August 22, 2025 • 56 mins
Denver and Shar send And Just Like That… off in their signature style—recapping the Season 3 finale and the series as a whole: what worked, what wobbled, and what they'll actually miss.
They revisit the biggest swings, the friendships that held, the edits that didn’t, and the endings they'd write if the pen were in their hands.
From ratings to rage to real gratitude, the conversation lands here: if this is goodbye, it’s a soft one—“until we meet again.”👇
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They revisit the biggest swings, the friendships that held, the edits that didn’t, and the endings they'd write if the pen were in their hands.
From ratings to rage to real gratitude, the conversation lands here: if this is goodbye, it’s a soft one—“until we meet again.”👇
🎧 Full podcast episode streaming now
📱 Denver: @just.denver (IG) | Shar: @SharSaysSo (Everywhere)
📺 Subscribe for more recaps—wherever we pop up next#AndJustLikeThat #AJLT #SeriesFinale #SexAndTheCity #CarrieBradshaw #PodcastRecap #WJLT
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, hey, it's Shar, this is Denver, and we're just
like that. Welcome to the unofficial recap podcast for Max's
original series. And just like that, we're so excited Denver.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So you're ready, I'm ready, all right.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
So let's get things started, all right, and just like that,
it is time to say goodbye. This is our bonus
episode from and just like that season three, I mean,
I guess then, just like that series finale, this is
our We gave them a bonus last season, which was
Room for Dessert after Carrie's dinner party. And so now
(00:42):
there is a bonus episode just to you know, recap
on the on the series, I would say, the season,
the season and the series and to hear what you
all have to say. So thanks for joining us for
this very special episode of We're just like That with
Denver and Shar.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yes, yes, I'm sad ready, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It is, but you know here we are here, we
are so Denver. But this is the thing that we
left everybody on the edge of their seats for. And
I'll let you go first. What was your rating on
the series finale of in Just Like That and why
did you rate it? What you rated it?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
All right? So we're just going to talk about the
finale itself, right now, correct, We're going to.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Talk about the finale and then talk about the series.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Okay, do stick on my teeth? No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I think I have something on my laptop. So I'm like,
it just looks like okay, but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Sorry, sorry, sorry, that's okay. And that's okay, that's okay.
So the series finale episode, after it's all said and done,
I say, I give it a solid six and a half.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
For the wait for this, for the series finale, the.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Episode, we're just that just that episode.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Wow, okay?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Why Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So I had it. I had it like a seven, right,
I did have it at a seven. Then the longer
I sat with it, the more I realized it was
just such a deservice to just the legacy and the fans.
And there was a shit scene. And I think that
ship scene really just kind of knocked it down for me, honestly, Like,
(02:23):
I know it sounds crazy and it might sound petty,
but I genuinely believe that they deserved better.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
No, I agree. I'm actually shocked that you rated it
what you rated it, because I gave it a four
point five ooh, I did. And here's the thing. The
it was, I really sat with it and I had
I gave it time to like marinate on my spirit
and yeah, I mean just echoing kind of what you said,
like what a way to send off these beloved characters.
(02:55):
You know, I talked to friends about it. People want
to know, of course, what I thought about the finale,
and it's like, the more, like I said, the more
it marinated, the more I really sat with it, the
more conversations I had about it. It was just such
a dramatic letdown to send these beloved characters, characters off
with And so it gets one of the lowest ratings
(03:17):
for me because aside from it being the finale, I
think it was, it wasn't that it wasn't that great
of an episode for me.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Right right, Yeah, right, I mean I think that. I mean,
in terms of just the episode, how I was written everything,
I'm definitely with you, like it definitely would have been
I think lower. I think that I gave it a
little more just because I wanted I did want it
to continue. Yeah, I mean there were some episodes, treats,
episodes I wanted them to end. I was like, I'm
sick of watching this shit. But this episode, like I wanted,
(03:47):
I wanted it to keep going, like I wanted you
know what I mean, Like I still wanted more. Yeah,
I wasn't turned off per se. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well there you have it. Those are our ratings on
on the finale. Now, Denver, how would you rate this
series as a whole on a scale from one to ten?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay, And I gave it some thought too, and I
had to go back and revisit one, two, and three,
not the entire seasons, but I just kind of skimmed
just at you know, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So I
went ahead and I gave each season a rating because
I feel like that would be a more fair way
to kind of rate the entire series as a whole.
(04:26):
So I gave season one to six and I and
I say that in looking back at it, just because
they did way too much. I feel like they played.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
It replacements and face yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. In the moment,
I probably would have given it like a seven and
a half, but in retrospect about a six. Season two
I gave a seven just because it was okay, Like
when I think about you know, the beginning of the end,
you know, minus you know JDS. It was solid, it
(04:59):
was fair. And then season three I gave a seven
and a half. Even though that finale episode was terrible,
I think it was my favorite season, and really that
it was. I think that as the writing. I'm sorry.
As the show went on again, say for the finale,
we were getting to a place. I think had the
series not ended, had they not been forced to turn
(05:20):
whatever that was into a finale, I think we would
have gotten a stronger ending. Yeah, And I think we
would have gotten a stronger series. Yeah. So averaging all
that out, it's a six point eight three three three
three three three three three three. Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So I didn't break it down as by season. I
broke it down by just looking at much like yourself,
I looked at recaps, you know on YouTube, like you know,
little synopsis, because there are things I forgot, And yes,
for all of the criticism that I've given the show,
I still enjoyed it. So I gave the entire series
an eight. And I'm going to tell you why. I
know someone scrunched up their face when I just said.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
That, because I did internally it's so new.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I gave it an eight because I overall enjoyed it
for what it was. And what I mean when I
say that is I enjoyed it even in all of
the sloppiness and the chaos and the questionable writing and
some of those dead end storylines. I think that it's
a true reflection of how life can be right Samantha moving,
(06:21):
you know, and not being involved in this friend circle anymore.
I think it shows like it to me, it reflected
like how people can come and go beyond Samantha, Like
you will get new friends, you will lose friends along
the way, and it's one of those things that is
like not to get to, you know, poetic, but it's
like just as sure as the sun rises and falls,
(06:43):
you know, we will will rises and sets. Rather we
still move forward. We have no choice but to keep
moving forward. The days will become long, the weeks will
become short, the years will become like you know what
I'm saying, like when you look back. And so it
got me reflecting on like a few weeks ago, I
was talking to one of my friends and this is
(07:06):
just a little side quest, but you all know how
Denver and I get down and it's one of those
things where I looked at a significant portion of my
adulthood and how much I invest in or invested. I'm
using past tense in people, in places and things like that. No, no, no,
not in a shady way. I'm not using past tents
in a shady girl. I'm just this is I'm in
(07:28):
a new era in my life right now. And so
the point that I'm trying to make is my friend
gave me the advice and I was like, yes, you know,
I've been, of course influenced by like Oprah and Gale,
Beyonce and Kelly. You know, you meet wonderful people and
you think, like for me, I'm someone that romanticized, like
oh on my sixtieth birthday, Like I can visualize it, right,
(07:49):
But that's not always the case. And so my friend
challenged me to reframe that because you may not be there,
and I'm using this metaphorically. You may not be there,
but someone will be there. And so that's I think
that's my approach, and it it and it it. I
feel like it works in protecting me and my feelings
(08:11):
just as I move forward. Like it's like, and that's
not to say that I don't invest in things anymore.
But I look at it in relation tying it to
these characters. You have your investments, people have their investments,
but sometimes life happens. People will die, people will get sick,
people like families change. And I think that's why I
put a button on the show as like an eight, because,
(08:33):
like I said, if you squint through all of the
riff raff and the nonsense, life was still happening to
these characters. And I think it's a beautiful reflection that
we don't see on TV frequently. We don't see it
a lot with mature women and mature.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
People, and and to your point, I think that's exactly
what they set out to do.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You know, I think that was the entire purpose. So yeah,
I think I thought it.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Was a beautiful depiction of it. I thought it was
a beautiful depiction of it. Like Charlotte, I mean, Carrie,
Charlotte and Miranda can still be best friends and they
can also acquire new friends along the way, and that's
not a threat to their foundation. Like I just, yeah,
we don't see this depicted a lot maybe in films,
in certain films, but as far as scripted television series,
(09:16):
we don't see and I find a beauty in that
as I keep going in life, and it's freed me
from from so much because I mean, you know, I
mean like I feel like the girl I was even
two years ago no longer exists. And I don't know
if it's a reflection of the current political climate or
what's going on like or age.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But I just I don't know. I think it's a
combination life. I think it's life.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, I don't. I don't have the energy to be
sitting up here twiddling my thumbs and wringing my hands
because it's gonna be what it's gonna be. It's gonna
be what it's gonna be. So okay, are you ready
to get into speak pipes? We have eight speek pips
and then we'll we'll wrap this thing up.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So the first speak pipe comes from there. I'm I'm
playing them in order in which they came in. The
first one is from Marvelous. I should mention that I
have not listened to these. We have three from re Marvelous,
and you know I said only two. You know, I
said only two, but we have.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Three from more and I think you said no more
than three. Would try to capit it to try.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Okay, fair, but I should mention I should mention Marvelous
will start this this show and end this show because
in between there, like I said, I'm playing them in
order in which they came in. So Marvelous was the
first person and the last person to leave a message.
So let's listen to what he had to say.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Hi, Denvers is back. I've been putting off watching the
finale because I have not wanted it all to end,
So this will be in regards to episode number eleven.
Miranda was so inappropriate for inviting me over number one.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I don't think that's his baby.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
The girl with the double libra of it all. She
just seems like the type to get around, Okay, Charlotte,
I think was very important because it's very easy to
just do another queer kids storyline, but to have the
non binary of it all, the beautiful of the duality,
handsome and pretty both things. However, Rocky Po the vocals
(11:30):
were severely lacking, and we were severely missing our little
sister Henry because you really know that she wanted to
be Millie okay, and she would have did a damn
good job, just like I wanted to be back in
two thousand and six too. Okay, Liz it honey. Someone
lied to Lisette and told her that she was fly,
hot and sexy and she is none of those things.
(11:51):
She is nothing of the sort. She's a tacky bitch.
She really thinks she's carried two point oz. And she
fucked up that apartment. I got the closet girl and
showed what for it because you can't dress. Okay, what
a way to close out that apartment storyline. I'm sad
that it turned into what it was, but Carrie was right.
Sometimes you can't go home. Now, guys, it is time
(12:15):
for me to get into episode at number twelve, the
finalitey of it all. I have not heard good things,
so you'll be hearing from me real soon.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Love you both, Thank you, marvelous. And word to Tiffany Pollard.
That was a reference to she thinks she's.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Fly and you know, no, I wasn't mad at Lezate.
Actually I think I was.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Mad at what she did to the apartment, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, but she's I was gonna say, gen Z. You
know they don't have any sense anyway.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Now, I sound like the writers, which someone puted out
that the writers don't like queer and trans people either.
If you really squint, every character that they write that's
queer and trance is either an extreme stereotype excuse me,
or so rude and ridiculed list And I was like, wow,
I didn't even I don't really even really clock that.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Well. I don't know where to go from there. No,
I liked Lisette. I liked her little like I don't
know that almost like a reflection. But it was almost
like looking into Carrie's past a little bit. Yeah, you know,
I wouldn't be mad had to spin off which was that. Yeah,
(13:28):
I mean, had she not fucked up that apartment, I
would like I would have loved to have seen some
type of new life, you know what I mean, Like,
if we're not gonna do these girls, I would like
Carrie two point zero. And I know they tried with
the Carrie Diaries on the c W a back when,
but that's just why.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I watched that. But the story was different because Carrie
was raised by a single father in that episode. Shout
out to Anna Sophia rob She's one of my favorite
TV actresses. No really, yeah, I loved her little fires
everywhere too, beautiful girl.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yes, you bodied that. Yeah, as far as what she wore,
I don't really remember. I don't think any of it
was memorable.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, none of it was memorable to me. I mean
I do. I can't acknowledge, you know, the duality with Rock.
But also Rock was a very specific character who requested,
even in Finding the Beauty in Duality, requested that no
pictures on with the feminine lens, with the hyper feminine
lens were taken of them, And so you know, that's
(14:23):
got to be respected, and I totally agree. I feel
like if they were going to give us so much
of Henry during Charlotte's birthday party, every time we saw
them kids, Henry should because we didn't even see the
LTW and Herbert's other children. But I feel like we
should have at least had more interactions with Henry. If
they gonna give him the star of the show, make
(14:44):
him the star of the show.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, and the birthday party and.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
The birthday party, thank you, we marvelous. I can't wait
to hear what you gotta say about the finale. Okay,
and so our next two these came both in a row.
It's from Karsh, I believe, So do you want to
listen to. Yeah, let's listen to part one and comment
(15:08):
and then listen to part two in comment instead of
finals together. Okay, here's Carsh part one.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Hello Shar, Hello Denver, big fan of the show here.
I really don't know what to make of that final
episode besides just how bad it was overall, it really
felt like they had cobbled together scenes from throughout the
entire season and tried to make them work in this finale.
I know that they had to rush and do some
(15:37):
more editing and posts after the cancelation, because that little
part at the very end credits with the closing of
Sex and the City theme song as well as the
closing Sex and the City credits song just felt tacked
on a little bit disrespectful, like, Hey, this is how
good we could have had it, but instead you got this.
(15:59):
Throughout that an entire final episode, there was piss, there
was shit. There were those disrespectful pound puppies that Mia
brought to Miranda's apartments. The girls really didn't spend that
much time together, like just the three of them, and
this sort of weirdly disjointed Thanksgiving celebration LTW and Marion
(16:23):
that had no real resolution. I mean, it really just
was a horrible send off, not just for the season,
but really for the franchise. And it was kind of,
you know, a chocolate cream pot to the face to
the entire fandom. They need to give us time to
miss these women if this comes back, because this was
not it. Four thumbs down.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I know that's right. And Denver, I mean you spoke
to you, brought up to me in private about like
something that I didn't even realize, which is we did
not get a scene with just the main three with
Charlotte Carey and Miranda.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
We don't we didn't get that. Did you see the article?
And it was like THHR Variety with the producers talking
about the ending and so it was pretty in depth, okay,
And I read it like the day after I to
send it to you. But they were like, did s
JP know that she was filming Carrie's last scene? And
(17:23):
they were like, guess to a degree, but they try
to do every season as if it's ending, But she
didn't know it was going to be like the last
last scene because they filmed so much stuff out of order,
which to his which which to his point of seeming
like everything was kind of like cutting splice together very well,
I think is exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, that's that's exactly what happened. And we mentioned that
on our last episode with where it was like it
seemed like they was sweeping up clips off the floor
and taking them together for the finale.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Right, And I guess the other girls didn't really know,
and it was I'm going to send it to you.
I think it was right.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I did see criticism around, like, you know, people saying
like Cynthia Nixon was effectively like or essentially rather playing herself,
and people thought, I don't know what the ins and
outs look like, but people think from what I read,
that the actors had too much of a say in
the direction of the show instead of just being actors
(18:21):
and being directed. They had too much of a say,
and that is what compromised the characters. Is you know,
making Miranda a lot like Cynthia Nixon, or you know,
making Carrie a lot like s JP in ways and
et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Have they let Sarah to Sarah do it like the
first go round? Yeah, we wouldn't have these issues, you know.
I guess that was like part of the drama with
Ken Leaven and nobody got the same something.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I saw an article on TikTok someone, you know, when
they put the screen behind them and talk about it.
I don't know the source, so don't take my word
not didn't look it up, but someone was commenting on
some article that I guess in Sex and the City
three this is before and just like that was a thing.
I guess it was supposed to be Brady sending nude
images to Samantha or something like that, like that was
(19:11):
one of the plot points. Yeah, like sexting Samantha.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I mean I could I could see that in not
this current climate, but a decade ago.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I don't know, even a decade ago. Well you know what, Yeah,
because people view younger men and older women differently than
if it's a younger woman and an older man.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I mean, just watch Huves. Did you see The Hunter's Wives.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Everybody's been talking about this show and I have not
checked it out yet. I watched the Biggest Loser documentary,
and I'm not going to tell you what I've been
watching is comfort background TV.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I mean there's you know, it's it's weird in the climate, like,
you know, everything's kind of conservative. You know, quote unquote
but orgies and there are also but yeah, but things
also get really white and horning. There's a medline. So
Hollywood is hot and horny again or something like that,
And it's very true, like the trashiest you know that
MTV generation of the Nightly the whole era is rearing.
(20:08):
Satanic panic is back in the Sydney swingeing situation.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, I said, satanic panic is back from the eighties
and we're seeing a huge regression in the You never.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Heard that, No, I know the term who's worried about
the double now?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Oh that we're in a Chrysto fascist, Judeo Christian uh push,
So everything that does not align with that is inherently demonic.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Well, it never bothered me speaking.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Of demonic though my background comfort noise that I have been.
I just started watching this show. I've never really watched
it like that, but that got damn touched by an angel.
Oh my god, it's on Netflix. Listen, it's on Netflix now.
And it's literally nothing but charmed for It is nothing
(20:53):
but charmed for Christians. That's literally what it is. But
it is such a fantastic Denver.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
You're laughing as we do this show.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Roma Downey was in her thirties. Della Reese was the elder. Okay,
but I say this to say they they were knocking
it out the park with the cast. I just watched
an episode last night and it had Lynn Whitfield, Jennifer Lewis,
Loretta Devine, Richard Rowntree, and esther Role all in the
same episode. And then I saw one when Natalie Cole
was Maya Angelou's granddaughter. I saw one with Kadeem Hartisan
(21:31):
married to Holly Robinson Pete and his mother was Jeanee
Dubois from Good Times. I was like, this show was
a magnet for the A list talent, I mean, white
and black. But I was just, you know, I'm wild
and it's background noise. I think I just want an
escape from current times. So I started watching it and
it's just I'm in season four now, so I don't
know how I wound up there.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Netflix will do that to you, but no, so listen.
So I found an article. It's a Hollywood reporter, all right,
and no, no, no, no for the people listening. So the
writers compare the finale reaction to the ending of Secon
in the City and it's pretty in depth. I'm not
going to go through it, but if you have a chance,
you should read it. It's because they talk about the
reaction to the Sex and the City finale, talk about
(22:10):
the reaction to this one. They talk about, you know,
how the cast and crew reacted to everything.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I listened to the Writer's Room podcast and I didn't
really I was trying to see how they was known,
what they had to say for themselves with that finale,
and it just I don't know the one cute Are
you ready to listen to carsh part two?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, let's do it all right?
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Okay, Actually I have one more thing, and this is
maybe not the part that irked me the most in
the final episode, but the part to me that made
the most sense because it felt the most antithetical to
the very tenant, the very core of what Sex and
the City is, which is for women in friendship, living, laughing, loving,
all of that sort of stuff. So there's the bridal
(22:57):
fashion show. Both Charlotte and Carrie show up with the
emotional support women of color, and while they're on you know,
the front row of the runway and the brides are
going through, each of the payers are having this conversation
this sort of like triatis and unpacking of marriage and
what that means. Carrie sort of divulges herself as the
(23:17):
ultimate Pickbee girl. Surprise surprise to seem a Charlotte is
having this conversation with LTW and it's basically like even
through the bad, you know, love everything. And it just
felt weird that these four women were not talking in
concert with each other. You sort of had these two payers,
which were obviously two different sides of this particular issue,
(23:40):
and they're not talking together. Although I probably guess the
four of them talking together on the front row of
a fashion show would be pretty disrespectful. But I don't know.
That part really kind of stuck out to me as
very anti sex in the City because we really don't
see that. We really just don't see them all together
like that, I mean, you know, Miranda. Notwithstanding that part
(24:01):
also really kind of earth.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
From the episode.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, for me, I didn't see an issue with that.
And as I mentioned in our last episode, I'm in
a friend group and it's about four or five of
us and people everybody. It ain't always a conversation evolving
all four and five like everybody like people silo off
and sometimes it changes and you closer to one during
(24:25):
this season of your life than you are this one,
like and so I looked at that as totally normal.
I also kind of pushed back on the notion of
Carrie being labeled as like the ultimate pick me and
the reason why I say that, yes, yes, yes, yes.
The reason why I say that is because I view
Carrie Bradshaw as one of the most complex TV characters ever.
(24:48):
Writ Yes, she can be simplified and reduced to her
worst moments, but I think that that moment. What I
really respected about that scene was that moment of vulnerability
because what Carrie did that scene and she said the
quiet part out loud. Most people in romantic relationships are
do certain things because they need to prove to themselves
(25:09):
that they are worthy of being chosen. Whether that's be like,
I know, I just I think I just know too much,
like and is there any harm in that?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
No, no, no, no, I look.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
At her as a hopeless romantic. I don't look at
her as a pick me. I look at her as
a hopeless romantic.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Though then line then line, I mean, yeah, And I
think my only issue is that people were talking at
the show I mean I just felt, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, all four of them weren't going to be talking
across and they were having two different go ahead, sorry.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
You know, and for that to be the only scene
where they were all together.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Mm hmmmm hmm.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
You know, nobody pointed out go ahead, no, go ahead,
because I'm gonna jump.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I was just saying that they they also were having
two different conversations because they were grouped off from two
different lived experiences. I think that if they had been
at Hot Fellas Bakery, that would have been more appropriate
for maybe Seema to take survey about what marriage is
like and get their input. But Carrie and Sema have
a lot in common, and LTW and Charlotte have a
lot in common. There's a reason why these women are
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grouped off and paired off in the ways in which
they are, And Miranda and Naya had a lot in
common as well.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
So yeah, now somebody said that they and I don't
know if we touched on this last episode, so I
was a little tipsy shout out to Mexico. Somebody said
that if Carrie was going to do this whole I'm
okay on my own, and that was going to be
the finale then it really should have ended with her
storming with that hair in that dress, going to meet
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the girls after she broke things off with Aiden. That
or just should have been the finale scene. She walked
in there. Yeah, she walked in there and they were
I can't remember which one it was exactly, but like
I saw those green shots. So she walked in there
and she went to hey, everybody, and she just like
sat down and the camera was outside the restaurant and
we couldn't hear what they were saying.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And then oh, yes, when they said that she when
people speculated that she was wearing Duncan's cardigan, yes, that scene,
that scene, yes, oh that would have been That.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Would have been cute.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I didn't think about that, Yeah, I didn't think about that.
They should have spliced it that way. Well, I guess
I don't know how that would have made sense. But yeah,
I think that we were robbed of getting these women
all together and it and and if not all together
for the finale. We needed the main three, as I said.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Earlier, fellas and ended it there.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, it's got to be sexier than
hot Fellas. It needs to be something swinkier than than
than Anthony's Bakery with big dick.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Bakers like no, not for, not for, and just like that, no,
no better than what we got.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, I mean I didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I did not hate my My main critique is that
is wasted time with the bathroom. And I wanted to
know if Brady was the baby daddy. As part of
me to remarvelosses point, part of me, don't think he
is the baby daddy.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Then we'll never know.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
We'll never know. Our next one comes from Amber. We'll
listen to what she had to say.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Hid very sure. Let's talk about this last episode. It
was complete trash.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
It was garbage.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
Why do we get so much toilette? Oh that's probably
where they were sitting when they were inspired by this
entire episode. Let me sit on the toilet and just
hash this out real quick.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
To end in an entire series, It ain't no sense.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
I totally agree with you.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
They had no idea that this show is ending. Maybe
they spent less time giving us flood episodes, and I
think would agree with me, like sister Mary Rose o'doalds
lost less being.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
We could have just moved on.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
I mean, could have gotten more plot, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
The next thing I want to talk about is you guys.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
You all have amazing, amazing chemistry. Your voices sound amazing.
The show is amazing. I don't care what do we
watch it next.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I will follow you guys to the next spot.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Denver, don't leave me hanging the way you would be
let this hanging before. Don't let this in you guys,
It's too good to be true.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Thanks again for everything.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
The woman was rendering speechless, Well well done.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You take the for those kind of words. You know,
I don't where does that now? I agree with you.
Filler episodes trash. We should never have them. I should
have been out of here, you know, I think in
(29:56):
my difference, and I will go ahead and say, like
I would have done the He's Got Show until the
wheels fell off, But there are a lot of things
outside of our control. And you know when I when
Brian passed it, it just changed things, Like it's just
it's so without somebody who's such an integral part of
just the show. And it's just I don't know that
(30:20):
your producer, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And he.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Used to chime in occasionally on the yeah I remember.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, we were with them for years. You know. Wow.
You know then things sometimes when all things, all roads
lead to the same thing, and sometimes you just got
to get off, you know. But this isn't about that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, so hilarious to me, I said, Amber was hilarious.
I mean that whole that whole story about the toilet,
and that's where they were when they wrote it. Like Amber,
you were, you were upset, and I mean, I feel
like we all share in the same sentiment. I think
the most upsetting I think we all can agree the
(31:03):
most upsetting aspect of the series finale was the toilet
scene with Mark. It was just so like, I know,
who wants to get in the into the mechanics and
it and I should mention Denver it wouldn't have mattered
if that scene was placed in other episodes. We didn't
need it. And I saw someone comment I might have
(31:24):
read this on Blue Sky or Threads, but about like
how Sex in the City's writing the comedy was smarter
and for in just like that they like yes, slap
states literal pot Yes, where did did we read the
same thing? Well?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
No, I thought that was I don't remember dumb ass comedy.
I did laugh. I was laughing in context of like
a romance faux pa they mishap or right, it was.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
It was just a little bit smarter, you know, I
have you know, this is giving middle school cafeteria table humor.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Thank you for that call, Amber, very very very sweet,
very very sweet words. And like I said, you were
fun me. That was funny. Okay, Now right, where were
you all? No, it's okay. And also I just want
to take time to shout out to everybody else that's
left comments on our Spotify, on our Apple podcasts, on YouTube.
(32:33):
You all have been super active, and Denver and I
are so so so appreciative to have formed this little
community around this little rat show. It's it's good. It's good.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
A little engine that could our little engine cut.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Okay, now we have two messages from Charles. Let's listen
to what Charles had to say. Part one.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Hey, hopefully I didn't miss your recording. I just have
to say I don't. I don't think I've ever been
this letdown by a series finale maybe ever, like even
the Insecure finale. My issue with it was they could
(33:20):
have spent that last season showing us how we got
to the end, but the ending itself was fine. This like,
I can't believe this is the last time we're going
to see these characters, and this is how they leave us.
This is what you give us. That bathroom scene, that
(33:41):
is I like, I I almost want to ask if
everyone in the writer's room is all right. I can't
believe they did us, Like, like, where is everyone? Why
isn't everyone at this table?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Like what is this?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I'm so disappointed and let down. I don't I don't know.
I'm like a week later, I'm still just really let down.
Y'all really did us like this lastly? Before my time
uns out? I just really want you guys to start
a podcast or keep going. It could be bi weekly,
once a month, quarterly. I am desperate anything you would
(34:20):
give us. Yeah, thank you for this.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Thank you, Charles, Charles, thank you. And I mean, listen,
it's a resounding I think the sentiment is echoing throughout
these speak pipes. Everybody's saying the same thing in their
own way, right, Yeah, yeah, I find that. Yeah, the
(34:48):
the toilet humor was just it wasn't It's a very
specific person that and yeah, like Denver and I have
been saying throughout this entire episode. What a way to
send off these beloved characters, possibly forever into the abyss.
We we don't know we'll ever see them again.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I would have preferred a time jump finale to that.
We got literal shit, like.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
If it would have started and been like five years later.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You know, two years later, three years later, whatever, we
just picked up where they were. Carrie was by herself,
Miranda and Enjoy, you know, like, I would have much
preferred something like that. And I think had we known
it was gonna end, maybe we would have gotten that. Yeah,
because it seems like such a smarter way to have
ended that serious random thought.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
No, I agree, creatively, that also would have worked. I
love a good time jump, honey, because as I mentioned,
you know, when I was reflecting, you know, at the
top of this episode, when I was reflecting on like
the series as a whole, I think back to like
high school, college, hell, even first moving to LA and
it's like pieces on a chessboard. Things change, like you
(35:56):
know what I'm saying, The phone don't ring as much
with friends. I got two friends from middle school and
it used to be a group of five of us.
One dropped off in high school, and then the other
dropped off a few years ago, and it's just three
of us still from then. And then my college friends
are a little all over the place. Like I mentioned,
most of them are married and mothers, and the conversation
(36:19):
look different on Saturday mornings when you're catching up the.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Group chat's real quiet these days, you know, like that
that's the main thing. I used to be running it
up day and day out. Now, yeah, ago weeks. You know,
somebody will send something that just nobody responds to. We
all read.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, you know, I try to respond. I'm in a
few different group chats and I try to respond. This
is gonna sound terrible. The only group chat I'm a
little lazy around is I have a cousin's group chat,
and it's just a little too active sometimes. And then
like my immediate family, me, my mama, and my sisters
are in a group chat, and I don't have the
notifications on for that because I'm on West Coast time,
(36:58):
my sisters are on the East coast. Mama's in the Midwest.
So when when my phone's blowing up at five am
because they talking about the morning and the day, I
can't so the notifications are off for that, but I
try to respond on like in friend group chats. I
try to react, you know, and luckily Apple got you know,
you could give it a heart or a ha ha.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Oh you know it's funny. iOS twenty six is coming
out in like a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Oh, educate us.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Then they're going to add they're adding typing indicators for
group messages.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
What okay? What?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
What is it not like when you start to reply
to somebody and you can see the little three dots
to do, but it doesn't do that in group messages,
it will and it'll have like like dies for each person. Yeah, yeah,
that'll be nice. So if you start your reply and
it stop, which I do all the time, am I
going to respond to this? Maybe not especially in group
text because you will get caught up real quick.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Well what do you think about the I haven't tried this,
but tell me this is true with the whole Apple
thing with now, if you have someone's phone number blocked
and they like text you, it'll still go through as
delivered and blue and they don't know that they're blocked.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
No, I've seen conversation around this, but I never thought
to investigate. No, oh, okay, I don't have any numbers,
but well I do have a few numbers blocked. I'm
not gonna even lie. I ain't gonna even lie to y'all.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I do. But if you have somebody blocked on your phone,
sometimes they will still go to your Apple Watch.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Oh, I know it's come through in this MacBook. I'm
talking to you all isn't blocked on my phone, but
it's I've cracked open this laptop and been like, I
know you are lying to me.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah. Yeah, they got to tighten that up.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Okay, let's listen to what Charles had to say Part two.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I'm sorry I had to. I had to come back
because I listened to the Writer's Room episode. Sometimes I
want to see what they think that they are doing,
or like their intention and they really think that they
be doing something, and you know, sometimes they do. It's
not all bad. Like I Also, I'm not a person
(39:14):
that hate watches this show. I really like these characters.
I've been watching, like I like this. This finale was
just so like, where where.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
This shit scene?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Nobody wants to see that these rude ass young adults?
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Why are they here?
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Where is Seema, where's Adam? Why aren't they here?
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Where? Where's Naya?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Where's LGW?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Where is what?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
What is this? It's nobody here? I yeah, I think
I'm joining the the growing thought that there's no way
this was a planned series finale. I refuse to believe it.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
There's no way.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Thank you, Charles. I love that Charles left two messages
with the same sentiment because we all were disturbed by.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
This, okay, and we want to know where the people
were justice for Professor.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
I guess now we can. We can tell people that
that's who we were in talks of getting on the
podcast last season was Karen Pittman aka who Denver affectionately coined,
and I've seen people used yes that time, which shout
out to Treyvelle. Treyvelle. It was last year Treyvell did
(40:32):
something I want to say about like with the NAACP
or whatever, and told Naya that that's what we refer
to her as she really yeah, oh good morning, Oh
good she knows she's aware.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I was literally about to say, I hope that she
doesn't take offense to that, because you know, I do
know her name. I just didn't and I couldn't when
we you know, when we first started this in spaces
in twenty twenty yeah two, that was.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Twenty twenty winter twenty twenty two. Was it twenty twenty one?
I think season one was twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
It was like.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
December leading into January twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I just couldn't remember
her name. I just knew from the Morning Show.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
So, which, by the way, that comes back next month.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Did you see did you watch that trailer? Oh my god?
Speaker 3 (41:24):
That way.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I'm such a fan of Karen Pittman and her work.
I was not able to get through What's that damn show?
Marl rock A Kiel Netflix Forever?
Speaker 3 (41:36):
No, I got through.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
I watched two episodes. I think that I'm still working
through some things, and it brought up it brought up
stuff for me. Yeah, yeah, it brought up some stuff
for me, and I was like, Yeah, this isn't the
show for me right now in this season I might
have to go back and rewatch it. But from what
I saw, there's not been anything that I've watched that
Karen Pittman has been in that I have not liked
(42:00):
her performance in like, I really like her. I've never
interviewed her, she's never walked the carpet that I've that
I've worked, but I would love she just seems like
such a chill person.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, I loved her that I heard that she was just.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Like the perfect encapsulation and the perfect depiction of a
black mother. My modern day.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Shows like when they try to make affluent black women,
they make them try to like cosplay white women. Yeah,
it's not like that at all.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
So was she giving was she giving original Aunt Viv?
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yes, That's why I jokingly say when when people ask
about my mother, I say d from Moesha, original ant Viv.
My mom is like a strong Delta from the South,
a Delta woman from the South. That that's who I
was raised by. So if you want to know what
shaped and reared me, shout out to that lady. Okay,
(42:57):
so we have two more and then where does our
last two speak pipes? As I mentioned, he opened the
show and he will be closing the show. So here's Marvelous.
I guess part two for him?
Speaker 4 (43:14):
Too High char High, Denver were Marvelous is back after
watching the finale and I am truly satisfied with the
way that left off because it was not an ending
or finale at all. It was a dot dot dot
and we get to choose how those characters walk away.
Sex and the City raised us on this idea of
wanting to be chosen, of wanting a partner, of craving
(43:36):
a man, craving marriage, and not wanting to be alone,
And just like that showed us that there is life
after all that bullshit, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Why crave for Sex and the City when every day
is Sex and the City And I am Samantha Jones
and I do it better than her. Okay, shout out
to our girl Carrie doing what you do best and
(43:56):
a fabulous pair of heels, a fantastic hat and choosing
to be on her own rather than dwell on the
word alone Miranda and our girl Joy. That was a
beautiful lesbian ending to that storyline. LTW and mismade Marian Honey.
That was giving homegirls. That was giving Jenna do one
(44:18):
Tatum and Chanting Tatum and their lavender marriage. It was
not giving prelude to Poundtown. If anything, them too were
gonna go get Cosmos after that, Okay, are we sure
he's married to a woman, And if he is, y'all
know she's white, Okay, Seema picking picking, picking, picking, picking,
But I'm glad she picked that man and our girl,
Charlotte being funny, our MVP. It's been hard knowing that
(44:40):
I gotta say goodbye to you too.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
That's why I've been putting it off. But I'll be back.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
I mean, what what can we say? What can we say?
Speaker 2 (44:49):
What a positive outlook on everything, and I appreciate it
so much.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Yes, what a.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Different angle we've all been up and Remarvelous says that
that episode was in the li I will say this,
if they have a bring these characters back, we need
some time. We need some time. They can't come back.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
I should Do you think they should?
Speaker 1 (45:10):
I don't think. I don't think that they shouldn't. I
don't either, But it makes me sad in that, Like,
you know what, I know if i'd be I don't
know if i'd be excited if I saw a press
release saying that they were going to do well. I
feel like if they brought these characters back, it would
have to be a movie, and I feel like it
(45:30):
would be a made for TV or one of the
direct to streamer movies. It would not be in theaters.
I don't see them doing a series ever again. And
I don't see them doing a theater release movie ever again.
It would be like down to the Hulu, down to
down to the Netflix, down to I mean down to
HBO Max.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
I mean, I don't know. I mean I would enjoy,
like in a perfect world off like a dream. I'd
wake up and then be like, you know what, we
lie one more season ban demanded because you know, we
realized we weren't done yet, you know, the final season,
and they gave us and they gave us like and
(46:11):
they gave us like a proper final season, and they
just wanted balls to the wall, you know, like big budget.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Big weren't there reports that s JP was like, bitch,
I'm not done with this yet.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, yeah, allegedly something I'm holding out hope. But I mean,
that's that's what I would want to see, A tight
eight episodes go ahead. I don't care how much. I
don't know how we get oh Girl back, but just
at least for finale finale, you know what I mean, like.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Happy birthday to her. I think today is Kim Catrell's birthday.
I think today, look it up real quick if you can.
I think today is Kim Cotrell's birthday. August twenty first,
I know it's Loretta Devine's birthday. Leo season is ending,
thank god, come on, virgo.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Not too much on my people yet. But it is today,
August first.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah, I could have sworn. I saw her come down
my my Instagram timeline with a glass of champagne.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Shout out to the mid nineteen hundreds, shut out to.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Kim Katrell, Thank you for that, Remarvelous. I still maintain
I do think that Marion is married to a white woman.
But I still maintained that there was sexual tension and
energy there. Marion and LTW did not give me home
girls going out for Cosmos. There was there was a severe.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Shut Yeah, okay, I think we all moved a bit
with the I it jumped.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
We all did a seat adjustment with the papios. Okay.
And here's Marvelous the final time, Part three for one,
Final Time.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
High Denver High Share.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Now.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
Sure, I know you said try and keep it to two,
but Marvelous had to come back and make it a
three for three.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
My birthdays and two weeks of.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Nomber three thirty five and fucking fabulous, so we're gonna
call it a birthday gift. And I had to come
back and say goodbye to my babies, my sisters, because
no joke, y'all, saying goodbye to the show is one thing,
but the thought of saying goodbye to y'all. And the
other night, I was drying, even crying. The other day,
it's not coming down my nose. I had to lay
(48:20):
down and take a nap and just sleep it off
because I was like, I do not like saying goodbye
to my family. I'm gonna stand firm on the fact
that I love the finale. I do not like goodbyes.
I don't watch the finale of the Golden Girls for
a reason. I have not watched the finale of the
Office for a reason. I'm not trying to say goodbye
to y'all. I like to see it and I like
(48:40):
to leave it just as is a dot dot Jock
is fine with me, and I embrace that.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
I stand firm on the mismade Marian Hill that Nigga
was not into that lady. If he was trying to fuck,
he would have fucked Okay, that is a fluid man
with his dangly earring, just like he is in real life.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
We was all trying to give him some KOCHI.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
We were all over to throw it Adam. Come on, now,
we're not eracing bisexuality like Miss Diego. Y'all know he
dumped Lilly for the boyfriend. Okay, Denver, I've been rocking
with you since the Beat Scott Show on Facebook. Shout
out to mother, thank you for introducing me to my
sister where I met sure on cocktails with Denver.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
I love you too, hope to see you soon.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
It's almost as if we're Marvelous is listening to us
in real time, because what the hell was?
Speaker 2 (49:27):
What the hell?
Speaker 1 (49:29):
I just shouted out, Virgos, Happy birthday thirty five. This
is such a transformative year. Happy early birthday to you.
Were Marvelous. We are going to miss you. And for
what it's worth, the Golden Girls finale was so good,
as was The Office. But I'm interested in I love
the ellipsis approach that Marvelous takes.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, you know what. To his point, I don't watch
a lot of finales either for shows I love it.
I'm still going to watch the Modern finale, Modern Family finale.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Really No, that's because nothing.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Really, it takes me a long time to watch finales.
I'll go back and watch the year later.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Yeah, I'll be rushing to watch the finale. I don't
Maybe that's the earth sign in me. I don't know. Well,
Marvelous is also an earth sign, so I don't know.
I think that. First of all, I just I mean,
I know I expressed this sentiment earlier, Denver, and I
are so grateful for y'all and and so deeply appreciative
for these interactions, and Marvelous, you are someone that definitely
(50:36):
kept us on our toes because we never know what's
going to come out of your mouth.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
We just know it is such a light. It's such
a light. And just thank you for money, I think
everyone for listening. Actually so so funny, sad. That's where
I get all emotional because I feel like it's I.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Know, I know, I know, well, uh man, So Denver,
before we get out of here, Before we get out
of here, I do want to know what's up? What
have your thoughts on your character?
Speaker 2 (51:10):
My eyes right already that you I was gonna cry.
I'm not good. Good byes.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Y'all have your thoughts on the character that you once
said that you related to the most. Have they changed
now that the series finale has aired, or are you
still sticking to I forgot who I said that you
you were most like, I know you told me Charlotte,
and I was so offended, but then I ended up
(51:38):
and when I when I zoomed out, I was like, damn, damn.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, I'm trying to think who I wouldn't be because
I feel like my life is taken on so many
different mm hmm journeys and rivers, and you know, it's
flowed in a thousand different ways. No, I mean I don't.
(52:04):
I don't think I picked one then, and I don't
know if I can really pick one now.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
I feel like I picked one for you. I wish
I would have went back and listened. I definitely, I
mean she wasn't really in the series, but I mean, Samantha.
I look at you as a Samantha just with and
I don't say that with like a hyper sexual lens,
but your your fiery approach to life has always been
(52:31):
very intentional, but also like you are so good at
shrugging things off, and I feel like that's a trait
that Samantha had where she didn't let things stick to
her for too long. And so that's who I would
say for you. As I mentioned, I remember you told
me I was leaning more so towards Miranda, because that's
always what I had heard, like when I was to
(52:53):
your point about changing when the movie. When I saw
the movie, I was like, oh, I relate to Samantha
the most, and then as I went throughout my life,
I was like, I'm definitely a Miranda kind of like
this stiffler, this stickler. And then when you told me Charlotte,
I remember being so offended because I did not see it.
And then, like I said, I zoomed out. And there
(53:13):
was an instance that happened which I shared with you
years ago. This was when you had told me like
that same summer, a friend had said something and I
reacted in a very Charlotte way. A friend was telling
a story about something they did, and I mean we
were private, it wasn't like a react and I was like,
oh my god, that fucking Denver is right. And I
think that's also why I related so much to LTW
(53:35):
sacrifice with her and being best friends and dealing with Herbert,
I just see a lot of myself, and also of
course with the whole writer aspect.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Well, I mean there's a certain like pragmatism to Miranda,
But even with Charlotte, there's like a whimsical pragmatism, if
you will, you know what I mean. It's a traditionalist
to a degree, to a degree, but she's not afraid
to expand that boundary she sees fit. Yeah. Well, Denver,
(54:05):
well damn it, you got the co host.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
This has been an incredible this is what four years.
I remember when we wrapped season two and I was like, bitch,
I cannot wait till twenty twenty five, Like, what the hell,
what is the world going to look like? I remember
because remember the last time we did this show was
the summer of Renaissance. We were having very different convers
it was a very different It was a very different time.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Which I ended that episode that season. I was in Greece.
I was having the time of my life.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
I think I went back to Palm Springs. We did
an episode. You were in Greece. I was in Palm Springs. Yeah,
and yeah, this has been incredible. Having the opportunity to
work with you in this capacity. I know everybody has
commented on our chemistry. That's how we knew this was
going to work because in the Twitter space, yeah, we
(54:56):
kept we got the same feedback and so we again,
I can't emphasize enough. I'm struggling to find the words,
but we are deeply I think I speak for the
both of us. Yeah when I say that, we are
incredibly moved by you all, and this has been a
fantastic journey and thank you all. I mean leaving a
speak pipe that takes work to put your voice on
(55:16):
the record like that and live forever in the podcast.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah, oh Denver, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good, I'm good. Yeah, no, listen,
as far as I know, we get a lot of
comments about doing another show and keeping it going. Yeah,
and you know, I just feel like you never know,
you know, like.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
You never know, lightning has to Yeah, we both have
to of course have some conversations, but but the interest
has to be there, you know, like the motivation around
whatever the topic would be.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
And so.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Yeah, I would want to do it. I wouldn't want
to do it, just do it, you know.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
No, I made a promise with myself. I'm not dragging
my feet to do nothing. I'm not doing nothing unless
I want to, especially extracurricular like this. And so with
that being said, to preserve because Denver, your face is
turning really red.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
I holding it back.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
With that being said, and just like that, it is
time to say goodbye. We want to thank you all
for an incredible journey, and you don't know where we'll
pop up. So and in the words of Remarrvelous, this
is not or in the words of Oprah Winfrey when
she ended her show, this is not goodbye, This is
(56:35):
not farewell. This is until we meet again.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Bye, y'all, yall,
Hey, hey, it's Shar, this is Denver, and we're just
like that. Welcome to the unofficial recap podcast for Max's
original series. And just like that, we're so excited Denver.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
So you're ready, I'm ready, all right.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
So let's get things started, all right, and just like that,
it is time to say goodbye. This is our bonus
episode from and just like that season three, I mean,
I guess then, just like that series finale, this is
our We gave them a bonus last season, which was
Room for Dessert after Carrie's dinner party. And so now
(00:42):
there is a bonus episode just to you know, recap
on the on the series, I would say, the season,
the season and the series and to hear what you
all have to say. So thanks for joining us for
this very special episode of We're just like That with
Denver and Shar.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yes, yes, I'm sad ready, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It is, but you know here we are here, we
are so Denver. But this is the thing that we
left everybody on the edge of their seats for. And
I'll let you go first. What was your rating on
the series finale of in Just Like That and why
did you rate it? What you rated it?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
All right? So we're just going to talk about the
finale itself, right now, correct, We're going to.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Talk about the finale and then talk about the series.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Okay, do stick on my teeth? No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
I think I have something on my laptop. So I'm like,
it just looks like okay, but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Sorry, sorry, sorry, that's okay. And that's okay, that's okay.
So the series finale episode, after it's all said and done,
I say, I give it a solid six and a half.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
For the wait for this, for the series finale, the.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Episode, we're just that just that episode.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Wow, okay?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Why Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So I had it. I had it like a seven, right,
I did have it at a seven. Then the longer
I sat with it, the more I realized it was
just such a deservice to just the legacy and the fans.
And there was a shit scene. And I think that
ship scene really just kind of knocked it down for me, honestly, Like,
(02:23):
I know it sounds crazy and it might sound petty,
but I genuinely believe that they deserved better.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
No, I agree. I'm actually shocked that you rated it
what you rated it, because I gave it a four
point five ooh, I did. And here's the thing. The
it was, I really sat with it and I had
I gave it time to like marinate on my spirit
and yeah, I mean just echoing kind of what you said,
like what a way to send off these beloved characters.
(02:55):
You know, I talked to friends about it. People want
to know, of course, what I thought about the finale,
and it's like, the more, like I said, the more
it marinated, the more I really sat with it, the
more conversations I had about it. It was just such
a dramatic letdown to send these beloved characters, characters off
with And so it gets one of the lowest ratings
(03:17):
for me because aside from it being the finale, I
think it was, it wasn't that it wasn't that great
of an episode for me.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Right right, Yeah, right, I mean I think that. I mean,
in terms of just the episode, how I was written everything,
I'm definitely with you, like it definitely would have been
I think lower. I think that I gave it a
little more just because I wanted I did want it
to continue. Yeah, I mean there were some episodes, treats,
episodes I wanted them to end. I was like, I'm
sick of watching this shit. But this episode, like I wanted,
(03:47):
I wanted it to keep going, like I wanted you
know what I mean, Like I still wanted more. Yeah,
I wasn't turned off per se. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Well there you have it. Those are our ratings on
on the finale. Now, Denver, how would you rate this
series as a whole on a scale from one to ten?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay, And I gave it some thought too, and I
had to go back and revisit one, two, and three,
not the entire seasons, but I just kind of skimmed
just at you know, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So I
went ahead and I gave each season a rating because
I feel like that would be a more fair way
to kind of rate the entire series as a whole.
(04:26):
So I gave season one to six and I and
I say that in looking back at it, just because
they did way too much. I feel like they played.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
It replacements and face yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. In the moment,
I probably would have given it like a seven and
a half, but in retrospect about a six. Season two
I gave a seven just because it was okay, Like
when I think about you know, the beginning of the end,
you know, minus you know JDS. It was solid, it
(04:59):
was fair. And then season three I gave a seven
and a half. Even though that finale episode was terrible,
I think it was my favorite season, and really that
it was. I think that as the writing. I'm sorry.
As the show went on again, say for the finale,
we were getting to a place. I think had the
series not ended, had they not been forced to turn
(05:20):
whatever that was into a finale, I think we would
have gotten a stronger ending. Yeah, And I think we
would have gotten a stronger series. Yeah. So averaging all
that out, it's a six point eight three three three
three three three three three three. Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So I didn't break it down as by season. I
broke it down by just looking at much like yourself,
I looked at recaps, you know on YouTube, like you know,
little synopsis, because there are things I forgot, And yes,
for all of the criticism that I've given the show,
I still enjoyed it. So I gave the entire series
an eight. And I'm going to tell you why. I
know someone scrunched up their face when I just said.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
That, because I did internally it's so new.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I gave it an eight because I overall enjoyed it
for what it was. And what I mean when I
say that is I enjoyed it even in all of
the sloppiness and the chaos and the questionable writing and
some of those dead end storylines. I think that it's
a true reflection of how life can be right Samantha moving,
(06:21):
you know, and not being involved in this friend circle anymore.
I think it shows like it to me, it reflected
like how people can come and go beyond Samantha, Like
you will get new friends, you will lose friends along
the way, and it's one of those things that is
like not to get to, you know, poetic, but it's
like just as sure as the sun rises and falls,
(06:43):
you know, we will will rises and sets. Rather we
still move forward. We have no choice but to keep
moving forward. The days will become long, the weeks will
become short, the years will become like you know what
I'm saying, like when you look back. And so it
got me reflecting on like a few weeks ago, I
was talking to one of my friends and this is
(07:06):
just a little side quest, but you all know how
Denver and I get down and it's one of those
things where I looked at a significant portion of my
adulthood and how much I invest in or invested. I'm
using past tense in people, in places and things like that. No, no, no,
not in a shady way. I'm not using past tents
in a shady girl. I'm just this is I'm in
(07:28):
a new era in my life right now. And so
the point that I'm trying to make is my friend
gave me the advice and I was like, yes, you know,
I've been, of course influenced by like Oprah and Gale,
Beyonce and Kelly. You know, you meet wonderful people and
you think, like for me, I'm someone that romanticized, like
oh on my sixtieth birthday, Like I can visualize it, right,
(07:49):
But that's not always the case. And so my friend
challenged me to reframe that because you may not be there,
and I'm using this metaphorically. You may not be there,
but someone will be there. And so that's I think
that's my approach, and it it and it it. I
feel like it works in protecting me and my feelings
(08:11):
just as I move forward. Like it's like, and that's
not to say that I don't invest in things anymore.
But I look at it in relation tying it to
these characters. You have your investments, people have their investments,
but sometimes life happens. People will die, people will get sick,
people like families change. And I think that's why I
put a button on the show as like an eight, because,
(08:33):
like I said, if you squint through all of the
riff raff and the nonsense, life was still happening to
these characters. And I think it's a beautiful reflection that
we don't see on TV frequently. We don't see it
a lot with mature women and mature.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
People, and and to your point, I think that's exactly
what they set out to do.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
You know, I think that was the entire purpose. So yeah,
I think I thought it.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Was a beautiful depiction of it. I thought it was
a beautiful depiction of it. Like Charlotte, I mean, Carrie,
Charlotte and Miranda can still be best friends and they
can also acquire new friends along the way, and that's
not a threat to their foundation. Like I just, yeah,
we don't see this depicted a lot maybe in films,
in certain films, but as far as scripted television series,
(09:16):
we don't see and I find a beauty in that
as I keep going in life, and it's freed me
from from so much because I mean, you know, I
mean like I feel like the girl I was even
two years ago no longer exists. And I don't know
if it's a reflection of the current political climate or
what's going on like or age.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But I just I don't know. I think it's a
combination life. I think it's life.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, I don't. I don't have the energy to be
sitting up here twiddling my thumbs and wringing my hands
because it's gonna be what it's gonna be. It's gonna
be what it's gonna be. So okay, are you ready
to get into speak pipes? We have eight speek pips
and then we'll we'll wrap this thing up.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So the first speak pipe comes from there. I'm I'm
playing them in order in which they came in. The
first one is from Marvelous. I should mention that I
have not listened to these. We have three from re Marvelous,
and you know I said only two. You know, I
said only two, but we have.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Three from more and I think you said no more
than three. Would try to capit it to try.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Okay, fair, but I should mention I should mention Marvelous
will start this this show and end this show because
in between there, like I said, I'm playing them in
order in which they came in. So Marvelous was the
first person and the last person to leave a message.
So let's listen to what he had to say.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Hi, Denvers is back. I've been putting off watching the
finale because I have not wanted it all to end,
So this will be in regards to episode number eleven.
Miranda was so inappropriate for inviting me over number one.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
I don't think that's his baby.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
The girl with the double libra of it all. She
just seems like the type to get around, Okay, Charlotte,
I think was very important because it's very easy to
just do another queer kids storyline, but to have the
non binary of it all, the beautiful of the duality,
handsome and pretty both things. However, Rocky Po the vocals
(11:30):
were severely lacking, and we were severely missing our little
sister Henry because you really know that she wanted to
be Millie okay, and she would have did a damn
good job, just like I wanted to be back in
two thousand and six too. Okay, Liz it honey. Someone
lied to Lisette and told her that she was fly,
hot and sexy and she is none of those things.
(11:51):
She is nothing of the sort. She's a tacky bitch.
She really thinks she's carried two point oz. And she
fucked up that apartment. I got the closet girl and
showed what for it because you can't dress. Okay, what
a way to close out that apartment storyline. I'm sad
that it turned into what it was, but Carrie was right.
Sometimes you can't go home. Now, guys, it is time
(12:15):
for me to get into episode at number twelve, the
finalitey of it all. I have not heard good things,
so you'll be hearing from me real soon.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Love you both, Thank you, marvelous. And word to Tiffany Pollard.
That was a reference to she thinks she's.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Fly and you know, no, I wasn't mad at Lezate.
Actually I think I was.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Mad at what she did to the apartment, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, but she's I was gonna say, gen Z. You
know they don't have any sense anyway.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Now, I sound like the writers, which someone puted out
that the writers don't like queer and trans people either.
If you really squint, every character that they write that's
queer and trance is either an extreme stereotype excuse me,
or so rude and ridiculed list And I was like, wow,
I didn't even I don't really even really clock that.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Well. I don't know where to go from there. No,
I liked Lisette. I liked her little like I don't
know that almost like a reflection. But it was almost
like looking into Carrie's past a little bit. Yeah, you know,
I wouldn't be mad had to spin off which was that. Yeah,
(13:28):
I mean, had she not fucked up that apartment, I
would like I would have loved to have seen some
type of new life, you know what I mean, Like,
if we're not gonna do these girls, I would like
Carrie two point zero. And I know they tried with
the Carrie Diaries on the c W a back when,
but that's just why.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I watched that. But the story was different because Carrie
was raised by a single father in that episode. Shout
out to Anna Sophia rob She's one of my favorite
TV actresses. No really, yeah, I loved her little fires
everywhere too, beautiful girl.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yes, you bodied that. Yeah, as far as what she wore,
I don't really remember. I don't think any of it
was memorable.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, none of it was memorable to me. I mean
I do. I can't acknowledge, you know, the duality with Rock.
But also Rock was a very specific character who requested,
even in Finding the Beauty in Duality, requested that no
pictures on with the feminine lens, with the hyper feminine
lens were taken of them, And so you know, that's
(14:23):
got to be respected, and I totally agree. I feel
like if they were going to give us so much
of Henry during Charlotte's birthday party, every time we saw
them kids, Henry should because we didn't even see the
LTW and Herbert's other children. But I feel like we
should have at least had more interactions with Henry. If
they gonna give him the star of the show, make
(14:44):
him the star of the show.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, and the birthday party and.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
The birthday party, thank you, we marvelous. I can't wait
to hear what you gotta say about the finale. Okay,
and so our next two these came both in a row.
It's from Karsh, I believe, So do you want to
listen to. Yeah, let's listen to part one and comment
(15:08):
and then listen to part two in comment instead of
finals together. Okay, here's Carsh part one.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
Hello Shar, Hello Denver, big fan of the show here.
I really don't know what to make of that final
episode besides just how bad it was overall, it really
felt like they had cobbled together scenes from throughout the
entire season and tried to make them work in this finale.
I know that they had to rush and do some
(15:37):
more editing and posts after the cancelation, because that little
part at the very end credits with the closing of
Sex and the City theme song as well as the
closing Sex and the City credits song just felt tacked
on a little bit disrespectful, like, Hey, this is how
good we could have had it, but instead you got this.
(15:59):
Throughout that an entire final episode, there was piss, there
was shit. There were those disrespectful pound puppies that Mia
brought to Miranda's apartments. The girls really didn't spend that
much time together, like just the three of them, and
this sort of weirdly disjointed Thanksgiving celebration LTW and Marion
(16:23):
that had no real resolution. I mean, it really just
was a horrible send off, not just for the season,
but really for the franchise. And it was kind of,
you know, a chocolate cream pot to the face to
the entire fandom. They need to give us time to
miss these women if this comes back, because this was
not it. Four thumbs down.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
I know that's right. And Denver, I mean you spoke
to you, brought up to me in private about like
something that I didn't even realize, which is we did
not get a scene with just the main three with
Charlotte Carey and Miranda.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
We don't we didn't get that. Did you see the article?
And it was like THHR Variety with the producers talking
about the ending and so it was pretty in depth, okay,
And I read it like the day after I to
send it to you. But they were like, did s
JP know that she was filming Carrie's last scene? And
(17:23):
they were like, guess to a degree, but they try
to do every season as if it's ending, But she
didn't know it was going to be like the last
last scene because they filmed so much stuff out of order,
which to his which which to his point of seeming
like everything was kind of like cutting splice together very well,
I think is exactly what happened.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, that's that's exactly what happened. And we mentioned that
on our last episode with where it was like it
seemed like they was sweeping up clips off the floor
and taking them together for the finale.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Right, And I guess the other girls didn't really know,
and it was I'm going to send it to you.
I think it was right.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I did see criticism around, like, you know, people saying
like Cynthia Nixon was effectively like or essentially rather playing herself,
and people thought, I don't know what the ins and
outs look like, but people think from what I read,
that the actors had too much of a say in
the direction of the show instead of just being actors
(18:21):
and being directed. They had too much of a say,
and that is what compromised the characters. Is you know,
making Miranda a lot like Cynthia Nixon, or you know,
making Carrie a lot like s JP in ways and
et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Have they let Sarah to Sarah do it like the
first go round? Yeah, we wouldn't have these issues, you know.
I guess that was like part of the drama with
Ken Leaven and nobody got the same something.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
I saw an article on TikTok someone, you know, when
they put the screen behind them and talk about it.
I don't know the source, so don't take my word
not didn't look it up, but someone was commenting on
some article that I guess in Sex and the City
three this is before and just like that was a thing.
I guess it was supposed to be Brady sending nude
images to Samantha or something like that, like that was
(19:11):
one of the plot points. Yeah, like sexting Samantha.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
I mean I could I could see that in not
this current climate, but a decade ago.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I don't know, even a decade ago. Well you know what, Yeah,
because people view younger men and older women differently than
if it's a younger woman and an older man.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
I mean, just watch Huves. Did you see The Hunter's Wives.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Everybody's been talking about this show and I have not
checked it out yet. I watched the Biggest Loser documentary,
and I'm not going to tell you what I've been
watching is comfort background TV.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I mean there's you know, it's it's weird in the climate, like,
you know, everything's kind of conservative. You know, quote unquote
but orgies and there are also but yeah, but things
also get really white and horning. There's a medline. So
Hollywood is hot and horny again or something like that,
And it's very true, like the trashiest you know that
MTV generation of the Nightly the whole era is rearing.
(20:08):
Satanic panic is back in the Sydney swingeing situation.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, I said, satanic panic is back from the eighties
and we're seeing a huge regression in the You never.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Heard that, No, I know the term who's worried about
the double now?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Oh that we're in a Chrysto fascist, Judeo Christian uh push,
So everything that does not align with that is inherently demonic.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Well, it never bothered me speaking.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Of demonic though my background comfort noise that I have been.
I just started watching this show. I've never really watched
it like that, but that got damn touched by an angel.
Oh my god, it's on Netflix. Listen, it's on Netflix now.
And it's literally nothing but charmed for It is nothing
(20:53):
but charmed for Christians. That's literally what it is. But
it is such a fantastic Denver.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
You're laughing as we do this show.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Roma Downey was in her thirties. Della Reese was the elder. Okay,
but I say this to say they they were knocking
it out the park with the cast. I just watched
an episode last night and it had Lynn Whitfield, Jennifer Lewis,
Loretta Devine, Richard Rowntree, and esther Role all in the
same episode. And then I saw one when Natalie Cole
was Maya Angelou's granddaughter. I saw one with Kadeem Hartisan
(21:31):
married to Holly Robinson Pete and his mother was Jeanee
Dubois from Good Times. I was like, this show was
a magnet for the A list talent, I mean, white
and black. But I was just, you know, I'm wild
and it's background noise. I think I just want an
escape from current times. So I started watching it and
it's just I'm in season four now, so I don't
know how I wound up there.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Netflix will do that to you, but no, so listen.
So I found an article. It's a Hollywood reporter, all right,
and no, no, no, no for the people listening. So the
writers compare the finale reaction to the ending of Secon
in the City and it's pretty in depth. I'm not
going to go through it, but if you have a chance,
you should read it. It's because they talk about the
reaction to the Sex and the City finale, talk about
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the reaction to this one. They talk about, you know,
how the cast and crew reacted to everything.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I listened to the Writer's Room podcast and I didn't
really I was trying to see how they was known,
what they had to say for themselves with that finale,
and it just I don't know the one cute Are
you ready to listen to carsh part two?
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, let's do it all right?
Speaker 5 (22:34):
Okay, Actually I have one more thing, and this is
maybe not the part that irked me the most in
the final episode, but the part to me that made
the most sense because it felt the most antithetical to
the very tenant, the very core of what Sex and
the City is, which is for women in friendship, living, laughing, loving,
all of that sort of stuff. So there's the bridal
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fashion show. Both Charlotte and Carrie show up with the
emotional support women of color, and while they're on you know,
the front row of the runway and the brides are
going through, each of the payers are having this conversation
this sort of like triatis and unpacking of marriage and
what that means. Carrie sort of divulges herself as the
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ultimate Pickbee girl. Surprise surprise to seem a Charlotte is
having this conversation with LTW and it's basically like even
through the bad, you know, love everything. And it just
felt weird that these four women were not talking in
concert with each other. You sort of had these two payers,
which were obviously two different sides of this particular issue,
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and they're not talking together. Although I probably guess the
four of them talking together on the front row of
a fashion show would be pretty disrespectful. But I don't know.
That part really kind of stuck out to me as
very anti sex in the City because we really don't
see that. We really just don't see them all together
like that, I mean, you know, Miranda. Notwithstanding that part
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also really kind of earth.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
From the episode.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, for me, I didn't see an issue with that.
And as I mentioned in our last episode, I'm in
a friend group and it's about four or five of
us and people everybody. It ain't always a conversation evolving
all four and five like everybody like people silo off
and sometimes it changes and you closer to one during
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this season of your life than you are this one,
like and so I looked at that as totally normal.
I also kind of pushed back on the notion of
Carrie being labeled as like the ultimate pick me and
the reason why I say that, yes, yes, yes, yes.
The reason why I say that is because I view
Carrie Bradshaw as one of the most complex TV characters ever.
(24:48):
Writ Yes, she can be simplified and reduced to her
worst moments, but I think that that moment. What I
really respected about that scene was that moment of vulnerability
because what Carrie did that scene and she said the
quiet part out loud. Most people in romantic relationships are
do certain things because they need to prove to themselves
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that they are worthy of being chosen. Whether that's be like,
I know, I just I think I just know too much,
like and is there any harm in that?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
No, no, no, no, I look.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
At her as a hopeless romantic. I don't look at
her as a pick me. I look at her as
a hopeless romantic.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Though then line then line, I mean, yeah, And I
think my only issue is that people were talking at
the show I mean I just felt, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, all four of them weren't going to be talking
across and they were having two different go ahead, sorry.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
You know, and for that to be the only scene
where they were all together.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Mm hmmmm hmm.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
You know, nobody pointed out go ahead, no, go ahead,
because I'm gonna jump.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
I was just saying that they they also were having
two different conversations because they were grouped off from two
different lived experiences. I think that if they had been
at Hot Fellas Bakery, that would have been more appropriate
for maybe Seema to take survey about what marriage is
like and get their input. But Carrie and Sema have
a lot in common, and LTW and Charlotte have a
lot in common. There's a reason why these women are
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grouped off and paired off in the ways in which
they are, And Miranda and Naya had a lot in
common as well.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
So yeah, now somebody said that they and I don't
know if we touched on this last episode, so I
was a little tipsy shout out to Mexico. Somebody said
that if Carrie was going to do this whole I'm
okay on my own, and that was going to be
the finale then it really should have ended with her
storming with that hair in that dress, going to meet
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the girls after she broke things off with Aiden. That
or just should have been the finale scene. She walked
in there. Yeah, she walked in there and they were
I can't remember which one it was exactly, but like
I saw those green shots. So she walked in there
and she went to hey, everybody, and she just like
sat down and the camera was outside the restaurant and
we couldn't hear what they were saying.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And then oh, yes, when they said that she when
people speculated that she was wearing Duncan's cardigan, yes, that scene,
that scene, yes, oh that would have been That.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Would have been cute.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
I didn't think about that, Yeah, I didn't think about that.
They should have spliced it that way. Well, I guess
I don't know how that would have made sense. But yeah,
I think that we were robbed of getting these women
all together and it and and if not all together
for the finale. We needed the main three, as I said.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Earlier, fellas and ended it there.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, it's got to be sexier than
hot Fellas. It needs to be something swinkier than than
than Anthony's Bakery with big dick.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Bakers like no, not for, not for, and just like that, no,
no better than what we got.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, I mean I didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I didn't.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I did not hate my My main critique is that
is wasted time with the bathroom. And I wanted to
know if Brady was the baby daddy. As part of
me to remarvelosses point, part of me, don't think he
is the baby daddy.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Then we'll never know.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
We'll never know. Our next one comes from Amber. We'll
listen to what she had to say.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
Hid very sure. Let's talk about this last episode. It
was complete trash.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
It was garbage.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
Why do we get so much toilette? Oh that's probably
where they were sitting when they were inspired by this
entire episode. Let me sit on the toilet and just
hash this out real quick.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
To end in an entire series, It ain't no sense.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
I totally agree with you.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
They had no idea that this show is ending. Maybe
they spent less time giving us flood episodes, and I
think would agree with me, like sister Mary Rose o'doalds
lost less being.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
We could have just moved on.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
I mean, could have gotten more plot, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
The next thing I want to talk about is you guys.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
You all have amazing, amazing chemistry. Your voices sound amazing.
The show is amazing. I don't care what do we
watch it next.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I will follow you guys to the next spot.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Denver, don't leave me hanging the way you would be
let this hanging before. Don't let this in you guys,
It's too good to be true.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Thanks again for everything.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
The woman was rendering speechless, Well well done.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
You take the for those kind of words. You know,
I don't where does that now? I agree with you.
Filler episodes trash. We should never have them. I should
have been out of here, you know, I think in
(29:56):
my difference, and I will go ahead and say, like
I would have done the He's Got Show until the
wheels fell off, But there are a lot of things
outside of our control. And you know when I when
Brian passed it, it just changed things, Like it's just
it's so without somebody who's such an integral part of
just the show. And it's just I don't know that
(30:20):
your producer, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And he.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Used to chime in occasionally on the yeah I remember.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Yeah, we were with them for years. You know. Wow.
You know then things sometimes when all things, all roads
lead to the same thing, and sometimes you just got
to get off, you know. But this isn't about that.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, so hilarious to me, I said, Amber was hilarious.
I mean that whole that whole story about the toilet,
and that's where they were when they wrote it. Like Amber,
you were, you were upset, and I mean, I feel
like we all share in the same sentiment. I think
the most upsetting I think we all can agree the
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most upsetting aspect of the series finale was the toilet
scene with Mark. It was just so like, I know,
who wants to get in the into the mechanics and
it and I should mention Denver it wouldn't have mattered
if that scene was placed in other episodes. We didn't
need it. And I saw someone comment I might have
(31:24):
read this on Blue Sky or Threads, but about like
how Sex in the City's writing the comedy was smarter
and for in just like that they like yes, slap
states literal pot Yes, where did did we read the
same thing? Well?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
No, I thought that was I don't remember dumb ass comedy.
I did laugh. I was laughing in context of like
a romance faux pa they mishap or right, it was.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
It was just a little bit smarter, you know, I
have you know, this is giving middle school cafeteria table humor.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Yes, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Thank you for that call, Amber, very very very sweet,
very very sweet words. And like I said, you were
fun me. That was funny. Okay, Now right, where were
you all? No, it's okay. And also I just want
to take time to shout out to everybody else that's
left comments on our Spotify, on our Apple podcasts, on YouTube.
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You all have been super active, and Denver and I
are so so so appreciative to have formed this little
community around this little rat show. It's it's good. It's good.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
A little engine that could our little engine cut.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Okay, now we have two messages from Charles. Let's listen
to what Charles had to say. Part one.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Hey, hopefully I didn't miss your recording. I just have
to say I don't. I don't think I've ever been
this letdown by a series finale maybe ever, like even
the Insecure finale. My issue with it was they could
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have spent that last season showing us how we got
to the end, but the ending itself was fine. This like,
I can't believe this is the last time we're going
to see these characters, and this is how they leave us.
This is what you give us. That bathroom scene, that
(33:41):
is I like, I I almost want to ask if
everyone in the writer's room is all right. I can't
believe they did us, Like, like, where is everyone? Why
isn't everyone at this table?
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Like what is this?
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I'm so disappointed and let down. I don't I don't know.
I'm like a week later, I'm still just really let down.
Y'all really did us like this lastly? Before my time
uns out? I just really want you guys to start
a podcast or keep going. It could be bi weekly,
once a month, quarterly. I am desperate anything you would
(34:20):
give us. Yeah, thank you for this.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Thank you, Charles, Charles, thank you. And I mean, listen,
it's a resounding I think the sentiment is echoing throughout
these speak pipes. Everybody's saying the same thing in their
own way, right, Yeah, yeah, I find that. Yeah, the
(34:48):
the toilet humor was just it wasn't It's a very
specific person that and yeah, like Denver and I have
been saying throughout this entire episode. What a way to
send off these beloved characters, possibly forever into the abyss.
We we don't know we'll ever see them again.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I would have preferred a time jump finale to that.
We got literal shit, like.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
If it would have started and been like five years later.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
You know, two years later, three years later, whatever, we
just picked up where they were. Carrie was by herself,
Miranda and Enjoy, you know, like, I would have much
preferred something like that. And I think had we known
it was gonna end, maybe we would have gotten that. Yeah,
because it seems like such a smarter way to have
ended that serious random thought.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
No, I agree, creatively, that also would have worked. I
love a good time jump, honey, because as I mentioned,
you know, when I was reflecting, you know, at the
top of this episode, when I was reflecting on like
the series as a whole, I think back to like
high school, college, hell, even first moving to LA and
it's like pieces on a chessboard. Things change, like you
(35:56):
know what I'm saying, The phone don't ring as much
with friends. I got two friends from middle school and
it used to be a group of five of us.
One dropped off in high school, and then the other
dropped off a few years ago, and it's just three
of us still from then. And then my college friends
are a little all over the place. Like I mentioned,
most of them are married and mothers, and the conversation
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look different on Saturday mornings when you're catching up the.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Group chat's real quiet these days, you know, like that
that's the main thing. I used to be running it
up day and day out. Now, yeah, ago weeks. You know,
somebody will send something that just nobody responds to. We
all read.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah, you know, I try to respond. I'm in a
few different group chats and I try to respond. This
is gonna sound terrible. The only group chat I'm a
little lazy around is I have a cousin's group chat,
and it's just a little too active sometimes. And then
like my immediate family, me, my mama, and my sisters
are in a group chat, and I don't have the
notifications on for that because I'm on West Coast time,
(36:58):
my sisters are on the East coast. Mama's in the Midwest.
So when when my phone's blowing up at five am
because they talking about the morning and the day, I
can't so the notifications are off for that, but I
try to respond on like in friend group chats. I
try to react, you know, and luckily Apple got you know,
you could give it a heart or a ha ha.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Oh you know it's funny. iOS twenty six is coming
out in like a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Oh, educate us.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Then they're going to add they're adding typing indicators for
group messages.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
What okay? What?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
What is it not like when you start to reply
to somebody and you can see the little three dots
to do, but it doesn't do that in group messages,
it will and it'll have like like dies for each person. Yeah, yeah,
that'll be nice. So if you start your reply and
it stop, which I do all the time, am I
going to respond to this? Maybe not especially in group
text because you will get caught up real quick.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Well what do you think about the I haven't tried this,
but tell me this is true with the whole Apple
thing with now, if you have someone's phone number blocked
and they like text you, it'll still go through as
delivered and blue and they don't know that they're blocked.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
No, I've seen conversation around this, but I never thought
to investigate. No, oh, okay, I don't have any numbers,
but well I do have a few numbers blocked. I'm
not gonna even lie. I ain't gonna even lie to y'all.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
I do. But if you have somebody blocked on your phone,
sometimes they will still go to your Apple Watch.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Oh, I know it's come through in this MacBook. I'm
talking to you all isn't blocked on my phone, but
it's I've cracked open this laptop and been like, I
know you are lying to me.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah. Yeah, they got to tighten that up.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Okay, let's listen to what Charles had to say Part two.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I'm sorry I had to. I had to come back
because I listened to the Writer's Room episode. Sometimes I
want to see what they think that they are doing,
or like their intention and they really think that they
be doing something, and you know, sometimes they do. It's
not all bad. Like I Also, I'm not a person
(39:14):
that hate watches this show. I really like these characters.
I've been watching, like I like this. This finale was
just so like, where where.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
This shit scene?
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Nobody wants to see that these rude ass young adults?
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Why are they here?
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Where is Seema, where's Adam? Why aren't they here?
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Where? Where's Naya?
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Where's LGW?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Where is what?
Speaker 3 (39:41):
What is this? It's nobody here? I yeah, I think
I'm joining the the growing thought that there's no way
this was a planned series finale. I refuse to believe it.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
There's no way.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Thank you, Charles. I love that Charles left two messages
with the same sentiment because we all were disturbed by.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
This, okay, and we want to know where the people
were justice for Professor.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
I guess now we can. We can tell people that
that's who we were in talks of getting on the
podcast last season was Karen Pittman aka who Denver affectionately coined,
and I've seen people used yes that time, which shout
out to Treyvelle. Treyvelle. It was last year Treyvell did
(40:32):
something I want to say about like with the NAACP
or whatever, and told Naya that that's what we refer
to her as she really yeah, oh good morning, Oh
good she knows she's aware.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I was literally about to say, I hope that she
doesn't take offense to that, because you know, I do
know her name. I just didn't and I couldn't when
we you know, when we first started this in spaces
in twenty twenty yeah two, that was.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Twenty twenty winter twenty twenty two. Was it twenty twenty one?
I think season one was twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Yeah, yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
It was like.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
December leading into January twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I just couldn't remember
her name. I just knew from the Morning Show.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
So, which, by the way, that comes back next month.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Did you see did you watch that trailer? Oh my god?
Speaker 3 (41:24):
That way.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
I'm such a fan of Karen Pittman and her work.
I was not able to get through What's that damn show?
Marl rock A Kiel Netflix Forever?
Speaker 3 (41:36):
No, I got through.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
I watched two episodes. I think that I'm still working
through some things, and it brought up it brought up
stuff for me. Yeah, yeah, it brought up some stuff
for me, and I was like, Yeah, this isn't the
show for me right now in this season I might
have to go back and rewatch it. But from what
I saw, there's not been anything that I've watched that
Karen Pittman has been in that I have not liked
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her performance in like, I really like her. I've never
interviewed her, she's never walked the carpet that I've that
I've worked, but I would love she just seems like
such a chill person.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, I loved her that I heard that she was just.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Like the perfect encapsulation and the perfect depiction of a
black mother. My modern day.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Shows like when they try to make affluent black women,
they make them try to like cosplay white women. Yeah,
it's not like that at all.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
So was she giving was she giving original Aunt Viv?
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yes, That's why I jokingly say when when people ask
about my mother, I say d from Moesha, original ant Viv.
My mom is like a strong Delta from the South,
a Delta woman from the South. That that's who I
was raised by. So if you want to know what
shaped and reared me, shout out to that lady. Okay,
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so we have two more and then where does our
last two speak pipes? As I mentioned, he opened the
show and he will be closing the show. So here's Marvelous.
I guess part two for him?
Speaker 4 (43:14):
Too High char High, Denver were Marvelous is back after
watching the finale and I am truly satisfied with the
way that left off because it was not an ending
or finale at all. It was a dot dot dot
and we get to choose how those characters walk away.
Sex and the City raised us on this idea of
wanting to be chosen, of wanting a partner, of craving
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a man, craving marriage, and not wanting to be alone,
And just like that showed us that there is life
after all that bullshit, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Why crave for Sex and the City when every day
is Sex and the City And I am Samantha Jones
and I do it better than her. Okay, shout out
to our girl Carrie doing what you do best and
(43:56):
a fabulous pair of heels, a fantastic hat and choosing
to be on her own rather than dwell on the
word alone Miranda and our girl Joy. That was a
beautiful lesbian ending to that storyline. LTW and mismade Marian Honey.
That was giving homegirls. That was giving Jenna do one
(44:18):
Tatum and Chanting Tatum and their lavender marriage. It was
not giving prelude to Poundtown. If anything, them too were
gonna go get Cosmos after that, Okay, are we sure
he's married to a woman, And if he is, y'all
know she's white, Okay, Seema picking picking, picking, picking, picking,
But I'm glad she picked that man and our girl,
Charlotte being funny, our MVP. It's been hard knowing that
(44:40):
I gotta say goodbye to you too.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
That's why I've been putting it off. But I'll be back.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
I mean, what what can we say? What can we say?
Speaker 2 (44:49):
What a positive outlook on everything, and I appreciate it
so much.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
Yes, what a.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Different angle we've all been up and Remarvelous says that
that episode was in the li I will say this,
if they have a bring these characters back, we need
some time. We need some time. They can't come back.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
I should Do you think they should?
Speaker 1 (45:10):
I don't think. I don't think that they shouldn't. I
don't either, But it makes me sad in that, Like,
you know what, I know if i'd be I don't
know if i'd be excited if I saw a press
release saying that they were going to do well. I
feel like if they brought these characters back, it would
have to be a movie, and I feel like it
(45:30):
would be a made for TV or one of the
direct to streamer movies. It would not be in theaters.
I don't see them doing a series ever again. And
I don't see them doing a theater release movie ever again.
It would be like down to the Hulu, down to
down to the Netflix, down to I mean down to
HBO Max.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
I mean, I don't know. I mean I would enjoy,
like in a perfect world off like a dream. I'd
wake up and then be like, you know what, we
lie one more season ban demanded because you know, we
realized we weren't done yet, you know, the final season,
and they gave us and they gave us like and
(46:11):
they gave us like a proper final season, and they
just wanted balls to the wall, you know, like big budget.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Big weren't there reports that s JP was like, bitch,
I'm not done with this yet.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, yeah, allegedly something I'm holding out hope. But I mean,
that's that's what I would want to see, A tight
eight episodes go ahead. I don't care how much. I
don't know how we get oh Girl back, but just
at least for finale finale, you know what I mean, like.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Happy birthday to her. I think today is Kim Catrell's birthday.
I think today, look it up real quick if you can.
I think today is Kim Cotrell's birthday. August twenty first,
I know it's Loretta Devine's birthday. Leo season is ending,
thank god, come on, virgo.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Not too much on my people yet. But it is today,
August first.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah, I could have sworn. I saw her come down
my my Instagram timeline with a glass of champagne.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Shout out to the mid nineteen hundreds, shut out to.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Kim Katrell, Thank you for that, Remarvelous. I still maintain
I do think that Marion is married to a white woman.
But I still maintained that there was sexual tension and
energy there. Marion and LTW did not give me home
girls going out for Cosmos. There was there was a severe.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Shut Yeah, okay, I think we all moved a bit
with the I it jumped.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
We all did a seat adjustment with the papios. Okay.
And here's Marvelous the final time, Part three for one,
Final Time.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
High Denver High Share.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Now.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
Sure, I know you said try and keep it to two,
but Marvelous had to come back and make it a
three for three.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
My birthdays and two weeks of.
Speaker 4 (48:00):
Nomber three thirty five and fucking fabulous, so we're gonna
call it a birthday gift. And I had to come
back and say goodbye to my babies, my sisters, because
no joke, y'all, saying goodbye to the show is one thing,
but the thought of saying goodbye to y'all. And the
other night, I was drying, even crying. The other day,
it's not coming down my nose. I had to lay
(48:20):
down and take a nap and just sleep it off
because I was like, I do not like saying goodbye
to my family. I'm gonna stand firm on the fact
that I love the finale. I do not like goodbyes.
I don't watch the finale of the Golden Girls for
a reason. I have not watched the finale of the
Office for a reason. I'm not trying to say goodbye
to y'all. I like to see it and I like
(48:40):
to leave it just as is a dot dot Jock
is fine with me, and I embrace that.
Speaker 3 (48:46):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
I stand firm on the mismade Marian Hill that Nigga
was not into that lady. If he was trying to fuck,
he would have fucked Okay, that is a fluid man
with his dangly earring, just like he is in real life.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
We was all trying to give him some KOCHI.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
We were all over to throw it Adam. Come on, now,
we're not eracing bisexuality like Miss Diego. Y'all know he
dumped Lilly for the boyfriend. Okay, Denver, I've been rocking
with you since the Beat Scott Show on Facebook. Shout
out to mother, thank you for introducing me to my
sister where I met sure on cocktails with Denver.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
I love you too, hope to see you soon.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
It's almost as if we're Marvelous is listening to us
in real time, because what the hell was?
Speaker 2 (49:27):
What the hell?
Speaker 1 (49:29):
I just shouted out, Virgos, Happy birthday thirty five. This
is such a transformative year. Happy early birthday to you.
Were Marvelous. We are going to miss you. And for
what it's worth, the Golden Girls finale was so good,
as was The Office. But I'm interested in I love
the ellipsis approach that Marvelous takes.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, you know what. To his point, I don't watch
a lot of finales either for shows I love it.
I'm still going to watch the Modern finale, Modern Family finale.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Really No, that's because nothing.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
Really, it takes me a long time to watch finales.
I'll go back and watch the year later.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
Yeah, I'll be rushing to watch the finale. I don't
Maybe that's the earth sign in me. I don't know. Well,
Marvelous is also an earth sign, so I don't know.
I think that. First of all, I just I mean,
I know I expressed this sentiment earlier, Denver, and I
are so grateful for y'all and and so deeply appreciative
for these interactions, and Marvelous, you are someone that definitely
(50:36):
kept us on our toes because we never know what's
going to come out of your mouth.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
We just know it is such a light. It's such
a light. And just thank you for money, I think
everyone for listening. Actually so so funny, sad. That's where
I get all emotional because I feel like it's I.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Know, I know, I know, well, uh man, So Denver,
before we get out of here, Before we get out
of here, I do want to know what's up? What
have your thoughts on your character?
Speaker 2 (51:10):
My eyes right already that you I was gonna cry.
I'm not good. Good byes.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Y'all have your thoughts on the character that you once
said that you related to the most. Have they changed
now that the series finale has aired, or are you
still sticking to I forgot who I said that you
you were most like, I know you told me Charlotte,
and I was so offended, but then I ended up
(51:38):
and when I when I zoomed out, I was like, damn, damn.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, I'm trying to think who I wouldn't be because
I feel like my life is taken on so many
different mm hmm journeys and rivers, and you know, it's
flowed in a thousand different ways. No, I mean I don't.
(52:04):
I don't think I picked one then, and I don't
know if I can really pick one now.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
I feel like I picked one for you. I wish
I would have went back and listened. I definitely, I
mean she wasn't really in the series, but I mean, Samantha.
I look at you as a Samantha just with and
I don't say that with like a hyper sexual lens,
but your your fiery approach to life has always been
(52:31):
very intentional, but also like you are so good at
shrugging things off, and I feel like that's a trait
that Samantha had where she didn't let things stick to
her for too long. And so that's who I would
say for you. As I mentioned, I remember you told
me I was leaning more so towards Miranda, because that's
always what I had heard, like when I was to
(52:53):
your point about changing when the movie. When I saw
the movie, I was like, oh, I relate to Samantha
the most, and then as I went throughout my life,
I was like, I'm definitely a Miranda kind of like
this stiffler, this stickler. And then when you told me Charlotte,
I remember being so offended because I did not see it.
And then, like I said, I zoomed out. And there
(53:13):
was an instance that happened which I shared with you
years ago. This was when you had told me like
that same summer, a friend had said something and I
reacted in a very Charlotte way. A friend was telling
a story about something they did, and I mean we
were private, it wasn't like a react and I was like,
oh my god, that fucking Denver is right. And I
think that's also why I related so much to LTW
(53:35):
sacrifice with her and being best friends and dealing with Herbert,
I just see a lot of myself, and also of
course with the whole writer aspect.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Well, I mean there's a certain like pragmatism to Miranda,
But even with Charlotte, there's like a whimsical pragmatism, if
you will, you know what I mean. It's a traditionalist
to a degree, to a degree, but she's not afraid
to expand that boundary she sees fit. Yeah. Well, Denver,
(54:05):
well damn it, you got the co host.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
This has been an incredible this is what four years.
I remember when we wrapped season two and I was like, bitch,
I cannot wait till twenty twenty five, Like, what the hell,
what is the world going to look like? I remember
because remember the last time we did this show was
the summer of Renaissance. We were having very different convers
it was a very different It was a very different time.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Which I ended that episode that season. I was in Greece.
I was having the time of my life.
Speaker 1 (54:35):
I think I went back to Palm Springs. We did
an episode. You were in Greece. I was in Palm Springs. Yeah,
and yeah, this has been incredible. Having the opportunity to
work with you in this capacity. I know everybody has
commented on our chemistry. That's how we knew this was
going to work because in the Twitter space, yeah, we
(54:56):
kept we got the same feedback and so we again,
I can't emphasize enough. I'm struggling to find the words,
but we are deeply I think I speak for the
both of us. Yeah when I say that, we are
incredibly moved by you all, and this has been a
fantastic journey and thank you all. I mean leaving a
speak pipe that takes work to put your voice on
(55:16):
the record like that and live forever in the podcast.
Speaker 2 (55:22):
Yeah, oh Denver, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good, I'm good. Yeah, no, listen,
as far as I know, we get a lot of
comments about doing another show and keeping it going. Yeah,
and you know, I just feel like you never know,
you know, like.
Speaker 1 (55:40):
You never know, lightning has to Yeah, we both have
to of course have some conversations, but but the interest
has to be there, you know, like the motivation around
whatever the topic would be.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
And so.
Speaker 2 (55:56):
Yeah, I would want to do it. I wouldn't want
to do it, just do it, you know.
Speaker 1 (55:59):
No, I made a promise with myself. I'm not dragging
my feet to do nothing. I'm not doing nothing unless
I want to, especially extracurricular like this. And so with
that being said, to preserve because Denver, your face is
turning really red.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
I holding it back.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
With that being said, and just like that, it is
time to say goodbye. We want to thank you all
for an incredible journey, and you don't know where we'll
pop up. So and in the words of Remarrvelous, this
is not or in the words of Oprah Winfrey when
she ended her show, this is not goodbye, This is
(56:35):
not farewell. This is until we meet again.
Speaker 2 (56:40):
Bye, y'all, yall,
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