"Bad News: The Most Feared Man in Wrestling Speaks 👊"

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome to another edition of the R and Video Shoot
Interview series today joined by a very special guest, a
true legend in the sport of professional wrestling, Bad News Alan,
Thanks for being here today.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Oh, thank you for having me here. And I don't
know about the legend, but thank you for having me
here anyway.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
No problem. My first question, were you a wrestling fan
growing up?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
No? I wasn't. Actually.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
I used to watch wrestling until I was ten years
old and my youngest sister I picked her up and
gave her a body slam, and that was the end.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
In my family. My father said, no more wrestling, you
can't watch it.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
And then for a long time I didn't watch it
because I got into the martial arts and everything, and
at that time, the wrestlers were really in bad shape,
and I said, I don't want to do that.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
You know, right, what age did you actually start getting
in judo?

Speaker 1 (00:45):
That's what you studied, right, Yes, I studied when I
was eighteen.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Okay, well when did you actually realize that you were
good at it?

Speaker 3 (00:53):
When I went to my first tournament, I actually wanted it,
told me I was a white belt. They said, okay,
if you can win two matches, we'll promote you to
brown beout.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Well, I won the whole thing. I beat five guys,
so that day, Wow, I figured I'd be good at it.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Where did you grow up?

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I grew up in Well, first I was born in Hollow,
New York, and then I grew up a few years
in the Bronx, and then we moved to sant Ovis, Queens,
where my mom to the States, still lives there, and
that's where I grew up at.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Now you actually got into the Olympics, I believe yes.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
In nineteen seventy six in Montreal, I was a member
of the US Olympic team.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
How did that come about?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
How did it come about? Just hard training? Well, I
was five times the national.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
USA U champ and I won two gold medals in
two different pandem games, and this is off for judo,
This is off for judo.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
And then they had an Olympic trials out in la
and I won that.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
So I made the team and then they set me
off to Montreal and I wound up winning the Bronce medal.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
How was that like representing your country?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Oh, it was a great feeling.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
The first time I actually stood on the podium of
an international tournament nineteen sixty.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Seven, the Pan American Games, and I went to gold
medal unbeknouncing to everybody. Because they picked Doug Rogers, who
won the silver medal in the nineteen sixty four Olympics.
They figured he was going to be the favorite and
I was unknown, and I actually beat him and wind
up win the goals.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
So you weren't at the Olympics in seventy two then
with the hostage.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
No, I actually uh tried out for the Olympic team
and I blew my knee out and I was actually in.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
The hospital itself watching it on TV.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
What was it training for the Olympics?

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Very very difficult, very difficult. I was always famous for
training really hard. You know, I trained hard. I enjoyed training,
and it was really really strenuous and it was difficult,
but you know, you got through it because you wanted
to accomplish something and that was me.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Do you feel that was the competition? How was the
what other countries?

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Like?

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Did you compete against our top countries? And was Russia
one of the top.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Japan was the top because you know it was more
or less born in Japan, but the.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Russians were tough.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
You're countries though they didn't compete in that Olympics, So yes,
they did. In the seventy six they did in the.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Seventy six they did.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
They competed, and they were all tough, you know, like
all these guys they just trained judo every day. They
didn't have a job and the government paid them, which
we all had to get a job, you know, and
so you trained the bestage that you could.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
We did a shooting you with Dan Severn and he
said when he did wrestling, like regular not professional wrestling,
he said a lot of times he would go like
the Turkey and like Eastern Bloc countries, some pretty horrible experiences.
Any horrible experiences traveling, like during your time competing.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
No, and judo. No, because I enjoyed myself. We traveled
all over the world, and we went.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
To Europe and we trained there, and I was in Japan.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
I trained in Japan and everything, so we always had
good times there. I think my crazy experiences was getting
into the wrestling business.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
You know, what kind of career could you have had
in judo if you didn't get into wrestling.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Well, if I could have made money, I would have
never got involved in wrestling because wrestling was my first
love and it still is still my first love today.
And I would have if I could have made money
into it, I would have stayed in the judo.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
And I always tell people, you know, you hear guys
talk about how they got into wrestling because they you know,
they enjoyed it, they loved it, and everything I tell everybody,
I always had a saying I was in it for
the for the bank book because I had to scrabe.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
How did you get into the business.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Well, I got into the business. I was actually my coach,
my judo coach. You wanted me to continue to compete
because the time that I retired, I was at the
best that I could be. When I was thirty four
years old and I was well, actually that time I
was thirty three. I was the oldest in the tournament.
But there was so much politics involved. They actually tried

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to stop me from going to the Olympic Games itself,
or even getting to the trials because I was so
hated with the politicians. So once I got in there
and I beat everybody and I made the trials, I
made the team, I just had a bad taste in
mind said enough sent enough for ready, I'm just gonna
move on to something else. So he said, well, what
do you want to do. I said, I have no idea.

(05:21):
He said, okay, why don't you take off a year
because you trained on the years very hard, and he said,
and then I got something in mind for you. So
then he came back with this idea a year later,
how about going into pro wrestling? And I just busted
out that and I said, kid, I don't want to
do that phony ball on me stuff, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
He says, no, We're going to send you off to Japan.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
He says over there they trained like they did it
because I was over there before training for judo in
nineteen seventy and he says, they pretty much trained like that.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
And then plus you could still go and work out
at the dojo's there if you want to. Okay, that's
a good idea.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
I always liked Japan anybody, so I thought it was
and that's how I got involved.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
What were your initial impressions of Antonio Noki.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Antonio Nuki the guy I thought was very smart, had
a good head on his shoulders. He wasn't the greatest
worker in the world, but he knew how to put
himself over.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
He knew how to put butts in the seats, and
he was.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Like a lot of the guys, like a guy like
Hogan I felt, who was a good talker, had a
lot of charisma, but wasn't a great worker.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Is that who you first met was an Oki? Is
that how you got connected with Yu Japan?

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well?

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, I actually met Saka Gucci first because he was
the vice president of the company and Mstershima, who was
the secretary treasurer of the company. He actually my coach,
who was from Japan, knew somebody in the press there
and he talked to them because he said and Nuki
and them were looking to recruit different people.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
They wanted to do differently. They want to pick people
in from the martial arts because he did that thing
with Mohammad Ali.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
So they said they wanted they were looking for somebody,
and so they suggested me. They checked out the Olympics
from the Japanese TV and they liked what they saw.
So then they came to New York and my coach
took me down there and we worked out a deal.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
And that's how I got Were you in there first
or was it like Willie.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Williams was, Yeah, I was in there before.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Well you were, okay, so Willie Williams was kind of
brought in after you.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Okay, what was the training like in Japan when you
got over there? Like take us to a typical day?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Well, for me, the training was easy. After training for
the Olympics, you know, training for pro wrestling. That was nothing,
you know, but the typical day for me, because everybody
trained a little different.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
I used to get up six o'clock in the morning
and I'd run for an hour. I'd do jogging and
then i'd do wind sprints and everything, and then i'd
go back and i'd eat breakfast, and then around ten
o'clock or eleven o'clock they'd send the car for me
to go to the dojo, and we started from two,
from twelve o'clock until two, and we'd work out there.
We'd start out with doing squats and do a thousand squats,

(07:50):
and we'd jump rope and we'd do.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
A lot of calisthetics, free calisthetics before we actually got
into the ring and they would start to show you
what to do. But when I came in because I
was called what they called a shooter who could really
do it. They used to have a lot of the
young guys in there and they'd have me show them stuff,
and then I'd get in there and I'd stretch a
few of.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
And everything, and then we'd go over the moves and
all that.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Did anybody ever try to test you and training it all.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
In training in Japan?

Speaker 3 (08:18):
No, But I had a few in the ring and
tried it and they were sorry they did it.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
As far as adjusting and learning how to bump and
stuff like that, how was that for you?

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Well, you know, that's the first thing you learned to
judo is how a fall properly if you can't fall
and you want going to get seriously injured. So it
was pretty I just took to fish. Yeah, it just
came natural to me. And I always made it a
policy because I was what they call a guy Gene's
a foreigner. I was the only one there at the time,
so I always made it a policy to be the
first one in the doju, the last one on me.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
So they liked me for that because I trained hard.
I didn't whine and cry and get you who.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Else was in your class? Anybody else that made it
into the business.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Okay, well, you have wearing risking there was. He was
a world judo champion.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
He was also the Olympic gold medalist in the seventy
two Olympic Games.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
He won actually two gold medals in a heavyweight and
open class.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
He was there three years before me, but he just
he was from Holland in Europe, but he just never
could get the concept of pro wrestling. And after about
six years they figured, well it was a waste of
time trying to really teach them, so they let him go.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
What was the biggest misconception you might have had about
the business before you started training.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
Oh, the honesty I always felt because I was in
the martial arts and in Japan, it's a disgrace not
only amongst you, but amongst your family to actually give
you a word.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
To somebody and then you don't keep it, you know.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
But then I found, you know, I was in Japan
and I was there for a year to break in,
and it was pretty much the same thing. Everybody your
money was there was no nonsense, no screwing around. And
then finally when I came to America, back to the
States to work and work for the different promotives, it
was a different story.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Wrestles were in your class as well.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Okay, it was me, Like I said, I was there
because used to go back and forth. And then the
next ones that actually came in was Chris Benoir.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Will.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
I helped to get him over there because they asked
me when I came up went to Canada to wrestled
for STU. I didn't like the way the Hearts treated him,
so I asked Nuki if they could bring this young
boy over and put him in the dojo and train him,
and they said sure, and so they.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Said, have the pickerwork worked out with the girl. Her
name was Chica in La and then they said, then
Will arranged for him to come over there, and that's
how he got there, was by me helping him get there.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
And then they had two Cold Scorpio he was there,
and I'm trying to think one of Pat Tanaka was there.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Also were the Bulldogs in before you No I actually
met I met Dynamite over there when he was twenty.
They used to bring him in to work in our company,
worked with the junior heavyweights, and then about a few
years later they brought in Davey boy I met when
I first went to Canada, to work for two in

(11:08):
nineteen eighty two, and then I was living in Australia,
so I went back home. And then when I came
back in eighty three, I met Davy Boy. At that time,
he was eighteen years old, but he came over like
maybe four or five years after Dynamite.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Memories of out your first match in Japan? What was
that like?

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Well, I was with Seiji Saka Gucci, who was also
a judo guy. He was in New.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Japan for Wrestling champ and he was six with six
Japanese clumsy as hell.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
So my coachure arranged it for me.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
They said, Okay, if you want Saka Gucci to win, said,
Alan worked all these years to get where he got,
then you're gonna have to take him after this match
and let him become part of your company and teach
him to wrestle.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
And that's how the deal was made.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Did they bring you in with the press and everything
that you were brought in as an Olympic champion and
all that.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, there was a lot of fan fair Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
And actually I always told a story about how I
got my name. The first name was Buffalo Island. They
actually had this contest before I came over there, and
I don't know who some kid wanted by naming me
Buffalo Island. I hated that name, and they made a
big thing out of it. I mean when I got
off the plane, they was like pressed there and there
are just thousands of people, and I was overwhelmed because

(12:20):
you didn't have that in Judo.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
You know, right, what were the politics like at the
time in New Japan?

Speaker 1 (12:27):
In New Japan, there was no politics at that time.
It was just Antonio Nouki was the president, Saka Gucci's
vice president Msushima and everybody else did what they were told.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Did any of the Americans ever like mentor you at
the time on the tours at.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
That time, No.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Until I got to the States, I met the Rock's grandfather,
Peter my Veer, who I became more like a son
to him, and he used to come over there on tour,
and so he said, when you come back to the States,
if you come into New York to work, you're going
to travel with me. So I used to travel with him,
and when I got to the States, I had him
and Chief J. Strongbow, who I got a lot of

(13:04):
good advice from, who was the one that actually came
up for me to use the ghetto blaster as a finish, right, WW.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
What are some of your memories of a chief j
Quite a character.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
He was something else.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
There was a guy that could make money, make a
lot of money off doing nothing. You know, he getting
in He'd danced around the ring. He look out at
the people and they would go crazy. And it was
just amazing to see him work because he wasn't a
great worker, but he just knew how to just work
the people.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Were you at the company in New Japan when they
had the problem, I think it was with Shima with
the whole money.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Scanned the well.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
I think personally that mister Shima took the took the
fall for Enuki and Sakka Gucci because ten million dollars
went missing. They said that mister Shima had something to
do with it, but none of that money can be
moved without Uki and Sokau having something to do, right,
So I think he took the fall for them.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, I was good.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
I was right there because actually I was sitting in
a restaurant in Japan and it came on. It was
big news over there and it came on TV, and
at that time I still couldn't speak the language as well.
And I asked them what was going on, and they
said they told me what was happening. And I'm thinking
there's some a little suspicious here, because how is this.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Guy gonna take off for ten million dollars and these
guys don't know about it when they they have to
have their names on the checks.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
I hear a lot of stories from the veterans and
everything with like the yaku's, like how did the sponsors
treat you?

Speaker 1 (14:35):
And everything?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Any crazy stories.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
They just loved us there for some reason, the Yakazan
loved all the bad guys right, so anytime we'd go
into they would always take us out, winnus dinas, give
us money, you know, we'd go sign over the graphs.
They give us thousands of dollars at the time, take
us to the best restaurants we need Kobe steak, which
is the best steak you can ever eat. And of
course you have to go to different nightclubs and meet

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the friends. And but they really took care of because
they liked the bad They liked all the bad.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Guys like Tiger, Like the most sponsors are a lot of.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Tiger and a Butcher, they had the most sponsors.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
How was Tiger like you? Hear a lot of stories Tiger.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
You know, he's like a lot of these guys in
this business. They're out for themselves, you know. He was
the same thing with that. Do I love that Dudler? Socially?
The gu out with him was a lot of fun.
I enjoyed being with him. But if you had to
do business in the ring with him, he was tough.
He was just really difficult.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
How did you feel.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
I heard a lot of stories, especially from Kamala, that
Abdullah would take a lot of money for booking guys
and everything. I thought that was right or wrong? Oh?

Speaker 3 (15:37):
I thought that was totally wrong, you know, because I
booked a lot of guys in Japan and I never
charged him at Dome. You know, I just figured, this
is my chance to help somebody out. Somebody helped me
to get there. If I can help somebody out, fine,
you know. But I never charged anybody at dim I
never trust Chris get him over in Japan.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I never charged anybody, you know. I just that was
my nature to help people. But that du do that,
and I thought that was wrong.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
That was h Ray Candy. Did you know him well.
I heard him that had a lot of heat.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
I love Ray. He was quite the character. I was
down at Florida with him and they had us tagged
up together a few times, and then they switched him
off and we worked a program with each other.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
But Ray was a good guy. Though you know, broke
my heartwood he passed away, but he's good people.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
What are some of your early matches, your early memories
of some of your matches with Andre the Giants in
the seventies.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Well, the first time I met him, it was funny.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
He came over because he was a big drawer in Japan.
Big draw Actually the first tour that I was on,
I wasn't actually on the tour. I worked with Saka Gucci,
and then they took me on tour with them to show.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Me what was going on. And he was on the
tour and he was just a big car.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
So after a couple of years, they they had me
in a match with him and the tag and I
looked up at him and I'm going, man, is this
guy big. I just can't believe how big he was.
He was before he became injured and he started having
problems and everything.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
He was one hell of a worker for a big guy.
He set the standard for the giants. You know. I
think there's still a giant today that could do what
he did.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
What happened on the bus between you and well, yeah, yeah,
I was on the bus and Dusty Roads was on
the air, and actually Hulkogan was sitting behind me and
I used to sit two seats from their front, and
he was in the back there, and I don't know
if he's talking to Dusty.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
I think Chavol Senior was on there too, And he
started making these racist remarks and he started throwing the
in word around and everything, and.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
I'm like half sleeping on them. I can't believe it.
I'm hearing what. So then I said, I said not,
I said.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Giant, Yeah, what is it? I said, you cut watch
your mouth. I said, I don't like what you're saying.
I said, this an insult to me, you know. And
so he didn't say nothing. And then he as the
bus was going, he says all bad news. I said, yeah.
He says, go fund yourself. So I told the bus
pull over. I said, pull over. I said, you come
on out this bus, and you tell me that to

(17:59):
my face. He wouldn't get off the bus, and Stan
Hansen was there too, and then we got off the
bus to the hotel and stand was trying to because
he knew I was just really just pissed off, right,
and he says, hell Na, he's drunk.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Don't worry about I said, I don't want to hear that,
and I went out to my room and I didn't
sleep all night because it really bothered me, you know.
So the next day I came down early and we
were going to the next town and I was waiting
by the elevator, and.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
As he got off the elevator, I said, Andre, I
wanted to talk to you or what is it. I said,
let's go outside, and he didn't want to go. I said, no,
let's step outside if I wanted to do something to you.
I jumped as soon as he got off the elevator,
let's go outside right now. And I told him, I said, look,
I don't appreciate the way you were talking on the bus.
I said, you never hear me insult your people. He said, well,
you know on Polish and people. And I said, you

(18:46):
don't hear that from me. So if you feel that way,
that's your business. I don't have to listen to that nonsense.
You know, I said, don't let me ever hear you
say that again. So he apologized, and for quite a
while there it was tension between us.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
We never would speak.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
We were always on different tours, the same tour and everything,
but we never spoke. But before he passed away, we
buried the hatchet. You know, we sat down and we
talked about it.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
How did you wind up in on New York for Vince?

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Well, at that time, New Japan used to be in
partners with Vince Senior. They used to do business with
them because New Japan Pro Wrestling would use all of
Vince's talent, like they used to have that Madison Square
Guard Tour and the Madison Square Garden tac Team Tour
and all the guys were all from New York.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
So he would use them, so he was in partners
with them.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
So after they that was there a year, Antonio Nuki
saw something and he says, you know, we got a talent,
and uh, we got a diamond in the rough here.
I want to send him to different places and haven't
smooved it out. So they sent me with.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Vince Senior and uh uh Nuki told him. He says,
I want him treated right, you know, he says, this
is gonna be one of my future guys. And Vincent
was said, no problem with tech.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Here more initial questions of Vince Senior.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
I thought he was quite the man, you know.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
He was the kind of guy that you shook hands with,
you made a deal with, and he kept his word.
It was no bs and no signing contracts and then
stabbing in the back like Junior does. And he was
like the old time, old school kind of guy. You
gave your word, you kept it.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
That was it was Toots still involved in Toots. I
don't know who to Washington in Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
What are some of your early memories of Vince Junior.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, Vince Junior, he was good on the mic and
he should have stayed on there. You see.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Vince Junior's problem was he was trustrated because he wanted
to be one of the.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Boys and his dad wouldn't let him.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
And once he got the power and everything, and then
it just went totally to his hand.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
We'll talk about him later on, definitely. So memories of
wrestling in MSG for the first.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Time, the Master Square Garden, Yeah, oh, that was quite
a quite a treat, you know, to go there and
actually there's twenty two thousand people telling you they'd like
to kill.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
You early on. You pret much the prelims for those guys.
Is that just because they didn't want to push it,
because they knew they were therefore.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Well they should not. Because I was green as grass.
I just came out of Japan. I was there for
a year. What the heck did I know? You know,
it took I always says, it took a good five
years for me to know my way around the ring.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Because I was in the ring, not like these young
boys today. They were in there once a month, twice
a month. I was working every night in Japan. I
was fortunate. Plus, at that time, there was a lot
of territories in the United States. It was like thirty
three different territories. They had their own TV and everything.
Vince Senior had good relations with everybody, so they never
stepped on nobody's toes. So I was there to learn.

(21:39):
I wasn't there to be pushed. So you know, they
kept me in the middle of the card. They took
care of me, and I was there to learn. Then
they moved me on to LA, and from there I.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Was gonna ask you members of work in LA and
for Geno.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
Bel I worked for, actually worked for Mike. Gene was
an old judo guy too.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
He was a national champ of a few years before me,
and he was quite the character. Every time I got
home with Jeene, I just would left my head up
because the guy was just totally hysterical and as far
as Mike when he was cheap as hell, he tried
to screw you if he could.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
But it was good for me there because I was
learning again. I learned to use the mic and everything,
and I was learning different styles. Plus I was home
every night. I was living with my sister out there.
One of my sisters was out there, and so I
was actually.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Home every night.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
So is it good easy territory? Yeah, it was easy
territory at that time. You didn't make no money, but
what the heck? Anyway, I was. I was there to
learn because I was getting paid from New Japan for
a rest and also so I was actually there to learn.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
What are your members of the guerras from that time period.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Egos Egos Egos Eddie turned out to be hell of
a guy. I met him when he was ten years old.
And actually the next time I ran into him was
in Japan. He was working and he came up to
me and he says, you remember me? Like, oh no,
he says, I'm any Grera. I said, oh, the little
fat kidd you know, yeah, that was me. And I
couldn't believe it. But both the three brothers are all jerks.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
What are your members of Almadrol Al Madrid?

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Another jerk? Why is that just a well, you know,
it's unfortunately a lot of these guys getting this business
and they started believing in ops.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
You know, they don't realize this is just show business.
You're in there to make money, you know, why get
in there? I think you're something that you're know.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
You went back to w w w F in December
I think eighty one for a tag match involving Ricky Choshu.
What are your members of that match and how did
it get over with the crowd?

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Well?

Speaker 1 (23:30):
I think it got over. I forget who my partner's
name was. I think he passed away. That was a
tag match.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
I think yeah, Saka Gucci and Koshu, And I can't
remember the guy that was my partner. He was from Ohio,
somewhere and it was all right. Like I said, I
was still learning, so I pretty much was. I was
in there with three other guys that had more experience
than me, so I was just following the crowd.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
You went back to Japan obviously for New Japan, and
I think you worked with two over there, and yeah,
around nineteen eighty.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
What was that like? Oh, that was good because he
was a very good worker.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
And I always tried to whoever I was working with,
I tried to learn from them what I could and
try to pick up what I could. And I always
watched every match from beginning and to the day that
from the first day I was in the business to
the last day that I retired, I watched every single
match to see what was going on. I always tried
to pick up and learn something because I always said
you learn by doing and you learn by watching.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
No Hogan was over on the tour I leave. It
was like in the early eighties, probably nineteen eighty actually,
And you teamed with Hulk on lodif occasions.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
What was that like, Uh, yeah, it was good, you know.
Hope was he was quite the character. I used to
like the ribbon a lot, you know, and he was
something about. Let me go back on a story about Hope.
That incident went to Giant U. He was actually sitting.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
In the road behind me and when I told the
bus driver to pull over, and I actually had my
earrings in and I took him out put him in
my bag.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Now I didn't know this. Later Hope told me this
couple of days later. He says, Alan, I'd like to
tell you something, And I said, what is that? He says,
you know, when I saw you reached out in your back,
he said, I ducked up under the chairs. What are
you talking about? He says, Well, he says, I never
seen nobody talk to Areie like this. I figured this
guy's got a gun.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
He's gonna come out, he's gonna turn around, he's going
to shoot him. Look over see me, and then he's
gonna shoot me too. I said, why did I do that?
He said, I don't know. You were mad. You're gonna
shoot everybody, you know? And he told me that this
bust eleven. I said, a kid, I swear man. He says,
I thought you were going to pull a gun out
and shoot the gun. Wow?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
What was hawk book? Back then?

Speaker 1 (25:38):
He was a good guy. He was one of the boys.
You know.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
He he's still didn't have the push that he wound
up getting years later.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
And he was he was a pretty good guy.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Do you feel he was a better worker back then
than he was later?

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Oh well, without a doubt. You know he he never
was a great worker.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
He was always a good talker at charisma up the kazoo.
I mean, this guy unbelievable, crismer, but he was never
a great worker. What about wrestling was like, same with him,
he was. He was the Japanese huk Kogan. The guy
knew how to just put over a show. He knew
how to put people in the chairs. A great talker,

(26:16):
you know, amongst the people. He had this horror about
him that just people just fell in.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Love with him.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
But he wasn't a great worker. Kim there, Yeah, k
same with him. Ken's a good guy and everything. He
wasn't the greatest worker in the world, but he Ken
was the good people. If you had a match with him,
you knew you were going to get out one piece
without injuring yourself. Yeah, he was there too. Actually, a
funny story about Pritchett. One time we were up with

(26:44):
Saporo and we had a day off and we went
to the strip club and uh, they got Tom drunk,
and Andre was with us, and uh, let's see Tager,
Jit Sing, Wada, Marutzky, myself, the Samoans and we go
to this club and they got pretty chest bone drunk
and they.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Took his clothes off in the club and he's standing there,
you know.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
And so they finally the Yakazans run all these clubs,
and the head guy came up to me, so mister Allen,
who says, please, the boys must leave.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
They make it too much trouble.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
So I got everybody who went outside, and then the
Samoan's got to fight with uh, with Tiger just saying wait, yeah,
they got to fight, and Uh out for a seeker
and they went crazy. So now the police come to
ride the Keto tie came to right police and I'm
standing there with Tom and I'm holding his clothes and
he's but they I'm trying to get him to put

(27:34):
put on your pants and get him to put his
pants on, and we get him to put his shirt on.
And now the cops come and they arrest the Samoans,
and they arrested Tiger and Wada and then they were
gonna arrest me.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
I said, what arrested me for? I didn't do anything.
I'm trying to break this thing up.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
I said, no, I'm going back to the hotel and
I got Tom and I'm dragging him along and I'm
making him put his clothes on everything. And it was
like maybe two feet of snow there, you know, And
you know what a day that was.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Also, Tiger Jitsing we talked about earlier on. So he
was pretty much for himself. Oh yeah, as far as
his gimmick and do you like working him back then?

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Uh? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
I worked with him as his partner a few times,
and his gimmick was unbelievable because, like the first time
I seen him, I couldn't believe it because I know
in the States here, you know, like they sue you
for anything you look at somebody wrong and they want
to sue you.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
And he was out there beating people with the saws
and everything. But is he crazy? They're gonna sew him that.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
I had nobody sues that Japan there, you know, yeah,
that's oh wow, okay.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
You know, was there any competition between since he was
like the top heel and you're coming up that he.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Like, well, not with me, but it was a lot
of competition with Dusty and Stan Hansen and people like
that because they were sort of jealous of Tiger because
Tiger was the top heel and without a doubt, he
was the top yellow at that time. And I remember
we had that that Madison Square Guard tournament and everybody
had to compete against everybody, and they were arguing in

(28:59):
the back who's going to be the heel of this
match between Stan Hansen because he was one of the
top heels and Tiger, and so finally they said, well,
let's let the people decide when they go out there,
whoever they cheer for will be the babyface.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
And Stan went out first. First he didn't want to
go out, and then they said okay, they flipped the
coin and they made him go out, and the people
took to him because they liked stand.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
They cheerful him. As soon as Tiger came out, he
started beating the people up and throwing chairs and went
crazy and he had a way to win him and
Waiter was trying to hold him back, and we said,
I guess we know who the heal of this matches.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
You know, members of Peter might be great guy.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
I loved him. I loved him that he was like
a big brother to me. He gave me a lot
of good advice. When I came to New York. He
just made it a point you ride with me, he said,
wherever we go.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
You go with me and I go. Okay, no problem.
You know, he was a hell of a guy and
he was a tough guy too.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
M n l at Bobby Duncan too, right, No, I.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Actually met Bobby in Japan and he was at that
time that we went to that strip club and gotten
read he was with us.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Also, did you ever crack it all from all the
traveling early.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
On or No?

Speaker 3 (30:11):
No, I never did. I never cracked. I didn't do
the stuff that these guys were doing. They were doing
pills and all kinds of stuff to get them through
what they were doing. Right, But I always believe that
your mind controls your body. So I always had my mind.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Into the state where I went off and did my job.
I'm making money, that's all accounts, taking care of my family.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Did anyone ever from an NBA ever try to make
a play for you? Since you fit them all of
a shooter and they like to push guys like that
shooter at the NWA Crockett.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
No, actually I met Crockett once, got in Florida, but
they weren't really interested in me because a lot of
that when I got in the business, A lot of times,
a lot of.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
These companies in one shooters in that company because they
were afraid. They're afraid. Okay, we put them up against
a champion, make it man stretched the guy and that's
the end of him. You know.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Did you enjoy team up with Abby too?

Speaker 3 (31:01):
I enjoyed working. I enjoyed socially being with Abby. Working
with him, yeah, he was. He was quite the guy.
He used to get me in trouble all the time
because he was making big money there. And the office
will call me up every single night and they go, Allen,
you gotta control Abby. I said, How am I going
to control that big fat guy? You know, you gotta
tell him we don't do.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Things like this. I said, Okay. I told him.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I go, okay, Abby, you can't be going and doing
this doing that. Yeah, okay, champ, don't work on that.
So before we go on the message, Now, okay, Abby,
now don't be you know, destroying the merchandise and all
that kind of craf okay, champ, I will, of course,
he would just do the opposite of what I told him.
He'd go out there and deliberately and I know the
office is gonna call me up. They would as soon
as I get in the ring of phone. Soon as

(31:45):
I got in the room, the phone would ring and
it was the office, and then we tell you about
the guy. But it got to the point I wouldn't
answer my phone, you know, I can't because I know
it's them giving me heck about it. I told him
what Dad, I said, Well, how come you don't tell Abdullah?
Why are you telling me?

Speaker 1 (31:58):
You know? Said, well, you've been here longer than it,
So what's that guy to doing anything? You know? No,
you've been here. You the Sunpire, you just seen you.
You tell them polite, I.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Said, we'll pay me the money that you paid him,
you know, because he was actually the first guy over there.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
It was making ten grand a week.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Was there any professional jealousy between Tiger and Abbey.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah, there was.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
There was because Abdullah was the top heel for Barbara
in all Japan and Tiger was the top heel for
Inuki in New Japan. So there was definitely it was.
I heard that they did a match over there. They
drew the first million dollar house ever in the rest
of business. But there was so much jealousy there.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
The match was terrible.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I heard it was.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
I never saw it, and I like to see it
one day, but I heard it was terrible. Everybody said
it was terrible.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Didn't All Japan ever try to contact you at all?

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Uh No?

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Actually when I left, I contacted them when I left
New Japan for wrestling, and I, uh because.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
I left there, they stopped booking me.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
After I came back from the w w F and
Yanuki left a company because he told me, he said,
you always have a homie, you come back here will
always take care of you. But when he left and
they got all these other guys in charge, and they
stopped booking.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Me, and they were booking me like twice a year.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
So I called him All Japan and they actually told
me straight up from we're not interested in you.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
I was okay, fine, were you around when or how
was the locker room? Like when the funks jumped and
like was it eighty one? The whole thing with Hanson
and all that.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Okay, it's a funny story when Hanson him, Well, Hanson
knew he was gonna jump, but he I asked him,
I said, when are you coming back with tours?

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Because I seen him taking the stuff off the bus.
We used to leave ourself on the bus because we.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Were on every tour right right, And I seen him
taking this souff on and said, when do you come back?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
He said, oh, I think I got something to do. Well,
he jumped.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
They never said none to me. But where I got
heck at was when the bulldogs jump. I was in
Mexico and I hadn't I had no idea these guys
are gonna jump to Boba's company. And I get a
phone call in my room and I'm in Mexico City
and it's the office SAKA. Gucci's there and he's got Cheeker,
who is the translator. She was living in La and

(34:08):
she started giving me heck And I'm going, you knew
about it.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
You should have told us. I have no idea what
you're talking about. Well, they went over the Bibles group.
I said, well, what am I supposed to do? You
know I can't babysit these guys. Well, you live in
the same town. What does that have to do with anything.
I said, yeah, I live in the same town. But
the thing is, I don't see these guys unless we're
on tour. When we're home, we don't hang out socially,
so I don't know what they're up to. So you
can't be blaming me for it. But that's the that's

(34:33):
the way it work works.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
What are the memories of Bill Edy? Back in the day,
Bill Edy?

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Billy was a good guy, smart, smartest that you know. Well,
he was a school teacher, but he was He was
good people. I always like, what about Dick Murdoch? Hated him,
couldn't stand the guy.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Why is that?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
The guy was a big he was a member of
the clan and some nonsense.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
But I told him when he came over from all
Japan and he joined our company, I said, look, let
me tell you something right off the bat, I said,
don't out that crack with me.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
I said, I don't care if you are remember the Klan.
I don't care if you hate black people at your business.
When you step on this bus, I said, I'm the
sampire here.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
I don't want to hear none of that nonsense. He said, Oh,
no problem. I never had any problem he was crazy.
He was totally nuts. I went on a tour with him.
We went to Taiwan and we went to Hong Kong
and they had him tagged up, me and him tagged
up together every night, and I would go, what is
this guy gonna do tonight? You know, he would do
stuff that was just unbelievable. Right, So finally the last

(35:32):
night that the promoter was actually from Korea, South Korea,
he paid us and he gave us the money. Russey
kimor Dick Murdock and myself we're the three foreigners there, right.
He paid Russy Kimore said, nice to have you here.
If we have another toy like to bring you back?
Paid me so nice to have you here. I really
thank you for everything you did. We have another toy,
like to bring it back? You paid Dick Murdock, he said,

(35:53):
you never again. I just felt not laughing that because
Dick was crazy. He just do anything in the ring.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
One time we were in Hong Kong and he started
in the ring and he's working with this guy who
was a Taiwan champ. He was a judo guy too.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
He his wrestling wasn't good, but you know, he was
well known right, and he gets Dick murder this chop
and Dick murder Us starts doing these high steps going.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Which way did he go? Which way did he go?

Speaker 3 (36:21):
I'm on the apron. I went under the rig. I
was laughing so hard. He's trying to pull me out, said,
come on out. How I got it?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
I can't, man, I was just I just cracked up.
The guy was crazy.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
You know, you actually travel without Freddy Blassie a little
bit in Japan.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Right, The General I always called him to General. He
was quite the character. I used to love the old guy.
He was something else. He was from the old school.
He treated the business like business. He sat across from
me and he used to curse me out all the
time because I was dark.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
He was always trying to get a tan. And what
are you doing? Freddy? One day I seen him. He
had his hand out the window of the bus and
it was like overcats, you know, And I'm going, fred
what are you doing? And he says, I'm trying to
detect the sun rays here so I can go in
and Sunbathe when we get to the hotel, sun baby,
what are you talking about? It's gonna rain, you know, Dan,

(37:10):
He started cursing. He called me every day by the sun,
you asshole. You. Yeah, I said, why, He said, you
got that color? I should have it? You should. You
don't appreciate. Oh. He would call me every day.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Then he said to me, yeah, I know when I
go with somen Tan on the roof and I'm laying here,
you come up and you laugh at me, don't you.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I said, in general, I swear I'm not laughing at you.
But what he the way he said it, I started laughing.
He said, I know you laughing at I said, I'm
not laughing at you. He said, Really he was quite
the character. I love that.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Jim Duggan.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Jim Duggy was funny as hell. He used to crack
me up.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
I used to actually hate to work with Jim because
I could never look at him because every time I
look at him, I start to laugh, you know, because
when I would go this way, this way, you know,
and then he'd make that face and me to have
the snock coming out of his nose and go, oh man,
you know.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
But Jim was a good good people.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
How did you develop your promo skills?

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I actually learned out.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
I started to learn in LA when they had me
out there, and then just as I went along, I
watched everybody saw what they were doing. And the thing
that Chief j Struggle always told me was you always
become the.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Character that you're supposed to be, and so they're not going.
I look in the mirror and I remember one thing
in Antonio and Luki told me that it always helped
me out. I asked him we had He had Fujiana
Mei and a guy named Keto was his first two opponents,
the first two students, excuse me. And I remember saying
to him one day because Fujiinamy, they pushed him big.
He was the junior lightweight champ, hell of a talent

(38:40):
and everything.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
And I said, I'd like to ask you something, Antonio,
how come you never push Keto like you pushed fujiam Me.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
He said, because he has no charisma. He says, his
face always looks the same. You don't know if he's mad,
sad or glad.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
He said, you look at Fujiana Me you can always
tell he tells the story with his face.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
And I thought about that. That's a good idea. So
I'd always go on in the mirror and you know,
practice and always change the faces and everything you know.
He says, that's what I always saw on you. He says,
I could see that I had a future with you
because you always had good facial expressions.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
How did you wind up in Calgary?

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Well, I went up there.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
We're on the tour in the Middle East and Arab
immorates and Brett was on there.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
I knew him from Japan.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Dynamite kid was on the tour, Dick Murdoch and myself,
we were the four foreigners and we would love Japan.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Paressa.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
So Dynamite came and asked me if I want to
come and work in Calgary. I said, well, I can't
go nowhere without NW Japan's provision. So I said, mister
Shima was asked, you got to go ask him. So
he went and asked mister Shima. He says, okay, we'll
send Alan up there when he has a break. But
he says one thing, we don't want no messing around
with him, because we know how you guys are. You

(39:51):
got to Calgary had a bad reputation of ribbon people,
right right. And so I came up there and I
met Stu and Stuke took a liking to me, and
that's how I wound up there.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
I left there.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
I was living in Australia at the time with my
girlfriend and she was driving me crazy.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
So Stu called me up one day and he says, hey, yeah,
the big sulthy basket.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
When you coming back up? I said, send me a ticket.
And that's how I wind up meet my wife, which
is another story. And then that's how I wind up
in What.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Do you re membories about Stuart? Any good stories?

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Many?

Speaker 3 (40:24):
I love Stu. He was quite the character. He was
something else. They threw the mold away when they made
that guy. He was something he was. He was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
What were your initial questions of the Heart family.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Well, you talk about dysfunctional. If you open up the
dictionary and you look for the meeting dysfunctional family, there
are pictures there. You know.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
It's a shame. But because Stu was a great guy.
I didn't know Helen that well because she used to
never interact with the rest of us.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
But Stu was quite the guy and he had a
family that just, you know, totally dysfunctioned. They fought with
each other you saw after and passed away. They were
just you know, at each other like you know crazy,
it was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
What are some of your early memories of your matches
with Brett.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Brett was always a good technician, even my later matches
with him, he was always a good rest of a
good technician.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
But two things that I never liked about Brett was
one is he started believing in his own bs, and
two is he never changed expressions. Like I said earlier,
you know, he always looked the same. And to me,
you saw Brett Hard. If you saw Brett Hard in
one match, you saw Brett Harden. It never changed, you know,
to both of you.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Pretty much. We did like three interviews with Brett, and
somehow he always manages to bring up your name and
stuff like that, and he talks about some of the
early matches that you wouldn't sell for him and stuff
like that.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
It wasn't that it was that he would do stuff
that didn't make sense. Because I used to tell guys, look,
we go out there because my thing was my character
was I was supposed to be a bad person, but
it had to be believable.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
You had to do stuff. It was an illusion, but
you had to make it look realistic where people can
believe going on, which is not done today, you know.
And I tell him, you know, you can't.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
Be doing something that just people gonna go, oh, come on,
you know you can't miss me by ten ten miles
with the drop kick and expect me to take a bump.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
That's not gonna work. You kick me, you hit me
with your feet. I want to take the bump, you know.
But he'd do stuff like this, and then he'd get man,
he'd mope around and poke around and said, man, I
can't take a bump for you if you don't make
a connection. And I used to tell Dynamite this, I said,
once we go out on the floor, you lay those
chops and those punches in because the people are sitting
right two feet from us. You miss me, I'm not selling. Okay,

(42:35):
that was no problem.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Do you believe the allegations Dynamite Kid made. I think
it was in his book about doing coke and drugs
with front.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Anything that Dynamite said in the book was true. You know,
they want to deny, they want to lie about they
all did it. And he wasn't lying.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
He told the truth about Yeah, he told the truth.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
We we have a pressure at all to do stories
early on.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
No see Vince. He's a guy who has unbelievable psychology.
He doesn't pressure anybody, but he makes it no. You know,
like if you do steroids and give it no, I'm
not doing that. I'm not putting no foreign objects in
my body.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
If you can't accept my work for who I am
too bad, because you know, like I mean, look at today.
Everybody looks the same. You know, everybody looks the same.
After a while, it gets boring. You got out of somebody.
Oh a right, sold guy. He's got a little around
his waist or whatever. So what, But ken he produce though,
that's what counts.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
I agree with you a lot. Memories of Davy boy
Smith jeth throw Bodine, good guy.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
He used to drive me crazy when I work with
him because he always had this bad habit of pulling
his trunks up like you do. Something told me he's
supposed to be selling. He's pulling up his d pads,
pulling up his trunks and go, Davy, you can't do that.
You sell it. You're supposed to be injured.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
You lay there, you just let the guy and then
when you get up you're making a comeback on him.
Then you adjust whatever you have to adjust, but you
can't be laying in the middle of pulling your trunks whatever.
But he asked me one day, says, why do you
always call me Jeth Throw? I said, you know, Jeth
Throw Bodine from the Bedley Hill Bellies.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, you remind me of.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Did you ever get to work out with Stu in
the dungeon at all?

Speaker 1 (44:12):
No? Never did. Never.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
I think a student, he knew I was an Olympian
and everything, so he really appreciated that, you know, because
I was the guy that actually did it, and he
loved that.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
He loved people that can actually have did it.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
And it was always the people that wanted to be
wrestlers are always the ones that wanted to be smart
asses would go down to the dungeon and they'd wind
up calling for their mother when Stu got that one.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
What are some of the early memories of the ladder
matches you had with Brett?

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Well, actually, from what I what I've been told, and
I guess it's true that we were the first two
that ever had these matches. We invented the ladder matches
and we had some good matches there. We had one
I remember in Regina we had one where they had
the money. They had this bag of money up on
this rope and we were supposed to go up and

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grab it. So the finish was that he had me
down on the floor.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
He put the ladder up, and as he stepped up
in the ladder, I had a girl statched out in
the audience. She ran up, pushed the ladder over. He
took a big bump, fell up, fell into the first
or second row. I went got into the ring, put
the ladder up and grabbed the money, and the people
were stunned. They were like they couldn't believe what they saw.
And then of course after that they went crazy.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
They boomed through stuff, and it matters, but as far
as I know, they claimed that we had the first line.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Of in Dianamae tells a story I think in his
book about the altercation between you and Brett. Can you
elaborate on it.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, he gave me. You know.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
He talked about how he was in the business for
twenty six years and he never hurt anybody.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
So I guess those two concussions he gave me didn't
count because he gave me two concussions. Okay, both times
he hit me over the head.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
I always had a rule, never give the baby face
the gimmick, because they'll kill you every time, you know.
So both times he had a cherry crashed me over
the head and I had two concussions from there. So
the third time we had we were working in Reagina again, and.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
That used to be one of our better houses. The
place was always sold out, and.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
I had Wakamatsu who was actually my manager but couldn't work. Really,
we said, well they had wakamatso teamed up with me
and against Brett and Dynamite Kid. And I told Brett
the finish was they were going to use the candle stick, right,
I was supposed to go and pin Dynamite. He'd come
in and save him by hitting me. I said, you
make sure he hit me across the shoulders. Do not

(46:33):
hit me in the head. I said, because you gave
me two concussions already, do not hit me in the head.
And I could see he was all ticked off. And
in this business, you tell somebody, okay, I got an injury,
you stay away from it. They're supposed to do it right.
So what does he do. He gets in a ring
and he hits me right in the back of the head.
I mean, this was deliberate, you know, and I just
shut up.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
It was like somebody stuck fire up under me, and
I just shot up and I grabbed him, threw him down,
and I had him by to choke and I had
him by the throat and I was actually choking him,
and I know everybody could hear it, and you know,
I said, you get an asshole. I told you not
to hit me in the head, you know.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
And I'm choking him and he's turning already, so then
I actually let him go. He rolled out the ring
and I grabbed the candlestick and rolled out and I
hit him from behind and he turned around and I
swung it like a baseball bat and cracked him right
between the noose, almost knocked him cold, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
And then I went threw it down. I went back
to the locker room and I was gonna get him.
I said, this is it. He's gonna pick tonight. And
he took off.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
He knew he had somebody, said somebody and to get
his bag. And I never saw him for about two
or three days.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Did you guys ever try to squash your heat?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Not really, No.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
We we got along in the WWF, you know, because
I had to work with him after the Wrestlement four.
But uh, you know pretty much I knew keep an
eye on this guy because he'll try anything, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
I guess. Can you talk about the story of Dynamite
wanting you to run him over with a car something?

Speaker 1 (47:52):
The guy was crazy. Everywhere we went, we sold out
everywhere for us.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
When I came back in nineteen eighty three from Australia,
Stu wanted me to work with Bread again.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
I worked with him in eighty two. I said, I
know he's your son and everything.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
I don't want to work with him. I said, the
guy is no doing business with him. Like I said,
I'm in this for the bank vote, not the scrap boat.
I said, I'm gonna work with somebody that I could
make some money. He said, who do you want to
work with? I said, Dynamite.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Kid said. Dynamite said he let's don't worry when I'm
doing him, he'll be a baby face. So now I'm
working with him. We're selling out everywhere we're going, I
mean everywhere. Stu is happy, We're all happy. We're making money.
So now they wanted to do TV in a little
town to call Red Deer's north of Calgary, about eighty
six miles and he comes up with me. He says, pannels, yeah,
and I know he's gonna come up with some crazy

(48:45):
not sense.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
He says, And I was actually legitimately the first wrestler
ever suspended by the Wrestling and Boxing Commission working with Dynamite.
I actually they actually suspended me twice. So he says, Okay,
we're read there. There's no commission here. Let's do something
really nobody's ever done before. I said, what is that?
He says, Okay, Davy Boy and I are gonna do

(49:08):
an interview. You come with your car. I had a
big town car at the time. He says, you come
and you run me over. I said, say what he said?
You run me over?

Speaker 1 (49:17):
He said, Tommy, stay with him. The drugs, I said,
it starting to affect your brain. That is great at
the Yeah, but I'm not doing it. I said, you know,
I'm on a thin string here. They're actually talking about
running me out the country.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
They actually got on TV and said I should be
kicked out the country Tarter Feathering and just I said,
are you can?

Speaker 1 (49:33):
I'm gonna run you over with my car and everybody
knows who knows me. No way am I doing that?
He crazy? Oh, okay, we'll come up with something else.
He was too much.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Now, after the series with Dynamite, you were married again
to Bread. Were things any different? Some around?

Speaker 1 (49:46):
It was always the same. They put me with him
and they tried to figure it. Okay, he made a
lot of money with Dynamite, let's put him with Bread.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
But Bread was just difficult to deal with, you know.
He I'm Brett Hard. You know I should go every night, which.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Fine, you want to go for it, but if we
do a program and I do something to you, you
gotta sell it.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
You know. You just can't be going out because they
had me do a thing where I was supposed to
stab him in the eye with a fall. So he's
supposed to walk around the patch on his eye.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
And we're going up to Edmonton, and a lot of
people used to come from Edmonton on because we taped
on Fridays, so they would come to Edmonton from Edmonton
to go to Calvary watch the matches day and then
with Edmonton the next day.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
And they go back there and they saw me stab him
with this this fork right, and he's bleeding and everything,
and they went on, I think he lost his eye
and they you know, and next thing, I'm my wife
is driving and he's driving in a car. He's got
this girl with him and he passed the spy and
uh oh, I said that was Brett. And he don't
have the patch on his eye, you know. Okay, so

(50:46):
now of course he walks in the ring. You don't
have to patch. So well. Half the people they were
down the night before and they saw it, right, And
he says to me, and I go to, what are
you doing. We're wasted that time doing that. I said,
we had a good thing going. Oh, let's do it
again and night and I said, I don't want to
do it, you know, because this is this is below me.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
You gotta follow through with these you just can't have it. Oh,
let's do it again tonight. Okay, So we did it again. Actually,
the RCMP came in the locker room. They're going to
arrest me, and I said, is Brett pressing charges? And
they said, you're under arrest for you mutilated Brett. These
guys are like marks, you know what. They were freaking out,
you know, and we're gonna We're gonna.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Lock you up.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
And I said, wait a minute, hold on, I said,
is Brett pressing charges? Nope, get the hell out of
the locker room.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
So we're gladiators, said, this locker room is off limits,
so you get out, and I kicked out.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Did Stue over protect Brett or did Brett have a
lot of the power at that time?

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Well, Brett had, he had Bruce with him who had
the power because he was Mommy's favorite.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Was no, Bruce was, and so Bruce would always look
out for Brett. So at that time, because Stue a
lot of stuff that was going on with Bruce, Stu
didn't like it. And he told me, he said one day, actually,
when I was coming back to go for the WWF,
I went up to thank him and everything and thank
him for treating me and.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Taking care of me well and all.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
And he comes out on the porch of me and
he says, you yeah. He says, he's looking around to
see if his wife was listening.

Speaker 6 (52:16):
He says, uh, I wish somebody would take that uh
little hiss asshole that's what they call him, rousht off
to their territory and maybe put him in the first
match Ivy Nate and just beat the crap.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Out of him. And then he says, after they beat
the crap out, I'm just go and pee on him
every night. Still, yeah, a little because he knew that
he wrote his territory.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
He routs his company in our interviews.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
It's pretty well known that the mid South there was
a lot of driving, but actually the Stampede probably had
the longest drives. Any stories and how long were they
actually from the town's or they were like there was
the circuit was like the daily schedule.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Well, we'd go, okay, we'd go to Regina. Well, we'd
go to Saskatoon on Monday and we'd actually stay up there.
That was a six hour drive one way. Then we'd
go to Regina on Tuesday, which wasn't that far, was
maybe four or five hours. Then we'd have to drive
back to Calgary, which was eight hours one way. Then

(53:24):
we'd go off to Red Deer the next night, which
was the easiest trip, that was an hour and a half.
Then we'd uh we'd be back to go back to
left Bridge, which I hated going to that town because
the people we were always fighting with, the fans there,
they were really nice.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
They were always trying to climb in the ring and
it always just fights.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
We'd have to go there. That was another two and
a half hours. Then we'd go we were in Calgary itself
to do TV on Fridays, and then we'd go back
to Edmonton, which is another three hours. Then they start
having us go to Vancouver, which is fifteen hours, so
we'd go there Wressel's, spend the night and come back
another fifteen hours to the mountains.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
In the winter, it was snow, it was avalanches. It
was all kinds of nonsense.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
They had a lot of cars and serious car accidents.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Was the worst ones, Uh, the worst one I think
was well, they had two really bad ones.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
They had one where I think Bruce was driving and
he hit a deer and they wrecked the car, and
I think Duke Myers broke his leg and a couple
of guys. And then they had one with the van
where the van actually almost went over the cliff and
there were some serious injuries. Game.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
What about doctor d David Chults, What are your memories
of him from this time?

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Grade never liked him. Guy was an asshole.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
He also toured Japan with you too. I think.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Yeah, he was on the tour in Japan and we
were in O Soccer I remember this time, and they
hated the company, hated them. But Vince Senior sent him
over there the first time and then Soccer Grouci said,
don't send this guy back here because we don't like him.
He can't work. All he do wanted to do is talk. Well,
you can't talk in Japan. You gotta work over there.
You gotta produce, right, So they sent him back a

(54:58):
second time, and then they really new Japan, got really
ticked off.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
So we're in Osaka and I never forget this. They
had him tagged up with me and we're working with
Soaker Gucci and this kid named Kendall Kimar and they
said to me, they said Alan, the one of the
young boys came over with said mister Saka Gucci who
was the boss, said let's should start and you don't
get in.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
The ring whatsoever. So really, so yeah, so every time
he come to tag you, you leave. So that's what I did.
They beat you know what album? They just beat the
crap out.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Wow, And that's just feel sorry for Hi because I
didn't like the guy anyway.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
We surprised when he slaps.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Yeah, that was you know, that was his with the
big ego and everything. He tried to blame Vince for it,
and personally, I don't think Vince had anything to do.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
This is my personal opinion. I know Vince's you know,
I don't like him at all, but I don't think
Vince is not stupid enough to tell him to do that,
especially on that so TV where he can get sued,
you know.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
So this was his his way of trying to show,
you know, how he had he's the big man in town.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
What do you remember some of my series with Jim Lightheart.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Jim funniest guy you ever wanted to meet. Funny. I
liked Jim. He was quite the character.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
I've always remember him pulling his beard and the one
day he's telling me a story about he went away somewhere.
This is after I left the WWF and he left
his cat, who costs about nine hundred dollars in charge
with Davy Boy. Well, soon as he started telling me this,
I started laughing right away because I knew something really
stupid happened.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Right, So he's stroking his bead.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
He says, yes, he says, I came back and I'm
looking for my cat, and Davy had this big rock whiler.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Right, well, the rock will I ate the cat.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
So he's telling me, he says, I'm looking for the cat,
and nobody wanted to tell him, right, And he says,
I look over at the dog and I see him
call for and I see the spur coming out of
his mouth.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
It's a cat for right.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
And so then finally the sister told him that the cat,
the dog ate the cat.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Right, And he's telling me this story and I'm in tears.
I'm laughing so hard. Right, He's going, yeah, but Ben
news just as serious. It's how funny. I said, yeah,
but the way you tell this story.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Any memories of smith heart.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
You talk about it degenerate's he's got to be, without
a doubt, the lowest, one of the lowest people wanted
to be, you know. And yeah, Well, one of the
most serious stories is I was actually my wife and
myself was going to adopt one and his daughter's named
Tanyer stilled out to be a really beautiful girl. Both
she came and met me a couple of years ago,
and she says to me, I understand from my aunt

(57:30):
Diana that you and your wife.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Were going to adopt me when I was a baby.
I said yeah. She said what happened? And I told her.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
I said, we had everything worked out and then at
the last minute I pulled out.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
My wife was really mad at me about it, but
I said, look, I said, I want you to realize
one thing. If we adopt this girl, we're going to
have smith heart in our life for the rest of
our lives. And I said you want that. She thought
about it. She said no, I really don't. And that's
what happened. But the guy was a total little life.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Total remembers about Wayne first, I'll get.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
From Monkeytong, I like hockey Tonk couldn't work, good talker,
good charisma, like a lot of the guys couldn't work
worth the day. But I liked him though he was.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
How about j from Stampede.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
I didn't know him really that well, but it was funny.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
I remember wrestling one time with him in San Francisco
and I gave him the ghetto Blaster and I came
hi the ghettle Blaster and he stood up and he
spun around and then he fell on his back and
I'm down there and I had to cover my face
up because I'm laughing so hard.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
I go j D. When I give the gettle, Blessed
was to go forward, not back.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
With what happened with you and Ed? Well, how did
you guys get him the quit?

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Well, we did that thing with Archer Stompy arch of
the Stomper Goldie's son where I was supposed to drive
them in the ground broke his neck. Now I'm coming
back off my second suspension. I come into the locker
room to go over to finish what they wanted to do,
and Stu was standing and not telling her. Look, you guys,
I'm just getting back here. I don't want to do right,
I said, I got enough heat with this commission.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Now, I mean they, like I said, they were on
TV talking about they should run me out of town
and all kinds of nonsense.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
He said, Nope, let's go with it. Okay, fine, So
we did it. And one of the best interviews I
ever seen that was so believable was Archie after we
did the gimmick with his son, which who actually wasn't
his son.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
The kid left town. The next day. They were sending
cards up to the hospital, flowers.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
And everything for this kid. They go on like, who
is this guy? There's nobody registered here by that name.
But anyway, he did such a beautiful interview I seen.
It was the most realistic interview I've ever seen that.
Ed Willing just flipped out because I always said he
was a market business. He was here like fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
The guy was a mark, you know, and I never
liked that anyway. I thought his commentary was the pits.
And plus he always wanted to put himself over. Your
job is to put over the heel so the people
can come out and see the baby face kick his butt, right,
you know, but he.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Always wanted to put himself over, and he just flipped.
He just you know what, the guy's walking out here
man doing it is for real and he actually quit.
So for me, when I left to come back, they
actually had to ask as permission if I could come back,
and that's when they brought me back as a baby face,
which didn't work. Speak lived by that, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Is it true?

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Like the Stopper was one of the most fit guys
I heard, Like when he was like sixty or something,
he would like ride a bicycle the show. It was
like seventy miles on a bike the shows.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yeah he was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I don't know about seventy miles Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
He did when he moved down there, Okay, yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
He was always in good ship. He was always in
good shap What.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Are your early memories of wrestling on Lufez Billy Robinson?

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
That was quite the match. I was like, I can't
believe this because I was I started in this business.
I was thirty four.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I wrestled lou Fez at the time, he was sixty six,
and I thought, man, this is unbelievable. You know, but
we're down in Mexico City too, and even though he
was sixty six, he was still in good ship.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
You know, he's still in good ship. I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
How was a Billy Robinson is a pretty miserable guy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Oh yeah, he was miserable. You know. He was sneaky too.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Actually, I Peter Mavea told me a story about he
was beating up They were in England. He was beating
up one of the young boys and uh, the chief
stepped in and he actually put.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
A hurting on him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
What are your early memories of Mexico.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
I love the people there, like if they have a
piece of bread, and they invite you to their home.
They share that bearger they cut in the hair. But
those fans are nuts, man, they're in the wrestling and
they used to throw these pacils. I'm going, man, he's
I need to start wearing a helmet, you know, because
these guys got good arms, because I mean they would
hit me every night I get hitting the help the pacils.
And they had these big old paces they need beaming on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
And they used to throw cigarettes and like you're you're
perspiring and it will stick to your skin and the burning.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
You know, that was serious.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Were you involved in a match? I could be wrong.
It was like Bigelow and Andre in Mexico when Andre
had too many tequila's and I remember that. Were you
what happened there?

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
True story? You're telling about the old' he shit on here? Yeah, okay,
this is actually this is the last time I saw
Andrea lot because he was supposed to come back. Actually
we're both supposed to come.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Back, go home, come back a month later and then
he went to his father shoot on and passed away.
But what he had diarrhea and plus he was drinking too,
so he gets into the ring here. Yeah, bam, bam,
was was my partner, and he shoots me across the
ring and he says, a big ass boss. He does,

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just call everybody boss, right, and he gives it to me,
and all of a sudden everything went.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
You know. I'm like laying in the corner and he
just let go and it's all over me and I
fell out the ring and I'm like, I'm about to puke,
you know, And and uh so I left. We're in
the bull ring in Mexico and I went up the
stairs and like you go up the stairs and there
people lying along the line there and they cursed me
and everything, and they're going like, wow, what is this smell?

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You know? It was me?

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
And I went in and I didn't take off my
boots and nothing. I went in and just jumped in
the shower. Everything on it just and you know, I
felt sorry for the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
I mean, he was just sick. That's why I just
let it go. You know, that's a true story. Everybody
asks me that it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
What are your early memories of touring Australia and with
Jim Barnett.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
I never worked with I never worked in Australia. I
lived there and I was working out of Japan, and
I never I had never even met Barnett, never worked
there at all.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Why did you live in Australia?

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Well, I met a girl when I was in Japan
and she was from there. So instead of coming on
the way back to the States, I'd go down there
to stay with her.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
You did, if you? Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Was?

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
I think in eighty four in Canada for w F.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
How did that come about?

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
This is I think this is just when Stu sold
the territory Evince and he made a deal with Vince
that he would take Brett Dynamite baby n hard in
myself and I didn't go because my wife was having
a baby that was going to be a last one.
I was always on the road all these years. I said,
I'm going to be home for this, this baby. And

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so I came up there and Grilla Man soon came up.
He used to road age in and he says to
me Ben News because he knew me from Vince. He says,
you know, where have you been?

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
We got a place you in New York and you know,
And I said, well, nobody asked me, and I said,
and I told these guys, I'm not coming. My wife's
having a baby, and I'm not going, you know. So
they asked me could I worked the shows.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
From So I did a couple of what are your
memberis of? Mike Shaw?

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Mike Shaw, Yeah, students, students, he had his no so
so far up student's budd if you kick Stewing the
nuts and break Mike snows. But uh, I enjoyed working him.
I'm the one that gave him the name of toilet Mode,
and uh it just took off the people, It just
went nuts for it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Do you remember the Rock from Peterman V shows at
all when he was a little kid?

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Well, yeah, I remember m Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
I think I had first met him when he was
eight years old because his his dad, Rocky, used to
come to Japan all the time, and then I'd go
in there and I brought shows in Hawaii.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
So I remember the Rock real well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
And I think the last time I saw him before
he got into the business, he was around thirteen and
at the time he was tall, but he was.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Skinny though, you know, but he turned out to be
a hell of a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
I guess when did you see the running on the
wall that Stampede was in trouble financially and stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
Well, actually, when they started screwing around, they had Bruce
running things.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
And then this one was telling somebody that, and that
one's telling somebody that, and I said, this is not
gonna work. You know, this is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
And then actually Stu called me up and told me
that he was selling out to the WWF. He never
told his sons. And I came into the arena and
we're gonna do TV. And they were mad because they
found out on the news. It was the news and
they asked me, did I know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Anything about it? And I said, no, I don't know nothing.
I don't know anything, but I already knew that Stuke
told me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
You talked a little bit earlier about Chris Benwell, what
are your early memories of Chris and Stampede.

Speaker 3 (01:05:47):
Chris was a dedicated kid. I enjoyed his I liked
his dedication. He worked hard. I hated the way they
treated him. And I'm one of these kind of guys.
I don't like to see people get abused, you know,
And if I got it there's some way I can
help them out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
I'll try to help him out. So I went to
a NOOKI and asked him would he be possible to
bring this kid over, let him stay at the dojo
on everything. And I didn't even ask them to pay him.
And Nuki says, okay, and we'll give him a thousand
dollars a week.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Could he have trouble with Calgary.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
With the hearts?

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
You know, because he was a young kid coming along,
and they were jealous of him. They could see that
this kid was gonna be good. They could actually see
another dynamite kid. I say, he's the closest thing to
dynamite to this day. And they were just jealous. And
you know, one time, we're up in Edmonton, which is
his hometown, and I asked my sister in law, who
was a baker. I said, it's Chris's birthday when we

(01:06:43):
come up there, can you make a cake for him?
And she made this big, huge cake and I never
forget this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
I'm sitting in the locker room and Bruce comes in
and he looks over and he says, whose cake is that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
And he said, oh, it's for Chris's birthday? And I'll
never forget this. He said, under the direct he ain't
eaten that cake tonight. So of course they had Mike Shaw.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Jump them smash the cake in the space and everything, so.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
It was so much else and now it's just fed
up with it. The way they treated him. You know,
he is, this kid's a talent, but they knew it
and they were jealous of them. So I said, okay,
I'm going to help him out. So I asked someone
that I walked up to him, said, would you like
to go to Japan? So I'd love to let me
let me make the rags. Wow, that's how.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
What's your relationship with Tokyo job He lives in Calgary.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Yeah, he lives in Calgary. I see Tokyo Joe every
now and and I really don't have no relationship with
him at all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
You know. What was his position like? Well, he was
like the agent for New Japan.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
He'd go around and they'd send him to do uh,
to pick up different talent all over. Actually, it's funny
because one time we met in Hawaii. They had a
meeting there and they asked me to come to this meeting.
I said, well, the call of Hawaii, why not?

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
What the heck?

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
You know, I didn't know what it was about. Well,
what it was about was that a Nuki wanted to
actually for me to have that job.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
That I would go around. They send me to the
different territories, not send them back to talent.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
This is after they left the w w F and
like almost like a scout.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Yeah, like a scout. But Gucci was good friends with Joe,
so he said he wanted Jail to have the job,
so they gave it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
What new japan guys did they use in Stampede?

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
And they was up there. They used a lot of
guys they used, Yeah, all the young guys that are on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Top now they use Which guys would which guys would
you like? The best?

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
Site though was my favorite? Hasse he was okay? So
so Hashimoto was there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
He was good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
You know they're the vietcas.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Yeah. And what's the strow machine number one? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
What are your memories of us? Steve Williams from Japan?

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Steve Williams is a good guy. I liked him, you know,
tough guy, good guy, could take care of himself.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Were you on the tour? I guess when Maita shot
on Andre.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Was no? I Actually I wasn't on that tour, but
I heard about it and I worked with because Mighta
was my co WHI he was my junior when I
first got there. He stopt to take care of my clothes,
wash him and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
And so about three months down the road, I'm on
the tour with him and I'm actually working with him,
and he did that spinning kick and then I seen
I said, oh, okay, I see why now everybody complains
about that kick.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
When you do it, you close your eyes. How the
heck do you see what you hit?

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
That's what his problem was. But yeah, I wasn't on
that tour, but I heard about it. No, I was
there either on that tour, but he broke sock after that,
I guess he left for u W.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
They started that was Shima? Did he go in with that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
And never think mister Shima was in the office. Those
guys started it tiger mask him.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
And then they did that for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
They actually started to shoot wrestlers right then they came
back to New Japan and they treat him really bad
and they left again and then they split up and
one guy, but they actually start to shoot wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Come like UW F I guess eighty three. This It
was like the hottest company. They were selling out even
more in New Japan.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
Did they ever have interest in you coming instince you
had a judo background.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Well, yeah, I actually went in there and worked for
him for three years.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Yeah, I worked three years form and I couldn't understand
what went on because all of a sudden they went
out of business.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
And I'm going to wait a minute, every time we're here,
we sell out everywhere we're going, what the hell is
going on? Well, what happened was they had so many
chiefs in the in the office, and everybody had their
hand in the pocket, so they were all ripping the
place off.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Who was most responsible for the demise of that company?

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
I say all of them, all the whole office group,
because they were all involved in their They had I
think they had about five owners and they were the
ones that you know, they didn't take their business.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
It was my eta.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Did he have like that hot head? Like a lot
of people say.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Yeah, And partially I think I had a lot to
do with it, because see the thing of it is
mighta was it against because he's Korean? He was actually
born in Japan, but he's Korean, and so there's a
lot of discrimination against the Koreans there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
So, uh Mida was my young boy, and so he
used to train with me and everything and I used
to tell him. I said, look, and they used to
treat him really.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Bad, and I didn't like that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
So one day he's working with this guy named Anna
Kawa who's a realow asshole. I couldn't stand this guy
and he's I'm watching the match and he's.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Doing Anna Kaw is just doing all kinds of stuff
he shouldn't be doing tonighta and might have taken it
because he's a coha.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
He's a junior, right. So finally I said one in
was I said, you go tell Mida I want to
see him. And he came over and he said, yes, somebody,
and I said, listen, the next time I see you
wrestle out on a kwor if you don't beat the
crap out of him, you're gonna have trouble with me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Because I said, you don't have to take that. This
is Boulogney. You know you don't have to let him
abuse me like that. I said, I don't care what
he is. He ain't got no right to treat you
that way. I said, the next time, and if anybody
says anything to you, tell gon to come see me, okay, hi.
So he took off. It's about a week down the road,
I looked because.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
They would write the names in Japanese of the Japanese
fighters they're gonna fight, and then the Americans they.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Put in English. Right, so I go, where's mna At?
I was checking every week and they said, oh, he's
tonight and he went out of college. Okay, so you
go over there and somebody I want to see him.
So what did I tell you when you wrestle on
a college? Said, I remember you said you're gonna beat
the crap out of That's right. I mean he went
out there, he living crap. I mean he all was
killed him, right, Because I used to teach him shoot

(01:12:31):
moves and everything. He was so afraid to come back
go back to the locker room. Afterwards he came over
there and I said, you tell him to come dress
over here.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
So he came over there, and they knew that I
said something to him, and so finally when he went
back there, he knew.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
He told him, don't worry. Everything's okay, since we know
Alan Sang spoke to you, don't worry, Aboudy and they left.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
So the mighty kick maybe came from.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
You, It didn't come from me, but it was his
own event. But he he learned to take care of himself,
don't let these guys push him around.

Speaker 4 (01:13:05):
Was that the biggest form of racism you saw in
Japan was more of the Japanese versus the Koreans.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Well, it was, you know, like the Japanese are funny people.
I love being there and everything, but they so clannish.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
It's like if you Japanese of ancestry and not born
in Japan, they don't like you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Everybody's a guy Gian, everybody's a foreigner, a barbarian. So
that's the way they are.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
How'd you wind up in Florida?

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Actually, Matsuda asked for me to come down. He was
good friends with the Nuki. He said his company was
in trouble. He said, is there any way you can
send Alan down give him a break because I was
on every tour, and send him down here.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
I think we can use his help. And that's how
I got down there. At that time, they had.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Well yeah, and Mike Graham was booking for a short time,
but they brunning Kevin Sullivan and then they or Dusty
and Dusty came in two days, two weeks before I
was supposed to leave to go back to Japan, so
he came in there on Florida. Uh, the same thing again,

(01:14:12):
was like l A, I was home every night, didn't
make no money, but what the heck? I was down
there helping out, and you know, I had a good
time mcgame Wahoo.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
I like Mohoe, I like Waho. You know he was
he was quite the character. Uh. He was the kind
of guy too. He was cut from the same mold
with me. He going in and do his job. But
he didn't take no crap off either. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
How about Mike Graham, Mica.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Was a little asshole. Well, you know he's he's h He's.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
A rich kid going with a golden spoon in his mouth,
and he figured the whole world is laid down for him,
you know, and it didn't work that way.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
You have to earn your props.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
You know what about likes Luder, You're down there when
likes Uh came up.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
The guy's a Tello bora, you know, like I'm down
there with him. He's eight months in the business. They
had Ray Candy and myself working against him.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
And uh, what's uh.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
One of the window boys at Kendo Kendall window and
this guy was just messing up the matches.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Every single night, Jess, so can't. Ray said, Alan, could
you go talk to him? Right? It's okay? Fine? So
I got him, got with him. I said, look, I said,
you making this harder than it has to be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
This business can be real easy. This is the way
we work it, right, So you're standing and listening to them. Well,
first of all, he wasn't listening because actually we were
in the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
School and I was standing with my back to this mirror,
and he was actually posing looking at himself. I said,
you hear me talking to It was? Oh yeah, hey,
I said, so this is the way the match to go.
He said, well, you know, I've worked with all the
tough guys down here and they never had no complaints
in anything. And I said, you did. I said, how

(01:15:56):
long have you been in this business? He said eight months?
I just walked away. I just walked away. And so Race,
what did he say? I said, you don't even want
to know, I said, because if I tell, you're gonna
get in there and beat the crab out.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
You know, were you there the night that Brody shot
on him the cage?

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Yeah, it was funny because I worked with Brody the
next week in Lakeland, and it was actually supposed to
be Lex Luger. And they called me up at the
office and they had me on the speakerphone, right, and
I could hear humpa dick in the back just laugh
at his head off.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
He went to the officers. I can't work with him.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
That guy is crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
He says, he could give me a boot to the
face and I'd have to have plastic surgery.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
And I could hear him and my students talking to me,
and I could hear hump just rolled it in the back, right,
said Alc, could you do so?

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
Said, yeah, we want you when you go to Lakeland.
We're going to put you in the match with Brody. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
He says, you get along with him. I said, Frank, yeah,
I get along with him. Well, he says, you saw
what hap the other night. Now they would would bruise.
I said yeah, and he deserved.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
He deserved what he got because he's a guy who's
been in the business a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
I knew what he was doing. You go all of respect,
You ask him what do you want to do, and
he'll tell you what he wants. Okay, you do this,
this this, I'll do this this this well.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
He went and told Brodie says, Yo, we're gonna do
it this way, and we're gonna have to miss this way.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
And I'm looking over and I'm in her though. This
ain't gonna be pretty. This is not gonna be pretty.
As soon as they went out there, I ran out
there because I know Brody was gonna kick his ass.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
I knew it. And he went out there and beat
the crap out and he's screaming like hell, hell, open
up the door and let me out, And they actually
opened the gat and let him. He ran out of
the locker room, I mean ran back to the locker
room and I'm just I'm on the floor roller because.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
I knew this was coming up, just the way he's
telling me. I could see Brodie there. He's got this
little knife and he was just peeling this piece of
wood and he's just looking at him. I saying nothing,
this is not gonna be pretty. This is I'm gonna
be a witness this and it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
What were your thoughts on that berg of Berdie.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
I love the guy. He was a good guy. He
was a businessman. He went out there, he did his
job what you wanted them to do. But he didn't
take no crap off you either. You know, he was
the guy cut from the same glof of me. He
didn't take no crap off nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
What are your thoughts on Brody jumping back and forth
between all Japan and Japan.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Well, that was a business decision because after Abdullah, actually
Abdullah got him to jump and when he Abdullah left
and he went over there and he talked to uh
He talked to Bruises to come over, which is a
big mistake. By do you pay bro That's a because
he was totally crazy. He's telling me we're down at
Florida together and he's going, yeah, but Allen, I never

(01:18:31):
put over your new key.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Well, what do you care? Lund's you get paid. They
were paid him twelve thousand dollars a week. You know
one time he actually left, he left the tour. You
get paid the last day of the tour. They would
pay you before the match was over, before as soon
as you come in, they give you your money, they
call you and they pay you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Well, he left him and Snooker followed him and asked, Jimmy,
what was you thinking so Well, Frank left and I
I don't know why I left you. They didn't even
collect their money, they just left. Wow. So now we
get to Hawaii and we're doing a show there and
he's on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
The office asked me to go in in and talk
to him, sing, h okay, Alan, could you do us
a favor of going in and talk to Brillian and
see why he did what he did?

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Right? It's going and ask him. I said, Frank, what's
going on?

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Why'd you leave the tour like that? Didn't even collucted
your money? Man? You know well, I didn't like the
way they treat me. You know what do you mean?
I said, you were treated first class treatment. What are
you talking about? Well, some of those times we were
in the beds in Finance, I said, hey, Andre went
through this. I said, I'm six two, you're six four.
Andre's seven to or whatever. I said. They put us

(01:19:31):
in the best hotels they have in those little towns.
When we got back to Japan, to Tokyo, I said,
weren't you in the you had king sized bed. Weren't
you in the best hotel, five star hotel kel Plaza.
He goes yes. I said, so what's your beat? He
goes yeah. I guess you're right, you know, So he
got I called in nuki in and I said, going
in and talk to him. Everything's okay, and they worked

(01:19:52):
it out. He came back for a show while and
then he left again.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
It seems like New Japan used you a lot, almost
to babysit.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Well, that's what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
They knew I was a no nonsense kind of guy,
that I was serious about what I was doing, that
they can always depend on me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
I was always there on time.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
I never goofed around, and they knew they couldn't actually
get me to go and talk to some of the
firing guys who were all.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Screw ups, and a lot of the guys in respect
and they respected me. And they know if I came
in and said something to them, they know it was
serious business. There wasn't no jogging, right.

Speaker 4 (01:20:21):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
What are your thoughts on what happened at Bruse Brodie
in Puerto Rico. That was a sad day for me
because I'll never forget. Rick Rude came up to me.
We're uh in Denver and he came up to me
and he was like, white is a ghost. He said,
they killed him. They killed him. They killed who? What
are you talking about? They just kept saying they killed him.
He said kill who? What are you talking about? Said

(01:20:43):
they killed Brody in Puerto Rico? And I just dropped
my bag. I couldn't believe it. I went off in
the corner and I actually cried, broke my heart?

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
What are your members of Barry Windham?

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
I didn't know Barry that well. You know, like he
came in when I was just getting ready to leave,
and they had him as the widow maker.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
I really didn't know. What is he still around her?

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
He's working here?

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
What about Ron Simmons?

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Ron Ron was a good guy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
I used to get in trouble with his girlfriend or
whoever she was, because Ronni and I when we were
in Florida, we used to drive together and then like
one day he would take his car, the next day
I would take my car. So the day he would
take his car, he dropped me off the hotel he disappeared.
His girlfriends called.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
Me where is he?

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
I said, I had no idea ron Man, give me
a story to let me tell her something.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
I don't know what to say because she thinks I'm lying.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
You know where he is?

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
She started arguing with him, I said, I'm telling her
I had no idea where he is. He dropped me off.
That's all I know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
You know what about Kevin Sullivan, Some of your memories
with Kevin craziest.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
Hey, the guy. The guy had to be the one
of the craziest guys ever met in the business. He
would do stuff. There was just totally off the walls,
you know, And I go, Kevin, really, I mean, come on,
you know he was supposed to believe that. But the
guy was crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
He was totally nuts outside the ring too. Outside the
ring also, he was just he was crazy period. I
like to know he's funny though.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
I like his work. Wasn't that great, I didn't think,
but his interviews were hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
You know, what was the story about losing to a
humber Dink? Was there a match or something they wanted
to do or they wanted you to lose?

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
I don't even remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Yeah, early memories of Ray Candy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Ray was a good guy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
He used to make me leaft though when they turned
us because we're partners, and then they switched this and
they had me working against him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
That means a baby facing him as a heel. He
was another one too. I couldn't look at him because
every time I'd go to look at my start laughing,
you know, because he'd make these faces and I just
just go off.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
I think it was like back in Japan. It was
like April of eighty seven. You and Maita had several
singles matches, but none of them like had legit finishes.
They were either like drawers or count outs. What happened
with it?

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Well, the thing was, I told him, I said, look,
I don't mind putting him over because he's up and
coming star. They kept no, no, no, no, you're a SIMPI.
We just want you the Jews or whatever. Okay, fine,
you know right, But I said, personally, I think you
should put the guy over.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
You know, this is my personal opinion. I said, he's
your future, you know. But they they didn't see it
that way.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
So you went back. Did you feel that, I guess UWF.

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
M all that it's kind of like the beginnings of
like UFC and Proud and all that at that time.
Did you feel that it was going to take off
like that, not the company because of the company, but
that style. Did you feel that that was going to
take off to what it's kind of become now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
No, I I had no idea. I had no idea
that it was gonna do what it did.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
But like I said, a lot of people don't realize
that these guys are the ones that started that, right
they started it, you know, people in no wrestling and
no history. No, but there's a lot of people that
don't notice. But they're the ones that actually started. But
nobody had no idea because they were doing something new
than nobody ever did before.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Also in Japan, your team, I think without Bus Sawyer
or maybe just toured with them.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
I just toured one. I never team.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
What are your memories of Buzz because a lot of
people say he was crazy as well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Oh he was another one too, he was totally office rocker. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Now back in the Stampede, you also had some good
matches with Brian Fullman, I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
Yeah, what are your memories of Brian. Brian was a
good guy. I liked him, you know, he was you know,
he was a football player and everything, and he tried
his best, you know, like he was under I told Brian,
I said, look, stay away from Bruce.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
He was under the influence of Bruce, you know, to
stay away from him, because the only thing you're going
to just ruin your career before it even starts.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
What about Owen Hart, What are your memories of some
of your early.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Matches with Owen?

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
At first, Owen was difficult to deal with, you know,
and I hated working with him when he first started.
He was in the business for four years. He just
got out of high school. Everybody knew it, you know,
the guy just climbed out of diapers and all of
suddeny won him and he was beating everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
I said, this don't make no sense.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
If you want sympathy for this guy, you have him
get in there and everybody kicked the crap out on
him first. Then you build him up and he wins
a match here, and he wins a match there that
people go for him. But you can't have him come
in here beating up everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
It's not gonna sell, and it didn't, and they start
killing the houses because people said this is bold.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Right. As far as corporate Kushner, what are your memories
about and from Stampede.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
He's another one that's crazy. I don't know, we always
seem to wind up with the crazy guys and uh
in this business, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
Yeah. One other thing about Owen too. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
After his second sting in the w WF, he woke
up to what the business was about and he realized,
I don't take it serious. It's a show business. Getting
in and make yourself so money, take care of your family.
And he realized that's what it was about, which when
he first got there. You know, I actually almost starting
to kill him in the locker room one time.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
Up in everything.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Well, they they had me working on Hogan at the time,
but Hogan worked three days a week, so then the
days that he wasn't working, they put me in with
owing the blue Blue blazer. And uh, they said, okay,
you go over Allen, you give him the get a blaster.
I'm giving the gain a blaster. Everybody the Hogan and
they're all selling it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
Right. So we're in Saskatoon and I get him to
get a blast of Pine one two three. I leave
the ring. I hear his big chair. I looked, he's
standing up.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
On the middle ropes with his arms over the air. Okay,
so I went to the agent. I said, you talked
to him, I said, because I said, you don't do
business like this, I said, you know, I'm work going hoping, right,
So they weren't told him. He said, hey, Alan's working
with your champ man.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
You know? So he didn't say nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
So now we get to Calgary, which is my hometown
as well as his. He had his whole family in there,
and they saying, nah, he shouldn't put Alan over because
everybody knows he's owing hard.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Because they was and told everybody the Blue Blazers owing hard, right,
And there they're going on and they're arguing back and
forth with the agent. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
I came in and I said, look, I ain't come
for you, no argument. We'll just I just get DQ
disqualified and don't worry about it. You know, it's no
big time. I'm home here. I'm happy to be home.
I don't need this nonsense, right, So okay, so we
did that. So now the next night we're up in
Edmonton and the same thing. He wanted to go over
and this and that and all this nonsense. So Dave
had nose and said, no, you either do it or

(01:27:03):
you go home. So Allen goes over. So finally he
did it, begrudgingly.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
So now.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
I go and I tell Earl who's Dave's because Dave
was still refereeing, and I told Earl. I said, Earl,
I'm telling you now, there won't be no misunderstanding because
you're the referee. If he jumps up on those ropes
and now I'm gonna kick the crap out walked away.
Earl wasn't told Dave they'd allen.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
You can't do that. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
I'm telling you, I don't care what you say. I
don't care if I get fired. I'm gonna beat the
crap out in the night.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
So sure enough, we get up there, get him to
get a blast of cover on one, two, three, go
to leave. Well, he seen me.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
We're in that hockey ring there, the hockey arena there
where the yeah not the saddle on the one and
the yeah, the big building it. So he sees me
go through the entrance and I make a right. Well
when you make that right, there's a wall head you
can't see me. So he figured I left. He jumps
upon the ropes and there it's this big cheer, and

(01:28:03):
I looked my head around. Okay, I walked back out.
He's coming out the ring and I hit him. Wow,
down he went, and I stopped putting the bootstore. Earl
was trying to grab me kill him. So I went
back and I said, let that be a lesson to you,
and I walked back and went back to the locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
I went into the locker room and I just gave
it to him.

Speaker 3 (01:28:22):
So let me tell you some of your little punk.
I said, if it wasn't for your dad, you'd be
selling programs here. I said, what is this nonsense? We
all have to put everybody over? I said, I had
to put your brother over a million times. You know,
what is this nonsense?

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
You know? But like I said, then years later he
learned what the business about.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
He realized that, you know, you got to go with
the program and that's it, and he became a decent
person after that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
One of your last matches before going to WF was
in Stampede with Benwell, what are your members of that?

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
I think? I had one match we were tagged up together,
and one match we worked in a little town and
I worked as a heel and I could just can
this kick just talent oozing out of them, you know?
But the one match was funny.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
They had him tagged up with me and they had
Steve DeSalvo and I think Mike Shaw. So all three
of us are big, and he was the smallest guy. Right,
So they figured, well.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
If anybody had a chance in this match, I would
wind up pinning them.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
I said, no, it ain't gonna work that way. To
Night said he's gonna pin Steve the Salvo guys. Any
problems with that? No, no problems.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Right. The hearts were so mandy because they didn't know
this was going on. Right, what I did? He got
He climbed up on the rope. I stood back, He
stood on my shoulders. He did that head but bump
covered them one, two, three.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
They were so many. The people went nuts. They went nuts.
He was the smallest guy in the ring. Right, he
went over. The people went crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
They were mad. Oh, then they were pissed off.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
How did you wind up in WF the first time?

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
Well? Yeah, the second the w w F. Yeah, I
was working for Junior. Okay, work for Junior Okay, Like
I said, they arrange it for me to go. I
didn't go my way.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
I've had the baby. And then Hogan went to Vince
because he was running out of opponents. Like Bruno was
there for fifteen years. He had the Belt for thirteen
and he made sure you can always bring this heel back.
I can work another program with him. But Hogan was
beating everybody. He was just destroying people where you couldn't
bring the guy back.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
Nobody wants to pay to see somebody that's already been
beat by him.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
Right, So he saw me down in Florida because he
lives in Tampa on TV and he's, oh, there's Alan
on that. He went up massed Vince. He says, well, anyway,
you can bring him anything. And so I was working
up in Edmonton and I came home because my in
laws are from there, so we stayed over. I got
home like five in.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
The morning and Brett called me up and I'm going, Brett,
what's he calling me?

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
The guy never speaks to me. He says, oh, Vince
van Man wants to speak to you. And I said,
what's he wanted to speak to me? He wants to
talk to you about something.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
So then hour later Vince calls up and now I'm
all half asleep and he says, hey, bad news. You know,
like which seen each other the other day and I
didn't seen him in years. He goes, this is Vincent Man.
I go who Vince Man said, all.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
Right, cut the crap out. Who is this? Because I
forgot Brad already told me I'm like getting la la la.
He says this is Vince and I said, oh, okay.
Then I stu. My head started clear and I realized, okay, so.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
I said yeah, and then he made all his promises
to come in and you know, it says, uh, you know,
the thing is, we never had a bad news in
here before.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
I said, I remember when used to work with my dad,
and he says, we like to bring you in here.
We got big plans for you and everything. You know,
we never had a Black World champ, and you know
you're a heel and this will be great to work
when Hogan's gonna go off and do a movie and
come back a year later. So the belt, Yeah, they
promised you all this stuff. Of course he never kept
his words out.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
Wow. More initial thoughts of Vince.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
I always say this to everybody, and this is a
true story. The guy was a genius, was.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
I say, because he's starting that he's really screwed up
the business marketing and he knew how to bringing wrestling
up on a big scale.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
But if you shook hands with him, count your fingers
because he was stabby in the back of steal your
fingers or whatever. Because the guy is a.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Snake in the grass. You can't believe nothing he tells you.
People would ask me all the time, is he actually
acting or is he really like that? I said, the
guy is being himself. He's an asshole in there being himself.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
More initial thoughts of the locker room. You pretty much
knew a lot of the guys from you know, the holidays.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Yeah, I knew most of the people there, So it
was a lot of tension in the locker room.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
It wasn't that same feeling that we all used to
get there and guys would rib each other and they
would be playing cards and they'd have a good time.
A lot of big money would start to get involved,
not like what they make now, but it was still
a lot bigger.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Than we're making. And there was a lot of tension
here because.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
This guy wanted to work with holding, because you knew
if you were on the card with him, you're going
to make big money.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
I guess were you accepted right away in.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
The locker room or I don't think so, because I
heard the story. Evince came up to me one day
and this, yeah, I understand that you get along with everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
Now I'm like, what is this guy talking about? You know,
because he actually thought, because he actually told me this,
this was his excuse. He says, well, yeah, we did
promise to give you the belt and everything, but he
claims it wasn't him. It was the office staff talked
them out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Huh yeah, oh yeah, really Vince, He says, yeah, I
wanted to put the strap on you, but they talked
me out of it. They said, well, you know, this
guy was a shooter and everything, and supposed he don't
want to give the belt back to.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
Hogan. And then he says, and I want to ask
you a question. I understand that Antonio and Luki paid
your two million dollars to be getting the ring to
break Hogan's arm. And I'm on, what are you talking about?
I said, are you crazy? I said, first of all,
one is he didn't pay me, no two million dollars.
I have no idea what you're talking about. I said.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
The second of all, if you put the strap on
me and I don't want to give it back, fire
me and make a new one.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
What's the big deal. You know, I said, I don't
want to carry anything around in my belt. I'm back anyways,
just more weight, that's all right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Did Hogan change it all?

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Though he was in on the top.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
I never really hung out with him a lot, but
I think he did. You could see it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
There was a change in him, you know, like he
took care of the guys that were his buddies because
it was just a big click there. Everybody had their
own little clique, their own little crew, and they looked
out for I was always the outsider, and that was
that worked in my gimmick well, because I was the
loaner and I didn't have no partners and all that,
so it worked good for me.

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
When Senior died, did he run the relationship with the
Junior run the relationship with the news Fani?

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
He ruined the relationship with everybody? You know, Senior had
good relationships with everybody. Like I said, there was thirty
three different companies. They all had their own TVs, their
own territories. Senior never stepped on nobody's feet. He would
come to you and say, Okay, I need ABC to
come work for me, and I'll send you CD and
they say, okay, they would switch off C D and

(01:34:49):
E would go and work for these guys for eight
or nine months or a year, and ABC would work
for him. Then they would switch off again. And that's
how he did business. This guy took over. I remember
that merchandise in contract they gave us. He says, okay,
not only can you not work for Japan, you cannot
work for anybody in the universe.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
The universe, man, I mean, this guy controls Mars and everything,
you know, Like that was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Where was you said you went to work for UWF.
Why did you leave New Japan that in like, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
Yeah, I left there because, like I said, they had
a new regime in there, and he left and I
wasn't getting the bookings and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
And what are your thoughts on Randy Savage?

Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
Randy is another crazy one they all. I think they
opened up all the nuthouses and they let Randy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
And I like working with Randy, but he was.

Speaker 3 (01:35:42):
How the word put it, you never knew how he
was going to be. That one night he'd work beautiful,
which you'd have great matches with him. The next night
he'd go off.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
Is it true? Like to put all his matches together
spot by spot.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Yeah he did, but I tell him, no, we just ring.
You know, I worked with him.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
He was a champ at the time in Master Square Garden.
We did the main event and he really took me
off because we went over the match. Said okay, he disappeared,
so I asked Elizabeth, I said, where is he? I
just want to go over one more time, make sure
everything's He says he went off with Vince. Well, Vince
was stir him up, get him crazy, right, So I
get in the ring. I was supposed to grab the
microphone and say, you know you're gonna have a new

(01:36:23):
champ from Hollom and go on from New York and
blah blah blah, and Lizard is probably back there doing
favors for Jack Tunney.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
And well, I get into the ring and somebody hits me,
I mean really hard, and I'm ready to fight because
I thought it was one of the audience comes out.
I look at him, so then I see it's him.
So I go in the corner and I'm selling and
he's beating on me and he had these boots on
it and he kicked me right and I had it
really hard, you know, And I said, what the fuck
do you think you're doing? And he says, this is

(01:36:52):
to wake you up. Big mistake. He woke me up. Now.

Speaker 3 (01:36:59):
I was so pissed off. Roll over the fence, and
they at that time you even touched the fence. You
gotta find him a thousand dollars. So I come out
after the matches overweight and I'm walking out the garden,
walking through the exit there and Vincents standing there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
He goes.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
I said, oh boy, he's gonna find me now, right,
So yeah, what is it? He says, best I seen
in this building in a long time. He was just,
you know, he was, oh really, oh thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
One of the guys that it was pretty ironic that
your program with at first was Brett, did you guys
bury the heat?

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
Not really. We just we went and did our job.
He did his job. I didn't mind, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
I pretty much kept an eye on him though, because
I said, any time he could pull something, and if
he does, he's gonna wind up.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
He's gonna be sorry for it. But I think he
knew that. He realized that that, you know, he was
gonna have trouble with me, so he figured just better
go with the program.

Speaker 4 (01:37:54):
At this point in your career, were you making more
money in WWF or did you make more money in Japan?

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
I actually, when you worked it out and everything, I
actually made more money in Japan because when I told
when Vince called me up that day and he says, look,
I want you to come work for me for five years.
He says, after that time, you're gonna make so much
money you can retire. You don't ever have to work again.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
This is what he told me. Right. So, one time
we're on the road, Davy dynamite a bread myself and
I never asked nobody about their money. What their money
is their business. What money I make is my business, right,
And so I called up my wife.

Speaker 3 (01:38:30):
He used to get we're on the road, and I said,
my check is cunning. Yeah, he says yeah. So I
said what did I get? He says, if I tell you,
you're gonna kill somebody. So I'm not gonna tell you.
I'm gonna wait till you get home.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
I said, what do you name? So I'm not gonna
tell you. Okay. So we used to take in advance
of one hundred dollars, you know, because we had to
pay for our cars and our rooms and all that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
Right, I get home and there's a check for two
and fifty dollars. So I said, okay, now I'm getting mad.
I'm gonna call a don't call Vince up because you
guys a little flunkies. Then I'm never gonna get him
on the phone. I'm I'm gonna wait till I see
him at TV. And I went in there and I said,
I didn't know when you told me to come here
you're gonna retire me in five years, that you're gonna

(01:39:09):
retire me to the poorhouse.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
I said, I never made two hundred and fifty dollars
years in this business. What the hell is this? You know,
it's He started with the excuses, I lost money on
that movie Novos Bar and this and that. And I
knew he was lying because that's summer. Usually smer, you know,
it gets slow. But for that year, we did good
business everywhere because of the movie, even though it was stunk.

(01:39:34):
So I knew he made go So what he was
doing was off the top, taking his money back that
he lost on the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
And we were all getting screwed, right, So I told him,
I said, hey, I don't need this, I'll go back
to Japan.

Speaker 1 (01:39:43):
He said, well, if you want to go our call,
I said, you don't need to call for me. Said,
I can pick up the phone and talk to you
Nikki right now. I said, I don't need you to
call for.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Me at all.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
I said, but this is this is bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
Come, yeah, so this is bullshit. I said, uh, you
know you bring me in here on all these lines.
You've been lying to me from day one, and this
is nonsense. So then he says, no, I got the plans.
And course it kept going on and on and finally enough's.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
Enough for it were thought on Dynamite around this time.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
You know, I was sorry that a lot of people
never got to see him at his best because at
that time, when he was in the WWF and they're
working as the Bulldog, he had a lot of serious injuries,
so he was on the decline. But if the people
could have actually seen him all over the world when
he was at his best, they would be in awe,

(01:40:31):
you know, because.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
Like I'm in or the guy now. I put in
a tape and watched the best.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
Of Dynamite like a couple of months ago, and I
just stood there and I said, you know, you forget
about how somebody is, and I just I can't believe
how good this guy was. You know, I still say
to this day, powerful Pound, he was the best ever,
without a doubt, and nobody's come close.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Maybe Chris Chris ben War. That's about it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
What do you remember to the first WrestleMania in the
Battle Royal that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
You were involved in at the Battle Roll, I thought
it was a big event. The way they did it.
I like the way they put it together and thing
to show, you know, And you know they decided that
was to suit me over after lying to me about
bringing me in. Okay, let's put him over the Battle Rold.
Maybe that'll keep him quiet for a while. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
If your matches with Brett, were there any problems with
you guys at all?

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
Or no?

Speaker 1 (01:41:18):
No, we went out there, we did our work. We
did our job.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
You know, how about Jim Lightheart? Good matches? When you
were working with.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
Jim, Jim was Jim. You tried to work towards his talent,
you know, but Jim was Jim. He was always the same.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
What do you remember the first main event against Hogan
in New Jersey?

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
In New Jersey, I you know, like I always said,
Hogan had charisma. He was a great talker. He wasn't
a great worker. But I knew if you got on
the show with him and you were out there.

Speaker 3 (01:41:47):
As a heel, you're just gonna be blown over because
people just loved this guy. Because I remember the one
time in Nashau Coliseum when I worked with him. I
think it was like twenty two thousand people or something.
You could not hear yourself thinking when he came out
to the room.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
I guess we were talking about payoffs a little bit.
You talked about the worst payoffs that you got. It
was like two fifty What was the biggest payoff he got?

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
Okay, wait a minute, that wasn't the worst payoff I got.
The worst payoff I got was five dollars for Titan
for No.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
It was for Mike Label.

Speaker 3 (01:42:18):
Because my partner, Victor Rivera, was having problems with his wife,
so he didn't show up. So he asked me, He says,
could you put in some time work with all three
of the Guerrero brothers. So I worked an hour and
a half. I worked at half an hour with each
one and we'd go Broadway.

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
And then I said okay, bring out another guerrero and
I'd wrestle with him half an hour.

Speaker 3 (01:42:39):
Bring out another garrel and he soul, don't worry, I'll
take care of you. Said, look, I got extra five dollars. Okay,
So he said, you know what you did last week
and want you to do it again? No, no, you
pay me what you was gonna pay Victor, and I'll
do it otherwise I ain't doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Yeah, that was my worst.

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
Uh, but my best payoff was when Japan Pro Wrestling,
when we went to Pakistan, that was my best fair.
We had like eighty thousand people show up.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
I guess as far as Jyd now and WF was
he a mess by the time he got the You
got to.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
Work with him in w W Yeah, yeah, he had
his problems and you know, Jyd had a lot of
the same thing with him. He had a lot of
charisma and good talk. He wasn't a great worker at all,
I don't think, but you know, he had his He.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
Had his problems.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Is a personal question. When they went to Pakistan, why
didn't he draw that big house? Who didn't know if
he wrestled that wasn't some Indian guys?

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
Well, actually, the first time he wrestled one of the
Bulla Brothers, which is a big famous wrestling family there,
and he actually broke the guy's arm right because the
guy wouldn't sell and he broke his own. So as
far as the Indians was concerned, he was the greatest
shooter every right, which he wasn't. So then the next
time we went with the eighty thousand people, I was

(01:43:52):
on the show, it was because of you knew you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
Right, ye did?

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
How come?

Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
Why would you say that was so strong to draw
eighty thousand people at that time in a country that
there's probably not a lot of wrestling with that area.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
Yeah, they were sending takes over there, but it was
the reason was strong because the people loved wrestling there
in India and then Pakistan. You know, they're the same people.
They just what devised him as religion, but they loved wrestling.
So when they heard that he Nuki was coming back
to Pakistan to wrestle, it turned out.

Speaker 4 (01:44:27):
So would you say, like in your wrestling career, Aoki
was probably the biggest draw.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Of anybody you ever worked with, more than more than.

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
Yeah, because Innuki could go all over the world and
he could draw uh Hogan was big in the States,
and years later, once Vincent's TV start going all over
then he became strong.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
But he Knuki was strong all over the world. Wherever
he went, he always had me follow him. I go
with him and take me with him. And actually when
we're in Pakistan, I wrestled him.

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
They had a tournament, and the tournament boiled down to
him and I because I was an Olympia and everything,
and at that time it was the time of the Olympics,
and people believed in what they saw.

Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
So and I told Nikki, I said, Antonio, I was
sick as a dog. I was there sick for a month.
I was sick for two weeks day and sick for
two weeks. When I got home, and the last day
we were there, we were in the shower and I
told him, I said, Antonio, you take me a lot
of places.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
I appreciate it. I wouldn't care if you gave me
two million dollars, No, make it three million dollars. I've
never come back here yet.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Back around the time when you were working with jyd
and what was a drug seemed.

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
Like, well, it was pretty bad. It was pretty There
was a lot of guys that were on it, that
were hooked on it, and they abused their bodies. They
abused themselves because they were on the road all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
You know. I don't know if that was the excuse
because I didn't do it, but it was. It was bad.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
You know, what are your memories of working with Kim Beaterra?

Speaker 1 (01:45:54):
Like I said, Ken wasn't a great worker, but it
was fun to work with them.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
I enjoyed working with Why didn't they the managers were
big back then. How come they never put you with
any of the top managers.

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
Well that was my gimmick, uh, because when I worked
for his dad, they had me with Blassi. But my
gimmick was when I came back that I was just
I couldn't get along with nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
That I was my own man.

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
And I did an interview once where I said, you know,
because they were talking about they were trying to work
a thing where Heenan was trying to recruit me, and
then heene said, the guy when I spoke to me,
he just looked at me and he just walked away
when he speak to me, you know, And I said, yeah, hey,
I don't need nobody stealing my money.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
I said, I could take care of my own money.
I could take care my own said, I don't need
none of these guys. You know, I traveled by myself.
I don't need nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
And that's that was Was that the officer's decision or
were you happy?

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Well that I was happy. I loved it because I
didn't have to put up a lot of these guys
that were doing.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
Stuff to that didn't do Did you get along with Bobby, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
Bobby, yeah, more or less. You know, I never was
around them that much. So you also got to.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Work with Ultimate Warrior. And you know, over the last
couple of months there's been a lot of talk with
Ultimate Ware as far as him being a worker and
stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
Well, you know, the Ultimate wasn't a great worker. He
didn't like the business. But he made a lot of money.
But uh, he just he just hated the business, he
really did. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
He was just in it for the money.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
Yeah, he was in it for the money. So was I.
But I tried to do my best.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
And actually we always tell a story about us being
in Bakersfield. Vincent pat came to me and they said, okay,
because they were pushing the Ultimate Warrior they said, we
want to have a dark match with you and him.
We want to see what it looks like and want
you guys to go about ten minutes. Okay, fire put
him over, no problem. So we go out there.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
So Davy Boy and him hung around and David asked
him who you working with? He says, oh, band news,
Oh boy? What what? What? What he got? He said, Man,
that guy's gonna blow you up. He said, he's always
in great shape, you know, because I used to blow
Davy Boy up all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
He turned purple.

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
So now we getting in it off the Ultimate Warrior
he comes. Of course, I go out to people to
the boy and he comes out. He's running around the
rig and he's shaking the ropes. Now he's blowing up.
We're not even into the match.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
It now we gotta go ten minutes, right, and we're going,
and we're working and working, and I got this guy
going all over the place right right, So now the
match is over with he pins me one, two three.
I leave the ring. I go to the back. I
hit his What the heck is that? I look? It's him.
They got two ushers carrying him in the back, right,
and I go Jim o you okay, he's like purple.

(01:48:21):
I thought he was going on a stroke. I said,
thank you, Ben, Yeah, I'm okay.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
So now they said, okay, you don't have to do
no interviews today tonight. So I told my wife she
was with me. I said, okay, just go away for
me in the car and take a shower.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
I come out.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
So I get in the car and my wife is
laughing the head off. I said, what's the matter. She said,
did you see? She said, I know you didn't see it,
but did you see the ultimate worry?

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
We left the ring.

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
I said no because I went back to the locker room.
She says, Well, as he's walking up the aisle. You
know they have that those railings and the people stand there.
She says, as he's walking up, people on both sides
passed out. I said, passed out? What are you talking about?
Passed out?

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
So, yeah, they pass out. What are you talking about?
I said, yeah, from a lack of oxygen. So he
came back. He sucked the ball. I just fell all
laugh But I got along with him.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
I liked him.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
He asked me a question one day, he says, I
got I got a question? He answer you? He says,
because I know that you're gonna tell me the truth,
not like these other guys. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
He says, Vince wants to know how much money I
want for this match with Hogan in Toronto? How much
should I ask for us? And a million dollars? Really said, yeah,
he's getting a million. He can't wrestle himself. Why shouldn't
you get the same a million dollars?

Speaker 1 (01:49:37):
He says, so you sure? I said, I'm telling you man.
All the guy can say is no answer for a
million bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
Right, It's okay. So now we're in Phoenix, Arizona. We're
wrestling there. Then we had three days off. Now he's
going up to Titan Towers and he asked me, are
you sure? I said, hey, just ask the guy. All
he can say is no, well he's gonna beat you
up or what he can't do that?

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
He says, Okay, He tells me I see him three
days later. I said, how to go, Jimmy, He says,
it went unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
He says, I walk in and Vince's always he amen
has a gun, he's always with the DS. Right, and
then he says, okay, what do you want for this match?
And he says a million dollars, says, you're paying him
a mean I want to mean too. Vince goes, okay,
that's fair, and then I said, okay, you remember that
you owe me a dinner?

Speaker 2 (01:50:19):
Did he pay up with the dinner?

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
I never came up with the dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
We talked a little bit about Randy Savage earlier on
were there any problems between you two as far as
involving Elizabeth and Spots at all?

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
Because he was really protective and stuff. Yeah, he was
protective over and he's really jealous of her, and he's
possessive over. But the only trouble we had was down
in one of the summer slams.

Speaker 3 (01:50:41):
I came into the ring I was supposed to it
was my turn to run in, and he jumped me,
and he kicked me in the gut and he almost
my whole lunch, almost wound up in my throat.

Speaker 1 (01:50:49):
And I figured, okay, he said, I'm going to get
him back for this. I ain't even gonna wait, right,
so I threw him in.

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
We were going around here and somehow we wound up
together and the people wanted to see us go at it,
and I threw him in and I gave him a clothesline.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
I closed line him in the throat, almost killed him,
almost killed him, and he went back there. He was
half dead, and uh Lis said, okay, guy turned to
be you know, but it was funny.

Speaker 3 (01:51:16):
We were down in uh Daytona Beach and we were
building up for him and I to work, and they
said they wanted uside have a pull apart where I'd
go in, and they had a jobber in there with me.
I beat him game to get a boss, a couple
of him, like in thirty seconds. Then I got on
the microphone.

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
I stopped calling Elizabeth out, saying she was doing favorites
for Jack Tunney and all this.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
He came out, He jumped on me, and we started
going around and they came in. They pulled us off right.
Vincent like it, he says to me. He said, he
didn't say nothing to me. He said it to him, says,
I don't like what I saw. He says he made
you look weak. You're the world champ. He says, you
should go out. You guys should do it again. Well,
I was against it. I said, Okay, we're doing CHIEV tomorrow.

(01:51:55):
Why don't we do it that there and people see
us do this already, you know. No, they wanted done right.
So Jake's father was still the agent, Grizzly Smith. Again,
that's hiss, Ben News. They want you back there. You
guys gotta do the same thing again. I said, just see,
let's do that, let's do it. To my said no,
they were okay, fine.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
So we go out there. Now he comes in. He's
fired up. He's throwing punches and he's kicking, and he's
trying to do all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:52:18):
I said, this guy is losing his mind. That's how
I took him and threw him down right. And they
came out and they pulled us apart.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
And when they did, I see this hand like going
for my eyes, you know, and I grabbed the wrist
and I looked and it was him, and I pulled
him away. So they pulled me out the ring and
he's only ape and he went to dive on me,
and I just stepped aside and went on the floor.
And I was just really mad, you know, so I
grabbed him. We're supposed to go back through the curtain,

(01:52:46):
and nobody actually saw what would happened, right, and I
actually grabbed him spun him around and I threw him
through the curtain. And then they had the big black
board up there with all the names of who was
gonna work with who that night, and I just came
in and just kicked the blackboard over. I was pissed.

Speaker 3 (01:53:00):
And they said, okay, bad news. You don't have to
do no interviews tonight. You could go home, right So
I said, okay, fine. I went in, took a shower.
I passed the room there where vinced they would always
set a room off for him, like his office.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
He's laying on the floor there, Elizabeth's fandom it and everything,
and he's all purple and looking there. And I just
looked in there, go Randy, you okay, yes, see you later.
And I walked up, took a show, and I went home.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
Was he pretty paranoid in general, because a lot of
people say he would would lot Elizabeth like rooms and
stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:31):
He one time went Indianapolis and I don't know where
he was. I was supposed to work with him that night.
I did work with him that night. And I walked
by and the door was open and she was sitting
in there, and I go, hey, listen, but how's it going.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
How you doing today? So fine, just come on there
and talk to me. Bad news?

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
I said, no, wait am I going to there? I
didn't say it to her. I'm thinking to myself, since
I gotta work with this kind of that, we're gonna
wind up fighting that ring, all right. So I just
stood in the doorway and I'm talking to hers.

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
Come on and sit down. I said, no, I got
something to do, you know, And I just spoke into that.
He was really very much.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
What about John Studd, You gotta work a little bit
with him?

Speaker 4 (01:54:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:54:04):
I like John. John was a good guy. He's one
of the good people in the business. You know. I was.
He broke my heart to when he passed away. To
what he did.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
I liked him, he used to but I used to
tell him all the time. John, he used to take
these growth home ownings or something. I said, what are
you doing there for? You're a giant already? He wanted
his thing was in his head. He wanted to be
bigger than Audre. It ain't what happened, So why kill yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
You know what about hrk You worked a little bit
with Herkles.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
Yeah. Hercules a good guy too.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
Bruce Beef geek, good.

Speaker 3 (01:54:34):
Guy, super guy. I enjoyed work with him. I knew
heay from Japan also, and he was he was like
almost like a brother the jogi, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
But uh he was good people. He wasn't that talent
and he was good.

Speaker 2 (01:54:45):
Ronnie Garvin and his chops, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
When they told me I'm working with Ronnie the next night,
he's in the baby Face locker room, I walked out
the locker room, went over to the baby Face lock
and I said, uh, Running understand you and I are
working uh tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
Oh yeah, piece of advice? What's that? Lead the chops
in the locker room? What I said, leave the chops
in the locker room. I'm not gonna say it again.
I walked out. So Earl Hedler was sitting in there
playing cars. He couldn't believe me this, did you hear
my pidding? Said Running Man. I meant it too. You
give me one of those chops. You're gonna get this
right across the chops.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
Did you have a pretty good rep in the locker
room as far as ment tough guy?

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
I think the guys thought that. I don't know why,
you know, but I was a no nonsense guy. I
didn't mess around. I didn't rib you. You don't rib me.
I come here and do my job, make money. You
let me make my money and going about my business.
But don't start up with me in the ring, because
then you're gonna in trouble. Do you think Haku is
the toughest? Probably, Oh yeah, without doubt, out of doubt.
All those all those guys from the Islands, they were

(01:55:49):
all tough. Peter my Vier, Uh, the Samoans, they were
all they like to fight, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
They. I used to enjoy being with those guys, and
they call me brother brother.

Speaker 3 (01:55:57):
Come on, let's go on. No, I ain't going out
with you guys. Is he gonna go out and get
in a fight? No, all all white up to jail,
no way.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
Were you there when Jack and Dynamite got their fight?

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
Uh yeah, I was there. I actually helped to break
it up.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
I was sitting in the locker room and uh, we
were doing TV at the time, and everybody came in
to eat lunch, and then I saw Tommy. We were
all actually it was Tommy pat Patterson. Uh yeah, Haku
was there and myself. We're the last ones in the
dining room and then I seen pat get up and leave,

(01:56:35):
and it was Haku him, Dynamite myself, and so we're
there shooting the breeze and then Dynamite says, okay, I
gotta go do some interviews because that dad didn't have
to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
I said, okay, fine, So he left and I'm talking
to Haku and I hear his rookies out in my
home and I said, what the hell is going on?
I come out there and I see Tommy. He's a
bloody mess, and he's he didn't he didn't go off
his feet, but he's like say, and I grabbed him
and then I looked over and I seen the biggest
your brother came at him, and I said, you even
come there, man, kill you right now, you know. And

(01:57:04):
his brother came around and I grabbed him and threw
him up against the wall and I said, get the
hell out of here, and I took Tommy and I said,
come on, let's go to the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (01:57:12):
We gotta clean you up. So I took him in
the bathroom. He was just a bloody mess. They hit
him with knuckle busses, right.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
So we get in there and I start cleaning them
up and I take his lip up, and he had
this ugly gash in his lip, you know, and he
says a little bit. I saw, man, you're gonna have
to go to hospital. This this don't look good. So
then Davey heard about it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:31):
He come running up. He came in the locker room
and he found me and hogging. Them came in there
because apparently they were in talking events. Well said, these
two ran.

Speaker 1 (01:57:38):
Down there and beating them to do the raft or third,
they're gonna kill us, you know, and said, who's gonna
kill you? Everybody?

Speaker 2 (01:57:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
So they came in there, and they came and they
found us. So Davey got mad.

Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
He wanted to go back there, I said, and he
knocked the few of his teeth out right, So I
said no, I said, look, first thing, we got to
get him some medical care.

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
So you take him to the hospital. We'll take care
of these guys, you know. So I came down there.

Speaker 3 (01:58:02):
I actually went down. I was going down to look
for him, but they took off, they disappeared. So what
they took him to the hospital. He came back from
the hospital, and of course now everybody got window what happened.
They were all pissed off because somebody liked the Roujo's anyway, right,
So they were really a deep crack. So they took off,
so Vince sent him home, they sent Dynamite home, and
they were gone for like a week, and the Rougios

(01:58:26):
came the first day back. Was on the show that
I was on, and they walked in the locker room
and they shook everybody's hand and I'm putting on my
boots and the one comes.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
Around me, the tall one, and he sticks his hand
out and he says, hey, bandam, house is going and
he stick his hand out to shake me. And I
looked at him and said, get the funk away from me.
So I don't like what you did, Just get away
from me right now, you know. And they just that
was the end of that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
You don't think it was deserved for what they did
to Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
No Way Shape before no Way Shape, before what they
did the Dynamite.

Speaker 2 (01:58:55):
Yeah, I mean from what happened with Jaques first, wasn't
it like a receipt or something.

Speaker 3 (01:58:59):
Well, yeah, I'll be because uh, you know, and Tommy
and that brought it on themselves too, because they used
to rib everybody, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:59:05):
But I was on the show that somebody screwed.

Speaker 3 (01:59:08):
Up their gear and they blamed Dynamite n them before
and they didn't do it because they actually left before
these guys even got there, so they didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
So this time they were innocent, which most times they were.

Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
Most times they always it was always they did something
to somebody, you'd always go it was Dynamite, the Davy.

Speaker 1 (01:59:23):
We know they did it, so it wasn't, you know.
And they had an altercation. He beat the crap out
of the little one. It was between them and I
didn't like what they called, you know, and I still
say to this day, until they proved different.

Speaker 3 (01:59:35):
Pat Patterson was in on it, because you don't jump
somebody when your boss is standing you don't do that.
Did you ever see anyone crack on the road.

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
Just totally crack up? Yeah, Cursinger did. He cracked up once.

Speaker 3 (01:59:46):
He ran across the border in Montana and he tried
to He was threatening Johnny Smith because him and Johnny
was sharing a room together. He was gonna kill Johnny,
and poor Johnny is a nice guy, you know, who
was going on and then he jumped out the van
and ran across the border and they was chasing after
him and all, and so he cracked up.

Speaker 2 (02:00:02):
On the roof. What are your early members of Dusty and.

Speaker 1 (02:00:06):
Dusty and the w W.

Speaker 3 (02:00:08):
Well, actually, the first time I met Dusty, they just
brought me in from Japan. And we're in the locker
room and S. D. Jones came in right and he
started talking to SD and he started using the N.

Speaker 1 (02:00:21):
Word and this and that, and I'm sitting there there
and this guy don't even know me, right, you know
what gives you the right to even say that? So
I didn't say nothing. I just okay, all right. So
now after he left, I called SD over and I
called him out, and I said, why do you go
to talk to you? What's wrong with you? Man? Oh?
He's my man? I said, No, he ain't your man.
When he's talking to you that way, you don't never
let nobody talk to you that way. What's wrong with you? Man? Okay?

(02:00:43):
So now six months down the road, I'm in Japan.
This the masisteron Square Guard Tacked tournament. He's on there,
Stan Hansen and Dusty against Dick. No excuse me, I
got it wrong. It's Dusty and the Nookie again. Stand
Hansen and me they wanted me to do the job.

(02:01:04):
Saka Guccie said a word over. Okay, let dusty opinion.
So you go back and tell Sacha Gucci that ain't
gonna happen. And I never refused to do a job
for anybody because I didn't care. I was in this
to make money. I didn't have the big ego. Sure,
what do you mean he ain't gonna do that, That's
what he said. He ain't doing the city. They wanted
to beat me. Let a Knuki be me and they ain't, Dusty,
ain't it ain't happening today, you know. So then finally

(02:01:27):
they said, okay, we're gonna change it around and Nuki's
gonna beat Alan and he goes for why said you
gonna talk though?

Speaker 2 (02:01:35):
Right?

Speaker 1 (02:01:35):
So he came over and he asked me, why do
you want to do it for me? Say, truth of
the matter is, I don't like you. And I said,
you try something in the ring and I'm going to
stress the hell of it. And that's the only time
I ever threatened anybody in the ring. And I meant
it too, and I was gonna beat this fat butt
in the ring. And so Stan goes, just don't go crazy.

(02:01:56):
To thy, so what are we talking about? Dusty? Okay,
So I told Duscy, I says, you know, I said,
it ain't happen today. I'm not doing no job for you.

Speaker 3 (02:02:05):
So now we get out there and standing out, we're
beating a crap out of I mean, we're just throwing
him everywhere. He's taking bumps all over the place. When
the new key would come in, we would sell like chamo.
So now we get into the bus and stand sitting
at the back, and I'm sitting across from uh from Blassie,
and I called the general and he.

Speaker 1 (02:02:24):
Comes in and he's almost like in tears. This guy.
He didn't give me anything either, mean, and I turned
around and I look at stand. He looks at it,
and we poked his bust out laughing and said, sometime
it bees that way. Is it true that when he
came into uh w.

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
W F did you ever go to Vince about Sapphire's name?

Speaker 1 (02:02:45):
Yeah? I think yeah, that's a true story. Uh. This
is when they they came up with this thing which
comes going to go half black, half white. Well you
heard what I said down there, okay, yeah, and they well,
how you think this go? This is gonna go, but great,
this is gonna be big. I'm lying through my teeth
because I figured one of the brothers gonna kick this
guy's but man, because I couldn't stand uh the piper.

Speaker 3 (02:03:08):
But I told him, I said, de vince one other
thing too. I said, let me explain something to you.
I don't like the idea that you insult my people
would go what do you mean? I said, you call
her sapphire. I said that was a racial slur towards
black women. I said, you better change her name.

Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
I'm gonna do it. I didn't know. Nobody told me
he's lying because he's just a few years younger than me.
You know, he knew that came from the M's and
Amy show. He says, oh, I'm gonna change the name.
He called a sweet sapphire.

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
You know, like, give me a break, were you gonna
tell another show?

Speaker 7 (02:03:35):
We're talking about Kershner and everything. Hanson going through the crowd.
Oh yeah, one time I'm wrestling with Hanson is his partner.
This is before he went over to all Japan, and
he used to go.

Speaker 1 (02:03:48):
Out in there audience and he need to be beating
people up, and people are running all over the place
and everything, and I'm right next to him and we're
going down and we're chasing the people. We're outside and
there's this guy sitting there. Here's a monk as this
monk's had on and he's got the thing, and he's
just sitting there and he's looking at us. I grabbed
stand and I said, we go this way. This is
what happened. I said, that guy will kick the crap

(02:04:08):
out of us. You know, would be messing with him.

Speaker 4 (02:04:12):
I heard one time though, somebody it was Tiger was
in a FMW with Sab and them and they beat
up one of the yakuzas when Tiger was doing that,
and like ten guys beat up. Like Tiger ran out
and in the locker room and ten yakuzas beat them up.

Speaker 1 (02:04:28):
It's pretty bad.

Speaker 3 (02:04:29):
I'll tell you a story about the Yakizan Bob Worton Senior,
Well he's junior. He was in Japan with me on
the tour. We're down in in Qshu, which is big
for Yakizans down there. They promoted the show. Okay, him
and Chris Adams on the show, so now we do
the show. They took those guys out to eat for

(02:04:51):
dinner across the street from the hotel we're at.

Speaker 1 (02:04:54):
So I come out, I look out the window. There
I see Chris Adams throw this guy with a juno
throw on ground. Well, his brother was Neil Adams, was
a world champ in judo and he was Olympic medalist,
so Chris did judo also. So now they go back
in this bar and Orton's down there and Chris. So,
now Chris is riss wrestling this guy on a glass table.

(02:05:16):
The guy they break the table, right, they get into
a scuffle. The head guy that promoted this show was
the godfather in that town. He comes over and he says,
what's going on? Cut it out?

Speaker 8 (02:05:26):
Bob hauls off and kicks him in the nuts. The
guy goes down. So now I don't know this is
going on.

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
Right, I'm in my room watching TV, go to bed
and everything I come downstairs with getting ready to leave
go to the next town. The lobby is full of
Yaka's arms. It is about fifty of them there. They're
looking for Orton. Well, what the heck happened?

Speaker 3 (02:05:43):
So they told me what, oh man, this is serious,
because these guys will kill him. What happened was the
office found out what he did. They made him pack
his clothes at night. They shipped him off to Tokyo.
They sent him off to Tokyo and got to the office.
They paid him his money, they sent him home.

Speaker 1 (02:05:58):
So now the Yakazans went to the next town because
this guy promoted that town too, and they showed up
in force. They were gonna they were gonna kill Bob
right and we get there.

Speaker 3 (02:06:08):
They're looking for him and they realized that he's not there.
They call up their associates in Tokyo to go to
the hotel to look and see if he's there, but
they found out he already left.

Speaker 1 (02:06:16):
He went back to the States. Wow. A month later
they sent them back to Japan again.

Speaker 3 (02:06:20):
I'm going they're trying to get the officers trying to
get this guy killed. Man, because these guys they got
people all over they're serious, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:06:27):
I said, what you know, what was you thinking? Man?
Are you crazy? So I was drinking out of order,
So I said, man, you don't know how close you
came to getting killed. I said, when I came downstairs,
there was fifty them in that lobby. They were gonna
do you you know, wow, is it is?

Speaker 2 (02:06:38):
It true that Bob Orton. Then somebody killed Frankie one time.
They gave him it was Slater and Slater and Orton.

Speaker 1 (02:06:48):
Well, I don't know if if Dynamite now was there.
My bet was they did it or you don't know
who did it?

Speaker 2 (02:06:55):
But was it Slater and Orton shot at Matilda with steroids?

Speaker 3 (02:07:00):
No, that Dynamite never did that. Yeah, those guys they
used to play some serious ribs. Because I'll tell you
a story. I went to I was intwork and I
went to rent a car at budget and I gained
my name, gave my credit card, my license and everything,
and they said who do you work for? And I

(02:07:21):
said Titan Sports. And the guy looks at me, goes,
I'll be right back. He went inside there, his manager
comes out. He says, excuse me, He says, we can't
rent your car.

Speaker 1 (02:07:31):
So why not? He says, well, Perry Orton and the
one that was killed up in Canada in the car accident,
Adonas we're together, they're all high onland in mind. They
pull a car up, get on the train tracks, leave
the car to train his car. So of course anybody

(02:07:52):
from Titan Sports. Wow, I said, well, what does that
have to do with me. No, we're not renting no car.
We got to write it, so I had to go
to I think I had a row two dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:08:03):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:08:03):
Those guys are nuts, man.

Speaker 2 (02:08:05):
What are your thoughts on Pat Patterson another guy.

Speaker 1 (02:08:08):
The first time I met him, he tells me, uh,
this is my second day in the business.

Speaker 3 (02:08:13):
They brought them over because Andre and them were gonna
do the show and do the tour, but we had
the special match first and then the tour started.

Speaker 1 (02:08:21):
So I meet Pat.

Speaker 3 (02:08:22):
They introduced him to me, and he says, I want
you to understand. He says, you know I'm gay, don't you?
And oh, okay, fine, I'm from New York. I mean,
how are you gonna shock me? And he says, did
you hear what I said? I said, yeah, you said
you're gay. So long as you don't try to jump me,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:08:35):
Care what you are.

Speaker 2 (02:08:39):
Why do you think in WWF you never had a
real big pay per view match with a Hogan or Savage.

Speaker 1 (02:08:44):
Like I said again, Vince just lied to bring me
in there. He wanted to prove that he can get
me in because I refuse to come in. And he's
one of these kind of guys. He's a power freak.
He has to have his way. And once he got
me and he lied to me, and then he just
never kept his word.

Speaker 2 (02:08:57):
How did you find out about your program with Roddy
Piper thoughts on the program at first.

Speaker 1 (02:09:01):
Well, the whole thing was just a total lie. You know.
I came in there and they said, Okay, we're gonna
put you with Piper. We think that could be a
good match and everything. They said, we got big plans.
You guys are gonna go all over the territory and
you're gonna do this and that, and of course after
the rest ofmen he six. They just totally lied to
me and they said, uh.

Speaker 3 (02:09:19):
When I came back, we actually had two weeks off
when we started up in Providence, Rhode Island. Well, I'm
getting myself up to go with Piper because I know
somewhere down the road before the weeks out, I'm gonna
wind up kicking his ass.

Speaker 1 (02:09:29):
I knew that I didn't like his mouth for anything.
The guys are racist and all that. So I come
in and I said, okay, we're match Piper and Irn.
They said, uh, you're not working with Piper. You're working
with Jake to snake, I'm gonna go really so, did
anybody tell you so? No, the for us, I heard
of it. You guys are working on an eeventors so fine,
and I was happy. I was happy.

Speaker 3 (02:09:49):
I was still because I know sooner or later, like
I said, i'd have got fired because I didn't wind
up kicking his butt, and I was. I love working
with Jake. He was a good guy to work with.

Speaker 2 (02:09:57):
How did you find out that Piper was gonna wear
the black face?

Speaker 1 (02:10:00):
Oh? They called me in the office and told me
they were gonna do it. This is when I called
Vince on the thing about Sapphire.

Speaker 2 (02:10:05):
What was your reaction about the papers?

Speaker 1 (02:10:08):
Well, I thought it was the stupidest thing I ever seen,
and I figured, let him go ahead and do it,
and one of these brothers are gonna get and when
of the town's gonna get all of him, and he's
gonna be sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:10:17):
When you told Vince about that, you know what was
his reaction, Well.

Speaker 1 (02:10:20):
He thought, you know, we think this is a great idea,
This is good. What do you think, Yeah, it sounds great, Vince.
And then after Piper left the room, then that's when
I told him about Sapphire. You know, I didn't like
the idea that he was calling that moment.

Speaker 2 (02:10:33):
The one match you guys had was a double count out.
Why was there not a decisive finish?

Speaker 1 (02:10:37):
Well because he was bitching and complaining. He didn't want
to They actually wanted him to put me over right.
He didn't want to do it, you know, And I said, look, man,
I'm not about winning belts. I'm not about winning some
phony championships. I'm about making money. You're gonna pay me.
I don't care what we do. One is I ain't
gonna do no job for him if he ain't gonna
do one for me. So we could have a well

(02:10:59):
how about don't count sure?

Speaker 2 (02:11:01):
Do you think you should have went over anyway? Because
Piper was part time and you were there full time?

Speaker 1 (02:11:05):
I thought so, but they didn't.

Speaker 3 (02:11:06):
And then, especially when the paid disparity wound up, he
wound up getting fifty thousand dollars US and they paid
me ten grand US in two thousand Canadian I really,
that's that was it.

Speaker 1 (02:11:18):
That's this is it. I had enough of this.

Speaker 2 (02:11:20):
Did you know Piper from California?

Speaker 1 (02:11:22):
No? I never met him in California the first time
I met him was in Japan. He came over. He
was the Canadian mass man of soon.

Speaker 2 (02:11:29):
I guess when you worked with Jake? What was he
like at the time? Did you like him?

Speaker 3 (02:11:33):
I love Jake, I still do, you know. Like I said,
he's one of the top three talents that I enjoyed
working with. Dynamite was always my favorite. Jake was second,
and Ricky Steamboat. You know, Jake has his problems is
well known, you know, But as far as the talent goes,
the guy was great and I love working.

Speaker 1 (02:11:53):
It was a night off when I worked with him.
It was a night off.

Speaker 2 (02:11:56):
Did you find it odd that you did jobs pretty
much everywhere around the horn prior summer?

Speaker 1 (02:12:01):
I didn't care. I didn't care because I gave him.
I told him I was leaving. They knew it. They
knew sooner or later.

Speaker 3 (02:12:06):
Because I had enough of the Lion, I had enough
for the phony promises, and I gave Actually the day
that I got fired, I gave him I notice that
I was leaving this and no they baked me to
stay in November with the thing is no you're not fired,
No you can't quit, you're fired.

Speaker 1 (02:12:21):
That type of thing.

Speaker 2 (02:12:21):
How are you treated on the way out. What do
you mean prior before you got fired?

Speaker 1 (02:12:26):
Oh, I was doing jobs and everything. And then of
course Vince and I never said nothing. I did the
job to have me.

Speaker 3 (02:12:31):
All of a sudden they put me on night heart.
I'm doing a job for him. They put me that
when I could see the hand right on the wall. Right,
this will be punishing me now, okay, So I didn't
say anything. We get there and I said, I asked Vince.
This is what really made me laugh. I said, Vince,
what's going on?

Speaker 1 (02:12:44):
You know? Like he brought me here with all these
promises and now all of a sudden you jobbing me out?
What do you mean you're being jobbed out? Vince? You're
not gonna sit there and tell me you don't know
what's going These guys do not sneeze and wipe their
nose without your say. So nobody told me nothing. What
the heck's going on? That's a Vince. You're doing a
good job. Back to that, right, know, like cut the crap?

(02:13:06):
All right? Oh yeah, I told him right there.

Speaker 3 (02:13:09):
Actually, the last time that I had to run in
with Vince was when I gave my notice and I
was in San Francisco. We were supposed to wrestle Sacramento.

Speaker 1 (02:13:20):
I get in there. We're gonna wrestle the Sacramento that night,
go up to Sacramento, and then the next day wrestle
San Francisco. So I get in the car and I
tell everybody the story. My wife was there with me
because when we did the California Swing, i'd get her
a ticket because I had so many Frequent Life ones.

Speaker 3 (02:13:36):
And she gets in it and I'm driving, and she says, Alan,
I'm gonna say something to you. She says, I never
got into your business. You always did what you want
to do. But I'm gonna say something because I love
you and I don't like what I see, she says.

Speaker 1 (02:13:48):
And she just gave it to me.

Speaker 3 (02:13:50):
When I got out the cars, about two feet tall,
this big, and I couldn't say a word. And I said,
you know, she's right, She's right, said they lie to you.
They've done now, they jobbing you this and that and Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:14:01):
So now we're in Alabama, in Huntsville and we're supposed
to be at TV at twelve o'clock. I show up
at six. I'm there, right, I'm not going in. I
left my stuff in the car. I'm going in the
last thing I'm gonna do in life is tell Vince off.
And I mean tell them off. Right. So now I

(02:14:21):
come in. I walk in and everybody's looking at me. Oh,
then see me coming right because they knew I was
always on time. It was.

Speaker 3 (02:14:28):
There's never later or anything. Right here, I walking at
six o'clock. There's this lineup. You gotta make like an
appointment to see this, you know, mister god. I walked
in and I said, who's in there with Vince? They
said Greg Hammer Valentine. Open up the door and Greg
is sitting in there. I said, Vinces, hey, benws, how's
going I said, I want to see you. He says, well,

(02:14:48):
I got Greg here first, and then no, no, no,
After Greg leaves here, you're.

Speaker 1 (02:14:52):
Gonna see me. And I went out the door and
I just stood there like this, and I waited, and
they're all looking, Oh, something's.

Speaker 3 (02:14:58):
Gonna happen tonight. Right as he came out, he goes, uh, man,
this what's going on? I said, cut the crack? And
then I just gave it to him.

Speaker 1 (02:15:04):
I said, I'm sick of you're lying to me. I said,
I'm sick of you're bs and me. I said, you
brought me here on the line, and I'm sick of it.
I said, as up tonight, you got my notice I quit.
You're right, You're right. I didn't keep my word to you.
And he was all humble at everything, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:15:21):
And it was funny because when I walked in there,
Pat was sitting in there and I said, you get
out of here.

Speaker 1 (02:15:27):
I said, you heard what I said. Don't make me
say it to you again. Get out.

Speaker 3 (02:15:30):
He took off right. And then I'm in there and
I'm just giving it the Vince. I'm just laying it
in it on the record. And then Pat opens up door.

Speaker 1 (02:15:36):
I said, what did I tell you? He read to know? Now,
Chief just stromball because he loved it. He loved it.
I told Vince.

Speaker 3 (02:15:42):
Off right, he says, Alan, if you open up that door,
fifty guys with a fella in the group trying to
do He said, old man, I can't believe he said
that the mess, you know, he said, you open up
fifty guys with a fella And he said they were
all listening and said, hey, I told the truth.

Speaker 1 (02:15:54):
You know. The guy brought me in here on Fos Street.

Speaker 4 (02:15:56):
Was that meeting before after the nails incident where he
just got punched out before before before because you were
stampede guy, did you kind of for you didn't get
the ribs from the bulldogs kind of like where they
got you?

Speaker 1 (02:16:11):
Well?

Speaker 3 (02:16:11):
No, the thing it was, they knew me from Japan.
They knew I was a no nonsense guy. I didn't
rib nobody.

Speaker 1 (02:16:16):
They knew. I don't think you want to rebel? It's
good idea.

Speaker 2 (02:16:19):
What were some of the big ones you saw?

Speaker 4 (02:16:21):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:16:21):
They they actually I got on them about this. They
took one guy and they uh took a hypodermic needle
and they ejected air into his fans. And I told
I just gave it to him. I said, you can
actually kill this guy?

Speaker 4 (02:16:38):
What the wrong?

Speaker 1 (02:16:39):
And then the guy that they was doing it too,
I jumped all over him, what's wrong with you? You know?
He didn't know, you know, And I said, you can
actually kill this guy. Man, I don't even let me
see you do that. I just gave it to you know,
I couldn't, you know, I said, that's a bit much.
That's serious.

Speaker 2 (02:16:53):
Were they almost like almost children? Almost?

Speaker 1 (02:16:56):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:16:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:16:56):
Oh yeah, those guys every day. Yeah, they would just
rip everybody. You know, I just love those guys. But
they were just like two big babies.

Speaker 2 (02:17:04):
How'd you wind up back in on a nudge pant?
You just call the office?

Speaker 3 (02:17:07):
And well when I left there, they after I spoke
to Fence. Uh, he said, okay, we're gonna send you
a ticket to come down to Alabama. You do TV, right,
So I said, okay, I said, do you know I'm
with New Japan Pro Wrestling. I said, I still got
some independent dates to do. I said, I'm going to
do those because I never stood nobody upright. It's okay,
finish what you gotta do. Explain it to the office.

(02:17:30):
Then he said, come do TV for us. So now
I went to do TV and Tiger what was the
big Korean's name, Young Lee was there. He went stooge
on me right away, called the office. They actually called
my house looking for me, and my wife says, he's
not here. When's he coming back?

Speaker 1 (02:17:47):
Said he's going to be back in a couple of days.
You told them calls and we'll get in. So I
called him and uh, they said, what's going on? And
I told him, I said, this is the story. I said,
I'm going to finish up with you. I'm supposed to
work with Inuki in Rome. I said, I'm gonna do
those and I got all my dates. Once I finished,
then I'm gonna go work for that. I said. I
got a chance to make big money, they promised me.
So then we got the room. I spoke to in

(02:18:09):
Nooki and he says, look, he says, you one of us.
You want our family. He says, You've always been good
to us, You've always been helpful. He says, anytime you
want to leave there, you got a home here, just
call me up. We'll have you under that show. And
that's how it worked out.

Speaker 2 (02:18:25):
No, this time around, you're now a former WF star.
Was a different at all for you?

Speaker 1 (02:18:30):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (02:18:31):
Well, the best thing you always try to look at
the best of a bad situation, and the situation was bad.
But the good thing was I got a lot of
TV exposure, so I can go to the Independence and
they knew who I was, because before that, nobody knew
who I was because I.

Speaker 1 (02:18:45):
Was working in Japanos or Europe somewhere. So a lot
of people in the States had no idea who the heck.

Speaker 2 (02:18:51):
Bad news was how much had I been well improved
by that time.

Speaker 3 (02:18:55):
Oh, he was improven by leaps and bounds, because yeah,
he was in Japan for a year and a half there,
and then, you know, I actually tried to get him
when I was there into into the WWF and vincent, Oh,
I'll take care and everything. Of course, nothing happened. And
then he went down to w CW, and I didn't
know he was. I'm happy down there because one time

(02:19:16):
he came into town, he called me up. He says,
I'd like to take you out to lunch and just
talk to you, you know, and he was telling me
what was going on in the w CW. Because I,
you know, I didn't work there, so I didn't know
what was going on. No, I actually called up down there,
and I called up the office at least fifty times.
Dusty was the booker there, right, so I forget, this
ain't gonna work. So the actually the woman that would

(02:19:39):
answer the telephone, she actually start to think that that
she wasn't given I was thinking that she wasn't given
the message is to Dusty.

Speaker 1 (02:19:47):
She says, Okay, Dusty's in here. I'm gonna leave it
on a speaker phone so you can hear for yourself, right, okay.
So now she says Dusty bad news on the phone again.
He's trying to get I ain't got no time for
that asshole, he says, going him, I'm not here. All
she did was said, did you hear that? I said, fine,
no problem. That was the less on earth. I hadn't
seen him. And so today, how was he today with it? Hey? Brother?

Speaker 6 (02:20:12):
Was a me.

Speaker 1 (02:20:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:20:15):
You're saying about them?

Speaker 3 (02:20:16):
Lunch had Yeah, So I had lunch with Chris and
he told me how he was unhappy down there and everything.
And I said, well, you know, if there's anything I
could do for you, because you like my son, man,
I said, you know, I'll do it. And I said,
but if you're going to go to the w w F,
do yourself a favor. Don't talk Vince.

Speaker 1 (02:20:34):
I helped your career along, because he will screw you left,
right and center just to get back at me because
we were that close.

Speaker 2 (02:20:41):
What are you remembers of the Larry Cameron?

Speaker 1 (02:20:44):
I didn't know Larry that well. I met him a
couple of times. Actually, they tried to bring him in
because when I left Stampede and I was down and
working for Vince, they was trying to make him in
my mold. But so one time when I came into town,
they said, well, can you just come out and just
be with him to get him over, And so I
came out to people went nuts. So I told, oh, yeah,
this is my cousin and everything. So of course he.

Speaker 3 (02:21:05):
Started getting some heat, you know, but I really know
that way. What about Vader total asshole that God believed
it is on BS?

Speaker 1 (02:21:14):
You know, like we're in one town one time, and
and it's Vader and Uh and Brad, Brad Riggins and myself.
We're in the six man tag. We're against Choshue I
think Kendall Kidmore and one of the one other kid,
and Choshi was the Boston right, So they came to me.
They would always come and tell me to finish because

(02:21:35):
they figured I was the senior, right, So they said, Alan,
they said, Choshu's sick today, don't go too long in
the matches, right, So okay, fine, nobody, Hey, the less
time the better for me.

Speaker 2 (02:21:44):
I don't care, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:21:45):
So I told Brad, I said, you're gonna even Brad
no problem right, looking over he's Paltain. What's wrong with you?

Speaker 3 (02:21:54):
I can't get none of my high spots and are
you crazy? I looked at Brad, we looked at the
sol laugh and said, these guys are total mark man.
What do you do if they tell you to go
less time? You should be happy? Less time you have
to spend the ring less time? Chance you got wind
up getting hurt.

Speaker 2 (02:22:06):
You know what about Jono.

Speaker 1 (02:22:11):
Guy, Yeah he was. He was my junior also and
they made him boss it, but he was he was
good people.

Speaker 2 (02:22:16):
How about a Doug Furnace and Dan Crawfitt.

Speaker 3 (02:22:19):
Doug Furnace and Dan Cara, Yeah, yeah, they were both
good guys. I worked with them down in Mexico.

Speaker 2 (02:22:26):
What happened with a snake in Mexico? Was there a
snake story?

Speaker 1 (02:22:28):
Yeah? It was funny.

Speaker 3 (02:22:31):
This used to irritate my wife too, about the snakes,
because I'm not afraid of snakes at all. And she
just really disliked this.

Speaker 1 (02:22:37):
He said, you know, he's trying to make a fool
out of you, and he just wants to have you
out there like you're scared and all this. You know,
it's going back to Amos and Andy Time and Stephen
Fetcher and all that. She really got mad about it,
you know, And I said mad I don't worry about it.
You know, I know who I am. I don't have
to worry about it. So I get down to Mexico
and I just finished working with Jake. They fired me
out of the w WS.

Speaker 3 (02:22:56):
So I go down and to work because I used
to work for them before, and they asked because I
come to work for.

Speaker 1 (02:23:01):
So this kid throws the snake up in the ring,
a lot of snake, and I look over gover and
I step on his head and kill it. And now
they get his prianoid killed. My snake should have thrown it.
You know. I'm scared of snakes. So I panicked.

Speaker 2 (02:23:20):
Members of wrestling in Young Sexton, hard.

Speaker 1 (02:23:22):
Castle, Sex and Hardcastle.

Speaker 2 (02:23:25):
Is that Adam, I think?

Speaker 1 (02:23:27):
So? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love work with him. He's
a good guy, good guy. He was funny. We're in
one town in Montreal. Uh No, it wasn't Montreal. It
was just before Montreal. And of all the years in
the business, I never seen this before. The people came
there to the arena, the places packed. They hated the
baby faces. He always had one or two, always like

(02:23:48):
the heels and everybody. It was different. And he was
in the main event with me, right and he's panicking.
I wish I do. Oh my god, they hate it. Yeah,
I said, hey, you wrestled with me every night for
a month, Right, you become me, I'll become you. And
that's the way we did it.

Speaker 3 (02:24:03):
He came out there and people just boot him. They
were throwing things at everything. They would cheering me at all,
you know, And that's the way we did.

Speaker 4 (02:24:10):
Do you think the toughest Japanese wrestler that you wrestled?

Speaker 2 (02:24:15):
What do you mean the toughness like shooting wise?

Speaker 3 (02:24:17):
Shooting wise? Well, you had Choshi, he was a good shooter.
You had Saka Gucci was clumsy as hell. I hated
working with him because he'd always get hurt. He trip
over his feet and into your face.

Speaker 1 (02:24:26):
There was always something, always a calamity worker with him.

Speaker 3 (02:24:30):
And uh, yeah, you had Choshu, you had Sakka, Gucci, Muto.
I always liked Muto. He was He was pretty tough too.

Speaker 2 (02:24:39):
It would be the toughest like in a bar fight,
for street fight, in.

Speaker 1 (02:24:41):
A bar fight.

Speaker 3 (02:24:42):
None of those guys, if I was in a bar
fight or whatever that happened, always would.

Speaker 1 (02:24:48):
Be I would.

Speaker 2 (02:24:50):
Do you have any earlier memories about Chris Jericho.

Speaker 3 (02:24:53):
Chris Jericho, Yeah, I met him. He was doing shows.
We're doing shows out in Winnipeg for independent out there.
Don Callis who used to go with Cyrus Right. We
used to go out there and work for him, and
I was just kid that he's got talent.

Speaker 2 (02:25:05):
You know, what are your memories of Don?

Speaker 1 (02:25:08):
I like Don.

Speaker 2 (02:25:09):
He's funny.

Speaker 1 (02:25:10):
Don is funny. He just cracks me up, you know,
he just cracks it. He used to go out there
and he actually brought me in when I got my
knees operated on everything. He always took care of me,
you know.

Speaker 3 (02:25:19):
He'd bring me in as a manager, as his manager,
and he'd go out there and he insulted the people
and they go after them.

Speaker 1 (02:25:24):
He jumped behind me and come on, you know, he
was funny. He was good.

Speaker 2 (02:25:28):
He also worked with Christian a little bit. Christian Cage.

Speaker 3 (02:25:30):
Yeah, he's another one too. We used to call him
THIEFI all the time because he used to do this
uh male nurse when he first started right. And so
one time they came down to do a show at
the saddle Doome and I've seen him. We gave each
other big huts. I said, hey, Fife what's going on?

Speaker 1 (02:25:48):
You know, we're talking everything, and so Earl Heppner standing
next to me, and then he walked away and he goes,
why'd you call him FIEFI said, Oh, that's just the
name we get. You know, he used to do this male,
no gimmick. Right.

Speaker 3 (02:25:59):
So then the next day going to the airport there
any airport, of course, you know the boys anything, they're
river the right, they haven't page.

Speaker 1 (02:26:06):
Well, mister Fiefee, please come pick up the white phone.
You gotta message out who the hell is that? You know,
he figured it was I that did it. You know,
he's a good guy. Up.

Speaker 2 (02:26:15):
When you worked for Don Kallis also you did commentary,
I think, yeah, did you like doing the commentary?

Speaker 1 (02:26:19):
Yeah? I enjoyed it. You talked a little bit about
Ricky Steam But what was it like working with Ricky?
I worked with Ricky once and it was it was
a great experience. I worked with him. Actually I did
an independent here in Jersey and the guy was a worker.

Speaker 2 (02:26:32):
Was it humbling like to take a job at as
a security guy at the moment?

Speaker 1 (02:26:35):
Did you enjoy it? No? I just work his work, right.
You got to live, you gotta make money. So you know,
I'm not one to say you know, you know that's
just my way.

Speaker 4 (02:26:46):
Why not put your opinion on the whole Brett Hart
and getting screwed.

Speaker 3 (02:26:52):
You know, Brett should have known. He's seen, he was
they had the longest of anybody. He's seen all the
stuff Vince did to everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:26:59):
He knew that Vince WI was stabby in the back
is quick as I can snap my finger.

Speaker 3 (02:27:05):
And also Brett knew what the business is about. And
we did it all for him when we were for
his dad and he was working up there. He knew,
once you leave the territory, you the champ. You drop
it off to the next guy. He knew that don't
say Willias my hometown.

Speaker 1 (02:27:19):
And all this. Hey, I did jobs for a macho
many in my hometown in New York, Madison Square Garden.
I did jobs wherever. So he knew what the rules are.
You leave the territory, you drop the belt to the
next guy, and then you go on about your business.
So this is nonsense. Who I wanted to do the
next night, I know is blown him. And he knew
Brett Vince could be trusted. He knew the Vince was
gonna figure out a way how to screw him? So

(02:27:40):
why was he shot?

Speaker 4 (02:27:41):
You know, do you think Brett's naive or do you
think he's just working the whole sympathy rule.

Speaker 1 (02:27:46):
I think Brett bleaze his own ball. You know, he's
a guy that's got the replica of every belt he
ever won. Who ever does that? You know, like Brett
get over it. I asked Davy boy one day I
seen him in I hadn't seen Brett in a long time, and.

Speaker 3 (02:28:01):
I said, hey, Davy, How's how's it going with Brett?
Because he was just coming back to w w F
And he says, you know how Brett is. He's had
it so big he's got to go through the door side.

Speaker 2 (02:28:10):
How's your wrestling school going?

Speaker 1 (02:28:11):
Oh it's going pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:28:13):
We got a show coming up in November, two dates,
and uh it's a mixed martial arts. They actually were
going to make a TV taping for Lebanon. We sold
the tape.

Speaker 2 (02:28:22):
There are you going to be releasing a book at anytime?

Speaker 3 (02:28:25):
Well, we're supposed to be, but so far it hasn't.
There's so much material to get together, and so far
it hasn't got the where I wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (02:28:33):
What do you think about all the books that have
come out? Do you like the books?

Speaker 1 (02:28:35):
Or actually, I haven't read none of them. The only
one I read was Dynamite Spot because I knew, I
know how Tommy is and I knew that he was
going to tell it like it was. You know.

Speaker 2 (02:28:44):
I guess what were your thoughts on the sealth WCWED events?

Speaker 1 (02:28:48):
Big mistake?

Speaker 2 (02:28:49):
Just child a competition? Now?

Speaker 1 (02:28:51):
Well, you know it's a monopoly. You know, if you
have no competition, you can pretty much do And the
guys don't realize that.

Speaker 3 (02:28:57):
They think, oh that was a great No, it's not
a great idea because the more companies you got, you
got competition there.

Speaker 1 (02:29:03):
You can say, Okay, well I'll go and work with
this guy. You know, if you really want me, you
can match my offer. You know. But if you just
have one company, he does what he wants to do. Right.

Speaker 2 (02:29:12):
Do you follow the current state of New Japan?

Speaker 1 (02:29:14):
No? I haven't.

Speaker 2 (02:29:15):
Okay, do you like UFCING Pride at all? Did you
ever watch any of the shoot stuff?

Speaker 1 (02:29:20):
I haven't. I've watched UFC a couple of times. I
haven't seen Pride at all.

Speaker 2 (02:29:24):
Were you involved in like a PA per view? I
guess it was like shoot footing paper. Yeah, what was
that about?

Speaker 1 (02:29:29):
That was what's the u w fah?

Speaker 4 (02:29:32):
What what's your opinion of like the younger wrestlers coming
out of the Calgary Like, uh, you know Teddy Hart,
Harry Smith.

Speaker 1 (02:29:42):
I like Teddy's work. He's a great worker. He's crazy though,
he always the crazy ones wind up in this business.
Teddy's his own worst enemy, and that's what's gonna stop
him going anywhere in this business. He's his own worst enemy.
Harry's a good kid. He's just got to stop hanging
around Teddy, even though it's his cousin. He's gotta stop
hanging around.

Speaker 3 (02:30:01):
Him because he's he's a bad influence on him, you know,
because Harry can go places a big kid, and he's
a good worker, and he's a good hearted kid and
he can go places, but he just can't hang around
with Teddy because Teddy's not Do you ever.

Speaker 4 (02:30:14):
Think there'll be a Stampede territory again or do you
think wrestling is pretty much dead in Alberta?

Speaker 1 (02:30:20):
And it's not dead because there's still a lot of
people out there there like wrestling, but you've got to
bring a product in there and you got to give
him something that they want to see, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:30:28):
I guess can you repeat the Carl Moffatt and Jcent
terrible locker room story he told an interview a couple
of years back.

Speaker 3 (02:30:35):
Yeah, this is he first got into the business. I
think he was in it four days and he was
telling everybody, this is the only rib I ever played
on anybody all the years I was in his business. This, Yeah,
Jason the cob offer. So he he's telling everybody how
tough he is and everything. So Carry Brown came up
to me. He says, we're want to play a rib
on him? Right, So I said, okay, what do you
want to do. So they told me and everything. They said, Okay,

(02:30:57):
he's always talking about how tough he is and everything.
We're going to tell him that you should talk to
band News about his son. He's a prodigy. He played
in UH and UH.

Speaker 1 (02:31:08):
He he played in Cornegie Hall the Piano with four
years old and all this, you know. So I said, okay,
So I said, don't worry, I'll add on to it. Right.
So now.

Speaker 3 (02:31:18):
I'm sitting in the back and Stu had this big
grayhound busting at a toilet on it and everything. It
was a piece of jump, but it was good, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:31:24):
So sitting in the back, so Jason's in there, he's
telling everybody how tough he is. He beat up these
motorcycle guys and he did this, and he did that
and he yeah, he's going on and on. So he
had this knife he used to carry with him, right,
and he's a knife fighter and all this and not so,
and I'm I'm back.

Speaker 3 (02:31:42):
Then I got my hat pulled over. My first listener point.
This kid is one idiot, you know. So now he's
sitting behind me. He goes and he sits down.

Speaker 8 (02:31:52):
So Carrie Bragos, Uh, Butch, why don't you ask band
news about his son, you know? And he goes, yeah, man,
I hear your son is a concert pianos and great
it's going on.

Speaker 1 (02:32:06):
And I said, I'm listening to him. Said, Butch, you
had that knife you always carry on? Yes, man, I
got it. He takes and he pulls it out. The
things about this law right, I grub him by the
hand and stuck it up under here. I said, if
you ever said anything about my kid, cut your head off.
I said. He lost his hands on a lawnmower accident.
Don't ever mention him again. You understand, fall the knife

(02:32:27):
by my headed back though he's sitting behind me. Now
I'm thinking, now, wait a minute, this guy sitting behind
me will just cut my throat. Right, and I hit
this carry Brown sent me on a suicide vision. Well,
I slid down the chair and I'm down there, I'm
laughing at I'm just and now these guys are they're

(02:32:48):
just giving the talk. They're rhybing them. How could you
talk about his son like that? His fault?

Speaker 3 (02:32:53):
He started blaming him, and they go, you should have
known that, and blah blah blah. And then they kept
it going right for two days.

Speaker 1 (02:33:01):
Although one day, No, when we get to the arena
that same night, right, I asked one of the guys,
I said, go, they had a kitchen in this arena.
I said, go get me a knife from the kitchen. Right,
So they go, they bring this big us night. So
now I'm sitting here, he's his stuff is over here.
He has to walk through, right. It's now I got
a picture of my son, and I'm stepping up. I

(02:33:23):
can't believe they're talking about you like that. So now
he sees this, he turns around. He goes out.

Speaker 2 (02:33:29):
I hear him.

Speaker 3 (02:33:29):
He's outside the room. He's crying, and so now of
course Bruce is really adding to it. So he says, Alan,
we don't want you to work tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:33:38):
Say you quit? Okay, fine, I don't care. I don't
have to work. I'm getting paid.

Speaker 2 (02:33:44):
So I called.

Speaker 1 (02:33:44):
I said, Bruce, get over here. I said, I know
you're the booking everything, but I'm not taking this no more.

Speaker 8 (02:33:48):
I said, I quit. I said, this is pitiful. They
talk about my son like that and everything, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:33:54):
Then Bruce jumps all over but I can't believe you
talking about his son and cut his hand off with
the lawnmower. What's wrong with you? I didn't do anything,
he said. You know.

Speaker 3 (02:34:03):
Now we get on the bus at night and I'm
in the back of I'm just I'm busting my sides, right.
So now we get back there and my uh carry
Brown's up in front. He goes my foot.

Speaker 1 (02:34:16):
Yes, he said, why did you stop picking on bad
news and son like that? What's wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (02:34:22):
You know?

Speaker 1 (02:34:22):
Stunning you?

Speaker 2 (02:34:24):
You?

Speaker 1 (02:34:25):
He starts running up and they all grab him, you know,
and I mean, now I'm on the floor. I'm laughing
so hard, just look at poor bad news. He's down
there crying. You know. So this went off for like
three days. We're on the road, and funny, okay, I
left it up. I said, this poor guy, he's gonna
wind up having a heart attack. And that's how I
called him over and I said, look, we're ribbing here.
I said.

Speaker 3 (02:34:44):
The reason was four days in this business, you're telling
us how tough you are. I'm not impressing nobody, he said,
we don't care. Said you want to learn about this business?
Keep your mouth shutting years over.

Speaker 1 (02:34:53):
That's just.

Speaker 2 (02:34:56):
That's awesome. What are you missing most about the business?

Speaker 1 (02:35:00):
Nothing?

Speaker 2 (02:35:01):
Truth of the matter. What do you think about the
current product?

Speaker 3 (02:35:06):
It's sad for what I see, you know, like we're discussing,
you know, with the guys at that Q and A
about the business itself.

Speaker 1 (02:35:14):
And I still blame Vincent man. People say, oh, it's Southbridge.
You don't like the guy. Yeah, I don't like him
because what he did to the business, you know, like
he took all the meaning. You know. I sometimes I
talk to my son, like he'll have raw on SmackDown
and I see somebody, well, who's the heal in this
match down? You know? I totally lost. You know, the

(02:35:35):
guy wins the belt on a Sunday, he loses it
on Monday. You know, Vince McMahon puts the bell on himself.
Your champion is wrestling on TV. His dad never had
that come on TV doing an interview. You want to
see him, you pay for it in the house. That's
the way it should be. You know. He took all
of me sneak away from it. He exposed the business,
let everybody know what it was about. And you know,

(02:35:57):
and now the product he got, everybody looks the same.
It got them out the gym. They're all cut to
look a certain way. You can't have that. That's not
what true life's about. True life's about a little bit
of everything. You know. You got a big person, a
small person, fat one, skinny one. You know, that's that's what.

Speaker 3 (02:36:11):
Makes it interesting. Too many paid views, you know before
we had four year people are looking forward to seeing it.
I'm not gonna miss that because that's some minion is
coming up. I'm not gonna miss row Rumbo. I'm not
gonna mis whatever. Now it's every month. Oh okay, I
can miss a big deal.

Speaker 2 (02:36:26):
He probably doesn't care if he's making money though you
don't care. You don't care any regrets.

Speaker 3 (02:36:31):
Oh the regrets is I didn't get to see my
kids grow up. You know, being in this business, it
takes you away from your family. Yeah, you're making a
good living and everything, but there's certain things you can
never buy back, and that's seeing your kids grow up.

Speaker 2 (02:36:43):
You know, how would you rate yourself as a worker?

Speaker 1 (02:36:46):
I thought I look more legitimate than most guys. I
tried to make it that way. It's an illusion, and
I figure, you gotta make it look You don't go
out there to hurt nobody, but you make it look
like it's you're really beating the crap out.

Speaker 4 (02:37:02):
What was the highlight of their career working with Dynamite,
kid Dynamite, Working with Dynamite.

Speaker 3 (02:37:07):
I enjoyed working with Dynamite, working David Jake to Snake,
you know, I, like I said, I felt sorry for
Jakes still do you.

Speaker 1 (02:37:15):
Know he has his problems, but working on him was
one of the highlights.

Speaker 2 (02:37:20):
Do you have anything you want to say to your
fans that you never had a chance to say?

Speaker 4 (02:37:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:37:24):
Did?

Speaker 3 (02:37:24):
I appreciated all the booze and throwing the stuff at
me and everything, and I enjoyed myself when I was there,
and I was able to.

Speaker 1 (02:37:33):
When we got out there. I knew how that worked
the people and get him crazy and all that, and
I enjoyed that.

Speaker 4 (02:37:38):
Well, thanks for being here. That was a great, great interview.

Speaker 1 (02:37:40):
Thank you for thanks, Thank you. I appreciate it.

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