February 15, 2022 • 26 mins
Anonymous phone calls from Wrestling Fans all over the world.
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Wrestling Anonymous. Please hold Welcome toWrestling Anonymous, the hotline podcast for wrestling
fans and fans with interactions or lifeexperiences with wrestling to call in and share
their stories anonymously. I'm your hostand curator, pro wrestler Colt Cabana,
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doing my very best to listen toall of the calls, edit up the
show, and present it to youas a fun little podcast. Speaking of
calls, another classic Cabanah call toarms or phone call to arms if you
will. The calls are running alittle bit short and I want to make
sure this podcast can keep going,and I'm sure you feel the same way.
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So the best way to support theshow would be to send in a
call or have a friends send intheir story. Even if it doesn't make
it out of the podcast, it'llmore than likely be on the bonus shows,
which are available over on my Patreon. It's only five dollars and you
get two extra shows with extra callson the first and the fifteenth of the
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month. If you belong to thattier, you'll also be getting the brand
new episode of Pro Wrestling Fringe addfree and up early. If you're not
on the Patreon, All Pro wrestlingFringe episodes will be dropping this Sunday,
including the brand new one that's thirteenbinge able episodes, all at the same
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time and free of charge. Thiswas a project that I did years ago
behind a paywall, and finally Ihave the rights back and I'm giving them
to you for free. Rate reviewand subscribe on Apple and Spotify. If
you can spread the word via socialmedia, if you can tell your friend
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to call in their story, ifyou can, or if you can call
in your story. Maybe you've beenbugging the dark order at Live aew shows
about where I've been, and theywon't give you a straight hand, but
I'm more than sure old Johnny Hungywould do something weird enough in your presence
that it would warrant a phone call. If you want to make that call,
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there's two very easy ways to sharethat story with the world. Eighty
seven Cabana thirty four is the numberthat's eight seven two two two two sixty
two thirty four, or email avoice memo to eighty seven cabanat thirty four
at gmail dot com. Eighty sevenCabana thirty four is the number. Give
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it a call and leave a messageafter the beat Wrestling Anonymous, Please hold.
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August nineteen ninety six, I'm seventeenyears old. The w WF was
putting on a show at the ExhibitionStadium the CNE in Toronto. It was
a huge house show. We kindof left wrestling, you know for like
the door at the Clown years kindof you know, still touched it,
but weren't like full time, andso we went to the show. We
said, let's just go, Let'sgo to spend the day at the fair
and then we'll just go to theshow at night. And loneehole show was
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great, Shawn Michaels and gold Uswith the main event in the ladder match.
My brother and I, who arealways like just mischievously looking around,
we ended up sneaking backstage. Weended up trying to blend in right outside
of the dressing room locker room andtrying to act like everything's cool and my
brother this is crazy, but mybrother was peeking at the door. We
opened the door a little bit tothe dressing room and Shawn Michaels and gold
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Us were talking to each other.We were like, holy fuck, they're
talking to each other. They justwrestle with each other and someone said close
the door. So we closed thedoor, and then like a few minutes
later, my brother fucking opens thedoor again and fucking Shawn Michaels on my
fucking life super kicks the fucking dooralmost breaks my brother's nose. Any closer
he would have gotten fucking really hit. It was fucked up. Some security
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art goes what are you guys doinghere? And I go, I'm with
my father. They go, who'syour father? And I point to the
undertaker. Okay, I point tothe undertaker. Undertaker goes, I'm not
your father. Security guards make uswait outside, they don't kick us out.
It was like really crazy because weshould have been escorted out of the
area right away. So now we'rejust sitting there and the only person that
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we're standing beside, like on abench, right outside of this locker room
was Aldo Montoya. We were like, is Aldo Montoya, Oh my god?
Like does he speak English? Atthe time, I goes, hey,
man, so where are you from? And he goes Connecticut. I
thought this guy was fucking like Portugal, Like I thought he was like some
fucking thing, just a hilarious night, some some fucking thing. That's what
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you thought. So many f bombsin the story. Also, I wouldn't
get mad if you didn't believe anythingthat happened in the story. But I
know the brothers here that called upthe show, and these two mischievous as
he said, shit starters are legit. They are two wild men. They
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love wrestling, and this is thekind of shenanigans that they have been known
to get into. So many differentscenarios happened, and one phone call Sean
Michael's the Undertaker, PJ. Palacoturned Aldo Montoyo, the Portuguese Man of
War. I relate to this story, and it's why I don't really get
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that upset when people sneak backstage.I remember very well at the Hammerstein Ballroom
for a Ring of Honors show andthere's just these two like teenagers or twenty
year olds hanging out backstage, andI could just obviously tell that they didn't
belong, but they were trying theirbest. Either I approached them with security
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or I had security asked them,and I at the end of the day,
I was just like, well,well done, you tried, but
now you gotta go, because Iappreciated it. And something like this did
happen at the aw show very recently, and a lot of the wrestlers got
really really mad, and they're rightto have that opinion or that take,
but not me. I kind ofthought it was funny and kind of cool.
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I mean, of course, ifI don't know if they have a
gun or a knife or something,it's never gonna be cool. But to
me, I kind of appreciated thehutzpah, the balls on somebody to make
that move backstage and just see howfar you can take it, because what
are you gonna do. You're notgonna get arrested. They're just gonna escort
you out. They didn't even escortthis guy out, they still let him
stay in the back. Pretty wild. I'm all for it, and I
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appreciate the story. The year isnineteen ninety nine in Central Maine and Tony
Atlas has a small promotion that he'srunning at a local fair. Who was
on the card none other than KingKong Bundy. I'm only twelve or thirteen
at the time, but already kindof consider myself a wrestling historian, so
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I'm pretty decited to see both men. After the show, my mother brings
me under the grandstand to see KingKong Bundee where he's signing autographs. Bundy's
nice to me, but had abig interest in my mother. He was
talking to her, tell her andhow pretty she is, everything like that,
and asked her out for some coffee. Meanwhile, my stepdad is standing
in the wings with my grandmother.My grandmother points out to my stepdad that
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Bundy is hitting on my mom.Well, my dad, my stepdad is
a hothead in life, always yellingat people for nothing, you know,
road rage, all that kind ofstuff, quick to anger, I guess
you would say. While my grandmotherpointed out that Bundy was hitting on my
mom and my stepdad said he cando whatever he wants. Well, they
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got divorced later on, so Iguess I missed the opportunity for King Kong
Bundy to be my stepdad. Wow, in the flesh, you saw a
wrestler not only hit on your mom, but ask your mom out on a
date for coffee. I love thiskind of information. This is what this
show is all about. We getto know that King Kong Bundy was a
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gentleman. Chris, if you will, I can call him that. I
wrestled him in my fourth match.Ever, he was just looking for Love
at the local wrestling show under thebleachers, and it was your mother.
What could have been? You didsay that your stepdad at the time was
a bit of a hothead, butyou also said that he said that King
Kong Bundy could do whatever he wanted. I was thinking that he was going
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to get into a confrontation, butthen I do realize that King Kong Bundy
is six foot whatever, maybe fourhundred whatever, and probably a good idea
not to get involved. I'm sorrythat your mom never ended up going out
with King Do you think she wouldbe into King Kong Bundy? Maybe you
need to call back or just tweetme and let me know if she was,
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Like he was so hot, ButI'm married to Frank who's always yelling
at me and has a road rage. What could have been King Kong Bundy,
your stepfather and the perfect phone callfor this podcast? Two thousand and
four, I had a buddy whodied. He was a big wrestling fan,
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big guy. He just passed awayhealth problems, and he lived in
Bakersfield. He would go to allthese shows. One day he went to
a show and met Jake the Snake. I'm not really sure what was said,
But he called me and said,hey, man, I have Jake.
Jake's phone number. He wants youto call him. He's starting a
wrestling school. And I said,to you, Kenny, So I called
this number that my buddy gave me, and sure enough, Jake Robert Stands
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for the phone. We sped upon the phone for about about one hour.
He was starting to school. Hesaid that it was going to be
in Florida, that I could livewith him, and there was eight thousand
dollars. I called him number,not really being serious about wanting to go
to Jake's school. I just wantedto talk to Jake rob Jake told me
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two things. Well, I askedhim, I said, can you still
drop that DDT like he kid backin the day, And he said,
you goddamn right, I can.And the second thing he said to me
was he was clean and that hewanted to teach people how to do pro
wrestlers. Again, I didn't reallytake that call seriously. I wasn't really
trying to be a professional wrestler.I just wanted to talk to one of
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my you know, childhood he is. You just wanted to use that time
to get a personal shoot interview withJake the Snake Roberts and Jake. That's
why this call is so intriguing tome. He's giving out his number,
he's looking for some kind of business. He's obviously just sober, or he's
putting out a thing that he's sober, and he's trying to get money,
trying to get money so bad thathe's willing to invite some rando into his
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house as long as they can payhim eight thousand dollars. That's eight thousand
dollars a rent, and then he'dhave to be around this caller for like
what the next six months. Thatmindset is so wild to me, I
can ever wrap my head around it. But it also gives you the idea
that if you really want to likeget clothes with a wrestler, you could
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just go to their wrestling school,especially if they're just starting it, because
that wrestling school is not going tohave like hundreds of wrestling students. It's
just going to be that person tryingto figure out how they can make money
by teaching the thing that they're greatat. But some of those old school
wrestlers, they aren't the best marketers. They're great wrestlers. Probably great trainers,
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but they don't know how to getthe word out on how to get
people to their school. So it'sjust going to be you and that person,
case and point. You and Jakethe Snake Roberts, which I guess
you didn't really which I guess youreally didn't even need to do that because
you just knew to call him upand he would talk to you anyways,
and he did. I don't thinkI would have the balls to do that
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as a child or a teenager,but some people do, and you were
one of those people. Wrestling anonymous, please hold for sponsors. Back in
two thousand and eight, my buddyand I were in the theater program up
and Read Your College up here inAlberta. Him and I, as well
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as another girl, were grouped togetherfor an assignment. The assignment was to
present a scene from The Winter's Taleby William Shakespeare, but in an abstract
way, sort of outside the boxstyle. My buddy and I are huge
wrestling fans, so it took usno time at all to decide that yes,
this was going to be presented insome sort of fro wrestling fashion.
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In a story there are two kings, Leontes and his friend Polixynes, who
is visiting him from another country.Polixenes has been there for a while but
wants to go home. Leontes wantshim to stay. Leonti's wife, Hermione,
is sent to try and convince himto stay as well, and she's
later accused of cheating on her husband. So always set the scene up as
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a wrestling match. Myself as Leontieschallenges Polixynes to a match. If I
win, he has to stay herany The wife is our referee for the
match. Keep in mind that shemight have feelings for polex knees as in
the story. So in the classroomwe set up Jim Matts on the floor
and boxes at the corner to representthe turnbuckles. My buddy has a replica
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of the World Heavyweight Championship and Ihave a replica of the old school WWF
Intercontinental Championship. We use these tosymbolize our crowns and our kingliness. We
stand outside the classroom. We haveanother guy inside the room who has a
small stereo with an iPod ready togo queued up. My buddy enters to
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Chris Cherick goes king of my worldteam that he used for a brief time.
I enter to Triple H's King ofKings. The rest of the people
in the class cheer and jurist aswe enter to add to the atmosphere.
So the match starts. I gethit with a souplex, I give him
a figure four leg lock. Hehits me with a swanton bomb off one
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of the boxes. A bunch ofother moves that we do to each other,
all while the girl played Hermione asthe ref is darting around as giving
near fall two counts. So,remembering the story, Hermione wants Polexny's played
by my buddy to stay. Sothe end of the match comes when she
takes one of the belts waffles himin the head. I cover and she
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makes a crooked fast three count andscene. Well, this is a great
example for all of you out thereof calls that weren't necessarily involved with a
wrestler, but have to do withwrestling. It makes me proud that there
are smarter people than me listening tothis podcast. This person included, maybe
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not smarter, but better red thanme, that's for sure. I'll say
smarter. I feel you were speakingon a different level. I mean,
I understood that you were doing aplay about wrestling. Some of the details
I got a little lost in thatstuff isn't necessarily my bag. I believe
it was Shakespeare. I can't tellyou how much I hated Shakespeare in high
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school, but some people loved it, yourself included. I'm assuming and I'm
not looking to exclude those people.I'm just saying my own personal values.
But what I did love was theidea that you took wrestling and saw an
avenue for you to perform it,for you to talk about it, for
you to share it with the world, And this is exactly what you did.
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And for this I will leave youwith my favorite Shakespeare play, Macbeth,
Phoenix, the Feud between Coody Rhodesand MJF, The Ten Latches,
The Day of the Lashings Come onDynamite. And here's the thing to know
about me. I survived an abusivechildhood. Both of my parents had their
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favorite techniques. My dad's was thebelt. He would line us up on
the wall with our hands hot heldhigh against the wall, and he would
lash us like animals when he feltwe needed it. So when that belt
came off of NJF, I suddenlypanicked. I was not ready to process
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that trauma and relive some of thesome of those beatings that I suffered through
as a child, but I stuckwith it. I watched the segment and
those were the oney most excruciating minutesI've ever watched and pro wrestling, and
the next day is really when Ihad a chance to process it and think
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back on it, because that's whenCody had put out on social media the
photos of his back, and atthat moment, I felt seen my suffering
was validated through this segment because theyall got to see how bad a lashing
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really is. That experience as achild scarred me for life, not just
all my body but in my mind, and I'm still dealing with the PTSD
of it many many years later.All growing up. Any adult I would
reach out to, Oh, it'sprobably not that bad. You're probably making
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it worse in your mind than itreally is. And pro wrestling helped me
accept what happened to me and helpedme process it. Yeah. I really
like this call because I think aboutthis a lot. There's a lot of
stuff in wrestling when it comes tostorylines in particular, that I know can
be triggering, and I say tomyself a lot of times like, well,
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we shouldn't do this or this orthis because of like a small percentage
that it triggers, and a lotof people will play the opposite side of
that and be like, you know, fuck them. That's a reality.
But as I get older, Idon't want to not include everybody. But
hearing this call really put it intomy head that it's a storyline and they're
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playing a story out on screen orin the ring or at the show,
and I kind of do think likeif as a booker, as long as
you make it happy at the end, it's like a movie right in front
of you. I hope that madesense. So as a wrestling performer,
I don't feel as bad because Iknow people can work through it while watching
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it and it can help. Iknow there's a lot of stuff that's off
limits, but I know there's somestuff that you just don't know, and
you do and afterwards you hear thatit's triggered someone and then you feel bad
for it. But I don't know. This gave me hope that fans can
work through it, and we canhelp them work through it through the wrestling.
It gave me kind of a differentperspective and I appreciate you for it.
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Wrestling Anonymous, please hold for sponsors. About five years ago, In
a Sea comes to midtown of Making, Georgia. So we're live and direct
at the Making City Auditorium, whichis located downtown, and there's no fancy
smashy parking or anything, so insteadof parking their buses and some like cupboard
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or disclosed area is parking on theside of the street. So me and
some friends go and we walk in, we have a good time. Afterwards,
we send out by the bus buseswhere these like they have these sanchins
walking the buses. So we wereon one side waiting for everybody to walk
out. So everybody walks out andit was like, you know, various
people like Chris Harrows or Johnny Garganoeven saw a big Albert walk out.
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Well not too long after that,pulling up the rear, if you will,
Shawn Michaels and he just comes walkingout of the building, actually waddling
out of the building, and hewalks up when he starts talking to everybody,
walks up to me and I goto give him a too sweet and
instead of giving me a too sweetbat he shakes my too sweet like he
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grabs my fingers and shakes new Sohe gave me a two shake, if
you will. I mean, thatwas a long story to get to the
part that really made me laugh,which was the visual. And you could
do it while listening to right nowto yourself. Actually, your left hand
could do the too sweet and thenyour right hand can kind of just like
honk the three fingers that are touchingeach other and then shake it up and
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down, just like Sean Michaels did. I mean, there's not much to
dissect within the story. I've gottena lot of like I was outside of
full sale stories, and those allmake for great stories because those things have
been happening for a long time.But there's nothing better. Well, I
won't say nothing better, but Ireally appreciated just a handshake gone wrong.
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And obviously it's even better because it'swith a legend like Sean Michaels, who
also was known to do the toosweet? Did he not know how to
do it? Odd Sean, maybehe's since retired it and he was letting
you know, I don't too sweetanymore. I shake, I too shake
to shake. It sounds like arapper all to Uncle's all story wrestlings out
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of Vancouver. He used to runshows every Saturday at Cloverdale John Tinta when
he was just starting out. I'msort of broken in there. You saw
him on TV and he came backperiodically. I decided to go see the
arena over the car on the sideof the road. Normally I drive by,
but for some reason I caught theplate and it was out of town
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plates. I pulled over, backedup and got out of the car,
locked over, and said, yougot a problem here, Doris, Yeah,
glad tire. And I looked andit was John Tanta acknowledged who he
was, and I said, you'regoing up. Just you see the arena,
the Cloverdale Clear Grounds and he saidyeah, and I don't have a
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spare. It was like, okay, we got to get you there.
So we'll get you there and youcan phone somebody to come and fix the
tire and maybe drive the car order. So we did and they had a
pretty good crowd, and because Johnwas there with a special attraction during intermission,
they had people come up into thering to have picture taken with him.
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A prolator and it was five dollars, so a lot of people did
that. And near the end,John sort of signaled for me to come
in. Oh not at first,Then he told me to come in,
so I did, and as Wyetook a picture, and just as I
was about ready to leave, sheput her hand out five dollars pisa.
So I paid five dollars and gotthe picture and went back to my seats.
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And if you don't know, rightoff the bat, John Tenta was
earthquake from the WWF and Wrestling.Grandpa has been sending in stories for probably
half a year now and keeps onconsistently ending in stories. I'm gonna say
this is one of the top stories. And he didn't even send it like
this wasn't his first story sending.This was like one of his later ones.
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So good picks up John Denda,the earthquake on the side of the
road, saves his frigging life,gets him to the show, and the
earthquake was so carny that he carnyed. The guy who picked him up on
the side of the road and madesure he had a flat fixed, got
him to the show, still chargedhim the five dollars and it wasn't like
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wrestling. Grandpa was desperate for apicture he called in the wrestling Grandpa still
charged the five bucks. I appreciatethe carniness wrestling Grandpa obviously appreciate the carniness,
but it happened so good. Iknow earthquakes kids have been roaming around
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the internet. I think years agothey did a post on Reddit or something
about how they lurk in the wrestlingcircle. So maybe this call can get
to them somehow and hopefully they appreciateit. I appreciate it. Do you
hear such great stories about earthquake?I never took them for a classic Carnie
wrestler, but we all are,and that makes me appreciate him that much
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more. Wrestling Anonymous please hold forthe credits. Thank you for listening to
this week's episode of Wrestling Anonymous.This show is usually edited and produced by
myself in my studio apartment in Chicago, Illinois, but today, for the
very last time, it was frommy eighteenth floor of my Australian hotel on
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Cover art by Donna six one nineon Instagram voiceover work by at Sarah
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Wrestling Anonymous. Please hold Welcome toWrestling Anonymous, the hotline podcast for wrestling
fans and fans with interactions or lifeexperiences with wrestling to call in and share
their stories anonymously. I'm your hostand curator, pro wrestler Colt Cabana,
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doing my very best to listen toall of the calls, edit up the
show, and present it to youas a fun little podcast. Speaking of
calls, another classic Cabanah call toarms or phone call to arms if you
will. The calls are running alittle bit short and I want to make
sure this podcast can keep going,and I'm sure you feel the same way.
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So the best way to support theshow would be to send in a
call or have a friends send intheir story. Even if it doesn't make
it out of the podcast, it'llmore than likely be on the bonus shows,
which are available over on my Patreon. It's only five dollars and you
get two extra shows with extra callson the first and the fifteenth of the
(01:06):
month. If you belong to thattier, you'll also be getting the brand
new episode of Pro Wrestling Fringe addfree and up early. If you're not
on the Patreon, All Pro wrestlingFringe episodes will be dropping this Sunday,
including the brand new one that's thirteenbinge able episodes, all at the same
(01:26):
time and free of charge. Thiswas a project that I did years ago
behind a paywall, and finally Ihave the rights back and I'm giving them
to you for free. Rate reviewand subscribe on Apple and Spotify. If
you can spread the word via socialmedia, if you can tell your friend
(01:46):
to call in their story, ifyou can, or if you can call
in your story. Maybe you've beenbugging the dark order at Live aew shows
about where I've been, and theywon't give you a straight hand, but
I'm more than sure old Johnny Hungywould do something weird enough in your presence
that it would warrant a phone call. If you want to make that call,
(02:07):
there's two very easy ways to sharethat story with the world. Eighty
seven Cabana thirty four is the numberthat's eight seven two two two two sixty
two thirty four, or email avoice memo to eighty seven cabanat thirty four
at gmail dot com. Eighty sevenCabana thirty four is the number. Give
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it a call and leave a messageafter the beat Wrestling Anonymous, Please hold.
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August nineteen ninety six, I'm seventeenyears old. The w WF was
putting on a show at the ExhibitionStadium the CNE in Toronto. It was
a huge house show. We kindof left wrestling, you know for like
the door at the Clown years kindof you know, still touched it,
but weren't like full time, andso we went to the show. We
said, let's just go, Let'sgo to spend the day at the fair
and then we'll just go to theshow at night. And loneehole show was
(03:14):
great, Shawn Michaels and gold Uswith the main event in the ladder match.
My brother and I, who arealways like just mischievously looking around,
we ended up sneaking backstage. Weended up trying to blend in right outside
of the dressing room locker room andtrying to act like everything's cool and my
brother this is crazy, but mybrother was peeking at the door. We
opened the door a little bit tothe dressing room and Shawn Michaels and gold
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Us were talking to each other.We were like, holy fuck, they're
talking to each other. They justwrestle with each other and someone said close
the door. So we closed thedoor, and then like a few minutes
later, my brother fucking opens thedoor again and fucking Shawn Michaels on my
fucking life super kicks the fucking dooralmost breaks my brother's nose. Any closer
he would have gotten fucking really hit. It was fucked up. Some security
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art goes what are you guys doinghere? And I go, I'm with
my father. They go, who'syour father? And I point to the
undertaker. Okay, I point tothe undertaker. Undertaker goes, I'm not
your father. Security guards make uswait outside, they don't kick us out.
It was like really crazy because weshould have been escorted out of the
area right away. So now we'rejust sitting there and the only person that
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we're standing beside, like on abench, right outside of this locker room
was Aldo Montoya. We were like, is Aldo Montoya, Oh my god?
Like does he speak English? Atthe time, I goes, hey,
man, so where are you from? And he goes Connecticut. I
thought this guy was fucking like Portugal, Like I thought he was like some
fucking thing, just a hilarious night, some some fucking thing. That's what
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you thought. So many f bombsin the story. Also, I wouldn't
get mad if you didn't believe anythingthat happened in the story. But I
know the brothers here that called upthe show, and these two mischievous as
he said, shit starters are legit. They are two wild men. They
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love wrestling, and this is thekind of shenanigans that they have been known
to get into. So many differentscenarios happened, and one phone call Sean
Michael's the Undertaker, PJ. Palacoturned Aldo Montoyo, the Portuguese Man of
War. I relate to this story, and it's why I don't really get
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that upset when people sneak backstage.I remember very well at the Hammerstein Ballroom
for a Ring of Honors show andthere's just these two like teenagers or twenty
year olds hanging out backstage, andI could just obviously tell that they didn't
belong, but they were trying theirbest. Either I approached them with security
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or I had security asked them,and I at the end of the day,
I was just like, well,well done, you tried, but
now you gotta go, because Iappreciated it. And something like this did
happen at the aw show very recently, and a lot of the wrestlers got
really really mad, and they're rightto have that opinion or that take,
but not me. I kind ofthought it was funny and kind of cool.
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I mean, of course, ifI don't know if they have a
gun or a knife or something,it's never gonna be cool. But to
me, I kind of appreciated thehutzpah, the balls on somebody to make
that move backstage and just see howfar you can take it, because what
are you gonna do. You're notgonna get arrested. They're just gonna escort
you out. They didn't even escortthis guy out, they still let him
stay in the back. Pretty wild. I'm all for it, and I
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appreciate the story. The year isnineteen ninety nine in Central Maine and Tony
Atlas has a small promotion that he'srunning at a local fair. Who was
on the card none other than KingKong Bundy. I'm only twelve or thirteen
at the time, but already kindof consider myself a wrestling historian, so
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I'm pretty decited to see both men. After the show, my mother brings
me under the grandstand to see KingKong Bundee where he's signing autographs. Bundy's
nice to me, but had abig interest in my mother. He was
talking to her, tell her andhow pretty she is, everything like that,
and asked her out for some coffee. Meanwhile, my stepdad is standing
in the wings with my grandmother.My grandmother points out to my stepdad that
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Bundy is hitting on my mom.Well, my dad, my stepdad is
a hothead in life, always yellingat people for nothing, you know,
road rage, all that kind ofstuff, quick to anger, I guess
you would say. While my grandmotherpointed out that Bundy was hitting on my
mom and my stepdad said he cando whatever he wants. Well, they
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got divorced later on, so Iguess I missed the opportunity for King Kong
Bundy to be my stepdad. Wow, in the flesh, you saw a
wrestler not only hit on your mom, but ask your mom out on a
date for coffee. I love thiskind of information. This is what this
show is all about. We getto know that King Kong Bundy was a
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gentleman. Chris, if you will, I can call him that. I
wrestled him in my fourth match.Ever, he was just looking for Love
at the local wrestling show under thebleachers, and it was your mother.
What could have been? You didsay that your stepdad at the time was
a bit of a hothead, butyou also said that he said that King
Kong Bundy could do whatever he wanted. I was thinking that he was going
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to get into a confrontation, butthen I do realize that King Kong Bundy
is six foot whatever, maybe fourhundred whatever, and probably a good idea
not to get involved. I'm sorrythat your mom never ended up going out
with King Do you think she wouldbe into King Kong Bundy? Maybe you
need to call back or just tweetme and let me know if she was,
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Like he was so hot, ButI'm married to Frank who's always yelling
at me and has a road rage. What could have been King Kong Bundy,
your stepfather and the perfect phone callfor this podcast? Two thousand and
four, I had a buddy whodied. He was a big wrestling fan,
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big guy. He just passed awayhealth problems, and he lived in
Bakersfield. He would go to allthese shows. One day he went to
a show and met Jake the Snake. I'm not really sure what was said,
But he called me and said,hey, man, I have Jake.
Jake's phone number. He wants youto call him. He's starting a
wrestling school. And I said,to you, Kenny, So I called
this number that my buddy gave me, and sure enough, Jake Robert Stands
(09:41):
for the phone. We sped upon the phone for about about one hour.
He was starting to school. Hesaid that it was going to be
in Florida, that I could livewith him, and there was eight thousand
dollars. I called him number,not really being serious about wanting to go
to Jake's school. I just wantedto talk to Jake rob Jake told me
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two things. Well, I askedhim, I said, can you still
drop that DDT like he kid backin the day, And he said,
you goddamn right, I can.And the second thing he said to me
was he was clean and that hewanted to teach people how to do pro
wrestlers. Again, I didn't reallytake that call seriously. I wasn't really
trying to be a professional wrestler.I just wanted to talk to one of
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my you know, childhood he is. You just wanted to use that time
to get a personal shoot interview withJake the Snake Roberts and Jake. That's
why this call is so intriguing tome. He's giving out his number,
he's looking for some kind of business. He's obviously just sober, or he's
putting out a thing that he's sober, and he's trying to get money,
trying to get money so bad thathe's willing to invite some rando into his
(10:46):
house as long as they can payhim eight thousand dollars. That's eight thousand
dollars a rent, and then he'dhave to be around this caller for like
what the next six months. Thatmindset is so wild to me, I
can ever wrap my head around it. But it also gives you the idea
that if you really want to likeget clothes with a wrestler, you could
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just go to their wrestling school,especially if they're just starting it, because
that wrestling school is not going tohave like hundreds of wrestling students. It's
just going to be that person tryingto figure out how they can make money
by teaching the thing that they're greatat. But some of those old school
wrestlers, they aren't the best marketers. They're great wrestlers. Probably great trainers,
(11:28):
but they don't know how to getthe word out on how to get
people to their school. So it'sjust going to be you and that person,
case and point. You and Jakethe Snake Roberts, which I guess
you didn't really which I guess youreally didn't even need to do that because
you just knew to call him upand he would talk to you anyways,
and he did. I don't thinkI would have the balls to do that
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as a child or a teenager,but some people do, and you were
one of those people. Wrestling anonymous, please hold for sponsors. Back in
two thousand and eight, my buddyand I were in the theater program up
and Read Your College up here inAlberta. Him and I, as well
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as another girl, were grouped togetherfor an assignment. The assignment was to
present a scene from The Winter's Taleby William Shakespeare, but in an abstract
way, sort of outside the boxstyle. My buddy and I are huge
wrestling fans, so it took usno time at all to decide that yes,
this was going to be presented insome sort of fro wrestling fashion.
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In a story there are two kings, Leontes and his friend Polixynes, who
is visiting him from another country.Polixenes has been there for a while but
wants to go home. Leontes wantshim to stay. Leonti's wife, Hermione,
is sent to try and convince himto stay as well, and she's
later accused of cheating on her husband. So always set the scene up as
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a wrestling match. Myself as Leontieschallenges Polixynes to a match. If I
win, he has to stay herany The wife is our referee for the
match. Keep in mind that shemight have feelings for polex knees as in
the story. So in the classroomwe set up Jim Matts on the floor
and boxes at the corner to representthe turnbuckles. My buddy has a replica
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of the World Heavyweight Championship and Ihave a replica of the old school WWF
Intercontinental Championship. We use these tosymbolize our crowns and our kingliness. We
stand outside the classroom. We haveanother guy inside the room who has a
small stereo with an iPod ready togo queued up. My buddy enters to
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Chris Cherick goes king of my worldteam that he used for a brief time.
I enter to Triple H's King ofKings. The rest of the people
in the class cheer and jurist aswe enter to add to the atmosphere.
So the match starts. I gethit with a souplex, I give him
a figure four leg lock. Hehits me with a swanton bomb off one
(13:56):
of the boxes. A bunch ofother moves that we do to each other,
all while the girl played Hermione asthe ref is darting around as giving
near fall two counts. So,remembering the story, Hermione wants Polexny's played
by my buddy to stay. Sothe end of the match comes when she
takes one of the belts waffles himin the head. I cover and she
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makes a crooked fast three count andscene. Well, this is a great
example for all of you out thereof calls that weren't necessarily involved with a
wrestler, but have to do withwrestling. It makes me proud that there
are smarter people than me listening tothis podcast. This person included, maybe
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not smarter, but better red thanme, that's for sure. I'll say
smarter. I feel you were speakingon a different level. I mean,
I understood that you were doing aplay about wrestling. Some of the details
I got a little lost in thatstuff isn't necessarily my bag. I believe
it was Shakespeare. I can't tellyou how much I hated Shakespeare in high
(15:01):
school, but some people loved it, yourself included. I'm assuming and I'm
not looking to exclude those people.I'm just saying my own personal values.
But what I did love was theidea that you took wrestling and saw an
avenue for you to perform it,for you to talk about it, for
you to share it with the world, And this is exactly what you did.
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And for this I will leave youwith my favorite Shakespeare play, Macbeth,
Phoenix, the Feud between Coody Rhodesand MJF, The Ten Latches,
The Day of the Lashings Come onDynamite. And here's the thing to know
about me. I survived an abusivechildhood. Both of my parents had their
(15:50):
favorite techniques. My dad's was thebelt. He would line us up on
the wall with our hands hot heldhigh against the wall, and he would
lash us like animals when he feltwe needed it. So when that belt
came off of NJF, I suddenlypanicked. I was not ready to process
(16:12):
that trauma and relive some of thesome of those beatings that I suffered through
as a child, but I stuckwith it. I watched the segment and
those were the oney most excruciating minutesI've ever watched and pro wrestling, and
the next day is really when Ihad a chance to process it and think
(16:36):
back on it, because that's whenCody had put out on social media the
photos of his back, and atthat moment, I felt seen my suffering
was validated through this segment because theyall got to see how bad a lashing
(16:57):
really is. That experience as achild scarred me for life, not just
all my body but in my mind, and I'm still dealing with the PTSD
of it many many years later.All growing up. Any adult I would
reach out to, Oh, it'sprobably not that bad. You're probably making
(17:17):
it worse in your mind than itreally is. And pro wrestling helped me
accept what happened to me and helpedme process it. Yeah. I really
like this call because I think aboutthis a lot. There's a lot of
stuff in wrestling when it comes tostorylines in particular, that I know can
be triggering, and I say tomyself a lot of times like, well,
(17:41):
we shouldn't do this or this orthis because of like a small percentage
that it triggers, and a lotof people will play the opposite side of
that and be like, you know, fuck them. That's a reality.
But as I get older, Idon't want to not include everybody. But
hearing this call really put it intomy head that it's a storyline and they're
(18:06):
playing a story out on screen orin the ring or at the show,
and I kind of do think likeif as a booker, as long as
you make it happy at the end, it's like a movie right in front
of you. I hope that madesense. So as a wrestling performer,
I don't feel as bad because Iknow people can work through it while watching
(18:29):
it and it can help. Iknow there's a lot of stuff that's off
limits, but I know there's somestuff that you just don't know, and
you do and afterwards you hear thatit's triggered someone and then you feel bad
for it. But I don't know. This gave me hope that fans can
work through it, and we canhelp them work through it through the wrestling.
It gave me kind of a differentperspective and I appreciate you for it.
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Wrestling Anonymous, please hold for sponsors. About five years ago, In
a Sea comes to midtown of Making, Georgia. So we're live and direct
at the Making City Auditorium, whichis located downtown, and there's no fancy
smashy parking or anything, so insteadof parking their buses and some like cupboard
(19:15):
or disclosed area is parking on theside of the street. So me and
some friends go and we walk in, we have a good time. Afterwards,
we send out by the bus buseswhere these like they have these sanchins
walking the buses. So we wereon one side waiting for everybody to walk
out. So everybody walks out andit was like, you know, various
people like Chris Harrows or Johnny Garganoeven saw a big Albert walk out.
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Well not too long after that,pulling up the rear, if you will,
Shawn Michaels and he just comes walkingout of the building, actually waddling
out of the building, and hewalks up when he starts talking to everybody,
walks up to me and I goto give him a too sweet and
instead of giving me a too sweetbat he shakes my too sweet like he
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grabs my fingers and shakes new Sohe gave me a two shake, if
you will. I mean, thatwas a long story to get to the
part that really made me laugh,which was the visual. And you could
do it while listening to right nowto yourself. Actually, your left hand
could do the too sweet and thenyour right hand can kind of just like
honk the three fingers that are touchingeach other and then shake it up and
(20:26):
down, just like Sean Michaels did. I mean, there's not much to
dissect within the story. I've gottena lot of like I was outside of
full sale stories, and those allmake for great stories because those things have
been happening for a long time.But there's nothing better. Well, I
won't say nothing better, but Ireally appreciated just a handshake gone wrong.
(20:49):
And obviously it's even better because it'swith a legend like Sean Michaels, who
also was known to do the toosweet? Did he not know how to
do it? Odd Sean, maybehe's since retired it and he was letting
you know, I don't too sweetanymore. I shake, I too shake
to shake. It sounds like arapper all to Uncle's all story wrestlings out
(21:15):
of Vancouver. He used to runshows every Saturday at Cloverdale John Tinta when
he was just starting out. I'msort of broken in there. You saw
him on TV and he came backperiodically. I decided to go see the
arena over the car on the sideof the road. Normally I drive by,
but for some reason I caught theplate and it was out of town
(21:40):
plates. I pulled over, backedup and got out of the car,
locked over, and said, yougot a problem here, Doris, Yeah,
glad tire. And I looked andit was John Tanta acknowledged who he
was, and I said, you'regoing up. Just you see the arena,
the Cloverdale Clear Grounds and he saidyeah, and I don't have a
(22:00):
spare. It was like, okay, we got to get you there.
So we'll get you there and youcan phone somebody to come and fix the
tire and maybe drive the car order. So we did and they had a
pretty good crowd, and because Johnwas there with a special attraction during intermission,
they had people come up into thering to have picture taken with him.
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A prolator and it was five dollars, so a lot of people did
that. And near the end,John sort of signaled for me to come
in. Oh not at first,Then he told me to come in,
so I did, and as Wyetook a picture, and just as I
was about ready to leave, sheput her hand out five dollars pisa.
So I paid five dollars and gotthe picture and went back to my seats.
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And if you don't know, rightoff the bat, John Tenta was
earthquake from the WWF and Wrestling.Grandpa has been sending in stories for probably
half a year now and keeps onconsistently ending in stories. I'm gonna say
this is one of the top stories. And he didn't even send it like
this wasn't his first story sending.This was like one of his later ones.
(23:10):
So good picks up John Denda,the earthquake on the side of the
road, saves his frigging life,gets him to the show, and the
earthquake was so carny that he carnyed. The guy who picked him up on
the side of the road and madesure he had a flat fixed, got
him to the show, still chargedhim the five dollars and it wasn't like
(23:30):
wrestling. Grandpa was desperate for apicture he called in the wrestling Grandpa still
charged the five bucks. I appreciatethe carniness wrestling Grandpa obviously appreciate the carniness,
but it happened so good. Iknow earthquakes kids have been roaming around
(23:51):
the internet. I think years agothey did a post on Reddit or something
about how they lurk in the wrestlingcircle. So maybe this call can get
to them somehow and hopefully they appreciateit. I appreciate it. Do you
hear such great stories about earthquake?I never took them for a classic Carnie
wrestler, but we all are,and that makes me appreciate him that much
(24:15):
more. Wrestling Anonymous please hold forthe credits. Thank you for listening to
this week's episode of Wrestling Anonymous.This show is usually edited and produced by
myself in my studio apartment in Chicago, Illinois, but today, for the
very last time, it was frommy eighteenth floor of my Australian hotel on
(24:40):
the coastline of Australia. The continentmusic is by Matt Coon Music on Twitter.
Cover art by Donna six one nineon Instagram voiceover work by at Sarah
Joyce Shocky. I'm also on socialmedia Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube,
Facebook. Everything is at colt Cabana. Listen to all the past archives
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