Nothing Beats a Jet2 Holiday

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, Hey, it's shar this is and we're just like that.
Welcome to the unofficial recap podcast for Max's original series.
And just like that, we're so excited, Denver. So you're ready,
I'm ready, all right, so let's get things started. All right,
here we are. It is the final, final, final episode,

(00:26):
the series finale oven just like that, Denver, how do
you feel in tonight? I know you're in Mexico.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
I am. I am in Cancun. That's why the lighting
is a little bit different. But I'm sad for reasons,
for reasons, I can't believe it's over. Yeah, and I
don't want to say too much yet. Yeah, Yeah, I'm sad.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, because we do. We do have some speak pipes
to get through, and you know, I'm I'm I'm sad
as well. But I did want to start with this.
I did want to address something that I've seen pop
up in our comments more than once, and it's bothered
me because I noticed, specifically on YouTube, there have been
more than one comment and people are entitled to their opinion,

(01:12):
but the critique on the show quote unquote failing because
of wokeness.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I won't be before you long, but I have to
get this off my chest. I'm going to start by saying,
I literally hate the way that Wokeness has been bastardized
and hijacked, right that the title woke and wokeness. I
also think that to blame this show, to blame this

(01:41):
show for going down and flame so to speak, on
wokeness's intellectually lazy because it is a reflection of the writing.
I don't think it's a reflection of the characters, right.
I think it's more so a reflection of the writing
because it didn't really explore. But I do want to
remind people that these are women of a certain socio
political status, and people might find the integration of different

(02:03):
types of people and different types of story unbelievable, but
it's very believable, specifically for this group of friends. This
is a very learned and bookish group of friends. We
have an attorney that worked for the ACLU, We have
someone that works at an art gallery and a writer,
so it's not uncommon. And I think it's also reflective
of life happening around us. It's New York City, so
it might be deemed woke to someone who might be

(02:25):
maybe in a dubuque Iowa or like a Kesuesco, Mississippi.
And that's no shade to anyone listening or watching for
the I'm just saying, like New York is a diverse city.
It is, And I don't think that the introduction because
blaming wokeness can that's a blanket term. Like what are
you talking about when you say wokeness? Are you talking

(02:45):
about the inclusion of like maybe rock being non binary?
Are you talking about j ds? Are you talking about
SEMA and LTW and NYA? What are you talking about
when you say woke? And I think that the even
though in cities like New York, Los Angeles, major city,
oftentimes things can be siloed off, right like friends versus
living single, It can be siloed off in that dramatic

(03:06):
of a way. But again, I think that even the
women on Fifth Avenue can get mixy because there's class
solidarity there. Absolutely, you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
You know, I get what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's like, can you roll with me? Can you can
you drop everything and go to the Hampkins with me
type thing? Like you can roll with me economically and
we have similar tastes, So all of that raw raw raw,
some of the riff raft that might come up for
the common folk might not come up for them because
they they're not addressing it in the ways in which
we would. And so I just wanted to touch on that.
I mean, I don't know if you have anything to say,

(03:38):
but it was bothering me. I'm like, y'all, are do
you know what show you watching? You're watching?

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Like I mean, fair, Fair, I mean, and if I'm
just kind of stepping back, I mean, I will say
I do think the first season went heavy handed and
trying to shove too many new ideas into one thing.
I agree, And I think that was a big criticism
of season one, and I think people kind of took
that and ran.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
With it and just held onto it.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Because when you say that, now, I don't understand what
to your point on what is woke about it? Because
it's certainly not the storylines. Yeah, like you know, we're
not We're not doing anything outside of what the ladies
have been doing for decades now.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
But that's why I.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
Really I know you're finding the unquote the quote unquote
wokeness doesn't really affect anything other than just the presence
of different people. Oftentimes in the background.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
That's why I say it's intellectually lazy, because I agree
with you. If we were critiquing season one, I wouldn't
use the term wokeness. But they did throw a lot
of diversity at us in different ways for season one, a.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Lot of progressive ideas.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Progressive ideas, yes, and there's no harm in that. It's
just the way in which it was executed. My critique
will never be and people can take this how they
want to. It is never on the actors, their performances,
or the characters, because every actor I think does a
pretty decent job. It is on and I've seen people
talk about this or bring it up, like I was

(05:07):
laughing watching This Girl's TikTok because I had forgotten there
are so many dangling like storylines that pop up that
we just never get a predicate to. We get the subject,
and we never get a predicate. So she kind of
went through the seasons like, well, what happened to this
one character? What happens when? When this happened? Because there
was never any real follow up and so, and that's
also not necessarily a slight towards the writer's room, but

(05:30):
I do want to know it.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
It kind of should be though, But I want to know.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
What the dry erase board looked like when when when
they were planning out the seasons, what did the dry
erase board look like, because it just seemed like everybody
wrote that episode and didn't talk to each other.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
I mean, I think there was like a bigger vision
initially for the show, and then I think the reception
made them kind of like team it a little bit,
and then they weren't sure if they were going to
get a second season, so then they kind of were
like kind of writing as it when you really have
the confidence or necessarily the time to push a lot

(06:05):
of stuff out, you know what I mean. Like I
felt very like, finished one episode, Okay, we're gonna do another,
like very touch and go. I think, a very touch
and go for all yes.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
And I mean, granted we don't know the ins and
outs of what might have been happening behind the scenes,
but I felt compelled to address that because it irritated
me seeing that in our comments, because that I don't
look at that. I think it's just lazy to say
that that was the failure. And I'm using air quotes
when I say this, due to the camp what led
to the cancelation of the show. If you can't watch

(06:36):
diverse TV, if you can't watch diversity on TV rather
and different types of people, then maybe like, like, how
do you go out into the world. That's why I
said you have to be like I imagine you're siloed off.
I don't know. I don't want to. I don't want
to rant and belabor. I just I'm rattling this topic.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
It it's one of our last times to do it,
because I mean, this is all coming to an end and.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
It's New York's city. Hello, Like, what do you mean
you're surrounded by queer and trans people, You're surrounded by
black and brown people.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, but they don't realize it because they're not in
their face. But they don't have to look around and
actually see these people as people.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well, everybody to hop into these speak pipes.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
We're ten minutes in and we got five speak pipes
before we tackle this damn episode, which is titled Party
of One, Season three, episode twelve. I didn't even introduce
the damn episode title and number because that's how pissed
I was at those comments. Okay, so our first let's
see Our first speak pipe comes from Jared Hill. Hi, Jared,

(07:41):
a friend and a fellow aries of yours and a friend.
Let's hear what Jared has to.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Say, Denver and shar I have to immediately come listen
to you guys talk about episode eleven. After watching it
and learning last week that we're getting the end of
this series, I'm feeling all kinds of different ways. I
have to say, Like, I don't believe that we already

(08:09):
knew that this was going to be the end, which
is I think they maybe found out in the middle,
Like I don't think we want to do any more
of this, which is why they did the twelve episodes
instead of ten, because I definitely thought episode ten was
the end of the season and was surprised to hear
we were getting more episodes, but then learning that it
was the end of the series. I think y'all's predictions
are pretty good.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
My only prediction for.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
This finale was that, I mean, by the time this airs,
we will have seen it. But I am guessing that
Carrie's voice over about meeting someone new or going to
a party and it being the party of someone of
a new man or whatever, it kind of suggested to
me that like Carrie might meet someone new, and I

(08:52):
don't think she's going to fall in love with him
or something like that, but I do like, kind of
to Shark's point at the end of the episode, that
it kind of leaves the possibility of like something new.
I'm really disappointed and sad that this show is ending,
and I mean and just like that. But also we're
just like that. And as much as people are suggesting
I'll do a new show, I think y'all do. We're

(09:13):
just like this and it's following y'all love the show. Hope,
y'all are great, and here we go.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Thank you, Jared, I mean, very sweet as usual, per
the usual, and I mean, I agree, you know, episode
eleven left things open. But as he mentioned, by the
time this airs, it's currently Thursday night. Yeah, it already aired.
So our next one comes from Oh we have two

(09:40):
and two, So we have two from Brianna and two
from Kelly. Okay, so let's go in alphabetical order. So
this is Brianna's first message.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
Hi Denver, Hi shar This is Brianna leaving a second
speak pipe because I'm at the end of you guys'
most recent episode and I'm a little bit confused now
about the a news and announcement of the series ending

(10:14):
with next week's episode, because Michael Patrick King made it
seem like, you know, him and Sara Juska Parker kind
of aligned on this when they started, I guess writing
the third season or when they were in the process
of writing it. But now I'm starting to see headlines
that Sarah Juska Parker was blindsided and that it's not

(10:37):
what she wanted, and that she felt like, you know,
she made HBO so much money with this character, and
that there's still more to do, and that she was
doing so much to prepare for season four. So I'm confused.
What do y'all think? Do y'all think that something is
going on that's not being shared? Do y'all think that
Michael Patrick King is, you know, not being truly honest

(11:00):
and forthcoming on why the show is abruptly ending where
it is now. Yeah, we'd love to hear you all
thoughts around this. You may have a justice in the
episode that I just listened to, But I'm just I'm
sad and I'm confused. So what do y'all think?

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Oh Brianna, thank you for that sweet message.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yes, and she did the idea. Yes. I'm not going
to say it on air.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I was about to say, you Ben told me a
damn thing.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Going on, but I'll tell you we will. We'll convene
and we have a lot of ideas.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
I'm trying to remember all of what she said. That's
the trouble with these speak fights. I'm like, Okay, I'm
gonna I'm gonna respond to that, and then I forget
because it goes on and on and on.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
She said she's been meeting to so thank you for yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Thank you for finally, you know, leaving us a message,
because we do love hearing from you. But I can't
remember what she addressed, but I remember, I agree, Oh
that's what it was. It just it just came to me.
I noticed that that it said on the season finale
of in just like that. It did not like last week.
It was not cued up to say on the series finale.
They might have updated it now.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
The graphics today when they were like, our series finale
is now.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah. So the theories are theorizing this is Brianna park.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Two, Hi Denver, Hi Shahar, this is Brianna leaving a
second speak pipe because I'm at the end of you
guys' most recent episode and I'm a little bit confused
now about the a news and announcement of the series

(12:50):
ending with next week's episode, because Michael Patrick King made
it seem like, you know, him and Sara Juska Parker
kind of aligned on this when they started, I guess
writing the third season or when they were in the
process of writing it. But now I'm starting to see
headlines that Sarah jusk Parker was blindsided and that it's

(13:13):
not what she wanted, and that she felt like, you know,
she made HBO so much money with this character, and
that there's still more to do, and that she was
doing so much to prepare for season four. So I'm confused.
What do y'all think? Do y'all think that something is
going on that's not being shared? Do y'all think that
Michael Patrick King is, you know, not being truly honest

(13:36):
and forthcoming on why the show is abruptly ending where
it is now. Yeah, we'd love to hear you all
thoughts around this. You may have addressed this in the
episode that I just listened to, but I'm just I'm
sad and I'm confused. So what do y'all think.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
I'm glad you brought this up.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
So do we want to talk about it in this episode?
Or do we want to? I mean, how do you
want to?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Just I'll just I'll. My breadcrumb to this conversation is
that I also saw those unconfirmed reports, and I also
believe that I believe that s JP was gearing up
for season for its limit.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
So last week when we were talking about it, I
was like, well, but he said that they were writing,
and I believed him. The more as things have played
out and the headlines come out, you know, I'm a
headline guy, you know, working in celebrity news like this is,
you know what I do for a living. The more
that the streets are whispering, the more I'm inclined to
believe that she's actually pissed. Yeah, and I'll and I'll
throw in and I'm sure we'll get more into this

(14:50):
next week's episode. Ye throw in. Threads did an event
with the JP, a fuller brunch.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Oh Martha's vineyard, right.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
I don't know where it was.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I think I saw the pictures.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
But I saw a clip of her speaking about the
end and her thoughts and how she felt, and she
was visibly, to me struggling to find the right words.
Now it seems like her and Michael Patrick King they've aligned.
Like there, you know, she's not speaking ill, she's not
visibly angry in how she's delivering the message. But if

(15:26):
you sit there and watch it, you can tell that
she's trying to not tarnish the legacy.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
So she's trying to be very very very very particular
and how she phrases things and that to me says
that says everything.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
And thank you for that. But I went back and
read her her farewell note and I read different eyes
after these reports came out. I read it in a
different tone and with different eyes. And to Michael Patrick King,
the part that Breonna mentioned about Michael Patrick King, why
am I tripping over my words tonight? As someone who

(16:01):
works and is in and around Hollywood, sometimes you really
do have to to choose your words in an effort
not to damage a relationship. Right, So, the relationship with HBO,
I'm sure he doesn't want to it to go down
in flames for potential future projects. If this is true,

(16:23):
and yet it's it's playing a weird, fucked up game
pardon my French, but like for lack of better terms,
because it oftentimes it is, it's messed up. It's messed up,
and you got to find a way as the public
facing person to tap dance and answer to the public
while the brass that sits in the office can just
keep pushing buttons and pulling levers and making these dramatic,

(16:44):
drastic decisions and then you're left to pick up the
pieces publicly.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
So yeah, yeah, I do think she was livid. I
do too, I do. I think she is not happy.
And the reports that she's shopping different sex and the
City theme projects around other streamers, those things don't come
out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
And she has been playing this character for a long time.
She's given HBO a lot. She's given them a lot,
all right. And so our final two speech pipes are
from Kelly. So let's listen to what the first part
of what Kelly had to say.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
Hey, Sharon Denver, it's Kelly. Just maybe I'll send a
couple of messages. One is I am disappointed with Michael
Patrick King's writing of women. I feel like he's an
intellectual masturbader and has no idea really and what he's writing,
some of the storylines felt so flat to me. I
feel like, even though Chris Noath, for example, was problematic

(17:44):
to the show with his behavior, there was no mention
of mister Big and that really felt flat, just not
acknowledging the past. Also too, I feel like the insensitivity,
especially with Nicole Ari Parker's character of just saying to
her husband to go on ozembic, to me, that falls flat,

(18:05):
especially with folks of color, Like I just was like, nope,
lack of sensitivity. I want to say with Charlotte and
Rock storyline, there is something to be said for having
one having to decolonialize themselves and let go of the
binary thinking. And I think that there is a process

(18:25):
for parents to go through. It's not just black and white,
but there is a grieving process and I think Charlotte,
we got to witness that of Charlotte, but also Charlotte
one hundred percent accepting Rock for who they are and
that is what's most important. But I do want to
make room that, yeah, there is grief for parents as

(18:45):
a therapist, that that is something that really does happen.
So I just wanted to add that.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Wow, that's a mouthful.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Thank you Kelly, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
And yes, the transition. When you transition, it's a transition
for everyone around you. Now, Denver, what do you want
to tackle first with what Kelly had to say.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
She's not wrong, She's not she's not wrong. And I'm
not going to put it all on m p K
because you know, I don't at this point know how
much he is actually.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Mm hmmm right, because to your point, really quickly, the
times that I have listened to the podcast and understand
him to be the showrunner and stuff like that, but
when I have listened to the podcast, he's oftentimes co
hosting with three women who are in the writer's room
like they alternate. But the entire writing staff I believe
is all women. M So I don't.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Which is even more I guess problematic because there's a
lot of stuff that has fallen flat.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, yeah, there there is. And and you know, this
is a critique that when Darren Starr had sex in
the city, that that he was writing women in inauthentic way.
What the hell is going on with my tongue tonight?
That's okay, I am tripping over my words. It's bothering me.
So much, but in an inauthentic way, especially with like

(20:07):
Samantha's character, people deemed it to be unbelievable that a
woman would be that casual about sex and that hyper
sexual in the way in which she approached it. And so, yeah, Kelly,
you're not wrong. I think that to me that as
I mentioned at the top of the show, that is
my main critique. If I had any critique about it,
just like that, it would be the writing.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, and I wouldn't even know. I would go as
far to say it's not even just women. I would
say that it's the anthony, just just the modern culture.
They're struggling with writing, they're struggling with capturing, whether it's
you know, like the modern women's evolved views, whether it's
portrayed gen z. There's there's a lot of out of touchness,

(20:49):
you know. It's well, we'll talk more on it as
an episode go long, because there's stuff there in.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
This episode interesting. There's also an interesting take about LTW
not being dismissive and just like the just take a
ozempic type thing, that's an interesting take. I'd like to
dig dive deeper into that. Thank you, Kelly, And then
Kelly Kelly Part two, she had more to say. She

(21:15):
did say she might call in a few times then
we can log into the show. Of course, I feel
like we spend the first twenty something minutes doing this
and that's okay, all listen for.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
Okay, and another thing, this is Kelly again. I'm sorry.
I hope that you and Denver shar really do continue
to podcast because it is a lot of joy. It
is a lot of delight. I know you're getting a
lot of requests from listeners and viewers to please continue
on because you do. Your chemistry is great and you

(21:51):
spread joy. So I just wanted to say that, and
I also wanted to say I think that it wasn't
a decision for them to end and the show early.
I think the writing just really went downhill in terms
of the lack of character developments. I feel as though
so many things fell flat. We never mentioned Naya again,

(22:13):
we never mentioned anyone from the podcast. You know, supposedly
Carrie had all these friends that she had made because
she was moving forward, but she dropped a lot of friends.
And I know that friends come and go, but like
at the birthday party for Charlotte, some of those characters
could have been there, So yeah, I just feel a
bit disappointed in how they they just really I just

(22:38):
feel like, you know, Carrie regretting marrying mister Big, because
towards the end before he died, they they demonstrated that
they had a lovely relationship. So I just don't think
that they developed the women in the right way. The
writing ended up being a bit flat. So that's it.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Well, according to Carrie, Big never existed, she was with
Aiden for twenty two years.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, I literally I saw TikTok about that. And to
Kelly's point, for all of the alleged sins that Chris
Noath committed or participated in, that character has nothing to
do with it. There's ways that we can reference that character.
And I do wonder why there was no mention of him.

(23:24):
And it was weird. We never even got in a
reason as to why at Charlotte's birthday party when Carrie
was kind of acting like what Kelly just referenced, like
the regret of marrying John James Preston, and so yeah,
they kind of dropped the ball with not talking about that.
Did Miranda even graduate like she was in school? I

(23:45):
was her professor, Like what happened.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
With that, say a fair point.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, yeah, And to your earlier point, Denver, I do
think that they did, thank God, some cleaning up after
season one because remember how they had aged people up.
I mentioned this last week. You know, Miranda had ahead
a full gray hair, Carrie needed a hip replacement. Like
they breathed new.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Life into the very life alert.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah it was very life alert, Tye, very life alert,
very life alert. So wow, damn Kelly, that was good
and again you're not wrong wrong, all right you all again.
As a gentle reminder, next week, Denver and I are
giving you all a bonus episode of a grand finale,

(24:30):
a grand finale if you will shout out to Karen Huger.
So yeah, get those speak pipes in if you want
to be a part of the discussion, because we're just
going to be recapping, you know, and because there will
be no episode, so we will just be recapping. So
get those go to speakpipe dot com slash We're just
like that, and leave us a voice note. I should

(24:51):
mention you only got a minute in thirty minutes to speak,
so give us a part two. I'm going to ask
for no part threes.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
You know, some.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
People who get a seven parter from someone, So try
to consolidate your thoughts and get them over to us
for next week's episode. So, Denver, are you officially ready
to begin the recap of Party of One, Season three,
episode twelve, the series finale of than just like, do
you want to take a break first?

Speaker 2 (25:23):
I think it'd be a good time to break.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Okay, I need some water anyway, so let's let's do it. Okay,
all right, I got rid of my cotton mouth, and
we are launching into episode twelve of season three, the
series finale of in just like that. So the episode
opens up with Carrie trying out a new restaurant, hence
the title of the episode, Party of One, And the

(25:45):
menu is a bit confusing and it's on an iPad.
The waiter this is this is what I have to say,
and we will dive deeper into this as the episode
goes on. This waiter and the way in which did
they write gen Z. I know that they feel attacked,
but it's so accurate, Like I've seen tiktoks about the

(26:05):
lack of interpersonal skills, like we've seen reports. I have
seen actual news reports around like in job training, like
gen Z having to be trained rude, Yeah, how to
not be rude and how to also like shout out
to Kia over on getting grown. One of her petty
peeves one week was about like she went to like

(26:28):
go get coffee and the girl was just so dismissive
and like, you know how we'd be like, hi, Denver,
how can I help you today?

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Or give me just one second, I'll be right with you.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
I mean one minute, I'll be right with you, like
and it's just like I just stare at you. And
so the when Kia paid, the girl was like thank
you and versus like I feel like millennials and and
other generations we might say, okay, wait, you know that
your coffee will be available for you to pick up
right over there. It's just like, okay, who said that?

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Was it with you? I was talking and they were
saying that when they somebody calls them, they answer the
phone and don't say anything.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yes, I think we were taught us okay, because this
this spilled over to a whole social media argument, and
I'm like, are you a fucking nuts? If you call someone?
If I answered the phone, I.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Say hello, then it's your turn to speak.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Why are we debating this, You're just gonna sit on
the phone breathing the damn iPads. Anyway, That's great. Yeah,
gen Z is showing they asked this episode, I'll put
it that way. And they also have no redeeming qualities
in the show. I saw TikTok that was.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
And and and that's kind of annoying that.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
That was really going in on like Liian Rock and
just like just the disrespect and even Brady we addressed
how like season one hour he was knocking down the walls,
like there's just an overall.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
The writer's room has like a vendetta agains they did,
and I feel like, and I was going to say this,
but I feel like they went out of their way
to portray gen Z is just awful.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, with no redeemable qualities, just needy, naggy, rude in
the way, rude, yeah yeah yeah yeah, so so yeah.
This restaurant also has robot servers. I thought of Japan.
I can't pick up on what type of cuisine this was, though,
but I'm kissing Asian.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
So it was given Kate Barbara, but the entire restaurant.
I was actually kind of laughing because there's one in
century City the mall. It's like a hot pot and
Jay and I went for the first time to try
it and there's robots waiting around. We were so confused.
They were like, yeah, so just pick some stuff and
there's stuff over here. And I feel like a lot
of times with these restaurants, and I say, these is

(28:40):
in like Asian restaurants where you're expected to cook your
own food. Yeah, they kind of expect you to know
what to do already, and it's very intimidating.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
That's what happened with Care. She's like, you picked, but.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
That's an actual thing. Like these restaurants, you walk in
and they're like, all right, well here's the menu. Here's
a menu. You pick your thing, and like you should
know what to do, and I'm like, no, I don't
know what to do. Like I don't I've never used
this grilled table thing before, and all the same, every
spot is not the same. It's not something cooking for you,

(29:12):
so you gotta cook yourself. I'm sorry, I'm sorry I
was losing it. No, sorry, I just pissed me off. Anyway.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
I was just saying, funny enough you When we went
out to Kazu Nor because we were just talking about this.
You because you had been there before, you had to
teach me how. If I would have walked in just
by myself, I would not have known. I think that
was the first restaurant I had been to where they
hand you a pencil and paper and you just write
down how many. But you got to know what you're doing.

(29:40):
Otherwise you're gonna write down you write down six, and
they're gonna give you six of six rolls or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Like right, the directions are not clear.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
How was the hot pot though, I've never had that
only Korean?

Speaker 2 (29:53):
It was good. And it's like a big soup, you know,
you put like corn and meat and toppings and you
just like boil soup at your table and you just eat.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Is it filling? No, it doesn't sound like that would be.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
We feel like a hundred something plus and we were like,
all right, and so what are you about to get
on the way home?

Speaker 4 (30:08):
Shake share?

Speaker 2 (30:09):
But the experience was good good.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
I haven't gone to Korean barbecue in years because I
got so tired of just I can't shower enough. It's
in my hair, it's in my I feel like it's
just it's good. I enjoy Korean barbecue. But the smoke,
the smokiness, I just it's everywhere I can stand smelling
like smoke. So anyway, I thought that was a cute,

(30:33):
funny scene. Oh, we also meet Tommy Tomato because Carrie
is dining alone. Don't play with me.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
They really drove home the alone this episode.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Which I'm like, you all, it's not unusual. I'm not
someone who like freaks out. Like, I've never had an
issue going out alone. We just talked about hotel bars
last week, Like, I have no issue going out alone
and having a meal in a cocktail by myself. But
I also don't have social anxiety. Shout out to all
of you with social anxiety.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
But I yes. My thing is again to the writing,
I mean, there was a period between Big and Aiden
to carry just not go out alone. I'll get you
trying something because the fulg we've seen her out alone before. Yeah,
old series, So why is some novel. I guess she's
more sensitive right now.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
I don't know, maybe maybe so our next scene, we're
in the editing bay for ltw's documentary, and I have
to shout out Blake Newby, she's ancer. I follow her.
I came across her own TikTok. I follow her on
Instagram as well. I think that she's just so smart
and she's gorgeous too, And she was the actress that

(31:36):
was on the screen giving her testimonial for the documentary.
Yeah in the edit bay, so shout out to her.
And then LTW gets a text from Terry Kirk of
Higher Ground Productions, that's the Obama production company, and she
Terry's letting LTW know that Michelle Obama is too well
known to be featured in her series. But Terry is

(31:59):
gonna pass over the rough cut to Michelle and if
she likes it, the former First Lady will consider narrating it.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
So, I mean, I think we've been new. I mean
even LW said, I'm telling you guys this for forever,
unless she's too big for this. We didn't get the
camera and.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Too recent right, Like I remember, it's like Michelle Obama
didn't fit in and we were talking.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
About matters he unknown or something yeah, something like that.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well you got something. Yeah she did,
and I'm happy for her. Even though we didn't get
a came out. I thought we were gonna get a
little treat. See if they had the adequate planning, we
would have had a treat if they think this was
really the series finale. But LTW and Marian are both overjoyed,
and Marian is clearly in a celebratory mood because he
invites LTW out to dinner and she immediately shuts him down. Apparently,

(32:52):
mother Wexley is arriving tonight, and you know LTW has
to tend to her family. We should mention this is
the week of thanks Giving. So Marian's like, that's cool,
let's just go out for a drink since you're in
a time crunch, and LTW declines again, and finally she
finally chooses to address the elephant in the room. Now, Denver,

(33:14):
I have to ask you. I have to ask you.
What did you think Marian was going to say in
response to her during this scene?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
So at first I thought he was going to play
it off, like what are you talking about? Like Moman,
you're crazy, Like I have no idea where you're what
is what is this you're referring to? Yeah, but he didn't.
He just kind of kind of yeah. He let her
get her piece off, and I was like, you know what,
you're right and.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Shout out to her marvelous because she was not, you know,
daydreaming like there was there was some electricity, some synergy,
some chemistry there and so and so ltw is like,
this has to be about work, just work, and we
have to really and whatever, we have to reel in
whatever this is back in because it has to be

(34:04):
about work. And Maryan finally, you know, he sighs. He
also he sighs and he says, you're married. I'm married,
like he agrees. And I loved this line where he said, look, Lisa,
I'm a very good editor and I know enough not
to put the next whatever this is scene into our movie.
It would ruin everything for the both of us.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Will Now, where was that before you invited her to dinner? Injuries?
Because you knew what you were doing, so you couldn't
have been an editor.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
She brought him back down the ground. She brought him
back down the ground because has she not, maybe it
could have snowballed into a workplace affair. They happened every days.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
He was trying to, He was actively trying to. I
think we found out. I think we found he was
actively trying to and as I but as I pretty
we were gonna get some quick scene that was just
gonna just tie it all up and we never hear
about it again.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
I mean, I'm actually glad she didn't cheat. I mean
I'm glad they didn't kiss and that happened. Like sometimes
the sexual tension is all you need.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, but if you're going to build it up, you know,
across an entire season, there should be some more excuse me,
like pay off, but like resolved, shut up, you know
what I mean, Like it just kind of fizzled out.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, And I don't.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Even if it wasn't even if it wasn't going to
end in an affair or cheating, I feel like it
deserved more of a final moment.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
And it could also still spell trouble because now they
both admitted like that this is this is you know
when sometimes when you when you say the quiet part
out loud, a can of worms opens, regardless, the toothpaste
is out of the tube.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Both if you're get into sausage and we can get it,
you know.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
And now we both know that we can never go
out for cocktails even with the group of people because
you just don't know, you.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Don't know what is that But to this and I
believe this is the last time we hear about the
documentary altogether. So we will leave this series not knowing
did Michelle Obama narrate, did she finish it? Did it
take eight more weeks? What? What? What? What?

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Let's assume the best. Let's assume that Michelle Obama and
I feel for ltwcause isn't this documentary supposed to be
on PBS.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Not anymore?

Speaker 1 (36:34):
That's what I'm saying, Like, oh my god. So then
our next scene, we get Stephen Miranda there out at
a Mexican restaurant having dinner and discussing Thanksgiving. Miranda extends,
I guess in another scene that, of course we didn't
see she had invited Steve to Thanksgiving and he declined,

(36:54):
and she reinvites him in this scene and he declines again,
and he starts to ask her what me is like,
and Miranda describes Mia as we know baby mama Mia.
Miranda describes her as a vengeful idiot, which is such
a Miranda insult, like I love it. Brady is not
speaking to her, baby's having babies. Steve addresses that he's

(37:18):
going he plans on calling Brady to apologize for the
blow up. That we saw the other week at dinner
and they both decide that they're going to figure this
out together. Now, this scene upset me, and it upset
me for the character of Miranda. Okay, because Miranda, although

(37:39):
getting a happy ending, a seemingly happy ending, not to
jump ahead, she can't seem to catch a break and
that irritates me because she's so deserving of a break, Like,
I just don't like that this character just keeps like
life keeps whooping her ass and coming at her at
every angle for the past three years. Yeah, from what

(38:00):
we've seen, well.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
And I think later she does kind of put it
that way, and I don't think I.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Realized that, Yeah, because she's like she's.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Been going through it out of everybody.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
And she's like baby's having babies. And because she already
know Brady, he's twenty years old, she knows her son,
so now she's about to be And remember she she
has to sit with when Steve was like, our grandchild
is gonna know us, and she's like, damn even hearing
that our grandchild, Like she's not ready to be No,
damn grandmother.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
No. But I am glad that they are able to
co grandparent like they're on a They're in a place
where they can sit down and have this conversation and
just you know, prepare together. They can kind of lean
on each other because.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, seasons ago, that wouldn't have been the case, especially
last year last season. And then in typical dad son relationships,
he has the audacity to ask Miranda, is me a
pretty And she's like, what the fuck does that matter?

Speaker 2 (38:53):
It's too late.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Now, it's too We still don't know if Brady is
the baby daddy. That's my argument. I want a paternity test.
Spoiler spoiler alert, we never will. So in our next scene,
we are in the bathroom with Sema and Adam. Seema's
getting ready, yes, and his butt, he's in the nude
and just he's just such a jungle boy. And Seema's

(39:18):
getting ready for work. Adam walks in in the full
nude and he begins to pee. They're real comfortable around.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Each other, like, oh, they've just okay, They real.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Comfortable around each other. And so but she she tells
him that business is picking up for her, which I
was like, yes, that's my girl. Business is picking up
at the Patel Group and she's going into the office
today because she's taking tomorrow off to attend a bridal
fashion show. And that's when Adam mentions, how that sounds
like a complete and utter waste of time. Now I

(39:49):
have in my notes to you an earnest question. Are
you surprised that Adam is anti marriage? Because I'm not.
This did not shock me.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
No, I wasn't surprised. I was actually kind of relieved
that this conversation is happening, especially kind so early. My
girl to have gone down this road and romantic science
this whole thing, only to find out when she's actually
ready to do it.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, you know, if she's ever ready to do.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
It, and we'll say, you know, go through that. But
like I just I'm I was actually really happy.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Like I said, I question.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
But when I watched this, I said, I would have
been more surprised if Adam would have been a staunch
traditionalist like he's because he's, just, like I said, a
little jungle boy, everything's free and hippie, dippy flower child.
And if they would have flipped the script and he
would have been like a I believe in in the
sanctity of marriage, I would have been like that threw

(40:53):
me for a loop, but him not him blowing off
the idea of marriage.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I was like, why you commit to the odor, let
alone a woman, like.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Come on now? And so he calls weddings of ridiculus
and marriage a ridiculous idea, and we see Seema leaves
that bathroom. She clearly has written all over her face
she does not know how to feel. In our next scene,
we get Charlotte LTW, Carrie and Sema. They're walking to
the fashion show. And I have to say that I
have been waiting on this scene ever since the season

(41:23):
trailer dropped, when when they were like this season on
on and just like that, because it's such a beautiful scene.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Like I have to say in my notes, when I
saw them all walking in the row, it dawned on
me we needed more of everybody together throughout this whole season.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yeah, because everybody has their and and and in fairness,
everybody has like their person and it even unfolds at
the fashion show, so it's like they come together for
But I agree when you brought up.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Doing this sex and the City, no group of women
blah blah blah blah. We need if we're gonna introduced
all these players, we need we need the whole friend
group to come together more than just once every six episodes.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
And I didn't realize until you really emphasized for Charlotte's
birthday party like loving episodes that has everybody in the
same scene that I was like, yeah, we like, in hindsight,
we could have used a few more of or even
with Carrie with this season finale last season when she
had the dinner in her old apartment and had everybody

(42:26):
around the table, like, we could have used more of
that popping up.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Well, Carrie's filling them in on her recent restaurant nightmare,
and she says, not only is it tragic for women
to be alone in the past, it is also an
issue in the future, which you know that that bleeds into,
of course, the critique from her editor about her book,
The show is gorgeous, This fashion show is gorgeous. And
during the fashion show, Seema fills Carrie in on what

(42:56):
happened with Adam. She says he thinks this is all
all a joke, and I love that Carrie and class
Carrie's a friend. She asked Sema, well what do you
think and and Semah says, I think I'm in love
with a man who will never get married. But then
Carrie launched into a conversation. Well, the two of them

(43:16):
launch into a conversation that is not going anywhere anytime soon.
I see it unfold. I've seen it unfold on Twitter.
I've seen it unfold on Facebook. I've seen it literally
every social media platform and in my own social circle,
especially amongst my girlfriends from college, because most of them
are married, but these type of but not all of
them are married, right, So these conversations, you know, come up,

(43:39):
and so where am I? Seema interrogates basically if marriage
is something that she truly wants for herself or if
she wants it because that's what society says she should want.
And that's the conversation I'm linking this to.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Like, yeah, it was. It was. It was interesting because
I can speak for me. It's kind of the opposite
way because like being gay, like I was never conditioned
to think about marriage like marriage has a really option.
I never a group wanting to do it. It was
never anything that I even given like any thought about really,
and then one day I was like, huh, do I

(44:18):
want to actually get married? The answer is yes, But
I got to kind of examine it from I guess,
the freedom of having the choice I could either not
or I can. So she was explaining how she was
groomed since a child, and you know, little girls dream
about it and blah blah blah blahlah blah blah. I
was like, huh, I wonder what that's like, because I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
I also, I also think people should look at marriage
for what it is, which is a legally binding contract.
It's not all about the romance, like that's nice and
nice addition, but it is a legally binding contract that
you're tying yourself to someone, and that it's one of
the biggest decisions. Of course it that that you'll ever

(45:01):
make should you choose to do that. And yeah, I
thought that it was a fair question. With me, I
never really thought about, I guess because I haven't seen
very many examples of a successful marriage, and there's always,
as a capricorn with my constant data collection, there just
always seems to be another shoe that drops, even if

(45:23):
people aren't transparent. With me, it's always something that I'm like, girl,
there's no way I could put up with that, Like
that works for you? Like I always something.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I'm with my cat moon and being in areas I
agree with you, But at least if I'm legally bound
when that other shoe drops, I have some recourse to
where I can fuck some shit up. If you fuck
some shit up for me, yeah, I have legal means
to get it back.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah. And I'm not saying that marriage is I'm not
saying that marriage isn't beautiful or that people don't authentically
enjoy their partnerships, just more often than not, it's smoking mirrors.
I just have to say, in my experience, it's a
lot of smoking mirrors and a lot of compromise that

(46:12):
not always.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
The healthy relationships are compromised.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yes, the marriage is a different type of compromise, especially
with children. I've seen so many women talk about in
particular how their husbands, I mean, the dynamic changes once
kids are in the picture, because you don't know, like
you know what type of partner they are, You don't
know what type of parent they'll be until the baby
gets he there, and then you have to deal with that.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Kids in general, to me, are more of a serious
commitment than marriage. Like I would marry ten people before
I would have a kid with one, you know, I
doesn't concern me, doesn't scare me, like a child with somebody.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yeah, it's wow. In the name of celebrity news Kelly Clarkson,
Boy does she dodge a bullet? No pun intend I'm
not rejoicing in her situation, but it's weird how that unfolded.
And then I read that he was running around with
her former secretary.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Former assistance.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I mean, yeah, that's what I'm assistant, Like.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
What is thing she is for keeping all of that
just to herself the entire time. She was like, you know,
what he's doing is fucked up. So we're gonna let
We're gonna let that stand on its own.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
I pray that I never experienced a betrayal like that
at bar. Stay away from me, And for those of
you who don't know, google, google what's going on with
Kelly Clark then link it together. But nevertheless, like I said,
they so, Sema and carry are having this very nuanced
conversation where they're litigating, well, Seema's really interrogating, Carrie's like flipping.
Carrie's not really offering her opinion. She's asking Sema like

(47:47):
she's she's getting Sema to massage her brain so she
can flesh out her own answers, and like I said,
that's a question everyone should ask themselves with a lot
of things. Is this something that I truly want for
myself or is this something that I want because the
anxiety tells me I should, This is something I should desire,
And I love that, Seema asked, and to Kelly's point,

(48:07):
speak pipe Kelly earlier. Now we hear about Big at
the series finale. We hadn't heard BIG's name at all
the month of Sundays nothing, and now we get a
reference where Carrie was very vulnerable in this moment, and
I think that she speaks for a lot of people,
not just women people. Seema asked Carrie why she wanted

(48:28):
marriage and Carrie said, for her, it meant that she
was chosen. Very vulnerable moment, very real, very real. And
we know what I loved about that in that writing.
In particular, we know this to be true because we
followed Carrie for the last few decades, and yes, baby
girl wanted to be chosen. She spent a lot of

(48:51):
time auditioning.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
A girl.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
I was gonna say, that's my girl, that's my girl.
Embarrassment and all and so and so, Seema says that
she feels Adam but you know, things are good, But
do I feel chosen by him? Is that even his
responsibility or is it a flaw in me? Now, Denver,

(49:17):
because you are the because you are the partner person
on the podcast, can you peel that? Can you peel
the layers off for me? Like in your opinion, do
you feel that that feeling is your partner's responsibility or
your own? Like I feel like you have to choose yourself.
But you you speak.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
To this, No, no, no, you do you definitely do.
You know it's it's weird. It's weird because you know,
with what we do. You know, we do a lot
of couple of stuff with the Internet and Instagram, and
a lot of the comments we get are people like
yearning for or wanting, you know, some whatever feeling that evokes,

(49:55):
like people want companionship, they want to be loved, and
we like, I get that all the time. Yeah, and
it always makes me feel I want to say, like sad,
But it reminds me that a lot of people do
want to feel too curious what they they're the yearning
for that that chosen, isn't it They feel like it's

(50:16):
gonna come from somewhere else, and I think it makes
me feel weird because in my mind, I'm like, why,
it's choosing yourself really not an option, you know what
I mean, Like it should start there, like the love,
the companionship, that's all a great bonus, like, but that
it should be viewed as like a bonus, like nobody
should choose you. You should always choose yourself. And I

(50:39):
don't know how I got here, Like I wish I
could be like this happened to me or I learned
one day, or it just that's just not the truth.
But I do think that that's how it should be.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yeah, thank you for that. I mean, I agree. It's
very dangerous to put your self worth in your self value,
you in the hands of another person because life happens,
and if they leave or something goes left, or you're betrayed,
like Kelly Clarkson, it's gone toy with you, like you
have to that relationship with yourself will dictate every single relationship.

(51:18):
What might be arrogant, just.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
The ability to just choose myself always. I think it
just it just stems from just.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
You know, I think that's it stems from your life.
It's a culmination of life experiences. It's so different for everyone.
It's so different for everyone, Like for you, it appears
that it comes with ease, and for others it might
be a bit of a struggle. Like we're all dealing
with different things and have different backgrounds and different parents
and different experiences where you're bullied, where you're not bullied.

(51:46):
But like it's it's so layered. But ultimately, I do
believe that the relationship that you have with yourself will
dictate every single relationship that you even friendship. I'm not
talking about just romantic relationship. It will dictate everything around you.
And so that's why it is important in an incumbent
on each and every last one of us, you better.

(52:09):
You got to put you first solution.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
And that's why when we needed more of Seema's backstort,
more of her childhood, we needed more. We need more
and more moments where she could kind of let us
into how she was raised and how she grew up,
because I think that that would kind of explain answer
that question for her.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I also want her to go talk to the lady,
like it's nice to have these conversations with your friends,
but Seema, you got the resources go get you.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
How is she going to adam to her parents, the
same parents she lied to about having a doctor. How
was that conversation going to happen? I would love to
I would like I would love to see that too.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
We'll never know, We'll never know. So then we swing
over to my earlier point about how everybody got their person,
like oftentimes that's how friend groups work. You you we
all love each other and get along, but you have
your person, you know, and that can alternate, that can alternate.
But we swing over to Charlotte and LTW and they're
reflecting on their own marriages and LTW says marriage is

(53:03):
about confusion, not knowing how to help, and holding your tongue,
and Charlotte says in cancer, don't forget about the cancer.
Charlotte mentions how Harry is devastated over the status of
the current status of their love life, and LTW asks
her how she feels about it, and Charlotte says, it's
not really about me right now, No, that's right, And
LTW says, is it ever really about us? And this

(53:25):
the shit I'm talking about with Herbert, this is what
I'm talking about. I'm staying on Herbert's neck. This is
what I'm talking about. Is it ever about us? Well,
we'll see by the end. We'll see by the end
if I have a change of heart. But LTW says,
is it ever about us? It's about their feelings, their disappointments,

(53:45):
What to say, what not to say. LTW shares her
frustration with Herbert moping around the house, and she asked Charlotte,
if you knew what you know now, would you still
get married. Charlotte says, oh, absolutely, And LTW says, me too.
And to me, that just highlights the complexities of relationships
are very, very complex.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
And you know, unless you're in it, and I know
that sounds super cliche, but when people tell you, like,
unless you're in it, you have no idea what you
would and wouldn't do, what you will won't put up with,
and what you know makes it break, Like, unless you
are in it, you truly have no idea.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yeah. Yeah, And relationships, just like friendships, sometimes have dry seasons,
dry spells, hiccups, but it's a commitment from all parties
involved to just hang in there. You know.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
I think it's normal, Yeah, especially in friendships. I think
it's normal. But something I was going to ask you,
is I have never been to a fashion show before. Really,
is it common for people to talk this much during
the show, because in my mind, everybody's sitting there just
like dead as well.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
People talk, But when you send front row like that, No, that's.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Not common to heart, like right.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
I should mention that, like people talk, but they are
having But it was a beautiful backdrop. But this was
a night fashion show.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yeah, quietly, it's all your business models. They know about
your cancer.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Hey, don't forget about the cancer child. So our next
scene we get Charlotte and Cary. They're doing a walk
and talk and Carrie mentions that she might be alone
for the rest of her life, and Charlotte immediately objects,
of course, but Carrie entertains, probably for the first time,
or at least it alludes to it, in this scene,
she entertains who she would be alone. She mentions that, yes,

(55:36):
she has lived alone, but never without the thought that
she wouldn't be alone for long. Even after the shock
and devastation of Bigg's death, she was still open, like
she said, even in that she's like maybe Aiden, maybe
maybe it's Duncan. And that's when we get what we
projected onto her with sister kind of like, damn, Duncan
is really not coming back, Like that's a thought that

(55:58):
crossed her mind, right, And then Carrie says, I have
to quit thinking maybe a man and start accepting maybe
just me. And it's not a tragedy. It's a fact,
and I can and I have to start accepting it
full stop. Now. Do I think Carrie is being a
bit dramatic here and not believable, Yes, because our girl

(56:20):
is a lover girl and a libra. But I also
think that it's a thought worth entertaining. I know people
always get upset when I say this, but my understanding,
especially post pandemic, is get I had to get comfortable
with the fact that none of us are guaranteed romantic
love in this life. People hate when I say that,

(56:42):
but it is true. Yeah, And I think it's healthy
to get comfortable with Like it's uncomfortable, but I think
it's healthy to entertain that romantic love is a blessing.
It is not a guarantee. It is not a promise.
And I'm glad that a lot of people are having conversations.
Even when when you do experience these chapters with the

(57:03):
great love of your life. It might not be permanent.
It's not it might not be life long, you know
what I'm saying. Like, and so I'm glad that a
lot of these conversations are being elevated and a lot
of people are uh exploring this topic instead of clinging
onto a farce of like because it's still a status symbol.
It still can be like a nanan a boo boo.
I was chosen you weren't. But I think that that's healthy,

(57:27):
healthy to sit with.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
And something I will say is this is the first,
I think scene in conversation that felt remotely close to
a finale episode.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Mmm mmm, this.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Whole introspective situation. I was like, okay, and so now
we're getting to some type of finale, not just series,
but like the season finale. Look at this. This part
was written as a button up some internal uh huh.
That's how I felt.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
I love, but it's this also could have operated as
a damn season well. Like I said, I text Denver
full stop. I text Denver and I was like, I
feel like they might have went into editing bay and
been scrambling, you know, like clicking and picking and slicing
and yeah, with with you know, like the finale song
and stuff like moving stuff around and clipping cause they
they film more scenes than they include, like they filmed

(58:20):
they have b storylines and just in case this happens
or we want to pick.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Up this could have been a pick up to type
some shit together. There was another sequence in this episode
I think was a pickup, but I'll bention it when
we get to it.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Well, Charlotte chimes in immediately and affirms Carrie's fabulousness, and
Carrie's like, oh girl, that was never that was never
in question. And that reminds me of like when people
have these conversations if they're marginalized or might be plus
sized or whatever, and people like, you're still so beautiful.
I never said I was ugly, now, Like that's that's
what it reminded me of. But I get Charlotte's coming

(58:55):
from a good place. These Remember these are well to do,
well meaning white women. I'm using air quotes to link
back to my woke grant at the top of the episode.
So then we get a quick scene a next scene
which is Herbert in a sweatsuit in the bed. At
least he's showering, right, at least like he's down back.
But at least LTW is coming home to a man

(59:16):
that showered and he looked fresh, lounging around in the sweatsuit.
Because sometimes people, sometimes you people, they wallow in salt.
And yeah, clearly LTW had been reflecting on her marriage
and her vows, because she walks in that room and
like reaffirms her vows, like.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Recom okay, Karen, like what are we doing.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
I'll get over this. We'll get over this. I know
that's right, girl, reaffirm your partnership.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
I'm not mad.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Okay. Now it's Thanksgiving Day, Denver. It's the morning of
Thanksgiving and Adam and Carrie are in the garden having
a cup of coffee. Adam's still working on finalizing this
garden and he's like, yeah, but you gotta work on Thanksgiving.
He's like, oh no, it's just Thursday, nothing special. And
Carrie says, I forgot Seema said you don't believe in

(01:00:08):
that tradition or a lot of traditions, and he instantly
knows what she's referring to, which is the marriage. And
then Carrie then asked Adam if Seema is just a Thursday,
because Adam's like, do you have any questions for me?
And Carrie's like, yeah, just one. Is Sema just a Thursday?
She looking out for her girl. Adam says, She's definitely
not a just a Thursday. She's special. She's a lifetime.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Ah ah, I'll go tell her that. Go make sure
she knows that. So she's not spiraling.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Yes, yeah. I also was laughing because Carrie now wants
to make the garden wild and free, just like her,
Like this man is finishing up, Like what are we doing?
And wild? All I know is wild and free? Sounds
like the rat Highway all over again. Like it seems
like she manicured and structure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
What does that even look like in terms of a garden,
It's garden, not weeds.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
It reminds me of my Naomi Campbell reference Rock and Roll.
I have a friend that's a celebrity hairdresser, and years ago,
about a decade ago, she said that she was doing
Naomi Campbell's hair, freaking out because it's like I'm working
with Naomy Campbell and Naomi kept saying, make it rock
and roll, and so my friend was like, you know,
but noo, it was like Naomi mint straight. And so
my friend kept like, you know, grabbing her hair. It

(01:01:20):
was like make it rock and roll it. You'd have
to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Did your friend survive? She did, injury.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Free, injury free. She had a good time. And so
then we get our next scene the Golden Blacks. It's
things like I mentioned, it's Thanksgiving and Charlotte is basing
a turkey when Harry announces that he got an erection
for the first time in months. Remember he hadn't had
an erection since pre the surgery, and then they go
give thanks fair enough. That's is Oh my god, I

(01:01:54):
just realized, Oh no, that's well. That okay. I was
about to say, is that the last time we see Lily,
but no, she pops up at the end when we're
you know, recapping, And so our next scene we get
Carrie hailing a cab because now she's become the pie
delivery lady.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
And so this is a sequence that just talk about it.
I this felt like the most we can't get everybody together,
so we're gonna just do this weird taxi delivery. It
just felt misplaced. I didn't like it. It pissed me off.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
It felt like a time filler.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
It felt like I felt like a pickup almost like
they went back and was like, yeah, basically.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Tricia Field on the phone, girl, we need the costumes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Like originally maybe she delivered these in some other way,
and they're like, well, since it's finale, we gotta we
gotta do all these separate scenes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Like it was weird and it felt it felt like
a time filler. But if they had taken it out
of the episode, we might have got a twenty minute
of a twenty minute series finale.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Well, like I said, I will say the pie containers
that Carrie was holding some of my favorite things I've seen,
big clear.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Yeah, until she was making the deliveries. As you noticed
that all of them were uncovered when she was delivering them.
None of them were covered when she was like, here's
your your strawberry rubarb.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
Thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Uh oh, Carrie was knocking on them people door and
had an uncovered pie. All right. She carried it like
that to the car. But I'm just saying when she
knocked on the door and delivered it to them, there
was no sign of a container or a case, and
it was a naked pie.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Well, she probably wasn't going to give him a good container.

Speaker 5 (01:03:34):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
That's right. I mean, maybe that's the grouchy lady. What's
her name, Shawnee? What's that spicy white lady's name? Mad
At Bakery lady? It was some ethnic but anyway, Uh.
What I loved about this is when Carrie rolls up
on Sema. She is a different scene when she's okay,

(01:03:55):
very relaxed. Even Carrie's like, okay, jeans, okay, we're not
overdoing it with the animal print and jewelry today. Well
I shouldn't say overdoing it because I seem a style,
but she she's noticeably toned down, which sometimes happens when
you partner up with somebody. Sometimes, you know, tweaks cann't happen.
I don't know how deep you are into it. I

(01:04:18):
remember one time I got clocked so bad because I mean,
you know, my aesthetic is always the same, but one
of my friends clocked something that I was doing. I
was like, damn, I thought I was being subtle. Where
are we at? And then Carrie arrives at Miranda's and
Miranda reveals that Joy is not coming anymore because her
dog suddenly got sick. What I love about this scene

(01:04:41):
is Carrie really challenged Miranda because Miranda's not buying this,
She's using air quotes, and she thinks Joy wants nothing
to do with her. After Brady haphazardly looped Joy into
the argument that he and Miranda was having, which is believable.
But what I love about the SA me too. But
what I love about this scene is something that I

(01:05:03):
even have to learn in my adult life is just
to get clarity, get clear, like, don't be playing but
instead of like, if you're investing in something, instead of
like running with you creating and running with your own narrative,
you should see clarity if you're really invested in a person,
a friendship of relationship. Yeah, and Miranda twelve of that.
But I also understand sometimes that inner child wakes up,

(01:05:25):
that inner panic wakes up, and like I said, our
sister might not be thinking straight because she begins to
ask what Miranda hadn't caught a break in like a decade,
like she might not have her head on straight clearly.
And so Miranda ends up taking Carrie's advice and she
calls up Joy and we learned that it is real
Sappho has to go into surgery because he swallowed something sharp. Oh.

(01:05:50):
Miranda then throws on her coat to Joy to go
join Joy at the SIK, leaving Carrie and Brady behind.
Then there's a knock at the door and it's the
three stooges as I call them, as I refer to
them because they are obnoxious and insufferable and unfunny. It's
Baby Mama Mia, her butch queen friend Sylvia, and Epcot,

(01:06:14):
who Carrie used he him pronounced for and I thought
Epcot was a woman.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Yeah, I definitely had the art when I heard it,
But then I was like, maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I
need to stop having that reaction because that just proved
that I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Just that's what Kelly was talking about when she called in.
That's what you know. Kelly says, she a therapist. That's
what she was. That's the shit she was talking about.
And I should mention that presentation varies. I'm not trying
to miss gender anyone, of course, but I think that
we all are programmed in that very colonial way, right.
We go based off of what is perceived, what we

(01:06:49):
see and what is perceived and so but yeah, we
get Epcot, Sylvia and Baby Mama Mia. They're at the door,
and where are we at?

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Yeah, because you know Epcot, we know their parents are
Disney free, Disney people. She said Disney freaks. That he
said Disney freaks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
They are Disney freaks. So I have a lot of
Disney people as friends.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Therefore I cannot say freaks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Yes, although I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
However, yeah, I squint, I squint. And so these three
come in and they are hungry. Carrie offers them a
cheese plate. Silvio says nothing. Epcot is lactose intolerant, and
Mia only eats cucumber, brown rice and seaweed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
This whole thing is so stupid. This whole thing is stupid.
This goes back to the whole they hate gen z
and thing I was talking about earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
That's what That's what I'm getting from it because it
gave me that deconstructed remember that very viral deconstructed like
sushi bowl where you would like cook the salmon or
cube it or cook the tuna, and then they used
the QP Japanese mayo and some rice and cucumber and
green honey. It's good, I made it, you know, but
it's not something I'm living on. And that was like
years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Like the character archetypes, like they just feel almost like disrespectful.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
They're painfully stereotypical, like they just they're painfully stereotypical. And
why each one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
It reminds me of Season one when she got supervoke.
I mean, this is that this, this is the ship
they were talking about. This is pointless, it's rude, it's
we don't need it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
And we should mention to your point. That's why the
writing has to be responsible, nuanced, varied. That's why you
need to call in some some some consultants when you're
writing about a community that you might not be a
part of, Because whether people want to admit it or not,
our media shapes the ways in which we view and
interact with people in the real world. It teaches us

(01:08:41):
how to if you're not around someone like Silvio, who's
a little Latin boy running around here almost made a
two long food reference, but run around here, click clacking
and voguing. This might how Carrie and Miranda and company
respond to him. Might subconsciously, it's pro it's all that's
what they call it programming, not to get all tenfoil hat.

(01:09:03):
But we learn a lot through our entertainment.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Right and to assume that people like this have these preferences,
or they have these comments, or they say these things,
or they are this rude? Are they It's just.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Yeah, they're also that's my one critique. They're also fucking rude.
No home training. But anyway, so then there's another knock
at the door, and this time it's Mark Kasabian aka
mister Andrews. We learned that Charlotte invited him over but
forgot to update him that she won't be there, which
I found kind of dumb, Like, Okay, Harry got hard

(01:09:39):
y'all having sex, y'all could have still gone to Miranda's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Well wanted well, Harry wanted his things giving get home.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Remember I remember he gave her that speech in the bed.
But we I noticed off Rip that mister Andrews is
unusually flirty, like he's more flirty, like I don't think
I'm ready. Yeah, he was unusually flirty and carry off
Rip is clearly not interested. Brady then grabs his coat
and he runs to go grab some seaweed. This is

(01:10:05):
on Thanksgiving Day. He run around Chinatown looking for seaweed,
and he tells Carrie to keep an eye on the
turkey and don't let it burn. Laughed, at this scene
because Babe, you know your aunt Carrie. This is the
same woman that kept sweaters in her oven. You know
your aunt Carrie. You know she's not domestic in this manner, honey,
you know that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
So, like, more specific instructions would have saved everything.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
True, true, True. He could have a chef.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
You should know to drop the temp if you're going
to be gone and true.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Or he could have within that commute because I'm assuming
he doesn't have a car because it's New York City.
He's either he's taking public transit or an uber or something.
He could have text her detailed instructions. But it's TV,
it's TV, so and so. Yeah, I was laughing at
Carrie's face. Then our next scene, we get Miranda entering

(01:10:57):
the animal hospital. Now I have in my notes I
thought that this was going to be the same place
Chay used to work. Didn't She used to work as
some type of clinic or animal hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
It was an adoption place.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
It's adoption okay, yeah, yeah yeah, But I was like, Lord,
have mercy. But she arrives to comfort Joy and this
kind of made my heart little wool.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
What could you imagine if we got a Shadys finale
cameo if that was like the finalite.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
They should have they should have and we should have
got lt w's dad at Thanksgiving. We should have seen
him at the table. They should have just blown the
little the dead, the one that died this season. They
should have just blown the little off. But this scene
kind of made me woo woo wool, cause sure enough
it was something about Joy being in that damn waiting

(01:11:44):
room all alone on Thanksgiving. But does Thanksgiving even hold
any significance to her, because don't they do stuff different
likes Giving has no significance in in the UK.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
In the UK, why say the BBC that was what
it is?

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Oh sorry, remember cut cut countryside or whatever she said
when Miranda was reporting another brand that was so random
Miranda's viral moment being meaned that was so random. But anyway,
so yeah, we learned, but I was so relieved that
they didn't drag this out right. We learned that Sapo

(01:12:18):
ate a Lego piece at the park and Joy is distraught,
and just in the midst of her distress, the surgeon
comes out and says surgery is over, and Sapho's okay.
I was like, oh, Thank you God, because if this
was going to about to dominate the finale episode, I
was going to be pissed. And I love and Socrates.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
With five minutes left, I love Sapho.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
And Socrates, I truly do so. Now we're back in
the kitchen and carry and Mark. This is an awkward conversation.
He's talking about his house in the Hamptons and like
she's like, should I check the turkey out? Like she's
clearly not interested. But then there's a knock at the door.
Again this speaks to your theory. It's shit, like what

(01:13:05):
are we doing? It's just long drawn out and just
feels like filling. Where's the meat and potatoes in the
name of Thanksgiving? Where's the meat and potatoes of the episode?
And we just get another knock at the door. The
knocks on the As I'm reading this out loud, it's
giving stage play, Like I took the notes and I'm
like reading this out loud, and it's like it's giving

(01:13:25):
very stage play. But we get a knock at the door,
and this time it's Charlotte and she's delivering her stuffing
and that's when Charlotte learns that you know, Mark Kaseadian
is there and Carrie's like, girl, I need to talk
to you in the back room. And that's when Charlotte
reveals that she invited Mark Kaseadian because they really hit
it off, and Carrie's like, girl, we exchanged niceties, like

(01:13:47):
we didn't hit it off. But Charlotte got she got sad.
When Carrie was like, listen, bitch, I'm making peace with
being alone right now and possibly forever. Charlotte got sad
and took matters into her own hands. And Charlott's really
trying to argue her case and say he's a stand
up guy and carries like girl, he's been married three times.
Charlotte goes, yes, I know, but he has a plane.

(01:14:08):
I said, I noticed, you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
That's right, Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
I mean, if you're going to be content to be alone,
then you can be alone with somebody with the plane.
With the plane, you can be alone within the relationship.
And I have a plane.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Yeah yeah, And I mean, listen, we're we're about to
enter the third act of our lives, so why not
what do you have to lose? I thought that that
was hilarious though, because Charlotte is not playing. She like, girl,
I'm gonna set you up good. So then our next scene,
Lord have mercy. Sylvia is duck walking in the living
room and the beats are blasting. Why everyone is why

(01:14:48):
everyone's awkwardly just sitting and waiting, while Mia is screaming
out yes girl. Mark Casseavian is downing that that bottle
of cap that he brought, like the beats are allowed
and this yeah, this, this little boy is like I said,
he duck walking all up and down this lady's apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Okay, I'm like a goose. I'm like a goosewalk like
it was just it was offensive.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Well, then Miranda comes home. Miranda comes home and the
three stooges are carrying on her time like they are
being rude. Sylvia is still voguing. This is Miranda's home,
She's home now. Sylvia is still voging. Epcot needs the
restroom because that French cheese is running through him like
the tomb raider running through that digestive system. And Brady

(01:15:36):
reveals that the turkey is raw, so it's seaweed for dinner.
I should also mention that in this scene we see
mea eating cheese and Brady's like, Burr, I thought all
you ate was seaweed, brown rice and cucumber, And She's like,
just deal with it, Like, Mia, is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
This is a lot when I don't even know if
this is my baby? Still it's a lot. It's a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Let us not forget like it's a lot. You're you're
you're serving it up pretty fierce and I don't even
know if that's my baby. Then we get this. I
thought it was an awkward jump scene where it just
faded and now dinner's over and everyone's gone and it
looks like they ate. So I was like, was the turkey?

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
And that's the other thing, Like how do we we
spend two entire episodes talking about this dinner to not
actually have the dinner.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
I didn't even think about that. We did not have
the dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Dinner, I don't know who? Wait what pie?

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
And the dinner was an opportunity to turn that into
like a bringing down, like they could have really reached
in their comedic bag in the name of like a
cheaper by the dozen bringing down the house along Cane.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
How do we care who is there if we're not
going to actually.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Right and you expect me actually I'm glad they didn't
do a dinner scene. I'm not sending through a dinner
with the three stooges, mister Kaseavian, the three Stooges, Brady, Miranda,
and Carrie hard Pass.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
I mean, at least it would have made sense, like you,
you made us suffer through it for for what?

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Yeah, I agree, I agree. But now dinner is over
and Karrie and Miranda are debriefing. Carrie jokes that she
feels so guilty about how disastrous this day has been
because it really has been a jet to holiday. This
Thanksgiving was a jet and it's only gonna get worse.
It's only gonna get worse because mister Kasavian is in

(01:17:38):
the restroom, and Carrie's like, I feel obligated that man
is gonna come out this restroom and ask to take
me home, and I feel obligated to let him because
of how crazy today has been. I have in all caps.
I should mention I saw the episode before Denver did.
He's traveling and adjusting and running around with his man,
and I said, do not eat while watching this episode

(01:17:58):
because I thought this was unnecessy. Yeah, this was just gross.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
It was nasty. It was gross, it was nasty.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
It was gross. I have in all caps this was
the grossest scene. And it's a nightmare, right Like, could
you imagine going in someone's restroom just to pee and
as you flush? My god? Today?

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Do you want better? Could you imagine writing a series
finale for a legacy show and including a seal in
which fifteen turns flood of toilet and thinking that's acceptable
as a way to send off your show.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
That's how you know a man is in the writer's room.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
No, I mean, good ass, No, I'm going to take
the entire sexcenity legacy this show and have the nerve
to spend two out of thirty four minutes of a
finale with turds on the floor.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
With most shots, we didn't need all them shots. This
now replaces the critique that I guess people had over
sex and the city too when they went to Abu Dhabi.
Arwin had those complaints that that is a shining beacon
of hope in comparison to this series finale. This show
deserved better for for a series finale, it deserves I

(01:19:22):
do say something myself, I like Carrie, it's not there,
It's not our ship. It's their ship, it's not me
and you And so what a like I said, what
a gross, gross, gross scene? And like I said, it's
a nightmare. That does a nightmare come true to to
be urinating and you flush and that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
I've never seen that happen before in real life, like
I've I've seen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
You don't know New York plumbing fair, We don't know
the way to pipe run. And so Mark of course
leaves because I what are you sticking around for? Like
I would, I would have left. And I love how
he made sure to let Miranda know the toilet is flooding,
overflowing and it's not my doing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
But also that's not me as a man. Would you
really run out of there and not at least attempt
to fix the problem?

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Please?

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Every man that I can think of. And I don't
know what that says about gay, straight or otherwise? Would
be gone?

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
That's crazy. Oh well, okay, so this is happening. What
do I do? I'm so sorry? How do I fix this?
Let me help?

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Also the fact that it didn't stop right I could see.
I've seen toilets kind of like you know, when a
toilet gets stopped up, you gotta flush it multiple times
for it to overflow, because it'll fill up to the
brim and then you know, slowly go down. But it
was like a geyser, and the fact that it was
not stopping was was Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
My god, water coming again, New York piping.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
I guess all that was missing was I guess a
swimming rat. I'm not a mirandaus toyt yuck, I know,
And I said, I feel for Miranda. I mean literally,
she's getting her ass kicked. She's getting her ass kicked,
and so where are we? So Miranda's cleaning this up.

(01:21:11):
And that's when she launches into asked like she's questioned.
She said, what happened to my life? Six months ago?
I was free and easy, a new job, falling in love.
I didn't have a care in the world. Now look
at me. And that's when it really hit me, when
I was like, damn girl, yeah, you can't catch a break.

(01:21:32):
She had it easier when she was even boring salads
in her office.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
I thought, you going somewhere else with that society.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Yes, Denver, San, I'm so sorry, behave.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
I'm so sorry. It is late in Atlanta and can't
get it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
And so.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Then there's a knock at the door. How many times
have I said this episode, there's a knock at the door,
and this time it's Joy coming to spend the holiday
with Miranda, and Miranda immediately starts crying. Now I have
in my notes in all caps, why does she hug Joy.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
With the gloves on?

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
They don't she do that? Like, don't piss me don't
piss me off, don't do not piss me off. I
would have broken up with her right then and there
off that because of that relationship over who's so rude?

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
I mean, I was worked out. I was like, oh,
that's really sweet. And when she said all that stopped
gloves around her.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Back, yeah, touching her hair. And the thing is, Joy
don't even know the severity of the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
She has no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Let's round this, let's finish this damn episode up, because
talking about it out loud is actually is doing something
to me. Uh So, then we get Carrie returning home
to the Grammarcy house, and I noticed that she went
to take off her shoes at the door and stopped
and chose not to because she doesn't have to anymore.

(01:23:05):
I said, is that symbolic of course. Of course Carrie
cranks up that music max volume. Ain't nothing like a
solo dance party at maximum volume. Oh my gosh, you
want to shake out some stress, babe, And it's the
song You're the First, the last, My everything go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
I will say I didn't expect that karaoke machine to
get such like proper.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
It's a character at this point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
a character at this point. But in fairness, our sister
needs a good system with sub wolfers to be in
the grammar sy house. She can't operate off on a
little Bluetooth speaker, no so. And I used to have
a karaoke machine, Oh my god. College years, we used
to have so much fun karaoke and Casadilla's an apartment,

(01:23:50):
room number twenty three point thirty two, and we used
to have a time doll.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
I did in my apartment a Strobe light, a full
stroke black. That was my contribution to everything.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
I've never said this publicly, and we're gonna leave this
here and reserve your judgment. I had one of those
Neon electronic open signs, So now we get because after

(01:24:25):
a party like it was a running joke, but it
would be on and in the window. That was a
different lifetime, a different girl, a different lifetime. I should
mention this was in the era of four loco, okay,
were a lot of us were making questionable decisions and
doing some wild stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Yeah, that stuff some permanent damage I think from that era.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
But I've always been a one what is it, a one,
one man woman. I don't want nobody getting no crazy ideas.
Now I'm fairly conservative Charlotte, Okay when it comes to
certain things, indeed, But so yeah, we can tell that
it's winding down, Carrie's having this dance party, and I
didn't get the the I didn't get the point of Okay,

(01:25:14):
clearly it's post Thanksgiving and leftovers and stuff, but everybody's
getting their piece of the pie. I'm like, is this
what we're supposed to get from this? Because everybody's getting there,
like they are zooming in on the whole, Like leftover.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Pie is the connector for all of these random scenes
that they stuck together and called it a finot.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Correct And we see our final glimpse of Anthony and Giseeppe,
who I noticed hadn't been in the episode the entire
time except for when Carrie was dropping off the pies,
there was nothing there. And I felt like this scene
was unnecessary personally because if I were Giuseppe, I probably
would have broken up with Anthony. Well, my thing is,

(01:25:50):
is that too dramatic? No, Like, you accept my proposal
and then you say that you think I'm proposing to
you to trap you into being like my my butler,
my mom, Like that's insulting.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
I mean yeah, but I mean it was a conversation,
and I don't think that they had the conversation. I
gave it any type of justice. No, and especially factoring
and all of the stuff with his mom, Like, you know,
he really could have got into whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Yeah, And I felt that it was a betrayal to
the character. I don't imagine Anthony getting a pie smashed
in his face and laughing about it from anyone, right,
I was like, this is so. I just felt like
that was just such a weird way to send those
characters off. But we can assume that they got married.
All I saw a TikTok and someone asked, where did
all of Anthony's money go? How did you go from

(01:26:41):
living the lap of luxury? You had? Liza Minelli in
the gay Men's Course of New York and and geese
and a mote and like this extravagant wedding and now
you're I think Anthony was like a celebrities eyelist before
doing the Hot Fellas Bakery.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Huh maybe it was Stanford's money.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Maybe, oh maybe, so I don't know. Well, that's the
final time that we saw them, and I said, woo
woo woo, woo woo woo. Then we see the Golden
Blats Charlotte and fam and they kind of, I guess
put a button on what we brought up last episode
where Rock wants to see Rock asked to see a
photo from the play and she was like, oh, I

(01:27:18):
deleted it and gave her reasoning and Lily Lily's like,
I've got a few and Rock's final line is I'm
going to be a lot of people in my life
like Rock one tripping because they view it as a
character they were playing, which is the truth. And that's
a nice way of saying that we're always everybody is
in constant transition. We all are constantly we all are

(01:27:39):
going to be a lot of different people in our
in our lifetime. Absolutely, I know I'm certainly on a
different path from RuPaul.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
We're Onborn Naked and the rest of Dragon Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
Yeah, and then we see the Waxleys the final scene
with them, Herbert tells LTW to go relax because she'd
been cooking all day. He says, I've got this mess.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
I'm like, finally, finally, finally with the buzzer beater.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
A nice way to a nice way to send him off.
I want it more of a redeemable quality with him,
but I'll take what i can get because he worked
my ever last nerve this season. I just can't stop
talking about it, like I he just made me because
you know why, maybe it is a trigger because when LTW,

(01:28:31):
even when she was talking to Charlotte about just the
constant showing up and is it ever really about us?
And I know what it's like to just be like
the armchair therapist and just get just sapped of all
your resources and energy and they're not refilling the cup.
It's just take, take, take, take, take, and lean emotionally

(01:28:53):
lean and emotionally dump constantly, constantly, Like that takes it.
And I think that that's what's coming up for me
in this because I'm like, LTW is not getting any equity,
and she clearly loves this man, but she's running herself
ragged and catering to his every need on time like
he's an honorary child.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
He's still doing the bare minimum, like cleaning up the kitchen.
It's not you know, you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
I'm mad about, though, you know what I am mad
about with the Wexleys. In this final scene, we didn't
get to see our diva, Henry.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
I know, I mean my notes.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
I know, we didn't get to say goodbye to our girl.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
We didn't get say goodbye to a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
We didn't. They could have included Bitsy von Mufflin, like
they could have really made this a Thanksgiving to remember.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
I mean, if you ask me, Harry's apartment dinner was
more of a series talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Yeah, no series.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Finale than what we just sat through. And I know
we're not even done.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
But you are so right though, even the way, because
it gave us, It gave us the hope with Naya.
Remember in the in the the black Guy and she
was feeling sexy and like that. Yes, you are absolutely right.
Carries the final dinner in her original apartment before and
that's another thing. Before we wrap this up because now

(01:30:10):
I'm fired up, even though I gotta go to bed.
What the hell was the point in including Lisette in
this season?

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
So that's what I wanted to talk about, and I
will talk. I think we'll save for her the next
you want to save it for next week because I had.
There's there's a lot that I feel like you talk about,
and I want to hear from the people too, So yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
We want to hear from you. I'm glad carry didn't
go backwards, like move back into her apartment. I am
kind of glad about that, Like, keep moving forward. Life
is all about progression. Don't take steps back. But Mike,
I said, and thought about that because they could have
had a dinner with Lasette bitsy, like they could have
called if this were an intended series finale, everybody's phone

(01:30:48):
should have rang up, bitch, I don't know anyway. That's
our final scene with the Wexleys, and then we get
Sema chilling with Adam her holiday, going, well, this warmed
my heart. I've been rooting for Sema, so she's like,
maybe I don't miss gluten. So she's around all the
little hippie dippy people, and you know, in her relaxed state,

(01:31:09):
and I love this for her. Business is booming and
she has a man that loves her. Love that for her.
And then we see Miranda enjoy having their piece of pie,
sitting at the table having a little piece of pie.
We didn't get a chance to say bye to Steve.
I guess we did at the Mexican restaurant. And then
Carrie wraps up the epilogue for her book. We get
her in the MacBook ah and she says, and I

(01:31:32):
also feel like before I read this, the epilogu could
have been a bit stronger ang so too.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
It's a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
I felt like when I think about earlier clauses like
the woman didn't know what she had gotten herself into
was stronger than this, or when Duncan they had that
one scene where she the line was repeated three times
like a mantra that was stronger. But Carrie types the
woman realized she was not alone, she was on her own, damn.

(01:32:07):
And then we get that final shot of Carrie and
I was like, this is a nod to those opening
credits because Carrie is in acrenoline like tow two type dress,
which I hadn't noticed until this final shot. Yeah, I
hadn't locked in until I was like, oh, whoa, whoa woo.
She's an acrenoline type two two. She's sauntering down the hallway.

(01:32:28):
She's still dancing to I think it's a very white song,
and she cuts out a frame and I was like,
that's the perfect exit for our girl. It felt in
respect to her editor with the book, it felt lighthearted
and optimistic, like the seasons and Thanksgiving is over, so
we're about to have another season change in a few weeks,
and like our girl is leaving on a high note.

(01:32:50):
And then the song that they chose to exit with
was the original og Sex and the City opening credits song,
and I was.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Like, wow, the least they could do.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
Sorry, And that is the series finale of HBO Max's
And just like that episode twelve of season three, Denver,
I know that we're.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
Going to We're gonna save our ratings.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
We're gonna save our ratings for next week because we
want to hear what you all have to say. But
I mean, any closing thoughts, any because we'll be talking
about the whole series, So anything that about this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
I'll just end this with. I feel like the last
scene with Carrie dancing around her house. It was weak.
It was we get like the point at that point
I think had been beating over our heads, like she
she's home alone, you know, she turns his year toy off,
she keeps her shoes on because she's alone and she

(01:33:53):
can do whatever she wants. And she dances around the house.
She takes a spoon and takes the middle of the
pie because she doesn't have to with anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Like it was the most like Virginia Magnets are gone.

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
A stronger closing scene would have been that one scene
when that one episode when Duncan left and Carrie was
in the backyard at the table writing. Remember it was
like episode ten. I want to say, yes, that would
have been a I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
It was so it was so I don't want to
say hokey, but like we could have gotten a bit
more I don't know, poignant.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
This was a season finale. Let's just call it what
it is. This was a season finale. Because when I
look at like, you know LTW and Marion, if there
was a season for it would be nice to just
cut cut it at his legs right here, like LTW
would have gotten a fresh storyline. We would have seen
Marion or talked about this damn documentary. It would have

(01:34:48):
been a fresh storyline. As they cut it at the knees,
I felt that I did not like Charlotte's storyline. I'm
glad that they got their sexy time.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Back, but they had a storyline, well Charlotte's. I mean,
it's not a dealing with period like I mean, yeah,
I mean, I'm trying to be fair, but.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
Yeah, and like you know, like we said, we'll talk
more about this, but for a series finale, I'm not
giving my rating. I just was not. I just know
it was a season finale. But it did have its
high points for me, I'll say the good things that
I enjoyed because I know that I've been very heavy
on the writers. But it's give and take. You know,
it's not all terrible. I want to be clear, like

(01:35:35):
the writing's not all terrible, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Just picked off than I actually am. I just I
first of all, I just watched it before we got
on and didn't and did this show, so it's all
really fresh. I'm so processing in real time.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
I thinks are gone forever.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Yeah, they're gone forever. And I feel like we just
deserved more. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
Yeah, And I'm glad that Seema ended on a high note.
I'm glad that Miranda seemingly ended on a high note
because we don't know what's happening with that, and I
just did not if this show does come back or
they decide to give us a movie, because we don't
know how the direction media is going. I can't imagine

(01:36:20):
picking up from these storylines like, oh, keep it going
or leave it like it's going to have to die here,
Like I don't want to see break like because then
it'll be season one in real time, if you know
what I mean. So, yeah, I don't want to be
labor the point or belabor the episode I did love. Yeah,
that's what I was saying.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
My Miranda even wanting to eat pie after cleaning up
literal shit. To me, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
Shout out to the help. Many don't burn chicken eat
my shit. Yeah, I want to have been able to
eat no pie. But what I was saying is the
high point for me. I love the conversation about marriage
because so many of the consumers of this show, so
many women, while we still have the right to choose
because I know, but that is a conversation that is,

(01:37:11):
like I said, it's evergreen and it's not going away
anytime soon. And I think that planting that sea. There's
somebody watching tonight's finale and never thought about that because
it's applicable to a whole bunch of stuff. Is this
something that I want for myself? Or is this something
that I want because society is telling me that I
should want it? Like that, that's going to gag someone

(01:37:31):
who hasn't set and really, you know, litigated and interrogated
that for themselves. So I loved that, And yeah, that
was just you know, and what I will say, what
I will say, No, this is my final point about it.
I'm glad that that Carrie did not like because they
could have ended with Carrie like at a bakery and

(01:37:52):
looking up and a man smiling at her and she's like, Hi,
I care, you know, like they could end it like that.
I'm glad, honestly said what.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
I think I would have preferred something like that. I think.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
I gotta sit with that because what I what I
was going to say is what I liked is that
Carry's story about being comfortable with being alone right now
is the story for a lot, and there's some people
who need to take a break from dating, right They
need to lock into themselves. And I think that there's
something that we don't really see reflected a lot in media,

(01:38:25):
and it's the truth for a lot of women, a
lot of women across age, across race, across generation. It
is the truth for a lot of women are finding
peace by themselves. You know, they say liking liking being
attracted to men as a humiliation ritual. Okay. And so
there are people that are burnt out. The dating pool

(01:38:45):
has p in it. The apps are crazy, and I
feel like, like I said, I see it a lot
on my for you page on TikTok, these types of
conversations like I see people who love.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Don't you feel like we got that conversations? I want
to keep this going, don't you know we've got that
conversation post Aiden pre Duncan and didn't we have a
whole episode of like I'm going to be by myself
and it's okay, And then we got like Duncan kind
of in there. I feel like we revisited something, we
hit a point we hit already.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
But Duncan wasn't a relationship. Duncan was a fling.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
No, but she was, and she didn't know where it
was going to go.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
But yeah, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
More it makes me think of the way Insecure ended
and how it pissed me off that Lisa made that decision. Yeah,
I don't know. I just like I said, these are
conversations that I have had. These are conversations I've participated in,
especially when I interrupt the ecosystem by reminding people none
of us are guaranteed romantic love. And I just think

(01:39:45):
it'll be interesting to see what conversations come from this.
I know that a lot of people hate it. Hated
like the TikTok's my for you page.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
Even I wake up in the morning, it's going to
be Oh, I'm not going to look tonight, but me either.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
I have to go to bed. But anyway, we want
to thank you all for joining us again. Denver and
I are giving you a special bonus episode next week.
So we will give you the price, We will give
you the get those speak pipes in and any questions
that you have for Denver and I you can you

(01:40:18):
can send in and we want to keep it on
about the show. But it's also an open discussion, So
get those speak tripes in and we're going to give
you a we're gonna have a good time next week.
So all right, you all have a good day or
night or whenever you're listening.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
Bye, everyone, Bye,

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