What to do When It's too Late - 04/30/25

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
What to do when it becomes too late for humans
to correct their behavior? Author researcher, professor, and climate change
expert David Hawk says such a question implies a need
for change, and herein an argument is presented that humans
believe in their own immortality, but a price is paid

(00:41):
for support of that belief. Humans protect themselves from change
via culture and its implied changelessness. As summers bring intolerable
heat that increases and storms that eliminate insurance companies humans
began to think of. Please welcome the host of what

(01:04):
to do when it becomes too late?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
David Hawk, Good afternoon, my friends. Very nice to almost
see you. Almost means I can imagine you that not
quite see you, So sorry for that last piece. Tonight,

(01:31):
we're going to try and cover a number of things
that we've always already talked about, but try to make
them a little bit coherent around a subject or two,
which I think is quite important in addressing that it's
too late and second part, what to do when it's
too late? So keep in mind those two questions, is

(01:53):
it too late? What to do when it's too late?
And I'll trying to take you through a number of
issues tonight. I believe I'm going to close the series
next week because the last Friday I learned that I
have for the aspects of cancer in my chest, not

(02:16):
just these other superficial things, and so in essence, they're
gonna in a couple of weeks need to do a
three part surgery of going in and doing battle supposedly
with the cancer, or as I explain, they're going to
do battle with entropy, and they will lose, but it's

(02:43):
very nice they at least try so. Anyway, Tonight will
be next to the last show, and next week should
be the last one that we can cover for now.
So appreciate very much your endurance and hope in the
next two sessions I can help inform you in a

(03:07):
way that is more helpful for a few years, not
a few minutes. An essence, I've received a number of
interesting comments from a number of you, which I've enjoyed immensely.
I really like your comments, I like your questions, and
as I mentioned before, I particularly like anything that implies criticism.

(03:31):
Good stuff. But in essence, a number of your comments
have pointed out that you're wondering sort of who the
hell is this? David whatever, where does he come from?
What is he up to, what is the context for
that which he talks about, and the way in which

(03:52):
he talks? And so, in essence is his name David?
Or is it guy as it was on one of
my books, and as it used to be when I
was part of a motorcycle gang. Or is it doctor? Please?
It's not doctor. Someone calls me doctor. As I've mentioned before,

(04:16):
I usually comment that I'm not a doctor. I have
no patience. And then, of course their response generally is
how do you spell patients? And of course my response
is whichever you prefer, or in essence is my name
whoever or whatever or what? And so tonight I'm going

(04:39):
to try and take you through a more rigorous listing
of things we talked about, but in essence use them
relative to other purposes instead of this question of who
the hell am I and where did I come from?
In essence, David Hawk does his mouse to somehow move

(05:05):
beyond the limitations of the culture of titles, power, hierarchies,
digititus as I talked about last time, that in essence,
how to get over those, shall we say, cultural attributes
of people trying to get the right title so they
get access to the right places. I've always found those humorous.

(05:29):
But nonetheless, many people go to schools looking for titles,
join organizations looking for titles, get married looking for titles, etc.
And those titles imply power or access to power, of course,
seldom defining what they mean by power. And in addition, people
tend to like hierarchies a lot because hierarchic organization is

(05:53):
a primary human means. As I mentioned last time, you
don't find hierarchy in nature, you only find it in
human conversation and behavior. And I've always made fun of hierarchy,
and of course always paid a price for making fun
of such. And of course, last time we talked about digititis,

(06:14):
having to do with putting things in categories of AB
one two in essence Aristotle's basis for computer science, and
therein is one of the problems of computer science that
until they radically change, even change their name, they will
not get over anyway. As a kicking off point, I

(06:38):
would point out that I really believe the next three
items item want when you don't know, be nice item two. Thus,

(06:58):
when you do know, you can then move on to
be even nicer. So when you know don't take greater
advantage of others. And third, and not last, but third, Ah,
when you truly come to know, you will be truly nice,

(07:24):
nice at a very different level. Nice more in terms
of this fifth dimension that we talked about, this land
of the spirituality, and again spiritual as a non religious term,
because religions tend to have hierarchies, and I tend not
to appreciate hierarchy. I tend to be much more like

(07:47):
this lovely person that died last week called the Catholic Pope.
I tend to like very much his thoughts, his conversations,
and most of all, his behavior here because as he
came to know, he was nicer and nicer. Keep in
mind the Pope. If you want to know more about

(08:09):
those three comments that I just made, Okay, then you
also moved on to questions of can hawk meeting me?
I guess help you negotiate with today? What can I
do to help you do a better job with today?
Good question? Second, how did I meet all these decision

(08:35):
makers of yesterday? Or shall we call them yesterday's decision makers?
Because you'll notice in my record on my resume throughout
LinkedIn and the twelve thousand followers I have there and
the stuff I talk about, as well as other segments
of this TV series that in essence, I've been very

(08:57):
lucky to meet a lot of important Decay Vision makers
over the last fifty sixty, even seventy years. How did
I do that? Good question? Good question. I'm interested in
the answer. Also, I'll try to touch on it. And then,
of course, of course we have these insights about various things,

(09:21):
which these things seem what's strange, and my comments seem
somewhat strange, but somehow enough of you tolerate me and
hang on because you think those comments may well have
some clues about the future, about tomorrow and how to

(09:41):
negotiate with tomorrow, how to deal with the future. So
there's a certain importance in that level, which I'll try
to cover tonight. But keep this in mind. Remember, when
in doubt, be nice. Okay, if you have any doubt

(10:06):
about what that means, I suggest you watch the news,
especially news regarding the behavior of our US president. In essence,
I would not accuse him of being nice. When I
once dealt with him, I left that meeting not thinking

(10:29):
he was a very nice person, especially towards all the
employees that he never paid for what they did for him,
and he kept the money because he didn't somehow like
what they did. Not nice. If you need nice, think
about the work of the prior pope. Okay, so Donald

(10:53):
or the pope. I don't mean to create another digititis
or dichotomy. But in essence, if you do need A
and B, there you have A and B. So reflect
on that at some point. I uh, I think that's important. Okay, Uh,

(11:15):
let's see. Uh. Let's go to the uh first image.
Mm hmm. Now I bring this up to you. Let

(11:40):
me come bring something else just one second. Mm hmmm
mm hmm good good, Okay, Uh, let me take you

(12:00):
through a few notes and we hope this will help
a bit. Let's go back and start as a preamble
to this image. And this image, in essence, is one

(12:22):
I used is very important in tipping points. Remember I
talked about tipping points. Tipping points are a little bit
like the definition of entropy that once you tip, you
may well trip. When you trip, it may be irreversible,
just like entropy is. And so, in essence, this period

(12:44):
of time that I spent on mid delayed sixties in
Vietnam and warfare seams should have been quite important relative
to my behavior. My idea is my verbiage, my attitude,
and so keep in mind this comment, which became somewhat

(13:05):
of a noteworthy comment during Vietnam after the nineteen sixty
eight period when I made it, and in fact from
seventy one till seventy five, the Vietnam episode was done.
In essence, I bring this up because yesterday there are
major programs about fifty years since the end of Vietnam,

(13:29):
and this is a rather important comment that many used
as an argument for ending Vietnam. We the unwilling, led
by the unqualified, to kill the unfortunate eye for the ungrateful.
This can be used on some soldiers dog tags in
the seventies as well as this is the back of

(13:51):
a lighter produced for soldiers in Vietnam. Okay, we could
drop this and go back to me. Unfortunately, sorry, not
such a handsome view. But it's not my fault, right,
it's my parent's fault. Can't be my fault. Anyway, Let's

(14:12):
go back in time a little bit before the Vietnam
episode when I made such a comment, and how in
the world can that comment be attributed to being nice.
I do think it was nice. It's just often people
don't look at my humors being that nice. I think

(14:33):
it's nice. Anyway. Let's go back to nineteen forty eight.
In nineteen forty eight, I was four years old. My
father accused me of criticizing industrial agriculture, and I did
that when we were gardening on a site near the
house in Iowa, and kept asking why were humans at

(14:55):
war with nature? He got increasingly upset with that question.
He thought industrialization was a way to manage nature, not
to kill off nature, and that nature certainly needed to
be managed. Then we moved on to nineteen forty nine.
A year later, and forty nine, I was somehow considered

(15:20):
attractive by an uncle who sexually molested me. Interesting was
that he was a very devout Christian, a main member
in the local Christian church. Thus I went to his mother,
my grandmother, and combat on what he had done and why.

(15:42):
I thought it was rather bad, But is this what
I should expect in life? And she, in essence asked
me to just shut up, let it go. He is
in discussions with God, just now, don't interrupt those discuss Essians.
So I learned from grandmother not to bring up anything

(16:05):
important to she or the uncle or other people in
that church. I moved on, moved on to nineteen fifty one.
Fifty one, I was seven years old, and my father
felt that it was time to become a real haired
hard man. That's the whole reason for having children, particularly boys,

(16:27):
because they're cheap hired men. So when I was seven,
he began to have me driving tractors around the fields,
on roads and wherever, because I could sort of understand
how to do it, and he certainly needed it. And
my brother, who was two years older, he had already
been doing it, so I was introduced to extensive use

(16:51):
of industrialization and tractors. That takes us up to nineteen
fifty four, when I began with the job given by
my father of milking cows. Of course, we had no machines,
so they were milked by hand. There were quite a
few at the time, about a dozen. Most important thing

(17:11):
about milking the cows and the discipline it developed in me,
meaning obedience to the father, was that I had to
milk them at five am and five pm each day.
Based on that, I had no social life because that's
normally when children would meet each other and do other things.
So day after day after day, no social life. This

(17:36):
takes us up to nineteen fifty seven. In essence. In
nineteen fifty seven, I was removed from my church for
upsetting Sunday school teachers, which I've mentioned before, and so
there was an essence sort of like an excommunication, although
as a Presbyterian church not Catholic. What was cited in

(17:58):
the session of the whole church against me was that I,
with my brother's help, had argued for a female God.
We were sort of tired of the idea of the
male everything, so we wanted our God to be more
like mother, not like Father. In addition, I had raised

(18:19):
the combat of was Jesus gave with these twelve buddies
around him all the time, closely around him. So in
addition to a feminine God, how could we explain Jesus
in the twelve men? He insisted on being around and
rubbing against all day. Anyway, the church was very upset

(18:42):
with both issues, and many more we were kicked out,
never to return. This takes us from fifty seven up
to sixty one. In nineteen sixty one, the state of
Iowa and the Isaac Walton League of America gave me
the Youth Conservation Award for Care of Nature. At least

(19:03):
that's what the plaque said. It had to do with
what I mentioned once before, a very large, beautiful tree
next to a stream filled with the most gorgeous birds
I have ever seen then or since. Anyway, they were
going to cut down the tree so the water could
run through faster, because the people thought water should run faster,

(19:27):
and the tree was interrupting it. Nature was in the way. Anyway,
I found a way of taking pictures, giving lectures, arguing,
getting put in the newspaper to save that tree and
to save that nesting place for the birds. Eventually I
did get the tree saved. The township, the county gave up,

(19:52):
not without some disgust and certainly some signs of hatred.
But anyway, I got an award for that, which I
still didn't understand. The next year I got an award
for soil and water conservation management for the State of Iowa,
and that had to do with how to treat the land,

(20:12):
to try to save nature and not do battle. So
I wrote a lot, give a lot of lectures relative
to what do we do about treating nature as a partner,
as the context for life, not as something to conquer
or as a minimum manage. And somehow a lot of people,

(20:33):
at least in the capital of the state, enjoyed my
comments and my work. Then I also became the local
president of the Future Farmers of America, and therein I
did battle with the university. I'm sorry, with the high
school administration because, as they mentioned before, they had this
competition where each Monday morning, students would bring in bags

(20:57):
of animal heads, tails, legs, parts to show they had
killed the pest and vermin of the county to make
the county a better place. In those aspects of nature
were considered a pest an enemy of humans in the county,

(21:18):
and I opposed that directly strongly. I once pointed out
that some of the heads look a lot like dogs
and cats, and the principal responded, yes, but they can
be pesky too, And then I commented, what happens if
I think high school administration is peski? Can I bring

(21:41):
their heads in in a bag? Of course, that did it.
I was banned from all college preparatory courses for the
rest of my career. In high school, I was punished
by BNAD to sit in the library and read books,
which were extremely helpful, particularly book books on physics. That

(22:02):
was my introduction to thermodynamics and to discovering the interview law.
That was in nineteen sixty two. Fantastic anyway, nineteen sixty three,
the next year, I left my twenty six Jersey cows
and by then we had real milking machines, went away
and entered Iowa State University and I went there. Now,

(22:26):
this is quite important that I tend to learn most
from those that I dislike the most, what they say
and what they think. Somehow, I'm attracted to people that
I dislike what they're thinking and saying because I know
I won't be doing that based on meeting them. So,
for example, an uncle that I'm not the one involved

(22:47):
in the sexual proclivity back when I was for but
a different uncle, but quite a mean uncle in essence,
gave me a lecture, do not go to college. I'm
too dumb to go to college. If I go to college,
do not go to Iowa State because it's only for
very smart people. If I go to Iowa State, do

(23:07):
not study electrical engineering because it is very hard. It's
the hardest subject at the university, and you would never
make it. So anyway, based on that, I of course
had to go to Iowa c University. I had to
go to college, and it had to be electrical engineering
because I looked in the eyes of this person telling

(23:28):
me what to do and felt that he had no
damned idea of what he was talking about. So I
must do that to see if he was right or wrong.
So I went off to Iowa State and entered electric engineering.
And as I mentioned before, since my family had no
money and I had no money, I got a job
with UPS loading trucks at night, about an hour away

(23:51):
in Des Moines, Iowa from the university. So every night
I worked for UPS, and every day I tried to
stay awake in classes, even though I was accused of
dozing off frequently. University's tough, right, especially when you pay
for everything yourself. Then we go on to one of

(24:12):
my more important moments at Iowa State University, first semester
and physics. During the lecture, an instructor asked if there's
any questions from of one hundred and fifty students before
we begin, and I ask if he's going to explain entropy?
What he talks about thermodynamics. He looked at me quite

(24:35):
miffed a little upset, and said, no, we will not
be talking about entropy. The course is too important. We
have no time to waste on such junk. So any
more questions. Anyway, I kept asking questions throughout the semester,
and indeed I did flunk his course. He was quite

(24:56):
angry for each time we met anything I would ask.
But I learned by that that this person seemed not
to know anything about entropy, in essence was pointing to
a very important subject, one I would spend a lot
of time in. It's a good clue as to human behavior.
We went on to nineteen sixty four, when I had

(25:21):
joined the Air Force ROTC because they paid a bit
and I didn't have to work quite as much at ups.
And I think I mentioned before about the reason I
was kicked out of Air Force ROTC at a major
reception having to do with older students. In essence, they

(25:41):
were called leaders at the time, I called them assholes.
They in essence were being very mean to underclassmen, teaching
them about hierarchy, teaching them why they had to obey.
So we had to walk around campus with a bag
taxedure Tommy filled with presence and candy for these upper

(26:03):
classmen to take. And if it wasn't the right candy,
we had to do sit ups, put up push ups
whatever on campus middle the walkway to show how low
we were and how high they were. And of course
I did something that ended up getting many of them
quite sick and some even put in the hospital. Relative

(26:24):
to what I did for our treats. Keep in mind,
I and my partner, one of the only black students
on campus, my best friends at I always state, we
indeed explained to them, be very careful of those pills.
Those I'm sorry, those pieces of candy. Some can be

(26:44):
quite dangerous for some people. Based on our warning, they
ate even more and got even more sick. Thereafter they
changed that routine, but of course we were kicked out,
And I mentioned nineteen six I switched from engineering into

(27:06):
architectural engineering, having mostly to do with going into a
hallway where a lecturer was lecturing on the importance of
rough concrete exposed concrete to control humans. He really disliked
humans and did not think we should nurture humans and
life and genmo was the enemy of architecture. We needed

(27:29):
to do away with life. So listening to that lecture,
if my God, I have arrived, this is fantastic. I've
never hated someone as much as I hate this person.
So I joined architecture in order to do battle with him.
The fact that I in assets changed curricula I was

(27:50):
the basis for my draft board giving me a letter
saying that changing to a five year program from four
will not defer you in another year. Therefore you will
be drafted after four years. Regardless, I commented in a
very stupid way I mentioned before. I said something in

(28:11):
the order of fuck, you take me now if you
want to no illegally. They could not. Illegally. They took
me and I went away. So in nineteen sixty six,
two weeks later, I had to report to the army.
Let's take a break.

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Speaker 2 (32:59):
Sore back to the Vietnam image. So, in essence, yes,
this seems to continue the story I've been going through
annual reviews for the previous part of the session. But
in essence, this was somewhat important. Also, keep in mind

(33:22):
that before I went off to Vietnam, I was given
a two week leave to go get my papers in order.
In that an awful lot of soldiers going to Vietnam
did not return alive, so they gave us two weeks
to put things in order. So during that time I

(33:42):
decided to do some research. Iike research. Research means to
search again and see for the first time. Research. Anyway,
I collected several girlfriends during the two weeks, and I
went off then to Vietnam. The reason I collected several

(34:02):
girlfriends is because I've heard that many wives and many
girlfriends tend to leave their loved one while he's in Vietnam,
but they just don't want to deal with the trauma
of someone in Vietnam and not knowing if they're going
to live or die or whatever. So I collected several
girlfriends which we would write to each other. But my

(34:23):
real mission was to see how long they stuck with me,
how long they wrote, and of course they didn't know
of each other. The first one left me the second
day I had arrived in Vietnam. I got one of
those dear John letters saying I still love you, but
I just can't write you anymore because it's too difficult.

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Within a month, all of the girlfriends had left me,
and I collected all their letters and put up on
a wall for the other soldiers to see what they
can expect. Anyway, I became known in the company for
doing things like that, so at least we could discuss

(35:05):
their life in Vietnam and what they would lose by
being there. In nineteen sixty six I was in Vietnam.
The first month I was a tunnel rap roaming around
in tunnels not far from the capital city. Anyway, during
that time I learned of claustrophobia and became extremely claustrophobic.

(35:28):
They took me out of the tunnel job and set
me up to what I was supposed to have with
helicopters because I'd gone to helicopter school. So I went
to the northern edge of Vietnam and joined a company
of helicopter people. From sixty six to sixty eight, I
did what might best be called negotiations with humans and hell,

(35:50):
it was quite a period. In sixty eight, I was
charged with disobedience by a commanding officer during the Tet
offensive north of Denay. That's the one that this image
was about. After they presented a couple of hours of
evidence against me, where if you recall, I had been

(36:11):
ordered by a captain to shoot at civilians leaving over
the horizon from the battle, and almost all of them
were women and children, and I refused to shoot them,
and then I went on to tell the captain that
I would prefer shooting him, that it would make me
feel better and make the world a better place if

(36:33):
I could shoot him. So maybe he took off running,
I'd shoot him. Anyway. I was charged with disobedience and
threatening to a commanding officer. We had a trial. At
the end of two hours of them presenting evidence of
how bad I was, I made this one sentence comment
which is the one at the top of the image,

(36:54):
and based on that, the major and the other officers
with him found me not guilty and recommended me for promotion. Anyway,
in nineteen sixty eight, A few months later, I was
returned to Iowa and an essence out of the military.
They did not even want me in the reserve. At

(37:17):
that time. I joined a motorcycle gang and then the
gang convinced me and going back to Iowa State University
for a degree PowerPoint two. And then we get to
this important note we've talked about before called tipping points,

(37:40):
and indeed it's too late is a tipping point, and
it serves as a great example, but relative to life
on the planet, not just in terms of life of
an individual, but an essence tipping point, an essence and
society as we know it in essence encourages some with

(38:06):
their harsh responses to some even harsher circumstances and situations
and context. So, in essence, if you had really bad
leadership in s s Stamic, climate change begins to make
you think about the end of the Earth, end of
life on the Earth. And as more and more evidence

(38:27):
builds up, leadership more and more disappears. So when I
talked about the billionaire is going off to Mars and
Venus but then finding out that in essence, Venus was
uninhabitable at eight nine hundred degrees temperature based on carbon
dioxide in an atmosphere, and then they sort of drifted

(38:49):
back towards looking at Mars again. But in essence, those
with billion dollars are looking for ways to go to
another planet that they'll go to Hawaii. So there was
this community of many billionaires building facilities that were to
withstand climate change in Hawaii. But then there was a

(39:10):
large storm which filled in with water. So in essence,
the idea of it's too late, in fact, can encourage
leadership to get the hell out of the way. And
I mentioned as the ideal alternative we've long used in
my group and with my organization the idea of ancient

(39:32):
hunting party as a fantastic model for multiple humans. So,
in essence, the hunting party had no hierarchies, and in
essence was a way to escape from Plato's cave out
into nature and escape from the darkness of Plato's cave.
But no hierarchy means that whoever was most competent at

(39:57):
a subject area meaning tracking, shooting, in fixing an evening neal,
taking care of where you slept at night on the
hunting trip, whoever was best at that would be in charge.
No one would be in charge of all of it,
as we now have in organizations having one person in
charge of everything, such as the US government, say a

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person like Donald Trump in charge of the government. Well,
it leads to what you're getting to see day by day,
day by day and listen to in the news and
then watch other countries make much fun of America. Anyway,
the hunting party is something worth looking up, please do.

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Then we go on to this notion of me doing
studies before I graduated from Iowa State University from nineteen
sixty nine, I organized as a student a group of
students to go off to Yukatan and study the nature

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of environmental deterioration from human development, and what happened in
Yucatan in essence, would destroy the source of life for
humans in Yucatan. So we took a trip there. Next
image please and this was a note on the tipping

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points I didn't mention, but the image on the left
is a very sad image that is an image of
a very close girlfriend, maybe the closest girlfriend I ever
had in my life, and she'd being killed by people
that didn't appreciate me in Vietnam. And then on the

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right is in essence taking a group of students that
didn't want to be in class at Iowa State offer
a semester to Yukatan to learn about the Mayans and
learn about what happened to the Mayans because of how
they treated nature, but in essence it was an early
climate change example. And so back then I was moving

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well into the climate change in part because in Vietnam
the way that humans destroyed nature as well as each
other with napalm. In Yukatan, how the Mayans came to
destroy a huge tract of land just by how they
developed agriculture anyway, next image. And so then of course

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after my trip to Yukatan, I ranged for the trip
going off to take forty five students, not twenty two,
but forty five, the entire architecture class off to Europe
with me, where we'd hire teachers and wonder around Europe
trying to find what in the hell is Europe if anything,

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And so I would the instructors for our group, and
one of them was a person working in the Munich
Olympic Games competition. I hired him to be our teacher
and architecture. Based on that, he hired me to come
back after I graduated in seventy one from Iowa State
and worked for him. So this is that funny image
of some of the work I helped with in Germany.

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And this was to illustrate my interest in getting beyond
parallels that I was firmly opposed to cubes and boxes
as the Greeks invented and designed them, and very much
opposed to parallels in our environment because in nature there
were no parallels. Humans created parallels as a way of

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controlling people, locking them up, making them think a leader
was in charge. And so we designed a good share
of the basis for the Munich competition around elimination of parallels.
So I'm going to leave you with that, and next
time we're going to move on from Germany to the

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project that the leaders of Westminster Council in Genteral, London
had hired me because of the work on the Olympiad project,
because they wanted me to come and work in London
to get a new project that would redefine the British Empire.
So next time we start with the images of well

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maybe let's look it up just that we have time.
The next slide please, And this was the project they
wanted me to get built. This is the replacement of
Piccili Circus with roads going faster through Piccadilly, no pedestrians,

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all pedestrians, the underground in tunnels, a little bit like
the Tunnel Red episode, certainly like Plato's Cave episode, humans
would go underground so cars could go faster. What a
pile of At the time, I called shit, and I
did not want it to happen. I worked for it
not to happen for one year. Next image, and so

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I finally got it defeated. Not my just taking a
London wide vote where sixty percent didn't want it. But
I also put this image that I and a very
gifted artist in London at the time put together and
had put in Punch magazine, been put up in banners
around London. In essence, this is a monster which is squatting,

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over flying over piccularly circus, having forms the same shape
as I was trying to get approved or supposed to be.
Those forms are coming out of his or in onto
piccularly circus. This one the day the politicians bailed out,
pretended they never supported the change, went on and on,

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but the politicians did fire me. In essence, I went away,
and when we start, we're going to go pick up.
My failures lead to tremendous successes because there's always a person,
someplace in the audience or someplace in the context that
likes very much what I did. Because they consider it

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very ethical, and they're so happy that someone stood up
and said that was really crap you got rid of.
And now I'm hoping the same happens with our current
president of the United States in terms of more and
more people acting like me and standing up and saying
we have to oppose this crap. Anyway, next time, we'll

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move on to the gift I was given of going
to University of Pennsylvania essentially tuition free for three degrees
because of my work on this Pickoldy circus and this
cartoon character, which was in essence creating the bad circus.
So see you next week and we'll begin where left off.

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Thank you very much for tonight. Sorry we went a
bit over, but I want to get you ready for
the future after next week's session. Thanks much.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
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