Shough It! 2TDs by QB lead Saints in win 24-20 to take down Tampa Bay

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Who'd I tell you welcome into the podcast and who
that professional podcast here? I do want to podcast real
quick for any sound issues we might have had, and
also want to say I'm sorry for not being around
for a couple weeks. My stream pc what I used
to actually make all this diet and I had to
go buy a new one that was fun. As you
can imagine, I am being facetious, So I did miss
a couple weeks. Big apologies for that. We're back now,

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and what a time to get back for one of
the grittiest games. And look, this is going to maybe
sound hyperbolic or silly or going a little outrageous, but
I really do believe this. I think these are one
of the grittiest games we've seen the Saints play in
two decades. And what I mean gritty, And when I
mean gritty, I mean how hard they worked, how they persevered.

(01:08):
Just and yeah, thank you. I do realize I have
the wrong title of thank you. I just fixed it.
This is one of the grittiest games I've seen the
Saints do, even when Sewton Payton was here. I mean
just it's one of those gross games. Personally, as a
fan of football, I loved it like I love games
that are heavy elements, you know, And I know that

(01:29):
might sound a little silly coming from a guy who
is not only followed, but worked with and covered a
Dome team, but I love gritty games like just like.
One of my favorite New Orleans Saints games of all
time is actually going back several years when Mark Rum
and Alva Kamara go off against the Buffalo Bills in
Buffalo Gritty run focused old school style of game, running

(01:51):
twenty four times in a row. This was that style
of game. It's one of my favorite gritty games. You
have the Saints run for thirty two times one hundred
and thirty nine yards. Not terrible impressed and just like
steering at a statuet though that's certainly good, it's This
was a game where rain was a factor through seventy
five percent of it. It was drops on both sides.
I mean, Baker Mayfield throws for forty six point four

(02:13):
percent completion, which makes a little bit more impressive the
fact that Tyler Schuck manages to throw sixty five percent
in the rain for over seven yards a clip. Right,
Rain a heavy factor, especially in the first half. Still
there in the second half and if you watched on
the broadcast, sometimes that could be tough to tell until
they get those real zoomed in moments you can see

(02:33):
the rain falling down. It's definitely a gritty game where
you had to come up and have great defensive plays,
great defensive plays. You saw the Saints takeover on downs
I think four times this game. It was quite a bit.
So let's actually start from the beginning, like we tend
to do. We'll go through and we'll cover all the stuff.
In fact, I'm actually seeing it now. If you count

(02:53):
the last drive of Tampa Bay, it was actually five
turnovers on downs, which is just absolutely while who that
to you? Appreciate y'all, God, bless y'all being here, and look, heck,
get that stupid draft pick. I'll take beating a division rival.
I wish you would have been in Atlanta, Falcaus, but
I'll take beating a division rival. Cheechi Heed returning a
touchdown today for the Seattle Seahawks against Atlanta, I'll take

(03:15):
that as a Saints adjacent win. But let's talk about
what we've seen so far. And I'm also going to
give a what I believe is an objective view of
how I feel Tyler Shuck is now and when I
say I believe a subjective because I'm not necessarily rooting
for Rattler or Shuck. I'm rooting for whoever can succeed
releading the Saints. I'm gonna tell you what I think

(03:35):
after we've seen a little bit of shuck through here,
but we're gonna save that towards the second half of
the show where we talk about what we saw starting off.
So again, welcome to all those here, appreciate you. So
we start off with a touchdown drive, and let me
go ahead and tell you, if you're a Saints fan,
if that doesn't make you happy, I don't care who's
a quarterback, who's the coach. This team the past four

(03:55):
or five years has really struggled to do that in
terms of converting early in the game, getting points, in
building a lead. This team has spent the majority of
the past three years playing from behind. Defensively, that matters. Offensively,
that matters. Today. You start off touchdown first drive. Now
you only had to go forty five yards, right, I
get it right, you didn't have to do as much. Look,

(04:19):
all that matters is did you score like we've talked
about it all year long. You need this offense to
be able to start scoring more than twenty points, right,
That has been a big key. You need the offense
to start scoring, you know, actually getting to the twenty
point mark. Well, this is part of it. And this
was the defense carrying them and returning touchdowns. This was
the offense starting off strong. You take what you can
get early on, You accept what you get. You love

(04:41):
the grit, all right. Next up, though, you had a punt,
then you had a miss field goal, and then an interception.
So number one, I want to be very clear. I
don't want to dismiss the interception. I will tell you this.
In terms of read, you had to cover three read
you had two deep gos on the outside. In terms
of safety positioning, I have no issue with throw. For
the interception, clearly a miscommunication because the receiver stops chucks

(05:05):
expecting a go on the outside, you throw up a
hell mary ball that ends up being an easy pick.
That is what it is. The missfield goal previously bothers
me a lot more. It bothers me a heck of
a lot more. The fact that New Orleans has still
not found an answer to its problems. It gonna be
very clear, like I understand that there are not a
lot of options out there. The best free agent kicker

(05:26):
available is probably Justin Tucker, and there's a very good
reason why people aren't wanting to sign him. To be
very clear, I'm not advocating that we should just look
over everybody's past and all the problems that exist with
an individual and be like, yeah, they can win as
football games. I'm not making that argument, but I am saying, like,
I know, I just gave credit to the weather, but
missing field goals has been a consistent theme, and I

(05:47):
probably should just again, it's a rough game. The field
conditions were obviously very rough. Kicking through the rains not easy,
but that was rough for New Orleans because you did
not get any more points until you get all the
way five drives. You would punt, miss field goal, interception, punt, turnover,
on downs, and then finally you're back in the game
of a touchdown where you have a great three drive

(06:08):
stint here, touchdown, field goal, touchdown, both of those built
upon Tyler Shuck running the football and making something happen,
with one of them being a broken play. Because let's
just be honest while watching this game, the offensive line
once again to not have a great game. That doesn't
mean they had a terrible game, But Dylan Radden's is
obviously a journeyman type of an offensive linean. He's good

(06:28):
enough to start in a pinch, but he's going to
have problems. Caesar Ruiz clearly has not developed into what
players want him to be. You're missing your starting center.
You probably are looking for a new starting center. You
got a rookie offensive lineman. You've got a guy whose
first year in a new spot. Offensive line is absolutely
not a strength for New Orleans right now. And that
was the case when Spencer Ratler was here. That's the
case with Tyler Shuck here. So you do have those issues,

(06:51):
but the fact that you have a player who is
making plays with that. In fact, one of the things
that I talked about Spencer Ratler doing so well the
past few years and coming out of college is Spencer
Ratler dominates in the scramble drill. That's where he was
the best. Now, something that Chuck had you get better
at pocket awareness, pocket poise, and making those plays after
everything breaks down. Well, he certainly showed that today and

(07:12):
you saw that in the touchdown runs because if you
just looked at him based off his passing statue, go man,
he probably had a rough day, had an interception, no
touchdowns thrown. Yeah, you like the complete a percentage, you
don't have a lot of yards less than one fifty.
But this was a very rain soaked, greedy, tough game.
It's the seven carriers for fifty five yards and two
tds that really matter there. It's the thirty four yard
TD after what seem like you know, this officer just

(07:35):
couldn't find it. And to be very clear, after we've
gone over the possessions and for those who are here,
I appreciate y'all so much for dropping the comments. To
be clear, I also don't want to like pretend this
is my favorite game ever, because I'm still still a
little upset with more. For example, that third down, in
my opinion, was worth challenging for a first down. And

(07:56):
again I still have an issue with how Kella Moore
can feel so passive at times. But again goes back
to what I said, the players showing a lot of
grit Tyler schuck on these plays, particularly the breakdown run
that results in a touchdown. That's that grit you look
for from your team. You need somebody to step up
and say, hey, I want to win this football game,
and you had multiple people doing that on offense and defense.

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I just want to make sure we shout them out.
Also want to shout out to vale who, as we
have seen the team move on from Brandon Cooks Rashishahid,
that by extension opened up more opportunities for Vale. We
in the chat and we in the community, we and
who that nature could have argued that Vaileas should have
been getting these snaps weeks ago. In fact we have.
We did that. Yeah, we've argued that we should be

(08:39):
doing that weeks ago, but it is finally happening. Lead
your team today. And also think Chris Olave came in
towards the end. Again, you're not going to see a
lot of big receiving stats in this game because of
it being such a rain soaked game, but it's the
big catches and that's something that again we've not seen
a lot of this year. This is why I like
calling this a gritty game. It's in those tough moments

(09:00):
guys came up with big plays that needed to happen.
Vele did it Chris A. Lave had some great plays
where his routes were cooked. You were just not able
to give him the ball. But then you get to
that scramble drill which we just referenced, Tylersuck's able to
find him as Kristal Lave works back to the quarterback.
Those type of plays are what this team needs to have.
When you have those things break down and they just

(09:21):
haven't had it most of the year. You had it
today to beat your division leader. Some of you might
be upset in New Orleans is three and ten right now,
but let me just go ahead and tell you I'll
take these type of wins. I know everybody wants draft picks,
but remember Rev's team never tanks, so we're gonna celebrate
it defensively. I do think there's some shoutouts that need
to be given. Right because you don't see anything on
the sack sheet, you might go, man, not a great game.

(09:41):
I thought Kouli McKinstry played a really good game today,
had a nice PD, played really sticky coverage, and I
know he's had an up and down year. You look
at Carl Granerson, who has been quiet for a while
because you've seen Chase Young emerge. You saw Cameron Jordan
have another multi set game. But let me tell you,
Cameron Jordan, no shade to you. Carl Grantis was the
best on that side of the ball today and by

(10:03):
a lot, you know, lots of play two tackles for losses,
multiple players in the background, big PD that could have
been something more. Defense really felt like they had a
little extra in here. Maybe it's because it's a divisional game,
right Those are the type of games that, regardless of record,
you're going to play tough. And that's what you saw today, right,
So you don't have anything on the sack sheet, But
that could be a little bit misleading. It's while we

(10:24):
talk about you can't box score scout because if you
watch that front seven, the front seven had probably one
of their best games of the year. And that's with
the running game of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers having a
good day, right Irving had a good day, White had
a good day. Right now. They ran the ball almost
forty times, but it was mostly Baker Mayfield scrambles that

(10:44):
ended up hurting them the most, which is the same
thing that happened on the opposite side of the field.
Both of these teams end up relying a lot on
the run game. A lot of the footing wasn't there
because of the rain y'all saw if you watched the
game or you were at the game, the middle of
the field just turned brown from just being torn up.
It became a mudfest us and the worst mudfest we've seen.
But clearly we started to see some footing issues. But

(11:06):
the big key for me is the grit. You saw
them quarter one, quarter two and just moving the ball,
finding ways to score, especially after you got that first drive.
You went up seven to zero and then you started
to fall behind, which is what they've done through all year.
You came into quarter three, though you made two big plays.
Love the designed run. That was them returning to a
play that had worked in the first drive that returned

(11:26):
to It ends up being a thirty four yard touchdown
for Tyler Shuck. Very reminiscent of you know Prime and
you know younger Taysom Hill. No shade at you, buddy,
but Taysom, I won't be mad at you if you
move on this year. I'm not trying to be mean
to you. I'm saying, Taysom, there's just things that happened.
I said the same thing with Marcus Colster reached the end.
You know, I know again, gritty game, weather game, but

(11:47):
the drops, the inability to really move that extra yard
that Taysom was known for, Taysombody, I think it's it.
Just like with Marcus Colstons towards the end of his career,
he was known for his hands. His hands were gone, Taysombody,
Tyler Shuck's taking your spot like Tyler Shuck is on
these runs. I love you, man, I really do. I
appreciate everything he dode for New Orleans, who are, in
my opinion, one of the best New Orleans players ever.

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But Tyler Shuck deserves to get these runs, is the
point I'm making, and you see it here with those
type of design plays that turn into thirty four yard touchdowns,
those are the design plays that used to be Taysom
Hill thirty four yard touchdowns. Tyler Shuck is, I think,
at this point clearly better in that role and wherever
the quarterback of the future for New Orleans ends up being.
I hope the NFL as a whole continues to explore

(12:32):
more stuff like this, because the NFL goes through phases
and changes. Tyler Shuck's ability to make those type of
plays should be valued, whether he's a full time starting
quarterback or not. I think the Taysom Hill thing maybe
is a little bit early for the league. I'm not
saying he didn't do great when he was here, but
the X factor that guy who's a big quarterback who
can do it all. Take advantage of that. Let the

(12:53):
league adapt and embrace it. So, no matter what I think,
if you've got a quarterback who can make these type
of thirty four yard TV runs and thirteen yard TD runs,
you want to start actually utilizing that a lot more
than they have been talking about. Kellemore running every play
from shotgun more than any other team in the NFL.
So you have that TD, then you have a field goal.
There are a couple of opportunities at the very end

(13:15):
where both teams could have moved the ball and found
a way they didn't. It ends up being a again
turnover on downs, five turnover on downs for the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. All right, we've gone through the quarters. I
want to get to the comments. A lot of you
making raheem good seasons, a great win, good grip, but
I need Ruiz off this team in the offseason. My
only comment that I'll make to that. It's the same

(13:36):
comment I make for any player. I said this about
Andris Pete, who I believe and Pete was a better
player than Caesaruise. It's never replace somebody until you actually
have somebody to replace them with. Like, don't just dump Ruiz.
Remember the New Orleans Saints have put a lot of
money into Ruiz. Now, that isn't an argument I'm trying
to make to you as a Saints fan that Ruiz
should be starting just because he has a contract. But

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I am saying, like, right now, you don't cut season.
And I know that's hard for Saints fans to hear,
but there's literally nobody but going backwards. I know pun intended.
It's ces r Owiz here, I'll give it to you.
There you go, But until you have something, don't do
it yet. Now. At the same time, I agree with
which I think you're trying to say. New Orleans needs

(14:18):
to be drafting and signing, not and or drafting and
signing offensive line this offseason, and you would like to
replace es R. Ruiz one hundred percent. I do want
to point out that just because a guy is bad
doesn't mean you cut him, because, believe it or not,
it can be worse. I know some of you are
about to question me on that. Let me give you
an example that it can be worse. With Cesar Ruiz

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existing and playing very poorly. This year, Tyler Shuck has
been pressured on twenty three point five percent of his snaps. Now,
obviously pressure rate goes across the entire offensive line. That
also does not include today, because the game just ended,
I would assume it stays around that twenty four percent. Now,
for context, let's talk about what that's been in the past.
Last year Derek Carr twenty four point one percent not good.

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Anything over twenty percent not good. Point is technically better
than last year with new faces and a more rotational
offensive line. Go back twenty twenty two, when Jameis Winston
had to start those three games, he was at twenty
four percent. That was the year Andy Dalton was the starter.
He was at fifteen percent. So, like you do, wanted
to get down my point to the comment, and number one,

(15:29):
I appreciate supporting who that professional here. Make sure you
start finding pieces to replace with first before you just
go dumping. Though I absolutely get where you're coming from.
I just like to remind players that if there is
a positional group in the NFL that lacks depth across
the entire NFL, it's offensive line. That is the weakest
positional group right now in the NFL. Anywhere ask any

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o line, d line guru, whatever, A lot of y'all
say quarterback. No, quarterback is simply the position that has
the highest stake in winning you games. But quarterback is
a deeper position than offensive line. I believe that. How
can I say that New Orleans has two guys and
Spencer Ratler and Tyler Schuck, that are both above average

(16:10):
in terms of like their stats. And before anybody wants
to argue with me, because I don't care if you're
a Rattler or a Shuck fan, you go look. You
go look at completion percentages and TD to interception ratios.
Neither of them are at the bottom. I'm not saying
that they're at the top, but neither of them are
the worst quarterback in the league. Here's a better comparison.
Neither of them are a certain kicker who decide to
go to Indianapolis and talk trash who ranked thirty sixth

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among kickers and not sure if y'all are aware, there's
only thirty two kickers in the NFL. So like neither
of those players are that low on the list, is
what I'm saying. So offensive line just doesn't have that
depth right now, so you've got to work really hard
to find that. You don't just dump a guy who's
a starter caliber even if they're not playing well at all.
Truth be Told, I went way too long in that segment.

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I apologize, Truth be Told says with only one starter
and Ruiz, the line played okay, Chuck is getting more comfortable,
so is Coach Teeth. First off, shout out to shout
out for Coach Teeth, a shout out to the No
Music podcast over there with Ryan in the game. But yeah,
I still have a lot of issues with coach More.
To be very clear, I actually give a lot of

(17:16):
credit today's win to the players because I have a
lot of coaching issues with today's game, including not going
forward on the or you know, challenging it on that
third down. I almost inexcusable for me, but definitely take
the win right. Rahem Agains is also fuaga is on
one week, then on then off the next do you
think they should just send him the rest of the year.

(17:36):
Absolutely not Again, you cannot You cannot replace in game
NFL snaps, And I must stress first time playing right
tackle in the NFL, first year on a team that
does not have a good blocking tight end. Not trying
to be mean, Foster Rowe, you're not a great blocking
tight end. You're solid, I guess Juwan Johnson certainly not

(17:58):
Taysom Hill Shorty not why I bring that up, because
that means you don't have a reliable chip help on
the outside for a guy who's new at the position.
And then to the left of him, we just had
a five seven minute segment about how terrible Caesar Ruiz is.
So again Fuaga, am I saying he doesn't have ups
and downs? Not at all. I think Fuega has absolutely

(18:18):
had ups and downs. At the same time, context is
so important when you're doing evaluation, and that doesn't matter
if it's a quarterback, offensive line of wide receiver, corner
doesn't matter. Context really doesn't matter. And the context of
Fuaga is rough same way that the context of Rattler's
starts last year were rough, right, and you had to
include that when you came to your conclusions. Same thing
for Fluega. A lot of stuff is going on. The

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man has played through injury, he's not got the most
reliable partners next to him, and I still think he's
done a solid job. Can you tell he like his
forty five and his vertical set drops are a little
bit slow and he's getting beat around the edge. Yeah
you can, And I'm not going to denye that's happening.
But am I worried about No? When I look at

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the New Orleans Saints who are three and ten, and
I look at the entire roster and I go fuaga
that one. That's a problem. No, he's He's very low
on my list of worries at the moment. But thank
you so much for dropping those comments. Aaron says Tyler
Shuck will be the Saints starting quarterback next year. He's
demonstrating poison awareness in the pocket while making offscript plays.
I'll say this, Tyler Shuck. Listen, And I told you

(19:24):
we're going to get into this. Let's start. I think
Tyler Shuck through five games now and again, you want
a minimum of two hundred snaps before you build a
scouting report. That's what they taught us. In the scouting academy.
So that's kind of where I'm basing a lot of
this off of all. Right, So now that we have
Tyler Shuck, who has had his fifth start, who is

(19:46):
now two and three in terms of the Saints are
two and three, He's not two and three. The Saints
are two and three in that time, I think you
can see why a lot of people were high on
his potential, whether that have been John Gruden or or
your favorite analysts who might have liked him. There's a
lot of people over in the analyst space who are

(20:06):
really big on Tyler Shuck, even with his age. And
I told people, y'all might care about his ages, and
there are a lot of fans who care about how
old he is. But people who evaluate really don't care
how old Tyler Shuck is. They really don't. Quincy Avery,
you know, well known name in the space right now,
doesn't give a heck about it, and talked about being
one of the better players in terms about the position

(20:27):
in this past draft. Some people will care about the age,
some people will not. Will say this though, the pauses
we talked about Tyler Shuck having are on display. He
does throw a better ball than Spencer Rattler in terms
of ball placement. Very rarely is he behind a receiver
and that matters. You've seen that in his five starts,
where there's a lot more yards after catch opportunities a lot.

(20:48):
If you go look at the advanced analytics of our
wide receivers, a lot of the yards after catch have
started to happen more recently. Right, you look at the
average in terms of like how many yards does they
receiver get per reception? Those numbers are starting to go
up over the past five weeks compared to what they
were earlier in this season. So the elements that you

(21:08):
did see him have as a positive are showcasing themselves.
And then on top of that, he is getting better
at things that he wasn't as good at compared to
Spencer Ratler. One thing I said Spencer Ratler was significantly
better than him at was the scrambled drill. Right. That
was something that I gave Tyler Shuck a lot of
kind of a grief for. Because when you get to
the NFL, things move a lot faster. You need to

(21:30):
be able to operate when scenarios break down, and is
it hard to imagine scenarios break down. When you have
this offensive line, when you have the wide receiver room
that's been you know, very up and down with their performance.
It's not hard to imagine that at all. So all
those things said, you might go, Okay, context is important,
so you've seen him improve that. How can we know

(21:51):
he's improved. We'll just look at today's game, right, two
rushing touchdowns with one of those coming and a completely
off scripted play that had to happen. Right. You know,
New Orleans has to maintain that drive if you give
it back. Momentum is a thing in the NFL. You
give that ball back, It's quite possible that Baker Mayfield
and his team, which I still think are probably gonna
have success in the playoffs. It's very possible that you're

(22:12):
going to see I really do think the Saints could
have lost this game multiple times, and I don't think
it's controversial to say it. I'm not trying to take
away from the win. I think they could have lost
this game multiple times. But the importance was the grit
and the determination to make things happen, and that's what
you saw in those type of plays. When you have
a guy who breaks away from three sacks and runs

(22:34):
it in. That's the type of grit that you need
to see from a guy, and that is the definition
of the scramble drill, whether it's connecting on a deep ball,
whether it's connecting on an intermediate route, a comeback route
like we saw him do with Chris alave here in
the second half to extend drives. You need to see that,
and that's something that he's improved on. I still might
argue Spencer Ratler is better at it as a whole,
But if you're evaluating both of them, which was the

(22:55):
whole goal of having both of them start, right, I mean,
you needed Tyler Schuck to start at point if you
felt that Rattler had shown you enough and wasn't maybe
increasing or improving the way you wanted him to. So
that was why you give Shuck snaps. I disagreed of
when that should have started. But at the same time,
we're in now and you're going to have at the
end of the season basically equal scouting reports in terms

(23:17):
of games, snaps and opportunities to compare these two and see, Okay,
what is that idea moving forward? And to the point
of the comment, or it is possible that Tyler Shuck
can be that guy now as we're in this Tyler
Shuck sugman, I do want to say, as impressive as
today's game was, is it enough for me to say
I'm not willing to look at quarterback in the offseason.
Absolutely not. And I say that as someone who said

(23:40):
I said in the preseason that Tyler Shuck this is
probably his job to lose. As in between Rattler and Schuck,
I've always felt that Shuck was the preferred option if
he was ready. At the same time, what you've seen
from Tyler Shuck, while great that we've won the game,

(24:01):
definitely not enough to say I'm building a franchise around him.
And I say that after giving him a lot of
flowers and a lot of praise today, especially over the
past five starts, right, I do think that you've seen
enough good to absolutely want to continue to move in
that direction. I mean, hell, you've already won two games
in the past five, you won one in the first eight.
You know changes matter, right, and you've changed a lot.

(24:23):
At the same time, let's not pretend he's perfect. Right,
three percent of his passes right now are going for interceptions.
Three percent of his passes right now are going for touchdowns.
And while absolutely with you that running touchdowns should matter,
because they do. You know, he has equal TDS equali
in t's. He has a completion percentage while solid and
actually really good for rookie quarterbacks this year. Not at

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the top end of the game. He's taking a lot
of sex because he is still working to get better
at poisoned the pocket, better at manipulating the pocket, better
at getting the ball out quick when he needs to,
and better at seeing the field. You know, certainly not
ready to crown him the future, is what I'm saying,
But I do like that we are seeing consistent improvement
from it. As Don says in the chat, I think

(25:05):
Shuck is gaining confidence. He doesn't make that run two
weeks ago. I think that's completely plausible. You know, it's
always tough to say would it could have should his
you know, to quote the famous new Orndal Saints coach,
we can easily say, oh, yeah, he would have done
two weeks ago. We don't really know, but it's fair
to make that conjecture, right. You know, you do see
him playing a little bit more confident. And again, while

(25:27):
I just talked about context is key. Another aspect is true,
like when you get two three years down the road,
are you going to remember the fact that the interception
he threw today was just a duck because the receiver
stopped running. No, you're not going to remember that. You're
just gonna be like, Okay, he threw equal tds to I.
INT's something you have to work on. And for somebody
who's looking for an example of around the league where

(25:48):
you needed that to happen, look at Drake May Look
at you know, goh, gosh, I'm gonna get a lot
of hate for this for bringing up a guy who's
MVP level. Look at Josh Allen. Josh Allen starting his career,
you could see the potential, like you could see the
raw traits that would make you believe he could be successful.
But the first two years of Josh Allen were pretty

(26:09):
much the same thing. Very he still is a little
bit turn of a problem, but obviously he could make
movement in the pocket, he could build those plays, and
it wasn't until year three that you saw him take over. Now,
for anybody to comes in and says it before I do,
let me go ahead and say it. Josh Allen was
twenty two is a rookie. That's four years. But as
I said, you know, Tyler Shuck being twenty six means
he's got two full contracts of health as a quarterback,

(26:31):
you know, knock on wood, all things being good, so
we'll see. Definitely not willing to bank on him. And
I would say this, if New Orleans maintains a top
five draft pick, they one hundred percent should consider quarterback.
We'll talk about that more in the off season, and
I'm more than happy to have those discussions and debates
with other Saints fans about it. I think even what

(26:52):
you've seen from an amazing, gritty game from Tyler Shuck today,
you still go into the offseason equally willing to look
at free agents and draft at quarterback. That's okay, though
you can still say he had a great game. We
still got a long season left, right, We still have
several games left. But I do think he had a

(27:13):
great game. And it's one of those games that I
love because stats don't tell this game story at all.
It was a weather game, it was a gritty divisional game.
It's one of the ones where you want to get
those nineteen seventy NFL film soundtracks on and batter it
on and have the highlights play through. It was that
type of game. I love it. It's old school, freacking
love it. Same time, I'm not putting all my eggs

(27:34):
in the Shuck basket quite yet, but very excited after
seeing you know, just visual improvements, you know, just how
he's actually processing the field is definitely getting better. Would
love to see that continue getting in next week. Platypus says,
gutsy play gets everyone else buying in and wanting you
to hit on those gutsy plays. It'd be a good
thing if we're worried about that second contract one hundred percent. Right,

(27:58):
As dis Dahn says, the interception doesn't bob I mean,
it's you know, it's there's this context several interceptions that
Spencer Rattler threw over the past two years that didn't
really bother me. Several that did. In fact, It's funny,
you know, because we can talk about interceptions, but some
of the worst passes quarterbacks throw never get picked off.
But there's still terrible passes. Right, there's still some bad
decisions that happened, and Shuck had a couple of bad

(28:18):
decisions today, right, You know, there are a couple of
plays where you're like, yeah, I don't know if you
should have made that one son, that you're gritting a
little bit too much. But at the same time, you know,
let's use Baker Mayfield as an example. Right Baker Mayfield's
and is what eighth year in the league, right now,
Baker Mayfield has bounced around multiple teams. One thing Baker
Mayfield has always had is grit. In a lot of ways,

(28:39):
Baker Mayfield reminds me for you older football fans, because
I just know at thirty six now I'm no longer
a younger football fan, but in a lot of ways,
obviously not the bouncing around team's way, but the grit way,
that how you play way, Baker Mayfield reminds me of
Brett farv And to be clear, Baker Mayfield's like TD.
The interception percentage is definitely better than Brett Farv. All

(29:00):
that I'm not saying he's a turnover perme blah blah
blah blah. What I am saying, though, is Baker Mayfield
is willing to force some things to happen because of
that grit, Because he's very passionate. He wants to make
a play and sometimes that can lead to mistakes. Brett
Favre was very much the same way. He made an
entire career in the nineties over being that guy. Statistically,
Brett Farv was never the best, but there was that

(29:23):
trait you had about Brett Farv that people like John
Madden would always run with. Again, for all of our newer,
younger football fans, I'm shouting out a lot of old
school names where he had that it factor or people
would say, oh, he's a winner. Right. It's a big
reason why still today people get so enamored with, you know,
quarterback win slash loss is because it is a position

(29:44):
that you know, how you play it and in the
way that you approach it can absolutely influence the entire
game and arguably only one position can do it, and
it is quarterback. So even though I strongly disagree with
the win in law being a quarterback stat I understand
the logic of why it gets brought up. So all

(30:05):
that to say about Shuck, you saw that same level
of grit today, right, And you know the common tag
thrown around as us see people throw it in chat
is gunslingers, right, And just to be clear, Drew Brees
was a gunslinger, most accurate gun slinger of all time.
But Drew Brees made a lot of stupid what we
would classify as if you put it on a whiteboard

(30:27):
and you were drawing the play up or you're watching
it on film, you say, that's dumb. We don't do that. Example.
Drew Brees, in my opinion, is the top five quarterback
in NFL history. I watched Drew Brees throwing a triple
coverage thirty yards downfield on the left hash to a fullback.
But when you're good enough to do that, as in

(30:48):
a game like today, when you score two touchdowns, when
you lead your team to victory, that's okay, that's fine. Fine,
throw me that random thirty five yard pass on the
left side line to a full back in triple coverage.
You know what, fine, Drew, you do that. As long
as you keep winning NFC championship games, super bowls, playoff games,
breaking NFL records, you know what, you keep doing that.

(31:10):
But the key is you gotta be successful. That's the
big key. Right. So if Tyler Shuck, if what you
saw today is you know, just a glimpse into what
the future could be, it could be a lot of fun.
But I do want to add that I do believe
there's a lot of growth that needs to happen, just
like Spencer Ratler last year, right, if you really do
want him to be a franchise quarterback, it's just the

(31:31):
brutal truth. He ain't there yet. But man, today was
really fun to watch, really fun to watch, and just
to really drive my point home, because Spencer Ratler is
not a gun slinger. Spencer Ratler's far closer to being
a manager style than a gun slinger. And look, to
be clear, there's nothing wrong with either one. Spencer Ratler

(31:52):
this year, if there's one thing, he was way better
at turnovers. He was much better at protecting the ball.
At the same time, who's better getting a first down?
I think Tyler shut Who's going to try to make
it happen. Schuck's going to look In fact, that interception
is a great example. Spencer Rattler is the type of
quarterback who will wait that last half second to make

(32:16):
sure the read is open before he makes the throw.
Tyler Shunk is the guy who reads the pre snap
and as soon as the ball is hiked and he
sees the coverage is the same throw the ball to
a spot. U. Oh, we'll see what happens. Yellow. Spencer
Rattler's not that kind of a player. There are pros
and cons to both siles. Spencer Rattler's going to turn
the ball over less. Generally speaking, you would expect him

(32:37):
to turn the ball over less. And yes, in fact,
I really argue that's something. Spencer Ratler really improved him
this year, and I believe you should get credit for it.
But you also don't give me first downs. You also
might not get as much success in terms of scoring
unless somebody else picks up with that grit. And you

(32:58):
saw that grit today, Chuck. It was really nice to see.
Ras Soon says. Do y'all think Mendoza can run more offense,
more's offense better than Tyler Shuck. I think that's a
very very unknown. But I will say and repeat what
I said earlier. I have no issue if New Orleans
drafts a quarterback in the top ten, put that quarterback
right there next to Tyler Shuck and let them fight

(33:19):
it out, and everybody's gonna be like, well man, then
you have to start the first rounder. I hate that logic.
You let them duke it out. You drafted Aaron Rodgers
while you still have Brett Favre. Right, you drafted Patrick
Mahomes w and Alex Smith was still a pro Bowl
level quarterback. Right, You duke it out, You let it
see what happens. And if the first round is not
good enough, good second rounder was good enough last year,

(33:41):
let me be this year. If he is better, well, hell,
if we're bragging about how good Tyler Shuck is right here,
how much more would be bragging if somebody's better than this?
So I don't think you've seen enough to be like, oh,
we're riding on Shuck. At the same time, Chuck definitely
deserves more snaps, the Rock says, But then that's a
ways to pick. I don't believe in a waste to pick.
I don't believe that exists. I really don't. Unless that

(34:03):
player actually performs terribly, that's not a waste to pick.
Let me give you an example of a wasted pick.
Drafting an offensive lineman in the third round that never
makes your roster. That was a waste to pick because
clearly you didn't scout them correctly. Unless something happened like
family or whatever, that's not a waste to pick. Right.
If somebody works hard and is better, that's not a

(34:26):
waste to pick. Somebody just decided they're better. Right, It's
here in another example. Again it's just my take. Look
at college football, and then look at the NFL. Most
people in the NFL were not five star prospects. Right.
Things change, Players get better. Some people just have it,
which you can't really quantify. Some people are just more

(34:48):
of a winner, some people have more passion. Whatever it
is that makes that player better, it's not a waste
to pick if it results in better, and how can
it result better? Let's just say you drafted men the
New Orleans Saints, but drafting Mendoza put a chip the
size of the Rocky Mountains on Tyler Shuck and he

(35:09):
just came out and became a three hundred and three
TV every freaking game player. Because you said, I don't
care how good you did. We got a new guy,
like if that's what drives him to be great. Right,
It was the same logic why I had no issue
drafting Tyler Shuck when you had Spencer Rattler. There are

(35:30):
plenty of people who said Spencer Ratler did good enough
last year. You could just roll with it. I didn't agree.
Same thing. Now, Shuck through five games. I think Shuck
has looked better through five games than Rattler looked through eight.
Neither of them have shown you that they're a franchise quarterback. Absolutely,
draft the next guy, and if that guy pushes Tyler
Shuck to be great, then that wasn't a wasted pick.

(35:52):
If Mendoza, just the example y'all brought up, ends up
being great, then it's not a waste to pick. It's
only a wasted pick if the player doesn't contribute to
your team in any way, that's a wasted pick. I
could argue Reggie Bush is a wasted pick. Why because
you spent a top five pick on a guy who
never really was heavily utilized in your offense, was never
the number one option, never had a thousand yard rushing

(36:14):
season as a running back. For Reggie Bush is absolutely
not a wasted pick. But people argue that if we're
just going off oh, top five, what you spent, what
you get in return? He helped make that team a
super Bowl team? Was that a wasted pick? Because if
we're going by stats, he was no Adrian Peterson. Ever,
going by influence, he certainly know Derrick Henry, but at

(36:35):
the same time, would you have taken Mario Williams instead?
If you could go back in history right now, knowing
the New Orleans Saints win a Super Bowl in two
thousand and nine, go the NFC Championship game in two
thousand and six, would you have taken Mario Williams over
Reggie Bush. I think the answer would be silly to
say yes, because you know the result. You know that
team is going to become a super Bowl champion, and

(36:58):
it works together as one new it So again, all
I care about is does Black and Gold get back
to winning football games, potentially making the playoffs and maybe
even God, please please please, one day again win a
Super Bowl. I don't care if the quarterback throws five
thousand yards to do that or if it's Trent Frickin' Dilfer.
I don't care if it's twenty five hundred yards or

(37:20):
five thousand. All I care is do the Black and
Gold win football games? Just like today? Do I care
that Tyler Schuck only through one hundred and forty four yards. No,
because I think context is important. He still threw over
seven yards in an attempt, which was something we gripped
about all season long. He ran for two tds, Like
I'm not gripping about it. He had about two hundred
yards total and even then, two hundred yards total offense

(37:42):
is half of what Drew Brees would put up. But
all that matters is as my friend Jameis Winston would,
do you ate a w That's all I care about.
Do you think Moore's offense is in sync with Stanley's defense?
I don't think anything in the coaching staff is in
sync right now. That's my opinion, and that's I think
the coaching staff is still something that is trying to

(38:03):
find their jail, and I think a lot of it
is more is still trying to figure out who he's
going to be as a head coach. So yeah, that's
what I think. I think the coaching staff is just
as much, if not worse, of a problem than the roster.
At the same time, I mean, we'll see where it

(38:25):
ends up being. I mean, I want to give Kellen
Moore an opportunity, but am I impressed with his three
and ten New Orleans Saints team. No. At the same time,
one of the biggest flaws I believe a lot of
NFL teams make is they never allow a head coach
enough time to develop what he wants and see what happens.
And the truth is, we as fans are impatient, right,

(38:48):
We're very impatient. You three and ten, You've already got
people calling for Kellen Moore's job because we want to
be winners now. We want to be back on the
win column now we went back in the playoffs now,
But that's just not how it works in professional sports.
I mean, and yeah, guys, we've already talked about the
rain a big reason one of the yards a low.

(39:08):
But as I say all the time, nobody is going
to remember that two years from now, all you're gonna
look at is refer back to this player. Yeah, context
is important, but at the same time, Drew Brees played
in weather games with through three hundred yards. It can happen.
My main point is Keller Moore's gotta be given time.
And sadly head coaches take time. You know, you might
go four years and it just it doesn't work out.

(39:31):
At the same time, it can take years for something
to pop off. Very few head coaches have ever just
been like great season one and just stayed great. And
the greatest head coaches ever were not like that. Like
Bill Yeah, Belichick was not a great head coach to
start in terms of win loss record. It took time.
It just did. That's just the truth of it, you know.

(39:54):
I mean, I think the only coach I can think
of right now in the past thirty years that has
had ten plus years in the league where he's just
dominant is Mike Tomlin. And he got gifted a team
that was already a super Bowl caliber team. And I'm
not taking that away that the Steelers are good now
because obviously for him to maintain the Steelers being good

(40:14):
now took effort. But the Steelers won the Super Bowl
in two thousand and eight with Tomlin. But the Stelers
won Super Bowl in two thousand and five with Cower,
like he had a super Bowl caliber team already, Like
there were players from two thousand and five still on
that two thousand and eight team. Now Mike Tomlin has
made it continue. And hell, we can talk about how
good Tomlin is ten fifteen years from now when he's

(40:36):
probably done. But my point is very very very rare.
That doesn't happen often. Sean Payton is the exception to
the rule, and even then, he did have play calling
duties first, and he failed at those play calling duties
and had play calling duties ripped from him, which I
personally still classify, like I still count that because it's

(40:59):
one thing to be a coordinator. But let's say you're
an offensive coordinator like Kubiak and you're under a Shanahan. Right.
Let mean, yeah, you're the OC, but we all know
at the end of the day, who's actually running things. Right,
So Peyton was the play caller for the two thousands
New York Giants. He had that ripped from him because

(41:20):
of poor performance. So even Peyton when he was given
the ability to be in charge failed at first. I'm
not saying he completely failed. He need to wash out,
but sometimes you got to give guys the opportunity, and
just Kellimore is going to need that opportunity. We'll see
what it turns into. I'm not saying he shsed to
have five or six years and just whatever happens happens,
but minimum two or three unless now, if next year

(41:42):
we're one and sixteen, sure fire him. I think you
can know, right, you could definitely know. But if you
see it trending upward, even if it's a slow trend.
You stay with the upward trend and just you see
how it ends up going. Right, That's what I believe. Right,
that's my take on the situation, and it's not a
fun take because again, I'm thirty six years old. You

(42:04):
know a long smith. The Saints won a Super Bowl
sixteen years I was twenty. I wasn't married, I didn't
have kids. Yeah, a lot's changed. That was four jobs ago. Bro.
I have way less hair on the top of my head.
I've got a little white patch on the side of
my head because I'm getting old. It's been a long time.

(42:25):
So it sucks to say I might have to wait
another three to four years for I maybe see a
Super Bowl caliber Saints team. But that's the nature of
the NFL. There are teams that have people who've been
fans for the past three decades who can't get out
the cellar looking at you, Jacksonville Jaguars, Cleveland Browns. Frick,
I mean, how deep do we really want to go
down this rabbit hole of all the teams that, no

(42:46):
matter what they do, New York Jets just can't find
a way to win anything. And it's been decades, like
maybe they get close New York Jets and just they
can never They're always second fiddle to the big brother
in New England, out to Sexy REXI, you know, and
you know Mark Sanchez, the New York Jets. They literally
became memes. But were they really that bad? Doesn't matter

(43:08):
then every we were able to finish it off, right,
it might be years before we see that again. Takes time,
takes time. Ms Dosson's I thought Keller Moore may have
coached his best game today. It's tough for me because
there are individual moments that I look at and I'm
very frustrated by the play and by the play calling

(43:28):
that is, and the choices. But you might be right.
I could just be having that initial reaction, that knee
jerk of like seeing some of those decisions and going, man,
I'm really unhappy with what he did. Maybe it was
the best game today. At the end of the day,
you did win, and that's kind of important when determining
your best games. So maybe you do have a point.
I'm just I'm still on the not convinced bandwagon of

(43:50):
Keller Moore, just like I'm not convinced about Tyler Shuck.
But at the same time, man, like, hell, you've won
two games of the past four, and besides the Atlanta game,
which was incredibly disappointing because it's coming out of bye week,
losing to Miami wasn't really that disappointing. It was a
close game. They absolutely could have been better. Duh, you lost,

(44:11):
but you've played very competitive football and you've won two
of your last four games. I mean, for a team
that is bad, let's not pretend like this is a
good team. For a team that is bad top to bottom,
we do not have a great roster, do not have
a proven coaching staff. Winning two of your last four
is pre dag I'm good contextually like that's that's actually
when you when you look at it like that, it's like, oh, okay,

(44:32):
it's actually not that bad. It's not that bad, not good,
a lot of improvements that to be made, not great,
but better. It's better than red red red red green red,
red red red. Those who are listening to the show,
I'm rattling off losses versus wins, and losses are in

(44:52):
red and winds are in green. So slowly but surely,
we'll see Matt says, just my take is this old line.
Situation is precarious, but nicely and I don't disagree. But
the only thing I add into context for that, Matt
is last year technically worse in terms of pressure percentages worse. No,

(45:12):
I'm not denying what you're saying. Again, I just said
this is a bad football team. But I'm just saying
it's not like, you know, everything is just the worst.
You know, it's it's slow moving forward. I said this
about a month ago on the show. Right. Part of
my frustration with Kellen Moore, Actually, I think I've said
it pretty clearly of the past two months. Part of

(45:34):
my frustration with Kellen Moore is that he is implementing
his system regardless of if players fit. Basically, what Kellen
Moore is doing, in my opinion, my formerly professional opinion,
is Kellen Moore is putting in his thing and seeing
who fits and whoever doesn't fit. We move on, Brandon Cooks,

(45:56):
move on, Trevor Penning move on, potentially Spencer Ratler, move on,
regardless of playing to the player's strengths. And for those
who were listening to who that confessional, because no, not
everybody catches every episode. I know that Spencer Ratler topic
is very controversial for many people in the fandom. I
will loudly say I do not believe Spencer Ratler had
a coach that was particularly playing to his strengths. That

(46:18):
is part of the reason that Spencer Ratler was benched.
Spencer Ratler also played really poorly at times that a
lot of people don't want to acknowledge. But in no
way do I believe Kella Moore was playing to his strengths.
Keller Moore has said, this is the system I want
to create. Who fits on this roster that I inherited
from Dennis Allen for the most part, because you don't

(46:38):
turn over a fifty three man roster in one year.
You just don't do that right. You can't create a
quality NFL team by just dumping everything that you got
handed by the previous administration. You just don't do that.
So he's seeing who fits, and that could be a
very frustrating process for us as we go. Why are
you using Spencer Ratler like that? Why are you using
Chris Olave like that? Why are you doing it knowing

(47:01):
what their strengths are because we've seen them in the past.
Kellen Moore is doing that right now and it might
end up working out fine, Chad. He might end the
season let's just say six and eleven, which is definitely
not good. But if that turns into a eight and
nine after that, and then an eleven and six after that,
it's fine. Two years from now, we could be talking

(47:24):
about all these conjectures we had as being silly. We
knew all along he was going to be great. We
just took patience. I don't know. I think there's plenty
of reasons to doubt right now, but you's got to
wait see how it goes. I think he's put his
system in. That doesn't mean I don't think he doesn't
want to win football games. I think he does. But
I think he says, we've got to find what's going

(47:45):
to work, so I know who to keep and I
know who to move on from and what holes that
need to be filled. And that's what he's doing. And
sometimes it gives you a twenty four to twenty gritty
win in the weather against the division rival. Sometimes it
means you lose at home in the Dome to the
division rival. But thank god, he at least didn't apologize
for anything that happened against the Atlanta Falcons. At least

(48:06):
it didn't do that. No coach would do that, right,
No coach would like come out and apologize for like
beating the division rival or anything. That'd be stupid. Who
would do that? Okay, let me get some final comments
to do. Appreciate y'all contributing. Thank you to all the
people who are here in the show today, hanging out,
spending some time and just talking Saints football. Because look,

(48:30):
it's been a rough year, but that doesn't mean it
can't be a fun year. I've had a great time
throughout the course of the season. It has been very rough,
had many ups and downs, but at the same time,
I'm enjoying football. Hopefully you're enjoying football, because the end
of the day, that's what should matter. We should be
enjoying and I enjoyed today. So for one day of
this year, if nothing else, I enjoyed today. I had

(48:52):
a good time. It's nice to see him win. So
Johnson's I think Breeze would have been good anywhere, but
I don't think he would have done what he did
with with eight and anywhere else. That's tough say because
we don't know, but those are the arguments we can make.
Those in the off season. Mister dom Daniel says a
quarterbacks any time to throw with improved protection the off
season and weapons, Shuck could be awesome, and so would Rattler.

(49:14):
Shaky o lion play is hard to play quarterback. Skilled
players haven't been consistent. It's true to that. You know
my at this point, and hell, Drew Brees has said
as much. I think you have enough tape to know
what Spencer Ratler can be in the NFL. I don't
think the same is true for Shuck, but I do
think the same is true for Rattler. I think Rattler
I compare him to a Jacoby Brissette type. I think

(49:35):
Rattler is good enough to be a low end starter
and a high end back up for a long time.
It wouldn't surprise me spender Ratler finds himself in the
league for ten plus years. And I mean not sincerely,
but I don't think he's got greatness in him. And
Spencer Ratler, if you somehow come across this podcast, please
prove me wrong, because all that matters is if you
prove me wrong, it means a Saints or a good team.

(49:56):
Hell yeah, let rev Bey right. Let the random Ginger,
who covered the team for four You be wrong, who cares?
Let me be wrong. Love to see it happen. I
just like winning today. It was a good day. It
was a good day, uh Abraham, good seasons. I'll take
competitive games and a team that looks like they're having fun, absolutely,
and it did look like this team was having fun.

(50:16):
To Mario Davis was like he was having a blast,
Chase hung having a blast, Kuleba Chistry having a blast.
I mean, it sucks that I don't see some of
my favorites that I've gotten to love, like Alvin Kamara
and you know, but hey man, this is a good, fun,
competitive football game. It was Kevincoa. He says, Shuck is
a great quarterback. I saw people have the same response
to Josh Allen before he became the quarterback years a day.

(50:38):
So the only thing I'll say, Kevin is I don't
see greatness in Shuck in terms of like what you're
seeing right now, but you definitely see traits that could
be built around and he could excel if he continues
to improve. And that might sound like I'm giving you
a non answer, I'm giving you the answer. I was
taught in scouting, right, he has a lot of traits
and there's reasons to be excited about him if those

(50:59):
trades develop further. But he's not great yet, and that's okay,
and you are right. Josh Allen had those traits even
though the first two years of Josh Allen were not
superb football. They weren't, but the coaches in the front
office of Buffalo knew that, right. They knew who they drafted,
just like Green Bay knew when they drafted Aaron Rodgers.

(51:20):
His mechanics needed work. They knew he needed to sit
and he needed to learn. That's fine, love needed work,
That's okay. Sometimes you get those snaps in a season
like Josh Allen and you end up being great. Sometimes
you get those snaps you take a red shirt year
like Aaron Rodgers, you become great. Also, sometimes you just

(51:41):
end up sucking what to wade and see you could
absolutely right, But yeah, there are good traits. There are
reasons to like Tyler Schuck and you're seeing growth in
games like today where things that he wasn't great at
in preseason, training camp or even necessarily in college, like
scrambled drill at the NFL level and pocket presence seeing
him adapt and be better at that at least in

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this game, and that's good. Titan Brother says. Bottom line
is more, hasn't shown me enough to understand how developed quarterbacks,
let alone coach the team. Now willly prove me wrong.
We'll see, Yeah, will absolutely see. GEVs says, go back
and look at Ratler's college story when it was benched.
His intendency to turn the ball over and over and over. Sure,
but that's college, Kevin. One thing that Spencer Rattler improved
on greatly in the NFL was his turnovers. We talked

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about it earlier. Now is that me advocating that Spencer
Ratler should come back and start over? Shuck? No, But
just because somebody was something in college doesn't mean how
they are now, which is why it's so important to
do trait based analysis. In my opinion, I'm very biased.
I was obviously trained for scouting, so I'm very biased
to the method. I want to be very clear because
there are other methods. FYI. There is hyper analytics methods.

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There are people who believe that purely through advanced analytics
is you can predict how good a player will be
based on certain advanced analytics. So there are differing schools
of thoughts. I believe in trait based analysis. Traits supersede
thing like benching or bad stat boxes things like that.
It's finding tools that can be used and how good

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you are with that tool. Is it as sharp as
a perfect katana or is it as dull as a
blade you saw at the flea market? You know? Trade
BATA analysis, I believe is the best way, and it
is the old school way. The analytics can absolutely be
a great tool as well for finding what players can do.
And there are some really nice traits for Tyler Shuck.
Spencer Ratler also has some nice traits. If somebody wanted

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to take the time to develop those traits for him,
I think he could do well. I don't think he
has the ceiling shut cast and I've always said that
I do not believe Spencer Rattler has the ceiling of
Tyler Shuck, but I do believe he had a higher floor.
So here we are. We'll see how it goes. Man.
I mean, none of us know everything. None of us
know everything, and we'll see what it ends up looking like.

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I'm very excited after games like today to see a
gritty win from a team that needed it, needed this
gritty win. So Daniel points out Ratler he's a different
velocity on his throws and develop touch. All of his
throws are rockets. This is again, yeah, I've mentioned that
as well. We've talked about it when I went over
the scouting report I have put on this channel scouting
reports of Spencer Ratler based off taking his film and

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doing NFL traits. You know where is he at? And
that is one of his issues. That is something that Shuck.
If y'all remember back in the preseason, I said, this
is something Shuck is better at. Ball placement, touch as
in actually throwing the football, pocket awareness, scramble drill. I said,
Spencer Ratle is better than that right now. He is
better than Tyler Shuck in those areas. But one thing

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I said from day one, and many of you who've
been here the entire time will remember, I said, Tyler
Shuck is better in terms of ball placement. He is
better in terms of touching his passes. And we'll see
do those traits get to that elite level. God, I
would love that. That'd be fantastic, be amazing, But there's
also things that we need to see Tyler shuck and

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prove on. You know, I'm excited to see the next game.
Put it that way, right, I have a I smile
on my face, and I look forward to watching football
for a team that's three and ten, and I think
that says a lot about this football team. It says
a lot that I'm excited about watching a team that's
three and ten because you do see potential and I
didn't even see that at all times this week. But

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today was kind of a breakthrough game for me because
I'm not used to seeing what we saw today from
this team. What you saw today was different. Now, for
those curious where today ends us up in the draft rankings,
we are currently pick number five as of where things
are literally at this moment of recording, we still have
the evening games that have to happen, so those have

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not wrapped up yet, and we obviously don't have the
Monday night games. But none of the Monday night games
apply to what we're discussing because Houston is not doing
that poorly. Houston's got a winning record, they're playing KC.
Casey's having a down year, but they're still a five
hundred team. And then it's what Philly and the Chargers.
So none of those teams are currently combating the New

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Orleans Saints for being a top five or a top
ten pick. New Orleans is currently the number five pick
in the NFL Draft, and the game's going on right
now our Chicago Green Bay. Actually, I can just look
on the screen Chicago, Green Bay, La Arizona, and Denver
and Vegas. Vegas is the only one that could impact
to the New Orleans Saints. They are currently losing to
the Denver Broncos. If they were to win and become
three and ten, that could potentially shake up the order.

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I would have to look at the tie breakers right now.
The New Orleans Saints with the number five pick in
the NFL Draft, if they do, like I said earlier,
managed to go three or go six and eleven, well,
then they're probably going to be more likely drafting between
nine and twelve, just to give y'all a number of
where that could end up being, probably between nine and
twelve if that's where ends up being. So yeah, that's
where're at. I've had a great episode and hell a

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lot of fun with y'all. We've run gosh, you know,
I'm having a good time we've gone gosh, well, we've
gone like an hour. Appreciate y'all. Thank y'all so much
for hanging out. I know it's been an up and
down season, but I appreciate y'all so much for being
hoodads and spending time and let me enjoy the game
with you, because I'll be honest, a lot of enjoyment
comes from having the community. If you're not already in
the discord, feel free to join. If you don't follow

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me on x A k A Twitter, feel free to
uh do that. I'm gonna put in the description real
quick or in the chat for those who are live
with us, a link to the discord if y'all want
to come join again. Not everybody does discord. If you do,
I swear we can chat. I don't do this. This
is full time career anymore, so this is just for fun.
If you enjoyed it, share it out. If you didn't,
come back next time and tell me how wrong I am.

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I'm all good. Who that God bless We'll catch you
on the next one, dude. So that's me. Appreciate you.
Let's see whe we win next week.