22. The Barbarian Popes - Leading a Church in the Post-Roman World

When the last Western Roman Emperor was deposed in 476 CE, the papacy faced an existential crisis. This episode examines how popes from Simplicius to Gregory the Great transformed potential catastrophe into institutional opportunity, preserving Roman administrative traditions while forging diplomatic relationships with new barbarian rulers. Gelasius I's "two swords" doctrine, the complex navigation between Constantinople and Ostrogothic Italy, and Gregory's practical governance innovations reveal how the papacy reimagined itself for a post-Roman world.



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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Caalaroga shark media. In four hundred and seventy six CE,
a Germanic military commander named Odoaka deposed the last Western
Roman emperor, the teenage Romulus Augustulus. Though presented as a
mere administrative change at the time, this event traditionally marks

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the fall of the Western Roman Empire for the papacy,
which had developed within the Roman imperial framework for over
a century and a half. This political collapse created an
existential challenge. The popes who led the Church through this
tumultuous period found themselves in territory. No predecessor had navigated

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a post Roman world dominated by Barbarian kingdoms with varying
relationships to Catholic Orthodoxy. Some, like the Franks, would eventually
embrace Catholicism, Others, like the Ostrogoths who ruled Italy, followed
Arian Christianity that rejected key Catholic doctrines. Still others maintain

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traditional Germanic religious practices. Today, we examine how the papacy
survived and ultimately thrived in this radically altered landscape. We
explore how popes navigated relationships with new Barbarian rulers, how
they preserved Roman administrative and cultural frameworks within the Church,
and how they gradually established a more independent paper identity

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no longer defined by its relationship to imperial power. This
is the story of the Barbarian Popes, the leaders who
transformed the papacy from a Roman institution to one that
could outlast Rome itself. This is White Smoke Episode twenty

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two the Barbarian Popes. When odo Asa took control of Italy,
Pope Simplicious faced immediate practical challenges. The institutional structures that
had supported the post Constantinian papacy, imperial patronage, Roman administrative systems,

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established funding mechanisms suddenly existed in radically altered form or
disappeared entirely. The papacy had to quickly develop institutional self sufficiency,
explained doctor Kate Cooper, Professor of Ancient History at the
University of Manchester. Administrative systems that had been integrated with

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imperial governance needed to function independently. Funding that had partially
relied on imperial subsidies required alternative sources. Protection previously provided
by Roman military forces now depended on diplomatic relationships with
new rulers. Pope Simplicious and his immediate successors responded by

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consolidating church properties and administrative structures. Theological and textual evidence
reveals continued maintenance of major basilicus, functioning charitable institutions, and
operational ecclesiastical courts despite political upheaval. This institutional resilience demonstrated
the Church's capacity to preserve essential functions even as the

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political framework around it collapsed. What's remarkable about this period
is not that the Church changed dramatically, but that it
maintained such significant continuity amid broader social disruption, notes Dr
Thomas Noble, Professor Emeritus of History at the University of
Notre Dame. The papacy preserved literacy, administrative competence, and institutional

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memory when many secular structures failed. This preservation would prove
crucial for Europe's eventual cultural recovery. This practical resilience rested
on theological foundations developed in the preceding century. Augustine's influence
work The City of God, written after Rome's sack in
four hundred ten CE, had articulated a vision of the

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Church as a spiritual society distinct from any earthly empire.
This theological framework helped the post imperial papacy understand its
mission as transcending specific political arrangements, providing intellectual justification for
continued ecclesiastical development despite imperial collapse. Pope Gelasius exemplifies the

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diplomatic skills required for papal survival in the post Roman world.
During his pontificate, Italy was ruled by the Ostrogothic king Theodoric,
an Aryan Christian whose theological position the Catholic Church considered heretical.
Despite this fundamental religious disagreement, Galacius established a working relationship

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with Theodoric, the Ostrogothic king. Though maintaining Arianism for himself
and his Gothic followers generally allowed the Catholic Church to
operate without s interference. He recognized the practical value of
maintaining established religious structures that served the majority of his subjects.
Gelasius navigated this delicate situation by articulating what became known

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as the Two Swords doctrine, the concept that spiritual and
temporal authority should remain distinct yet complimentary. In a famous
letter to Emperor Anastasius in Constantinople, with whom Gelasius had
significant disputes, he wrote, two there are August emperor by
which this world is chiefly ruled, the sacred authority of

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the priests, and the royal power. Galasius's theoretical separation of
spiritual and temporal spheres provided a framework for the Church's
coexistence with non Catholic rulers, explains doctor Bronwin Neil, Professor
of Ancient History at Macquarie University. By distinguishing between political
submission required in secular matters and spiritual authority in religions,

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he created space for the papacy to maintain its essential
independence while acknowledging new political realities. This Glaysian principle would
guide papal diplomacy for centuries to come, particularly in relationships
with rulers whose actions or beliefs conflicted with Church teaching.
The distinction between necessary political accommodation and non negotiable spiritual

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positions allowed popes to maintain institutional functionality without compromising core
doctrinal commitments. Gelasius further strengthened the papacy's position by systematizing
church law and administrative procedures. His collection of official documents,
liturgical instructions, and administrative guidelines helped standardize church governance throughout

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territories no longer unified by imperial rule. These practical measures
ensured institutional continuity despite political fragmentation. As traditional Roman civil
structures declined, the papacy increasingly assumed responsibility for preserving classical knowledge,
administrative systems, and cultural forms. Pope Symarchus exemplified this preservation

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role through extensive building programs and document collection efforts that
maintained Roman architectural and literary traditions. The papacy became the
primary institutional repository of Roman civilization in the West, notes
doctor Julia Smith, Professor of Medieval History at the University
of Oxford. Papal chancery practices preserved Roman documentary traditions, Church

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architecture maintained classical forms, Ecclesiastical education continued emphasizing traditional liberal arts.
Through these preservation efforts, the church became not just a
religious institution but the guardian of Roman cultural memory. This
preservation had practical dimensions beyond mere cultural continuity. Roman administrative techniques,

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record keeping systems, property management approaches, organizational hierarchies provided effective
tools for church governance amid broader social breakdown. By maintaining
these practical traditions, the papacy developed administrative capabilities that would
later enable its expanded medieval role. The preservation of Roman

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universalism particularly influenced papal development. Where the Empire had created
a trans regional identity, transcending local affiliations, the post imperial
papacy increasingly presented itself as the institutional embodiment of universal Christianity,
transcending and merging national divisions. Papal correspondence from this period

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consistently emphasized the Church's supra ethnic character, rejecting identification with
any particular barbarian kingdom. This Roman memory functioned both practically
and symbolically. Practically, it maintained governance techniques essential for institutional effectiveness. Symbolically,
it positioned the papacy as the legitimate inheritor of Roman authority,

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not in strictly political terms, but as the guardian of
Roman civilization's achievements and universalist aspirations. While the Western Empire
had collapsed, the Eastern Empire later known as Byzantine, continued
from Constantinople, creating complex challenges for the papacy. Officially, pope's

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remained imperial subjects, as Italy was theoretically still part of
the Empire despite being under Ostrogothic control. This ambiguous position
required careful navigation between Constantinople's claims, barbarian realities, and papal independence.
Pope or Misdust demonstrated the diplomatic complexity of this position

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when Emperor Anastasius in Constantinople supported positions the papacy considered
heretical the Monophysite controversy regarding Christ's nature. Or misdas maintained
firm doctrinal opposition while avoiding political rebellion. After Anastasius's death,
or Mistus negotiated with the new emperor just In the

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First to heal the resulting schism between Eastern and Western churches.
The papacy developed a sophisticated approach to imperial relations during
this period, explains doctor George Democropolis, professor of theology at
Fordham University. Popes maintained theoretical respect for imperial authority while

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practically asserting independence in religious matters. They leveraged Constantinople's desire
for legitimacy and unity to secure concessions without surrendering ecclesiastical autonomy.
This complex positioning became even more challenging. When Eastern Emperor
Justinian launched his ambitious reconquest of the Western territories beginning

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in five thirty five c e. Pope Virgilius found himself
caught between Justinian's attempts to dictate theological positions and the
practical realities of a devastating Gothic war that reduced much
of Italy to ruin. Virgilius's troubled pontificate, including his forced
journey to Constantinople, capitulation to imperial demands, followed by resistance

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and death before returning to Rome, illustrated the papacy's vulnerability
when caught between competing powers. Yet even this difficult period
demonstrated institutional resilience, as the papacy maintained its essential functions
despite the pope's absence and the war's devastation. As the

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sixth century progressed, the papacy increasingly developed authority mechanisms suited
to a politically fragmented world without imperial infrastructure connecting distant regions,
popes created alternative networks based on ecclesiastical structures, culture influence,
and spiritual authority. Pope Gregory, often called the Great exemplifies

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this development. His pontificate created a template for effective papal
leadership in the post Roman world. Through several key innovations
missionary strategy, Gregory dispatched organized missions to regions beyond former
imperial boundaries, most famously sending Augustine to convert Anglo Saxon, England.

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These missions established direct relationships between newly converted areas and
Rome by passing the declining metropolitan structure of the post
Roman church. Practical governance, his Pastoral Rule provided practical guidance
for bishops throughout Western Christianity, establishing standards for clerical conduct
and administrative practice. This text created a shared governance approach

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despite political fragmentation. Cultural production, Gregory's writings, including homilies, biblical commentaries,
and hagiographies, created intellectual frameworks that integrated classical learning with
Christian theology informs accessible to the post Roman world. These
works became foundational texts for Medieval Christianity practical charity. When

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imperial systems for feeding Rome's population collapsed, Gregory organized church
based distribution networks that maintained essential services. This practical administration
demonstrated the Church's capacity to perform functions previously managed by
imperial authorities. Gregory's papacy marks the full emergence of a
distinctive post imperial papal model, notes doctor Carroll Straw, Professor

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Emerita of History at Mount Holyoke College. He combined traditional
Roman administrative competence with scriptural authority, practical governance with spiritual leadership.
This integration created a papacy capable of functioning effectively without
imperial support, a truly post Roman institution. This Gregory and
synthesis created foundations for the medieval papacy's expanded role. By

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developing authority mechanisms independent of imperial structures, Gregory and his
predecessors ensured the institution's survival and eventual flourishing despite the
Western Empire's collapse. Their innovations transformed potential catastrophe into opportunity
for ecclesiastical development. By the early seventh century, the Barbarian

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popes had fundamentally reimagined their office for a post Roman world.
The institution they developed differed significantly from both its persecuted
origins and its imperial phase, combining elements of both while
adapting to new realities from its persecuted period. The papacy
maintained a sense of mission, transcending political structures, a capacity

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to function without state support if necessary. From its imperial phase,
it preserved administrative systems, cultural forms, and theoretical framework that
enabled effective governance. To these foundations, the Barbarian popes added
diplomatic flexibility, cultural preservation functions, and authority mechanisms suited to

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political fragmentation. This transformed papacy would face further challenges Islamic expansion,
Frankish alliances, conflicts with Constantinople that would continue reshaping the
institution throughout the early medieval period, but the foundations established
during the immediate post Roman transition enabled these subsequent adaptations

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By creating a papacy no longer dependent on imperial frameworks
for its essential functioning, The Barbarian popes demonstrate institutional resilience
at its most impressive, the capacity to maintain core identity
and functions despite radical external transformation. Their achievement in preserving

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not just the papacy itself, but substantial elements of Roman
civilization would provide essential continuity between ancient and medieval worlds,
making the Church the primary bridging institution across Europe's most
significant cultural transition. White Smoke is a production of Calaroga
Shark Media.