September 3, 2025 • 72 mins
🩸 The Fork-Wielding Madman! Abdullah the Butcher slashes through 50 years of global gore. From carving Bruiser Brody in Puerto Rico brawls to forking Hulk Hogan's forehead in forbidden matches. 🔥 Rare stories: The Sheik's fire rituals, Japan's Yakuza connections, and why he bled for $10,000 a night. 👺 Abdullah exposes: Steroid scandals, death matches that killed careers, and the night he refused Vince's "clown" gimmick. 💀 From Detroit riots to Tokyo domes— the man who made bleeding an art form bleeds the truth. ⚠️ Warning: Graphic details of real scars and backstage stabbings. 😱
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because a guy a ten dollars. What a way to
start it out.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
What a way to start a shooting interview. Welcome to
another edition of the ur Right Video Shoot Interview series.
Where's a pleasure to have none other than the mad
Man from the San Man. It's been in the wrestling business,
dominated the wrestling business with his style for the last
thirty four to thirty six years. Abdul the Butcher. Welcome,
Let's get right into it. The first question that we
ask all our yes is how you actually started and
(01:35):
broke into the wrestling business.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well, it started into the business because number one, I
was hungry. I needed a job.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, and I used to I used to teach karate
and judo and stuff. And I carried a seventh degree
black and a long time ago I was working for
Vic Tenney's.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
I was doing karate for them, and there was a
man by the name.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Of Jack Britton.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
He's want to broke me into the business. It was
Jack Britton and Gino Britto. They broke me into it
and that big one ever since?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Wow? Was it was? It? Was it hard?
Speaker 6 (02:16):
The training when you when you started training against it?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah? Yeah, Wow?
Speaker 6 (02:20):
How long did you have to train before you had
your first match?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
About maybe three months because they said that I was
in that drill? Wow?
Speaker 6 (02:31):
How quick?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Or was it immediately that you developed your style? Which
was it seems way ahead of your time. Everything right
now is everybody wants to be hardcore, tries to be hardcore,
But you were a hardcore before.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
There wasn't before there was even a hardcore. I had
come up with that style.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well there is only one butcher and uh a lot
of things.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
But the guys are doing today they copied for me,
right and uh there was another man who.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Who started it.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Mostly was this and then when I got into it,
they said that I was better than the sheep.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I understand, so h but it was.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
The people used to when they first seen me wrestle.
The promoter jumped up and said, let's call him Abdullah.
This happened in Vancouver, and then they said, let's call
them Abdullah the butcher.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Because I was using forks, I was using this, and
I was using that, Let's call them the butcher.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Yeah, so that's how you came up.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But before then, my name was Zealis Amera. Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
When when was your first Japanese tour and what were
your initial impressions of the wrestling in Japan itself?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Well, when I went to Japan and when the first
time they seen me, I was different, and they kept
using me and using me, and the fans loved me
because they have never seen nothing like me.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Right, So.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That's the way.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
What were your initial impressions that the first one?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I loved it. Yeah, I still love it.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
When did you get your first major exposure in the
United States?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Oh, sh.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I was.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
At least sixty four or sixty five, wow, because I
was on I was on the plane was hijacked to Cuba.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Really, you know, this is this is a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I was on the East Airline. They had a big
snowstorm in New York and I was was I left from.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Uh from Montreal, flew to New York, and from New York,
I flew to UH the Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Then when I was supposed to come back.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
To Montreal, I was supposed to go from Montreal Montreal,
I mean from Puerto Rico to New York and Montreal.
Right then they had a big snowstorm. So then something
else came up, so I had to.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Try and get back.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
So I said, let me take a plane to Miami
right then come and to UH in the Portico. That's
when the plane hype at Wow.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
You basically throughout your career you worked for just about
every single territory that there ever has and will be.
What were some of your favorites and least favorites and
maybe why?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Well, every place where I went, look, I loved all
of them because that was the main event I drew people.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
There's always bloody matches, a lot of excitement, so that
was it.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Was there a particular booker that that you preferred working
for rather than not or promoter?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well a lot of promoters.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Who I worked for was Jim Barnett. I was in Sydney, Australia,
New zeal in the Auckland Perth and of all the promoters.
I didn't trust none of them, all right, you know,
I mean because they'd tell you one thing, then you
(06:16):
know it would be something different, you know. So that
was it.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Wow, it seemed that whenever you would come to a territory,
maybe more so later in your career, you're come in
for one or two like.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Big matches, they bring you as a mystery.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Partner or and then you know, and then out for
a little while.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Why was that?
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Was it just the way that they wanted to use you, or.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Because of my style?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Like if I stayed there and the people kept seeing me,
look my style, like what I was doing, beating on
people and you know, getting them ascited and stuff like this,
that the promoter says, if we bring him in here
and keep him here, when he leaves the territory, would.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
You know go down. Yeah, that's what happened.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Wow, it seemed just from us anyway, from our from
our collection of tapes, we've never seen any of your
work and uh tapes tapes, rustling tapes our own personal
collection that is not for resale. We we have never
personally seen you on our own videotapes on any of
the Memphis and the Mids. You know the Memphis the
U s b A area. Have you ever worked for
(07:24):
the USB A Memphis area?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Well, like, I've been all through this area a long
time ago when pet Martins used to have.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
It right you see and it wo.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Did you ever work for the U s B A
while under the Jerry Lawler running it?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Or yes, yeah you did? Wow? How was that? How
did that?
Speaker 7 (07:42):
I went in for Jerry Lawler and they asked me
to do something and uh, yeah, I picked up my
bags to leave and uh you said just a minute, no,
So we worn.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Something, know, Okay?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
You also one of the one of the early I
guess quote unquote hardcore territories was Southwest Championship Wrestling. It
even got the national exposure on the USA cable network
right before w FA National. And you work Southwest a lot.
What are your memories of working for Southwest champion Wrestling.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
There was a lot of good matches.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I wrestled a lot of good guys, big boys, small guys,
but they were good.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah. So yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
What about the Florida territory that was always a real
hotbed of wrestling.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
What the Florida territory was, Uh was a good territory
When they had a giddygreeam. But it was the same thing.
They bring me in, you know, to get the people in,
all right, and then I'd go out again, all right.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Then when the territory would go down, they'd bring me
in again and it would always jack back up. Right.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, and world class too. It seemed like you were
there like more than more than any world class coming
in for this match.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
To that match.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
What are your memories of worked for world class?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You mean for yes, Well, I'd go in there to
maybe for the TV sposure.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
He was like cap of TV and it was going
all over inside just going there and make a lot
of TV tapes from him, right, and then if the
TV people wanted me in there, right right.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But for the territory, I didn't care too much for it.
Brodie was there.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I like to wrestle him, you know, the by Erics,
they were so so in my opinion, you know, but
you get Killer Brooks and.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
All these other guys, the fust were in there at
that time, and you know, yeah, what.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Was what was the first time Eric like because it
seemed like that he had his promotion peaking, you know,
even when you were in there and and you were
feuding with Bruse Brodie. But then all of a sudden,
you know, he just seemed to drop overnight, his his
promotion anyway and which way you un't as far as
national exposure, as far as you know, world classing to
(09:57):
be a hot ed as far as like an up
and coming you know, territory, and then all of a sudden,
it just seemed that little.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
By little, you know, it just started going down.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, well, you're gonna realize something like a long time
ago when they had the cable TV in the fifties, right,
said the wrestling business.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
It goes to a peak, right. Then when it goes
to a peak, it's got to come down, right. And
then when it comes down and die for.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Maybe ten years or fifteen years, then all of a
sudden they explode again, right you see. And that's what's
going to happen with like with all the other TVs,
you know, the cable TVs.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Right now, it's real hot, but it's just a matter
of time that.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It's gonna it's gonna fade out again, right, and then
all the little small territories are going to come back again.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Really, you think the small territories will come back back Wow,
you can get turn in the wrestling business without all
these territories to get young talent for the big territories.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Well, when they had like the small territories, you could
go and Chicago wrestling in Chicago because they never had
cable TV.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You could stay there for a year or two years.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Then you could move on to maybe Calgary or Bertus,
Astaitoon or Vancouver, or if you went into New York,
nobodyknew you were in New York, right, you see what
I mean. But now since they got cable, they know
where everybody's at.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah. Sound.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
One place that we've never seen you is the World
Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Maybe back in the WWW if I don't know, but
as far as the World Wrestling Federation, we've.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Never seen you there.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
And for a guy that's been everywhere, the question has
to stick out as to why, of all places, Abdul
the Butcher has not been in the World Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
WWF you're talking about, Yes, well, they've taken me for.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
We'll like a law.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
A lot of people don't want me in New York
because of my style. You figure that I'll overpower them, right,
And they say, oh, he's a gimmick man, he's this,
you know, and uh, I would love to go in
there before I retire, before I get out, before whatever.
But the main part about it is that there's too
many people will knock me. We don't want to do
(12:17):
a little bit here because you know, they fear me.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Is it more or less the guys that are over
there on top that you come in and take their
spot or just.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
The spot?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, because every time I went into a territory, if
the territory was down, I would go in there and
bring it up.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Yeah, what I mean the guys, Yeah, you mean he's you.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Know, he's using the floor, if he's using chairs, he's
using this, he's using that, and then it's kind of
hard to follow me, you know after the finished with
the match. Right.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
It seems it seems like from what you're from what
you're saying here, you were you were a solution back
in those days that if a territory was going in,
bringing it, that was going down, bringing wozzard.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, oh I don't want to know. Check this is
catch right, this is catch.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Do you feel spending a majority of your career in Japan,
do you feel the competition is different in Japan than
it is in the United States.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And why it's the same thing, same thing. You've got
guys who who fare you over there. It's like a
lot of the American boys went over there, a lot
of the guys and whatever went over there. When they
see you wrestle, they say, damn, we can't follow this.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, so, but it's
every territory is the same thing. Yeah. I mean, it's like.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I remember, like Hogan, like when he first started, you
know what I mean. I mean, Hogan was a good guy,
you know. I people say, oh, we like Hogan because
he wasn't a top man, all right, so you got
to be a top man.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Every Oh he's no good. He's no good because he's
the top man. All right. That's it, all right.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Back in the younger back in the older days, maybe
even when you were breaking in. We're a lot of
the veterans at that time helpful to you.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
They give you a lot of No. Really, I done
everything everything.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Wow, Are you a little bitter for that? Or do
you take pride in that?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I take pride? Can I take private in it? Because
nobody give me nothing?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
You know, I worked it, and I worked it and
I got it where people say you have a little picture. Yeah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And even like the younger generation in Japan and even
like in the United States. You know, I walked on
a little butcher because the mothers and fathers tell him, I.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Don't be a legend about all right, A lot of
them said good, bad and otherwise about Antonio and OK.
Guy had tremendous power at tremendous times. And you work
for Antonio and in Japan, yes, but Antonio specifically. You know,
any opinions of working for Antonio.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And NOK what he's like? You's a gentleman who's a
good man? Yeah, and uh I think he's a professional
and uh uh it's like anything else he was. He
was up top from for many years. But everybody gets
to the point where they think that I can do
(15:15):
it all by myself.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Yeah, see what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
And he went into politician. He started being a politician
and stuff like that, and all of a sudden he
started coming down. Yeah, but for many years he was
drawing thousands and thousands of people.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, do you think it hurts in Japan when since
it's since when somebody says they're going to retire. Over there,
it's taking a lot more seriously than whenever whenever I
stuck was on TV in the United States, they're going
to retire. Do you think it has some guys like
Onita and Anoki when they say they're gonna retire and
they have the big retire match and they come back
a couple of years later.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Well, you gotta put it this way. Life is what
a gimmick to draw money is? What give me? Do
you mean?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
So somebody jumps up said I'm going to retire, they
might jump them and say, Okay, I'm going to retire.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Maybe two years later, three years later, there what their
back drawing more people.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I might be wrong, but from what I understand as
far as your Japanese career, you originally started with.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
All Japan, went to New Japan, and then went to
All Japan.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Right crack.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Why it seems in Japan anyway, back in the earlier days,
people didn't didn't jump, You stayed.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
You know where you were. And why did you jump
so often?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Because Number One, I worked my ass off when I
went to Japan. It was just me who was the
top man. Now today they have ten guys who were
on top. I'd done it all.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I done everything to draw people. You know, you spoll
in my room, think of different things how to draw people, right,
And they didn't.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Give me the credit for that. Me and me and
Boba was together for many, many years.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And when they tried to shaft Bob, you know what
I mean, when they tried to shaft them, well, there's.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
A lot of things I can't mention about this, but
when they tried to, you know, shaft them.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I was in his corner when he started his new company,
you understanding, because him and they know he was together
when they started.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
A new company.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I worked with Bobo and I told the TV people.
They asked me, if Boba starts his company.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Would you stay with Baba? I suggests, do Is it
what I mean? And that was it.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So when people don't give you what you really deserve,
you supposed to be what you gotta run, you see.
But everybody was skipping in Japan because when they headed
the two groups, I mean, you had other guys switching
(17:59):
and Baba would bring him back, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
So it was the same thing with.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Me when I switched and I told these people, you know,
what I mean, this man's going to give me this
here stuff like that. So they knew I was leaving,
you know what I mean. So they didn't come up
and say, well, okay, we'll do this for you.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
But they didn't do it. So when I switched, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Uh, they were when they were in this territory like
when you boughted all these other guys from.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Uh from Menoki's office, Tiger singing all these guys when
they bought him in.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, and then uh, maybe a year went good and
when they started dropping, they caught two people back.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
The King Abdul of the Butcher, the King Bruiser Brody,
and we bought it up right absolutely. If you can't
talk about it on camera, that's fine. But why did
you choose Baba over a milky?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
At that time? Well, Baba was a gentleman. He was legit,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
Yes, but things change, things changed, and a class a
class of classified Baba.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
And his wife as a good friend.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Okay, you see what I mean?
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Yeah, Well, why did you leave all Japan the last time?
The very last time?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Well, I with Baba for many years and I asked
Boba said, when am I coming back, he said to me. Uh,
talked to mister Eman, talked to who for many years,
I've never talked to nobody. Now you're telling me too,
you know, called for a booking, right. I just looked
(19:54):
at him my sense of some words to him, and uh,
I walked away. But I did not switch because I
went to Japan to make commercials. Okay, And Baba thought
because I was.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Talking to little Victor. Okay, he thought that I was
getting ready to switch, that I switched.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
And then uh, it came in the paper, did a
little butchers going with such sets did not go with
those people.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Then when I read the paper with the other company,
all right, why you know? That was the question later on.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
But since since you brought it up, F MW. It
seemed to royally peak in the early nineties as the
hardcore style over there. They brought the new rope on,
barbed wire matches and and everything all that game makes
from the blood.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
It seemed perfect for Abdul, the butcher vers versus need.
That's why same thing.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, you don't want me A lot of people or
you bringing up he was gonna do this, He's gonna
suit it me. Yeah, the same thing with the Night,
they went to show with the Night. Yes, when I
went out there and done my stuff, boom boom. These
guys come up with tin cans and precures and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
They couldn't They couldn't Fotle.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Right, I mean right, So you think it was more
or less Oneita since he was the top guy himself,
and he would more or less be be wrestling you
if you went there.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Well, if I wrestle Oneita, we could draw a big money.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, I mean that's it goes back to the same thing.
They say, we gotta watch that Boule Investor.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Yeah, it's a shame because I mean there's three guys
here that would have loved to have seen that match.
But uh, but anyway you feel your match, maybe I
don't even know if you recall it, but it was
a classic and we do, and many of our our
fans and customers do. In nineteen ninety, the nineteen seventy
seven out Tag Final with You and the Sheep against
(22:01):
the Funks, It's considered by a lot is one of
the greatest matches.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
They were great matches. The Sheep was a great worker. Uh,
he had a lot of good ideas.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I had a lot of good ideas and uh I
used to watch him a lot, and uh, but I
overpowered him, right, you see the name.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
You know don because the people said that I've done
it better.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I mean, nobody ever ate raw chicken liberally every raw livery,
Nobody ever ate glass, nobody ever ate paper, nobody ever
ate you know what I mean. It's like to day
all these guys now who are using the floors choosing,
they never used it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It was the only guys like the.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Who used the boards and other stuff with Bruiser Brewery,
myself and uh, what's the named King Curtis?
Speaker 9 (22:51):
And then there was another guy. He was from Canada.
Like he used to go, what's in a group of urn? Yeah,
guys like this, Yeah, we're worse. Some of your greatest matches.
My greatest matches were.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
With Carlis Cologne, Uh, Terry Funk, Lise bro.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Chic, Uh jak Isk nuth Is, Donnie O, Jonathan Tolas Brothers.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
You know, I can keep going on thirty six years.
I've wrestled everybody. Yeah, was every guy who I wrestled.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
They respect me and every promoter when they see the
houses packed, he said, Oh, but if I would have
known what I know today. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah, as far as all Japan goes a little bit there,
it seemed the later years that you were there, they
didn't they didn't you used the forks and and things
like that the last the last couple of times that
you were there.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Because uh, the people there, the wrestlers there, they didn't
want it.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
They you know, they talked to you know, to the
big man, and he's coming back, bat don't let him.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Uh you see what I mean.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah, wow, I guess uh, you know, I have some names.
I'll just you know, give me an opinion on them,
whether it's one sentence or however.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
You know another guy who was a hell of h
was a hell of a performer, who was a Jewish boy.
That was Mark Lewen. Oh yeah, Mark Leewan. Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
We had many good battles. I mean not in the States,
but in uh why in Waii and uh that's the place,
uh Singapore over and uh uh Australia.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Yeah wow, just some memes. Uh you know a Jewish boy,
this is true. Yeah, Terry Funk. You know he's still
going at it and you know he's a legend.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you still get to the he's
doing more things now, diving off the top of ropes,
doing doing flips, doing this year.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
And the guy's up there. But I give him power,
to give him credit. Do you think he'd still be
around as long as he has terry going no place?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
But I've got a lot of good ideas.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, a lot of good ideas were about stan Hansen.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Stan Hanson, we have had good fights, me and stand.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, you know, yeah, Dusty Rhodes, great matches, he's a
pearl beside.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Uh, Carlos Colombe, Karls pom we had great matches and
uh he was a friend once upon a time. But
it's different though.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Yeah, what happened what happened to Tara? It seemed at
one point was it was hot down there and like
now you know it's like you read.
Speaker 10 (26:25):
About, but it's still hot down in the sun's zone.
You see, there's nothing wrong with remember something. A territory
is never dead when you're bringing different talent. Yeah, see,
you mean it's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Would now they got w w F, they got n
w A right, But he's still got a couple of
local groups around here. What are drawing people tell you now,
it's the little groups got together. They could draw more, right,
But everybody wants to be a kingpin.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
What happened and you might not. I don't even know
if you remember this. I'm for smoking out in wrestling.
You're supposed to come into that one big show and
you're advertising.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Then I was looked at Japan. At the last moment.
They asked me to come to Japan and I had
to go, you know what I mean? Yeah, and then
the guy he called me, I called him and told
him that I couldn't make it, and uh it was.
It was on the answer service. I said, I'm sorry,
I can't make it. I'm gonna go to Japan tomorrow.
(27:37):
And he says he called me up and said, tell
me I'm dreaming.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
No, you're not dreaming. I'm telling you so. But every
place where I was supposed to been, we sold out.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Yeah, the guy you mentioned earlier, as far as the pins,
the original Sheep, the Sheep.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, well, when I started with the Sheik, the Sheep
would never put me in Cobo Hall like he me.
I went to Uh, he sent me.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Out of territory for it was dead and I'd go
in there and I take it that with nobody and
bringing up, bringing up, bringing up, bringing up, bringing up,
bringing up, bringing up, and the sheep would come into
Brazil and his crew right and the thing go down.
But when he put me in Cobo Hall, we go
(28:41):
back again. I was I was fighting like uh like
there was another like the Indian Fello and it was
Chief White Doll. Yeah, the Chief White Doll. I fought
him and we tore the place down, and there.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Seeing Cobhla yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Then when she went into the hospital he had an operation.
Then I wanted and he took his title, you know,
started doing business there.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
But I didn't like.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Holding the belt because when we held the belt, you
had to stay in that territory.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Yeah, so that was it is that why I'll do
a Butcher didn't wrestle many title matches over his career.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
At once a belt well they would. I wrestled one
of the one of the Briscal brothers for the World's
title and I beat him for it. I had to
belt for about maybe four or five minutes. The new
switch did really they so I usually gave made bad
(29:46):
stuff like that. Wow.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
A guy that's nowadays in the in the nineties being
some compare him to you, not as far as style,
but just as far as you know his his well
in brutality.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
The Sheik's nephew Sab. You know, opinion on him is like.
Speaker 11 (30:07):
A knack of bat I mean, yeah, I could make
a lot of money with him if he fought his
uncle's way, a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
But he's a guy who wants to do flips and
that's it. He's a good worker, but that's not my style.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
He said, were you disappointed when you actually did have
your your one match with him?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
We had a hell of a match in Japan. We
had a great fucking excuse me, We had a great
match and then we tore the house down and then
but he didn't like that style.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, so he wants to take a chair, put it
in the ring, do flips and do this and break
tables and chairs.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
You know, you think a guy like that, how how
the body the told the body, I mean, how how
the body.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Can't Yeah, his body can't mass And another guy who
I I wrestled with was Captains Jack.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah, he was a little list. Yeah, Captains Jack was.
He's a great performer. Yeah, do you think the same
thing with him as far as his body.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, so you can't last long when you're uh going
in the chairs, jumping off balconies and you know, manifesting.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Of my milk. That a lot of good.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Yeah, I mean plus that was an Israel.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Wrestled in Israel.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Oh wow, big houses in Israel.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
There was uh. We rasted thinking rooms. We rast it
in one place.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Me and Rose Brodie was solded out times the same place,
the same every night named Brody, and the people kept
coming out, coming out, coming out, picking at your people.
It takes a lot of guts. It's just as the
(32:18):
fork of the room. I'm hungry. Weat some pizza, cut
it up them. Yeah, you know, wors your hands, put
the thing on me. I'm talking here.
Speaker 12 (32:29):
Worn you want something that I can't need you Look
at this made for a butcher, look at us. No
that I cut it up just right here? I mean please,
Plus I have collies, so I can't have all this
ship on it so.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Much. You stop picking a question that just popped into
my mind.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
With all the different wrestling you did over the years internationally,
as far as you know, Israel and all the different
places you did, was there ever, I'm sure there must
have been the threat of terrorism.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
You know, be root, never forget it. I went to
Bay Route.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I had to sneak out really and the first time
I ever seen planes, Jewish planes.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I was sitting on the thing and said, h by
the beach and also there what is that?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
And they said, you know some of the planes would
sneak you know, sneak over and first time and I
didn't get paid. I had to sneak out.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Wow, did anything happen during the show, like inside the building?
Speaker 11 (33:46):
What it was?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
People? They were like, which way you're talking about? Like
any like like on fire or anything inside the building.
And no, no, no, this is all the planes that
are what I said. I take that back. There's one
plane you know at nighttime, you know, uh.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I didn't see the plane, but they were firing at something.
They said it was a plane. Yeah, I mean that
was it. I gots all things considered.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
You got lucky considered all the traveling you've done over
the years, and with with all the terrorism that's out there,
you know, it something that peak.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
You know way back when, well, the first time when
I went to Israel, I leave my bank down. I've
never seen soldiers come so fast. You know, and there's
they had some kind of a machine, right, and they
(34:38):
want to pick the bag up. They said, don't ever
leave that bank. Always carry your bank with you. I've
seen a lot of uh you know over there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
And then the other.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Countries you know where they have air ship, they had
a lot of military people.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
You know. That was it. Yeah, the guy, it's very
powerful in the business, the guy that you've wrestled the
whole Kogan opinion on Hogan.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Arrest Hogan in Japan ten times, and we have great matches.
He was going to bring me in him and Barnett
in the New York. Really something happened. Yeah, headers.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
The Headhunters, which ones, well, let's put this here way.
There's only one a bottle butcher people who other people
try to make another a little butcher, two a little butchers.
But when Vince bought him in the New York and
called him the Butchers, the people thought it was.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
A little bitcher coming in, right. I mean, but there's
only one butcher. I mean my style. They don't know
my style. Anybody can fly anybody can, you know. But
they're the young boys and there and they're good what
they do. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Wow, I don't know if you've ever wrestled him, but
but another powerful mainstay in the business, Rick Flair mc flair.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I fought Ric Flair before he was champion. I fought
him in Armillo. Good match, but flairdn't want to.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Flair never did ever mention about working with me for
the titles or matches.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Wow, a guy that, uh, some people committed. Some people
actually call him Abby Junior got wrestled for e W.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Nu Jack Well new Jack came to me one time
and he got my tapes, my wrestling tapes and everything
we see him do.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, my stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
But what he does by diving off a rooftop or
a balcony, that's not me right, all right, because if
I dived up, Uh, I don't think I can get up.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Another guy, you know in the United States, maybe not
so much an Abby Junior, but has the same kind
of reputation that you had in your day.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Another ec W wrestler, Tommy Dreamer. Have you ever seen
him for e c W.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
He's they call him the innervator of violence because he's
you know, he does a lot of a lot of
the brawling and a lot of the hardcore.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Is that the guy who drinks the beer. That's the man,
saman Well, the same man to me. He's gonna help
her give me. I like him, you like him.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
But the.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
He's who work w a R same show you this
summer did a six man.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
He's good.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, yeah, obviously person. I gonna throw him the to
the mix here Vince McMahon Jr.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Man in here.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, the truth.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I've never talked to the man, really, And one day
I was talking to Hogan in Japan, Vince King, and
to Hogan, I'll say, yeah, I left.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, I talked to the old man who was, in
my opinion, was a gentleman, you know, But I've never
talked to the kid. Wow. Wow, mister Pogo. Recently Wrestling
Head arrested Pogo.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
He's another one.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
He uses gimmicks. What's it's unbelievable. He uses drill drills,
he used everything.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, and when the people look at it, they should
be dead. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Jim Crockett, Jim Crockett, R. Crockett. I worked for Crockett.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Uh, the same thing goes back and bring me in there,
I bring the territory up. I'll be gone again.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah. Another guy was good.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Who was a who was a machine? That was Bata McDaniels,
Ernie Glad. I worked with Bernie Land anytimes. He was
a good uh you know yeah, Sarah Jones, right, ZAMBOI
Express that Sambo Express, kreamhond and uh Lee very Brown good. Yeah,
(39:35):
Oliliver Brown was a friend, yeah, you know yeah, and
Gray Candy.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I used to send him all over see.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
That said a lot of people all over you know, Japan,
A lot of places and a lot of boys.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
The guy that we talked about earlier Onita. You know,
I don't need it. Well, I don't need a.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I got to give him credit because he left Baba's
office started his own company.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
They done well. Yeah. So when you look at a
man who's doing good, you were, I can't knock him,
all right, you know, so whatever he does, if he.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Doesn't use me, but but I'm not gonna knock him
and say, well he's no good because you don't use
that the.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Old butcher, right.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I mean, I mean you look at his business where
he's drawing a thousand, two thousand people. The place is packed.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Yeah, so you gotta give him credit. Uh did you
think when when he started fm W, did you think
a promotion like that built on you know, on the
game makes and the barbs could survive.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Because the Japanese people, I've never seen Keith manches, never
seen the explosions.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
They've never seen you know, I mean, I mean, it
was it was something different. It was something new, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
And then they had everybody on the car and everybody
was doing this chain matches, barb wire matches, fire you mean.
I mean, I've been around a long time. I went
to Mexico and I've seen you know, fire matches. Yeah,
you know what I mean, but I've never seen it
in Japan. But Japan took them to maid They it
seemed like you were like in the war or something.
(41:24):
And then one time the she uh, something happened in
the ring like with the fireside.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, yeah, the whole ring called fire put too much.
I mean they're lucky that. I mean that they got
all alive. Is that smoke? You have a field that
you look at the gardens like.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
This, she had like burned his whole back was after
like a year enough.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yeah, it's dangerous when you even see the tape of that. Yeah,
but when you have matches like that, if a guy
would die. What happens if everybody want to see it again?
Everybody want to see it again? Quick repeat? Yeah, and
I guess mm hmm. The world is violent. The world
(42:14):
loves what violence? Wow?
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Do you think uh being work, working for so long
and working with Baba? Do you think seeing a note
well not even know ke, but New Japan, seeing them
change with the times as far as them get more
into gimmicks with you know, bringing the n W over
there and and doing more with the gimmickry and Bobba,
you know, staying away from that. And do you think
that's gonna hurt Baba in the long run or.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Help Bobaba is like bob is one of the sharpest
promoters in the world. When I say sharp, when other
people are saying, well let's do this, let's do that,
Baba sets back, Yeah, and he still goes throng. I
mean yeah, it's like, uh New Japan at first New
(43:05):
Japan was down for a while, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
So it's uh when you walk into a into a
building and you throw a show and you're drawing.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Eight hundred thousand dollars or more and then you're selling
uh magazines.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
It used to be twenty five cents. Now they're selling
them for ten bucks. Yeah, I mean yeah, and they're
selling them like crazy.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
So it's got to be and Bobby sixty years old
and they're getting me to go into Big Ballpark.
Speaker 6 (43:36):
Yeah, getting ready to do their first down show.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yeah, their first do. But see for that for the
first big the first million dollar house was whatever drawn
was with me, uh.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Bo Nokie taking partners and me and Tanker sing real
when you started to wow, you.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Mean showing showing the world that if you joined with
other men, Yeah, you can draw the biggest things of history.
Speaker 6 (44:11):
What about tire thing or not? I have the name
taker sing no comment?
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Okay, a guy that I think you know that maybe
you had some of some of his best matches were
with you, the late Andrew the Giant, very good matches. Yeah,
what are what are any memories you have of when
when you did the w c W run you were
a team with Norman a lunatic.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Uh yeah, you were one of the w c W.
I had no choice, okay, I had to go with him. Yeah. Yeah,
so you play their game. One time the guy said
the doing this guy is actually doing doing his little gimmick.
We want you to dance? And I looked at him
(45:01):
and says, you want who to dance? You're going to dance?
Or you want me to dance? You know you dance
to be good at to know?
Speaker 5 (45:06):
I don't do that.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Yeah, what was there was something that's you know a
lot of people know about Halloween havoc.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
There was a lawsuit with you in w c W
over the video.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
What was that all about?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Well?
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Number one, it goes back that they needed something, right,
who could they bring in Abdullah the Butcher?
Speaker 5 (45:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I was never under contract w c W. Do you
mean everybody else is under contract? They made tapes of
me and they sold the tapes. Well, they had no
right to sell my tapes, you know what I mean.
Plus I don't know if my lawyer is selling me
out or whatever. But everybody else been paid.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Who have who have took the company? You know the court,
they've been paid still to this day. Wow.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
And I called my lawyer up and you don't have
to be back. So when they get back, I'm gonna
go see him.
Speaker 6 (46:13):
I don't want to be in issues. Do you think
that that burnt the bridge with w W?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
No, because you would have put the camera for a minute.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Okay, if you were, and I don't know if you
are even planning to go back to Japan in the
very near future, who would you prefer to work for?
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Are you planning to go back and going back? All right?
Speaker 6 (46:39):
Is there anything that you can talk about right now?
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Go back in?
Speaker 6 (46:43):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Who are you gonna company? Oh? Really? Okay? Wow? This
could be you know, a short this could be a
three hour answer. But uh, you know the difference in
UH in.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
The difference in UH in professional wrestling business wise or
ring wise. You know, the seventies, you know, into the
eighties and the nineties, everything, it seems every decade of changes,
you know, I mean just just you know your thoughts
on that.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
The difference is, well, let's put it this way. They
took wrestling today, and you have what it is.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
You've got entertainment movie starters, you got boxers, you got jockeys,
you got.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
People. It was like, what's the singer's name? I can't
pronounce his name?
Speaker 2 (47:41):
He used to play it to of the piano, that
little BITCHI right now there's a man like uh, this
man and little Richard they were what they were all right?
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Now, here's a man the little Roger used to run
around with a flag and this and that, and people
love to see them, you know what I mean the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
If you can go to a wrestle match and see
Muhammad Ali, see Tina.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Turner at a wrestling match, you're gonna say, damn, we
might not ever see these people like this.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
They go it's a show business. Everything is entertainment. People
want to be entertainment.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
People who might have problems at home, or problems on
their jobs, or problems wherever, when they go to a
wrestle match, they can do what they can scream and
let everything out.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
That's the key. It's like when you go to a movie.
When you go to a movie, you want to sit
down and relax, watch a movie an hour and a
half or whatever.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
But you relax, nobody's bothering you. It's like the people
who go to a wrestling match. You got all kinds.
People want vimins, people.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Want to.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
What it seems, and we talked a little bit about
this before that the hardcore style is going I guess
you can say mainstream these days. You know, it seems
you can't turn turn a wrestling TV show without seeing
the chairs and you know sometimes tables and whatnot. You
think that's good or that's bad.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
But see the people. You've got great wrestlers, guys who
go there and grab a hole and do this. But
people don't want to see that. Yeah, they want to
see what the chairs and the table. They want to
see violence. It's the same thing like when you.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
See, uh, a woman and she's got no makeup on,
but she's a beautiful woman. Yeah right, and she's got
an ordinary dress. The friend thing you say, I you
see somebody else buff bro was type this type dout o.
Well that's great.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Everything is shure.
Speaker 6 (50:01):
Yeah you think that's good for for wrestling?
Speaker 1 (50:05):
What's it? So much of it? It'll go to a
peak every remember something. Everything feeds out. Yeah you know
what I mean. It's like if you keep your clothes, uh,
keep it for ten years, it all comes back and
comes back.
Speaker 4 (50:27):
Sure what they were, Maybe you can expand on it,
But have you achieved all your goals that you set
when you became a professional wrestler.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
I'm happy this this business, this world of only nothing. Yeah,
if I left the other day in the morrow, I
can sit down and say I lived.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah, you know what I mean, and I lived a
good life. I did not swerve nobody or a lot
of people swerve me though. But I'm not going to
say you said that this room.
Speaker 6 (51:01):
Is there anything that you haven't achieved yet that that
you want New York?
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Yeah, Madisacret Gardens.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, that's one place I like to have, even if
I stepped in the ring, even if I hit one match. Yeah,
because I've been every other place, but I have never
been in Madison.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
Wow, you were You were actually in e c W
when it first started, when Eddie Gilbert was the booker.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
Would you ever go back to e c W. Well,
they asked me to come back for but we go
back to the same thing. Then I'm an outlaw. They
can't control. See companies like to control.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
They like to throw you a bone and see you
crawl for it. Yeah, And I've never done that.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah, because there's no saying if you don't keep your
pride what you can respect, you're a piece of ship.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
That's what the promoters think of a lot of the wrestlers.
So would you would out duel the butcher?
Speaker 5 (52:13):
Ever?
Speaker 6 (52:13):
Being a barbed wire match?
Speaker 1 (52:15):
I was in many barbar matches a long time ago.
But I hate them. There. I hate matches. One mistake
you can lose your eye. You can lose you know.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Plus, Uh, that wire is very dangerous. Send me through unit.
You could be infected. You could be because that wire
is not clean.
Speaker 6 (52:36):
R Do you ever worry about that? Over the years, Uh,
with all the bloody matches that you've been involved with, I've.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Always took care of myself. Yeah, I've always made sure
that my head was clean. Alcohol, you know what I mean. Yeah,
I've always took care of it. Yeah, antibiotics, you know
what I mean. Yeah, and the main thing.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
When you lose a lot of blood, you have to
take a nice glass of wine and you come back
to the shower and let the.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Shower that system.
Speaker 5 (53:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
A lot of promoters, and you even expand them several times,
called you an outlaw. A lot of promoters say I'm
doing the Butcher's difficult.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah, because they couldn't control me, you know what I mean.
Like a lot of people say Hogan. I mean, Hogan,
it's powerful, you see you know. Yeah, I mean so
if Hogan jumps up says a goodbye New York, take
them back to dad World.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
Yeah, I mean so when when you hear promot say
i'll never use that son of a bitch, that means
you're gonna use you. And they have said it many times,
I'll never use that abroom of the butcher. If I
didn't like something, goodbye?
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (53:57):
Would you ever retire from professional Russell?
Speaker 1 (54:02):
Tell you the truth, I'll I'll be dying in the room.
Really yeah, I'm probably dying in the room, you know,
I mean yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
And that said that to my like my my wife,
my mother, and then when you're gonna quit, it says mom,
I'll probably dying. She was funny and strange, but you
never know because I love this business. Wow, I don't
want you started crying taking these.
Speaker 6 (54:30):
If you were to die in the ring, would you
be happy dying in the ring?
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Wow?
Speaker 6 (54:37):
Has uh?
Speaker 1 (54:38):
I not where somebody's gonna cover me?
Speaker 6 (54:39):
One, two, three, I still kick out.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
There's been a lot of conflict over the years with
with guys just saying you come into the territory and
in your schedule to face an opponent or even these
days and they just say the guys us to say
I'm not rustling, I'm doing it, but never really.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Never, Uh, guys, who I used to wrestle on TV.
The first thing when they came in, they'd run to
the wall and oh, oh, I'm glad they don't have him. Yeah,
but the top guys.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
You know, they love to work with me. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (55:14):
Wow, Yes, there's no one, no no way, sugar cut.
The question, are you are you tough on young guys
when you're in there with a young guy?
Speaker 1 (55:24):
No? No, no, Yeah, because everybody's trying to make a living.
Speaker 5 (55:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
I don't stop nobody from making a living. Yeah, because
if you stop somebody, maybe they're trying to feed their family.
They're trying to feed their mother. Maybe they're trying to
feed No, I don't have time for that, yeah, said,
they don't have time for it.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (55:43):
Being in the business thirty something years now, what is
that toll taking on your body?
Speaker 2 (55:49):
My body, well, since that I'm not in the wrestling
business that much, my joints sometimes are a little sore. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
But but what I've been there waiting, it's just like
because I'm used to going yeah. Yeah, I guess when
you condition yourself after so many years. Yeah, yeah. It's like.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
There was a promoter who booked me here, the son
of a bitch, give me the earliest flight that he
could get me, and I had to be up.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
At in the morning. Yeah, I'm about an hour away
from from the airport, right, Yeah, not my fault. I
don't want to do no name, but he's in the room.
And then when he got me here, Uh, we didn't
do nothing but went to a restaurant and showed time.
Speaker 8 (56:50):
Speaking of restaurants, want to talk about how you got
involved with yours in Georgia, how that all came about.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
You recently had an article right now.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Yeah. Yeah, Uh, A lot of people say, why do
you open up a Chinese restaurant, not a little bit
of house of ribs. I'm different, you see. My mind's
always thinking, my wife's mind's always thinking about how to
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do this different.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah. Do mean why are you guys are there with
the video you see instead of it instead of a wrestler,
you do know what I mean? It's like he's here,
you know, signing right autography? A wrestler should have that business.
Ye mean, they do not think you see?
Speaker 2 (57:41):
I mean somebody else has got to come in and
take it over. It's like, uh, you know the k
Faid sheep, right, the same thing. Do you know what
I mean there was an outsider. Do mean do anything
with wrestlers know how to do is go in there
and do their stuff, but they don't think about business
on the side. You don't think about it. See, and
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that's why, like it's I gonna tell like a lot
of the wrestlers, Hey, you're in the wrastlal business, but
you got to think about other businesses, you know, because
when it when this is finished, I mean, there will
not be a lot of guys around like me, you
know for these many years.
Speaker 5 (58:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (58:24):
Oh yeah. Have you ever had a major injury that
has kept you out for a long period of time?
I printer died ten years ago, but not from the
wrestling business. I had to believe alser and I was
at home. I took a bump.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
It wasn't for my wife grabbing my legs, picking my
legs up where the blood can go to my brain
out of bed. Really, I got split from here all
the way up to here. Yeah, if you want to
see that, it's extra.
Speaker 4 (58:58):
Pas Uh do you wanna do you want to wrestle again?
For a national provist in the United States? In which way,
as far as uh television, television is huge now as
far as wrestling in the United States, you know they
have five million people in every Monday night watching wrestling.
You want to get back into that as far as uh,
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you know, do you want to be part of be
seen whether as five million people?
Speaker 1 (59:23):
Are you happy just doing what you're doing? Wow?
Speaker 2 (59:28):
I would love to go back on the TV. Yeah,
you see to mean, you know, it's like when you
look at all the movie stars. Yeah, you know they
get old, but the lungs of their face looks good. Yeah,
you know, they can still make movies, right, so you
start fading away when happens the movies. You see, you
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gotta realize the new generation, the younger generation, they know
what do the butcher the hardcore that this and that,
this and that. Right, but if I cannot produce, they
don't want.
Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
To see me.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Right, it's always too old. But the lungs I can
keep producing. And it's in Japan have those which you
have never changed this town? He still goes yea, Now
if I was.
Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Looking old, you see, even you throw the house down tonight,
everybody was I have to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Yeah. See, anytime that you have a main event or
whatever you have, I'm going to go in there. And
try to overpower it. If I don't try to overpower it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
See, anytime I walked into a territory, I would say,
in so many weeks, I would be there.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Yeah, that's what you gotta think. When you're a top
man or you're on the bottom, you got to say
I want to be there, you see.
Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Yeah, it's amazing with the longevity in the is still
the minute you walked walked through the curtain tonight, the
house went nuts to play.
Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
It's like, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Even young fans that you know, maybe I hadn't seen
you on TV in five years, you know, in the
United States, they still went nuts.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
I mean it's amazing. See the people still remember me.
Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
The mother and the father's take a little bitcher, they
tell the kids, Yeah you five twenty five years old.
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Yeah, so figure who told you about that? A little bit?
Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I remember reading about your wrestling magazines before. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
It's kind of funny that you brought that up, because
my next question I was getting into is the three
of us here.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
You know, we've seen matches.
Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
You know, we're twenty five, all of us here, twenty five,
twenty six, and we've been fans since we were eight
or nine years old, right, And there's one match that
we still talk about all these years, and that was
you against Bruce of Brodie And while in New Jersey
on an independent show several years ago. There's what we
talk about. It is because at the time all I
saw was wrestling in the ring, wrestling in the ring,
and it was the first time we've ever seen anybody
terror building up the broomsticks called the bathroom, just need
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the chairs, and all the guys, the new guys in
e c W everywhere we say, you know you're not
gonna leave. Ten years ago we saw this or whatever
it was. You know, I mean all your matches with
Brews of Brodie were classic. You know, in our opinion,
what are your memories of the Bruis of Brodie feud
and your matches.
Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
He was a pro.
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Yeah, when I say a pro. He knew how to
he knew how to produce. But he learned his style
from King Curtis.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Jimmy. King Curtis was.
Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Good friends. See Curtis started all that. It was King
Curtis used to walk the chairs. He was King Curtis
used to take the chairs, throw them up in the air.
It was King Curtis does what I mean, you see
a lot of people don't remember King Curtis. King Curtis
was the one who'd done a lot of it. When
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you stepped King Curtis, he could walk the chairs. He
fought over the top of the chairs. You don't mean
like he was dead.
Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Ye mean, I mean you've got a lot of guys.
Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
In this business who are who are prose doesn't mean
but a lot of people never never heard about them?
Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
Yeah, absolutely, But uh no, it's a mass we still
talk about to this day. You know, we're talking about
the five million people that watch wrestling every Monday. Are
you one of those five million people? You watch the
Monday show?
Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
No, I might turn it on and turn it off. Yeah,
because everybody's doing the same thing. You know what I mean,
if if a promoter would sit down and ask the
guy who's on the desk, and who's the announcer who's
sitting there, you know, and say, what are the people saying?
(01:03:53):
Because the first thing that one guy throws a lariat. Yeah,
the next guy comes out, he throws lariat. You know,
I mean, everything is the same. And one time Jim
Burnard asked me, he says, the patrollers. Everybody's doing the
same thing. I said, why don't you ask the guy
and said at the desk there for the whole three
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hours or whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I've ever thought of that is you mean, yeah, I
mean when you look at it, how many gimmick bets
can you have?
Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
It's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
That was like tonight, like when they said, like, you know,
the nun, when the people said get the nun, I
did not even see the nun. Yeah, until you know
he got scared and started back and up.
Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Yeah. Then I followed through with it. You have to work.
It's funny too, not that not that this is even
a question or anything.
Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
We were in Japan and we were to prefer it's
some of the f m W shows and other face
over there. You know, it's all things that we chased.
The people, you know, through the crowd saw and we said,
you know, why why you ever come to the United
States and do that? He said, nobody would move, you know.
But the thing is, when I goes to the crowd,
they move, you know. It's it's it's wild when you
think about it.
Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
You know that you can see people fear me. Yeah,
you know they say he is crazy. Yeah, you know,
I mean after people see me do so many things.
I mean, who's gonna eat grow liversa chickens, you know
what I mean? Yeah, and the people he's crazy. And
(01:05:35):
then I just look at you and stare at you
and anyways.
Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Yeah, wow, how did you how did you come up
with that? It was just natural, said, your your eyes,
your look, you're you.
Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
Know, just being a scary scary fear.
Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Yeah, fear. It's the same thing. It could be somebody
who could could be big. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Right, and if you just look at him, if you
look at a woman, or you look at somebody's eyes,
you keep staring at him.
Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
Yeah, they start doing what they start going exactly right.
Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
A person who lies, you can't stare at you. He's
got to be what because he's lying, you know what
I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Wow, match it happened a couple of years ago with
Bradley a fire match.
Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
That what happened with that hat? That match.
Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
I went to the hospital for six weeks. Wo had
to change it. Guys want to see it? Yeah, money
and the money is to show my body.
Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
All right, Well, apparently we're not going to see the
Apparently we're not going to see the scar.
Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
You got to burn yea here all oad to there?
I got the scar. Yeah, go ahead, I'll think about it,
think about it.
Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
But what went wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
With that match? The kid was nervous?
Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Yeah, the doctor said when they got me, when they
hit here, if I wouldn't turned my head, I've been
blind today and I swore no, son of a bitch. Whatever,
excuse me, my age, whatever, throw fire on me again.
If I had have kept my eyes.
Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Like this, everything would have been burned. Everything would That's
the first time I've ever went to an hospital. I mean,
I've been to a hospitals to be sewn up. You know.
I don't know if you've seen the rastling tape where
they were sewing me up. Yes, I have, actually yeah,
(01:08:03):
but uh oh, lucky to walk away from that. Really
it was that bad.
Speaker 7 (01:08:10):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
It was bad. Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
And when the people smelled the flesh, when they smelled
that flesh, and all of a sudden, this whole.
Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Thing was pink. Yeah, it was pink. The people saying wow.
Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
Any questions you guys have to add?
Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Was there any.
Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
You had a Matthew Jerry Lawler a couple of years
ago to death yeah, exactly death. Did you just not
like the guy or.
Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Well, see, I'm not used to people talking to the people.
I'm going to do this and do that. Yeah, and
when you get it, you don't do nothing? Right, what
were you guys there? We just recently act Yeah you
did and then almost ring somebody else?
Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Yeah by Bradley set up for the fire match.
Speaker 6 (01:09:09):
Actually yeah, right right, That's why I asked, because that
match you.
Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Just beat the hell out you know that match?
Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
Well, you know, there's nothing else I have to add,
you know, other than the fact that you know, we
wish the prosperity and longevity and you know, another thirty.
Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Years you know, in the wrestling business.
Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
I mean, you know, you know you've scared us many
times and you know given us just as many throws.
Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
Thank you, Yeah, I mean you helped make the three
of us wrestling fans.
Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Well, I'll tell you every time that I when I
sit down at a table going to a restaurant and
I'm meeting the people, always say, you know, leave the Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Definitely, thank you all right, very much and good luck
to you. All right, thank you, thank you? All right,
everything okay, very good. Well, you know, wait, a minute.
I'm very tired of these cheap, cheap, cheap.
Speaker 10 (01:10:18):
People who's trying to make money from abdulh the Butcher
by making my t shirts, by making my video tapes
out there selling them.
Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
If I ever catch you, I'll take this damn fork
and I'll stab it in your head. You're facing to
your ass into your body. Don't be selling my merchandise
unless you're.
Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Paying me for it. That goes for the shoot interview,
isn't that correct? That goes for this interview too, this
interview too. Thank you. And my good friend is George. Yeah,
I've been knowing him for twenty eight years. I've been
knowing his wife and his two boys. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
We're going to take a look. I'm gonna take a
look at the burn. This is the burn of the
match with Blu Bradley.
Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
And this is a split. And I want to show
you now how much more you say for that? For this?
Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (01:11:25):
Oh, that's whereas where you can step a coin in there?
Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Let you put the coin. I'll do it, yeah, I'll
do it here tangled that no, come on the other side,
which whis the big one? Here? Said one? Here? Yeah? Oh, unbelievable, unbelievable.
(01:11:51):
What are you doing.
Speaker 9 (01:12:00):
You're shipping your ship, You're nearly shipping your pants when
they grabbed you.
Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Part. Thank you very much, appreciate it.
Yeah, Eric, it's okay. The video taping coming in. Lady's
start about him right, which said put on the better Yeah, thanks.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
To paper than.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
George. I mentined this film. This is a cash real launch.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Okah. Pay the man, stop being so cheap. Get my money.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Listen, I'm trying to get my Money'll stop stop yalling
at me.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Very rip off enough stopping day easy. Yeah, thank you
because a guy a ten dollars. What a way to
start it out.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
What a way to start a shooting interview. Welcome to
another edition of the ur Right Video Shoot Interview series.
Where's a pleasure to have none other than the mad
Man from the San Man. It's been in the wrestling business,
dominated the wrestling business with his style for the last
thirty four to thirty six years. Abdul the Butcher. Welcome,
Let's get right into it. The first question that we
ask all our yes is how you actually started and
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broke into the wrestling business.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well, it started into the business because number one, I
was hungry. I needed a job.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, and I used to I used to teach karate
and judo and stuff. And I carried a seventh degree
black and a long time ago I was working for
Vic Tenney's.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
I was doing karate for them, and there was a
man by the name.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Of Jack Britton.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
He's want to broke me into the business. It was
Jack Britton and Gino Britto. They broke me into it
and that big one ever since?
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Wow? Was it was? It? Was it hard?
Speaker 6 (02:16):
The training when you when you started training against it?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah? Yeah, Wow?
Speaker 6 (02:20):
How long did you have to train before you had
your first match?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
About maybe three months because they said that I was
in that drill? Wow?
Speaker 6 (02:31):
How quick?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Or was it immediately that you developed your style? Which
was it seems way ahead of your time. Everything right
now is everybody wants to be hardcore, tries to be hardcore,
But you were a hardcore before.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
There wasn't before there was even a hardcore. I had
come up with that style.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well there is only one butcher and uh a lot
of things.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
But the guys are doing today they copied for me,
right and uh there was another man who.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Who started it.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Mostly was this and then when I got into it,
they said that I was better than the sheep.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I understand, so h but it was.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
The people used to when they first seen me wrestle.
The promoter jumped up and said, let's call him Abdullah.
This happened in Vancouver, and then they said, let's call
them Abdullah the butcher.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Because I was using forks, I was using this, and
I was using that, Let's call them the butcher.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Yeah, so that's how you came up.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
But before then, my name was Zealis Amera. Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
When when was your first Japanese tour and what were
your initial impressions of the wrestling in Japan itself?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Well, when I went to Japan and when the first
time they seen me, I was different, and they kept
using me and using me, and the fans loved me
because they have never seen nothing like me.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Right, So.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
That's the way.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
What were your initial impressions that the first one?
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I loved it. Yeah, I still love it.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
When did you get your first major exposure in the
United States?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Oh, sh.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I was.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
At least sixty four or sixty five, wow, because I
was on I was on the plane was hijacked to Cuba.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Really, you know, this is this is a long time ago.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I was on the East Airline. They had a big
snowstorm in New York and I was was I left from.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Uh from Montreal, flew to New York, and from New York,
I flew to UH the Puerto Rico.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Then when I was supposed to come back.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
To Montreal, I was supposed to go from Montreal Montreal,
I mean from Puerto Rico to New York and Montreal.
Right then they had a big snowstorm. So then something
else came up, so I had to.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Try and get back.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
So I said, let me take a plane to Miami
right then come and to UH in the Portico. That's
when the plane hype at Wow.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
You basically throughout your career you worked for just about
every single territory that there ever has and will be.
What were some of your favorites and least favorites and
maybe why?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Well, every place where I went, look, I loved all
of them because that was the main event I drew people.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
There's always bloody matches, a lot of excitement, so that
was it.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Was there a particular booker that that you preferred working
for rather than not or promoter?
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well a lot of promoters.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Who I worked for was Jim Barnett. I was in Sydney, Australia,
New zeal in the Auckland Perth and of all the promoters.
I didn't trust none of them, all right, you know,
I mean because they'd tell you one thing, then you
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know it would be something different, you know. So that
was it.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Wow, it seemed that whenever you would come to a territory,
maybe more so later in your career, you're come in
for one or two like.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Big matches, they bring you as a mystery.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Partner or and then you know, and then out for
a little while.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Why was that?
Speaker 6 (06:34):
Was it just the way that they wanted to use you, or.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Because of my style?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Like if I stayed there and the people kept seeing me,
look my style, like what I was doing, beating on
people and you know, getting them ascited and stuff like this,
that the promoter says, if we bring him in here
and keep him here, when he leaves the territory, would.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
You know go down. Yeah, that's what happened.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Wow, it seemed just from us anyway, from our from
our collection of tapes, we've never seen any of your
work and uh tapes tapes, rustling tapes our own personal
collection that is not for resale. We we have never
personally seen you on our own videotapes on any of
the Memphis and the Mids. You know the Memphis the
U s b A area. Have you ever worked for
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the USB A Memphis area?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Well, like, I've been all through this area a long
time ago when pet Martins used to have.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
It right you see and it wo.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Did you ever work for the U s B A
while under the Jerry Lawler running it?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Or yes, yeah you did? Wow? How was that? How
did that?
Speaker 7 (07:42):
I went in for Jerry Lawler and they asked me
to do something and uh, yeah, I picked up my
bags to leave and uh you said just a minute, no,
So we worn.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Something, know, Okay?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
You also one of the one of the early I
guess quote unquote hardcore territories was Southwest Championship Wrestling. It
even got the national exposure on the USA cable network
right before w FA National. And you work Southwest a lot.
What are your memories of working for Southwest champion Wrestling.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
There was a lot of good matches.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I wrestled a lot of good guys, big boys, small guys,
but they were good.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah. So yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
What about the Florida territory that was always a real
hotbed of wrestling.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
What the Florida territory was, Uh was a good territory
When they had a giddygreeam. But it was the same thing.
They bring me in, you know, to get the people in,
all right, and then I'd go out again, all right.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Then when the territory would go down, they'd bring me
in again and it would always jack back up. Right.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, and world class too. It seemed like you were
there like more than more than any world class coming
in for this match.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
To that match.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
What are your memories of worked for world class?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
You mean for yes, Well, I'd go in there to
maybe for the TV sposure.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
He was like cap of TV and it was going
all over inside just going there and make a lot
of TV tapes from him, right, and then if the
TV people wanted me in there, right right.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
But for the territory, I didn't care too much for it.
Brodie was there.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I like to wrestle him, you know, the by Erics,
they were so so in my opinion, you know, but
you get Killer Brooks and.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
All these other guys, the fust were in there at
that time, and you know, yeah, what.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Was what was the first time Eric like because it
seemed like that he had his promotion peaking, you know,
even when you were in there and and you were
feuding with Bruse Brodie. But then all of a sudden,
you know, he just seemed to drop overnight, his his
promotion anyway and which way you un't as far as
national exposure, as far as you know, world classing to
(09:57):
be a hot ed as far as like an up
and coming you know, territory, and then all of a sudden,
it just seemed that little.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
By little, you know, it just started going down.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, well, you're gonna realize something like a long time
ago when they had the cable TV in the fifties, right,
said the wrestling business.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
It goes to a peak, right. Then when it goes
to a peak, it's got to come down, right. And
then when it comes down and die for.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Maybe ten years or fifteen years, then all of a
sudden they explode again, right you see. And that's what's
going to happen with like with all the other TVs,
you know, the cable TVs.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
Right now, it's real hot, but it's just a matter
of time that.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It's gonna it's gonna fade out again, right, and then
all the little small territories are going to come back again.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Really, you think the small territories will come back back Wow,
you can get turn in the wrestling business without all
these territories to get young talent for the big territories.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Well, when they had like the small territories, you could
go and Chicago wrestling in Chicago because they never had
cable TV.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
You could stay there for a year or two years.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Then you could move on to maybe Calgary or Bertus,
Astaitoon or Vancouver, or if you went into New York,
nobodyknew you were in New York, right, you see what
I mean. But now since they got cable, they know
where everybody's at.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah. Sound.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
One place that we've never seen you is the World
Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Maybe back in the WWW if I don't know, but
as far as the World Wrestling Federation, we've.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Never seen you there.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
And for a guy that's been everywhere, the question has
to stick out as to why, of all places, Abdul
the Butcher has not been in the World Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
WWF you're talking about, Yes, well, they've taken me for.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
We'll like a law.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
A lot of people don't want me in New York
because of my style. You figure that I'll overpower them, right,
And they say, oh, he's a gimmick man, he's this,
you know, and uh, I would love to go in
there before I retire, before I get out, before whatever.
But the main part about it is that there's too
many people will knock me. We don't want to do
(12:17):
a little bit here because you know, they fear me.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Is it more or less the guys that are over
there on top that you come in and take their
spot or just.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
The spot?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, because every time I went into a territory, if
the territory was down, I would go in there and
bring it up.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Yeah, what I mean the guys, Yeah, you mean he's you.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Know, he's using the floor, if he's using chairs, he's
using this, he's using that, and then it's kind of
hard to follow me, you know after the finished with
the match. Right.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
It seems it seems like from what you're from what
you're saying here, you were you were a solution back
in those days that if a territory was going in,
bringing it, that was going down, bringing wozzard.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, oh I don't want to know. Check this is
catch right, this is catch.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Do you feel spending a majority of your career in Japan,
do you feel the competition is different in Japan than
it is in the United States.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And why it's the same thing, same thing. You've got
guys who who fare you over there. It's like a
lot of the American boys went over there, a lot
of the guys and whatever went over there. When they
see you wrestle, they say, damn, we can't follow this.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, so, but it's
every territory is the same thing. Yeah. I mean, it's like.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I remember, like Hogan, like when he first started, you
know what I mean. I mean, Hogan was a good guy,
you know. I people say, oh, we like Hogan because
he wasn't a top man, all right, so you got
to be a top man.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Every Oh he's no good. He's no good because he's
the top man. All right. That's it, all right.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Back in the younger back in the older days, maybe
even when you were breaking in. We're a lot of
the veterans at that time helpful to you.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
They give you a lot of No. Really, I done
everything everything.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Wow, Are you a little bitter for that? Or do
you take pride in that?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I take pride? Can I take private in it? Because
nobody give me nothing?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
You know, I worked it, and I worked it and
I got it where people say you have a little picture. Yeah,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
And even like the younger generation in Japan and even
like in the United States. You know, I walked on
a little butcher because the mothers and fathers tell him, I.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
Don't be a legend about all right, A lot of
them said good, bad and otherwise about Antonio and OK.
Guy had tremendous power at tremendous times. And you work
for Antonio and in Japan, yes, but Antonio specifically. You know,
any opinions of working for Antonio.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And NOK what he's like? You's a gentleman who's a
good man? Yeah, and uh I think he's a professional
and uh uh it's like anything else he was. He
was up top from for many years. But everybody gets
to the point where they think that I can do
(15:15):
it all by myself.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Yeah, see what I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
And he went into politician. He started being a politician
and stuff like that, and all of a sudden he
started coming down. Yeah, but for many years he was
drawing thousands and thousands of people.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Yeah, do you think it hurts in Japan when since
it's since when somebody says they're going to retire. Over there,
it's taking a lot more seriously than whenever whenever I
stuck was on TV in the United States, they're going
to retire. Do you think it has some guys like
Onita and Anoki when they say they're gonna retire and
they have the big retire match and they come back
a couple of years later.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Well, you gotta put it this way. Life is what
a gimmick to draw money is? What give me? Do
you mean?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
So somebody jumps up said I'm going to retire, they
might jump them and say, Okay, I'm going to retire.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Maybe two years later, three years later, there what their
back drawing more people.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I might be wrong, but from what I understand as
far as your Japanese career, you originally started with.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
All Japan, went to New Japan, and then went to
All Japan.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
Right crack.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Why it seems in Japan anyway, back in the earlier days,
people didn't didn't jump, You stayed.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
You know where you were. And why did you jump
so often?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Because Number One, I worked my ass off when I
went to Japan. It was just me who was the
top man. Now today they have ten guys who were
on top. I'd done it all.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I done everything to draw people. You know, you spoll
in my room, think of different things how to draw people, right,
And they didn't.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Give me the credit for that. Me and me and
Boba was together for many, many years.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And when they tried to shaft Bob, you know what
I mean, when they tried to shaft them, well, there's.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
A lot of things I can't mention about this, but
when they tried to, you know, shaft them.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I was in his corner when he started his new company,
you understanding, because him and they know he was together
when they started.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
A new company.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I worked with Bobo and I told the TV people.
They asked me, if Boba starts his company.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Would you stay with Baba? I suggests, do Is it
what I mean? And that was it.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So when people don't give you what you really deserve,
you supposed to be what you gotta run, you see.
But everybody was skipping in Japan because when they headed
the two groups, I mean, you had other guys switching
(17:59):
and Baba would bring him back, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
So it was the same thing with.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Me when I switched and I told these people, you know,
what I mean, this man's going to give me this
here stuff like that. So they knew I was leaving,
you know what I mean. So they didn't come up
and say, well, okay, we'll do this for you.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
But they didn't do it. So when I switched, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Uh, they were when they were in this territory like
when you boughted all these other guys from.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Uh from Menoki's office, Tiger singing all these guys when
they bought him in.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Yeah, and then uh, maybe a year went good and
when they started dropping, they caught two people back.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
The King Abdul of the Butcher, the King Bruiser Brody,
and we bought it up right absolutely. If you can't
talk about it on camera, that's fine. But why did
you choose Baba over a milky?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
At that time? Well, Baba was a gentleman. He was legit,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
Yes, but things change, things changed, and a class a
class of classified Baba.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
And his wife as a good friend.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Okay, you see what I mean?
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Yeah, Well, why did you leave all Japan the last time?
The very last time?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Well, I with Baba for many years and I asked
Boba said, when am I coming back, he said to me. Uh,
talked to mister Eman, talked to who for many years,
I've never talked to nobody. Now you're telling me too,
you know, called for a booking, right. I just looked
(19:54):
at him my sense of some words to him, and uh,
I walked away. But I did not switch because I
went to Japan to make commercials. Okay, And Baba thought
because I was.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Talking to little Victor. Okay, he thought that I was
getting ready to switch, that I switched.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
And then uh, it came in the paper, did a
little butchers going with such sets did not go with
those people.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Then when I read the paper with the other company,
all right, why you know? That was the question later on.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
But since since you brought it up, F MW. It
seemed to royally peak in the early nineties as the
hardcore style over there. They brought the new rope on,
barbed wire matches and and everything all that game makes
from the blood.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
It seemed perfect for Abdul, the butcher vers versus need.
That's why same thing.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, you don't want me A lot of people or
you bringing up he was gonna do this, He's gonna
suit it me. Yeah, the same thing with the Night,
they went to show with the Night. Yes, when I
went out there and done my stuff, boom boom. These
guys come up with tin cans and precures and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
They couldn't They couldn't Fotle.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Right, I mean right, So you think it was more
or less Oneita since he was the top guy himself,
and he would more or less be be wrestling you
if you went there.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Well, if I wrestle Oneita, we could draw a big money.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Yeah, I mean that's it goes back to the same thing.
They say, we gotta watch that Boule Investor.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Yeah, it's a shame because I mean there's three guys
here that would have loved to have seen that match.
But uh, but anyway you feel your match, maybe I
don't even know if you recall it, but it was
a classic and we do, and many of our our
fans and customers do. In nineteen ninety, the nineteen seventy
seven out Tag Final with You and the Sheep against
(22:01):
the Funks, It's considered by a lot is one of
the greatest matches.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
They were great matches. The Sheep was a great worker. Uh,
he had a lot of good ideas.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
I had a lot of good ideas and uh I
used to watch him a lot, and uh, but I
overpowered him, right, you see the name.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
You know don because the people said that I've done
it better.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
I mean, nobody ever ate raw chicken liberally every raw livery,
Nobody ever ate glass, nobody ever ate paper, nobody ever
ate you know what I mean. It's like to day
all these guys now who are using the floors choosing,
they never used it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
It was the only guys like the.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Who used the boards and other stuff with Bruiser Brewery,
myself and uh, what's the named King Curtis?
Speaker 9 (22:51):
And then there was another guy. He was from Canada.
Like he used to go, what's in a group of urn? Yeah,
guys like this, Yeah, we're worse. Some of your greatest matches.
My greatest matches were.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
With Carlis Cologne, Uh, Terry Funk, Lise bro.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Chic, Uh jak Isk nuth Is, Donnie O, Jonathan Tolas Brothers.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
You know, I can keep going on thirty six years.
I've wrestled everybody. Yeah, was every guy who I wrestled.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
They respect me and every promoter when they see the
houses packed, he said, Oh, but if I would have
known what I know today. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Yeah, as far as all Japan goes a little bit there,
it seemed the later years that you were there, they
didn't they didn't you used the forks and and things
like that the last the last couple of times that
you were there.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Because uh, the people there, the wrestlers there, they didn't
want it.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
They you know, they talked to you know, to the
big man, and he's coming back, bat don't let him.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Uh you see what I mean.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah, wow, I guess uh, you know, I have some names.
I'll just you know, give me an opinion on them,
whether it's one sentence or however.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
You know another guy who was a hell of h
was a hell of a performer, who was a Jewish boy.
That was Mark Lewen. Oh yeah, Mark Leewan. Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
We had many good battles. I mean not in the States,
but in uh why in Waii and uh that's the place,
uh Singapore over and uh uh Australia.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
Yeah wow, just some memes. Uh you know a Jewish boy,
this is true. Yeah, Terry Funk. You know he's still
going at it and you know he's a legend.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you still get to the he's
doing more things now, diving off the top of ropes,
doing doing flips, doing this year.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
And the guy's up there. But I give him power,
to give him credit. Do you think he'd still be
around as long as he has terry going no place?
Speaker 1 (25:43):
But I've got a lot of good ideas.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, a lot of good ideas were about stan Hansen.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Stan Hanson, we have had good fights, me and stand.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah, you know, yeah, Dusty Rhodes, great matches, he's a
pearl beside.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Uh, Carlos Colombe, Karls pom we had great matches and
uh he was a friend once upon a time. But
it's different though.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Yeah, what happened what happened to Tara? It seemed at
one point was it was hot down there and like
now you know it's like you read.
Speaker 10 (26:25):
About, but it's still hot down in the sun's zone.
You see, there's nothing wrong with remember something. A territory
is never dead when you're bringing different talent. Yeah, see,
you mean it's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Would now they got w w F, they got n
w A right, But he's still got a couple of
local groups around here. What are drawing people tell you now,
it's the little groups got together. They could draw more, right,
But everybody wants to be a kingpin.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
What happened and you might not. I don't even know
if you remember this. I'm for smoking out in wrestling.
You're supposed to come into that one big show and
you're advertising.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Then I was looked at Japan. At the last moment.
They asked me to come to Japan and I had
to go, you know what I mean? Yeah, and then
the guy he called me, I called him and told
him that I couldn't make it, and uh it was.
It was on the answer service. I said, I'm sorry,
I can't make it. I'm gonna go to Japan tomorrow.
(27:37):
And he says he called me up and said, tell
me I'm dreaming.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
No, you're not dreaming. I'm telling you so. But every
place where I was supposed to been, we sold out.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Yeah, the guy you mentioned earlier, as far as the pins,
the original Sheep, the Sheep.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, well, when I started with the Sheik, the Sheep
would never put me in Cobo Hall like he me.
I went to Uh, he sent me.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Out of territory for it was dead and I'd go
in there and I take it that with nobody and
bringing up, bringing up, bringing up, bringing up, bringing up,
bringing up, bringing up, and the sheep would come into
Brazil and his crew right and the thing go down.
But when he put me in Cobo Hall, we go
(28:41):
back again. I was I was fighting like uh like
there was another like the Indian Fello and it was
Chief White Doll. Yeah, the Chief White Doll. I fought
him and we tore the place down, and there.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Seeing Cobhla yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Then when she went into the hospital he had an operation.
Then I wanted and he took his title, you know,
started doing business there.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
But I didn't like.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Holding the belt because when we held the belt, you
had to stay in that territory.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Yeah, so that was it is that why I'll do
a Butcher didn't wrestle many title matches over his career.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
At once a belt well they would. I wrestled one
of the one of the Briscal brothers for the World's
title and I beat him for it. I had to
belt for about maybe four or five minutes. The new
switch did really they so I usually gave made bad
(29:46):
stuff like that. Wow.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
A guy that's nowadays in the in the nineties being
some compare him to you, not as far as style,
but just as far as you know his his well
in brutality.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
The Sheik's nephew Sab. You know, opinion on him is like.
Speaker 11 (30:07):
A knack of bat I mean, yeah, I could make
a lot of money with him if he fought his
uncle's way, a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
But he's a guy who wants to do flips and
that's it. He's a good worker, but that's not my style.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
He said, were you disappointed when you actually did have
your your one match with him?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
We had a hell of a match in Japan. We
had a great fucking excuse me, We had a great
match and then we tore the house down and then
but he didn't like that style.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, so he wants to take a chair, put it
in the ring, do flips and do this and break
tables and chairs.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
You know, you think a guy like that, how how
the body the told the body, I mean, how how
the body.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Can't Yeah, his body can't mass And another guy who
I I wrestled with was Captains Jack.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah, he was a little list. Yeah, Captains Jack was.
He's a great performer. Yeah, do you think the same
thing with him as far as his body.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, so you can't last long when you're uh going
in the chairs, jumping off balconies and you know, manifesting.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Of my milk. That a lot of good.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
Yeah, I mean plus that was an Israel.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Wrestled in Israel.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Oh wow, big houses in Israel.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
There was uh. We rasted thinking rooms. We rast it
in one place.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Me and Rose Brodie was solded out times the same place,
the same every night named Brody, and the people kept
coming out, coming out, coming out, picking at your people.
It takes a lot of guts. It's just as the
(32:18):
fork of the room. I'm hungry. Weat some pizza, cut
it up them. Yeah, you know, wors your hands, put
the thing on me. I'm talking here.
Speaker 12 (32:29):
Worn you want something that I can't need you Look
at this made for a butcher, look at us. No
that I cut it up just right here? I mean please,
Plus I have collies, so I can't have all this
ship on it so.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Much. You stop picking a question that just popped into
my mind.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
With all the different wrestling you did over the years internationally,
as far as you know, Israel and all the different
places you did, was there ever, I'm sure there must
have been the threat of terrorism.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
You know, be root, never forget it. I went to
Bay Route.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
I had to sneak out really and the first time
I ever seen planes, Jewish planes.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
I was sitting on the thing and said, h by
the beach and also there what is that?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
And they said, you know some of the planes would
sneak you know, sneak over and first time and I
didn't get paid. I had to sneak out.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Wow, did anything happen during the show, like inside the building?
Speaker 11 (33:46):
What it was?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
People? They were like, which way you're talking about? Like
any like like on fire or anything inside the building.
And no, no, no, this is all the planes that
are what I said. I take that back. There's one
plane you know at nighttime, you know, uh.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
I didn't see the plane, but they were firing at something.
They said it was a plane. Yeah, I mean that
was it. I gots all things considered.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
You got lucky considered all the traveling you've done over
the years, and with with all the terrorism that's out there,
you know, it something that peak.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
You know way back when, well, the first time when
I went to Israel, I leave my bank down. I've
never seen soldiers come so fast. You know, and there's
they had some kind of a machine, right, and they
(34:38):
want to pick the bag up. They said, don't ever
leave that bank. Always carry your bank with you. I've
seen a lot of uh you know over there. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
And then the other.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Countries you know where they have air ship, they had
a lot of military people.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
You know. That was it. Yeah, the guy, it's very
powerful in the business, the guy that you've wrestled the
whole Kogan opinion on Hogan.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Arrest Hogan in Japan ten times, and we have great matches.
He was going to bring me in him and Barnett
in the New York. Really something happened. Yeah, headers.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
The Headhunters, which ones, well, let's put this here way.
There's only one a bottle butcher people who other people
try to make another a little butcher, two a little butchers.
But when Vince bought him in the New York and
called him the Butchers, the people thought it was.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
A little bitcher coming in, right. I mean, but there's
only one butcher. I mean my style. They don't know
my style. Anybody can fly anybody can, you know. But
they're the young boys and there and they're good what
they do. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Wow, I don't know if you've ever wrestled him, but
but another powerful mainstay in the business, Rick Flair mc flair.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I fought Ric Flair before he was champion. I fought
him in Armillo. Good match, but flairdn't want to.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Flair never did ever mention about working with me for
the titles or matches.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Wow, a guy that, uh, some people committed. Some people
actually call him Abby Junior got wrestled for e W.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Nu Jack Well new Jack came to me one time
and he got my tapes, my wrestling tapes and everything
we see him do.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yeah, my stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
But what he does by diving off a rooftop or
a balcony, that's not me right, all right, because if
I dived up, Uh, I don't think I can get up.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Another guy, you know in the United States, maybe not
so much an Abby Junior, but has the same kind
of reputation that you had in your day.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
Another ec W wrestler, Tommy Dreamer. Have you ever seen
him for e c W.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
He's they call him the innervator of violence because he's
you know, he does a lot of a lot of
the brawling and a lot of the hardcore.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Is that the guy who drinks the beer. That's the man,
saman Well, the same man to me. He's gonna help
her give me. I like him, you like him.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
I like him.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
But the.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
He's who work w a R same show you this
summer did a six man.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
He's good.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, yeah, obviously person. I gonna throw him the to
the mix here Vince McMahon Jr.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Man in here.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, the truth.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I've never talked to the man, really, And one day
I was talking to Hogan in Japan, Vince King, and
to Hogan, I'll say, yeah, I left.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, I talked to the old man who was, in
my opinion, was a gentleman, you know, But I've never
talked to the kid. Wow. Wow, mister Pogo. Recently Wrestling
Head arrested Pogo.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
He's another one.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
He uses gimmicks. What's it's unbelievable. He uses drill drills,
he used everything.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, and when the people look at it, they should
be dead. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Jim Crockett, Jim Crockett, R. Crockett. I worked for Crockett.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Uh, the same thing goes back and bring me in there,
I bring the territory up. I'll be gone again.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah. Another guy was good.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Who was a who was a machine? That was Bata McDaniels,
Ernie Glad. I worked with Bernie Land anytimes. He was
a good uh you know yeah, Sarah Jones, right, ZAMBOI
Express that Sambo Express, kreamhond and uh Lee very Brown good. Yeah,
(39:35):
Oliliver Brown was a friend, yeah, you know yeah, and
Gray Candy.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I used to send him all over see.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
That said a lot of people all over you know, Japan,
A lot of places and a lot of boys.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
The guy that we talked about earlier Onita. You know,
I don't need it. Well, I don't need a.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I got to give him credit because he left Baba's
office started his own company.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
They done well. Yeah. So when you look at a
man who's doing good, you were, I can't knock him,
all right, you know, so whatever he does, if he.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Doesn't use me, but but I'm not gonna knock him
and say, well he's no good because you don't use
that the.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Old butcher, right.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
I mean, I mean you look at his business where
he's drawing a thousand, two thousand people. The place is packed.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Yeah, so you gotta give him credit. Uh did you
think when when he started fm W, did you think
a promotion like that built on you know, on the
game makes and the barbs could survive.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Because the Japanese people, I've never seen Keith manches, never
seen the explosions.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
They've never seen you know, I mean, I mean, it
was it was something different. It was something new, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
And then they had everybody on the car and everybody
was doing this chain matches, barb wire matches, fire you mean.
I mean, I've been around a long time. I went
to Mexico and I've seen you know, fire matches. Yeah,
you know what I mean, but I've never seen it
in Japan. But Japan took them to maid They it
seemed like you were like in the war or something.
(41:24):
And then one time the she uh, something happened in
the ring like with the fireside.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Yeah, yeah, the whole ring called fire put too much.
I mean they're lucky that. I mean that they got
all alive. Is that smoke? You have a field that
you look at the gardens like.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
This, she had like burned his whole back was after
like a year enough.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Yeah, it's dangerous when you even see the tape of that. Yeah,
but when you have matches like that, if a guy
would die. What happens if everybody want to see it again?
Everybody want to see it again? Quick repeat? Yeah, and
I guess mm hmm. The world is violent. The world
(42:14):
loves what violence? Wow?
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Do you think uh being work, working for so long
and working with Baba? Do you think seeing a note
well not even know ke, but New Japan, seeing them
change with the times as far as them get more
into gimmicks with you know, bringing the n W over
there and and doing more with the gimmickry and Bobba,
you know, staying away from that. And do you think
that's gonna hurt Baba in the long run or.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Help Bobaba is like bob is one of the sharpest
promoters in the world. When I say sharp, when other
people are saying, well let's do this, let's do that,
Baba sets back, Yeah, and he still goes throng. I
mean yeah, it's like, uh New Japan at first New
(43:05):
Japan was down for a while, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
So it's uh when you walk into a into a
building and you throw a show and you're drawing.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Eight hundred thousand dollars or more and then you're selling
uh magazines.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
It used to be twenty five cents. Now they're selling
them for ten bucks. Yeah, I mean yeah, and they're
selling them like crazy.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
So it's got to be and Bobby sixty years old
and they're getting me to go into Big Ballpark.
Speaker 6 (43:36):
Yeah, getting ready to do their first down show.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yeah, their first do. But see for that for the
first big the first million dollar house was whatever drawn
was with me, uh.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Bo Nokie taking partners and me and Tanker sing real
when you started to wow, you.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Mean showing showing the world that if you joined with
other men, Yeah, you can draw the biggest things of history.
Speaker 6 (44:11):
What about tire thing or not? I have the name
taker sing no comment?
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Okay, a guy that I think you know that maybe
you had some of some of his best matches were
with you, the late Andrew the Giant, very good matches. Yeah,
what are what are any memories you have of when
when you did the w c W run you were
a team with Norman a lunatic.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Uh yeah, you were one of the w c W.
I had no choice, okay, I had to go with him. Yeah. Yeah,
so you play their game. One time the guy said
the doing this guy is actually doing doing his little gimmick.
We want you to dance? And I looked at him
(45:01):
and says, you want who to dance? You're going to dance?
Or you want me to dance? You know you dance
to be good at to know?
Speaker 5 (45:06):
I don't do that.
Speaker 4 (45:07):
Yeah, what was there was something that's you know a
lot of people know about Halloween havoc.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
There was a lawsuit with you in w c W
over the video.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
What was that all about?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Well?
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Number one, it goes back that they needed something, right,
who could they bring in Abdullah the Butcher?
Speaker 5 (45:30):
Right?
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I was never under contract w c W. Do you
mean everybody else is under contract? They made tapes of
me and they sold the tapes. Well, they had no
right to sell my tapes, you know what I mean.
Plus I don't know if my lawyer is selling me
out or whatever. But everybody else been paid.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Who have who have took the company? You know the court,
they've been paid still to this day. Wow.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
And I called my lawyer up and you don't have
to be back. So when they get back, I'm gonna
go see him.
Speaker 6 (46:13):
I don't want to be in issues. Do you think
that that burnt the bridge with w W?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
No, because you would have put the camera for a minute.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
Okay, if you were, and I don't know if you
are even planning to go back to Japan in the
very near future, who would you prefer to work for?
Speaker 5 (46:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Are you planning to go back and going back? All right?
Speaker 6 (46:39):
Is there anything that you can talk about right now?
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Go back in?
Speaker 6 (46:43):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Who are you gonna company? Oh? Really? Okay? Wow? This
could be you know, a short this could be a
three hour answer. But uh, you know the difference in
UH in.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
The difference in UH in professional wrestling business wise or
ring wise. You know, the seventies, you know, into the
eighties and the nineties, everything, it seems every decade of changes,
you know, I mean just just you know your thoughts
on that.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
The difference is, well, let's put it this way. They
took wrestling today, and you have what it is.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
You've got entertainment movie starters, you got boxers, you got jockeys,
you got.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
People. It was like, what's the singer's name? I can't
pronounce his name?
Speaker 2 (47:41):
He used to play it to of the piano, that
little BITCHI right now there's a man like uh, this
man and little Richard they were what they were all right?
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Now, here's a man the little Roger used to run
around with a flag and this and that, and people
love to see them, you know what I mean the
same thing.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
If you can go to a wrestle match and see
Muhammad Ali, see Tina.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Turner at a wrestling match, you're gonna say, damn, we
might not ever see these people like this.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
They go it's a show business. Everything is entertainment. People
want to be entertainment.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
People who might have problems at home, or problems on
their jobs, or problems wherever, when they go to a
wrestle match, they can do what they can scream and
let everything out.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
That's the key. It's like when you go to a movie.
When you go to a movie, you want to sit
down and relax, watch a movie an hour and a
half or whatever.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
But you relax, nobody's bothering you. It's like the people
who go to a wrestling match. You got all kinds.
People want vimins, people.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Want to.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
What it seems, and we talked a little bit about
this before that the hardcore style is going I guess
you can say mainstream these days. You know, it seems
you can't turn turn a wrestling TV show without seeing
the chairs and you know sometimes tables and whatnot. You
think that's good or that's bad.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
But see the people. You've got great wrestlers, guys who
go there and grab a hole and do this. But
people don't want to see that. Yeah, they want to
see what the chairs and the table. They want to
see violence. It's the same thing like when you.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
See, uh, a woman and she's got no makeup on,
but she's a beautiful woman. Yeah right, and she's got
an ordinary dress. The friend thing you say, I you
see somebody else buff bro was type this type dout o.
Well that's great.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Everything is shure.
Speaker 6 (50:01):
Yeah you think that's good for for wrestling?
Speaker 1 (50:05):
What's it? So much of it? It'll go to a
peak every remember something. Everything feeds out. Yeah you know
what I mean. It's like if you keep your clothes, uh,
keep it for ten years, it all comes back and
comes back.
Speaker 4 (50:27):
Sure what they were, Maybe you can expand on it,
But have you achieved all your goals that you set
when you became a professional wrestler.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
I'm happy this this business, this world of only nothing. Yeah,
if I left the other day in the morrow, I
can sit down and say I lived.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah, you know what I mean, and I lived a
good life. I did not swerve nobody or a lot
of people swerve me though. But I'm not going to
say you said that this room.
Speaker 6 (51:01):
Is there anything that you haven't achieved yet that that
you want New York?
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Yeah, Madisacret Gardens.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, that's one place I like to have, even if
I stepped in the ring, even if I hit one match. Yeah,
because I've been every other place, but I have never
been in Madison.
Speaker 1 (51:22):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
Wow, you were You were actually in e c W
when it first started, when Eddie Gilbert was the booker.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
Would you ever go back to e c W. Well,
they asked me to come back for but we go
back to the same thing. Then I'm an outlaw. They
can't control. See companies like to control.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
They like to throw you a bone and see you
crawl for it. Yeah, And I've never done that.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah, because there's no saying if you don't keep your
pride what you can respect, you're a piece of ship.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
That's what the promoters think of a lot of the wrestlers.
So would you would out duel the butcher?
Speaker 5 (52:13):
Ever?
Speaker 6 (52:13):
Being a barbed wire match?
Speaker 1 (52:15):
I was in many barbar matches a long time ago.
But I hate them. There. I hate matches. One mistake
you can lose your eye. You can lose you know.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Plus, Uh, that wire is very dangerous. Send me through unit.
You could be infected. You could be because that wire
is not clean.
Speaker 6 (52:36):
R Do you ever worry about that? Over the years, Uh,
with all the bloody matches that you've been involved with, I've.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Always took care of myself. Yeah, I've always made sure
that my head was clean. Alcohol, you know what I mean. Yeah,
I've always took care of it. Yeah, antibiotics, you know
what I mean. Yeah, and the main thing.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
When you lose a lot of blood, you have to
take a nice glass of wine and you come back
to the shower and let the.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Shower that system.
Speaker 5 (53:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (53:08):
A lot of promoters, and you even expand them several times,
called you an outlaw. A lot of promoters say I'm
doing the Butcher's difficult.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah, because they couldn't control me, you know what I mean.
Like a lot of people say Hogan. I mean, Hogan,
it's powerful, you see you know. Yeah, I mean so
if Hogan jumps up says a goodbye New York, take
them back to dad World.
Speaker 2 (53:37):
Yeah, I mean so when when you hear promot say
i'll never use that son of a bitch, that means
you're gonna use you. And they have said it many times,
I'll never use that abroom of the butcher. If I
didn't like something, goodbye?
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (53:57):
Would you ever retire from professional Russell?
Speaker 1 (54:02):
Tell you the truth, I'll I'll be dying in the room.
Really yeah, I'm probably dying in the room, you know,
I mean yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
And that said that to my like my my wife,
my mother, and then when you're gonna quit, it says mom,
I'll probably dying. She was funny and strange, but you
never know because I love this business. Wow, I don't
want you started crying taking these.
Speaker 6 (54:30):
If you were to die in the ring, would you
be happy dying in the ring?
Speaker 1 (54:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (54:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (54:36):
Wow?
Speaker 6 (54:37):
Has uh?
Speaker 1 (54:38):
I not where somebody's gonna cover me?
Speaker 6 (54:39):
One, two, three, I still kick out.
Speaker 4 (54:45):
There's been a lot of conflict over the years with
with guys just saying you come into the territory and
in your schedule to face an opponent or even these
days and they just say the guys us to say
I'm not rustling, I'm doing it, but never really.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Never, Uh, guys, who I used to wrestle on TV.
The first thing when they came in, they'd run to
the wall and oh, oh, I'm glad they don't have him. Yeah,
but the top guys.
Speaker 1 (55:11):
You know, they love to work with me. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (55:14):
Wow, Yes, there's no one, no no way, sugar cut.
The question, are you are you tough on young guys
when you're in there with a young guy?
Speaker 1 (55:24):
No? No, no, Yeah, because everybody's trying to make a living.
Speaker 5 (55:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
I don't stop nobody from making a living. Yeah, because
if you stop somebody, maybe they're trying to feed their family.
They're trying to feed their mother. Maybe they're trying to
feed No, I don't have time for that, yeah, said,
they don't have time for it.
Speaker 4 (55:42):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (55:43):
Being in the business thirty something years now, what is
that toll taking on your body?
Speaker 2 (55:49):
My body, well, since that I'm not in the wrestling
business that much, my joints sometimes are a little sore. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
But but what I've been there waiting, it's just like
because I'm used to going yeah. Yeah, I guess when
you condition yourself after so many years. Yeah, yeah. It's like.
Speaker 2 (56:15):
There was a promoter who booked me here, the son
of a bitch, give me the earliest flight that he
could get me, and I had to be up.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
At in the morning. Yeah, I'm about an hour away
from from the airport, right, Yeah, not my fault. I
don't want to do no name, but he's in the room.
And then when he got me here, Uh, we didn't
do nothing but went to a restaurant and showed time.
Speaker 8 (56:50):
Speaking of restaurants, want to talk about how you got
involved with yours in Georgia, how that all came about.
Speaker 1 (56:56):
You recently had an article right now.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Yeah. Yeah, Uh, A lot of people say, why do
you open up a Chinese restaurant, not a little bit
of house of ribs. I'm different, you see. My mind's
always thinking, my wife's mind's always thinking about how to
(57:17):
do this different.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yeah. Do mean why are you guys are there with
the video you see instead of it instead of a wrestler,
you do know what I mean? It's like he's here,
you know, signing right autography? A wrestler should have that business.
Ye mean, they do not think you see?
Speaker 2 (57:41):
I mean somebody else has got to come in and
take it over. It's like, uh, you know the k
Faid sheep, right, the same thing. Do you know what
I mean there was an outsider. Do mean do anything
with wrestlers know how to do is go in there
and do their stuff, but they don't think about business
on the side. You don't think about it. See, and
(58:04):
that's why, like it's I gonna tell like a lot
of the wrestlers, Hey, you're in the wrastlal business, but
you got to think about other businesses, you know, because
when it when this is finished, I mean, there will
not be a lot of guys around like me, you
know for these many years.
Speaker 5 (58:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (58:24):
Oh yeah. Have you ever had a major injury that
has kept you out for a long period of time?
I printer died ten years ago, but not from the
wrestling business. I had to believe alser and I was
at home. I took a bump.
Speaker 2 (58:42):
It wasn't for my wife grabbing my legs, picking my
legs up where the blood can go to my brain
out of bed. Really, I got split from here all
the way up to here. Yeah, if you want to
see that, it's extra.
Speaker 4 (58:58):
Pas Uh do you wanna do you want to wrestle again?
For a national provist in the United States? In which way,
as far as uh television, television is huge now as
far as wrestling in the United States, you know they
have five million people in every Monday night watching wrestling.
You want to get back into that as far as uh,
(59:20):
you know, do you want to be part of be
seen whether as five million people?
Speaker 1 (59:23):
Are you happy just doing what you're doing? Wow?
Speaker 2 (59:28):
I would love to go back on the TV. Yeah,
you see to mean, you know, it's like when you
look at all the movie stars. Yeah, you know they
get old, but the lungs of their face looks good. Yeah,
you know, they can still make movies, right, so you
start fading away when happens the movies. You see, you
(59:51):
gotta realize the new generation, the younger generation, they know
what do the butcher the hardcore that this and that,
this and that. Right, but if I cannot produce, they
don't want.
Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
To see me.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Right, it's always too old. But the lungs I can
keep producing. And it's in Japan have those which you
have never changed this town? He still goes yea, Now
if I was.
Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Looking old, you see, even you throw the house down tonight,
everybody was I have to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Yeah. See, anytime that you have a main event or
whatever you have, I'm going to go in there. And
try to overpower it. If I don't try to overpower it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
See, anytime I walked into a territory, I would say,
in so many weeks, I would be there.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Yeah, that's what you gotta think. When you're a top
man or you're on the bottom, you got to say
I want to be there, you see.
Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
Yeah, it's amazing with the longevity in the is still
the minute you walked walked through the curtain tonight, the
house went nuts to play.
Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
It's like, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
Even young fans that you know, maybe I hadn't seen
you on TV in five years, you know, in the
United States, they still went nuts.
Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
I mean it's amazing. See the people still remember me.
Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
The mother and the father's take a little bitcher, they
tell the kids, Yeah you five twenty five years old.
Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Yeah, so figure who told you about that? A little bit?
Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I remember reading about your wrestling magazines before. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
It's kind of funny that you brought that up, because
my next question I was getting into is the three
of us here.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
You know, we've seen matches.
Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
You know, we're twenty five, all of us here, twenty five,
twenty six, and we've been fans since we were eight
or nine years old, right, And there's one match that
we still talk about all these years, and that was
you against Bruce of Brodie And while in New Jersey
on an independent show several years ago. There's what we
talk about. It is because at the time all I
saw was wrestling in the ring, wrestling in the ring,
and it was the first time we've ever seen anybody
terror building up the broomsticks called the bathroom, just need
(01:02:02):
the chairs, and all the guys, the new guys in
e c W everywhere we say, you know you're not
gonna leave. Ten years ago we saw this or whatever
it was. You know, I mean all your matches with
Brews of Brodie were classic. You know, in our opinion,
what are your memories of the Bruis of Brodie feud
and your matches.
Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
He was a pro.
Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Yeah, when I say a pro. He knew how to
he knew how to produce. But he learned his style
from King Curtis.
Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Jimmy. King Curtis was.
Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Good friends. See Curtis started all that. It was King
Curtis used to walk the chairs. He was King Curtis
used to take the chairs, throw them up in the air.
It was King Curtis does what I mean, you see
a lot of people don't remember King Curtis. King Curtis
was the one who'd done a lot of it. When
(01:02:55):
you stepped King Curtis, he could walk the chairs. He
fought over the top of the chairs. You don't mean
like he was dead.
Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Ye mean, I mean you've got a lot of guys.
Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
In this business who are who are prose doesn't mean
but a lot of people never never heard about them?
Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
Yeah, absolutely, But uh no, it's a mass we still
talk about to this day. You know, we're talking about
the five million people that watch wrestling every Monday. Are
you one of those five million people? You watch the
Monday show?
Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
No, I might turn it on and turn it off. Yeah,
because everybody's doing the same thing. You know what I mean,
if if a promoter would sit down and ask the
guy who's on the desk, and who's the announcer who's
sitting there, you know, and say, what are the people saying?
(01:03:53):
Because the first thing that one guy throws a lariat. Yeah,
the next guy comes out, he throws lariat. You know,
I mean, everything is the same. And one time Jim
Burnard asked me, he says, the patrollers. Everybody's doing the
same thing. I said, why don't you ask the guy
and said at the desk there for the whole three
(01:04:13):
hours or whatever.
Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I've ever thought of that is you mean, yeah, I
mean when you look at it, how many gimmick bets
can you have?
Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
It's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
That was like tonight, like when they said, like, you know,
the nun, when the people said get the nun, I
did not even see the nun. Yeah, until you know
he got scared and started back and up.
Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Yeah. Then I followed through with it. You have to work.
It's funny too, not that not that this is even
a question or anything.
Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
We were in Japan and we were to prefer it's
some of the f m W shows and other face
over there. You know, it's all things that we chased.
The people, you know, through the crowd saw and we said,
you know, why why you ever come to the United
States and do that? He said, nobody would move, you know.
But the thing is, when I goes to the crowd,
they move, you know. It's it's it's wild when you
think about it.
Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
You know that you can see people fear me. Yeah,
you know they say he is crazy. Yeah, you know,
I mean after people see me do so many things.
I mean, who's gonna eat grow liversa chickens, you know
what I mean? Yeah, and the people he's crazy. And
(01:05:35):
then I just look at you and stare at you
and anyways.
Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Yeah, wow, how did you how did you come up
with that? It was just natural, said, your your eyes,
your look, you're you.
Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
Know, just being a scary scary fear.
Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Yeah, fear. It's the same thing. It could be somebody
who could could be big. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Right, and if you just look at him, if you
look at a woman, or you look at somebody's eyes,
you keep staring at him.
Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
Yeah, they start doing what they start going exactly right.
Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
A person who lies, you can't stare at you. He's
got to be what because he's lying, you know what
I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
Wow, match it happened a couple of years ago with
Bradley a fire match.
Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
That what happened with that hat? That match.
Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
I went to the hospital for six weeks. Wo had
to change it. Guys want to see it? Yeah, money
and the money is to show my body.
Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
All right, Well, apparently we're not going to see the
Apparently we're not going to see the scar.
Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
You got to burn yea here all oad to there?
I got the scar. Yeah, go ahead, I'll think about it,
think about it.
Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
But what went wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
With that match? The kid was nervous?
Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Yeah, the doctor said when they got me, when they
hit here, if I wouldn't turned my head, I've been
blind today and I swore no, son of a bitch. Whatever,
excuse me, my age, whatever, throw fire on me again.
If I had have kept my eyes.
Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Like this, everything would have been burned. Everything would That's
the first time I've ever went to an hospital. I mean,
I've been to a hospitals to be sewn up. You know.
I don't know if you've seen the rastling tape where
they were sewing me up. Yes, I have, actually yeah,
(01:08:03):
but uh oh, lucky to walk away from that. Really
it was that bad.
Speaker 7 (01:08:10):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
It was bad. Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
And when the people smelled the flesh, when they smelled
that flesh, and all of a sudden, this whole.
Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Thing was pink. Yeah, it was pink. The people saying wow.
Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
Any questions you guys have to add?
Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Was there any.
Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
You had a Matthew Jerry Lawler a couple of years
ago to death yeah, exactly death. Did you just not
like the guy or.
Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Well, see, I'm not used to people talking to the people.
I'm going to do this and do that. Yeah, and
when you get it, you don't do nothing? Right, what
were you guys there? We just recently act Yeah you
did and then almost ring somebody else?
Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
Yeah by Bradley set up for the fire match.
Speaker 6 (01:09:09):
Actually yeah, right right, That's why I asked, because that
match you.
Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Just beat the hell out you know that match?
Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
Well, you know, there's nothing else I have to add,
you know, other than the fact that you know, we
wish the prosperity and longevity and you know, another thirty.
Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Years you know, in the wrestling business.
Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
I mean, you know, you know you've scared us many
times and you know given us just as many throws.
Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
Thank you, Yeah, I mean you helped make the three
of us wrestling fans.
Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Well, I'll tell you every time that I when I
sit down at a table going to a restaurant and
I'm meeting the people, always say, you know, leave the Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Definitely, thank you all right, very much and good luck
to you. All right, thank you, thank you? All right,
everything okay, very good. Well, you know, wait, a minute.
I'm very tired of these cheap, cheap, cheap.
Speaker 10 (01:10:18):
People who's trying to make money from abdulh the Butcher
by making my t shirts, by making my video tapes
out there selling them.
Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
If I ever catch you, I'll take this damn fork
and I'll stab it in your head. You're facing to
your ass into your body. Don't be selling my merchandise
unless you're.
Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Paying me for it. That goes for the shoot interview,
isn't that correct? That goes for this interview too, this
interview too. Thank you. And my good friend is George. Yeah,
I've been knowing him for twenty eight years. I've been
knowing his wife and his two boys. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
We're going to take a look. I'm gonna take a
look at the burn. This is the burn of the
match with Blu Bradley.
Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
And this is a split. And I want to show
you now how much more you say for that? For this?
Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (01:11:25):
Oh, that's whereas where you can step a coin in there?
Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Let you put the coin. I'll do it, yeah, I'll
do it here tangled that no, come on the other side,
which whis the big one? Here? Said one? Here? Yeah? Oh, unbelievable, unbelievable.
(01:11:51):
What are you doing.
Speaker 9 (01:12:00):
You're shipping your ship, You're nearly shipping your pants when
they grabbed you.
Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Part. Thank you very much, appreciate it.
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