Addressing the State of Professional Wrestling | Episode #280 - World Elite Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
To Bad, Back to be, to bring back, to back
to bad, back, to pay, pay to play, to bring

(00:45):
back pain, to bring by Pam, to pay Back.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Hey, what's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of
the World of Lead podcast. I am your host, Dylan
Abert and joining me as always my tax team partner,
the second half of the World of Lead dynamic duo.
It's Jordan or what's up man? How you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, I'm doing great. Ready to kill it again? And
this time we got here about to say his name.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Absolutely speaking of his name, uh, it seems pretty lucky
that we're getting this guy on our show because if
you see him, you see him every single night on
Circle of Debate.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
He is the redeemer justin what is good? Brother?

Speaker 5 (01:56):
Oh my goodness, it feels so good to be bad.
Like I said, it's been so long since I've been
with you guys here, so man, it feels good to
be back.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, dude, absolutely, it feels like it's been an eternity
since you've been back on the show.

Speaker 6 (02:10):
So we don't even remember, like legitimately last time, I
would be lying up, I told you, bro, because we
because before we took this break, before the New Era
started and and whatnot. Before we were doing a few shows,
and I remember I took a long time off because
me and my wife are in the process of buying

(02:31):
this house, and I was gone for a long time.
And I think maybe you joined like on a one
or two times, but even before that, it was a
long time before then. So yeah, man, it's it's been
quite some time, that's for sure.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Honestly, I think that I can remember correctly. I think
it was like sometime during like WrestleMania, honestly, like it
was like predictions for that or something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's been that long, it has, man. But uh no,
Before we get to our topics, first of all, Justin
I want to thank you in particular, dude, because because
before we came back, Jordan I came back, you were
a big advocator for this show. And you know, every
time me and Jordan commented on cod you know, you
always know advertised when we're coming back. You always, you know,

(03:12):
talked real good about Jordan and I, you know, along
with Dom, I've and the rest of the people over
there at COOD. So I really want to thank you
in particular for really being a big supporter of the show.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
I mean, you've seen how many different shows that I
will advocate for, Like, there's so many people out there,
and like, you guys have always been basically like the
upper part like you guys. Like like I said, I
consider you guys like family. You guys are like brothers
and we, like I said, you guys, when you guys

(03:41):
said you were coming back, the first thing I did
was like, I have to plug this. I have to
keep plugging this. I have to get this out there world.
Elite is coming back, revamped, refreshed, ready to kick ass.
And that's what I had to do for you guys
because you you know, like I said, you guys are
family basically.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah. Man, well well once again we do a pre everything. Man.
You know, it does me the world that you know
that you, along with others you know, really advocated for
us to come back and and honestly, I think that's
something that really helped, you know, really motivate us to
come back, because once we took our break, there were
times where I'm like, Okay, maybe this break's going to
be permanent, you know, maybe it's something I don't want
to do no more. Something like that, you know, the

(04:17):
support from you along with everyone else. I think has
really helped us come back and and to motivate us
to keep it going every single Monday, you know, because
because once we're done, we always tune into you guys.
You know, we always support the ones that support us,
and you know, Cod is one of our biggest supporters,
so the rest of the guys over there as well,
we do appreciate. But yeah, so, so uh let's let's

(04:39):
hop to the first topic while we're at it. You know,
and something I didn't watch over the weekend. Jordan and
I were in Houston, so we didn't watch it live.
I know Jordan since then has watched it, just I
know watched it live. But I basically relied on people,
you know, giving me info, Like like my brother was
was over here watching my dog, who I'm currently holding
right now, who's being an angel right now, but she's

(04:59):
going to be a demon no more when my wife
gets back from work. But uh yeah, so so he
was watching her, was feeding me info. He was spoiling
the show. But I really didn't care those backlash. It's
not like it's the Rumble or WrestleMania or or anything
like that, so I really care sho wants to get down. Okay,
so all right. So so I mainly relied, like I said,

(05:21):
on seeing stuff on the internet, seeing the highlights after
the show, I did go back on Peacock and watch
a few things here and there, like the like the
Jeff Cobb debut. I wanted to see Dominic Mysterio's entrance
in particular because that they said he got a really
big pop from the crowd, so I wanted to see
that as well, because this guy has gotten super over.
So I guess I'll go first on my take from

(05:43):
the show. First of all, the results from the show
was only five matches. Jacob Fatu defeated La Knight, Damian Priest,
and Drew McIntyre to retain the United States Champion with
the help. Like I said of Jeff Cobb, we'll talk
about that in a sec Lyra Valkeria defeated Back Lynch
to retain the Women's Intercontinental Championship. Dominic Mysterio defeated Panta

(06:06):
to retain the Intercondental Championship. Gunther defeated Pat McAfee, and
John Cena defeated Randy Orton to retain the undisputed w Championship.
Like I said, I'll go first on my take because
I didn't watch the show, so I feel like I
have the least amount to offer on all of this.

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But for one, Jeff cob I did not expect him
to debut at this show at all because I was thinking,
I was looking at the card, I'm like, Okay, what's
the purpose for him debuting tonight. There's not a match
on this card that I can see him debuting daring,
And now did he debut daring Jacob Fatu's match. It
makes a lot of sense because if you're gonna get

(06:50):
Jacob Fatu away from the Bloodline, be on his own,
you know, one day, maybe turn on Solo, then then
I think the Jeff cob could be the perfect almost
replace into the Bloodline, kind of like that enforcer, kind
of like how Solo was with Roman, he was that enforcer,
and I feel like that Jeff Cobbit is like that
perfect role for that. So I think they debuted him

(07:10):
in a good way.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Lyra, that one really surprised me. I did not expect
her to win by any means. I know a lot
of people picked Becky. I thought Becky was gonna put
her over. Uh she was gonna put herself over, you know,
because since uh SummerSlam a few years ago, when she
came back and she took down Bianca in seconds. You know,

(07:32):
that told me right there, she's gonna put herself over
no matter what. And I thought this was gonna be
the perfect opportunity to put herself over to win another
championship from Lyra. But that really surprised me. Same thing
with Dominic. It was his first defense on on a
pl E and he beat Pansa. Yeah, he got helped
Judgment Day and even Chad Gable, but I mean, I

(07:58):
think I think Pinta's gonna win it at some point.
It is just it was Dom's first pl defense. I
didn't see any reason for him to lose it by
any means. He's super over with the crowd as well,
so I think the crowd probably would be'en. They would
have been booinged the entire nights if don would have lost.
I think that's how over he is right now. With
Guntherro and Pat McAfee, I think from people who did

(08:19):
not see Pat McAfee's work in NXT, I think they
were maybe a little surprised with how well he did
against Gunther guntherer still beat the shit out of him,
but it was very impressive to see how well Pat
McAfee did. Yeah, he botched here and there. He's not
a wrestler, though he is a commentator. He's a former
football player, so yeah, there's gonna be little trips up
here and there, but it was still from what I seen,

(08:40):
it was pretty decent overall. And then the main event,
it was as expected as you can get. John Cena
is not going to lose his first defense with the championship.
It doesn't matter for Andy Orden's in his hometown. But
I think it was a little cold touch how they
did towards the end where Randy Ortens, RKO and every
everybody he got nick called again and even the cool

(09:01):
touch of Archers coming in to help his childhood hero
in John Cena. That was pretty cool as well. And
I think that Randy Orton didn't want to do it
at all, but he still had to do it so
he could try to get the scena and scene. It's
still capitalized on all of that and ended up winning.
And it seems like now we're getting seen a truth
at Saturday Night's main event with the AA through to

(09:23):
the table during the press conference and whatnot. So I mean, overall,
it seemed like an okay show. So well, I go
back and watch it, probably not, but from what I seen,
it was an okay show. Wasn't the best, wasn't the
worst of an overall scale one to ten, probably a
seven and a half. I think that's probably a fair

(09:44):
score from someone who hasn't watched the show. But from
what I seen, it wasn't terrible. So justin you can
go next man.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
So yeah, Basically, for me, Backlash felt very throwaway, felt
very throwaway because we literally had what two weeks to
build up this show straight out of WrestleMania, and it
felt just like this. This came off as a we
just had to give you a show because we had
this scheduled, so this is what we gave you, And honestly,

(10:16):
to me, it felt like a letdown. It felt like
a very like disappointing esque show overall. Like the beginning,
like the opener with the fatal four way for the
US title was awesome. I enjoyed it. And Jeff Cobbs
showing up I just love that. Like I did not
expect Cobb to show up tonight.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
Like that night.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
It was literally just I thought we were gonna, wait,
it was gonna happen on a SmackDown, just to try
to make SmackDown a little bit better. But then it
happened at Backlash, and now we got, you know, Fatu
looking so conflicted, like, I didn't want to do this.
I didn't want to I didn't want you to bring
somebody else in when it's been us the whole time.
Now you got somebody else here like Solo. You're doing

(10:56):
some shady stuff right now. So you could see it
on his face. He was very conflicted by that, But
I love that. I thought it was an awesome opener.
And then honestly, like Lyra and Becky, I thought they
had an awesome matchup. I genuinely thought Becky Lynch was
gonna win it because I figured we were going to
do the Bianca bell Air thing. I thought we were

(11:16):
gonna actually have Bianca, like we're gonna have like Lyra
lose the championship and then Becky have her chase and
then would help Lyra get over more. Because Lyra, Yes,
people love Lyra Valkyria, but when they see her, she
still kind of gets these very dry reactions from people,
like you hear the crowd and it's just kind of like, yeah, Lira,

(11:39):
like they'll do the WU thing and there in her
entrance and everything, they really like her, but it's like
during her matches they just seem kind of kind of
iffy about her. But it's like during it's like later
in the matches she starts having you start to hear
the crowd get behind her, and they start really liking her.
But this is like one of those situations where I
thought Becky would win, Lyra would shack, it would get

(12:00):
people behind her more, and then it would result in
Lyra getting the championship back, which I looked at that
and I was like, Okay, that could be a good
story because look how well it worked for Bianca, it
could work for Lyra in a long run. So I
got excited for that. But honestly, when Lyra won, I
was genuinely shocked because it just felt like, we're not

(12:21):
done with this, So why did Lira have to win
the first one? Why didn't Becky just win the first
one and we go from there. But we'll we'll find
out going on down the road. Dom and Penta, I
thought was actually solid it just felt I felt to me,
I thought we were gonna get a title change here, honestly,
because Dom has basically beaten Penta to the like every

(12:45):
single time so far, even with help, you would figure
this is the time Penta's gonna get it, but he
did not get it. So it's I feel like they
just did the interference to kind of keep it to where,
Oh Penta. You know, you guys don't have to worry
about Penta. He's gonna come back. He can still challenge
for the air Continental title down the road. So I
didn't see it as too much of a bad thing.

Speaker 7 (13:06):
The Gunther and.

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Pat now, I thought it was amazing. I enjoyed the
matchup as a whole. To me, I will say it
is probably the weakest like showing from Pat McAfee because
we've seen him do it in War Games and NXT.
We've seen the Adam Cole matchup, we've seen the Austin
Theory matchup, and it's just just by watching it, it's

(13:30):
the weakest performance. But it's a fantastic performance by Pat
because they gave him the hope spots.

Speaker 7 (13:35):
Gunther showed out with him like.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
It was so good to watch Pat like, yes, like
you said before, he's not a wrestler, he's a former
football player. He's a commentator. And the only reason why, yes,
that he did botch a few times, but again, he's
not in the ring every night like everybody else's, so
you can expect that from him. But I thought it
was a great thing that involving Michael Cole and everything else,

(14:00):
and I just I love that. That was probably my
match of the night for the entire thing and scene
and orton. Honestly, I will say ruled. I loved the matchup,
but for me, our Truth ruined it. In my honest opinion,
Truth killed it for me because like it was so exciting.
There's like the anticipation people the crowd was losing it

(14:20):
for the hometown guy and Randy and all the rkos.
I love that sequence of just the RKO and all
this and all the other producers getting it at the
same time.

Speaker 7 (14:29):
Just there was so many during that matchup.

Speaker 5 (14:32):
It's like Truth felt like it killed the entire vibe
of the matchup because it's just like, really, Truth, I
get it.

Speaker 7 (14:38):
He's your childhood hero.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
And we've been hearing all this stuff and it's just
like he's so dedicated to being like you guys saying
Sna sucks and everything else, and he can't wrestle and everything,
and it's like he'll defend him to the like to
hell in high water, and then here he came out
in the middle of the match, and it just felt
like it just grind the mat to a stop, and
I'm like, oh God, truth, why why did you have

(15:03):
to do that? But again, I expected Sena. I expected
Sena to retain in the long run, and just overall
I thought the match was great. I just wish that
one moment wasn't there. But for me, overall, the show
just did not feel like it had anything to it.
It just felt like a show we had to give
you because we had it scheduled, and because they had

(15:26):
did so little to build it, Like literally they built
the only built thing in this entire show to me
was Gunther and Pat Sena and Morton was pretty damn well.
It was pretty good, like like got a good build overall,
but it just basically was promos. There was nothing else
to it. So just for me, I think I gave

(15:46):
it like a middle of the road. I think I
hit like a five out of ten because we usually
greade pay per views out of ten, but I gave
it like a middle of the road because it just
felt so alright but not okay, not good at the same.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Time, I kind of think, I kind of think if
I would have watched the show, maybe I would have
gave it a lower score because just like you said,
you know, it's kind of it's kind of a filler show,
you know, it's kind of something they didn't have much
build for Becky and Lyra didn't have you know, crazy
you know, big build forward because she had just turned
on her and now she got this match from her.
She kind of and it makes me wonder still with Bailey,

(16:21):
you know, they took a spot away from her at
Mania to hand it to Becky. They won the titles,
lost it the next night, and then it goes to
her turning and then she gets a match all of
a sudden with Lyra, And yeah, you know, Lyra isn't
super over. Yes, she has the crowd, you know, going
along with her theme and whatnot, but I don't see
her as a super over wrestler by any means. And

(16:41):
I thought they were going to pull the title off her,
you know, because Becky, you know, being and it doesn't matter.
You know, Becky, she does at times put herself over,
and I thought that this was a perfect time to
put herself over because I think that Women's in her
Continental Championship needs something and it's it's not Lyra. So
I thought, beck you is what exactly what that title needed,

(17:02):
and that really really took me by surprise whenever she lost.
But yeah, I mean yeah, and to agree with you
before I let Farlei Jordan go, I feel like the
only the only built thing from this the show was,
like you said, Gunther and Pat McAfee and and that's
the crazy part about it, that's the only thing that

(17:23):
was well built was this because because Randy and and Sena,
it was all promos and it all ended with Seena
laying in the ring the exact same way every single time.
I mean, they got the pictures all put together of
him laying the exact same way after every r KAO.
It's nuts. But yeah, like I said, maybe if I
watch the show, maybe I would give it a lower score.

(17:44):
But I guess seeing what other people are saying, maybe
it didn't seem and it seemed that bad at the time.
But yeah, and maybe it was worse than what I thought, so,
uh so go ahead, Jordan, I.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Think so Jackie fought too and them they that was, like,
I think, was a good match to start it off.
And with Jeff Cobb, I didn't know who that was
at first two, so no, it was a great match.
So when might get Fat and maybe Jeff Cobb, I
can't wait.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I mean, that's what Bakery was saying. Also, he was like,
give me Cobb and Fat. I'm all for that, give
me that match. I am. I'm here for that neat.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
And then with Beck and Vicaria, I picked Vicia or whin.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, you caught me by surprise picking that one man
when I like, I said, this dude is either either
crazy or he's up to something.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
I remember seeing that with your prediction and I was like,
oh my god, Jordan's going risky here He's saying.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yeah, that caught me. I was surprised.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
Yeah, I was. That was a good match. Dominic and Panta,
it was good. Uh Panta done a be a champion
one take it from them one day going through and
Pat McAfee that was a yeah, Pat McAfee can fight
mm hmm. And then John Cena and Randy Orton. That

(19:11):
was a good match with him, orcane O, everybody. That
was pretty cool to see. I'm gonna go seven and
a half to.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Okay. Yeah, I mean, like I said, it's not a
show that I'll go back and watch. I'll basically just
rely on everyone else's stuff and and see what the
next show brings us.

Speaker 7 (19:35):
I know.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
They also announced that another show is going to Saudi unfortunately,
Night of Champions. Yeah, I'm not I'm not thrilled about
the Saudi Arabia shows, but from what we know, it's
all money, and if they keep throwing money, it's gonna
keep happening, So it doesn't matter what we say, it's
gonna keep happening.

Speaker 7 (19:56):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
So, So, something I wanted to talk about last Monday
BEFO for we unfortunately had to cancel. By the way,
I want to apologize to our audience for canceling last week.
I was under the weather and Jordan and I were
going to do a prediction video right after. I had
a minor injury at work as well on the next day,
so I was pretty much on the shelf for the

(20:18):
entire week, so I figured, you know, we went from
a live stream to a video to a graphics, So
we kind of like really dumbed ourselves down right there.
So I feel like, you know, as long as we
got something out, it really don't matter what it is.
Like I said, it's not Mania, it's not the Rumble,
it's not SummerSlam that like that. It's just backlash. So
if we don't do a video, I don't think it
really matters. But something I wanted to talk about last

(20:40):
Monday was the Friday before we got a slew of releases.
And I'm not going to read the entire list. It's
way too big as some people that I really I
don't matter honestly. You know, people like braun Strom and
core j Dakota, Kai E Dolan, Jakara Jackson, Gallis, Cayden Carter,

(21:05):
Katana Chance, Shatzi, Shana Basler and other names. I mean,
some of these names really caught me by surprise. I
know a lot of the reasons why were like maybe
some with age. I know Dakota, they saying, oh you
can keep you can bring Jeff Cobbs, who's in his forties,
but you release her. She's like thirty something years old. Uh,

(21:25):
she has she has paper knees. I mean there's a
reason why I think you're letting people like this go.
You know, but since I went first under on the
pay per view just now, I'll let you go first
on these releases. I know you probably have given your
thoughts on other things, but not on here, So I
want to I want to hear Scott.

Speaker 7 (21:42):
Yeah, like this was it was.

Speaker 5 (21:45):
It was shocking at the time because we were seeing
this live during SmackDown and you had to basically tell
the chat during the entire time was like, we're not
going to talk about this, we're saving it because we
were going to talk about it basically during the flagship show,
which it was like, here's the thing. We get people

(22:06):
on social media all the time when these things happen.
I used to be one of those people that when
I seen this stuff happening on social media, I would
sit there and I would go, well, why the hell
would you do this? Why would you do this right now?
Especially when you know most of it was a lot
of women. There was a lot of women involved in this,
like NXTAM like Ma and Roster together, and it started

(22:27):
to just come down to you know, you literally just
introduced mid card Championships. NXT has a mid Card Championship.
Why are these women not involved in those scenes right
now when literally, you know, yes, most of them were
two of them were like a tag team and literally
Caden and Katana, Like, why have they never been used

(22:49):
when you literally try to shove these women's tag team
titles in our faces all the time and go, remember
we have these, we have these, Like at this point,
they need to just suck it up and get rid
of them tag team titles because the divisions does not
exist at this point from here on out. You literally
had Becky and Lyra together, you broke them up. Every
time you just throw together a random tag team, it

(23:11):
only lasts for a little bit. Your current champions that
you literally took all the time to take the titles
off of them at WrestleMania to put it back on
them the next night are literally not on television because
one and a half of them is out filming a movie
right now, Like, why tell me that you don't care
about this division without physically telling me you don't care

(23:32):
about this division at this point, right those titles need
to go focus on the singles, women's mid card and
main championships at that point and go from there because
normally look at all through the years, women's tag teams,
like tag team wrestling has not been a thing, like
a main focus. It's just been a thing that occasionally
happens when two feuds are happening, they throw them together

(23:55):
and say, go go face each other and merge your
feuds together.

Speaker 7 (23:59):
At some point. That's about it.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
It's it always feels they're so forced and it's not
necessary when the tag team titles don't really mean anything.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
But like n XT, a lot of these people were
not being used.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
A lot of these people like Sadly Korra and Dakota,
you know, they kind of come off injury prone, and
I understand you look at that and you kind of go, okay,
maybe we kind of you know, we're not gonna really
keep you on the roster if we're gonna be concerned
if the next time you go in there you're gonna
get hurt. You never know, Like, like that's one of

(24:33):
the main reasons why as much as everybody wanted Dakota
to win the Women's Intercontinental Championship when it first got
it introduced, do you really take the chance because how
many times has Dakota gone down with an injury so
many times, Like how bad would it be when you
strap that championship on her and then immediately she gets
hurt and then you got to revamp everything and try

(24:55):
to figure out who you're gonna put it on next,
Like they went with the safe route with Lyra, and
I thought that was a smart idea, But I wish Dakota.
I really liked Dakota, and I don't want to just
say she's just settle into the she's injury prone thing.
I hate saying that every time because I really like her,
but she just keeps coming off injured all the time.

(25:15):
Braun Stroman was a shocker to me, Like the guy
literally came in and he's basically like, look at what
he did when he came back. He put over Bronson Reid,
he put over Jacob Fatu. He was doing amazing work.
And then all of a sudden he was just gone.
And I don't know what the main reason of him.
Like people were saying that it's salary and like what

(25:36):
he was getting paid. There was just some crazy stuff
that it was being said about. Like the thing was,
they were all like most of them. Stroman was really
the shocking.

Speaker 7 (25:45):
One to me.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
Everybody else really was kind of not that surprising because
most of them were not being used, or they had
not been on TV yet, or just you know, we
were hearing the excuse of, oh, they weren't improving very well.

Speaker 7 (26:00):
These guys.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
Most of them were going out there and saying, I've
been busting my ass the entire time. I just haven't
had it been on TV yet, So that pole excuse
can go out the window. I understand people get all
up in their feels when they see these releases and everything,
but again, it's business. It has to happen eventually, because again,
why would you just keep somebody on the roster. Think

(26:23):
about how they feel about this whole entire thing. Yes,
it sucks that they get released, and I know they
probably feel it too, They probably hate the fact that
they get released. But at that point, it's better if
you truly want to go out there and wrestle. You
don't want to just be sitting there to be paid,
that's it. You want to be out in the ring
and doing what you want to do. And that's what's
the best thing about all these people that got released.

(26:45):
As much as they you know, it sucks that they
got released, it's a good thing they got released because
now they can go out there and do what they
want to do. They want to wrestle, They can go
out there and wrestle. They get a chance to revamp
themselves and show everybody and even ww hey, you let
me go. Guess what I'm gonna go out there and
I'm wanna better myself. And then again it's not like

(27:06):
they will not like wwe will not look at them
again at that point, any options possible. If Stroman can
come back after getting released the first time, like it
can happen. He could literally come back a third time.
But again for those people that got released twice, like
Dakota and Braun Stroman, do you really want to come back?
Do you want to come back and get to take

(27:26):
the chance of getting released a third time? Because at
that point, I don't give them that option at that point,
so I go out and I do what I do best,
and that's go wrestle wherever else at that point, but yes,
the releases sucked. It does suck to see that again
with divisions that you just introduced and get depleted and
now you're doing and then you let a lot of

(27:47):
people go before they even got a chance to do anything.
It sucks, but it's business. It has to happen, and
you know, we again, it's not like they can't come back.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
So uh, Jordan, before I'll let you go, since since
broun Stroman was the most shocking to you and being
a second time release, you don't see him, you know,
coming back obviously for a third Uh where do you
see him ending up? You know? Does he go somewhere
with his bad knees? Do you see him maybe you know,
hanging him up? I mean, that's tough.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
Stroman's a difficult one, especially if he has bad knees.
I don't know, like does he just say that's it,
because yes, he could go out there and he can
go get surgeries and everything else and see if his
knees get better, and that they take all this time
that he's been doing, like while he's out, while he's
sitting on the sidelines basically you know, to rest his

(28:36):
knees up, get himself prepared and everything else. But like,
I don't genuinely see a place where Braunze Stroman fits
like I look at anything like even TNA to me
doesn't really feel like Brounze Stroman fits like for me,
all these people that got released. Honestly, I think TNA
should start looking.

Speaker 7 (28:56):
Into all of them. Honestly.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Yeah, like the women's like Casey, like Caden and Katana,
there's your women's there's you have knockouts tag team titles,
there's your place for them.

Speaker 7 (29:06):
These other women here can just TNA.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
Has done an amazing job at building women up that
come in, Like I'll take a prime example, ashby Elegance.
As much as I'm not a big fan of the woman,
TNA's done a fantastic job with her. Hands down, So Dakota,
I think would kill it in TNA. The Knockouts Division
would be fantastic for her. Cora would be a good spot,

(29:29):
would be that would be a great spot for her.
Shana would be a great spot for her. Imagine her
just going there and going through a tear there. It's
TNA is my main like suggestion for these people to
just keep their eyes on and TNA should have their
eyes on them because that would increase their Knockouts division,
it would increase their Men's division, everything, their Knockouts tag division, everything.

(29:53):
I think these people should mainly focus on TNA. Do
not focus on aaw because by the time you focus
on A you'll come in. You'll be there for like
two weeks. You'll be sitting on the sidelines wondering what's next.
At some point you might get floated down to r H.
And I don't think you want to go down to
r H whatsoever. So t and A, my main thing
is just focus on these people.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Yeah what you got.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Yeah, what's a shock to me too? Like Justin said
some of these people wasn't being used, but like bron Stroman,
yeah that was one of the things. And yeah yeah,
like you said, TNA probably can use some of these people,
so yeah, like yeah, aw not because the aw is

(30:41):
ass so so they won't be able to wrestle.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Well, it's good to see you gave us a bit
of a spoiler for our next topic in a second.
But uh, that's all good. But yeah, I mean, yeah,
there are some names that were very very shocking here
on Stroman easily the shocking one front. But as Basley says,
he does have he has fifteen percent paralysis in his legs.
Also does a shit ton of endorsements, so he'll be

(31:10):
fine if he doesn't wrestle anymore, which yeah, he does
have a lot of endorsements, and he also said, Andy,
you know she just got started in TNA and and
and are you doing? I think she won a title
for another indie promotion that she did work for as well.
And he also said, let shanea loose in GCW, which
I would love to see see SHANEA Basler go to

(31:31):
GCW and just do a bunch of work over there.
But yeah, I think ae W should be your last
resort because because you'll go in there, you'll be their
brand new toy for a couple of weeks. You'll you'll
have you'll have crackhead con showboating you for for weeks
at a time, and then you'll be sent down to
Ring of Honor and you'll be fighting I don't know,

(31:52):
fucking Dustin Rhodes or whatever I mean, or you'll be
losing to Athena so she can keep her million days
as Women's Champion. So I mean I kind of feel
like AW should be the last resort for any of
these releases. I mean, looking at the list of releases,
I don't see AEW being a fit for any of these.

(32:14):
I mean, if you look at it, I mean, I'm
if you look at Gallas, I mean guys who were
They wrestled and evolve and then got released. I mean
they got sent to developmental, to the developmental. Same thing
with Nikita Lyons, she got sent there as well. But
the main thing that bothers me about all these releases,

(32:35):
it's not so much that they got released. I mean, yes,
it sucks. I mean, don't get me wrong, it does suck.
You know, you're sitting on the sidelines forever and then
you get released and whatnot. But the main thing that
gets me is the Internet. And it's the people on
the internet because they see people like the Code of Braun,
Shane a Kora or whatever, and they say, oh, it

(32:57):
should have been so and so, like you're praying for
someone else to lose their job. And I think that's
the most shitty of a human being thing that you
can do. It's say, oh, it should have been it
should have been Logan Paul, it should have been Nikita Lions,
it should have been this, it should have been that.
And I think that's ridiculous. But it doesn't surprise me.
But the IWC has always been known to be shitty people.

(33:20):
And the good ones are the ones that never put
anything because they don't feel like getting anything thrown at
them the moment they say something. It's only like they're
scared to say something on the Internet because they know
that the people who support a certain company or think
they're always correct about everything are gonna just just unleash
on them. And I think that that's I think it's ridiculous.
That's why I don't really post much on Twitter about wrestling,

(33:42):
because I know there's diehards out there that'll probably just
come after me every time I say something about anything.
So that's why I kind of about it. But I
mean it sucks. I mean it does suck. You know
that a lot that a lot of these got released.
I mean a Caden and Katana. You know, we're basically
built from the ground up at NXT. They really didn't
get their chance on the main roster, you know. They

(34:02):
were one of those homegrown NXT tag teams that really
never got their big break. And I think TNA is
the prime destination for them to be knockout tag team champions.
I mean, but I mean, someone like the Coda Kaya
I feel like can shine over there if she can
stay healthy. Same with core Jade. Like I said Shanna Basler,

(34:23):
I think GCW or some sort of other indie promotion
I think would be very good for her. Or I
know her that her friend Marina Shaffir is in AW.
They talked about, you know, possibly adding her to the
Death Riders. I don't. I mean, she was so big
an NXT. I feel like they dropped the ball on
her so much on the mainor roster. She never got

(34:45):
her chance there and that sucks. They put her in
tag teams with with Zoe Stark and them and whatnot.
I think that they just really dropped the ball on
Shanna Basler. She did so well on NXT. But I mean, really,
I said, looking at this list, I don't see no
one really going to ADW. I mean, someone will go
to ADW from here, but.

Speaker 7 (35:06):
They think Gallus honestly will.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, I mean looking at it, Gallas is probably the
biggest name I see going there. But it's just they
got to use them properly. I mean, that roster is
so big, and I feel like there's not enough TV
time to really use everybody. So that's what really gets me.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
I don't know, It's it's difficult because honestly, like I said,
they come off as the only team and the only
like people that I can see on this entire release
list going to AAW because Gallas is a fantastic tag team.
They how many times were a lot of people talking

(35:51):
about that Gallas is one of the best tag teams
in the world today. Well, clearly, if they want to
go back over there and prove it there, that's that's
the place for them to go, because like I can't
see them, like maybe they'd fit well in TNA honestly
as well, like I would hope to God they would,
because honestly, I think them in TNA would be a

(36:11):
great thing. If the Good Brothers have all the freaking possibilities,
like when they went over there to TNA.

Speaker 7 (36:17):
Gallas over there would kill it.

Speaker 5 (36:20):
So I hopefully they don't just go, oh, because we
want to go back and try to prove ourselves as
the best tag team and we want to be in
there with the other teams that are up there in
that same exact rank, and then they'll.

Speaker 7 (36:31):
Probably go to AEW for that. But I hope they don't.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
I hope they just completely Like again, I hope this
entire list is something TNA just looks at and picks
all these people up.

Speaker 7 (36:42):
As many people as they could.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, I mean because Bakley also mentioned New Japan, same
thing that that brief piece about fucking dogs barking on crazy.
But that bre Priestly you know, went to you know,
uh formerly you know, formerly Blair Davenport. I mean, she
just went to New Japan to see Gallas. Maybe you know,
dip their toes in New Japan as well. Maybe a
few others from this list maybe you know, go to

(37:07):
New Japan. I know, I know a lot would, maybe
I TNA would, maybe I doing some indie dates. I
know that Matt Cardono was a big advocate for a
lot of these people who got released, saying it's not
the end of the world because because look what he did.
I mean, he got released and he became their like
the indie god basically, you know, doing work here and there,

(37:29):
showed up in aw did work there TNA as well.
So I mean, it's not the end of the road
for all these people that got released, because there will
be someone calling their name. I know, Dakota Kai is
one of the top names they said from this list
that are getting a lot of interest whenever it does
happen for her, so would be pretty cool. I mean
but uh, switching gears. I would like to let Jordan

(37:52):
kick this one off because he gave a comment about AEW,
so I would let Jordan kind of kick off and
that picture like fucking kills me. What the idiot with
that briefcase? And Jordan go ahead with this one?

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Man?

Speaker 2 (38:04):
What is your current status on the state of AW
right now? Like I said, I don't watch, I don't
have much to offer. I will offer something on it,
but go ahead, man.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Yeah, like every week and every week it's like not
a great show Bear, and then with John Maxley in
the briefcase, I don't even get it right this this
hopefully he lose it soon and and and it comes
out the briefcase because it's ridiculous. How AW is going

(38:38):
right now?

Speaker 7 (38:41):
Mhm?

Speaker 2 (38:45):
I mean what you got justin?

Speaker 5 (38:47):
I mean, like I I do really like a W
I'm happy that they that they're still, that they're around.
You know, it's been what five plus years already they've
been here, and you know, I'm again, I love wrestling,
I love pro wrestling, and I'm just happy that there's
more to it. Like AW being around is great, but

(39:08):
you can see that they are on a very, very
very bad.

Speaker 7 (39:12):
Decline right now. I mean that like really bad.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
Like they went from early stages, like the first few
years of this company, they were in the millions of viewers,
millions of viewers every single week.

Speaker 7 (39:28):
Now look where we are now.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
We went from these big like arenas for holding tens
of thousands of people and getting a million viewers to
six hundred thousand to five hundred thousand a week and
then basically these two thousand seaters like places like small venues.
It's it's crazy and you can see because of the

(39:52):
fact that it feels like I've seen people say this
before and I do kind of agree with it, that
AW really fe like it's diverged from the path that
it was on. The path was to be an alternative. Basically,
when you've seen AW, they wanted to be an alternative.
But now they don't feel like they're trying to be
an alternative. They feel like they're trying to be like honestly,

(40:14):
like like they're trying to be an on screen like
a televised indie company. And it's so weird like to
look at because like it again, this whole Death Writers
stuff is some of the worst stuff right now because
it just feels like they genuinely like, for like, one
week will give us something to be like, Oh cool,

(40:35):
that's something to talk about right there, and after that
it's just nothing. It's the same old Death Writers nonsense.
Every single week of they come out. They beat up
their opponents, they stand tall, Death Writers attack somebody else
like It genuinely feels like how many times were all
of us talking about who's gonna come in for the

(40:55):
Death Writers Shane McMahon. It almost felt like since that
that never happened. It almost felt like the story just stopped.
But yet they're still trying to throw it out there
on screen and trying to make you care about it.
And it's not something to care about because no one
knows the genuine purpose of what they're doing. They literally like,

(41:19):
right now, look at the state of that story, right now,
where it's at right now, the Young Bucks helping the
death Riders. The Young Bucks literally just got chased off
television and left AW because of the Death Riders, but
now they're here helping the death Riders. That makes no sense,
genuinely nothing. And that's another issue with AAW as a whole,

(41:39):
because of the fact that when they tell a story
it makes no sense when they tell a story it's
not exciting. It's either that or they're just not telling anything.
They're not doing anything because the main focus now for
AW is just basically become great pro wrestling. They literally
say it all the time. This is where the best wrestle,
this is where the best wrestle. Well, that's basically what
your focus is has become because you just want to

(42:01):
see how many how many people fantastic wrestlers you can
put on TV and fill a show every week.

Speaker 7 (42:06):
And that's not good. You don't have.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
Your You lost all sense of what you're what you
wanted to do with this company, and now it's just
out there. It's just there to exist and now I
look at it and just go You need to refresh.
It needs a refresh big time. Like the death Rider
stuff needs to end because nobody cares. But that's another
issue with AW is they will not move on from

(42:30):
something once they're in it. They don't change. There is
no pivot. That's another problem. That's one of the main
problems with AW that they don't like is the fact
that look how any like when Swerve just recently had
that match with Moxley that was your perfect opportunity to
pivot and move on from the death Rider stuff.

Speaker 7 (42:49):
But they didn't do it.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
They kept it on and then made it even more
nonsensical by adding the Bucks to it. Now it's just
a mess and it doesn't make any sense. Mercedes Monet, Honestly, listen,
I've been a Sasha fan forever. I've been a Sasha
fan basically since day one when she was in NXT
right now and then I was happy when she came
over to AW, I had no issue with it, But

(43:12):
as where she stands now, I'm not a fan. I
don't I don't like what she's doing. I think it's
very bland. Yes, she just dropped the new Japan Strong Championship,
but honestly, like I know, me and Bakeley had this
talk during I think it was the Flagship show on Saturday.
We were talking about this. He's talking about, well, this
is the start of her losinger championships. Honestly, I think

(43:33):
it's just them taking the titles that she doesn't defend.
It's just basically removing those titles, and it doesn't mean
anything that the fact that I don't think that I
still think she's winning the Owen. She's gonna win the
Owen and she's gonna face tony' Storm, and they're gonna
strap both the TBS and the Women's.

Speaker 7 (43:49):
Championship on her.

Speaker 5 (43:51):
Basically, they're just taking the new Japan Strong title off
because she doesn't defend it that often. They're gonna take
the Rev Pro title and whatever the hell that other
championship is she has off of her, and they're gonna
freaking just make her focus on aw and they're gonna
strap every championship on her right there, and that's gonna
be freaking even worse because it's really done nothing for

(44:11):
the women's division. It's not helping the women's division do anything.
So basically, the two main focuses of the company.

Speaker 7 (44:21):
I'm just here so I don't get fined.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
I think, honestly, the two main focuses of the company
right now are really the flaws of the company right
now because it's not benefiting anything.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Yeah. So, like I said, I'm not a casual at
all by any means, but obviously I do see it
on social media. I do follow them on social media,
so I do see a lot of the stuff. Whenever
there is a pay per view, if I have nothing
to watch that night. I do watch it. Do I
buy it? No? Do I watch it illegally? Yes? I'm

(44:57):
not saying my source because I'm not gonna have the
FBI at my door, But uh yeah, I mean there's
a lot of flaws with this company. And and you're
looking at three right now on the screen. I mean
A mox Lay, Tony and Mercedes, you know, Mercedes, and
these these journalists are so called dirt sheets, can say

(45:19):
all they want that she doesn't have creative control. We
know she has creative control. There's a reason why she
didn't go back to WWE. This is a reason why
she didn't go to other promotions like TNA or anywhere else.
She went to AW because Tony Khan offered her a
chance at creative control. And that's why she took a
boatload of money that I'm pretty sure that offered her

(45:41):
as well, But they didn't offer her to creative control,
and she took it to go to AW instead. Now
with the Death Riders with John Moxley, that stupid fucking
briefcase that he carries that has the title in it.
If if WWE did something like that, Let's say Cody
Rhoads is entire Rain kept the title in a briefcase.

(46:02):
They would lose their damn minds on the internet saying,
oh my god, what a joke of a company. You're
holding your most prestigious title and in a briefcase. You know,
it's sort of a double standard. They think it's pretty
cool in aw but if w E did something like that,
they would they would have their pitchforks out, you know,
their firing pitchforks coming at you with oh my god,

(46:24):
it's such a terrible idea. Tony Kahan, you know, he
hires pretty much any new toys, show boasts them for
a couple of weeks and sends them down the ring
of honor or lets them be in catering, don't show
them on TV. So unless your name is you know,
Kenny Omega, John Moxley or will Ospray or Hangman and
page sort of strikling on something like that, you're not
getting shown on TV. Same thing, you know, like like

(46:44):
a Mercedes or a Tony Storm that's like his two
big hottest toys right now. And you know, and you
can say Tony Storm has a great character, you know,
W fumbled her or whatever. I mean, there's a time
where yeah, the character is cool and whatnot, but some
it's overdone. The stuff she says, I have a press conferences.
You know, there's no reason to have that sort of

(47:07):
language every single time you're out of press conference. We
don't need to hear it, you know, shit every single time.
You know, don't need to say to the stuff you do
every single press conference. It's overdone. So many things done
in aw are so overdone. But they feel like if
to get a reaction out of it, it's going to
keep getting done. And the current state of the company,

(47:28):
you know, from what I'm not, like I said, I
will say over again, I'm not a viewer. I'm not
a viewer by any chance. I used to be. When
the company first got started, Cody Rose was there, you know,
seeing them Punk showed up over there. It was really good,
and you know, you were saying, they were filling out
these these arenas, you know, ten twelve thousand people and
it was so electric. The crowd was unbelievable, so much

(47:51):
fun to watch. And now they're now the struggling to
fill up an arena of like two three thousand people.
And you look at one of their biggest shows of
all in happening in Texas at Globe Life. And they
post that thing from that from that ticket a page
on Twitter that shows the seats that are bought, what's

(48:11):
available and whatnot, and all the AEW fans are in
the comments were saying, uh, but oh, they said that
AEW wasn't a draw and couldn't sell tickets. Fuck, you
sold fourteen thousand tickets in a forty thousand capacity stadium.
That's not something to be proud of because they're not
selling the entire stadium because you know, damn well, you
cannot sell the entire stadium. It's going to be tarfed

(48:33):
off like crazy, and and for what unless you go
to a place like you know, go to Wimbley Stadium
or they're selling they're selling good tickets at the O
two in London right now because they don't get it
very often. So of course any wrestling promotion goes over there,
you're going to sell a bunch of tickets. So really
and truly, you know, selling all these tickets at at

(48:53):
Global Life, you're not even selling out half the stadium
and you think you could be proud of it, or
if you're selling out a ton of tists of tickets
at the O two. It's the same damn thing because
because like I said, the people in the UK don't
get this very often, so they're gonna throw their money
at any promotion that goes over there. So really I
don't see that as a big win. Yeah, it's good

(49:14):
for the money, it's good for tickets seals, but really,
isn't that good because anybody else can do that. If
if W went to the two, they're gonna sell that
shit out in seconds because it's the higher promotion, it's
the bigger promotion, and they're gonna sell the most tickets.
So I mean, I see AW as a big mess
right now that needs to be fixed fast. I thought

(49:36):
Shane was gonna go over there whenever days he had
the picture with the young bugs at the airport and whatnot.
I thought that was a big sign that Shane McMahon
was going there. And honestly, you put a McMahon on
AW television, it's gonna draw a rating, it's gonna get
big ratings, and that's gonna get you ratings for weeks
to come. If Shane is gonna constantly appear on AW
television and that seemed like that was just a big

(49:58):
bluff because we haven't seen them. There's no room, there's
no nothing, and I don't think we're ever getting that.
So I thought Swerve. I thought Swerve was gonna win
the title, changed the entire environment of adw Uh to
kind of get us from the death Riders, and it
hasn't happened, and it seems like the death Writers aren't
going nowhere. I don't know if Max is gonna drop

(50:19):
title any point. It's just a it's just a really
shitty situation over there. And you also predicted, you know,
Mercedes win the the Owen Hard Cup, She's gonna win
the title from Tony, gonna carry boat titles and never
lose any of them. And aw has to be stuck
with Mercedes for years to come because she's never gonna
book herself to lose. So it's all a big mess

(50:41):
over there that Tony Kahan has unfortunately started for himself,
and it's not gonna get better at any point. So
as a non casual viewer, I feel like I just
really went in on this promotion because it's a big
mess over there that needs to be fixed or else.
Without Daddy's money, it's gonna go under. Yeah, and that's
the only thing keeping it going is the fact that

(51:03):
Tony Kahan has a rich dad. That's the only thing
helping him. I think, yeah, basically. Yeah. So now we
go from one promotion to another. Closing out is the
big question is TKO ruining the WWE? And I say
this because before TKO took over, you know, the Rock,

(51:25):
TKO and all them that, it was never about sponsors.
It was never about bringing in the big celebrities all
the time, like Travis Scott, you know, being a big name,
bringing in you know, for some otter reason, having him
in the main event of WrestleMania, being involved, or doing
the little things like having like I said, the sponsors

(51:47):
in the ring, or having the prime station in the
corner by the barricades or anything like that. It was never
about that. It was about It was about listening to
the fans. It was about making think it's affordable and
all around having a great time in WWE. Now it's
all about the money. Now, it's all about the celebrities.

(52:08):
Now it's all about what they want. It's all about
what the Rock wants. The Rock was never ever planned
to even show up in the main event of WrestleMania,
which I think is absolutely mind blowing because because if
he wasn't needed at Mania, then why was he needed
for the chamber for John Cena to turn Hill, which

(52:28):
I gotta say, Cena's He'll Run has been awful. It's
so cringe worthy his He'll Run, which makes me think
there's maybe a reason why Vince never turned him hell,
because he knows that Sena couldn't take on a serious
He'll role. So that makes me wonder to y'all, Jordan,
I'll let you go first, is TKO ruining the WWE

(52:51):
with everything they're doing right now in this company?

Speaker 3 (52:54):
And yeah, I think they are. It's like you said,
celebrities and the ticket prices for the and I'm praying
that the tickets are not that high for Mania for us.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
So yeah, Also, we're gonna be setting our asses over
here and watching instead of being over there, which the
last two times they went to New Orleans they were
pretty affordable. TKO was not in control by any means,
so tickets were actually very affordable for Uslemania. Now I
am really worried because seeing the ticket price in Vegas,
I mean, yeah, I get it. It's Vegas. It's a

(53:26):
different market than New Orleans is. But I mean, if
you want to sell out that Superdome, I mean you gotta,
you know, make these things affordable.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Yeah, no, we don't know. Yeah, like you said, we're
gonna be sitting over there watching it, so if uh, yeah,
I think they taking it over.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah. And it also, like bakically said, it makes me.
It makes me kind of have the comparison to the UFC.
It's like they're making it to beat the UFC, and
well the sponsors and and all that. It's something that
I'm not used to, you know. It's something that, yeah,
I talk shit on Investment Man a lot, but it's
something that never would have went down when he was there.

(54:09):
So what you got justin.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
See, I feel like it's kind of a yes and
a no kind of thing. Like if you look at it,
like honestly, having a boatload of sponsors, like that really
isn't a terrible thing. Like I don't really see that
as a awful thing business wise, because look what it's doing.
It's bringing in more money for the company, which is
fine in the long run. Like I don't really have
like again, it is weird it is very strange to

(54:32):
see all these like like sponsorships and like on the
mat and everything, and you'll see like the led boards
that have the sponsorships on there, and it's very bizarre
because we're not.

Speaker 7 (54:41):
Used to that.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
We've been like accustomed to seeing a clean wrestling mat,
h barricades that don't have anything on it, and like
the only time we'll overseee a sponsors that the commentators
talk about it like, oh, this show has been brought
to you by like Skittles or something like that. It's like, okay, fine, understandable,
Like but other than that, we're not used to that.
Will you see it now? And it's basically yes, it

(55:04):
is kind of like the UFC where it's just all
over the place. So it's kind of like, so that
really and it just is not a terrible thing for WWE,
but there is a lot of things that where you
look at it and TKO does feel like it's kind
of affecting it. Ticket prices are getting really really high now.
A lot of people are gonna be like, can we
even afford to go to these shows? Like you just said,

(55:24):
it's gonna be iffy for you guys, Like if they're
gonna be jacked up that high. Will you guys get
to go see WrestleMania or will you be basically almost
joining us for the watch along to do a kind
of situation. But it's it's difficult, like that's a that's
a big negative in its own right. Again, Rock has
not really been a great addition to this whole thing,
because as much as we love that, we've loved the

(55:47):
Rock over the years, we look at the Rock now
and what has he done. It's really affected two of
the biggest stories going on at the time, and it
really didn't benefit anything. Seen as heel Turn as much
as I've for the most part in it does feel off.
It still feels off because it feels, in my honest opinion,
it feels out of place. It feels like it was

(56:08):
done too late. It almost feels like they could have
done this heel turn. If they were going to do it,
it should have been done a different way if seen
it they like, instead of doing it like back then
when they were when there was discussions that you know,
they were gonna turn Seen a heel but Vince turned
it down and wasn't gonna let it happen. Well, clearly
he was never gonna let it happen because that's his
golden boy. John Cena is the face, the face of

(56:28):
the company. Even when he's not there, he's still the
face of the company. He's this heel turn.

Speaker 7 (56:34):
Now.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
As much as I've enjoyed most of it, like the promo,
wise and stuff like that, it's it still feels off
when he's out there going, oh, hey, like you guys
hated me, you guys.

Speaker 7 (56:46):
Didn't like me. This should have been done years ago.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
That's been said that involves that kind of situation should
have been done years ago. It does not make sense
nowadays when Sena comes out like to make big announcements
and he comes back and everybody gets all excited and
they love John Cena and these people that didn't like
him now have grown so much respect for him. And
then here he is coming out here now, just turning
out there and go, you guys don't like me, you

(57:11):
guys never liked me. We're a toxic relationship. It's like,
where'd this come from? It feels so out of place. Again,
has affected basically two huge stories by trying to interject
himself during the Cody stuff, which again I absolutely went
off on when that shit happened. I hated every single
second of that, and it almost felt like, again, why

(57:33):
was he there, same exact situation with this scene of
Hill Turn. Why was he there if he was not
going to be involved, he was not going to commit
to being in the story. Why did you stick yourself
into it if you couldn't find the time to commit
to what you wanted to tell instead of just coming
out there. And as people were saying, oh, it was
just done to jack up, you know, like more sales

(57:54):
for Elimination Chamber. If that was the case, you should
just left it as is. He could have done everything
else and it wouldn't have mattered. Rock Rock's addition to
everything so far has literally been nothing. Yes, it did
it make WrestleMania forty better when he was involved. Yes, Honestly,
I think it already would have been absolutely bonkers to

(58:14):
begin with, because we would have probably got the same
exact you know, bloodline rules, all pure chaos and everything else,
and it would have been fantastic. Anyway, Rock nowadays does
not feel like he's added anything because he just feels
like he ruined stuff. He keeps feeling like he's the problem.
So yeah, and again he's on the board. That's another issue,

(58:34):
Like it's it almost feels like again because he's on
the board, he gets to do whatever he wants. He
can do, he can interject himself whenever he pleases, and
that's a problem because he really doesn't add anything to anything.
So I think TKO as a whole has basically kind

(58:55):
of helped WW in a way. It's you know, it's
gotten the more money people are still you know, it's
still a hot product right now. People are coming in
and they're still wanting to see the shows. But there's
a lot of negatives still right now because you're also
not really drawing a lot of people in because you're
kind of keeping them out because they can't afford to

(59:15):
go to the shows.

Speaker 7 (59:17):
You're really kind of ruining a lot of the storylines
that you're doing by having certain people interject themselves. So
it is kind of like a fifty to fifty.

Speaker 5 (59:25):
It's kind of like a scale right now, and they're
both just even with each other right now.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
So yeah, I'm kind of on the same boat as well.

Speaker 7 (59:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
I feel like it's kind of a yes, kind of
a no type of thing. And obviously it is. It
is generating a lot more money I think for the company,
all these sponsors that are in the ring and whatnot.

Speaker 7 (59:44):
It is.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
It is kind of something that does take your eyes
off the product that's actually happening in the ring. It's
kind of hard to focus on a match whenever the
barricade led board has a bright yellow, slim GYM logo
on it hereing the entire match. But I can understand
why they do it. You know, it's all about the
money nowadays. You know, like I said, it's not so

(01:00:07):
much about what we want. It's not so much about
our enjoyment from the company. Since TKO got there, I
feel like it's been all about the money. And that's
for the ticket prices, that's for the sponsorships, that's for
teaming up with Logan Paul for Prime and whatnot. And
the same thing with the Rock with his interview after WrestleMania.

(01:00:29):
Why he wasn't there, It's because he only showed up
because it was to boost the ticket sales and that's
all they really care about. That shows you right there
that that's all they care about in TKO is bringing
revenue to the WWE and to the TKO brand. So
that makes you wonder, you know, did they really care
what we think? Do they really care that, you know,

(01:00:51):
guys like us come on here and complain about them
twenty four to seven. No, they don't care at all.
They care about what they bring in. They care about
the money they bring in, and that's all it's going
to be, and it doesn't matter. They don't care about
the little kids that are in a that are in
attendance to seeing their first ever wrestling show, seeing the
enjoyment they get you out of it and whatnot. They

(01:01:12):
don't care about the people who have attended fucking twenty
straight WrestleMania's and whatnot. They don't care about that. As
long as they're buying the tickets to go over there,
that's all it matters with TKO. To me, so our
days so already ruining it by any means. Like I said,
I'm at fifty to fifty right now, because I mean,
they're not ruining for themselves, they're ruining it for us.

(01:01:34):
I mean they're ruining for the fans that legit care
about this company. They're ruining it for the ones that
you know, really want to get into this promotion and
want to go to an event, but yeah, these ticket
prizes are crazy, you know, expensive to go to this event,
So oh I can't go and actually experience what it
is to be at a live show because we just

(01:01:55):
went to a SmackDown event. It was like a week
or two before Elimination Chamber and for three tickets kind
of high up was I mean it was up there.
I mean it was pretty up there for for the
prices and that, you know, and that all goes to show,
you know, what t KO is bringing to b it's
just high ticket prices. Uh, not caring what we think

(01:02:16):
about it. It's just all about the money. So for them,
it's not so much of them ruining it. It's as
they're ruining it for us. And that's why we have
to even come on here and talk about something like this,
because if we feel like it's being ruined for us,
and then right there, that speaks all the truth that
we need to say. And it's just unfortunate. I mean,

(01:02:38):
it was unfortunate, you know because with Vince it was
never about the big bright led wars that showed sponsors
here and there, the turnbuckle pads, having every sponsor, or,
it being like a boxing ring having sponsors, you know,
all plastered throughout the ring mat It's it's all about sponsors,

(01:02:58):
you know, And that's a sad Like I said at
the beginning, is that it takes our eyes off of
what's actually going on inside the ring. It takes our
eyes off of the good stuff happening in the ring
because we're so we're so focused on the multiple sponsors
that are in the ring itself, and that's all plastered
on led boards, that's all big and bright for us
to kind of, you know, be distracted by. So I mean,

(01:03:23):
I mean, am I gonna give it a chance? With
all these sponsors and maybe the product it's not almost
the product, it's their display of the product that am
I gonna lose? Hope yet?

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
But am I gonna keep watching? Of course I will.
But that's the thing is that it's got to get better,
you know, you know, the higher upst the rock, they
have to listen to fans like us and actually, you know,
start listening and actually, you know, the thing's gotta start
changing because if not, you know, they're I'm gonna lose

(01:03:54):
viewers if that happens. But that's not what matters, because
if we stop tuning in, then millions are going to
keep tuning in on Netflix and on the USA and
on Peacock for pls. So it's not like us not
tuning in. It's really going to make a difference because
they're still going to generate the revenue that they want
gad sare So are they ruining it for themselves? No,

(01:04:16):
they're ruining for us. Good chance. So, but before we
get out of here, you don't want to add anything
to any of the topics that we presented or already
got here. I got awsing before we close out. There
was a question justin that came in for you.

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
I want to bring I see this, hey guys, question,
what if Brian Pillman from ninety seven was in AW
in his prime, what female would you pair him with?
Which wosed to be Mariah May. Honestly, I wouldn't hate
that Mariah Maypeck. I kind of like that idea because
the way she can just kind of flip or switch
as well. You put her with you know Brian Pillman,
who as soon as he starts flipping his switch, Oh

(01:04:55):
my god, that's a scary combo.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Yeah, speaking of Maria May. Before we got it here,
you think she goes to the She did say it
was her dream to go there, But does Tony Khan
throw and ask a load of money at her? That's
the thing and deserves a load of money, that's the thing.
She deserves it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
Also, it all just depends on if she feels like
if she's like Jade, because when literally Tony Khan did
the same thing with Jade, threw as much money as
at her as possible to keep her, and she even
said no, if that's the case, like, it's all gonna
come down if Tony's money is enough and it'll keep her,

(01:05:36):
or she really is gonna pull like the Stephanie vauc
Care situation and just go it's my dream. I want
to go there, and that's where I'm going.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean I could really see
her ending up there. I mean the same thing with Jaden.
You know, you could throw as much money as you want.
It's her dream, she wants to go there. Honestly, there
has to be a time where you just let it
be and and let her delivered doint instead of trying
to nail her down with a whole bunch of money.

Speaker 7 (01:06:04):
Exactly. No tribalism involved in this whole situation.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Everybody right, right, yeah, but uh but no, that'll do
it for this episode of the Worldly podcast justin I.
You know, we want to thank you for coming back
on the show. It has been far too long, but
we got to make this happen again very soon rather
than being too long again.

Speaker 7 (01:06:26):
Oh please do them.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
But before we let you out of here, man, let
them know where they can find you at social media.
Tell us all about Circle Debate, even though anyone watching
should know about Circle of Debates. But for the people
who don't.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
Know, yes, well again I appreciate you guys. Like I said,
it has been far too long and I always love
coming on your guys show. So again I hope I
get to come back again to everybody that you want
to find me. Social media is at Justin Time two
one one on x at just Underscore in Underscore Time
two one one, on Instagram and Facebook as well. Circle

(01:07:00):
Debate you can find that on basically every social media platform.
YouTube is where you. We would love to see it
come to because we do watch alongs. We do like
a podcast at like kind of show with you know
where it's just basically now topics instead of a full
on recap and everything else, which I love that we
do that now at the flagship show. But again, we

(01:07:22):
want you all to come on the ride with us
over on Circle Debate, whether it's a YouTube especially we're
on the road to one thousand subscribers. We're getting closer
and closer to that mark, and basically that's the place
where you We want you all to be with because
we love you for coming over and showing us the
support and coming along for the ride with us. Because
we want to see as many wrestling fans as possible
over there. We got these guys here, they come over

(01:07:44):
here on the show once in a while, like it's
like again, we got to get you guys back on
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Speaker 7 (01:07:50):
Like basically, Circle Debate, come follow us again.

Speaker 5 (01:07:54):
We'll be going live in just a little while for
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and again appreciate you guys for coming on.

Speaker 7 (01:08:03):
Let me come on here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Absolutely, yeah, we would love to join you guys one day,
whether so to watch along your flagship show. You know,
we would love to come on for sure. Jordy, where
can we find you out?

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Mam you can find me on Twitter. I joined on
the score j two thousand.

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the podcast at World ofly Pod Instagram at World ofly Pod.
You can find all our live streams on Facebook and YouTube.
I was told that Facebook was given some issues by
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