August 21, 2025 • 49 mins
In this episode, we talked about the backlash to Sydney Sweeney’s American Eagle jeans ad and the bizarre wave of internet outrage that followed. Was it harmless wordplay, tone-deaf marketing, or something much darker? Depends on who you ask.
From eugenics accusations to comparisons with Brooke Shields’ infamous Calvin Klein jeans commercial in the ’80s, we look at how a simple ad spiraled way beyond denim. And of course, we talk about why Sydney Sweeney is always the internet’s favorite target.
Then we jump into TikTok’s latest soap opera: a woman obsessed with her psychiatrist who shared every unhinged detail online. From turning to ChatGPT — or as she called it, “Henry” — to fuel her fantasies, to confessing a full moon sex dream mid-session, this story is pure chaos.
Yeah, this one’s messy.
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Why Are You Yelling? is a podcast for people who get a little too loud about the things that matter and the things that don’t. Join Anna and Jessica every episode as they talk pop culture, current events, and more.
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From eugenics accusations to comparisons with Brooke Shields’ infamous Calvin Klein jeans commercial in the ’80s, we look at how a simple ad spiraled way beyond denim. And of course, we talk about why Sydney Sweeney is always the internet’s favorite target.
Then we jump into TikTok’s latest soap opera: a woman obsessed with her psychiatrist who shared every unhinged detail online. From turning to ChatGPT — or as she called it, “Henry” — to fuel her fantasies, to confessing a full moon sex dream mid-session, this story is pure chaos.
Yeah, this one’s messy.
Watch full episodes (including this one) on YouTube.
Submit your “Why Were You Yelling?” story to be read on the podcast! Send us an email at wayypod.storytime@gmail.com and tell us all about it!
Why Are You Yelling? is a podcast for people who get a little too loud about the things that matter and the things that don’t. Join Anna and Jessica every episode as they talk pop culture, current events, and more.
Follow @WAYYpod on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, X / Twitter, and Facebook.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Jeans are passed down from parents to offspring.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Often determining traits like hair color, personality, and even eye color.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
My jeans have a rip in the knee and a
ketchup stain from last Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
My jeans think straight leg is a political stance.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
My genes think distressed is an emotional state.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
My jeans are convinced that they're vintage because they're tired.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
My jeans can't decide if they're skinny or relaxed fit.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
My jeans are low rise, and so is my self esteem.
My jeans are confused.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
And Jessica, let's talk about Hiller.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
That'll make sense later.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I'm immaculately conceived.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I swear I'm not stupid.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Take it or leave that. Sometimes you just want to
leave it, do.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I gotta bar my mom's underwear. I'm borrowing her underwear.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, dar jar baits. I'm not gonna edit it out.
I don't know like I I got.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It's pretty great suck. Why are you saying with a
question mark clack, bitch?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
All right, three two one?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Actually, and we're live. I'm in and I'm Jessica, and
this is why are you yelling and we have okay jeans.
I guess I hope you like our skit. Yeah, that
took a lot of time. I hope it's as funny
as we think it is now.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, the whole gene things kind of I'm just concerned
and confused by all of it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
All of it confused.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Just to set the stage for those who don't know,
we're referring to the American Eagle Jeans ad. It came
out like relatively recently, featuring Sidney Sweeney. She's one a
couple of spots for them. Uh, but the one we're
referring to is the one we just did a period of,
which is where she says, my genes are blue and
it's a play on G E N E s, like
your hereditary genes. Yeah, and G E A N s
(02:08):
your denim genes. Right. And I don't have a problem
in general with just like the I don't mind the
play on jeans genes, like it's fine.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I mean people have done it in the past.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, I think that. You know, Sidney Sweeney has great genes. Okay, Yeah, sure,
she's a pretty girl.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh but she's like the hot the hot commodity she's
like the desired person right now her like Anna di
Armis or like the girls that everybody's drolling over.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah. So I mean in general the commercial is like fine.
I don't think like specifically the genes featured in like
the commercial. I don't know if it's in this one,
but there was another commercial where she talks about like
how great the genes make her butt look and stuff
like that, and I'm just like, the genes look not great,
Like they don't make your butt look good. Like I'm
(02:54):
not saying whether she has a good butt or not.
I'm saying those genes to me were not flattering.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
No, well everybody was like half the internet just went
could nuts. The other half was like done. Those jeans
were not great.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah. So when I first saw it, I just thought, well,
this was a bit odd, like the first So I
actually the very first commercial I saw was the one
of where the camera is like because looking at her
as they pointed to her boobs, and then she goes,
my eyes are up here, and I'm like, what the
what the heck? What why is this a gens? Like
(03:30):
what does it have to do with denim pants? Yeah,
So that was really the only thing. That was my
first thing, and then I saw the other one and
I just was like, okay, I mean in whatever I
mean correct, honestly, just kind of cringe, just whatever it.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Was, even it's not making me want to go buy
those pants or those genes.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
To be fair, the only ad that's ever made me
want to do that is the Beyonce ad, the Levis
Beyonce ad. And that's just because one Levi's is a
good brand anyway, and those jeans do look like snatched
on her and they look great. But I'm I'm like,
to be fair, most commercials, most clothing commercials in general,
I never see one and go, I mean I have
to have that because most of the time I already
(04:09):
kind of am like you never know what I like.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know where you buy your genes from. Like, if
you've reached our age, right, you have tried on jeans
from so many different stores. You've gone through the struggle
of trying to find the perfect pair of in style
fits you right, makes your butt look good, doesn't gap
at the waist, does it become baggy throughout the day,
like fits with your esthetic. Like we've gone through the struggle.
(04:35):
We know what genes we like, like, there's one particular
brand of genes that I can buy without even trying
them on because the style the fit, like everything I
know is gonna fit me right, and it's what I like.
So we know was that I'm not giving them that
free promo.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Oh my god, but who is it?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
People? Okay, people hate on Old Navy. I love their genes,
but specific cuts and specific like lines of their genes,
not all, not all their genes are created.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Anymore now, and I had I had an issue with
one of their genes because literally the washes fit different
and there they had a wide leg jene that I loved,
and I'm like, I wanted the darker wash. It did
not fit the way the lighter and I was very upset.
But I mean, I have a lot of Old Navy genes,
but yeah I didn't. So then I was like, oh whatever.
But then the Internet then people, and I truthfully so,
(05:26):
my friend shared something on their story about poking fun
and everybody who was going super political with it, and
I was confused because he basically was making it because
I at the time I knew nothing about this, like
white supremacy ad apparently is what everybody thinks that it is,
and so I'm like, nobody thinks that, dude, Like, that's
(05:47):
probably like one percent on the internet. Apparently it was
way more people than I thought. So I stand corrected
because I'm like, is this real life?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah? So again, for those who don't know, the biggest
sort of controversy coming and criticism coming out from this
commercial in this ad campaign is that the creative choice
for the commercials specifically talking about g like hereditary genes,
they're saying that it promotes eugenics, which basically is like,
(06:16):
is like a I'll just read from what this NPR
article says. It says the company's creative choices have prompted
some to say that the ad campaign promotes eugenics, a
discredited scientific theory popular among white supremacists that the human
race could be improved by breeding out less desirable traits.
(06:36):
Others are saying the uproar is the culture's response from
a society hell bent on sexualizing women, and a lot
of people are taking issue with the hyper sexualized nature
of the ads, especially since the company says the ad
campaign is supposed to raise raise domestic violence awareness, a
cause Sidney Sweeney is passionate about and one dred percent
of the purchase price of the genes will be donated
(06:57):
to Crisis text Line, a charity offers mental health services.
But of what genes ill them? The specific genes that
are in the AD. But I don't even know what
genes are in the AD.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, so I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I guess it's a specific pair. So basically, the criticism
is that people are concerned that this ad is promoting
eugenics and Nazi propaganda because Sidney Sweeney is white, blonde haired,
blue eyed, and specifically the ad were the initial ad.
We were talking about talks. She says, my eyes are
(07:29):
blue or my genes are blue, referring to her eye color. Yeah.
So the that's what the controversy is is that a
lot of people are saying that it's about Nazis and
promoting Nazi Nazis and eugenics. Wow. And I was just
I didn't get that at all at all, Like my
(07:49):
mind did not go anywhere near they're promoting Nazis. What
what are we talking about? I'm like, have we lost
the plot?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
We lost a long time ago, Dude, we've been lost
the plot.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I just don't like, I think there there are certain
things we should be concerned about, just in general, if
we hear certain figureheads or certain people talking about specific
topics and going along a certain narrative line. I do
not think we need to be concerned about American eagle
(08:24):
genes promoting eugenics. No, I just and maybe that's me
being naive. Maybe I'm not aware of if around World
War two there were a lot of clothing brands that
were specifically promoting the beliefs of the Nazis. Maybe that
was happening. I don't know, I'm not aware of that,
if that is the case, But I mean, I just
feel like it's being way blown Were they were wearing
(08:48):
Hugo as Yeah, but no, I uh, I just think
it's being blown way out of proportion. And it feels
a little like hyper vigilance in terms of like people
like waiting to point at something and say, ah, look
we caught you. Yeah they hate her, so they're not
just her, but just in general, trying to point to
(09:10):
any company saying anything or doing anything that could remotely
be considered wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Oh yeah, there is. There's So there's one more controversy
surrounding it, and it is have you seen you know
who Brooke Shields is. Yes, So back in nineteen eighty
she did a Calvin Klein ad where she was fifteen
years old, And have you seen this ad before? Where
basically it's the same, it's it's the same sort of concept,
but like it's so over like it's so overly sexualized.
(09:36):
If you haven't seen it, actually you should pull it
up and watch it and we can just kind of
start from there, because that's another reason people, but I
have thoughts on that, but i'd let you watch.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
It first a few moments later.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
So if you haven't seen the brook Shields ad, it
is an ad she did in nineteen eighty and she
was fifteen years old. She was fifteen when she did that.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
That's and she's like writhing around on the floor. It's
longer than the Sydney Sweeney ad. It's the same sort
of same premise. It's the whole play on play of
jeans and jeans, but like what she's like lying on
the floor with like a slightly longer like almost like
a robe top, silky robe vibe, and then like she's
lying on the floor shimming her jeans up her leg
(10:18):
breath out of breath, like thrusting her hips left and right,
like trying to get the jeans on. She's rolling around,
there's lots of like displaying her flexibility. Like that's very
and sexualized.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Did you watch The Brookshield, the documentary that came out
like two or three years ago.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Uh, I'm aware of so I had watched it in
her whole situation.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, and I so I watched it, and that is
like something very sensitive to her, Like she like tears
up and she gets upset when she talks about it
because it's so obvious, like it was clearly inappropriate. Clearly
they were sexualizing a fifteen year old girl. And mind you,
like Calvin Klein was like American Eagle is like a
tea like arguably a teenage brand. Calvin Klein is Calvin Klein.
(10:58):
So not saying it's okay from American Neagle to sexray
the teenage girl. I'm just saying, like a grown up
brand literally went and prayed on a teenager at the time.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, I mean, And that's all even tied to when
when she did The Blue Lagoon, Yes, which was its
own traumatic experience for her being young, a young actress
and forced to do things and.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Just yeah, awful awful, So there's two things with it
where so it's also being compared to that and you
know the hyper sex. They basically saying it's hyper sexual
in a way, like I can understand the camp of
people that are basically saying it was very insensitive to do,
considering for Sydney Sidney Sweeny to do that just after
the controversy with that particular ad with Calvin Klein from Brookshield,
(11:45):
you know, saying basically it's just insensitive and kind of
poor taste and just you know, kind of like you
And it was something that was reas brought up recently,
you know, within like the past two or three years,
And so I can understand that criticism of it, Like
even if I don't ass really think it's that deep,
I can understand the criticism of like you think that
was the only idea you had. But so the other
(12:07):
part of it though that I don't it's not the
same thing where Sidney Sweeney's like twenty seven years old.
I think she's a grown woman who could who and
the culture now is so different than when like brook
Shield was doing it. Like if Sidney Sweeney didn't want
to do that ad, she didn't have to do that
ad and if she was uncomfortable with an American eagle
(12:29):
tried to take her down or try to say anything
negative about her, and the second that went public, people
would be like, excuse me, and would be on Sidney's
side in like two seconds. So it's like Brooke Shield
was a fifteen year old girl who was taken advantage
of by a large company, and probably she had no
idea what she was doing. You know, she was just
doing what they said. She wasn't realizing how like disgustingly
perverted the whole thing was. I don't think that's comparable
(12:51):
in that sense. It's like you have one's a teenage
girl being taken advantage of a one as a grown woman,
completely fine, And the thing is, I don't if I don't,
I also don't think Sidney a villain if she's being sexualized,
if she knows it, Like, why is it now that
if women are empowered and they're just like in their
sexuality and she knows it. Basically, basically, Sidney Sweeny knows
(13:11):
she's hot and she's stating that she's hot, why is
that a problem?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Like?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Why is that suddenly a bad thing? Like what's going on?
Like what it's like we've we take these steps forward
to all of a sudden be mad at women for
sexualizing themselves, if you want a word it like that,
Like it doesn't make any sense to me because this
whole like white supremacy Nazi thing. I'm like, this all
(13:37):
just feels like a cover up for the fact that
you just don't like her because she's desirable, and it
feels like like you were saying where it's like, ah, gotcha,
fine me, I have a reason to complain because you
can't complain that she's hot or you're a bitch and
you are if that's why you're complaining. You can't complain
that she's sexy. You can't complain about her just existing
(13:58):
as a woman because now as a society, we know
that that's wrong. So you can't publicly just do that
right because you are the asshole. But you can criticize
her for something else as long as anything else presents itself.
So the reaching is so far here where I'm like,
let's just be honest. You're all using this as a
cover up because you're sexist and you don't like her
(14:22):
because she's like desired by men. That's what it boils
down to. She's desired by men and women hate her. Yeah,
that's just what it feels like. The reaching is so
far at this point that I'm like, what are y'all
talking about the Nazis?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Who's what? So I get where some people may be
a little sensitive to the idea of like eugenics and
Nazi propaganda. Like I get that, especially in our current
political climate when there is so much going on about
like the whole like uh immigrant thing and the whole
(14:58):
like if you're not born in the U and you're
not born here and you're not an American, then you
shouldn't be here. Like I get people hearing this sort
of rhetoric and these topics being discussed and then being
very sensitive to some sort of ad or what they
view as propaganda, like then leaning more into the discussion
(15:18):
of like of like where you're born or the bloodlines
passed down, you know, from generation to gener Like I
get how all of that could connect and you could
be sensitive to that sort of stuff. But then I
also think, like we need to just take a deep
breath collectively and just chill out. Like I get you
do need watchdogs in any society. You need people who
(15:41):
are going to be like, are you overstepping? Are you
doing things that we would consider like that are stripping
our freedoms or leaning toward that way? And I get that,
but that's this is an American Eagle ad for pants.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That's what I'm saying. It's like, it's literally about genes
and the whole the whole point any other part about her.
My genes are blue. It was a play on her
eyes and a play on blue jeans. Yes, it's just
a play on words literally, like people do it in
songs all the time. Like I've heard multiple song lyrics
like that. So I just am so.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Like, I don't even know that, like the concept of
the ad. It would make more sense for a different
brand of gene because I do not associate American Eagle
jenes with high quality denim that has passed down like
from mother to daughter.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
No, that's Levi's under Levi jeans. Yeah, Levi Jenes you
can have like for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Because they're high quality, they're durable, they're like thick sturdy pants,
like they're sturdy.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
They're actual, they're like pure, actual true denim genes. They're
not like the denim stretch blend.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
No, because I've tried on American Eagle janes, don't like
the way they fit and they're very thin. So yeah,
I don't think that that even premise works the best
for an ad for American Eagle because it would there
would be the extra layer of, you know, jeans are
passed down from like parents to offspring. That would make
more sense if we're talking about a higher quality garment
(17:09):
and American Eagle is not.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
That could also make a way better ad by having
like I just literally had an add in my head,
not giving it to you now. I mean literally, if
you're gonna do, if you're doing it, do the whole
play on words of like jeans and jeans and passed
down like you could literally just have a mom in
like the eighties with her her Levi or the nineties
with her Levi jeans, rocking out, doing whatever, and then
(17:32):
the fact that like so munny fashion trends are now
reoccurring within society from back then, the mom can either hand,
here's a pair of jeans, or maybe she's like, oh, mom,
I need a pair of jeans.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I don't have any, do any that are like this?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And then she goes, oh, yeah, I do, and it's
those same parading that she gives them, and they fit perfectly, like.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Or even honestly if you even do like younger. So
like people that were buying jeans in the early two
thousands with the embroidered pockets and stuff, all that is
bad style now. So literally it could be a middle
school going into high school eight like teenager being like,
oh I love these, you know, and then it's the
(18:09):
whole thing, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I mean did the whole concept. I mean, just do
a commercial like that. Then it's just like she's just
laying there the backdrop like gins.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, well, and she's shimming on the jeans just like
the Brookshield dat. She's not writhing around, but she's still
pulling them up and butting them up.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I just don't. But even then it's like it was
just like what, Yeah, people want to be mad at
her because they don't like her, and they can't say
why they don't really like her, because like it's not
actually socially acceptable to hate somebody because they're pretty anymore,
because it's stupid. But so they just jump on any
little thing she did, Like they got mad at her
(18:45):
when she was selling the soap with her bath water
or whatever, and they were like, are we taking how
many they've tried to say that was a step back
for feminism? And I was like, I mean, she's getting
paid for her bath water. If that's even real, it's
probably not even probably just some kind of joke. They
probably just labeled it that way. But the fact is, like,
(19:05):
that's funny though, because she is an overt sexualized celebrity
and she's leaning into it, and she's leaning into it
where it's like, we'll pay for it, then pay for
my bath water, you scumbag. If you bought that, bro, Like,
it's more like your that's nuts that you bought that.
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Becau's more about you than it does about her.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, So I'm just like, so she so a woman's
allowed to be hot, but she can't know she's hot.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And she can't profit from it if she can't lean
into it, she can't acknowledge it, she can't be aware
of her hotness. She just has to be hot. She
has to be hot, damn it. Why is the Barbie
monologue coming back?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Well, because it's crazy because I'm like, you know, I
didn't really saw like no dudes mad about the ad.
Everybody I socle planning. Mostly we're like women, and I'm like,
just be honest, you hate her because she's pretty well,
she's beyond pretty. She's hot, she's gorgeous, successful, and she's desirable.
It's it's like the same way that people the Leonardo
(20:06):
DiCaprio will only date, like young women only date, like
we actually know this just a joke, and women get
mad about it, and I'm like, you're just mad because
you won't date you. This actually doesn't matter, it doesn't
affect you at all. It's just this. It's jealousy, and
it's like the first the first thing you can do
is jump on this and you mask it as like
(20:29):
a social cause of like that's why you're did white supremacist.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
She's a white supremacist.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Just go touch grass, dude, Like it's crazy because call
the ad lame, call the ad lazy, call the ad
over sexualized, call the ad insensitive, to Brookshield, all of
those things you could be right on and at least
it's more valid than acting like she was. They're acting
(20:54):
like the commercial took place in place in Auschwitz in
the I'm like, they are acting like that is what
they said, and I'm like, dude.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I would even argue if someone said it was over sexualized,
I would argue that it's not. It's sexual. It's got
sexual tones to it. I mean she's pulling on pants
in a reclined position. You can see like side under
boobe with her open denim jacket with nothing on underneath it.
But I mean she's not simulating sexual acts. She's not
(21:25):
nude like it's sexual. But that doesn't make it the
devil no. I mean there was the one where the
camera's definitely looking at her boobs. Oh well, yeah, I
was referring to this specific because I think.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
There were like a few that were put out, and
there was the one where she goes, my eyes are
up here and I'm like, bro, damn, like they're just
straight up like she got big old bitties, and they
just were like leaning into it immediately. What she does.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I mean, it is what it is. That's just the
way she looks. That's her body. Yeah, so I don't
And that's to me, that's more funny than anything that's
like her finding it's like playing into the humor of like, yeah,
I got boobs, and that it is what it is like,
is that what do you want to do about it?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, it's just the whole thing just is ridiculous. And
the fact that I actually read because I truly thought
this was just a few people being nuts, and then
I saw it was way more people being nuts than
I thought, And I'm like, dude, there, why are there
college professors actually giving statements about this? Can you just
(22:27):
go teach a class instead? Actually we need maybe should
you be teaching a class? If this is what you
think this ad is? Like? That is crazy?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I mean I would say there could be academic value
if one, it was a trend, if you saw multiple
ads across various industries in this same sort of vein
promoting these sort of supposed you know, eugenics, ideology, whatever,
(22:55):
Nazi propaganda. There would be academic value in comparing modern
day ads to advertisements that were around around World War
Two and the rise of the Nazi Party. Right, there's
academic value in that because you're studying the past comparing
it to the present, seeing what you know, history repeats itself,
(23:16):
is it really? You know, there is academic value comparing those,
but you can't go into it predetermining that yes, it
is repeating itself, and this is the same. You have
to go into it asking the question and then being
okay with whatever answer you arrive at and not like
having a bias going into it and like it's a
confirmation bias.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, it's that.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
And it's also like, if you're wanting to like actually
look at it that way and compare this commercial to
ones that were being put out at the time of
you know, World War two, doing it in an academic
sense versus like a very emotionally heightened state.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Is this completely differently shouting online?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Well, it's also like, say you compare them and you
actually find that there were ads that were similar, that's
just the conclusion. You still aren't saying what the intention
was with this ad. You know what I'm saying. All
you can do at that time is compare, Oh yeah,
these were similar, actually, and that's just a conclusion, and
you're not saying what their intention was, And you're not
saying who's horrible and who's this and who's that. You're
(24:16):
just saying, at the time, this is this, This is
just these are the facts, and that's however you feel
about them is how you feel about them. But when
I can't present that information emotionally.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, you can look at the physical materials. You can
compare the imagery, the wording and verbiage that's used, the
types of people featured in those ads. You can compare
those concrete factual things. These ads for World War two
that said XYZ things, they featured these types of people,
they look like this, they were in these types of industries,
(24:49):
these ads. Now you compare the same exact things, and
if they are comparable, if you find that there is
similarities between the two, that's all you can say for that.
Like to then extrapolate and draw conclusions about the intention
of modern day ads that happen to feature these things,
I think is a bit of a stretch. If you
(25:10):
don't have if you don't have patterns, if you don't
have like a concrete like evidence of those things. Right,
So I think that, And yeah, I'm aware that propaganda
is supposed to be more sly, it's supposed to be
more conniving and not so obvious initially when that's how
(25:32):
it's most effective. Right, I get that, And I get
how you can be a little bit of like a
watchdog about propaganda and being like, let's be a little
careful about what But I mean, does anyone on the
board of American Eagle have ties to the Nazi Party?
Are any of them white supremacists? Are they part of
the KKK? Like is anyone in the creative department, marketing department.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
For wouldn't it be kind of lame if somebody was?
But like that was like that they're not relative and
they don't even have any ties to that, and they're
super ashamed about it. And then they're tied to this
ad and they're just like that's literally a coincidence. That
would suck. Yeah, the whole thing's just crazy to me,
Like the whole thing is just it just seems like
wave blown out of proportion. And then the fact that
(26:18):
our president chimed in is just crazy. So we'll just
leave it at that. We don't even have to go
We won't we won't go in. He has a statement.
The only thing I'm gonna say is he spelt her
name wrong like twice, like the whole time he's was
typing it.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
That's how I know.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That's how I know it's him typing, and that's who
to be honest, Like, it's one of those things that
I wish I could be in there. There's two things. Okay,
I'm not gonna I don't want to. I don't run
a political podcast, but I do. There are two things
I want to say. Since I just I just brought
up Trump, I wish I was in the room when
he was tweeting sometimes because I just want to know
how he holds his phone. I want to know what
(26:54):
is Is he one of these like or is he.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Like a like a furious thumb yeah, typer, Or.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Is he like a a one finger picker like yeah,
I want to know, Or is he's like say this,
but is he dictating to somebody comes across like he
wrote it?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Though? Because of all the I wonder if I would
die if there was someone on his staff whose job
it was was to like he did. He says what
he wants his tweets to say, and that person's job
is to like write it down in his style of tweeting.
Like is there somebody who has cultivated a style of
Twitter post in the voice of Donald trust and like
(27:32):
that's their job is to make is like he just
says things and then they and he's like tweet it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Post it perfect, love it. Make this all caps like
I just wish I could. I wish that I just
would have parentheses, three exclamation marks, like I just wish
that I could be in the room when that happened,
at least once, but like invisible, because I just truly
feel like that would be the most hysteric experience of
(28:00):
my life. The second thing I wish I was in
the room for was when he saw those South Park episodes.
I truly wish I was in the at least the
building for that because that was hysterical. But that's a
whole other thing. Yeah, well, Sydney, hope that a lot
of people buy the jeans. Yeah, and maybe.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You know what, maybe I'll go to our local American
Eagle and try on your your gins, white supremacist jeens.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah, maybe I will not.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
The last time I tried on we tried on American
We last time I tried on American Eagle jeens was
with you, and it was a horrible experience. Yeah, we both.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
This was a couple of years ago. Yeah, we're trying
to find.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
They're trying to get that's when wide Leg was finally
coming out or like straight you know, we're trying to
find the jeans that are tied on your booty but
then looser in the leg, because I don't I want
to still have form on like my like my up
my upper thighs, in my butt. I really wanted tightness,
but then I wanted the looseness. And we literally could
buy them nowhere, yes, at the time, and.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
So we were trying different places and American Eagle jeans
were just traumatizing.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
It for me. Yeah, they just took go back.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, they just didn't fit good anywhere, Like you could
size up, size down, Like, none of it fit right
no matter what size you tried on. It was either
too loose too tight simultaneously in different places. It was
just bad. And they were poor quality for as expensive
as they were. I remember that. So I don't know, Sidney,
(29:28):
So not to shit talk American egle jeans, but I
prefer the best.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I used to I used to when like skinny jeans
were the thing. I mean, I used to buy American
eagle jeans, but not anymore. I have, not like in
yours anyway. So the other thing that's been going on,
I don't know how to segue at all. What are
we talking about? The crazy lady? Okay, So speaking of
crazy people on the internet. Yeah, this one, she's nuts.
(29:55):
This woman is certifiably the most psychotic person. So okay,
let me back it up if I just want to
jump in and there's immediately go into it. Okay. So
for those who are not aware, there is a woman
on TikTok who is telling her truth. And she is
(30:15):
framing her truth as she was in love with her
psychiatrists for four years and he knew and he kept
her as a client anyway until she finally had the
strength to leave four years later. That's how she frames it.
And so then she starts the story. And let me
tell you something, I really hope that the psychiatrist has
(30:37):
went to the police and got a restraining order, because
that bitch is crazy. She's certifiably like insane to the
point that I'm like, this is a parody, right, Like
she doesn't believe these things. This isn't real. Like I
saw a few comments that were like, no, no, she's
like an author and this is like about being an
unreliable narrator. And I'm like, if that ends up being
(30:59):
the case, girl's a g because it's so delusional to
the point that I'm like, this woman once said he
kept his boundaries, like he had his boundary so hard,
but he controlled with his boundaries. He would get to
the edge of the boundary to tease her, but like
he would never pass the boundary. And I'm like, that's
(31:19):
called a boundary. You can even walk up to the boundary,
but you can't pass the boundary. So literally everything she
said he did was within the confines of him being
a professional.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Like everything everything.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Then she had a therapist who was a seventy five
year old white lady PhD therapist is what she kept
calling her, who she was like super crazy. It was
going over the boundaries and stuff, and I in a way,
I'm like, this can't be real. I feel like she's
telling this story and she's purposely having a person who
is clearly not like doing anything wrong with the boundaries.
(31:58):
And then she has another like a therapist who is
clearly like the therapist she talked about was extremely unprofessional
throughout the whole story, And so I'm just kind of like,
if this is real, I truly don't even have the
mental capacity to understand how this even came to be.
But basically, she's telling this story and there's just nothing
(32:26):
He's done. She's turned off comments because everyone's like, girl,
what are you talking about? Then she gets really into
her chat GPT and she asks it and it tried.
Chat tried to reel her in at first, y'all. It
was like girl, no, and then it just ended up
feeding into her delusions because it's going to if you
just ask it too basically yep. And she called it Henry.
(32:46):
I mean, she was emailing her psychiatrist all the time,
and I'd like to point something out. She said she
was obsessed with him. She said it was like she
couldn't stop thinking about him. I mean, she was like
in love, like infatuated. Right, She saw this man once
a month for thirty minutes over zoom until she did
(33:09):
end up going after like it. We're into like year
three or four at this point, like basically towards the
end of when she finally ends things, which I'll tell
you how she did that.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
So over the course of three or four years, she's
spoken to him for a total of six eighteen to
twenty four hours yep, thirty minutes once a month. That's
six hours a year through a screen, through a screen
for eighteen to twenty four hours total, and you're in
(33:41):
love with him, Yes, you're crazy crazy everyty.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Thing she said about him, I'm like, he's literally done
nothing wrong. And she kept saying manipulation and he knew
and oh and I and she kept saying things like oh,
and I know he loved that, and I'm like, how
do you literally know that?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Though?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Like what do you mean? So she ends finding out
that he has in person appointments, and then she schedules one,
and then she goes in and she has one, and
she tells this man in person, she's like, during the
full moon, I swear to god, I can't even do it. Okay,
(34:19):
during the full moon, she was ovulating, and so she
had a sex dream about him and they had sex
in his office. And then she tells us that she
has this dream and I'm like, ew, but not a crime.
Then she goes to her appointment and tells this man
to his face that she had a sectionary about him
in his office, and he goes she says, he's like, oh,
(34:44):
he's like stunned. And then apparently in the dream as well,
after it happened and she leaves, she's like distraw because
he she was sad that he didn't stick to his
boundaries because he should not be having sex with clients,
and well he's not.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, so she was distraught in the dream, in.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
The dream that it happened, even though she's so thirsty
for him. It's so weird. She's so, I don't get it,
because she's like, I love his boundaries, but he was
manipulating me and using everything I told I told him
against me, even though she gat like, literally no examples,
and she could never give any example whatsoever ever being inappropriate,
like ever, like zero literally zero, and so oh so
(35:27):
she had framed this whole story right at the very end.
She's like, well, when she first started it, she goes
till she had the strength to walk away. She didn't
have the strength to walk away. She didn't have no
more insurance. Those gonna cover those visits for free. And
so then she found out she was gonna have to
pay one hundred seven dollars a visit. She said, I
ad of doing that, she'd have the strength to walk
the strength to walk away. She doesn't want to pay
(35:48):
for it anymore.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
She just lost her job, however, quit got fired whatever,
lost her job, and no longer had that really good
free really good insurance that made the appointments free and
now she's gonna have to pay. And then she said
peace out, yep, And that was the strength.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
That was the strength, and she needs to tell her story.
She talks in a way that infuriates me. By the way.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Oh my god, I haven't watched all these clips I've seen.
I've listened to a couple of them before we started recording.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I was like, is there an update to this?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Oh god, she she is the epitome of like the
person who uses therapy speech as a weapon.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yes, she weaponizes at one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Is talking about boundaries and manipulation and like my.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Truth and oh god, ethics.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
And uh, it's so bad, it's really horrible. It's and
the wave the way that she delivers her lines to
the camera, because at this point that's what it comes
across as it does not feel real, it doesn't feel genuine,
like if this was something that had actually happened to me.
There's a even if you were to like bullet point
(36:59):
out your story to make sure you're including everything and
not jumping around too much you're trying to make narrative sense,
there's still a way that you would talk to the
camera and talk about it that is genuine and actually
you recounting things that actually happened, versus the way that
she's delivering this to the camera is she's putting she's
(37:20):
it's an affectation, yes, putting on a particular tone to
her voice. And the way that she's delivering these lines
that is just so clear it comes across is not
genuine whatsoever. And it makes you kind of want to
punch her in the face because you're like, you're crazy
and psychotic, but you're like delivering these lines in a
way that you think you're doing something.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Oh my god, Oh my god. And then she said this,
Oh my god. So she's also like an ADHD coach.
According to her, a twelve week program helps ADHD with
people with like alcoholism. We'll see whatever if she does,
great for her, if it works, cool, not even hating
on her all that, but bitterly she tells a story
of like I put my shoes on, because this is
is in an in person visit and at the time
she was telling she was recounting the story of her
(38:04):
in the office, and she said something like, you know what,
I put my shoes back on, and we stood up
and we walked out. So then and so that's all
that's important there. So flash forward to like another video
she made and she goes a lot of you were
asking about me putting my shoes on. Listen, I have
ADHD and I just can't stand wearing shoes, and I
(38:28):
I just wanted to curb Stomper cause what does that
have anything to do with having ADHD? Why let me?
This isn't just her now at this point, this is
to the entire internet. Not every personality trait you have
is related to having ADHD or whatever whatever else you have.
All Right, sometimes you just don't like shoes and it's
(38:50):
not a trait of anything else.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Stop doing that. It is so stupid.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It is so annoying. Like, if you want to talk
about a sense.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
You can have a sensory issue where you just don't
like things on your feet, but that's just a personal preference.
You just don't like things on your feet.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Anyway, Sensory issues and ADHD can go hand in hand.
I'm not see even saying that they don't. But like,
just say, yeah, I took my shoes off in there.
We don't need a scientific explanation as to why why
you took shoes off. Okay, it's cringe, it's weird. We
liter really do not have to do that. It is
so lame, but yeah, that's what she said. She said
she took her shoes off in her psychiatrist's office because
(39:30):
she has ADHD And I'm like, okay, just so stupid.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah. The way that she speaks is very like slimy.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
The laugh, the laugh she did that you hated.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Oh yeah, she said something. I was like, ah, she
was like like, oh, I hate it. It's such a fake, condescending,
Like just the way that she delivers everything is slimy. Yes,
and cunty Nasty's that's a bad word, but cunty.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
It's nasty something nasty. So before that was the start
of were talk talking about the word nasty, and you said,
nasty sounds like exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yes, So the word sounds like what it means. Yes,
So like the word nasty sounds nasty. It sounds like,
oh gross, just the way the words come out, just
like how moist to me sounds like what moist is.
But there's certain or like crunchy, crunchy is kind of
a crunchy or crackle crackles like a crackly word. Right,
(40:28):
There's certain words.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Crackle is definitely a cracky.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Crackly word. Right, There's certain words that just sound like
what they mean.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, I just that was just a random smart She's
just like a nasty psycho bitch. I don't know, like sorry,
not really, that's just so weird the poor I mean,
and I keep waiting. So the reason I even stuck
this out was because I listened to the story of
who the F Did I marry, which was like the
longest story ever on TikTok, but they were also like
ten minute long vido. It was like a soap opera,
(40:56):
and she was a great storyteller. So then when this
got all popular, I was like, oh man, I've been
waiting for something. Did not even not even remotely close
this woman as a psychopath? No, he needs a protective
order immediately for real. It's giving a little like some
of you.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Maybe. I don't know if y'allre aware of Lonely Girl fifteen,
so like way back in the day, and I had
to google it to make sure I was remembering correctly.
But there was like a video web series called Lonely
Girl fifteen and it was put up on YouTube and
it was basically like.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
So it was old.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
I'll read the summary of it. It sounds terrifying for
some reason. It was a science fiction thriller web series
that was independently released on YouTube from June two thousand
and six to August two thousand and eight, and was
briefly released on rever and MySpace, which were two other platforms.
(41:53):
The series revolves around the initially Monday life of homeschooled
sixteen year old bree Avery, who uses who has the
username Lonely Girl fifteen online. She goes on the run
with her friend Danielle Daniel after her parents mysterious religion
is revealed to be the Order of Blood harvesting operation
that wants her trait positive blood. The series is presented
(42:15):
through video blogs or vlogs Oh Wow Yeah, originally recorded
solely from Breeze bedroom. So basically they filmed it like
they were vlog episodes and this girl like it was
presented almost like it was a true like this is
actually happening to her right, and so it was eventually
(42:36):
like it got to the point where like she would
release new episodes of it and stuff, but it was
all put on like Lonely Girl fifteen's like YouTube channel
type thing, and so people thought it was real, but
then eventually they figured they were like, oh, this is
a Hugs blah blah blah, not understanding that it was
like a scripted series.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
And I missed that on YouTube so much. There were
so many things like that where you're like, it's and
it was funny people would call it a hoax rather
than like it was, it's a hoax rather than just
like a skit or like a TV show or like entertainment.
We're just like you because that at that point YouTube
it was just to post whatever video is on. So
(43:13):
the concept of like post performing performing was like nuts.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah. I mean it was in the same vein of
like Blair Witch Project, where you know, it's supposed it's
stylized like found footage documentary, like horror story, and people
were like, is it real?
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Is it not?
Speaker 1 (43:29):
I've never seen it, don't watch on the video. Yeah,
to me, it's in this again, the same vein as
like Paranormal Activity. Yeah, that was something else. It's yeah,
it's the found footage. Is it real?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Is it not?
Speaker 1 (43:41):
It's that same sort of style, right, But this was
a so that's what this TikTok series is giving to
me a little bit where it's like people, it's the
part of the point is to is to mock or
or or be a commentary on this style of media
(44:03):
and this style of storytelling.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
It's gotta be. I'm like, I hope to God that
what this is is it's her, like you said, basically
doing a commentary or like basically like skits or creating
this whole thing to really gets to criticize the overuse
of chat GPT because I was throughout the entire story
Henry was her chat jpt's name, Like the fact that
(44:25):
people are using it, using it as factual information, using
it like it's a person depending on it so much,
and she's making her whole personality about like ADHD. She
circles to that to that a lot.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
But she's also like a performance coach, like a development
like self help. I have this, but I can help
you by my twelve week course and I'll be your
personal coach like that sort of thing. And then she's
also like saying all these things and telling the story
while clearly she's not, like you said, a reliable narrator
because she's she's talking about using all of this stuff
(45:02):
in conjunction to like tell a story about she was
in love with supposedly her psychiatrist and he and again
like weaponizing the therapy, talk like all the things that
she's done that You're like, this is kind of nuts.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
It is all like God to say it almost looks
like social commentary and how everybody speaks. And if it is,
she's a genius.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I'm so yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Right now, if if she finally if she comes out
and says, did you think that was crazy? Well, that's
what half of you sound like. I would be like
you should. That would put everybody in their place because
I'm like, and people are so quick to believe and
that's it. But another thing too, though, that I do
think that we have way too much of there's too
many armchair couch therapists that I'm a therapist. I'm a
(45:43):
I'm a People will are so quick to go I'm
a licensed therapist. Here's my opinion on this. How do
you know that's real? How do you know they are?
We trust all these people that say they're certified and something.
Do you even I'm a certified dermatologist. I could throw
on scrubs, put on a get a nice plane backdrop,
and you would never know.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
So it's just always there are ways to fact check
things like that, because it's the effort. If you're certified,
who's certifying you, and if they are certifying you, I
should be able to fact check that independently through that
certification service like board certified surgeons, doctors, dermatologists, whatever, you
can fact check. You can call the board that certified them.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, and be like, I'm just saying, there's so many
people that you think that can just say something and
we're like, oh, we'll take the stupid stuff like that
as fact. But then there are other things that we're
just like, no, it's just crazy. But I'm like, I
hope to god, it's so ridiculous that it can't be real.
And I hope she comes out because if it is
all just a social commentary, in her just it's all satire,
(46:42):
she's a genius.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
And the fact that it even blew up to the
point where like the audience watching is involved and actively
part of the narrative and the story, like it's real
time art like development, like interactive.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
God, I hope it's not real. I hope so too,
because I will have so much respect. If it's all
just a social commentary thing and it's all sides hire,
I'm like, she's a somebody hire he immiately she's a genius. Yeah,
but if it's not, honestly, lock her.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Up and she's either the worst actress or the best.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yes, she's either delusional or she's like give her an
oscar for real. Well, I think that's that's pretty much it.
So we haven't sat us in a while. We don't
have any stories right now. But if you have a
story where you were yelling or you were being yelled at,
or you were you want some advice on something or
you want event, we would love to hear from you,
(47:35):
and we love to talk about it on here and
give you advice, even though we are clearly not certified
any by any board to give you any except the
Board of Delusion.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
So yeah, and we are just to give everyone sort
of an update of where our content is headed. So
we have been covering a lot of f one stuff lately.
That's just been like our both of our hyper focus
and the start. We just love it. We're obsessed with it,
and it is a lot of work to put those
episodes out every week. But the goal has always been
to still do episodes like these, similar to you know,
(48:07):
when we first tried to decide if we wanted to
do F one reviews and stuff like that, I was like, well,
Joe Rogan puts out his MMA stuff and he has
special MMA episodes, but he still talks about whatever the
hell he wants to talk about things that interest him.
So I was like, if he can do it, why
can't we do it?
Speaker 2 (48:26):
But Joe Rogan, a multimillionaire, can do it with all
the help that he has, why can't we do it too?
Speaker 1 (48:31):
So in theory, we can. It's just a matter of
making sure we have the time and the resources, and
time is the biggest resource to be able to get
those episodes out. So that has always been the goal.
That is still the goal. We still want to talk
about all the other pop culture, current event things happening
in the world stuff. We still want to talk about
all those things, and the plan is to do that
(48:52):
more going forward. So ideally we would put out two
episodes a week. We're not committing to that.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
No, we're committing to the F one season for sure.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, and at least on the weeks when there are
some extended breaks in between, we will be doing more
content like this, Yeah for sure. So yeah, I think
that's it.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
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if you have a story where you were yelling, you
were being yelled at, or you just want some advice,
or you want a vent, or you just have some
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we said, we're clearly not professionals or certified by anybody
to give you advice, but we will anyway at your
(49:30):
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storytime at gmail dot com. We would love to hear
from you, guys. And that wraps it up, so we
will talk at you whenever we talk at you next Bye,
Jeans are passed down from parents to offspring.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Often determining traits like hair color, personality, and even eye color.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
My jeans have a rip in the knee and a
ketchup stain from last Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
My jeans think straight leg is a political stance.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
My genes think distressed is an emotional state.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
My jeans are convinced that they're vintage because they're tired.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
My jeans can't decide if they're skinny or relaxed fit.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
My jeans are low rise, and so is my self esteem.
My jeans are confused.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
And Jessica, let's talk about Hiller.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
That'll make sense later.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I'm immaculately conceived.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I swear I'm not stupid.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Take it or leave that. Sometimes you just want to
leave it, do.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I gotta bar my mom's underwear. I'm borrowing her underwear.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, dar jar baits. I'm not gonna edit it out.
I don't know like I I got.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It's pretty great suck. Why are you saying with a
question mark clack, bitch?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
All right, three two one?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Actually, and we're live. I'm in and I'm Jessica, and
this is why are you yelling and we have okay jeans.
I guess I hope you like our skit. Yeah, that
took a lot of time. I hope it's as funny
as we think it is now.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, the whole gene things kind of I'm just concerned
and confused by all of it.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
All of it confused.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Just to set the stage for those who don't know,
we're referring to the American Eagle Jeans ad. It came
out like relatively recently, featuring Sidney Sweeney. She's one a
couple of spots for them. Uh, but the one we're
referring to is the one we just did a period of,
which is where she says, my genes are blue and
it's a play on G E N E s, like
your hereditary genes. Yeah, and G E A N s
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your denim genes. Right. And I don't have a problem
in general with just like the I don't mind the
play on jeans genes, like it's fine.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I mean people have done it in the past.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, I think that. You know, Sidney Sweeney has great genes. Okay, Yeah, sure,
she's a pretty girl.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Oh but she's like the hot the hot commodity she's
like the desired person right now her like Anna di
Armis or like the girls that everybody's drolling over.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah. So I mean in general the commercial is like fine.
I don't think like specifically the genes featured in like
the commercial. I don't know if it's in this one,
but there was another commercial where she talks about like
how great the genes make her butt look and stuff
like that, and I'm just like, the genes look not great,
Like they don't make your butt look good. Like I'm
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not saying whether she has a good butt or not.
I'm saying those genes to me were not flattering.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
No, well everybody was like half the internet just went
could nuts. The other half was like done. Those jeans
were not great.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah. So when I first saw it, I just thought, well,
this was a bit odd, like the first So I
actually the very first commercial I saw was the one
of where the camera is like because looking at her
as they pointed to her boobs, and then she goes,
my eyes are up here, and I'm like, what the
what the heck? What why is this a gens? Like
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what does it have to do with denim pants? Yeah,
So that was really the only thing. That was my
first thing, and then I saw the other one and
I just was like, okay, I mean in whatever I
mean correct, honestly, just kind of cringe, just whatever it.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Was, even it's not making me want to go buy
those pants or those genes.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
To be fair, the only ad that's ever made me
want to do that is the Beyonce ad, the Levis
Beyonce ad. And that's just because one Levi's is a
good brand anyway, and those jeans do look like snatched
on her and they look great. But I'm I'm like,
to be fair, most commercials, most clothing commercials in general,
I never see one and go, I mean I have
to have that because most of the time I already
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kind of am like you never know what I like.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know where you buy your genes from. Like, if
you've reached our age, right, you have tried on jeans
from so many different stores. You've gone through the struggle
of trying to find the perfect pair of in style
fits you right, makes your butt look good, doesn't gap
at the waist, does it become baggy throughout the day,
like fits with your esthetic. Like we've gone through the struggle.
(04:35):
We know what genes we like, like, there's one particular
brand of genes that I can buy without even trying
them on because the style the fit, like everything I
know is gonna fit me right, and it's what I like.
So we know was that I'm not giving them that
free promo.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Oh my god, but who is it?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
People? Okay, people hate on Old Navy. I love their genes,
but specific cuts and specific like lines of their genes,
not all, not all their genes are created.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Anymore now, and I had I had an issue with
one of their genes because literally the washes fit different
and there they had a wide leg jene that I loved,
and I'm like, I wanted the darker wash. It did
not fit the way the lighter and I was very upset.
But I mean, I have a lot of Old Navy genes,
but yeah I didn't. So then I was like, oh whatever.
But then the Internet then people, and I truthfully so,
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my friend shared something on their story about poking fun
and everybody who was going super political with it, and
I was confused because he basically was making it because
I at the time I knew nothing about this, like
white supremacy ad apparently is what everybody thinks that it is,
and so I'm like, nobody thinks that, dude, Like, that's
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probably like one percent on the internet. Apparently it was
way more people than I thought. So I stand corrected
because I'm like, is this real life?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah? So again, for those who don't know, the biggest
sort of controversy coming and criticism coming out from this
commercial in this ad campaign is that the creative choice
for the commercials specifically talking about g like hereditary genes,
they're saying that it promotes eugenics, which basically is like,
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is like a I'll just read from what this NPR
article says. It says the company's creative choices have prompted
some to say that the ad campaign promotes eugenics, a
discredited scientific theory popular among white supremacists that the human
race could be improved by breeding out less desirable traits.
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Others are saying the uproar is the culture's response from
a society hell bent on sexualizing women, and a lot
of people are taking issue with the hyper sexualized nature
of the ads, especially since the company says the ad
campaign is supposed to raise raise domestic violence awareness, a
cause Sidney Sweeney is passionate about and one dred percent
of the purchase price of the genes will be donated
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to Crisis text Line, a charity offers mental health services.
But of what genes ill them? The specific genes that
are in the AD. But I don't even know what
genes are in the AD.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, so I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
I guess it's a specific pair. So basically, the criticism
is that people are concerned that this ad is promoting
eugenics and Nazi propaganda because Sidney Sweeney is white, blonde haired,
blue eyed, and specifically the ad were the initial ad.
We were talking about talks. She says, my eyes are
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blue or my genes are blue, referring to her eye color. Yeah.
So the that's what the controversy is is that a
lot of people are saying that it's about Nazis and
promoting Nazi Nazis and eugenics. Wow. And I was just
I didn't get that at all at all, Like my
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mind did not go anywhere near they're promoting Nazis. What
what are we talking about? I'm like, have we lost
the plot?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
We lost a long time ago, Dude, we've been lost
the plot.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I just don't like, I think there there are certain
things we should be concerned about, just in general, if
we hear certain figureheads or certain people talking about specific
topics and going along a certain narrative line. I do
not think we need to be concerned about American eagle
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genes promoting eugenics. No, I just and maybe that's me
being naive. Maybe I'm not aware of if around World
War two there were a lot of clothing brands that
were specifically promoting the beliefs of the Nazis. Maybe that
was happening. I don't know, I'm not aware of that,
if that is the case, But I mean, I just
feel like it's being way blown Were they were wearing
(08:48):
Hugo as Yeah, but no, I uh, I just think
it's being blown way out of proportion. And it feels
a little like hyper vigilance in terms of like people
like waiting to point at something and say, ah, look
we caught you. Yeah they hate her, so they're not
just her, but just in general, trying to point to
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any company saying anything or doing anything that could remotely
be considered wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Oh yeah, there is. There's So there's one more controversy
surrounding it, and it is have you seen you know
who Brooke Shields is. Yes, So back in nineteen eighty
she did a Calvin Klein ad where she was fifteen
years old, And have you seen this ad before? Where
basically it's the same, it's it's the same sort of concept,
but like it's so over like it's so overly sexualized.
(09:36):
If you haven't seen it, actually you should pull it
up and watch it and we can just kind of
start from there, because that's another reason people, but I
have thoughts on that, but i'd let you watch.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
It first a few moments later.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
So if you haven't seen the brook Shields ad, it
is an ad she did in nineteen eighty and she
was fifteen years old. She was fifteen when she did that.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
That's and she's like writhing around on the floor. It's
longer than the Sydney Sweeney ad. It's the same sort
of same premise. It's the whole play on play of
jeans and jeans, but like what she's like lying on
the floor with like a slightly longer like almost like
a robe top, silky robe vibe, and then like she's
lying on the floor shimming her jeans up her leg
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breath out of breath, like thrusting her hips left and right,
like trying to get the jeans on. She's rolling around,
there's lots of like displaying her flexibility. Like that's very
and sexualized.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Did you watch The Brookshield, the documentary that came out
like two or three years ago.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Uh, I'm aware of so I had watched it in
her whole situation.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, and I so I watched it, and that is
like something very sensitive to her, Like she like tears
up and she gets upset when she talks about it
because it's so obvious, like it was clearly inappropriate. Clearly
they were sexualizing a fifteen year old girl. And mind you,
like Calvin Klein was like American Eagle is like a
tea like arguably a teenage brand. Calvin Klein is Calvin Klein.
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So not saying it's okay from American Neagle to sexray
the teenage girl. I'm just saying, like a grown up
brand literally went and prayed on a teenager at the time.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, I mean, And that's all even tied to when
when she did The Blue Lagoon, Yes, which was its
own traumatic experience for her being young, a young actress
and forced to do things and.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Just yeah, awful awful, So there's two things with it
where so it's also being compared to that and you
know the hyper sex. They basically saying it's hyper sexual
in a way, like I can understand the camp of
people that are basically saying it was very insensitive to do,
considering for Sydney Sidney Sweeny to do that just after
the controversy with that particular ad with Calvin Klein from Brookshield,
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you know, saying basically it's just insensitive and kind of
poor taste and just you know, kind of like you
And it was something that was reas brought up recently,
you know, within like the past two or three years,
And so I can understand that criticism of it, Like
even if I don't ass really think it's that deep,
I can understand the criticism of like you think that
was the only idea you had. But so the other
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part of it though that I don't it's not the
same thing where Sidney Sweeney's like twenty seven years old.
I think she's a grown woman who could who and
the culture now is so different than when like brook
Shield was doing it. Like if Sidney Sweeney didn't want
to do that ad, she didn't have to do that
ad and if she was uncomfortable with an American eagle
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tried to take her down or try to say anything
negative about her, and the second that went public, people
would be like, excuse me, and would be on Sidney's
side in like two seconds. So it's like Brooke Shield
was a fifteen year old girl who was taken advantage
of by a large company, and probably she had no
idea what she was doing. You know, she was just
doing what they said. She wasn't realizing how like disgustingly
perverted the whole thing was. I don't think that's comparable
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in that sense. It's like you have one's a teenage
girl being taken advantage of a one as a grown woman,
completely fine, And the thing is, I don't if I don't,
I also don't think Sidney a villain if she's being sexualized,
if she knows it, Like, why is it now that
if women are empowered and they're just like in their
sexuality and she knows it. Basically, basically, Sidney Sweeny knows
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she's hot and she's stating that she's hot, why is
that a problem?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Like?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Why is that suddenly a bad thing? Like what's going on?
Like what it's like we've we take these steps forward
to all of a sudden be mad at women for
sexualizing themselves, if you want a word it like that,
Like it doesn't make any sense to me because this
whole like white supremacy Nazi thing. I'm like, this all
(13:37):
just feels like a cover up for the fact that
you just don't like her because she's desirable, and it
feels like like you were saying where it's like, ah, gotcha,
fine me, I have a reason to complain because you
can't complain that she's hot or you're a bitch and
you are if that's why you're complaining. You can't complain
that she's sexy. You can't complain about her just existing
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as a woman because now as a society, we know
that that's wrong. So you can't publicly just do that
right because you are the asshole. But you can criticize
her for something else as long as anything else presents itself.
So the reaching is so far here where I'm like,
let's just be honest. You're all using this as a
cover up because you're sexist and you don't like her
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because she's like desired by men. That's what it boils
down to. She's desired by men and women hate her. Yeah,
that's just what it feels like. The reaching is so
far at this point that I'm like, what are y'all
talking about the Nazis?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Who's what? So I get where some people may be
a little sensitive to the idea of like eugenics and
Nazi propaganda. Like I get that, especially in our current
political climate when there is so much going on about
like the whole like uh immigrant thing and the whole
(14:58):
like if you're not born in the U and you're
not born here and you're not an American, then you
shouldn't be here. Like I get people hearing this sort
of rhetoric and these topics being discussed and then being
very sensitive to some sort of ad or what they
view as propaganda, like then leaning more into the discussion
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of like of like where you're born or the bloodlines
passed down, you know, from generation to gener Like I
get how all of that could connect and you could
be sensitive to that sort of stuff. But then I
also think, like we need to just take a deep
breath collectively and just chill out. Like I get you
do need watchdogs in any society. You need people who
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are going to be like, are you overstepping? Are you
doing things that we would consider like that are stripping
our freedoms or leaning toward that way? And I get that,
but that's this is an American Eagle ad for pants.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That's what I'm saying. It's like, it's literally about genes
and the whole the whole point any other part about her.
My genes are blue. It was a play on her
eyes and a play on blue jeans. Yes, it's just
a play on words literally, like people do it in
songs all the time. Like I've heard multiple song lyrics
like that. So I just am so.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Like, I don't even know that, like the concept of
the ad. It would make more sense for a different
brand of gene because I do not associate American Eagle
jenes with high quality denim that has passed down like
from mother to daughter.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
No, that's Levi's under Levi jeans. Yeah, Levi Jenes you
can have like for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Because they're high quality, they're durable, they're like thick sturdy pants,
like they're sturdy.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
They're actual, they're like pure, actual true denim genes. They're
not like the denim stretch blend.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
No, because I've tried on American Eagle janes, don't like
the way they fit and they're very thin. So yeah,
I don't think that that even premise works the best
for an ad for American Eagle because it would there
would be the extra layer of, you know, jeans are
passed down from like parents to offspring. That would make
more sense if we're talking about a higher quality garment
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and American Eagle is not.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
That could also make a way better ad by having
like I just literally had an add in my head,
not giving it to you now. I mean literally, if
you're gonna do, if you're doing it, do the whole
play on words of like jeans and jeans and passed
down like you could literally just have a mom in
like the eighties with her her Levi or the nineties
with her Levi jeans, rocking out, doing whatever, and then
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the fact that like so munny fashion trends are now
reoccurring within society from back then, the mom can either hand,
here's a pair of jeans, or maybe she's like, oh, mom,
I need a pair of jeans.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I don't have any, do any that are like this?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And then she goes, oh, yeah, I do, and it's
those same parading that she gives them, and they fit perfectly, like.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Or even honestly if you even do like younger. So
like people that were buying jeans in the early two
thousands with the embroidered pockets and stuff, all that is
bad style now. So literally it could be a middle
school going into high school eight like teenager being like,
oh I love these, you know, and then it's the
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whole thing, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I mean did the whole concept. I mean, just do
a commercial like that. Then it's just like she's just
laying there the backdrop like gins.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, well, and she's shimming on the jeans just like
the Brookshield dat. She's not writhing around, but she's still
pulling them up and butting them up.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I just don't. But even then it's like it was
just like what, Yeah, people want to be mad at
her because they don't like her, and they can't say
why they don't really like her, because like it's not
actually socially acceptable to hate somebody because they're pretty anymore,
because it's stupid. But so they just jump on any
little thing she did, Like they got mad at her
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when she was selling the soap with her bath water
or whatever, and they were like, are we taking how
many they've tried to say that was a step back
for feminism? And I was like, I mean, she's getting
paid for her bath water. If that's even real, it's
probably not even probably just some kind of joke. They
probably just labeled it that way. But the fact is, like,
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that's funny though, because she is an overt sexualized celebrity
and she's leaning into it, and she's leaning into it
where it's like, we'll pay for it, then pay for
my bath water, you scumbag. If you bought that, bro, Like,
it's more like your that's nuts that you bought that.
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Becau's more about you than it does about her.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, So I'm just like, so she so a woman's
allowed to be hot, but she can't know she's hot.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
And she can't profit from it if she can't lean
into it, she can't acknowledge it, she can't be aware
of her hotness. She just has to be hot. She
has to be hot, damn it. Why is the Barbie
monologue coming back?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Well, because it's crazy because I'm like, you know, I
didn't really saw like no dudes mad about the ad.
Everybody I socle planning. Mostly we're like women, and I'm like,
just be honest, you hate her because she's pretty well,
she's beyond pretty. She's hot, she's gorgeous, successful, and she's desirable.
It's it's like the same way that people the Leonardo
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DiCaprio will only date, like young women only date, like
we actually know this just a joke, and women get
mad about it, and I'm like, you're just mad because
you won't date you. This actually doesn't matter, it doesn't
affect you at all. It's just this. It's jealousy, and
it's like the first the first thing you can do
is jump on this and you mask it as like
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a social cause of like that's why you're did white supremacist.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
She's a white supremacist.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Just go touch grass, dude, Like it's crazy because call
the ad lame, call the ad lazy, call the ad
over sexualized, call the ad insensitive, to Brookshield, all of
those things you could be right on and at least
it's more valid than acting like she was. They're acting
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like the commercial took place in place in Auschwitz in
the I'm like, they are acting like that is what
they said, and I'm like, dude.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
I would even argue if someone said it was over sexualized,
I would argue that it's not. It's sexual. It's got
sexual tones to it. I mean she's pulling on pants
in a reclined position. You can see like side under
boobe with her open denim jacket with nothing on underneath it.
But I mean she's not simulating sexual acts. She's not
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nude like it's sexual. But that doesn't make it the
devil no. I mean there was the one where the
camera's definitely looking at her boobs. Oh well, yeah, I
was referring to this specific because I think.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
There were like a few that were put out, and
there was the one where she goes, my eyes are
up here and I'm like, bro, damn, like they're just
straight up like she got big old bitties, and they
just were like leaning into it immediately. What she does.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
I mean, it is what it is. That's just the
way she looks. That's her body. Yeah, so I don't
And that's to me, that's more funny than anything that's
like her finding it's like playing into the humor of like, yeah,
I got boobs, and that it is what it is like,
is that what do you want to do about it?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, it's just the whole thing just is ridiculous. And
the fact that I actually read because I truly thought
this was just a few people being nuts, and then
I saw it was way more people being nuts than
I thought, And I'm like, dude, there, why are there
college professors actually giving statements about this? Can you just
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go teach a class instead? Actually we need maybe should
you be teaching a class? If this is what you
think this ad is? Like? That is crazy?
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I mean I would say there could be academic value
if one, it was a trend, if you saw multiple
ads across various industries in this same sort of vein
promoting these sort of supposed you know, eugenics, ideology, whatever,
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Nazi propaganda. There would be academic value in comparing modern
day ads to advertisements that were around around World War
Two and the rise of the Nazi Party. Right, there's
academic value in that because you're studying the past comparing
it to the present, seeing what you know, history repeats itself,
(23:16):
is it really? You know, there is academic value comparing those,
but you can't go into it predetermining that yes, it
is repeating itself, and this is the same. You have
to go into it asking the question and then being
okay with whatever answer you arrive at and not like
having a bias going into it and like it's a
confirmation bias.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, it's that.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
And it's also like, if you're wanting to like actually
look at it that way and compare this commercial to
ones that were being put out at the time of
you know, World War two, doing it in an academic
sense versus like a very emotionally heightened state.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Is this completely differently shouting online?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Well, it's also like, say you compare them and you
actually find that there were ads that were similar, that's
just the conclusion. You still aren't saying what the intention
was with this ad. You know what I'm saying. All
you can do at that time is compare, Oh yeah,
these were similar, actually, and that's just a conclusion, and
you're not saying what their intention was, And you're not
saying who's horrible and who's this and who's that. You're
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just saying, at the time, this is this, This is
just these are the facts, and that's however you feel
about them is how you feel about them. But when
I can't present that information emotionally.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, you can look at the physical materials. You can
compare the imagery, the wording and verbiage that's used, the
types of people featured in those ads. You can compare
those concrete factual things. These ads for World War two
that said XYZ things, they featured these types of people,
they look like this, they were in these types of industries,
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these ads. Now you compare the same exact things, and
if they are comparable, if you find that there is
similarities between the two, that's all you can say for that.
Like to then extrapolate and draw conclusions about the intention
of modern day ads that happen to feature these things,
I think is a bit of a stretch. If you
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don't have if you don't have patterns, if you don't
have like a concrete like evidence of those things. Right,
So I think that, And yeah, I'm aware that propaganda
is supposed to be more sly, it's supposed to be
more conniving and not so obvious initially when that's how
(25:32):
it's most effective. Right, I get that, And I get
how you can be a little bit of like a
watchdog about propaganda and being like, let's be a little
careful about what But I mean, does anyone on the
board of American Eagle have ties to the Nazi Party?
Are any of them white supremacists? Are they part of
the KKK? Like is anyone in the creative department, marketing department.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
For wouldn't it be kind of lame if somebody was?
But like that was like that they're not relative and
they don't even have any ties to that, and they're
super ashamed about it. And then they're tied to this
ad and they're just like that's literally a coincidence. That
would suck. Yeah, the whole thing's just crazy to me,
Like the whole thing is just it just seems like
wave blown out of proportion. And then the fact that
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our president chimed in is just crazy. So we'll just
leave it at that. We don't even have to go
We won't we won't go in. He has a statement.
The only thing I'm gonna say is he spelt her
name wrong like twice, like the whole time he's was
typing it.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
That's how I know.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
That's how I know it's him typing, and that's who
to be honest, Like, it's one of those things that
I wish I could be in there. There's two things. Okay,
I'm not gonna I don't want to. I don't run
a political podcast, but I do. There are two things
I want to say. Since I just I just brought
up Trump, I wish I was in the room when
he was tweeting sometimes because I just want to know
how he holds his phone. I want to know what
(26:54):
is Is he one of these like or is he.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Like a like a furious thumb yeah, typer, Or.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Is he like a a one finger picker like yeah,
I want to know, Or is he's like say this,
but is he dictating to somebody comes across like he
wrote it?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Though? Because of all the I wonder if I would
die if there was someone on his staff whose job
it was was to like he did. He says what
he wants his tweets to say, and that person's job
is to like write it down in his style of tweeting.
Like is there somebody who has cultivated a style of
Twitter post in the voice of Donald trust and like
(27:32):
that's their job is to make is like he just
says things and then they and he's like tweet it.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Post it perfect, love it. Make this all caps like
I just wish I could. I wish that I just
would have parentheses, three exclamation marks, like I just wish
that I could be in the room when that happened,
at least once, but like invisible, because I just truly
feel like that would be the most hysteric experience of
(28:00):
my life. The second thing I wish I was in
the room for was when he saw those South Park episodes.
I truly wish I was in the at least the
building for that because that was hysterical. But that's a
whole other thing. Yeah, well, Sydney, hope that a lot
of people buy the jeans. Yeah, and maybe.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
You know what, maybe I'll go to our local American
Eagle and try on your your gins, white supremacist jeens.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah, maybe I will not.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Thanks.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
The last time I tried on we tried on American
We last time I tried on American Eagle jeens was
with you, and it was a horrible experience. Yeah, we both.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
This was a couple of years ago. Yeah, we're trying
to find.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
They're trying to get that's when wide Leg was finally
coming out or like straight you know, we're trying to
find the jeans that are tied on your booty but
then looser in the leg, because I don't I want
to still have form on like my like my up
my upper thighs, in my butt. I really wanted tightness,
but then I wanted the looseness. And we literally could
buy them nowhere, yes, at the time, and.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
So we were trying different places and American Eagle jeans
were just traumatizing.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
It for me. Yeah, they just took go back.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, they just didn't fit good anywhere, Like you could
size up, size down, Like, none of it fit right
no matter what size you tried on. It was either
too loose too tight simultaneously in different places. It was
just bad. And they were poor quality for as expensive
as they were. I remember that. So I don't know, Sidney,
(29:28):
So not to shit talk American egle jeans, but I
prefer the best.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I used to I used to when like skinny jeans
were the thing. I mean, I used to buy American
eagle jeans, but not anymore. I have, not like in
yours anyway. So the other thing that's been going on,
I don't know how to segue at all. What are
we talking about? The crazy lady? Okay, So speaking of
crazy people on the internet. Yeah, this one, she's nuts.
(29:55):
This woman is certifiably the most psychotic person. So okay,
let me back it up if I just want to
jump in and there's immediately go into it. Okay. So
for those who are not aware, there is a woman
on TikTok who is telling her truth. And she is
(30:15):
framing her truth as she was in love with her
psychiatrists for four years and he knew and he kept
her as a client anyway until she finally had the
strength to leave four years later. That's how she frames it.
And so then she starts the story. And let me
tell you something, I really hope that the psychiatrist has
(30:37):
went to the police and got a restraining order, because
that bitch is crazy. She's certifiably like insane to the
point that I'm like, this is a parody, right, Like
she doesn't believe these things. This isn't real. Like I
saw a few comments that were like, no, no, she's
like an author and this is like about being an
unreliable narrator. And I'm like, if that ends up being
(30:59):
the case, girl's a g because it's so delusional to
the point that I'm like, this woman once said he
kept his boundaries, like he had his boundary so hard,
but he controlled with his boundaries. He would get to
the edge of the boundary to tease her, but like
he would never pass the boundary. And I'm like, that's
(31:19):
called a boundary. You can even walk up to the boundary,
but you can't pass the boundary. So literally everything she
said he did was within the confines of him being
a professional.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Like everything everything.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Then she had a therapist who was a seventy five
year old white lady PhD therapist is what she kept
calling her, who she was like super crazy. It was
going over the boundaries and stuff, and I in a way,
I'm like, this can't be real. I feel like she's
telling this story and she's purposely having a person who
is clearly not like doing anything wrong with the boundaries.
(31:58):
And then she has another like a therapist who is
clearly like the therapist she talked about was extremely unprofessional
throughout the whole story, And so I'm just kind of like,
if this is real, I truly don't even have the
mental capacity to understand how this even came to be.
But basically, she's telling this story and there's just nothing
(32:26):
He's done. She's turned off comments because everyone's like, girl,
what are you talking about? Then she gets really into
her chat GPT and she asks it and it tried.
Chat tried to reel her in at first, y'all. It
was like girl, no, and then it just ended up
feeding into her delusions because it's going to if you
just ask it too basically yep. And she called it Henry.
(32:46):
I mean, she was emailing her psychiatrist all the time,
and I'd like to point something out. She said she
was obsessed with him. She said it was like she
couldn't stop thinking about him. I mean, she was like
in love, like infatuated. Right, She saw this man once
a month for thirty minutes over zoom until she did
(33:09):
end up going after like it. We're into like year
three or four at this point, like basically towards the
end of when she finally ends things, which I'll tell
you how she did that.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
So over the course of three or four years, she's
spoken to him for a total of six eighteen to
twenty four hours yep, thirty minutes once a month. That's
six hours a year through a screen, through a screen
for eighteen to twenty four hours total, and you're in
(33:41):
love with him, Yes, you're crazy crazy everyty.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Thing she said about him, I'm like, he's literally done
nothing wrong. And she kept saying manipulation and he knew
and oh and I and she kept saying things like oh,
and I know he loved that, and I'm like, how
do you literally know that?
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Though?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Like what do you mean? So she ends finding out
that he has in person appointments, and then she schedules one,
and then she goes in and she has one, and
she tells this man in person, she's like, during the
full moon, I swear to god, I can't even do it. Okay,
(34:19):
during the full moon, she was ovulating, and so she
had a sex dream about him and they had sex
in his office. And then she tells us that she
has this dream and I'm like, ew, but not a crime.
Then she goes to her appointment and tells this man
to his face that she had a sectionary about him
in his office, and he goes she says, he's like, oh,
(34:44):
he's like stunned. And then apparently in the dream as well,
after it happened and she leaves, she's like distraw because
he she was sad that he didn't stick to his
boundaries because he should not be having sex with clients,
and well he's not.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Yeah, so she was distraught in the dream, in.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
The dream that it happened, even though she's so thirsty
for him. It's so weird. She's so, I don't get it,
because she's like, I love his boundaries, but he was
manipulating me and using everything I told I told him
against me, even though she gat like, literally no examples,
and she could never give any example whatsoever ever being inappropriate,
like ever, like zero literally zero, and so oh so
(35:27):
she had framed this whole story right at the very end.
She's like, well, when she first started it, she goes
till she had the strength to walk away. She didn't
have the strength to walk away. She didn't have no
more insurance. Those gonna cover those visits for free. And
so then she found out she was gonna have to
pay one hundred seven dollars a visit. She said, I
ad of doing that, she'd have the strength to walk
the strength to walk away. She doesn't want to pay
(35:48):
for it anymore.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
She just lost her job, however, quit got fired whatever,
lost her job, and no longer had that really good
free really good insurance that made the appointments free and
now she's gonna have to pay. And then she said
peace out, yep, And that was the strength.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
That was the strength, and she needs to tell her story.
She talks in a way that infuriates me. By the way.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Oh my god, I haven't watched all these clips I've seen.
I've listened to a couple of them before we started recording.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I was like, is there an update to this?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Oh god, she she is the epitome of like the
person who uses therapy speech as a weapon.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yes, she weaponizes at one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Is talking about boundaries and manipulation and like my.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Truth and oh god, ethics.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
And uh, it's so bad, it's really horrible. It's and
the wave the way that she delivers her lines to
the camera, because at this point that's what it comes
across as it does not feel real, it doesn't feel genuine,
like if this was something that had actually happened to me.
There's a even if you were to like bullet point
(36:59):
out your story to make sure you're including everything and
not jumping around too much you're trying to make narrative sense,
there's still a way that you would talk to the
camera and talk about it that is genuine and actually
you recounting things that actually happened, versus the way that
she's delivering this to the camera is she's putting she's
(37:20):
it's an affectation, yes, putting on a particular tone to
her voice. And the way that she's delivering these lines
that is just so clear it comes across is not
genuine whatsoever. And it makes you kind of want to
punch her in the face because you're like, you're crazy
and psychotic, but you're like delivering these lines in a
way that you think you're doing something.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Oh my god, Oh my god. And then she said this,
Oh my god. So she's also like an ADHD coach.
According to her, a twelve week program helps ADHD with
people with like alcoholism. We'll see whatever if she does,
great for her, if it works, cool, not even hating
on her all that, but bitterly she tells a story
of like I put my shoes on, because this is
is in an in person visit and at the time
she was telling she was recounting the story of her
(38:04):
in the office, and she said something like, you know what,
I put my shoes back on, and we stood up
and we walked out. So then and so that's all
that's important there. So flash forward to like another video
she made and she goes a lot of you were
asking about me putting my shoes on. Listen, I have
ADHD and I just can't stand wearing shoes, and I
(38:28):
I just wanted to curb Stomper cause what does that
have anything to do with having ADHD? Why let me?
This isn't just her now at this point, this is
to the entire internet. Not every personality trait you have
is related to having ADHD or whatever whatever else you have.
All Right, sometimes you just don't like shoes and it's
(38:50):
not a trait of anything else.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Stop doing that. It is so stupid.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It is so annoying. Like, if you want to talk
about a sense.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
You can have a sensory issue where you just don't
like things on your feet, but that's just a personal preference.
You just don't like things on your feet.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Anyway, Sensory issues and ADHD can go hand in hand.
I'm not see even saying that they don't. But like,
just say, yeah, I took my shoes off in there.
We don't need a scientific explanation as to why why
you took shoes off. Okay, it's cringe, it's weird. We
liter really do not have to do that. It is
so lame, but yeah, that's what she said. She said
she took her shoes off in her psychiatrist's office because
(39:30):
she has ADHD And I'm like, okay, just so stupid.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah. The way that she speaks is very like slimy.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
The laugh, the laugh she did that you hated.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Oh yeah, she said something. I was like, ah, she
was like like, oh, I hate it. It's such a fake, condescending,
Like just the way that she delivers everything is slimy. Yes,
and cunty Nasty's that's a bad word, but cunty.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
It's nasty something nasty. So before that was the start
of were talk talking about the word nasty, and you said,
nasty sounds like exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yes, So the word sounds like what it means. Yes,
So like the word nasty sounds nasty. It sounds like,
oh gross, just the way the words come out, just
like how moist to me sounds like what moist is.
But there's certain or like crunchy, crunchy is kind of
a crunchy or crackle crackles like a crackly word. Right,
(40:28):
There's certain words.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Crackle is definitely a cracky.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Crackly word. Right, There's certain words that just sound like
what they mean.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, I just that was just a random smart She's
just like a nasty psycho bitch. I don't know, like sorry,
not really, that's just so weird the poor I mean,
and I keep waiting. So the reason I even stuck
this out was because I listened to the story of
who the F Did I marry, which was like the
longest story ever on TikTok, but they were also like
ten minute long vido. It was like a soap opera,
(40:56):
and she was a great storyteller. So then when this
got all popular, I was like, oh man, I've been
waiting for something. Did not even not even remotely close
this woman as a psychopath? No, he needs a protective
order immediately for real. It's giving a little like some
of you.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Maybe. I don't know if y'allre aware of Lonely Girl fifteen,
so like way back in the day, and I had
to google it to make sure I was remembering correctly.
But there was like a video web series called Lonely
Girl fifteen and it was put up on YouTube and
it was basically like.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
So it was old.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
I'll read the summary of it. It sounds terrifying for
some reason. It was a science fiction thriller web series
that was independently released on YouTube from June two thousand
and six to August two thousand and eight, and was
briefly released on rever and MySpace, which were two other platforms.
(41:53):
The series revolves around the initially Monday life of homeschooled
sixteen year old bree Avery, who uses who has the
username Lonely Girl fifteen online. She goes on the run
with her friend Danielle Daniel after her parents mysterious religion
is revealed to be the Order of Blood harvesting operation
that wants her trait positive blood. The series is presented
(42:15):
through video blogs or vlogs Oh Wow Yeah, originally recorded
solely from Breeze bedroom. So basically they filmed it like
they were vlog episodes and this girl like it was
presented almost like it was a true like this is
actually happening to her right, and so it was eventually
(42:36):
like it got to the point where like she would
release new episodes of it and stuff, but it was
all put on like Lonely Girl fifteen's like YouTube channel
type thing, and so people thought it was real, but
then eventually they figured they were like, oh, this is
a Hugs blah blah blah, not understanding that it was
like a scripted series.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
And I missed that on YouTube so much. There were
so many things like that where you're like, it's and
it was funny people would call it a hoax rather
than like it was, it's a hoax rather than just
like a skit or like a TV show or like entertainment.
We're just like you because that at that point YouTube
it was just to post whatever video is on. So
(43:13):
the concept of like post performing performing was like nuts.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah. I mean it was in the same vein of
like Blair Witch Project, where you know, it's supposed it's
stylized like found footage documentary, like horror story, and people
were like, is it real?
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Is it not?
Speaker 1 (43:29):
I've never seen it, don't watch on the video. Yeah,
to me, it's in this again, the same vein as
like Paranormal Activity. Yeah, that was something else. It's yeah,
it's the found footage. Is it real?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Is it not?
Speaker 1 (43:41):
It's that same sort of style, right, But this was
a so that's what this TikTok series is giving to
me a little bit where it's like people, it's the
part of the point is to is to mock or
or or be a commentary on this style of media
(44:03):
and this style of storytelling.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
It's gotta be. I'm like, I hope to God that
what this is is it's her, like you said, basically
doing a commentary or like basically like skits or creating
this whole thing to really gets to criticize the overuse
of chat GPT because I was throughout the entire story
Henry was her chat jpt's name, Like the fact that
(44:25):
people are using it, using it as factual information, using
it like it's a person depending on it so much,
and she's making her whole personality about like ADHD. She
circles to that to that a lot.
Speaker 1 (44:38):
But she's also like a performance coach, like a development
like self help. I have this, but I can help
you by my twelve week course and I'll be your
personal coach like that sort of thing. And then she's
also like saying all these things and telling the story
while clearly she's not, like you said, a reliable narrator
because she's she's talking about using all of this stuff
(45:02):
in conjunction to like tell a story about she was
in love with supposedly her psychiatrist and he and again
like weaponizing the therapy, talk like all the things that
she's done that You're like, this is kind of nuts.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
It is all like God to say it almost looks
like social commentary and how everybody speaks. And if it is,
she's a genius.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I'm so yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Right now, if if she finally if she comes out
and says, did you think that was crazy? Well, that's
what half of you sound like. I would be like
you should. That would put everybody in their place because
I'm like, and people are so quick to believe and
that's it. But another thing too, though, that I do
think that we have way too much of there's too
many armchair couch therapists that I'm a therapist. I'm a
(45:43):
I'm a People will are so quick to go I'm
a licensed therapist. Here's my opinion on this. How do
you know that's real? How do you know they are?
We trust all these people that say they're certified and something.
Do you even I'm a certified dermatologist. I could throw
on scrubs, put on a get a nice plane backdrop,
and you would never know.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
So it's just always there are ways to fact check
things like that, because it's the effort. If you're certified,
who's certifying you, and if they are certifying you, I
should be able to fact check that independently through that
certification service like board certified surgeons, doctors, dermatologists, whatever, you
can fact check. You can call the board that certified them.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, and be like, I'm just saying, there's so many
people that you think that can just say something and
we're like, oh, we'll take the stupid stuff like that
as fact. But then there are other things that we're
just like, no, it's just crazy. But I'm like, I
hope to god, it's so ridiculous that it can't be real.
And I hope she comes out because if it is
all just a social commentary, in her just it's all satire,
(46:42):
she's a genius.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
And the fact that it even blew up to the
point where like the audience watching is involved and actively
part of the narrative and the story, like it's real
time art like development, like interactive.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
God, I hope it's not real. I hope so too,
because I will have so much respect. If it's all
just a social commentary thing and it's all sides hire,
I'm like, she's a somebody hire he immiately she's a genius. Yeah,
but if it's not, honestly, lock her.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Up and she's either the worst actress or the best.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yes, she's either delusional or she's like give her an
oscar for real. Well, I think that's that's pretty much it.
So we haven't sat us in a while. We don't
have any stories right now. But if you have a
story where you were yelling or you were being yelled at,
or you were you want some advice on something or
you want event, we would love to hear from you,
(47:35):
and we love to talk about it on here and
give you advice, even though we are clearly not certified
any by any board to give you any except the
Board of Delusion.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
So yeah, and we are just to give everyone sort
of an update of where our content is headed. So
we have been covering a lot of f one stuff lately.
That's just been like our both of our hyper focus
and the start. We just love it. We're obsessed with it,
and it is a lot of work to put those
episodes out every week. But the goal has always been
to still do episodes like these, similar to you know,
(48:07):
when we first tried to decide if we wanted to
do F one reviews and stuff like that, I was like, well,
Joe Rogan puts out his MMA stuff and he has
special MMA episodes, but he still talks about whatever the
hell he wants to talk about things that interest him.
So I was like, if he can do it, why
can't we do it?
Speaker 2 (48:26):
But Joe Rogan, a multimillionaire, can do it with all
the help that he has, why can't we do it too?
Speaker 1 (48:31):
So in theory, we can. It's just a matter of
making sure we have the time and the resources, and
time is the biggest resource to be able to get
those episodes out. So that has always been the goal.
That is still the goal. We still want to talk
about all the other pop culture, current event things happening
in the world stuff. We still want to talk about
all those things, and the plan is to do that
(48:52):
more going forward. So ideally we would put out two
episodes a week. We're not committing to that.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
No, we're committing to the F one season for sure.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, and at least on the weeks when there are
some extended breaks in between, we will be doing more
content like this, Yeah for sure. So yeah, I think
that's it.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Well, if you needed to submit a why were you Yelling? Story? Sorry, So,
if you have a story where you were yelling, you
were being yelled at, or you just want some advice,
or you want a vent, or you just have some
ridiculous story, we would love to hear it and give
you advice or just commentate on it, even though, like
we said, we're clearly not professionals or certified by anybody
to give you advice, but we will anyway at your
(49:30):
own risk. You can submit those stories at waypod dot
storytime at gmail dot com. We would love to hear
from you, guys. And that wraps it up, so we
will talk at you whenever we talk at you next Bye,
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