Crashing and Burning: Our F1 Movie Review (& How We Would Fix It) | EP 69 - Why Are You Yelling?

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
And we're live. I'm Anna and I'm Jessica, And this
is why are you yelling? Welcome back? We're not doing
an F one race review today.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I had memorized in my head what you normally say,
and I was like, welcome back to not another F
one race review today.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
We're actually going to do a movie review, still related
to F one F one. The movie came out like
two weeks ago ish. We went and saw it opening weekend.
We are finally able to sit down and record our
review of it. We have lots of thoughts, and I
hope that you will stick around until the end because

(01:09):
we're going to tell you how to fix the movie
how it should have been done from the beginning, in
a way that would have been much better than the
way it was done.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
So spoiler alert, those are our beginning thoughts are ooh,
comes down, it gets two helmets two about of five helmets. Actually,
I don't know that we'll sell it how many helmets
it gets. At the end.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
We'll give our ratings after we have thoroughly discussed because
we saw the movie together, we briefly chit chatted on
the way out into the parking lot, and have not
really discussed it since. So we're gonna see where our
hearts truly lie at the end of this and then
give you our rating for it.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
And I have not read a hundred other people's reviews
on it, because you do get swayed a little bit
if you're feeling a certain way. I'm like, no, these
are just my thoughts. I mean, of course, I did
see a few people that criticized it, and I was like, oh, I.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Don't care about that, That's not what bothered me. So
but these are our thoughts. Yeah, So let's get into it.
So we will start with a quick sort of overall
vibe check and just to mention real quick too, that
this is going to be spoiler free up into a
certain point, giving just our general overview and thoughts of it,
and then we'll let you know when we get into

(02:21):
the spoilers.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yes, so these are like our our spoiler free first impressions.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah. So overall, vibe check. Did the movie deliver on
what it promised to be?

Speaker 2 (02:31):
What did it promise? You know?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
I think that initially I heard from the drivers who
saw got an early copy of the movie and saw
an early screening of it. Yeah, a lot of the
drivers said the racing looked good. Yeah, the soundtrack was good,
and it was very a Hollywood version of Formula one,
and not to expect it to be too technically accurate.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah all that, Okay.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
I didn't really hear anybody talk about drivers or anybody
else talk about the plot line of the movie leading
up to its release. A lot of the promos and
coverage of it seemed to be centered more around the
way they filmed it and how good it looked and
all the stuff they did to make you really especially
Brad Pitt talking about you really can get a sense

(03:23):
of the speed of the cars. Yeah. Yeah, So, but
I didn't. I don't recall in any of the promotional
stuff and the interviews before the movie came out them
talking about the plot line too much.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, And I mean, I'm definitely guilty. I did not
watch a lot of interviews with the cast and crew
to understake I didn't follow this like press tour basically.
But what I did hear that was pretty much it.
And so did it deliver? It delivered?

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Something delivered two and a half hours of something.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's not fair because it's like there's two ways to
look at it. Did it deliver on cinematography? Did it
deliver on the score? Did it deliver on it being
like filmed in a way that you've never filmed Formula
one cars before? Yes, it delivered that one hundred percent
filmmaking wise, one hundred percent delivered.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
They will, I think win awards for the cinematography. Yeah,
I think they will win awards for I don't know
how many different awards you can get for the way
that something is filmed or shot. But if they don't
win an award at some point for that, like I
would be very surprised, Yeah, because I mean the way
it was filmed was awesome.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
The plot you know, will get very into yeah later,
so stand out elements like we kind of already talked
about just now, Like I think that the score was great.
I think that the way it was filmed was really cool.
I really enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I wish we had a little more.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, And that's kind of the thing, yeah, exactly, because
I mean that was kind of all I kept hearing
was how nothing's been filmed like this before, and then
I feel like I didn't get to see that much
of it, which part of me underst dance production wise,
like you only are probably going to have so many
opportunities to do that. But I also kind of think
you have to figure that out when you decide you're

(05:09):
going to film something like this and then talk about
how you're filming something like this and it's not that
large of a part of the movie, like it to me,
they should have been in the car more, not even
just because oh I want to see the racing. It's
that's what I'm saying. It's just the fact that that's
kind of what they said they were going to deliver,
and it really wasn't that much of the movie.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
So there were some comparisons before the movie came out,
or even from early reviews of it, people comparing it
to Top Gun Maverick.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, and where you.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
And it's a very loose comparison where you you don't
have to be to enjoy Top Gun Maverick. You didn't
have to be a playing enthusiast. You don't have to
know everything there is about pas a plane or a
jet or anything like that. You can go into that
movie and just be mind blown about all the cool

(06:08):
action sequences with the plane, but also a great storyline,
an emotional storyline throughout the whole thing. There's a real payoff.
The plot matters and makes sense that it's an action movie,
but it the plot is the driving for Like, the

(06:28):
plane stuff was cool, but that's not what makes the
movie great. Yeah, you know, the way that it was
shot and filmed and the score all contribute to the
build up of emotions, but it's really the plot line
throughout that whole thing that makes you feel that makes
you want to see it again. I've seen Top Gun Maverick.
I sat in theaters, loved it and was like, yeah, America,

(06:50):
and I have seen it two or three times since then.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Another reason I Top Gun Mavericks being mentioned because it's
the same director, So that's the other thing. So it's
not like like we've seen this director do amazing stuff,
so that's the reason we're mentioning Top Gun.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yes, so you get that, and then people say, okay,
well with the F one movie, F one the movie,
so you get this comparison to F one the movie,
and they say, okay, well, you should be able to
then go into this movie not necessarily being a fan
of Formula one or being a motorsport enthusiast, because generally

(07:25):
if you kind of follow one motorsport, you can loosely
follow the others. There's certain things that are very technical
that make the difference, but for the most part, you
can kind of get the gist of it. So that
being said, you should be able to go into the
F one movie, whether you endo a motorsport or not,
and get an I still understand what's going on and
still be able to follow enough of the technical race

(07:49):
stuff that it shouldn't matter, right, So like when you
have these scenes and shots of the cars and the
race vegans and they're talking strategy and all this, there
should be enough going on with the main plot of
the movie. The thorough line and the emotional beats that
that should be what makes the movie great and what

(08:12):
makes you want to keep coming back to watch it
again and again. Like with Top Gun Maverick, it's the
relationship between Maverick and I think his name is Rooster.
It's the son of Goose from the first movie. Like that,
that relationship and that dynamic is what makes Top Gun
Maverick so good in my opinion. And then so it's

(08:32):
a thorough line of like the plot and the characters
should be the same for this fun movie. It should
be that the plot and the characters and the relationships
between them, and really the relationship between Sonny who's our
main character, and Joshua Peers, Joshua Peers and Sonny Hayes,
that should be the way that this movie is set up.
That should be the defining relationship with all the emotional beats,

(08:55):
and that draws you back to this movie again and again,
and I don't think it successfully does that. This is
not what makes this movie good in any aspect. Is
it's the action sequences, it's the stuff with the car,
it's the score, it's a cinematography. And while that is
all great, if you don't have a strong supporting plot

(09:19):
line and a plot line that spans the entire movie,
and you don't have all these little bits here and
there that kind of just don't really add much, Like
that is just a weak plot. I'm not gonna see
this movie again. I don't know that I need and
if I needed to get my fix of like oh,
I just really want to look at the cinematography or

(09:39):
those couple of scenes that really were effective in the Car.
I can just go watch the scenes on YouTube. I
don't need to go rewatch this whole movie start to finish,
which I think is a real shame.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Yeah, so that pretty much leads us to who's the
movie for and would we recommend it? So I don't
know who this movie's for. I couldn't say that it's
for the general audience. I couldn't say it's for an
It's definitely not for an F one fan, but I
couldn't really say it's for I couldn't say that it's
marketed towards trying to get people to watch F one,

(10:10):
because I don't see you watching this movie and then
being interested in F one. So I couldn't tell you
who the movie's for. And I don't know that they
really knew who the movie was for either. I think
they had an amazing idea. It reminds me of Barbie,
where there was this great concept that they had that
they at least that they thought they had, and they

(10:31):
were very excited about and maybe could Maybe it's a
situation of being in this echo chamber creating something super
exciting and everybody is going off the vibe of what
you think you're making, and that's what led to this.
And so would I recommend it. No, I wouldn't say
don't go see it. I'm just not gonna say it's
worth going. You could stream it, And now that being said,

(10:55):
if you did, I guess I would recommend it one time,
just to see the action seequences in theater, because I
do think a theater experience is different than not your house.
But if I were to recommend it, it's strictly for
the car scenes and this feeling, the score and feeling,
because there are just certain things that like a theater
can encapsulate that your house can't. But that would be it.

(11:16):
It wouldn't be because I'm like, the movie was so good,
the plot was so good. It's not like rush by
any means so, or like Ford words, Ferrari or anything
like that. So that would be the only reason I
would recommend it. If I were to recommend it, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
I would definitely say at a two and a half
hour run time. Definitely time your bathroom breaks around the
action sequences, like there are spans of time where they're
not in the car, Like there's hospital scenes and stuff,
which I don't think is a major spoiler at all,
because it's a race movie. Does there's going to be
people getting injured the hospital scenes, go to the bathroom,

(11:51):
time your bathroom breaks in because when you would think
that those would be emotional moments, tense moments, moments you
really want to It doesn't matter, It doesn't matter. I
can just to answer the question on my side, I
agree with you go to the theater if you to
see it, if you enjoy cinematography, action sequences, score, if
that kind of stuff matters to you and that's what

(12:12):
you're interested in, By all means, it's worth the fifteen
to twenty dollars ticket to go see it. If you
can see it like an IMAX or like we have
a GTX theater, which is just like bigger screen, surround sound,
the whole deal. If you can go see it that way,
I highly recommend it's worth it just for those parts alone.
But if you don't really care about that stuff and
you just kind of are a general movie enthusiast, just

(12:34):
wait for it to come out on streaming and yeah,
So that's kind of my recommendation is like, so.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
We can move on to our section, which is called
F one authenticity check. Did it feel like real F one? No,
but I don't think it was supposed to. I'm not
mad that it didn't. That's not something that bothers me.
It's a movie. That's just a silly criticism. I'd have
seen some people get upset that it didn't, and I'm like, well,
then go watch Off One. So that's not something that

(13:04):
bothers me personally. No, I don't think it felt anything
like actually following Off one besides maybe seeing the drivers.
Besides that, that was still kind of fleeting, So I
would say, like, not really.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
I think overall, most of the racing sequences or track
side sequences or bits of the film that we saw
it was more focused toward the race day itself. I
would have liked to have seen more of the race
weekend as a whole. Yeah, So for people who don't.

(13:39):
If the goal was to get more people interested in
F one and to maybe push people to start watching
the races and follow the sport, I think you need
to show a little bit more of the sport in
terms of, you know, the race weekend as a whole.
There's more to the strategy and the way that they
decide how to do things during the race than just
the race day itself. There's a lot that goes into

(14:02):
practice and qualifying that matters and plays a part in
the race day, especially when it comes to tire choice,
especially when it comes to the setup of the car.
I feel like if we had been able to see
some of that come into play in the movie, that
would have been really cool and I think could have
gotten some people a little more. If that was your
goal is to get people into the sport with the movie,

(14:24):
that could have been a cool way to do it,
because that stuff is interesting for people who like sports
with strategy and where it's not just you know, driving
around in circles, which is a little bit of what
this movie sort of portrays F one as as you're
just driving circles around track a bunch and then eventually
somebody wins and there's a bunch of crashes. Like that's
kind of what it portrays F One to be, and

(14:45):
I think that for people who want who like their
sports to have a little more strategy, a little more thought,
a little more chess moves than checkers kind of vibe.
It could have been cool to see more of the
practice in the qualifying and I did like the stuff
we got to see some of the they were like
podium celebration, We got to see a little bit of

(15:06):
that in the movie. We got to see them standing
for the national anthem that they play in each country
before the race. That was kind of cool to see.
You got to see, I think the grid walk, we
got to see a little bit of that of like
if I remember right of people on the grid.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, because yeah, so yeah, we saw some of that,
but it also never if you weren't aware that existed,
you weren't really aware why they were even doing that.
So that was where it felt like there were multiple
points in the movie that like, truthfully, if you aren't
familiar with F one, you would have not really understood
what they were doing anyway, and I'm like, who the
fuck is this for? Like, I only understand what's happening

(15:42):
loosely in the movie because of like us following F
one and understanding the sport. So I'm like, if none
of that was explained to the audience for them to
even understand like why that was even happening, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
I would have liked. Like I said, I would have
liked to have seen even if it's just one race
weekend as a whole, as opposed to you know, jumping
from you know, race to race to race to race
throughout the movie. It would have been cooler to just
slow down, show me one full race weekend and then
maybe we can go and have a sequence of races
at a couple of different tracks, because then you have

(16:16):
an idea of what they're doing and why yes at
each track. Yeah, moving into how were the racing sequences?
Were they realistic?

Speaker 2 (16:29):
There's your answer, folks, Well, technically everything they showed happened
at some point in time in F one, So yes
and no. It's like, were there sequences that did happen
and were based off real things that that happened in
real life? Yes, So it's like yes and no, But
was it realistic for all of that to happen all

(16:50):
the time. Absolutely not no, But I'm not mad that
it's not realistic. It's a movie.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
I don't know how detailed. We want to get into
the inaccuracies of what of the way things would have happened,
and some of this falls into like spoiler territory.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I was like, I got it on, like I got
got it back.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Let's just put it this way. There were certain things
that occurred, like in terms of the technical aspects of
like if this were to actually happen during a race,
the effects of it in the movie are not accurate
to like the way that the rules are written for
Formula one. So, for instance, if there was something that
happened during qualifying in a very specific way, then there

(17:30):
are ramifications for that in the actual race itself. And
that was not realistic in the way that it was
portrayed in the movie, which I'm intentionally keeping it vague,
but it's that just wouldn't that's not how the rules
are written. That's not what would have happened. Now, there
is like a race sequence where they're employing a specific
type of strategy, if you want to even call it
that where we're like, and this gets a little spoilery,

(17:54):
I'll keep it vague. Where we're crashing into multiple cars,
laughed up their lap, like taking basically trying to create
scenarios to your advantage, but like intentionally causing collisions with
other drivers and causing incidents. In modern Formula one, there
is no way a driver would be able to get

(18:15):
away with that, especially with the way the radio communication
was happening. It was obvious to their team what was happening.
And keep in mind that for those who don't know,
like the everyone can hear the radio communications, so like
the like the stewards, so the people that are presiding
over the race, they can hear that. And if it's

(18:35):
obvious to your team what's happening, it is going to
be obvious to the other teams on the grid what
you're doing too. They will file a complaint. They will say, no,
they can't do this, this is dangerous, it's against the rules.
So that was not realistic at all. And I'm sure
that when you get when we got a lot of
the drivers talking about the movie after they had seen it,

(18:57):
and they were saying, it's very would that I feel
like that that aspect that plot line of the movie
in particular, is what they were referring to. I think
when they're like, when they're like that, it's not for
like people who are sticklers for F one and the
rules and stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
No, so realistic or glamorized. I would say definitely glamorized.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yes, more than more glamorized than realistic. Yeah, but it's
a movie. That's not something I'm upset about. That's just
like it is.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
It is just moving forward, moving on spoilers and spoilers
if you if you haven't seen the movie, you don't
want spoilers, and you just warned to know the vibe
and to hear if you're just here because you want
to hear us talk about it because you want to
know if your opinion mactress ares continue.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah, so we'll get into Uh, there's a lot of
things we want to discuss in terms of what worked,
what didn't work, in terms of the plot, the character
development or lack thereof things that we've seen other people
have reactions to online and our own thoughts about those
particular things. And then also after we get through all

(20:07):
of that, we do want to go into how we
would make this movie better and what we would have
changed and things that could we think could have really worked.
So getting into the sort of plot recap and discussion
of sort of the characters.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
The briefest way to put the plot just so we
don't like try to nail down every single thing is
Sonny Hayes is a former Formula One driver who is
still racing another series. His Formula One career ended twenty
thirty years before the movie starts due to a crash.
He is approached by an ex teammate of his who

(20:42):
now owns a Formula One team and is like, I
need a driver. My team's straight ass. Will you please
come help me. I have a grookie, he's super awesome,
but I need someone with experience to come help me.
Sonny comes pretty much just sets the world on fire
when he comes, disturbs every in every way. You could
probably imagine that, you know, a rugged sort of I

(21:05):
do what I want sort of character does and I'm
smarter than everybody. That's who Sunny is. And he helps
improve the team, but it causes a lot of tension
and issues within the team, but he does improve the
team and it leads to the team winning a race.
At the end of the movie, and there's a lot
of drama in between. But I would say that's the

(21:26):
loosest of terms of what happens.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
And the reason that that is the loosest than the
most generalized plot description or recap or summary of this
movie is because there is so much going on. There
are so many different smaller plot lines and beats throughout
this movie that ultimately go nowhere. They don't really serve
a purpose. They're kind of just there. And we're at

(21:52):
a two and a half hour runtime easily could have
been a two hour movie easily and a much tighter script.
There's a lot of things that to me just didn't
work again, no purpose.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, it felt like a lot of just loosens. It
felt like everybody had like a piece, like all these
separate pieces of string that they were supposed to tie together,
and they did it, and they just threw it in
a pile and thought they would connect themselves and that's
just not what happened.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
So most of the time with movies, you want your
central like, give me one to two sentences of what
the theme of the movie is. What is the audience
supposed to take away from this movie? What is the
central like just what are we supposed to feel? What
is the journey we go on? What do we learn?

(22:37):
I couldn't tell you what? So what this movie is about,
I have no idea. So, like the character Sonny Hayes,
he gets this recurring question throughout the movie. You know
that they say, oh, we'll pay you a lot of
money to come back into the sport. We'll pay you,
or sometimes it's oh, we can't pay you that much
money to do this because we're a different racing series
and small or whatever, and he says multiple times it's

(23:00):
not about the money. And then he gets the question, well,
what is it about? And then he never answers the question.
He always just kind of like like smile, shakes his
head and that's it, And it's like no answer the
question what is it about?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
What?

Speaker 1 (23:17):
And then that applies to this movie as a whole.
What is it about? Couldn't tell you?

Speaker 2 (23:22):
At one point there is a moment where he discusses
basically what he's chasing when he's racing like this, He's
chasing this certain feeling that he used to have while racing.
That's why he still races. But even then, it's very
like there's no emotion behind it. Like the problem here
is there's absolutely no emotional like I'm not invested emotionally

(23:45):
whatsoever in this movie. I don't care about anybody in
this movie or their story or anything, because there was
nothing for me to care about. And it's not even
like I love me a rugged character. I've One of
my favorite movies is Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
by a written instructed by Quentin Tarantino, which Brad Pitt
is in and is sort of similar to Sonny Hayes,

(24:06):
where he's like a rugged sort of guy, great character
because he's written, well, you get invested everything like that, right,
So it's like, I'm not against a rugged character who's
kind of hard to love, but there was just that
wasn't even the problem. There was just no there. It's
like pretty much impossible to get emotionally invested in the
movie because there's nothing to invest in. There's no plotline

(24:28):
to be invested in. The most emotional scene but between
two characters is when they're playing poker, and that's the
most that our characters connect and that's it, and that
was probably the most interesting part.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
What didn't work for me will start there, so What
didn't work for me was we had Joshua Pierce, so
he's the rookie driver on the team. What didn't work
for me was his manager who none of his manager
stuff could I didn't care about, Like it didn't really matter,
didn't really contribute much. Had way too much screen time.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, it had way too much screen time to not
really pay off, to pay off for the audience to
truly understand how much of that social media and your
presence and all that, because it does matter, it'sn't.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Actually that idea is really good, and it's different because
we're in such a different era of racing. That's with
social media and with the brand partnerships and the way
that the drivers have to interact and the type of
content they create. You know, it's long gone or the
days of them only wearing a logo on a suit.

(25:34):
You know, there's so much more that goes into these
brand partnerships and their presence online, their interactions with fans,
the growth of the sport as a whole. All of
that is actually really interesting and the toll that it
takes and the pressure, the added pressure that it puts
on drivers on top of just being good at their
sport and trying to achieve what they want to achieve
in the sport. It's a lot of added pressure. They

(25:55):
allude to that, they sort of imply it, but it
wasn't and it could be. It could have been a
very interesting aspect to this character and could have added
a lot to him and the pressure that he's under.
But the way that it was addressed and they again
they tried to do it with the manager saying like,
you know, you gotta be thinking about your race seat

(26:17):
next year, and you got to drive for you and
what about all these brand deals and the It just
didn't really do.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Much for me, No, And there was that there's a
scene where Sonny and Joshua get into an altercation with
each other and it's pretty much in front of a
bunch of like media, the media, and you know, Sonny
like doesn't care, and then Joshua's like, oh shit, and
he just he's like smiling. And this is like after
a shit race, right, like they had a shit raised.
Neither car finish because they wrecked each other, and so

(26:45):
they're arguing about it. But they're arguing in front of
the media because they kind of come to that hallway
that leads out of their paddock or whatever, and so
you know, Joshua turns to the media and is smiling
because he sort of has you know, he understands it and
has a ask the concept that how people perceive me matters.
And it was such a lost concept that it would

(27:05):
have been even interesting for Formula one fans, the current
fans to understand the stress that these drivers are under
outside of racing because of external factors, and it could
have really been a nice way to explore that, and
it completely failed. None of it mattered because it wasn't
explored really and it wasn't explained to the audience about
why that matters, and so it was just a plot.

(27:25):
It was just it just took up screen time for
no reason because it didn't pay off exactly.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Again, could have been a very interesting and cool part
of that character and could have really, i think added
to It's a motivation that's like a motivating factor for
that character. Why does he make the choices that he makes?
Why does he have all this tension with Sonny Hayes.
Why is he you know, driving the way that he
does and doing the things that he does, And it's
because he's concerned about his future and he's concerned about

(27:52):
being able to continue in the sport that he loves
and has a lot of promise and could have a
great future in. But he and this the social media
and the just media as a whole, and your perception,
all of that matters and plays a factor into if
you are going to get a seat next year and
what team you could possibly drive for. It's not only

(28:13):
about your results on the track. And that is a great,
strong motivating factor and could have been great for this character.
And like you said, it just goes nowhere and doesn't
pay off. And that was a solid five minutes of
screen time we could have trimmed from this movie and
with the manager character too because it just doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah it was. There was nothing that paid off there whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
And even if they wanted to make the manage your
character more involved, then have Joshua Pierce's character be talking
with other teams right contract negotiations and try, you know,
seeing about what seats are available, because that all is
an integral part of the sport too, all the behind
the scenes stuff that could have been interesting and again

(28:55):
added another layer to this character and some of his motivation,
and they just didn't do any with that either, So
I'm like, get rid of his character completely.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I also did not like how so Sonny basically goes
none of that matters. It's just about the racing, dude.
It's just about the racing. And as much as we
would love for it to be that, it's not, and
it should be. I mean, truth be told. That's why
I'm like, it would have been such a great way
for Formula One fans who don't think about these external factors,

(29:25):
for the drivers to really explore it. So people are
gonna have a little more empathy understanding, Like, God, look
at everything that they're under. It's not just did I
perform well, it's did I make this brand happy? Does
this brand like me? I need to have I need
to bring sponsorships into the team. Like, there's so much
that goes into it that could have been explored and
it wasn't, but it was mentioned. The point is like,
if you were gonna mention it, then explore it. If

(29:46):
you knew you weren't going to, don't bring it up, and.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
It would have been again, and they play into it
a little bit, but not enough that that is a like,
that's a point of contention between the two characters, that
is a point of like division in the way that
they view and approach the sport in what they're doing.
In that, you've got Joshua Pierce's character, who's mu again,

(30:11):
he's a rookie. He approaches driving in the sport and
being an F one driver differently than Sonny Hayes, who
was reluctantly dragged back into it and views it solely
as like almost like a purist, a racing purist mentality,
and he says, you know, none of that matters, only
the racing that matters. When like, that's not true exactly.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
And then in a way, the movie sort of loans
itself to agree with Sonny, but it does it. But
that's it's not Yeah, it's not like a real represent
and I understand it's a movie, but it's just I
don't know. So that didn't pay off at all.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Didn't pay off. Could have been a great point of
contention between the characters, could have been a great motivating
factor for Joshua Pierce's character, but ultimately went nowhere. Other
characters that we think maybe could have been trimmed or
cut or not necessarily needed as much screen time What
didn't work for me was towards the beginning of the
movie when Sonny Hayes first shows up trackside to do
the test run with the car to see if he's

(31:03):
even they saying it's like a trial run to see
if he'll even consider taking the seat. He is introduced
to like four or five different characters at the same time.
Do you remember this moment?

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yes, because it was way too because I think I
heard leaned over and I was like, why are they
still talking to each other? There was like four or
five people in a circle talking circle, drunken off joking
basically because pretty much Sonny's like, I'm here, you really
want me? And they're joking like, well, you're like the
seventh or a person we've actually called, and they won't
drop the fucking bit. And there's five people there that

(31:36):
he's been introduced to and they're still talking about this bit,
and I'm like, is this is not a comedy? You
can have funny moments, but it wasn't even that funny,
but they would not drop it, and it went on
far too long, and all those people were pretty much
forgettable exactly.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
So the only people in that scene that he the
only person he needed to really be introduced to in
that moment, and we didn't need to do it all
in the big circle. We could have done someone on
one time stuff, but it was the technical engineers. The
female character, I don't even remember her name, Kate McKenna.
So he needs to be introduced to Kate because she's
an important character at least to his storyline. He can

(32:14):
be introduced to her at that moment. But then we
also had the head of the pit crew guy who
could have been cut from the movie, like I don't
know that he served a purpose. We had the team
principal who used to be apparently a rear jack guy.
They specifically mentioned that at the beginning of the movie
that he used to be part of a pit crew.

(32:34):
Started off part of the pit crew, was the rear
jack guy. And then we get toward the end of
the movie and like there's a red flag on the
last race, so they all get to make any changes
or adjustments to the car while they're they don't get
to go into the garage. They're like lined up in
the pit lane, and so at one point it's like
basically an all hands on deck. We got to make
the repairs to the car and the little bit of

(32:56):
time we have left, and then because it's all hands
on deck the team principle because he used to be
a rear jack guy, he's like, give it that. It
takes the rear jack from the actual weird jack guy
and like lifts the car and I'm like, it's an okay,
callback moment, but it didn't need to happen, and it.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Wasn't necessarily mad at that just because you're dealing with
this like if the plot would have been worth it,
because I'm like, that sequence could have happened in a
rewritten movie and it still could have been because the
reason he did is because they couldn't get the car
dragon and he goes, oh, I'll do it myself basically.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
But in what world is the team principle even off
the pit wall in that scenario.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
The cards were all like lined up or whatever.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
I guess, I know, but like they're not actually leaving
their seats, like he's the team principal, he's not the head.
He doesn't. I'm again, I know that it's a movie
and it's not super accurate, but like that whole moment,
like it was fine, I guess, but it could have
been trimmed. That's just a little extra fat that I
don't know had the payoff that when you have so

(33:57):
many other problems with this movie and things that could
have been why was that included.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, it's like yeah, I mean he didn't have a
big enough role for me to that emotionally to pay
off and go damn, like there we go, you know,
Like that was like in Cars. So basically in Cars,
Doc comes to the race track. Everybody knows who he is,
and he's pretty much right the race engineer for Lightning McQueen.
That pays off because you understand his past, what it

(34:23):
means for him to even step back into into a
race track, Like that's something that you're like, damn, like
look at him go. But that's because he's a huge
part of that plot. This guy was like in the
movie Off and On, like didn't really have a plot,
Like he was just there. He was a supporting character.
So it was like for him to jump down and
do that, it was this it would have been better
if he would have been a bigger character. So it

(34:43):
was more like mash like if I have an issue
with it, it's more just because it doesn't pay off.
So it's just like a needless moment.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Another sort of plot line in character that didn't really
pay off for me was Joshua Pierce's mother. I don't
really know why she was there. So the moment that
we really see her in when she has a presence
on screen and contributes anything, is there's a moment where
when right when Sonny Hayes it's after his sort of

(35:12):
like track audition, and then we get a scene with
josh Joshua Pierce and his mom, like in his apartment.
His mom's like cooking for him or whatever. I'm pretty
sure that they only had that for the product placement
of the blender because that is what Shark was. Ninja
Shark or whatever is one of the sponsors for the car.
So there's a small moment they have a small interaction there.

(35:33):
That's fine, whatever. I think it could have done more
to serve as like a her pulling information from him
so we get to see the inner thoughts of the
character and hear him verbalize that kind of stuff. I
think it could have been a bigger moment there. And
then we get the scene when he's in the hospital.
So this is after Joshua Pierce's car he's at his wreck.

(35:55):
His car like flipped a million times, was on fire.
He's got burns on his hands. He's in the hospital.
So Sonny Hayes goes to the hospital to visit his teammate,
and then his mother comes out of the room and
like basically or no, his mother if he comes out
of the room and she's like it basically, it's like,
this is your fault, and what do you think you're doing.
This is my baby and this is his life, and
like is piling on all this guilt, like this is

(36:18):
your fault. And Sonny Hayes is like, it's a sobering
moment and I did like that moment. And then you
get like the Joshua Pierce's character is awake during and
he hears what's going on in the hallway and here
he hears his mother blame Sonny for what happened, and
there is a little it's not even really payoff, like

(36:40):
it isn't Later in the movie, Joshua tells his mother, like,
you know, that accident was my fault. I did He
wanted me to break later, I wasn't patient enough. I
didn't do actually what he told me to do, and I.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Would or herd on the radio and our public.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, and and he says, you know, it's my fault,
don't blame him. And I get making Sonny feel bad
in the hospital, and he feels some sort of guilt.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
But did he know because I kind of felt like
he just didn't argue with her, did not argue with her. Yeah,
because he he did.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Nothing happened. Then that's why I say it goes nowhere,
because if he feels truly guilty in that moment, you
would think that something in his mind would change about
oh I can't actually take that much risk, or I
shouldn't be so willy nilly with people's lives.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
And technically he didn't listen to what Sonny said. So
it's like, in a.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Way, Sonny doesn't have to feel guilty because it actually
isn't his fault. And it's like, well, the mother blames him,
but he knows it's not his fault. Joshua Pierce knows
it's not his fault. So why is the mother trying
to lay on the blame thicker, you know, like lay
the guilt? Like what was the point of that scene?

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah, It's like I feel like the point of it
was to try to make Joshua feel something, because it
really Josh is the one that messed up. He's the
one that didn't listen. But it never really comes across
like that, and there's really no emotional growth, like we
don't actually see growth from either character, and in that sense,

(38:15):
it's very boring. So that just didn't make any sense
to me, where I'm like, where's the growth here?

Speaker 1 (38:22):
If we're gonna have anyone feeling guilty or assigning blame,
it should have been Josh's character who felt angry at
the accident. If he then expressed that anger to his mother,
who then expresses that anger in the hallway to Sonny.
She's acting as a proxy for her son in that moment, right,

(38:45):
So that makes more sense. But the mother is just
jumping to these conclusions and blaming Sonny when josh kind
of knows that it's his fault but doesn't want to
verbalize that he did the wrong thing. It would have
been it could be more effective if he actually believed
and was blinded by anger and wanted to blame somebody

(39:06):
but couldn't blame himself. But like, he knows that it's
his fault and he just don't want to say it.
But if he actually believed and was blinded by the
anger and wanted to play the victim, that could have
been a character defining moment. And then you get the
character growth toward the end of the movie where he
because then he does realize that he does need to

(39:27):
practice more. He gets in the simulator. He plays that
same moment in the race over and over and over,
and he runs it so many times, eventually realizing that
Sonny was right and he should have listened to him,
and it was his own fault.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Because he kept trying to do it the way he
was going that he attempted to do it. He was
trying to pass Max rushed up in which he was
never a gone on. But you know, he tries that
moment over and over and over again and he can
never do it. But the one time he does it
how Sonny told him he should have done it, it works.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
And so that and that could have been like a
light bulb aha moment and again character growth like that.
But just to have the mother just jump to these conclusions,
be angry, have the yelling moment in the hospital like
it doesn't go anywhere. There's no character development from either
of them from that moment, and it's like it's like
you had something there that could have been more, but

(40:18):
like there's so many other things going on that never
gets developed or utilized effectively, and it's so frustrating.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
It's very frustrating. It's just I've already established and said
that I don't it's fine that it's not exactly the
same as F one, right, But the mother at this
point is clearly like understands that's a lot of what
Joshua was doing was based on the instruction from Sonny,
which means she understood the radio messages. So how did

(40:48):
she not see what Sonny said versus what Joshua did?
So to me, it's a huge contradiction of like why
is she so angry at Sonny Because the only way
for her to even underst stand that Joshua was operating
under what the instruction from Sonny is to understand those
radio messages because that's the only way that he was

(41:09):
hearing that.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
And again they don't say any how this happens or
how she knows this in the movie. The only other
way would be if she didn't hear the radio messages
and she and her son tells her I was doing
what Sonny said, and this is what happened.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
If he was just he was supposedly knocked out till
he woke up, yeah, and heard her. So I'm like,
I don't really understand that.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Like, how did she know or come to this conclusion?
The only the.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Only logical way would have been the radio in my head, like,
I'm like, the only logical way that you heard this
was from the radio messages, But then you also would
have heard what Sonny said to do, and that's not
what he did. So who are you that doesn't it's.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Not That's the reason we have to assume that that's
the way that she found that information out is because
we're not told any other way. We have no idea
if she's spoken to any other character that would have
told her, hey, this is what happened. But anybody who
would have known that Sonny is the one that told
Josh to do that in the race would have been

(42:01):
able to explain to her Sonny said do it this way, Josh,
it this way, and that's what caused you exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
So I'm like, none of it really makes sense.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, So it's not like someone told her what happened,
because any character that could have told her would have
explained it to her actly. So the only way we
can assume she found it out is if she overheard
the radio messages. But again, she still would have heard Yeah,
it doesn't make any sense to me, So that whole thing,
like what so another thing I just don't understand. Like,
so both of their dads are mentioned at one point,

(42:29):
and how they both lost their father at the exactly
either they were both like thirteen years old when it happened.
That doesn't really pay off either. I'm not emotionally invested
in either of their backstory.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
You know. At one point, Josh was like, I did
everything to be here. I did this. I don't know that.
I know nothing about you. There's no there's nothing for
me to emotionally invest in to understand what you did
or didn't give up, or what your family has given
up to get you to this point.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
There's been no legwork done. It's like a show versus
tell sort of thing. The character is telling me, I've
sacrificed a lot and done a lot. You don't know
what I've done to be here. I don't. I don't
know either, as audience, I don't know what you've sacrificed
or done because no one has shown or told there's
no backstory, which you could have done through the mother,
through the manager, because it seems like the way the

(43:15):
manager relationship is portrayed that their friend friends, they seem
like family.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
All.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah, they seem like like the long term, like you know,
you brought your boy up with you, you know, and
you know that he has your back because you've been
you know each other so well. Yeah, so it gives
that sort of vibe. So I mean, you could the manager.
Every time he's talking about you know, you got to
do it for the brand, but all about the money
and the partying and the seemingly superficial stuff, he could

(43:39):
have had lines that actually mattered, because you can say,
you know, the brands matter and you've got to be
thinking about these sorts of things. But you can also
slip in a line of like you've done so much,
you remember X y Z things that you've done, or
some sort of anecdote from.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Their past or back.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Give me something that tells me why, Like that tells
me me as the audience, why I should care about
you as.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
A character exactly. And the same thing with Sonny, like
we don't really. We hear about the dad. You know,
Sonny talks about how his dad had a gambling problem,
which is you know, the whole card thing, and I
guess probably is what also led to Sonny's bad behavior
later in life, because basically, Sonny Hay's gotten into his
car accident in Formula one, horrible accident, lives and then
blows all his.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Money and develops it and gets married a couple of
times and divorced a couple of times, and develops a
gambling problem, loses everything and then he just goes back
to racing or whatever. Yeah, he's a different series. Yeah,
in smaller series. So he does like Lamon or something
like or no, he does.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
He doesn't Durrance Racing. So it's like he does the
Daytona twenty four hour rolex. He does, and we're led
to believe he does other things like that as well.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
It's implied that he kind of jumps from series to
series until he wins it and then he's like okay,
like one and done sort of things.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Like a little race slut, yeah, so or series slut.
He's an ss ooh no, sas officer, he's a series slut.
There's just nothing for me to be invested in on
either side, even the father side. They're like, there's nothing there,
and there's nothing there for me to understand why Sonny
operates the way that he does because of how he

(45:17):
was raised. And the only reason I'm mentioning that is
because they mention it. So it's like, if it wasn't
going to be explored, why do we bring it up
at all?

Speaker 1 (45:26):
And again, it could have been a great plot point
because you get the we have the tension, the divisiveness
between the two characters of the way that they view
racing and F one and this career right that we
mentioned before, could have been a really great point of
contention between the characters where they butt heads and then
you could have this moment where you know, they both

(45:47):
are like oh, which they do have a moment, a
single moment where they're both like, oh, our dads both
died when we were thirteen years old, which is a
very formative age for a boy to lose their father figure.
They're coming, you know, going through puberty, going into manhood
and all this stuff, right, so like what more like
that could be a moment to bring them together because
if we then go into how were our dads similar

(46:09):
or how were we raised similarly? Or did our dads
have a philosophy about racing that they gave them to
pass down to us that's the same, or how did
losing our fathers at thirteen years old affect us similarly?
Like that could have been a moment to bring the
characters together where you find a common thread, because then

(46:29):
from that sort of point, the characters try to start
to work together more and come together more and develop
more of a relationship and a bond. But it's very flimsy.
It doesn't there's no real reason why, And it could
have been such a good bringing them together moment where
they're like, oh, and it's a little bit of a
movie cliche, but it could have been like a, oh,

(46:50):
we're more similar than we are different.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
It could have been interesting because in Formula one, a
lot of these guys have their dads, like literally almost
every driver has their dad, except like Charles Leclair, which
is actually like a really interesting part of Charles's story
in real life. And so I think that it was
just it felt like a lazy way to tell me,

(47:13):
as an audience member, I should be emotionally invested in
these people because they've experienced loss and grief. Even though
I haven't seen them experienced loss or grief. You're just
telling me that they have had it happen in their lives,
and now I'm suddenly supposed to care about that despite
not showing me. Let me grieve it, like let that's
that's how you are supposed to write things. You're supposed

(47:35):
to make the audience care. Not because I'm saying make
me care about it. I'm saying it where it's like,
let me grieve their relationship with their dad with that
I don't my dad's dead. I'm somebody who could really
relate to these characters. I'm somebody who could feel that
loss with them based on me not having my dad anymore.
And it was just empty and it's just it's lazy

(48:00):
storytelling devices that you're not executing, like you're basically you're
it was wasted.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Yeah, And so that there's this moment, so like the
character so Sonny has this like deck of cards that
he almost always has with him, and that's a major
sort of thing they keep at least consistent throughout the movie.
Is he either has this deck of cards on his pocket,
on his persons. Uh he like in you shuffling them,

(48:28):
flipping them around or whatever. And yeah, and that could
be like for dexterity and reaction times and it could
be something like to do with that. But then and
then he also keeps like one specific card from the
deck random. He never checks it, so he just pulls
it and he card and then puts it in his pocket. Okay,

(48:51):
because I was so confused by this because it doesn't
pay off. Again, we have this thing where you're setting
up this thing that's supposed to have some sort of
payoff and it doesn't ever get explained. So like I
assume again he has this deck for and it's a
symbol of like his past behavior and problems with gambling.
It's also a symbol of his father, So like I

(49:12):
get that as a symbol. And then when the characters
have the moment in Las Vegas where Kate the technical director,
brings the two drivers together and they play a couple
rounds of poker, like the deck is supposed to symbolize
something there about the characters connecting, or it doesn't quite

(49:34):
fully form there. It could could it could there's a
tendril there that if they had done a little more
development early in the movie. That symbol could really have
paid off in a big way and could have been
a good through line, like I love a symbol, I
love a symbol in a movie. I love symbolism. I
want to read all the layers into it, and it
just falls apart.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
So before we started filming, this was something we had
talked about that we wanted to explore. I'm like, I
don't really know what the reason he had the cards.
I don't remember that really being discussed about, like the why.
I think Joshua does ask at some point, and I
don't necessarily remember that Sonny gives a meaningful explanation as
to why. But the director has pretty pretty much said

(50:15):
it's a superstition thing and that it is a nod
back to the father's gambling. It's a nod back to
Sonny's gambling. But it's like a superstition thing. And there
is a moment where he's in the car he puts
his hand in his pocket because he'll put a single
card in his pocket and he'll go before the race
and he'll and so he it's like a good luck
sort of yeah, it's like the you know, yeah, and
it's like a comfort thing is he'll like put his

(50:36):
hand in there, and then he didn't. It was a
big deal. But it's like none of that. I don't care.
And the reason I don't care is because I'm not
showed why I should. So if it's that emotionally, most
superstitions come from like influence, So if he's superstitious for

(50:57):
a reason, or if he keeps a part of his
dad with him for or reason, then why I should
have met the dad in a flashback? There should be
a scene. There should be a flashback scene with this
father in these cards, so young Sonny associates that with
his dad or with some or like he's being told
a superstition, like there's a reason Sonny feels this way,

(51:17):
and we're never really it's never really explored us to why.
And it easily could have been fixed by removing the
manager scene for five minutes and giving me a five
minute flashback that makes me go fuck, like look at this,
Like it's really not hard to make the audience care.
You just have to view it as an audience member
and go, what how do you get emotionally invested in

(51:39):
movies or a story? And it just didn't pay off.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
There was just it was like whatever, Yeah, the moment
in the movie where he goes to feel for the
card that in his pocket and doesn't find it, he
has a moment of like panic and gets anxious and
stressed out, and that was portrayed.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I think, yeah, but I.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Didn't feel it with him because I didn't know why
matters exactly. It wasn't ever explained or there's no emotional connection.
I just don't feel it with it. And again they
show it, well that Brad Pitt emotes, well.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Yeah, he's a amazing actor, So it feel like.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
No, it's just that it was never explained to me
or shown to me why it matters, and I just
don't care. I'm like, okay, well he's panicking, and that
then is going to affect his performance and ability in
the race. I get that, but like why is he panicking?
What's going through his head? How is that then going
to affect everything else? Like No, it was just again
it's a missed opportunity that they laid the tracks for

(52:37):
and just never fully realized.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
No. And and the other thing is the only reason
I can say it's a superstition thing. It's linked to
this this that and the third is because I had
to google it and saw what the director said about it,
and I'm like, it happened so often in the movie.
It's like a pre race ritual of his that you
should not have to tell me why it's not an

(53:01):
Easter egg. Easter eggs. Yeah, I love an Easter egg,
and I love figuring out later on why something happened,
or like a small little thing happened, or why a
person you know did a certain thing. But but like
those are like small things that an Easter egg is
a small thing. This was not an Easter egg. This
was like a character trait and it just was pointless.
And I'm supposed to care, but I don't. And it's

(53:21):
because you don't tell me why I should.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Uh So. Something else that just I didn't love or
didn't work for me was the combat chanting so cheesy.
So they they say, you know, Plan C is for
chaos and plants. You know, they have Plan A, Plan
B plancy for strategy during during the race, and they
say plan plancy is for chaos, and I'm like, okay, whatever,
that's fine. Then at some point plancy become or was

(53:46):
it They're they're talking about the strategy and they say
we're gonna build this car for combat, and then somebody
just starts chanting comback com back combat and then everyone's
chanting combat and it is I want to die like
a well, I felt the cringe the secondand embarrassment. It
was just so ugh that moment just it's supposed to

(54:06):
be a moment of like rallying the team behind you
and you feel a surge of hope and you know
we're we're the underdogs and we're going into this thing.
Like it just falls flat because it's cheesy.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, And it's just like what because I think at
the end of the day, you chose to make a
movie portraying Formula one. The movie is called f one
or the one, the one the movie, so you also
cannot get upset when some people are pointing out that
would not happen. It's okay to take liberties to a degree,

(54:42):
but you also decided to make a movie set into
the real world with the real life teams and the
real life drivers, and you basically it's a fan fiction.
That's what that This movie is a fan fiction. And
so it's just like there should be some realism to it.
I understand and that there's it's gonna be dramatic. I
understand there's gonna be plot lines that necessarily aren't one

(55:04):
hundred percent realistic, because again, it's a movie, but it's like,
what are we doing here? Though really it's not necessarily
even one plot point that bothered me as much as
like none of it's connected, and I just the way
the story was told was bad. They didn't utilize one
single storytelling device that made it easy for anybody to

(55:24):
follow the movie and to really care about what it
was about. I didn't even understand why some things were
a big deal. That's the other thing. Finishing in the
points was also like it's a big deal to finish
in the points, and they're happy to finished in the points,
but it didn't even feel like that was explained that well.

(55:44):
About even what constructors are and how that affects the
team and all that, none of it.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
They had scored a point the whole season up to
that point, went up to the moment when Sunny joined
the team. There was nine races left when he joined
the team. Yeah, they hadn't scored a point. They hadn't
won a race. Their goal was to win a race
and I'm like, that's a lofty goal for a team
that has not scored a point at all with nine
races left, and you have a twenty what three to
twenty four race season at that point, so it just

(56:15):
scoring a single point is a huge deal for a
team that hasn't scored a point in over half a season.
Like you said, they don't explain that. The team seems
to be excited, but that's actually a major triumphant moment,
and it just there's not a ton of explanation why.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, we don't understand why, Like we're basically told that
if he does not. So the owner of this team
is Sonny's I don't know if they were teammates.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
They were teammates when he was originally in F one in.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Like the ninetieses, and so he owns this team or
he's like the majority shareholder of this team. But there's
a board and everything, and they're pretty much one the
jump ship, sell the shit, and back out because it's
a bad investment. They're not getting anything out of it.
So that's why he brings Sonny on. And I will say,
Sonny did just win like the twenty four hour Daytona
race and he's another series, so it's he does have

(57:06):
like a successful record moving you know, once he kind
of decided to start racing again. So like that's our
first introduction to Sonny is he wins Daytona twenty four hour,
which which is a big deal.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
That was awesome, That whole sequence at the beginning of
the movie great. I love that, Yeah, because I went
to Daytona twenty four this year. It was awesome, and
that was pretty much like the vibe because that was
pretty cool. But he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
He basically is like, I need to get some points
on the board to satisfy the board. And but even then,
it's like nothing is explained. And I'm not saying we
need to sit down and have like a classroom session
of how Formula one works, but let me, for god's sake,
you decided to make an F one movie, explain it
somewhat to the audience so people can understand and be

(57:50):
emotionally invested in them getting points and why it's a
big deal, Like it's just not.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Yep, it's just another moment that didn't work or payoff.
And there was a lot of so there's a lot
of chatter online about the We're calling it the girl
stuff in the movie. A lot of there's been a
lot of criticism of that. There's two sort of prominent

(58:16):
female characters part of that are part of the team.
So I'm not talking about the mother Josh Peers's mother
side characters, talking about specifically two female characters part of
the Apex F one team in the movie. We've got
a female mechanic and we've got Kate, who's the technical
director who we've mentioned, And a lot of people were

(58:37):
up in arms about the way these female characters were portrayed.
You've got the female mechanic who they're like. She's shown
as like sort of a bumbling, accident prone, bad at
her job sort of character.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
Honestly, I don't love that she was portrayed that way.
I have more issues with how she was portrayed. If
I have an issue at all, then not how Kate was.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Yeah, I I don't know that her character was necessary.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
No, I mean, if you were gonna have a if
you're gonna have a girl mechanic, just have a girl mechanic.
She was on the pit crew. At one point she
drops like the the drill or something. Basically she drops.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
She was in she was in charge of getting the
lugnut that holds the tire on. She holds the thing
that gets drilled. Yeah, she holds the thing that takes
it off and puts it back on. And so they
do a pit stop in a race where she it
gets stuck and it's not working right, and when she
drops it on the ground, she drops it in line

(59:36):
with the tire, so that right as the car they
eventually get the tire off and on, and right when
she like the car is ready to take off out
of the pit box, she like yank tries to yank
it out the way, but it like does something to
the car and like cause it some sort of damage.
And Okay, fair enough, she made a mistake. Mechanics do that.

(59:56):
I don't love that. Like Prior to that, they showed
her like there's scene when we're first introduced to her
where she's like running into people and dropping things in
the garage and shown to be sort of like clumsy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Yeah, because I'm like, I don't want to have a clumsy mechanic. No,
like like whether she's a girl or a boy, or
were there a girl or a boy? Like why are
we hav like why is she being betrayed this way,
like as a klutz, like anybody. Here's the fact not
everybody can do every job on the planet. So I'm sorry,
no some klutz who that's a big deal. And so
it's just like, what are we trying to betray representation

(01:00:28):
of that anybody can do any job and some ditzy
girl can do that or ditsy boy. No, that doesn't
even make sense. I don't know that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
I'm trying to figure out what purpose her character served
other than to just show a female character as part
of the pit crew.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Yeah, And what doesn't make sense is just have her
as a part of the pit crew. Then like why
does she have to be the one character that made
the mistakes as well? So like another scene that she has,
so Sonny sticks up for or.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Whatever, yeah, because uh, Joshua Pierce is like dreaming into
her and or like because she made that miss steak
and stuff. And then so in front of the whole team,
like everyone's there in the garage, right, and so then
Sonny's character kind of sticks up for her and is
like it's fine, like basically tells her she doesn't do
anything wrong, even though she did.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
She has The other part is I'm like, why are
we almost villainizing Joshua for being upset at that moment
when she did fuck up?

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
And if that was the male If that had been
a male character, he still would have been pissed the
same way. He's actually treating her more fairly by being
still mad at her that she did something wrong, Like,
that's that's what it is. It doesn't the gender doesn't
play a role in that mine exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
And then the next scene she has after that, Sonny
Hayes is in an ice bath, shirtless in a dark
room by himself, and then she just happens to walk
in and she goes, oh, I'm so sorry. I ran, Indy.
Why it is that necessity?

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
I ran in a dark room they have He's behind
the wall of tires, they.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Have all the tires, and I was like, it was
dark in there was not in there. There's wasn't one
hundred lights. It was moody ish.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Garages are supposed to be well lit. They are typically
very well lit because you have to go to see
what you're doing. So it's like, why is it dark and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Why is she like, oh, I'm sorry? And so the
one scene where she thinks him he has to be
shirtless in an ice back, so the only female. Yeah,
and that why because then she's like, hey, thanks for
sticking up for me, but don't You're just gonna make
it harder for me. But we also never even see
how the team does or does not treat her differently
based on being a female. So it just doesn't make sense.

(01:02:31):
It feels like a really lazy storytelling device that isn't
executed correctly to try to show that women are treated
different versus men in motorsport. But like the thing is is,
she did fuck up, So what are we supposed to
just be like, she didn't fuck up? It was just
a needless character. And if you were gonna have a
female mechanic, because then the other side, the flip side

(01:02:51):
of that is why did you have the only female character?
Fuck up? Fair enough? Fine, just have a female character.
Then just have a female mechanic.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Why does she to fuck up?

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Like why don't she have to fuck up? And I'm
not saying it's a weird like discussion, because like people
are allowed to fuck up, and if a man fucks up,
it's like it's not like Joshua said, you fucked up
because you're a girl. He didn't say that. He just
just like, well, fuck, like, do your fucking job.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Basically, like, if we were going if you're going to
have a character who's the part of the pit crew
who makes a mistake during a race, who gets yelled at,
rightfully so because they made a mistake, then have another
character who sticks up for them. But then the mechanic
or the the part of the pit crew is like,
you know, thank you for sticking out for me, but
don't do it because you're gonna make my job harder.

(01:03:39):
Like all of that could still happen if it was
a male character, but it wasn't executed in a way
that mattered, right, So that particular storyline could be interesting, yeah, literally,
But yeah, why are we not writing it in a
way that it could be applied to a male or
female character, Because that's how you get actually like interesting

(01:04:00):
plot lines where it's not so reliant on like just
because she's a girl, Like we're told because she's a
girl in this environment that she's like you said, she's
treated differently, but we're not shown it, right, so that
part her being a girl is inconsequential, Yeah, because we're
never shown that it actually does matter, So it could

(01:04:21):
you could have substituted a male mechanic in that role
and it would have been the same, like same impact.
Nothing would have changed about the movie or that particular
nothing would have changed or been different.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
You could have just had it to where Joshua did
not want her as a mechanic, so she was like
in a way almost like she wasn't the one changing stuff.
And then you have a male fuck up and because
he it's okay to make him a little sexist, make
him a little sexist, and he doesn't want her on
the pit, like that's not how he wants her her
role executed. So maybe she's like she's on the sidelines

(01:04:53):
Brad Pitt note or Sonny Hayes notices and he's like,
I want her online, and then she executes the job perfectly.
That's a way easier way to showcase what you're trying
to showcase.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
And that a woman can be part of a team and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
And a function completely fine. Then Joshua can see that
and go, fuck, I'm an asshole, and then literally have seen.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Character that we have not seen at all in this
and we.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Could easily apologize to her because also another weird part
is when remember when he walks in and she's like hi,
like she's a fan, and I'm thinking, are they fucking dead? Ass?
I was like, are they like having an affair or something,
because like why is she acting like that? I'm very
confused by this reaction.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
If you're gonna there are two ways they could have
gone with this female pit crew mechanic character, and they
didn't go either way, and it was just bad they
didn't go anyway. Yeah, you could either do She's actually
really proficient, like you said, really proficient at her job,
but is facing discrimination being a woman, and discrimination is

(01:05:59):
a very strong but that's what it is, or at
least prejudice in that moment for being a woman in
a male dominated sport. She so she's proficient at her job,
she faces this discrimination. Sonny Hay's character comes in as
like fuck it, I don't care if you're a boy
or a girl. If you can do the job, do
the job, if you're good, be part of my team.
And then like you said, you get the Joshua Pierce's

(01:06:19):
character realizes he was being a dick and then character
growth there we go.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
So that's like that simple.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
That's one way. The other way is if you want
to go into it, you show more of her and
the issues she's facing. Again, it goes into the discrimination
being a woman in a male dominated sport. Maybe some
of the other mechanics are making comments toward her being
snide or making backhanded comments about her being a woman
and not being able to do the job. Maybe something

(01:06:47):
happens that causes her that they say something to her
that fucks with her, and that's why she has an
incident dropping the thing, you know, and making the mistake
during the pit stop, and then she's having to try
to explain or be like, we're there's something there that
shows she's being treated differently.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Yeah, literally, because have a male mechanic make the exact
same mistake as her, have her make the mistake and
see how they're treated differently. It's just very simple or.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
Even and because women face this in workplaces all over
the place. Maybe you have one mechanic on the team
that's harassing her or really targeting her specifically for being
a woman, and then there's something that occurs with that
right where that's affecting her job performance. And then when
Sonny Hay sticks up for her and says no, it's fine,
and then she tells him like, you can't thank you,

(01:07:36):
but you can't do that because it makes my life
more difficult. And then you show how that one mechanic
on the team is treating her differently, and it's like, really,
you need this man to take your battle for you,
like something. You could go so much more in that direction.
That would have been a lot more illuminating, because if
we're gonna portray, let me just put it out there,
if we're gonna portray a woman working in a male

(01:07:58):
dominated field, you can't just show her excelling and having
no problems, because that is not realistic. A woman realistically
going into a female mechanic as part of an F
one team is going to face harassment point white, period,
because you cannot. You cannot tell me that in a
team of how many mechanics twenty mechanics, thirty mechanics per car,

(01:08:20):
that not one of them is gonna treat her differently
because she's a woman.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
I don't believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
I don't know. It would have been interesting because there
are female like pit crew members like right now on
the grid, so it would have been interesting to really,
if you're gonna That's the other thing. If you're gonna
have this story in this character, did you talk to
anybody who is doing this job that can then lend
you like their lens so you can see their experience.
It just feels like it's lazy. It's lazy represent what

(01:08:50):
representation you just you thought you did something and you didn't.
And it's exact the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Whole character could have been something could have been interesting, wasn't. No,
didn't ultimately go anywhere. She felt like they just threw
her in there to be like, look, see we have
a woman who's a mechanic and she's part of the team,
and she has a couple of speaking lines and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Yeah, and then like she pretty much there's never an issue. Again,
Sonny gets pretty close with the pit or like the
pit crew because he spends time with them or whatever.
That's like it they're really that's not explored whatsoever. Now
super bizarre.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
That could have been again, way more interesting of an
aspect to an F one movie that we don't get
to see a lot, even as people who follow formula
one is what are the dynamics like within a pit
crew team and the mechanics and the work that they
put in to fix a damaged car, and you know,
all that stuff is actually would be very interesting to

(01:09:46):
see portrayed on a movie, and then that they didn't
even touch it. So the other female character, Kate, we've
talked about her a little bit. I don't actually have
a problem with her character in turn terms of like
a lot of the criticism she was getting is that, oh,
you have this woman who's worked her way to being
the technical director of an F one team. She's got

(01:10:08):
to be super smart, super ambitious, super passionate about what
she's doing, which I think all of that was portrayed well.
I got that from her character. They didn't have to
just tell me I saw it. Yeah, they showed it
to me, Yes, exactly. And then she has a romantic
entanglement with Brad Pitt's character where they kind of are
flirty and getting closer in a couple of moments where

(01:10:30):
it's like, oh, they're like super happy and embracing after
a race or something, but then they kind of like,
oh wait, like that was a little inappropriate, Like we
kind of got to keep our distance because we are
colleagues and work together. But then we get to a
moment where like you looked at me in the theater
and was like, I just wanted to kiss it already,
Just do it because there's tension building up, which again
I had no problem with. Eventually they sleep together. It's

(01:10:52):
sort of a one night stand kind of thing, but
she's very affectionate afterwards. Yeah, like weirdly like that, I'm more.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Issue with that. Why are we portraying that she's she
had like a fun time with a hot driver and
all of a sudden it's like I'm in love, you're
my man?

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
And he was very clearly uncomfortable where he's like, why
is she all up on me?

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Like, but then that's also it was just a really
weird thing, Like it was bizarre.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Like they could just be fuck buddies, like they could
have portrayed that where they're like friends. They have this
moment and they sleep together, and then they can still
go on being flirty and friendly and working together, because
I think they actually did that to an extent, but
like the little bit after they sleep together was a
little weird. And then they have this moment at the

(01:11:43):
end of the movie where they kind of are just like, well,
if we meet later on, like it's been fun and
if we meet later on down the road, great if
not great, which I think is fine, But there were
moments where they tried to almost imply that she felt More's. Actually,
if I have an issue at all, it's that. So
it's like, I don't care that they slept together. I

(01:12:05):
don't care that you have you know, the it's like
the one woman, major woman character that has a prominent
role on F one team and she sleeps with the
main character. I don't care. No, it's a romantic storyline
in this otherwise, in this movie that otherwise has no
romance in it. I'm fine with that. Like, it didn't

(01:12:26):
bother me at all.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
And the reason it didn't bother me is because there
to me, I did not see their roles as anything.
I didn't see a power imbalance there because of who
she is, so I didn't see it would have been
really disgusting if he had a relationship with the or
the mechanic character, Yes, I would have been disgusting. But she,
from my point of view, has just as much, if

(01:12:48):
not more power than Sunny, So at that point they
seem pretty equal. Like power wise, I didn't really feel that.
I just didn't care because there wasn't no power and
balance really.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Their roles within the team. As a technical director, she's
helping decide like the direction that the car will take
in development. She weighs in on strategy some but other
than that, she's not like working directly with him, Like
she's not his race engineer.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Yeah, that's the other thing. People are like talking they
were up. Some people are upset from that portrayal mentioning
oconn Esteban o'conn and his engineer at has which is
like the first female F one engineer, But like that's
not who she was to him, and that would have
been an inappropriate I think at that point, but that
wasn't her role. Yeah, and so it just felt really inconsequential. Really,

(01:13:40):
it just felt like it was what it was. That
didn't bother me. If anything, I was bothered how she
was like a love sick teenage rafter they slept together.
That bothered me more than that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
She slept with him, I mean, because I think that
every other part of their relationship and dynamic was fine
to me. Yeah, I think they had good sexual tension
and they had good chemistry just as like friendly banter flirtiness,
like that's fine. That was all fine to me. I
think that they had a good back and forth when
they're talking about there's like a good push and pull

(01:14:08):
when they're talking about actual work stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Again, she comes across as intelligent, capable, passionate about her job, ambitious,
all this stuff, and it makes her an attractive character.
You see why Brad Pitt's character is drawn to her
right and to have her have these moments and they're
not big. There's just a couple of small moments that
just seem inconsistent with her as a character that were
just odd to me. That again, I had more of

(01:14:33):
a problem with, like you said, the love sick sort of.
She's more infatuated than just have her be a grown
ass woman with a grown ass job who has a
friendly banter and relationship with somebody and then they had
sex ones and that's it, like and they can go.
They can still continue to work together, like it doesn't
cause any sort of drama between them and their ability

(01:14:56):
to do their jobs. Yeah, she gets upset when he
gets into his accident and stuff like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
But anybody should on the team. They exactly don't care
about each other exactly either, they should if they hadn't
slept together prior to that moment.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
I think she still would have been just as affected
because they're friends exactly, like that was. So I don't
care that they slept together. I care that they portrayed
her as her I care that her character was inconsistent.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Yeah, I care that it was inconsistent based on the
fact that she was just yeah, I didn't know. That
was just what the fuck stupid?

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Yeah? Oh oh the getting caught sleeping together. Oh yeah, yeah,
we're talking about that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Okay, this is the other thing, Like we just basically
what we just said stand on business. So they sleep together,
and then the owner of the team, like Sonny Hayes's
ex teammate, comes to the hotel room and she opens
the door, and he's like, where is he? She goes,
what makes you think that he's here? She lists all
these reasons like why she should be offended that he

(01:15:52):
even insinuated that Sonny is here.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
She's playing this like I'm how dare you insinuateor blah
blah blah, yeah, for like a couple seconds, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
She goes, he's over here. He isn't here, yeah, And
I'm like, what the fuck was that? That was just stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
It's supposed to be played for like a comedic moment,
I guess, but it just didn't. It wasn't It.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Felt honestly, it really felt like that moment, and in
a way they did portray her like by having that
character pretty much come and ruin their private moment, they
ruined her character where it really doesn't need to be
anybody's business who you're fucking or who you are having
an entanglement with as long as you know there's not

(01:16:35):
a huge as long as there's not a power dynamic there, right,
So it's like, why did he need why did anybody
need to know? Besides those two characters, like having him
come and interrupt that moment really is what sort of
put a bad light on them sleeping together, And it
just felt like why did you include that at all?

(01:16:55):
They could have just slept together and nobody knew, but
then like nobody need they else needed to reason, They
needed some another character to know that they slept together.
But I don't know why, because there's never any payoff
after that moment exactly. It never it's never a problem,
Like it's not like they're reported to HR. It's not
like it affects their performance at work.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
It's not like they're making decisions suddenly differently than they
would have because they're in some sort of entanglement. It's
not even a relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
It's just there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
They slept together, Like that's exactly. Nothing changes from them
sleeping together, because I think to me, them sleeping together
it just serves as a moment for those two characters
to connect exactly and release some tension that had been
building up until that point. But like, there's no other
thing that changes as a result of them sleeping together.
Like you said, there's no reason for any other character

(01:17:43):
to need to know because even once that character finds out,
nothing else changes. They simply had that moment in there,
I think as some sort of comedic relief that wasn't necessary.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
That's really what sort of shed a bad light on
the moment to begin with, like the fact that you
had the character acknowledge pretty much what the audience might
be thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Like why they shouldn't have been together, or that it
was inappropriate or that all that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Like, yeah, it was just unnecessary and really is what
ruined it, And it was just to have had them
sleep together and move on. We didn't need that moment
it was just stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Yeah, so hated that. Another moment that just didn't pay off.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
No, it just wasn't necessary. I mean also story pacing
wise just wasn't. Like basically, so Sonny joins the team,
he's on there, him and Joshua kind of butt heads,
and then during a race that rain, Sonny's sort of
telling the team what to tell Joshua because he his
goal is to help Joshua score points, which I found

(01:18:42):
very interesting considering Sonny seemed like the type of character
who wants to win himself, but then all of a
sudden he's helping Joshua get points, and then Joshua gets hurt,
he recks during this race, and then he's at a
commission for like three races or something like that, and
then during that time, Sonny Hayes is like killing it
with these upgrades that came from a discussion him and

(01:19:02):
Kate had about how he would like to see the
direction of the cargo. It really just didn't pay off
at how much the team had grown, how much like
they were liking each other. It was really this montage
to a song I really liked, but it didn't pay
off emotionally and didn't make me invested in the team
whatsoever because of how quickly, like there were so many

(01:19:24):
things that were focused on that just didn't matter, Like
it didn't add anything to the story, like pretty much
all those things we've already kind of been discussing. So
we also never once talked about who took Josh's place.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Yeah, he was mentioned at the beginning of the movie,
and apparently Josh had like some issue with him being
his teammate and was basically like, please anybody but him.
And then he's shown at like a press conference where
they're like gonna introduce that this reserve driver is going
to be taking Josh's seat while he's recovering from his
injuries and burns from the crash, and he's shown for

(01:19:59):
like a sex and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
He's never he's not a part of the montage where
everybody the word Sonny's like scoring points and doing what.
I'm like, what is happening? So that just story pacing wise,
Like it just was not great, Like so many moments
were focused on way too long, Like even getting Sonny
to join the team took way too long. One thing
that they did do that I liked was at the

(01:20:22):
so Sonny does tell Kate after they sleep together, and
she's all like, oh, acting on lovew on the balcony
or whatever. He Sonny pretty much says that he's searching
for this moment when he's in a car and the
rest of the world sort of disappears and he feels
like he's flying and it's just him in the car
and like nothing else can touch him, essentially, And so

(01:20:42):
later in the race after he has a pretty horrible
wreck and his vision's all fucked up, which is another
issue I kind of have, because like, that's very dangerous.
But whatever, you know, this is a movie. It's not real,
even though it's called F one. The movie based off
of real thing, you know. But that being said, at
the very very end of the movie, he essentially reaches

(01:21:05):
that state and he it's like a lap or two
left and he's leading the race because Joshua wrecked Lewis
Hamilton so we could leave the race the fuck and
he reaches that state, right, And I think that the
way that was portrayed was great. If you're a racing

(01:21:25):
motorsport fan, you may have heard of people reference something
called flow state, which is essentially like you just feel
like you and the car or whatever you're driving have
become like one and you are so in tune with
it that it's like everything else around you disappears and
you're just driving.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
You're just on it, and everything feels very natural. Everything
just comes easy like it. Obviously it's still hard work,
but it's just you're not at tension, like you're not
fighting the car. Everything is just fnow.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Yeah, it's like it's like the car is like an
extension of your body essentially. And I think the way
that they portrayed that was great. I loved that because
I feel like that was great. They represented what that
feeling could feel like, what you hear, what you see,
everything about it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
The score that the visuals, everything's kind of blurring by,
but then you do have these moments of focus from
the character's point of view. Uh, the score was great
at that point because it there's like this silence, but
there's some ambient sort of noise in the background, and
then you get this sense of like a heartbeat sort
of vibe where like my actually like felt my like

(01:22:32):
there was tension. There was like anxiety watching this moment
because you're like, oh my god, is he gonna do
it is he gonna crash? Is he gonna make it
across the line? Like I was feeling that, and it
was amping up and up, and we're reaching towards this
climax of when he wins the race, and that I
agree that was portrayed very well. I really enjoyed that
moment because I'm feeling what I think the character is

(01:22:53):
feeling in that moment.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Yeah, no, I like, I like that. So then at
the end of the movie, so Sunny wins a race
because Joshua helps him win, Lewis gets fucked that Abu
Dhabi again, and then Sonny's like, all right, well bye,
de leaves and then he drives in the desert to
go do this like desert Baja something race.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Yeah, it's like monster trucks but not. It's like rally
but not.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
It's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
So you're on sand.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
Yeah, and it was just like I'm supposed to use
It's like, I understand what they want me to feel,
but I'm annoyed because I don't feel that way because
you didn't help me feel this way. You're basically like, well,
Sonny's just it doesn't matter, like and he's like, I'm
on to the next thing now, even though he had
like plenty of opportunity to stay and to have the

(01:23:42):
career that like he kind of was robbed of like
thirty years ago. That was bizarre. That was nuts because
like literally in the very start of the movie, he's
dreaming in his van. He has a shitty van he
sleeps in at the daytown on twenty four hour and
he's having a flash nightmare slash dream of his Formula

(01:24:02):
one wreck from back in the day, and so clearly
it haunts him. Then he's approached to drive a Formula
one and he's like no, and then he does it anyway,
and then he wins a race and he helps bring
this team up and he has a fan base and
people are really liking him. He's sort of having this
moment that he was robbed of because of his accident,

(01:24:25):
and it's like, is this an affect him No, And
he's like, Okay, well, God, I had this moment by
like you would think he'd want to continue, but even
not aside basically, there's also when he does have a
really big wreck and he gets hurt or whatever, and
then his friend who is the owner of the team
becomes aware of how bad Sonny's injuries were from his

(01:24:47):
original wreck when he was an F one and how
basically he shouldn't be driving a car. It's not like
that's why Sonny stops either where he's finally made peace,
He's still racing, so.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
It's not like his bo body is preventing him from
doing it, but his mind and spirit are still willing.
It's not even like that, which would be a good
plot point because again you have the the young rookie
driver on the team and then you have the older,
more experienced guy and the way that they approach racing
is different, and like that would be again a character

(01:25:20):
motivation for Sonny Hayes, where he's like still got this
competitive I want to win. I want to like I
want to get I want to feel like I'm flying.
I want to reach that moment and I'm chasing that constantly,
but like my body is giving out again, like and
it partially stems back to the original injury I got,
you know, thirty years ago. But like that would be
a character building like moment and a character motivation sort

(01:25:44):
of moment, and we just don't like it doesn't seem
like any of it affects him, like and he again
no character growth. He's the same character at the end
of the movie that he was at the beginning of.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
The movie exactly, Like if anybody had growth, even though
it was minimal, it would be Joshua because at this
point it seems like Sonny has no option but himself,
but he doesn't care. And Joshua at least became slightly
more humbled and that by the end of it, you know,
he's approached by Toto Wolf and he's like, hey, you
have a looking for a spot, you can join Mercedes.
But then he's like, no, I'm happy where i am

(01:26:14):
and I'm like, okay, cool growth or whatever, but like
it's very minimal and comes at the very end of
the movie. It just feels like these characters have absolutely
Like especially Sonny, he never has to reflect on his
behavior ever, and but Joshua does, you know, minimal, but
he does.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
It's just boring, like ain Sonny just doesn't ever, like
you said, his character like there's nothing stopping him from
doing what he wants to do, right, so he he's
chasing that feeling of flying. That's we find out that's
his motivation for why he goes from race series to
race series, and he's chasing that moment right and then,

(01:26:59):
but there's there's nothing stopping him from doing that. So like,
what where's his conflict? What internal battle is he facing?
Because everything that seemingly could be an internal battle for him,
it just isn't. So like the stuff with his dad,
the stuff from his accident, the stuff from maybe feeling

(01:27:20):
guilt or not guilt over his teammate crashing, stuff with
this with Kate, stuff from like, no, there's no internal
because you can have internal and external sort of battles
as a character. All of this stuff seems to be external,
and that's not the interesting stuff when you're we're talking

(01:27:41):
about plot and character development. That's not the interesting stuff now.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
And what's crazy is like he eventually is like kicked
off the team before the last race because he got
hurt and he's like, I'd rather die in that car
they're not doing, so he's like fighting to be back
on the team, and then he just is for the
last race, but then he's like, all right, I won.
By none of it is consistent, Like his stance and
how he feels emotionally is nothing's consistent about it, and
it's just boring.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Before we get into how we would fix this movie. Yes,
because we have thoughts. You did have some behind the
scenes sort of like fun facts about what, yeah, it
was real like or what was scenarios in the plot
that were drawn from real life.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Yes, So in the movie, Sonny Hayes's character gets in
a really horrible I mean it's horrible, and that was
based off a real wreck that happened in nineteen ninety.
His name was Martin Donnelly, and he did he was
approached by you know, production and gave a lot of
insight and helped a lot out with this. But he

(01:28:41):
had a horror I mean literally frame by frame how
they showed in the movie is what happened to him.
Like he's literally laying in the middle of the track.
It's horrifying looking. And it happened that one hundred and
sixty miles per hour during practice at the Spanish Grand Prix,
he was driving for Lotus and his suspension went out,
which caused a violent crome where it happened exactly like

(01:29:02):
the movie. So like he's like ejected from the car,
the car breaks in half and so he's literally still
strapped to his seat. That came out of the car
because the car was ripped in half and laying in
the middle, and thankfully they were able to save his life.
But the point is that was pulled from something real
that happened, because at first you could watch it and
go brh that sing the Lord drum, No, it's real,

(01:29:24):
because that was my thought. I was not aware that
that was based off something real untill later on I
was informed that it was, and so that was like, okay,
that was an interesting way to pay like homage or holmuch.
However you say it to somebody that actually experienced this.
And the other character that is pulled and she's based
off some real people was Kate. So the actress that

(01:29:47):
played her pulled a lot of inspiration from Bernie Collins,
who is currently a Sky Sports commentator and she is
a former Aston Martin head of strategy, and so she
has a lot of influence on Kate's character. She's also Scottish,
and so that's Kate is Scottish in the movie, and

(01:30:07):
so a lot of inspirations pulled from her. Another person
that is influences Kate's character is Ruth Buscom, who is
our Girl. She is a commentator on f one TV.
She's a like strategy analysis in a way, she's she
has educated us so much on really understanding strategy under She.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
Was a former strategist for F one teams, so she
worked with Ferrari Alfa Romeo and there was somebody sour
and so she.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
Worked with them, and Bernie Collins, it looks like was
the same way. So they both had worked with strategy before,
and so it was cool to see like they did,
like they did approach a lot of people in the
sport in some way, shape or form to try to,
you know, help ground the movie. And so in Kate's character,
I could see that. You know. The thing that's funny

(01:30:59):
is you look at that and you're like, oh, yeah,
like you said earlier, I believed Kate's character. You know,
I really liked her, and it's interesting to see that
she was so heavily influenced by two important female people
in Formula one right now. You know the other thing
that we really liked that what he said was the
racing stuff and how accurate it is. Well, of course,
because Lewis Hamilton is a producer of the movie, and

(01:31:20):
he was really really hell bent on like, no, this
is the gear you should be and know this would
look like this. So that's why that's very accurate and
one of the best parts of the movie. So it
seems that the people that they did, like basically when
they included outside people into, you know, the writer's room,
or when they insulted the consultants, yes, you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Have actual real world experience in this field and know
what they're talking about. Those parts they pay off and
they really shine. So the accident that Joshua Pierce's character
gets in basically he like hits a part of the track,
his car flipped several times over the barrier, burst into flames.
That accident was inspired by two different F one crashes.

(01:32:02):
So one of them was Roman Grojon's crash that happened
in It was twenty twenty Isn't twenty twenty. It's featured
in Drive to Survive, the Netflix series, so it was
partially inspired by that where his car like flipped over
a barrier, broke into caught on fire, spread fuel everywhere.
And then the other one was Nicki Lauda's infamous crash
in nineteen seventy six.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Was it not also inspired by some F two crash
because that bitch went in the air.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Yeah, the way that it flipped and stuff was it's
it looked like you can compare thate by side, it
kind of looks that same way. But God is not
referenced in this article.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
And then what was nuts is uh, which this may
have been another thing. So back in the day, so
that happens, Sunny seas that it happens, pulls over, runs
and goes and helps.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Oh yeah, goes to check on him and like grabs
a fire extinguisher from like a Marshall track side and
tries to put out the fire.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Yeah. That may also be referencing a time where Senna
was This is back when he was like racing. There
was a driver that pretty much got into an accident
and then was knocked out, but his foot was still
on the accelerator and Senna just happened to notice it.
He pulls over and he gets out of the car
because if he wouldn't have, the car was going to

(01:33:16):
explode and probably I probably would have died. And I'm
so there are moments like that that I think are
really just kind of referencing characters or not characters, but
they're referencing like real life moments, but they're kind of
just encapsulating them in a single moment. But like we said,
moments that they clearly consulted people about were the best
moments in the film, or they developed the better characters.

(01:33:41):
I guess we can.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
We'll jump into how we would fix it. So how
would you fix it? First off, I would not make
Brad Pitt the main character. I like him as an actor.
I think his character plays a role in this movie.
I would not have made him like the main person
we follow. I would have made the Joshua Pierce's character
the main character. I think that's a more interesting story.

(01:34:05):
It's more indicative of modern Formula one. I think that
that would serve as a real like grounding moment, because
there's there's his character has moments of like you could
pull from, like Lewis Hamilton's actual real life experience of
becoming the first black Formula one driver and the only
so far like that could be. You can pull moments

(01:34:28):
from that to inform Joshua Pierce's character and what he
had to experience and go through when he talks about
in the movie experiencing like you don't know what I
had to go through and the things that I had
to do and put up with and what I experienced
to get here, that could be some of those barriers.
I'm sure, right, So we if we can talk look

(01:34:50):
at it from his perspective of coming into the sport
as a rookie and then his team's not doing great,
then they want to bring in this older super veteran driver,
which Brad Pitt is in his fifties or sixties. He's
got to be if he was driving with Senna nineties,
even if he was like twenty years old when that
happens with one of.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
My That's why when I was asking, like what year
does this movie take place? Because he's you've set him
up to be ridiculously old. If you would have at
least told me he's like supposed to be forty something
or even fifty something, I'm like the young fifties.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
It's kind of like if he was driving with Senna
in like the early nineties, he would have been maybe
let's say it's ninety ninety three if he was twenty
years old around that time. If this movie takes place
in twenty twenty three, that's thirty years later. He's minimum
fifty years old, right, so probably a little bit older
in his mid fifties. So we've got super young driver,

(01:35:44):
we've got super old Sonny Hayes coming in in his
you know, mid fifties minimum, he's at least like fifty
three fifty four somewhere around there. You get then this
dynamic of them butting heads and him having the old
school ways of trying to do things, and so at
some point he you know, imparts some wisdom like he
does in the actual movie when he's trying to teach

(01:36:05):
him about Sonny Hayes is trying to teach Joshua Pierce
about patience and knowing when to make the right move
and the right moment, Like that could have been a
thorough line throughout the movie, like you know of that
kind of stuff, and even like with if we want
to incorporate the female mechanic line, like we talked the
storyline that we talked about earlier, that could be another
teaching moment of like, but then you can also then

(01:36:27):
take the time to focus on the stuff we already
talked about with his character, of like the demands of
social media and marketing and fans and the role that
the media and their judgment of you as a driver
plays in the sport now, which is so different than
it was, you know, thirty years ago. All that stuff

(01:36:48):
could have been great and we could see then the
character development of what he's super concerned with and his
motivations at the beginning. Can he can then mature and
grow from that?

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
So I think that to fix the movie, you really
should probably focus on him as the main character.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
Yes, would Yeah, I agree. I think the movie went
wrong from the start of bringing in a driver who
has not been on the grid in thirty years, Like
you said, not only him being the main character, right,
the entire concept of him coming back at all is stupid.

(01:37:27):
It's dumb as fuck. I'm sorry, it just is. So
if you want to do this concept of an older driver,
because I understand too. I'm not an ageous person. I
don't like agism. I think if you can perform the job,
you can perform the job. Yeah, that's Alonzo Lewis love it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
Alonzo and Lewis are both in their forties.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Forties. Yeah, Lewis is forty and Alonzo's like forty four.
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
Yeah, so they're older drive. They're seriously considered a little
older end for a Formula one driver, and they're still
going strong.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Yeah, so no issue with that. But what I think
would have been a very interesting story, Let's just not
do this plot point of Let's bring back a driver
who hasn't been on the grid in thirty years and
then have him raise a rookie. That doesn't make any
sense because he has not been on the grid. The
entire environment is different. None of that makes sense. What

(01:38:15):
can he teach Joshua Nothing, Not a fucking thing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
He can teach him things from a mentality perspective, from
a mindset, from a racing spirit sort of thing. He
can teach him things about strategy, but even.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Then, not really because the way the strategy part, because
the way that they would have were doing strategy thirty
years ago, their pit stops aren't three seconds long. What
does he know about current Formula one? Not a fucking thing,
like they at least don't tell us that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
In the movie, I mean, he basically says he's been
following it, and he has been racing in other series,
so it's not like he hasn't been behind the wheel
of any sort of car for thirty years.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Yeah, it's been an endurance is one hundred percent different
than Formula one. So it's like it's not like he's
in a similar environment, but the him understanding some technology
of newer cars fair enough, because like we said, he
is an other racing series, but to act like his
knowledge and that's the other part. They're acting like his
knowledge from the nineties is relevant right now. And that's

(01:39:19):
the whole thorough.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
Line of like that character is he's rugged, old school
and he's trying to get things back to being simpler.
Everything is too much technology, it's too much relying on,
you know, all these new fangled things, and it's like, no,
you got to get back to the basics. Like that's
what his character is in this movie. And I understand
what they're trying to go for, but I agree it

(01:39:40):
doesn't work to an extent. Again, it would be more
effective if we're talking about him going from like a
mentality perspective for the driver, the more mental side. I
think that the way that it's portrayed in the movie,
and they say this that he is their Hail Mary,
he is like they have no other options for the
team in terms of like everything they've tried up to

(01:40:01):
this point has not been working, and so they need
to bring in something different and completely shake it up.
I could see that. I see where, you know, what,
what else have we got to lose by bringing in
this guy. He's complete sort of unknown quantity. Right, And
but then maybe if you don't, if you don't want
him to be brought in as a driver, then you
bring him in as a team principal or something, or

(01:40:23):
an advisor or something to that effect. Right, if you're
wanting to shake things up, you bring him in in
that role, and then he's like, forget everything you thought
you know about Formula one and for about strategy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
We're gonna if we're so dead said that the main
character has to be a fifty something sixty something year
old ex former Formula one driver, let's go that route.
I think it's a mistake either way. I think that
it's just what if, because then it's like who is
his relationship gonna be with at that point? That's like
I actually like that as a movie. But to fix
this one if the whole point of this movie is

(01:40:54):
we're gonna have these two characters that are complete opposites, right,
I think it's wrong to tray that Joshua being worried
about how the actual world of Formula one works now
as wrong. I don't. I think that's stupid. That's how
it works. So it has Sonny Hayes come in and
go all that's stupid, makes no sense whatsoever, because those
are things he has to care about, Like the racing.

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
Makes sense if it would make sense if they had
those thoughts and reactions. But then Pierce is able to
prove Sonny wrong in that it does matter.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
Like that's the thing too, is it's like it basically
like Josh is just all wrong all the time about everything,
and somehow Sonny's right about everything, which makes no sense.
And so how I would fix it is I would
have had If I'm going to keep the theme of
an older driver younger driver, I'm gonna go ahead and
have Sonny on the team. I'm gonna keep him on
the team. He's been he's the one on the team.

(01:41:49):
He's Lewis, he's Alonzo right, and they can't get shit done.
Nothing is working, and he's a jaded character. He used
to be a guy that used to take a lot
of risks, all this type of stuff, and that's sort
of what we're led to believe. But he's had like
a really just stagnant career. But he's stayed because he's consistent,
but he hasn't performed at the level that we would

(01:42:11):
have had would have expected his career to go. He's
like a Hulkenberg. Now he's like a Magnuson, you know,
he's like that. At this point, he's established. He's fine
as a driver, but he's not achieving. He's not winning
the races. No, he can get points, but that's about it. Yeah,
and now now maybe he's not getting any yeah points. Right,
he's on this team that is just total acts and maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
I mean you could even do if he was. Maybe
he's new to this team, but he's been in Formula
One for a while. And like with Lewis Hamilton, they
spent a lot of money to sign him and they're
not getting their money's worth out of him as a driver, right,
not I'm a comparison to Lewis being the lot of
money part, not that they're getting Oh my god, Oh
my god. The comparison was that they spent a lot

(01:42:56):
of money to sign him as a experienced driver. But
then the comparison to lew with ends either way. Either
he's established on this team not doing as well, or
he could be a new sign to the team, trying
to figure things out and vibe with them. Season hasn't
been going great and they're not getting their money's worth
out of him.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
So then so how I how I see it is
this guy. If you're gonna have this old, rugged character
or whatever, have him on the team, and like you said,
he's established. I think maybe he's comfortable. He's lost his passion.
He doesn't want he's not ready to give up, but
he's not as passionate as he once was. Right, we
don't know what to do. People, they find him difficult

(01:43:34):
to work with this this, and that his teammate, maybe
he's his teammate's gonna get I don't know what happens
to his teammate.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
But there's a seat open.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
There's a seat open, and I think the smartest thing
to do. That's where your rookie comes in. That's where
you bring in the rookie. You pull him up out
of F two. Go ahead and establish these feeder series
that they exist. Go ahead and establish this character.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
Or maybe he's a reserve driver or something.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
Nah for drama, he's a F two driver, and so
for the just for the dramas, for the dramas, and
so he gets pulled up, no experience. He's never even
thot a practice session before, which would be silly, but
he hasn't because this is a movie. He gets pulled up.
He is bright eyed, bushy tailed, and he is excited

(01:44:20):
as fuck, but he is intimidated and this is a
completely different world to him. And he's the perfect perfect
vehicle for us to learn what the fuck formula one's about,
because he's fixing to learn about it too, babe. That's
how you could do this movie. And then he is
going to reignite the passion of the senior driver, but

(01:44:41):
he's also going to learn from the senior driver, like
he's gonna show him the ropes, but kind of like
you know, they don't get along, they do get along
like have And also we're gonna explore the father thing
that both of their dads are dead. The senior driver
is going to find healing by fathering this rookie, and
this rookie is going to heal from having this senior

(01:45:05):
driver be this new father figure. It's fucking easy as shit.
It is not fucking rocket science. And so you have
them get points you. And now that's also how you
can explain the race weekend, all right, kid, it's media day,
it's this, it's that, And so one of the plot
points could easily be that they really have been pushing

(01:45:27):
for this senior driver to become something else, a team principle,
something else. You know, he's on his way out. It's
a fact, like people do not get to do this forever.
And I think it's an important thing to explore, Like
Sonny being able to do whatever the fuck he wants
when he wants to isn't fucking real, especially at his
age in the movie. Like it's not that I'm like

(01:45:49):
people can't do anything, but it's just a fact that
at some point it's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
At some point, the body gives out, the desire to
keep racing in that manner, gives out, and driver then
move on to what you would call like a more
advisor or senior role within the sport exactly. So they
become commentators, they call races, they become managers of younger
drivers in other series exactly, they become advisors on the team,

(01:46:15):
they become strategists on the team. It's all this like
there's a an I honestly, a lot of there not
a lot. There are several current F one drivers that
are already kind of moving into some of those avenues.

Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
Yeah, exactly, And so it's so that's easily could be
a plot point. And then the senior driver realizes, as
he's sort of like reluctantly helping this rookie get his footing,
he realizes how like, and it's also like this rookie
is talented. He is Max for staff, and he is
a Lewis Hamilton because extremely successful rookies right very young

(01:46:51):
as well. Well obviously Max was younger. But the point is,
like you have two extremely talented people, you could easily
base his character off of where the rookie is. You know,
you got to make him interesting, you got to make
him like he's there and he's intimidated, but he's also
got a really defensive exterior because of shit he's had
to deal with and feeling like he's had to deal

(01:47:11):
with a lot of it on his own because he
doesn't have his dad and he hasn't had somebody always
looking out for him, and he's really had to struggle
on his own. So he learns a lot reluctantly. Character
growth very simple, very easy. This driver, same exact thing
where he's like, Okay, fuck, I haven't seen somebody like
this in a long time. Another reason he's very jaded
is because if we're gonna go with the whole like,

(01:47:34):
where's is this? Where's another thing of contention for this
older character he had a teammate because another thing that
this that F one tried to do was really explore
the fact how dangerous this is, how dangerous like formula
one is right, and what the risk you accept as
a driver the second you get in the car. And
another way you can do that is his teammate died

(01:47:57):
and it really affected the trajectory of his career and
he hasn't really been emotionally involved or emotionally like attached
to somebody since then. Is a cliche, maybe, but it
is an easy way to tell a story and to
let these characters bond so this relationship can mean something
to both of them. Because that's the problem is the

(01:48:19):
relationship between Sonny and Joshua as it stands, means nothing
to either driver. And so it's a very easy way
to get these characters to intertwine with each other, to
mean something to each other. And then at the very end,
of the movie, you have them probably score points. I
don't think we should go for winning. I think that's
a little dramatic. But I also think that's why you

(01:48:40):
would explain, like, but it's a movie, somebody one of
them wins, right, maybe maybe the way it even happens.

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
I was gonna say, I was gonna say that even
the way it happens where you think they're gonna try
and you know, Sonny Hayes's character is trying to sacrifice
his race so that Joshua Pierce's character can win it,
and then you end up having the red flag come out,
and then it ends up flipping into where then Pierce
sacrifices his racer. Then Sonny Hayes can get the way exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:49:08):
But now it means so much more because of how
much these characters actually mean to each other.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
Now and so and I think that would even make
a greater moment for like, you know, if the way
that Pierce's character gets into his accident and then because
he's not listening and heeding the advice of the older driver,
and then Sonny Hayes's character then can get mad at him.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
Because he's like, fuck you. Only like because he's hiving uncle,
my old teammate. This happened already. There's so much more, yes,
so much more layered.

Speaker 1 (01:49:38):
That would have been so much better because then you
have actual anger and a sense of guilt and because
like you told him to do something, but he didn't
do it the way you told him to, but you
still pushed him. And then he got in his accident
and he could have died, and you have him have
the anger that the mother had. In this movie, Sonny
Hayes' character has that anger towardly and.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
So it's like these characters have to have some sort
of related, actual, layered, complicated relationship otherwise what the fuck
is the point of this? And then to wrap it
up with a bow, you literally so you know, one
of the things of this team was they're trying to
sell it. They're trying to do this. They're trying to
do that instead of them not I think someone buys

(01:50:18):
it and nobody knows who bought it until the end
of the movie, and it's the senior driver who is
now going to own the team and probably be the
team principal. And now he's going to have this driver
and that's how the movie ends, and then they're gonna come.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
And then they spent so much money on his contract
and signing him to the team. He uses all that
money to buy the major stake in the team.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Because he also isn't the one with the gambling. We're
not we don't need to do the gambling problem thing,
you know, we are having Like he's now like, you
know what, I'm ready to do this shit, and that's
what he does. And it's not hard for him to
find investors to do so because he's very consistent and
he's this that whatever right, and now he's ready to
be in that role because this whole year with this
rookie and that's I'm like, I don't know if there
should be a midfield and that's you know, rider's room stuff.

(01:51:02):
But that's a very easy way to do it. And
then at the very literally the ending scene could be
then find him in the driver that he's now very
close with. They're looking for their next driver.

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
Hm, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:18):
They're out at a go kart track, they're at an
F two race, they're out F four race, they're doing whatever.
Because that's how much trust they have. And that's a
little bit you know what that they it could have.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
It could be a character that is that we've met
at the beginning from F two that was friends or
even rivals. Could have been good if it was a
rival of Joshua Pierce's character from F two that did
really well in the F two Championship, and he could
have been like, you know what you do.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
You literally nod your head towards Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg.
That's what you do. It's that easy, and that's how
the movie ends, and that sets you up for the sequel,
and that would and then another thing, don't fucking said
it in the real world. That's stupid as fuck. I
think that was literally one of the things holding this
movie back from being anything was having it set in
real life, having it set with the actual Formula one

(01:52:04):
drivers on the grid because guess what, we never got
to talk to any of them. That was another thing
that would just kind of suck. We couldn't explore the
world of Formula one because it was truly filmed in
the world of Formula one and these the drivers aren't actors,
so it's like you it was like this little tiny
bubble was taking place, or that's where pretty much the
movie took place. Even though the world is big and

(01:52:26):
they're showing clips of the races and like the paddic
and stuff, the world still felt way too small for
us to really understand drivers. And that's another thing, you know,
one of the things that this driver, senior driver can
deal with is the fact that a lot of people
think he's washed up and needs to bounce, and other
drivers feel that way. Younger drivers feel that way. The
press all this stuff, and you really limit yourself to

(01:52:49):
what you can accomplish as a storyteller when you're trying
to make it take place in the actual world, because
it's a documentary but it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:52:59):
Yeah, So, as as a fan of Formula One, I
enjoyed all the little cameos and getting to see the
other drivers and like, but it was such the briefest glimpses,
like if you blinked, you would have missed seeing Oscar
Piastre stand next to like Brad Pitt's character. Yes, like
if you blink you would have missed it. Because I
was like, oh my god, it's askr Like it happened

(01:53:21):
so fast that I don't know that the payoff was there,
and like to justify it, you know, and again I
understand them wanting to try and ground it in the
real world of Formula One, but if you're gonna do that,
you it has to be more like it can't just
be these fleeting glimpses of drivers. But again, drivers are
not actors. They're trying to actually do their real jobs,

(01:53:41):
which is to be a driver. When all this stuff
was filmed during the actual season, So yeah, I agree.
I it was fun to get to see the glimpses
of the drivers and all the little cameos and stuff,
or you know, you get the moment where Max comes
on the radio and says that was naughty or that
was very naughty or something like that. Like that was fun,

(01:54:02):
and so I think that having those glimpses was fine,
but I do ultimately agree that it didn't add enough
when the storyline just wasn't there. And it's not like
it was a like a biopic. It wasn't like it
was a we're retelling a story that actually played out

(01:54:22):
in Formula one. It was just a it was an
alternate reality.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
A fan fiction it was, and it just it let
I personally just feel it limited what they were able
to accomplish because that's how they chose to do it,
and that's probably ultimately what is going to lead to
this movie being like a storytelling failure is because that
they were so consumed with the way that the concept

(01:54:48):
is cool, but it's not it doesn't pay off. And yeah,
so that's what I would do. That's my movie, So
don't fucking steal it. You better call.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
And how would we incorporate female characters into the movie?

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
I would just have them in it. I'm not gonna
make it a big thing. It doesn't have to be
a big thing. Like it doesn't have to be either,
Like it just doesn't have to be there.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
They can still fulfill roles of characters in the movie
and just.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
Be with to be a female mechanic, like we don't
need you. And then I would I could keep that
same plot point of the female mechanic being overlooked or whatever,
and then actually she's experience sexism from the senior driver
at that point, and it's the younger driver who's like
obviously younger and more hip with you know, how to
not be an asshole and sexist. Have him be the
one that's like, no, you can you be my mechanic?
And then once again, character growth coming the older drivers

(01:55:41):
learning from the younger driver, and so they're learning from
each other and they're like important to each other.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
And there can absolutely no romance between the younger driver
and the female mechanic none. They can just be friends
and he can like help her exactly and not be
an asshole in exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
And I just I don't know that I even need
wrote I don't. I don't think I really need romance.
And if I was going because just have a technical
director who's a woman, and it's fine. And that's the
other thing. The senior driver his whole He doesn't have
to hate just because he's sexistwards one character, that mean
he has to be sexist towards both because he's like,
ladies are smart, they're not strong. That's him, not me.

(01:56:18):
So I'm saying, it's a physical job. What the mechanics doing.
So I'm like, it doesn't have to be like people
are layered and they are complicated. We don't have to
make something so one dimensional. I mean, just have keep Kate.
No one sleeps with her, not because I had an
issue that they slept together. But I just don't think
that's an They already knew would know each other at
this point in the movie, and if anything, they could

(01:56:40):
be having a secret affair. But that just adds a
whole other thing that I don't know that is important
because I think this the beautiful part of my movie
would be there, the driver's relationship in relation to one another,
and that is what should have been the most focus
of it. Yeah, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:56:58):
Not all action movies need romance.

Speaker 2 (01:57:01):
No, And even then, even if they did sort of
have like a flirtatious thing with one another, and they
never did anything about it until he's no longer a driver,
and then at the end of the movie he could
say that they could go, so, how about that drink
or how about this, you know, And that's how it's implied.
It's implied that they're now going to explore relationship now

(01:57:22):
that they're actually not working together anymore, or at least
he's not a driver anymore. Maybe she's still gonna work
for him.

Speaker 1 (01:57:28):
Or maybe she gets a job, takes a job at
a different team or something, you know, and then he's like, well,
now that we're not on the same team, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
And it's like that could easily be something. Yeah, it's
because I'm like Toto Wolf and Susie Wolf have roles
within that world together and it's completely fine, and they're
married and have and they're whatever. I mean, granted they're
not on the same team, but I'm saying they share
the motors field. Yes, yeah, And so it's just like
there's you even had real life examples of how you
could have done this, and you didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:57:57):
Well, very easily could have been done, to the point of, like,
you don't need romance in an action movie to make
it good. Even going back to the comparison to Top
Gun Maverick, there's a romance in that movie between Tom
Cruise's character in like an old flame or whatever that
didn't even need to be there, Like I don't watch
the movie for that. I watch it for his relationship

(01:58:17):
with his best friend's son exactly, Like that's what makes
the movie so like, you don't have it doesn't need
to be there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:58:24):
So it's like, and if you're going to that's how
I would have done it. I would have had them
be They've been very close for a long time. They've
never explored it because they respect their boundaries, and you know,
let's just go ahead and lead into the crowd who
was not happy that they work together. Fine, I don't
have a problem with it. I understand it could be
a problem fair enough right now that they don't just
imply it that's it, And I think that's literally how

(01:58:46):
you fix it. You just redo the whole thing. Actually, So,
final ratings.

Speaker 1 (01:58:51):
For the actual F one, the movie that not how
we would have fixed it. Our movie would have the
way we fixed it would have been ten out of ten.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
Oh yeah, ten out of ten helmets.

Speaker 1 (01:59:02):
Yeah. So, but for the actual F one, the movie
that exists, what would be your final read?

Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
We're going to do ten out of ten or we're
going to do five out of ten?

Speaker 1 (01:59:11):
Okay, how many helmets out of ten?

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
Four? Four out of ten helmets? I agree because I'm like,
five's two generous because the only thing I liked about
it was the music and the action scenes, which I
didn't get enough of. So yeah, four out of ten helmets.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
I agree. So four out of ten helmets for this one.
Let us know what you thought in the comments. Let
us know if you saw the movie. I want to know,
if you, specifically, if you are a woman, how you
felt about the portrayal of the women in this movie.
If you actually saw the movie, did you care? Did
you not care? Did you think it was over hyped

(01:59:47):
in the media and on social media? Did you think
it wasn't that big of a deal. I really would
like to know your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
Yeah, let us know in the comments below, and let
us know how many zero out of ten helmets you
think the if he has If you saw it, okay,
well we will holler actually next time. Bye.

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