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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You're listening to Why we Do what we Do. Welcome
to Why We Do what we Do? Mini. I'm your
host Abraham, and I'm your host Shane. We are a
psychology podcast. We talk about the things that humans and
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non human animals do, and sometimes we talk about just
really lovely traditions that are just good and great and
we like them.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, sometimes traditions are really really fun. And this one
is just a really I think, just a really interesting one,
one that doesn't really I feel like it doesn't show
up anywhere else except for in the region that we're
going to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
It's kind of unique. I think it is spreading. Yeah,
it is becoming more commonplace, but it is unique. And
you know, we use the word tradition, and I have
criticized that word in the past, and I think that
I would I stand by that criticism because this is
not a tradition in the sense that we do it
even though it's pointless and dumb. It's tradition in the
sense that it's been done this way for a long time,
or at least a version of it, but it's still
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very practical, whereas most traditions are not. When they are
traditions In my mind, I've always thought that a tradition
is what survives when the practical utility of a thing
is long dead. Sure, and the point for doing it
is long dead. But when things are practical, they stick around.
And although it looks like a tradition because it doesn't
change very much, it has actual reason to exist, and
so we keep doing it. Yeah, but there are many
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traditions that persist. There are things that persist that have
no reason to happen that way, and those are traditions anyway.
So let's go ahead and dive into this, though, because
we've already spent so much time, and this is a
mini which means we don't have very much time, and
actually that means I need to do a little bit
of preamble, which is welcome and thank you for joining us.
I hope that you enjoy what you hear in this podcast.
You can support us by liking, subscribing, leaving us a rating, review,
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joining us on Patreon, and I'll give a quick elaboration
of that at the end of this discussion. But this
is a mini We release these on Mondays, and these
are a short dive into a topic that we find
interesting or want to explore or want to explain or something.
We just talk, but for like fifteen minutes or so.
But I've spent a huge amount of those minutes, proportionally speaking,
not talking about our topic. So I think we need
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to get into it. Unless you have something to add
to a preamble that I may have forgotten, which I
do a lot.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
No party on Abraham.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Okay, when a dish breaks, or any ceramic thing, we
might throw it away and get a new one. It's broken,
so we have to go out, go to the store
pick up a new thing that we broke. Whatever, however,
we might choose instead to repair the dish and glue
it back together. That's the thing we might do.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, and usually we hope the glue will be invisible.
But in the ancient Japanese art of kinsugi or kinsukuri
I believe it's pronounced, the pieces are mended with powdered gold,
silver or platinum mixed with lacquer. The brightly colored adhusive
accentuates the imperfections of the repaired pottery rather than trying
to hide them, so it makes them really really clear
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and stand out.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
This is also the album by Death Cab for Cutie yes,
it is. This is just it's a beautiful idea and
it applies both metaphorically and literally to many facets of
our lives and cultures. So let's dig in a little
bit to the history of kansugi, what it is, how
it works, and how we can think about it psychologically
in a metaphorical and literal way.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah. So the art of kansugi has likely been around
for centuries, but the origin is actually not very clear.
Scholars are confident that kinsugi has been a common practice
in Japan since the sixteen hundreds, and there are multiple
legendary origin stories.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
So these stories are pretty apocryphal, unlikely that they're totally accurate,
but we'll give you two of them. At least. One
story suggested that there was the samurai long ago who
accidentally broke his lord's pottery, and he wanted to show
his contrition for breaking the pottery and also demonstrate and
communicate that this was an accident and that the breaking
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of the pottery was not done in anger or out
of rebellion or anything like that. So when reassembling the pottery,
he used gold powder in the lacquer to help show
that he made the repair and was doing it to
not hide the fact that it happened and that it
was not done out of anger anything of that nature. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Another story instead claims that an ancient shogun had sent
a broken tea bowl of china for repairs. When the
bowl returned with unseemingly metal staples holding it in place,
the shogun instead employed craftsmen to find a more elegant,
visually pleasing way of accomplishing the repairs, and they came
up with a technique to embed gold into those cracks,
into those fissures, in those fractures.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Either way, however it was done or wherever it comes from,
whatever happened there, Konsugi, which translates roughly to gold patch
or something like that, is the outcome of three core values.
We have a muttanai, which is regret that something is wasted,
mouchine which is the acceptance of change, and wabi sabi,
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which is finding beauty in the flaw and the imperfect.
And you can sort of see that immediately in what
we've described so far, and that'll become more apparent as
we go through it, that those are sort of values
embedded in this practice.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, So if you can imagine if you drop the
dish on the floor. Let's say it's something ceramic, like
some type of glass like that. Then imagine all the
broken pieces are reassembled to make the dishhole again, and
all of the brakes and cracks and fissures and fractures
and all that happened when the dish at the floor.
They're held together by a thin web of gold or
silver lines that now hold the entire piece together. That's kinsugi.
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So it looks like the plate that you had before,
but now it's got like these gold kind of rivers
that run through the entire dish, if you will.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
And it's often that it is now even stronger the
way that it's held together. That because it has all
these points where there's like various things that are holding
it together, it's now less likely to be able to
break again. It's now a stronger piece from the So
it's both accentuating the beauty and improving its overall durability
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and functionality, which is the opposite. When you split a
podcast and then you insert ads, that's like the opposite
of kinsuki. We're back at some points in there and
ad break happens. I'm not sure where just to had
to figure it out. Sorry, that wasn't clear, all right.
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There are a few different types of kinsugi that people
do this, So there is what's called crack konsugi. This
is the most common. I think people have an association
with a drug and that's not what's going on here.
This is simply fitting broken pieces together with some adhesive.
Super glue is really common in modern times. In the
past it was some other sticky sort of lacquer like substance.
But it's just you take all this all the pieces
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that were there, and they were there originally, put them
back together, use some adhesive, but make sure it's it's
colored with some kind of precious metal. That's kinsugi.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yep. There's also the piece method done by a piece maker,
if you will right get it speaker. This is the
where an entire piece of the broken object may be
replaced by a solid piece of epoxy or some other
resin like materials to use to fill the gap. So
maybe like part of like the like when the dish
is broken, like one piece is just too damage to
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be able to replace, so like you like to be
able to replace it with the original piece, so you
have to fill in the gaps.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, like a whole entire chunk that's like just the
filler material, yeah, but also still has that coloring to it. Yeah,
although I did see some examples where it was like
also entirely clear, but also highlights the fact that there's
a piece missing. That was kind of cool too. I'll
talk about that in a minute.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
So we have the crack method, the piece method, and
the last one is called joint call. And this is
where you actually use broken pieces from different pottery, from
different like things that were broken, and they're used in
place of a missing piece, and the two are held
together with gold or that silver colored adhesive or platinum
or whatever. So imagine you had like a piece of
a broken tea cup that might be use to fill
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the gap and a broken plate for example. Not unlike
patching genes, you know, for people who particularly grew up
in like the eighties and nineties and well before that actually,
but when you were using patches as like accent marks
on genes in a way like you'd use logos and
band patches and that sort of thing. Yeah, Anyway, in
this particular type, like you take pieces from different objects
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that were broken and you use them to rebuild the
broken object, and so it has the sort of appearance
of like let's say it was a bowl or a plate,
but you also have this like totally different color, different
material that's in the chunk of it to help fill
that space. But that's that joint call kinsuki.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, super cool. So of course metaphors abound. You know,
humans like to find symbolism and see ourselves and everything,
and kinsugi is one of those things that we see
ourselves in. Right. We often try to hide our flaws
or think of them as failures to overcome, but kinsugi
instead might lead us to regard our flaws as a
piece of who we are, and that it is through
our mistakes that we have come the people we are
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today and stronger as a result. So no one makes
it out of this life unscathed. But maybe those breaks,
those fractures, those cracks, and when they're repaired, make us
stronger and more resilient than we were before.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
And I know a lot of us might look back
on our lives and say I would have done this differently,
but I also think we acknowledged that had we done that,
we wouldn't have ended up where we are. Sure if
we hadn't gone through, you know, some experience or made
some mistakes. We wouldn't have learned from those mistakes. We
might not have had the opportunity to be the wiser
for having gone through that, and we didn't want to
go through in the moment, and we might have regretted
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that happened, but we also acknowledged the role that it played.
So it's not that we celebrate the mistakes as like,
let's go make a mess and screw everything up. It's
let's acknowledge that that's the thing that happened. It is
a part of us, and it is part of what
made us who we are. Yeah, And you could also
think of this societally as well. Perhaps if we accept
the divisions we have in our culture and our societies
and our cities, if we see those as unique variables
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that contribute to the rich and storied tapestry of our culture,
it's possible something like that would help us see a
path forward working together, that we acknowledge these divisions and
we say like, let's take a look at those, Let's
see what is the thing that seems like it's driving
us apart and actually recognize it, like the fact that
we are complicated as part of what makes us unique
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and great, and that we don't want a homogeneous group
of hive minds like we want people to be individuals.
We want people to be unique. Yeah, and have their
own story as their own histories. And let's see the
fact that we are different as a thing to acknowledge
as being beautiful in its own way. It seems unlikely
this will happen in the near future. We appear to
be in the shatter the pottery phase of our culture. Sure,
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but maybe once people are done destroying society, we'll have
a chance to put the pieces back together and maybe
see the divisions among us as things that we can
learn from.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah. And finally, there is the literal practice of repairing
broken things. The materialistic nature of our society that emphasizes
stuff and new and more has many of us feeling
disheartened about the amount of waste we're producing and the
amount of money we are spending on the raw materials
required to constantly make new things. So if we adopt
a thing like this, we can repair things and reuse
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things and like take things that are kind of like
and disrepair and fix them and be able to use
them in a meaningful way. We can kind of upcycle
things if you will. Yeah, and this is just a
really beautiful way of doing this. It's just a little
bit different than maybe just like repurposing something.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah. Yeah, So konsugi is a method to preserve our
broken things longer rather than commit them to waste and
to just purchase new things. So it has that aspect
to it as well. So we have our metaphorical look
at individual people or a metaphorical look at society as
a whole, and a literal look at kensugi as a
way to just preserve our raw materials and like not
create so much garbage. Yeah, you know, we're not trying
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to end up in the state that Wally started with
a Disney Pixar movie. I think it was Pixar Rasney something.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yes it was Pixar.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yes, okay, great, Well anyway, that's what we have to
say about that. So go do kinsugi. Is there anything
you would like to add or anything that I forgot
before we wrap this up really quick?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Uh nope, I don't think so.
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Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, thank you for having me.
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Anything that I forgot that you would like to add
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