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Speaker 1 (00:18):
What to do when it becomes too late for humans
to correct their behavior? Author researcher, professor, and climate change
expert David Hawk says such a question implies a need
for change, and herein an argument is presented that humans
believe in their own immortality, but a price is paid

(00:39):
for support of that belief. Humans protect themselves from change
via culture, and it's implied changelessness. As summers bring intolerable
heat that increases and storms that eliminate insurance companies, humans
began to think of change. Please welcome the host of

(01:01):
What to Do when it becomes too late?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
David Hawk, Good afternoon, my friends.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Nice to see you again. Sorry I can't see you,
but hopefully you know what I mean anywhere. We're back
at it again. I'm feeling a bit better this week
than last week, and certainly better than the week before,
so I think we're about ready to be on a roll.

(01:40):
Let's start with this afternoon and get through some more
of this. If you recall last time we talked more
about the book and the contents of that book in
an outline, and today I'll try and respond to some
comments you sent me based on that last presentation. So

(02:03):
most of what I say tonight will be in response
to suggestions, criticisms, whatever, from what we talked about last time.
So please let's take a look at the first PowerPoint.
This one I have shown before, but I'm showing it
once again because someone wanted me to elaborate a bit

(02:26):
on how to escape climate change. So indeed, can we
deal with it's too late by going off to another pilot?
And indeed, that's part of a larger discussion because if
you recall, there was a movie called Don't Look Up,
which some of you may have seen, and the producers

(02:47):
of that movie have been discussing with me the idea
of using one of my two books as a second
version of Don't Look Up, because the first version was
to have dealt with climate change, but later on they
moved on to some asteroid hitting the Earth and resulting
and damage to life, if not wiping it out. But

(03:10):
this time they'd like to do a movie that they
dreamed of the first time, of actually using climate change
as the basis for bac heating the Earth. And I
use this image, as I've talked about before, to give
you a sense of this planet Venus. And if you
recall a few years ago, Elon Musk and people like

(03:32):
that were fantasizing about going you sorry, we're fantasizing about
going off to Venus to live and escape the mess
on the Earth that humans had created, at least to
get away from what human damage gave us. Then how
do we go, oh sorry, how do we in essence

(03:58):
get away from the Earth which will go away? And
so they fantasized going about going to Venus and this
wonderful Venus. Then the scientists explained to them that the
temperature on Venus is nine hundred degrees at the surface,
and you sort of don't want to go there. And
then they went on to explain the reason it's that

(04:21):
way is because carbon dioxide in the atmosphere a bit
like the carbon dioxide that's now building up an Earth atmosphere.
So indeed, the Earth is headed towards the status of Venus,
because Venus once had oceans and planets and landscape, but
no longer. And I mentioned this last time, but now

(04:41):
it's somewhat important because back then, when the billionaires found
out they could not have sanctuary and Venus, then they
decided to have sanctuary on the Earth, meaning to underground
and that's when the crew of billionaires went to Hawaii
and began to stake out underground attacks for them when
the rest of the people were dying on the earth,

(05:03):
at least they would survive. And then about a year ago,
with a pretty horrible storm, the water went into where
they were planned on living and in essence would have
drowned them all. So this image of Venus versus the
Earth is terribly important for you to keep in mind.
And one of you wanted to know why I did

(05:26):
this image and what the hell does venus have to
do with anything. Venus is a sense of the future
of the earth if we can't manage climate change next
image please. And so based on that, we spent some

(05:48):
time last time and a few weeks ago talking about
how to shall we say, shape up and get to
this notion of how to deal with climate change. And
as I've pointed out, it is a bit late to
stop or certainly to reverse climate change, because it has

(06:11):
gone beyond the tipping points we discussed, and it will
continue to warm up for a period of time. The
most we can hope for is to not allow the
temperature to go much above one point five degrees centigrade
worldwide and certainly not make it to two, although now
the the proposal is that it looks like the Earth

(06:34):
may well make it to two, because it has already
gone past one point five. But in order to understand
these processes, I beg you to think not about answers,
but about questions. And this is why I've talked again
and again, including last time, that we need to move
on from the area of answers. And I would argue

(06:57):
that education, in general it's taught, particularly the US and
most other countries, is to teach answers. So indeed, the
teachers get up and give you answers, and often they
don't even mention the question, and they ask you to
memorize the answers. And then almost all tests given to

(07:17):
students are how well you memorize the answers. And indeed,
in my teaching, I always emphasize questions instead, and when
I mention answers, it's mostly in humor. What I would
like you to do is find better questions. And for example,
this idea that from where does climate change arise? Of

(07:40):
course it arises from industrial activities of humans, but people
seldom want to go there, seldom wanted to deal with
that question because the answers are pretty ugly, so they
in essence don't go there. Instead, they go to other
kinds of answers, which is the statement below. The climate

(08:02):
change is the climate having always been changing, So why
the hell worry about climate change? As long as we've
known it, it changes, So just go away and leave
me alone. That is an answer that you should avoid. Again,
the question is where from this climate change arise and

(08:22):
how do we keep it close to causing one and
a half degree celsius rise and not two, certainly not
three or four. Three or four will begin to take
us very much towards Venus in a rather rapid manner. Okay,
hopefully you got that, and hopefully the person that sent
me that statement about why do I worry about questions

(08:46):
and not answers because you make more money of answers
not questions, which is true. Let's go to the next
I'm sorry about these people from Asia England. I'm sorry.
It's hard to turn them off and still have the
speaker on, so please forgive me, and I have asked

(09:06):
them not to do this, so they wait until now
to do this because they act like me it's not
very nice of them anyway. The second item that you
really should get in your mind is the idea of
the idea of context is terribly important. We really must,

(09:27):
we really must understand context more than answers, more than suggestions,
more than pointing out things. So as opposed to talking
about Hitler and as Hitler coming back, we need to
understand the context of Hitler and begin to see that

(09:48):
we are now generating almost the same context as was
generated around Hitler's rise. Even though Hitler was a relatively worthless,
not all that important person, he developed a context that
allowed him to be central and important. And in essence,

(10:09):
we have some American leader just now who seems to
be using the text from an An Hitler as a
bible to talk about where the US should go. And
of course, forget about climate change. That's irrelevant. The important
thing is to have an authority that takes over the
country and can rule it, like Hitler did. So in

(10:31):
this case, look for context, don't look for these silly
little examples like Hitler. But from where did Hitler come?
What context allowed Hitler to be Hitler? So in the US,
what would be the context that will allow someone to
become a hitler in the US. Please think about that.

(10:51):
And for the person that sent me this question, please
look at this image and you'll get a sense of
perhaps where we're going image place. And of course I
have been looking for a way to express our situation

(11:12):
under climate change. So just like I did that comment
back in nineteen sixty eight in Vietnam to try and
explain what was going on to Vietnam to normal people,
which then in nineteen seventy one became a widespread comment
that other soldiers were putting on their dog tags and

(11:34):
cigarette lighting companies were putting it on the back of
a cigarette lighter. And I won't take you back through
that comment, but if you go back early in this series,
you'll see that comment from Vietnam, where in essence, I
upset a captain because a captain told me to shoot
at women and children, and I rejected his comment and

(11:56):
suggested I shoot him instead to make the world a
better place. It's the idea of shooting women and children
seemed you can fill in the words anyway. My version
of updating some of those comments and bringing them to
understand climate change as a year ago that I mentioned

(12:16):
in this series near the beginning, we the unwilling, led
by the unqualified, to produce the unwanted, live amongst the ungrateful,
and become the nothing that was a year ago. Let's
go on to the next image, and so now using

(12:37):
an image but modifying the statement to again talk about
the fundamental importance of industrialization to have brought about climate change,
particularly industrialization since eighteen fifty, and how it was created
by the model of industrialization we chose, in essence have

(12:59):
this has brought about a set of consequences that are
changing planetary life. And for anyone that's tried to buy
insurance lately, you'll have an aha experience or you have
had of how insurance is becoming unaffordable. Probably by twenty
thirty insurance will not be available, not just unaffordable, no

(13:25):
company will be able to offer insurance. And so this
is beginning to approach that. So we have a new
comment here. We the unknowledgeable, led by the ignorant, produce
the cheap, the cheap at any cost, meaning we try
to be more and more productive and make things cheaper

(13:45):
and cheaper and cheaper, and make more profit from the cheaper.
But then our conclusion is we meet death, and the
death comes from our behavior. And so this is another
version of the previous comment. Perhaps it's time to take
a break and then we'll start with the next slide.

(14:08):
When we come back, we'll move on from this to
the next. But break time, see you shortly.

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Speaker 3 (20:38):
So, I hope you remember this noteworthy picture, because as
we move towards what's it called responding to what to
do with it's too late so the response that is
prime property these days is to invent sustainable technology to

(21:00):
take care of industrialization technology. And so I fondly use
this picture in many places, in many forms to show
the essence of sustainability, at least in Russia. So this
is a picture of a Russian piece of technology that
is completely and continuously be unsustainable. So you can sort

(21:22):
of imagine what garbage the idea of sustainability has become.
And so in essence, I'm using this to depict negative
entropy and how this image shows the negative entropy component
of sustainability. In essence, it's a joke that these are
the entropy the second law therminynamics. Nothing can be sustainable

(21:47):
that that continues no matter what The degradation continues, no
matter what humans do. All humans do is make it
go faster. But that's a big deal. Making entropy descend
on us more rapidly is a very bad idea, and
just like in Venus, it can be a really really

(22:08):
bad idea. So here I'm arguing that negative entropy is
key to what I increasingly call leadership as opposed to leadership,
and the world is somehow leaning towards many examples of
leadership relative to responding to climate change. It's a pity
next image place and this I showed you last time,

(22:41):
but it's slightly modified based on a couple of a
couple of your comments that people are wanting to know
more about it than they're sort of worried about the
extreme left image and the extreme right image instead of
wondering what I was getting to. And it is about

(23:04):
leadership and the problems of leadership, and so at some universities,
I've argued with the leadership, particularly the board that runs
the president, that a good sign of a good leader
is in his or her mind, they have an idea

(23:26):
of going someplace. Bad leadership tends to have no place
to go and doesn't want any place to go, or
even worse, they discuss going backwards back to the good
old days, which of course didn't exist, but some sort
of image of thinking things were better back then. Let's
go back then. And we happen to have a leader

(23:48):
roaming around the US that's a fan of going back
to the good old days. And along the way he
picks up certain other people that he worships. What they do,
what they say, how they act. In an essence, they
become vessels of that person. Not that that first image
would imply that, but for the person that wrote me.

(24:11):
Take a look at that first image with some care,
but more important, move on to the image on the
right that, in essence, Greta appears to make a much
better leader than the president of the US. And in between,
our famous author George Orwell describes why so in essence,

(24:36):
as society drifts away from truth, and thus it develops
a basis for hating those that speak truth, more and
more so our leadership becomes intolerant of truth. Let's move
on to the next and then, of course I had

(24:58):
this before, and this is a good introduction to the
five to six, even seven dimensions that I talk about.
Where dimensionality, which is the next book I'm writing, has
to do with moving from zero dimension, which is a point,
into the first dimension, which is a teeter totter, a

(25:20):
line or on the teeter totter. You have people standing
in whichever end of the teeter totter has more people,
meaning it's heavier. I mean it hits the ground faster
those in the zero dimension watch that. And the zero
dimension is primarily filled with lawyers and politicians, particularly politicians
that went to law school. So in essence, they look

(25:43):
at the teeter totter to sweet where the masses are,
and then they come up with a point they stand on.
And this is an example of a person with a point,
so sort of pretending to be a bit like the
context of Hitler and taking you to that point. One
of you sent in a suggestion that in addition to

(26:05):
zero dimension as a point, he recommended the minus zero
dimension as pointless. So he felt I should include the
dimension of pointlessness because many people that say they occupy
zero are actually no minus zero. And that was a
good suggestion, thank you. And then of course we arrive

(26:26):
at that one dimensional truth, which is the teeter totter
in order to have zero dimensional power. So if we
call zero, one and two are the domains that most
people occupy on our planet, in our country, we desperately
need to get them onto the third dimension, which is

(26:47):
walking in nature, walking around in the sun, moon, et cetera.
But anyway, this is an image that a couple of
you responded to very nicely. Thank you a lot. Next image,
and then of course I've had shown this picture of

(27:08):
to meet what's coming to get a better sense of
the third dimension and to get back closer to nature.
Go into places like this, live in places like this,
develop a relationship to nature and natural conditions, and be
a little more skeptical of the industrial, say of the

(27:29):
urban without plant life, and begin to familiarize yourself the
importance of plants, animals and life, and in essence, get
over the problem of mind over matter and go back
closer to matter to see what really matters. And of
course then you will stop looking at your neighbor, your wife,

(27:53):
your boss and saying I don't mind and you don't matter.
N essence, go back to matter matters very much. And
the mind is often flawed on how it thinks of matter.
In terms of the industrial that was where the mind
overroad matter called the nature. So we need to go

(28:14):
back and rediscover matter and question the mind. And this
is an image that I use to talk about that
in the third dimension next image please, And then of
course we come up with this thing I talked about
a year ago having to do with the management relative

(28:36):
to leadership, because including leadership and under leadership you have
middle management which is trying to be leadership, so they
get paid more. And so this is one of my
favorite examples of management of leadership. And of course you're
noticed the sex of all the people around this table,
as well as the dress of all around this table,

(28:58):
and in essence, I've argued for many years that management
has become a major problem in society, particularly industrial society,
and so the major difficulty comes out of the first
three letters of management. So we really need to question
and rethink those first three letters as the basis for leadership.

(29:23):
And do we have an alternative? I would say yes.
So we have this little term below, non capitalized called
firmagement to replace management. And that foundation I started in
China called eternalfeminine dot org or it's at eternal feminine
no doubts, I mean spaces. Eternalfeminine dot org is an

(29:49):
extensive website on how to createmiage but in order to
deal with correcting the problems of industrialization and then the
oncoming shall we say tear if not war of climate change.
So anyway, think of fembishment. Men ask me how do

(30:13):
you pronounce that? Some say how do you spell it?
And others say why would you go there? But I
have gone there, and that's an interesting thing to go to.
Think of this image. It's a pretty predominant image worldwide.
Next image, please, and here we end with a slide

(30:39):
relative to the difficulties of change. And so humans, at
least American humans, and shall we say some Asian and
many European humans really have this bias towards changelessness and
or going back to the good old days. Here you

(31:00):
find a very happy couple not interested in change. They
would like to roar onwards into the future, even though
it consumes a lot of fuel that will be a
diminishing resource, and much fun and much happiness writing into
the future. And then, of course we have this other group,

(31:20):
which we call our leaders, which in essence sort of
want to be left alone so they can dream about
leadership as they dream about putting new prisons and al
Salvador in order to put people there that are disobedient
and that don't understand their style of leadership. So these

(31:41):
are two images that argue for changelessness, and each of
the two tends to argue quite strongly for changelessness, the
one on the left of moving on at high speed
into changelessness, and the one the right having more to
help us go backwards to look for how things used

(32:04):
to be, which is a form of changelessness. Things used
to be pretty horrible, but they don't quite remember the
horrible part, or at least in their speeches, they don't
mention the horrible part. And of course, essential to both
pictures is the idea of ignorance. Ignorance is fantastic for
both pictures. Both pictures would end up pretty sad for

(32:28):
the rest of us if we looked at them seriously
with some intelligence. As long as we're ignorant and see
these images were fine, who cares? So what? Okay, Sorry,
that's a tough set of images, but it really helps
us understand where changelessness comes from and why it's hanging around.

(32:51):
Although just now probably a majority of humans are thinking
about change. Change in both of them images that we
looked at, But we'll see anyway, next time, I will
try to take you a little deeper and wider into
a few issues. Before long, I'm going to bring this

(33:12):
series to a close. I think we're pretty close to
that time. I did want to show you the forthcoming
book that you helped write, so I wanted to show
you the actual book before we close down. But it
keeps not making it out of the printers. I talked
to them again this morning and the promise before long

(33:36):
we will see something like that book. But within another
two three, maybe one sessions. I would like to wrap
this up and send you on your merry way towards
oftentive climate change. I don't mean that meanly. I just

(33:56):
mean that we sort of need to move on to
doing some so we say more difficult things to deal
with climate change, which was the nature of the program
we started more than a year ago that it's continuing
in this series. Thank you very much for your time
and attention. I appreciate very much your presence and those

(34:19):
that take this video and show it at other places.
And I do get comments from other people in other places,
particularly some in Northern Europe, some in Asia, and I
also appreciate your comments and commentary. And again, if you
want to reach me with the comments, David al Hawk

(34:42):
at gmail dot com is probably the best way. Otherwise
you can leave comments on this site, but the others
I get more commonly every day, other websites maybe once
a week, once every two weeks. I just don't have
time to to look at them. Very much. Thank you

(35:04):
very much. Have a great evening and I will talk
to you next week.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
This has been what to do when it becomes too
late with host David Hawk. Recent studies conclude that about
eighty five percent are concerned with their being a human future.
They begin to sense that short term gains come at
a longer term price. Many are foregoing the idea of

(35:36):
immortality via having children. Tune in each week as David
talks about these and other important global issues Wednesdays, six
pm on the Bold Brave TV network.
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