July 7, 2025 • 11 mins
Some people use this term incorretly, some don't know it at all. To help get everyone on the same page, we are going to review the history of research that first described this phenomenon. Then, we will give examples of what this might look like in real-life scenarios.
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- Cooper, J. O., Heron, T. E., & Heward, W. L. (2020). Applied Behavior Analysis, 3rd Ed. Pearson.
- Seligman, M. E., & Maier, S. F. (1967). Failure to escape traumatic shock. Journal of Experimental Psychology, 74(1), 1–9. https://doi.org/10.1037/h0024514
- Maier, S.F., Seligman, M.E.P., & Solomon, R.L. (1969). Pavlovian fear conditioning and learned helplessness: Effects on escape and avoidance behavior of (a) the CS-US contingency, and (b) the independence of the US and voluntary responding. In: Campbell BA, Church RM, editors. Punishment. New York, NY: Appleton-Century-Crofts; pp. 299–342
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You're listening to Why we do what we do. Welcome
to Why we do what we do?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Mini. I am your host Abraham, and.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm your host Shane.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We are a psychology podcast. We talk about the things
that humans and non human animals do, and we'll be
talking a little bit more about the things that non
human animals do or don't do in this discussion today,
because we're talking about something called learned helplessness.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yes, learned helplessness. It's a term that gets thrown around
a lot. You've probably heard it, but most people don't
actually know what it is. They just kind of go
They just assume that somebody is not doing something because
of learned helplessness, and most of the time they get
it wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Before we jump into that, I would like to say
that if you're joining us for the first time, Welcome.
We are so glad to have you here. If you're
a joining us again because you've listened to us before,
then welcome. We're happy that you have continued to find
value in the thing that we make here on this podcast,
and we hope that you continue to do so in
the future. And if you like to support us in
any way, you can leave us a rating and review,
(01:11):
like subscribe, tell a friend, or head over to Patreon
and there you'll get some bonus stuff. I'll talk more
about all of that at the end of this discussion.
But as we said at the top, this is a
mini which means it's a short episode. We just get
into a topic, get out of that topic, and then
you go about your day. But we'll do a quick
breakdown of this thing and learn helplessness. You've probably heard
of it, do you know what it is? It could
(01:32):
probably be a full length episode or maybe even a
series of episodes if we wanted to get on. Like
the research that led to the development of this and
how they began to interpret this and all the research
that happened and all of that I think is very fascinating. Yeah,
and maybe we'll get there, but for now, I think
it's easy enough to unpack the general idea on the
mini and it definitely feels like it's worth addressing.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, and part of this was inspired by hearing someone
use this incorrectly, like we off. Actually, as a matter
of fact, it's like most of our episodes. We hear
somebody whose it wrong on we go well, actually, and
then here we are with this new episode. Yeah, not
in a bad way, but like we're just kind of like, oh, right,
people don't actually understand this. Multiple people use this incorrectly,
and some of them who should have definitely known better,
(02:12):
uses incorrectly. So now we're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Boy, you know what, this whole podcast could have maybe
even been called well, actually.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
That's a subtitle. That's a subtitle a little bit. I
think like it's kind of like how Slaughterhouse five is.
I think the subtitle is like the Children's War, So
it's like that. It's like that too. You know.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I have to ready read that. I haven't read that
in a long time.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Oh, it's on my list. I gotta read it again.
It's incredible, all right.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So anyway, let's unpack what learned helplessness is and how
we know about it and mercifully this is one of
those descriptions that is fairly self evident from the name alone.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah. Absolutely so. The feeling of helpless this that comes
from experiences such that we learn to be helpless is
what learned helplesses is basically just kind of like we
experience this thing and we go, oh, it's out of
my control. I can't do anything about it. That's really
kind of the gist of it.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
That is kind of it. You kind of actually hit
the nail on the head. This is credited to Martin E. P. Seligman.
He was doing research on Pavlovian classical conditioning with rats
and dogs at the University of Pennsylvania in the nineteen sixties.
Seligman and some colleagues were conducting experimental arrangements in which
rats or in one case, dogs, they were exposed to
electric shock. Yes, this is a thing that they did
(03:27):
back then, and they inadvertently discovered that if dogs received
electric shock from which they could not escape or avoid,
or at least couldn't figure out how to escape or avoid,
they stopped attempting to escape or avoid. They would just
sit there being shocked, just letting it. It just happened
because there's nothing they could do about it. Like, they
couldn't fight back, They wouldn't do anything. They would just
(03:49):
lay there being exposed to the shock.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah. Now, Seligman decided to pursue this with humans as well,
although he switched to using loud sounds instead of electric shocks,
which I guess is better if you you know, I
guess shock doesn't necessarily give you hearing damage, but you know,
there's that, and then actually replicated the phenomenon he had
observed with dogs.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, the same thing of people feeling like if I
can't do anything about it, then I just sit here
and have to take it. I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
This quickly became popular and more of the sort of
social psychology circles as well as people delivering therapy and
clinical settings, And it does explain so much for many
people who develop rigid self deprecating habits that some of
them have learned this through an experience in which they
contacted some trauma that they could do nothing to avoid
(04:37):
or escape once it happened, And like knowing that about
someone's past can really help illustrate how they got to
this place where you're like, why don't you just try?
Why don't you just get yourself out of it? And
they're just like, what's the point, Like this is just
going to keep happening. I'm stuck here.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, just kind of like how you're acting right now
when these ads play. Okay, so we're talking about learned helplessness.
Hopefully you have gotten out of that contingency and uh,
let's keep going on this. Now, imagine someone who suddenly
experiences a major sedure for the first time, Like, this
is just a major thing that happened. They have they
(05:13):
it was out of nowhere. It comes out of nowhere,
and it completely changes things that you can and can't do,
and your thoughts are about things that you can and
can't do. It changes everything. Why even try to learn
or remember have control over your own life if it
can be snatched away in the blink of an eye
through no fault of your own. This happens. This happens
to people, like something happens. They go, oh, this is
(05:33):
my life, now, this could be what what what's the
point of continuing forward if this is something that that's
like we are we are minuscule, we are you know,
they have like an existential crisis over it. Almost.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, like I tried and this thing just happened, and
now like I can't learn.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I did all the right things right, Yeah, I did
all the right things in this and it was taken
away from me. So what's the point.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, Like I can't learn, I can't remember. I'm just
gonna just whatever. I'm just going to wallow in. This
is what I have, and it's it's it is what
it is. Another situation. Imagine being attacked by a stranger
randomly as you're going about your day, and like, let's
just imagine that you're like you're in sort of your
normal routine, Like you're just going through the places you
normally go, doing the things you normally do. This can
again and be a sense of helplessness that even though
(06:16):
you did nothing risky, out of character or problematic, you
are subjected to this violence, and that can leave people
feeling a loss of control and having this sort of
ongoing then thought and experience that there's no point in
trying to do things because things like that will just
happen to.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
You, right, And for some people it may be that
they're withdrawals an attempt to avoid future trauma and that
they are taking a proactive approach. This definitely may happen
for some people, but for the purposes of this discussion,
we're using the condition under which it leaves them feeling
unavoidably helpless. It's a different sensation, it's a different emotion,
it's a different thought pattern.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, it's like the difference between I'm just going to
stop doing these things to try and avoid any further
trauma because I'm trying to take a proactive a proach
for myself versus I give up. Yeah, I'm just done.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah exactly, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Like I don't care. That's sort of the difference between
those two things. The experience can immediately generalize to a
self generated rule. I think people can have the walk
away with the I'm broken, I'm weak, I'm an effective
because they ran into the situation that they could do
nothing about where they thought they had control over their lives,
and all of a sudden they didn't. And the fall
(07:26):
out of this can lead to other failures that come
from giving up. It could lead to loss of relationships,
poor work performances, failing out of school, and all of
those failures just further confirm the rule that you've generated
I'm weak, I'm broken, I'm an effective, And it creates
sort of a self fulfilling prophecy, as they like to say,
(07:49):
or a like a cycle, like a just of ongoing
things getting worse, and situations that used to evoke joy
and active participation now instead take on the effect and
function of the rule that was actually generated by the trauma.
And so it gets into that vicious cycle of just
the snake in in its own tail thing where your
(08:09):
experience a situation that just happened, it wasn't your fault,
but as a fallout of that, you inadvertently create situations
that strengthen that feeling of helplessness. If that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And this is also when we talk
about folks who are in abusive relationships or really horrible jobs,
or like life circumstances that they feel stuck. Yeah, this
is a consideration like that for people and why they
stay there. You know, you might know, like you know,
people who live in a small town, they're like, there's
no getting out of here. People who are in those
relationships that are like I just can't get out. What
(08:42):
am I going to do if I get out? Yeah,
this is something that they really experience. This is this
is definitely consideration or something to explore at least if
we're working with folks trying to change their lives.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So that's learned helplessness. We observed it in animals, we
observe it in humans. It is extremely difficult to overcome.
It takes the help of trained professionals, and it really
also helps to have like compassion and patience of loved
ones to help move someone through it. Otherwise they may
not move through it and might just kind of be
stuck there in that vicious cycle. So it's what I
(09:12):
think worth just considering that, Like when you see these
people who are in this situations, you're like, why why
do you Why aren't you trying harder to get out
of this? That's why. Yeah, it's like they learn for
themselves that there is no escape, and like even just
telling them there is an escape that may not necessarily
mean anything in some of these situations with like the
rats and the dogs, they provided them viable means of
(09:34):
escaping their situation, but they didn't take them. They'd just
given up. And that's this experience of learned helplessness that
a lot of people find themselves in in some of
these these these places, and it sucks, like it's a
terrible place to be. But I think the main point
here is to help underscore like that's what it is,
and people are using this term incorrectly. We'd like to
try and set the course straight on, like what is
(09:56):
actually happening in learn selfish or learned helplessness, not learn selfishness,
totally different thing. Learned helpless yesh, yeah, yeah, absolutely all right.
Is there anything you'd like to add or anything that
we that I forgot before we wrap this up?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
No, I think we should pat ourselves on the back
for getting another mini at about ten minutes. It's pretty great.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, right, that isn't I think that's I think that's
actually three in a row for us. That is almost
a bingo. Anyway, if you would like to tell us
your thoughts on Learned Helplessness, tell us what we got
wrong or especially what we got right, you can email
us directly at info at wwdwwdpodcast dot com, or reach
us on the social media platforms. As I mentioned before,
you can join us on Patreon. If you do, I'll
read your name on our full length episodes and you'll
(10:33):
get some other early episodes, add free episodes that sort
of thing, and there's a goodies over there and it
really helps us out. You can also like subscribe, leave
a rating like go click those five stars if you
want to also add a review that helps even more.
But five stars is great also, and I think that
that is what I have to say. Thank you too
so much to my team of people who make these
things happen. Is there anything else that I forgot that
you would like to add before we get out of
(10:54):
here in a reasonable amount of time? Nope, not today.
All right, thank you all for listening. This is Abraham
and this is Shane. Why We Do what we Do?
Minie is out.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You've been listening to Why We Do What We Do.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You can learn more about this and other episodes by
going to WWDWWD podcast dot com.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Thanks for listening, and we hope you have an awesome day.
You're listening to Why we do what we do. Welcome
to Why we do what we do?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Mini. I am your host Abraham, and.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm your host Shane.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
We are a psychology podcast. We talk about the things
that humans and non human animals do, and we'll be
talking a little bit more about the things that non
human animals do or don't do in this discussion today,
because we're talking about something called learned helplessness.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yes, learned helplessness. It's a term that gets thrown around
a lot. You've probably heard it, but most people don't
actually know what it is. They just kind of go
They just assume that somebody is not doing something because
of learned helplessness, and most of the time they get
it wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Before we jump into that, I would like to say
that if you're joining us for the first time, Welcome.
We are so glad to have you here. If you're
a joining us again because you've listened to us before,
then welcome. We're happy that you have continued to find
value in the thing that we make here on this podcast,
and we hope that you continue to do so in
the future. And if you like to support us in
any way, you can leave us a rating and review,
(01:11):
like subscribe, tell a friend, or head over to Patreon
and there you'll get some bonus stuff. I'll talk more
about all of that at the end of this discussion.
But as we said at the top, this is a
mini which means it's a short episode. We just get
into a topic, get out of that topic, and then
you go about your day. But we'll do a quick
breakdown of this thing and learn helplessness. You've probably heard
of it, do you know what it is? It could
(01:32):
probably be a full length episode or maybe even a
series of episodes if we wanted to get on. Like
the research that led to the development of this and
how they began to interpret this and all the research
that happened and all of that I think is very fascinating. Yeah,
and maybe we'll get there, but for now, I think
it's easy enough to unpack the general idea on the
mini and it definitely feels like it's worth addressing.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, and part of this was inspired by hearing someone
use this incorrectly, like we off. Actually, as a matter
of fact, it's like most of our episodes. We hear
somebody whose it wrong on we go well, actually, and
then here we are with this new episode. Yeah, not
in a bad way, but like we're just kind of like, oh, right,
people don't actually understand this. Multiple people use this incorrectly,
and some of them who should have definitely known better,
(02:12):
uses incorrectly. So now we're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Boy, you know what, this whole podcast could have maybe
even been called well, actually.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
That's a subtitle. That's a subtitle a little bit. I
think like it's kind of like how Slaughterhouse five is.
I think the subtitle is like the Children's War, So
it's like that. It's like that too. You know.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I have to ready read that. I haven't read that
in a long time.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Oh, it's on my list. I gotta read it again.
It's incredible, all right.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So anyway, let's unpack what learned helplessness is and how
we know about it and mercifully this is one of
those descriptions that is fairly self evident from the name alone.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah. Absolutely so. The feeling of helpless this that comes
from experiences such that we learn to be helpless is
what learned helplesses is basically just kind of like we
experience this thing and we go, oh, it's out of
my control. I can't do anything about it. That's really
kind of the gist of it.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
That is kind of it. You kind of actually hit
the nail on the head. This is credited to Martin E. P. Seligman.
He was doing research on Pavlovian classical conditioning with rats
and dogs at the University of Pennsylvania in the nineteen sixties.
Seligman and some colleagues were conducting experimental arrangements in which
rats or in one case, dogs, they were exposed to
electric shock. Yes, this is a thing that they did
(03:27):
back then, and they inadvertently discovered that if dogs received
electric shock from which they could not escape or avoid,
or at least couldn't figure out how to escape or avoid,
they stopped attempting to escape or avoid. They would just
sit there being shocked, just letting it. It just happened
because there's nothing they could do about it. Like, they
couldn't fight back, They wouldn't do anything. They would just
(03:49):
lay there being exposed to the shock.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah. Now, Seligman decided to pursue this with humans as well,
although he switched to using loud sounds instead of electric shocks,
which I guess is better if you you know, I
guess shock doesn't necessarily give you hearing damage, but you know,
there's that, and then actually replicated the phenomenon he had
observed with dogs.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, the same thing of people feeling like if I
can't do anything about it, then I just sit here
and have to take it. I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
This quickly became popular and more of the sort of
social psychology circles as well as people delivering therapy and
clinical settings, And it does explain so much for many
people who develop rigid self deprecating habits that some of
them have learned this through an experience in which they
contacted some trauma that they could do nothing to avoid
(04:37):
or escape once it happened, And like knowing that about
someone's past can really help illustrate how they got to
this place where you're like, why don't you just try?
Why don't you just get yourself out of it? And
they're just like, what's the point, Like this is just
going to keep happening. I'm stuck here.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, just kind of like how you're acting right now
when these ads play. Okay, so we're talking about learned helplessness.
Hopefully you have gotten out of that contingency and uh,
let's keep going on this. Now, imagine someone who suddenly
experiences a major sedure for the first time, Like, this
is just a major thing that happened. They have they
(05:13):
it was out of nowhere. It comes out of nowhere,
and it completely changes things that you can and can't do,
and your thoughts are about things that you can and
can't do. It changes everything. Why even try to learn
or remember have control over your own life if it
can be snatched away in the blink of an eye
through no fault of your own. This happens. This happens
to people, like something happens. They go, oh, this is
(05:33):
my life, now, this could be what what what's the
point of continuing forward if this is something that that's
like we are we are minuscule, we are you know,
they have like an existential crisis over it. Almost.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, like I tried and this thing just happened, and
now like I can't learn.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I did all the right things right, Yeah, I did
all the right things in this and it was taken
away from me. So what's the point.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah, Like I can't learn, I can't remember. I'm just
gonna just whatever. I'm just going to wallow in. This
is what I have, and it's it's it is what
it is. Another situation. Imagine being attacked by a stranger
randomly as you're going about your day, and like, let's
just imagine that you're like you're in sort of your
normal routine, Like you're just going through the places you
normally go, doing the things you normally do. This can
again and be a sense of helplessness that even though
(06:16):
you did nothing risky, out of character or problematic, you
are subjected to this violence, and that can leave people
feeling a loss of control and having this sort of
ongoing then thought and experience that there's no point in
trying to do things because things like that will just
happen to.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
You, right, And for some people it may be that
they're withdrawals an attempt to avoid future trauma and that
they are taking a proactive approach. This definitely may happen
for some people, but for the purposes of this discussion,
we're using the condition under which it leaves them feeling
unavoidably helpless. It's a different sensation, it's a different emotion,
it's a different thought pattern.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Yeah, it's like the difference between I'm just going to
stop doing these things to try and avoid any further
trauma because I'm trying to take a proactive a proach
for myself versus I give up. Yeah, I'm just done.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah exactly, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Like I don't care. That's sort of the difference between
those two things. The experience can immediately generalize to a
self generated rule. I think people can have the walk
away with the I'm broken, I'm weak, I'm an effective
because they ran into the situation that they could do
nothing about where they thought they had control over their lives,
and all of a sudden they didn't. And the fall
(07:26):
out of this can lead to other failures that come
from giving up. It could lead to loss of relationships,
poor work performances, failing out of school, and all of
those failures just further confirm the rule that you've generated
I'm weak, I'm broken, I'm an effective, And it creates
sort of a self fulfilling prophecy, as they like to say,
(07:49):
or a like a cycle, like a just of ongoing
things getting worse, and situations that used to evoke joy
and active participation now instead take on the effect and
function of the rule that was actually generated by the trauma.
And so it gets into that vicious cycle of just
the snake in in its own tail thing where your
(08:09):
experience a situation that just happened, it wasn't your fault,
but as a fallout of that, you inadvertently create situations
that strengthen that feeling of helplessness. If that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And this is also when we talk
about folks who are in abusive relationships or really horrible jobs,
or like life circumstances that they feel stuck. Yeah, this
is a consideration like that for people and why they
stay there. You know, you might know, like you know,
people who live in a small town, they're like, there's
no getting out of here. People who are in those
relationships that are like I just can't get out. What
(08:42):
am I going to do if I get out? Yeah,
this is something that they really experience. This is this
is definitely consideration or something to explore at least if
we're working with folks trying to change their lives.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So that's learned helplessness. We observed it in animals, we
observe it in humans. It is extremely difficult to overcome.
It takes the help of trained professionals, and it really
also helps to have like compassion and patience of loved
ones to help move someone through it. Otherwise they may
not move through it and might just kind of be
stuck there in that vicious cycle. So it's what I
(09:12):
think worth just considering that, Like when you see these
people who are in this situations, you're like, why why
do you Why aren't you trying harder to get out
of this? That's why. Yeah, it's like they learn for
themselves that there is no escape, and like even just
telling them there is an escape that may not necessarily
mean anything in some of these situations with like the
rats and the dogs, they provided them viable means of
(09:34):
escaping their situation, but they didn't take them. They'd just
given up. And that's this experience of learned helplessness that
a lot of people find themselves in in some of
these these these places, and it sucks, like it's a
terrible place to be. But I think the main point
here is to help underscore like that's what it is,
and people are using this term incorrectly. We'd like to
try and set the course straight on, like what is
(09:56):
actually happening in learn selfish or learned helplessness, not learn selfishness,
totally different thing. Learned helpless yesh, yeah, yeah, absolutely all right.
Is there anything you'd like to add or anything that
we that I forgot before we wrap this up?
Speaker 3 (10:07):
No, I think we should pat ourselves on the back
for getting another mini at about ten minutes. It's pretty great.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, right, that isn't I think that's I think that's
actually three in a row for us. That is almost
a bingo. Anyway, if you would like to tell us
your thoughts on Learned Helplessness, tell us what we got
wrong or especially what we got right, you can email
us directly at info at wwdwwdpodcast dot com, or reach
us on the social media platforms. As I mentioned before,
you can join us on Patreon. If you do, I'll
read your name on our full length episodes and you'll
(10:33):
get some other early episodes, add free episodes that sort
of thing, and there's a goodies over there and it
really helps us out. You can also like subscribe, leave
a rating like go click those five stars if you
want to also add a review that helps even more.
But five stars is great also, and I think that
that is what I have to say. Thank you too
so much to my team of people who make these
things happen. Is there anything else that I forgot that
you would like to add before we get out of
(10:54):
here in a reasonable amount of time? Nope, not today.
All right, thank you all for listening. This is Abraham
and this is Shane. Why We Do what we Do?
Minie is out.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
You've been listening to Why We Do What We Do.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You can learn more about this and other episodes by
going to WWDWWD podcast dot com.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Thanks for listening, and we hope you have an awesome day.
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