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Speaker 1 (00:21):
What to do when it becomes too late for humans
to correct their behavior? Author researcher, professor, and climate change
expert David Hawk says such a question implies a need
for change, and herein an argument is presented that humans
believe in their own immortality, but a price is paid

(00:42):
for support of that belief. Humans protect themselves from change
via culture and its implied changelessness. As summers bring intolerable
heat that increases and storms that eliminate insurance companies, humans
began to think of change. Please welcome the host of

(01:04):
what to do when it becomes too late?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
David Hawk, Good afternoon, my friends.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Nice to at least think of seeing you again. Sorry
I can't see you, but that's the way things go.
I do feel a bit better today, in part because
yesterday my brother in law and I went out into
the forest and cut up some dead trees to use

(01:42):
in fireplaces. And so we spent five or six hours
cutting down trees and chopping up trees and hauling trees
and towards the buildings. And that was fantastic. I really
miss doing things like that. Yeah, I should maybe get

(02:02):
a job and do something real. I feel much better
after reality.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Okay, sort of a joke, but not really welcome.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Today. Today we're finally getting deeper into the dimensional arrangement,
and this dimensional approach I think is quite important to
help us see where we're at relative to what we're
going to do and what we do do, And so
I'm trying to, in essence start this new idea of dimensionality.

(02:37):
Is very important to get a sense of where a
person standing, so you know more or less where they
come from, where they're going to, and not only what
they talk about, what they think about. So dimensions are
quite crucial. So the next book after the one that
I've put together rounded this show. Remember the book around

(02:59):
the show, the Climate is Changing Comma Can Humans? And
as I've told you, I think at least twice I
switched the can humans from will humans, meaning that early
on I thought, really humans had the option to change,

(03:19):
good change, and could somehow behave in a way that
didn't bring along climate change consequences. Over the years, at
least during forty years of studying climate change, I pretty
well come to believe that humans can't change. But at

(03:44):
least the book is about can they and why perhaps
they can't? Will they change? Is sort of irrelevant. Now good,
is that optimistic or pessimistic? I'm quite sure. Okay, we
begin let's take a look at the first image. And

(04:13):
here we begin with at least what makes me quite optimistic,
having to do with this idea of a fifth dimension
and an idea that our mentality, or at least parts
of our mentality every now and then, dwell in that
fifth dimension. As I mentioned before, this begins to explain

(04:35):
why we know things we can't know, why we have
a good sense of the future and things that are
happening in the future that theoretically we shouldn't know about.
And then in addition it somehow let's know about some
bad things that we're going to encounter, but we continue

(04:56):
and proceed and encounter them. And so there's an awful
that we know at some level. But perhaps it's not
part of intelligence. Perhaps it's not part of knowledge, it's
some other distinction. And that is this fifth dimension, and
that more or less includes everything, includes the shall we say,

(05:18):
the knowledge base of all living things, and perhaps even
many things that we.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Don't define as alive.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
It's extremely inclusive, and it rejects this idea of digital divisions.
In other words, computers would be a joke relative to
the fifth dimension. Computers wouldn't even be a toy allowed
in the fifth dimension. And also there's no hierarchies. There's

(05:50):
no better than worse than smarter, than dumber, than prettier
than uglier than none of that crap that humans have invented.
And thus there's no idiots, as I've mentioned before, no assholes,
no parts, no analysis, and indeed we no longer would

(06:13):
talk or even think of negative entropy because entropy is
a very different conception in the fifth dimension, and differences,
the differences that we live and die over in essence,
in the fifth dimension are used for humor, nothing very serious,

(06:34):
and then of course it includes all of it. Let's
go into the next image. We'll come back to the
fifth more next time. Keep in mind the reason that
we're meeting in these meetings is to get some sort
of sense of climate change consequences and what it means

(06:55):
when they're too late, and an essence, I do believe
it's too late, at least too late to reverse them,
and probably getting too late to slow them down. If
you hadn't noticed, January was the hottest month ever recorded
by humans, so indeed, things were meant to be cooling

(07:20):
down globally. In fact, they didn't, and the scientists evolved
are quite shocked at how the hell could January kept
on increasing in temperature. Anyway, we're talking very much about
the long term cost of human behavior, and I'm going

(07:40):
to explain in more detail, as I've already tried that
that human behavior is based on this construct of negative entropy.
It's not even a concept, it's more of a construct,
something that cannot exist in the universe, but humans invented
and somehow need it to be there, and that way

(08:03):
they avoid entropy, and they in essence have never heard
of entropy. But in essence they sure have heard of
negative entropy, which in essence is the basis for marketing
and many other subjects. Also for strategy formulation, we use
negative entropy. So keep this image in mind as we

(08:27):
work through tonight. Next image. Now, try and keep this
a bit in mind. I'm going to rely on this
more or less the rest of our programs. This is
a chart of shall we say, six different dimensions, and

(08:47):
so let's call it dimensionality because there are six more
than one, and an essence, I'm interested in where you are,
and even more entered perhaps and.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Where I am.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
And a great deal of predictability falls out of knowing
in which of these dimensions you are. And you'll notice
the first dimension, in essence is a dot. Mathematically it
is a dot, and in essence it's some sort of spiritual,

(09:24):
but not not quite. There should be a question mark
after the term spiritual spiritual, and in fact the spiritual
should be set back to five.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
But this is okay.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
The first dimension above zero is a line, and in essence,
just like a dot is formed by x y z
around a circle where a dot is in the middle,
at least mathematically, and we have a line. A line

(09:56):
is defined in mathematics as the connection between and a
line by definition tends to be straight, could be curved,
could be lumpy, but lines tend to be straight because
humans like that. It's more simple minded, more easy, whatever.
And of course the second dimension, then is a surface.

(10:17):
It is a two dimensional thing, not three. Okay, it really.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Has no depth.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
We look at it, use it because it's restricted to
two dimensions. It is a surface. It does not allow
life into it.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Which is three dimensions.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
And so you'll notice that such things as television, your
mobile phone that you look at all day, in essets
is a two dimensional artifact, a two dimensional image, And
I think much of what we find wrong in humans
comes from too much time spent on surface images, on

(11:00):
flat planes, on the stuff you're looking at, like an
a mobile phone. Okay, keep that in mind if you can.
And earlier I had talked about legal documents, since we
often use laws, legal documents whatever is the basis to
try and control behavior that is two dimensional control of

(11:22):
three dimensional four dimensional behavior, which is why the law
breaks down and is relatively silly fun to talk about.
Lawyers are fun to talk about, but please don't depend
on them very much, and certainly don't depend on what
they're trying to read, because they'll interpret it. However, they

(11:44):
make more money. And we have third dimension called space,
which is quite a marvelous, wonderful, incredible image. Space is
a big deal. Third dimension stuff is really something. And
as we talked about before, the fourth dimension, in essence,

(12:06):
is the world of entropy.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
It is death.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
It's what you would call time. I tend not to
I call an entropy, but in essence, the fourth dimension
is time, and the fifth dimension is this thing we're
talking about as a hope place, an optimistic place, something
to in essence, let the mind somehow develop differently.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Okay, next image, and of course we try to figure
out where a person is.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
And the people in the lower part of this chart,
in zero or first dimension, tend to be the weaker
individuals in society. But they also tend to be what
we call leaders.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
So for some.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Reason, maybe we're cynical, maybe we're lazy, maybe we're looking
for humor, we tend to find leaders that are men
with a point and they have a point. And you'll
probably notice that every politician you've ever heard or watch
an essence deals in points, not lines, not spaces, not life,

(13:19):
but points. They make points. Obviously, Donald or as I
usually call him, t Rump, is making a point here.
I have received some notices from some of you asking me,
I understand t Rump, but what does the T stand for?

(13:41):
And I'm still thinking about that. If you have an idea,
let me know anyway.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
The idea of a point.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
It's very very good for defining a politician because that
is all they deal with. Next image. And then, of
course those dealing when in a point also have the
option of becoming pointless. And here we have an example

(14:11):
of practicing for military, practicing for graduation, practicing to saying
whatever it is, we find some pointless activity. But in essence,
these people want to belong. They really want to belong,

(14:33):
especially when.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Nobody wants them.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
So here we have an example of pointlessness in that
there is a point here. But the point is, shall
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Speaker 3 (17:08):
Now keep this image in mind. Some of you may
find this fantastic image very impressive. I never have I've
never quite understood these gatherings of where when you graduate,
you get together do things like this. You join a course,
you act like this, you join the military and act

(17:31):
like this. I could never really relate to this, which
probably explains why I've never been to a graduation ceremony
of my graduations, never went to high school graduation, never
went to the four college degree graduations. I just tend
to avoid this because I assume everyone here somehow relates

(17:55):
to a point. There's somehow a point that puts them
in this manner, and I can't really relate to a
single point at a single time. But anyway, let's go
on next slife.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Now.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
The important thing about points is that you really need
two points, and you need this line between the two points,
and so the line between two points becomes the basis
for arguing over the points or even fisticuffs fighting over.

(18:32):
In the case of warfare, you have two points that
separate two armies then try to kill each other over
those points.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
So, such as.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Vietnam, the point was communism was bad or communism was good.
Two points, there was a line between the two, and
all hell broke loose on each side towards the other side,
and so somehow people do like the simplicity of points,
but they tell to be extraordinarily dangerous, if not just

(19:02):
playing dumb, and often between Republicans and Democrats. Again, you
have two points, and the arguments you hear over this
points tend to be relatively silly, certainly somewhat superficial, but
nonetheless this is the way it is. And so here
we have a line between two points. Oh boy, humans anyway,

(19:27):
next image. Now, keep in mind when we first started
this program and we talked about dimensions sort of, the
ultimate expression of the zero dimension is the black hole,
and the black hole is a phenomenal representation of a point.

(19:50):
In fact, it's much more than a point, but in
physics we like to look at it as a point
in terms of the mystery in that blackness at the
cent the point.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
And so.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
When I'm feeling good about points, I often use a
black hole to represent the point, and then from that
all kinds of stuff comes out goes. In many beginnings
endings evolve around that point of the zero dimension. Unfortunately,
this has a little to do with humans, because humans

(20:25):
take a much shall we say stupid or approach to points,
which generally causes humans to become pointless. I haven't talked
about that yet, but many politicians, if you listen to them,
tend to be pointless, especially those that use this special

(20:46):
vocabulary that you'll notice. Vocabulary but no punctuation. There's no periods,
no pauses, no capital letters, no beginning, no end. They
just begin rambling. The one thing that's different these days
is it's louder than usual, and they certainly speak faster,

(21:07):
so very fast, very loud, no content and in essence anymore,
there's probably no point. Oh well, anyway, but Stephen Hawkins,
which you should look into, you should read, was very
good at talking about this.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Point next image.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
And of course then we make it to the first dimension,
the dimension of the line. And if nothing else you
might use. This that I have shown you before is
the idea of the teeter totter. So politicians tend to
look at humans and watch masses of humans, and they
look at them as if they're on a teeter totter,

(21:52):
and they try to figure out which end of the
teeter totter as a greater mass, meaning more humans, which
one weighs more. So the politicians, by definition go with
that end that they really don't have a point until
they pick the point that they go with.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Then they argue like how for that point.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
So if you need to know more about the first.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
Dimension, think of a teeter totter.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Okay, next image, And of course I've shown you this
before too. This is also this notion of making it
to the second dimension flat land. This is a flat
surface and an essence, the ideal surface for making of

(22:38):
laws to create legal order, which I've criticized before. So
legal order comes from two dimensions in an effort to
try to control three dimensions. Three dimensions so fantastic. Two
dimensions is so pitiful. It's very, very difficult to imagine

(23:00):
two dimensions ever adequately adequately covering, regulating, explaining, or giving
insight into three dimensions. Nonetheless, we do that these are
the laws and the use of laws to try and
make sense of what to do and not do. Onto

(23:21):
the next image, and this is yes, I should speak
more quietly and more respectfully. This is that very beautiful
third dimension. Relative to life, the third dimension is very

(23:42):
much about the heart of life. It's about the nurturing process,
it's about the inventing process.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
It's about the.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Integrity of helping what has been invented to be nurtured.
And this is the one that I tend to call
Mother Nature, because feminine values tend to understand this much
more than masculine values. The masculine, at least on the farm,
has trouble with this, because as soon as one of

(24:11):
my male neighbors looks at this, they want to know,
can I plow that up? I need to plant some
corn there? What the hell are they doing there? They
should be working anyway. The third dimension I define as
the home line of Mother Nature, and when time passes

(24:32):
through the third dimension, then you end up at the
fourth which is certainly not Mother Nature. But I like
this image very much. Think of this image when you
think of the third dimension, then the bits and pieces
in my house that I keep designing and redesigning and making, reducing,
changing are very much my life. And the third dimension,

(24:55):
which I find it, has an important spiritual dimension to
the third dimension, So that aspect that dimension to the
dimension is really quite something. And of course religions pick
up that dimension also, or at least try to. That's
why your churches try to be cathedrals, try to be

(25:17):
quite fantastic, whereas later stage churches, of course, became the
opposite anti fantastic. Okay, next image. Now, keep in mind
also on the third dimension, we have this horrible life,
which Plato in the Allegory of the Cave criticized very harshly.

(25:42):
Plato was very tough on the downside of the third
dimension in most cases, meaning the one designed by humans,
built by humans, or managed by humans. And out of
the same period of Greek history there was the invention
of the cube in mathematics, and the cube really, as
I mentioned before, with something to keep people trapped mentally

(26:06):
perhaps physically, in order to realize they should shape up,
they should obey rules, they should fit into what they're
told to do by management.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
And so they should be in a cube which is equal.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Sides all around, and everything's in parallels. And so these
are people living in cubes. And of course the fifth
rule of Euclid is the one that explains cubes and
the parallel lines needed to make cubes. Also keep in
mind that there are no parallel lines in nature. Nature

(26:44):
never recognize them, never use them, and I think never
allowed them.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
No matter what.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Euclid says, parallels simply do not exist.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
In the human mentality.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
They do but outside that they certainly camped and shouldn't.
So this is one way of living which is more
or less the opposite of where I live. And I
believe a lot of the troubles we have relative to
humans comes from them living in these cubes, these boxes
next image. And so this is why when I create

(27:23):
these spaces I live in, or spaces for friends of mine,
I try to make them not seem cube like. Even
where I allow parallels, I still try to diminish the
idea of the cube. The cube is a trap. The
cube is an intentional jail. It was designed that way
by the ancient Greeks in order to get people to behave.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Differently and obey the law.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Remember the law that two dimensional stuff. Cubes are important
to keep you in two dimensions. Anyway, this is one
of my workspaces, one of my meeting space is within
this house, and it's meant to raise some spirituality, not
punish people and make them sit and kneel in the

(28:11):
corner and feel bad. Nice spaces throughout this facility I'm
in and the next image, and this, of course I've
shown you before, is fantastic. One of my favorite buildings,

(28:33):
favorite spaces in the world. It's a library of the
future that's twenty thirty kilometers away from Beijing, designed by
some very interesting architects in Holland, and also some students

(28:54):
were involved from the school that I was teaching at
at the time. When I talk about designing with non
parallels to have a more natural environment, more natural spaces,
this is what I mean for me. This is very inspirational,
very lovely. I think you should take this seriously. This

(29:18):
is a library of the future, which ideas, spirituality wandering
around is more important than the books. It's based on
ideas and based on the spirit. So really quite nice. Okay,
that does it for the images. Just a few words

(29:40):
about next time. You might think of what we're going
to do as we next time go on from this,
and what to do when it's too late, and so
in essence, how do you deal with climate change consequence

(30:01):
as they surround you and they will and they cannot
be stopped, which they can't, and they cannot be reversed.
They can't because they are entropic, and entropic does not
allow you to put things in reverse. That's the one
universal law which the leading scientist remind us is almost

(30:23):
a sacred law not to be overturned, made fun of,
or to ignore. So, in essence, the fourth dimension is
based on this idea of entropy and based on the
four dimensions, where the fourth is time, or shall we
say father time, So remember mother nature. Now we have

(30:43):
father time and father time. Vis be, the work of
humans is on a fast track. In essence, we cannot
reverse entropy, we cannot ignore it, and the most we
can do is not speed it up to much. But indeed,
what we've done is speed up entropy very rapidly by

(31:06):
human behavior. And that's why I call climate change entropy.
It is simply the same process speeded up. Anyway, it
comes from a lack of knowledge of life, meaning and
the cosmic existence. Therefore, we do the dumb things that
we do relative to enhancing entropy. And we do that

(31:31):
by emphasizing, almost praying to negative entropy, meaning that we
think humans are so great they can reverse entropy. So
negative entropy is the basis for marketing, basis for lies,
basis for politicians, basis for many speeches. So remember, it's

(31:54):
very difficult to think about to where our process goes
unless you know from where it be against. I've mentioned
that before we'll touch on that again next time. Also
remember that I'm not interested in cause effect thinking, which
comes from analysis. I'm interested in watching the effects of

(32:16):
effects via looking at the connections of things, not the
parts of parts of parts, which is analysis. I'm interested
in putting things back together or watching things that are
together in terms of connected And number three, think about

(32:37):
again and again the idea of matter over mind in
order to diminish mind over matter, as much of what
we call climate change was created by industrialization, which in
essence was mind over matter. Humans think their mind's incredibly powerful.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
It's more or less determined by which dimension you're in,
And hopefully most of you are at least in the
third or fourth dimension. Before we're done, I hope you'll
have a greater appreciation of the fifth dimension. If you're
stuck back in one and two or zero with politicians, etc.
I simply pity you. I feel very bad for you.

(33:19):
You don't want to be there. It's not a beautiful
place to be. Entropy makes fun of you when you
hang out there. So next week we're going to talk
more about entropy, more about negative entropy, more about matter
over mind, and how climate change comes from mind over matter,

(33:40):
or so we thought. Because we thought we were fantastic,
and we tend not to be fantastic relative to this universe,
we might well think of ourselves as trivial.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Okay, see you next week. Thank you very much for
your attention.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
This has been What to do when it becomes too late?
With host David Hawk. Recent studies conclude that about eighty
five percent are concerned with their being a human future.
They begin to sense that short term gains come at
a longer term price. Many are foregoing the idea of

(34:21):
immortality via having children. Tune in each week as David
talks about these and other important global issues Wednesdays, six
pm on the Bold Brave TV network.
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