new I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Mean in fairness, I liked the way that the last
episode ended, when she's in the backyard in the garden
and we get that final shot, you know what, something
like that, you know what? You know, it's something beautiful
where I can where my mind can wonder, and my
girl looks happy and optimistic about the future. I know
I'm gonna cry. I know I'm gonna cry when this ends.

(01:22:03):
I just feel because it's there's nothing to look forward
to with these characters.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Like I don't even know, Like I don't even know.
I think that, uh, I don't think Anthony and You're
going to get married. I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
I think they are.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Do you think so.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
We're not going to see it, But I think that
they are. I don't. I don't. I don't foresee that
engagement being interrupted in the series finale. I think they're
going to get married. I think, who did you comment
on first? What did you say first? Because we're just
gonna We're gonna LTW and melt So, LTW and Marion.

(01:22:40):
They have so much potential with that story. I really
can't predict how they're going to wrap that up. And
they have a responsibility to wrap it up because they've
dangled it like a carrot in front of our faces
for like half of the season. Really, so there you
have to put emphasis on wrapping that up. You can't
leave LTW and Marion open ended. You can't think they'll
just chop it off. That's gonna annoy me. I want

(01:23:02):
to see the premiere of the Damn documentary, like the
premiere party. I want to see Michelle Obama. I want
to see She's got It. There's gotta be a scene
that jumps out that wraps that up. You can't leave
that open.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
I think somebody said, I think it goes on Twitter.
They're like, they want Carrie and her memoir to go
on a book tour to London, bring the girls, go
see Duncan and end up at Samantha. Yes, and it's
afore them at the table and it fades to black.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
That's how you do. You know what's so crazy? This
show wouldn't even show Samantha's face, would be the back
of her head because it's not really Kim control.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
They would have to bring him in.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Kim ain't coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
But if you want to if you want to close,
close a series, pair with a pair. Whatever she wants. Yeah,
I don't let her feel let her film it separately.
Put her in the chair, her chairs and get out
of there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
And they put three standings the girls.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Yes, yes, compet together and just do what needs to
be done.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
That that would be sweet, That would be sweet. I
do want to see how Carrie is going to end
this book. This better not be the last time, like what,
oh my gosh, what is the final voice over gonna say?
Oh my gosh, we can go a million in one
different directions. I don't know what. We haven't been doing
much with Charlotte for the past like four episodes. I
don't know what's going like Charlotte's her birthday party, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Charlotte, I don't. She just kind of felt like a
vehicle for others.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
For everybody else, connective tissue, if you will, for everybody
bury that. I also read that this didn't feel organic
because of Kristin Davis's response to the announcement, almost like
she was caught off guard. I didn't see her.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
It was kind of it was kind of brief. It
was kind of like almost like she was cut off
caught off guard to prepare this.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Yeah, I think Seemen will be just like it felt
like they put a bowl on that storyline this episode
with Sema and Adam. Yeah, who else do we.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Have to do happily ever after?

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
I feel like you said someone else though as well. Yes,
Brady ain't gonna be the baby mama. I do have
a spoiler for next episode. If you want to know, Oh,
let's do it. Tell me there's something said. I guess
Miranda says that Joy is it now. She's not coming
to Thanksgiving dinner because she doesn't want to be wrapped
up in family drama. So I don't know what if

(01:25:30):
that's going to happen or what's going to become of that.
I think she and joy will be just fine. I
don't imagine the breaking up. I'm gonna be so mad
if they give Miranda the ship end of the stick
for the series finale, because I need her just like
I want Seema to win, I want Miranda to win
and get her happy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
I mean, I think I think Joyce is going to
set her boundaries. Yeah, which is fair with you, but
I can't. I can do alcoholism, I cannot do.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Family drama and Brady roping me in. Do we cover everyone?
Do we do every? We did Carrie, Sema, Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Lt W, Miranda and Miranda and.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Anthony and Joseeppe. You said you don't think they're going
to get up there, so I guess we did everyone. Yeah? Whoao?

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Well our last episode, we have too more of the
other no, I mean, like of the series. I know
we have two more.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Well, all right, well you know what to do.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Speak next week flash.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
We're just like that. And I want to encourage everyone.
If you have not left us to speak pipe, you
don't have to do it for the finale. But because
Denver and I are giving you all a bonus episode.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
We'll have a speak pipe party.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Let's do a speak pipe party everyone, Well, everyone will
will after the finale. I'm sure we'll be weighing in
and that's what we'll talk about. But yeah, this is it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Yeah, I know it feels so weird because we didn't
have time to prepare. Man, it feels so weird.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
No, and it's over. It's over. Well, yeah, seasons changed
and and so do contracts and renewals. So I would
love to let's see if I'm a d M S
JP and see if she wants to come on.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Yeah, in the next two weeks, I will, or maybe
I'll see if it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
We want to get like a cast member just for
ships and giggles. Let's see that I got enough connections.
Let's see if I can pull some strings.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
You do too, Yeah, I'll pull my.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
Muscle because we almost had someone last season.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Remember I remember you saying that, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
We almost had something. Well you knew too. We both
were trying to get her, yeah, yeah, and it just
didn't happen. Do you want to tell them on our
last episode who it was?

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Yes, yeah, I'll.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Tell them on the last All right, y'all will that
concludes season three, episode eleven, and we will see you
next week for the Endust like that series finale.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Damn, I'm me in Mexico, so just hands up, but
I will be doing the show.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
I know I'm gonna be back in Lost Chilas or
as Jamie Lee Curtis says, Los Angeles. I said I'm
gonna start that way. I'm gonna start saying that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
Way to the people by Girl's Angelas.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
That's how it's pronounce

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