Easy Breezy

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, hey, it's sure and we're just like that. Welcome
to the unofficial recap podcast for Max's original series, and
just like that, we're so excited. Denver, You're ready, I'm ready,
all right, So let's get things started. Hey, hey, so

(00:24):
we are back for season three, episode three. Denver's joining
me this week. Happy to see your face?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, I know, I'm happy to see yours. And surprise everyone,
we have video.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Right, surprise, surprise. We're trying, you know, we're trying new things.
You know, we're three episodes in. It's never too late
to try different things. Last week, you were traveling. This week,
I am traveling. I'm in Miami, Florida. It's very you
said what.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm so jealous.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Oh it's good, Denver's I'm loving the humidity. You can
see my hair is a little bushy and ununiformed. And
I'm here for for the American Black Festival. I got
some work to do, but I mean I carved out
time while adjusting to this damn three hour time change,
to watch our girls and watch last night's episode, Carrie
go lightly. And so before we start, before we launch

(01:14):
into the conversation, I'm curious to know what were your
thoughts about last week's episode.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
It was very as I know we talked a bit offline.
It was very poetic. It was very poetic. Yeah, I'm
very happy to see the introduction of the hot gardener.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I forget this, Yes, Adam, I think it's Adam.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm very happy to see him.
And I think that last week's episode set up this
episode very nicely. I feel like there's a long continuation,
so I'm excited to get into it. And I want
to pause you before we start. Are you sure you
can hear me because I have like three microphones here
and I have this one clipped to my MacBook.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yes, I can hear you. I can hear you through
my headphones. Just fine.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
A lot of that sounds decent, straight and all that
you do.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
You sound great, great to me, friend. What I will
say is that I still maintain that we did not
need the premiere. Last week could have been the premiere.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
No, absolutely, can we agree.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
On that, like last week could have.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
It was a complete waste.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, it's it's ten weeks, but so here we are.
And also I don't have any like updates, like you know,
there's no updates aside from what we talked to. So
let's just launch officially into the episode like I mentioned,
and just like that season three, episode three, Carrie Go Lightly,
we see Carrie talking to our friend Amanda, the publisher,
and she reveals that she is currently writing and she's

(02:41):
exploring fiction instead of memoir, as we kind of like predicted,
because Carrie's been speaking in third person this whole season
so far, when she's every time she's in front of
her MacBook.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, I will say I did not expect it to
be a period peace.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
I know, okay, fair me either me either. I wonder
I hope we get an answer as to why it's
a period piece, because those are two different things. Like,
you're doing a memoir. It sounds like a love story,
but why not keep it modern and along the same
things that you've been writing about as you've been giving
us these memoirs in real time, you know, up to
speed with what you got going on. Yeah, it's in

(03:20):
the eighteen forties.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Of course, my natural question is do this woman has slaves?

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Well, it is New York, so it could be a
fifty to fifty chance. I do love that that Amanda.
She threw out a title about like you know what's
in right now, all of the fantasy and the fairies,
and maybe Carrie's next book could be titled Sex and
the Cauldron. Oh my god, oh chadwife moment, Oh god,

(03:47):
please please now Denver, that's that's another podcast. Okay, I
come here to escape. I come here to escape.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I know, I know it.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
So then Amanda informs Carrie of speaking requests that she has,
because you know, Carrie doesn't like to be the avon
lady for her books. But she informs her that Google
wants to fly her out to Pollo Alto for an
employee event. South By Southwest in Austin wants Carrie for
like a fireside chat to be in conversation with maybe
some of her favorite authors, and there's a panel coming

(04:17):
up in Williamsburg, Virginia. What did you think about this
when when.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, my girls definitely went off, but also which I
didn't know Carrie was in demand like that, I'm like
Google south By, like okay, like you're kind of the
big deal.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
I guess we don't see enough of her work to
really kind of understand like where she sits in the space.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
You know, But but we did get a glimpse last
season when she wrote her memoir. Remember she was wasn't
it last season she was struggling to do the audiobook?
Or was that first season because remember she got like
an award. I can't remember if that was last season
or first season, but she got some big award last
and in previous season. So we saw how her career

(04:58):
has kind of like, you know, and I would hope
as a woman in her mid fifties that she'd be
doing pretty well in comparison to her early thirties when
she was just a columnist running around town.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah. I mean, I think in my mind, like after
Big died and she got all that money, she was
kind of like doing it for funzies, you know what
I mean? No, really, yeah, trying to make a living
in hustle. I thought she was just you know, the
white woman doing a book, which.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I forgot all about that. I forgot she got that
life insurance policy from Big because Natasha got some money too, right,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
She's gonna buyd that house off of book money, true.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
The Grammarcy house that they ain't offer them books and columns.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
God though, But.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Then you see Carrie Garry takes an interest Carrie takes
an interests in the Virginia date, and Amanda teases her
about it, like, uh, did we just have a glitch
in the system? Because Carry goes what's wrong with Virginia
and Amanda goes, well, I guess you're going to find out,

(05:56):
which I looked at as every time, Like the writing
is so like, is this supremonition? Because people I love
that the writing is like so specific but yet vague
at the same time. I don't know what adjective is
to describe that, but it could it's a blank They
do a lot of blanket statements that could be applicable, Yes, ominous,
they could be applicable to more than one situation. So

(06:22):
then we get the next scene. Anthony is at the
Bakery Honey and he is hosting a soft opening with
Carrie and Miranda and Charlotte is there and Seema as guests,
and Carrie tells the girls that she's going to Virginia
next week for a writer's conference, and since she'll only
be an hour away from Aiden, she's going to breeze
through for a lunch with him. Sure, I've been concerned

(06:45):
about I've been concerned about her and Aiden because it
seems like Carrie and I talked about this last week's
episode as someone who and I wasn't clear about like
the conditioning, and I feel like, gosh, I'm struggling with
my words right now. I feel like it's one of
those things where you have to be very very careful

(07:05):
if you don't have clear communication with a partner, because
it can really veer into manipulation so easily. Absolutely when
it comes to like, oh, I'm giving him his space
that he asked for, I'm giving, but clearly she's not
safe or happy like.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Sill gonna go close to him and see what happens,
like it's like a test, right, it's.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Right instead of just saying it like you mean it,
communicate your wants and needs clearly, but in fairness she
did last episode, and he still dropped the ball with
that damn emoji, like they had that conversation in the kitchen.
I just think that Aiden, and I said last episode
that I don't like Aiden for Carrie, and I want
them both to end this and move on. He's they're
not at a place right now where it's making sense.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
No, especially to do this for five years.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
No no, no, no, no no no, no, no, no, no, so but.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
How fellas, I will say, I like Theothics. I want
one for Halloween. For Halloween, but I think that would
be so fun like and that's all. That's all. They
do A pop up in New.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
York, yes, God, with like merchants stuff.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
I'm like, I hope they, I guess make those outfits
because I like, I really won't wane.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Oh, Denver, I'm sure you can get one custom made there.
There's just something denim Onesies.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
I know you're right.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
I love that, you know the la the Angelino in
you is already thinking about Halloween, and in fairness, I
was like, maybe I should just get like invest in
like some really good like Vampire Teeth, and pop some
contacts in and go around asking people can I come in?
I was inspired by Sinners. So I don't know where
I'm gonna land. Hopefully we will have a Halloween this year.

(08:39):
I don't I don't know what things are going to
look like. But it's so funny to me. It just
it speaks to the Angelino in you that it's June, right,
and it's like the second week.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Of June gay Christmas.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
You have to start and you do have to start
thinking about because you got to get that head start.
You gotta start purchasing things and and make sure you
got your rentals and stuff if you're renting a costume.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Like and let's be real, like the year moves fast.
It's June now, but little blink and it will be September,
and we're like, what are we gonna do?

Speaker 1 (09:05):
No, I know, I know. Let me breathe. Okay, let
me breathe, because you're right, we're two weeks out from
like fourth of July, so like.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
No Hamburgers, no thing is ready.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
So then we get, like I said, there at this
soft launch and Carrie tells Carrie tells the girls that
she's going to Virginia next week for a writer's conference
and she'll be only away. I just mentioned this that
she's going to breathe through for lunch. And the girls
love this idea. Seema ask Carrie, why don't you just stay?
But Carrie doesn't seem to want to. She doesn't want
aiden to feel like she's invading his face, which is

(09:42):
kind of what we just spoke to.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, she's also filled the shit because she does.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, she does. Carrie is such a lover girl. She wants
to stay.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Tell My favorite thing about this scene in particular is
that people is on her phone that entire I guess lunch,
uh huh, everybody just cos she's just.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I didn't notice that. Yeah, what's it to you? I didn't.
I did not even notice that. But so yeah, no farmhouse,
no noise, just lunch, easy breezy. I noticed, And I'm
sure you noticed that. That's a thing for this episode
is easy breezy Carrie. And I also said last week,
it does not serve you to be the cool girl.

(10:27):
Say it like you mean to say you're wanting your knees.
It doesn't. It doesn't serve anyone to be the easy
breezy girl. You should you should feel safe enough in
relationships to clearly communicate and if it's and have the
courage where if your communication is not being met with
uh with with with changed behavior or at least attempts
and change behavior, have the courage to maybe exit stage left.

(10:48):
Especially But I also get it, though, Denver, because remember
last week's episode, Like I feel like Carrie, there's a
comfort in like remember less set was kind of like
complaining about the dating apps, and like how there's pool
and I mean, there's p in the dating pool now
and things like that. So I think there's a familiarity
of like revisiting with Aiden and it's like a safe

(11:10):
choice for Carrie because she does. There's no risk involved
because this is familiar piece, a familiar personality, even though
there are two different.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Well, I think it's familiar chaos. I mean, I think
it's more so like if you're going to be going
through it with someone, you're at least going to go
through with.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Somebody who you you kind of dragged with that familiar chaos.
Familiar might need to sit with that.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, that's chaos. But like I'm the Stuart, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, right right, you kind of just snatched me. I
need to take a beat. You kids just snatched me
up with that. I wasn't expecting familiar chaos, but that
that is essentially what what it's giving. So then we
see Anthony flashing because you know, business people are not
interested in this bread. He's like, you know, our carbs
out again. But in fairness, I can't imagine that opening

(11:58):
a bakery, opening in restaurant would be easy, but a
bakery in particular, something about it feels I guess for
me a bit disjointed. I don't have that big of
an investment in my bread, like I have no no
qualms going down to the costco or to the whole
foods or what have you and just getting a loaf
of bread.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
From there. There's a branding disconnect, Like sure, the idea
of Hot Fella's, hot guy is serving something is great,
but like hot guys need to serve something that people want,
you know what I mean, Like, sure, I don't care
how hot you are, nobody's going for bread. To your point,
I feel like hot fellas you know, coffee or it's
just it's a branding step for me.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
And and to your point, also, he's he's opened this
in a in a prominent area that's, you know, blocks
away from the school that LTW and Charlotte's kids go to.
And I was thinking as you were speaking, I was like, well,
why didn't he open this in more like a gay district.
But you know, just as well as I know that
gay ends certainly ain't going to go get loaves of
bread and croissants.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
No do Hot Fellow's. Macha.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, it's a.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Branded nice coffee or something.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, yeah, and then the server you could also still
serve the bread there. But if he shifted the focus
and made it about beverages or hot hot fella's Panini's saying,
do you know something different? You know, yeah, because I
also don't see the room moms connected, Like the uniforms
are very queer forward, so I also don't see like

(13:24):
forty year old moms being like, oh I have to
get in there to get my loaf of bread.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
No, it's very like PDR STRIPPERG type. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
I do enjoy those bread handles though, to get into
the to get into the bakery. So then but yeah,
like I said, Anthony's fussing about this, carry extends an
invitation to the girls for them to join her in Virginia,
but no one wants to. They either can't or they
don't want to. But Miranda offense to catsit, I mean
offers to cat sit, and you know, like no one's

(13:56):
interested in going to Williamsburg, Virginia, like Sima says, I
don't even go to Williamsburg, Brooklyn, bitch, like I'm not
going to Williamsburg, Virginia there, So then do you want
to take a break here?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, let's do it yea, all right, and we're back.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
We are back. Carrie then gets a call from Kathy,
Aiden's wife. Now, I was dying. I could not wait
to do our show today because I had to talk
to you specifically about this. Okay, So she gets the call,
and before we get to the reason why Kathy is calling,
can we talk about how Sema clocked Carrie for having

(14:34):
Kathy in her phone as Aiden's wife. Language matters, that
weird language matters.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
There's no way I'm dating a man and you know,
for whatever reason, if I have to be in communication
or have his ex's number, that they're going to be
listed in that way that does not involve past tense.
Dear Carrie.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Well, it's interesting because later in the episode, Carrie makes
a comment and I don't want to go too far ahead, yeah,
where she says that she's the fourth person in his life,
and I was like, well, who was the other? Then
I thought back to the wife.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Oh, okay, yeah, she trying to clocked her own tea
with that. She did, she didn't, she said the quiet
part out loud with that, but yeah, nevertheless, So so Kathy,
Aiden's wife calls and it's interesting that she saved her
number in that way. And also I should mention, what
do you all think about this? Speakpipe dot com slash

(15:36):
we're just like that, what do you think about this?
So this lady calls Carrie because she wants Carrie to
bring adderall with her. She knows Carrie's coming down and
she wants her to bring adderall. She says it's for Wyat.
And in my notes in real time, I just have
two dashes and I said weird request it was because

(15:56):
it was weird, like we don't even get down like that,
and you're asking me to smoke drugs across state lines.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
And why wouldn't aiden call if there were that much
of a necessity for.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
For exactly exactly? She has not had any communication. I mean,
we're as viewers were led to believe that she based
on how she looked at her phone when this call
was coming through. She of course assumed something had happened
or something was wrong. She hasn't had any communication with
this woman, and now she's calling her personally to request
drug stuff for Wyat because she can't find it anywhere.

(16:28):
And I guess there's a nationwide uh oh, where did Denbar.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Go I just quit on me. Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah? I just paused. I said, oh where did denbar?

Speaker 2 (16:47):
God? It just blanked, all right, And.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
You know, just saying we were just saying just how
much of a strange request? And of course bear with
this is our first time doing this, and we're not
together in person. It's easier if we're together in person.
But whatever, it's a weird request and there's a national shortage,
and so she said, I was just I cannot see you.

(17:17):
I can hear you, though, but your box is still there.
It's like on FaceTime when you turn off your camera.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Okay, well at least I'm still.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Now I can see you.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Wait, hold on, I know that's a shitty camera. Can
you see me now?

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Cool? All right? Continue.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
So then this lady Kathy, the ex wife, tells Carrie.
I was just thinking you're in New York and you're
well connected. And Carrie's like, yeah, bitch to restaurants and
sample sales unless product makes adderall.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
What the fuck is going on?

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I can still hear you, I can't see you.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
I know. I'm so perturbed, but you know what, that's
okay in one second, I don't want to keep this center, I'm.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Gonna I to do a song and dance.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
No, I might just keep it in give like fifteen seconds,
because that is why we have multiple cameras.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
All right, yeah, and looking good?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Thanks?

Speaker 1 (18:21):
All right, So do you want me to pick up
or we're gonna keep going.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
We'll just keep going, keep going, Okay.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
So yeah, Carrie's like, yeah, it's to restaurants and sample
sales unless product makes adderall Like, that is just such
a strange request. I'm not like a pusher. Shout out
to Katie Herron, like, I'm not a pusher just because
I live in a major city and you're in small
town Virginia. Just strange, strange thing was strange.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I wouldn't I would not have even entertained.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
It, no shade, I don't think I would have either.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
And furthermore, I would have gone off the phone and
called Aiden and been like, uh so what is this about?

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Good point?

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Good point, Like what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Good point, fantastic point.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
I didn't even think that You're not gonna say like
we're in like minimal contact. But then your wife be like,
get some drugs for my kid.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Mm hmmm, you need to do some housekeeping fantastic point fantastic.
So then Carrie goes back into the restaurant, well, the bakery,
and she tells the girls and apparently it is true
that there's a shortage of this adderall and LTW and
Charlotte both way in on what it's like, like people
are losing their minds to get to get access to
these you know, supplements, these drugs, these ADHD meds rather

(19:31):
for their kids. Like people are losing their minds, you know,
about getting it. And so Charlotte aka Griselda, okay, she
goes over there and settle them. Okay, a real pusher,
the multi talented Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
And I kind of live for it. Actually you need too,
I really do.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Which is so funny when I watched this scene, because
I watched it, of course, I watched it last night
and watched it again early this morning. But I went
to a comedy show. ABFF has a comedy show every
year spotlighting and showcasing comics, and one of the comedians
made a joke about, uh, it was about like what's
going on in politics and deportations and drug dealers. He said,
the real drug dealers are twenty three year old white women.

(20:13):
They got access to everything. And so when he made
that joke, and then last night when I was watching this,
and I was like, look at this, not twenty three
year old white woman, but this white woman. Nonetheless, no
one would think that, you know, these types of conversations
grans are all. But if it can if these conversations
can happen about aderall, they could happen about any substance,
just happening them down at the Hot Fella's Bakery. And

(20:35):
just like that, she didn't even CHARLTTE, didn't even have
to put up a fight, and she instantly had access.
And so I thought that was funny.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
In the room, yes, she'd have to send a text.
Shouldn't have to know the girls in the room, and
the room and the root comfortable enough to walk over there?

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Uh huh Yeah. And so I love that Carrie, Like,
once it got all settled, Carrie was like art expert, mom, influencer,
drug kingpin, what can't she do? Classic carry writing? There,
that's just a classic carry line.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
I love that it is.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
So now we get LTW. Okay, now we get LTW.
She's back at work and her editor Grace, reveals that
she got a job offer from Steve McQueen, and she's
going to take the job, leaving LTW as she should. Okay,
we're going to talk about this, but she's leaving LTW

(21:28):
in a pinch halfway through her documentary project. And LTW
does not take it well. She doesn't react well. And
she mentions as they're talking this out, she mentions that
they've been working on this project for eight years, and
Grace shoots back and says, but it was supposed to
be one and so it took longer to get done
because of the sacrifices that LTW has made for her family.

(21:52):
I want to put a pin in that, because this
is a never ending conversation. I've been talking about this
for the past season season too. I've been seeing trouble
on the horizon. I love Herbert, I love LTW. I
love the Black Family unit, but there is that woman.
To me, this marriage is a reflection of so many
where it's the woman making all the sacrifices. This man

(22:15):
can go off and be comptroller and running around and
do down at the Red Rooster and all this stuff,
and she is their sacrifices. She's a successful woman who's
making formidable strides in her career, but at what at
what cost?

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Right? Right?

Speaker 1 (22:30):
So I noted that, but I wanted to talk to you.
Let let's talk.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
About it, get into it.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
What because we both agree that Grace should take this job.
But also I think that LTW is entitled to her feelings.
Like it's kind of fucked up.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I mean, yeah, again, I'm trying to jump ahead because
I think everything I want to say is it comes later, okay,
But I do understand the frustration, and I think a
lot of it was just the initial shock, you know. Yeah,
And I think that to your point, she deserves to

(23:07):
feel that way.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
It was a little harsh, But if I were a
girl Grace, I would have done the same thing.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah, And no, Shay, she just don't have to feel
a way. This is Stephen McQueen. I'm sure the coin
is sick.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
But even in the care that she took in being like, hey,
I'm doing this, here's a list of suitable replacements, like,
she went ahead and did some of the league work
for her, which I think is very thoughtful. And I
think that speaks to you know, the person Graces, and
if you trust Grace and you trust her decision making
the trust that she's making the right decision for herself
this time.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
You know, Anna shows that that Grace really likes and
respects her, because she could have just left, She could
have just said my last day's Friday. It shows that
there's a degree of likability and respect there for LTW.
So and you're right, she it was the initial shock
and maybe LTW didn't and it happens. We're human. She
didn't zoom out and look at the bigger picture because

(23:58):
she's caught off guard. She's coming off of high with
being with the girls. She got fresh croissants from from
the bakery. She's coming off that high and then being
met with And we should also mention that Grace primed
her like, well, I'll take a croissant because it's it's celebrating.
It's celebratory over here, so.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
She's expecting it and it was for her.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
What did you think? I thought that she was going
to say that we got Michelle Obama. That's what I
thought that Grace was going to tell her.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
I thought Grace is going to tell her that the
project has been dropped or they lost funding or something.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Well, Dember, what reason would that be to celebrate?

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I don't know. I don't think I was really paying
attention during that initial part, Like I was, I was
taking notes, so I think I was writing and like
I missed the whole croissant thing. And so she said
I have some news and I'm like, oh, oh.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, so was our next scene we get Charlotte. This
is a quick one. There's two back to back like
jump scenes. Charlotte is at work with coffee, talking to
her younger coworkers and they had a long night last night, okay,
they were out selling Artarlotte is kind of gad she
ended her night at nine pm. She's kind of gad
because she's like, you know, they they earned commission, and

(25:07):
it's showing that this younger generation they do things a
little bit differently than when Charlotte first entered the conversation
and entered the job field of being an art curator
and selling this art. So they're doing they're going above
and beyond. They're going past office hours.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
It's beyond, it's beyond.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
But they're also they're also you know, killing two birds
with one stone. They get to dip and do it,
as Wendy would say, and also earn commission because they're pushing.
They're they're able to sell the art. I mean they're multitasking.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
I mean that's I mean that's most sales positions, no shade, Yeah,
like real estate functions that way.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, there's lots of dinners.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
And dinners and after things other things.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
And love to that because I have some relatability. I
know you said, you know there was some comparisons between
Charlotte and I last season, and I'm like, wow, I
feel kind of seen by my chaotic sister. Yeah, and
in this episode, but so yeah, so then we get that.
Then our next scene, Carrie and Miranda are building a
kiddy condo for shoe and Carrie gave Miranda, Carrie gave Miranda.

(26:17):
Oh also I love that. Miranda was like, don't you
think this is a bit much? And Carrie's like, baby,
this is my only child. I didn't say nothing about
when he was getting Brady all of them motherfucking hot
wheels and legos, and well.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Here's what pissed me off. Okay, I know Carrie has
enough money for white glove delivery and assembly. Why is
she putting this together?

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Because the way I see it is, even though sometimes
you have access to that convenience. Sometimes maybe it's maybe,
as the kids say, it scratches her brain to be
able to put something together. Maybe she needs a distraction
from writing about the eighteen forties and thinking about this
crumbling relationship with Aiden.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I know it's gone on and picked like a hot
task rabbit to just come in and do it.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
In fairness, Denver, it didn't look like they were struggling
like they were just. It would have been different if
they were doing this and couldn't find the monkey wrench
and and didn't know what in the bolt was. But
they were just they were just you know, wow, Wow,
that's layered. That's layered up what you're putting down. But

(27:22):
in this conversation, Carrie gives Miranda a key to her place,
and she said that she gave Adam a key. This
is gardener, Adam a key so he can have access
to the garden. And when she gave Adam the key,
she realized that Aiden doesn't even have a key. Now,
I said, okay, here we go, Here we goes there,
this is there. He's only and we learned in this

(27:44):
conversation that he's only been there twice. And I thought
to myself, if Aiden didn't have a key. How to
hell did he surprise Carrie last episode?

Speaker 2 (27:51):
How did he get in that kitchen door?

Speaker 1 (27:54):
So I was also wondering, I said, where was the
alarm that time? Anytime the door opened? As someone who
is who grew up with alarms? Anytime a window or
door opened, ding ding ding, fault front door, like.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
And now they come to your phone. So I don't
even know.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Oh please, I am so glad. My mom is still
an alarm diva. And when I tell you her favorite
channel is surveilling her home, I don't know her and
my aunts they love. I'm like, why are you like,
I'm just looking at the mail be delivered and see
what you know? You can see what the neighbors are doing.
If I kind of strange, will you? Yes? They are

(28:31):
when you lived on that other floor.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yeah, hello, this this one's also there was.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
That incident that took place and I didn't know if
I was going to get bullets or biscuits, as you're
in a nice building, a premier building, I know, but
I said it to say. The the joke I was
making was I was thinking about like I would not
have survived, like I was out here living in the
fast Lane as a team. And I would not have

(28:57):
survived with camera surveillance. It was hard enough having that
damn alarm, Say, didn't you know trying to turn it
off and sneak and do it? Those buttons are so
noisy you can't mute them.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Let let alone like the tracking and the apps and
the location.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
God no, yeah, I would have been cooked. But nonetheless,
so she, like I said, she gave Miranda this this key,
and yeah, Aiden doesn't even have a key. So when
she goes to lunch with him, when Carrie goes to
lunch with him, her plan is to give him a key,
a key to our house. Okay, Carrie sister is still Delulu.

(29:36):
She's still Delulu. In this conversation, Miranda reveals that she
asks that she asks Joy, the BBC producer, out, but
not on an official date, just for Happy Hour, under
the under the guise of wanting some on camera coaching
trips tips. Excuse me, I look at that as a date.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
I mean Carrie clocked it. She said, do you really
have to play these games?

Speaker 1 (29:57):
And then Miranda clocked her.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Miranda clock she did, But I mean I was kind
of thinking the same thing, like Miranda, girl, just ask
her out. If you want to ask her out.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Well, Denver, you may disagree, which I'm sure you will.
Last episode, I said, I totally agreed with Miranda. I
am not someone who necessarily believes in romance in the workplace.
I saw Carrie's argument because yes, people meet at work
all the time. I know couples that are engaged and
are married and met at work, and I'm not cutting

(30:27):
myself off to that. I just don't think I would
initiate it. And like Miranda said last episode, it's something
we're to go left. She can't just not go to
the guacamole restaurant like what happened with the waitress, Like
you have to. There are people in my industry that
I have been had dealings with, and I'm like, we
don't even work together, but we do some of the
same things that.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
This is a BBC girl, right, yeah, and Miranda's not.
So do they really like work together. It's not like
Marinda's going to the office and seeing her every day because.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
She's from across the pond. But it's like still we
don't know, like their their email correspondence, we don't know
how much influence this woman has in Miranda's organization. With
Miranda's position, that's the only thing. Like I'm so like
in the name of TJ. Holmes and Amy Robot, it
can get a little.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
So you're pro dating in the workplace.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
I mean I work with my man, So I mean it's.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
That's different because you all didn't need at work.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
You all didn't need at work.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
You all had a relationship and then at incorporated work
into that. I'm talking about when you had a nine
to five, when you were working.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
This. No, no, not if you have to go to
the same building every day. Like, I don't even believe
in hooking up in your building, you know what I mean?
Either I got stories, no awkward elevators. We don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
I would actually date someone, be more open to dating
someone that I worked with before, I would be open
to dating someone that lives in my building. Oh same, Yeah,
I'm not I'm not doing that, No sir, no, ma'am, No,
they them. No. But yeah, so Miranda clocked her. We

(32:18):
just mentioned Carrie clocked Miranda with the games, and Miranda
clocked right back. She I don't even think Miranda missed
a beat, snatching Carrie's edges with that, and so that's
and then that's when we learned that Aiden's been already
been to the house twice. Carrie reminds Miranda that the
Grammar Sea House is Aiden's as well as it's hers,

(32:39):
but Miranda ain't trying to hear that. But Carrie also
was like, can we not read me like I know
that I kind of threw it a darted you, But
can we not read me like I'm going through enough, sister.
Then we get the next scene, which is Charlotte crashing
out with her family about not having a quote unquote life.
She's deemed herself as a boring mom who can't get
who can't wait to get back home to her family.

(32:59):
That's how she feels her younger colleagues look at her.
Harry is also dealing with some of the same stuff.
Giuseppe's there. I should mention that the family's preparing dinner.
They're sitting down to eat. Giuseeppe and Anthony are there,
and Giuseppe suggests that Charlotte go out with her younger
colleagues and join them. You know, if you can't beat them,
join them. Harry mentions he wants to go out too,

(33:19):
but he needs some club clothes. Charlotte then asked to
dress him, and everybody's like girl, girl, girl, And so
Ltw's name is brought up as like a styling consultant.
I guess she wasn't available. Then Carrie's name is brought away.
I think Giuseppe referred like call Carrie.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Also in this conversation we get Anthony showing some frustration
towards Giuseppe because he feels like Giuseppe's not supporting the bakery.
Giuseppe's not supporting his efforts. But I'm like, Anthony, you
also fired in the name of workplace romances. You fired Jiseppe.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Wake it up, Wake it up.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
You fired him because you said you can you ain't.
You ain't mixing. And also that's a weird power dynamic
because Anthony is the boss Jess employee that can get
a little.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Doesn't want to do it.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
He was like, yeah, a poet for bread. Yeah you know,
you know, he he know what he got, do you
know what he's working with? And he wants to rather.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
He said, I deserve equity for what I got.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yes, no shade, no shade. I'm in this for the
long run. And I love that rock was like encouraging
g I think that's what they called right on g
be at the next scene see no, go ahead, go ahead,
you know.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I think what kind of got me during the scene
was that Charlotte was complaining, you know, by being a
wife and a mom as she didn't do that to herself.
She literally in that.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Box literally her entire existence, all six seasons of sex
and the city sister was working over time to be
a wife and a mother. But it's showing how life is.
You dedicate your life to something and one day you
look up in your fifties and you're like, this isn't
fair life there, Please don't remind me. Do we want

(35:05):
to take a break here?

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, take a break here?

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Okay, we are back and now we're with Seema and
she's meeting up with her boss, Elliott. He announces that
he's retiring. It's also fascinating that Elliott, this is the
same person that hooked her up with Sidney last episode.
But Elliott is ninety. Seema gang but he said a

(35:27):
gay ninety is a straight seventy, which I will agree with.
I think it's a gay men, especially gay men that
I know in La take good care of themselves in
comparison to their straight counterparts. Actually, yeah, like it's just
you know, there's moisturizers involved and sunscreen.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Laser and botox and good nail beds.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah yeah, I mean all the all of that as well,
but I'm speaking just as surface. You know. Yeah, there's
and they're a little bit more active as well, you know,
a little bit more gem body conscious if you will,
If you will, they kind of have to be. Unfortunately, yeah,
treat men don't have to work that hard.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
No, I mean, here's the thing. I think the underlying things,
like men are kind of dicks across the board, and
they're super judgmental. So the same way men judge women ridiculously,
they judge men that way too, uh huh. So you know,
we kind of know what we pick apart, and so
we fix it on ourselves.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
An impossible beauty standard for sure, But it's also you know,
the same thing happens on the on the woman. On
the side with the women, it's impossible beauty standards. We're
all invested in, well most of us, not everybody. I
know women that have totally divested from the circus of
it all. But if you're like me and you're front
facing on camera and certain like you can fight the power,

(36:54):
but there's also still certain checked marks that you gotta
that you got across otherwise you will never see a
camera unless it's your own. And I gotta pay the rent.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Okay, Now, the lesbians, they don't give a damn no,
they don't.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Some of them do, Some of them do, which is
so funny. Shout out to Mel Mitchell's. I don't know
if you know if you're familiar with Mel Mitchell. She's
a comedian. She does a lot of the Harry Potter skits,
like the Black Mama, and yes, she's amazing, yes bad
as Mitch. So I met her here and we really connected.

(37:29):
I really, she's so sweet. And she was one of
the comedians last night at the comedy show and she
told this joke about because she's now engaged and she's
talking about open marriages and how that's like a big thing,
and she told her husband, well her fiance, that we're
not going to be doing all of that, and if
we do, I'm going to pick the girl and you're
not gonna like it. And the running joke that she
said is that she would bring one of them w
NBA players up and there she said, I'm bringing Brittany, right,

(37:52):
but it's her delivery. It was such a good joke.
It was such a good joke, and the way it landed,
I mean, everybody was cracking up, feel like, because you know,
they don't be thinking about that somebody from the goddamn
from the basketball court up in that bitch.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, I don't shut up because I feel like I'm
going to say, is give me in trouble, But that's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Tell me if so, yes, Elliott reveals that he is
selling his shares in the company that he and Seema
have to Ryan, Sir Hant, Sir Haunt. It doesn't matter
this person's name because it's not Sema, which pissed me off.
And he's Ryan will be taking over and becoming the

(38:34):
primary controlling partner of the firm. And I have in
my notes why didn't he consult Sema beforehand? Seema is
mortified by the way, and she decides to take some
time off work. Now let's talk about the blatant disrespect
that Seema's encountering at work. Right now.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
You know this, this this trick has been a little
bit deeper, you know it was just you know, I
definitely feel Seema and that it's tough when you something
for so long and you think you're you know, second
in line to inherit this thing that you've been kind
of like devoting your entire life to and then for
whatever reason, like whether it's you know, a merger or

(39:12):
you know, business changes or you know, plans change, what
you thought you were getting at the end of the
road just isn't there. No one is not there. It's
just not there for you.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
It's right, it's not there for you.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
And that can be very very emotionally jarred. Yeah, you know,
especially because you know it's your life and you know
you spent time just not dream but yeah, dreaming and
kind of fantasizing it. You know, like one day you know,
I'm going to plan and I'm going to have this,
and then no, no, it's what you do it for,

(39:45):
you know, it is instead of kind of have that
kind of taken from you.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
And Seema works so hard. She's dedicated her life like
she's single, she is childless, and she seems to enjoy
her work. It's not like she's dragged her feet.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
And good at it.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
It just what a devastating thing to have to go through.
I felt bad for her because it was again blatant disrespect.
How are you going to to have meetings with me
about my personal life? And then like, so we good
enough to talk about that where we're having side meetings
and you're hooking me up with relationship consultants, but we're
not good enough to pull me to the side to

(40:23):
at least give me a heads up to these abrupt
changes that are happening.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
And then the thing is the other changes on abrupt
because for that to happen, there had to have been meetings,
on meetings, on board clearances on meetings. So you've had
nothing but time and opportunity availability what was going to happen?
And now you're going to come to what what what's happening?
Or like or what happened? Like?

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, that adds insult to injury. So I really felt
for her. But she has a million sick days and
she's going to take some time off. Then we get
Harry and Carrie shout out to Chicago baseball legend, Harry Carrey,
you know the guy, take me out to the bug shout.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Out to Night by the Way for Pride Night at
the Dodgers. My first baseball game.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Are going to a baseball night.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
It's Pride Night at the Dodgers first. Uh, my first
baseball game in like a decade.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Good luck with that parking.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Oh yeah, oh well, I'm not driving, so.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
It'll be fun. I'm sure I've never been to a
Dodgers game. I've been to I think every Chicago team
I've been to games, with the exception of the Chicago Blackhawks,
which is the hockey team. But I've been to the Bears,
the Bulls, the Socks, and the Cubs. I'm a south Sider,
so I'm team.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Who who knew? I had no idea that you would
have gone to.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah, in the nineties I saw Jordan play count. Well no,
I'm saying, well, no, in fairness, yet I have not gone.
Have I gone to a sporting event as an adult?

Speaker 2 (41:47):
No, no, no, no, I did my cousins.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
I had a cousin who was doing an internship with
the Lakers two years ago, and I went with him
to to a Lakers game. So that was my first
sporting event probably since I was a kid, like professional
sporting event, since since I was a kid other than
you know, like college games. And stuff, and so it
was like, wow, I see that. You know how big
of a man Lebron is. Like he's big and not

(42:14):
like green bean like skinny big, like he is tall
and brownie no pun intended, he's browny. But so yeah,
how fun with that. Tonight Perry and Perry are are
shopping and he is struggling in this fitting room. I
don't see why he just didn't go a size up.
But then we get Seema Collin Carry and she's basically

(42:37):
letting her know that she agrees. She's agreeing to go
to Virginia, which is I think this is a call
back to previous seasons, because weren't they supposed to go
vacation together in the Hamptons and carry.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
They was they go to Greece in the end, Yes, oh.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
My god, I forgot about that because you were in time. Yes,
Oh my gosh, I forgot all about that because they
had I remember SEMA's hair being wet and they got
into that argument outside of the salon. I remember she
was smoking cigarette and had an umbrella.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so but she was to travel and
I was in my notes, I have a do you
know how pissed you have to be to go to Virginia, William,
you have to be.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Pissed sometimes, you know, you need a change of scenery.
You need to change of scenery. You don't care where
you're going.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Is there scenery in Virginia.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Well, they were renting a car for that scenic Virginia
Virginian drive. I just got lipstick on my microphone.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Oh, we can't tell that happens.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
It's okay. I'm going to touch up before I have
a panel. Full disclosure. I'm hosting a panel in like
two hours, and I need to prepare for that. So
we're getting it in early for you all.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
We are. We are. I'm like, I'm powering through.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Baby the same. So Sema meets Adam and she's you know,
she's picking up Carrie so they can head to the airport.
And that's when she meets Adam aka New York's Plant
Picasso voted by by the readers of A Vogue and
I liked this banter between them. I liked this banter.
It's important that your friends like your your potentials, and
I'm speaking that I do exist.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
I agree, And it's so funny how I guess oblivious
Carrie was to the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Yes, she's trying to put Sema onto.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Adam, dumbass. He's right there, he's in your house, like
it's so easy.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
She's still fiercely committed to Aiden, which is so crazy
because if she were on the other fit foot, I
could see Aiden sniggling and giggling in some woman's face
while Carrie is you.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Know what I'm saying, absolutely so.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
When I noted again with the easy breezy theme, Carrie
emerges and she doesn't have her signature trunk. She's just
got a few bags. She says, she had a few outfits,
her laptop or person, some lip gloss. Easy breezy, easy
traveling lightly, Carrie go.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Lightly changing for a man.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Now what I gaged at? And we may have to
spend a beat talking about this. I don't know if
you have this in your notes. When Carrie goes to
the car, she turns to Adam and she says, don't
lose my shoe, and he says, oh, don't worry. I've
never met a kitty. I can bend to my will.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yep, caught it, caught it and her nothing like nothing.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
I said, now hold on it. I sat up when
he said that now.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Hold on, did too?

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Hold on? Now, you never met a kitty I can't
bend to my will.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
That's a new one, smooth.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Which also, when I zoom out, I look at how
kind of careless Aiden was with the thought of shoe escaping,
and how careful Adam is with making sure you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Like, yeah, interesting point, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Just thought about that. Anyway, Carrie and Seema are on
the plane. Seeman needs a tequila sodas. I think that
was her order, and the gay flight attendant was like, honey,
when we reached the certain altitude, I will give you
your drink, but someone is currently vomiting, and that takes precedence,
which I agree. No one wants to be on a
smelly plane.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
No, But also, were they not in first class?

Speaker 1 (46:16):
No, they were not. They were not in first class.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
That feels weird number one, because definitely class. They'll get
your drink as as soon as you sit down wherever
you want.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
I noticed with their seating they were not in first class,
which also to your point, I could see Carrie doing
other parts of the plane than first class, but I
cannot envision Seema. I imagine Seema doing first class or
nothing at all.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Hello, So that that is interestingesting you.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Know, I've never flown first class ever.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
That surprises me.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
I've heard of the perks. I've been very close to
first class. I almost thought about buying a first class
ticket to New York one time, and I couldn't. I
could not reason with spending that amount of money on
a on a one way plane ticket. But I have
to experience it soon. I would like to experience. I
feel like I owe that to myself.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
You do. I don' think I've ever purchased first class,
but I think just like upgrades and points and stuff like,
we've got it from time to time. It's not y,
you know, I'm good in a comfort plus situation.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Yeah, that's typically where I'm at. I'm typically like Row eleven,
you know, I'm like right behind them. I'm never like
Row thirty seven or what. I can't be back there.
I'm around Row eleven and a little bit more room,
you know. Yeah, I mean outrageous, they know they really are.
And no company. When I've been flown out for work
for example, like I was flown here for work, I

(47:47):
was I was in the comfort. Yeah, no one's ever
like here's a first class ticket, not yet at least.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Yeah, they will, but I've never done that.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
I've never said in first class.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah, I mean not all first classes created equal either.
Sometimes it's cute, really yeah, Sometimes it's like the bare minimum, like.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Really yeah, yeah, huh, we're gonna have to talk about that. Yeah,
older planes and different airlines and yeah, the.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Length of the flight changes things, and it's just, you know,
do not let you into thinking that you need to
be first class every time, because you really don't.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, I know a lot of
that is stunning in front of I don't buy into that.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Oh and at this point, people can draft up an
AI video like they in first class and they're not
so yeah, but yeah, so they're not in first class.
Sema doesn't get her drink and she makes a note.
This is the second gay man that has disappointed her
within like seventy two hours, Elliott being the first.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Yeah, so she's like.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
What is it with these gay men? I'm not getting
what I want? Why is it that gay man never
do for me what they say they're going to do
for me. I know that's right, Sigma.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Their point, but also I don't really see the straight
ones doing it for her either.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
No, no, but I think she looks at the gay
ones as a very particular like ally, a very kindred.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
That's her problem. Stop tokenizing, not cokenizing. The game.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
No shake, get it together, didn't forget it together.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I'm getting it together. She has to get it together.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
So the next scene, you know, I almost pulled my
hair out. We see LTW. She is stressed, she's frustrated,
and she's taking it out on the mashed potatoes she's
making dinner. Harry I have in my notes because I
was mad, I said, wait, no, not Harry God, that's
Charlotte Herbert. In my notes, I said, have Herbert is
useless because he made me so angry during this scene.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
He made me Yes, you gotta tell me why because
I'm like, I mean, so he.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Made me angry because I always while I can always
appreciate in times of conflict, I can always appreciate another
viewpoint being introduced, or maybe a perspective that I haven't entertained.
But I was not looking at him as the most
supportive And I think because in my mind, he has
directly benefited off of the sacrifices that LTW has made

(50:07):
both in her personal life and her career, and he
cannot relate to the level of sacrifices that she's made
in this marriage, and so to then kind of like
dismiss her feelings and where is it at? In my notes?
He basically asks her to like look at Grace's perspective,

(50:28):
like the give grace to Grace, and she just I
think in this scene, what I gotther is she just
wants to vent and she wants her husband to support
her in her frustration. She doesn't hate Grace. She's pissed
because this project, which was supposed to be done in
a year, is now going on year nine. And he
said that they are mosy and he's not helping with dinner.
He does mosy and he chill and he coming from

(50:50):
the back room, probably just finished watching the game. He
grabbing some cold to drink from the refrigerator. And I
just think the optics of it, And like I said,
I know I'm projecting. These are TV characters. We're here
to predict, but that is what he pissed me off
in that scene because I felt like he was not
supporting her and he was not listening to her frustration.
He was not holding space for her.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
See I disagree. I think that there's nothing he could
have said that could have changed how she felt. And
she was, hear you, she was already spiraling. And I
think he did.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
I think you and what you have to say something.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
People want people to spiral with them, and he's not
that person. So I think he did what he did.
He went, he got not one glass for the wine
he got to He just opened it up, poured to
it was like here, calm down, like just just chill out.
I feel like I feel like he he helped in
the way.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
That that he knew how to.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Do, how to And I think that sometimes when you
are kind of spinning out of control, sometimes you need
a quick grounding moment and I think that he gave
that to her. Now, she may have preferred, you know,
somebody to Vinnie. Yeah, fuck her, And I can't believe
she did that, and but he yes, my man. And
I think that she knows that, you know, and if

(52:09):
she wanted that, maybe she could have called a homegirl
for that. But I think everybody kind of has their
their role.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Let us know what you all think about, yeah, because
we have very differing viewpoints on that scene. Because he had,
and I think I'm already irritated with him, so it
might be me dragging more because I just look at
LTW as making the ultimate sacrifice, and I should know
that I'm not taking away from any of the sacrifices
that he's made. But when I think about his haughty

(52:36):
ass mama visiting last season and how she disrespected ltw's
father and LTW as a whole. She accused her of
being a part of the Lion King like she did,
I just it just I'm not seeing how LTW is
benefiting from this marriage other than the cultural value that
comes from being married and and the lifestyle. Right, it

(52:58):
just seems like she just does it all. And as
I said last season, it's like Herbert is an honorary
fourth child for her. She's managing his calendar and schedule
and getting his stuff together like that's That's just how
I look at their relationship. I don't think it's a necessary,
healthy one, and we might see her break down in
coming seasons, like there might be she might hit a

(53:19):
wall because how she's living is not sustainable long term.
It's not.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Yeah, I agree, But then I also feel like the
kids are getting older so maybe that'll kind of free
up some.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I feel like, imagine when when the kids start being
rebellious and talking back and doing stuff like, she's gonna
need support and attentiveness. Yeah, that's true, and he's gonna
be off being comptroller.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yeah. I mean, it's interesting to see her and Charlotte
both kind of have the mothers at work thing going on,
and they're both kind of feeling you know.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
So then we get Seema and Carrie and they are
at this restaurant. I should mention Seema is Adam and
this fried chicken. She made me want some fried chicken.
I'm like, where can I go in in Miami? I
just need four whole wings fried hart with some fries.
Every Black American neighborhood in every major city you can

(54:11):
get that. Oh someone's morning is going off. And so
Seema's adamant about this fried chicken. Now, what I find
funny is that this restaurant didn't look like a restaurant
that the food was gonna be good to begin with.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
No restaurant like the hotel, very old fash.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah, the food here isn't bad that I've had so far?
What have I eaten? Oh? I had a Greek salad
with Lamb my first night here, and then this morning
I had a salmon locks situation. It was good. It
was a lot that filled me up. It was good.
But yeah, this is where the point that you mentioned
earlier with Seema saying, like SEMA's kind of venting about

(54:50):
work and it doesn't feel good to be number two,
and Carrie slips and says that she's number four in
Aiden's life. She clocked herself when she said that.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
I said, oh, and took a moment like, huh, yeah,
I guess.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Sometimes you just you never know what it's going to
hit you.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
You never know. We'll see that later on this episode,
because Sima also mentions in this conversation that she's considering
stepping out on her own and starting the Patel Group,
which I think she totally should. She's established enough, but
by this point, like she has enough cultural currency to
do that in New York, like she's out here, she
should totally do that. Then we get the pr for

(55:29):
the conference that Corey that Carrie spoke at, and the
restaurant owner or manager rather, his name is Mike.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
You're wasting my time. Mike was a lot, a lot
and and we didn't need the interaction. Honestly. I mean,
I feel like with the show, what I'm realizing is
we have a very certain amount of time to get
the story told. And he's like, whether it's Charlotte and
the Dog or like this little running with the guy,

(55:56):
you're wasting minutes.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Yeah, yeah, I said.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
We didn't. We didn't need levity here. We just we
just didn't.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
We did it, We did it. He complimented Carry's shoes though,
which of course she loved, and I screamed during uh
this scene because I'm not a picky eater, as you know,
I'm not afraid to try new things. Which, by the way,
we need to set a Kazunori date. I want to
go back back with you to Kazunori. I could I

(56:26):
could deal with a hand roll this summer or three
like that was really good. Nevertheless, Seema wants this fried chicken,
and she said, I want Mama's this Mama's fried chicken
as good as it sounds, and he said, that's an
old menu. Turns out Mama went heart healthy and now
the chicken is air fried with little to no oil,
served with an Okrah moose, and topped with a suck

(56:46):
atash phone and in caps in my notes, I have gross.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
I mean I was down with the air fried chicken.
Now okrah moose just sounds.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Disgusting absolutely, And I love Okra, I love it fried.
I love okra in any form. I ochre is one
of my favorite vegetables. But okrah moose now any vegetable
and fairness any vegetable.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Unless unless unless hear me out, hear me out, hear
me out. If the okrah moose was like semeared on
the plate all decoratively, and the phone was like a
little poof, and the chicken was sitting right on top.
So it's not really there for taste. You're not really
there to eat. It's gonna there for taste, That's what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
No, psychotash has too many ingredients in it for it
to be a phone, for it to be converted into
a phone. It just does. Psycotash got too many textures,
too many ingredients to be converted into a phone.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
That speaking of, I mean it reminded me of have
you seen this like air this air air not air
fried air puffed trend. They have like air puffed air
puffed skittles. Oh you know, what's so funny puffed freeze
dried like.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Okay, yes, freeze dried I've seen, but but they do
make air puffed stuff. When I was in New Orleans
for my cousin's wedding, we went to Rouse's Market, which
is you know, they're they're like grocery store down there,
and they had like air puffed skittles, just like locally
made like and I was like, nothing about like air
puffed peach rings. But nothing about that sounded appetizing to me.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
No, I didn't have air puffed sprinkle the other day.
It was a cheddar in sour cream.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
We'll see in fairness, something air puffed and on the
savory side, I'd be more willing to try than something
air puffed. And on the sweet.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Side, yeah, I like the Jolly Ranchers, the freeze stride puffy.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Yeah, I'm just not. It didn't sound like this this
restaurant would have good food though, ye organ management. But
Seema then says, or Carrie says, why can no gay
men ever give you what you're expecting? Like that's a
thing and it's so easy breezy and gay men dropping
the ball When it comes to Seema.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
As a gay man who is quite easy breezy. Drag me.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
You are pretty easy breezy, but no, you're also high maintenance.
I consider you still high maintenance. I mean, well that's
basically when I first met you, I viewed you as
so high maintenance.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
You. Yeah, I agree you.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
It is a place and time. Like place and time.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Have me at a damn uh cycling class with Nicole
Kittingan's trainer, just to give you all a snapshot back
in the day.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
We're friends.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yeah? Yeah, And I talked to the chain I talked
to yesterday.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
And I talked her all the time, and I almost
died because it was like, that was my first time cycling,
and that was like an advanced class. So you tried
to kill me. Let's let's talk about that. These days
are trying to kill me. Shout out to white loads.
Almost died. That was my one and only time cycling.
I was like this, no no, no, no, no no no

(59:54):
no no. I like pilates on the machine. So then
where are we at in my damn notes? Okay, so
we're at the next scene. Miranda's on her date with
BBC Joy and getting tips on broadcasting they're doing and
they start doing breath work, hand to heart.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I'm just I'm annoyed actually with Miranda. And I thought
that my annoyance came from the late not so great
shad As, But now that they're gone, I think it's
Miranda who's frustrating me. Like, I get it, you got
caught up with j did the whole thing. But what
is this like a rush to date? I don't get

(01:00:35):
that rush. I think that that rush.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Comes from if you, if you really look at well,
when I look at things, right in our age group,
people are rushing to date, and so to be a
woman in your what is this considered when you're in
your fifties and your sixties? Is that true? That's your
second act? You're near the end of your second act
in life. And Miranda has made this life for herself.

(01:00:58):
She's also new to explore her sexuality because she was
ste for so long that I guess, but I'm striking out. Well,
everybody wants somebody to spend some time with.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Well, I mean it's not she hasn't. I mean she
just got divorced. She finger banged Chay in the kitchen.
You're never gonna I'm traumatized. She flew across the country,
came back, he flowered, and none. She's a recovering alcoholic.
I think, I think that which can with herself.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Can we take a minute to applaud Miranda on her
sobriety journey. She has not relapsed at all, even though
she said reason too.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I feel like maybe if she was sitting there drinking
instead of sitting there with the nun, she might be
maybe maybe a little, maybe she could use a little
tequila to take the edge off.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Yeah, but but do you understand.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Kidding by to all of the to all of the
sober listeners, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
I respect sobriety, Yes, please clear that up. Then I'm
not dealing with with none of that. But do you
do you see where I'm coming from with this this
this quote unquote rush to dating. I think that she's
earnest with it. I don't think that Miranda is just
looking for someone for the sake of having someone. I
think that she's really out there playing the field. And

(01:02:20):
in order to to date, you got to put yourself
out there. It requires for you to, you know, nurse
your wounds, and it requires vulnerability, It requires risk, love,
requires risk from everyone involved, so she's risking it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
I mean, I hear you, I hear you. I mean,
as I think about it, I think part of me
is like, you know, you just went through a divorce.
That's pretty traumatic. I feel like you should take some
time to you know, grieve that and kind of deal
with that alone. But then on the flip, if the
relationship has been over for quite some time, there's a
chance she was kind of grieving to herself before it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Actually, because divorces don't happen overnight, they're filled up for
that and fairness. You know, Carrie, Carrie became a widow
and she wasted no time. I mean, she took some
time off, but like she got back in the saddle
pretty quickly. She remembers she was sleeping with her producer
of her podcast. Remember every Thursday they were tricking up.

(01:03:16):
So it's like, you know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Feel like Carrie was like actively like going to bars
and looking for people like Miranda.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
No, she wasn't. She wasn't. She was just open to it.
If it knocked, she answered, yeah, Miranda's k new to her.
I imagine, I imagine shout out to all of the
people who come into the truth of who they know
and understand themselves to be as there as they're more seasoned.
Is I can imagine that there might be a rush
to catch up. We won't know what that's like. We

(01:03:43):
don't know what that's like, coming into our truths in
our fifties. That true, and you know you're on borrowed time,
like we all are on borrow time. But you know
it's like, that's like, yeah, you've lived over half your life.
By the time you've reached your fifties, over half of
your life is gone. So there might be a rush
to play catch up and explore things that you might

(01:04:04):
not have done in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Okay, I guess I'll give her some grace.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
We didn't get Charlotte and Harry. You'd be riding Miranda's ass,
and that's my girl.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
And I don't know why, Like I don't know why,
like I had something I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
I actually think that Miranda you would have a really
good time with. If Miranda were a real person and
not a character. I think that you all would get
along really really well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
We probably would, except for she would get on my nerves.
And then I feel like we'd have one of those
friendship where it's like we would have to take some
space every now and then when you do something just
annoys the shit out of me. Way, then I can
come back, you know. Yeah, we be the friends who

(01:04:48):
can go out and have a good time. But then
when it comes time to talk about our personal stuff,
I just got to sit there quiet.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
We don't cross that. Yeah, those friends are important as well.
Those friends are important. You can't sit down and talk
to everybody. No, Then we get Charlotte and Harry at
the club. She's trying to make that sale, but they're
both are out of their element. They're tired, right, if
you don't if you don't club heavy, like I was
out with a friend, well with a group of my

(01:05:13):
friends last weekend, and I didn't get home to almost
four am, and I was dead and still had things
to do because I had to prep for the BET Awards.
I was dead, dog tired. I don't do stuff like that.
I'd be home rubbing my feet together by like one
two ish something, And I should mention we weren't at
the club till four am. We did the club and

(01:05:33):
then we went to Norms and held court and ate
good food, good diner food, and then you know, you
go home, you still tip seat like it was a lot.
I felt like I was back in undergrad.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
So I mean, as somebody who does that, I won't
say like regularly, but you know me, I'm either in
the bed knocked out by ten thirty or I'm getting
home at ten thirty in the morning, and there's really
no in between. My initial thought was, I hope they
kept some of those atties because that'll keep them awake,
and that's where I thought it was going. I thought

(01:06:05):
Harry was gonna pull a little bag out of his
pocket to carry, but yeah, they would, you know, kind
of explore that because I mean, I feel like we
saw it later in the in the episode where they're
in the bathroom and they're passing around, you know, the
tray of cocaine or whatever everybody was doing. How people
stay awake in the club until that is I'm not
saying me, I'm saying people. But I also think there's

(01:06:27):
a thing that happens where people will experiment with drugs
kind of later in life too, So I was kind
of yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
I'm someone when it comes to me, but I am
a bit more conservative when it comes to things like that.
When it comes to me, I'm like, I'm thirty seven,
that part of my life is over. If I were
to ever explore, I've never like all I've I've of
course had marijuana, and I've had alcohol, and when I

(01:06:59):
go to the desert had a mushroom I literally wanted
to try. I've never tried a party drug. I've never
done molly cocaine. No, I've always been.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Until my thirties, like I dipped down, young child, young child.
But you know, young man, we you know lean like
I tried those when I was see.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I never tried that. I've always been so afraid, and
I don't imagine myself as I get older. I don't
imagine myself loosening up in that way. I've always been
so afraid. And now, you know, as a working journalist
and someone who has literally been a sponge to so
many different stories and articles, I'm like, there's no way
I'm going. And I should also mention that I lost

(01:07:41):
someone close to me a few years ago to an
accidental sentinel overdose. So I'm like Tipper Gore over here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
But what I'm noticing is that people are drinking less,
and so they're turning to alternatives. And then people are
just kind of like being name, you know, whether it's
a shrimp, whether it's a you know what about what else.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
I still love my cocktail, dan ax.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Or people are finding other ways to get through whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
I still love my cocktails.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
I do myself.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
I'm in a space where I'm not having a cocktail.
I love a cocktail. I might have one today before
my panel. I'm kidding, you know, I'm ever the professional
celebratory when I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Well. I learned recently that I do like Shrem chocolates.
I like those.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
That's the first time I tried one. Was it in
chocolate form?

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Yeah? I like them, and I do think they both.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Times were chocolate. They were like for Railroad rochet.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Oh oh, I like the like this Macha chocolate bar.
That's good. That's good. It's good. But I do think
there's a version of me that's done drinking like heavily.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
By forty Okay, I could see that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Yeah, I think I want to want. I want to
taper down pell th reasons, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
I mean, listen, I get it. All of this stuff
takes a toll and fairness. I don't drink heavily. I'm
good with two cocktails. Even when I was in the
in the club with my friend and he had a section,
I only had. I had maybe two drinks as a
pre game because you know, as we spoke to you know,
drinks are fifty dollars now, But at the club having

(01:09:21):
access to this section and assorted alcohol, I only had
a shot. I didn't even drink at the club. So
it's like I just need like a little buzz. I
don't need to do the whole shebang.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Yeah, I mean I think it takes so much for me.
I'm a taking high tolerance yeaheah, yeah, yeah, I'm like,
this can't be this can't be good for me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
I just stick to my bot Madam of tequila.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Before the pre game, like that's a problem. I mean,
not before the pre game, during the pregame, Like that's
that's a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
About to say, now, hold on, dn't let's wheel it
before the pregame, god before the function.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
But during the pregame, I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Sometimes it's easy to go go and do that. For me.
It's wine. It's easy to be pouring up the wine
and it's like damn, we didn't finish the bottle or
I didn't finish the bottle. But I try to stay
away from the wine because of the sugar. And that's
why I also stick to martini. I know, a martini
and a linear martini. I'm not talking about espresso or
lemon drop. I'm talking about a bodka martini. You know,

(01:10:18):
no verbooth a little Oh yes, I had one last night.
It gets me right, like all, I needed two of
those and I don't need another drink. I'm done. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you got a you got a super high tolerance. Maybe
I am Charlotte. So then we get uh, Like I said,

(01:10:39):
these two are out of their element. Harry has to
go to the restroom. He's four drinks. And speaking of
four drinks, he's four drinks and drinks. And I was
cracking up at this episode because who as a woman
who loves rompers and jumpsuits. Oh my god, I have
been there before, Harry. It has happened. It has, yes,
it has, it has happened. I shouldn't mention it hasn't

(01:11:01):
been full. But like the bladder dance happens and at
one point, you know, famously Gabrielle Union. I don't know
if she still does this, but at one point she
was drinking a gallon of water a day, which I've
now come to learn is too much water to drink
in a day, like you could get poisoned, literally like
water poisoning. And so I remember when I first moved

(01:11:22):
to La, I tried doing a bottle of water a day,
I mean a gallon of water a day. And what
I learned in that journey is that when you do
something like that, it does not give you time to
do the pee dance. Your body says I have to
pee and it's coming now. At least for me, I
did not have time to wiggle and do what I
had to do. And there were times where yes, I

(01:11:42):
was like, so now I time it as a thirty
seven year old. I time literally like a little kid
or an elderly person. Let me use the bathroom. I don't.
My body's not telling me that I have to use
the bathroom, but let me try. That's what I've When
I wear rompers and jumpsuits, it's very let me try,
because if I can't easily got out of that, if
it's a more structured jump suit rompers, I can deal

(01:12:04):
with if it is a jump suit and it's more structured,
it can happen. I remember I was on a war
show and I wore this gorgeous jumpsuit. But the jumpsuit
it had buttons on the front. It also had a
belt that tied and a zipper, one of those you
know those those like tiny fly zippers on women's clothing.

(01:12:24):
And the zipper was from the armpit down to the hip,
so it was that structured. It was. It was a
discreete zipper. But I remember going to the restroom and
I was like, I'm about to pee on myself and
I'm gonna have to go home. The war show is underweight,
and I was like, I am going to have to
go home because I have buttons to undo. I have
this belt that's got to go through a loop be untied,

(01:12:45):
and I have to be delicate with if I break
this zipper, the whole structure of this romper. Yeah, my
skims are showing like it just it did not happen.
But I say that to say in the past, yes
it has happened. And if any of you, all made
and woman or otherwise, are part of romper and jumpsuit culture,
like I am. I'm sure I'm willing to put money

(01:13:05):
that has happened to you as well, especially.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
If you enjoy a drinker. For I'm someone who peas
all the time. Like I'm just saying, I don't say
that chronic peer, but like as soon as i have
to go, I'm gonna care what I'm doing, I will
stop what I'm doing, I will go pee. I don't
care if I'm out shopping, I don't care if I'm
in Now is it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Your body telling you that you have to peer or
is it one of those let me just try things
that I mentioned.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
I think a lot of water and a lot of
these workout supplements they to just make you pee all
the time. And I'm not like the feeling of having
to hold pee. I do not like at all, Like I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
Hate it so uncomfortable, uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
I don't play those games. So even like when I
was in high school, like my mom would be like,
if you have to pee, just go pee. I don't
care what teacher says, just go.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Oh god, I forgot. Yeah, we just have to raise
their hand.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Someone's just going which I got to pee. I'm going
to be well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Harry luckily his jeans are black and not blue, thank god,
because he peeas on himself and he's forgerings. And as
I mentioned, he said he couldn't figure out the Japanese
denim button matrix. So I don't know where they were
shopping for them jeans, but uh, he ends up going, Yeah,
they were struck. I just don't know why he didn't
size up. He kept complaining about the fit of the jeans,

(01:14:21):
and it's like, why not just size up or get
a different fit, a different cut. Yeah, that's what I mean,
like a different cut, a different cut of the gene.
But yeah, Charlotte keeps the night going. Harry goes home,
so then we get Carrie and Aiden there on the phone.
Carrie seems a bit irritated throughout this whole phone call,
doesn't say yeah. She seems like she's forcing it a

(01:14:46):
bit throughout the entire duration of this phone call. But
she reveals. She reveals to Seema. No, she reveals that
she and Sema will be driving to meet him, Like,
don't worry, you don't have to come pick us up.
I'm renting a car. Aiden insists on driving for lunch.
Then we get Seema knocking on Carrie's door and she
comes bearing gifts a bucket of KFC, which also is

(01:15:08):
making me mad. I know that you have to eat
for TV. I know there's a certain way, Like I've
been on sets and I was like, oh my god,
the way that they were pinching off of that chicken
and throwing it in the bag. It was taking me
so mad. It was taking me so mad. But you
have to eat for TV. You have to eat for TV.
So uh, Seman finally has her fried chicken. And of
all places, you're in Virginia, girl, I know that they

(01:15:30):
got chicken huts and chicken shacks that you could have
gotten you a bucket of chicken from. That was not
you know, the commercial KFC to you just you know, yeah,
I get it, you don't. And Seema's not in a
mood to be disappointed yet again, so she's tried and
true like KFC, it just is what it is, you
know exactly. And so they're having the fried chicken. And

(01:15:54):
what I loved about this conversation is the lesson that
is discussed applies to both of them, which is basically,
closed mouths don't get fed. Because Hema is still talking
about work and Carrie's still talking about the nuances of aiden.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Yeah, you know, you don't ask, you don't yet you
spend so much time working on something, whether it's a
relationship or your job, you know, and for it to
not kind of pan out the way you hoped in
the end, it's like, what do you do? You know,
do you raise a fuss and you know, ask for
what you want and hope it changes, or do you
just continue to sit there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Quiet and have the courage to leave? Much to seem
or that or that you have to have the courage
to leave if your needs are not being met, you
have the courage to leave. It makes me think of
that viral clip of the Bras and Sisters when Tamar
says Evelyn told them, if you ain't gonna let that
man cheat in peace, I mean, what is it? What
does she say? It's a it's a it's a mean

(01:16:51):
because it's sparked a lot of debate. Basically, if you're
not gonna leave, then let him cheat in peace. We're
not about to having the same conversation. If you're not
gonna have the courage to leave, then let that man
cheat in peace. I think that's like the gist of it.
And so that that that can be applied to any situation.
If you don't have the courage to make any moves,
then you you are willing participant in your own suffering.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
I guess I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
I love that Seema provided a different perspective for Carrie
when Carrie was kind of talking about how Aiden's not
really like plugged in and not really you know, inviting her,
and seems like, well, do you think this easy breezy
approach aka as I call it, the cool girl this approach,
he might have assumed that you're just not uninterested, like
you're uninterested in saying That's why I said, it never pays.

(01:17:38):
You have to communicate. It never pays if that's not
who you are authentically, it does not benefit you to
play that role ever at all. Ever, So then we
get the next scene Charlotte and her coworker Leela. They're
out and I noticed.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
I to have a good time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
The couple starts getting real relaxed. I think that's the
best way of it. Yeah, Lee was talking about feeling
on ross dick. That's the dutchman. She's feeling his dick
through his pants and getting excited and ready.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
To have She about to kill usselfingn't talk about gallery,
so I don't know why we're doing it now, but.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
It also speaks to it makes you think of like
the company Christmas party and stuff. The different sides of
people come when you're in different settings. I can think
of some personal stories myself as a black woman, I
feel like I'm always I've always been conditioned to keep
it together easy at Chris Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
You cannot while out at the company Christmas party.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
You're however, others do and you spend a lot of
a lot of information.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
But then but then you don't while out and then
next Monday, did you have a good time? I couldn't
tell you how like, oh, I was having a great time,
but everything okay. I can't have the time that you have.
I didn't be having a very different conversation right now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
I'd be all different types of bone queishes and as
in the group in the slack channel.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Again but different.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
So, like I said, it's getting real loose. And at
this point it's three am. I don't see how Charlotte's
doing this. It's three am. And I also I know
that this is TV, but I said, Harry didn't check
on Charlotte. Now once he went home, he showered and
he went and went to bed.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
I mean maybe he did. Maybe we just didn't see it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Because the sun was up when Charlotte left this club.
But nonetheless, they're keeping the party going. Charlotte is getting sleepy,
and I don't know about you, but Leela orders two
espresso martinis and told them to keep them coming. Now.
I love an espresso martini, but espresso martinis do not.
If it's three am, that's not gonna keep me awake.
It's gonna take a very powerful jolt to keep me awake.

(01:19:42):
To your point, I guess that's why people are sniffing
bog of sugar exactly to stay awake.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
They won't keep me awake. But if i'm sometimes when
you go out, you're kind of tired, like you're not
really up for it. If I haven't, like at the
start of the night, it'll kind of like, okay, bring
me present, if that makes sense, But it won't keep
me from sleeping. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
And also, espresso martinis are dangerous when they're homemade because
they're so easy to drink. If you got all the
good you know, Irish creams and Baileys and stuff. When
I was in New Orleans out You said, what when
they're out?

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Because right, but it's.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Something you know, when I see that damn shaker, I
become a bartender. And when I was in New Orleans,
I have cousins. We went to Costco and you know,
they got their tequila, these jumbo bottles. I got my vodka.
No one was drinking the vodka but me. And then
but when it came to mixing and I was making
lemon drops, the vodka was going like that and people
are like, we can't even taste it. We cant and

(01:20:39):
we turned up. Okay, we turned during a pregame.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
You just get to drinking, especially the drinks.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Conversation, and you know, I left to hold court. I
love a conversation pit. As soon as I can upgrade
my apartment, I want, I want a living space that
has a classic traditional nineteen seventies conversation pit. Love that,
oh my god, a dream and overlooking a view. Preferably,
I'd host all different types of conversations there, and focused
groups and parlor dinners and things like that. Yeah, I

(01:21:07):
did have in this scene though. I love when I
love seeing Charlotte loosen up. Anytime we get a scene
when Charlotte's loosening up. I really like it, I really do.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
Now we're in the bathroom and the party favors are
being exchanged aka Cokayena, I'm in Miami, Cokayina. And this
is when Charlotte tries to tell Rolf that Leela has
a crush on him, but she can't even finish her
sentence before he intercepts and tries to stick his tongue
down Charlotte's throat.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
I love how you keep names in your notes, because
these sign characters I don't even bother. I'm like, oh boy,
the girl, the loud girl.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
Yeah, I'm out of it about trying to get their names.
I panicked about I forgot about our friend Amanda. I
had to go back and get her name. The publisher, no,
I'll be saying, because she called him the Dutchmen. So
I have Roth aka the Dutchman, and so yeah, he
kiss it's Charlotte. She's offended, of course, as these things
typically go. Leela is not his type. I felt for her.

(01:22:11):
She doesn't know it yet, but I'm also so glad
that she didn't see him kiss Charlotte, because imagine what
that would have done in the workplace. Drama, Yeah, drama,
drama for sure. Charlotte leaves the club and like I said,
the sun is up in my notes, I say, Harry
isn't concerned. The sun is up. Now you get the
get We then get the next scene. LTW. She gets

(01:22:33):
back to work. Grace is there and it's it's kind
of tight in that room. Grace is packing up her things.
It's her last day. It's now Friday, so it's her
last day. She's telling Maria. She's telling LTW where things
can be found, different files and hard drives, and things
are awkward between them LTW. Finally, I mean, after eight years,
come on now, LTW apologizes and reveals that her reaction

(01:22:56):
was based in fear scared for the future of the project,
which I think is so understandable, honest, and I think
it's understandable. You give eight years to yourself and now
you have the added pressures of these execs talking about
Michelle Obama, like there's so much that she has to
dedicate to this project and it seems never ending.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Yeah, I mean, I'm glad that she apologized. I'm glad
that she came to her senses. Yeah, and again it
was honest. It was it was honest.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
It was an honest moment, and they were able to
end on a good note, which is good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Yeah, And I love it, And I didn't say it earlier,
but I do love that this situation happened between two
black women, just because I think there was like an
underlying added layer of friendship that was you know what
I mean, even though if you will, there we go
exactly and sisterhood. Yeah, I felt like that added some

(01:23:50):
some depth to the situation in the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
So now we're near the end, Carrie and Seema speaking
of energy being tight, Carrie and Seema, they're running late.
The energy is off. And see what a clock's at Carrie?
What's the team? It's high? And are you making me uncomfortable?
It's frozlin this, Carrie. Carrie reveals that she's flustered because
she's still thinking about that Aiden thing, how he did
not invite her to stay, and that's supposed to be.
There's supposed to be ten toes down in this relationship,

(01:24:15):
and I think they care our house and Carrie, in
the seat of her soul, knows that this relationship isn't
going to work out. That's what she's ignoring, is her
internal compass that's informing her that this is not this
is for a good time, a temporary time. This is
not your guy. Girley Pop. Of course I laughed at
this scene because Carrie is ridiculous. She wouldn't be Carrie

(01:24:37):
if she wasn't girl. Why is your driver's license? What
is it? Eight years suspended twenty seventeen?

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Yeah, but makes sense, makes sense because now she's driving.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Eight Yeah, she's Yeah, it does make sense because she's
a New Yorker and so it's like if you're in
New York City, it's not like she's in Rochester where
you need a car, like you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Know, you can have drivers and tanks.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Or she's walking down that side while getting rid by Miranda,
so Sema, you know, saves today, puts her license down.
Then we get Anthony. He's outside of Hot Fellas and
he is struggling. People do not want samples of that bread.
He's also unzipping his romper apparently he's not hot enough.
And then we get Giuseppe. He saves the day. The

(01:25:23):
bulge Guzippee and his bulge shows up, and we got
everybody from women, men and everything in between, saying I'll
have what he's having. So now Anthony gets the business yay?
Does he round things out? Seeming Carrie there now on
the road and Ryan facetimes, So Carrie suggests that they

(01:25:43):
pull over. Like, girl, you are not about to be
facetiming while driving, especially if there ain't no phone holder, Like,
you're not about to be holding his phone face timing
while while driving. So Carrie suggests that they pull over.
And I have in my notes that as soon as
I saw that the as soon as I saw those spikes,
I knew gon happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then from there
we jump Charlotte's at work. This is like a little

(01:26:05):
I feel like this is a scene setting us up
for the next episode. Because Charlotte's at work putting an
eye drop, she's exhausted. Some woman named Alexis rolls up.
She's an art buyer, and she's she's gonna give Charlotte
the commission. Good, great, congratulations.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
I mean I think to me, that was more like,
you know, sometimes you just got to stick to what
you know and what you do.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
Oh, good points, good point, Stick to the rivers and
the lakes that you're used to. You don't have to
be out at three.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Yeah, no, no, you have your place. And you know
what's that's their method, stick to what works for you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Yeah, a good point. Member.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Then we get Carrie getting back in the car and
she asks seeming, you know, like, well, what's the verdict,
and Sema reveals it's not possible to add her name,
and well, they told her it's not possible to add
my name, so take it or leave it. And so
from there I was like, Okay, Seema's going to keep
her job. She's gonna grin and bear and keep her job.
But as she's leaving the parking lot, she of course

(01:26:57):
hits the spikes. She wasn't paying attention and the tires
pop and she misses the sign. This is my favorite
writing that when the writers get to do and shit
like this. She misses the sign, she damages the car tires,
and now there's tranded.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
We won't tell you what got me. Carrie was like,
you didn't see the sign, and you saw where she
was going and didn't say anything.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Also, there were men that were like hey, miss hey,
and mind you, they weren't yelling from across the parking lot.
These men were like they could have actually knocked on
the window if they wanted to, they could have tapped
on the window. And I love the scene. Scene was like,
well the silver lining, this was the sign from the
omniscient is it says, do not back up. We're not

(01:27:38):
moving in reverse, We're moving forward.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
That's how she would have taken I would have interpreted
the same way.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Oh me too, as someone who's in her woo woo
woo bag, I definitely would have been like, God, I'm listening. Yeah,
I'm listening. We're moving forward. We're trying things different, which
is always so scary. This is I'm and you know what.
To Seema's credit, I'm someone who's at a crossroads in
my career right now with determining what I'm gonna do,
where I'm going to go. The industry looks really, really funny.

(01:28:06):
We're dealing with an unpredictable political backdrop where aspects of
it are predictable, aspects of it aren't. And you know,
journalism is looking kind of weird right now, you know,
And I'm like, which direction I can't predict which direction
the industry is going to blow in, And it's also
exhausting trying to predict that, and so I really appreciated

(01:28:27):
this scene because it is a sign we should always
be moving forward always.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Aiden then shows up as what did he say, the
goober the country uber. Yeah, he shows up and that's
when he asked carry to stay. So she's very excited.
I did think that. What was interesting is when he
pulled up, she says, Aiden, don't back up. Am I
reading too deep into this? Like, yes, on on one hand,

(01:28:56):
she was warning him about backing his car up, but
on another her hand in the woo woo woo sex
and the city writing style, that could have been something else.
But yeah. So Sema then is like girl dropped me
off at the airport. She's inspired, which again I admire
someone who has been dealing with not feeling inspired and
feeling bored with life, Like Seema's got a new battery

(01:29:19):
in her back and she's eager to return to LA
and I mean return to New York and uh start
brainstorming and getting getting the wheels turning. What irritated me
is they forgot their luggage. Now I didn't see how
that was realistic.

Speaker 2 (01:29:35):
Yeah, that would have happened. That would have never happened,
especially waiting for the tow truck.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
That would have never happened. Also, I would have been
fearful because in the world that we live in, that
that doesn't exist. In this world that they live in,
They're never going to see that again, and if they do,
things are going to be missing. Yeah, you have designer
luggage going to the to the yard, to the tow yard.
It's going to be gone, sister, But I have some

(01:30:03):
air tags in there and so carry kind of like
shrugs it off, which I guess to her benefit. At
least she had her MacBook in her purse. She had
two outfits and lip gloss I'm guessing the lip glosses
in the purse, and so the two outfits might be goners.
We don't know yet. That's yet to be determined. So
this is what when things get a little sketchy. We're
in the final scenes and Aiden as they pull up,

(01:30:23):
he reveals to Carrie that he did not tell his
sons that she was coming. So what type of game
are we playing?

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Strike one?

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
What type of game are we playing? Because you knew
that I was coming, I guess he maybe he meant,
but at some point, Carrie, you know what I just
thought about he knew that Carrie was coming into town
and they agreed to lunch. It seems like him inviting
her to stay was a last minute decision, so that's
why his sons were never included in knowing that Carrie

(01:30:51):
was actually coming. That's still no excuse, though at all.
I'm going to be part of your life. I'm here
to stay, Aren't I Like I'm part of your life?

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
I'm I'm so mad like this.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
Because it's it's it's some bs going on. It's some
bs going on, so it's it's just it doesn't make sense.
So he doesn't tell his sons that Carrie is coming
and he's putting carry in the guest house.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Well, he said that they talk every night about the
next day. Mm hmmm, So did you not know that
when you made the decision to invite carry over that
you didn't talk about it the night before? Surely you did.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Maybe he made the decision that morning.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Maybe he didn't, And then you need to make another
decision to then.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
To tell them your kids, because if I'm not mistaken,
these boys are all teenagers, right right, what's the big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Are they We're gonna we're gonna keep going, We're gonna
keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Because yeah, we're gonna wrap this up because yeah, yeah, yeah.
So then he puts carry in the guest house with
a first, I was like burr, But also it was like,
never mind, because of course I want to be in
the guest house if I were staying, like, things are
already kind of weird between them. I don't want to
sleep next to you. I want my own space.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
No, balance is fucking off. Because I'm here to give
you a key to our house and I can go
to your house. You're putting me in a guesthouse. Uh,
why am I letting you into our house? Here? I
am thinking we have a house, Yet I'm in your
guest house. Am I a guest in your life?

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
Yes? You are.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
That's too crazy to me.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
Meanwhile, the password to the alarm system is Carrie and Aiden.
Let's not forget that at Carrie's house, so she's in.
They're in different worlds, they're in different worlds, and so
I've noticed that this strange reaction when Carrie pulls the
adderall out of her purse and says, oh, before I
forget the adderall that Kathy requested for Wyatt.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Yeah, yeah, what's that about?

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
And then we see Carrie. She's doing her closing monologue.
The episode ends before we get into predictions. How would
you rate this episode? I agree? I agree, it has
a lot of entertaining moments. Now let's talk about the bs.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
That wife is in that house.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
You think Kathy's in that house. I didn't think about that.
I think that Whyatt does not need the adderall. I
think that Aiden might be an addict or Kathy might
be an addict. I think that Whyatt might be nursed.

(01:33:35):
He might be just fine, and letting Carrie see that
would shatter the narrative that why that Aiden's been entertaining
for these last few months. I think why Ittt is
just fine and I don't think he needs the adderall.
I think the adderall based on Aiden's reaction. I don't
think Aiden's reaction was rooted in a violation of like
Kathy going over his head to get this from Carrie.

(01:33:58):
I think that there might be some addiction going on.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
I think there's addiction going on. I think Aiden is
taking I think Whyatt was having a hard time. I
think Wyatt might be having a hard time because Kathy's
having a hard time, and I think Aiden taking care
of them both. M I think Aids trying.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Seems pretty well off. Remember the room that she called
Carrie from or the office or whatever. She seems pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Well off and has a bad night, you know what
I mean. Like the addiction is funny like that, like
her calling from me like that, There's there's something very
weird about that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
I can't wait to see where this goes. But that
that is that is my prediction. I think that lt W.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
And wait, I'm going to back up. I'm going to
back into last season because if Wyatt's grabbing beer and
crashing cars and clearly has a substance, they're pulling him
off of adderall anyway mmmmm, Like they're they're immediately going
to put him on a non stem.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
That's why some bs is going on.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
And something something and the wife.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
Yeah, they're they're up to no good. And I think
Aiden can't be trusted and care. He's gonna gag. Carrie's
gonna gag. I think LTW is gonna gag as well,
because next week we get what's his name? Marion. She
remembers she thinks that the new editor comes in, which
is macad Brooks. I can't remember the character's name.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Sorry, keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
I just was saying, I think that the attention that
he's going to give her is going to cause trouble
in her marriage because she's going to see where where
Herbert falls short or where he's been falling short.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
I can see that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
You know, man comes into the picture and tells you,
why do you put up with that? You don't deserve
the Mario song. Yeah, baby, I just don't get it.
Do you enjoy being hurt?

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
I know, I'm I'm gonna say, or or Aiden and
Kathy they're playing house to help wife, so they're acting
like they're together doing stuff and just to kind of
keep the illusion up to Yeah, it's viral.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Yeah, either way, we can agree that some bs is
going on over there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
I think Harry and Charlotte are just fine. I think
Anthony and too Zeppe would be just fine. And we
see Sema her coworker Ryan gets spicy next season. Yeah,
I mean, next episode, what's wrong with me? I need
another couple. I think it's the humidity of Miami. Like
I'm like, the first episode, I was sleepy, second episode

(01:36:21):
I felt on point, and now it's like hazy. I
feel like Miami has a filter on it. I am
doing the show from outside on the balcony of this
hotel room.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Beautiful killer. It looks it looks done. I see the
reflection behind you a little bit like it's really pretty wow,
and so I.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
Just feel like there's a filters. It's so hazy. But nevertheless,
we ran up. We're we're giving you all like a
long episode and I have twenty minutes to get to
the venue before my time. I need the crushing up.
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are you traveling next week too?

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Tv D But oh god, this is so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
But okay, okay, Denver, this was great and we'll talk
to you all next week.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
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