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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome Saints fans to the hood. That professional podcast live reaction.
I mean, we didn't even wait a second. Pick nine
is in Kelvin Banks, junior offensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Here we are.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
It is hands down one of the most New Orleans
Saints picks you can do.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm not even trying to say that in a negative way,
just that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
In fact, you and I very briefly taught before because
Carolina went and took Ted McMillan.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And I'm wondered.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I wondered were the Saints looking at that and then,
very similarly to what happened back in the Ryan Ramcheck
draft where they wanted somebody else gets picked, they default
to a position of need, but more importantly, an area
that they always value very highly, the trenches, and they
choose Kelvin Banks junior. Now'd be very clear, I'm gonna
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give you my thoughts on him.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
But wasn't a quarterback. And I told y'all I wasn't
gonna play go after quarterback. It was multiple of y'all
who were convinced.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And the last time I need to say this, stop
listening to the media. The offseason. Media wants clicks. You
know what, gets clicks, Shedur Sanders, Jackson Dart, they might
trade up for cam Ward. No, have you met Mickey Loomis.
For those of you who haven't, let me go ahead and.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Tell you not happening. Okay, stop that.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
There were people who were showing me their bets of
like it was like plus nine hundred and stuff, and
I went, good for you, get ready to lose money.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Not happening. Welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Sorry if that sounds harsh, guys, I'm just some people,
especially on social media. I saw it on Reddit, I
saw it on Twitter. They were just bought in. Quarterback
was going to happen. I'm like, I don't know what
y'all doing, but sure whatever. Anyway, my name's ratn this
is Elias. Let's talk about it. What do you think, Elias?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
You know I expected it.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
You know, my sources were telling me that the Saints
really do like Spencer Ratler and that that may have
been the reason that Derek Carr got a little uptight
because the Saints wanted to move on to Ratler. They've
got a nice model to follow of the Titans, what
they did with Will Levis give them a chance. You know, see,
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if you can find your quarterback. If you don't, you're
probably picking low enough in a year to get your quarterback. Anyway,
it's a win win situation. I think you do want
to get him some competition at some point, but I
think regardless of the approach, you want to build the
team up so that it can support a young player,
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be that a young quarterback this year or a young
quarterback next year. Either way, you know Derek Carr isn't
the future, so it's better to kind of build up
those stretches first. I like to pick simple reason. I
read that there's a statistic that hitting on offensive linemen
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after day one, your chances drop pretty solidly.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Similarly to quarterback actually after round now New Orleans being
the exception of that rule. But similarly, you look at starters,
they're gone.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I would have I would preferred had we been able
to trade back and pick up like an extra pick
and still get a tackle.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
But I'm not upset with the pick because because of.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
The value it is you're getting your You have to
win a line of scrimmage in football. I think last
year we saw far too often the team lost the
battle of the line of scrimmage on both the offensive
and defensive side. I think you also have to look
at potentially, hey, where can we fit Kelvin Banks.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I think he can play guard. I think he can
play tackle.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I think year one you focus on maybe getting the
best players on the field so you fit in, get in.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Where he fits in.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
If that means Penning stays at right tackle and he
plays left guard, fine, But I think in the year
there's potential to maybe move him.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The right tackle.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Uh, maybe you want to testimy that left tackle first,
and maybe you want to see Fooaga move back over
to right tackle, and then you want to from Banks
can play left tackle.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You've got some options.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
That's the beauty and picking offensive line you can kind
of fit them. But I asked you the question prior
to us going on, because when Mickey Lewis went on earlier,
I think and yesterday, he said that at nine they
are looking for a player they can play eight to
ten years. Doesn't have to necessarily be a home run,
doesn't have to be a home run, doesn't have to
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be a pro bowler, but somebody they can say that
we can plug and play in this position for the
next eight to ten years.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
And your answer was, what when it comes to Kelvin Banks.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yes, I do believe he could do that one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Thank you got it.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I think that's a I think that's a successful pick
at nine. If that's your philosophy, I'm not upset with it.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Let me give everybody a full rundown and don't worry
because this is.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
A live edition of the HUDA Professional Podcast, Season nine,
Episode three.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
We're gonna actually grab some of y'all's thoughts as we
get towards the end. But I'm wanna give y all
full sets of information before we do that, including opinions
from people that I trust, including one of the people
who trained me in offensive line evaluation, as well as others.
So Matt Miller, who is a very well known name
in the draft world, gave a comp of Rickshawn Slater.
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Many Saints fans are probably familiar with that name, would
probably be happy with that as a pick. Now, here's
what the analysis from ESPN dot com says. Banks started
forty two games at left tackle in three seasons for Texas.
Fires off the ball, walls off defenders, and generates push
in the run game. He's effective in combo blocking like
duo blocking, and is smooth working up to the second level.
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Reaches backside defenders, tackles and linebackers. Has large hands, tough
to beat once he latches onto a blocker, and he
has the body control and changing direction to mirror and
recover his footwork when sound now you said something big
for me that I want to address real quick, and
you said where would we play him? And one of
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the premier names in offensive line evaluations. I'm not saying
he's the end all be all, but he does help
choose the reward for the best set of offensive linemen
in college football. He also trains some of the best
offensive linemen ever, including Ron Armstead. Armstead credited him for
extending his career. But here's what Duke Manniweather had to
say back in April, a few days ago before the
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draft about Kelvin Banks.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I think he'd be an excellent offensive guard.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Out of the top ots in this draft, Banks is
the lesser athlete you see it on tape and reflects
and testing. If you compare to other top ots, he
tests more like a guard, gets out of position a lot.
His feet aren't always efficient and it hurts his ability
to recover in pass pro. In the run game, he
doesn't close space well, gets thrown off blocks. And for
all of you who care about athletic scores, this, believe
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it or not, is actually been with the worst scoring
as far as Saints go rass for an offensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
He did not have a single movement agility ability.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
None of the drills where he got a green score,
all of it was yellow meaning closer to average, only
slightly above average when we're used to seeing them take
very elite athletic type of linemen that maybe aren't as
fundamentally sound. Because to be clear, I do think Kelvin
Banks has a lot of good fundamentals, but he is
not a very hyper as league guy, which was something
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that Sean Payton was known for. He had a requirement
in that when he was drafting any player, especially in
the first and second round. So that brings up where
does he play. I think he eventually replaces Trevor Penning
at right tackle, and I think that would be a
good fit for him. But if he ends up being
a guard, you picked a guard at nine and that's.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Going to be a tough sell to the Saints community.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
You picked the player that you can have eight to
ten years at nine.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
That's the best way to lose.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But at the same time, look who else is going.
We know the look that we're allowed to have our
little it's an instant reaction, so we can be a
little bit emotional and stuff. But look who was on
the board. You and I were talking before the show.
Who are you saying you wanted? He's actually still.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
There, Jaylen walcome Baker his another reason six five three
fifteen thirty three and a half inch on him sending
it in third three eighths inch chance.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Big people beat up little people.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah, that's and and I think that's the philosophy, whether
Peyton is there or not.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I think that's an Ireland philosophy. That's a they believe
in that. And I don't think that win anywhere just
because of Peyton.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Give me the offensive, lineman, because I still want to
establish the trenches.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I want to win the trenches.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And if I am going with Rattler, if I'm going
with a young quarterback one, I need to be able
to protect him up there up the gut. Why well,
because Ratler's about the same height with Drew. If you
look at me, looks very small out there. So if
I'm building this team and I'm probably gonna have a
young rattler likely starting, I'm I need to protect the interior. Hey,
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nobody cares about these picks when they hit. If this
guy ends up becoming a perennial pro bowler at the
guard position, right, nobody's going to care that you picked
him at nine in three years.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
That's just the truth. Nobody's gonna care.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I don't know people really cared about it. He's a
multi time pro bowler who made it in the league
eight to ten years.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, but when you look back at that draft at
twenty fifteen, when you look back at that draft, because
I was always around him, I'm just saying he was
one of the best players. Of the eight players drafted
after him, Pete was the only one that stayed in
the league eight to ten years. So again, I think
you have to trust the process if you're the Saints,
regardless of what outside people say, as long as you're
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building it the right way and you're in agreeance in
how you build it. If you say you're gonna build
it from the from the inside out, will stayed consistent
with that message. And I think that's what we saw here.
They stayed consistent with their message, which aren't you also
means that the whole the entire aura about the Saints
needing to draft.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
The quarterback n yep.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Time, it was incorrect the entire time. And to boot
he did say, and I think people thought it was
just him saying nothing. Nick actually tricked Micky into revealing
when he asked, how do you guys respond to like,
if a player suddenly gets hurt, does it change your
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draft board? And this is after everybody's trying to get
Micky to admit that by car getting injured, something you know,
got changed, And so Nick asked him the question in
that way, and he goes, you know, I can't I
can't recall a time.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
That it's affected what we were going to do.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
So in that meaning, Carr had no that injury, had
no decision making and what they were going to do.
They were never press to take a quarterback. They were
never going to take a quarterback. Just because people said
they needed to take one. It didn't alter their plan.
I think they're staying on task with what they were
going to do. For now you can call it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I still think quarterback is on the table because I
think they want or have eyes on a court quarterback.
They just didn't see the value at nine right, they
like Fuaga at the left. Now, I'll tell you because
I know you said what you said about your source,
and I'm not saying you're wrong. I don't believe in
saying other people's source is wrong because I believe people.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Talk to who they talk to, right.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
But I'll tell you that from what I have on
the inside, there are a lot of people in the facility.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Don't believe in Ratler at all.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
There are also people in the facility who very much
believe that Rattler can become something.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And there's a split there.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Just like there's a split about Derek Carr. Where the
higher up in the franchise you go, the more trusted
Derek Carr there is, the lower in the franchise you
go interpret that how you will, the less trust there is.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So, I think Spencer Ratler is going to be given
an OP. But at the same time, I won't be shocked.
It's like some of the guys that you and I
talked about in the last episode. You know, certain quarterback
maybe gets drafted in around four or five, brought in
as competition or we'll see how things go, because as
we heard rumors multiple quarterbacks potentially dropping out of the
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first where I didn't really cease the dure as a
top ten guy or Jackson dark and as possible, they
are around in the early second. And if you remember,
there's already a article from yesterday about Mickey Loomis talking
about trading up in the second.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
How are you gonna trade up when you're already at
pick forty.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
That means you've only got a few spots right after
that thirty second pick. That means you've got to be
eyeing something very specific specific.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
So, believe it or not, I don't think it's I
believe it or not. I don't think it's quarterback. I
really don't think it's I think.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I think quarterbacks in the bubble, But I don't think
it's a must.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I one thing I think it's cornerback.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Corner is here's what I think he'llt throw your name.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Did you watch recently the reports coming out about Will Johnson.
Because he's currently plummeting down the draft board, people.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Are worried out the long term, the long term health
of his knee.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
They believe he's fine now, but supposedly there's an issue
that's going to prevent him from having long term success
in the knees. This is a guy that most people
had at the top ten. He's already dropped out of that.
Nobody's going after him. The only corner selected so far,
depending on howl Jacksonville uses them, is Travis Hunter. That
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could be somebody that you pick up in the second
that becomes a steal if he truly is a top
ten talent. And let's just make Devil's advocate argument. Let's
say he only gives you three to four great years.
If he hit three to four great years from a
second round pick, that's a win in any draft, right.
So I'm very curious to see what they do in
conjunction with this, because the great thing about the draft
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is it's not just the first round pick. Remember, New
Orleans is currently set to draft what nine guys, right,
so we can't judge it based on Banks. You can
see the vision of what they want from Banks, and
let's just be honest, the vision disagrees with what do
a lot of Saints fans want. A lot of Saints
fans believe you go get that quarterback and build around them. Well,
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Kellen Moore and Mickey Loomis clearly believe you build the
trenches first, then you build from there.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Which is how I've always been.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So I'll be biased and say I agree, but I've
always been that way. Y'all know, if you've watched my
film studies, I'm a trench first guy. I believe that's
where the game is won. And you look where Kellen
Moore's coming from. That shouldn't be a surprise. Literally, Philly
is the exact same way. Philly believes the same thing.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Correct, So I think I think it applies here for them,
especially with Kellen coming from Philly and potentially getting some
of the insights there and how they run that organization,
why they value certain things. I think there's gonna be
a split in that wardroom. I think maybe Kellen made
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Maybe Kellen is the type that he likes to have
extra picks.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Loomis, we know, prefers to trade up.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
But while they may clash in certain areas, you can
clearly see they agree in building from the inside out.
So again I think, Listen, I think if you are
building a team that has a support whoever, it's going
to be because as of right now, that team has
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a support no better than a fifth a mid level
quarterback of Car if they patch things up with Cars
at the very least. And we've seen that Car isn't
a quarterback that's going to elevate a team, So that
means that team has to carry him.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
To a degree. So regardless of who is at that position.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
When we play a game week one, you gotta build
it around them first.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Protection is key for any quarterback.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I love the fact that even if they are leaning
on Rattler like I think they are, like I suspect
they are making sure that he's protected and doesn't have
to stand in the pocket and develop bad habits because
he's getting hit a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I think if you.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Don't want to ruin a quarterback, you make sure he's protected.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So let me throw out some more positives on this guy.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Shout out to scout my good friend Brandon Thorn, another
guy I worked with at this guy Academy.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Here's what he says about him.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
One big thing that I actually want to shout out
real quick is we've talked about this draft HAPs like
the oldest quarterback we've ever seen drafted, right show is
about to turn like forty seven one thing all about Banks,
like we talk about, oh man, maybe he's not the
most athletic. He can work on his technique. He's twenty
one years old. He just turned twenty one a month ago.
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This is a young man. This is not and I'm
not saying this is shade like MT. A lot of
these guys come in the draft. They're twenty two to
twenty three years old already.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Right, so this is a young man who just turn
twenty one.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And again to your point talking about a guy who,
if he could perform, that can be there for eight
to ten years. Well that's what you're looking at with
a guy like Banks, again, assuming and stay healthy. Some
of the negatives that he has that you'll see people
like Duke Mannyweather Brandon Thorne talk about is his footwork
and how it can cross over a backside cutoff sometimes
and that leads to quick penetration. These are all things
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technique wise that can be fixed. And you also, again
this is pure conjecture. I'm just being conjectury here. Being
honest though, I'm being conjectury. Yeah, but I also with
the man turning twenty one, I don't know if he's
reached his physical peak yet either.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So in terms of I like making up my words,
you know that.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
But sincerely, though, if we're talking about a guy, maybe
isn't the most athletic. Look not everybody is Mike Tyson
at fifteen. And if you've seen Mike Tyson at fifteen
and me at fifteen, something happened there genetically. That just
wasn't fair. Not all people are equal just because they're
the ser age.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
He's only twenty one.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I think he has a lot of good future ahead
of him. It all comes down to development and where
they put him. You've got Fuaga, who played really well
at left tackle. No, this is a guy who spent
three years playing left tackle.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
What do you do with him?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
You can either slide him inside to left guard, which
is obviously a huge question mark. You have penning for
at least one more year, and then you may be
prepping for right tackle. Now I've said before I hate
moving guys hate it, but sometimes it works, sometimes it's needed.
And the biggest thing for me is you're looking at
a guy who could potentially help you for a long time.
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And I'll be very clear by the way, I didn't
mention as a potential negative of taking a you know,
maybe you took a guard at nine, Well, Tyler Booker
just went to Dallas at twelve three picks later, and
that's a full fledged guard.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Like, that's not a.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Maybe yeah, not even a oh, maybe we'll make this
guy a guard, No, a legitimate guard just win at
twelve three picks later. So again that's just the say
of the draft, and each draft is unique.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
So I like the pick.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Am I gonna lie to y'all and say that that
was like, I'm I'm in love pick No?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
But do I like it?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Do?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I understand it absolutely? And I think it could benefit
the Saints long term. But it's not going to give
a lot of Saints fans what they wanted, which is
that immediate feeling of we're taking the next step. This
is a very much a process pick A trust the process.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Pick very well said is it is a we're going
to do this the right way pick. We're not going
to try to push this, We're not gonna set any
high expectations. We're gonna build this thing the right way,
and we'll get to where we get to when we
get there.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Just enjoy the ride, enjoy the right and listen. I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I'm absolutely sure, And I figured Kenned Grant was gonna
go earlier than people think. Those tackles like that don't
get out of the top fifteen very often. I know,
I thought he'd probably go in the in the late
thirties like tav and Dre Sweat did last year, in
the second round. He's a much better specimen at defensive
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tackle and mover than Tavi Andre Sweat was, and those
guys don't get out.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
That far out.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
So I would have loved for the Saints staff moved
back and drafted the Kenni Grant. I would have liked
to see him because I'm just big on winning the trenches.
We couldn't stop the run last year, and what I
was going to say.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
There's still some really good games there too.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
So yeah, Ava Kamara's gonna appreciate having Kevin Banks. Any
running back that's behind there, if you're if you're you know,
yards before contact, I want to get hitting the backfield.
We leave big even what three fifteen three twenty, I
think he probably play plays at three fifteen three twenty.
That's a why body, more wide bodies the better.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
It's not who I wanted, and I'm fine with that.
As you said, trust the process.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yep, I do.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
And like I said, even with Fuaga, who I felt
had a really good year, I think he's probably set
at left tackle. I'm good for whatever ends up being
the best for this team.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Because here's my thing.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
When I looked at Fuaga last year, he's somebody I
compare to maybe Penny Suel pen Sell Right's first year,
his first ten I think, or either ten to twelve games,
he played left tackle. His pffth grade was very similar
to Fuaga was playing left tackle his second year or
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from that point on, and then going into his second
year he.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Got moved back to right tackle. Yeah, and he played
went up.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But you know, you lost me. You lost me with
the whole PFF grade.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
But it's a sticking point.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
I mean it's not the end all be all, but
I think, yeah, listen, I think they do research just
as much as the Naked Eye does it on the
NFL scouts. No on we NFL scouts know, but they
do put in work. And people that put in work,
I take that back. You are an NFL Scott.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I want to say. I'm at a weird, quasy level.
I'm very proud. Look y'all call me ego. That's fine,
you wouldn't be the first. But I'm very proud that
I've had my scouting reports in front of people on
the current Saints coaching staff, not just the Sean Payton one,
the current one. That means that happened in the last
two years, and with the Tennessee Titans, so like not
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many people can say the scouting reports have been in
front of directors for two teams. I'm not a scout
because I'm not paid by a team, but that's a
pretty big deal to me. I'm very proud of that fact,
even if it doesn't technically baby a scout.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Very proud of that.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
You should be proud.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I respect anybody that I think puts in a significant
amount of I agree, and I do think the people
at PFL put in a significant amount of work. They
be all but it is kind of a starting point.
But the the angle is that we saw a guy
that played right tackle in college get asked to play
left tackle.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
In the pros.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Was serviceable, can hold his own there, but once he
got moved back to his position at right tackle, he
became more of the all pro that you saw when
you were drafting him. I wonder if Fuaga may potentially
offer the same upside if you can get him back
at right tackle. So do you try Banks at left tackle?
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Because you had to, You had you gave Fuaga the
opportunity to sink or swim right. So do you try
Banks at left tackle on maybe second team when you
start camp, see how he holds up against second team rush.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Maybe you start to move him around. I think there's options.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I think there's nothing wrong with experimenting, especially early on
moving Fuaga and Banks finding with fits.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Oh, there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
My only concern is you should not be doing that
process in September.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I don't get the impression that more is gonna do
that same person who said they'd rather have the second
string quarterback or the backup quarterback situation set up before
they even get into week one, unlike other coaches we
know that would prefer to have that battle going on
all the way into like week seven, to where you're
picking one quarterback to be the backup one week, but
the starters another quarterback to following with just sambo not saying,
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but really am.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Saying, that's all I need.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I absolutely want to see that in OTA's training camp
mini camp. But when we start getting the preseason, I
need it set. You figured it out, and we'll wrong
with what we got. That's just what I take. Now,
here's what we're gonna do, guys, because we don't want
to stay too long. We're gonna grab y'all's thoughts.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
From the chat.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
We're gonna grab a few of them, we're gonna discuss them,
and then we're to wrap it up. Now if some
reason they trade in and do another first round pick,
well then there'll just be two episodes.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Dang it. This was the instant reaction about Kelvin Banks.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
And I'll give you I'll say this, I'm out of
a scale of one to ten, I'm an eight. Happy,
I'm an eight and that's solid, that's good.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I'm an aider.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Okay, works for me.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Do you give sevens? Do you do sevens? Do you
It's like a scale that goes from six and it
skips to eight.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
No, No, no, because you know me, I definitely give
a negative one. Maybe Davenport as.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
A three or four. Right, that's you know, depends on
what we're great. I'll definitely give you an honest bity.
It ain't always going to be cheeky and beachy. But
like I said, Kelvin Banks might be the guy that
people hate. But at the same time, if you've been
an honest Saints being on a Saints fan and watch
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the guard play for the past two years, you should
remove all Andres pete slander that you ever dished out,
all of it Like Andres Pete's biggest failing, truthfully, Elias
was he was not good enough to beat Aaron Donald
like the best DT we've ever seen in our life.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
He Wiggins fail.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
You was not panning out at right tackle, which was
the original place we wanted him to play.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
But even then, you got a multi time Pro bowler
left guard who played in the league for a decade,
which is exactly what we're hoping to find here.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Listen, I think there's a caveat with that. Listen, I
think I think. I think Nick Underhill did an article
on it that NFL offensive line play is down across
the league. Most teams have one good offensive lineman, maybe two,
and then a bunch of average to below average players
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filling out the rest of the offensive line. Not many
teams have like three good offensive linemen. Right, So when
you look at it from that perspective, I think taking
offensive linemen and taking ones that you feel can be
good early makes the most sense because you can at
least get some bang for your bucket because they're not
all developing properly. Not to mention, when I look at
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the system, when I look at the way that they're
building this team. We talked about it with the Kyle
McCord thing. They see a team that maybe wants to
be more vertical this year.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I see a team that maybe wants to be a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
More air corey yellish than West Coasters and by getting
you know, deep and intermediate a little bit more so
when I look at it from that way, when you
look at where Drew was in his hatey, they had
to have that protection when they were when they were
calling those four verts. No they we're calling those all goals.
You got to be able to have that pocket protection
for those players to develop.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
So interesting ballent there.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
It's an interesting little note before we get to people's comments.
Our Lads, which is a site that is actually another
one that's run by a former NFL scout. They have
they update the roster. You can get the roster for
every NFL team. They've already put in Kelvin Banks at
right tackle on the Saints official roster.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Some very curious to see how this ends up. Looking
out now.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Mia McDuff says that there are seven in terms of excitement,
they totally understand would uh that could come up depending
on the next three years. And Dennis says was our
O line more in need than our D line? Which
is another good question, and I would actually answer this
one now'll let you jump in. I would say specifically
D line, our O line was more of a need,
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even though yes we need more D line. I think
that Brian Berza, Cameron Jordan to an extent are going
to fit a now three to four front and be fine.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But what you could argue is really needed are the.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Outside linebackers for that three four whether they play it
over an Oki or whatever. The linebackers are now the
biggest need over maybe O line.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
But again, you definitely needed help at Olne.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Like I'm not trying to be that guy or anything,
but ladies and gentlemen, we're far removed from and it's
not even that we've had bad O line on talent.
In my opinion, You've not had talent that stays on
the field. Too many injuries and sometimes you just need
to find a guy to give you some stats on this, right,
everybody likes numbers.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Pressure rate.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Derek Carr was pressured on twenty four percent of his dropbacks,
Spencer Ratler twenty percent, Jake Hayn thirty four percent, Taysom
Hill when he did it twenty five percent.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Anything above twenty is not something you want to have.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Every single quarterback who started or took primary STAPs for
New Orleans was over twenty percent, with Jake Hayn having
thirty four percent of a pressure rate that's not winning football.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
So y'all don't like the big sexes, that's all that's
your problem. Y'all don't like the big sexes with the
apple bottoms of the bubble butts, like Mayok used to say,
But those are the guys that you win with.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Do I want to point out that basically nothing but
big sexy's has gone in the draft so far. You've
had one quarterback, one corner, one running back, one wide receiver,
two tight ends, and you can argue tight ends are
not pretty either.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
So this is a meat and potatoes draft. In fact,
you can maybe call this a meat, potatoes and Macaroni's draft.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
This is a two starch draft.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, I mean so, I'm not surprised that the one
of the sexiest picks went where it went, with Ted
going to the Panthers. I would have took Ted took,
especially knowing that everything else after that number of big sexes.
I will be interested to see, knowing that Loomis did
say that this draft is very deep at defensive lineman, uh,
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not as deep at corner So I am interested to
see if they try to get a cornerback because as
we pointed out, uh that that right cornerback spot is
a little or the left cornerback spot is a little empty.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Which again I wouldn't mind picking up with Will Johnson
because he's probably gonna fall in the draft because of
these rumors. I don't even know if those medical rumors
are true, by the way, but Will Johnson is falling,
they still listen.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
If they If they weren't true, he wouldn't be falling.
And the only time players fall is when they do
something crazy and by all accounts, his background checks out fine,
or when it's medicals, When, when, when, any time of
player slides like that. It's one of those things. It's
gotta be medicals in this case, gotta be all.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Right, couple more we're gonna grab appreciate y'all being here.
By the way, it's it's great to be back in
so the precess. Having three first round talents on the
old line combine with an all pro center, I'm feeling
pretty good, loving the positivity. By the way, Jalen Walker
just went to the Atlanta Falcons. Oh yeah, that that's
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gonna make Saint Spins on social media feel worse about
this pick.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
But there you go. Hurts my heart a little.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Bit, it does. He's gonna be a minace.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
He's a culture changing to me that that guy is
somebody that leads a room. Yeah, he's a I feel
like he's going to be a menace. But you know what,
that don't matter. He's six, one, two, three, your minutes
all you want. If if you are a minus for
six players a game, I take that. If we stumping
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the Muther, hold in your ass for the other sixty
two players in the.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Game, I will take that as well.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I still take the offensive lineman, even though I would
have loved to get Jay Long Walker for those are
sexy picks, those exciting picks. As a pass rusher, he
plays all over the field. You'd like to see it
great highlights.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Travis says, Philly and San fran have rode the trenches
with young, cheap quarterbacks to the Super Bowl. I agree
with you, and I would also say Ted says, what's
your view on dark We'll grab that one as a
wrap up Again, maybe they'll trade up here in the
first but if nothing, me and Lost are gonna try
to give your reaction picks on all these guys, and
then me and Blair are gonna try to do some
level of film study for him as we get ready.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I like Jackson Dart, I do think that Spencer Ratler
has potential.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I think there's a long way to go.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
But at the same time, that's the whole point of
an offseason with a new coach who has been known
to work well with quarterbacks. And if anybody can help
Kellen Moore, I'm sorry, if anybody can help Rattler is
Kellen Moore. But at the same time, I believe exactly
what Ron Wolfe taught. Every year, you address quarterback, every
single year, address it again. I'm okay with Jackson Dart.
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I wasn't okay with him in the first I'm okay
ish with him at forty.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
If that's what they choose to do.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Hell, even Sanders if he falls to forty, We'll see
what happens.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I'm in that second third round, rang Jon.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
I think for me it's big because they had Rattler
rated as a second or third round pick last year
despite going in the fifth. If I'm looking at it
from a perspective, I want to get talent in here,
but I also want to leave my options open for
next year if I get a chance to pick a quarterback,
going to invest second, third round or later in the position,
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because that won't stop me from going high first next
year if I need to.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
So, I you know it's I'm I don't.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Think they necessarily need to go quarterback, but they also
need to go quarterback.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, my dream world, Will Campbell would have fell, but
oh well, things happen. Look y'all, we're gonna wrap it
up and hey again, if something crazy happens, we'll be
back to you. We're trying to keep the pods a
little bit shorter. Love y'all, God bless who that appreciate you.
Remember the Falcons blue with twenty eighty three leading the
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Super Bowl, So even though they might have taken Walker,
it ain't going to turn into nothing. Appreciate y'all, Love
you who that God bless See you on the next one.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
The complished
Welcome Saints fans to the hood. That professional podcast live reaction.
I mean, we didn't even wait a second. Pick nine
is in Kelvin Banks, junior offensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Here we are.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
It is hands down one of the most New Orleans
Saints picks you can do.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm not even trying to say that in a negative way,
just that's what they do.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
In fact, you and I very briefly taught before because
Carolina went and took Ted McMillan.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
And I'm wondered.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I wondered were the Saints looking at that and then,
very similarly to what happened back in the Ryan Ramcheck
draft where they wanted somebody else gets picked, they default
to a position of need, but more importantly, an area
that they always value very highly, the trenches, and they
choose Kelvin Banks junior. Now'd be very clear, I'm gonna
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give you my thoughts on him.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
But wasn't a quarterback. And I told y'all I wasn't
gonna play go after quarterback. It was multiple of y'all
who were convinced.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And the last time I need to say this, stop
listening to the media. The offseason. Media wants clicks. You
know what, gets clicks, Shedur Sanders, Jackson Dart, they might
trade up for cam Ward. No, have you met Mickey Loomis.
For those of you who haven't, let me go ahead and.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Tell you not happening. Okay, stop that.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
There were people who were showing me their bets of
like it was like plus nine hundred and stuff, and
I went, good for you, get ready to lose money.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Not happening. Welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Sorry if that sounds harsh, guys, I'm just some people,
especially on social media. I saw it on Reddit, I
saw it on Twitter. They were just bought in. Quarterback
was going to happen. I'm like, I don't know what
y'all doing, but sure whatever. Anyway, my name's ratn this
is Elias. Let's talk about it. What do you think, Elias?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
You know I expected it.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
You know, my sources were telling me that the Saints
really do like Spencer Ratler and that that may have
been the reason that Derek Carr got a little uptight
because the Saints wanted to move on to Ratler. They've
got a nice model to follow of the Titans, what
they did with Will Levis give them a chance. You know, see,
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if you can find your quarterback. If you don't, you're
probably picking low enough in a year to get your quarterback. Anyway,
it's a win win situation. I think you do want
to get him some competition at some point, but I
think regardless of the approach, you want to build the
team up so that it can support a young player,
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be that a young quarterback this year or a young
quarterback next year. Either way, you know Derek Carr isn't
the future, so it's better to kind of build up
those stretches first. I like to pick simple reason. I
read that there's a statistic that hitting on offensive linemen
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after day one, your chances drop pretty solidly.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Similarly to quarterback actually after round now New Orleans being
the exception of that rule. But similarly, you look at starters,
they're gone.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I would have I would preferred had we been able
to trade back and pick up like an extra pick
and still get a tackle.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
But I'm not upset with the pick because because of.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
The value it is you're getting your You have to
win a line of scrimmage in football. I think last
year we saw far too often the team lost the
battle of the line of scrimmage on both the offensive
and defensive side. I think you also have to look
at potentially, hey, where can we fit Kelvin Banks.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I think he can play guard. I think he can
play tackle.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
I think year one you focus on maybe getting the
best players on the field so you fit in, get in.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Where he fits in.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
If that means Penning stays at right tackle and he
plays left guard, fine, But I think in the year
there's potential to maybe move him.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The right tackle.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Uh, maybe you want to testimy that left tackle first,
and maybe you want to see Fooaga move back over
to right tackle, and then you want to from Banks
can play left tackle.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You've got some options.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
That's the beauty and picking offensive line you can kind
of fit them. But I asked you the question prior
to us going on, because when Mickey Lewis went on earlier,
I think and yesterday, he said that at nine they
are looking for a player they can play eight to
ten years. Doesn't have to necessarily be a home run,
doesn't have to be a home run, doesn't have to
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be a pro bowler, but somebody they can say that
we can plug and play in this position for the
next eight to ten years.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
And your answer was, what when it comes to Kelvin Banks.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yes, I do believe he could do that one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Thank you got it.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
I think that's a I think that's a successful pick
at nine. If that's your philosophy, I'm not upset with it.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Let me give everybody a full rundown and don't worry
because this is.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
A live edition of the HUDA Professional Podcast, Season nine,
Episode three.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
We're gonna actually grab some of y'all's thoughts as we
get towards the end. But I'm wanna give y all
full sets of information before we do that, including opinions
from people that I trust, including one of the people
who trained me in offensive line evaluation, as well as others.
So Matt Miller, who is a very well known name
in the draft world, gave a comp of Rickshawn Slater.
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Many Saints fans are probably familiar with that name, would
probably be happy with that as a pick. Now, here's
what the analysis from ESPN dot com says. Banks started
forty two games at left tackle in three seasons for Texas.
Fires off the ball, walls off defenders, and generates push
in the run game. He's effective in combo blocking like
duo blocking, and is smooth working up to the second level.
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Reaches backside defenders, tackles and linebackers. Has large hands, tough
to beat once he latches onto a blocker, and he
has the body control and changing direction to mirror and
recover his footwork when sound now you said something big
for me that I want to address real quick, and
you said where would we play him? And one of
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the premier names in offensive line evaluations. I'm not saying
he's the end all be all, but he does help
choose the reward for the best set of offensive linemen
in college football. He also trains some of the best
offensive linemen ever, including Ron Armstead. Armstead credited him for
extending his career. But here's what Duke Manniweather had to
say back in April, a few days ago before the
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draft about Kelvin Banks.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I think he'd be an excellent offensive guard.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Out of the top ots in this draft, Banks is
the lesser athlete you see it on tape and reflects
and testing. If you compare to other top ots, he
tests more like a guard, gets out of position a lot.
His feet aren't always efficient and it hurts his ability
to recover in pass pro. In the run game, he
doesn't close space well, gets thrown off blocks. And for
all of you who care about athletic scores, this, believe
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it or not, is actually been with the worst scoring
as far as Saints go rass for an offensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
He did not have a single movement agility ability.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
None of the drills where he got a green score,
all of it was yellow meaning closer to average, only
slightly above average when we're used to seeing them take
very elite athletic type of linemen that maybe aren't as
fundamentally sound. Because to be clear, I do think Kelvin
Banks has a lot of good fundamentals, but he is
not a very hyper as league guy, which was something
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that Sean Payton was known for. He had a requirement
in that when he was drafting any player, especially in
the first and second round. So that brings up where
does he play. I think he eventually replaces Trevor Penning
at right tackle, and I think that would be a
good fit for him. But if he ends up being
a guard, you picked a guard at nine and that's.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Going to be a tough sell to the Saints community.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
You picked the player that you can have eight to
ten years at nine.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
That's the best way to lose.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
But at the same time, look who else is going.
We know the look that we're allowed to have our
little it's an instant reaction, so we can be a
little bit emotional and stuff. But look who was on
the board. You and I were talking before the show.
Who are you saying you wanted? He's actually still.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
There, Jaylen walcome Baker his another reason six five three
fifteen thirty three and a half inch on him sending
it in third three eighths inch chance.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Big people beat up little people.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah, that's and and I think that's the philosophy, whether
Peyton is there or not.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I think that's an Ireland philosophy. That's a they believe
in that. And I don't think that win anywhere just
because of Peyton.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Give me the offensive, lineman, because I still want to
establish the trenches.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I want to win the trenches.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And if I am going with Rattler, if I'm going
with a young quarterback one, I need to be able
to protect him up there up the gut. Why well,
because Ratler's about the same height with Drew. If you
look at me, looks very small out there. So if
I'm building this team and I'm probably gonna have a
young rattler likely starting, I'm I need to protect the interior. Hey,
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nobody cares about these picks when they hit. If this
guy ends up becoming a perennial pro bowler at the
guard position, right, nobody's going to care that you picked
him at nine in three years.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
That's just the truth. Nobody's gonna care.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
I don't know people really cared about it. He's a
multi time pro bowler who made it in the league
eight to ten years.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Yeah, but when you look back at that draft at
twenty fifteen, when you look back at that draft, because
I was always around him, I'm just saying he was
one of the best players. Of the eight players drafted
after him, Pete was the only one that stayed in
the league eight to ten years. So again, I think
you have to trust the process if you're the Saints,
regardless of what outside people say, as long as you're
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building it the right way and you're in agreeance in
how you build it. If you say you're gonna build
it from the from the inside out, will stayed consistent
with that message. And I think that's what we saw here.
They stayed consistent with their message, which aren't you also
means that the whole the entire aura about the Saints
needing to draft.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
The quarterback n yep.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Time, it was incorrect the entire time. And to boot
he did say, and I think people thought it was
just him saying nothing. Nick actually tricked Micky into revealing
when he asked, how do you guys respond to like,
if a player suddenly gets hurt, does it change your
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draft board? And this is after everybody's trying to get
Micky to admit that by car getting injured, something you know,
got changed, And so Nick asked him the question in
that way, and he goes, you know, I can't I
can't recall a time.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
That it's affected what we were going to do.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
So in that meaning, Carr had no that injury, had
no decision making and what they were going to do.
They were never press to take a quarterback. They were
never going to take a quarterback. Just because people said
they needed to take one. It didn't alter their plan.
I think they're staying on task with what they were
going to do. For now you can call it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I still think quarterback is on the table because I
think they want or have eyes on a court quarterback.
They just didn't see the value at nine right, they
like Fuaga at the left. Now, I'll tell you because
I know you said what you said about your source,
and I'm not saying you're wrong. I don't believe in
saying other people's source is wrong because I believe people.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Talk to who they talk to, right.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
But I'll tell you that from what I have on
the inside, there are a lot of people in the facility.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Don't believe in Ratler at all.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
There are also people in the facility who very much
believe that Rattler can become something.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And there's a split there.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Just like there's a split about Derek Carr. Where the
higher up in the franchise you go, the more trusted
Derek Carr there is, the lower in the franchise you
go interpret that how you will, the less trust there is.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
So, I think Spencer Ratler is going to be given
an OP. But at the same time, I won't be shocked.
It's like some of the guys that you and I
talked about in the last episode. You know, certain quarterback
maybe gets drafted in around four or five, brought in
as competition or we'll see how things go, because as
we heard rumors multiple quarterbacks potentially dropping out of the
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first where I didn't really cease the dure as a
top ten guy or Jackson dark and as possible, they
are around in the early second. And if you remember,
there's already a article from yesterday about Mickey Loomis talking
about trading up in the second.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
How are you gonna trade up when you're already at
pick forty.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
That means you've only got a few spots right after
that thirty second pick. That means you've got to be
eyeing something very specific specific.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
So, believe it or not, I don't think it's I
believe it or not. I don't think it's quarterback. I
really don't think it's I think.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I think quarterbacks in the bubble, But I don't think
it's a must.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
I one thing I think it's cornerback.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Corner is here's what I think he'llt throw your name.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Did you watch recently the reports coming out about Will Johnson.
Because he's currently plummeting down the draft board, people.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Are worried out the long term, the long term health
of his knee.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
They believe he's fine now, but supposedly there's an issue
that's going to prevent him from having long term success
in the knees. This is a guy that most people
had at the top ten. He's already dropped out of that.
Nobody's going after him. The only corner selected so far,
depending on howl Jacksonville uses them, is Travis Hunter. That
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could be somebody that you pick up in the second
that becomes a steal if he truly is a top
ten talent. And let's just make Devil's advocate argument. Let's
say he only gives you three to four great years.
If he hit three to four great years from a
second round pick, that's a win in any draft, right.
So I'm very curious to see what they do in
conjunction with this, because the great thing about the draft
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is it's not just the first round pick. Remember, New
Orleans is currently set to draft what nine guys, right,
so we can't judge it based on Banks. You can
see the vision of what they want from Banks, and
let's just be honest, the vision disagrees with what do
a lot of Saints fans want. A lot of Saints
fans believe you go get that quarterback and build around them. Well,
(15:09):
Kellen Moore and Mickey Loomis clearly believe you build the
trenches first, then you build from there.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Which is how I've always been.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
So I'll be biased and say I agree, but I've
always been that way. Y'all know, if you've watched my
film studies, I'm a trench first guy. I believe that's
where the game is won. And you look where Kellen
Moore's coming from. That shouldn't be a surprise. Literally, Philly
is the exact same way. Philly believes the same thing.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Correct, So I think I think it applies here for them,
especially with Kellen coming from Philly and potentially getting some
of the insights there and how they run that organization,
why they value certain things. I think there's gonna be
a split in that wardroom. I think maybe Kellen made
(15:57):
Maybe Kellen is the type that he likes to have
extra picks.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Loomis, we know, prefers to trade up.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
But while they may clash in certain areas, you can
clearly see they agree in building from the inside out.
So again I think, Listen, I think if you are
building a team that has a support whoever, it's going
to be because as of right now, that team has
(16:25):
a support no better than a fifth a mid level
quarterback of Car if they patch things up with Cars
at the very least. And we've seen that Car isn't
a quarterback that's going to elevate a team, So that
means that team has to carry him.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
To a degree. So regardless of who is at that position.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
When we play a game week one, you gotta build
it around them first.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Protection is key for any quarterback.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I love the fact that even if they are leaning
on Rattler like I think they are, like I suspect
they are making sure that he's protected and doesn't have
to stand in the pocket and develop bad habits because
he's getting hit a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I think if you.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Don't want to ruin a quarterback, you make sure he's protected.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
So let me throw out some more positives on this guy.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Shout out to scout my good friend Brandon Thorn, another
guy I worked with at this guy Academy.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Here's what he says about him.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
One big thing that I actually want to shout out
real quick is we've talked about this draft HAPs like
the oldest quarterback we've ever seen drafted, right show is
about to turn like forty seven one thing all about Banks,
like we talk about, oh man, maybe he's not the
most athletic. He can work on his technique. He's twenty
one years old. He just turned twenty one a month ago.
(17:49):
This is a young man. This is not and I'm
not saying this is shade like MT. A lot of
these guys come in the draft. They're twenty two to
twenty three years old already.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Right, so this is a young man who just turn
twenty one.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And again to your point talking about a guy who,
if he could perform, that can be there for eight
to ten years. Well that's what you're looking at with
a guy like Banks, again, assuming and stay healthy. Some
of the negatives that he has that you'll see people
like Duke Mannyweather Brandon Thorne talk about is his footwork
and how it can cross over a backside cutoff sometimes
and that leads to quick penetration. These are all things
(18:22):
technique wise that can be fixed. And you also, again
this is pure conjecture. I'm just being conjectury here. Being
honest though, I'm being conjectury. Yeah, but I also with
the man turning twenty one, I don't know if he's
reached his physical peak yet either.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So in terms of I like making up my words,
you know that.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
But sincerely, though, if we're talking about a guy, maybe
isn't the most athletic. Look not everybody is Mike Tyson
at fifteen. And if you've seen Mike Tyson at fifteen
and me at fifteen, something happened there genetically. That just
wasn't fair. Not all people are equal just because they're
the ser age.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
He's only twenty one.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I think he has a lot of good future ahead
of him. It all comes down to development and where
they put him. You've got Fuaga, who played really well
at left tackle. No, this is a guy who spent
three years playing left tackle.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
What do you do with him?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
You can either slide him inside to left guard, which
is obviously a huge question mark. You have penning for
at least one more year, and then you may be
prepping for right tackle. Now I've said before I hate
moving guys hate it, but sometimes it works, sometimes it's needed.
And the biggest thing for me is you're looking at
a guy who could potentially help you for a long time.
(19:38):
And I'll be very clear by the way, I didn't
mention as a potential negative of taking a you know,
maybe you took a guard at nine, Well, Tyler Booker
just went to Dallas at twelve three picks later, and
that's a full fledged guard.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Like, that's not a.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Maybe yeah, not even a oh, maybe we'll make this
guy a guard, No, a legitimate guard just win at
twelve three picks later. So again that's just the say
of the draft, and each draft is unique.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
So I like the pick.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Am I gonna lie to y'all and say that that
was like, I'm I'm in love pick No?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
But do I like it?
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Do?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I understand it absolutely? And I think it could benefit
the Saints long term. But it's not going to give
a lot of Saints fans what they wanted, which is
that immediate feeling of we're taking the next step. This
is a very much a process pick A trust the process.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Pick very well said is it is a we're going
to do this the right way pick. We're not going
to try to push this, We're not gonna set any
high expectations. We're gonna build this thing the right way,
and we'll get to where we get to when we
get there.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Just enjoy the ride, enjoy the right and listen. I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
I'm absolutely sure, And I figured Kenned Grant was gonna
go earlier than people think. Those tackles like that don't
get out of the top fifteen very often. I know,
I thought he'd probably go in the in the late
thirties like tav and Dre Sweat did last year, in
the second round. He's a much better specimen at defensive
(21:14):
tackle and mover than Tavi Andre Sweat was, and those
guys don't get out.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
That far out.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
So I would have loved for the Saints staff moved
back and drafted the Kenni Grant. I would have liked
to see him because I'm just big on winning the trenches.
We couldn't stop the run last year, and what I
was going to say.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
There's still some really good games there too.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
So yeah, Ava Kamara's gonna appreciate having Kevin Banks. Any
running back that's behind there, if you're if you're you know,
yards before contact, I want to get hitting the backfield.
We leave big even what three fifteen three twenty, I
think he probably play plays at three fifteen three twenty.
That's a why body, more wide bodies the better.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
It's not who I wanted, and I'm fine with that.
As you said, trust the process.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yep, I do.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
And like I said, even with Fuaga, who I felt
had a really good year, I think he's probably set
at left tackle. I'm good for whatever ends up being
the best for this team.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Because here's my thing.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
When I looked at Fuaga last year, he's somebody I
compare to maybe Penny Suel pen Sell Right's first year,
his first ten I think, or either ten to twelve games,
he played left tackle. His pffth grade was very similar
to Fuaga was playing left tackle his second year or
(22:39):
from that point on, and then going into his second
year he.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Got moved back to right tackle. Yeah, and he played
went up.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
But you know, you lost me. You lost me with
the whole PFF grade.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
But it's a sticking point.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
I mean it's not the end all be all, but
I think, yeah, listen, I think they do research just
as much as the Naked Eye does it on the
NFL scouts. No on we NFL scouts know, but they
do put in work. And people that put in work,
I take that back. You are an NFL Scott.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I want to say. I'm at a weird, quasy level.
I'm very proud. Look y'all call me ego. That's fine,
you wouldn't be the first. But I'm very proud that
I've had my scouting reports in front of people on
the current Saints coaching staff, not just the Sean Payton one,
the current one. That means that happened in the last
two years, and with the Tennessee Titans, so like not
(23:35):
many people can say the scouting reports have been in
front of directors for two teams. I'm not a scout
because I'm not paid by a team, but that's a
pretty big deal to me. I'm very proud of that fact,
even if it doesn't technically baby a scout.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Very proud of that.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
You should be proud.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I respect anybody that I think puts in a significant
amount of I agree, and I do think the people
at PFL put in a significant amount of work. They
be all but it is kind of a starting point.
But the the angle is that we saw a guy
that played right tackle in college get asked to play
left tackle.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
In the pros.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Was serviceable, can hold his own there, but once he
got moved back to his position at right tackle, he
became more of the all pro that you saw when
you were drafting him. I wonder if Fuaga may potentially
offer the same upside if you can get him back
at right tackle. So do you try Banks at left tackle?
(24:32):
Because you had to, You had you gave Fuaga the
opportunity to sink or swim right. So do you try
Banks at left tackle on maybe second team when you
start camp, see how he holds up against second team rush.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Maybe you start to move him around. I think there's options.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I think there's nothing wrong with experimenting, especially early on
moving Fuaga and Banks finding with fits.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Oh, there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
My only concern is you should not be doing that
process in September.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I don't get the impression that more is gonna do
that same person who said they'd rather have the second
string quarterback or the backup quarterback situation set up before
they even get into week one, unlike other coaches we
know that would prefer to have that battle going on
all the way into like week seven, to where you're
picking one quarterback to be the backup one week, but
the starters another quarterback to following with just sambo not saying,
(25:27):
but really am.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Saying, that's all I need.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I absolutely want to see that in OTA's training camp
mini camp. But when we start getting the preseason, I
need it set. You figured it out, and we'll wrong
with what we got. That's just what I take. Now,
here's what we're gonna do, guys, because we don't want
to stay too long. We're gonna grab y'all's thoughts.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
From the chat.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
We're gonna grab a few of them, we're gonna discuss them,
and then we're to wrap it up. Now if some
reason they trade in and do another first round pick,
well then there'll just be two episodes.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Dang it. This was the instant reaction about Kelvin Banks.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
And I'll give you I'll say this, I'm out of
a scale of one to ten, I'm an eight. Happy,
I'm an eight and that's solid, that's good.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I'm an aider.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Okay, works for me.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Do you give sevens? Do you do sevens? Do you
It's like a scale that goes from six and it
skips to eight.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
No, No, no, because you know me, I definitely give
a negative one. Maybe Davenport as.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
A three or four. Right, that's you know, depends on
what we're great. I'll definitely give you an honest bity.
It ain't always going to be cheeky and beachy. But
like I said, Kelvin Banks might be the guy that
people hate. But at the same time, if you've been
an honest Saints being on a Saints fan and watch
(26:48):
the guard play for the past two years, you should
remove all Andres pete slander that you ever dished out,
all of it Like Andres Pete's biggest failing, truthfully, Elias
was he was not good enough to beat Aaron Donald
like the best DT we've ever seen in our life.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
He Wiggins fail.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
You was not panning out at right tackle, which was
the original place we wanted him to play.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
But even then, you got a multi time Pro bowler
left guard who played in the league for a decade,
which is exactly what we're hoping to find here.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Listen, I think there's a caveat with that. Listen, I
think I think. I think Nick Underhill did an article
on it that NFL offensive line play is down across
the league. Most teams have one good offensive lineman, maybe two,
and then a bunch of average to below average players
(27:42):
filling out the rest of the offensive line. Not many
teams have like three good offensive linemen. Right, So when
you look at it from that perspective, I think taking
offensive linemen and taking ones that you feel can be
good early makes the most sense because you can at
least get some bang for your bucket because they're not
all developing properly. Not to mention, when I look at
(28:04):
the system, when I look at the way that they're
building this team. We talked about it with the Kyle
McCord thing. They see a team that maybe wants to
be more vertical this year.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I see a team that maybe wants to be a
little bit.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
More air corey yellish than West Coasters and by getting
you know, deep and intermediate a little bit more so
when I look at it from that way, when you
look at where Drew was in his hatey, they had
to have that protection when they were when they were
calling those four verts. No they we're calling those all goals.
You got to be able to have that pocket protection
for those players to develop.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
So interesting ballent there.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
It's an interesting little note before we get to people's comments.
Our Lads, which is a site that is actually another
one that's run by a former NFL scout. They have
they update the roster. You can get the roster for
every NFL team. They've already put in Kelvin Banks at
right tackle on the Saints official roster.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Some very curious to see how this ends up. Looking
out now.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Mia McDuff says that there are seven in terms of excitement,
they totally understand would uh that could come up depending
on the next three years. And Dennis says was our
O line more in need than our D line? Which
is another good question, and I would actually answer this
one now'll let you jump in. I would say specifically
D line, our O line was more of a need,
(29:23):
even though yes we need more D line. I think
that Brian Berza, Cameron Jordan to an extent are going
to fit a now three to four front and be fine.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
But what you could argue is really needed are the.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Outside linebackers for that three four whether they play it
over an Oki or whatever. The linebackers are now the
biggest need over maybe O line.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
But again, you definitely needed help at Olne.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Like I'm not trying to be that guy or anything,
but ladies and gentlemen, we're far removed from and it's
not even that we've had bad O line on talent.
In my opinion, You've not had talent that stays on
the field. Too many injuries and sometimes you just need
to find a guy to give you some stats on this, right,
everybody likes numbers.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Pressure rate.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Derek Carr was pressured on twenty four percent of his dropbacks,
Spencer Ratler twenty percent, Jake Hayn thirty four percent, Taysom
Hill when he did it twenty five percent.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Anything above twenty is not something you want to have.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Every single quarterback who started or took primary STAPs for
New Orleans was over twenty percent, with Jake Hayn having
thirty four percent of a pressure rate that's not winning football.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
So y'all don't like the big sexes, that's all that's
your problem. Y'all don't like the big sexes with the
apple bottoms of the bubble butts, like Mayok used to say,
But those are the guys that you win with.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Do I want to point out that basically nothing but
big sexy's has gone in the draft so far. You've
had one quarterback, one corner, one running back, one wide receiver,
two tight ends, and you can argue tight ends are
not pretty either.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
So this is a meat and potatoes draft. In fact,
you can maybe call this a meat, potatoes and Macaroni's draft.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
This is a two starch draft.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, I mean so, I'm not surprised that the one
of the sexiest picks went where it went, with Ted
going to the Panthers. I would have took Ted took,
especially knowing that everything else after that number of big sexes.
I will be interested to see, knowing that Loomis did
say that this draft is very deep at defensive lineman, uh,
(31:41):
not as deep at corner So I am interested to
see if they try to get a cornerback because as
we pointed out, uh that that right cornerback spot is
a little or the left cornerback spot is a little empty.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Which again I wouldn't mind picking up with Will Johnson
because he's probably gonna fall in the draft because of
these rumors. I don't even know if those medical rumors
are true, by the way, but Will Johnson is falling,
they still listen.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
If they If they weren't true, he wouldn't be falling.
And the only time players fall is when they do
something crazy and by all accounts, his background checks out fine,
or when it's medicals, When, when, when, any time of
player slides like that. It's one of those things. It's
gotta be medicals in this case, gotta be all.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Right, couple more we're gonna grab appreciate y'all being here.
By the way, it's it's great to be back in
so the precess. Having three first round talents on the
old line combine with an all pro center, I'm feeling
pretty good, loving the positivity. By the way, Jalen Walker
just went to the Atlanta Falcons. Oh yeah, that that's
(32:46):
gonna make Saint Spins on social media feel worse about
this pick.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
But there you go. Hurts my heart a little.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Bit, it does. He's gonna be a minace.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
He's a culture changing to me that that guy is
somebody that leads a room. Yeah, he's a I feel
like he's going to be a menace. But you know what,
that don't matter. He's six, one, two, three, your minutes
all you want. If if you are a minus for
six players a game, I take that. If we stumping
(33:18):
the Muther, hold in your ass for the other sixty
two players in the.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Game, I will take that as well.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I still take the offensive lineman, even though I would
have loved to get Jay Long Walker for those are
sexy picks, those exciting picks. As a pass rusher, he
plays all over the field. You'd like to see it
great highlights.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Travis says, Philly and San fran have rode the trenches
with young, cheap quarterbacks to the Super Bowl. I agree
with you, and I would also say Ted says, what's
your view on dark We'll grab that one as a
wrap up Again, maybe they'll trade up here in the
first but if nothing, me and Lost are gonna try
to give your reaction picks on all these guys, and
then me and Blair are gonna try to do some
level of film study for him as we get ready.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I'll be honest.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I like Jackson Dart, I do think that Spencer Ratler
has potential.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
I think there's a long way to go.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
But at the same time, that's the whole point of
an offseason with a new coach who has been known
to work well with quarterbacks. And if anybody can help
Kellen Moore, I'm sorry, if anybody can help Rattler is
Kellen Moore. But at the same time, I believe exactly
what Ron Wolfe taught. Every year, you address quarterback, every
single year, address it again. I'm okay with Jackson Dart.
(34:25):
I wasn't okay with him in the first I'm okay
ish with him at forty.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
If that's what they choose to do.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Hell, even Sanders if he falls to forty, We'll see
what happens.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I'm in that second third round, rang Jon.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
I think for me it's big because they had Rattler
rated as a second or third round pick last year
despite going in the fifth. If I'm looking at it
from a perspective, I want to get talent in here,
but I also want to leave my options open for
next year if I get a chance to pick a quarterback,
going to invest second, third round or later in the position,
(35:05):
because that won't stop me from going high first next
year if I need to.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
So, I you know it's I'm I don't.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
Think they necessarily need to go quarterback, but they also
need to go quarterback.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, my dream world, Will Campbell would have fell, but
oh well, things happen. Look y'all, we're gonna wrap it
up and hey again, if something crazy happens, we'll be
back to you. We're trying to keep the pods a
little bit shorter. Love y'all, God bless who that appreciate you.
Remember the Falcons blue with twenty eighty three leading the
(35:41):
Super Bowl, So even though they might have taken Walker,
it ain't going to turn into nothing. Appreciate y'all, Love
you who that God bless See you on the next one.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
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