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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Why Johnny Hates Sports is a best selling book about
kids in sports. It chronicles why, at a very early age,
children are thrust into organized sports long before they have
the necessary skills to feel successful. Fathers and mothers are
asked to be their coach without having any training on
how to coach, and the leagues in which kids play
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are governed by volunteers whose main focus becomes scoreboards, championships,
and all star games. Statistics show that close to seventy
percent of kids will have quit by the age of thirteen.
Most said it ceased to be fun, and that's why
Johnny Hates Sports.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Hey, good morning, Lorenzo, and thanks a lot for being
here for why Johnny hates sports. Lorenzo is from Cabot, Arkansas,
and Lorenzo, you gotta tell me, first of all, where
is Cabot, Arkansas. And second tell the audience what you
know what your job is there with the rec department.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
So Cabot, Arkansas is probably about fifteen twenty minutes from
Little Rock. Northeast of Little Rock, we're still considered Central Arkansas.
I work with the Cabot Parks and Recreation Department out
of the city of Cabot, and I'm the recreation manager
here since twenty sixteen. Well, first my position was called
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program director, but then since we have expanded and grown
a lot, not just with our.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Sports but with our other buildings and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I've been here since twenty sixteen as the program director
and then recently this within this last year, they changed
my title to recreation manager and I oversee all the
youth in adult sports.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, you know, the number one thing that people keep
asking me about this show, and they say, you know,
it's why Johnny hates sports. And I try to explain,
as you saw in the book intro in the beginning,
about why Johnny hates sports. And you know when I
was growing up, I mean when I was a w
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RECT director in Wilmington, Delaware, That's when I made the
decision to do something about it because I would see
all kinds of examples of parents losing perspective, and I
can like idiots out there with their child screaming and
yelling when they're making the littlest mistakes. And then you
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see the coaches out there who you know. I mean,
they came out as ads who just were signed up.
I didn't say they signed up, they were signed up
to be a coach because they said, you know, you
can't have your kid in the program, I'll let you
come out to coach. And so they turned into a
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different character there when they put up scoreboards and standings,
all star teams and whatever. And then then all hell
broke loose when it got to the end of the
year when they're standings and championships. So I know, you,
along with all the other recreation directors around the country
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that we've had on the show, have had experiences. So
why do you tell me what happens in cabot And
from time to time things that you see, you know
that happens in your program. With parents and coaches.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
So some of the thin cabot here. You know, I
think every town, city is different. So you know, I've
seen some crazy things happen with the eleven years that
I've been here, parents getting parents arguing back and forth,
coaches arguing back and forth.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
That's just the worst thing to see in front of kids.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yes, we you know, yes, parents have signed up their
kids for a certain sport, but they really didn't sign
them up to play that sport. They really signed them
up for different aspects of that sport, or just rex
sports in general, you know, just the physical activity, you know, teamwork,
discipline in regards to communication like that. So we do
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have steps in regards to when when parents are coaches
spectators if they get out of line.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
We tried a.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Few things, it didn't work, but we have We have
a Sports Oversight Advisory Committee where if there is an
issue a rise where a parent coach gets ejected, it
can possibly go to them where they give them more
of a penalty. This was created about two years ago
here in our town just because we didn't are myself
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the recreation manager or our three recreational programmers that are
underneath me.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
We wouldn't be the judge, the jury and the executioner are.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
The advisory committee is made up of individuals that coach
in our league or have coached in our league, and
some just outside people that are recommended in regards to that.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So, yeah, I hear you, But what I don't hear
you saying in what I like to hear is and
not me, but the audience would like to hear. I mean,
give me some specific stories. You've had stories. You had
to have it or you wouldn't have a counsel, you
would have people oversight committee. You've had the examples of
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people really acting like idiots. Give me, give me a few.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Well, I do have a few stories in regardless of that.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
You know, you know one story, I think it was
my first year here where we had a coach from
another team coming into the gym and I started arguing
not even in the game that they were.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Playing against each other.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
That was very crazy because I was at a different
facility at that time, and then.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
I had a rush over to calm that down.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Another issue was, you know, unfortunately walking out an individual
that was in uniform that was enlisted into that you know, Army,
Air Force, whatever it was I couldn't remember Cat can't
remember the exact one that they were in, but that
was probably my second year, my third year here, we
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did have an individual within our basketball program chess bump
chess bump one of our referees and you know, bowed up,
you know, ready to throw down in front of first
and second graders. Unfortunately, at that time, the cops were
called to help escort that individual out of that facility
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at that time. And then, you know, we have issues where,
you know, I'd address an issue in regards to parents
yelling at each other and I had to get in
the middle of them because it's really happening in our
younger age divisions. You know, from our five you to
hate you and sometimes intend you not too much, but
they're so worried about like what within your book is,
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you know, they're so worried about the score the scoreboard
in regards to that. So it's very crazy of the
incidents that we have had to deal with within Cabot,
and sometimes it's you know, it's not every year, but
it's unfortunately, there's there's sometimes there's individuals that repeat, repeat, repeat,
in regards to arguing with each other. You know, acting
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out against officials. You know, it depends on the sport
for that. So yeah, so let's get back to the
first story.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
You said somebody came in and they weren't even part
of the program and it started to causing a problem.
What was the issue there? I mean, you don't just
walk into a gym or a field and what was that?
That's great?
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Yeah, so it was he was within our program.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
He was a coach from a different team in our
first and second grade basketball league.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Come to find out, it was something that was outside.
They knew each other for a while and.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
The first used to be first and second grade team. Yes,
that's I mean, we're talking about six year old, seven
year old and go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Sorry, Yeah, it's crazy when he was say it was
first second graders, you know, the age six seven, eight
year old, eight year olds. But yeah, I guess it
just deemed from past incidents. It was the first game
of a season. I was like, oh, great, this is
how we're going to start a basketball season in regards
to that. So I really didn't get too much into
detail in regards to it, but I guess they had
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a previous experience, you know, like growing up when they
were younger, and then through the high school days and
in regards to that, and then you know, just knowing
each other within our town, things being said about each
other and we didn't think anything.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
We didn't we didn't know all this was going on
in the past.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
But yeah, it just we didn't really know what it
was about in regards to the incident. But the worst
part about it, like I said, it was in front
of first and second graders.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Did you ever find out why, I mean, you said
something from the past or whatever with the guy that
was doing it was just out of poor behavior or what.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Well, well, it started with when he walked in the gym.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
He walked over to where the coaches and the teams
were at and he was like, well, first he said,
why are you staring at me? And the coach was like,
I wasn't staring at you. The game is going on
going on, and when you enter in the gym, you
can look straight through the court and looking at the
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front entrance of the part of our community center at
that time.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
In regards to because.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I'm not looking at you, I wasn't doing anything. I
was looking at my players. The game was going on,
So how could you accuse me of that. I guess
it come from deming from I guess this coach was
bullying this coach when they were in school and was
bad talking still to this day, not to this day,
but at that time, those coaches are no longer in
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our league, you know, like that was my first year here.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
So that was.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
In January of twenty fourteen for that.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Issue, and you said, welcome to you sports and cabin
right when you started. But you mentioned a guy in
the uniform. I mean what you meant by that story?
Speaker 5 (11:01):
What was that he was in the military.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
It was in our honestly, it was in our fifteen
U division in regards to there was a play at
the plate and the umpire called him out and he
was you know after you know, getting statements and stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
He was out, but he was just arguing, you know,
he was safe.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
He was the parent, was in the stands, and he
was in uniform being within the Armed.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Forces in regards to that.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
So you know, come to find out, I guess he,
you know, someoney contacted his first shirt in regards to
that within the military and within the Armed forces.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
I don't remember what branch.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
He was in, but I guess he did get a
stripe taken away in regards to how he was acting
within a fifteen U game, which our fifteen U division
consists of thirteen to fifteen year olds.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
So yeah, I remember people would say, oh, you know,
it's not as bad as you think it is and whatnot,
and I'd say, yes, it is if you were part
of a program like I was, and most recreation people
that I knew would echo the same thing. As a
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matter of fact, if they didn't, I would never have
been able to create the National Alliance for you sports
to be able to deal with the issue because people
would say, now, we don't have a problem. So yeah,
we do have a problem because of people like you
and Cabot and around the country having the same kind
of problems. I remember doing a thing with HBO, and
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you know, it was about the same issue, and they said,
are there any leagues or anything that we could go
and maybe find an example? And I thought, well, yeah,
so there was just the start of a football program,
and it said this hoping that maybe they can find something.
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You know, because you and I know what everybody knows.
It doesn't happen every day all the time, but it
happens enough to cause all the concern. But in this case,
this coach, I mean was a typical example who you
would never want your kid to be involved in as
having him as a coach. I mean, he was screaming
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at the official on the field, selling him things like
Ray Charles couldn't deal with that, and then he grabbed
a kid by the face mask and just shook his
head around like a dog on a leach. And so,
you know, I just wonder with stories like that, what
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would you say is maybe the worst story that you
can think of since you've been there since twenty sixteen,
what do you think is the worst story that you've
heard or as an example of this bad, ugly priority.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
You know on recently, Actually, the worst one that I
had to deal with was, you know, this past fall
season within our football league, we had an individual follow
the referees.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Uh to the parking lot to pretty much their cars.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Luckily there was no physical altercation in regards to that,
but I think it almost could have led to that.
And you know this, this happened in in our football
league in regards to ages I think nine to eleven
within that, you know, calling the referees certain names in
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regards to that ready to bow up, ready to fight,
but it was played it quickly by our staff. I
think that's probably one of the worst ones in regards
to the issue. You know, that individual was complaining that
the referees were one sided in regards to that.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
But you know, this was this, this was towards the
end of the season for that.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
You know, after we did a review and looked into
the statements and stuff that we have received for that issue,
it wasn't even about the referees. You know, some of
the parents from that team where that individual spectator was on,
they were just saying the things that he was saying.
There was nothing one side of the game was called great.
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Of course the team's going to say it's called great.
Unfortunately they did win. But just the statements we got
in regards to that incident, I think that was probably
one of the craziest ones that I have in story,
where following an official to the parking lot to yell
at them and byrate them and call them names in
regards to a youth football game.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, I excuse the example of saying, okay, supposing your
people had a kid that was in the spelling bee
in school and their parents all showed up the same way,
and one of the kids misspelled in the back room
jumped up and yelled, Billy, how can you be so stupid?
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How you could never see that because in school they
would get that parent out of there, and you know,
who knows what would happen, So what would happen in
your case with the rec department? You get that kind
of behavior, guy, you're going out of the parking lot
and you know what, what do you do about it?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
So so what we did is, you know, we sent
it to our oversight committee advisory committee.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
There was a replete police report reported from the.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Referees in that individual that was in an altercation in
regards to that. So we we sent it to our
oversight committee, and our oversight committee banned that individual for
five years in regards to in regards to attending any
Cabot Parks and Rec U Sport event at our property.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, let's see. That's that's that's a nice example of
what I think lacks and U sport programs across the
country because you have situations where that goes on and
they slap somebody's wrist or you get a really terrible
example that one of the coaches or the parents happen
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to be a city commissioner and the rec department persons
afraid to do any kind of punishment for that person,
thinking they might lose their job. But yeah, I mean,
it's just great to hear that you have an old
oversight committee and you can get rid of people for
you know, this poor kind of behavior. But you know,
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it's so great to know that there are people like you,
Lorenzo there in Cabot, Arkansas, around the country, and I
want to I'm going to a bold you for the
great work that you do and thank you again for
being on the show Johnny eight Sports.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Sarah is greatly appreciated in regards to being a guest
on your show.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Well maybe back again if you know. One of the
things is if you have another bad story like that,
I want to let me know, because we'd like to
hear any of those bad stories that we want to
hear them. If we want to let know people that
this shouldn't go on. We should be continuing to work
towards preventing any kind of abusive psychological emotion or physical
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abusive kids in sports. So again, thanks again the Lorezzo
and Lorenzo for being on.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Thank you very much, and you know, hopefully I don't
have any crazy stories, but I know we will unfortunately
in regards to within our sport leagues.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Well good, thanks again, all right.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
In this best selling book, a child, while failing to
live up to his father's expectations, is shamed and humiliated
beyond belief. He vows to never allow his own son
to face the same.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Each week, you know, people have been saying, hey, you
have the thing about to booke Billy Jones's father, and
people said, oh, I don't have time to read it
or whatever. So we decided to take a little chapter
at a time, and so that's what we're doing each week.
And here we go with the second chapter. But in
the first chapter, what happened is the family lived in
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Texas and they had a lot of problems there, and
so Sarah and our father Jefftoven and mother and her
sister moved to North Carolina. And after they got there,
then she got a job in a rect department and
she began to run into Billy Jones's father, and that
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story begins with the second chapter. Here we go.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
I'll tell you one thing. My dad kicked ass, Arnold
proclaimed in his usual braggadocio manner to the five regulars
who met most afternoons at Andy's Bar and grill. All
five worked at the Torret Hills Tobacco Industry THTI, owned
by Scotty Jones, Arnold's dad. It only took a couple
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of beers before it became customary to listen to Arnold
pontificate on the athletic heroics of his father. But the
group had little choice but to appease Arnold as he
rambled on about one episode after another. He was, after all,
the general manager of his dad, Scotti's THTI business. It
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was strange hearing Arnold talk about his father's athletic skills.
After all, Arnold himself was a failure at every sport
he tried, and the group knew it. When Arnold wasn't looking,
Al Simpson would roll his eyes in mockery as Arnold continued.
The others had the faces of Sunday parishioners listening to
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the good reverend asking for more money from the congregation.
Arnold's dad had tried desperately to make Arnold another athlete
to shine in the Jones family athletic tree. But poor
Arnold seemingly tripped over his two left feet like a
drunken sailor walking the ship's deck in the middle of
a tropical storm. But Arnold wouldn't give up. Why don't
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you try music like your sister, Arnold his grandfather, would plead,
my dad was the greatest, and I will be just
as famous. Just watch, Arnold would announce. At ten years old,
when he played baseball, he would overrun an outfield flyball
so badly that the other team's player on second would
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have no trouble making it to home plate. Most of
his coaches wouldn't think of cutting Arnold from the team.
By cutting him, they knew they would suffer Scotty's irrational reaction.
They yearned for Arnold to have some of his father's talent,
but it wasn't meant to be. Not all coaches bowed
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like scared sheep to Scotty's pressure. Arnold's little league baseball coach,
Lionel Massey had had enough of Scotty's overbearing influence. It
all came crashing down during Arnold's first year in little league.
What's the matter with you, Lionel, Scotty would yell as
he fidgeted in his seat watching them practice. Whoever, let
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you coach this team, put my boy in, Lionel, he
would scream, or you won't be coaching this team again.
I know the head of this league, and he'll have
your ass out of here. In a heartbeat. Six Arnold
would lift his shoulders as if trying to hide his
head under his shirt in embarrassment. The other players stared
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at him like he was a wounded puppy wanting to
hide under a fence. Lionel dropped him from the team
when Arnold struck out four times in the season's first game.
Arnold cried as he walked the five blocks to his home.
Being cut by coach Lionel was the least of his problems.
He knew telling his father would mean a certain beating,
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but he was in for a surprise. Walking in the door,
trembling with fear, he said, Dad, Coach Lionel cut me
from the team. Scotty had a ferocious temper brought on
by bipolar disorder, some suggested the result of serving in Vietnam.
It took very little to set him off. The crying
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words out of Arnold's mouth did just that, Like a
stone thrown into a wasp nest. Scotty stormed out of
the house into his car and rushed to the ball field,
knocking over almost every trash can lining the streets. Slamming
on the brakes, he jumped from the car and headed
towards the field. Lionel stood with mouth gaping as he
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trembled at the sight of what looked to be a
ferocious leopard about to attack him. You fucking bastard, that's
my son. You cut with that. He hauled off and
landed his right fist on Lionel's jaw, sending him floating
to the ground like a sheet falling off a clothes
line in a windstorm. The townsfolk ignored Lionel's plea to
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have Scotty arrested. He was Scottie Jones, and no one
wanted to intervene. Back home, running his hands through his
hair and pacing back and forth across the floor, a
disgruntled Scottie suddenly blurted out to his wife, Martha, why
don't we enroll him in one of those sports camps?
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They ought to bring out his talent somewhere in that body.
Great idea, Martha said, in delight, they tried, but after
two weeks, Harry Whitfield, the camp director, threw his hands
up in frustration. Arnold did not have what it took
to be any kind of athlete. He told the Joneses
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that they were wasting their money trying to make a
silk purse from a sow's ear. In his mind, Arnold
became a failure to the parents he so wanted to please.
He sat depressed in his room night after night. His
failed little league days were over. When Arnold was about
fourteen years old. Like a tsunami wave about to wreak havoc,
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the old Torment was to reappear. Scotty announced, Arnold, your
mom and I have been talking about your going to
high school and how you might be one of those
what psychologists call late matures. We figure that might be
why you never did well playing little league. Think that
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might be why you stunk out there on the field. Seven. Gosh,
I don't know, Dad, but are you saying you want
me to go out for high school sports? What the
hell do you think I was talking about? Scotty yelled back,
of course, if you want to sign up for a
sewing class, we could arrange for you. To do that,
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he said with a glare. Arnold pinched his lips tightly
to keep them from trembling. A few months later, when
it came time for Arnold to go to high school,
he had no choice but to sign up for sports
to avoid the wrath of Scotty. He signed up every
season for a sports team, and of course, the coaches
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in high school also feared the rage of Scotty if
they didn't include Arnold on the team. His fellow players
knew what was happening, and behind the coach's back became
unmerciful to Arnold. Once they hid all his clothes in
the locker room trash can. Another time they filled his
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locker with shaving cream. But worst of all was the
verbal hazing he faced as a loser whenever he set
foot on the court or field. It all began during
basketball season. At one game, coach Tommy Alexander, feeling Scotty's
glare like a six inch knife entering his back, put
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Arnold in. During the last few minutes, Arnold cost the
team the game. In the last ten seconds, he by mistake,
threw the ball to an opposing team player who rushed
down the court to score. The winning shot, Scotty came
running to the court, screaming at the top of his voice,
you bum you can never do anything right one. Scotty
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and Martha never gave up hope, Well, at least Scotty didn't.
He often attended Arnold's games thinking that a day would
come when he would do something that wasn't a complete desire.
This day wasn't that day. Arnold dropped an easy pass
in the end zone of the football game that would
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have given his team the win. Arnold was devastated and
feared the tongue lashing he would get as he rode
home in the back seat, as Scotty and Martha sat
up front, Arnold's mother, a red faced, fiery woman, blasted
Arnold as never before. He sat feeling dejected and rejected.
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Do you realize how much you embarrassed us out there,
Arnold's mother yelled demeaning and hateful words. I've seen a
lot of football games where I was proudly watching your
father play, but never have I seen anyone as awful
as you out there looking like a fool. How do
you think it makes us look in front of all
those people? Your daddy was a hero, around here, and
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now you go about destroying his legacy. You are a
complete face in our eyes, she yelled, with a voice
screaming with hate and anger. Two. When they arrived home,
Arnold went straight to his room, locked the door, and
cried for an hour. Thus was the young life of
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Arnold Jones.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Well there you have it for our second episode of
Billy Jones's Father, and you can tell Arnold wasn't doing
too well planned sports. But I'm happy to have us
introduce the next new phase of our program. And here
we go with it with my friend Ross Smith.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Extra hittings with Fred and Ross.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Order Ross, we got it again this week.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
Good morning, Fred, how are we doing good?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I'm sorry I had a long delay there getting on.
I didn't think it would be this long, but hey,
you made it and here we go.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
We're here, baby, let's get it.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, that's what you know. We got all new audience
each week. Or what give them that fifteen second story
about your background?
Speaker 8 (30:27):
My background grew up in sports all together. Mom was
a basketball player, Dad was a baseball guy, was a
pro scout for thirty years. I grew up on a
pretty high level of organized sports, specifically baseball, went to
Auburn out of high school. I played a few years there,
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got drafted, played for the Saint Louis Cardinals for two
and a half years, and opened up a baseball business
after Pro baseball, so kind of stayed in the sport
world and try to give back to the community and
to the sport that you know, gave me so much.
So I switched from baseball to golf. Uh and just
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replaced one white ball with another.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
And here we are. Yeah, and that's a lot of
baseball players do. Now we've switched gears from why Johnny
Hayes Sports And this is with a little discussion between
you and me. So we're going to pick a different
topic each week to talk about. So the first one
we wanted to talk about is the Pete Rose deal. Well,
(31:34):
everybody knows ross about the Pete Rose and the fact
that he now you know, he got lose. What do
you think about that story?
Speaker 5 (31:46):
I mean, I think obviously rest in peace to Pete.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
I think that the timing of it is probably the
most I guess the most controversial part to me, just because.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I'm getting off the lease. Why do you see the timing.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
Because if if he were still alive. I don't know
if he would have been given the opportunity to be
eligible for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
I think that just my personal opinion.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
I think that they would have stuck to their guns,
so to speak, and they wouldn't have let the guy
get voted in.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Do you think he should be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
My opinion without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yes, how about that. I thought maybe you were going
to say that no, because a lot of people, you know,
obviously say they don't think that he should be in
the Hall of Fame. But I think he should be
in the Hall of Fame because you got to separate
the two. I mean to talk about his gambling, Yeah,
he's gambling. Turn around and look at today. Everybody can
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gamble exactly exactly.
Speaker 8 (32:51):
I mean, are we talking about how the man is
off of the field. Are we talking about the statistics
that he put up during his you know, career. To me,
I look at the statistics and they are undeniable. They
belong in the Hall of Fame. So that person belongs
in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Yeah, I don't understand why. You know, gim Audi, who
was the commissioner at the time, he was so adamant
about the whole deal that you know, okay, he cheated
and and of course Pete said he never bet on
his own team. I don't know whether we believe that
or not, but that's what he said. But why do
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you think Jim Otis was so against let them get
into Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
It could be a couple of reasons.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
One comes to the top of my mind is you know,
you're worried about your own self image. You know, you
don't want to be the guy known that has an
overwhelming majority of people that say he shouldn't be in,
and then you chose to let him in. So I
don't know if it was just like an ego self
ego thing that's just a reach.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
I think that.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
Maybe, I mean, maybe it goes deeper. I mean we'll
never know, but maybe maybe the maybe he lost money
on Pete Rose not going in his favor with his
personal betting or whatever. Well, just it's very interesting and
it's sad, but I mean it's.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Just it is what it is. Yeah, I mean, maybe
you think you think about it at that time. I mean,
this was what twenty five years ago at least that
when he was coaching or being a manager of the Reds,
that he's there betting on other games and whatnot. And
then of course you know that time is unheard of
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thinking of it. But like I said, I mean, you
go on a fan duel and hard rock here in Florida,
you can make bets on anything, and and it's hard
for me to believe that any of the baseball players today,
you know, we're not we're not doing the same thing
the betting out there.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think it's similar to
like when you have any big megast so to speak,
in any professional sport and they don't do things exactly
by the book. You know, I think that it gets
blown up more than you know, I want to say
out of proportion, but you know, more than maybe normal
or more than it should because we see these guys
as we put them on such a high pedestal he
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or she, and when they're not perfect, you know, we
just we can't fathom that they wouldn't they would do
such things. But to me, I mean, it's it's a
little hindsight's twenty twenty, where today's world you can bet
left and right on you know, the color of gatorade
that comes out when they dump it on the winning coach.
I mean, you can bet on anything, like you said,
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and so generationally different. Back then it was frowned upon.
But I mean it's public knowledge. You can google and
look up that he bet on his own team amongst others.
But when he bet on his own team, he bet
on them to win and win only. So I mean,
he wasn't like he was going out in blowing games.
You know, he was betting on his team to win.
So I don't think that he would do anything detrimental
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on the field that would cause them to lose on purpose.
So I mean I just a little conflicted when they say,
you know, they put such like a dark cloud over it.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, I mean you and I agree with the whole
bit of whether he should be reinstated, But I mean,
you look at the batting average, you're you're a baseball
player or what, But to think that you know the
number of hits and the way that he played, I
don't know that they'll ever see another player like him,
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especially with the number of hits that he got.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
To you and no, not at all, And I don't
with the whole package included, Uh, you know, Charlie Hustle
and all that. Like the way he played the game
outside of being the hit king, which is unbelievable, but
the way he played the game, and you know how
much heart and passion that he put into it, how
much hustle, I mean that whole package. I think that
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the guy was just a complete ballplayer.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
He had some.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
Issues or whatever you want to call it off the field,
but all due respect, what he did on the field
in between the white lines was second to none.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, I'm gonna switch here here with your ross. You're
you're one of the people, one of the few that
you know, we went through the system of playing baseball
with a little kid becoming all the way up to
you was signing, you know, with the Cardinals and going
out and with the minor league. But when I asked
you a couple of questions, you get a team like
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it was Johnson City or with one of them.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
Johnson City was the first, uh, first place that the
Cardinals sent me to after I got drafted.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
And you and it's not necessarily an automatic. You don't
really know where you're going to go. It's all according
to kind of your age. They look at your numbers
of what you did at your respective age and kind
of uh, because they don't want to advance you too
far too soon and kind of throw you into the fire,
so to speak. So Johnson City was the first place
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where me, alongside a lot of other collegiate guys that
got drafted, were So I went to Johnson City first,
I went to Batavia, New York. After that, I went
to Davenport, Iowa, Quad Cities, and then ended up in
Palm Beach here in Florida.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
And then what happened.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
When you can basically triple my overall batting average to
get close to what Pete Rose did for a career,
they're not going to keep you around.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I guess, yeah, you know, I picture. I think I
told you I was an agent for a major league player.
It got to the major leagues, but I often wonder
with minor league players the stories of you know, you
got to get it on a bus and go from
Davidport to wherever to play your next game. A lot
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of stuff goes on and between the games and whatnot.
You know, Yeah, you wanted to tell me about any
interesting issue that might have gone on.
Speaker 8 (39:02):
Yeah, I mean, you know, so, especially playing like you
said Davenport. That's the Midwest League. Up in the Midwest,
it's pretty spacious. So I mean we would have on average,
I think our shortest was like four and a half hours,
with our biggest one being nine or ten hour bus
ride all right after games because we play series in baseball,
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so you would play a series against whatever team and
then you would travel through the night to get ready
for the next series. And those bus rides, I mean
the bus ride literally by itself can be entertaining with
you know, your teammates from all over the world that you.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Would be entertaining. What do you mean entertaining? You go
with your teammates and whatnot.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
You know, you're in a tight space and some of
those guys, hey listen to different music, they talk at
a different tone, Like I mean, they're from all over
the world, So you got all different types of people
and cultures all in one small space you have. You know,
you learn to get along because they're all chasing the
same dream of trying to get to the big leagues.
So uh, I mean the journey itself of going through
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pro ball ultimately not making it, but just the journey
of meeting people that I call my friends now, but
you know my teammates at the time and going through
the quote unquote trenches with them, You know, I wouldn't
trade it for anything because they it's you know, it's
lasting lifelong friendships.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Anybody on that team ever make it all the way
to the big leagues. Uh?
Speaker 8 (40:32):
Yeah, my draft class was a pretty successful one.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (40:38):
I mean I slept on an air mattress with another
man for six months, uh who ended up later in
life winning the World Series with the Washington Nationals. So
I mean just little examples like that of uh stories
that I wouldn't really I wouldn't trade for anything as
I get older.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, I guess speaking of stories you had said to me,
you know about the book that I wrote about people
I met, of talking about any you got any story
of it? Talk about.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
Off top of the Muhammad Ali really gets me going.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
The one where you're just chilling on the airplane and
he's walking up and down the aisles or whatever.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
I just couldn't fathom. I couldn't fathom that.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
I think that one of the thirties stories. And maybe
we could talk about from from each week or whatnot. Yeah. Yeah,
I used to love watching Muhammad Ali. I mean, it's
so unfortunate the people that were into boxing. I was
into boxing because my grandfather was was uh, he couldn't
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get him away from TV. We'd watch on Monday, Wednesday
and Friday nights. And then after a while it became
a time when Muhammad Ali was coming off. But a
lot of people don't realize that so many people hated him.
I mean right, he would get people and say, you know,
how pretty I am, and and people didn't like to
(42:07):
hear that. But then he would talk to the boxes
he would be boxing against, and you know, and calling
them names. I'm so mad, but but uh yeah, I
mean so he was kind of somebody I really thought
was just a unique individual. And of course when he
when he refused to go into the war Vietnam, uh,
(42:30):
that's what people really got upset with it. And he
came out. But then he got back into it. And
at that time I was traveling and doing a lot
of traveling between teams, and I ended up in Allentown, Pennsylvania,
on my way to Chicago, and at that time, he
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was training somewhere around Allentown and he gets to get
you going to Chicago, and I'm at the airport and
I look over and see all these people around. You know,
he would have crowded around talking to everybody. And he
gets on the plane. Now I'm on the plane. I'm
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in the back of the plane, and I come to
find out that he hated to fly, and he always
said he wanted to sit in front of the plane
because he'd be the first one out crash. But we're
halfway through the flight and the flight attendants coming down
(43:37):
get ready to serve him, and he gets up and
starts walking because he was nervous, you know, on the plane,
and so he decided to walk. And he's walking down
the aisle. People got their pens out for him to sign,
and he going by and saying, oh, are I beautiful,
(43:59):
you know, And so he's walking all of a sudden
turn around and the car girl is there at the
front and she's coming towards the back, towards him, so
he's got to keep coming to the back. Now I'm
sitting in the back and I'm sitting by the window,
and the guy is sitting on the aisle, and then
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there's a guy in the middle of us. I swear
he must have been three hundred and forty pounds, and
he's budgeted into his seat and we get back there.
Now the car girl's there and Mohammed can't go anywhere,
so he's got to say he can't get back around
them or anything, so he decides just to stay there
(44:42):
rather than and he starts talking to us and he's
telling us all the different stories of things, one after another.
All of a sudden he looks down and the guy
in the middle, the three hundred and forty pounder, he
turns and looks at him. He said, Man, I have
to tell you something. You've got to get away from
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the damn a refrigerator at midnight.
Speaker 8 (45:06):
Yeah, that's what I mean. Like his charisma, his personality.
I would love to have just even been in the
room where that man was. To be that good at
whatever it is that you do respectfully professionally and be
able to just like talk like that, I just I can't.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
I would.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
I would want to be in the same room and
just soak it all in.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Hold. Hold were you when you first saw Muhammad Ali
on TV or wherever?
Speaker 8 (45:34):
And you know, oh not not until I mean growing up.
He was a little bit before my time, unfortunately, But uh,
and I grew up in a household that was you know,
I think, along with several other families in the country,
not not too you know, not not huge fans of him,
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but in my mind, yeah, yeah, and uh, in my mind,
I just saw greatness.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
You know.
Speaker 8 (46:07):
I saw a guy that he talked a lot of smack,
but he backed it up. And I think that's one
of the really one of the greatest things in sports
is not just being good at your sport.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
But.
Speaker 8 (46:18):
You know, how you handle yourself and knowing that you're
good at it and not necessarily intentionally putting others down,
but you know, having a sense of humor and not
being so robotic machine like. I think it just it
magnified him in my mind to you know, I want
to want to see him more.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (46:39):
The other one, the other one with Kyle Ripkin. I
was going to ask you about Kyle Ripkin too. Uh,
that was more in my sport, but those two out
of my head.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah. How about maybe next week we talk about the
cal Ripkins store, cal Ris.
Speaker 8 (46:54):
I think that's a great I think that's a great
teaser for next week. We uh we get ready for
Cal Ripkin next week.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yeah, we'll do it next week, but thanks for being
on again as always with our extra innings with Fred
and Ross. We'll get into it for a little uglier
stuff in the next few weeks.
Speaker 8 (47:12):
You got it, You got it.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Hey, you have a good weekend. Man, Bye, guys. Well,
there you go. That's our show for this week. We
change it and I add a little bit more to
it with you know, Lorenzo from Cabot Arkansas. Wow, Cabot
Arkansas had never heard of that before. And then a
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little bit of Billy Jones's father booked here, and then
of course our extra innings with being Ross and yeah,
next week we talk about the story with me meeting
cal Rip and Junior and it was more than just
beating it. It was a very interesting story for me.
But we'll talk about it. But then, so thanks for
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turning it turning into uh earning into I mean tuning
into why John A. Hayes sports this weekend. Y'all have
a great weekend.
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Why Johnny Hates Sports is a best selling book about
kids in sports. It chronicles why, at a very early age,
children are thrust into organized sports long before they have
the necessary skills to feel successful. Fathers and mothers are
asked to be their coach without having any training on
how to coach, and the leagues in which kids play
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are governed by volunteers whose main focus becomes scoreboards, championships,
and all star games. Statistics show that close to seventy
percent of kids will have quit by the age of thirteen.
Most said it ceased to be fun, and that's why
Johnny Hates Sports.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Hey, good morning, Lorenzo, and thanks a lot for being
here for why Johnny hates sports. Lorenzo is from Cabot, Arkansas,
and Lorenzo, you gotta tell me, first of all, where
is Cabot, Arkansas. And second tell the audience what you
know what your job is there with the rec department.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
So Cabot, Arkansas is probably about fifteen twenty minutes from
Little Rock. Northeast of Little Rock, we're still considered Central Arkansas.
I work with the Cabot Parks and Recreation Department out
of the city of Cabot, and I'm the recreation manager
here since twenty sixteen. Well, first my position was called
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program director, but then since we have expanded and grown
a lot, not just with our.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Sports but with our other buildings and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I've been here since twenty sixteen as the program director
and then recently this within this last year, they changed
my title to recreation manager and I oversee all the
youth in adult sports.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, you know, the number one thing that people keep
asking me about this show, and they say, you know,
it's why Johnny hates sports. And I try to explain,
as you saw in the book intro in the beginning,
about why Johnny hates sports. And you know when I
was growing up, I mean when I was a w
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RECT director in Wilmington, Delaware, That's when I made the
decision to do something about it because I would see
all kinds of examples of parents losing perspective, and I
can like idiots out there with their child screaming and
yelling when they're making the littlest mistakes. And then you
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see the coaches out there who you know. I mean,
they came out as ads who just were signed up.
I didn't say they signed up, they were signed up
to be a coach because they said, you know, you
can't have your kid in the program, I'll let you
come out to coach. And so they turned into a
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different character there when they put up scoreboards and standings,
all star teams and whatever. And then then all hell
broke loose when it got to the end of the
year when they're standings and championships. So I know, you,
along with all the other recreation directors around the country
(03:37):
that we've had on the show, have had experiences. So
why do you tell me what happens in cabot And
from time to time things that you see, you know
that happens in your program. With parents and coaches.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
So some of the thin cabot here. You know, I
think every town, city is different. So you know, I've
seen some crazy things happen with the eleven years that
I've been here, parents getting parents arguing back and forth,
coaches arguing back and forth.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
That's just the worst thing to see in front of kids.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yes, we you know, yes, parents have signed up their
kids for a certain sport, but they really didn't sign
them up to play that sport. They really signed them
up for different aspects of that sport, or just rex
sports in general, you know, just the physical activity, you know, teamwork,
discipline in regards to communication like that. So we do
(04:38):
have steps in regards to when when parents are coaches
spectators if they get out of line.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
We tried a.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
Few things, it didn't work, but we have We have
a Sports Oversight Advisory Committee where if there is an
issue a rise where a parent coach gets ejected, it
can possibly go to them where they give them more
of a penalty. This was created about two years ago
here in our town just because we didn't are myself
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the recreation manager or our three recreational programmers that are
underneath me.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
We wouldn't be the judge, the jury and the executioner are.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
The advisory committee is made up of individuals that coach
in our league or have coached in our league, and
some just outside people that are recommended in regards to that.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
So, yeah, I hear you, But what I don't hear
you saying in what I like to hear is and
not me, but the audience would like to hear. I mean,
give me some specific stories. You've had stories. You had
to have it or you wouldn't have a counsel, you
would have people oversight committee. You've had the examples of
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people really acting like idiots. Give me, give me a few.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Well, I do have a few stories in regardless of that.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
You know, you know one story, I think it was
my first year here where we had a coach from
another team coming into the gym and I started arguing
not even in the game that they were.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Playing against each other.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
That was very crazy because I was at a different
facility at that time, and then.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
I had a rush over to calm that down.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Another issue was, you know, unfortunately walking out an individual
that was in uniform that was enlisted into that you know, Army,
Air Force, whatever it was I couldn't remember Cat can't
remember the exact one that they were in, but that
was probably my second year, my third year here, we
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did have an individual within our basketball program chess bump
chess bump one of our referees and you know, bowed up,
you know, ready to throw down in front of first
and second graders. Unfortunately, at that time, the cops were
called to help escort that individual out of that facility
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at that time. And then, you know, we have issues where,
you know, I'd address an issue in regards to parents
yelling at each other and I had to get in
the middle of them because it's really happening in our
younger age divisions. You know, from our five you to
hate you and sometimes intend you not too much, but
they're so worried about like what within your book is,
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you know, they're so worried about the score the scoreboard
in regards to that. So it's very crazy of the
incidents that we have had to deal with within Cabot,
and sometimes it's you know, it's not every year, but
it's unfortunately, there's there's sometimes there's individuals that repeat, repeat, repeat,
in regards to arguing with each other. You know, acting
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out against officials. You know, it depends on the sport
for that. So yeah, so let's get back to the
first story.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
You said somebody came in and they weren't even part
of the program and it started to causing a problem.
What was the issue there? I mean, you don't just
walk into a gym or a field and what was that?
That's great?
Speaker 5 (08:18):
Yeah, so it was he was within our program.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
He was a coach from a different team in our
first and second grade basketball league.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
Come to find out, it was something that was outside.
They knew each other for a while and.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
The first used to be first and second grade team. Yes,
that's I mean, we're talking about six year old, seven
year old and go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Sorry, Yeah, it's crazy when he was say it was
first second graders, you know, the age six seven, eight
year old, eight year olds. But yeah, I guess it
just deemed from past incidents. It was the first game
of a season. I was like, oh, great, this is
how we're going to start a basketball season in regards
to that. So I really didn't get too much into
detail in regards to it, but I guess they had
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a previous experience, you know, like growing up when they
were younger, and then through the high school days and
in regards to that, and then you know, just knowing
each other within our town, things being said about each
other and we didn't think anything.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
We didn't we didn't know all this was going on
in the past.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
But yeah, it just we didn't really know what it
was about in regards to the incident. But the worst
part about it, like I said, it was in front
of first and second graders.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Did you ever find out why, I mean, you said
something from the past or whatever with the guy that
was doing it was just out of poor behavior or what.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Well, well, it started with when he walked in the gym.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
He walked over to where the coaches and the teams
were at and he was like, well, first he said,
why are you staring at me? And the coach was like,
I wasn't staring at you. The game is going on
going on, and when you enter in the gym, you
can look straight through the court and looking at the
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front entrance of the part of our community center at
that time.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
In regards to because.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
I'm not looking at you, I wasn't doing anything. I
was looking at my players. The game was going on,
So how could you accuse me of that. I guess
it come from deming from I guess this coach was
bullying this coach when they were in school and was
bad talking still to this day, not to this day,
but at that time, those coaches are no longer in
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our league, you know, like that was my first year here.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
So that was.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
In January of twenty fourteen for that.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Issue, and you said, welcome to you sports and cabin
right when you started. But you mentioned a guy in
the uniform. I mean what you meant by that story?
Speaker 5 (11:01):
What was that he was in the military.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
It was in our honestly, it was in our fifteen
U division in regards to there was a play at
the plate and the umpire called him out and he
was you know after you know, getting statements and stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
He was out, but he was just arguing, you know,
he was safe.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
He was the parent, was in the stands, and he
was in uniform being within the Armed.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Forces in regards to that.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
So you know, come to find out, I guess he,
you know, someoney contacted his first shirt in regards to
that within the military and within the Armed forces.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
I don't remember what branch.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
He was in, but I guess he did get a
stripe taken away in regards to how he was acting
within a fifteen U game, which our fifteen U division
consists of thirteen to fifteen year olds.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
So yeah, I remember people would say, oh, you know,
it's not as bad as you think it is and whatnot,
and I'd say, yes, it is if you were part
of a program like I was, and most recreation people
that I knew would echo the same thing. As a
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matter of fact, if they didn't, I would never have
been able to create the National Alliance for you sports
to be able to deal with the issue because people
would say, now, we don't have a problem. So yeah,
we do have a problem because of people like you
and Cabot and around the country having the same kind
of problems. I remember doing a thing with HBO, and
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you know, it was about the same issue, and they said,
are there any leagues or anything that we could go
and maybe find an example? And I thought, well, yeah,
so there was just the start of a football program,
and it said this hoping that maybe they can find something.
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You know, because you and I know what everybody knows.
It doesn't happen every day all the time, but it
happens enough to cause all the concern. But in this case,
this coach, I mean was a typical example who you
would never want your kid to be involved in as
having him as a coach. I mean, he was screaming
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at the official on the field, selling him things like
Ray Charles couldn't deal with that, and then he grabbed
a kid by the face mask and just shook his
head around like a dog on a leach. And so,
you know, I just wonder with stories like that, what
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would you say is maybe the worst story that you
can think of since you've been there since twenty sixteen,
what do you think is the worst story that you've
heard or as an example of this bad, ugly priority.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
You know on recently, Actually, the worst one that I
had to deal with was, you know, this past fall
season within our football league, we had an individual follow
the referees.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Uh to the parking lot to pretty much their cars.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Luckily there was no physical altercation in regards to that,
but I think it almost could have led to that.
And you know this, this happened in in our football
league in regards to ages I think nine to eleven
within that, you know, calling the referees certain names in
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regards to that ready to bow up, ready to fight,
but it was played it quickly by our staff. I
think that's probably one of the worst ones in regards
to the issue. You know, that individual was complaining that
the referees were one sided in regards to that.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
But you know, this was this, this was towards the
end of the season for that.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
You know, after we did a review and looked into
the statements and stuff that we have received for that issue,
it wasn't even about the referees. You know, some of
the parents from that team where that individual spectator was on,
they were just saying the things that he was saying.
There was nothing one side of the game was called great.
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Of course the team's going to say it's called great.
Unfortunately they did win. But just the statements we got
in regards to that incident, I think that was probably
one of the craziest ones that I have in story,
where following an official to the parking lot to yell
at them and byrate them and call them names in
regards to a youth football game.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, I excuse the example of saying, okay, supposing your
people had a kid that was in the spelling bee
in school and their parents all showed up the same way,
and one of the kids misspelled in the back room
jumped up and yelled, Billy, how can you be so stupid?
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How you could never see that because in school they
would get that parent out of there, and you know,
who knows what would happen, So what would happen in
your case with the rec department? You get that kind
of behavior, guy, you're going out of the parking lot
and you know what, what do you do about it?
Speaker 4 (16:26):
So so what we did is, you know, we sent
it to our oversight committee advisory committee.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
There was a replete police report reported from the.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
Referees in that individual that was in an altercation in
regards to that. So we we sent it to our
oversight committee, and our oversight committee banned that individual for
five years in regards to in regards to attending any
Cabot Parks and Rec U Sport event at our property.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, let's see. That's that's that's a nice example of
what I think lacks and U sport programs across the
country because you have situations where that goes on and
they slap somebody's wrist or you get a really terrible
example that one of the coaches or the parents happen
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to be a city commissioner and the rec department persons
afraid to do any kind of punishment for that person,
thinking they might lose their job. But yeah, I mean,
it's just great to hear that you have an old
oversight committee and you can get rid of people for
you know, this poor kind of behavior. But you know,
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it's so great to know that there are people like you,
Lorenzo there in Cabot, Arkansas, around the country, and I
want to I'm going to a bold you for the
great work that you do and thank you again for
being on the show Johnny eight Sports.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Sarah is greatly appreciated in regards to being a guest
on your show.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Well maybe back again if you know. One of the
things is if you have another bad story like that,
I want to let me know, because we'd like to
hear any of those bad stories that we want to
hear them. If we want to let know people that
this shouldn't go on. We should be continuing to work
towards preventing any kind of abusive psychological emotion or physical
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abusive kids in sports. So again, thanks again the Lorezzo
and Lorenzo for being on.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Thank you very much, and you know, hopefully I don't
have any crazy stories, but I know we will unfortunately
in regards to within our sport leagues.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Well good, thanks again, all right.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
In this best selling book, a child, while failing to
live up to his father's expectations, is shamed and humiliated
beyond belief. He vows to never allow his own son
to face the same.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Each week, you know, people have been saying, hey, you
have the thing about to booke Billy Jones's father, and
people said, oh, I don't have time to read it
or whatever. So we decided to take a little chapter
at a time, and so that's what we're doing each week.
And here we go with the second chapter. But in
the first chapter, what happened is the family lived in
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Texas and they had a lot of problems there, and
so Sarah and our father Jefftoven and mother and her
sister moved to North Carolina. And after they got there,
then she got a job in a rect department and
she began to run into Billy Jones's father, and that
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story begins with the second chapter. Here we go.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
I'll tell you one thing. My dad kicked ass, Arnold
proclaimed in his usual braggadocio manner to the five regulars
who met most afternoons at Andy's Bar and grill. All
five worked at the Torret Hills Tobacco Industry THTI, owned
by Scotty Jones, Arnold's dad. It only took a couple
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of beers before it became customary to listen to Arnold
pontificate on the athletic heroics of his father. But the
group had little choice but to appease Arnold as he
rambled on about one episode after another. He was, after all,
the general manager of his dad, Scotti's THTI business. It
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was strange hearing Arnold talk about his father's athletic skills.
After all, Arnold himself was a failure at every sport
he tried, and the group knew it. When Arnold wasn't looking,
Al Simpson would roll his eyes in mockery as Arnold continued.
The others had the faces of Sunday parishioners listening to
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the good reverend asking for more money from the congregation.
Arnold's dad had tried desperately to make Arnold another athlete
to shine in the Jones family athletic tree. But poor
Arnold seemingly tripped over his two left feet like a
drunken sailor walking the ship's deck in the middle of
a tropical storm. But Arnold wouldn't give up. Why don't
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you try music like your sister, Arnold his grandfather, would plead,
my dad was the greatest, and I will be just
as famous. Just watch, Arnold would announce. At ten years old,
when he played baseball, he would overrun an outfield flyball
so badly that the other team's player on second would
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have no trouble making it to home plate. Most of
his coaches wouldn't think of cutting Arnold from the team.
By cutting him, they knew they would suffer Scotty's irrational reaction.
They yearned for Arnold to have some of his father's talent,
but it wasn't meant to be. Not all coaches bowed
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like scared sheep to Scotty's pressure. Arnold's little league baseball coach,
Lionel Massey had had enough of Scotty's overbearing influence. It
all came crashing down during Arnold's first year in little league.
What's the matter with you, Lionel, Scotty would yell as
he fidgeted in his seat watching them practice. Whoever, let
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you coach this team, put my boy in, Lionel, he
would scream, or you won't be coaching this team again.
I know the head of this league, and he'll have
your ass out of here. In a heartbeat. Six Arnold
would lift his shoulders as if trying to hide his
head under his shirt in embarrassment. The other players stared
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at him like he was a wounded puppy wanting to
hide under a fence. Lionel dropped him from the team
when Arnold struck out four times in the season's first game.
Arnold cried as he walked the five blocks to his home.
Being cut by coach Lionel was the least of his problems.
He knew telling his father would mean a certain beating,
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but he was in for a surprise. Walking in the door,
trembling with fear, he said, Dad, Coach Lionel cut me
from the team. Scotty had a ferocious temper brought on
by bipolar disorder, some suggested the result of serving in Vietnam.
It took very little to set him off. The crying
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words out of Arnold's mouth did just that, Like a
stone thrown into a wasp nest. Scotty stormed out of
the house into his car and rushed to the ball field,
knocking over almost every trash can lining the streets. Slamming
on the brakes, he jumped from the car and headed
towards the field. Lionel stood with mouth gaping as he
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trembled at the sight of what looked to be a
ferocious leopard about to attack him. You fucking bastard, that's
my son. You cut with that. He hauled off and
landed his right fist on Lionel's jaw, sending him floating
to the ground like a sheet falling off a clothes
line in a windstorm. The townsfolk ignored Lionel's plea to
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have Scotty arrested. He was Scottie Jones, and no one
wanted to intervene. Back home, running his hands through his
hair and pacing back and forth across the floor, a
disgruntled Scottie suddenly blurted out to his wife, Martha, why
don't we enroll him in one of those sports camps?
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They ought to bring out his talent somewhere in that body.
Great idea, Martha said, in delight, they tried, but after
two weeks, Harry Whitfield, the camp director, threw his hands
up in frustration. Arnold did not have what it took
to be any kind of athlete. He told the Joneses
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that they were wasting their money trying to make a
silk purse from a sow's ear. In his mind, Arnold
became a failure to the parents he so wanted to please.
He sat depressed in his room night after night. His
failed little league days were over. When Arnold was about
fourteen years old. Like a tsunami wave about to wreak havoc,
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the old Torment was to reappear. Scotty announced, Arnold, your
mom and I have been talking about your going to
high school and how you might be one of those
what psychologists call late matures. We figure that might be
why you never did well playing little league. Think that
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might be why you stunk out there on the field. Seven. Gosh,
I don't know, Dad, but are you saying you want
me to go out for high school sports? What the
hell do you think I was talking about? Scotty yelled back,
of course, if you want to sign up for a
sewing class, we could arrange for you. To do that,
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he said with a glare. Arnold pinched his lips tightly
to keep them from trembling. A few months later, when
it came time for Arnold to go to high school,
he had no choice but to sign up for sports
to avoid the wrath of Scotty. He signed up every
season for a sports team, and of course, the coaches
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in high school also feared the rage of Scotty if
they didn't include Arnold on the team. His fellow players
knew what was happening, and behind the coach's back became
unmerciful to Arnold. Once they hid all his clothes in
the locker room trash can. Another time they filled his
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locker with shaving cream. But worst of all was the
verbal hazing he faced as a loser whenever he set
foot on the court or field. It all began during
basketball season. At one game, coach Tommy Alexander, feeling Scotty's
glare like a six inch knife entering his back, put
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Arnold in. During the last few minutes, Arnold cost the
team the game. In the last ten seconds, he by mistake,
threw the ball to an opposing team player who rushed
down the court to score. The winning shot, Scotty came
running to the court, screaming at the top of his voice,
you bum you can never do anything right one. Scotty
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and Martha never gave up hope, Well, at least Scotty didn't.
He often attended Arnold's games thinking that a day would
come when he would do something that wasn't a complete desire.
This day wasn't that day. Arnold dropped an easy pass
in the end zone of the football game that would
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have given his team the win. Arnold was devastated and
feared the tongue lashing he would get as he rode
home in the back seat, as Scotty and Martha sat
up front, Arnold's mother, a red faced, fiery woman, blasted
Arnold as never before. He sat feeling dejected and rejected.
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Do you realize how much you embarrassed us out there,
Arnold's mother yelled demeaning and hateful words. I've seen a
lot of football games where I was proudly watching your
father play, but never have I seen anyone as awful
as you out there looking like a fool. How do
you think it makes us look in front of all
those people? Your daddy was a hero, around here, and
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now you go about destroying his legacy. You are a
complete face in our eyes, she yelled, with a voice
screaming with hate and anger. Two. When they arrived home,
Arnold went straight to his room, locked the door, and
cried for an hour. Thus was the young life of
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Arnold Jones.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Well there you have it for our second episode of
Billy Jones's Father, and you can tell Arnold wasn't doing
too well planned sports. But I'm happy to have us
introduce the next new phase of our program. And here
we go with it with my friend Ross Smith.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
Extra hittings with Fred and Ross.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Order Ross, we got it again this week.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
Good morning, Fred, how are we doing good?
Speaker 3 (30:04):
I'm sorry I had a long delay there getting on.
I didn't think it would be this long, but hey,
you made it and here we go.
Speaker 5 (30:12):
We're here, baby, let's get it.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah, that's what you know. We got all new audience
each week. Or what give them that fifteen second story
about your background?
Speaker 8 (30:27):
My background grew up in sports all together. Mom was
a basketball player, Dad was a baseball guy, was a
pro scout for thirty years. I grew up on a
pretty high level of organized sports, specifically baseball, went to
Auburn out of high school. I played a few years there,
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got drafted, played for the Saint Louis Cardinals for two
and a half years, and opened up a baseball business
after Pro baseball, so kind of stayed in the sport
world and try to give back to the community and
to the sport that you know, gave me so much.
So I switched from baseball to golf. Uh and just
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replaced one white ball with another.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
And here we are. Yeah, and that's a lot of
baseball players do. Now we've switched gears from why Johnny
Hayes Sports And this is with a little discussion between
you and me. So we're going to pick a different
topic each week to talk about. So the first one
we wanted to talk about is the Pete Rose deal. Well,
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everybody knows ross about the Pete Rose and the fact
that he now you know, he got lose. What do
you think about that story?
Speaker 5 (31:46):
I mean, I think obviously rest in peace to Pete.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
I think that the timing of it is probably the
most I guess the most controversial part to me, just because.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
I'm getting off the lease. Why do you see the timing.
Speaker 8 (32:08):
Because if if he were still alive. I don't know
if he would have been given the opportunity to be
eligible for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
I think that just my personal opinion.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
I think that they would have stuck to their guns,
so to speak, and they wouldn't have let the guy
get voted in.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Do you think he should be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
My opinion without a doubt.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yes, how about that. I thought maybe you were going
to say that no, because a lot of people, you know,
obviously say they don't think that he should be in
the Hall of Fame. But I think he should be
in the Hall of Fame because you got to separate
the two. I mean to talk about his gambling, Yeah,
he's gambling. Turn around and look at today. Everybody can
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gamble exactly exactly.
Speaker 8 (32:51):
I mean, are we talking about how the man is
off of the field. Are we talking about the statistics
that he put up during his you know, career. To me,
I look at the statistics and they are undeniable. They
belong in the Hall of Fame. So that person belongs
in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Yeah, I don't understand why. You know, gim Audi, who
was the commissioner at the time, he was so adamant
about the whole deal that you know, okay, he cheated
and and of course Pete said he never bet on
his own team. I don't know whether we believe that
or not, but that's what he said. But why do
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you think Jim Otis was so against let them get
into Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
It could be a couple of reasons.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
One comes to the top of my mind is you know,
you're worried about your own self image. You know, you
don't want to be the guy known that has an
overwhelming majority of people that say he shouldn't be in,
and then you chose to let him in. So I
don't know if it was just like an ego self
ego thing that's just a reach.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
I think that.
Speaker 8 (33:57):
Maybe, I mean, maybe it goes deeper. I mean we'll
never know, but maybe maybe the maybe he lost money
on Pete Rose not going in his favor with his
personal betting or whatever. Well, just it's very interesting and
it's sad, but I mean it's.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Just it is what it is. Yeah, I mean, maybe
you think you think about it at that time. I mean,
this was what twenty five years ago at least that
when he was coaching or being a manager of the Reds,
that he's there betting on other games and whatnot. And
then of course you know that time is unheard of
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thinking of it. But like I said, I mean, you
go on a fan duel and hard rock here in Florida,
you can make bets on anything, and and it's hard
for me to believe that any of the baseball players today,
you know, we're not we're not doing the same thing
the betting out there.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think it's similar to
like when you have any big megast so to speak,
in any professional sport and they don't do things exactly
by the book. You know, I think that it gets
blown up more than you know, I want to say
out of proportion, but you know, more than maybe normal
or more than it should because we see these guys
as we put them on such a high pedestal he
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or she, and when they're not perfect, you know, we
just we can't fathom that they wouldn't they would do
such things. But to me, I mean, it's it's a
little hindsight's twenty twenty, where today's world you can bet
left and right on you know, the color of gatorade
that comes out when they dump it on the winning coach.
I mean, you can bet on anything, like you said,
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and so generationally different. Back then it was frowned upon.
But I mean it's public knowledge. You can google and
look up that he bet on his own team amongst others.
But when he bet on his own team, he bet
on them to win and win only. So I mean,
he wasn't like he was going out in blowing games.
You know, he was betting on his team to win.
So I don't think that he would do anything detrimental
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on the field that would cause them to lose on purpose.
So I mean I just a little conflicted when they say,
you know, they put such like a dark cloud over it.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, I mean you and I agree with the whole
bit of whether he should be reinstated, But I mean,
you look at the batting average, you're you're a baseball
player or what, But to think that you know the
number of hits and the way that he played, I
don't know that they'll ever see another player like him,
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especially with the number of hits that he got.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
To you and no, not at all, And I don't
with the whole package included, Uh, you know, Charlie Hustle
and all that. Like the way he played the game
outside of being the hit king, which is unbelievable, but
the way he played the game, and you know how
much heart and passion that he put into it, how
much hustle, I mean that whole package. I think that
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the guy was just a complete ballplayer.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
He had some.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
Issues or whatever you want to call it off the field,
but all due respect, what he did on the field
in between the white lines was second to none.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, I'm gonna switch here here with your ross. You're
you're one of the people, one of the few that
you know, we went through the system of playing baseball
with a little kid becoming all the way up to
you was signing, you know, with the Cardinals and going
out and with the minor league. But when I asked
you a couple of questions, you get a team like
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it was Johnson City or with one of them.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
Johnson City was the first, uh, first place that the
Cardinals sent me to after I got drafted.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (37:34):
And you and it's not necessarily an automatic. You don't
really know where you're going to go. It's all according
to kind of your age. They look at your numbers
of what you did at your respective age and kind
of uh, because they don't want to advance you too
far too soon and kind of throw you into the fire,
so to speak. So Johnson City was the first place
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where me, alongside a lot of other collegiate guys that
got drafted, were So I went to Johnson City first,
I went to Batavia, New York. After that, I went
to Davenport, Iowa, Quad Cities, and then ended up in
Palm Beach here in Florida.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
And then what happened.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
When you can basically triple my overall batting average to
get close to what Pete Rose did for a career,
they're not going to keep you around.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
I guess, yeah, you know, I picture. I think I
told you I was an agent for a major league player.
It got to the major leagues, but I often wonder
with minor league players the stories of you know, you
got to get it on a bus and go from
Davidport to wherever to play your next game. A lot
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of stuff goes on and between the games and whatnot.
You know, Yeah, you wanted to tell me about any
interesting issue that might have gone on.
Speaker 8 (39:02):
Yeah, I mean, you know, so, especially playing like you
said Davenport. That's the Midwest League. Up in the Midwest,
it's pretty spacious. So I mean we would have on average,
I think our shortest was like four and a half hours,
with our biggest one being nine or ten hour bus
ride all right after games because we play series in baseball,
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so you would play a series against whatever team and
then you would travel through the night to get ready
for the next series. And those bus rides, I mean
the bus ride literally by itself can be entertaining with
you know, your teammates from all over the world that you.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Would be entertaining. What do you mean entertaining? You go
with your teammates and whatnot.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
You know, you're in a tight space and some of
those guys, hey listen to different music, they talk at
a different tone, Like I mean, they're from all over
the world, So you got all different types of people
and cultures all in one small space you have. You know,
you learn to get along because they're all chasing the
same dream of trying to get to the big leagues.
So uh, I mean the journey itself of going through
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pro ball ultimately not making it, but just the journey
of meeting people that I call my friends now, but
you know my teammates at the time and going through
the quote unquote trenches with them, You know, I wouldn't
trade it for anything because they it's you know, it's
lasting lifelong friendships.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Anybody on that team ever make it all the way
to the big leagues. Uh?
Speaker 8 (40:32):
Yeah, my draft class was a pretty successful one.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (40:38):
I mean I slept on an air mattress with another
man for six months, uh who ended up later in
life winning the World Series with the Washington Nationals. So
I mean just little examples like that of uh stories
that I wouldn't really I wouldn't trade for anything as
I get older.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, I guess speaking of stories you had said to me,
you know about the book that I wrote about people
I met, of talking about any you got any story
of it? Talk about.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
Off top of the Muhammad Ali really gets me going.
Speaker 8 (41:13):
The one where you're just chilling on the airplane and
he's walking up and down the aisles or whatever.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
I just couldn't fathom. I couldn't fathom that.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
I think that one of the thirties stories. And maybe
we could talk about from from each week or whatnot. Yeah. Yeah,
I used to love watching Muhammad Ali. I mean, it's
so unfortunate the people that were into boxing. I was
into boxing because my grandfather was was uh, he couldn't
(41:43):
get him away from TV. We'd watch on Monday, Wednesday
and Friday nights. And then after a while it became
a time when Muhammad Ali was coming off. But a
lot of people don't realize that so many people hated him.
I mean right, he would get people and say, you know,
how pretty I am, and and people didn't like to
(42:07):
hear that. But then he would talk to the boxes
he would be boxing against, and you know, and calling
them names. I'm so mad, but but uh yeah, I
mean so he was kind of somebody I really thought
was just a unique individual. And of course when he
when he refused to go into the war Vietnam, uh,
(42:30):
that's what people really got upset with it. And he
came out. But then he got back into it. And
at that time I was traveling and doing a lot
of traveling between teams, and I ended up in Allentown, Pennsylvania,
on my way to Chicago, and at that time, he
(42:55):
was training somewhere around Allentown and he gets to get
you going to Chicago, and I'm at the airport and
I look over and see all these people around. You know,
he would have crowded around talking to everybody. And he
gets on the plane. Now I'm on the plane. I'm
(43:17):
in the back of the plane, and I come to
find out that he hated to fly, and he always
said he wanted to sit in front of the plane
because he'd be the first one out crash. But we're
halfway through the flight and the flight attendants coming down
(43:37):
get ready to serve him, and he gets up and
starts walking because he was nervous, you know, on the plane,
and so he decided to walk. And he's walking down
the aisle. People got their pens out for him to sign,
and he going by and saying, oh, are I beautiful,
(43:59):
you know, And so he's walking all of a sudden
turn around and the car girl is there at the
front and she's coming towards the back, towards him, so
he's got to keep coming to the back. Now I'm
sitting in the back and I'm sitting by the window,
and the guy is sitting on the aisle, and then
(44:20):
there's a guy in the middle of us. I swear
he must have been three hundred and forty pounds, and
he's budgeted into his seat and we get back there.
Now the car girl's there and Mohammed can't go anywhere,
so he's got to say he can't get back around
them or anything, so he decides just to stay there
(44:42):
rather than and he starts talking to us and he's
telling us all the different stories of things, one after another.
All of a sudden he looks down and the guy
in the middle, the three hundred and forty pounder, he
turns and looks at him. He said, Man, I have
to tell you something. You've got to get away from
(45:03):
the damn a refrigerator at midnight.
Speaker 8 (45:06):
Yeah, that's what I mean. Like his charisma, his personality.
I would love to have just even been in the
room where that man was. To be that good at
whatever it is that you do respectfully professionally and be
able to just like talk like that, I just I can't.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
I would.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
I would want to be in the same room and
just soak it all in.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
Hold. Hold were you when you first saw Muhammad Ali
on TV or wherever?
Speaker 8 (45:34):
And you know, oh not not until I mean growing up.
He was a little bit before my time, unfortunately, But uh,
and I grew up in a household that was you know,
I think, along with several other families in the country,
not not too you know, not not huge fans of him,
(45:58):
but in my mind, yeah, yeah, and uh, in my mind,
I just saw greatness.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
You know.
Speaker 8 (46:07):
I saw a guy that he talked a lot of smack,
but he backed it up. And I think that's one
of the really one of the greatest things in sports
is not just being good at your sport.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
But.
Speaker 8 (46:18):
You know, how you handle yourself and knowing that you're
good at it and not necessarily intentionally putting others down,
but you know, having a sense of humor and not
being so robotic machine like. I think it just it
magnified him in my mind to you know, I want
to want to see him more.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (46:39):
The other one, the other one with Kyle Ripkin. I
was going to ask you about Kyle Ripkin too. Uh,
that was more in my sport, but those two out
of my head.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah. How about maybe next week we talk about the
cal Ripkins store, cal Ris.
Speaker 8 (46:54):
I think that's a great I think that's a great
teaser for next week. We uh we get ready for
Cal Ripkin next week.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Yeah, we'll do it next week, but thanks for being
on again as always with our extra innings with Fred
and Ross. We'll get into it for a little uglier
stuff in the next few weeks.
Speaker 8 (47:12):
You got it, You got it.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Hey, you have a good weekend. Man, Bye, guys. Well,
there you go. That's our show for this week. We
change it and I add a little bit more to
it with you know, Lorenzo from Cabot Arkansas. Wow, Cabot
Arkansas had never heard of that before. And then a
(47:36):
little bit of Billy Jones's father booked here, and then
of course our extra innings with being Ross and yeah,
next week we talk about the story with me meeting
cal Rip and Junior and it was more than just
beating it. It was a very interesting story for me.
But we'll talk about it. But then, so thanks for
(47:57):
turning it turning into uh earning into I mean tuning
into why John A. Hayes sports this weekend. Y'all have
a great weekend.
Speaker 7 (48:07):
This program is sponsored by Sir Dirff Publishing in the
interest for better sports for kids, better kids for life.
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