F1 Italian GP Race Review | Verstappen Smashes Records as Papaya Rules Return - Why Are You Yelling?

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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
All right?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Three?

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Two? What? Actually? And we're live. I'm Mana and I'm Jessica,
and this is why are yelling? Welcome back to another
F one race review. Today we are talking about round
sixteen of the twenty twenty five Formula One season. The
Parelli Grump Grim Premeo did Talia huh at the Auto

(00:50):
Dromo Nationale. Manza got through that he did it. Overall
thoughts of this race, huh.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
First of all, I contemplated going and buying some clown
costumes from Spirit Halloween because I was like.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Little going on one. He did okay, he did good.
I'm made it some places. Yeah, he was feeling himself
at the track. You know, yeah, you know he was
like good pit stop boys, Like he was all like.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Good attitude, excited whatever, And I was like, okay, but
you know, I'm not mad at all because.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Did he get the memo that everyone was like, you're
being a little Demie downer. I mean you to pick
up that attitude a little bit, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Maybe he may have just been afraid, like I don't
want to be.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
A TechEd or to be I have to be nice
while we're in Italy.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah. So yeah, I was super happy because I'm going
to get into the race podium and our winner, huh
was a Max Verse do do Do do yes and
then followed by Lando Norris and Oscar Piastree Let's go. Yeah.
I definitely think this felt like last year, like last

(01:59):
year's Red Bullsuit situation, or like earlier in the year.
I just am like he was like seventeen seconds ahead
of everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
He was killing like Max was on another planet this weekend,
like just I mean, we're setting records, qualifying records, we're
setting fastest race like race like full racetime completion records.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'm sitting here like that should be McLaren arguably with
with having the best car so obviously at this point
in time. You know what I never in my life
want to hear again, It's the car. It's the car
because you know what, babe, you can put What I
mean to say is you can't just put any driver
in the best car in the world and they're going
to be the best.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Because Max Verstappin is going to be on ass.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Because maxiver Stappin is arguably the best in the world
and is not in the best car in there. He
is in your mirror, given you nightmares.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
I think Max is just so fearless about like attacking
the track in terms of like identifying where he can
make improvements. Yeah, and he just like the latest on
the brakes all the time, and he's not afraid to
make the move and go for it and just commit
to it because he trusts himself.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
You know another driver who's known to be very late
on the breaks who was also a world champion is
our other fave, Lewis Hamilton. That is something I saw
Charles said a few I don't know, maybe a month
or so ago, where he was like they were, he
was comparing their data and he's like Lewis is like
the teammate he's had that. He's like, he just is
so late on the brakes, and I'm like, that's how

(03:32):
they're made. They're built different. But so our constructor standings
nothing's changed, literally not a So McLaren is still leading
in Ferrari, Mercedes, so on and so forth. We did
have some changes in the driver standings though. We had
Alex Alban he went from eighth to seventh, go Isaacajar

(03:53):
went from tenth to ninth, fun and Gabrielle Bordoletto went
from eighteenth to sixteenth. Okay, so we had two rookies
move up, and then Alex just he's like, I'm here, Yeah,
I'm here. I expected more from Williams this weekend, but
I know we'll get into that.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I was ready. Oh we talked about last time, how
we were just like we forgot everything. I was ready
this weekend. I was up, I had my hat. I
was like, let's go bear. We weren't sleepy, Nope, I
was awake. And then I was just trying to get
everything set up.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I was just very excited.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I was like, Okay, we're back, Yeah, we're back. I
just needed a recep.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
I was excited for this race too. This morning. I
also woke up and was like, I'm ready, let's go.
I even sent you a video of me looking very
disheveled with waiting for my coffee to finish brewing, and
I was like, I think I referenced the Is it
Kevin James? Is that the guy's name? So, the actor
from King of Queens. There's a very iconic video of him.

(04:53):
I believe it's a NASCAR race where he says, gentlemen,
star Jos. He's very dramatic it and like over the
top and it's so good. And I did an impression
of that for you. Yeah, and I was, I was like,
I was feeling it. So I was very excited about
this race. And it was really exciting at the beginning,

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and then it was a little sleepy time, a little bit,
a little bit of a snoozer in the like middle
the first half. I would say, like maybe the like
within fifteen twenty laps of the first half like that,
it was Yeah, but then it got kind of interesting again.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, the midfield was trying to keep it interesting too.
It was just yeah, I enjoyed it. I was, I was,
I mean, and you know, Maxquaal he got pulled and
I was like, yes, yes, And then I didn't I
expect him to put up a fight. I didn't expect
him to keep it, you know, which I was kind
of going off last weekend, you know, and so seeing

(05:51):
him just be like he's so, I was like.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, I do know. They were saying that this is
a low downforce track, yeah, and McLaren has been very
strong at all the high down Force tracks, and so
for whatever reason this weekend, they just did not have
the speed on the streets to really which is interesting
because they've had the speed on other tracks on the
streets to overtake. So I don't know, but they just

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couldn't keep up with Max or you know, really if
they made a move trying to keep it and stuff
like that, Like there was not just a battle between
Max and Lando trading places at first and second the
first couple laps, but then we also had Oscar and Charles.
Oscar was like I'm not letting this go, like I'm
gonna fight you. They was like swapping places every other second.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
You're just like, ah, yeah, I expected more from Charles
once that happened, and then it kind of just fell apart.
I mean, he kind of just at that point was
that was pretty much the most exciting part of his race.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
He just didn't have the again, he didn't have the
speed to keep up with the McLaren's and so he
was putting up a fight initially where he could, and
then it just he wasn't able to do much after that.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
So yeah, well it's time for your favorite part.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Fun facts. I love my fun facts. So this was
the fastest World Championship Grand Prix in F one history,
which I previously mentioned. That's the record that Max set,
So it is subject to final results confirmation, but maxistappen
one with an average speed of two hundred and fifty
point seven oh six kilometers per hour, which is roughly

(07:23):
one point five five sorry, which is roughly one hundred
and fifty five point seventy nine to one miles per hour.
That was his average speed average speed of one hundred
and fifty five miles an hour. Do you know how
fast you have to be going one hundred fifty five
miles per hour roughly on average throughout the.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Whole You know how fists you have to go to
one hundred two five miles per hour?

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Oh my gosh, meaning I know Like there's certain because
there's certain tracks where you can see, like on the streets,
if they're going as fast as they can even with DRS,
they might get up to close to two hundred miles
an hour. But then sometimes when they're breaking into these corners,
it's they're going all the way down to you know,
sixty to fifty forty miles an hour depending on the
track and everything. So like keeping that kind of stuff

(08:05):
in mind in perspective, there's a reason they call Manza
the Temple of Speed.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Yah. Yeah, it's the fastest truck on the count like
overall over the whole lap.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, you're not slowing down that much.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Now, I mean eighty percent of the lap you're at
full throttle. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
So it was nuts. So the total race time was
one hour thirteen minutes twenty four point three two five seconds,
and that was set by Max in this race. The
previous record for like total race time from lights out
to the winner crossing the finish line, the previous record
was set at Manza by Michael Schumacher for Ferrari in
two thousand and three at one hour fourteen minutes nineteen

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point eight three eight seconds. So Max beat the previous
record by almost a minute.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
And uh, this is only the second time the fastest
race record has been broken in the last fifty four years.
So Michael Schumacher broke it in two thousand and three
and then Max for Stefan did it this year in
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
That's insane.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
And so Max has won twice in Italy this season,
so he previously won at EMMA and it was his
third win of the season and his sixty sixth career victory.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Wow, yep, it was.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Nice, Like I kind of got a little like look
I got It wasn't emotional, but I was very happy
to see Max on the podium because he hasn't been
there like all the time. It's like nice when you
see the change up, you know, It's like even though
a couple of seasons ago he was just even last
season it was like almost it was like, can we
get somebody else up there? It's like, you know, no,

(09:38):
it's nice to see Max up there. He's so he's
so happy when he wins. He's like he's a good celebrator. Yeah,
Max Restaffin is good at celebrating his wins. He's always
so happy. He looks like no matter how hard or
easy the win was, he like is always running up
to his team and jumping in their arms and like
super excited, and he's always happy on the podium and.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
He's a good person. So with which is what we
said last time? And then I had I had joked
and I was like, it's Max and the two McLaren
boyce who probably aren't that happy. How great is this
gonna be?

Speaker 1 (10:07):
And then I'm like the camera didn't focus that much
on the celebration like it did, and I was like, yeah,
when they bringing the mood down, a bunch of downers
over there for real. Uh So, this was Max's third
Manza win in the last four years and he is
the driver the first driver to win from pol At
Manza since twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Wow. McLaren's Landa Norris took P two and has finished
second in all of Max ver Stoppin's Grand Prix victories
this year.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
It is all three.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah. It is the seventh time he has finished second
this season and he's had five wins. Uh So, Landon
Norris has closed the championship gap to thirty one points
behind teammate Oscar Piastre. He uh, that was.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
I actually think McLaren did the right thing. I know everybody,
not everybody, but some people have had some things to
say about it, and I was like, no, I mean
I get it, I understand it.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I think I see the argument either way. Yeah, I
say it either way. I don't think that it was
I think it is what it is. It was either
Joyland or Wan Pablo that said this on the F
one TV broadcast, But they made the point that it
wasn't as if the pit stop was slow because of
a mistake that Lando made. It's not that he overshot
or undershot his box. It's not that he made a

(11:29):
mistake entering or exiting the pit lane. It's not anything
he did. It was purely on that one mechanic and
something was going weird with the thing that gets the
the drill. That yeah, something was going on with that
tire and the drill, and that delayed the pit stop.
So it's not as if Lando made a mistake, which

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in that case, if he's the one that caused the
mistake to then delay the pit stop or cause it
to be long, then by all means like don't swap places.
But it's an unfortunate. It's just unlucky that one member
of his pit crew did something wrong and it caused
that issue, and it would have been I think it
would be different if, and again this came up last time,

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in the last race. It would be different if there
was a third competitor, you know, that wasn't part of
their team fighting in the championship, the driver's championship battle.
If Max were Stappen, or if it was George Russell
or one of the Ferraris were closer in points and
making it a three way battle, if there was an
opponent to McLaren that was in the championship fight, I

(12:37):
think it's a different story. Yeah. Uh. And if one
of their if one of McLaren's drivers was clearly higher
in points. Again, they're trying to prioritize making sure that
you know, an opponent doesn't get that Driver's Championship win.
McLaren doesn't care which one of the drivers wins the
Drivers' Championship. McLaren as a whole, it is just like,
as long as we get one of them and so,
but it's a different it's just a different thing when

(12:59):
it's they don't they're like they're getting a two three
finish this race either.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Way, Oh for sure.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah, it's all about what the implications are in their
driver's attitudes leaving this race. Yeah, and it's kind of
unfortunate because you've got you get Oscar Piastre, who's kind
of like, it's not my fault that his pit stop
went wonky.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
But it also wasn't see it's not Orlando's fall either.
But then you I do think, but it has been,
it happens, But I think too. You know Oscar's first
win last year, it was the same exact situation or
a similar situation but opposite. And so it's like, you
can't forget that we had.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
To harken back to Hungary last year.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well because it was a similarish thing where I mean,
granted it wasn't really that the team. It was just like,
you know, a mechanical issue. But either way, I'm like,
I think.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I thought we already squared that situation last season when
they were like, remember that they did this for you,
so you got to do it for them. I thought
we we equalled it out last season, So why are
we still like, remember when this happened, you owe him?

Speaker 2 (13:58):
And it's like, I don't know that a situation that's
that similar has come up since that one though, like
this was like so like not the exact same, but
it was practically the same.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
But I think the and to be fair, at last
season it was about the win, right, it was they
were racing for the win in both scenarios when it
was like give the position back or do it for
your teammate whatever. So it's that they're racing for the
win there. This is they're racing for P two and
P three.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
So well yeah, but now they're fighting for the driver's championship,
So now I mean it's going to be one of them,
and now it's more like, okay, well I need every
single point, you know. Like that's so I kind of
get where It's like if I was Lando, I would
have been furious. I mean he was. He didn't say
he did not say a word. That's why I was
waiting for some sort of nothing. He didn't say a word.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Because you gotta imagine he also feels like.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
He's already screwed because of last race.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Well even just the case of like you never want
to feel like a win or a position was handed
to you in terms of like a technicality or someone
moving out of the way, like because it doesn't feel
like you've really earned it, and it puts a little
bit of like a bitter sweet I mean, same thing
with like we said Oscar and Hungary last year. It
was a case of like there's a bittersweet tinge to
it where it's like I didn't really outright yeah, you know,

(15:17):
earn it. But then also it's just a really crappy
situation overall. But uh, my favorite radio of the day
was Max. Oh my god. After the race and they
were explaining to Max on the radio that the McLaren's
swap plays and Max just started laughing and he was
like what just because he had a slow pit stop,
they swat Like Max would never that could not be him.

(15:39):
He's like, if that happened to my teammate, sorry about
it to Turkey.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
I don't know that he knew, or maybe or I'm
sure GP knew, But I mean, first of all, it
was just funny how long the messages were. Max is
like seventy seconds ahead, and he's like ha ha what
in him and GP are like analyzing it together, talking
is mad.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
And they're having the little girl talk.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
But it's like it wasn't just a slow like pit stop.
It was like literally like I mean, it was just
I guess really was just a slow pit stop. But
it's kind of like yeah, but it was like we said,
it was anything that Orlando actually did, which most of
the time it's not really. So that's why you know,
Oscar he's like, hmm, well, I thought, like, you know,
pit stop's part of the race. But whatever, I guess
I do think he had if the you know, he

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had more pace because I mean Lando was sort of
the better McLaren over the whole weekend. Anyway, there was
enough time there. I mean they had a few laps,
like what four or five laps at that point. If
he had the pace in the car, I mean he
was like only a second and a half at that point,
if it.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I mean, Lando barely came out behind Oscar. If I
remember right after that pit stop, the slow pit stop
was slow by just barely a hair to where he
just came out behind Oscar. And that's where you're like, ooh,
so yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I'm saying Oscar, I mean at that point, if he
was like he just had more pace, he had a
few laps to try to attack and that's why they
were like, you listen, you're free to race after you swap.
And you know, whether he just was like whatever or
if he tried like about I don't know, but yeah,
that was that was a little messy.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
I just love maxis sass. I'm like, ha, just because
of this low fit stop they swap places. He's like
what he goes ill? Okay, couldn't be me. That just
got me so good. I love sassy Max. I do too. So.
Speaking of Oscar Piastre, he got pay three. That was
his lowest finish since Canada, which was six races ago.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
It was his thirty fourth consecutive points finish in a
Grand Prix, the third longest in history behind a Max
Forstappan with forty three and Lewis Hamilton with forty eight. Wow.
The top three finished in grid order for the first
time at Manza since twenty ten.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, I remember they were talking about that.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
They made a point on the broadcast that, uh, for
all the battling at the beginning of the race, we
had lots of swapping back and forths and people at
hacking and the cars were also on top of each
other for the first several laps, but I think we
got like ten or fifteen laps in and it was
the same. The top five were in the same order.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Starting order exactly, and I was like, oh, okay, well it
was all they were all biting and then that was it.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, they were kind of like nipping at each other's
heels and like kind of back and forth, back and forth,
shuffling around. But uh yeah, with Charles Leclair finishing in
P four, a Ferrari finished a fourth at Monza for
the fifth consecutive year. So last year would have been
Signs finishing fourth because Charles Leclair white losh, Yeah, that's right.
Leclair is the highest driver in the championship without a

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win this season. And fifth, Yeah, finishing P five was
George Russell driving for Mercedes, and Mercedes finished fifth at
Monza for the third year running, so they liked that position.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
I guess they like it right there.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah. Lewis Hamilton finished P. Six. It was the lowest
Ferrari finished at Manza since twenty twenty one, when Carlos
Signs finished in P. Six.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, Like he did a good job climbing back up.
I mean if he was if he would have been
able to like start where he qualified. Who knows, maybe
he at least could have been P five, who knows,
at least maybe him in try I don't know, but
I'm like, he was almost right requalified. I mean, so, yeah,
he did fairly well.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
He did what he could do. Yeah, and we already
spoke a little bit about this earlier. But he just
seemed an overall sort of better mood this weekend. Maybe
the I don't know, the break did him good, or
he's kind of got his mind a little bit better.
Maybe it was all the Ferrari love it Manza. I
don't know, he just seemed in a better mood.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I wonder if there's just so much responsibility to feel
like man like I was hoping I was gonna come up,
come to this team and we were just gonna win
and you know, finally win something. You know, finally, when
the constructors are finally win a drive, you're gonna make
a real difference. And then when you feel like you're not,
like maybe you feel like you're failing them. And then
I'm like, maybe going to Manza and getting the reception

(19:58):
he got where they or just they just love him,
and maybe that is kind of re energized him to go, Okay,
it's okay. You know they you know, they're in it
for the long haul. Ferrari fans are in it for
the long haul. So maybe that just helped him go okay, I.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Feel a little more securely attached to this relationship.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yea, feel a little more secure. Maybe it's like, okay,
you know, being I need to be in it for
the long haul too, like, okay, they.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Don't all hate me, like it's not I'm not the
devil who came in and ruined the team.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
I know we were.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Already there, Lewis, who was already a clown car before
you showed up. Just come on in, jump in the
car with us, come along for the ride.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
So Alex Alvin finished in p seven and has scored
at Manza every time he has raced here for Williams.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Good job, Alex.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
He moved past Kimmy Intonelli and into seventh in the
Driver's Championship, which you mentioned earlier. Williams have has scored
eighty six points this season. They scored eighty four points
in the previous seven seasons combined.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Yeah, so they scored more points in a single season
with Alex Alvin and Carlos Sins than they have in
the previous seven seasons combined.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
You know, though, how long has James VAL's been there,
only like two years. That man's got a plan. Yeah,
that is a man with a plan.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
I mean he went to the Toto Wolf school of
running a Formula One team, so I mean he was
Toto's like right hand man.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yes, and I mean I think he knows like all right,
like I want to be in it for the long
haul of my drivers.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
I think Mercedes is really good at cultivating a positive
environment for their drivers. It seems well, at least the latter.
I can't really speak for you know, Lewis and Miko
in twenty sixteen, but you know later and I think
probably learned a lot from that. I think that's probably
another reason maybe they really were like we're getting a
number one or a number two, because they are like, listen, MacLaren,
do you do you daw? But when we had two

(21:53):
number ones it wasn't fun, not fun.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
No.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
So yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Think that we've talked about this before, I think, but
it is very refreshing to see James VAL's like his
commitment to Williams like that long term game plan that
he has and to the drivers because I think, you know,
in the last couple of seasons, we've gotten very used
to seeing teams be kind of cavalier with their drivers
and swapping them out. It's just a cog in the
machine and they don't really it's you don't perform, We're

(22:20):
going to the we're doing the red Bull style of
just like cutthroat with your drivers, and that can work
in certain instances, but I feel like if you're trying
to re establish and build something up, like you can't
do it by just trying to swap people out every
other time they do something wrong. Like it's not how

(22:41):
you develop a team or like a culture or you know,
people buying into something like you can't do that with
like fear of losing your job, right, and so like
it's just really refreshing to see that long term commitment
and like sticking by their drivers. And you know, I
just I'm a James val supporter. I see the vision

(23:01):
JB as they say, yeah, we got it, so kickers.
Gabrielle Bordoletto took P eight for his fourth points finish
in the last six Grand Prix.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, he's done really well. They got that upgrade and
he's able to squeeze something out of it.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
So yeah. And this was the best sober finish at
Manza in the hybrid era.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah nice. Yeah. So again, Gabrielle is.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Prodigy and we said it's your prodigy. Is time to
start prodigy and he said, okay, yes ma'am. He's like,
I got you done.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
So yeah. They and they asked him about, you know,
his recent string of just success and improvement stuff, and
he said it was down to there was an upgrade
they had earlier in the season that really worked, and
they said they had one small upgrade after that that
really helped a lot too, and since then it's just
that's where all the progresses come from. Yah. And so
it's like, oh, so he's not just a crab driver,

(23:54):
it's really the car. It's like, give him a little
bit of juice and watch him go.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
No, I know, like I was, I'm remader to see
Hulkenberg more up there too. Yeah, but yeah, that was
good on Gabby.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Kimmi Inton Elliot finished p nine for Mercedes. That was
his best result since finishing on the podium in Canada
six races ago, Kimmy has been struggling. We said, you know,
the last several races. I think he could have done
more this race, but there was a lot of talk
about obviously he's so young and it's this rookie season
and the pressure of another is his second home race

(24:30):
of the season. He's from Italy, so feeling some of
that pressure. They said it could have gone one of
two ways. Either being in the home race would have
a calming effect on him and like kind of put
him in a good zone to like push and achieve more.
Or it was gonna like just the nerves would be
all over the place and he wouldn't he would be
like afraid to go for it. And so I mean,

(24:52):
I think he probably could have done a little bit more.
Was a little hesitant in some places, but overall, I
mean points finish where he actually finished it. Yeah, the
races is good enough.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
He should well he crossed the line at p. Eight,
but he got that penalty with Alix album and then
you know made in p. Nine. So I'm like, you know,
gotta quit with these mistakes, like little tiny mistake because
they caused you, you know, unless you're listen you know.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
That max seconds ahead.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
You keep it tight, you know. But he's a rookie. Yeah,
he's a baby.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
So with P ten, Isaac Hadgyar scored the first racing
bulls point at Manza since twenty twenty two. Yeah, good
on Isaac, he did good. Yeah. So that is the
end of our fend. That really yeah feels shorter. I know,
well it was short area. It was only like a
page and most of the fun facts were they scored
in this position last time, yay, and they scored this

(25:46):
position this time.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Fun So something I I was actually okay. So you
saw the incident with Carlos Science and Baarnment, right. I
was surprised Allie got the penalty because when we were
watching it, I'm like, what are you doing? So that was.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Who was ahead?

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Well, all Carlos was going to pass Ali, but they
were doing it at that uh huh you know that
h cane and I just kind of was like that
felt whatever. I feel like I thought that was Granted,
I'm not a steward, so clearly I just looked at
it wrong and maybe I only I only saw one
angle of it. I guess I just kind of thought

(26:27):
that was when I saw it. I thought that was
Carlos's fault.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, I mean if you're the car ahead and they're
not alongside, but they have to be alongside and your
front axle or rear axle something like that, I forget
which it is, but they have to be alongside at
a certain position. But I'm always like, well, if you're
the car ahead going into the corner, you have the
ride away basically in the other car if they.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Hate that rolling a way because I'm like yeah, But
at the same time, you know there's a car beside you.
You know that they're gonna have to stop too, and
if you don't really even give them the change, you
just cut in front of them. Like it's kind of like, yeah,
you were ahead by the time you got to the corner,
but at the same time, like.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
The other car has to back out. I just was like,
and there's always you know, you have to leave a
cars with or whatever. And I'm just saying, wow, so yeah,
I'm not a steward.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
I don't know. I don't know, but yeah, I'm just
a girl.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
I don't know anything.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
We're talking about.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
So that was something that was like, oh okay, and
uh something else that. Okay, you did you hear the
people boo Landa when he went to the podium, m
M so I thought like, when we're watching, you know,
you know, Lando runs up. I was like, I swear
to god, someone's there's some people booing. And then later
on social media people were.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Like they booed, and I was like, dude, they did
to be fair. In Italy, it's a sea of red.
I agree, But those big freaking Ferrari flags, no, but
they sang Max's song.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
They know the Ferrari hates the Fari.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Fans hate McLaren us excluded, but like those hardcore Ferraris
are like as long as anyone but McLaren wins.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
They're like, why yeah, McLaren.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
I guess because they're the lead in the Constructors, or
maybe they're the most rival to Ferrari this season. They
hate them, I guess, or overall I think I think.
I don't know, I don't know. This was discourse online.
I'm again not a McLaren hater. I like Oscar and
Lando just fine. I think Zach Brown is a character.

(28:28):
Andrea Stella is fun. I love his accent, So all right.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Lewis Hamilton she said Andrea Stella, and like people come
back from a vacation from Mexico and they ca Mexico. Okay,
you says like, of course anyway, Yeah, I don't like

(28:55):
I don't like that. That's me.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah, But basically because the the Ferrari.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Nobody Bush, nobody Oscar when he walked out. Okay, okay,
then I don't.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
I don't know I'm trying to. I'm a I'm a
Ferrari fan. Apology.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Stop being mean? You booing Lando Norris doesn't make Charles
or Lewis any higher. It doesn't magically put them on
the podium. Don't be ugly. That, don't be stop being ugly,
doesn't do that.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
As my mama says, if you ain't gotten nothing nice
to say, shut up. Yeah, she says it much nicer
than that, but I was paraphrasing, I.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Like that, shut up, dang ugly like that.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Don't like it.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
What happened with Hulgenberg, I don't know. He just was like,
are you kidding?

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Okay, he had he didn't even start the race. Yeah,
they were doing like the formation and there was something
going on and they called him into the pits. And
I think they were going to try to swap something
out and do a pit lane start, but ultimately he
just retired the car. That sucked. So for Hulkenberg, it
says that according to an article on motorsport dot com,
it says that it was a head draw issue with
the new the new Ferrari power unit and they said

(30:05):
that so Niko was supposed to start P twelve, which
I mean he was in a good position to get
some points for the team, but that technical issue happened
during the formation lap. It was the final fire up
on the grid, and they said they tried to do
what they could on the grid, but basically the that

(30:28):
they can't really get to the problem to fix it
because the cars are so complicated and it's like buried
in there.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
So, and that was coming from the team principal Jonathan Wheeley,
but he was basically like, there was not really anything
we could do technical issue with the power unit, so
he had to retire the car, which is really sucky.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, that sucks.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
We didn't really talk about. I'm trying to see who
we didn't talk much about. George Russell.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Have an anonymous say a lot of the people were
kind of anonymous.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
I mean you Gi was trying to make something happen.
He started P ten, p nine somewhere around there. I'm
not sure.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
I know he had contact with somebody if was it
lost in always this guy, always this guy, and then
it was a stroll in Oconn. Had a moment together.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, some stuff happened in the back of the grid
that didn't really end up mattering much. Franco Cola Pinto.
Where has he been all season? What Franco, what's going on?
My guy? Come on? Yeah, just some kind of anonymous. Yeah,
Fernando Alonso had a DNF Oh yeah, yeah, we didn't
talk about him. So he had a moment where he

(31:35):
went over the curb and it messed up his suspension,
and so he like you can see they even slow
mode that moment where he's like over the curb, and
they were saying there was problem in order for that
hitting the curb and riding the curb like that to
basically break his suspension, it probably already had damage from

(31:57):
something else. There's probably already some sort of crack or something,
because they're like these cars can get a little bit
banged up and still be okay. So for it to
completely break the suspension like that. There was probably some
damage already. Yeah, that was just very disappointing. I hate
to see Helonzo not in the race, so that was
not great. I'm trying to think, was there Yeah, yeah,

(32:18):
it was lost and Yuki, but I mean they still
they continued the race. I was just I don't know,
it was there were like moments, but nothing really came
of them. M hm. Similar to the beginning of the race.
They was like kind of seemingly exciting, but it didn't
really ultimately change Yeah anything.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
No, I mean I was disappointed with the Ferrari pace
because I thought that they seemed kind of promising and
then you know, Lewis did fairly well at the start,
you know, gain some positions and then but it just
was kind of both of them are sort of sort
of anonymous towards the end.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
You know, I'm kind of happy it was a shorter race,
like it was only a little over an hour, wasn't
the full hour half I'm used too, So we wrapped
it up pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, I mean, that's fix him to be what happens here? Yeah, well,
since we've pretty much covered all the big.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Parts, we're like, what else do we can we possibly
talk about Google.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Support, you know what, That's fine, so we will talk
about our rookie So we will get into our rookie report.
Kimmy Antonelli, he qualified seventh and he finished ninth, so
two pointsoo. Antonelli's home race in Italy started poorly with
heavy wheel spin that dropped him down the order. He
recovered with some solid overtakes and showed some good pace

(33:35):
on the medium tire, but his battle with Albin for
seventh went wrong. He was penalized for forcing Albin off,
which dropped him from P eight to P nine at
the flag. Despite the setback, it was still his best
finish since Canada in June, and he took positives from
improved qualifying an overall pace. So he did better. But
we can do better than that, Kimney.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Isaac Kajar he qualified sixteenth and he finished tenth, so
one point. Hajar started from the pit lane after taking
a newer power unit and ran the hard tires. The
strategy did pay off. He avoided the chaos around him
and he showed strong pace in clear air and climbed
steadily through the field. He finished in the points turning
a frustrating qualifying into a rewarding recovery drive. Yeah. Neither

(34:20):
of the racing bulls did well in qualifying, so not
a good qualifying session for either. Franco Colopinto. He qualified
eighteenth and he finished seventeenth, so no points. It was
a pretty tough weekend for Alpine and Colopinto, who lacked
page throughout. He ran a conventional medium tire strategy, but
locked up and ran wide at one stage, ultimately finishing seventeenth.

(34:43):
Despite the struggles, he focused on gaining experience and preparing
for better results in the coming races. So, like we said,
hate to sound ugly, but pretty uh unremarkable.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Damn unremarkable. I have no remarks. Yeah, remarks we made anonymous.
Sorry bud Ali Beharman. He qualified eleventh and he finished twelfth,
so no points. Bearman showed aggression in the midfield fight,
but overstepped when battling Carlos Science. After being passed on
the strait, he dived down the inside and contact sent

(35:17):
both into a spin. The incident earned him a ten
second penalty and two more penalty points on his license,
leaving him just too shy of a race ban without
the clash, he felt points had been possible, so all
he gotta watch it. Gabrielle Bordoletto he qualified eighth and
he finished eighth, so four points yay. Bordoletto delivered another

(35:38):
strong performance, scoring his third points finish in the last
four races. He defended well against Alonso early on, only
losing out to him in the pit stops, and came
home eighth despite a slightly slow stop. It was a
consistent and productive weekend that added more valuable points for
both him and the team. Liam Lawson he qualified twentieth

(35:59):
and he finished fourteenth, so zero points. Lawson started from
the back and took a gamble on soft tires, but
the strategy didn't come together. He tangled with Sonoda midway
through the race and later got stuck behind cars on
fresher tires, which cost him a shot at points despite
the pace in the car. He left Italy empty handed

(36:20):
and frustrated, determined to bounce back in Baku.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
And we move on to our favorite rookie, Fernando Alonso.
He qualified ninth and he did not finish the race.
He has a DNF so no points.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Alonzo was running strongly and jumped Bordoletto in the pit
stops with a perfectly timed strategy, but his race ended
in disappointment when a suspension failure forced him to retire.
It marks his fourth DNF of the season, a tough
blow after showing competitive pace and a real chance of points.
So disappointing. But it's all right, Alonzo, you'll get it.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Every weekend, you'll get him.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Mexico, you'll get him. We believe in you. You're gonna
get that podium. M hm. So we can move on
to our best and worst segment. But Driver to day
is Max for Steven, so is mine? Sorry, like you're know,
first out obviously has.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
To be Max. Oh yeah, for sure. There's no other options,
no other tru No one else really did enough no
with their drive to qualify for driver. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
I mean he's just exactly, He's super Max.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
He's the dude dude to do.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I mean, he made Italy go Do Do Do Do,
like you could hear through the TV.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
So I wonder how if he ever is like he
I got my own the song in there, it's like
my theme song, or if he just is always kind
of a little like uncomfortable by it. It feels awkward.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
It secretly has to love it, right a.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Little bit like it maybe it could get a little
annoying or like a little like Okay, you just kind
of got to let people be excited and have their
moment to do the thing. But you're kind of just like, okay,
do we really have to do the whole Nah? Well,
if you're just walking down the street trying to go
to dinner and the people are new to do it
at you. But but then there's a little party of

(38:09):
those kind of like that's right, you're like, yeah, that's
my song. You know, you know who I am exactly.
My biggest let down is Alonzo's DNF. So Aston Martin
let me down, not really because nobody really let me down,
per se of like I mean, yeah, Kimmy got a penalty,
all they got a penalty, suspension cracking in half. But
that just that was a disappoint I don't even know

(38:30):
if a suspension can crack in half. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
It just it failed. Yeah, so it just broke, it broke.
So yeah, that's my biggest let down is Alonzo's DNF.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
My biggest let down is McLaren These freaking papaya rules.
I we already talked about. You can kind of with
their rule for Lando and Oscar to swap places back,
you can kind of make the argument and see it
from either side. I'm just annoyed that we're put in
this position with these two drivers to begin with. And
I get there's a certain level of harmony you have

(39:02):
to keep within the team, and really with this sort
of call, no one's really happy all the way around,
And I get it was just an unfortunate pit stop.
It happens, yeah, But I just I don't. I'm maybe
I'm just too I'm cutthroat when it comes to being
competitive and competition because if i'm Oscar a little, I'm

(39:25):
a little more of the Max First staff In school
of thought of like fuck you, no, it's part of
the race. So what pit stops happen? If I was
an opponent like this was not be like even a
question like what are we talking about here?

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah? I mean I think, well, I think if you're
on the receiving end, no matter what, you're gonna feel
that way, you know. But I get if it's the
other way around, you're sure they're gonna be like you're
gonna be like, h give it.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Back.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, I get earned it the entire time. Give it back.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
It's not my fault. Yeah, so it's But then when
Oscar they made the same argument on the F one
broadcast f on TV broadcast where Oscar got that unfair
what he deemed this an unfair penalty. See with the
with the safety car. It was the race where it
was raining and he got the safety car for unsafe driving.
Do you remember, yes, when Max was like behind him

(40:10):
and there was the restarts and everything, and Oscar got
that penalty and Oscar was like, I feel like that's unfair.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
But I don't know that's really comparable because it's like
that wasn't anything McLaren did, like the team on the
pitwall or either or the mechanics or I mean that
was still Oscar behind the wheel. Yeah, but it was
He's still a choice he made to do whether now
you know, and there's really nothing that like anybody you
could argue with the stewards about it, I guess, but
like unfortunately most of the time when those calls are made,
those calls are made. So it's kind of like, I

(40:40):
don't know that it's directly comparable to this.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
No, it's a comp but the I guess this sense,
it's the sentiment of like where do you draw the line?
At what point? Like how were we determining? Like when
is a case when you can apply these sort of
fair fairness rules and enforcing team orders from people to
swap positions. Where's the line? When do we draw the line?

(41:04):
And I and Andrea Stella did a post race interview
where they kind of asked him, you know, what's going
on with that? And he did say, you know, just
to be very clear, our decision today has nothing to
do with the last race or decisions that were made
in the previous race. We take it on a race
by race basis and a case by case basis, and
basically we just we decide in the moment what we

(41:24):
think is the best call for the team. And that's
what happened today. And he's like, you know, it's an
unfortunate scenario. No one likes it when we have to
do things like this, but it is what it is basically.
And again I get it, But I'm also I'm a
very competitive person and a part of me is kind
of like, fuck you, I'm not giving the place back

(41:44):
from Oscar. I get I get it. I get that.
He's like, there's a certain point where you have to
be a team player. This is your boss telling you
to do something, and it is your job to follow
what your to do what your boss says. I get it,
but I'm just so competitive. I'm like, no, I want
the win. It's mine even though it was win. No,
fork you too, but I'm like, no, it's mine.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
No, I mean yeah, I mean if you're an Oscar,
you're going to feel that way. If you're Lando. I
mean there's three perspectives, you know. There's the team perspective
of how do I handle this or how do we
handle this? Then there's Oscar's perspective in Lando's and I'm like,
I think overall, I think they handled it the best
way they could have handled it. I think it was
the safest way to handle it. I think that it
was what it was. But yeah, I mean, it sucks

(42:24):
that it even came to that.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
I wonder if any other teams would do something similar,
like make a similar caller, institute this sort of policy
about the team harmony kind of vibe. And the reason
I ask is because McLaren is in a unique scenario
where I think pretty much every other team has a
very clear number one and number two driver, and McLaren

(42:47):
has stated, and Zach Brown has stated, and Andrea Stella
has stated multiple times they do not have a number
two driver. They have two number one drivers and they
will support both, support both to the best of their ability. Yeah,
but only one can.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Win the Drive Championship.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
So but yeah, I wonder if any other teams would
ever do something like this in this scenario with their
two drivers.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
I don't know. I mean, I think I do think
it's easy to criticize, Like it'd be very easy for
other teams, Principles and other teams to criticize them and
have an opinion whether they're not in that position.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Oh yeah, when it's like you don't have two number
one drivers, because I mean, I get and kind of
agree with McLaren when it comes to like they do
have two number one drivers, Like there's in no scenario,
looking at the way the two drivers have performed over
the last two seasons or even just this season, you
cannot tell me who's number one and who's number two.
You could not pick no, because on any given day,

(43:38):
it could be either one of them that's it, that's
coming in first, or a race. So I completely agree
with their perspective on that for their team and their
driver lineup, But yeah, it is hard. It would be
hard to give any sort of comparable answer if your
team principal and you clearly have Like we're looking at
go down the teams. We've got Red Bull Max Rostappan

(43:58):
is clearly their number one driver. You can see notice
number two we've got Mercedes. George Russell is clearly their
number one driver. Kimmy Antonellidi is a rookie and way
too young. He is not ready to be a number
one driver. We've got Kick Souber.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
I was gonna say, you know, the team that we're
not gonna name is Ferrari.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, because we're.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Like, I don't they haven't really been in a position
to have to establish who a number one and number
two is. Oh, I know, Like I don't know. I
think if Lewis is ahead, if he's I think that
I think Ferrari is gonna be fairweather of whoever's just
doing the best at the time.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
I think Ferrari is too scared to say who their
number one driver is. They should be because no one
wants to have to tell Lewis Hamilton that he's the
number two driver on their team this season because and
I can say that, I say this season not just
because I love Charles Leclair and that's my guy, that's
my driver. I'm not just saying that because I'm biased.

(44:50):
I'm saying it because he, as we've talked about earlier
in the season, he hasn't established presenting that team. He's
helped guide that team and the car that they're currently in.
He's had a the biggest part in developing as come
from a driver perspective, So like he to me would
be the clear number one, especially because this is Lewis's
first year with Ferrari, It's his first time being with

(45:12):
a team other than Mercedes in over a decade. It's
a whole you know, he's still adjusting. So it wouldn't
to me be a knock on Lewis whatsoever to say
that this season Charles is their number one and Lewis
is their number two and we're going to do what
we can to support Charles. However, who wants to be
the one who on Ferrari's team is going to go

(45:35):
up to a seven time almost eight time we'll say,
eight time world champion Lewis Hamilton. No hate on Max whatsoever.
But who wants to go up to seven time world
champion Lewis Hamilton and say you have to sacrifice your
qualifying or your race to support Charles.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Oh yeah, And I'm like, well, I wouldn't. I'm sure
that wasn't the conversation that was had when he agreed
to come on in the first place. Definitely never agree
to be a number two driver.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Oh for sure. And I have no doubt that Louis
would tell them to go shout it where the sun
doesn't shine, oh for sure, in no uncertain times.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
I mean, I think Lewis is a team player. I
think that you know, at the end of the day.
But I think what somebody said this once as well,
and it's no knock on Charles. It's no knock on Ferrari.
But obviously that car has been developed mostly you could say,
you know, by Charles, it's not a number one car.
So why do you brought Lewis in to help you
develop a number one car and to help with however,

(46:29):
the structure of the team and everything like that, because
something's not working. So it's like and to me, Ferrari
isn't even really had to establish. That's not even the conversation,
you know when we when we speak about like, oh, Mercedes,
you know, we're saying George Russell's the number one driver
and Kimmy's the number two. But there's really been no debate.
It's never had to be a conversation because we're just like, well,

(46:49):
he's a rookie. It's whatever.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
It's a very clear power and experience bounce like one
has more than the other. It's just very it's it's numbers, facts, statistical,
it's you can't it's not like we're weighing one against
the other and kind of coming up. It's very clearly
waited in one sea. You know, red bulls the same
way racing bulls. I don't know that they'd say they

(47:12):
have a number one driver. They just have a driver
who's clearly outperforming the other one. Now, granted, whether a
lot of time we're not really even you know with
McLaren right, there's not a lot of instances where other
teams are having to have this internal struggle within each
other of having to have those hard conversations, because even

(47:34):
if they're the teammates are in the top ten, they're
normally there's not really a fight there. I mean, it's
come up a few times, but even then George had
to let Kimmy pass at one time not too long ago.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
And then you know they've had They've told, you know,
Lewis to swap, They've told Charles's swapping. You mean, it's
been a conver I think that they haven't really nobody
else has really been having to even if you have
a strong number one, number two, But no one's in
that contention for the drivers or the constructors at this point,
like the actual championship. So it's just kind of like

(48:05):
McLaren's in a very unique situation. But I don't know
that anybody could even is even close to Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
I mean, I'm even just looking at the driver standings
and comparing where teammates are in relation to each other
in the standings and the number of points they've scored.
I mean, you have Oscar and Lando obviously in one
and two. You have Charles and Lewis in five and six.
Oscar and Lando are separated by twenty thirty something points.

(48:33):
Charles and Lewis are at five and six, they are
separated by like almost fifty points. Yeah, it's about forty
five or so. But even but then you look at
like teammates that are actually closer in points, but their
standings are so different because you get a certain point
in the standings where like every single point matters. Yes,
because even just think when we're talking about racing bulls,

(48:53):
even when you're looking at.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Because technically that you could argue they have two rookies
on the team.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah, so you have Isaac in nights and the driver
standings with thirty eight points. Liam Lawson's all the way
down in fifteenth, so that's a six place difference in
the standings, but he's got twenty points. That's only an
eighteen point difference. That's one race, and they're you know, Liam,
if he does phenomenally well in one race, he's made

(49:19):
up all the points, you know, he not that probably
will not happen in one race. You know Brazil, I mean,
look at Brazil twenty twenty four. That was weird. We
have to alpines on the podium. So yeah, you never know.
But I mean it's a case of like every single
point matters when you get lower and so it can
be a little more comparable when we're talking about kind

(49:39):
of the.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Lower midfield teams.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
I was like, what is the word for the teams
not at the top, so the midden lower field teams,
but just thinking of like the other teams we have
Kick Sauber, we have Nico and Gabrielle. I would probably
still say Nico would be their number one driver, but
just based on experience, Yeah, and just because when you
have like the lead driver, yes, not a number one,
but the lead the more the senior driver who.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
I don't think kicks Alburg Get Okay, that was gonna
sound really meant. I mean like kicks Aalber. You know,
they're not really in that position to have to a
step like they're just kind of happy to be in
the points matter who it is. But based on experience,
I would say, yeah, lead, yeah, leak driver.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
I mean we've got Alpine with Pierre and Franco.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
There definitely the lead driver or number one driver for sure.
At has who just resigned his contract with them. Oh yeah, yeah,
Oh that's some news. We didn't talk about Pierre Ghastly.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
We barely mentioned him this episode, but uh, unremarkable. Yeah,
he's signed to extend to twenty twenty eight, I believe,
which great.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah, good on him.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
He's sticking it out with the French team.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
He's trying.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Yeah, he's doing what he can over there, which I mean,
again we said in previous episodes with Pierre, he has
he had moments early late last season, early this season
where we're like, Okay, Pierre, I see you. We're trying
to make something happen, and then it just kind of
all falls apart, all falls apart. But we so looking
I'm trying to think of like I just kind of
want to go through all the teams and see who's
if anyone's comparable to McLaren. But like there's has with

(51:07):
Oliver Bearman and Esteban Ocon Again Esteban's just sort of
the senior driver in that position. Yeah, just again just
having more experience. Yeah, so many rookies, no, but yeah, geez.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Nobody's really and millions. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
But Alex and Carlos, Yeah, that would be a similar
situation because like they're sort of just there to help
develop it be longer. They actually might be the most
comparable to like Ferrari situation.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah, yeah, I would say agree.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
But even in that case, they've had Alex and Carlos
swap places this race. They get issued team orders, and
Carlos was putting up a little bit of a fight
over the radio of saying like, come on, guys, like
I think there's still more that I can do in
this race basically, and the team was like, swap places,
we think Alex has better pace, and Alex did have
a better pace. So you could argue that because they

(51:56):
swapped places, Carlos was then in a position where he
had contact and was having all these issues and that
then put him like way further down the standings of
finishing the race.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
But yeah, but I mean even before the contact happened,
I mean, well, when did that happen? Because I mean Barman,
because Bearman, I mean when they swap positions, he would
have been directly behind Alban and he was trying to
pass Bearman at that time.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Well, they finished seventeenth and eighteenth, Oliver and Carlos finished seventeenth.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I think they must have swapped places and then later
that happened.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Well that's what I'm saying. Yeah, maybe it was the
pit stop thing, but yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
Is that, like, because you could argue that because they
swapped places, then Carlos fell further back and then was
in a position that caused the contact.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
And well he had the better place he wouldn't have Yeah,
that's true, you know. So, but well we have what
two weeks. Yeah, we have a free weekend this coming
weekend and the weekend after that we are going to
be at Baku, so we can go ahead and get
into our next race. Teaser. This is going to be
round seventeen, which is the Formula one Qatar Airways Azerbajan

(53:03):
Grand Prix at Thubaku City Circuit. So last year's main
results were Oscar Piastre, Charles Leclair and George Russell. So
here are some tracks stats. It is a relatively new circuit.
It was introduced in twenty sixteen. It has fifty one laps.
The circuit length is about six kilometers, which is about

(53:24):
three point seven miles. The race distance is three hundred
and six kilometers, which is about one hundred and ninety miles.
I'm rounding whatever. The race lap record and the qualifying
lap record are held by the same person. So the
race lap record is held by Charles Leclair, which he
set in twenty nineteen at a minute and forty three
point zero zero nine seconds. The qualifying lap record, which

(53:46):
is also set by Charles Leclair in twenty twenty three.
It is a minute in forty point two zero three seconds,
So he performs well here it seems, and it has
two drs zones. So what is this track like? First,
it's a straight circuit. We know the driver sometimes sometimes
they love them, sometimes they hate them. I think a

(54:06):
lot of them aren't huge fans of straight circuits, but
sorry about it. Some of them are specists, yes, some
of them are specialists. So Baku offers kind of a
unique mix. It does have the longest straight on the
calendar for like flat out slipstream battles, followed by a
very narrow technical section that punishes mistakes. So you know,

(54:28):
this is going to be a really interesting track to
watch the rookies at because it is going to punish
you with any sort of mistake because you're going to
be into a barrier, So teams are going to face
a constant trade off between straight line speed and cornering grips.
So what's going to matter more to you? So you know,
we're leaving a track that is iconic and is the

(54:48):
fastest on the calendar, but now we're going to a
track that has the longest straight on the whole calendar.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
That's a very odd shape. Yeah. On the it's like
got like almost like a rectangle on one end of it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
And so the tire strategy here, we they are bringing
back the C six, which they introduced this year. We
had it at MLO, we had it at Monaco Super
Super Soft. So we're gonna have the C four, the
C five, and the C six, So this will be
a different set of compounds than they've ever had this
track before because, like we said, the C six was
just introduced this year. Strategy wise, Baku is usually a

(55:24):
one stop because it has low tire degradation, though safety
cars often shake things up. Peep, there are safety cars here,
But along with safety cars, there's also a lot of overtakes.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
That's always the most important question.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
The most important question is can we overtake here? Yes,
Baku is one of the best overtaking tracks in Formula One,
with its massive main straight and back to back drst
zone setting up plenty of slipstream battles and late breaking
into turn one. So we might we're gonna see a
lot of overtaking. We're more than likely gonna see safety
cars because it is a punishing track, and I would

(56:00):
almost guarantee some of our rookies are crash out. I
wouldn't be surprised if they crash out during practice. I mean,
we'll see. So it's going to be a very punishing race.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
It's going to be very tempting for them to just
go flat out fully on those streets, and especially in
that long streets. Yeah, then they might not breaking time.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
I mean but BLUs two, I mean it can just
get so narrow and the walls are right there and
there's nowhere for you to go.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Oh yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
The street that's the Probertly so there's not a lot
of runoff area. So we will see how it goes.
But with that being said, we will talk at you
in two weeks. Let us know your driver of the day,
your biggest let down, and any predictions going in toobaccu. Bye.

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