Flirking with Disaster

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, Hey, it's Shar and this is Denver, and we're
just like that. Welcome to the unofficial recap podcast for
Max's original series. And just like that, we're so excited. Denver.
You're ready, I'm ready, all right, so let's get things started,
all right, all right, all right, all right. Here we are,

(00:26):
season three, episode eight of in Just like that. The
episode is titled Happily ever After Denver were sar.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Now, I know we have some stuff to get into, yes,
but have to say I was not happy with this
week's episode.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Really why not?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah? It was short number one and I feel like
overall I could have just had a the eight. And
I'll explain more later. I'll get more into it later. Okay, Now,
I remember you were telling me not too not too
long ago, that you had something to say about last
week's episode.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, so I was on Saturday when I was running errands,
I decided to listen to the Writer's Room podcast. My
cameras wobbly, I keep shaking.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
My full disclosure, I actually drank for this, so if
I'm loud of it, that's why you ran.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's a long day, ok. And I'm over here having
a golden and very smoothie.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
You said what I said, there's a tequila in this cup.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
So just okay, So we're we're on opposite ends of
the spectrum tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Your day, your day was long, and my day was hard.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
So in fairness, I have to be up at the
ass crack of dawn to be on camera and interview
two people, and I still have additional research to do
when we're done with this.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
But can you can you tell us who they are?
Real quick?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
No, you gotta. You gotta tune into too Glad's instagram
at nine am. Well, but by the by the time
they hear this, it'll be over, So just go to
their Instagram Pageency there's some movers and shakers from the
Motherland that I'll be talking to.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Oh which motherland? That's hot. That's a hot debate on
the socials right now.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
They're still doing diaschool.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
The Black Well Now it's like the foundational Black Americans
versus oh yes, yes conversation. Yeah yes, well my motherland's Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Okay, no shade, no shade. So I was listening to
the Writer's Room podcast and I learned I thought of
you because you said you mentioned last week that you
were such a fan of when shows put everybody in
the scene together. I forgot what they called it on
the show, but they said that that took almost like
I want to say, like, I can't remember if she

(02:45):
said ten days or ten hours to film. I want
to say days, Like it took a long time to
film that.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Well, you know, I saw somebody and I saw you
liked it. But it came up in my feed and
it was somebody works on the show and they were
saying that the birthday party took them weeks to film. Yeah, yeah, really, I.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Want to say it. It took ten days to film,
which I thought was interesting because you know, in the
name of costume and hair and makeup and continuity, and
I also learned I wish I could remember their name.
But LTW and Herbert's son that's finding himself and Charlotte's
coworker who both were singing. He said that, well, he's

(03:28):
finding himself. I think I was upset. I think he
knows exactly who he is. We're finding out the rainbow,
We're finding out who he is. But both him and
Charlotte's coworker that was tearing up the Tina Turner song,
They're like performers like stage performers like Broadway. So it
was it was all the more fun. Yeah, that it

(03:49):
makes sense. It makes sense. I was like, oh, let
me lock this away and share it with Denver when
we record.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, I mean, I can see the more I think
about it, the more I can see how take a
lot of coordination to film. Mm hmm, excuse me. I
can imagine days, but weeks sounds crazy.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, but I think it was like ten days. I
guess that total. Someone could round up to two weeks.
And the writers struggled with like all those overlapping storylines
and stuff like you know, when you have every member
of the cast, every key cast member in one scene,
you gotta find a reason and still give everybody something
to do.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
So well, thank god they didn't kill the dog twice.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Oh Denver. Now we have to speak pipes this week
before we launch into the episode, the first of which
is from our friend Nash. Let's listen and see what
she has to say.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Work.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Hey Denver, Hey Sha, it's Nash back again. So this
episode was kind of muh to me. I'm really kind
of over this Seema and the a landscaping guy thing. Please,
let's just move that along. I also really am not

(05:08):
enjoying how Sema loses her job and now she has
to take the subway and get groupon lashes. It's dramatic,
it's weird, it's not realistic. I mean, hell, I can
go to a regular appointment group on lashes getting an
eye infection. Come on. And also question for you both,

(05:32):
how would you like to see aiden exit?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
I'm more so.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Leaning towards a carbon monoxide accident, a lah midsummer you
know why. It goes off the deep end. But hmm,
love to hear your thoughts by y'all.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Oh my gosh, man, go then for go go go.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well, listen, I agree with you. I think the downfall
of Sema is too extreme. Like and I thought in
the beauty world you would have like a last girl
who would be like you can call and be like, hey,
I'm going through it. Can you do this time? And
I'll get you later because I'm good for it. I've
been going to you for years now. It works in
the beauty world.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, it can. It's typically you can't.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Have a sauce bitch like like she reserves, no savings,
no rainy day fund. Yeah, I would think a woman
who would who has been by herself for so long,
would have prepared for like a rainy day. Yeah, you
have nobody else to depend on, right, Am I wrong
in thinking that?

Speaker 1 (06:32):
I mean, no, you're not wrong. And I honestly hadn't
even paid attention to how steep like the fall of Sema.
I'm using air quotes for those listening and not watching
on YouTube. The fall of Sema has been with you know,
taking the train, and I think I just chalked it
up to you know, she's saving for for you know,
the Patel company that she's doing like her company no good.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Point, good point, good point. Maybe after the bank loan
and they're going Ash, She's like, I have totions.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
She stopped all of the extravagant spending. And also to
Nash's point about Adam, there are a lot of people
that do not like Adam for Seema. I was reading
some of our YouTube comments and uh, there was someone
I wish I could remember their name, Please forgive me,
because you know I do the voice notes. But she
was just saying that, like she doesn't find it like
appealing like a bath. Yeah, he's dusty, he needs a bath,

(07:24):
And she doesn't like the and I guess you know what,
it can veer into the conversation of successful women dating down, yeah,
instead of dating up.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
But I think it is his company, company owner, it is.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
I think it's But it goes hand in hand with
his appearance, I think. And I also think that Seema's
at a stage in her in her life right now
that character is looking for a soft place to land
because she's trying. We've seen her, We've seen her do
a little bit of everything, and she's just looking for
a soft place to land. So, uh, thank you, Nash.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Well as far as aid Aiden's exit, we got to answer.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
That, Oh gosh, yes, thank you and killed him off
harbon monoxide.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
What I will be fun with like a tractor accident.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Oh my gosh. Now listen, I want Aiden gone, but
I don't want him dead.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Well, okay, you're right, I got caught up on the
dead thing. You know what, I think that I would
prefer if he was like you know what, Me and
Kathy decided it was best for our family if we
try to give why in a stable unit. So we're
gonna try again.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
I could see him pulling some ship like that.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I want Carrie, I want Carrie to dump him. I
don't want him to have the agency to walk away.
I think for storytelling purposes, I need Carrie to have
a moment of clarity because I don't want her wondering
what she did wrong if Aiden breaks up with her.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I would love that for her. But we know that's
not our girl.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
It can be she's full of surprises.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Now, that's just not our girl.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
She's full of surprises. I actually just watched an interesting
interview that Sarah Jessica did with Lost Culturistas. It's a
very interesting interview. I watched it earlier this morning before
I got to work, and I don't really watch a
lot of her interviews, but but it was. It was interesting,
especially when they started talking specifically about sex and the city,
and just.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
Like that gotcha. I mean, I'm not really a lost
culchas lost.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
It came up in my suggestions.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
But they have good guests every now and then, SOT.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
I like the hosts. I like their work. I forgot
the other guy's name, I know, Bowen, what's the other
guy's name?

Speaker 2 (09:42):
The other one? I like Boee?

Speaker 1 (09:43):
I like, Yeah, I liked the white ones. Matt Rogers,
Matt is it Matt Rogers, Sure well. I liked him
on the that short lived Showtime series that Start Jennifer Lewis,
which is something that he and carry bonded over, you know,
working over side. It was. It was a show where

(10:04):
Jennifer Lewis was like the CEO, like the head bitch
and charge of like the home shopping Network. It lasted
one season. It just came out a few years ago,
like I want to say, twenty twenty two, twenty twenty
three ish, it's pretty good. Molly Shannon's in it. Yeah,
it's it's pretty it's yeah, it's pretty cute.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
TV as a hole has been pissing me off, and
I know I'm going off because you know, with the
Sandman coming back with danger things, all of these ten
episode seasons over ten years, it's wearing me out. It's
wearing me out.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Budget's about to be real tight.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
And I don't know how we got here.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
We got here because the budget and people people should
I mean, people don't pour into I think you and
I both know screenwriters and creative people who have fresh
new ideas, and people are simply not willing. The people
who green light things are simply unwilling to take a
risk on anything new, so they regurgitate, they reboot, they remake,

(11:04):
they reshape things that have already been garnered or deemed
success because I.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Know, and I'm not even that mad at that, Like
I'm not. It's just the output versus the time because
by the time the season of a show on streaming
comes out, I just aw, we're getting the Last of
US season three and twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Never watched it, but I'm aware of.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Saying you were getting ten episodes in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
I think of Euphoria that way too.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I'm supposed to I'm supposed to care in two years. Yeah,
do you know how much life happens in two years?

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I forgot the story, I forgot the plot. I don't
know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
That's why they give you a super tease, a five
minute last time last.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Season, and then they're giving me ten episodes. Yeah, and
then may be anywhere from thirty two an hour.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I think that the damage that the strike did and
the budget is making it in potosible for people to recover.
That's my personal opinion. They're trying to cut corners, but
you can't cut corners when it comes to production assistance.
Like everything everybody, there's a human to do every job,
and they're trying to because of corporate greed, they're trying

(12:16):
to cut corners. I don't want to derail our podcast,
but that's just my opinion.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
It's a different show, different show, but I'm.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Like, Denver's the tequila talking. We got one more speak
type before we jump into the episode. Officially, this is
from Jarvis did what.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I love that?

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Hi, shar High Denver. Uh. First off, I wanted to
say thank you for bringing the podcast back for season
three of the show, and it's been really entertaining hearing
your thoughts and opinions and the recap of the show
so far, and now that we're more than halfway through

(12:56):
the season, I had two questions. So my first question
is is do you both appreciate the Carrie and Miranda scenes.
I think even like in the original show, Carrie and Miranda,
the dynamic between them and the scenes that came from
that show, they were you know, iconic, they were pretty

(13:16):
historic because you know, the tension just builds and builds
and then there it always comes to a head. And
then I just wondered if you both appreciate those scenes
and how this show depicts, you know, conflict between friends
and that you know there's tough love that can exist
between friends. So I just wondered if you both appreciated

(13:38):
those the scenes with Carrie and Miranda. And also my
second question, do you think we're gonna see the end
of Carrie's book this season? Like do you think we'll
see her finishing her period story? All right, excited for
the show. Thank you so much?

Speaker 1 (13:58):
By thank you? Jarvis did what?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Thank you? Yeah? I appreciate them a lot. Actually, I
think that they're probably those scenes are some of the
most real in the entire series, and I think they
do a really good job of illustrating how within a
friendship you can change and be in different spaces but
still have certain moments that makes sense, like whether they're

(14:26):
like tough moments or friend moments. Even the thing with
the scar for the papers and staying together and yeah,
I'm bitch getting on my nerves and you know, I'm
not trying to deal with this right now, but it's
still my girl. You know, I'm not going to just
write you out because of that after all these years. Yeah,
you know where and like if you were back in
your twenties, maybe they would have stopped talking for two weeks,

(14:46):
you know what I mean. So I think I think
that the show does a really good job of showing
a realistic, mature friendship between those two.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, I gotta agree. Those are Carrie and Miranda scenes
are some of my favorite because of everything that you
just said, Denver, But there there's some of my favorite
because I can think about those blow up arguments, like
in the film when they went almost a year without speaking,
you know, once Miranda disclosed that she told big you know,
never get married, you know, after that fight with Steve.
And I think that Miranda represents a grounding, like they

(15:18):
balance each other each other out so well personality wise.
Carrieous whimsical, She's kind of out there, and Miranda is
kind of solid, Like I feel like they feed off
each other for better or for worse. And yeah, it's
a it's a it's a nice reflection of how inconsistent
friendships can sometimes be. But the ones that are worthwhile

(15:43):
always pan out in the end like they're they're worthwhile,
you know. And it's it's it's an interesting examination because
you know, oftentimes people do close the door, you know,
and and not everything calls for that, And to your point,
I think it it's maturity. But but also we see
with both Carrie and Miranda, there's vulnerability there, there's transparency,

(16:04):
there's honesty. If only one person was was dallying that up,
this friendship would have been dyed. But I think that
that vulnerability that is the key to to keeping their
friendship afloat. I agree, and and Jarvis's second question was,
do you think Carrie is gonna her book is going
to be completed this season?

Speaker 2 (16:25):
M I never thought about it. I think it is,
do you.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, I think it's going to wrap up. This season
is going to wrap up with a nice little bow
on it. I don't think that Carrie's book is going
to be a cliffhanger. Okay, I don't know if we'll
see it published, but I feel like that the you know,
the the galley copy will be done. I don't know
if we'll see like carry in a bookstore, you know,
with it published, but I do think that the story

(16:51):
be complete.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yes, I never thought about it, but I would it
would make the most sense.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, well, are you ready to We're almost twenty minutes
into the show.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah. Fine. It was a short ased episode, so there's
really not a lot to go over. Yeah, honestly.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, So let's jump into season three, episode eight, Happily
ever After and just like that. So, oh, before we
officially do this, I just have to say that the
fashion was fashioning this episode.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
And the sex was back.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
It was sexy and the city in the city this.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Episode, I forgot what it was like watching these women
have sex. I think it's been so long it's been
it took me aback.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, well, so here we go. The episode opens up
with Carrie and Aiden lugging his bags up the steps
of the Grammarcy house and we find out that he's
staying for longer than two weeks.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Andy, why'd you have yuck? Because Aiden's there?

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's okay, and we walk in the closet.
When he walks in the closet, he slides all of
her her stuff to the side, and Carrie's like, I
don't do horror movies. But he was making a joke
and I saw that the just like that instagram showed
that it was a callback to when they first dated
in the series. He recommended moving some of her stuff

(18:14):
over for space, and Carrie is like, this close up
on Carrie's face like in Sheer Horror. So it's like
a play on the series. Yeah, if you look at
their instagram when we're done, I can send it to
you when we're done. It's it's kind of funny. And
I was just gonna say I have to say, I
like how it seems like this season they are including,

(18:34):
they're looping a lot more things in like they tested
the water last season. In this season, it's like every
episode it's like I'm remembering things or yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
That's smart. But I was going to say, is did
you see the eighty house tour of Carrie's house.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
I did, I didn't watch it yet watching Chef's Kiss.
A gorgeous set. A gorgeous set.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Okay, it's a set. Okay, yeah, it's because sometimes they'll
turn in an actual property.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Into Yeah, the outside of it is real, but when
you twist the knob and go in, of course it's
a set and there's little nuggets in there. Like I
love how the two people that were giving the tour
that work on the show were explaining, like there's so
many Easter eggs and like Carrie's original coffee table is
in her office and the desk from the old apartment

(19:24):
is in the office. And I didn't know that the
old apartment's nickname was the jewel Box, because that's how
Carrie looked at her little quaint space, like it was
the jewel box. I think, I think that's what they
call them. Yeah, the chandeliers in there from Yeah It's
it's good, check it out and so. And speaking of callbacks,
the closet that Carrie points aid and two to put

(19:45):
his stuff in, which is in Shoe's room, to me,
it made me think of the movie When Big, you know,
Sect in the City, the movie When Big, and they
opened the closet and Carrie's like, that's not gonna work
for me. That's what that scene reminded me of.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Change.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
So the two kiss and Aiden says, I hope you
don't have any plans for the rest of the day
or the week or life, and Carrie says, I'm free
until seven thirty and then Duncan is going to be
giving me notes on my latest chapter. Just looking at.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Woo woo and suddenly the yuck turned into a yum
because I was like, please let this be foreshadowing how
she just abruptly cuts him off.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Everything is foreshadowing in this show.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I know.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Our next scene, we get LTW and Charlotte walking and chatting.
Oh wait, no no no no no no, no no no.
I jumped too far ahead. Our next scene. Yes, it's
Harry in bed and he's five days postop, but his
balls are swollen. LTW is there. She's paying a visit to,
you know, check in on him, and she comes bearing
gifts and they happen to be jumbo Macedamian nuts from Hawaii.

(20:50):
Big nuts.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Now, two things, two things, two.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Things, go ahead, den I knew it was coming.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
This, this outfit. Ltw's outfit like insane.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
The fashion was out of control.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
I just it took my mind off of Harry's big nuts. Yeah,
brings me back. I'm so happy he has heard doing well.
I'm so glad that they kind of skipped through the
trauma of it all and just brought us on the
other side.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Same same. I was looking. I was looking at that elephant,
and I was like, I hope her mother in law
isn't in this episode, because you know, elephants are for
delta sigma theta. We don't know if LTW is in
a sorority, but you know her mom's in AKA, so yeah,
she gives them the nuts and then we get the
next scene. LTW and Charlotte are walking and chatting and

(21:42):
Charlotte asks how things are going with ltw's docu series,
and LTW reveals that, you know, things are going well,
but she's had a sex dream about Marian and it
is It was a very explicit dream and she woke
up and she was just so turned on. And she
also wonders why does this happened, and because she has
a great sex life with Herbert. In this scene, Charlotte

(22:04):
reassures her that there's nothing to there's no big deal
about having dreams because it has nothing to do with reality,
which I disagree with, and Charlotte even admitted that she
occasionally has them. Now before we continue this scene, I
have to say something about their dynamic. I love that

(22:24):
Charlotte appears to be the grounding source for LTW because
I don't associate Charlotte with that because she always needs
to be brought down to the ground. So the seeing
her operate, she operates in a different capacity with LTW
than she does with Kerrie and Miranda. It's like she
plays different roles with different friendships, which is also reflection

(22:47):
of reality.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
I mean sort of. But I feel like to your point,
Charlotte should have been like, oh no, you can't do
that like that. That's kind of what I was expecting exactly.
And I know I complained about Charlotte earlier in the
end the season. She's always kind of out there, so
it was kind of refreshing, but it just it kind
of caught me off guard.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
But I mean, she did it in previous episodes. Remember
when ltw's father died and she called Charlotte, And remember
before she gets the email from Jennifer Lewis and Charlotte's
kind of grounding her there as well. So I'm she
shows up in a difference.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Maybe maybe Charlotte can handle some things maybe maybe maybe
more true true, too true, and to your point, like
maybe she feels I don't know, safer, like more free
around her core friends. When you're when you're more comfortable
around certain friends, you can let all of that crazy
shit out, and then other friends you kind of like

(23:44):
suck it all in. You know, maybe ltws her like
suck it all in.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Maybe so maybe so Also in the scene LTW refeels
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
I'm not. I'm not leaving wire sex streams bad. You
said you disagree? No, no, no, no, no, don't mean anything.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
She said, right, Charlotte. Charlotte says, because they have nothing
to do with reality, and I disagreed, because they don't
always have something to do with reality. But sometimes they
could be the word of the episode, foreshadowing. They could
be a manifestation tool.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
I'm trying to think because I don't have them that often,
but the ones i've that I remember they were so random.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Mm hmm. They typically are.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, I'll say they're just random. Okay, yeah, they had
nothing to do with anything.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
They just But but see you're saying like, were they
with random people or people that are in close proximity
to you?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
I've had both.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
When you've had them with people in close proximity to you,
was there already some energy there like LTW and Marion
see that. That's what I think is the difference. That's
what I think is the difference. There's some energy there
which them.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
I've kind him like why are you here? Now? I've
woken up like what what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (25:04):
And that's different than for because even in this scene
Charlotte admits that you know, she I have so that
Charlotte keeps putting fires out because she says that even
she's had, you know, sex dreams, and LTW reveals that
she sometimes flirts with Marion when they're working. It's nothing sexual,
but there's an unspoken energy between the two of them,

(25:26):
and she calls it flirting. Flirting and working flirting flirkings differ.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, before.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Flirt, I mean I have definitely.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
I mean I flirt with everybody. I flirtything.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
I just yeah, I have definitely flirked, played, played a dangerous.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Game, probably flirting my dreams too. So okay, in the
sex dreams.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Well, you wouldn't be flirting, you'd be well, I'm not
gonna use profanity.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Well, and the one matter of fact, now, I'm not
gonna ask you that I was gonna say, do you
have a like a favorite sex dream that you've ever had,
one that like kind of stuck with you?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yes? I can still remember it vividly and it was
years ago, years ago. Yes, I do.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Actually you know do you know the person? Yeah, I
contact with the person. No, have you told so have
you told this person about the dream?

Speaker 1 (26:26):
No? Did I No? No, no, no, I never told him.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
M hmm, I can tell you mine. I was. Well,
it happened when I was like fourteen fifteen. I'm not
gonna say who was in it, but it was like
that intense I remember every single detail.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, subconsciously tearing us up sometimes, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
But I will say it was. I'm not gonna hear
the details, but it was with Will Smith and Jamie Fox. Oh,
don't ask me why.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
I guess the Marvin gay So a little definitely said
I don't even want to know. Were you Eiffel towering
like Sabrina Carpenter?

Speaker 2 (27:08):
No, I was. No. I was doing a lot of
things on hotel stairs at that. I'm like, I'm not
going to tell you. I'm telling you everything.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
I had one too many drinks.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
No, it was like a like you have like those hotels,
like the Grand Ballroom, Like the steps go like way up,
almost like met gallon steps. It was on like on
those steps and like a red carpet.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
That's a little voyeuristic, don't you think.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Well, had I known then what I know about me now,
it probably made more sense.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Don't act shocked. Okay, let's move this traight. I was
about to say, because it's about to get steamier, so
buckle up. Our next scene, we are at the art
gallery and prepping for the opening of an art show
tomorrow that you know Charlotte and her colleagues are hosting.

(28:01):
But they're filling up a condom with fake semen for
the exhibit that requires three point four centimeters of ejaculation
for an art installation called the Emperor's New Condom.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Disgusting.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
It's art from a woman in the nineteen eighties, and
Charlotte says it was pre Lena Dunham, before women were
allowed to be messy. Charlotte wants to modify the exhibit
because it's supposed to be six inches instead of four,
and that's when her vertigo hits. Now. I have in
my notes that this vertigo storyline that we explore with
Charlotte this episode is another silly storyline. It made me

(28:38):
think of the season three premiere with Richard Byrdon, But
it also I think it's also a nod to how
quickly life can come at you, like you know, these
women are almost sixty.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I mean, this entire episode feels like the premiere to me,
and I'll talk about it at the end. I didn't
need it. I don't I don't understand how the vertigo
again just came on so severe, And in my experience,
vertigo doesn't do what she was doing. Maybe maybe I

(29:09):
just don't know enough. I just found it odd.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I remember, uh, Wendy Williams had vertigo at one point.
I think it stopped though, but I remember her talking
about it.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
I get like kind of dizzy and like, yeah, it's yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
I've never known it to be as dramatic as Charlotte
was depicting it. But I also don't know much about it,
so for some people it might be that extreme. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
I don't know, we neither. I'm not a doctor. This
is do a medical podcast.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
So then Charlotte's our next scene. Joy shows up at
Miranda's and she has bags aka emotional baggage lol he
he ha ha, you know, cheeky humor, cheeky brit huma.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
And she just got in from Montreal and she stopped
by for a quick kiss and a drink.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Now I was like, oh, that's sweet, and then it
dawned on me, Oh shit, not a drink.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, and you know, she pulls out ungava gin. Now
have you ever heard of it?

Speaker 2 (30:07):
No, because I've never seen I've never seen green gin either.
It was old gin all the time. It was like
green yellow green. It was like colored. Okay, you got
to Japanese.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Now I'm kidding, No, I have beef with gin. Gen
is the first time I ever had a drink. I
was eighteen years old in undergrad, first semester, freshman year
of undergrad, and the drink that I had was gin,
and I mean it was mixed up and stuff. But

(30:46):
to this day I have not had gin since that time,
eighteen years old, first semester. I'm not a Gin fan.
Even when I order my martinis, which you know I
love a martini, it's vodka, vodka based Mark teeny and
no Vermouth. You know, keep it simple and yeah, I

(31:06):
do not like Jin at all. And I remember, isn't
Tanger Ray.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
G in Tanker Ray? I loved Jin. I used to
drink gin in college.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
They say Jen make you saying, and it did.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
And it's funny. I always thought, well I would get
two dogs and named them Tank and Ray. It's I
can say, take a Ray.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Are they going to be at the dog park with
Sappho and Socrates.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
I mean, thankfully I've grown. I'm sued, but at that
time that was a plan.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Oh Denver, a little big girl.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Layers, layers, layers, there's.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Layers like so yeah. So she pulls out this ungava gin.
It's fancy, and she decides that she's going to leave
it at Miranda's place, which she notes that she's never
done before, and that fact is important because she then
asked for asked for tonic, and it's quickly reminded that
Miranda does not drink. As she goes to take the

(32:01):
bottle back, Miranda insists that it stays there because Miranda's
so wrapped up in flattery because of Joy's gesture, because
Joy mentioned that she's never left a bottle of gin
at a girlfriend's house before. Miranda is her first. And
so I have in my notes and I don't want
to because I know that this is We're gonna close
the loop on this later in the episode. But this

(32:23):
scene reminded me of something that I always say, which
is everyone has something to disclose when it comes to dating,
and I loop it in when conversations pop up around
like trans people and dating and like this heavy pressure
and everybody that's a hill across. I'm willing to die
on everybody, and it's at varying levels, but everyone has

(32:45):
something to disclose everyone, and Miranda is living proof in
this scene, and I'm sure Joy has her skeletons too.
So then our next scene, we get Carry and Aiden.
They're in bed. Okay, they have been doing nothing but
having sex all day apparently because it's seven twenty and
Aiden doesn't know if it's seven twenty am or pm.
That's how that's how sickening the nap was for him.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Yuh, that's all I got.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Uh. Carrie gets out of bed and gets dressed because
she's about to go down to the Duncans for her
writing session, and that's when Aiden says, how long are
you gonna be gone? An hour? And Carrie says, oh no,
oh no, my dear, much longer she said out. And
I noticed in this scene that Carrie was kind of nonchalant.
I felt like a little dismissive, like, oh.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Hours, did get into it?

Speaker 1 (33:33):
And yeah, she hours. I don't know. It takes time,
and I have in my notes. It's almost as if
now people listening and watching don't jump on me because
this is a very interesting choice of words. But I
have it's almost as if she slept with Aiden out
of obligation. That's what I got from this scene. She

(33:54):
seems so annoyed by him. She seems so annoyed by
him to me, So.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I think it's that. I think she's just kind of
like in her routine, in her ways.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
And and you're interrupting.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Inconveniencing, not not really like annoyed, but like you know,
this is no I hear it on my list, you know,
things to do today? Well, she has nothing in her
I didn't need it.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, I didn't either. She has nothing in her place
to eat though, and she suggests that Aiden just go
down to the place down the block that they love,
and that's when Aiden checks his phone and says, oh man.
And in the scene we learned that Wyatt is icing
Aiden out. Aiden has text his son Wyatt about five
times and there's been no response, and Aiden is disappointed.

(34:44):
But he also reveals that when Wyatt returned from outward Bound,
which I guess is the camp he went to, why
it ended up announcing to the family that he wants
to live with Kathy. I have in my notes that
I imagine that Kathy's boyfriend is not too enthused about this.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
I have in mind that this whole thing feels really manipulative. First,
she's like, I have to go. He's a time that
we ain't gonna be back. And she's like, I don't know.
Then that didn't work. So I starts to about food.
What am I gonna eat? She's like, go to the restaurant.
That didn't work. And now he's gonna look at his phone. Oh,

(35:20):
just the five texts. I said, why, it's literally really
really manipulative, and I wasn't here for it.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
You and I we see each other. That's literally in
my notes as well, which on Lost Lost Culture Rita,
Lost Culturistas, I promise, I'm just drinking a smoothie. No,
I'm glad. I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
When I stumbled, I was like, damn, they're gonna think
I just can't speak.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I need tequila over here. But they told Carrie that
she has a propensity. When they told s JP that
Sarah is uh, they told s JP that Carrie is
like a narcissist magnet, Like she has a propensity to
draw them in. She's right for the taking. It was
a funny exchange. But yeah, so he tells Carrie this,

(36:04):
and he also reveals in this conversation that you know,
we all know that Tate just turned twenty one, he's
away at college, Homer is at his cousin's house for
a month, and Aiden is just in Virginia alone. So
he decided, you know, oh, I have another life in
New York City. And I have in my notes that
this would have agitated me because to me, it communicated
that you're here out of convenience and boredom, right, and

(36:28):
not because you actually want to be here and be
actually visiting me. And that's why you can. He can
be there for two days, like Carrie clockson and like, oh,
so that's why you're here for more than two days.
But it just felt so like he needed an off ramp,
like he was at home twiddling his thumbs.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
And I think what blew me is after last week
they're having such like a homegirl conversation on speakerphone. In
my mind, they talked regularly. Why is all of this
coming out now when I'm about to leave?

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
It just felt really it.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Was Manif I agree, and I have in my notes,
I'm glad that you answered that because at the end
of the scene I have in my notes, I was asked,
I was going to ask you, do you think that
Aiden pulled this stunt on purpose because of the timing,
But you already answered that, and so and so Carrie asks,
I love this. She asks him, uh, why do you
think why it wants to live with Kathy full time?

(37:22):
I love that she flipped that and asked him, and
he's like, oh, he loves her more so it's more
when woe is me? And then the the icing on
top of the manipulative cake is he says, how did
I wind up being the bad guy? And that's when
Carrie decides to prioritize him, and she cancels her writing
session with Duncan so that the two of them, Carrie

(37:44):
and Aden, can go to dinner.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
And on that note, we're going to take a break
because that's.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Just post line and sinker. So now we're back, and wow,
what a scene we get Sema and Adam, they are
getting it in and I have on this scene that
I have in this scene that uh, Adam really looks
like he smells in this scene, like I'm talking about

(38:11):
breath and body. He looks nasty to me, Yeah, he looks.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
To me it was giving like hot, sweaty session to me.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Well, we got two different lenses on that. But what
I loved about this scene is that I did applaud
because he gave Sema the orgasm of her life. And
they have they have good chemistry because they're laughing in
bed after sex. Seema says she's never laughed like that,
you know, afterwards, and he notes she he did that,

(38:44):
but he also notes that he never finished. And I said,
do you know how rare it is for a man
to prioritize a woman's pleasure over his own when it
comes to sexual matters? And this is based off of
survey and some personal experience with survey because they always

(39:05):
typically not one hundred percent, and I'm not talking about
every man, oh my god, but it is not unusual
or uncommon for men to prioritize themselves and not be
fully invested in pleasing their partner.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah, you know, that's what I hear from the women folk.
I wouldn't know. One thing I did have written down
was that despite not finishing, he looked really satisfied. He
looked very proud of himself.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
A good lover. I did that.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, I did that. She said, who are you now?
I may have asked that once or twice. I'm not
going to get into Oh that's what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
You think I'm gonna clamp my tongue. I'm not gonna
say it. I'm not gonna say it. I'm gonna move right.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
And then and then he dug in that, and that
seems to be a thing with guys that I've I've
come across.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Then we're going to get into that at dinner, okay,
because I have some things to say.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
But nevertheless, I do have it all caps claps for
my girl.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, I mean I was literally applauding. I was happy
for her. She needed that big Oh, she needed that.
She deserved it. She deserves So then we get the
next scene and it's morning and LTW has apparently just
woken up from another sex dream with Marian because she
is hot and ready like a little Caesar's pizza. Okay,
she she is all over Herbert, you're so hot, put

(40:41):
it in me like she's ready.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
It's guilt, she's not ready. It's guilt.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
I don't think it's guilt. I don't think the guilt
shows up till later.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I think she needed to show herself that she's still
into her husband and that you know, she's doing it
with the person she's supposed to be doing it with. Yeah,
that was that was more so for her. So when
he well, you know, oh, I was saying, So when
he's woken from a sunburn, he's like, I have to pee,
you know, and he killed the moods.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
So that's what pisses me off. Like he's like, you know,
she removes her pajama bottoms, he's caught off guard, hes like,
is it my birthday? But that was also funny because
you're so hot or something.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
You're only saying that because you need to remind yourself
that because you're dreaming of another.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Doesn't He doesn't know that. And she told Charlotte earlier
that they have a healthy sex life. So it's like,
let's let's get it pop it.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Yeah, but it's not that it's not that you're only
doing that, but.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
He doesn't know that.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
That's what I'm saying, she does could I couldn't even
be like, go girl, because like, I know why you're
doing it.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
So if your partner were to do something different like that,
you would question it instead of just leaning into it,
like maybe my partner appreciates me in a or.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
I would lean into it because I would be into it,
but I'd also be like, Okay, what's going on. We've
been in the same bed for x a munty years.
Let's saying never something, something's different, something is different, and
it's not me and it's not you. So I'm not
gonna say anything, but my my my intents are perked
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, well, he I definitely I hear you. I definitely
laughed and was annoyed when he killed the mood talking
about like, first of all, we're hearing you in the
bathroom and you're talking about at toilet paper to the
shopping list like I'm not. And of course he's like,
I'll get it after work.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Like so, as a man, you know, when you wake
up in the morning, I have to pee, I completely understand. Yeah, well,
if you for me, I can't speak for me, but
if I have to pee and sex is happening, like
I can't get to anything until I peek.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Some people want you to pee in them.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
That's a different conversation, you know. Now it it's like
you'll be one second you know, go pee, come back.
And most guys that I've done it with their guys
that they completely understand, Like it's like in the mood's
not killed.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Most people have to be in the morning, first thing
in the morning.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Oh especially me.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
I don't think that's Exc've talked about this.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
IP a thousand times a day, but I'm saying like,
and as an impetus to sex, like, if you're trying
to work with it, you gotta it's gotta be empty.
It can't, yeah for sure. So so that didn't piss
me off. It was him in the bathroom giving her
ship to do that killed the mood.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Yeah, the shopping list was like, oh god, they even
changed the music on this. Come on our next scene
we get lt W. Lisa and Marion are having lunch
and he is having papaya, which is major jump off
of the screen sexual innuendo because everybody know what papaya

(43:54):
is symbolic.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Of, well, you know what I was having my notes.
I can't say that I've ever eaten a papya me either.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
They don't look appetite. It's some about the seeds that like,
the colors are too stark for me, bright orange. And
then then black seeds like and also it seems like
it would be too sweet, like melon adjacent and I
don't like melon at all.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, and then I had like the guttural reaction because
I don't watch Love Island, but I'm so tired of
hearing about it, so I'm like, more Papaya, Ama, papaia
the whole like.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Oh, they have papaya and Love Island.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
You have some girl a maya Papaya. I think she won.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Oh, I know the name Amayah, but I didn't know
they called her Amaya Papaya.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
I don't know why, but that's all I've been hearing
and reading for however many weeks. I was like, wow,
I like, like.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
I said, Papaia is our major sexual innuendo. And he
offers Lisa some would you like some? And she says,
I'm fine with my usual everyday kale salad, no croutons,
dressing on the side. Ma Marion then reveals that he
couldn't bring himself to order another boring salad. He just
wanted something different. Do you ever want something different? LTW

(44:59):
is like, Nope, never, I'm fine with what I have.
This is all you know, read between the lines, so
then he goes on to say that he was just
thinking about the two of them last night and how
they're always together talking about how they're gonna get Michelle
Obama to do the series, and Ltw's like, yes, we
always are talking in here talking, and then he invites her, Oh,

(45:20):
I shouldn't mention when he was eating the papaya, he's
like slurping it like they were laying it on thick.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
But he knows exactly what he's doing well.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
He then invites her to a screening of Naima Ramos's
new documentary aka a movie date, and she shoots the
idea down because she's busy. She has every intention on
going to Charlotte's Art Gallery showing yeah, cause he was like,
I didn't even tell you the.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Date, Like, actually, I'm busy, I'm busy.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
I was, you know, I was really quickly. I was
debriefing with a friend about this show, and because they were,
they called me and were like, you know that seem
a scene with Adam on the steps. It was very sharp,
and I was laughing because I was like, there have
been times where you know, sometimes you can get adjusted
to like a script that you tell yourself or you're

(46:16):
adjusted to like you, you feel like you can predict
what's coming next, and then when you gag like he said, oh,
I broke up with her after I smelled your perfume.
Now I'm running because I'm used to like I'm thinking,
you go, yeah, it's not now, I'm like in fight
or flight. So that was that was funny to talk
to a friend about. But anyway, he goes on to

(46:37):
say that, so he invites her to this this documentary screening.
She shoots it down, and he said it wouldn't be No.
She says, it wouldn't be right if I went to
a movie with you. I just made a promise to her.
I made a promise. It was like she was reminding
herself that she made a promise. But it was, you know,
in you window, you know, she made a promise to
Herbert That's what she made a promise to and God

(46:59):
and Mayor reveals that the documentary is produced by the Obamas,
and one of their development executives are going to be there.
He knows her and he wants to introduce them. Heh yeah, girl,
hell yeah. So then we get LTW at Home. I
loved every jumpsuit. Oh my gosh, Charlotte in the gallery
earlier in the episode, LTW. I don't know what this

(47:20):
contraption was that she was rocking in this scene, but
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
I loved it Red Orange.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
So I was cracking up at this scene because Nicole
Ari Parker is a hilarious actress. And I love how
like she's floundering in the kitchen talking about this work thing.
She says she has a work thing like eight times,
and she says it's a movie that you know, mommy
has to see. I'm not even changing clothes. That's how
much I don't care about looking good tonight. She's frazzled.

(47:53):
I also loved the part where Herbert said, I thought
we were going to dinner and Charlotte's and LTW said
something like, I'm not neglecting you or abandoning you. And
she points to the daughter, like why are we having
this conversation? And he's like, he wasn't even talking about that.
He was talking about Charlotte, right. But to me, it
shows the dynamic in their marriage that annoys me the
most because the fact that she has to the fact

(48:14):
that she has to factor that in that like if
he were in theory talking about them as a couple,
our daughters in the room. Let's not do this while
the child is present. That's what pisses me off. There's
a time and place for everything.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah, now the kid, the kids know everything they.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Know, and but I'm saying, even if they do know, Denver,
there is a time and a place for everything, And
you don't have adult conversations about your marriage in front
of your ten year old daughter. I just don't think
it's appropriate, whether she knows or not.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Personally, that's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
You all let us know down to speak pipe dot
com Slash were just like that, let us know what
you think.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
I mean. I feel like it was light enough to
where it wasn't It wasn't anything.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
But because she had to signal, she's signaled to him like,
let's not do this, that's what pissed me off. So nevertheless,
we're back with Carry and Aiden in the next scene
and they're getting dressed for Charlotte's event. Carry asked Aiden
what's in all of his bags? Now, this is a
question that she asked at the beginning of the episode

(49:14):
when they were lugging them up the steps, and he
made a joke and said it like some like his
guns and furs were in there. And now he's joking
and saying tube socks.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
What do you why are you not answering this bag?

Speaker 1 (49:26):
What do you think is in the bags? Because it's
a lot of bags. What do you think is in
the bags?

Speaker 2 (49:30):
It's prized possessions because Kathy kicked him out the house.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Together.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Well, well, then true, true, Kathy will.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Have boyfriend across town.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
You're right, you're right, you're right. I don't know, you
know what, actually, you know what? I thought they were
still in the house up until the beginning of this episode.
I don't know why this is in my retcon in
my mind, they were in that house at some point.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
No, remember when it was Tate's birthday, Kathy and her
boyfriend pulled.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Up, pulled up. Yeah, it's the tequila. It's making things fuzzy.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Yeah, I think, well, you all let us know. I
think he lives there.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Alone with the boy No, No, you're right, No, you're
you're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Okay, I y'all. Also, you all let us know what
you think is in Aiden's bags. That's that's a great mystery,
because I mean, I don't know. But then Aiden suggests
that they invite Duncan to dinner with them tonight, and
Carrie defiantly objects.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Well it was dunking. Well it was dunkin Donuts, So
you know, I don't I don't watch the previews, but
I saw this one, and in the preview he just said,
invite Duncan. That dunkin Donuts joke. I don't believe was
in there.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Oh really, they showed the original. They also showed in
the slide show Duncan in the closet and Duncan.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
I was gonna I was gonna say that at the end,
but yes, piss me off, pissed me end this episode, No,
I commented, I was like dunking in the closet with
all of Carrie's clothes. Yeah, it was kind of crazy.
That's the one scene I was looking forward to this
entire episode.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Especially because Aiden asks does he have permission to enter
and care He told him no in a joking way,
but ha ha ha. But Carrie immediately objects because she
but Aiden insists that it's neighborly. We're living in the
same house and I don't even know him, and Carrie
says I don't know him either. When it comes to
Duncan and I it's all about work and books, and

(51:18):
Aiden's like, so what you have to sit around saying
page twenty two sucks? And Carrie's like, yes, that that's
our relationship in a nutshell, and I prefer to keep
it that way. She is drawing hard boundary. We know
she's lying, and she knows she lying.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
But.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
They don't have any secrets. Didn't she confess to him
about the whole masturbation. We don't have any secrets. I
have to tell you that before Duncan was before Duncan
was in the picture.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
And honestly, I have been in a situation where I
don't want never with anyone that I was actively dating.
But there have been people that, like I didn't want
to meet, actually avoided it, you know, like, yeah, I
don't want you to know this one. I don't want you.
I don't want y'all to know him.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Can I keep I know that I know him? If
I could have, that's how I would have kept it.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, Hello, can we have a moment of silence for that?
Because Hello, somebody somewhere.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Hello, I don't know, I don't know you knew, No,
you didn't.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Because I don't I don't I don't even know who
that is. Sorry to that man. Then we get our
next scene, Semen and Aiden and excuse me. Semen and
Adam are out to dinner and a woman is sitting
across the restaurant and putting on deodorant in public. Seema
and Adam Cheryl laugh and Adam mentions that he's seen
someone click their toenails on the train, he's seen a

(52:43):
woman squatting, but at least those are basic necessities. And
then there's a record scratch Becauseima's like, what the fuck
are you talking about the basic necessity as well? And
that's when Adam reveals that he doesn't believe. It's not
only that he doesn't wear, he doesn't believe in using deodorant.
He used is a rock Crystal.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Whoa two things. One it's better than nothing. I mean,
it's more than what I thought, because last I thought
he was gonna be out here musty. So at least
he uses something, because I know I know a homegirl,
an ex homegirl, who used to use that damn crystal.
Does it work? I don't know, but she just used
to always have it in her bag. And then the

(53:23):
other thing is to you I wasn't around her enough
to know, you know that X was very swift. And
then two, I don't necessarily think putting theoduran on in
public is that outrageous. I didn't. I didn't understand why
they're having a kick out of that.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
I guess because she wasn't discreet about it, Like she
had her full arm up, like there's you know, there's
ways you could put on the yolda it. She has
her full arm up.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
And yeah, but I mean I would I would rather her,
especially a Seema, like a woman, like put it on
before your day gets here, because you clearly needed put.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
It on before my meal arrives at this table.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Let me just put it on. We'll just do it.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Well, he's a crystal guy. And then they have some
deal toant banter and Seema's not backing down. She's like, baby,
I got travel sized in my purse right now. And
that's when we see the waiter come in frame and
he hands the check to mister Karma and seems like
mister who what's your name? And Adam ends up revealing
that his mom changed their family name when he was

(54:25):
in seventh grade because she wanted him and his sister
to always remember what's important, and that just informs everything
I need to know about Adam. He comes from a hippie,
dippy family. Yeah, it's a very flower child family.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
It was so random, like it was. It was one
of those another thing in this episode where I feel
like why, Like what is just? Why is another thing?

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Oh well, it may make sense later down the line,
honestly it may be.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Hopefully I'm hoping it does, because I know it's like very.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
It's like Adam Karma. That's such a strange name, and
so it just but it informs to me learning that
his mom did that. I'm like, Oh, that's why you're
the crystal under the armpit guy, Like you're a flower child.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
I was like, oh, is that why that you dating
South Asian girls? Like do you have like this weird
Indian it's weird like Indian, but like her name is
Karma and like Indian.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Oh, and he used to date a yoga woman, right?

Speaker 2 (55:26):
And she wasn't she South Asian or that?

Speaker 4 (55:29):
No?

Speaker 1 (55:30):
I don't think they made that clear because he brought
up yoga and Seema was like, are you asking a
South Asian woman if she's ever done yoga? That's where
that came up.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Got you and then okay, because.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
He was asking Sema, you know, so.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
What was what was what was his response to that?

Speaker 1 (55:50):
It was something he said, a joke. It was it
was a joke. I can't remember. This is when they
were in the backyard in the garden talking when Duncan
like shut the blind when he was still mean Duncan.
I think it was Duncan's intro episode that they had
this conversation. So we get to the next scene. We're
at the art show. Seema, Aiden and Adam are standing

(56:10):
around chatting about deodorant still and they make a joke
about Aiden's speed sticks, you know, under his arm, and
then Aiden shifts the conversation to Duncan and he asks
them both what Duncan's like, and both Adam and Sema say, oh,
he's a meanie. He's a meanie.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Good friends.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Then we see then we see Carrie and well, to
their knowledge, he is a mean he remember, Miranda is
the one that clocked the lols that he and Carrie
were having. To Adam and SEMA's their lived experience, Duncan
is an asshole.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
No, their lived experience, they saw them Kiki at that
party too, like they like they know they know what's up.
They yeah, they weren't hiding it. Nobody said anything more,
nobody said anything less.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
And those aren't good friends. I've had friends, boyfriends and
partners and even girlfriends. Try to slide in little because
you know, I'm sure I'm there for a good time.
I love having conversations, but try to slide in little whatever.
And don't get it twisted. My loyalty lies to my friend.
But we can play this game. Oh he's a meanie.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Well, I will say I didn't expect Aiden to be
so inquisitive about Duncan.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
He's threatened.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
He is threatened, and he's threatened and I didn't really
see that part coming.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
I think he's threatened by Duncan's intellectualism, not saying that
that Aiden is a dumb guy, but he can clock
that Carrie and Duncan have similar interests and him and
Carrie don't really have anything in common, and they never
really did. But you know there's a threat there.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Well to me, that to me, that gives more weight
to him putting that script on that table.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Mm hmm. I look at it like if I don't
like rock climbing or physical activity, and my man has
a neighbor who loves rock climbing and physical activity. Some
of my insecurity might jump out, especially if you're referencing you,
you know you calling me all homegirls style and referencing
like he'sh just so crazy we went to go climb it, Like, yeah,

(58:15):
now I'm strapping, strapping up, boots on the ground, I'm
learning how to rock climb.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
You know mine, mine too.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
So then we see this beautiful shot of Carrie, Miranda
and Charlotte, and Carrie is reading a poem titled Happily
ever After by Katinka Solmes Henry, and the poem, which
I think is going to matter in the as we
wrap up this season, says, I've spent my entire adult
life haunted by the elusive concept of happiness. Is happiness

(58:44):
a myth, a gift, a skill to master? Welcome to
my version of Happily ever after?

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Hmmm.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
And after Carrie reads this poem, the three ladies launch
into a discussion around happiness, and Charlotte mentions that she
finds the exhibit interesting because we all evolve and change
over times. She brings up the eighties compared to now
and she says, think about the things we let go
of and the things that we hold on to. All
of this, I'm locking in my little bank because I'm like,

(59:14):
what's gonna show up for us? And Carrie mentions she
makes a little joke that she is holding on to
this belt that she's wearing like all of the fashions
were fashioning, but she bought this belt in nineteen eighty nine.
And then we get an introduction to another storyline where
Miranda uses herself as an example, which I was like,
tell your testimony, sis, when she starts comparing herself to

(59:37):
where she was mentally and emotionally just last year, and
she tells them that Joy asked if she could leave
the bottle of Jennet at her house, and we should
mention that Charlotte looked mortified, carry looked inquisitive, and it
got Miranda to thinking that maybe I'm not an alcoholic,
maybe I'm alcohol ish. And I have in all caps

(59:57):
that Miranda is playing a dangerous game. But I think
that this thought trail is common.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
You know it is, and I kind of appreciated it actually,
because you know, I'm not an expert in alcoholism, but
I do wonder. I have thought about this. It's not
for myself, but for other people. You know, are you
an alcoholic, a lifelong alcoholic? Is there a period of alcoholism?

(01:00:24):
You know, if you are, if you are a recovered alcoholic,
does that mean that you can't have a drink again?
And I know they say that it's a disease, and
I'm not and I'm not discounting that at all, but
I do think from what I've seen that there are
varying levels to that disease. I guess there are. I

(01:00:44):
think that you know, that is most severe. It's a
you know, physical dependency on this chemical. And then on
the opposite end, it's a you know, I can't drink
this because I know that it's bad for me right now,
and that's it, you know, right now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
To your point, we've seen examples of people who are
on that more dangerous end of the spectrum where detoxing
has them like cold sweats and shaping and people in
AA like Miranda. You brought up an interesting point though,
because I never gave that any thought. I just looked
at it. When you're recovering alcoholic, you literally never touch
alcohol again. I never looked at it with like it

(01:01:22):
might be this period of time, because that does loop in.
Because Miranda, of course, ever the litigious lawyer. Miranda, she
supports her case by mentioning that she hasn't always been
an alcoholic. Carrie and Charlotte know this because they've known
her since forever, and she says, I think the main
reason I started drinking was that I was unhappy in
my marriage, in my career, and I was questioning my sexuality,

(01:01:43):
which sounds like and yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
That's a fair point. I mean, if there are certain
triggers that trigger you to drink in the movie those triggers,
then are you able to drink under your own free
will or like a happy trigger?

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
So I'll say I'll say this about my which I've
never said publicly. I do not drink in my apartment anymore.
I don't think I've ever said this publicly. I do
not drink in my apartment and I have a full bar.
But I'm also not tempted. I'm not Miranda, no shade,
but I'm also not an alcoholic. And the reason why
I don't drink in my apartment and I've limited it

(01:02:18):
to only drinking socially, is because when we were on
lockdown and quarantine and the pandemic of five years ago.
I was drinking a lot in here, which was weird
because I was like classic La girl, right, like I
was making my own salad dressing and like having like
salads and avocado toasts every day homemade. And but I

(01:02:39):
was also there were some mornings where I was having
little titos at eight am, and it seemed normal because
you know, we all were in lockdown. Ain't no reason
to go to sleep at a reasonable hour. Like I
was really in the house living what felt like Groundhog's day,
because La does the weather never changes, so it's like
the same day over and over and over. And yeah,

(01:03:00):
I would get out and get fresh air and stuff.
But I was also because I was reporting on COVID,
I was also deathly afraid of it. You know, you
and I talked a lot during the pandemic. I even
did a podcast with you, Drinks with Denver at the
height of that, And so I related to it in
that sense. Because my journals from twenty twenty are very

(01:03:22):
painful to read. I just started rereading them just literally
like a few months ago, and I was going through
a lot at the time, and there were circumstances that
drove me to drink. There were people in my life
who were affecting me to the point where I was
looking for an escape. I was dealing with insomnia and
couldn't go to sleep, and so yeah, I was having

(01:03:43):
a little vodka to go to sleep. Then you know,
like So's, it was a slip, very slipery slope that
I could have went down. But I have lost any
and all interest. I do not want to drink alone,
and I do not want to drink in my apartment.
And I have not had a drink by myself in
my apartment in five years. And see that changing only socially.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
See my only contingency is I don't drink when I'm sad,
because when I'm sad, and I have and thin I
don't drink when I'm sad.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I've been crying in the clubs.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
I don't know, like like I'll like I'll be upset,
like annoyed, or you know, like I'll go through something.
But if I'm like, I know when I'm sad, you know,
I just I stay away. I know I have I
have a really good relationship with alcohol, and I kind
of think I kind of always have. There was a
period before I moved to La twenty twelve, the whole
last year it was really rough, and I was drinking

(01:04:42):
a lot. Not alcoholic, don't get me wrong. Yeah, No,
I was easily clearing like a bottle of wine, two
bottles of wine a day at twenty one. Why because
you know, and there's also a time where I didn't
really realize that all of the shit that I was

(01:05:04):
going through, you know, I got hit by a drunk driver,
and I had going through a breakup, and I lost
a friend, and my family life was sucked up in
this weird like all of these like little things that
all happened like this a year period that you just
kind of like, you keep moving, you brush off, but
I think they kind of had a cumulative effect on
just my psyche.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
So I'm going to work and I'm functioning, and I'm
you know, an Apple smiley, you know, but I was
also drinking at work. But I was functioning, you know,
but going on break going to what was it, fucking
apple Bee's and getting margarita, then coming back, then going home,
then going out to the party. I was just drinking
a lot, a lot, a lot, and I didn't really
understand why, you know, and so I stopped. When I moved,

(01:05:48):
I was like, well, I mean fresh, sorry, I'm gonna move.
But I didn't stop intentionally though. That's the thing. I
didn't stop intentionally. I just my surroundings changed everything that
I left circumstance. Yeah changed. Yeah, you know, I just
stopped drinking.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Like when you mentioned the bottle of wine a day,
I too was doing that. At one point. I just
thought about, like years ago, when I worked in unscripted
like reality TV. It was nothing. I thought nothing of it,
especially when Trader Jones had the two dollars bottle Back
in the day. I would definitely go buy me a
couple of bottles, and I would come home after work

(01:06:27):
and it would only be like one, Yeah, it would
be one bottle of wine, which is a few glasses.
I'd have my wine goblet and be catching up on
you know, lov and hip hop or whatever, or watching whatever,
Wendy or whatever, and I'd go to sleep, wake up
and do it all over here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
But it wasn't affecting me like I was showing up.
I was just doing everything like I was, you know,
I was generally like happy, you know, like it wasn't nobody,
It didn't affect a thing at all. It was just so.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
So I have a I have a question that's also
on the end of this because Miranda also entertains the
thought that maybe she over corrected, maybe she was never
an alcoholic and she overcorrected, which I was like, that's
is such a sharp thing, that's such a mean thing
to jump off the deepens, and carry also asks her,
I understand questioning your sexuality, but questioning your alcoholism. And

(01:07:19):
that's when Miranda says that she over corrected.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
She might might have. And I feel that's why I
was so intrigued by this because I never once I've
ever been like, oh, I'm an alcoholic, you know, because
it wasn't. It was never even that deep. But I
wonder had I I don't know, had had something would
have ever happened to have drawn me to that conclusion.
But I have just been an alcoholic my entire life,
because in that weird period one day I was like,

(01:07:41):
I'm an alcoholic, and then now I'm an alcoholic, you
know what I mean? So that I never ever thought
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
That brings me to my question that I want to
ask you. And I want us both to remove ourselves because.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
The question that I have written, I said, my alcoholic, now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
How do you approach how do you broach this conversation
with a friend? I'm trying when I was watching the scene,
I was trying to imagine a friend of mine beyond alcoholism, right,
any sort of addiction now in my face, saying things
along the lines of what Miranda saying, How as a

(01:08:20):
friend do you then? Because Carrie and Charlotte were stunned,
so how do yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Go ahead? I mean, I think I think I would
have listened. I mean I would have I would have
been like I mean, I mean, I think, honestly, Carrie
hands it perfectly. I don't know enough about this. You know,
I'm really not the one to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
You know, maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, Like, go
talk to your sponsor, or your therapist or somebody who's
been there, because I'm sure, as as an alcoholic, you're
not the first person to have thought this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Oh you know what I mean, nothing, no longer the sun.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
I would have encouraged her to go talk to her
whoever's in the program or a sponsor. Yeah, she was
in it, and she's going to AA bring this up
in AA, because she did it at the very beginning
of the season when she ran into the little the
babysitter at the bar. Yes, yeah, he's like, oh, I'm
an alcoholic blah blah. Yeah, work in the program or whatever.
So I'm sure there's somewhere in the program there's a resource.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
I'm surprised that this wasn't covered in that sitcom Mom,
which I didn't watch when.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
It was and yesh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
I binged it. No, it's not Lisa Kudro, it's the
other lady. God, you just made me forget her name,
Alison Janny. I think it's her name.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Yeah, same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
No, it was just I binged it when it was
on Hulu. It's now on Netflix. If you have not
watched the sitcom Mom, it's so it is just textbook sitcom.
It's so funny, it's good. It's good. But I can't
remember whether or not they covered this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Huh. It just ended within like the last couple of years, right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to say it ended
like in twenty twenty two, so then you know, But
we should also mention that in this conversation, Miranda talks
about how easy. What's driving this for her is things
are so easy and fun with Joy right now, and
she doesn't want to interrupt that because she's having fun.
She does not She said, do I have to be
defined by the by my darkest chapter? I remember she

(01:10:17):
did the voice, Oh Joy, I'm an alcohol And this
loops me back to my conversation around disclosure at the
top of you know, earlier in this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
But go ahead, and again, I think that's a really
powerful question, just not just alcoholism, but just in general,
like do I have to be defined by my darkest chapter?

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
No, I don't think anyone has to. But also, when
do you disclose something like that? Her enjoy are still
fairly fresh, So when do you go beyond like, oh,
I don't I just don't drink. I mean, I battle alcoholism.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
I feel like there's a part in the program that
teaches you when you're supposed to do this, and I
don't feel like grand is following the steps. I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
But even if.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
I feel like social situation and dating, I've watched enough
TV to know they say like, if you're recovering, stay
away from like triggering or whatever, like emotional emotional situations.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Even with that Denver. There, I think we both can
agree there's no textbook way, even if there are steps,
every situation is so different, there's really no there's suggestions
that programs can give, but there's no textbook follow points A,
points B, point C. Because everything, every situation that you're
in is going to be so different, and this one
is different. Like, I don't know if I would disclose

(01:11:33):
if I was battling alcoholism or recovering alcoholic. I don't
know if I would to disclose that to someone someone
who's fresh in my life, especially if Miranda's not like
well we'll see later this episode, but not like losing
her mind around drinks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
No, but but but I will say for Miranda to
have such a thought provoking question to herself, I would
expect her to also think, Hmmm, am I having these
thoughts because it's something innate within me that I'm questioning myself?
Or is it because there's some in my life who's
not making me questions?

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Because if she don't want to answer that because she
having a good it's because of joy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
That's a problem and that and that's a joy and
so that is kind of like the line from which
I'm like Okay, well, in this case, you're definitely still
an alcoholic. Now. If she was just sitting at home
one day and was like having this deep moment asking
herself all of these things, and I'd be like, Okay,
maybe she's not. Maybe you know, she's done the work.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
I love that. In the scene Charlotte's Charlotte suggests that
Joy would probably benefit from knowing Miranda's story, since Miranda
has worked so hard to get to this point in
her life. Charlotte was kind of doing it for me
this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
I was like, Okay, come on, girl, And.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
That's when the vertigo hits and Charlotte has to go
take a seat.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
And I think we're gonna take a break.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Okay, let's take a break then finish this thing up.
All right, we're back, and we're still at the art gallery,
Charlotte's art showing, and mister Andrews is back. For those
who don't know, of course, this actor who his name
is Mark in the show, but Denver and I call
and mister Andrews because it is If you've seen Titanic,
then you know exactly who he is. But he's chatting

(01:13:06):
with Gia and Giuseppe and Gio wants to purchase some
artwork for Giuseppe haring a bascuiot, and she also reveals
that she has been looking for looking at loss for
Giuseppe to move, but he is not interested. He likes
his apartment, but he's never there because he spends most
of his time at Anthony's. And that's when Gia says, yes,

(01:13:29):
small and old. Then Giuseppe breaks out, I am too,
I'm ready, Gia, don't need to be in next week's episode,
be back in Italy. So Giuseppe starts speaking Italian, and
that's when mister Andrew says, oh, I speak a little Italian.
You love him, love who Warhol or Hockney, And Giuseppe's
like Anthony, I love Anthony and as Anthony walks up

(01:13:51):
and Gia walks away with miss Andrews and throws one
last dagger by saying, take me away from this nonsense,
show me something substantial that will asked she's real shady Anthony.
Anthony is convinced that she wants him and their relationship dead,
so he makes this joke. He's like this car was
following me. I think she put a hit out on me.

(01:14:13):
Giuseppe suggests to Anthony that he invite Gia to his
home and cook for her, and Anthony likes the idea.
What did you think about this, because he's trying to
win her over, because you know that they say when
you are in a relationship, well it's typically when you're married,
but when you marry someone, you marry the family. You know,
what do you think about this with him trying to
win her over?

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
I think it's a waste of time, I think. And
also this is when I kind of started to fall
with Giuseppe. Like, your mom is latantly disrespecting your man.
Mm hmmm, you're just like whatever, Like it's his it's
his job to make her like him. Absolutely not. Yeah,
stand up to your mom.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Some people react that way, some mama's boys and daddy's
girls react that way. But yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Love you cool or you gotta go. You know, it's
just not cool.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Now we're standing around with its Joy and Miranda and
Carrie and Aiden. Joy hands Miranda her champagne glass because
she has to go to the restroom. And Miranda we
see her staring and examining this glass and it looks
like she's thinking about taking a sip and that's when
Charlotte spots her and tries to walk over, but before
she can stop her, she's like Miranda, No, the vertigo

(01:15:24):
kicks in so bad that Charlotte ends up falling on
the art installation, on the mattress with the used condom
in front of everyone. I just I'm just glad that
mattress was there, because Charlotte's face would have been destroyed
if that mattress wasn't there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Yeah, fair point, fair point.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
Like that vertigo was really bad.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Yeah, I need to google vertigo because I just don't
know enough clearly.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
So now we're in the theater with LTW and Marion
and I was like, who that don't sound like no
damn documentary plan you're talking about it. We had such
intense energy. It was a piano and my horn, so
clearly is something with music. There's a lot of innu
window going on and whoa. Things get a little steamy
because Marian he didn't moved his thigh, his knee touching

(01:16:10):
lt W's leg, and she can't take it anymore. She's
she's about to blow.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
She she she get.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
I knew as soon as it rolled off my tongue.
I was like this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Another levels if touched my leg, I probably would.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
I I wish I could say more on this show,
but I can't, so lt W she decides to leave.
At this point, she don't give a damn about Michelle Obama.
She has kids and sells her smart But on her
way out, yeah, she's going around Maryon. They lock eyes
and and it lingers.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Oh, he knows exactly what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
He knows he you know, he tearing her up. Ooh,
y'all make me sick, y'all. So then we get LTW.
She's in a store picking up that pink celticer and
she calls Charlotte and she's like, bitch, it has gone
past flirting, it's now flirting. And Charlotte, of course, is like,

(01:17:12):
you didn't do anything wrong. Yeah, oh yes, we should
mention this. Charlotte can barely turn the keys to her
own front door. She is like about to like fully
crash out, and I was like, well, where's that over her?
Is quasi motive?

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Yeah, go home by herself after falling. I would imagine
somebody at the galley.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Yeah, that's a story, because there's no way that she
would win home solo after doing that. But then we
get Mary and is calling Elgw's like should I answer,
and Charlotte's like, yes, answer. And so Marion is there
with Terry Kirk from Higher Ground, which is actually the
Obama's production company, which I forgot to text my friend.

(01:17:56):
I have a friend that works at Higher Ground, and
I want to know if Terry Kirk is a real person,
said like, is this a cameo? And so h Terry
Kirk is there from Higher Ground, as I mentioned, and
there now LTW is tasked with pitching the Michelle Obama
and her project over the phone. And I have in
my notes that sucks. I always prefer in person conversations,

(01:18:17):
especially when it comes home to business.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
I just feels in general, I want to see there's
a lot of expression, there's a lot of nonverbal communication.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
Yes I do, and and no, zoom is not a
substitute I need in person. I prefer in person.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
And so now we're wrapping the episode up. Miranda is
at home getting some work done and watching Love Island
or whatever it's called in this show by Bingo or whatever,
and she decides to grab a snack of Pepperich Farm
cookie and.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
She's spots, which I love.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Yeah, But also I felt like that brand recognition is
just so on par with Miranda, Like Miranda would have
a few things of Pepperich Farm cookies. Oh for sure,
it's just so Miranda. But she spots this bottle of
gin and we could tell that it is tearing her
up right, She's she's munching on that cookie extra hard.
She then grabs the bottle, opens it smells it. In

(01:19:13):
this moment, I was like, Miranda, I was acting like
Charlotte at the art gallery.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Miranda, No, see in this moment, I was like, oh, no, girl,
you're an alcoholic like you. You you got the bottle
and you're sniffing it. Ye, never in my life has

(01:19:39):
it been a bottle.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
I was like, I've only done that with wine. When
you do the notes, it's yell when you do that,
for sure, But like hard liquor, that's crazy. That's so
she even pours some in the glass and it's still
examining and sniffing it, and then she just like snaps
out of it and pours it down the sea sink
and she puts the gin back in the cabinet. She

(01:20:00):
then goes back to her laptop and tries to get
back to work, but she can't. She gets up, grabs
the bottle of gin and tosses it, walks it outside
of her apartment and tosses it in the trash shoot
and I was like, girl, after Joy just talked about
how expensive and rare that, But.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Now the not telling I mean, telling Joy you're an
alcoholic would not have ended your relationship. But breaking that girls,
foreign bottle of gin, that'll do it, because I feel
like Joey's the type of person who's not gonna play that.
And she's like, what the fuck do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
You know what I mean, this rare bottle.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
I feel like Joy will take that personally.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
Yeah, And she emphasized how rare and special the bottle
is and getting it over the Canadian border and all
of this stuff, and that was a hard You could
tell that that glass was quality glass the way that
it hit the ground glass.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Now Mariana's got to go to Canada to replace it
before Joy comes back over. And knowing this show out,
she's a lesbian, so she has like seven.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
I wouldn't be surprised if in this show we see
Miranda in Montreal next episode, so then we not the
a I'm glad that we're wrapping this up. So our
final scene Carrie in her MacBook. She's working on her
book and she is writing about the woman, this woman,

(01:21:21):
this character finding relief and happiness, and Carrie seems to
be content. It seems like she's what threw me off
is at the end. I can't tell if she's talking
about Aiden where she's talking about Duncan, but I think
it's Aiden, because she has not come to terms yet
with her. She cannot fully stand in her attraction to

(01:21:42):
Duncan yet, she's not even ready to admit it to herself,
and so I think it's about Aiden. And because she's
talking about the Red Bird, how it comes back and
it's so assuring. And then the last scene we get
is her in the bed, and I couldn't tell you all.
Let me know, I couldn't tell if Carrie was sleep
or if she was just laying there with her eyes
open because it's such a quick scene before the credits roll.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
So that's when she was typing. I wasn't sure. Then
it cut to them in the bed and then I
was like, okay, so maybe her typing was kind of
what LTW was doing, Like she's trying to convince herself
that this is, you know, she got a work thing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
They definitely have some parallels this episode her in LTW definitely,
So Denver, how do you rate this episode four?

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
I'll give it four and a half for Maryon and
his papaya. You know, it was thirty three minutes mm hmm,
and I feel like there was really a lot going on.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
You know, it was definitely one of those transition episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
I mean, in honesty, in that very first conversation when
LTW and Charlotte were walking, she was like, I had
a sex stream that could have easily have been so
marry anybody to a movie and we touched legs and
I'm having these feelings and that entire storyline could have
been summed up in a walk. We just it gave us,
didn't do anything. I don't feel like we got anywhere.

(01:23:10):
And there was no like Aidan Duncan confrontation. Aiden was there.
They had sex and then okay like that and see
so so phone call like nothing happened.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
So I agree with you to an extent though, because
the way I looked at this episode, I give it.
What do I give it? Out of ten? I didn't
even think about this, I give it a six out
of ten. You before I get gave it a six
because I looked at these this episode as introing storylines
that'll eventually because we're at like we're just over the

(01:23:43):
halfway mark, that'll be tied up an episode time, like
we're going to be referencing. We're going to be referencing
certain scenes and certain moments from this particular episode in
the coming weeks. I think everything was a setup, the
asking of Aiden, asking about Duncan and in interrogating that,
and the host of other things. The Marion thing, that walk.

(01:24:05):
I felt like that walk and talk was necessary because
we didn't see Marion for like the past two episodes,
so we got to set that up. The only interaction
ltw is Marion had was on the plane when she
was getting off, so it was like I felt so
I felt that a lot of things in this episode,
even though a bit disjointed, I felt like they were
necessary because it feels open ended and I'm interested to

(01:24:26):
see where they're going to land this plane. It feels
like a setup. If everything was a setup for we
don't know what's going to happen in plot point B. Well,
That's how I believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
What do you think is going to happen with this vertigo?
Do you think it's going to be like.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
A factor no height as I As I mentioned when
when we first brought it up, I think it was
just one of those storylines that they just threw in
for Charlotte, one of those. It made me think of
the premiere with Richard Burden and the dog with the
crazy Karen. I don't think the vertigo is going anywhere,
but I think everything. I feel like they didn't have
anything to do with Charlotte this episode, but everybody else

(01:24:59):
they did everybody else. They had lots of material to massage,
and even with them not having a lot to do
with Charlotte this episode, the focus it was like they
gave Charlotte and Harry a break because he's recovering from surgery.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
See it feels like to me, with the length and
the fact that old Boy was in the picture and
not in the episode, I feel like this episode got
like a last minute recut for some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Maybe it was yeah, maybe so there's a lot of
stuff that just maybe so maybe so we never know
what these things.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
And then like Adam and Seema, they had sex and
they went to dinner and then talked about like it
just it was.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
No, well the dinner was then the day after.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Okay, so what like cause.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
This episode takes place over I think two days, just
two days this particular episode, because they talked about when
when it was time for Charlotte's Charlotte invited LTW to
her gallery show. She said, tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
I'm not just beating the time. I'm just saying like,
that's all, that's all, that's all we're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Well, you all let us know what you all, let
us know what you think. Yes, of course in the comments,
and of course let us know it's speakpipe dot com
slash where. Just like that, leave us a voice note.
If you want your voice to be heard, give us
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friend and with that, I guess we'll chat.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Episode nine. We will, same time, same place.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Bye y'all

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