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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What to do when it becomes too late for humans
to correct their behavior? Author researcher, professor, and climate change
expert David Hawk says such a question implies a need
for change, and herein an argument is presented that humans
believe in their own immortality, but a price is paid
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for support of that belief. Humans protect themselves from change
via culture, and it's implied changelessness. As summers bring intolerable
heat that increases and storms that eliminate insurance companies, humans
began to think of change. Please welcome the host of
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what to do when it becomes too late? David Hawk.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
And my friends nice to see or at least visualize
mentally that you're sitting there, standing there, or watching TV
as your turn your back on this, which all of
it is fine. We have a number of things to
cover tonight, to sort of catch up with some items
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that have taken place during the two week recess we
had so and then based on some emails and comments
I've gotten from some of you, I've tried to go
back and pick up a few pieces relative to what
I'm talking about, and sort of a favorite question is
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who are you? So I'll try to explain a little
more of who at least some people think I am,
although I'm not quite sure what it all means. But nonetheless,
I'll take you through a few images. Let's start off
with the first one. Now, this is a becoming a
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rather famous book, well known in a number of circles
for a number of reasons, and so I'm going to
talk about this a bit tonight. This is the book
that people don't talk about its title, but they talk
a lot about it, and I get many phone calls,
many offers and whatever, which I'll take you into some
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of it. I have mentioned this book before, but a
little bit quietly because well later i'll explain it's the
finger that does it. It's not the title. So the
finger really bothers some people. Next image place, Now, if
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we step back a little bit to where we somehow
started this, and if you recall we have this too early,
too late. Now, what book which I'd mentioned many weeks ago,
in fact, several months ago. It was originally written in
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nineteen seventy nine, I'm sorry. Her first edition was published
in nineteen seventy nine by the Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania.
Has the dissertation writing for the degree me that I'm I.
If you ever looked me up on LinkedIn, you'll notice
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that I try not to use the doctor thing relative
to my name. And as I pointed out to a
number of people, don't call me doctor, I have no patience.
And then sometimes they come back and say, how do
you spell patients? And I said, well, you know, there's
a couple of ways, use both. Then we move on anyway.
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This is supposedly the basis for the PhD back in
seventy nine, based on working with twenty companies and six
governments to initially deal with the role of business and
bringing about climate change, so consequences externalities of business. Indeed,
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we're generating a lot of pollution and a lot of
places on the globe. And then during that seventy five
to seventy seven project, I was taught a great deal
about climate change and in essence, if we didn't stop
what we were doing, we would indeed produce climate change
for the planet. So this is sort of the landmark
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book behind that. And as I mentioned before, this is
the one that the Vice President had put in the
Library of Congress as a book on climate change. Next
image please, and of course all of this seems to
get quite a bit of recognition. So over the last
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five to seven years, quite a number of things have
been published about these books. I write, the research, I do,
the advice I give to a number of companies, the
way I deal with universities and schools. And keep in
mind that I was a professor three major schools, then
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a visiting professor at quite a few others. And I'm
somewhat proud on my resume that three university presidents in
person fired me for what I was teaching and what
I'm doing the climate change topic. They didn't believe in it,
they didn't want to hear about it, they didn't want
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students exposed to it. And I took that as a plus.
Thus I put it on my resume, even some of
their comments. Okay, then this is a publication by the
Better Business, by the Who's Who magazine people, where they
somehow put me on the cover and did a major
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story about shall we say, the controversies in my life
and they somehow found them interesting. This was a few
years ago. Next image, and then based on that book
being considered a bit too shall we say pessimistic, New
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York Times, together with writers Branding felt I should, in
essence rephrase the truth and the previous It's too Late
book and put it in another form and rewrite it
in a way that wasn't so pessimistic. Thus you see
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this book human nature and the potential in nurture, and
so in essence this is considered much more optimistic, which
at least I tried it to be. But York Times
Publications was a heavy supporter of me doing this because
they felt more people would then read the message on
climate change. And this again was some years ago. Next
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image please, And then of course we began to drift
towards something even less optimistic than too Early, Too Late,
now into this metaphor if humans are fucked. And I've
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talked about the story behind that before, but in essence,
that was brought about by a number of publishers who
argued over one of the words in the title, and
so without mentioning the word, they would come to me
with letters phone calls asking me to please eliminate one
of the words in the title, and as I hope
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I mentioned before, I responded by saying, you're right, and
I will eliminate humans the title. And then of course
they responded, no, no, no, you don't understand. So I had
them tried to explain what they meant. We had great
conversations around whether humans should be in the title or not. Anyway,
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this was a sort of an ad, sort of a
posting by some companies. So several companies use me as
the basis to advertise the books they produce and sell.
And this was in what's called I think it came
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out of the New York Times. Then this went into
Publishers Weekly. So these two pages are from Publishers Weekly,
which is a California publication. Let's go on to the
next image. And then this image has to do with
a similar story brought out an advertisement for Who's Who.
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And I believe this was in perhaps Yes And so
this is more about the story of David Hawk, who
writes books that have interesting words and their titles. Seldom
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did they mention the word, but somehow they call them interesting,
some called them forbidden, some called no no. Please keep
in mind the reason why that term is somewhat of
a no no in the United States of America is
because of a congressional law passed in eighteen seventy three,
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where that law was in essence against women, and so
in order to punish women, if they use words like
fuck or other bad words in the discussions or in
their writing, they could go to jail for two years.
And in the same law, if those women are caught
talking about abortion keep in mind this was eighteen seventy three,
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if indeed they were caught talking about abortion, they could
also go to jail for two years. So indeed, we
can thank Congress for making this term fuck into a
quite bad word socially, legislatively, judicially in this country, we're
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somewhat unique making it so special. But anyway, this is
another article about me in the books I write, and
whatever next image please. And then of course this is
another publication again from Publishers Weekly, which I think it
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somehow goes out to ten million readers on their website.
And so this got an awful lot of press, an
awful lot of notice on the shall we say, Hollywood
website as well as California based websites. And so here
they go into some depth on this idea of climate
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change and what climate change means, and hear the words
that you can't really read have more to do with
the science behind climate change and the science that I
was trying to study in these research projects I was
doing from nineteen seventy five onto the present. And so
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you'll notice they picked up the title of that other
more gracious book and put in the very top human
nature and the potential and nurture. It's meant to soften
the other title that has the funny word in it,
funny as in not haha. Nonetheless, there's been more and
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more stories and descriptions written about me relative to books
I write, research projects I do. I think in the
last year, probably ten different articles have been published about
what I do, why I do it, what it means
for humanity, will humans survive? Climate change? On and on.
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Much of my press agreement. Much of those that tend
to agree with what I say and what I write
are Europeans or Asians. They tend not to be Americans.
Americans tend to be and want to be more optimistic
about all this stuff. And indeed that even includes the Californians, which,
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as you probably noticed in the news, are not terribly
optimistic tonight that in essence, the Palisades is not doing
well relative to the implications of global warming, climate change,
and shall we say things taking place up there that
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make fires pretty reprehensible on ground, such as one hundred
mile an hour winds blowing over the fire, which makes
it very difficult, if not impossible, to have airplanes flying
overhead to try and squinch or quench the flames. So
if you're not sure if climate change is serious, watch
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the news on California tonight, just like a month ago,
watched the news on southeastern United States, particularly in parts
of Virginia and West Virginia and Georgia relative to the
destruction done. Okay, and next issue, next good, And this
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one will continue a bit after break. But this was
a copy of a photo that was sent to me
back in nineteen seventy seven by a rather nice person
who had been part of my study of these twenty
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companies and seven countries. And Frank Press was his name.
Frank Press was the major advisor assistant to the president
you see in the picture, sadly now passed on, But
nonetheless Frank had been part of my project, and Frank
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was well talking to his boss. Let's take a break
and we'll come back to this image.
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A good back to the image you were just looking at.
In essence, as I've talked about before, my claim to
fame in the climate change science arena comes from a
two year project that I did based at the Stockholm
School of Economics Institute of International Business. And that project,
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which involved a number of companies number of countries, was
followed by quite a number of world leaders relative to
shall we say, environmental deterioration environmental pollution resulting from how
we conduct business as humans. And at the end of
two years I put together three volumes of research reports.
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So there were three reports coming out of that nineteen
seventy seven and in essence, Frank press who had been
partner or person at a distance from the project. I
gave him those three volumes, and what you're seeing in
this picture if we didn't have the bottom part on it,
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which I can't remove, the bottom part shows him handing
a dosier to President Carter on climate change, and one
report within that dosier is I hear the third report
from my three reports having to do with the climate
change possibilities and conclusions and in essence, the idea of
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the catastrophic and too much of life on Earth, and
he is handing that to the president. And as you
probably have been hearing when they talk about President Carter's
life and his work, he was very very much an
advocate of worrying about this idea of environmental deterioration from
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human activities, on how it would endanger life, perhaps even
eliminate major aspects of life. In other words, you might
listen a little bit to the incoming president. Listen to Rump.
I'm sorry, I usually call a tee Trump, and so,
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in essence, compare what he says about climate change and
an environment with what Carter said about climate change and
environment way back when. In an essence, if you call
Carter had solar panels put on the top of the
White House to show what we had to do as humans,
and that was done by a good friend of mine
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named IRV. Bales, now deceased. He and I had a
research center that we created together, and he helped put
the solar panels as a symbol on the White House
the show where the US had to go if it
wanted to continue being foremost in the world. Of course,
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the next president, I believe his name was a memorable
actor's name. One of his first acts was removed those
panels from the White House. They had no role in
his governance, no role in America. We should look for
more oil, not put those damn panels on the White House.
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And of course they were removed. So this image is
really good one. They sent me this picture and I've
quite appreciated it. And so now as we hear more
from Trump, think back relative to what Carter said and did,
and compare the two relative to the future of humanity,
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if not the future of life on Earth, and you'll
notice each sees a very different future, etc. Okay, let's
go to the last part of the presentation, which is
an interesting video. I might explain the importance of this.
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Some months ago a group of companies wanted very much
to put up this book relative to Times Square exhibition exhibition.
I think maybe it's a good word, and so in essence,
they wanted to do a video of that book and
have it show during Christmas, Christmas Day and New Year's
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Day and Times Square. So I of course gave them permission,
why wouldn't I, And they put together the video you
were just watching, which I think is a marvelous video,
especially if it's concentration on people's feet relative to where
they're going, relative to where they want to go versus
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where they seem to be walking to. And so it
is a funny little contradictory video talking about humans and
why they may well be excuse me, fucked. Anyway, after
a few seconds, not a minute, up in Times Square,
they were asked to please take it down, Please remove it.
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This should not be in a place like Times Square.
And the major problem with it is the finger. We
find the finger unacceptable. We cannot have things like that
finger in Times Square. That was sent to the people
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the Times Square posting it, and so they took it down,
sent me a copy of the memo about the problem
with the finger with a I'm sure a smile or two. Anyway,
I read the memo and I sent back to the
people sending the memo the comment, ah, I'm very very
sorry that it must have been the nail polish, that
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I should not have had someone with bad nail polish
using that finger in that way. That please accept my apologies.
I will be careful next time. No more bad nail
polish on a finger. They sent me back a note said, no, no,
you totally missed the point. No, it has nothing to
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do with bad nail polish, and so that was the
end of the note. So then I wrote a more
extensive letter said, oh, I'm very very sorry. I am
a little bit slow. I have trouble comprehending seeing I
have lots of troubles the days, so I'm quite sorry
that now I understand what you were upset by. Is
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it was a little girl giving the finger to the elders,
to the public, to the older world that had created
an inhospitable planet that she might not be able to
live her life out on. But you did not like
the fact that it was a female. If indeed I
had been smarter and used a male say, a small boy,
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a small boy giving a finger to the cameraman would
be fantastic. It would be a giant step towards masculinity.
So indeed, you would be very happy that you had
someone well on the road to masculinity, and not that
silly little girl that didn't know much of anything somehow
giving the finger that was badly painted in a very
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bad way. So I really apologize that I had not
thought proper that should have been a male creature giving
the finger. Then of course you would have found it acceptable.
Never received a response, so I'm not sure if I
got it or didn't get it. As you can probably tell,
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I'm a little slow on these things, right anyway, stepping
off on that tangent, you're notice in most of my work,
including the book that's now under publication, which came out
of this TV series. And indeed I did finish that
book and went off to the printers sometime in January.
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I believe it will actually be available. That was the
one that is tentatively titled The Climate is Changing comma
ken humans and the implication being that perhaps they can't.
There was an earlier title they told you about of
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Timan is Changing will humans. I found that far too
optimistic will imply as they can just will or not,
whereas a more careful thinking and more careful updates on
the current science of how climate change is emerging. It's
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no longer an issue of can they Obviously they can't
and obviously they won't. And so I changed that title.
And that was done with the help of the Vice
President of the United States assistant named Nancy, who helped
me with that title, and indeed I give her the
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responsibility for that wonderful clear title. That book should appear
sometime during this month, and I thank all of you
very much for the comments you've given me, particularly the
negative comments. I really really enjoy negative comments about things
I say or do. That's why on my resume, I
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tend to emphasize my firings, not my hirings. So I
certainly appreciate certain people having fired me, and I also
appreciate people somehow articulating a negative stench towards something I've
said or done. So indeed, that book will be coming up,
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but that last piece on the book, Humans Are Fucked,
indeed will not be up in Times Square. But currently
they're doing an alternative video which I hear will be
up in a week or two of me sitting someplace
in this house talking for a couple of minutes about
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a number of things, but certainly not that book, and
hope that is allowed. I try my best to have
no bad words in the minute or two that I talk,
so it should be fine. Okay. Those that sent me
notes about wondering who I was and why I do
what I do, and one even asked, what the hell
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is it I do? I like that question a lot.
If I ever figured it out, I'll get back to
him and try to point it out. As I've mentioned before,
I get interesting comments based on this program, occasional death threats,
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but no death threats recently. But probably my most interesting
two pager was the one that came after our entropy presentation,
where he argued that I was making fun of negative
entropy and pointing out that ninety percent of humans believe
in negative entropy and it cannot exist in the universe.
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As my science friends have taught me forever, it's one
of the most supreme laws of the universe. There can
be no negative entropy, and the most supreme law of
the universe is the entropy law, or shall I say
the second law thermodydemics. But anyway, this person wrote me
a two page handwritten note about how wrong I was.
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That indeed, negative entropy can't exist and does exist, but
you can only create it with God's help. Any footnote
of that by saying, but do not expect Jesus to
help you, because Jesus screwed up the planet first time
he was here, and now God doesn't trust Jesus. So indeed,
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you have to talk directly to God and you'll find
out about negative entropy and why it can exist does exist,
and if you know God, almost everything you do will
be negative entropy. That's a fantastic two pager I have
now framed it, and I really really like it. I
like that letter. Later in another session, we're going to
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talk more about the negative entropy problem, and negative entropy
in essence will be referred to as bullshit, and the
term bullshit you can find out more about if you
simply go on to books online and look up the
term on bullshit. It was a very very good book
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written by a professor of philosophy at Princeton University and
became the best selling book at the Princeton University book sell.
It's a little teeny black book of just a few pages,
but it's in two five, written two five and talks
about what two twenty and on is going to be like.
Now our life will be filled with bullshit, as he
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defines it, from around two fifteen to two twenty on,
and he's not sure humans will make it through it. Anyway,
we will talk a little bit more about negative entropy
in the future. The meantime, you might look up the
second law thermodynamics and see more what the science says,
and also look up what Einstein and other people say
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about it, and the leading scientists in the world will
uniformly say it was an incredible law. It is this
one law that will last in the universe, whereas their laws,
their work, their science will come and go. Anyway, take
a look at it before we get to it. Next time,
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I think we'll cover the issue of dimensions, and I
will take you through the six dimensions that I enjoy
talking about. It's called a positional presentation, meaning that if
you can find out what dimension a person's in when
they speak, you can predict what they're going to say. So,
for example, I can predict almost everything Donald Trump will say,
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based on the dimension he's in. I can do the
same for almost anyone who claims to be a part politician.
I can show you where politician stands when they speak,
and I can tell you about the feminine versus the
masculine versus the spiritual and what dimension they speak from.
So that's next time. Hope you'll enjoy it. It should
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be fun. Thanks very much for tonight, Have a good weekend.
Very nice to be back. Send me a note negative
or positive. I really enjoy both. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
This has been what to do when it becomes too late?
With host David Hawk. Recent studies conclude that about eighty
five percent are concerned with their being a human future.
They begin to sense that short term gains come at
a longer term price. Many are foregoing the idea of
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immortality via having children. Tune in each week as David
talks about these and other important global issues Wednesdays, six
p m. On the Bold Brave TV network.