September 16, 2025 • 26 mins
Welcome back to @everyone's favorite Saints podcast! Today we're going over some of the All-22 notes from the loss against the 49ers in Week 2
* Cesar Ruiz is a problem on the OL
* Spencer Rattler's great day
* Staley's scheme puts players in odd spots
* Carl Granderson's growth
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* Cesar Ruiz is a problem on the OL
* Spencer Rattler's great day
* Staley's scheme puts players in odd spots
* Carl Granderson's growth
Also, don't forget to check out https://saintsfootballtalk.com for the latest news and Ellias' written thoughts as the season progresses!
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Who that God blessed. Welcome back to Hoo that Professional podcast,
where today we're gonna talk about some of the analytics
and film notes from the week two loss. And look,
if you're a Saints fan who's acknowledged we're in a
rebuilding mode, there's a special thing that that can do
for you. It can let you enjoy things even if
you lose. And I really enjoyed watching this tape. What
I have liked to win this game? Absolutely? Should they
have won this game? Yeah, I'm gonna bang that table too, absolutely,
(00:44):
But there's some really good stuff to see here. Some
also some negatives. I want to highlight some opinions that
we had on Sunday that might have changed slightly or
been reinforced. And you can only find those out if
you sit here with me and elliots and talk. How
you doing, My.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Friend, I'm doing pretty good. I'm enjoyed that you're enjoying
the tape.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You know, it's crazy to talk about enjoying something when
your team's zero to two, but truly, I have like
Spencer Rattler, which we're not gonna spend a lot of
time on today because I think we gave him his
flowers on Sunday, had a really good game. He only
had a handful of plays that you go, wasn't great,
And for a guy that's in his eighth game, we'll
definitely take that. To the point. If you've looked on socials,
he's even starting to get national you know, recognition, which, hey,
(01:23):
if he can pull it off and keep winning or
keep playing well, I should say, because obviously no wins yet,
but happy for that. But do want to talk about
some offense. Le's start with that and then I'll get
your insights. I'm gonna start with the hot tame. I'm
actually start with the negative. I wan't to get the negative.
By the way, Caesar Ruiz in his sixth year and
since he got drafted, one of the things that I
said and every endlest said was he had great technique,
(01:46):
lacked functional play strength, had to get stronger to consistently
play at right guard, and while he never became a
pro Bowl level talent. You can look at other analytics,
whether you look at PFR who uses SIS. You can
look at PFF runblocking grades, which I don't recommend, but
I will acknowledge my bias and still say, hey, go
look at what they do Ruiz has never been like
the worst. He just he significantly improved compared to where
(02:09):
he was, but he never became a Pro Bowl guy.
In his contract year, he played well enough to earn
a resign. Now last year didn't play great Eagles games
should be brought up stuff like that, And then this year,
I'm gonna go ahead and tell you week two, if
Trevor Pinning came back bench, Ruiz start Ratting's at right guard.
And to me, it's not even a debate at this point.
(02:30):
He is playing that level of bad. He's overextending. His
center of gravity is up there with you all in
the six hundred section. I mean, this man is just
a turnstile in the most literal sense, and I hate
it because it's easy for our recency bias to go
Alhway's always been bad, but he wasn't this bad, and
right now he is that bad.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
You've always wanted to say that, That's what you've been
holding onto about Ruiz for quite some time. You try
to like diskis in under this like I don't want
to like talk about it.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I liked him for the first six years.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Is you've been waiting to do yes?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Six years in Yes, You're right, six years, first three
or four years, we're giving them a little bit of growth.
Like hey, year three for offensive lineman is usually a
thing or twice that amount. Now, man, we're doubling right.
How many times you're gonna tell the kids that you're
not gonna get something to eat and then after they've
not eaten their spaghetti an hour later, you make them
a bowl of cereal. You can't keep giving them leeway.
You gotta pull it back. Don't ask where that analogy
(03:25):
came from, right.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
It it look? Man?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Go keep it wrestling with Ruiz Ain't got enough masks
and ass as number one part of the problem. Not
enough masks and ass number two. Every huge hit that
a Saints quarterback has taken over the last six years
has come behind Louise.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It's a little enough allegorical, but I mean there's some
truth to what you're saying, you know, I mean enough?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Oh yeah, I mean, Twitter can bend it enough that
I do believe it. I'm just I'm gonna go ahead
and throw it out there. I do believe that behind
every hard hit for a Saints quarterback there was Reuise
miss block he got overpowered.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
That's just where I met on it.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But honestly, he doesn't have enough mass and ass play right, God,
he's not squat those you want that offensive line. I
think the way that Moore wants to build that offensive line,
he wants to have some interior people movers and Ruiz
is not that. He is definitely more of a center,
a primary zone blocker. The Saints actually I'm not sure
(04:33):
about last week, but the first week versus the Cardinals,
they were actually split fifty to fifty between zone and
man blocking, which is something that Kellen Moore is known for.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
He's not exclusively zoned.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think Ruiz definitely is more of a zone player,
but he's probably more of a center too. As Baldi
talked out, I just don't see how he stays on
this team behind beyond next year, and I don't see
how he retains a starting spot beyond week ten.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
My problem is, and this is kind of point of
what I wanted to bring up, is it's not even
like the man blocking. He's struggling. Like I'll even put
on the screen of Ruiz zone block. And I made
this comment to one of the commenters, like, oh, well,
he's he's always had a problem and like he's having
an issue with the new play caller. I'm like, he's
run the same outside zone run with Ak, with McCoy
(05:21):
and the left of him for six years, Like, so
this isn't be new, but he's showing those is is.
And when he came into the league, one of his
pros was decent technique to good technique. But now that's
gone and you don't have the strength to make up
for it either. So whatever has happened to him, it's
been a negative to the point that you're impeding Rattler, Ak,
(05:42):
Kendre Miller, anybody's ability to move to the right, whether
they're talking scramble, drill to the right, where we're talking
running zone to the right, even running man power, you're
certainly not gonna trust him run a trap block with him.
So unless there's a massive improvement, that's the first benching
I'm calling for is Ruiz to sit down. And I
don't care if you like ratings or somebody else to
(06:03):
come in, because I know there have been a few
people that have been shouting out, hey what about Simpkins.
You know, I get that he's younger, stuff like that.
For me, the reason I choose Rad just all transparency
because he started at right guard for the Tennessee Titans.
So you have an NFL starter who's done that, and
I think he'd be better than Ruiz without it being
as much of a question mark. If you want to
argue for simpkins or something to be there, I'm not
(06:23):
gonna fight you on it. My issue is that's your
number one problem on the offense right now, which is
sad because Fuaga, who is injured, had a solid game,
like he wasn't a bad player, and he's injured and
Banks on the opposite side, I'm gonna I'm gonna pull
the shack. I wasn't aware of your game, Like I
(06:45):
knew he was good. But the two games that we've seen,
and I know it's two games, which is not enough
to even build a scouting report, but the mental processing
is what's impressed me the most with Banks, he has
looked fantastic.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Thank you for making me look like I ask clown
by defending Ruiz with the zone comment.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Uh. And yet more importantly, just to briefly touch back.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
On that it was called out during it was called
out during the pie well during the broadcast of the
game that at one point the forty nine ers slid
Bosa inside and that tells you all you need to
know about the scouting report on the Ruiz.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
So moving to Kelvin Banks.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I really do like I like the fight that he showed.
I think he's again he through preseason he looked really
good as a pass blocker. Saw some things out like
to see improved run blocking. I think that's a work
in progress. But for left tackle, that's something that they
can get better at as they, you know, get older.
(07:53):
You want to see him be good at past blocking
or otherwise he's gonna look like Trevor Penning in his
rookie year now not good. So I like to play
Fuaga did find from his side, I really do think
the Saints should give him some time to rest though
I think it's a long season.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
He's clearly favoring that knee. Yeah, Like you can see it.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Even in the fight where everybody ran up to protect rattler,
Fuaga was the last person to get there. He walked
all the way there while everyone ran. He then when
he turned around you can see him being very ginger
on that knee. Getting back on the field. They should
give him a couple of weeks to rest.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So here's the tricky question. Then, when Penning's healthy, do
you put him in there for Fuaga to let get
some healing which leaves Ruiz in the game.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, because that's still gonna be your best. That's probably
still gonna because they and they do still have Pinning
listed as a guard slash tack on the website. Now
I'm not I would like to think that Kellor Moore
is meticulous, and I would like to think that if
he was only a Gord then they wouldn't put that
slash there.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
But that is something to consider it.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Well, the only.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Familiarity there as well.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, because the only other person they have is the
Sam Richards, which is the guy you picked up from
Dallas who's really not taken any snaps, barely had any
practice yet. So really there's a lot of options, which
is kind of your problem with the Ruiz situation is
like you need to fix. But as we've told people
for years, offensive line plays not easy. Now, I want
(09:31):
to be very clear, like all the things we're saying,
Spencer Rattler through two games only has a thirteen percent
pressure rate. Now, is that as amazing as we want
it to be?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
But for a reference, last year, Jake Hayner had thirty
four percent, Derek Carr had twenty four percent. Right, so
we're still significantly lower than last year, which was bad
offensive line play. Now that was an entire season's worth.
But still even with the issues we're having, we're seeing
Spencer have a better opportunity to try to showcase his
ability and grow. So, even with Rui's playing bad, which
(10:02):
I do want to say, I do believe he is,
it's not costing them games. Like, it's not that bad
of an offensive line play. They can still win.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So you're telling me that Banks was the right selection
in the first round.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, I mean, you're gonna be hard pressed to find
me not like an offensive line in the first round.
He wasn't necessarily my guy, and I'll be open about that.
But has he come out and done really well, absolutely
and deserves his flowers for it. Let's see if he
can keep it going.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I'm with it.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Let's anything else you want to touch on the offense.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So you want to swing one more thing. I do
want to Just because a lot of people talked about it,
and they asked about separation for the receivers, I would
say I don't really notice a huge separation issue. I
think that there is still timing issues between Rattler and
some of the receivers. Right, and before anybody says anything,
oh revs. Hating or Rattler again, Rattler himself said this
in an interview, So like, I don't need y'all coming
(11:00):
from me.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You are hating on him? Why I know you hate
on him?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Why tell me?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Because you've you mentioned very clearly at the beginning of
the part, we're not gonna spend much time. And yet
here you find yourself at the receiver on your way
back to because you talk.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
About the receivers and not talk about you.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Really don't favor him that much. It's based in reality.
You talk about in reality.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
The receivers and not talk about Ratler. I think it's
an extension and I think you they.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Couldn't talk about the receivers without going into.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Not when it comes to timing. And a good example
of that is the misshot in the end zone.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
There was a timing issue there, and Rattler talked about
being a timing issue. And my hope is those timing
issues which aren't a are they open or they not opening?
That is a progression thing that is going to get
better the more they play. At least that's the theory, right,
the more they were together, especially because we talked about
last year, a Lave wasn't reallyund much. I mean he's
suffered with concussion. Shaheed wasn't around much. One guy that
(12:04):
I think is kind of going under the radar in
a good way is Cooks. The reason I say that
is if you look at the stats and you look
at his catches, every catch except for one for Brandon
Cook so far, which is not a lot, has been
a first down. And if there's one thing that I
would like to see build is not only do I
want to see a relationship for Rattler building with Alive
(12:27):
and Shahed, but I want to see more Cooks of
that because Cooks is now he's buried in the depth
chart at this point in his career, right, He's not
going to be a one hundred reception thousand yard receiver,
but he has shown he's still got very capable hands,
very capable underneath as a drop off point or as
an escape route for third down conversions. And I'd like
to see more of that. So the idea of these
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guys aren't getting open. I don't really buy you in
a lot. There are definitely coverages where they are not
wide open. But I want to point out that at
the NFL level, if you've got three feet of space,
you're open. One yard that is open. And a good
example of that the Rashichia heat throw. Rashijia heat had
one step and a dime dropped into the bucket with
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a great catch. Special heat that is open. That is
a window throw in a windows zone. That's what they're having.
It's just getting to the point where they're hitting it consistently.
And Brandon Cooks is actually the one that surprises me
because of the reliability converting first.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Downs in around that about way, Rev is telling everybody
that whoever was making excuses for Ratler that there was
not separation or there was separation issues, they are getting
NFL level separation and that a lot of those misses
have to do with Ratler's ball location. That's what he's
trying to tell you. He's not that he's gonna say
(13:43):
it in a cute way. I'm just gonna tell you
what he's still thinking. Because Ratler isn't his technical preference,
and it's okay you know.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
In this game, Rattler is my preference. I want to
say that because this one game. Now I correct this somebody.
I know you laughing, but I gotta say this because
I won't hide how am I value I should see
you I can because you keep.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Because you keep trying to explain it.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I am who I am, and I won't deny. But
I want to say one thing about.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I want to say, no Rattler, Dad, this is a
Rattler episode.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Okay, this is who that Rattler. Let me tell you
about real the Rattler shout out he only had him
I had less than five bad throws, and I want
to give him credit for that. Now if he doesn't
do it in Seattle, I'm taking it back. I'm giving
it here today, right now.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
That you had to.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Point out he couldn't help but point out that the
man only had fair about five bad.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Throat that's good.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
You could have said he was good without even pointing
out the five bad throws, because you're saying Radler had.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
A good game.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Three touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Man, Hey, listen, can we can we talk about the defense?
We can? I'm tired of your love of fail with
rattlers and your.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
It is a it's a marriage. Just what it is.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
It's clear. It gets you going.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And you know what, But isn't that a good thing.
Isn't it good that we can have fun with football again?
Come on, if we.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Could go and talk about some defense. Who what what
is that?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I'm not aware what that is? All right, let's talk
about state. Enough jokes aside. You've got some interesting stats
on that defensive side when you get the get gos
at your system. I want to say my number one
issue with Staley is I don't understand what he wants
to do in some of his plays. They truly like
as the guy who likes to laud himself with the
narcissist that is Rev talking about all the years he's
(15:39):
spent at you know, scouting school and getting to work
with Titans and Saints. I'll be honest, I don't know
some of the logic behind some of these designs.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Some of these players are great, all right, and I
do think that there is one major area missing, and
that's pressure. And I believe they should blitz more. That
is my simple answer for that. But I do have
to raise the question why do we have plays where
Carl Granderson is lined up, and I'm not exaggerating over
ten yards away from the quarterback with Pete warnerstack behind him. Basically,
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he's lined up as a nickel corner. But he's not
re routing receivers, he's not jamming anybody, he's not messing
with tight ends. He's being asked to rush from twelve
yards away. I don't understand that as a design.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
So you may tell me.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Grandison has been asked to rush from twelve yards away
on occasion, and Pete's been asked to drop twenty five
to thirty yards from the line of scrimmage on some occasions.
So what you're telling me is that we have a
defensive coordinator who's play design is him trying to do
to goddamn much.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I think we said on Sunday he's being cute and
only but one thing, because I think we'll play into
what you wanna say. A good coordinator builds his deferentive
defense around the positives of his players, and what he's
doing in this play is not positive for Warner or Granderson.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
At your question, I'm gonna shed some light on this
for you. Most defensive coordinators start from.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Where what are they? What do they what is.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Normally their position or position coach? Where normally most of
your defensive coordinators come from.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I mean me, spitball on a lot of the ones
I've been recently been secondary coaches precisely.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Do you know why most defensive coordinators the secondary coaches first,
because they understand how the coverage ties to the front.
What was Brandon Staley's position?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Coach?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Like? Who was his?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I mean what position? Did he was?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
He known for coaching under Fangio? Specifically he got his
his his cut.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Under what position?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Safety?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Right? No, the linebackers, linebacker. There aren't very.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Many defensive co coordinators that will also linebacker coaches. When
I did the research on him as him being potential DC,
I started to come across videos articles that were highlighting
his time from the Chargers and how the Charger's secondary
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seemed to be in these compromising and confusing situations that
didn't make sense based on what the front was doing.
He struggles with tying the coverage to the front, and
that's going to be an issue. I was hoping we
got a good secondary coach that would help him have
(18:45):
those conversations better.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
But watch this When I did the research.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
There were a lot of players that with that San
Diego team, they were not fond of him as a
coordinatory said he tried to do to goddamn much. What
are the odds that his one year with his one
defense that was very good in the Rams? Do you
remember what happened that year? Tell us they had the lockout?
(19:14):
What if the guy known for having all the answers
to everything, having all of these elaborate schemes, what if
during the lockout. So sometimes we have things that we
have happened to us that we see as obstacles, but
really they're meant to push us forward in life. What
if the lockout made him just simplify the damn defense
on top of having access to two generational players in
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Ramsey and Donald. If I had to guess, this scheme
is trying to do to goddamn much right now. And
the easiest way to simplify having a linebacker not drop
or not be good in coverage is to just send
him on the goddamn blitz. Any damn way, just send
him on the blitz. If the ball is gonna be
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completed on him in coverage, you're adding him to the
coverage but the ball is still getting completed where he
should be at, which means he's a damn ghost on
the play. You might as well be playing ten versus eleven,
So you might as well remove Hi from the coverage
and add him to the rush.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And we're talking about it Pete Warner in that instance.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Any whoever you're blitzing.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
He has shown a tendency to want to rush four, right,
but you're not getting the pass rush pressure with just
the four, so you're using an extra. You're taking a
defender to drop him in coverage, but he's useless in coverage.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Doesn't matter who.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
They're in a bad predicament, So just add them to
the rush so that it's five in the rush six
on the back end. At least you have a better
chance of setting up one on ones for the other
players to make plays versus having the play made on them.
It doesn't matter who it is. He needs to blitz more.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, I agree, big thing for me because I think
Granderson is based on how the first two weeks have gone.
I'll say your best defensive player on the field right
now is Carl Granderson. And what can you do to
help out Granderson to be even better because he's tied
with the NFL lead for sacks by the way, which again,
sacks aren't everything, but it sure means a lot when
you're trying to win football games. I think you want
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to try to give him as many one on ones
as possible and well simply bring Yeah, he'll be with
We're gonna we're.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Gonna throw out the stat because I think I told
it to you in the text message that we were having.
Remember you mentioned that you felt like Carl Grandison was
dropping in coverage Yep, too much? Right, Well, Grandison, as
the right outside linebacker is dropping into coverage on more
than twenty percent of his snaps. Cam Jordan is around
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five percent. As the SAM cam is definitely not being
asked to drop very often.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
So what it's led.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
To is the number of snaps he's had as a
as a pass rusher. He's actually been behind BRASEI for
sure he's behind Brazil and he's behind Cam. Yeah, and
snaps as a pass rusher. So I think at this point,
let's see.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And this is the numbers, why probably bring in a
fifth of help so much? Yeah, hit me with it.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
See sixty five rush snaps Jordan has had sixty two
rush snaps. Grandison has had fifty one now ten, eleven, twelve,
thirteen or fourteen extra pass rush snaps might not seem
like a.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Lot, but in over a two game span, that's.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Actually a great deal because you're one two snaps away
from an instant pressure that changes a play. Right, So
you I mean, if you if you're gonna say a
fifty percent chance he makes a play, but I mean
that's you know, that's six stints at least eight opportunities
of at least eight of his rushers that may potentially
affect the play. Oh, he's being too passive, Staley is
(23:02):
he's being too passive, all in the same vein Again,
you research that Fangio defense. It's designed to have players
play moving forward, not backwards. It's easier for a guy
to come up and play the ball than it is
for him to retreat and play the ball. How many
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times have you seen Zach Bond dropping thirty yards down
the line of scream? You know what, Zach Bond does
a lot of his best work in that middle area
of the field and going forward. So he is messing
with the philosophy of the defense by constantly asking the
linebackers to drop fifteen to twenty yards off the line
of scrimmage. It's okay to do that as a change up,
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but that goes against what the actual philosophy of the
defense is. If you're gonna creep them up that way,
let them go forward, you might as well send them
on the blitz more then you drop them. Just let
the drop be a change up, not the identity. And
that's what it's been, and it's been pretty predictable because
it's not getting the confusion because what they're doing is
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they're lining one of the linebackers up in the A
gap and the defense is based on that four zero
four techniques, So the linebacker is just a replacement for
the nose that's no longer there. What he's meant to
do is hold the center for long enough that the
center gets confused on who he has to pick up,
and that split second creates the one on one that
you're not getting if you were sending five. Unfortunately, the
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portion of it is working as far as the center
does have to hold their attention, but then A the
pass rushers and getting there with just the four. But
B the linebacker is also a non factor in coverage.
So it's breaking on two levels. So you can fix
both by sending the extra rusher, evening it out to
five men and then letting it play out from there.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
And I'd argue that would even make the pass coverage,
which we do says a liability for guys like Warner
better because now you actually have to respect that rush.
But yeah, some good stuff. Man, there's our Stally thoughts.
He's a little bit confused. I'm gonna give a couple
games to work it out, but need more pressure. Number one.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
He's going to be I said it in the in
the talk, He's going to be what Gary Gibbs was
to Sean Payton Staley. That's gonna be Stally to Kellen Moore.
Kellen Moore is gonna have to go and find him
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Who that God blessed. Welcome back to Hoo that Professional podcast,
where today we're gonna talk about some of the analytics
and film notes from the week two loss. And look,
if you're a Saints fan who's acknowledged we're in a
rebuilding mode, there's a special thing that that can do
for you. It can let you enjoy things even if
you lose. And I really enjoyed watching this tape. What
I have liked to win this game? Absolutely? Should they
have won this game? Yeah, I'm gonna bang that table too, absolutely,
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But there's some really good stuff to see here. Some
also some negatives. I want to highlight some opinions that
we had on Sunday that might have changed slightly or
been reinforced. And you can only find those out if
you sit here with me and elliots and talk. How
you doing, My.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Friend, I'm doing pretty good. I'm enjoyed that you're enjoying
the tape.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
You know, it's crazy to talk about enjoying something when
your team's zero to two, but truly, I have like
Spencer Rattler, which we're not gonna spend a lot of
time on today because I think we gave him his
flowers on Sunday, had a really good game. He only
had a handful of plays that you go, wasn't great,
And for a guy that's in his eighth game, we'll
definitely take that. To the point. If you've looked on socials,
he's even starting to get national you know, recognition, which, hey,
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if he can pull it off and keep winning or
keep playing well, I should say, because obviously no wins yet,
but happy for that. But do want to talk about
some offense. Le's start with that and then I'll get
your insights. I'm gonna start with the hot tame. I'm
actually start with the negative. I wan't to get the negative.
By the way, Caesar Ruiz in his sixth year and
since he got drafted, one of the things that I
said and every endlest said was he had great technique,
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lacked functional play strength, had to get stronger to consistently
play at right guard, and while he never became a
pro Bowl level talent. You can look at other analytics,
whether you look at PFR who uses SIS. You can
look at PFF runblocking grades, which I don't recommend, but
I will acknowledge my bias and still say, hey, go
look at what they do Ruiz has never been like
the worst. He just he significantly improved compared to where
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he was, but he never became a Pro Bowl guy.
In his contract year, he played well enough to earn
a resign. Now last year didn't play great Eagles games
should be brought up stuff like that, And then this year,
I'm gonna go ahead and tell you week two, if
Trevor Pinning came back bench, Ruiz start Ratting's at right guard.
And to me, it's not even a debate at this point.
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He is playing that level of bad. He's overextending. His
center of gravity is up there with you all in
the six hundred section. I mean, this man is just
a turnstile in the most literal sense, and I hate
it because it's easy for our recency bias to go
Alhway's always been bad, but he wasn't this bad, and
right now he is that bad.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
You've always wanted to say that, That's what you've been
holding onto about Ruiz for quite some time. You try
to like diskis in under this like I don't want
to like talk about it.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
I liked him for the first six years.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Is you've been waiting to do yes?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Six years in Yes, You're right, six years, first three
or four years, we're giving them a little bit of growth.
Like hey, year three for offensive lineman is usually a
thing or twice that amount. Now, man, we're doubling right.
How many times you're gonna tell the kids that you're
not gonna get something to eat and then after they've
not eaten their spaghetti an hour later, you make them
a bowl of cereal. You can't keep giving them leeway.
You gotta pull it back. Don't ask where that analogy
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came from, right.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
It it look? Man?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Go keep it wrestling with Ruiz Ain't got enough masks
and ass as number one part of the problem. Not
enough masks and ass number two. Every huge hit that
a Saints quarterback has taken over the last six years
has come behind Louise.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It's a little enough allegorical, but I mean there's some
truth to what you're saying, you know, I mean enough?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Oh yeah, I mean, Twitter can bend it enough that
I do believe it. I'm just I'm gonna go ahead
and throw it out there. I do believe that behind
every hard hit for a Saints quarterback there was Reuise
miss block he got overpowered.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
That's just where I met on it.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
But honestly, he doesn't have enough mass and ass play right, God,
he's not squat those you want that offensive line. I
think the way that Moore wants to build that offensive line,
he wants to have some interior people movers and Ruiz
is not that. He is definitely more of a center,
a primary zone blocker. The Saints actually I'm not sure
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about last week, but the first week versus the Cardinals,
they were actually split fifty to fifty between zone and
man blocking, which is something that Kellen Moore is known for.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
He's not exclusively zoned.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think Ruiz definitely is more of a zone player,
but he's probably more of a center too. As Baldi
talked out, I just don't see how he stays on
this team behind beyond next year, and I don't see
how he retains a starting spot beyond week ten.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
My problem is, and this is kind of point of
what I wanted to bring up, is it's not even
like the man blocking. He's struggling. Like I'll even put
on the screen of Ruiz zone block. And I made
this comment to one of the commenters, like, oh, well,
he's he's always had a problem and like he's having
an issue with the new play caller. I'm like, he's
run the same outside zone run with Ak, with McCoy
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and the left of him for six years, Like, so
this isn't be new, but he's showing those is is.
And when he came into the league, one of his
pros was decent technique to good technique. But now that's
gone and you don't have the strength to make up
for it either. So whatever has happened to him, it's
been a negative to the point that you're impeding Rattler, Ak,
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Kendre Miller, anybody's ability to move to the right, whether
they're talking scramble, drill to the right, where we're talking
running zone to the right, even running man power, you're
certainly not gonna trust him run a trap block with him.
So unless there's a massive improvement, that's the first benching
I'm calling for is Ruiz to sit down. And I
don't care if you like ratings or somebody else to
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come in, because I know there have been a few
people that have been shouting out, hey what about Simpkins.
You know, I get that he's younger, stuff like that.
For me, the reason I choose Rad just all transparency
because he started at right guard for the Tennessee Titans.
So you have an NFL starter who's done that, and
I think he'd be better than Ruiz without it being
as much of a question mark. If you want to
argue for simpkins or something to be there, I'm not
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gonna fight you on it. My issue is that's your
number one problem on the offense right now, which is
sad because Fuaga, who is injured, had a solid game,
like he wasn't a bad player, and he's injured and
Banks on the opposite side, I'm gonna I'm gonna pull
the shack. I wasn't aware of your game, Like I
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knew he was good. But the two games that we've seen,
and I know it's two games, which is not enough
to even build a scouting report, but the mental processing
is what's impressed me the most with Banks, he has
looked fantastic.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Thank you for making me look like I ask clown
by defending Ruiz with the zone comment.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Uh. And yet more importantly, just to briefly touch back.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
On that it was called out during it was called
out during the pie well during the broadcast of the
game that at one point the forty nine ers slid
Bosa inside and that tells you all you need to
know about the scouting report on the Ruiz.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
So moving to Kelvin Banks.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I really do like I like the fight that he showed.
I think he's again he through preseason he looked really
good as a pass blocker. Saw some things out like
to see improved run blocking. I think that's a work
in progress. But for left tackle, that's something that they
can get better at as they, you know, get older.
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You want to see him be good at past blocking
or otherwise he's gonna look like Trevor Penning in his
rookie year now not good. So I like to play
Fuaga did find from his side, I really do think
the Saints should give him some time to rest though
I think it's a long season.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
He's clearly favoring that knee. Yeah, Like you can see it.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Even in the fight where everybody ran up to protect rattler,
Fuaga was the last person to get there. He walked
all the way there while everyone ran. He then when
he turned around you can see him being very ginger
on that knee. Getting back on the field. They should
give him a couple of weeks to rest.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So here's the tricky question. Then, when Penning's healthy, do
you put him in there for Fuaga to let get
some healing which leaves Ruiz in the game.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, because that's still gonna be your best. That's probably
still gonna because they and they do still have Pinning
listed as a guard slash tack on the website. Now
I'm not I would like to think that Kellor Moore
is meticulous, and I would like to think that if
he was only a Gord then they wouldn't put that
slash there.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
But that is something to consider it.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Well, the only.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Familiarity there as well.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, because the only other person they have is the
Sam Richards, which is the guy you picked up from
Dallas who's really not taken any snaps, barely had any
practice yet. So really there's a lot of options, which
is kind of your problem with the Ruiz situation is
like you need to fix. But as we've told people
for years, offensive line plays not easy. Now, I want
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to be very clear, like all the things we're saying,
Spencer Rattler through two games only has a thirteen percent
pressure rate. Now, is that as amazing as we want
it to be?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:40):
But for a reference, last year, Jake Hayner had thirty
four percent, Derek Carr had twenty four percent. Right, so
we're still significantly lower than last year, which was bad
offensive line play. Now that was an entire season's worth.
But still even with the issues we're having, we're seeing
Spencer have a better opportunity to try to showcase his
ability and grow. So, even with Rui's playing bad, which
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I do want to say, I do believe he is,
it's not costing them games. Like, it's not that bad
of an offensive line play. They can still win.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
So you're telling me that Banks was the right selection
in the first round.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, I mean, you're gonna be hard pressed to find
me not like an offensive line in the first round.
He wasn't necessarily my guy, and I'll be open about that.
But has he come out and done really well, absolutely
and deserves his flowers for it. Let's see if he
can keep it going.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I'm with it.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Let's anything else you want to touch on the offense.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
So you want to swing one more thing. I do
want to Just because a lot of people talked about it,
and they asked about separation for the receivers, I would
say I don't really notice a huge separation issue. I
think that there is still timing issues between Rattler and
some of the receivers. Right, and before anybody says anything,
oh revs. Hating or Rattler again, Rattler himself said this
in an interview, So like, I don't need y'all coming
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from me.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You are hating on him? Why I know you hate
on him?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Why tell me?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Because you've you mentioned very clearly at the beginning of
the part, we're not gonna spend much time. And yet
here you find yourself at the receiver on your way
back to because you talk.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
About the receivers and not talk about you.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Really don't favor him that much. It's based in reality.
You talk about in reality.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
The receivers and not talk about Ratler. I think it's
an extension and I think you they.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Couldn't talk about the receivers without going into.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Not when it comes to timing. And a good example
of that is the misshot in the end zone.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
There was a timing issue there, and Rattler talked about
being a timing issue. And my hope is those timing
issues which aren't a are they open or they not opening?
That is a progression thing that is going to get
better the more they play. At least that's the theory, right,
the more they were together, especially because we talked about
last year, a Lave wasn't reallyund much. I mean he's
suffered with concussion. Shaheed wasn't around much. One guy that
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I think is kind of going under the radar in
a good way is Cooks. The reason I say that
is if you look at the stats and you look
at his catches, every catch except for one for Brandon
Cook so far, which is not a lot, has been
a first down. And if there's one thing that I
would like to see build is not only do I
want to see a relationship for Rattler building with Alive
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and Shahed, but I want to see more Cooks of
that because Cooks is now he's buried in the depth
chart at this point in his career, right, He's not
going to be a one hundred reception thousand yard receiver,
but he has shown he's still got very capable hands,
very capable underneath as a drop off point or as
an escape route for third down conversions. And I'd like
to see more of that. So the idea of these
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guys aren't getting open. I don't really buy you in
a lot. There are definitely coverages where they are not
wide open. But I want to point out that at
the NFL level, if you've got three feet of space,
you're open. One yard that is open. And a good
example of that the Rashichia heat throw. Rashijia heat had
one step and a dime dropped into the bucket with
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a great catch. Special heat that is open. That is
a window throw in a windows zone. That's what they're having.
It's just getting to the point where they're hitting it consistently.
And Brandon Cooks is actually the one that surprises me
because of the reliability converting first.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Downs in around that about way, Rev is telling everybody
that whoever was making excuses for Ratler that there was
not separation or there was separation issues, they are getting
NFL level separation and that a lot of those misses
have to do with Ratler's ball location. That's what he's
trying to tell you. He's not that he's gonna say
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it in a cute way. I'm just gonna tell you
what he's still thinking. Because Ratler isn't his technical preference,
and it's okay you know.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
In this game, Rattler is my preference. I want to
say that because this one game. Now I correct this somebody.
I know you laughing, but I gotta say this because
I won't hide how am I value I should see
you I can because you keep.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Because you keep trying to explain it.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I am who I am, and I won't deny. But
I want to say one thing about.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I want to say, no Rattler, Dad, this is a
Rattler episode.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Okay, this is who that Rattler. Let me tell you
about real the Rattler shout out he only had him
I had less than five bad throws, and I want
to give him credit for that. Now if he doesn't
do it in Seattle, I'm taking it back. I'm giving
it here today, right now.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
That you had to.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Point out he couldn't help but point out that the
man only had fair about five bad.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Throat that's good.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
You could have said he was good without even pointing
out the five bad throws, because you're saying Radler had.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
A good game.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Three touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Man, Hey, listen, can we can we talk about the defense?
We can? I'm tired of your love of fail with
rattlers and your.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
It is a it's a marriage. Just what it is.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
It's clear. It gets you going.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
And you know what, But isn't that a good thing.
Isn't it good that we can have fun with football again?
Come on, if we.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Could go and talk about some defense. Who what what
is that?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I'm not aware what that is? All right, let's talk
about state. Enough jokes aside. You've got some interesting stats
on that defensive side when you get the get gos
at your system. I want to say my number one
issue with Staley is I don't understand what he wants
to do in some of his plays. They truly like
as the guy who likes to laud himself with the
narcissist that is Rev talking about all the years he's
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spent at you know, scouting school and getting to work
with Titans and Saints. I'll be honest, I don't know
some of the logic behind some of these designs.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Now.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Some of these players are great, all right, and I
do think that there is one major area missing, and
that's pressure. And I believe they should blitz more. That
is my simple answer for that. But I do have
to raise the question why do we have plays where
Carl Granderson is lined up, and I'm not exaggerating over
ten yards away from the quarterback with Pete warnerstack behind him. Basically,
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he's lined up as a nickel corner. But he's not
re routing receivers, he's not jamming anybody, he's not messing
with tight ends. He's being asked to rush from twelve
yards away. I don't understand that as a design.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
So you may tell me.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Grandison has been asked to rush from twelve yards away
on occasion, and Pete's been asked to drop twenty five
to thirty yards from the line of scrimmage on some occasions.
So what you're telling me is that we have a
defensive coordinator who's play design is him trying to do
to goddamn much.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I think we said on Sunday he's being cute and
only but one thing, because I think we'll play into
what you wanna say. A good coordinator builds his deferentive
defense around the positives of his players, and what he's
doing in this play is not positive for Warner or Granderson.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
At your question, I'm gonna shed some light on this
for you. Most defensive coordinators start from.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Where what are they? What do they what is.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Normally their position or position coach? Where normally most of
your defensive coordinators come from.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I mean me, spitball on a lot of the ones
I've been recently been secondary coaches precisely.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Do you know why most defensive coordinators the secondary coaches first,
because they understand how the coverage ties to the front.
What was Brandon Staley's position?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Coach?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Like? Who was his?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
I mean what position? Did he was?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
He known for coaching under Fangio? Specifically he got his
his his cut.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Under what position?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Safety?
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Right? No, the linebackers, linebacker. There aren't very.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Many defensive co coordinators that will also linebacker coaches. When
I did the research on him as him being potential DC,
I started to come across videos articles that were highlighting
his time from the Chargers and how the Charger's secondary
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seemed to be in these compromising and confusing situations that
didn't make sense based on what the front was doing.
He struggles with tying the coverage to the front, and
that's going to be an issue. I was hoping we
got a good secondary coach that would help him have
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those conversations better.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
But watch this When I did the research.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
There were a lot of players that with that San
Diego team, they were not fond of him as a
coordinatory said he tried to do to goddamn much. What
are the odds that his one year with his one
defense that was very good in the Rams? Do you
remember what happened that year? Tell us they had the lockout?
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What if the guy known for having all the answers
to everything, having all of these elaborate schemes, what if
during the lockout. So sometimes we have things that we
have happened to us that we see as obstacles, but
really they're meant to push us forward in life. What
if the lockout made him just simplify the damn defense
on top of having access to two generational players in
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Ramsey and Donald. If I had to guess, this scheme
is trying to do to goddamn much right now. And
the easiest way to simplify having a linebacker not drop
or not be good in coverage is to just send
him on the goddamn blitz. Any damn way, just send
him on the blitz. If the ball is gonna be
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completed on him in coverage, you're adding him to the
coverage but the ball is still getting completed where he
should be at, which means he's a damn ghost on
the play. You might as well be playing ten versus eleven,
So you might as well remove Hi from the coverage
and add him to the rush.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And we're talking about it Pete Warner in that instance.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Any whoever you're blitzing.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
He has shown a tendency to want to rush four, right,
but you're not getting the pass rush pressure with just
the four, so you're using an extra. You're taking a
defender to drop him in coverage, but he's useless in coverage.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Doesn't matter who.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
They're in a bad predicament, So just add them to
the rush so that it's five in the rush six
on the back end. At least you have a better
chance of setting up one on ones for the other
players to make plays versus having the play made on them.
It doesn't matter who it is. He needs to blitz more.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Yeah, I agree, big thing for me because I think
Granderson is based on how the first two weeks have gone.
I'll say your best defensive player on the field right
now is Carl Granderson. And what can you do to
help out Granderson to be even better because he's tied
with the NFL lead for sacks by the way, which again,
sacks aren't everything, but it sure means a lot when
you're trying to win football games. I think you want
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to try to give him as many one on ones
as possible and well simply bring Yeah, he'll be with
We're gonna we're.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Gonna throw out the stat because I think I told
it to you in the text message that we were having.
Remember you mentioned that you felt like Carl Grandison was
dropping in coverage Yep, too much? Right, Well, Grandison, as
the right outside linebacker is dropping into coverage on more
than twenty percent of his snaps. Cam Jordan is around
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five percent. As the SAM cam is definitely not being
asked to drop very often.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
So what it's led.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
To is the number of snaps he's had as a
as a pass rusher. He's actually been behind BRASEI for
sure he's behind Brazil and he's behind Cam. Yeah, and
snaps as a pass rusher. So I think at this point,
let's see.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And this is the numbers, why probably bring in a
fifth of help so much? Yeah, hit me with it.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
See sixty five rush snaps Jordan has had sixty two
rush snaps. Grandison has had fifty one now ten, eleven, twelve,
thirteen or fourteen extra pass rush snaps might not seem
like a.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Lot, but in over a two game span, that's.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Actually a great deal because you're one two snaps away
from an instant pressure that changes a play. Right, So
you I mean, if you if you're gonna say a
fifty percent chance he makes a play, but I mean
that's you know, that's six stints at least eight opportunities
of at least eight of his rushers that may potentially
affect the play. Oh, he's being too passive, Staley is
(23:02):
he's being too passive, all in the same vein Again,
you research that Fangio defense. It's designed to have players
play moving forward, not backwards. It's easier for a guy
to come up and play the ball than it is
for him to retreat and play the ball. How many
(23:24):
times have you seen Zach Bond dropping thirty yards down
the line of scream? You know what, Zach Bond does
a lot of his best work in that middle area
of the field and going forward. So he is messing
with the philosophy of the defense by constantly asking the
linebackers to drop fifteen to twenty yards off the line
of scrimmage. It's okay to do that as a change up,
(23:46):
but that goes against what the actual philosophy of the
defense is. If you're gonna creep them up that way,
let them go forward, you might as well send them
on the blitz more then you drop them. Just let
the drop be a change up, not the identity. And
that's what it's been, and it's been pretty predictable because
it's not getting the confusion because what they're doing is
(24:07):
they're lining one of the linebackers up in the A
gap and the defense is based on that four zero
four techniques, So the linebacker is just a replacement for
the nose that's no longer there. What he's meant to
do is hold the center for long enough that the
center gets confused on who he has to pick up,
and that split second creates the one on one that
you're not getting if you were sending five. Unfortunately, the
(24:32):
portion of it is working as far as the center
does have to hold their attention, but then A the
pass rushers and getting there with just the four. But
B the linebacker is also a non factor in coverage.
So it's breaking on two levels. So you can fix
both by sending the extra rusher, evening it out to
five men and then letting it play out from there.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
And I'd argue that would even make the pass coverage,
which we do says a liability for guys like Warner
better because now you actually have to respect that rush.
But yeah, some good stuff. Man, there's our Stally thoughts.
He's a little bit confused. I'm gonna give a couple
games to work it out, but need more pressure. Number one.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
He's going to be I said it in the in
the talk, He's going to be what Gary Gibbs was
to Sean Payton Staley. That's gonna be Stally to Kellen Moore.
Kellen Moore is gonna have to go and find him
of Greg Williams love it.
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Speaker 3 (25:56):
The home game.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I don't want him getting filled with a post fans
God damn it. Go to Saints football talk dot com.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Next game, right, enjoy yourself. Next game is no. Next
game is Seattle.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
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We also played Buffalo a waste. I think that it's
the game after that was a home game. I thought
Buffalo was away game. I do think Buffalo is an
away game.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Let me double check.
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Think a ways.
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