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Speaker 1 (00:18):
What to do when it becomes too late for humans
to correct their behavior? Author researcher, professor, and climate change
expert David Hawk says such a question implies a need
for change, and herein an argument is presented that humans
believe in their own immortality, but a price is paid
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for support of that belief. Humans protect themselves from change
via culture, and it's implied changelessness. As summers bring intolerable
heat that increases and storms that eliminate insurance companies, humans
began to think of change. Please welcome the host of
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what to do when it becomes too late? David Hawk.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Ah, good afternoon, very nice to be here again. This
may well be our last session, so let me see
what I can do relative to taking you through somewhat
major points for me and finishing what we'd started last time.
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Please don't notice my nose, but it's approximately twice the
width that should be because that growth they removed from
inside of it. Seems you've gotten quite angry and is
growing more every day. So we must do something about
it to calm it down, maybe negotiate with it about
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life and things like that. But I believe it keeps
talking about entropy all the time, but I'm trying to
get it off that subject. Anyway, last time we talked
about me, we were at the port of the point
of the Bio where I had left England and I've
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been fired by Westminster Council because of my opposition to
Piccilly Circus redoing, and indeed Piccadilly Circus project was stopped.
But anyway, I got it successfully canned, killed, stopped. Then
of course they canned and stopped me and stepped me
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away went back to the farm briefly. But then as
part of that project I had mentioned, Edmund Bacon was
a person I hired as advisor, and then he wanted
me to come to University of Pennsylvania and be his
research assistant. And then that opened up a whole new
world which much of what follows came from that. So,
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for example, I went there in seventy two. In seventy four,
I completed degrees in architecture and city planning, and then
based on the work I did in those two degrees,
a professor in the Wharton School of Business, who I
guess was the leading professor at the time in Wharton,
he noticed my thesis in planning and architecture, and he
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came to meet with me because I was in one
of his classes and talked me into being part of
a new PhD program he was going to start in
system sciences, and so in seventy four I entered his
program and was very excited about it. That sort of
the world's who's who in system sciences and systems understanding
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was teaching or part of that program or somehow connected.
Gave me a salary and all my tuition was paid,
which was quite nice anyway. A year later, after I
finished the coursework, I moved back to Sweden because I
couldn't get funding in the US for an environmentally related project.
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And then I worked in Sweden at the Stockholm School
of Economics did things I've talked about before. I won't
go through those again anyway. In seventy eight, I then
returned to the US and returned to University of Pennsylvania
to try and finish up this PhD at the Wharton School.
And as I was doing that, I was offered a
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job to come and teach at Iowa State University at
least part time, if not full time, which I did
in seventy eight. In seventy nine while working at Iowa,
I completed my PhD back at the University of Pennsylvania
and in essence published a book out of it. Eighteen
eighty I did what many now consider a important deed,
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or at least an important companionship, that I and Carl
Sagan gave a joint lecture at the World Futures Conference,
and it dealt with the idea of cosmos and climate
change and how both relate to cosmic energy or the
second law thermodynamics to explain many things. Anyway, that was
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quite unforgettable as well as unpopular lecture at the conference,
so much so they removed the video from the conference
proceedings through the Future because they had trouble with his
idea of climate change. Anyway, we moved on, and Karl
and I were happy to give our presentation, and we
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moved on to other things. Then in nineteen eighty one,
I was fired at Iowa State University by the president.
In essence, he was quite angry with me teaching about
climate change in seventy nine eighty eighty one to students
in engineering and architecture because he warmly felt that was
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a hoax. I shouldn't be teaching it, I left and
went to a place called New Jersey Institute of Technology
and began to teach there, and in essence became an
associate dean in the Architecture School and got the school
to get its first accreditation, and then we reached out
and linked to many foreign based research projects. So from
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nineteen eighty three on I was working in and out
of many countries while I was living in northern New Jersey.
And because of all the funds raised by those various projects,
many millions of dollars, I became what was known was
the highest paid professor at j Even though I had
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started at what twenty seven a year, it soon went
up too, well over one hundred thousand, and of course
this made people unhappy. A bit later and two thousand
and five, I was asked to be dean of the
new School of Business because it was in trouble and
it looked like it's application to become accredited was going
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to be defeated and turned down, and so the new
provost too wanted an accreditation of the School of Business
as well as the board of trustees wanted the same,
asked me to temporarily be the dean to get the
school accredited, and which I did as a dean. They
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paid me a quarter of a million dollars a year
compared to the twenty seven thousand when I started. But
I thought the court of a million was too high,
so I set up a system where from two thousand
and five on until in essence, half of my salary
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would go to help pay tuition for students going through
other schools for graduate degrees. So I thought our students
was the best I've ever met, but I felt they
should get graduate degrees in a variety of places, not
stay in the same place. So I used half of
my salary to fund students going to other places. And
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because they had funding, then the schools they went to
tend to give them funding also, so quite a number
of students did very well. Anyway, power point two, let's
look at it. And during this process, all beginning with
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Edmund Bacon, beginning with my appearing there in nineteen seventy
two and in essence graduating with PhD in nineteen seventy nine,
I owed to Edmund Bacon. Edmund Bacon was a fantastic
person that tried to hide from being cheered, applauded, and praised.
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He would rather do good work than be praised about
it because he felt the others did it, not him
much in the character of Lao Zoo, not Confucius. As
we mentioned before, anyway, Bacon had much to do with
this scene that you're now looking at the saving of Philadelphia,
because many of the major decision makers were going to
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pull out of Philadelphia, which included CEOs of companies as
well as heads of the universities and major institutions, because
the town was really going away. So in essence, Edmund
Macon asked me to help him work in Philadelphia and
teach at the University of Pennsylvania. That was fantastic time.
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I really really appreciated it. Met a lot of students,
learned a lot of stuff next PowerPoint please. And in
my work there I encountered many fantastic students and many
fantastic people. Zeihan I have mentioned before the lady in
the left, a great author, a great person. She was
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a student in one of my classes at MJT, and
as I mentioned before, she and I became best friends
in fifteen minutes after she entered the class. She was fantastic.
I talked more about her previously. I won't go into
it again anyway. Another of her close friends was Ning Ning,
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who is CEO of China Construction in Essence, which came
to be a three hundred billion dollar a year company.
He also joined the board of overseers for the business
school I was dean of, and so we had an
overboard for the new School of Business that was far
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berrier to the trustees for the total university. And then
when I was fired by the president for some sort
of wrongdoing, Ning and the rest all resign from the
board and they went back to sort of humble, low
level servants that wanted to put that in a resume,
but seldom came to meetings. Ning certainly was there and
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was very important. And yeah, the work I was allowed
to do with NGT allowed me to meet some really
great people in allowed me to work outside the US
at many other countries and universities. Next, sorry, I'm talking
a bit fast, but we have a few to get through.
And this is a sort of a typical group I
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worked with at Shanghwa University as well as ze Young University,
and some place in there is a picture of the
person that invented the new approach to artificial intelligence that
you heard about two months ago, and I talked about
a bit. But these are some of my typical students
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at chang Wa and surrounding universities that I really enjoyed
being with, enjoyed teaching and taught them about the things
listed here, especially business as unusual, the importance of entropy,
the importance of climate change, and also, as they claim,
the importance of humor. Next image please.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And so.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
One of my supposedly lecture attendees when I was in
the southern part of China was this Liyang Wing thing.
He was the founder of what is now called deep Seek,
the new approach to artificial intelligence, which costs six percent
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as the American approach or shall we say, the Apple
Google approach and use a six percent as much energy
to run. And in an interview done in China, he
pointed out that he thanks me for three of the
comments I raised in my lectures, which he found to
be basic to what they were doing. And I had
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mentioned these before. I won't go into them, but business
as unusual is fantastic if you're going to start a
new company. Business as usual means you'll go out of business.
And of course climate change and entropy were very important
to him, as well as unusual businesses, and of course,
last but not least, the incredible importance of open source
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so you can negotiate with order and not have legal order. Okay,
why don't we take a break now for a commercial break,
and then we'll come back with the the next slide.
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Speaker 2 (17:15):
Okay, the previous people I showed pictures of were examples
of people that I thought very highly of, and they
did very well before, during, and after we met. So
there's quite a crew, including the new inventor of deep Seek,
as well as the person that developed a three hundred
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billion dollars a year company that's in fifty nine countries
and is the world's leader relative to dealing with climate
change for the future when there's less air travel and
more high speed rail travel. Nonetheless, those are great people,
and I'm still in touch with them and really like them.
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Then we have this other person you're looking at which
is a relative, So be careful of relatives. This is
my relative that lives on the East Coast called Daniel.
He has He and I have talked about business as unusual,
and so this is what he interprets as an unusual
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way to do business as usual. And so this is
his argument with me. Fantastic picture. He's not joking. This
is not meant to be a joke. He and his
crowd often dress up like this and have parties. Anyway,
we'll move on from the usual. Let's go to the
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next PowerPoint. So, in essence, we have this idea of
entropy that I'd like to leave you with. For me,
entropy is a very important phenomena. In another few years,
I think you'll find it as one of the most
important phenomenas that's in the news, around the news and
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around people trying to understand what the hell's going on
in the cosmos, the solar system, on our planet, in
our communities, and so entropy will be a very important term.
And for those humans that want to be in charge
and powerful, you see them creating visualization of entropy all
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over the place. And I showed you this image before
that in essence, this is an entropic personality we're looking
at and how we live as you're thinking about it
in the future, keep in track, keep in mind these
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four different ideas. The zero law is there is a game.
First law, you can't win, you can't win an entropy.
Second law, you must lose even more in fact, then
you can't win. And the third law is you can't quit.
And so in essence, this will be the key to
understanding climate change and what to do when it's too
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late with climate change. Let's go on to the next PowerPoint.
In addition, this is of course quite consistent and this
brings is very close to the notion of neg entropy
and how and why humans prefer neg entropy. Most advertising
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is nag entropy, All politics is neg entropy, Most of
what takes place in the court room is meg entropy.
It's it's a very important phenomena which is the major
driver of climate change. Climate change proceeds vis the entropy regardless,
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but human's emphasis on neg entropy is what pushes it
much faster and further. And this is a little cartoon
which gets the essence of how humans do this, and
I think you can read this yourself. But an essence,
it gets to one of the great contradictions and how
we live, and this is one of hundreds of not thousands,
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which define how we live and why it's a problem
anyway humans. Yeah, there's something. Let's go into the next
and of course, in summary on that point, remember we
talked about tipping points, and this very important one of
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the AMOC having to do with the Atlantic Ocean gradually slowing, slowing, slowing,
and as it slows, the weather will get tougher and
tougher and not be moved around the way it normally is.
It will stay in place and be generate some pretty
horrible storms and some pretty fragile places. And that's particularly
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noticeable as we approach two degree temperature rise globally. Now
we're a bit over one point five degree, and yeah,
it's a tough time. And yeah, let's go on to
the next. Now we arrive at our book, and this
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is our book, which finally has appeared. This is a
picture of the cover. I got my first such picture today.
So as of yesterday it became for sale, a for
sale item in some of the bookshops and in most
of the online systems. So in essence, you can see
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the climate is changing, leading to the question ken humans
and I think this image, even though it's a bit sad,
as you look at it longer, it gets depressed of
the overhead incredibly horrible storm and down below humans just
driving around looking for themselves. Can they change? Can they
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stop doing that? Chances are probably not. Anyway, this is
the book that you all have helped me with, and
this is the book that was written during the year
that this course is unfolded, so the book Dog exists.
It's a little bit expensive, upper teens for paperback, about
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twenty four dollars or so for the hardback. That's mostly
because it's over four hundred pages long. Sorry for it
being so long. Anyway, keep this book in mind because
you had much to do with creating this book, and
I thank you very much for your role. Move on
to the next and now a number of you Since
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last time, I've asked, how do I pay for all this?
How do I pay for my life? How do I
do all these things like produce books, sell books, but
never take any money from selling the books. It always
goes to charity. Or if I get a quarter of
a million a year for being a dean? How can
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I give away half of that money each year to
pay for students tuition, etc. Etc. Or presently I have
quite a lot of money in stocks and bonds, but
I don't take any of it. I give it away
to people in need in various places. So how can
I do that? So I'm going to show you three
slides of how I do it and why. It's sort
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of the essence of my enjoyment in life. This is
that place in nineteen eighty one in Maplewood, New Jersey
that I bought that was going to be torn down,
that I decided to buy it to keep this Dutch
colonial nineteen eighteen house from the and torn down and
turned into a revived house, one that can negotiate with entropy.
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So during part of the process of rebuilding, this is
what my back driveway looked like. So I think I
had three events with a pile like this in my
back driveway. Yeah, it implies a lot of work, and
it was. It took fifteen years to do all this,
but I really enjoyed it, and I would encourage more
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of you to do the same. This is a house
that I bought for ninety four thousand. Next image. Then
after rebuilding it. Yeah, it is me. After I rebuilt it,
then I had some images like the next let's go
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on to the next PowerPoint, And this is an image
from the inside. It was a fantastic inside for fifteen years.
Of course, I had plenty of time to make it fantastic.
But these are special countertop stones from South America that
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are incredibly nice. I like them because it looked like
coffee spills all over. They were fantastic. The wood is
brought in from upstate New York. The cabinets were built
here on the site in essence, and of course, as
I always do, the floors are always laid at a diagonal.
I don't know how to lay straight floors. I'm not
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that smart, I guess so anyway, this is an image
of going from the pantry into the kitchen. This is
very typical of the total house. It might be worth
noting that bought it for ninety four I sold it
for nine hundred thousand to someone moving from New York
who really really wanted it. But as soon as they
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bought it turned it over to a builder to bring
it up to date because they thought it was a
bit ancient. And what the builder did is repaint all
these shelves, rip out the countertop because it looked like
coffee stains, redo the floor, redo the windows, and I
think they spent half a million with the contractor to
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make it look excuse the term, look like shit. And
so it became a horrible place of the period, looked
just like the neighbors which looked like shit. So based
on this, when I resold my next house, the one
I showed you, the one where the illustrator Wizard of
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Oz was living when he did the illustrations for that book, that,
in essence, I wanted to save that nineteen eighty i'm sorry,
eighteen eighty eighteen thirty six house from western New Jersey.
I wanted to make sure it didn't go to somebody
like this. So in that case, the house was worth
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a million and a half when I was done, but
I sold it to a good man who would make
a community center out of it for half price seven
hundred and fifty thousand, and then I even loaned him
two hundred thousand because he didn't have seven hundred and
fifty thousand, and high reigned for him to have a
mortgage at two point five percent to make sure he
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could do it because he wasn't very rich. And that
house only gets better and better because I, in essence
invested money in it, which of course I won't get
out except by visiting that wonderful house. This house was
destroyed because I guess I went for the money of
nine hundred thousand pity. Next image. Then we leave this
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and head back to Iowa, and now we arrive in
some meaningful context, at least meaningful for the cows, maybe
for me. And so a switch back to a meaningful
context was very important for me, and based on that,
I began to rethink what we mean by learning, how
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to learn and how to deal when it's too late
with climate change. So, in essence, next image, please, So,
in essence, this became my context, which is the one
you're now looking at, or a part of it. This
is part of my five thousand book library, which I
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really really adore and really use extensively. And a lot
of groups have meetings for one night to five days
in this house to spend time in the library and
go through the books. The books are really quite popular.
Even though nobody reads anymore, the people that come there
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tend to be captivated by all these selfish, so they
sit around and read. The context is very important, is
very important. And I've been here for almost ten years now,
back on the farm, dealing with how to deal with
change next image please, And this I mentioned last time
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that a number of truisms seemed to be coming out
of all this work, and in essence, this notion of
what does too early too late mean? In essence, it's
a bit of a contradiction, and I would tell you
maybe to go easy on it, and also I would
go easy on things whether you should sleep or be
(30:38):
stressed because it's too late, or should you simply abandon
one and two and go on to the notion three,
which is to get beyond the opposites, ditch the bipolar,
ditch the digital, and move on to something else. And
that's something else that I'm now working on and dealing
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with it environmental agencies and a number of countries as
well as in a number of companies, to move on
from items one and two, to go for both plus
more so, in essence, in the US, that would mean
you would accept the Republicans, accept the Democrats, and now
seek the more. The more combines the other two in
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a different way, and then you go on to something more,
something more significant, something more helpful. And this dimensional talk
that I've mentioned two or three times, dimension five, which
I'm writing about, has to do with the more and
the access to the more. So from the fifth dimension
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you look back at the fourth, which is entropy. Beyond that,
you look back at the third, which is nature or
mother nature, whereas the fourth was father time. Then you
go back to the second dimension, which is flat land,
and below that is a line. You evaluate each end
of the line, who has more people. You go down
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to a point, and the zeros dimension is a point
which politicians love, lawyers love. So you stand on your
point and seek power, seek fame, seek money, whatever. But
in my nude book, I'm going in some detail in
one hundred and fifty pages, as well as much humor,
on what both blessed more means and how you can
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predict what a person's going to say based on the
dimension they stand in. Good, let's go on next. Good.
Maybe we take another break, now, another set of ads,
then we will come back to the non rational.
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diagnose the brain and is smaller than a single human hair.
What if you could see in inside the brain to
help an epilepsy patient during surgery or to help the
fight against Parkinson's disease. Doctor Patricia Brodrick is proud to
announce the Broaderick Probe, a biomedical and electronic breakthrough imagine
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a probe to help with the understanding and potential cure
of brain related diseases. To learn more, listen live to
the Easy Sense radio show with host Doctor Brodrick Wednesday's
seven pm Eastern on the Bold Brave Media Network and
tune in radio. And to help support the Broaderick Foundation,
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please go to easysense dot com and learn how, with
your help we can fight these horrific brain disorders. That's
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Broderick Foundation. Author, radio show host and coach John M.
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Hawkins reveals strategy to help gain perspective, build confidence, find clarity,
achieve goals. John M. Hawkins' new book Coached to Greatness
Unlock Your Full Potential with Limitless Growth, published by I Universe,
Hawkins reveals strategies to help readers accomplish more. He believes
(36:18):
the book can coach them to greatness. Hawkins says that
the best athletes get to the top of their sport
with the help of coaches, mentors, and others. He shares
guidance that helps readers reflect on what motivates them. We
discover and assess their core values, philosophies and competencies, find
settings that allow them to be the most productive, and
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track their progress towards accomplishing goals. Listen to John hawkins
My Strategy Saturdays one pm Eastern on the BBM Global
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Now we more or less arrive at the conclusion of
all these sessions and the idea of what to do
when it's too late. In essence, we arrive at one
of my favorite subjects, which is music. It's my favorite
because I had this idea I keep talking about of
the difference between the rational, non rational, and irrational, where
(37:43):
I argue that the rational represents about five to ten
percent of reality in the world, non rational represents sort
of eighty to ninety percent of the world, and the
irrational is another five percent created by the rational trying
to make non rational more rational. And so to avoid that,
(38:04):
music is a fantastic way to move on to something else.
And so in part this came to me when I
returned from Vietnam and I was quite a mess. I
really didn't want to go on, and I joined a
motorcycle gang and lived in their house where a local
(38:25):
DJ who was part of the gang played Bob Dylan
twenty four hours a day. And so the Bob Dylan
music really got to me and finally began to straighten
me out. And then later on songs like Leonard Cohen's
that emphasized the notion of as he died to make
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things holy, let us die to make men free, and
that was taken out of the Battle Hymn the Republic
from eighteen sixty one taken out in twenty sixteen by
Leonard Cohen, and Steer Your Way, and those became fantastic
non rational expressions that explain much. And so I'm really
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encouraging people, students, friends, relative to listen to more music,
and listen carefully to music to begin to understand the
context of the non rational. And so the ones that
I particularly recommend you take a look at. You might
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start with The Man at the Top, Bruce Springsteen's song
where he talks about the hierarchy of those at the
top and those further down, and in essence, he apparently
hates the hierarchy even more than I do. So his
critique of the Man at the Top is quite fantastic,
incredibly insightful, worth listening to. Did not do well, but
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these days it means a lot to a lot of people.
Then after you've listened to that, you move on to
Bruce Springsteen's Jack of All Trades, and people in my
house I forced them to listen to Jack of All
Trades several times. When you listen to it, you'll understand fantastic,
fantastic song about now and the hierarchy of people just
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now between the rich and the poor, or as he
talks about the fat and the thin, the bankers are fat,
the workers are thin. The bankers use the used. Sorry,
the thin make de with the used, while they make
the new for the fat rich, on and on. So
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please listen to Jack of All Trades. And then if
you want to see a really exciting video, look at
the one called Everybody Hurts Byram. The one you want
is the nineteen ninety five performance the National Bowl in
Milton Keynes, England. Look up Everybody Hurts Byram And in
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that case, everyone is driving a car on the highway
which gets bottlenecked, stopped, and people sitting there with the
normal expressions of where do we go? What do we do?
And eventually they get out and start walking. Fantastic song
relative to climate change, what to do when It's too late?
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I hope you enjoy that song. And then fourth, going
back to Bob Dylan, I would recommend his relatively new
song of Death is not the End. Then that introduces
us to the fifth dimension that I talk about. Fantastic
song by Dylan, And then if you hadn't had enough,
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I would warmly encourage you to go on and listen
to Peter Gabriel and his fantastic song Beacle having to
do with what to do with leadership in South Africa.
In case you didn't know it, Beacle was a student
within a medical school, study to be a doctor, and
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he began to lead protests against the show we say,
the White government more or less from England that was
ruling South Africa. And of course he got locked up
and then somehow he was found murdered in his cell
because he had been too noisy. And so Beicle is
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quite a sad song, but also a good basis for
optimism relative to what was done in South Africa to
get rid of what I call leadership others had called
bad leadership. And as we talk about the US and
its future, that actually is a rather good song for
you to contemplate. Okay, those are five songs that I
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hope you can find will give you some help relative
to what to do when it's too late, how to
deal with it's too late. But last, but not least
I've mentioned this before is when it is too late,
the best thing you can do is be nice. So
I encourage you to consider what it means to be nice,
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and being nice is quite crucial, quite something. When things
get really, really ugly, being nice is really really important.
As opposed to the leadership we watch they get uglier.
When things get ugly, you do not see nice things
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come from them, and it does seem to be intentional
to be less nice with time by them, So keep
it in mind. Been a great pleasure to be with
you for the last year plus some months. And if
you have commentswer questions, please do send them to me
(44:03):
at David el Hawk at gmail dot com or go
on LinkedIn and leave comments on LinkedIn. I tend to
go there every day taking a look at LinkedIn. The
other places I tend not to go to so much
related to Yahoo and on and on and on. I
(44:26):
tend to get between one hundred and two hundred emails
a day and have trouble getting to them, let alone
all those offshoots. So if you get a chance, please
come visit me in Iowa. It would be a great
pleasure for me to meet you and I'll show you
a couple of books. Thanks very much. When you get
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a chance, take a look at the book I wrote
around this, called what called when the Climate Is When
Climate is Changing? Can Humans, or simply titled the Climate
is Changing? Come up ken humans? Thank you very much.
Hope to meet you sometime and not in the fifth dimension.
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Bye bye.
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eighty five percent are concerned with their being a human future.
They begin to sense that short term gains come at
a longer term price. Many are foregoing the idea of
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What to do when it becomes too late for humans
to correct their behavior? Author researcher, professor, and climate change
expert David Hawk says such a question implies a need
for change, and herein an argument is presented that humans
believe in their own immortality, but a price is paid
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for support of that belief. Humans protect themselves from change
via culture, and it's implied changelessness. As summers bring intolerable
heat that increases and storms that eliminate insurance companies, humans
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what to do when it becomes too late? David Hawk.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Ah, good afternoon, very nice to be here again. This
may well be our last session, so let me see
what I can do relative to taking you through somewhat
major points for me and finishing what we'd started last time.
(01:37):
Please don't notice my nose, but it's approximately twice the
width that should be because that growth they removed from
inside of it. Seems you've gotten quite angry and is
growing more every day. So we must do something about
it to calm it down, maybe negotiate with it about
(02:02):
life and things like that. But I believe it keeps
talking about entropy all the time, but I'm trying to
get it off that subject. Anyway, last time we talked
about me, we were at the port of the point
of the Bio where I had left England and I've
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been fired by Westminster Council because of my opposition to
Piccilly Circus redoing, and indeed Piccadilly Circus project was stopped.
But anyway, I got it successfully canned, killed, stopped. Then
of course they canned and stopped me and stepped me
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away went back to the farm briefly. But then as
part of that project I had mentioned, Edmund Bacon was
a person I hired as advisor, and then he wanted
me to come to University of Pennsylvania and be his
research assistant. And then that opened up a whole new
world which much of what follows came from that. So,
(03:05):
for example, I went there in seventy two. In seventy four,
I completed degrees in architecture and city planning, and then
based on the work I did in those two degrees,
a professor in the Wharton School of Business, who I
guess was the leading professor at the time in Wharton,
he noticed my thesis in planning and architecture, and he
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came to meet with me because I was in one
of his classes and talked me into being part of
a new PhD program he was going to start in
system sciences, and so in seventy four I entered his
program and was very excited about it. That sort of
the world's who's who in system sciences and systems understanding
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was teaching or part of that program or somehow connected.
Gave me a salary and all my tuition was paid,
which was quite nice anyway. A year later, after I
finished the coursework, I moved back to Sweden because I
couldn't get funding in the US for an environmentally related project.
(04:17):
And then I worked in Sweden at the Stockholm School
of Economics did things I've talked about before. I won't
go through those again anyway. In seventy eight, I then
returned to the US and returned to University of Pennsylvania
to try and finish up this PhD at the Wharton School.
And as I was doing that, I was offered a
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job to come and teach at Iowa State University at
least part time, if not full time, which I did
in seventy eight. In seventy nine while working at Iowa,
I completed my PhD back at the University of Pennsylvania
and in essence published a book out of it. Eighteen
eighty I did what many now consider a important deed,
(05:06):
or at least an important companionship, that I and Carl
Sagan gave a joint lecture at the World Futures Conference,
and it dealt with the idea of cosmos and climate
change and how both relate to cosmic energy or the
second law thermodynamics to explain many things. Anyway, that was
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quite unforgettable as well as unpopular lecture at the conference,
so much so they removed the video from the conference
proceedings through the Future because they had trouble with his
idea of climate change. Anyway, we moved on, and Karl
and I were happy to give our presentation, and we
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moved on to other things. Then in nineteen eighty one,
I was fired at Iowa State University by the president.
In essence, he was quite angry with me teaching about
climate change in seventy nine eighty eighty one to students
in engineering and architecture because he warmly felt that was
(06:12):
a hoax. I shouldn't be teaching it, I left and
went to a place called New Jersey Institute of Technology
and began to teach there, and in essence became an
associate dean in the Architecture School and got the school
to get its first accreditation, and then we reached out
and linked to many foreign based research projects. So from
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nineteen eighty three on I was working in and out
of many countries while I was living in northern New Jersey.
And because of all the funds raised by those various projects,
many millions of dollars, I became what was known was
the highest paid professor at j Even though I had
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started at what twenty seven a year, it soon went
up too, well over one hundred thousand, and of course
this made people unhappy. A bit later and two thousand
and five, I was asked to be dean of the
new School of Business because it was in trouble and
it looked like it's application to become accredited was going
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to be defeated and turned down, and so the new
provost too wanted an accreditation of the School of Business
as well as the board of trustees wanted the same,
asked me to temporarily be the dean to get the
school accredited, and which I did as a dean. They
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paid me a quarter of a million dollars a year
compared to the twenty seven thousand when I started. But
I thought the court of a million was too high,
so I set up a system where from two thousand
and five on until in essence, half of my salary
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would go to help pay tuition for students going through
other schools for graduate degrees. So I thought our students
was the best I've ever met, but I felt they
should get graduate degrees in a variety of places, not
stay in the same place. So I used half of
my salary to fund students going to other places. And
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because they had funding, then the schools they went to
tend to give them funding also, so quite a number
of students did very well. Anyway, power point two, let's
look at it. And during this process, all beginning with
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Edmund Bacon, beginning with my appearing there in nineteen seventy
two and in essence graduating with PhD in nineteen seventy nine,
I owed to Edmund Bacon. Edmund Bacon was a fantastic
person that tried to hide from being cheered, applauded, and praised.
(09:08):
He would rather do good work than be praised about
it because he felt the others did it, not him
much in the character of Lao Zoo, not Confucius. As
we mentioned before, anyway, Bacon had much to do with
this scene that you're now looking at the saving of Philadelphia,
because many of the major decision makers were going to
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pull out of Philadelphia, which included CEOs of companies as
well as heads of the universities and major institutions, because
the town was really going away. So in essence, Edmund
Macon asked me to help him work in Philadelphia and
teach at the University of Pennsylvania. That was fantastic time.
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I really really appreciated it. Met a lot of students,
learned a lot of stuff next PowerPoint please. And in
my work there I encountered many fantastic students and many
fantastic people. Zeihan I have mentioned before the lady in
the left, a great author, a great person. She was
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a student in one of my classes at MJT, and
as I mentioned before, she and I became best friends
in fifteen minutes after she entered the class. She was fantastic.
I talked more about her previously. I won't go into
it again anyway. Another of her close friends was Ning Ning,
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who is CEO of China Construction in Essence, which came
to be a three hundred billion dollar a year company.
He also joined the board of overseers for the business
school I was dean of, and so we had an
overboard for the new School of Business that was far
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berrier to the trustees for the total university. And then
when I was fired by the president for some sort
of wrongdoing, Ning and the rest all resign from the
board and they went back to sort of humble, low
level servants that wanted to put that in a resume,
but seldom came to meetings. Ning certainly was there and
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was very important. And yeah, the work I was allowed
to do with NGT allowed me to meet some really
great people in allowed me to work outside the US
at many other countries and universities. Next, sorry, I'm talking
a bit fast, but we have a few to get through.
And this is a sort of a typical group I
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worked with at Shanghwa University as well as ze Young University,
and some place in there is a picture of the
person that invented the new approach to artificial intelligence that
you heard about two months ago, and I talked about
a bit. But these are some of my typical students
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at chang Wa and surrounding universities that I really enjoyed
being with, enjoyed teaching and taught them about the things
listed here, especially business as unusual, the importance of entropy,
the importance of climate change, and also, as they claim,
the importance of humor. Next image please.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And so.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
One of my supposedly lecture attendees when I was in
the southern part of China was this Liyang Wing thing.
He was the founder of what is now called deep Seek,
the new approach to artificial intelligence, which costs six percent
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as the American approach or shall we say, the Apple
Google approach and use a six percent as much energy
to run. And in an interview done in China, he
pointed out that he thanks me for three of the
comments I raised in my lectures, which he found to
be basic to what they were doing. And I had
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mentioned these before. I won't go into them, but business
as unusual is fantastic if you're going to start a
new company. Business as usual means you'll go out of business.
And of course climate change and entropy were very important
to him, as well as unusual businesses, and of course,
last but not least, the incredible importance of open source
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so you can negotiate with order and not have legal order. Okay,
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Okay, the previous people I showed pictures of were examples
of people that I thought very highly of, and they
did very well before, during, and after we met. So
there's quite a crew, including the new inventor of deep Seek,
as well as the person that developed a three hundred
(17:38):
billion dollars a year company that's in fifty nine countries
and is the world's leader relative to dealing with climate
change for the future when there's less air travel and
more high speed rail travel. Nonetheless, those are great people,
and I'm still in touch with them and really like them.
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Then we have this other person you're looking at which
is a relative, So be careful of relatives. This is
my relative that lives on the East Coast called Daniel.
He has He and I have talked about business as unusual,
and so this is what he interprets as an unusual
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way to do business as usual. And so this is
his argument with me. Fantastic picture. He's not joking. This
is not meant to be a joke. He and his
crowd often dress up like this and have parties. Anyway,
we'll move on from the usual. Let's go to the
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next PowerPoint. So, in essence, we have this idea of
entropy that I'd like to leave you with. For me,
entropy is a very important phenomena. In another few years,
I think you'll find it as one of the most
important phenomenas that's in the news, around the news and
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around people trying to understand what the hell's going on
in the cosmos, the solar system, on our planet, in
our communities, and so entropy will be a very important term.
And for those humans that want to be in charge
and powerful, you see them creating visualization of entropy all
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over the place. And I showed you this image before
that in essence, this is an entropic personality we're looking
at and how we live as you're thinking about it
in the future, keep in track, keep in mind these
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four different ideas. The zero law is there is a game.
First law, you can't win, you can't win an entropy.
Second law, you must lose even more in fact, then
you can't win. And the third law is you can't quit.
And so in essence, this will be the key to
understanding climate change and what to do when it's too
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late with climate change. Let's go on to the next PowerPoint.
In addition, this is of course quite consistent and this
brings is very close to the notion of neg entropy
and how and why humans prefer neg entropy. Most advertising
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is nag entropy, All politics is neg entropy, Most of
what takes place in the court room is meg entropy.
It's it's a very important phenomena which is the major
driver of climate change. Climate change proceeds vis the entropy regardless,
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but human's emphasis on neg entropy is what pushes it
much faster and further. And this is a little cartoon
which gets the essence of how humans do this, and
I think you can read this yourself. But an essence,
it gets to one of the great contradictions and how
we live, and this is one of hundreds of not thousands,
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which define how we live and why it's a problem
anyway humans. Yeah, there's something. Let's go into the next
and of course, in summary on that point, remember we
talked about tipping points, and this very important one of
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the AMOC having to do with the Atlantic Ocean gradually slowing, slowing, slowing,
and as it slows, the weather will get tougher and
tougher and not be moved around the way it normally is.
It will stay in place and be generate some pretty
horrible storms and some pretty fragile places. And that's particularly
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noticeable as we approach two degree temperature rise globally. Now
we're a bit over one point five degree, and yeah,
it's a tough time. And yeah, let's go on to
the next. Now we arrive at our book, and this
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is our book, which finally has appeared. This is a
picture of the cover. I got my first such picture today.
So as of yesterday it became for sale, a for
sale item in some of the bookshops and in most
of the online systems. So in essence, you can see
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the climate is changing, leading to the question ken humans
and I think this image, even though it's a bit sad,
as you look at it longer, it gets depressed of
the overhead incredibly horrible storm and down below humans just
driving around looking for themselves. Can they change? Can they
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stop doing that? Chances are probably not. Anyway, this is
the book that you all have helped me with, and
this is the book that was written during the year
that this course is unfolded, so the book Dog exists.
It's a little bit expensive, upper teens for paperback, about
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twenty four dollars or so for the hardback. That's mostly
because it's over four hundred pages long. Sorry for it
being so long. Anyway, keep this book in mind because
you had much to do with creating this book, and
I thank you very much for your role. Move on
to the next and now a number of you Since
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last time, I've asked, how do I pay for all this?
How do I pay for my life? How do I
do all these things like produce books, sell books, but
never take any money from selling the books. It always
goes to charity. Or if I get a quarter of
a million a year for being a dean? How can
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I give away half of that money each year to
pay for students tuition, etc. Etc. Or presently I have
quite a lot of money in stocks and bonds, but
I don't take any of it. I give it away
to people in need in various places. So how can
I do that? So I'm going to show you three
slides of how I do it and why. It's sort
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of the essence of my enjoyment in life. This is
that place in nineteen eighty one in Maplewood, New Jersey
that I bought that was going to be torn down,
that I decided to buy it to keep this Dutch
colonial nineteen eighteen house from the and torn down and
turned into a revived house, one that can negotiate with entropy.
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So during part of the process of rebuilding, this is
what my back driveway looked like. So I think I
had three events with a pile like this in my
back driveway. Yeah, it implies a lot of work, and
it was. It took fifteen years to do all this,
but I really enjoyed it, and I would encourage more
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of you to do the same. This is a house
that I bought for ninety four thousand. Next image. Then
after rebuilding it. Yeah, it is me. After I rebuilt it,
then I had some images like the next let's go
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on to the next PowerPoint, And this is an image
from the inside. It was a fantastic inside for fifteen years.
Of course, I had plenty of time to make it fantastic.
But these are special countertop stones from South America that
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are incredibly nice. I like them because it looked like
coffee spills all over. They were fantastic. The wood is
brought in from upstate New York. The cabinets were built
here on the site in essence, and of course, as
I always do, the floors are always laid at a diagonal.
I don't know how to lay straight floors. I'm not
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that smart, I guess so anyway, this is an image
of going from the pantry into the kitchen. This is
very typical of the total house. It might be worth
noting that bought it for ninety four I sold it
for nine hundred thousand to someone moving from New York
who really really wanted it. But as soon as they
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bought it turned it over to a builder to bring
it up to date because they thought it was a
bit ancient. And what the builder did is repaint all
these shelves, rip out the countertop because it looked like
coffee stains, redo the floor, redo the windows, and I
think they spent half a million with the contractor to
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make it look excuse the term, look like shit. And
so it became a horrible place of the period, looked
just like the neighbors which looked like shit. So based
on this, when I resold my next house, the one
I showed you, the one where the illustrator Wizard of
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Oz was living when he did the illustrations for that book, that,
in essence, I wanted to save that nineteen eighty i'm sorry,
eighteen eighty eighteen thirty six house from western New Jersey.
I wanted to make sure it didn't go to somebody
like this. So in that case, the house was worth
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a million and a half when I was done, but
I sold it to a good man who would make
a community center out of it for half price seven
hundred and fifty thousand, and then I even loaned him
two hundred thousand because he didn't have seven hundred and
fifty thousand, and high reigned for him to have a
mortgage at two point five percent to make sure he
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could do it because he wasn't very rich. And that
house only gets better and better because I, in essence
invested money in it, which of course I won't get
out except by visiting that wonderful house. This house was
destroyed because I guess I went for the money of
nine hundred thousand pity. Next image. Then we leave this
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and head back to Iowa, and now we arrive in
some meaningful context, at least meaningful for the cows, maybe
for me. And so a switch back to a meaningful
context was very important for me, and based on that,
I began to rethink what we mean by learning, how
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to learn and how to deal when it's too late
with climate change. So, in essence, next image, please, So,
in essence, this became my context, which is the one
you're now looking at, or a part of it. This
is part of my five thousand book library, which I
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really really adore and really use extensively. And a lot
of groups have meetings for one night to five days
in this house to spend time in the library and
go through the books. The books are really quite popular.
Even though nobody reads anymore, the people that come there
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tend to be captivated by all these selfish, so they
sit around and read. The context is very important, is
very important. And I've been here for almost ten years now,
back on the farm, dealing with how to deal with
change next image please, And this I mentioned last time
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that a number of truisms seemed to be coming out
of all this work, and in essence, this notion of
what does too early too late mean? In essence, it's
a bit of a contradiction, and I would tell you
maybe to go easy on it, and also I would
go easy on things whether you should sleep or be
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stressed because it's too late, or should you simply abandon
one and two and go on to the notion three,
which is to get beyond the opposites, ditch the bipolar,
ditch the digital, and move on to something else. And
that's something else that I'm now working on and dealing
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with it environmental agencies and a number of countries as
well as in a number of companies, to move on
from items one and two, to go for both plus
more so, in essence, in the US, that would mean
you would accept the Republicans, accept the Democrats, and now
seek the more. The more combines the other two in
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a different way, and then you go on to something more,
something more significant, something more helpful. And this dimensional talk
that I've mentioned two or three times, dimension five, which
I'm writing about, has to do with the more and
the access to the more. So from the fifth dimension
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you look back at the fourth, which is entropy. Beyond that,
you look back at the third, which is nature or
mother nature, whereas the fourth was father time. Then you
go back to the second dimension, which is flat land,
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which politicians love, lawyers love. So you stand on your
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predict what a person's going to say based on the
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Now we more or less arrive at the conclusion of
all these sessions and the idea of what to do
when it's too late. In essence, we arrive at one
of my favorite subjects, which is music. It's my favorite
because I had this idea I keep talking about of
the difference between the rational, non rational, and irrational, where
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I argue that the rational represents about five to ten
percent of reality in the world, non rational represents sort
of eighty to ninety percent of the world, and the
irrational is another five percent created by the rational trying
to make non rational more rational. And so to avoid that,
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music is a fantastic way to move on to something else.
And so in part this came to me when I
returned from Vietnam and I was quite a mess. I
really didn't want to go on, and I joined a
motorcycle gang and lived in their house where a local
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DJ who was part of the gang played Bob Dylan
twenty four hours a day. And so the Bob Dylan
music really got to me and finally began to straighten
me out. And then later on songs like Leonard Cohen's
that emphasized the notion of as he died to make
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things holy, let us die to make men free, and
that was taken out of the Battle Hymn the Republic
from eighteen sixty one taken out in twenty sixteen by
Leonard Cohen, and Steer Your Way, and those became fantastic
non rational expressions that explain much. And so I'm really
(39:10):
encouraging people, students, friends, relative to listen to more music,
and listen carefully to music to begin to understand the
context of the non rational. And so the ones that
I particularly recommend you take a look at. You might
(39:31):
start with The Man at the Top, Bruce Springsteen's song
where he talks about the hierarchy of those at the
top and those further down, and in essence, he apparently
hates the hierarchy even more than I do. So his
critique of the Man at the Top is quite fantastic,
incredibly insightful, worth listening to. Did not do well, but
(39:56):
these days it means a lot to a lot of people.
Then after you've listened to that, you move on to
Bruce Springsteen's Jack of All Trades, and people in my
house I forced them to listen to Jack of All
Trades several times. When you listen to it, you'll understand fantastic,
fantastic song about now and the hierarchy of people just
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now between the rich and the poor, or as he
talks about the fat and the thin, the bankers are fat,
the workers are thin. The bankers use the used. Sorry,
the thin make de with the used, while they make
the new for the fat rich, on and on. So
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please listen to Jack of All Trades. And then if
you want to see a really exciting video, look at
the one called Everybody Hurts Byram. The one you want
is the nineteen ninety five performance the National Bowl in
Milton Keynes, England. Look up Everybody Hurts Byram And in
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that case, everyone is driving a car on the highway
which gets bottlenecked, stopped, and people sitting there with the
normal expressions of where do we go? What do we do?
And eventually they get out and start walking. Fantastic song
relative to climate change, what to do when It's too late?
(41:30):
I hope you enjoy that song. And then fourth, going
back to Bob Dylan, I would recommend his relatively new
song of Death is not the End. Then that introduces
us to the fifth dimension that I talk about. Fantastic
song by Dylan, And then if you hadn't had enough,
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I would warmly encourage you to go on and listen
to Peter Gabriel and his fantastic song Beacle having to
do with what to do with leadership in South Africa.
In case you didn't know it, Beacle was a student
within a medical school, study to be a doctor, and
(42:13):
he began to lead protests against the show we say,
the White government more or less from England that was
ruling South Africa. And of course he got locked up
and then somehow he was found murdered in his cell
because he had been too noisy. And so Beicle is
(42:34):
quite a sad song, but also a good basis for
optimism relative to what was done in South Africa to
get rid of what I call leadership others had called
bad leadership. And as we talk about the US and
its future, that actually is a rather good song for
you to contemplate. Okay, those are five songs that I
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hope you can find will give you some help relative
to what to do when it's too late, how to
deal with it's too late. But last, but not least
I've mentioned this before is when it is too late,
the best thing you can do is be nice. So
I encourage you to consider what it means to be nice,
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and being nice is quite crucial, quite something. When things
get really, really ugly, being nice is really really important.
As opposed to the leadership we watch they get uglier.
When things get ugly, you do not see nice things
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come from them, and it does seem to be intentional
to be less nice with time by them, So keep
it in mind. Been a great pleasure to be with
you for the last year plus some months. And if
you have commentswer questions, please do send them to me
(44:03):
at David el Hawk at gmail dot com or go
on LinkedIn and leave comments on LinkedIn. I tend to
go there every day taking a look at LinkedIn. The
other places I tend not to go to so much
related to Yahoo and on and on and on. I
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tend to get between one hundred and two hundred emails
a day and have trouble getting to them, let alone
all those offshoots. So if you get a chance, please
come visit me in Iowa. It would be a great
pleasure for me to meet you and I'll show you
a couple of books. Thanks very much. When you get
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a chance, take a look at the book I wrote
around this, called what called when the Climate Is When
Climate is Changing? Can Humans, or simply titled the Climate
is Changing? Come up ken humans? Thank you very much.
Hope to meet you sometime and not in the fifth dimension.
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Bye bye.
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They begin to sense that short term gains come at
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