August 13, 2021 • 48 mins
Maya Stojan once was a member of the Swiss National Golf team before playing for her college in the United States. Her transition from athlete to actor is a recipe to learn from. She sits to share with America's Podcaster, Kurt Caceres, what she feels are the three things that are necessary to make it in Hollywood. She talks about the resurgence of older actors in TV and Film, because they bring substance as opposed to youth and beauty. She worked with legends William Shatner and Christopher Lloyd in the film, Senior Moment. She divulges the key to shooting sex scenes in the business and truth behind the stigma. And finally, she shares her journey as a bi-sexual human being, living life in the shadows and secrets, until she finally revealed her truth at the time she married American Rugby legend, Todd Clever. The human spirit has no picture, and Maya Stojan is the epitome of transcendence.
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Ladies and gentlemen, please take yourseats. The show is about to begin.
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a funk here, we bring itin. We got your feeling it.
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We're not just starting this podcast witha little intro of a commercial. That's
not we roll. We care aboutour audience, our fans, our listeners.
And this is Kirkus Sarras is America'spodcast. Kirkus Saras on the podcast
watching them begin. Oh with myco host, you get me go breath,
Lauren Hughes. This is part twowith the amazing, fantastic, the
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ever lovely, beautiful, talented,so grounded, so down to earth.
But you already know that I'd behurt Part one Maya stoi Ya Yeah,
yeah, oh, I know everybody'sbeen away from park. Who we're gonna
go. I'm not gonna I'm notgonna waste it more time hard twos here
we'll see on the other side.Oh, but to answer your question about
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the sweet spot, I love portrayingpeople that are so different from myself.
I've played a lot of villains Igo figger, but um and to step
into the shoes of people like tohave the compassion to have the empathy to
really just dive into someone that's eithercommitted crime or someone that's cheated or I
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just played a horrendous human just amonth ago, where you know, she's
basically having an affair with her bestfriend's husband and and all of that.
And I shouldn't say horrendous human becausewe we've but what society considers a horrendous
person, right, and and andactually tapping into her, I've realized all
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the pain that was there, andit was one of those roles that was
kind of tough to get out ofeven after UM, but I just I
really enjoy it because that's what wedo, I think as actors, is
we empathize. And the more wecan really listen, the more we can
look at people and really just getwho they are. People don't listen enough.
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Yeah, that's and I don't meanthat's also half of acting right on
that topic totally, And I don'tmean the surface listening where it's like figuring
out a response or how to readto, but like actually take in the
person, what are they about?And I connecting right? That's not gonna
people connect, right, That's theproblem, and especially in this text what
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I was talking about earlier too.It's hard to connect with people in this
time. I have trouble connecting withpeople, but with you, instantly the
connection. I was like, whatan amazing human being. I'm sorry,
we're compliment you again. You saidabout the horrendous character you played earlier.
This is a great lesson because oneof the lessons as an actor is when
you you're not supposed to ever judgeyour character. For those listening now,
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so when you play a horrendous character, you're actually not supposed to feel horrendous.
And I never because because horrendous peopledon't like a serial killer doesn't feel
bad about him, No, ofcourse not. They believe what they're doing
wholeheartedly and by it really is.That's why I love playing those characters,
because you see the whole other sideof it, because because you don't judge,
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and I try to be that friendand friends often tell me that,
and jerrymy, hopefully you can vouchfor that. But I do not judge.
People could tell me I might justcheated on or I just murdered.
I'll be like, where's the body. I'll bury many memories, some stories
that most people would be like letme grab my shit and get out of
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here. And she's like, oh, brother, I love you hoodies.
Have you guys buried together? Judgethere is because that it's also our job
to not judge our characters. Andyou know, what society thinks is terrible
or horrendous, as I used,it's really we're all the same. We
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all come from the same place.We all have this need to be loved,
and you know, we all havea history and yeah, and it's
a great opportunity to actually show peoplethat you know, when you read the
paper, you get this, butwhen you take on a role, when
we take on a role, it'sa great opportunity to inform the public of
something that you know, like,oh, it's really her father, it
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was really his mother that did that, and we could be compassionate for this
human and even though what they've done, which is horrific, is not acceptable.
And then we kind of go,I have a little son. I
have to be careful with that.It comes from a place, it comes
It always comes from somewhere, right, Even if I work with a lot
of kids that have suffered from bullyingand all that, the bully is what's
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interesting to me because that's coming fromsomewhere that pain body like, especially when
they're young kids and they don't havecontrol over it. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, I wouldn't love to talkto you about that further because yeah,
I was beat up and bullied everyday growing up and where I grew up,
and not until I got older didI realize why it happened. Because
I looked at the bullies and thekids that were doing it. It was
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their environment that they were in,of course, you know what I mean.
So when you go back and that'ssuch a complex character to see a
child, it's not the child gettingbullied, it's the bully themselves. Why
is the psychologist ten year old alreadydoing that? What has happening? Oh
my gosh, They're getting it fromsomeone, absolutely, And that's why the
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my love usually goes towards them andI because I've been bullied as well,
but I've also been We've all beena bully as well, which people kind
of blind themselves to, like theythey're like, I was the victim,
but not that you're doing that atall. It's a good point there,
but we've all bullied someone where we'vebeen bystanders watching other people get bull Now,
you said something earlier about playing alot of villains and like the bad
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characters. Now, do you thinkthat's because the dark complexion? What?
No, No, this is comingfrom somebody who's always getting cast as the
villains, and it really is.My case is because I'm Latin now and
only recently are things starting to changein Hollywood. It's a very controversial topics,
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and I'm very out, very outspokenabout it because I've been in this
town working successfully for twenty years asan actor, and it's always been that
he can never play the lead whiteguy. He Oh, he's the villain,
Yeah, because he looks dark.Yeah, and and and so I
was curious if that you think that'sbeen um have you had Do you feel
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like ethnically there's been a thing foryou in this town or do you think
you've just luckily been able to crossall those boundaries? You know? And
I hate saying this, but Ithink it really is different for men and
women. Fortunately, and unfortunately,I think there's a and and there's by
the way, racism both ways menand women for short. But in terms
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of the typical male black guy beingthe villain or male Hispanic being the villain,
like that happens way too often andit needs to stop because that needs
to stop. And for women,you know, you see sort of the
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blonde vixen, like that's going tosteal your husband. You see that a
lot. So I don't want totake credit or not credit for that.
But I don't want to, youknow, either victimize myself or anything like
that. But I do feel alsoI have another issue where I'm not black,
I'm not white, I'm not Hispanic, I'm not anything. So there's
a like exotic looking is what Igo out for. I go out for
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white or sometimes I make them think, oh she could work, what is
she? Yeah, But if theywant Hispanic, they're going to get a
Hispanic girl. If they want ablack girl, they're going to get a
black guy. So that's you know, which is fine. Right now,
it's for me, Black women shineaway, Asian women shine away, Hispanic
women shine away, Like I like, go for it, you know,
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but but I know it'll be myturn too. I know mixed race,
mixed babies will have their time aswell. Right now. It may be
it may not be my time.What's interesting. What you're saying is so
valid, but I think it comesdown to one thing I want to addressed
you, Kurt, because when youdon't have, when you misinformed about a
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culture, you go to the mosteasiest access. And I think, you
know, you could be standing ina place. You see a beautiful woman,
for example, and she's staying inplace and she's just thinking that she
contemplating it, and they go,oh, she's got what rested. Or
you see a black guy and he'sthinking and he's angry. Or you see
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a Hispanic guy and he's you know, he's dressed a certain way and he's
just kind of thinking thinking. Hecould be thinking about his mother, and
it's like, oh my god,I think he might be casing the place.
You understand, what I'm saying isthis misinformed of the assumption, the
assumption, and so I think thelack of investigating that which I think it
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is it is. But I thinkhonestly, and this is very controversial right
now too in Hollywood, is ifthere's like an a Latin character or a
black character, that they're only goingto hire a Latin or black to play
that role. Like we're actors,yes, are we only going to hire
a handicap to play a handicap?Are we only going to hire someone who's
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done rape to play a rapist?Yeah, right, Like like that's my
problem. Like if I'm casting somethingand you come in with ten other women
and it's a Hispanic role, butyou do the best job I would cast
you. But but you know why, But you know why because it's such
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a big deal. Now they're like, oh, they hired a non Hispanic.
How dare they? Who gives ashit? That's exactly and thank you,
And this is what I was gettingto had this And so those of
you listening inside our industry, noneof us care. It's the people on
the outside. They're making such abig deal out of it. And it's
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and like to and it's unfortunate becauseright now it's happening big within the heights.
In the Heights, it's happening hugebecause what happened was did you have
any of you guys seen it?So basically it takes place in Washington Heights,
New York, which is prominly darkerskinned Latins, but they cast lighter
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skin So now all the dark skinnedLatins and black people are up up.
Why didn't I hire darker skinned ones? Well, we see your point.
That demographic is like that. Butstill they hired still Latin people for the
role just because they're a little lighter. There are lighter ones, but so
that's the problem. But again,it's all people on the outside. You're
never going to see someone inside Hollywood. So that was my question you was
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you should be able to go outfor a Latin girl. Yes, and
but the public doesn't accept it,right, not necessarily, And I get
both sides. What I want tosee now is just diversity, yes,
yeah, Like that's all I wantis just no more full on white shows
like and I'm honestly, why arewe also only having black shows African American?
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But but let's just blend. Let'sjust have everything great art, yes,
and and yes, check Sree Luncanis probably not going to come up
on the it's probably like a hardand raised in Switzerland. Check. Yeah,
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because we read that one more timewith scripture of the character like that.
But I'm okay with that. ButI think our future is changing now
and it's so wonderful to see thathappen. Yeah, And the whole industry
is changing. It's like it's evolving, So it is it is. This
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is why it's such a great topic. To talk about it. Yeah,
because women ethnicity is ageism needs tostop, and it is because I love
seeing shows women in their forties orfifties. I'm like, beautiful, absolutely
well. I'm seeing that more behindthe camera now than in front of it,
being on the producing side, staffingup crew. I'm seeing a big
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age discrimination coming to people. Really. Oh yeah, yeah, like the
Friends TV Doctor Friends. You geta certain they think you've lost touch,
only like in their fift that is, but a crafty friend that did it
for many years. She's family tous now and she was the top of
the field. But once they hita certain age, they think you can't
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do that position. They start gettingthe youth, they start getting the younger
who getting dured the It's still verysuperficial. Oh yeah, oh yeah,
but I'm discrimination, which I didn'tknow, so thank you for informant.
Oh yeah. But even act actressesthought that by the age of thirty five
they'd be done. And I feellike now it's like, no, it's
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just watchman, We're just getting started, just getting started. And now you
see a lot of shows with NicoleKim like women that are interesting, jeans,
smart, oh my god, andjust these women that have such substance.
Thank you. I was just goingwhen I watch these w B shows
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with all these young kids, they'repretty right. It's about it as far
as that's great we look at.But if you want substance, and definitely
want to, I want to bringup a day you bring in that's gonna
make you like feel like I'm gonnabring that day that you we both said
Jean Smart, I mean all themayor of Eastown, Oh my god,
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and you she just did a moviewith Jeane and and that to me,
that is the level of professional youwant to end up at. And the
honesty. And I mean and Ialso say this because because Sissy reminds me
of her so much, that theyhave the same heart towards people. It's
a career there, they love it, they're doing great at it, but
ultimately, families and most one ofthe most more things in the day.
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And and I remember as in themall with my my um my wife.
Uh and I did a pilot withGane and I was standing there my my
first baby, and I felt someonecould put a hug behind me and I
was like, who is this?And I was like, is it my
wife? That is Gene and she'slike, hey, you, what are
you doing there? I was like, what are you doing? And she's
like, is this your wife andkids? Is? She really wanted to
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know who my family is. Talkedabout him on set enough. But that's
who this is. It is thatlove for who you are, Yes,
is what got her to where she'sat from. Yes, I I truly
believe, especially with you, thatyou're just about to blow up, blow
up, You're just about you knowsee. I feel like you're caring that
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you know it. That's the thingis. But that doesn't change her is
what's amazing. She is still mylittle sister. Yeah. And that's how
you make in this town, isyou know it? Yeah? And then
you everything starts to come to you, speaking to which I want to ask
you, what are like three traitsthat you think are the most important for
an actor to that unwavering that theyshould have in this town to really take
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it to the next level. That'sso funny you just talked about it.
Faith. Yes, it doesn't matterwhat faith you have, but I have.
I am so insecure. I havelow self worth at times, and
I still suffer from anxiety, allthis all the stuff, But I have
faith in myself. Yeah, andI have faith in God, whatever or
you believe in. That's fine,but putting your faith outside of yourself.
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Then we talked about it being ofservice on set. Offset Just serve other
people and ask for nothing in return, expect nothing in return. You're just
there for them. Things will flowyour way automatically, and then gratitude,
Be grateful. You're you're following yourdream, You're ahead of the game.
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You're just people are working nine tofive in jobs that they hate just to
get a paycheck. We get todo what we love. We have fun,
and that's the thing. Have fun. If I could tell my younger
self one thing is just have fun. Who cares you're grades that no one's
going to ask you what grades yougot. And parents are gonna hate me
right now watching watching this, Buthonestly, just kids should be enjoying themselves
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and even as you grow older.Right now, I'm more kid than ever.
I ride my bicycle every day.I you know, I swim under
the pool and hold my breath likeI'm still a child. And that's how
I think we should live life.By not be too serious. We're not
saving lives here as actors, buthopefully we're considered essential during COVID. Yes,
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we entertain I'm sorry, but werehuge thing right now. Sorry,
we're a second to you guys,sister, Yeah, but we do.
How many people have we inspired?Exactly? Actually watched? How many people
survived being locked up for a year? Yea? How many Netflix shows did
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you watch? How many ideas itinspired? How many people inspire you do
things you never would have done.That's what we do. We inspire.
Tell us about working on the ProjectSenior Moment with William Shatner and Christopher Lloyd.
What was that scene like? Workingwith two literally living legend was?
What was it like? And youknow, honestly, and Jean Smart was
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part of that movie, and shewas the one that I connected with the
most because she was my mom.But they were such class act And that's
the thing, Like, I wantto see movies with people that you know,
in their seventies and there. Iwant to see people from all ages.
That doesn't mean I don't want tosee a fifteen year old fifteen year
olds you know, in high school. I want to see it all.
But just the experience that comes withbeing that age, I mean, that's
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the thing. This is maybe totallyunrelatable, but men in their fifties wanting
to day twenty year olds and thenthey they're surprised that it doesn't work out.
Well, it's because that the twentyyear old only has a certain amount
of experience in their lives. Andit's the same thing with acting, Like
the older you get, the moreexperienced, the more talent you acquire.
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Like as we talked about the substancethat comes with it, and those gentlemen
they proved all of that, theyhad all of that. I carried themselves
differently. Then you know a twentyyear old on set that's on his phone
the whole time, snapchatting whatever elseis. But but none of that is
happening with people of that caliber.They're they're not on their phones in between
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takes. They're they're like in thezone. Thank you for saying that.
A friend recently, and he's abig choreographer. I won't say his name,
but he tried to get ahold ofme while I was on set working
and he got mad at me.Later, I'm like, dude, I
don't care my phone to set.He's, oh, why not you should?
I said, first of all,it's kind of distracting. If it's
on set, I want to golook at it, or if I'm sitting
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between takes, I'm not connecting,like you just said, and that's so
funny, like over thirty five orat least me, I don't like to
take it to set because I wantto connect with between takes. I want
to talk to you. Yeah,you know, let's talk talk to people
on the crew blah blah blah,but on the on the phone the whole
time. So there's generation of suband you know, I feel like it's
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also of his twitch for some people, if they don't know how to do
it, maybe get on your phoneto start looking busy because they don't know.
They don't know how to talk.You talk to these kids, so
what's going on with meedily, geton your phone, that's the case.
Why not bring a piece of paperand draw, Why not, like,
actually do something creative versus b onsocial media. There's so many other options
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for you, guys. I'm nota huge talker necessarily onset, especially if
I'm diving into a deep character thatyou know that's pretty anti antisocial. Whatever,
there's a moment to have social time, and there's also a time to
reflect, and I always bring anotepad and I start writing journaling like whatever
it is, there's there's a wayto always be in the game. Absolutely,
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absolutely, absolutely. I want toask you about you did a movie
called Fatal Affair with Omar Epps andthere tell the actors all of us,
there's a scene in there that's reallylike a sexual scene and it's pretty intense.
Now, tell us this is whereher mom has to turn it off.
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By the way, my mom runslines with me on everything. Really,
she has heard me say the worstword. She said the words me
like it's that. Yeah, she'sthe best. I was in a predicament
this morning. I had to putsome on tape and and and I couldn't
find anybody read with me. Mydaughter, I had her read with me,
and there was a cuss word asshole, and I had to I changed
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the ahole. So I said,you can't you have to say a hole.
You can't say as bro um.So I want to ask you and
tell the audience what was your Whatwas it like for you going to somewhere
so vulnerable? Did how people understandwhen you have to do something so intense
like that, Do you just releaseyourself? And go. Now was the
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crew on set or did they removethem? Oh? No, they It's
always a close set. I meanany sex scene that I've done anyway was
cleared out. That is really andHelen Mirren just said it on her Masterclass.
Sex scenes are not sexy like theyare not They are awkward, they
are sweaty like it's it's really likepeople are like, ooh, did you
like It's like no, and there'slike ten people watching it is like oh,
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but like a little bit more tothet. So it's like a commercial
for food. That's the one partwhere you don't have to think like you're
not folks, Like that's the socialtime where you're gonna be like, so,
how's the kids, How's how's yourwife? Like what you know?
So and and Omar was such aclass act and he made me feel so
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safe. And now, luckily,which I'm so glad about, they have
these people that come to said wherethat's their job. They come in and
they're sort of supervising all the sexscenes and they they're like, how do
you feel about your hand? Theirhand there? How do you feel about
you know? And so, becausethere's I think it's fantastic the fact that
we didn't have that before is insane. It is so delicate, and especially
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for young women coming into town,like they get I've of course, all
women have had experiences just being mistreatedor oh, and it scares me having
a daughter, I'm like trying tobasically can whether Yeah, I mean,
the odds are greater like teaching themhow to like, but I get it
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like every woman. Unfortunately, itboggles my mind because I've never disrespected a
woman in my life, and soboggles of mind. There's men out there
that are willing to, you know, break their integrity to do whatever is
necessary to be close to women orand they don't think about respecting another human
being. But anyway we're going,we're getting way off topic there. I
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do that. No, it's okay, no, because you have substance.
A lot of people come in hereand they just talking about acting and the
entertainment. That's great, but youhave substance. Speaking of substance, she's
a freaking golfer. Man came up. I have called her mini ties.
He what are you the area?Yeah, you won't come by. No,
I'm right in the middle of agolf game. What I saw this
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girl has some form, and shedoes like she sometimes looked angry. So
there's a few times you're like,oh, I'm like, oh my god,
collars and her pants and her littlegloves. That's like my alter ego.
But honestly, you know, Isaw you were on like a team,
and I was on the Swiss nationalteam here and then went to college
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with with golf as well. That'sright. No, you should see her
when you look at look her uplater over. I was like, she
no clue. I was like,her form before I knew that you'd been
on teams, I said, herform is freaking amazing. What the hell
could I like to golf? Iwas like, what's awesome? And then
I saw she really, I amnowhere near How did your did one?
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Your parents? My my dad gotvery much into it, so did my
mom, and we played as afamily. There you go. Then it
was sort of did your mom beatyour dad at golf? Yes, she
did, but then that was thetricky thing. Then I got better,
and it was the one thing Iwas good at, right, My sister
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was good at everything else. Myfamily they're all a bunch of intellectuals,
and they're they're incredibly smart and Iwas kind of like the black the artist
and you know, but but golfwas one thing where I was like,
I can do this at something,you know. So that was the opening
of like building a little bit ofself confidence. That's so funny because that's
my family too. My parents andmy brother are the intellectuals and I'm the
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black Sheep artist and they still dothis day thing I have meant. They're
like, oh, poor Curtie.Yeah. Oh, whenever I say something
smart, They're like, you knowthat the sun rises in the east,
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Yeah, exactly, exactly. Now, speaking of sports, you're married to
a legend, and I just wantedto talk about this real quick because I
I love the sport. He soher husband is basically a legend in rugby
in the United States, and rugbyis not cool in the United States,
not popular. It's big in Europe, in Australia and New Zealand in other
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countries. But the reason why Iknow a lot about it is because I
played football in college and my collegehad a rugby team, and so a
lot of my fraternity brothers and friendswere on the team, so I really
got to watch it. And it'sthe best, most toughest, most amazing
sport that exists on the planet.So to be like a legend like he
is, you know, he wasthe he was he's retired, but he
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was the first American rugby union playerwho holds share in an Austin Austin Elite
Rugby. He became the first Americanto play super rugby at the international level.
He was a member of the UnitedStates national team, served as captain,
as the most capped player in UnitedStates rugby history. And that's her
husband. He just entered the Hallof Fame. Oh that's freaking awesome.
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So so that's that's Have you learnedabout rugby? Because rugby is a hard
sport to understand, Like, haveyou ever tried to watch it? I've
watched it exactly because when you watchit, you're like, if you don't
know, exausted, you guys areall invited by the way and in the
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down in the scrump pushing each other. Honestly, have no idea. I've
never watched a rugby game until afew months ago. Even while I had
no idea, Like they look theyget in the line between in the line
and they pushed each other back andforth, and it looks like a bunch
of like like goats pushing each otherback forward and pushing pushing sort. He
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is a beast. I mean heis. He inspires me so much,
talk about work ethic. He isjust so focused and he's the he like
we obviously met for a reason weboth work so hard. And um,
his family is first, Like he'sjust so generous and um, he is
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all man however, like there's nofemininity to him, there's no like we're
you know, he's just a man. Yes, and um, I've never
really been used to that, likeso much in the industry. I'm not
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even surprised. I saw them mydaughter's father's day presence mine's coming up this
weekend, and well having daughter's helps. By the way, he has a
daughter, which which helps him atYes, And I mean he can be
a total soft day with me.But I think that's the thing with men
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in our industry are totally different artistsand everything. So learning about and being
an athlete and what that entails,it's actually pretty similar to us. Yes,
you know, the ups and thedowns, the winds, the losses,
the you know. I love thatyou said that because that's one of
my ongoing themes in the show.Being an athlete myself is I compare it
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to athletics, and I always tellpeople who if you never played sports like
organized, you don't get it.But it's so similar. The work ethic,
the dedication, the commitment to it, the winds, the losses,
the no quid attitude. I findthe people who are athletes that are in
this industry they find success because anathlete, you're there's no if you lose,
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you're like I lost. Next,Yeah, I got knocked down next,
Yeah there's no oh no, you'relike, fuck, I'm gonna do
better. He has broken every boneand yeah, but and yeah, I
think there's so many similarities between thesport and and and just being in the
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moment. Todd does no spiritual work, right, he works out, he
runs, But he is the mostspiritual person I know because he's present.
Yes, it's like and even youknow, if we have an argument whatever,
like he's over it because he's justin the moment. And and that
to me is greater than all thework I don't happen to have found each
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other because and honestly, it's greatto see people that have found that love
and that because we all I thinkdeep downside want that and you found congratulations,
Thank you. That's freak. That'sgoing to take you to the next
level in your life, like canelevate youth to have that support. And
it's not without its challenges, butit's the best kind of challenges. And
that's the thing. And it's thesame with our acting careers. It's the
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same with anything, right, Nothinggood comes with ease and with comfort.
You have to be outside. Hetalks about being outside of your comfort zone,
and that's all it is. Youhave to be outside of your comfort
zone if you want to move,if you want to grow, if you
want to expand. Now I'm goingto close it up because she has to
get going. We're over time.Now, one last thing before I have
a bunch of bullet point questions Ialways ask at the end. It's but
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we're going. There's one more thingI want to ask you. Now with
all the LGBTQ things happening and allthe you know, the awareness of it
because we're talking about ethnicity, butalso that I read somewhere that you you
are bisexual, yes or so?And I want again, we're here to
help people and there's millions. Imean, I have cousins, I have
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an uncle, I have friends family, you know, we all do that
have been scared and now are morefeeling more freedom to be themselves. Now,
what was it? What was yourWhat was it like when you first
had to tell you you reveal toyour family? Was it was? I
only told them pretty much right beforeI met my husband because I was dating
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a girl at the time, andI just thought, well, you know,
if photos come out or whatever itis, I just and and I've
always felt that way. But forme, I can't even call it bisexual
anymore because I just realized I fallin love with people. It's not like
I could have ended up, youknow, with a transgendered person or whatever
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it is. And you've seen thepeople I've dated. There's no rhyme or
reason to who I fall in lovewith. It's not about looks, it's
not It's just the essence of theyeah, no picture, no. And
I just think perhaps that's our futurebecause I just see so many young people
now working in schools and everything thatare like I don't I don't know if
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I like women men. I'm like, you don't have to you don't have
to know. I just like,well, because we're elevating our consciousness too
as humans. It's just kind ofcoming with time, so we're connecting more
to people. We used to connectto the outside, the exterior, which
but now we're connecting to what's insideaspect of who the person is exactly.
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And the shame, the shame thatpeople are generation or my generation have had
to feel growing I grew up guys. But it's funny even me saying that
now, I'm like, oh gosh, like, you know, there's still
that moment of because I grew upin Switzerland, because I grew up with
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a more conservative environment. Because youknow, of course it was hard coming.
I mean it was extremely hard beingopen about it. But the truth
is, like my first crush wasa girl, Yeah, and I had
to hide that. Why Yeah,because I thought I was not normal,
because I thought that there was somethingwrong with me. But I just,
you know, ended up dating guysbecause that felt real. But then I
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got to experience society said that wasexactly but being brave enough to step again
outside of your comfort zone experience differentthings in life. Because there's nothing wrong
with loving someone. There is nothingwrong with sharing a bond, whether it's
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again like a man, a woman, whatever, it's so beautiful to It's
so beautiful to hear you say thisand say it with such not a definition,
but a feeling because I understand whatyou talk about. I understand that
so well, because like I lookat people and I see the most beautiful
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people. And I remember once Iwas a little kid and I looked at
this man and I said, Ilove your eyebrows. And my brother went,
why did you say that? Hehas those beautiful eyebrows? And I
mean it sounds, but it's it'sum. When you get past the physical,
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you find something so beautiful. Yeah, that only can exist when you
connect. And you said, like, thank you for saying no though,
Brad Pitts are you're looking at though? Yeah? And people are gonna ask
me maybe for you know, peoplestill come up to me and they're like,
(35:32):
are you gonna miss being with me? And I'm like, no,
it has nothing to do with that. I'm never gonna love. It doesn't
matter who you're with, exactly inlove right now. So thank you for
saying that, because I want peopleto understand, be free who you are,
connect with whoever. Like it's timeto realize, don't don't care what
society tells. You want your parentsor family or brothers and sister be who
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you are brave enough to be whoyou are. And until you are brave
enough, that's fine too. Youcan be who you are. You know,
I was in the closet, soto speak, forever, and that
was fine too. That was myjourney, and that's maybe yours. And
and that's that's coming in on theheels of California now just added I don't
know if you guys follow the news, California added five more states. California
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has this list of states that areanti LGBTQ, and California banned travel there
unless it's not essential for like statestate workers to go there. So certain
states are on this list, theNebraska's and the Tennessee's and Alabamas, and
so California is trying to make astand and saying, hey, we don't
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agree with your so we're not goingto allow any of our state workers go
there for work or anything unless it'sabsolutely an emergency. Because until you change
your stance on this, and Ithink that's phenomenal, it's got to start
somewhere. It's got to start withpeople. Yeah, challenging because it's not
always easy for me to also bringup, especially now being married and all
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of that. But but people needto hear this no matter you know,
that goes beyond my own ego orfears or whatever it is. And we
all have that. We all havethose those things that that bring us to
a level higher level where it's justit's not about us anything. I was
just gonna say what you just said, which was so beautiful. It wasn't
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about you, It was about yourexperience that everyone has, right, and
you know, like it's I rememberbeing a little kid and seeing a beautiful
like a guy and they're going like, oh, like he's handsome, and
I remember going, oh wow,And I remember going, there's nothing wrong
with them. And I remember tellingsomeone, right, you shouldn't say that,
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yeah, And I went, buthe's handsome. But I remember someone
going, you shouldn't say that.I go, I don't find anything wrong
with that. No. In fact, it's it's just love. It's a
compliment. Like the fact that peopleare scared of it. It should it
should be more of a reflection ofwhat they're going through. Yes, and
thank you for sharing that, Andthat's why I saved it for the k
(38:05):
I need. I kind of wantedto wait and feel this out, see
where we ended up, see ifI felt safe asking. And again,
any this isn't live anyway. Sothat's why I was like, if she
didn't want to talk about we justcut it out. But I felt it
was important because, like I had, I had actually miss Uh miss uh
Utah on my show recently and she'sthe first LGBTQ bisexual miss us. So
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she was just on a few weeksago and she's the first one to ever
come out and compete and she wonMiss Utah and then she went to,
oh, yeah, that's right,and so it's like it's such a big
deal and I want more people tobe open about Yeah. And I also
think these people were all on hisspectrum, right, We're all there's no
like black and white, and youknow, I say, my my husband
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is like all male and maybe he'slike the most extreme, you know,
but but but we're all right therein a in a blend and even he
as being all man, is capableof seeing how love is love. Yeah,
that's not your cup of tea,right, it's not your taste,
okay, but but that's fine.You have other tastes. I'm okay with
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your taste. Why can't you beokay with my exactly? Thank you?
That's all this and so it's allabout tolerance. I'm okay with your taste,
be okay with fine. Yeah,we'll get along. I'll send it
with this the last people here wego. Boom boom booms. This is
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so. What are three things Ifind in your grocery carts? Oh my
gosh, I love right now.It's not a race. You can take
your time. Okay, this issuper weird, but I love it and
(39:57):
you should try it if you're adventurous. But I love watermelon. It's super
fresh in the summer. Watermelon,cottage cheese, and a little bit of
pepper. Oh my god, I'vehad the watermelon with the college cottage che's
never done the pepper a spice.So those are your three things. Pepper,
watermelon, cottage cheese. I loveit. Your top three favorite bands
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are mutical musical artists of all timethat you love your thoughts My queen of
all queens, one that inspired meeven to be an artist, as Alicia
Keys love. Oh you kind oflook like her? Oh my gosh,
stop no, her eyes their eyesso why does that keep happening because you're
(40:43):
a superstar and you look so goodon So I love her. Have you
seen her? What's that thing onNetflix? The documentary she did? Yeah,
it's you haven't seen it for itreally shows a side of her that
you don't get to see. Iwalked through her on a show and let
(41:04):
me just not to stop this,but you gotta hear this has gotta be
said. It was the pop whatwas it called the Pop Show something like
that when the kids come and thehip hop game or shot in the pop
Game, that's what. And shewas a judge on it. And this
little girl came at the end ofthe show and they were shooting everybody out
and I was the first ad onit, and we were told not to
let anybody give her because she wassuch a And I said, miss Keyes,
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this girl wants your autograph. IsI'm being told to shoot her out?
But could you sign out? Shegoes. You tell them I'm signing
autograph. If they have a problemthat they come see me. Yea.
And it was a simple It's likeshe was a Kim Sweet Arts because I'll
sign it for it was just that'swho she was. It's so funny because
a lot of times people's handlers willsay no, no one but themselves.
She was like hanging the photo withme too, and she was all the
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time. Okay, what is ohwait, we didn't finish, so Lisa
Keys, Alicia Keys, um waitmusicians or artists or anyone. I mean,
I grew up being a crazy fanof Eminem. Noways get it they
got up to say, but othercomes out like a Jim Erish. He
could now go to talk about Dredynthe Eminem exactly. He's just such a
(42:19):
poet and just such a genius andI just love I just respect that.
And then um cliche. Well,no, actually I'm gonna go with Tom
Hanks. I was gonna say MerylStreep, but Tom Hanks, Tom Hanks.
No oh sorry you said you saidI could do musicians or act,
either soul artists or bands. Thenokay, sorry because I was gonna go
(42:40):
with an actor, but another bandor musicians. Wolf Um, I'm old
school. I love soul trained likeits perfect. Yeah, and so well,
since you threw it out, wasn'ta question your favorite artist is Tom
Hanks or Meryl Street. Tom Hanks, Meryl Streep, the best. I
mean, yeah, yeah, Ijust such a Forrest Gump is like one
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of my favorite movies. Um,Sacramento State went to my Yeah. What
is the biggest trait or lesson orthing that you learned from your father?
M m uh. That's a toughone because him and I have had a
(43:27):
very interesting relationship throughout our lives.But I think from him I learned my
work ethic perfect, and then fromyour mother unconditional love. Yes, what
is your mantra? Thank you?It's the words I use the most.
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Love it. There's your gratitude.What is one statement that would describe your
twenty twenty People are gonna hate this, maybe, but bliss? Yeah so
so no they're not. And it'sfunny because most people come in here with
But I knew what your answer wasbecause I saw your twenty twenty picture.
(44:12):
She was in love, she wasquarantine with a dude. Just those photos
though amazing. Spent your first yearin quarantine with your guy. Of course
I knew what your answer was goingto be. When you said you're gonna
hate me, I said, Iknow it wasn't just that. Can I
just be honest? Yes, itwas I mean just falling in love is
the best. But it also allowedme to stop yeah and pause. I
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am go, go, go,NonStop, and I realized just I found
my childlike self again. I wasable to play again and people like myself.
This always always worked more with youcan't stop and take it in from
me. You think it reset yourselfto what life's about, not this.
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Yeah, it was the best timeof my life. I had a year
with my two daughters and I wouldnever change it. It was like I
was there nine to five with Itwas like amazing to watch them grow foot
year phenomenal. Yeah, I knowsome people don't. I mean, you
know we're not We're not. Letme, let's make this claim not at
all like turning down what happened.Oh my gosh, we're not away,
(45:23):
you asked me, and I'm gonnaand we start talking about ours. But
this is about her. So finalquestion, and the funny thing is you
actually answered this one earlier without realizingit. And let's see if you remembered
what you said and see what youranswer is. If you can go back
in time for two minutes, kneeldown and you're facing your third or fourth
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grade self, what would you tellher. Oh yeah, I said,
have fun, have more fun.But a third or fourth grade? What
how old are you then, becausewe have a different squere about eight or
nine, nine years old? Eightor nine. Just enjoy the journey,
enjoy the ride. It's not there'sno arrival like I thought being on two
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show, like I never thought I'deven make it on a movie like and
and I didn't have that little girldream where I'm going to be a star.
So what I got anyway was waybetter than what I looked at.
And you said, enjoy the thejourney, enjoy the Yeah, but she'll
get it, but she'll yeah it'strue. Um, but but just enjoy
(46:27):
each moment as it comes. There'sthere's no like, you know, I
just one of my friends that thatthat was my age passed away, and
we all have dreams that go beyondjust the fact that we're alive and that
we're Like just my birthday showed upand I was like, I just can't
believe I'm I get to live onthis planet another year. That for me,
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COVID was a sweet, dear y, beautiful singing. Nowadays I'm start
(47:16):
even making it, but this isso thank you, thank you, thank
you. I mean yeah, whenI saw it was just like two days
ago. I was like, thisis so adorning from sunshine and it matches
your outfit. The flowers that orangesprinkles on their birth dud dear lord,
like this is I mean, thisis my eldest is this is It's always
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there. So happy birthday. Thanksfor being here with us. Everybody's freaking
awesome. Jeremy go Broth, goodjob as user man, creaking bring the
house. We popped his cherry theversion. Yes, good job, you
(47:59):
are hi regular you you It's alwaysthe first one's only always an audition.
I can't tell you the amount ofpeople that have coming here and not been
invited back. So no, becausewhat happens. A lot of people didn't
say anything, and I tell themjust jump in at somebody off. You
were smart, great questions and socongratulations Lauren. Yeah. And then we
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have our guest, Maya said fromGeneva, Switzerland. Thank you so much,
Happy birthday. Thanks for being partof the show and making it so
amazing. I'm excited for the worldto hear your story through usked through our
microphones. This is America's podcaster Kirkus, Sarah and what's your Name beIN the
podcast and good Night, good Night
Ladies and gentlemen, please take yourseats. The show is about to begin.
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a funk here, we bring itin. We got your feeling it.
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We're not just starting this podcast witha little intro of a commercial. That's
not we roll. We care aboutour audience, our fans, our listeners.
And this is Kirkus Sarras is America'spodcast. Kirkus Saras on the podcast
watching them begin. Oh with myco host, you get me go breath,
Lauren Hughes. This is part twowith the amazing, fantastic, the
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ever lovely, beautiful, talented,so grounded, so down to earth.
But you already know that I'd behurt Part one Maya stoi Ya Yeah,
yeah, oh, I know everybody'sbeen away from park. Who we're gonna
go. I'm not gonna I'm notgonna waste it more time hard twos here
we'll see on the other side.Oh, but to answer your question about
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the sweet spot, I love portrayingpeople that are so different from myself.
I've played a lot of villains Igo figger, but um and to step
into the shoes of people like tohave the compassion to have the empathy to
really just dive into someone that's eithercommitted crime or someone that's cheated or I
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just played a horrendous human just amonth ago, where you know, she's
basically having an affair with her bestfriend's husband and and all of that.
And I shouldn't say horrendous human becausewe we've but what society considers a horrendous
person, right, and and andactually tapping into her, I've realized all
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the pain that was there, andit was one of those roles that was
kind of tough to get out ofeven after UM, but I just I
really enjoy it because that's what wedo, I think as actors, is
we empathize. And the more wecan really listen, the more we can
look at people and really just getwho they are. People don't listen enough.
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Yeah, that's and I don't meanthat's also half of acting right on
that topic totally, And I don'tmean the surface listening where it's like figuring
out a response or how to readto, but like actually take in the
person, what are they about?And I connecting right? That's not gonna
people connect, right, That's theproblem, and especially in this text what
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I was talking about earlier too.It's hard to connect with people in this
time. I have trouble connecting withpeople, but with you, instantly the
connection. I was like, whatan amazing human being. I'm sorry,
we're compliment you again. You saidabout the horrendous character you played earlier.
This is a great lesson because oneof the lessons as an actor is when
you you're not supposed to ever judgeyour character. For those listening now,
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so when you play a horrendous character, you're actually not supposed to feel horrendous.
And I never because because horrendous peopledon't like a serial killer doesn't feel
bad about him, No, ofcourse not. They believe what they're doing
wholeheartedly and by it really is.That's why I love playing those characters,
because you see the whole other sideof it, because because you don't judge,
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and I try to be that friendand friends often tell me that,
and jerrymy, hopefully you can vouchfor that. But I do not judge.
People could tell me I might justcheated on or I just murdered.
I'll be like, where's the body. I'll bury many memories, some stories
that most people would be like letme grab my shit and get out of
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here. And she's like, oh, brother, I love you hoodies.
Have you guys buried together? Judgethere is because that it's also our job
to not judge our characters. Andyou know, what society thinks is terrible
or horrendous, as I used,it's really we're all the same. We
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all come from the same place.We all have this need to be loved,
and you know, we all havea history and yeah, and it's
a great opportunity to actually show peoplethat you know, when you read the
paper, you get this, butwhen you take on a role, when
we take on a role, it'sa great opportunity to inform the public of
something that you know, like,oh, it's really her father, it
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was really his mother that did that, and we could be compassionate for this
human and even though what they've done, which is horrific, is not acceptable.
And then we kind of go,I have a little son. I
have to be careful with that.It comes from a place, it comes
It always comes from somewhere, right, Even if I work with a lot
of kids that have suffered from bullyingand all that, the bully is what's
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interesting to me because that's coming fromsomewhere that pain body like, especially when
they're young kids and they don't havecontrol over it. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, I wouldn't love to talkto you about that further because yeah,
I was beat up and bullied everyday growing up and where I grew up,
and not until I got older didI realize why it happened. Because
I looked at the bullies and thekids that were doing it. It was
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their environment that they were in,of course, you know what I mean.
So when you go back and that'ssuch a complex character to see a
child, it's not the child gettingbullied, it's the bully themselves. Why
is the psychologist ten year old alreadydoing that? What has happening? Oh
my gosh, They're getting it fromsomeone, absolutely, And that's why the
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my love usually goes towards them andI because I've been bullied as well,
but I've also been We've all beena bully as well, which people kind
of blind themselves to, like theythey're like, I was the victim,
but not that you're doing that atall. It's a good point there,
but we've all bullied someone where we'vebeen bystanders watching other people get bull Now,
you said something earlier about playing alot of villains and like the bad
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characters. Now, do you thinkthat's because the dark complexion? What?
No, No, this is comingfrom somebody who's always getting cast as the
villains, and it really is.My case is because I'm Latin now and
only recently are things starting to changein Hollywood. It's a very controversial topics,
(06:32):
and I'm very out, very outspokenabout it because I've been in this
town working successfully for twenty years asan actor, and it's always been that
he can never play the lead whiteguy. He Oh, he's the villain,
Yeah, because he looks dark.Yeah, and and and so I
was curious if that you think that'sbeen um have you had Do you feel
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like ethnically there's been a thing foryou in this town or do you think
you've just luckily been able to crossall those boundaries? You know? And
I hate saying this, but Ithink it really is different for men and
women. Fortunately, and unfortunately,I think there's a and and there's by
the way, racism both ways menand women for short. But in terms
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of the typical male black guy beingthe villain or male Hispanic being the villain,
like that happens way too often andit needs to stop because that needs
to stop. And for women,you know, you see sort of the
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blonde vixen, like that's going tosteal your husband. You see that a
lot. So I don't want totake credit or not credit for that.
But I don't want to, youknow, either victimize myself or anything like
that. But I do feel alsoI have another issue where I'm not black,
I'm not white, I'm not Hispanic, I'm not anything. So there's
a like exotic looking is what Igo out for. I go out for
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white or sometimes I make them think, oh she could work, what is
she? Yeah, But if theywant Hispanic, they're going to get a
Hispanic girl. If they want ablack girl, they're going to get a
black guy. So that's you know, which is fine. Right now,
it's for me, Black women shineaway, Asian women shine away, Hispanic
women shine away, Like I like, go for it, you know,
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but but I know it'll be myturn too. I know mixed race,
mixed babies will have their time aswell. Right now. It may be
it may not be my time.What's interesting. What you're saying is so
valid, but I think it comesdown to one thing I want to addressed
you, Kurt, because when youdon't have, when you misinformed about a
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culture, you go to the mosteasiest access. And I think, you
know, you could be standing ina place. You see a beautiful woman,
for example, and she's staying inplace and she's just thinking that she
contemplating it, and they go,oh, she's got what rested. Or
you see a black guy and he'sthinking and he's angry. Or you see
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a Hispanic guy and he's you know, he's dressed a certain way and he's
just kind of thinking thinking. Hecould be thinking about his mother, and
it's like, oh my god,I think he might be casing the place.
You understand, what I'm saying isthis misinformed of the assumption, the
assumption, and so I think thelack of investigating that which I think it
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is it is. But I thinkhonestly, and this is very controversial right
now too in Hollywood, is ifthere's like an a Latin character or a
black character, that they're only goingto hire a Latin or black to play
that role. Like we're actors,yes, are we only going to hire
a handicap to play a handicap?Are we only going to hire someone who's
(09:54):
done rape to play a rapist?Yeah, right, Like like that's my
problem. Like if I'm casting somethingand you come in with ten other women
and it's a Hispanic role, butyou do the best job I would cast
you. But but you know why, But you know why because it's such
(10:15):
a big deal. Now they're like, oh, they hired a non Hispanic.
How dare they? Who gives ashit? That's exactly and thank you,
And this is what I was gettingto had this And so those of
you listening inside our industry, noneof us care. It's the people on
the outside. They're making such abig deal out of it. And it's
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and like to and it's unfortunate becauseright now it's happening big within the heights.
In the Heights, it's happening hugebecause what happened was did you have
any of you guys seen it?So basically it takes place in Washington Heights,
New York, which is prominly darkerskinned Latins, but they cast lighter
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skin So now all the dark skinnedLatins and black people are up up.
Why didn't I hire darker skinned ones? Well, we see your point.
That demographic is like that. Butstill they hired still Latin people for the
role just because they're a little lighter. There are lighter ones, but so
that's the problem. But again,it's all people on the outside. You're
never going to see someone inside Hollywood. So that was my question you was
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you should be able to go outfor a Latin girl. Yes, and
but the public doesn't accept it,right, not necessarily, And I get
both sides. What I want tosee now is just diversity, yes,
yeah, Like that's all I wantis just no more full on white shows
like and I'm honestly, why arewe also only having black shows African American?
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But but let's just blend. Let'sjust have everything great art, yes,
and and yes, check Sree Luncanis probably not going to come up
on the it's probably like a hardand raised in Switzerland. Check. Yeah,
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because we read that one more timewith scripture of the character like that.
But I'm okay with that. ButI think our future is changing now
and it's so wonderful to see thathappen. Yeah, And the whole industry
is changing. It's like it's evolving, So it is it is. This
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is why it's such a great topic. To talk about it. Yeah,
because women ethnicity is ageism needs tostop, and it is because I love
seeing shows women in their forties orfifties. I'm like, beautiful, absolutely
well. I'm seeing that more behindthe camera now than in front of it,
being on the producing side, staffingup crew. I'm seeing a big
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age discrimination coming to people. Really. Oh yeah, yeah, like the
Friends TV Doctor Friends. You geta certain they think you've lost touch,
only like in their fift that is, but a crafty friend that did it
for many years. She's family tous now and she was the top of
the field. But once they hita certain age, they think you can't
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do that position. They start gettingthe youth, they start getting the younger
who getting dured the It's still verysuperficial. Oh yeah, oh yeah,
but I'm discrimination, which I didn'tknow, so thank you for informant.
Oh yeah. But even act actressesthought that by the age of thirty five
they'd be done. And I feellike now it's like, no, it's
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just watchman, We're just getting started, just getting started. And now you
see a lot of shows with NicoleKim like women that are interesting, jeans,
smart, oh my god, andjust these women that have such substance.
Thank you. I was just goingwhen I watch these w B shows
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with all these young kids, they'repretty right. It's about it as far
as that's great we look at.But if you want substance, and definitely
want to, I want to bringup a day you bring in that's gonna
make you like feel like I'm gonnabring that day that you we both said
Jean Smart, I mean all themayor of Eastown, Oh my god,
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and you she just did a moviewith Jeane and and that to me,
that is the level of professional youwant to end up at. And the
honesty. And I mean and Ialso say this because because Sissy reminds me
of her so much, that theyhave the same heart towards people. It's
a career there, they love it, they're doing great at it, but
ultimately, families and most one ofthe most more things in the day.
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And and I remember as in themall with my my um my wife.
Uh and I did a pilot withGane and I was standing there my my
first baby, and I felt someonecould put a hug behind me and I
was like, who is this?And I was like, is it my
wife? That is Gene and she'slike, hey, you, what are
you doing there? I was like, what are you doing? And she's
like, is this your wife andkids? Is? She really wanted to
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know who my family is. Talkedabout him on set enough. But that's
who this is. It is thatlove for who you are, Yes,
is what got her to where she'sat from. Yes, I I truly
believe, especially with you, thatyou're just about to blow up, blow
up, You're just about you knowsee. I feel like you're caring that
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you know it. That's the thingis. But that doesn't change her is
what's amazing. She is still mylittle sister. Yeah. And that's how
you make in this town, isyou know it? Yeah? And then
you everything starts to come to you, speaking to which I want to ask
you, what are like three traitsthat you think are the most important for
an actor to that unwavering that theyshould have in this town to really take
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it to the next level. That'sso funny you just talked about it.
Faith. Yes, it doesn't matterwhat faith you have, but I have.
I am so insecure. I havelow self worth at times, and
I still suffer from anxiety, allthis all the stuff, But I have
faith in myself. Yeah, andI have faith in God, whatever or
you believe in. That's fine,but putting your faith outside of yourself.
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Then we talked about it being ofservice on set. Offset Just serve other
people and ask for nothing in return, expect nothing in return. You're just
there for them. Things will flowyour way automatically, and then gratitude,
Be grateful. You're you're following yourdream, You're ahead of the game.
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You're just people are working nine tofive in jobs that they hate just to
get a paycheck. We get todo what we love. We have fun,
and that's the thing. Have fun. If I could tell my younger
self one thing is just have fun. Who cares you're grades that no one's
going to ask you what grades yougot. And parents are gonna hate me
right now watching watching this, Buthonestly, just kids should be enjoying themselves
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and even as you grow older.Right now, I'm more kid than ever.
I ride my bicycle every day.I you know, I swim under
the pool and hold my breath likeI'm still a child. And that's how
I think we should live life.By not be too serious. We're not
saving lives here as actors, buthopefully we're considered essential during COVID. Yes,
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we entertain I'm sorry, but werehuge thing right now. Sorry,
we're a second to you guys,sister, Yeah, but we do.
How many people have we inspired?Exactly? Actually watched? How many people
survived being locked up for a year? Yea? How many Netflix shows did
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you watch? How many ideas itinspired? How many people inspire you do
things you never would have done.That's what we do. We inspire.
Tell us about working on the ProjectSenior Moment with William Shatner and Christopher Lloyd.
What was that scene like? Workingwith two literally living legend was?
What was it like? And youknow, honestly, and Jean Smart was
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part of that movie, and shewas the one that I connected with the
most because she was my mom.But they were such class act And that's
the thing, Like, I wantto see movies with people that you know,
in their seventies and there. Iwant to see people from all ages.
That doesn't mean I don't want tosee a fifteen year old fifteen year
olds you know, in high school. I want to see it all.
But just the experience that comes withbeing that age, I mean, that's
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the thing. This is maybe totallyunrelatable, but men in their fifties wanting
to day twenty year olds and thenthey they're surprised that it doesn't work out.
Well, it's because that the twentyyear old only has a certain amount
of experience in their lives. Andit's the same thing with acting, Like
the older you get, the moreexperienced, the more talent you acquire.
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Like as we talked about the substancethat comes with it, and those gentlemen
they proved all of that, theyhad all of that. I carried themselves
differently. Then you know a twentyyear old on set that's on his phone
the whole time, snapchatting whatever elseis. But but none of that is
happening with people of that caliber.They're they're not on their phones in between
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takes. They're they're like in thezone. Thank you for saying that.
A friend recently, and he's abig choreographer. I won't say his name,
but he tried to get ahold ofme while I was on set working
and he got mad at me.Later, I'm like, dude, I
don't care my phone to set.He's, oh, why not you should?
I said, first of all,it's kind of distracting. If it's
on set, I want to golook at it, or if I'm sitting
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between takes, I'm not connecting,like you just said, and that's so
funny, like over thirty five orat least me, I don't like to
take it to set because I wantto connect with between takes. I want
to talk to you. Yeah,you know, let's talk talk to people
on the crew blah blah blah,but on the on the phone the whole
time. So there's generation of suband you know, I feel like it's
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also of his twitch for some people, if they don't know how to do
it, maybe get on your phoneto start looking busy because they don't know.
They don't know how to talk.You talk to these kids, so
what's going on with meedily, geton your phone, that's the case.
Why not bring a piece of paperand draw, Why not, like,
actually do something creative versus b onsocial media. There's so many other options
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for you, guys. I'm nota huge talker necessarily onset, especially if
I'm diving into a deep character thatyou know that's pretty anti antisocial. Whatever,
there's a moment to have social time, and there's also a time to
reflect, and I always bring anotepad and I start writing journaling like whatever
it is, there's there's a wayto always be in the game. Absolutely,
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absolutely, absolutely. I want toask you about you did a movie
called Fatal Affair with Omar Epps andthere tell the actors all of us,
there's a scene in there that's reallylike a sexual scene and it's pretty intense.
Now, tell us this is whereher mom has to turn it off.
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By the way, my mom runslines with me on everything. Really,
she has heard me say the worstword. She said the words me
like it's that. Yeah, she'sthe best. I was in a predicament
this morning. I had to putsome on tape and and and I couldn't
find anybody read with me. Mydaughter, I had her read with me,
and there was a cuss word asshole, and I had to I changed
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the ahole. So I said,you can't you have to say a hole.
You can't say as bro um.So I want to ask you and
tell the audience what was your Whatwas it like for you going to somewhere
so vulnerable? Did how people understandwhen you have to do something so intense
like that, Do you just releaseyourself? And go. Now was the
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crew on set or did they removethem? Oh? No, they It's
always a close set. I meanany sex scene that I've done anyway was
cleared out. That is really andHelen Mirren just said it on her Masterclass.
Sex scenes are not sexy like theyare not They are awkward, they
are sweaty like it's it's really likepeople are like, ooh, did you
like It's like no, and there'slike ten people watching it is like oh,
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but like a little bit more tothet. So it's like a commercial
for food. That's the one partwhere you don't have to think like you're
not folks, Like that's the socialtime where you're gonna be like, so,
how's the kids, How's how's yourwife? Like what you know?
So and and Omar was such aclass act and he made me feel so
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safe. And now, luckily,which I'm so glad about, they have
these people that come to said wherethat's their job. They come in and
they're sort of supervising all the sexscenes and they they're like, how do
you feel about your hand? Theirhand there? How do you feel about
you know? And so, becausethere's I think it's fantastic the fact that
we didn't have that before is insane. It is so delicate, and especially
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for young women coming into town,like they get I've of course, all
women have had experiences just being mistreatedor oh, and it scares me having
a daughter, I'm like trying tobasically can whether Yeah, I mean,
the odds are greater like teaching themhow to like, but I get it
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like every woman. Unfortunately, itboggles my mind because I've never disrespected a
woman in my life, and soboggles of mind. There's men out there
that are willing to, you know, break their integrity to do whatever is
necessary to be close to women orand they don't think about respecting another human
being. But anyway we're going,we're getting way off topic there. I
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do that. No, it's okay, no, because you have substance.
A lot of people come in hereand they just talking about acting and the
entertainment. That's great, but youhave substance. Speaking of substance, she's
a freaking golfer. Man came up. I have called her mini ties.
He what are you the area?Yeah, you won't come by. No,
I'm right in the middle of agolf game. What I saw this
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girl has some form, and shedoes like she sometimes looked angry. So
there's a few times you're like,oh, I'm like, oh my god,
collars and her pants and her littlegloves. That's like my alter ego.
But honestly, you know, Isaw you were on like a team,
and I was on the Swiss nationalteam here and then went to college
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with with golf as well. That'sright. No, you should see her
when you look at look her uplater over. I was like, she
no clue. I was like,her form before I knew that you'd been
on teams, I said, herform is freaking amazing. What the hell
could I like to golf? Iwas like, what's awesome? And then
I saw she really, I amnowhere near How did your did one?
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Your parents? My my dad gotvery much into it, so did my
mom, and we played as afamily. There you go. Then it
was sort of did your mom beatyour dad at golf? Yes, she
did, but then that was thetricky thing. Then I got better,
and it was the one thing Iwas good at, right, My sister
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was good at everything else. Myfamily they're all a bunch of intellectuals,
and they're they're incredibly smart and Iwas kind of like the black the artist
and you know, but but golfwas one thing where I was like,
I can do this at something,you know. So that was the opening
of like building a little bit ofself confidence. That's so funny because that's
my family too. My parents andmy brother are the intellectuals and I'm the
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black Sheep artist and they still dothis day thing I have meant. They're
like, oh, poor Curtie.Yeah. Oh, whenever I say something
smart, They're like, you knowthat the sun rises in the east,
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Yeah, exactly, exactly. Now, speaking of sports, you're married to
a legend, and I just wantedto talk about this real quick because I
I love the sport. He soher husband is basically a legend in rugby
in the United States, and rugbyis not cool in the United States,
not popular. It's big in Europe, in Australia and New Zealand in other
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countries. But the reason why Iknow a lot about it is because I
played football in college and my collegehad a rugby team, and so a
lot of my fraternity brothers and friendswere on the team, so I really
got to watch it. And it'sthe best, most toughest, most amazing
sport that exists on the planet.So to be like a legend like he
is, you know, he wasthe he was he's retired, but he
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was the first American rugby union playerwho holds share in an Austin Austin Elite
Rugby. He became the first Americanto play super rugby at the international level.
He was a member of the UnitedStates national team, served as captain,
as the most capped player in UnitedStates rugby history. And that's her
husband. He just entered the Hallof Fame. Oh that's freaking awesome.
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So so that's that's Have you learnedabout rugby? Because rugby is a hard
sport to understand, Like, haveyou ever tried to watch it? I've
watched it exactly because when you watchit, you're like, if you don't
know, exausted, you guys areall invited by the way and in the
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down in the scrump pushing each other. Honestly, have no idea. I've
never watched a rugby game until afew months ago. Even while I had
no idea, Like they look theyget in the line between in the line
and they pushed each other back andforth, and it looks like a bunch
of like like goats pushing each otherback forward and pushing pushing sort. He
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is a beast. I mean heis. He inspires me so much,
talk about work ethic. He isjust so focused and he's the he like
we obviously met for a reason weboth work so hard. And um,
his family is first, Like he'sjust so generous and um, he is
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all man however, like there's nofemininity to him, there's no like we're
you know, he's just a man. Yes, and um, I've never
really been used to that, likeso much in the industry. I'm not
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even surprised. I saw them mydaughter's father's day presence mine's coming up this
weekend, and well having daughter's helps. By the way, he has a
daughter, which which helps him atYes, And I mean he can be
a total soft day with me.But I think that's the thing with men
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in our industry are totally different artistsand everything. So learning about and being
an athlete and what that entails,it's actually pretty similar to us. Yes,
you know, the ups and thedowns, the winds, the losses,
the you know. I love thatyou said that because that's one of
my ongoing themes in the show.Being an athlete myself is I compare it
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to athletics, and I always tellpeople who if you never played sports like
organized, you don't get it.But it's so similar. The work ethic,
the dedication, the commitment to it, the winds, the losses,
the no quid attitude. I findthe people who are athletes that are in
this industry they find success because anathlete, you're there's no if you lose,
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you're like I lost. Next,Yeah, I got knocked down next,
Yeah there's no oh no, you'relike, fuck, I'm gonna do
better. He has broken every boneand yeah, but and yeah, I
think there's so many similarities between thesport and and and just being in the
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moment. Todd does no spiritual work, right, he works out, he
runs, But he is the mostspiritual person I know because he's present.
Yes, it's like and even youknow, if we have an argument whatever,
like he's over it because he's justin the moment. And and that
to me is greater than all thework I don't happen to have found each
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other because and honestly, it's greatto see people that have found that love
and that because we all I thinkdeep downside want that and you found congratulations,
Thank you. That's freak. That'sgoing to take you to the next
level in your life, like canelevate youth to have that support. And
it's not without its challenges, butit's the best kind of challenges. And
that's the thing. And it's thesame with our acting careers. It's the
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same with anything, right, Nothinggood comes with ease and with comfort.
You have to be outside. Hetalks about being outside of your comfort zone,
and that's all it is. Youhave to be outside of your comfort
zone if you want to move,if you want to grow, if you
want to expand. Now I'm goingto close it up because she has to
get going. We're over time.Now, one last thing before I have
a bunch of bullet point questions Ialways ask at the end. It's but
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we're going. There's one more thingI want to ask you. Now with
all the LGBTQ things happening and allthe you know, the awareness of it
because we're talking about ethnicity, butalso that I read somewhere that you you
are bisexual, yes or so?And I want again, we're here to
help people and there's millions. Imean, I have cousins, I have
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an uncle, I have friends family, you know, we all do that
have been scared and now are morefeeling more freedom to be themselves. Now,
what was it? What was yourWhat was it like when you first
had to tell you you reveal toyour family? Was it was? I
only told them pretty much right beforeI met my husband because I was dating
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a girl at the time, andI just thought, well, you know,
if photos come out or whatever itis, I just and and I've
always felt that way. But forme, I can't even call it bisexual
anymore because I just realized I fallin love with people. It's not like
I could have ended up, youknow, with a transgendered person or whatever
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it is. And you've seen thepeople I've dated. There's no rhyme or
reason to who I fall in lovewith. It's not about looks, it's
not It's just the essence of theyeah, no picture, no. And
I just think perhaps that's our futurebecause I just see so many young people
now working in schools and everything thatare like I don't I don't know if
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I like women men. I'm like, you don't have to you don't have
to know. I just like,well, because we're elevating our consciousness too
as humans. It's just kind ofcoming with time, so we're connecting more
to people. We used to connectto the outside, the exterior, which
but now we're connecting to what's insideaspect of who the person is exactly.
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And the shame, the shame thatpeople are generation or my generation have had
to feel growing I grew up guys. But it's funny even me saying that
now, I'm like, oh gosh, like, you know, there's still
that moment of because I grew upin Switzerland, because I grew up with
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a more conservative environment. Because youknow, of course it was hard coming.
I mean it was extremely hard beingopen about it. But the truth
is, like my first crush wasa girl, Yeah, and I had
to hide that. Why Yeah,because I thought I was not normal,
because I thought that there was somethingwrong with me. But I just,
you know, ended up dating guysbecause that felt real. But then I
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got to experience society said that wasexactly but being brave enough to step again
outside of your comfort zone experience differentthings in life. Because there's nothing wrong
with loving someone. There is nothingwrong with sharing a bond, whether it's
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again like a man, a woman, whatever, it's so beautiful to It's
so beautiful to hear you say thisand say it with such not a definition,
but a feeling because I understand whatyou talk about. I understand that
so well, because like I lookat people and I see the most beautiful
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people. And I remember once Iwas a little kid and I looked at
this man and I said, Ilove your eyebrows. And my brother went,
why did you say that? Hehas those beautiful eyebrows? And I
mean it sounds, but it's it'sum. When you get past the physical,
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you find something so beautiful. Yeah, that only can exist when you
connect. And you said, like, thank you for saying no though,
Brad Pitts are you're looking at though? Yeah? And people are gonna ask
me maybe for you know, peoplestill come up to me and they're like,
(35:32):
are you gonna miss being with me? And I'm like, no,
it has nothing to do with that. I'm never gonna love. It doesn't
matter who you're with, exactly inlove right now. So thank you for
saying that, because I want peopleto understand, be free who you are,
connect with whoever. Like it's timeto realize, don't don't care what
society tells. You want your parentsor family or brothers and sister be who
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you are brave enough to be whoyou are. And until you are brave
enough, that's fine too. Youcan be who you are. You know,
I was in the closet, soto speak, forever, and that
was fine too. That was myjourney, and that's maybe yours. And
and that's that's coming in on theheels of California now just added I don't
know if you guys follow the news, California added five more states. California
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has this list of states that areanti LGBTQ, and California banned travel there
unless it's not essential for like statestate workers to go there. So certain
states are on this list, theNebraska's and the Tennessee's and Alabamas, and
so California is trying to make astand and saying, hey, we don't
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agree with your so we're not goingto allow any of our state workers go
there for work or anything unless it'sabsolutely an emergency. Because until you change
your stance on this, and Ithink that's phenomenal, it's got to start
somewhere. It's got to start withpeople. Yeah, challenging because it's not
always easy for me to also bringup, especially now being married and all
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of that. But but people needto hear this no matter you know,
that goes beyond my own ego orfears or whatever it is. And we
all have that. We all havethose those things that that bring us to
a level higher level where it's justit's not about us anything. I was
just gonna say what you just said, which was so beautiful. It wasn't
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about you, It was about yourexperience that everyone has, right, and
you know, like it's I rememberbeing a little kid and seeing a beautiful
like a guy and they're going like, oh, like he's handsome, and
I remember going, oh wow,And I remember going, there's nothing wrong
with them. And I remember tellingsomeone, right, you shouldn't say that,
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yeah, And I went, buthe's handsome. But I remember someone
going, you shouldn't say that.I go, I don't find anything wrong
with that. No. In fact, it's it's just love. It's a
compliment. Like the fact that peopleare scared of it. It should it
should be more of a reflection ofwhat they're going through. Yes, and
thank you for sharing that, Andthat's why I saved it for the k
(38:05):
I need. I kind of wantedto wait and feel this out, see
where we ended up, see ifI felt safe asking. And again,
any this isn't live anyway. Sothat's why I was like, if she
didn't want to talk about we justcut it out. But I felt it
was important because, like I had, I had actually miss Uh miss uh
Utah on my show recently and she'sthe first LGBTQ bisexual miss us. So
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she was just on a few weeksago and she's the first one to ever
come out and compete and she wonMiss Utah and then she went to,
oh, yeah, that's right,and so it's like it's such a big
deal and I want more people tobe open about Yeah. And I also
think these people were all on hisspectrum, right, We're all there's no
like black and white, and youknow, I say, my my husband
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is like all male and maybe he'slike the most extreme, you know,
but but but we're all right therein a in a blend and even he
as being all man, is capableof seeing how love is love. Yeah,
that's not your cup of tea,right, it's not your taste,
okay, but but that's fine.You have other tastes. I'm okay with
(39:15):
your taste. Why can't you beokay with my exactly? Thank you?
That's all this and so it's allabout tolerance. I'm okay with your taste,
be okay with fine. Yeah,we'll get along. I'll send it
with this the last people here wego. Boom boom booms. This is
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so. What are three things Ifind in your grocery carts? Oh my
gosh, I love right now.It's not a race. You can take
your time. Okay, this issuper weird, but I love it and
(39:57):
you should try it if you're adventurous. But I love watermelon. It's super
fresh in the summer. Watermelon,cottage cheese, and a little bit of
pepper. Oh my god, I'vehad the watermelon with the college cottage che's
never done the pepper a spice.So those are your three things. Pepper,
watermelon, cottage cheese. I loveit. Your top three favorite bands
(40:20):
are mutical musical artists of all timethat you love your thoughts My queen of
all queens, one that inspired meeven to be an artist, as Alicia
Keys love. Oh you kind oflook like her? Oh my gosh,
stop no, her eyes their eyesso why does that keep happening because you're
(40:43):
a superstar and you look so goodon So I love her. Have you
seen her? What's that thing onNetflix? The documentary she did? Yeah,
it's you haven't seen it for itreally shows a side of her that
you don't get to see. Iwalked through her on a show and let
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me just not to stop this,but you gotta hear this has gotta be
said. It was the pop whatwas it called the Pop Show something like
that when the kids come and thehip hop game or shot in the pop
Game, that's what. And shewas a judge on it. And this
little girl came at the end ofthe show and they were shooting everybody out
and I was the first ad onit, and we were told not to
let anybody give her because she wassuch a And I said, miss Keyes,
(41:24):
this girl wants your autograph. IsI'm being told to shoot her out?
But could you sign out? Shegoes. You tell them I'm signing
autograph. If they have a problemthat they come see me. Yea.
And it was a simple It's likeshe was a Kim Sweet Arts because I'll
sign it for it was just that'swho she was. It's so funny because
a lot of times people's handlers willsay no, no one but themselves.
She was like hanging the photo withme too, and she was all the
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time. Okay, what is ohwait, we didn't finish, so Lisa
Keys, Alicia Keys, um waitmusicians or artists or anyone. I mean,
I grew up being a crazy fanof Eminem. Noways get it they
got up to say, but othercomes out like a Jim Erish. He
could now go to talk about Dredynthe Eminem exactly. He's just such a
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poet and just such a genius andI just love I just respect that.
And then um cliche. Well,no, actually I'm gonna go with Tom
Hanks. I was gonna say MerylStreep, but Tom Hanks, Tom Hanks.
No oh sorry you said you saidI could do musicians or act,
either soul artists or bands. Thenokay, sorry because I was gonna go
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with an actor, but another bandor musicians. Wolf Um, I'm old
school. I love soul trained likeits perfect. Yeah, and so well,
since you threw it out, wasn'ta question your favorite artist is Tom
Hanks or Meryl Street. Tom Hanks, Meryl Streep, the best. I
mean, yeah, yeah, Ijust such a Forrest Gump is like one
(43:07):
of my favorite movies. Um,Sacramento State went to my Yeah. What
is the biggest trait or lesson orthing that you learned from your father?
M m uh. That's a toughone because him and I have had a
(43:27):
very interesting relationship throughout our lives.But I think from him I learned my
work ethic perfect, and then fromyour mother unconditional love. Yes, what
is your mantra? Thank you?It's the words I use the most.
(43:51):
Love it. There's your gratitude.What is one statement that would describe your
twenty twenty People are gonna hate this, maybe, but bliss? Yeah so
so no they're not. And it'sfunny because most people come in here with
But I knew what your answer wasbecause I saw your twenty twenty picture.
(44:12):
She was in love, she wasquarantine with a dude. Just those photos
though amazing. Spent your first yearin quarantine with your guy. Of course
I knew what your answer was goingto be. When you said you're gonna
hate me, I said, Iknow it wasn't just that. Can I
just be honest? Yes, itwas I mean just falling in love is
the best. But it also allowedme to stop yeah and pause. I
(44:37):
am go, go, go,NonStop, and I realized just I found
my childlike self again. I wasable to play again and people like myself.
This always always worked more with youcan't stop and take it in from
me. You think it reset yourselfto what life's about, not this.
(44:58):
Yeah, it was the best timeof my life. I had a year
with my two daughters and I wouldnever change it. It was like I
was there nine to five with Itwas like amazing to watch them grow foot
year phenomenal. Yeah, I knowsome people don't. I mean, you
know we're not We're not. Letme, let's make this claim not at
all like turning down what happened.Oh my gosh, we're not away,
(45:23):
you asked me, and I'm gonnaand we start talking about ours. But
this is about her. So finalquestion, and the funny thing is you
actually answered this one earlier without realizingit. And let's see if you remembered
what you said and see what youranswer is. If you can go back
in time for two minutes, kneeldown and you're facing your third or fourth
(45:45):
grade self, what would you tellher. Oh yeah, I said,
have fun, have more fun.But a third or fourth grade? What
how old are you then, becausewe have a different squere about eight or
nine, nine years old? Eightor nine. Just enjoy the journey,
enjoy the ride. It's not there'sno arrival like I thought being on two
(46:06):
show, like I never thought I'deven make it on a movie like and
and I didn't have that little girldream where I'm going to be a star.
So what I got anyway was waybetter than what I looked at.
And you said, enjoy the thejourney, enjoy the Yeah, but she'll
get it, but she'll yeah it'strue. Um, but but just enjoy
(46:27):
each moment as it comes. There'sthere's no like, you know, I
just one of my friends that thatthat was my age passed away, and
we all have dreams that go beyondjust the fact that we're alive and that
we're Like just my birthday showed upand I was like, I just can't
believe I'm I get to live onthis planet another year. That for me,
(46:50):
COVID was a sweet, dear y, beautiful singing. Nowadays I'm start
(47:16):
even making it, but this isso thank you, thank you, thank
you. I mean yeah, whenI saw it was just like two days
ago. I was like, thisis so adorning from sunshine and it matches
your outfit. The flowers that orangesprinkles on their birth dud dear lord,
like this is I mean, thisis my eldest is this is It's always
(47:38):
there. So happy birthday. Thanksfor being here with us. Everybody's freaking
awesome. Jeremy go Broth, goodjob as user man, creaking bring the
house. We popped his cherry theversion. Yes, good job, you
(47:59):
are hi regular you you It's alwaysthe first one's only always an audition.
I can't tell you the amount ofpeople that have coming here and not been
invited back. So no, becausewhat happens. A lot of people didn't
say anything, and I tell themjust jump in at somebody off. You
were smart, great questions and socongratulations Lauren. Yeah. And then we
(48:24):
have our guest, Maya said fromGeneva, Switzerland. Thank you so much,
Happy birthday. Thanks for being partof the show and making it so
amazing. I'm excited for the worldto hear your story through usked through our
microphones. This is America's podcaster Kirkus, Sarah and what's your Name beIN the
podcast and good Night, good Night
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