Saints Name 8 Captains | Thomas Dimitroff Hired | Bye-Bye J.T. Gray

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Welcome back to the hood, that professional podcast. Everybody. We're
back on schedule. We're back on track, and we got
four big topics that would hit you with today before
we jump into previewing the Arizona Cardinals coming up this week.
Week one, starting with and joint is always, of course
by all Lias. The captains of the New Orleans Saints.
Some familiar faces, some different. In fact, some of the

(00:42):
topics we're gonna talk about are gonna intermingle here today,
but I'm looking forward to it. We talked about it
right before the show. What do you think about the captains?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
That list fits?

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, rebuilding year, But I think everybody that's suggested that
we kind of tank or this is like a rebuild team,
it's still too many veterans on this team for me
to suggest that this is a I mean, look at
the captains. Alpamira thirty, the Mario Davis thirty, Cam Jordan
over thirty, Brandon Cook's over thirty, Eric McCatty knocking on

(01:16):
the door at thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Blake group is probably the youngest one.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
And one even new players right Like it's just Justin
Reid and Brandon Cooks who were even new to the
team who made the captain for list. So it's not
like you rebuilt, brought in you know, you didn't draft
Miles Garrett and make him a captain.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Right right, So it's a it's a retool for me.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
And so the captains, I would lean toward rebuild if
the division wasn't so if I think the division is winnable.
And so I'm looking at the captains and the captains
of the team, they they fit. I mean, Cooks came
in and did a lot during the off season with

(01:59):
organ and.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Things with the wide receivers in the quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Cam is a normal Eric is a normal Blake groupie
you mentioned because we walked away from JT.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Gray, So you have Blake groupie there.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
And then Zach Wood has been on the team for
a decade and so Alvin Kamara is a new more
of a newly minted team captain. He didn't play that
role until last year prior to Dennis Allen leaving, or
after Dennis Allen left he was made captain.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
And so yeah, this, I mean it fits. I have
no problem with the captains.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, I mean, we'll talk about JT. Gray here in
the second. You know, when I look at it, it's
again the rebuild. I get where you're coming from, and
I don't necessarily disagree that the division here, I'm not
sold on Tampa Bay. We'll see what they do. And
maybe it's just me being negative, Nancy. I just I
can't buy into Tampa Bay consistently. I'm not saying they're terrible.
I'm just saying that I don't see them as a

(02:57):
clear cut dominator in the division. Like they're not the
new New England Patriots of the NFC East back in
the twenty tens or anything. And because of that, like
you don't have to fully embrace rebuild at the same time,
you know, the question marks are so large and glaring
with New Orleans. You wouldn't be wrong if you're a
national pundit and he called a rebuild either. I mean,
obviously new coaching staff, you know, a quarterback that technically

(03:20):
isn't a new quarterback. But let's just say, for all
intents and purposes, a new quarterback getting thrown in with
DA you know, and last year's situation certainly didn't do
Rattler any favors. Let's just call it, you know, him
having a fresh opportunity. It makes sense to have it
as both ways, which I guess could be seen as
a good thing. And I think that comes down to
the captains, because one thing you have in our captains

(03:41):
is a lot of leadership. I mean, because if it
was a rebuild like what you're saying, you'd have a
bunch of like twenty two to twenty three twenty five
year old guys wearing seas whether or not they were
truly leaders, they were being put into that position, whereas
here New Orleans does have established leaders. Will like question
how effective Cameron Jordan will be in like his nineteenth
year in the league, which is what it feels like
at this point. Yeah, I'll question how affected he'll be.

(04:04):
But at the same time, are there better people to
leave the defensive line. I don't think there are. Are
there better people to leave that defensive room him and
tomorrow Davis.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
No.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I think that those are the guys and hopefully they
can raise up the next crops. You're like this weird
intermediary period where you're halfway rebuilding, but at the same
time you've still got talent on this roster, and you know,
I actually feel like it's understated the talent that they
believe they picked up in Justin Reid. I mean, if
I think if Justin Reid had gone to almost any
other team, like a contender team, people would be talking

(04:33):
about that a lot more than him coming to New Orleans.
But you got to established veterans here while still trying
to bring up that next crop, which is what an
established team would be doing.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
So yeah, I like Justin Reied there too. I think
Justin Reid could have been a quasi captain. I've heard
him talk several times throughout the offseason. He is definitely
a guy that seeks the uplift the players around him,
talks very highly.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Of them, but you can he has that.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Lead by example mentality, but he can also preach it
as well, and so he could have easily been on
this list for me. But again, it would have been
tough to unseat the Mario Davis or Cam Jordan as
defensive captains in that room. But he's definitely more of
the general type at this point.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, and especially with the Honey Badger retiring as well,
you know, just a couple months ago, so you know,
Reid has now taking that mantle and I'm curious see
what the secondary looks like because we're talking captains. You know,
I would have figured J. T. Gray would have been
one of those.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
J T.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Gray being released and we'll see if he ends up
like fully retiring. I mean, it's this is a guy
that was a three time Pro bowler, I'm sorry, three
time All Pro made the Pro Bowl roster a few
years ago. But it has been a special team All
Pro for a while now. And this is also we're
still in that same conversation, are you in a rebuilder

(05:58):
are you not? Because J. T. Gray has been a
tremendous contributor as a special teamer, But then you have
guys like Isaiah Stalberg coming in and you know, looking
really good here in camp and preseason, and when you
talk about special teams, well, the big thing with special
teams is developing those talents, right, developing young guys in particular.
You're not usually keeping aging veterans, even if they're really

(06:19):
good on special teams. Those are roster spots you're devoting
to young guys that you're trying to develop, put onto
the field and let them contribute. So the J T.
Gray thing is, you know, again, war the c can't
really name a better special teamer in the past ten
years for New Orleans. I think he's been absolutely fantastic.
But this is them moving on to a you know,

(06:39):
a younger generation which opened up that you know, a
special team captain spot. But I do definitely, if nothing else,
want to thank for what he did, because I really
do believe that in terms of the great special teamers
they've had, you know, just in even going back to
the Payton error, j T. Gray has been one of
the most consistent and best and it does suck to
see it in. I mean, at some point the error
is even like alvimk what aks got maybe what two

(07:01):
more great years in him before you really start talking
about him, Like, hey, the name's great, but it's not
there no more. It happens to everybody, but J T.
Gray no longer with the Saints.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, And I think I looked at it from the
standpoint of J. T. Gray's cap hit was like the
the count here one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen.
He was the seventeenth His cap hit was the seventeenth
highest on the team.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, just behind guys like.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Nathan Sheppard and Justin Reid, but ahead of guys like
Brian Berze, Julian Blackman, Pete Warner, Brandon Cooks, kool Aid, mckinstreet,
all guys that are scheduled to play much.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Bigger roles yea than what JT. Gray.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
And so it's almost like the expectation of performance didn't
line up with the pay for them. Along with this
team increasingly getting younger, like the fact that the Mario
and Cam Joy.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
And skew the age of this team.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
In the overall average age of this team, this team
has gotten a lot younger over the last six to seven.
There's even not as many undrafted free agents on this team.
So I think Kellen Moore is doing a good job
of churning this roster the way he needs to, And
so JT. Gray unfortunately was likely a casualty of that.
And yet again this listen, this isn't a team where

(08:25):
a special team's ace is going to make a break
this team per se, and so it was definitely likely
a hard decision and yet very much a necessary decision
for the direction that they're going now.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, see, he was about to turn twenty nine at
the end of this other His birthday is in January
twenty nine. And then, like you said, you were paying
and I'm not taking away that he was an elite
and maybe even still can be an Leade special team
or he was a second team All Pro last year. Right,
But you're paying a guy the money that you would
pay a starter on defense. You're paying him as a

(09:02):
special team guy. And JT. Gray would come in and contribute.
I'm not going to pretend like he didn't hit the field, right,
But it's a combination. And by that argument, I'd actually argue,
if you were going to release Gray, you probably should
have done it sooner, and I guess maybe they didn't
because they needed to confirm they had some young special
team guys they could rely on if you were going
to release J. T. Gray. But you know he is

(09:24):
getting older. And to your point, there is a skewing
there when you look at the Saints being one of
the older teams in the league, because they have ten
players who were over thirty, but three of those are
over thirty five, Taysom Hill, Tomorrio Davis, and Cameron Jordan.
If you look at what they've actually been building in
terms of starters here recently, you have a lot of
young guys. Kelvin Banks is only twenty one. Like, I'm
real excited about him. I was hesitant on the pick

(09:46):
only because you know, I felt like there was a
lot of needs, including other offensive line positions. But Fuaga
and him seem to be working and if he can
be healthy, Penning might make me eat crow on moving
him to guard, which, hey, if that succeeds for the
team and that works, absolutely fantastic. But you look at
like Kendre Miller and kool Aid McKinstry and Fuaga and

(10:08):
maybe to a degree Bove Memes, but Trey Palmer, who
they just picked up. All these are young guys under
the age of twenty five, like, and that's not even
including you know, Spencer Ratler, which I know a lot
of people want to develop. There's some people who won't
shuck there doesn't really matter. A lot of the key
pieces of this team is putting together are younger guys,
and there is a heavy skew because you can't name
many teams in the NFL that have three players, assuming

(10:30):
they're not in like a punter or something, that are
above the age of thirty five. It's just it's the
NFL that doesn't happen. People aren't my age in Elias's
age in the NFL. Just it's very rare, you know.
It's you've got coaches now that are going to be
younger than tomorrow Davis and Camern Jordan. So again, j T. Gray, big,
thank you for what he provided. But you know, Kellen Moore,

(10:51):
I think the best way to word it, and you
and I talk about this before the show, is he's
truly creating his own thing. This is not a Dennis
Islad We're going to keep it going, keep chopping wood.
This is he's building what he's gonna build. Now, whether
that's a successful build, we'll see, but he's certainly not
sticking with things just because that's the status quo. He's
making it how he wants to make it.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Of cour It's a good segue into I think the
next topic, and that what made this destination the ideal
spot for killing Moore is the fact that there's a
lot of experience from a lot of different places that
can help with the decision making process. For more, he
can focus on coaching. He doesn't have to play the

(11:33):
role that maybe Sean Playton played where he was almost
like a quasi GM in ways like direct control over
a lot of things. Kelly can kind of settle in
and find his footing, work on being the coach more
and then lean on.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
The other voices that are in the building.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
One of them is a new voice from an old
person or an old rival. And Thomas Demetrov looks like
the Saints are going to be bringing him.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
On as a consultant.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
As he'll be helping Mickey Loomis in every area of
running scenes, all fast sets of running the team, which
for me, we talked about it earlier.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
I see this as.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
A bigger deal than maybe what it may seem like
on the surface, because he's joining a list of former
gms and Randon Mueller, who Loomis brought on not too
long ago, Jeff Allen, who loom has brought on for
the twenty seventeen year, twenty sixteen year. The difference is

(12:35):
those two guys are unlikely to get GM opportunities again.
Dimitroff and the last hiring cycle actually interviewed for the
Jets position, and I think one other team that he
interviewed for.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Dimitrov is still young.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
They see this as a successor type of energy for
Mickey Loomis, and I think it's a smart thing for Mickey.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
I think the older he gets.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
To realize, the more he realized you have to lean
on other people and have people around you that can
help make decisions. But dimitrov the rivalry, it just seems
like he could be someone that can be groomed to
be the successful success for making in a couple of years.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
And it should also be pointed. I know we don't
like to do this because obviously he was the GM
for the Falcons for over a decade, but it should
be pointed out that he was a successful gym for
the Falcons because he was Remember dimitro F I think
came in in like two thousand and nine, it was
right around the Saint super Bowl. Was his first year
with Atlanta. It was maybe eight or nine. I'd have
to look it up, but I know he obviously made

(13:38):
it all the way to twenty twenty. They had that
horrible season, they went like four and twelve. He was gone.
But if you look at what he did throughout that
they made the playoffs what six times while he was
with the Falcons. They went to the super Bowl and lost, right,
but you made it to the super Bowl. You had
multiple years in that what about decades span where they
won ten games or more. I think there were six

(14:00):
those playoff season where they won ten games or more.
And I know for a fact that his win loss
record is significantly in favor of wins compared to Jeff Ireland,
who was in the losing column when he was with Miami.
So it's not like he's coming in as a unsuccessful
GM who's just gonna feed in ideas. This is a
guy who has a tracker of success. And you know,
sometimes we've talked about it before, gms and coaches need

(14:22):
to move to new spots. You get stagnant in one spot.
You don't see a lot of coaches or even gms
lasting ten plus years. Sometimes that's natural. But you know,
this is a guy that's had a lot of success.
And I hate to say that because again, you know,
he's Falcon, but he's not even sixty years old yet,
and in terms of GM years, he's not super old.

(14:42):
So ye, And I'm still a little bit in the
camp if I'm rooting for Ireland, because I do think
Ireland's done a great job overall with the scouting department.
What this team chooses a draft and how they choose
their approaches on them. But I do believe the scouting
overhaul that happened, you know, several years ago, has been
a great benefit to this team. But at the same time,
like there's nothing wrong with having you know, knowledgeable guys

(15:03):
who can contribute, and like you said, if he is
the runner up, well, that would make a lot of
Saints fans happy because there are certainly a very loud,
no longer minority group of people calling for Mickey Loomis's head,
right or wrong. And he's been in his position over
twenty years now, Right, we talk about guys not lasting
a long time, and we can talk that, Yes, most

(15:24):
of what he does is paperwork, right. He's not the
type of GM that interferes with roster maneuvers. For example,
He's not a Jerry Jones. Right. He handles make sure
the organization is running. He does contribute, but he's not
out there telling you who to draft.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
He's not the type he's always been, whether it's Jeff Ireland,
Kellen Moore now Sean Payton. He is a coaches GM.
He lets the coach manage the team, he manages the organization.
But at the same time, like you said, you need
new perspectives, especially fresh perspectives, and Demitrov may provide that.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
All i'mus usually.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Works as sort of like a bulletproof vest for whoever
the coach is. He takes all of the the all
of the things where people are like Loomis made this decision,
and it's like there's been enough evidence over the years
that Loomis steps back and typically.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Lets the coach run the team.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Before there were many examples of Dennis Allen being asked
whose decision it would be, and Dennis Allen made it
very clear that the final decision on a lot of
things dealing with the roster fell with him, and so
Loomis tends to play that bulletproof role of I'll take most.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Of the blame, I'll only get a little bit of the.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Credit, but he kind of offers a buffer for the
head coach to do things and then kind of let
things work out. Loomis as he gets older, yes that
for the time comes for everyone in every capacity of
this game.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Jerry Jones is still holding on.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
And yet Jerry Jones is also still make mistakes like
trading a arguably a future Hall of Fame talent for
two lottery picks a lottery tickets in next year's draft
and then trying to convince the organization that that was
a good move on the basis that we need to
defend the run.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
I think a good move, to be honest with you,
But that's another debate. I think it was a good move,
to be honest with you. Michael Parsons is Trey Hendrickson,
but better. He is one dimensional, he's getting older, he's
having injury issues, and they weren't going to pay him
fifty million a year. So you managed to get something,
whereas New Orleans got crap. Like yeah, I mean, if
you're gonna make that move, do what Jerry does now?

(17:40):
Will it end up panning out long term? I'll tell
you this, if you're Green Bay, this has got to
be your win at year, because if you look at
their contract situation in the next two years, it's worse
than New Orleans has been with Mickey Loomis. So like
Green Bajors threw all the dice in the wind right
now with Jordan Love Michael Parsons, et cetera. And hey,
we'll see if that works out for him, But they
weren't going to pay a one dimensional player who is

(18:03):
not elite versus the run fifty million a year. I mean,
so if you know you're not going to do it,
and you can't get him at a discount, you might
as well get a haul. That's what we wanted Mickey
Loomis to do. Mickey Loomis didn't get nothing for Trey
So I guess that's the skew view of why I
look at it as now Jerry Jones didn't lose, maybe
because I'm used to seeing Loomis give away nothing and

(18:25):
get nothing, so I didn't see it. Now, am I
debating the talent of Parsons? Not at all. I think
Parsons is. I would call him the second best pass
rusher in the NFL today, but he's also not top
five in terms of complete defensive ends either, so and
put I'd only put him second to Miles Garrett as

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a pass rusher. It's Garrett, then Parsons tray Line Burks.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, well, how did the Titans fair trading aj Brown
for Trey Lin Burks?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
And how did that go?

Speaker 3 (19:01):
You do not look if you're gonna trade for if
you're gonna give away a known talent. In fact, arguably,
have we really maximized the picks that we got for
Sean Payton. No wait, the picks we got for Sean
Payton turned into Brian Bersey and kool Aid McKinstry.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Not yet.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
It's not that it's a bad decision. It's that when
you're trading them for picks. Pick picks in the draft
are simply lottery tickets, and played the lottery, it's just
as easy to walk away with nothing except some jade
silver on your lap when you're done scratching that ticket.

(19:47):
They traded for a solid defensive tackle. But also when
you look at that defensive tackle, he's regressed every year
since his third year. And here's the other flip. He
hasn't been a great run defended eat over the last year.
So the whole analogy that they did it so they
can help stop the run.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
He hasn't been good versus the run. More of an
interior pass rusher, yeah, a part of his game, but
he's been less good against the run. So listen.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
In theory, yes, you get two first round picks, you
get a player. In theory, you got something for him,
But more often than not, the team that gets the
proven commodity usually wins out.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
On those trades.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, look, long term, we'll see The biggest thing that
I see with this came down to the price point.
And we've had this debate about Drew Brees, right, like,
if you were willing to pay him, We're not turning
to a Cowboys podcast, I promise, But for anybody who's
watching this, we've had plenty of experience with salary cap issues.
It's New Orleans, right, and we talked about Drew Brees'
cab it for a long time. Fifty million. Even if

(20:47):
the salary cap hits three hundred million, which we expected
to hit it in a couple of years, I think
next year is projected to be right at three hundred million. Well,
that means one sixth of your entire roster is Michaeh Parsons.
That is a lot of cap to throw at a
non quarterback, arguably one dimensional, elite, potential Hall of Famer.

(21:08):
Sure it just how much do you value that player?
Like that is a lot of your cap. That's a lot.
I'm not saying it's the wrong decision, but I understand it.
And maybe I'm too cheap. I've been notorious for this.
I am very cheap when it comes to salary cap money.
I'm notorious about it. Maybe you do need to spring
that extra for that big guy, But fifty million years

(21:30):
a lot. If it's not named like something like Patrick
Mahomes or Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, it's a lot
of money.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Yeah, man, I think you're underselling Michael Pawson's a lot
I can understand.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
And the reason I say is because you.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Said that Michael Parson's isn't the level of run defended that,
you know, some of the top guys are And one
of the arguments I made for not paying Free Hendrickson,
Trey Hendrickson has never had more than fifty tackles in
a year. In fact, he went thirteen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty five,
thirty two, forty three, forty six, most tackles he's ever
had in the years forty six, Right, some of the

(22:05):
greatest defensive ends. They're looking at sixty seventy tackles. Cam
Jordan has a couple of years with sixty to fifty,
So you're looking at a guy who's truly one dimension.
Michael Parsons has a year with eighty four tackles, sixty
five tackles, sixty four and his lowest last three was
last year was forty three.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
He's a better run defended than your giving me.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
I said it, I said it earlier, like he is
Trey Henderson, but on a much higher level. Like if
we're talking about Trey Henderson being you know, it's that
good verse great argument to me. Trey Henderson is a
very good player. Michael Parsons is a great player. But
is he you know, number one player in the league.
You pay him fifty million dollars? Good, that's the debate,

(22:47):
right Like, I'm not trying to say you would take
Trey Henderson and Parsons and they're one to one. No,
I would take Parsons every time. But there's also a
price tag attached to each one of those players, and
that's the key for me. I'm just seeing it from
the one. It's like, right now, if you believed one
that Cameron Jordan is Cameron Jordan, do you ask him
to take a pay cut? No, you need him to

(23:08):
take a pay cut because you know that he is
not what he was. And that's what people are debating.
Can the guy coming off injury hitting, I mean he's
not old, but can the guy coming off injury maintain
his level of play and is it worth paying fifty
million dollar fifty million a year? And as someone who
is very vocal to not liking the Cowboys or Jerry Jones,
this is one time where I went I would have

(23:28):
made the same decision, mainly because again he managed to
get something, whereas my gum just is like, nah, we're good,
you're cut. What's gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (23:39):
You you went to the super Bowl. Great, fantastic.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
Somebody, somebody should have told him about those gold jerseys
and how that gold doesn't match.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Yeah, I I it's such a hard color to gold with.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
It's the khaki gold. Baby, we're putting our khakis and
going to work.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
It's such a gold is so hard to get right,
even it's too mustard looking or it ends up being
too khaki looking. Listen, Cam Jordan fought very hard for
those gold jerseys for years.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, I offer them to end up looking like the
NFL geek squad, Like come on, come on, come on,
Like it ain't his fault. It's not like he designed
the color. It's Nike. But still like, ugh, like you
had the gold already, you used it one time where
you faced Dante Colepepper and the Minnesota Vikings back in

(24:37):
like two thousand and two. That shimmery glossy gold was
actual gold. You already had the uniform, just getting Nike
to make it, but no, we had to go with
this khaki. It's how I know we're getting old. Man.
We're debating this because I've seen all the young bloods
and all the little hot heads run around who insult
you if you don't like Spencer Ratler or whatever, or
even Tyler Shuck. They just get mad real quick and

(24:57):
reminds me of how I was on Saints Report nool
dot com and read it when I was like twenty
five years old, just running in my mouth. They love it,
they do. His uniform is great. I look at this.
I'm like, man, this looks terrible. Look at all these
old people wearing khakis likes. It's like we're at a
church function right now. I just I don't feel it.
And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they look great on the field,

(25:17):
but all we've seen is like the preview videos and
the hype pictures and I'm just sitting here like, nah,
it's not doing it for me. Dog, So would you
rate it? Rate it? This is in my opinion, the
worst uniform they've worn in my lifetime, and they haven't
worn it yet one at ten scale two three. I mean,

(25:39):
it's bad. That's that's hard. I don't like it. And
keep in mind that I'm also was never really sold
on this version of the black helmet right with the
Florida les down the center, and like, I get it
that this probably makes the black helmet look better than
the black helmet looked when Sean Payton was here and
he brought it in, But hmmm, like it's the uniform

(26:02):
is so bad. It's making me want more black in
the uniform. Like just go over the black on black
with the gold lettering, you know, the classic. I mean,
I feel like the Saints Deerie Sean Payton's era when
Color Rush first came out, had the best uniforms in
the league. They're black on black was elite. They're white
on white Color Rush was elite. I am looking forward
to this year's Color Rush, So it's not like I'm
just trying to dump on all the uniforms, right because

(26:24):
we got a new helmet coming in this year as well,
that's not just a black helmet. But I just don't
like this gold khaki. I hate it. It doesn't live
up to the original. And uh, maybe I'll change my
mind Sunday because I actually need to see them play
in it. Maybe I'm just being too much of an
old man yelling at the clouds. But when I see
it in every picture, I just go, Nah, this ain't it.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
I give it a five.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Five solid see a five I would buy I wouldn't
buy this jersey. So that's where I can't give it.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
And buy this jersey. But I don't. I don't really
buy a jersey. I haven't bought a single jersey myself.
Every jersey I own has been bought for me.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
That's kind of how I do my judgment. Like if
it's not something I'm willing to buy, then it has
to be like a one or two or three rating.
Like if I don't want to actually own it and
spend money on it, then it's not gonna be rated
for me.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
You know enough.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, I should have worn it. I've got one of
those gold jerseys. I should have want it now y'all
seen me wear it on the podcast before. In that jersey,
I would have given like maybe a six. Like I'm
not saying it's perfect, but it was something that I
was obviously willing to own, so I paid for it,
and I just wouldn't do it with this one. Like,

(27:44):
So we'll see how the NFL geek squad looks this Sunday.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Glass half empty, half full. There's an opportunity to go
one in zero.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, I'm more excited about that.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
If this Jersey gets a win loss record in the positive,
I'll take back everything I'm saying right now. If that's
the voodoo we need to cast, let's go Khaki Brothers.
I'm ready, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
So it should be a fun.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Well, it'll be nice to see some of the guys
move around in them. Shout shout out to Cam Jordans
for pushing that through.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, sure, gold you wanted, but it's the gold you got.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
I definitely appreciate him working on getting better uniforms because
we did have that weird stagnation of uniform for a
while and then we've gotten a lot more variety and
I've liked it, so not gonna fault him for that.
It's kind of like Cam though he changes his hair
every year, and this year I don't know if y'all
seen his his official photo but he went all out
this time around. Man Man gets wilder every year. But

(28:42):
that's an episode we need to have in the off season.
And I don't know why Saints podcasts haven't done it.
There needs to be a segment done somebody Ross Jackson,
Nick Underhill, Wolf and Ryan or Ryan and Adam. I
don't care who does it year by year. Cameron Jordan
profile pictures, official photos rate them. I think his afro

(29:04):
with like the can you even say fu Manchu? Who
even knows? In twenty twenty five, but you know that
mustache handlebar thing he had going on with the big fro,
I think that's his top. That was my favorite. That
was my favorite.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
But he's done some He's had some swashbuckling looks.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
He is well.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Look, next podcast, we're going to do a preview of
the Arizona Cardinals. A little bit of preview to the preview.
I'm be really hyped about this receiver set. Obviously, I'm
not sold in quarterback, whether it would be Shuck or Rattler,
but there's something to be said for this team putting
together a very fast, very agile receiver corps, especially if
it can actually build some momentum and work together. There's

(29:43):
not a secondary in the league that can keep up
with them speed wise. We'll see how that ends up
working out, though, but we'll have that preview. I'm excited
about it.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
That should definitely open up things underneath.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Random thought, This does seem like a team that's preparing
for life without one of its top two receivers next year.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Just a random thought.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Random thought. Yeah, somebody not getting that extension possibly, So yeah,
we'll see who that. God bless hope you enjoyed the show.
Let us know what your favorite segment was. Let us
know how much you can't stand our opinions, because the
good news is we got more of them coming. So
whether you're a lover or a hater, you're all welcome here.

(30:23):
I can't wait for the young bluds to find this
and just start trashing me over my Khaki tape. But
you know what, it's the Internet, baby, I'm not new here.
I'm used to it. Bring it. Let's go see you
on the next one.