August 6, 2025 • 53 mins
Welcome to the Mid-week edition of the Wests Tigers Podcast, Eddie is joined by Steve and Garry to preview your Wests Tigers Bye week.
After we get past Eddie's new look pod intro the boys look back at last week's victory against the Top 4 Bulldogs at Parramatta. They discuss all the implications of a controversial try celebration, including the breech notice to Brent Naden.
The conversation moves onto Galvin's involvement, or lack of involvement in Sunday's game. The team also discuss the Adam Doueihi contract situation, does his current form warrant an increased contract offer?
Eddie leads the guys through a look at which players we should renew over the next 2 years and finish the pod with their plans for a well-deserved Bye Week.
Thank you for joining us on the Midweek Pod!
Chapters
Introduction and Banter
Discussion on Player Performance
Midweek Podcast Dynamics
Controversial Try Celebration
Adam Doueihi's Contract Situation
Recruitment Updates
Future Prospects and Player Contracts
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After we get past Eddie's new look pod intro the boys look back at last week's victory against the Top 4 Bulldogs at Parramatta. They discuss all the implications of a controversial try celebration, including the breech notice to Brent Naden.
The conversation moves onto Galvin's involvement, or lack of involvement in Sunday's game. The team also discuss the Adam Doueihi contract situation, does his current form warrant an increased contract offer?
Eddie leads the guys through a look at which players we should renew over the next 2 years and finish the pod with their plans for a well-deserved Bye Week.
Thank you for joining us on the Midweek Pod!
Chapters
Introduction and Banter
Discussion on Player Performance
Midweek Podcast Dynamics
Controversial Try Celebration
Adam Doueihi's Contract Situation
Recruitment Updates
Future Prospects and Player Contracts
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/wests-tigers-podcast--6660380/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Has anyone seen Locky Galvin? Has anyone seen Phil Gold?
Has anyone seen James Graham? Has anyone seen Cameron Seraldo?
Has anyone seen Jason Taylor? Has anyone seen Locky Galvin?
Has anyone seen Phil Gold? Has anyone seen Bulldogs' Instagram?
Has anyone seen the kennel? Has anyone seen Phil Gold?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Ha?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Has anyone seen Locky Galvin? Steven Gary, Welcome to West
Tiger's Podcast. Four hundred and twenty four.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Holy smokes, but a start. That's amazing. That was totally unrehearsed.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Well done. Yeah, I think we should just cut upon
there and we just released that.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Now I'll explain that no one will understand that. But
I follow Talk sport over in the UK and their
late night show This is at Night show. They do
that to wind up in opposition, and I thought, what
better way boys going into a bye week, a little
bit of lighthearted banter, get one over the enemy, Gary,
I mean, Sunday night we did the collab podcast and
(01:15):
Rob told me to behave I mean, of all people
to tell me to behave, So I've saved it for
Wednesday night.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
This well, and I had to listen to the West
Tigers podcast, and I can tell you Steve Stretton didn't
behave when he got on on Monday night when he
started talking about lockey Galvin, he gave him a right Royals,
which I quite enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I may of us or aty spilled my beans. I
didn't know this was coming, Steve.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I was standing and applauding when I got to that point,
because it was very he might notice is a very
different level of maturity and humility in hosts compared to
Monday night to tonight. But I was standing and applauding
with your Galvin rant, and I thought, in all seriousness,
it was a very very strong podcast for your voice.
But I was happy that you ripped in with about
(02:03):
eight minutes to go. Well, you know, any opportunities do and.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
He deserved it right And it could have gone the
other way go and could have played the house down
and would all be sulking because of that. But he didn't, Steve, No,
he didn't, and he didn't want to. He didn't want
to go near the football. You know, not only not
only was he absent, he actually dogged it in that
whole game, and I exemplified it in that last part.
(02:30):
But I'm really glad he dogged it, as I kept
telling the bench over and over and over again that
maybe they should put Toby Sexton on.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
The key part of it for me, Steve, and you
mentioned it on Sunday night, is his lack of engagement
of the line.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
A strength of his game while he was playing for
US was his running game, and he's playing through contact,
and he's ball playing through contact and kicking close to
the line. All that disappeared on the weekend. And to
be fair, it has disappeared a little bit for a
couple of weeks since he went to the Dogs. But
I thought we would have seen a guy that engaged
(03:08):
the line a little bit more than we did see
on Sunday night. And maybe it's the broken hand or
the injured wrists or the injured ankle, but made he
didn't go anywhere near our defensive line on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, And I honestly think it was the the at
the game, the guy doing the camera work at the game,
like focusing on him before kickoff like that was obviously
done on purpose, because they went to him about five
times before actual kickoff started. Once they get out in
the field, and you know, as we all saw, the
crowd were booing and carrying on and he was rattled.
(03:44):
He was absolutely rattled. Then for the first twenty minutes
Louill was brilliant. Louis. I just kept feeding the ball
to Samuela who just charged at him time and time
and time again. And he was off his game. He
didn't want to know about it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
So the crowd was doing it.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Wasn't just Rache who happened to end up in the
in the Daily Telegraph on Monday doing Lucky Gavin.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
It was the whole crowd, not just Range.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
But she made a good fist of it. Let me
tell you I will sit next to her.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Alrighty boys, a little bit of a different midweek podcast.
There's no Quick Steve, so you'll be this very disappointed
about that, mortified, and no game to preview, but we
will jump around a little bit all over the place.
Probably wouldn't have done a podcast Wednesday night if we
didn't beat the Bulldogs Gary. But I'm in a good
mood this week, as you might have noticed, so.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Mate, this has been one of the best weeks of
my year. Just woke up on Monday happy, woke up
on Tuesday, Happy, woke up today happy, and then I
found out I was doing a probly few guys and
the depression hit.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Then you had to tell Happy to get out of
your bed.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well, banter and drama at the game, and you guys
touched on it maybe a little bit on Monday night,
Steve with Joel and Nick, Me and Gary did touch
on it Sunday because we didn't really know anything about it.
But the Tigers last Try celebration. It's obviously been all
over the media clickbait the last couple of days, but
(05:12):
he's a talking point, official warnings for the two final
brothers and a fine for Brent Naden. Gary, was that
a fair result?
Speaker 4 (05:24):
It's hard to really know.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I'm not of Arabic descent, if you've ever seen me
on as white and pale skin as they come. But
so I'm not going to tell people what they should
be offended by when I don't know anything about the sign.
So it is a hard one for me to sit
here and kind of judge people who are offended by it.
(05:51):
But everyone I've spoken to who is from that culture
doesn't really have too much of an issue with the sign,
will admit most of them the Tiger supporters, so they
may be a little bit biased in that regard, but
that there's a really Gervaise saying that I always go
back to. Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right.
(06:13):
And look, I don't know enough about the sign itself
to really have much of a say, but if the
reports of it being a little bit of an up
yours and that sort of stuff is true, then I
don't have too much of a.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Problem with it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Well. I have been practicing the sign at home all week.
It's a little bit difficult to execute. My ring finger
doesn't quite go where it's meant to. But anyway, but Steve,
I mean even the mainstream has been a little bit
all over the shot with it. And you listen to
guys like I listened to braithon Asta and he'd obviously
have a lot of Lebanese friends. And even when I
went to school, I had lots of Lebanese friends. I
know it was a different era, but they're quite playful
(06:51):
and lighthearted and they are in your face. But I
think the NRL actually used good discretion here. Thought usually
you know the Panthers trainer, it was things blow up
and they react to that I think this time they
actually came to the right decision.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, I would agree with that. I think a warning
to the players on field was a correct reaction from
the NRL. I thought Naden need to be treated a
little bit differently, Like apparently it was a private post
and then from that it became public. But he needs
to know better than that, right, he needs to know
(07:28):
what can happen, that anything you put up there can
end up out in the public sphere as it did, right,
So yeah, he does need to be But I suppose
I've got a slightly different take on it, and that's
from the club perspective. And you probably know what I'm
going to say because I'm a little bit old fashioned
in this regard. You know, I don't like the I
(07:51):
don't like the try celebration stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I just like players, you know, score a try, get
back halfway, do it again, stay disciplined, do it again. Right,
that's my mindset. So I didn't like what Leui did
and what Taruva did with the galv and stuff. I
thought that inflamed already hot situation and made it a
lot worse. I copped a lot of flag flat.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Because I was on your side, Oh you were, you.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Were actually yeah, But most people said to me Louis
was all right, Toruver was over line. I actually thought
they both cross the line. And I think they did
the same like the can every Bankstown supporters are probably
the most passionate, and you could say argument and even aggressive,
but they're supporters, right. Supporters is different to the players
on the field, and I just don't think they should
(08:37):
be doing that sort of stuff. And I think our
club behind closed doors should really be riding the riot
act and saying this is not acceptable. It's not the
standard we've bought, unwanted attention to ourselves. It's not the
look we want. And there'll be a lot of people
probably saying, oh, you've been too serious with it. But
I don't know, what do you guys.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Think, Steve, You and I were sitting at the Paramatta
game at Combank Stadium earlier in the year, our home game,
I can't remember which one it was, whichever it was
these the Monday game, and there there were some West
Tigers fans absolutely giving it to the bench of Paramatter
and the Paramatta players were actually standing up and almost
(09:20):
to the point of calling the supporters down to have
let's say, a heated discussion with them, but it would
have been more than that that got to that level,
and we didn't see any news reports about it. We
didn't see any articles about it. And that was players
getting to the point where they were yelling abuse and
(09:41):
calling players down. And I'm not justifying the behavior. The
behavior from the West Tiger supporters who were shouting the
abuse at the Paramatta players that we heard was was
way out of line, to the point that I actually
contacted the club and put in a complaint about that behavior.
But the Paramatta players on that occasion were actually aggressive
(10:05):
towards fans and we didn't hear a word about it.
So I think there's a little bit of a case
of double standards here.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I know that it was a very visible thing and it.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Was players actually on the field, and it probably got
more media due to that. We didn't hear booth about
Paramatta players getting into verbal arguments with play with fans
in the stands on Easter Monday.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I you know, I don't want to wrap journal, Steve,
but I actually thought there was a good article I
was today yesterday by Michael Chammers, who is of Arabic
descent who sort of played it down, who said and
I even saw I know it's player to player, but
I saw a photo of Jacob Krraz greeting Adam Dewey
in the warm up with the same gesture and laughing,
and they're two Lebanese guys, So I know that's player
(10:54):
to player. And I know inciting the crowd is always
dangerous territory, but I think in the context of West Tigers,
I know it's I get what you're saying, where you know,
you score a try, and I think rather than you know,
walk back to halfway and concentrate, at least celebrate with
your teammates, not celebrate with the crowd. That's what we
try and do in cricket is encouraged you to celebrate
(11:16):
with your teammates, don't go on an individual celebration by yourself.
But in the context of what Canterbury have done to
us and their supporters, like let's remember Cameron Serroudo knocked
us back last year, we had that over line. They've
taken our best young player, Phil Gould is Phil Goold
and the Bulldogs fans would have been antagonizing them for
(11:37):
seventy five minutes. Brent Nadan, Yes, he went over the
line with your Instagram post. I will say those Instagram
posts by Taruvera and Naden go to it's called you know,
it's a green circle Instagram. They go to your close mates.
They're obviously not very close mates because one of them
sending it on to someone who sends it on to
the media. So hopefully they've learned a lesson by that.
But what I'm saying is I reckon. If I scored
(11:58):
that try, Steve, and I hope I'm never out there,
but if I scored that try, I might have considered
doing the same thing. Because these people are humans, They're emotional,
and I think this will create a really big rivalry
and the NRL be licking their lips about that.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I can't argue with any of that. That's everything you've
said makes perfect sense. And I can't be hypocritically either,
because I was extremely emotional on the weekend and given
it too. But it was lighthearted. It was lighthearted. But
I just think I suppose my only point is this
(12:32):
as a club, as a team, we lack discipline. We
lack discipline on the field. You know, you could say
we lack discipline across the club historically. I just hope
that we respect the need for discipline. I suppose that's
what I'm saying. Yeah, And look, I'm being a party
(12:53):
pooper and I can't argue with you any You make
a lot of sense, but I would just like to
see this be a little bit more discipline, a little
bit more reserved, I suppose.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Okay, Well, I just think look out for those two
games next year because they will. The reason I'm getting
my shots in now is I know they're going to respond. Canby.
They're a strong club with a great fan base, like
a really great fan base, and if they had done
that to us, I wouldn't have gone and complained to
the NFL. If I was a fan, I would have
just said, well, it's there day, good luck to them.
Carry on how you like. But boys, let's stop talking
(13:26):
about that. Let's go to Adam Dewy because he is
beating the news again Gary. He had an outstanding game obviously.
On Sunday, rumors that the Tigers or it was quotes
actually from Shane Rigson on Monday that there is a
two year deal now on the table, and Rich I said,
that's our final offer. There's no deadline on it, but
(13:46):
it'll be up to Adam. Where do you think this
is going to end up?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Well, apparently the Dragons are about one hundred and fifty
thousand more season than we are that they're apparently about
five hundred thousand for each of the two years, and
we're at three.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
For where we stand as a club and what Adam
has shown for us over the last couple of years,
I think that's about the right offer. I'd go to
probably four hundred thousand, but I don't think at this
point in time we're a club that can really go
much higher than that. And I don't want to take
(14:25):
any credit away from what he did on the weekend.
I thought he was fantastic on the weekend, But we
have seen these sort of games from him in the past,
and the consistency in that sort of role has been
the issue for him in the past. To go much
higher than that, I want to see him playing at
that level regularly, and we just haven't seen that from
him yet. And that's to take nothing away from his
(14:47):
last month of football. His last month of football has
been excellent.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
It's tough, Steve, I mean, I sort of changed my
opinion on Adam. Do you every week you know, you know,
every three weeks for the last year, But I know,
like your cricket, so I just use a little cricket analogy,
like he's a really good footballer. And when I say
cricket is a really good cricket is it's not because
they're good at one skill. It's because they're good at
several skills with the fielding, bowling, batting, like Adam Dewey
(15:13):
has proved this year. He can be a decent center,
he could be a decent lock, he can be good
in the halves, he could be good off the bench.
Like to me, the way the game's going, that sort
of a player, maybe it is worth more than three
out and fifty thou a year.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, I think it is. And the one thing you
haven't mentioned there that I think it's hard to put
a value on. But he's a Tiger. He loves the jersey,
he loves the club, and he supports support the team
when he was younger, and there's something in that. You know,
when we've had a season where blokes have said they
don't want to be part of the club and walk
down on us to have a bloke actually wants to
(15:51):
be there and his preference is to stay. Whether he'll
stay for less, I don't know. R There's got to
be some value based on that though, that we're trying
to build something and he does have the sort of
mindset and attitude love for the club and the jersey
that we're looking for. It is a hard one. I'm
(16:12):
probably I'm probably agreeing with both of you. I think
he's worth more than three fifty. Is he worth five hundred?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Probably not. Would I pay up to five hundred probably close?
Probably close from what I've seen, But more than from
what I've seen. It's the versatility that he's providing now.
That's where his value is, not his last month of
footy or his last game on the weekend. It's that
versatility that he could play thirteen for us, He can
(16:39):
jump in at seven or six if we need it,
and if it's gained specific as I said the other night,
he can play fourteen for us if he's got the
attitude for it. You know, he's a pretty important guy
on the roster actually, when you look at it like that.
If he can maintain his form.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
A couple I think Steve.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
He has now called out Shane Richardson at least once
in regard to his contract negotiations, and for me, that's
not a guy that necessarily shows his love for the
club in the correct manner, like going into press conferences
and saying you'll have to speak to Rito about my
contract and all those sort of comments. I don't think
(17:24):
is a really good look. And at this point, I
think there's a couple of positions he could slide into
in our squad next year, and if he's continuing the
Hars continues, one of those is potentially the number seven jersey.
But at this point he doesn't own any of those spots.
And I'm of the belief that with Appy at the
(17:44):
point in his career he is, that fourteen needs to
be someone who can play hooker, and I don't think
Adam can do.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
That role for us.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So if he doesn't fit into that thirteen spot, if
he doesn't fit into that seventh spot, and he is
a backup in all of those positions, and I think
would get plenty of games because he can play so
many different positions, and pretty much anytime we have an injury,
he comes into that squad. But I just don't know
where he fits into that squad for next year, and
(18:16):
that's why I'm reluctant to go five hundred thousand or higher,
because I just don't know where he fits at this
point in time.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I think your point on his attitude is a good one.
But we know that about Adam, do you. We know
that's what we're going to get from him, and he
probably comes across a lot more or a lot ruder
than it. It's probably meant to, you know. I dislike
totally those times he said I'm a six and if
I don't get six, I'm not interested.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
That's that attitude is terrible, But I think that's part
of the whole package with him. I think he believes
in himself and he's got such a strength of character
in going out there to prove himself. He does back
himself and he doesn't shy away from blokes like rich
A lot of people would run away from Richel. He's
a pretty scary sort of dude, right, But I don't
(19:05):
think Adam do He would. And I think a him said, well,
you know, come on, come on, Richard, you show is
what you got type thing that's Adam doing. I'm not
defending him really because I tend to agree with you,
but I don't know. I just said enough throwing to
think he's worth having in our squad. I'd do it
at around I'd i'd pay four fifty. I'd go to
four fifty.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I reckon one hundred percent. I won him here next year.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I think, like a month ago, I would have been
happy with that one year deal at around the three
hundred and fifty thousand. At that point, a lot of
people were ready for it to just let him go.
I'm actually quite happy they have extended that to a
year based on the form that he has shown over
the last month. But there has to be that kind
of limit somewhere, and I think if he can get,
(19:52):
especially a half spot at five hundred thousand at the Dragons,
I think that's a very hard offer to kind of match.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
But they're not offered him a half spot. That's the
sticking point. They've told him.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
He'll be actually spot here.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
No, he potentially has a half spot here, but it's
a little bit less money, So I guess there's a
decision there for him to make.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
In fairness to the Tigers and rich O Steve, like
I'm just looking at it. Adam Dohoe has been with
the club since twenty twenty, so this is his sixth season. Now,
he's played eighty three games, and my rough math says
total amount of games in six years is about one
hundred and fifty, so he's played just over fifty percent
of the games. Obviously it's not his fault he's getting injured,
(20:36):
but the club has to look at things like that.
If you've had three acls and you're only twenty six
years of age, the chances of doing another one again,
i'd say, are still relatively high.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, well I heard. I don't know how correct this is.
I just heard in conversation that when he went to
the dragons before he fell, I mean that they did
with him, you know. So there is that, and the
club's got away and we don't know that that sort
of stuff where any where any speculating.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Right, It's interesting. I'll just jump in stee was interesting.
I was listening to Phil Goold's podcast tonight and I
mean he was looked like he's swallowed a wasp. But anyway,
he was talking about Adam Dewey and he actually sort
of let slip that Adam Dewey had emailed the Bulldogs
a few years ago offering his services because obviously he
was his own manager, and he said he was offering
himself for a lot more than he is now, and
(21:25):
he said that the Bulldog's actually got mail that he
was very susceptible to an ACL. Then, I mean, he
could just be talking crap field good, but he was
basically saying we thought he was going to get injured.
He did then go on to do his ACL. So
it's like, you wonder what sort of background information there
is from clubs out there, because it's not like there's
(21:46):
seven or eight clubs sort of in the mixed bidding
against each other.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
At the moment.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
It's probably a slightly desperate sir George, and that's that's.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Going to impact, you know, the negotiations. Maybe the club's
got that in the back of their mind. Maybe they're
proving to for me, maybe it's just maybe three fifty
is a smart He's a smart move by the club.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And if you have a look at his form on
the weekend and most of his form over the last month,
if he was playing at that level consistently, he's that
level player of the money he was asking three or
four years ago, which is the eight hundred thousand dollars plus.
That's if he was playing how he played on Sunday
regularly and showing that every week, that's what he.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Would be worth. And there he's contractor.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Before the one of the Acel injuries was around that mark,
he was up around that seven hundred eight hundred thousand.
So he does have the potential to be that sort
of player. He just hasn't shown it enough for me.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
There's an argument Steve, and I don't necessarily agree with it,
but I'm going to make an argument that he could
be out. He's our player of the year. I know
the obvious pick is Terrell May and Taruver's been great
and Buller's been great, but I'm just looking through the games.
I don't think we beat Cronulla if we don't have
Adam Dewey. Obviously he kicked that penalty goal in overtime.
(23:15):
I don't think we beat the Roosters without Adam Dewey,
who was a late inclusion to the halfs had a
blinder that day. We certainly don't beat the Titans without
Adam doing kicks a field goal with ten seconds to go,
and maybe we would have beat the Dogs without him,
but he was the best player by the length of
the strait. So that's four games where I'd argue we've
only won eight that he has been the difference in
(23:37):
those games.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I think we were all really concerned about Adam deeing
and will come in at the beginning of this season. Defensively,
he's shown a real lack of application and desire to
get his shoulder in there and you know, defend consistently. Well,
he's turned that around this year. He's attacking. He showed
(24:00):
like like in the wet picking up that loose ball
and all those two runs right to get away. He
showed some great speed. So you know, I don't know
what he's done. He's been working on his game, got
himself super fit. Not sure what it is. Maybe it's
a bit of mindset as well, but he has had
a different different attitude and application this year and it's
shown he's he's been a very good foot bar and yeah,
(24:22):
just listening to you rattle those off, I think you're
pretty close to being right. You know, like he's had
a lot of impact for us. And at the end
of the day, we've said we've said that we tend
to lack a bit of impact, and he's a guy
who has provided it.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Talking about his speed, Eddie's a gamble.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
He'll know some horses are just mud runners, and I
think he may just be a little bit of a
mud runner because his pace was reasonable on the weekend.
But talking about that change of application in defense, I
think the biggest thing that highlights that for me, Steve
is the Gold Coasts, not the Gold Coast the Bulldogs
last try on the weekend, his effort to get him
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back there and almost saved that try.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
I don't think we see that from him last year
or the year before.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
He's never really been that player that really chases down
a ball like that or chases a guy that's made
a break. And that's the big change in what I've
seen in him this season is that that application to
effort plays. It's always been the effort plays that I've
had concerns about before this season, and credit where credits due,
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he has improved that massively this season.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
And something else from the weekend to a nick point
of this out on Sunday night when I'm not going
to listen, then well steal it. This is actually a
good one.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Monday night.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
He's he mentioned the team getting into a huddle before
they went off at halftime and Dey was commanding the conversation.
And it's not the fact that he spoke, it's the
fact that Luai and Appy let him speak. If I
didn't respect him, that have had just jumped in and
talked over him. Right, that's the way it works. If
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you don't respect the bloke the if the other team
members again aren't going to listen to the guy, they're
not going to let him talk, but they let him
have you say, and so it shows that the team
that that's seventeen really respect him, and that's a positive
as well.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
It wasn't just that either though, Steve.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
After the game he was getting his pitches taken with
Loui and Taruva, and Louie and Taruva were actually praying
in the center of the field and Adam Dewey joined
them in that as well, just the three of them.
And that there's been a little bit of a narrative
around the club in certain parts about a little bit
of a concern around the pacifica kind of click that
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may be forming in the club having a look at
Adam Dewey on the weekend. He didn't look to be
on the outside of any click at our club.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I saw Josh Reynolds quote Steve Sorry, it was justin
Horro's quotes, and he was talking about Josh Reynolds because
they do a show together, a podcast, and they were
talking about Adam Dewey and Josh Reynolds basically said, there's
no way Adam do He will want to be a
lock full time. So I think if that's Saint George's plan,
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I think he still might stay at the Tigers because
I think he'll look at this last month and I
reckon he won't make a decision till the end of
the year because it's clear he's playing for a contract
and he's adding value to his contract every week. The
way he's going, he's playing really desperately and he's playing
good football. But he'll be looking at the next four
weeks and going no reason if we can't keep winning,
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you know, four out of the last five and I
started half back, that my dollars might go up a
bit more and I could potentially be the halfback of
it the Tigers or the Dragons.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, as long as he's prepared to accept the fact
that la ju Fann who could shoot the lights out
and then take the spot which puts him to thirteen.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I just shouldn't like that from the bench.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Well it is, but you know, he's he's shown that
he's got it and I think has a lot of
respect for him and is bringing him along at the
pace of Benji thinks correct. So you know, I think
there's a potential that he would get frustrated at the Dragons,
but I'm saying I think there's potential that he could
be frustrated for the same reasons here, but you know,
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he'd probably get a better shot out of here. I
don't know Flannigan's going to let let his son out
at number seven.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I think there'll be a decision in the next month. Gary.
I think it might just slide on to the end
of the season.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, I think if he got the offer he wants
from us, I think he probably decide fairly quickly.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
So I think, as he has said, that ball's probably
in Shane Richardson's court a little bit. And I agree
with you.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Like everything we've heard from him, I don't see him
going to the Dragons to play thirteen if he can.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Get something else.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So I think what happens next really depends on what
we do as a CLI. If he gets a slight
increase on that offer, that may be enough for him
to sign straight up. I think it's a little bit
of a wait and see and comes down ultimately to
what Jane Richardson decides to.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Do this World Series Rugby or whatever it is. Steve
it could be to fly in the ointman, I've been
reading a bit about it. It seems quite mysterious. But
anything backed by the Saudi Investment Fund or whatever they are,
they bankroll anything.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, there'll be some dollars in it. And there's also
one team coming in and then another team coming in,
then another team coming in. So there's not going to
be any shortage of offers out there for decent NRL
players over the next couple of years, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
All right, boys, it's moved from Madam. Do we talk
it a little bit of recruitment? Gary. There was some
news dropping today. I think it's actually confirmed on the
West Tiger's instagram that Maverick Guy, a son of Mark Guy,
has signed for the club for one year is it
or two?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
It's a one year deal. I believe, so, yeah, just
for next year. Apparently he wasn't off at a contract
at all from Penriff and his moving across to the
West Tigers next year. He's always been a player I
thought had a little bit of potential. He's still quite young,
so depending on the contract, as long as it's the
right contract, I'm not too disappointed with it. You and
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I did have a conversation earlier about that players, but
I think he's he's a player that will possibly provide
some for the club and mostly spend his time in
him playing for the Magpies.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I think he debuted about the year ago. Just remember
him having that huge contingent of mates out. It might
have been Alliards or something Steve, but still pieces of
the jigsaw you'd like to think with recruitment to come.
We know, you know November December when crickets playing, there's
things can drop out of the tree to real May
did last year. So probably got to keep something up
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his sleeve for that because Sarry cap squeeze can happen
at some clubs.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
We need someone to drop out of the tree that's
going to make a huge thump, right, We need to
have big that elite, elite middle player to sign with
the club. I don't know where he's going to come from,
but year we need him. Yeah, the Maverick guy one.
I think it's a good signing. Our back row is
still going to be untested next year. I think Samuel
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Fine who is showing that he's got the goods to
be good in the second rower. I don't know about
Pierce Paul yet. I've seen a couple of good games
from him. Newcastle will just be let's see how he goes.
But to have a back up there with Mattick Guy,
I saw him playing earlier in the year and he
looked looked okay without looking overly damaging. Especially another guy
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coming as well, isn't that.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah guy from the from the Roosters as well. But
the thing with Guy is I think he's an upgrade
on guys we have in the top thirty at the moment.
Like so, I'd much rather have someone like Maverick Guyer
playing in our lower grades than Brendan Turmouth.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Okay, yeah, there was a post. I don't know, that
might just be Facebook post says the West Tigers have
taken advantage of the back row squeeze at the Roosters
by landing one of the club's most promising forwards understood.
Twenty year old Ethan Roberts has agreed to a two
year deal with the Tigers from next season, where he
will join the club alongside Penrith Backbrow at Maverick Guyer.
So again a player that maybe Decan or some of
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the guys that watched the lowel grades regularly might know
a little bit about. But Gary we it seems like
it's still like even I read something about, you know,
Charlie Murray, we re signed him. I know, I don't
think it was a top thirty contract, but I read
something online that the Tigers are shopping him around, you know,
the three weeks after they signed him. I get the
same feeling with Tristan Hope. We signed him and I'm
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thinking should we have done that?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, I was a bit perplexed by both those signings
at the time. But Charlie Murray's manager has come out
in the last twenty four hours and said it's not
true that the Tigers aren't shopping him around. So I
don't really know what's going on there. I could see
a situation where he's on a development contract next year,
and if one of the Super League clubs came in
and offered him a good contract, then I could see
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why the Tigers may say let him go for a
better opportunity, even despite having signed him like weeks ago.
But like, I'm not too fussed either way. If he's
here on a development contract, I'm okay with that. He's
a fairly old player to really be using one of
your development spots on. But if they were release him
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to go playoffse where, I don't really have too much
of an issue with that or either because I don't
if he's seeing a lot of first grade next year,
then we're in trouble. The thing I do like about
Guy and the other other rumored signing is second row.
Despite us bringing in Kay Piers Paul, is still an
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area where we lack depth. It's an area where as
soon as we get an injury, we're in trouble. So
bring and a couple other guys to kind of improve
that area. That was I think is a pretty smart idea.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Well, Steve, I've been in the lab, I've been doing
my homework and I've just gone through the West Tyers
players off contract at the end of twenty twenty five
and twenty twenty six. We'll start with the twenty twenty
five ones. Just give me a simple yes or no,
or I'll give you one fifty to fifty if you're
on the fence whether you would resign these players? Adam
do you yes? Josh Feldy no? Justin Madame Moua no.
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Brent Naden fifty leaning towards now my new favorite player
Brenton Charlie stains.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
How happy were you when he was named on the weekend?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I was horrified, But after his celebration against the Bulldogs,
I just find the fact that Brent Naden like he's
a trial Steve and I'm a troll. So that's why
I like him, because he has been in reserve grade
and he managed to antagonize an entire fan base. So
well done, Brandon Naden. Even though I don't think you
should be playing for West Tigers next year, Charlie, but.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Anyway, we are happy with what he produced on the
field on the weekend.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Did he did fine? He did fine much. I think
the job. I think the swimming pool conditions probably help
him on the dry track against Manly with Kohler in
the centers, I'd be horrified, like what he could do
to Brent Naden, but he didn't let us down on
the weekend. No doubt he's got ability, but he's just
never like you said Monday Night, Steve, he's never been
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consistent throughout his career and some of his off field
antics has been part of the reason. I'm sure. Charlie
Staines No, Brandon Tuomoth Nope. All right, Gary, these are
the guys off contract at the end of twenty twenty six,
and I want you to say if you know, I
say you get to November this year, where they'd be
free to negotiate whether you would extend them, whether fifty
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to fifty or whether you put him through the shredder now,
Jack Burt, No, so you only find it one hundred percent?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yes, extension, Yeah, I'd extend him tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Tristan Hope, No, Kitler Lily.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
That that's a hard one.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I'm at this point I'm leaning to know because I
don't think he's shown quite enough.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
All right, I'll stay with you Gary for the rest
of them, and Steve, you can jump into the end
if you disagree with Gary on any of them. Lukely, Yes,
I'd keep him Heith Mason, No.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Solomon Suduku No, despite him being on my trivia team
at A what started this function?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I don't even know who that is. He's not in
on top thirty, is he?
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
He is.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
He has been for a couple of years. Wow, he
was a development player a couple of years ago. I
think he's now in the top thirty.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Steve smiling, it's good.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Good premp.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Uh Girass Skelfon, Yes, Toney Suka no.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Oh. I think he does have potential staff of tower.
That's a.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I will say yes now, but I'd like to see
him play a little bit more before the end of
the year to see whether those defensive issues are going
to kind of continue and whether he's lack of pogency
in attack the last few weeks will improve.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
So yes, I would, But yeah, I'm a little bit
nervous about it. Steve.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Any issues with what Gary said that, No, no issues
with that at all. But I do want to just
mention Tristan Hope and bring it up again. I just
don't get it, Hope. I just cannot see the reason
and I just I just wrote down here as you
guys were talking the impact of Bloke like Jacob Little
and Billy Walters have both both those guys have for
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their prospective teams.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
At the moment, it took us a big spot.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, when they come on and play that twenty five
minutes or either side of halfway, or how however they
choose to do it, Like Billy Waters plays less than
half a game, and I would argue that could pick
up Man of the match half the time he goes
out there. The impact that guy has when he goes
out there for the Broncos, and I just don't understand.
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I know we don't know everything, but we've let go
a bloke who said he wanted to stay, had that
sort of impact but wanted to start. I get that
for a guy that to me is filling at absolute best.
I'm really concerned about that for next year.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah, I don't want appy.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I think we've spoken about it a lot over the
last couple of years, and I think we're saying it
last year. We don't really want happy playing eighty minutes
a game. I think there's some weeks where you're needing to.
I think there's certain games you go into you want
to have us lightly different bench rotation and.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Miss one Gary was perfect big game leading.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Road yep, you and you playing a pack like the Dogs.
You want that extra forward there. So there's certain weeks
where you're playing eighty minutes, but there's some weeks where
you don't. Like there's a lot of weeks. You don't
want to be playing him eighty minutes. You want to
be playing him sixty minutes.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
And all Hope really provides you is a body to
give Happy arrest. That's it.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I want someone who can come on and have some impact.
And I watched that Pendriff game Steve and I went
out to it. No, Steve wasn't there. I went out
to the Pendriff game at Combank, and Happy, just before
he came off, was getting really tired and starting to
fall off tackles and he needed a break.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
The problem was we put Hope on and he was
falling off more.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Tackles than Appy was when he was dead tired after
playing a really high impact game where he actually he
played his heart out for sixty minutes. The guy that
came on to replace him was playing worse. And I
don't want to lose something when Appy goes off. I
know we're not going to have a Happy on the field.
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But someone with a bit of speed around the rack,
someone can provide some point of difference other than just being.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
A warm body. So appy can go sit on the
bench for twenty minutes. I think we need more than that.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
My last little bit of research I did, Steve just
for you tonight. I went through the twenty twenty five
off contract and it's slim pickings. But I'm going to
give you three answers. You can say none, you can
say slight, or you can say yes. Say if you
have any interest in some of these players. Might not
have hurt of some of them, but anyway, Felice.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Cafusi, Felice Cafusi, slight.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
From the Knights, Adam Elliott and Tyson Frazzell.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Adam Elliott, Yes, Tyson Frazzell. David Klemmeruh, Gary.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
That would be a West Tigers move, though, wouldn't it
Release in one year and signing.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I think the UK is calling mister Clemo, even though
he's had a very good career. Gary, Mark Nichols and
the Dolphins. No Takiaho from Manly. I know he's old,
but he's been playing all right for them upfront. Yeah,
I'd consider it for one year, and I can't read
the writing of the last one, So we're not going
to bother with that. But boys like you said, Steve,
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I think maybe the strategy, I don't know if it's
a wise strategy that came off last year. Maybe the
strategy is to wait and see. Because do you still
think we are two middle short of being potential top
eight side next year?
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
I think we're too two dynamic forwards short. And you
could say two middles, you could still say one middle,
one edge player. You know, I'm just throwing this name
out of the first one say, but I kick out
for example, the impact that guy has on a football game.
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You know, I'd just go there. We've got to have
tons of money, I'd.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Go there's rumors about him a little bit that he
could be one of them that gets squeezed out.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Well, mate, if that was the case, I would be
onto him so quickly. Wouldn't be funny. We've got to
have a war chest of money somewhere, right because we
haven't spent it yet, and I'd be finding I'd be
fining anyone I could that might be semi interested in
coming to this club and throwing a ton of money
at them and absolutely the middle, and I'd be happy
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to say two middles, or if not two middles and
one middle and an edge back rower that was going
to be dynamic.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
That that's the thing, the one thing that gives me
a little bit of hope moving into the off season,
the recruitment, because I think we've been pretty good at
picking up players who have fallen out of clubs in
the past twelve months, mainly the two Mays, but I
think we've done a very good job when when a
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guy in an area of need has come loose at
the club, we've got him across and I think we've
done well using Drome Lui in that situation. And once
Terrell was here, we use Terrell to get his brother here.
And I know those were probably beneficial circumstances for us,
but that's what those circumstances are.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
When a guy falls out of.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
A club, and I'm hopeful that we can kind of
pick up someone that the right person falls out of
a club and we can pick them up for next season. Hopefully,
as they said, a nice big front row who can
play some decent minutes but cause some impact through the
middle of the field.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Taylor May Steve, it's a tricky one. I watched his
podcast today with his brother, quite an intense podcast if
you get to watch it in the next couple of weeks.
But that's a bit of a tricky one for the
club because he could now you know, the Tigers have
taken the head and give him a training trial and
he's proved that he's clearly a very good RL player.
So there could be seven or eight clubs in for him.
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You know, we might get a little bit of a
brother discount, but we might not. Is there Do you
have a figure on what we should offer May and
how many years or it's hard to know.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Yeah, I think clubs are going to come after him
for sure. I don't think he's a huge risk to leave.
I think he's I think he's pretty cemented to Benji
and the opportunity that Benji has given him. He said, yeah,
I had listened to it as well. He loves playing
with his brother and they mentioned that they'd love to
get the third brother from from the UK across as well.
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So I think he's pretty glued into the club as
far as how much and for how long a couple
of year contract offer him. I don't know what are
your players center like a dynamic center of him? Is
he is he out around the five hundred thousand mark.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
I'm guessing. I don't know what they're worth. He you know,
i'd pay him good money because he's he's going to
be an impactful player for us. The thing with that
that worries me and listening to that podcast is I
don't I just don't know how rock solid he's going
to be. You know, it wouldn't surprise me to see
him go off the rails pretty easily, right.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
He mentioned how he mentioned just how sore his body was,
which was interesting, Like I think Gary and a couple
have said, you know, with surprised he got the first
grade so early, but having been out of contact for
so long, and I think he's probably I know it
was really difficult conditions Gary for any outside backs on
the weekend, but I think he's probably the last couple
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of weeks it might have just hit him a little
bit that it's this has all come pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, maybe he played a game and a half of
reserve grade. So he played a game and a half
in about two years before he made his deboo.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
For us, So.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I would expect him to be sore, because it doesn't
matter how hard you train off the field, the physical
toll your body goes through on the field is completely
different to anything you can replicate at home by yourself,
and he was at home by himself. So yeah, I
don't think that side of it's surprising, but I think
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Steve is exactly right. No matter what way you paint it,
it's still not a risk free signing, So I think
there's got to be a little bit of probably a
discount with that kind of in mind that you are
still taking a risk on this guy. He's not that
far out of the troubles he had in the past,
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and I think he's making a really strong goal of
turning them around. And I've seen bits and pieces of
that podcast, and I was I like how open and
honest he was about his issues, and the first thing
you have to do to kind of get past those issues.
And you don't have to be open and honest on
a pod like he was, but being open and honest
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with yourself about where you are as a person and
where you are in life is really crucial, and he
seems to have that, so hopefully he can make a
fist of this opportunity because another big stuff up, he
probably doesn't get another opportunity.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
So I thinker's crossed for him.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah, i'd echo those remarks, the fingers crossed for the guy,
because he does come across as a really likable guy
who wants to get his act together. The opposite could
be true as well, you know, like this could be
the best thing that's ever happened for him, you know,
like to be playing with his brother, and it's obvious,
it's obvious that there's a strong bond there, to be
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playing for a coach that he respects, to be in
amongst a group of mates that he really gets on
with and feels a part of. He says every day
is a challenge for him, that every getting up and
being happy and content is a challenge. So maybe the
West Tigers is that safe place for him. Maybe the
West Tigers is exactly what needs and I really hope
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it is. I'd love to see it, you know, obviously
for the club's perspective, i'd love to see it, but
you know, just listening to him, I'd love to see
it for him too.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yeah, I think that's crucial for him. Steve, he may
not get the support that he has at the West
Tigers at another club. The leaders of our team, Like
he's got his brother there who's known him all his life.
But the other leaders in our team, guys like Happy,
Jerome Law, these are all guys that have known him
for a long time, so that they're all from that
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Mount Druid area. They all came through together. Not necessarily
he's a little bit younger than those guys, but his
older brothers played played with those guys as well, so
he's been around those guys for a long time. And
I don't know that he gets that support at another
club from that long term kind of base that he
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has with them. So I think this is probably the
best place for him to be to get that opportunity
to make those improvements that he's trying to make in
his life.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
It was an interesting contrast because a lot of those
Penrith boys, Gary are you know, they're pretty loud and brash,
and like Jerome and Happy and Taruva and even Terrell,
his older brother, is a pretty you know, like he
will tell you what he thinks, where if Taylor struck me.
He's very introverted, quite shy.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I think I've mentioned before, like I used to teaching
them out through an area. I've had interactions with the
family for a long time and he always came across
as a little bit quieter than the other two boys.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
So yeah, I just think the interesting point out of that,
Gary is that you know, they've they've they're both now
going to church regularly and they've sought solace and a
whole lot of different areas. And it's taken them years
and years and years obviously to get over the influence
that you had on them at an early age.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Mate.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Yeah, that's exactly what it is. One of them had
to move to England to get away from it.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
I've been going to church lately, Steve, as well most people. Yeah,
all right, boys, I think we'll leave it there because
there's no game this weekend. There's no quiz. But what
are you going to do with yourself, Steve? With no
game on the weekend. I love by weeks, especially coming
off a win, means I can be happy for two weeks.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
Yeah, I'm just going to sit and watch a whole
lot of football games. But you know, now, this ridiculous
part of me starts.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
Becomes another rantity.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Yeah, I know, this ridiculous part of me starts to
come out because because we had one win, I'm now
thinking we can make the eight. So now I'm watching
every single game thinking.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Have you got that list of things that need to
go our way? Yeah? De pin that to your wall,
haven't you?
Speaker 3 (50:45):
And look if I can, just if I can, just
if you'll just taking on for a minute. Now, I've
got to go and hope that the Roosters beat the Dolphins.
And I've never hoped that the Roosters beat anyone ever,
So I'm I'm not sure how I'm going to do that.
That's how I'm going to spin my weekend.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
I cansole this for you, Steve, We're not making the
You know what, what.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
If the Dolphins had lost on the weekend and those
three teams are all on nine wins with our run home,
the ninth place dream is alive, Steve. The ninth place
dream is alive.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
And he's been riding us all the way to the
Wooden Spoon all season. He's just looking he's looking right up.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
I'll say it now. We will not get the Wooden Spoon.
So first time I could confirm it this year, Steve,
I've been I've been like you, but i've been watching
all the bottom teams all year.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
As you know, that's really good. And he just said
that's a real risk of taking it. It's like that
bloke who said we couldn't take the game home. The
guy's on the forum the other night that we couldn't run,
couldn't get fat the game home.
Speaker 4 (51:51):
Mate.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
We were leaving twenty eight to eight with sixty seconds
to go. I think we're taking the game home, but.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
I'm you know, it's scarred supporters. That was the same
as I'm sure many Tigers fans Gary. When we scored
the last try twenty six eight, I'm thinking, please kick
the goal, do we otherwise they could come back and
beat us.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
Yeah, Jordan was sitting behind me and said the exact
same thing.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
So all right, boys, Well it's been a joyous podcast tonight.
We hope to be back Sunday night. Joel will be back.
But good to have a weekend off and nice to
celebrate a win. So thank you boys, excus guys, thanks boys.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
Enjoying the game
Has anyone seen Locky Galvin? Has anyone seen Phil Gold?
Has anyone seen James Graham? Has anyone seen Cameron Seraldo?
Has anyone seen Jason Taylor? Has anyone seen Locky Galvin?
Has anyone seen Phil Gold? Has anyone seen Bulldogs' Instagram?
Has anyone seen the kennel? Has anyone seen Phil Gold?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Ha?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Has anyone seen Locky Galvin? Steven Gary, Welcome to West
Tiger's Podcast. Four hundred and twenty four.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Holy smokes, but a start. That's amazing. That was totally unrehearsed.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Well done. Yeah, I think we should just cut upon
there and we just released that.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Now I'll explain that no one will understand that. But
I follow Talk sport over in the UK and their
late night show This is at Night show. They do
that to wind up in opposition, and I thought, what
better way boys going into a bye week, a little
bit of lighthearted banter, get one over the enemy, Gary,
I mean, Sunday night we did the collab podcast and
(01:15):
Rob told me to behave I mean, of all people
to tell me to behave, So I've saved it for
Wednesday night.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
This well, and I had to listen to the West
Tigers podcast, and I can tell you Steve Stretton didn't
behave when he got on on Monday night when he
started talking about lockey Galvin, he gave him a right Royals,
which I quite enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I may of us or aty spilled my beans. I
didn't know this was coming, Steve.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I was standing and applauding when I got to that point,
because it was very he might notice is a very
different level of maturity and humility in hosts compared to
Monday night to tonight. But I was standing and applauding
with your Galvin rant, and I thought, in all seriousness,
it was a very very strong podcast for your voice.
But I was happy that you ripped in with about
(02:03):
eight minutes to go. Well, you know, any opportunities do and.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
He deserved it right And it could have gone the
other way go and could have played the house down
and would all be sulking because of that. But he didn't, Steve, No,
he didn't, and he didn't want to. He didn't want
to go near the football. You know, not only not
only was he absent, he actually dogged it in that
whole game, and I exemplified it in that last part.
(02:30):
But I'm really glad he dogged it, as I kept
telling the bench over and over and over again that
maybe they should put Toby Sexton on.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
The key part of it for me, Steve, and you
mentioned it on Sunday night, is his lack of engagement
of the line.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Now.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
A strength of his game while he was playing for
US was his running game, and he's playing through contact,
and he's ball playing through contact and kicking close to
the line. All that disappeared on the weekend. And to
be fair, it has disappeared a little bit for a
couple of weeks since he went to the Dogs. But
I thought we would have seen a guy that engaged
(03:08):
the line a little bit more than we did see
on Sunday night. And maybe it's the broken hand or
the injured wrists or the injured ankle, but made he
didn't go anywhere near our defensive line on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah, And I honestly think it was the the at
the game, the guy doing the camera work at the game,
like focusing on him before kickoff like that was obviously
done on purpose, because they went to him about five
times before actual kickoff started. Once they get out in
the field, and you know, as we all saw, the
crowd were booing and carrying on and he was rattled.
(03:44):
He was absolutely rattled. Then for the first twenty minutes
Louill was brilliant. Louis. I just kept feeding the ball
to Samuela who just charged at him time and time
and time again. And he was off his game. He
didn't want to know about it.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
So the crowd was doing it.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Wasn't just Rache who happened to end up in the
in the Daily Telegraph on Monday doing Lucky Gavin.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
It was the whole crowd, not just Range.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
But she made a good fist of it. Let me
tell you I will sit next to her.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Alrighty boys, a little bit of a different midweek podcast.
There's no Quick Steve, so you'll be this very disappointed
about that, mortified, and no game to preview, but we
will jump around a little bit all over the place.
Probably wouldn't have done a podcast Wednesday night if we
didn't beat the Bulldogs Gary. But I'm in a good
mood this week, as you might have noticed, so.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Mate, this has been one of the best weeks of
my year. Just woke up on Monday happy, woke up
on Tuesday, Happy, woke up today happy, and then I
found out I was doing a probly few guys and
the depression hit.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Then you had to tell Happy to get out of
your bed.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well, banter and drama at the game, and you guys
touched on it maybe a little bit on Monday night,
Steve with Joel and Nick, Me and Gary did touch
on it Sunday because we didn't really know anything about it.
But the Tigers last Try celebration. It's obviously been all
over the media clickbait the last couple of days, but
(05:12):
he's a talking point, official warnings for the two final
brothers and a fine for Brent Naden. Gary, was that
a fair result?
Speaker 4 (05:24):
It's hard to really know.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I'm not of Arabic descent, if you've ever seen me
on as white and pale skin as they come. But
so I'm not going to tell people what they should
be offended by when I don't know anything about the sign.
So it is a hard one for me to sit
here and kind of judge people who are offended by it.
(05:51):
But everyone I've spoken to who is from that culture
doesn't really have too much of an issue with the sign,
will admit most of them the Tiger supporters, so they
may be a little bit biased in that regard, but
that there's a really Gervaise saying that I always go
back to. Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right.
(06:13):
And look, I don't know enough about the sign itself
to really have much of a say, but if the
reports of it being a little bit of an up
yours and that sort of stuff is true, then I
don't have too much of a.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Problem with it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Well. I have been practicing the sign at home all week.
It's a little bit difficult to execute. My ring finger
doesn't quite go where it's meant to. But anyway, but Steve,
I mean even the mainstream has been a little bit
all over the shot with it. And you listen to
guys like I listened to braithon Asta and he'd obviously
have a lot of Lebanese friends. And even when I
went to school, I had lots of Lebanese friends. I
know it was a different era, but they're quite playful
(06:51):
and lighthearted and they are in your face. But I
think the NRL actually used good discretion here. Thought usually
you know the Panthers trainer, it was things blow up
and they react to that I think this time they
actually came to the right decision.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, I would agree with that. I think a warning
to the players on field was a correct reaction from
the NRL. I thought Naden need to be treated a
little bit differently, Like apparently it was a private post
and then from that it became public. But he needs
to know better than that, right, he needs to know
(07:28):
what can happen, that anything you put up there can
end up out in the public sphere as it did, right,
So yeah, he does need to be But I suppose
I've got a slightly different take on it, and that's
from the club perspective. And you probably know what I'm
going to say because I'm a little bit old fashioned
in this regard. You know, I don't like the I
(07:51):
don't like the try celebration stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I just like players, you know, score a try, get
back halfway, do it again, stay disciplined, do it again. Right,
that's my mindset. So I didn't like what Leui did
and what Taruva did with the galv and stuff. I
thought that inflamed already hot situation and made it a
lot worse. I copped a lot of flag flat.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Because I was on your side, Oh you were, you.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Were actually yeah, But most people said to me Louis
was all right, Toruver was over line. I actually thought
they both cross the line. And I think they did
the same like the can every Bankstown supporters are probably
the most passionate, and you could say argument and even aggressive,
but they're supporters, right. Supporters is different to the players
on the field, and I just don't think they should
(08:37):
be doing that sort of stuff. And I think our
club behind closed doors should really be riding the riot
act and saying this is not acceptable. It's not the
standard we've bought, unwanted attention to ourselves. It's not the
look we want. And there'll be a lot of people
probably saying, oh, you've been too serious with it. But
I don't know, what do you guys.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Think, Steve, You and I were sitting at the Paramatta
game at Combank Stadium earlier in the year, our home game,
I can't remember which one it was, whichever it was
these the Monday game, and there there were some West
Tigers fans absolutely giving it to the bench of Paramatter
and the Paramatta players were actually standing up and almost
(09:20):
to the point of calling the supporters down to have
let's say, a heated discussion with them, but it would
have been more than that that got to that level,
and we didn't see any news reports about it. We
didn't see any articles about it. And that was players
getting to the point where they were yelling abuse and
(09:41):
calling players down. And I'm not justifying the behavior. The
behavior from the West Tiger supporters who were shouting the
abuse at the Paramatta players that we heard was was
way out of line, to the point that I actually
contacted the club and put in a complaint about that behavior.
But the Paramatta players on that occasion were actually aggressive
(10:05):
towards fans and we didn't hear a word about it.
So I think there's a little bit of a case
of double standards here.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I know that it was a very visible thing and it.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Was players actually on the field, and it probably got
more media due to that. We didn't hear booth about
Paramatta players getting into verbal arguments with play with fans
in the stands on Easter Monday.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I you know, I don't want to wrap journal, Steve,
but I actually thought there was a good article I
was today yesterday by Michael Chammers, who is of Arabic
descent who sort of played it down, who said and
I even saw I know it's player to player, but
I saw a photo of Jacob Krraz greeting Adam Dewey
in the warm up with the same gesture and laughing,
and they're two Lebanese guys, So I know that's player
(10:54):
to player. And I know inciting the crowd is always
dangerous territory, but I think in the context of West Tigers,
I know it's I get what you're saying, where you know,
you score a try, and I think rather than you know,
walk back to halfway and concentrate, at least celebrate with
your teammates, not celebrate with the crowd. That's what we
try and do in cricket is encouraged you to celebrate
(11:16):
with your teammates, don't go on an individual celebration by yourself.
But in the context of what Canterbury have done to
us and their supporters, like let's remember Cameron Serroudo knocked
us back last year, we had that over line. They've
taken our best young player, Phil Gould is Phil Goold
and the Bulldogs fans would have been antagonizing them for
(11:37):
seventy five minutes. Brent Nadan, Yes, he went over the
line with your Instagram post. I will say those Instagram
posts by Taruvera and Naden go to it's called you know,
it's a green circle Instagram. They go to your close mates.
They're obviously not very close mates because one of them
sending it on to someone who sends it on to
the media. So hopefully they've learned a lesson by that.
But what I'm saying is I reckon. If I scored
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that try, Steve, and I hope I'm never out there,
but if I scored that try, I might have considered
doing the same thing. Because these people are humans, They're emotional,
and I think this will create a really big rivalry
and the NRL be licking their lips about that.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I can't argue with any of that. That's everything you've
said makes perfect sense. And I can't be hypocritically either,
because I was extremely emotional on the weekend and given
it too. But it was lighthearted. It was lighthearted. But
I just think I suppose my only point is this
(12:32):
as a club, as a team, we lack discipline. We
lack discipline on the field. You know, you could say
we lack discipline across the club historically. I just hope
that we respect the need for discipline. I suppose that's
what I'm saying. Yeah, And look, I'm being a party
(12:53):
pooper and I can't argue with you any You make
a lot of sense, but I would just like to
see this be a little bit more discipline, a little
bit more reserved, I suppose.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Okay, Well, I just think look out for those two
games next year because they will. The reason I'm getting
my shots in now is I know they're going to respond. Canby.
They're a strong club with a great fan base, like
a really great fan base, and if they had done
that to us, I wouldn't have gone and complained to
the NFL. If I was a fan, I would have
just said, well, it's there day, good luck to them.
Carry on how you like. But boys, let's stop talking
(13:26):
about that. Let's go to Adam Dewy because he is
beating the news again Gary. He had an outstanding game obviously.
On Sunday, rumors that the Tigers or it was quotes
actually from Shane Rigson on Monday that there is a
two year deal now on the table, and Rich I said,
that's our final offer. There's no deadline on it, but
(13:46):
it'll be up to Adam. Where do you think this
is going to end up?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Well, apparently the Dragons are about one hundred and fifty
thousand more season than we are that they're apparently about
five hundred thousand for each of the two years, and
we're at three.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
For where we stand as a club and what Adam
has shown for us over the last couple of years,
I think that's about the right offer. I'd go to
probably four hundred thousand, but I don't think at this
point in time we're a club that can really go
much higher than that. And I don't want to take
(14:25):
any credit away from what he did on the weekend.
I thought he was fantastic on the weekend, But we
have seen these sort of games from him in the past,
and the consistency in that sort of role has been
the issue for him in the past. To go much
higher than that, I want to see him playing at
that level regularly, and we just haven't seen that from
him yet. And that's to take nothing away from his
(14:47):
last month of football. His last month of football has
been excellent.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
It's tough, Steve, I mean, I sort of changed my
opinion on Adam. Do you every week you know, you know,
every three weeks for the last year, But I know,
like your cricket, so I just use a little cricket analogy,
like he's a really good footballer. And when I say
cricket is a really good cricket is it's not because
they're good at one skill. It's because they're good at
several skills with the fielding, bowling, batting, like Adam Dewey
(15:13):
has proved this year. He can be a decent center,
he could be a decent lock, he can be good
in the halves, he could be good off the bench.
Like to me, the way the game's going, that sort
of a player, maybe it is worth more than three
out and fifty thou a year.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yeah, I think it is. And the one thing you
haven't mentioned there that I think it's hard to put
a value on. But he's a Tiger. He loves the jersey,
he loves the club, and he supports support the team
when he was younger, and there's something in that. You know,
when we've had a season where blokes have said they
don't want to be part of the club and walk
down on us to have a bloke actually wants to
(15:51):
be there and his preference is to stay. Whether he'll
stay for less, I don't know. R There's got to
be some value based on that though, that we're trying
to build something and he does have the sort of
mindset and attitude love for the club and the jersey
that we're looking for. It is a hard one. I'm
(16:12):
probably I'm probably agreeing with both of you. I think
he's worth more than three fifty. Is he worth five hundred?
Speaker 4 (16:18):
No?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Probably not. Would I pay up to five hundred probably close?
Probably close from what I've seen, But more than from
what I've seen. It's the versatility that he's providing now.
That's where his value is, not his last month of
footy or his last game on the weekend. It's that
versatility that he could play thirteen for us, He can
(16:39):
jump in at seven or six if we need it,
and if it's gained specific as I said the other night,
he can play fourteen for us if he's got the
attitude for it. You know, he's a pretty important guy
on the roster actually, when you look at it like that.
If he can maintain his form.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
A couple I think Steve.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
He has now called out Shane Richardson at least once
in regard to his contract negotiations, and for me, that's
not a guy that necessarily shows his love for the
club in the correct manner, like going into press conferences
and saying you'll have to speak to Rito about my
contract and all those sort of comments. I don't think
(17:24):
is a really good look. And at this point, I
think there's a couple of positions he could slide into
in our squad next year, and if he's continuing the
Hars continues, one of those is potentially the number seven jersey.
But at this point he doesn't own any of those spots.
And I'm of the belief that with Appy at the
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point in his career he is, that fourteen needs to
be someone who can play hooker, and I don't think
Adam can do.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
That role for us.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So if he doesn't fit into that thirteen spot, if
he doesn't fit into that seventh spot, and he is
a backup in all of those positions, and I think
would get plenty of games because he can play so
many different positions, and pretty much anytime we have an injury,
he comes into that squad. But I just don't know
where he fits into that squad for next year, and
(18:16):
that's why I'm reluctant to go five hundred thousand or higher,
because I just don't know where he fits at this
point in time.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I think your point on his attitude is a good one.
But we know that about Adam, do you. We know
that's what we're going to get from him, and he
probably comes across a lot more or a lot ruder
than it. It's probably meant to, you know. I dislike
totally those times he said I'm a six and if
I don't get six, I'm not interested.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Right.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
That's that attitude is terrible, But I think that's part
of the whole package with him. I think he believes
in himself and he's got such a strength of character
in going out there to prove himself. He does back
himself and he doesn't shy away from blokes like rich
A lot of people would run away from Richel. He's
a pretty scary sort of dude, right, But I don't
(19:05):
think Adam do He would. And I think a him said, well,
you know, come on, come on, Richard, you show is
what you got type thing that's Adam doing. I'm not
defending him really because I tend to agree with you,
but I don't know. I just said enough throwing to
think he's worth having in our squad. I'd do it
at around I'd i'd pay four fifty. I'd go to
four fifty.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I reckon one hundred percent. I won him here next year.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I think, like a month ago, I would have been
happy with that one year deal at around the three
hundred and fifty thousand. At that point, a lot of
people were ready for it to just let him go.
I'm actually quite happy they have extended that to a
year based on the form that he has shown over
the last month. But there has to be that kind
of limit somewhere, and I think if he can get,
(19:52):
especially a half spot at five hundred thousand at the Dragons,
I think that's a very hard offer to kind of match.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
But they're not offered him a half spot. That's the
sticking point. They've told him.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
He'll be actually spot here.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
No, he potentially has a half spot here, but it's
a little bit less money, So I guess there's a
decision there for him to make.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
In fairness to the Tigers and rich O Steve, like
I'm just looking at it. Adam Dohoe has been with
the club since twenty twenty, so this is his sixth season. Now,
he's played eighty three games, and my rough math says
total amount of games in six years is about one
hundred and fifty, so he's played just over fifty percent
of the games. Obviously it's not his fault he's getting injured,
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but the club has to look at things like that.
If you've had three acls and you're only twenty six
years of age, the chances of doing another one again,
i'd say, are still relatively high.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah, well I heard. I don't know how correct this is.
I just heard in conversation that when he went to
the dragons before he fell, I mean that they did
with him, you know. So there is that, and the
club's got away and we don't know that that sort
of stuff where any where any speculating.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Right, It's interesting. I'll just jump in stee was interesting.
I was listening to Phil Goold's podcast tonight and I
mean he was looked like he's swallowed a wasp. But anyway,
he was talking about Adam Dewey and he actually sort
of let slip that Adam Dewey had emailed the Bulldogs
a few years ago offering his services because obviously he
was his own manager, and he said he was offering
himself for a lot more than he is now, and
(21:25):
he said that the Bulldog's actually got mail that he
was very susceptible to an ACL. Then, I mean, he
could just be talking crap field good, but he was
basically saying we thought he was going to get injured.
He did then go on to do his ACL. So
it's like, you wonder what sort of background information there
is from clubs out there, because it's not like there's
(21:46):
seven or eight clubs sort of in the mixed bidding
against each other.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
At the moment.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
It's probably a slightly desperate sir George, and that's that's.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Going to impact, you know, the negotiations. Maybe the club's
got that in the back of their mind. Maybe they're
proving to for me, maybe it's just maybe three fifty
is a smart He's a smart move by the club.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
And if you have a look at his form on
the weekend and most of his form over the last month,
if he was playing at that level consistently, he's that
level player of the money he was asking three or
four years ago, which is the eight hundred thousand dollars plus.
That's if he was playing how he played on Sunday
regularly and showing that every week, that's what he.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
Would be worth. And there he's contractor.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Before the one of the Acel injuries was around that mark,
he was up around that seven hundred eight hundred thousand.
So he does have the potential to be that sort
of player. He just hasn't shown it enough for me.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
There's an argument Steve, and I don't necessarily agree with it,
but I'm going to make an argument that he could
be out. He's our player of the year. I know
the obvious pick is Terrell May and Taruver's been great
and Buller's been great, but I'm just looking through the games.
I don't think we beat Cronulla if we don't have
Adam Dewey. Obviously he kicked that penalty goal in overtime.
(23:15):
I don't think we beat the Roosters without Adam Dewey,
who was a late inclusion to the halfs had a
blinder that day. We certainly don't beat the Titans without
Adam doing kicks a field goal with ten seconds to go,
and maybe we would have beat the Dogs without him,
but he was the best player by the length of
the strait. So that's four games where I'd argue we've
only won eight that he has been the difference in
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those games.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I think we were all really concerned about Adam deeing
and will come in at the beginning of this season. Defensively,
he's shown a real lack of application and desire to
get his shoulder in there and you know, defend consistently. Well,
he's turned that around this year. He's attacking. He showed
(24:00):
like like in the wet picking up that loose ball
and all those two runs right to get away. He
showed some great speed. So you know, I don't know
what he's done. He's been working on his game, got
himself super fit. Not sure what it is. Maybe it's
a bit of mindset as well, but he has had
a different different attitude and application this year and it's
shown he's he's been a very good foot bar and yeah,
(24:22):
just listening to you rattle those off, I think you're
pretty close to being right. You know, like he's had
a lot of impact for us. And at the end
of the day, we've said we've said that we tend
to lack a bit of impact, and he's a guy
who has provided it.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Talking about his speed, Eddie's a gamble.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
He'll know some horses are just mud runners, and I
think he may just be a little bit of a
mud runner because his pace was reasonable on the weekend.
But talking about that change of application in defense, I
think the biggest thing that highlights that for me, Steve
is the Gold Coasts, not the Gold Coast the Bulldogs
last try on the weekend, his effort to get him
(25:01):
back there and almost saved that try.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
I don't think we see that from him last year
or the year before.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
He's never really been that player that really chases down
a ball like that or chases a guy that's made
a break. And that's the big change in what I've
seen in him this season is that that application to
effort plays. It's always been the effort plays that I've
had concerns about before this season, and credit where credits due,
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he has improved that massively this season.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
And something else from the weekend to a nick point
of this out on Sunday night when I'm not going
to listen, then well steal it. This is actually a
good one.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Monday night.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
He's he mentioned the team getting into a huddle before
they went off at halftime and Dey was commanding the conversation.
And it's not the fact that he spoke, it's the
fact that Luai and Appy let him speak. If I
didn't respect him, that have had just jumped in and
talked over him. Right, that's the way it works. If
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you don't respect the bloke the if the other team
members again aren't going to listen to the guy, they're
not going to let him talk, but they let him
have you say, and so it shows that the team
that that's seventeen really respect him, and that's a positive
as well.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
It wasn't just that either though, Steve.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
After the game he was getting his pitches taken with
Loui and Taruva, and Louie and Taruva were actually praying
in the center of the field and Adam Dewey joined
them in that as well, just the three of them.
And that there's been a little bit of a narrative
around the club in certain parts about a little bit
of a concern around the pacifica kind of click that
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may be forming in the club having a look at
Adam Dewey on the weekend. He didn't look to be
on the outside of any click at our club.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I saw Josh Reynolds quote Steve Sorry, it was justin
Horro's quotes, and he was talking about Josh Reynolds because
they do a show together, a podcast, and they were
talking about Adam Dewey and Josh Reynolds basically said, there's
no way Adam do He will want to be a
lock full time. So I think if that's Saint George's plan,
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I think he still might stay at the Tigers because
I think he'll look at this last month and I
reckon he won't make a decision till the end of
the year because it's clear he's playing for a contract
and he's adding value to his contract every week. The
way he's going, he's playing really desperately and he's playing
good football. But he'll be looking at the next four
weeks and going no reason if we can't keep winning,
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you know, four out of the last five and I
started half back, that my dollars might go up a
bit more and I could potentially be the halfback of
it the Tigers or the Dragons.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yeah, as long as he's prepared to accept the fact
that la ju Fann who could shoot the lights out
and then take the spot which puts him to thirteen.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I just shouldn't like that from the bench.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Well it is, but you know, he's he's shown that
he's got it and I think has a lot of
respect for him and is bringing him along at the
pace of Benji thinks correct. So you know, I think
there's a potential that he would get frustrated at the Dragons,
but I'm saying I think there's potential that he could
be frustrated for the same reasons here, but you know,
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he'd probably get a better shot out of here. I
don't know Flannigan's going to let let his son out
at number seven.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I think there'll be a decision in the next month. Gary.
I think it might just slide on to the end
of the season.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, I think if he got the offer he wants
from us, I think he probably decide fairly quickly.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
So I think, as he has said, that ball's probably
in Shane Richardson's court a little bit. And I agree
with you.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Like everything we've heard from him, I don't see him
going to the Dragons to play thirteen if he can.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Get something else.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
So I think what happens next really depends on what
we do as a CLI. If he gets a slight
increase on that offer, that may be enough for him
to sign straight up. I think it's a little bit
of a wait and see and comes down ultimately to
what Jane Richardson decides to.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Do this World Series Rugby or whatever it is. Steve
it could be to fly in the ointman, I've been
reading a bit about it. It seems quite mysterious. But
anything backed by the Saudi Investment Fund or whatever they are,
they bankroll anything.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, there'll be some dollars in it. And there's also
one team coming in and then another team coming in,
then another team coming in. So there's not going to
be any shortage of offers out there for decent NRL
players over the next couple of years, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
All right, boys, it's moved from Madam. Do we talk
it a little bit of recruitment? Gary. There was some
news dropping today. I think it's actually confirmed on the
West Tiger's instagram that Maverick Guy, a son of Mark Guy,
has signed for the club for one year is it
or two?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
It's a one year deal. I believe, so, yeah, just
for next year. Apparently he wasn't off at a contract
at all from Penriff and his moving across to the
West Tigers next year. He's always been a player I
thought had a little bit of potential. He's still quite young,
so depending on the contract, as long as it's the
right contract, I'm not too disappointed with it. You and
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I did have a conversation earlier about that players, but
I think he's he's a player that will possibly provide
some for the club and mostly spend his time in
him playing for the Magpies.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I think he debuted about the year ago. Just remember
him having that huge contingent of mates out. It might
have been Alliards or something Steve, but still pieces of
the jigsaw you'd like to think with recruitment to come.
We know, you know November December when crickets playing, there's
things can drop out of the tree to real May
did last year. So probably got to keep something up
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his sleeve for that because Sarry cap squeeze can happen
at some clubs.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
We need someone to drop out of the tree that's
going to make a huge thump, right, We need to
have big that elite, elite middle player to sign with
the club. I don't know where he's going to come from,
but year we need him. Yeah, the Maverick guy one.
I think it's a good signing. Our back row is
still going to be untested next year. I think Samuel
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Fine who is showing that he's got the goods to
be good in the second rower. I don't know about
Pierce Paul yet. I've seen a couple of good games
from him. Newcastle will just be let's see how he goes.
But to have a back up there with Mattick Guy,
I saw him playing earlier in the year and he
looked looked okay without looking overly damaging. Especially another guy
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coming as well, isn't that.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah guy from the from the Roosters as well. But
the thing with Guy is I think he's an upgrade
on guys we have in the top thirty at the moment.
Like so, I'd much rather have someone like Maverick Guyer
playing in our lower grades than Brendan Turmouth.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Okay, yeah, there was a post. I don't know, that
might just be Facebook post says the West Tigers have
taken advantage of the back row squeeze at the Roosters
by landing one of the club's most promising forwards understood.
Twenty year old Ethan Roberts has agreed to a two
year deal with the Tigers from next season, where he
will join the club alongside Penrith Backbrow at Maverick Guyer.
So again a player that maybe Decan or some of
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the guys that watched the lowel grades regularly might know
a little bit about. But Gary we it seems like
it's still like even I read something about, you know,
Charlie Murray, we re signed him. I know, I don't
think it was a top thirty contract, but I read
something online that the Tigers are shopping him around, you know,
the three weeks after they signed him. I get the
same feeling with Tristan Hope. We signed him and I'm
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thinking should we have done that?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, I was a bit perplexed by both those signings
at the time. But Charlie Murray's manager has come out
in the last twenty four hours and said it's not
true that the Tigers aren't shopping him around. So I
don't really know what's going on there. I could see
a situation where he's on a development contract next year,
and if one of the Super League clubs came in
and offered him a good contract, then I could see
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why the Tigers may say let him go for a
better opportunity, even despite having signed him like weeks ago.
But like, I'm not too fussed either way. If he's
here on a development contract, I'm okay with that. He's
a fairly old player to really be using one of
your development spots on. But if they were release him
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to go playoffse where, I don't really have too much
of an issue with that or either because I don't
if he's seeing a lot of first grade next year,
then we're in trouble. The thing I do like about
Guy and the other other rumored signing is second row.
Despite us bringing in Kay Piers Paul, is still an
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area where we lack depth. It's an area where as
soon as we get an injury, we're in trouble. So
bring and a couple other guys to kind of improve
that area. That was I think is a pretty smart idea.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Well, Steve, I've been in the lab, I've been doing
my homework and I've just gone through the West Tyers
players off contract at the end of twenty twenty five
and twenty twenty six. We'll start with the twenty twenty
five ones. Just give me a simple yes or no,
or I'll give you one fifty to fifty if you're
on the fence whether you would resign these players? Adam
do you yes? Josh Feldy no? Justin Madame Moua no.
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Brent Naden fifty leaning towards now my new favorite player
Brenton Charlie stains.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
How happy were you when he was named on the weekend?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I was horrified, But after his celebration against the Bulldogs,
I just find the fact that Brent Naden like he's
a trial Steve and I'm a troll. So that's why
I like him, because he has been in reserve grade
and he managed to antagonize an entire fan base. So
well done, Brandon Naden. Even though I don't think you
should be playing for West Tigers next year, Charlie, but.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Anyway, we are happy with what he produced on the
field on the weekend.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Did he did fine? He did fine much. I think
the job. I think the swimming pool conditions probably help
him on the dry track against Manly with Kohler in
the centers, I'd be horrified, like what he could do
to Brent Naden, but he didn't let us down on
the weekend. No doubt he's got ability, but he's just
never like you said Monday Night, Steve, he's never been
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consistent throughout his career and some of his off field
antics has been part of the reason. I'm sure. Charlie
Staines No, Brandon Tuomoth Nope. All right, Gary, these are
the guys off contract at the end of twenty twenty six,
and I want you to say if you know, I
say you get to November this year, where they'd be
free to negotiate whether you would extend them, whether fifty
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to fifty or whether you put him through the shredder now,
Jack Burt, No, so you only find it one hundred percent?
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yes, extension, Yeah, I'd extend him tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Tristan Hope, No, Kitler Lily.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
That that's a hard one.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I'm at this point I'm leaning to know because I
don't think he's shown quite enough.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
All right, I'll stay with you Gary for the rest
of them, and Steve, you can jump into the end
if you disagree with Gary on any of them. Lukely, Yes,
I'd keep him Heith Mason, No.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Solomon Suduku No, despite him being on my trivia team
at A what started this function?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I don't even know who that is. He's not in
on top thirty, is he?
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
He is.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
He has been for a couple of years. Wow, he
was a development player a couple of years ago. I
think he's now in the top thirty.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Steve smiling, it's good.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Good premp.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Uh Girass Skelfon, Yes, Toney Suka no.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Oh. I think he does have potential staff of tower.
That's a.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I will say yes now, but I'd like to see
him play a little bit more before the end of
the year to see whether those defensive issues are going
to kind of continue and whether he's lack of pogency
in attack the last few weeks will improve.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
So yes, I would, But yeah, I'm a little bit
nervous about it. Steve.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Any issues with what Gary said that, No, no issues
with that at all. But I do want to just
mention Tristan Hope and bring it up again. I just
don't get it, Hope. I just cannot see the reason
and I just I just wrote down here as you
guys were talking the impact of Bloke like Jacob Little
and Billy Walters have both both those guys have for
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their prospective teams.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
At the moment, it took us a big spot.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah, when they come on and play that twenty five
minutes or either side of halfway, or how however they
choose to do it, Like Billy Waters plays less than
half a game, and I would argue that could pick
up Man of the match half the time he goes
out there. The impact that guy has when he goes
out there for the Broncos, and I just don't understand.
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I know we don't know everything, but we've let go
a bloke who said he wanted to stay, had that
sort of impact but wanted to start. I get that
for a guy that to me is filling at absolute best.
I'm really concerned about that for next year.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah, I don't want appy.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
I think we've spoken about it a lot over the
last couple of years, and I think we're saying it
last year. We don't really want happy playing eighty minutes
a game. I think there's some weeks where you're needing to.
I think there's certain games you go into you want
to have us lightly different bench rotation and.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Miss one Gary was perfect big game leading.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Road yep, you and you playing a pack like the Dogs.
You want that extra forward there. So there's certain weeks
where you're playing eighty minutes, but there's some weeks where
you don't. Like there's a lot of weeks. You don't
want to be playing him eighty minutes. You want to
be playing him sixty minutes.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
And all Hope really provides you is a body to
give Happy arrest. That's it.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I want someone who can come on and have some impact.
And I watched that Pendriff game Steve and I went
out to it. No, Steve wasn't there. I went out
to the Pendriff game at Combank, and Happy, just before
he came off, was getting really tired and starting to
fall off tackles and he needed a break.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
The problem was we put Hope on and he was
falling off more.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Tackles than Appy was when he was dead tired after
playing a really high impact game where he actually he
played his heart out for sixty minutes. The guy that
came on to replace him was playing worse. And I
don't want to lose something when Appy goes off. I
know we're not going to have a Happy on the field.
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But someone with a bit of speed around the rack,
someone can provide some point of difference other than just being.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
A warm body. So appy can go sit on the
bench for twenty minutes. I think we need more than that.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
My last little bit of research I did, Steve just
for you tonight. I went through the twenty twenty five
off contract and it's slim pickings. But I'm going to
give you three answers. You can say none, you can
say slight, or you can say yes. Say if you
have any interest in some of these players. Might not
have hurt of some of them, but anyway, Felice.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Cafusi, Felice Cafusi, slight.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
From the Knights, Adam Elliott and Tyson Frazzell.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Adam Elliott, Yes, Tyson Frazzell. David Klemmeruh, Gary.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
That would be a West Tigers move, though, wouldn't it
Release in one year and signing.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
I think the UK is calling mister Clemo, even though
he's had a very good career. Gary, Mark Nichols and
the Dolphins. No Takiaho from Manly. I know he's old,
but he's been playing all right for them upfront. Yeah,
I'd consider it for one year, and I can't read
the writing of the last one, So we're not going
to bother with that. But boys like you said, Steve,
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I think maybe the strategy, I don't know if it's
a wise strategy that came off last year. Maybe the
strategy is to wait and see. Because do you still
think we are two middle short of being potential top
eight side next year?
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
I think we're too two dynamic forwards short. And you
could say two middles, you could still say one middle,
one edge player. You know, I'm just throwing this name
out of the first one say, but I kick out
for example, the impact that guy has on a football game.
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You know, I'd just go there. We've got to have
tons of money, I'd.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Go there's rumors about him a little bit that he
could be one of them that gets squeezed out.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
Well, mate, if that was the case, I would be
onto him so quickly. Wouldn't be funny. We've got to
have a war chest of money somewhere, right because we
haven't spent it yet, and I'd be finding I'd be
fining anyone I could that might be semi interested in
coming to this club and throwing a ton of money
at them and absolutely the middle, and I'd be happy
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to say two middles, or if not two middles and
one middle and an edge back rower that was going
to be dynamic.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
That that's the thing, the one thing that gives me
a little bit of hope moving into the off season,
the recruitment, because I think we've been pretty good at
picking up players who have fallen out of clubs in
the past twelve months, mainly the two Mays, but I
think we've done a very good job when when a
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guy in an area of need has come loose at
the club, we've got him across and I think we've
done well using Drome Lui in that situation. And once
Terrell was here, we use Terrell to get his brother here.
And I know those were probably beneficial circumstances for us,
but that's what those circumstances are.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
When a guy falls out of.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
A club, and I'm hopeful that we can kind of
pick up someone that the right person falls out of
a club and we can pick them up for next season. Hopefully,
as they said, a nice big front row who can
play some decent minutes but cause some impact through the
middle of the field.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Taylor May Steve, it's a tricky one. I watched his
podcast today with his brother, quite an intense podcast if
you get to watch it in the next couple of weeks.
But that's a bit of a tricky one for the
club because he could now you know, the Tigers have
taken the head and give him a training trial and
he's proved that he's clearly a very good RL player.
So there could be seven or eight clubs in for him.
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You know, we might get a little bit of a
brother discount, but we might not. Is there Do you
have a figure on what we should offer May and
how many years or it's hard to know.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Yeah, I think clubs are going to come after him
for sure. I don't think he's a huge risk to leave.
I think he's I think he's pretty cemented to Benji
and the opportunity that Benji has given him. He said, yeah,
I had listened to it as well. He loves playing
with his brother and they mentioned that they'd love to
get the third brother from from the UK across as well.
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So I think he's pretty glued into the club as
far as how much and for how long a couple
of year contract offer him. I don't know what are
your players center like a dynamic center of him? Is
he is he out around the five hundred thousand mark.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
I'm guessing. I don't know what they're worth. He you know,
i'd pay him good money because he's he's going to
be an impactful player for us. The thing with that
that worries me and listening to that podcast is I
don't I just don't know how rock solid he's going
to be. You know, it wouldn't surprise me to see
him go off the rails pretty easily, right.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
He mentioned how he mentioned just how sore his body was,
which was interesting, Like I think Gary and a couple
have said, you know, with surprised he got the first
grade so early, but having been out of contact for
so long, and I think he's probably I know it
was really difficult conditions Gary for any outside backs on
the weekend, but I think he's probably the last couple
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of weeks it might have just hit him a little
bit that it's this has all come pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, maybe he played a game and a half of
reserve grade. So he played a game and a half
in about two years before he made his deboo.
Speaker 4 (45:54):
For us, So.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I would expect him to be sore, because it doesn't
matter how hard you train off the field, the physical
toll your body goes through on the field is completely
different to anything you can replicate at home by yourself,
and he was at home by himself. So yeah, I
don't think that side of it's surprising, but I think
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Steve is exactly right. No matter what way you paint it,
it's still not a risk free signing, So I think
there's got to be a little bit of probably a
discount with that kind of in mind that you are
still taking a risk on this guy. He's not that
far out of the troubles he had in the past,
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and I think he's making a really strong goal of
turning them around. And I've seen bits and pieces of
that podcast, and I was I like how open and
honest he was about his issues, and the first thing
you have to do to kind of get past those issues.
And you don't have to be open and honest on
a pod like he was, but being open and honest
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with yourself about where you are as a person and
where you are in life is really crucial, and he
seems to have that, so hopefully he can make a
fist of this opportunity because another big stuff up, he
probably doesn't get another opportunity.
Speaker 4 (47:15):
So I thinker's crossed for him.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Yeah, i'd echo those remarks, the fingers crossed for the guy,
because he does come across as a really likable guy
who wants to get his act together. The opposite could
be true as well, you know, like this could be
the best thing that's ever happened for him, you know,
like to be playing with his brother, and it's obvious,
it's obvious that there's a strong bond there, to be
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playing for a coach that he respects, to be in
amongst a group of mates that he really gets on
with and feels a part of. He says every day
is a challenge for him, that every getting up and
being happy and content is a challenge. So maybe the
West Tigers is that safe place for him. Maybe the
West Tigers is exactly what needs and I really hope
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it is. I'd love to see it, you know, obviously
for the club's perspective, i'd love to see it, but
you know, just listening to him, I'd love to see
it for him too.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yeah, I think that's crucial for him. Steve, he may
not get the support that he has at the West
Tigers at another club. The leaders of our team, Like
he's got his brother there who's known him all his life.
But the other leaders in our team, guys like Happy,
Jerome Law, these are all guys that have known him
for a long time, so that they're all from that
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Mount Druid area. They all came through together. Not necessarily
he's a little bit younger than those guys, but his
older brothers played played with those guys as well, so
he's been around those guys for a long time. And
I don't know that he gets that support at another
club from that long term kind of base that he
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has with them. So I think this is probably the
best place for him to be to get that opportunity
to make those improvements that he's trying to make in
his life.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
It was an interesting contrast because a lot of those
Penrith boys, Gary are you know, they're pretty loud and brash,
and like Jerome and Happy and Taruva and even Terrell,
his older brother, is a pretty you know, like he
will tell you what he thinks, where if Taylor struck me.
He's very introverted, quite shy.
Speaker 4 (49:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I think I've mentioned before, like I used to teaching
them out through an area. I've had interactions with the
family for a long time and he always came across
as a little bit quieter than the other two boys.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
So yeah, I just think the interesting point out of that,
Gary is that you know, they've they've they're both now
going to church regularly and they've sought solace and a
whole lot of different areas. And it's taken them years
and years and years obviously to get over the influence
that you had on them at an early age.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Mate.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Yeah, that's exactly what it is. One of them had
to move to England to get away from it.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
I've been going to church lately, Steve, as well most people. Yeah,
all right, boys, I think we'll leave it there because
there's no game this weekend. There's no quiz. But what
are you going to do with yourself, Steve? With no
game on the weekend. I love by weeks, especially coming
off a win, means I can be happy for two weeks.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
Yeah, I'm just going to sit and watch a whole
lot of football games. But you know, now, this ridiculous
part of me starts.
Speaker 4 (50:28):
Becomes another rantity.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Yeah, I know, this ridiculous part of me starts to
come out because because we had one win, I'm now
thinking we can make the eight. So now I'm watching
every single game thinking.
Speaker 4 (50:39):
Have you got that list of things that need to
go our way? Yeah? De pin that to your wall,
haven't you?
Speaker 3 (50:45):
And look if I can, just if I can, just
if you'll just taking on for a minute. Now, I've
got to go and hope that the Roosters beat the Dolphins.
And I've never hoped that the Roosters beat anyone ever,
So I'm I'm not sure how I'm going to do that.
That's how I'm going to spin my weekend.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
I cansole this for you, Steve, We're not making the
You know what, what.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
If the Dolphins had lost on the weekend and those
three teams are all on nine wins with our run home,
the ninth place dream is alive, Steve. The ninth place
dream is alive.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
And he's been riding us all the way to the
Wooden Spoon all season. He's just looking he's looking right up.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
I'll say it now. We will not get the Wooden Spoon.
So first time I could confirm it this year, Steve,
I've been I've been like you, but i've been watching
all the bottom teams all year.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
As you know, that's really good. And he just said
that's a real risk of taking it. It's like that
bloke who said we couldn't take the game home. The
guy's on the forum the other night that we couldn't run,
couldn't get fat the game home.
Speaker 4 (51:51):
Mate.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
We were leaving twenty eight to eight with sixty seconds
to go. I think we're taking the game home, but.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
I'm you know, it's scarred supporters. That was the same
as I'm sure many Tigers fans Gary. When we scored
the last try twenty six eight, I'm thinking, please kick
the goal, do we otherwise they could come back and
beat us.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
Yeah, Jordan was sitting behind me and said the exact
same thing.
Speaker 1 (52:11):
So all right, boys, Well it's been a joyous podcast tonight.
We hope to be back Sunday night. Joel will be back.
But good to have a weekend off and nice to
celebrate a win. So thank you boys, excus guys, thanks boys.
Speaker 3 (53:16):
Enjoying the game
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