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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So, Jimmy, you've you've spoken to me before about how
Jerry Lawler was one of your heroes growing up when
you watched professional wrestling. And one of the things I
think that he did the best in the WWF, apart
from commentating with you, was he would do storylines with
people where there was an element of realism to it,
whether it was Brett Hart and making fun of his
family or Jake Robertson going towards the alcoholism thing. But
(00:24):
in December of nineteen ninety six, on Raw, Jerry Lawler
stood across the ring from gold Dust and insinuated that
gold Dust was.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I think it was more of than an insinuation. See,
I pretty flat had started it.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
It's interesting looking back on it now because it's a
different the world's a different place. But for WWF to
kind of go that far, what was the mindset? Because
Jerry Lawler was very believable in his role, but what
was the mindset of doing that?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
That mess that question? Shock value?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
It's what the attitude of error was based on. Shock value.
May young have a giving birth to a hand hot
lesbian action? So that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Now, you know what that But they couldn't show it
on free cable TV. So that's like tickling your taint
with no blowjob after there's no payoff.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
But no here with Lawler. Here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And none of you ever go to YouTube and look
at anything that Jerry Lawler did in the Memphis Mid
South Colisseum in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
I'm not his press agent.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'm not gonna list his all his credentials, but many
of my books available at Jim Cornet dot com. He
was the top star in a city that ran a
ten thousand seat plus arena fifty two weeks a year.
In nineteen seventy four, his first year as a main
event star, they sold four hundred thousand wrestling tickets to
(02:03):
fifty shows.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
At the Memphis Mid South Colisseum.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
They did that because Jerry Lawler, at the age of
twenty three, was an incredible worker and was the best
promo in the business, and you had to make it real.
That's what I grew up on. You had to make
when Jr. Grew up in Oklahoma. You had to make
territory wrestling as real as possible. If anybody thought it
wasn't on the level, they wouldn't go. So Lawler was
(02:29):
incredibly believable, not only with the incredible bumps he took,
not only with the incredible punches he threw and the
movie fight scenes that he had in the main events,
but also he could tell you anything and make it believable.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
And that's why every time.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That something was an angle was pitched to him like that,
it had an extra element of realism to it, because
he knew from all those years of experience how to
somehow make.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
The preposterous posterous right.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And that's what guys are missing today because they weren't
brought up in an era where it had to look
real and had to be believable and had to seem logical,
and then you could get the people in.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Now that everybody knows that the jig.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Is up and the horses left the barn, and all
the guys are worried about is how.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Could I get my shin and how could I.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Do this move or that spot or whatever, because nobody's
going to believe this anyway, So let's just entertain the folks.
I entertain mothers when I was a manager by making
people take a swing at me in front of cops
and going to jail for it, and a bunch of
them did.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Many of them.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Connected, and that was a good thing because then they
kept coming back week after week. So that's why with
Lawler everything had more of an edge all of the veterans.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
That was Lawler's mark. Remark too.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
They might have vetted events the queer line, but either
Jerry suggested it or he had lived it. It's my
take on that deal. It was his fingerprints all over it.
But that was we had a lot of talents in
that era that you could trust to put their fingerprints
on their creative. Anybody that shows up man and just
(04:06):
you take your instructions from the booker or the writer
or whatever. Uh and without adding things, I think you're
still you're not you're not earning your money, You're not
you're not doing what you need to do. So I
think that's a that's an issue. But we had we
had talents. You look at that attitude era roster of.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
The of the the talkers. I don't know. I don't
know we had.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Anybody that that that had to memorize a promo from
start to finish.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
They would get bullet points.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I never did. I couldn't have.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I I did.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I tell you this, I.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Did a thing with Michael Cole that's long after the
Attitude era, where I did a rap. They wanted me
to do a rap because it's kind of a rib
on me.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I got it. I'm not that naive. You know.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
You get an older guy, you know, a fifty plus
ure old guy at that time doing trying to be
a rapper. You know, come on, it's a joke. And
nobody wanted to pay this. Nobody wanted to pay to
see me have a match. They didn't want to pay
to see me do a heal promo. They wanted to
hear me do play by play.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
That was my deal, and that's all I wanted to do.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
So ego centrically.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
People said, why didn't you like those bits? You know,
I had lower and I had tag matches. You know, God,
poor God, bless William Regal and Lance Storm. They had
to put up with our stuff. And that was an
interesting night in the Attitude era. In the late nineties,
Lawler uh have been on a weight loss kick, probably
going through another girlfriend transition, taking a lot of fat
(05:38):
burners which turned his finkle matter liquid. And that's all
real good until you want to break wind. You know,
that's a scary thing. Man, when you're in a public
environment and you need to pass a little gas for
you're not sure if it was going to be you know,
a little bit of gas or it's going to be liquid.
And so when we had a big match tag Mash
(05:59):
Lawer and I against the un Americans, the Evil Britt
and the evil Canadian. You know, God, they could be
from Serbia or you know, or Iran or some something
that was really having an issue of the free world.
It was a Canadian and a Brett. Oh they're dangerous.
They watch those guys. Of course, I didn't know how
(06:20):
to work, still don't and don't want to learn, and
I will not learn. But Waterers in that match took
a backdrop and he looked at me in the face
like something's wrong. So for a second there I thought
he might have hurt himself, which like would really scared
me because that means I have to do more because
(06:40):
the only guard on our team that could work is
now injured. Unfortunately, or fortunately, it was not that way.
He had that little gassion moment and he he had
he had his Jerry Lawler Monday Night Memphis white baby
face outfit on and what what started out as a
(07:01):
and and Regal and Storm weren't aware, but they could
smell this odor.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Something somewhere is really bad.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
And so I'm seeing what's going on, and I look
at Lawler's tights and it starts out about the size
of a milk dud. You guys got milk duds over here,
milk doves right are a little cluster.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Of em and ms.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
About the size of a quarter. By the time we
went home, it looked like a Snickers bar.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
He hasten.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I tell this story, but this true story. Why yeah,
go back, and we'll go back and watch. It was
on television it happened. And of course the truck and
events in the back in the grilled position, and and
everybody there is too good a.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Rib not to show on TV. You don't zoom in
on it, but you kind of know it's there.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
So uh, it was the whole the whole era was
a different We did different.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Do you guys want to know how in the old
days before they had all these comedy writers have degrees
from major universities, and if they were caught in the
men's locker room, they'd be whistling Stranger in Paradise. Before
they took over. You want to know how guys put
matches together. Okay, me and JR. Are in the main
event Monday night in the Memphis Mid South Coliseum. The
booker comes in and says, Okay, Jr's the heel. I
(08:25):
want him to fuck you JC, because you're coming back
in a cage match the next week.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
That's all we'd get, and then we would go out.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
We'd have an argument on TV here, cut promos on
each other, whatever, based on what we were doing and
what we had done, and then we would sit down,
how about ten minutes probably before we went.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
In the ring. In Lawler's case a lot of times,
because he's playing cards. Lawler's the most unflappable guy.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
If he's playing cards and you came in, said King, King,
the arena's on fire. Well, yes, this will have to
be the last hand. So we would sit down and
we would say something like that. I'd say, JR. Why
don't you when I make my comeback, bail out of
the ring and go down the aisle and I'll grab
you and throw you back in and I'll kick your
(09:10):
ass some more. And you bail out and you go
down the aisle, I'll grab you, I'll throw you back in,
and as I come back in, you pull the nuts
out of your tights and knock me out. Boompin me one,
two three. Next week we're coming back in a cage.
You ain't gonna be able to run from you this time.
You no good son of a gun.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
That's it. And then you'd go out and you'd do it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
The booker was the guy who manipulated the personalities into
the matches and gave you who was going to win
and who was going to lose, and what you were
coming back with, and a lot of times you had
input in that. Now these writers think that, oh, this
is a goddamn it's a Broadway play or it's a
goddamn major motion picture, and we have to write every word,
(09:47):
and we have to write every every hand gesture, and
then the producers have to say, well, you're.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Going to do this move and that move, and this
move and the other move.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
And it's so homogenized and pasturized and sanitize it looks
like one of those rappers around the toilet set at
a cheap motel. All the passion and emotion has been
pulled and ripped out from under it, just like I
have pulled and ripped all of Kenny's questions out from
under him.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I did just want to summarize the slaves. The king
called gould dust and then Jdi lollas himself. That's the
submody of the slave. But I want to talk next Jr.
But Shotgun Saturday night and Johannity of nineteen ninety seven,
the night before the royal rumble, Teddy Funk gets in
(10:37):
the ring and call my particular favorite Lane was calling
Todd Pettingill's mother.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Son of a bitch? Can you speak any clear? You
ex sucking dog.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
You're your mother's a, your mother's and your mother's mother's.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
And my brother Dory not on you, son of vo.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
My brother Dorry took that dog out behind the bar
and I never saw that dog again.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
You think Dory kill my dog?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Hey, wait aboute I'll give you real worm. Memphis TV
one time, and lawler knew that Terry Funk was my idol.
And I've just been managing about six months. Right, And
Memphis TV is live in front of three hundred thousand
people on Channel five every Saturday morning, went on AE hundred
miles in every direction. Right, I'm managing Jesse Barr. He
puts Jesse Barr in two mask guys, the Mass Marauders,
(11:38):
Robert Reid and Ken Raper. Of people paying attention, he
puts them against Jerry Lawler, Cocoa War and Terry Funk,
who have a six man tag match first time ever
teaming up against Jimmy Hart's guys the following Monday in Memphis,
and they wanted to quit me and rib me right.
Of course, I didn't know this, and I'm at Jesse barthaks, well,
they're jobbing me out.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
I'm gonna quit now, right, it was only to get
me in the match.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Funk chases me down and rips my pants off on
live television without asking whether I was free balling or not.
Fortunately the boys were covered, but you talk about the
look that was legitimate. Those people thought he Cornet is scared,
because you know what, I was scared because Terry Funk
(12:22):
was bearing down on me. I'd been into business six
months and I knew him, but I wasn't sure because
he could make you believe that. Right, he grabbed my
pockets and boom and the pants came down. Now, I've
got to come back out later on in the show
to do an interview, and I've only got one pair
of pants, so I have to take duct tape and
take my pants back around me, and then I come
out at the end with Adrian Street. As a matter
(12:43):
of fact, by the way, the exotic Adrian and Miss Linda.
That's where I learned all your cute colloquial phrases of
speech over here from Adrian. And so the first thing
I go is I screamed fuk. But since it was
so high pitched, they thought that I just said on
live TV and almost got kicked off TV.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
What were you saying.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Shotgun Saturday Night.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
I don't showguns, I just wondered.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
So Teddy Funk comes out and he does that promo
calls Todd Petton Gill's mother. What is Vince McMahon's reaction
to Teddy Funk?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And that's promo was that they wanted like that on
Shotgun Saturday Night.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I don't think they knew exactly what he was gonna say,
but they wanted him to go realistic.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
It was intended to be edgy because and that is
it was based on the day part that the show aired. So,
in other words, if you had a show on Saturday
Morning there was more kid friendly. You had to be
a responsible programmer and and be aware of that. But
on the Saturday Night Show, they they they looked at
recreating what the Saturday Night Man event was only in syndication,
(13:56):
meaning on all these local stations, not one big network,
and then being a little edgier, and certainly Terry was
very proficient at being edgy.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
They wanted it to be like a Memphis TV type
of thing. Live TV, anything can happen, et cetera. But
the WWF did not know, first of all, how to
produce a low budget TV show.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
They just didn't. Everything still had to look good.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Secondly, Vince's, for lack of a better term, he loves
humor that involves flatulence and shing and pissing and weirdness
and the flying nuns that are coming in. He had
been on one of the first setter at Shotguns Seray Knights.
I'm supposed to be at the bus station in New
(14:41):
York because a Mini Vader, the little Mexican Mini, right.
I've brought him in because I managed Vader. Now I
managed the Mini Vader, but I'm so cheap. I bought
him a bus ticket from Mexico City to New York.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
That's part of the gag.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And then we're supposed to go in the goddamn and
we're not doing this with a permit. We just got
a camera and we're at the bus station in New
York with a Mexican midget dressed like Vader and me
and Gimmick.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
We didn't even stand out in New York.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And the gag is Vince wants us to go in
and and the minute midget just got off the bus
for Mexico, so he's got a piss and so I'm
supposed to be trying to lift him up because he's
too short for the urinal. And that's the gag is
I can't lift the fat Mexican midget. But then that
we walk in there in the urinal, he could reach
the urinal, so there was no gag and he didn't
(15:32):
even have to really piss. So it just it didn't
It didn't work, but that Vince wanted it to be edgy.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
And speaking of edgy, then, because I think how many
of you watched the WWF in nineteen ninety seven, so
a lot of you may remember the final four pay
per view where all of a sudden, Marlena was grabbed
by this beast of a woman. Nowhere China. China debuts
(15:58):
and the WWF, why there she is right there? There
she is.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
God, who's that guy in the yellow shirt? Did he
work here?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Look at the women to Marlena's left. She genuinely thinks
she's about to get hot. But so China comes in
and she was a big departure from what you saw
in the WWF for women. Was Vince reluctant to bring
in someone like chain up first or was he just
all thought it from the start.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
This one of the one of the traits of a
really good booker is one if you.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Have top talent in your territory.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
And even though ww was A has a global footprint,
so it's not really a territory because it doesn't perform
in only one specific region. Ah. He he always had
a good ability to vince to connect and communicate with
his top talent. And that's the mark of his dad
(16:56):
and Grilla Monsoon and all those old school bookers. They
all knew where their bread was buttered. You know when
Bruno San Martino was a champion for nine years, I
love this deal. Well, Johnsena is gonna try to be
the tide Rick Flair sixteen times. If I was a
sixteen time champion, I'm not so damned sure I'm gonna
be bragging about that because somebody beat your ass sixteen times.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
I'm a lot now.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I'm not saying not a great feat And I'm sure
as hell for some of you that are gonna tweet
this out or or or talk to somebody online and
chay R's knocking Flair or not, I'm just saying that
in theory, I would say that Bruno's nine years on top.
Think about that, nine years on top is a bigger
accomplishment than winning and losing and winning and losing a
(17:45):
title sixteen times.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
That's all. It's a philosophy. So uh, I don't know
what was going on.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
China.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
I just slept in two days I could I have
Here's what you guys have heard me on my podcast.
I have sleep apnea. And I don't know how many
of you guys may have sleep apnea. Here I'm gonna
take it back in the China. Don't get me wrong,
but I I stopped breathing ninety nine times in an hour,
and if I hadn't had it diagnosed and I didn't.
I didn't know I had it until I've moved from
(18:21):
Connecticut back to Oklahoma. I would have been dead by now,
without no doubt. So it's just pushed someone strain on
your heart. Uh it's gonna you know, you're gonna get it,
you know what I mean. So it's a tough deal. China,
I didn't sleep, so that's why I'm kind of facing here.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I actually ought have more to drink. I probably better.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Uh So, Anyway, China was a was recommended by Sean
Michaels and Triple H. They met her, they were intrigued
by her, and a good booker will always list of
talents that are either hot, timely doing well because the
instincts there. They got a good feel for what's going on.
(19:05):
And so, and granted, you're right, she was different. There
have never been a woman in the wrestling business like her.
Ever goes back. We said earlier tonight, uniqueness, reinvent be different,
and by god, she was different. And so the rear
neckd choke on Terry Reunnolds and then shaking her like
(19:26):
a rag doll was a was a hell of a visual.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
And Terry's hair is.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Flying all around going crazy, and you know, we sold
it like who this is, this monster, this Amazon.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Whatever, blah blah blah. So it worked out really well.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
So China really came along at a good time, good place.
I never agreed with her wrestling men if I have been,
if I had to say, and I can tell you
that until I was forced, when I forced suggested strongly
that she continued to wrestle men on the road.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
And it made sense.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
If you're going to expose it on television, you're you're
kind of cheating you guys if you come to your
town and you don't see what you're seeing on television
in some presentation. But if I had it, when I
say she would never wrestle a man, I think it's
I don't think it's believable. And every time a talent
does anything to take us out of our moment and
(20:19):
steal the reality from us, to make us break our
trance of falling into that love of the business again,
and we're saying, oh, and jeez, that's horrible. You can't
go there, just can't do that. So I think that,
you know, the the China thing was really really good,
and I went through the whole deal with her all
the way from her through the attitude era and her
(20:41):
leaving h and me trying to negotiate with her to stay,
and she found out you know, about her her significant
other was having an issue with having affair whatever. But
point is is that it was. It was not believable.
I can't tell how many guys I see in the
airport because I'm very approachable. I'm always going to be approachable.
(21:02):
Will guys say, you know Jr. Look, you really entertain me.
You know you have the voice to my child above
blah bus If that man, that that woman, that big,
that big broad was wrestling all the guys, geez, that
was horrible.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
What you say?
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I can't tell you that you're wrong, because if you
feel it was horrible, then the hell was horrible in
your eyes. Right. It's like Corny and I were talking
earlier to coming up here. I said, well, he said
you might not agree with this, JR. And I said, well,
but I'm not going to argue about you. It's your opinion.
How can somebody's opinion be that wrong. It's only an opinion,
and that's what you find on Twitter and social media.
(21:35):
I sent out a tweet yesterday about brock Lester and Goldberg,
and you thought that I had, you know, had just
done some sacrilegious you know, my god pedophile.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
If you don't want to watch it, guess what.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Go take a walk, Go read a book, Go take
a ship.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I don't care what you do. It won't last that long.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Go take a shing.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Let me say one thing, because I think there are
actually two or three females in his sausage fest.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
So for you, I don't want you to think Jr.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Was being you know, a sexist when he said it
wasn't believable for China to wrestle men were Now Ronda
Rousey can kick that out of the guy working to
cash register at boots. I'm aware of that, right, But
allegedly on a wrestling program, all these guys are trained
professional athletes, and it's just it's it's physiognomical, atatomical, physiological, whatever,
(22:34):
the word human nature whatever, that a woman cannot whip
another man of equal or greater size when they're both
supposed to be trained professional fighters.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
And you know, she got in her.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Head somehow that she was going to do this, She
was going to be the you know female Steve Austin
and make all this money or whatever, and that it
was great. She was believable taking a blunt instrument and
whacking some guy with a head from behind.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
I believe that. But as far as wrestling a.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Man straight up, especially a man her size or larger,
which most of them were, no, that's what killed her off.
And she wasn't smart enough to realize it, because then
all of a sudden she went from somebody you could
buy being real to okay, now they're letting her win,
and that just that's that's death.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
I'm sorry, what.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Really killed her?
Speaker 4 (23:22):
So she gave me the pedigree on six inch heels
and in Georgia Dome and drove my back of my
head into her a crotch and in front of my
face into the mat.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
That was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Chaina ladies and gentlemen, and.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
So I want to came the wait wait, wait, here's
the other thing about China. It flashed a lot of people,
no matter their gender. It's the Andre syndrome. It's what
Corny said about, you know, uh, repetitiveness making things unique.
What I use in the illustration, if you're going to
use a chair, I want to ask my man. Event
they knew before you. I bless you using it in
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the third match. Uh, you know, she's just she was
just a really really intense, unique person. But it just
didn't make any common sense. And when you start doing
things that defy any form of logic in a pro
wrestling situation as a fan, and you guys know what
(24:24):
I'm talking about. You can watch any show you want.
There's something on that show. Sometimes it just completely disconnects you,
and you get frustrated, you get angry, and then it
feeds into what we all have become in a social
media world, whether it's politics, this podcast, we all become
to some degree because the information flow and we can
(24:45):
get it published, so to speak. Contrarians people wrestling feedback
had rather say that was that was bad, that was nothing.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
That was horrible, which it's never booked it. It doesn't make
any sense.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I could book it better blah blah blah, instead of saying, well,
you know that I like the effort, and I like
the second match, and I like this match. Like we
always go to the lowest comedy nominator. Now in feedback,
look at the feedback now and on wrestling on the online,
it's much more prevalent to say something sucked than say, well.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
It wasn't bad.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
But if it's pretty good, it's always you know, it's
pretty good. It's always like, well, yeah, but it wasn't
as good.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
As you know.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Austin and Brett Hart well in Wrestling May thirteen. Well,
a few things were better than Roston Brett Hart.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
But if you want them to just that that.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Actually, that's my favorite WWF match of all time, Steve
Austin and Brett Hart, and that I equip match. No,
this is the highest compliment I can give. It should
have been on Starcade. It wasn't a WWF match, it
was a wrestling match.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
It was real, you could feel it.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
That just tisses me off.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Where is that, ladies and gentlemen, the Queen of Castle
Coronet over there by the way.
So, Jimmy, you've you've spoken to me before about how
Jerry Lawler was one of your heroes growing up when
you watched professional wrestling. And one of the things I
think that he did the best in the WWF, apart
from commentating with you, was he would do storylines with
people where there was an element of realism to it,
whether it was Brett Hart and making fun of his
family or Jake Robertson going towards the alcoholism thing. But
(00:24):
in December of nineteen ninety six, on Raw, Jerry Lawler
stood across the ring from gold Dust and insinuated that
gold Dust was.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I think it was more of than an insinuation. See,
I pretty flat had started it.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
It's interesting looking back on it now because it's a
different the world's a different place. But for WWF to
kind of go that far, what was the mindset? Because
Jerry Lawler was very believable in his role, but what
was the mindset of doing that?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
That mess that question? Shock value?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
It's what the attitude of error was based on. Shock value.
May young have a giving birth to a hand hot
lesbian action? So that's it.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Now, you know what that But they couldn't show it
on free cable TV. So that's like tickling your taint
with no blowjob after there's no payoff.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
But no here with Lawler. Here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
And none of you ever go to YouTube and look
at anything that Jerry Lawler did in the Memphis Mid
South Colisseum in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
I'm not his press agent.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'm not gonna list his all his credentials, but many
of my books available at Jim Cornet dot com. He
was the top star in a city that ran a
ten thousand seat plus arena fifty two weeks a year.
In nineteen seventy four, his first year as a main
event star, they sold four hundred thousand wrestling tickets to
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fifty shows.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
At the Memphis Mid South Colisseum.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
They did that because Jerry Lawler, at the age of
twenty three, was an incredible worker and was the best
promo in the business, and you had to make it real.
That's what I grew up on. You had to make
when Jr. Grew up in Oklahoma. You had to make
territory wrestling as real as possible. If anybody thought it
wasn't on the level, they wouldn't go. So Lawler was
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incredibly believable, not only with the incredible bumps he took,
not only with the incredible punches he threw and the
movie fight scenes that he had in the main events,
but also he could tell you anything and make it believable.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
And that's why every time.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That something was an angle was pitched to him like that,
it had an extra element of realism to it, because
he knew from all those years of experience how to
somehow make.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
The preposterous posterous right.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And that's what guys are missing today because they weren't
brought up in an era where it had to look
real and had to be believable and had to seem logical,
and then you could get the people in.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Now that everybody knows that the jig.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Is up and the horses left the barn, and all
the guys are worried about is how.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Could I get my shin and how could I.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Do this move or that spot or whatever, because nobody's
going to believe this anyway, So let's just entertain the folks.
I entertain mothers when I was a manager by making
people take a swing at me in front of cops
and going to jail for it, and a bunch of
them did.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Many of them.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Connected, and that was a good thing because then they
kept coming back week after week. So that's why with
Lawler everything had more of an edge all of the veterans.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
That was Lawler's mark. Remark too.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
They might have vetted events the queer line, but either
Jerry suggested it or he had lived it. It's my
take on that deal. It was his fingerprints all over it.
But that was we had a lot of talents in
that era that you could trust to put their fingerprints
on their creative. Anybody that shows up man and just
(04:06):
you take your instructions from the booker or the writer
or whatever. Uh and without adding things, I think you're
still you're not you're not earning your money, You're not
you're not doing what you need to do. So I
think that's a that's an issue. But we had we
had talents. You look at that attitude era roster of.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
The of the the talkers. I don't know. I don't
know we had.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Anybody that that that had to memorize a promo from
start to finish.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
They would get bullet points.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I never did. I couldn't have.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I I did.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
I tell you this, I.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Did a thing with Michael Cole that's long after the
Attitude era, where I did a rap. They wanted me
to do a rap because it's kind of a rib
on me.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I got it. I'm not that naive. You know.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
You get an older guy, you know, a fifty plus
ure old guy at that time doing trying to be
a rapper. You know, come on, it's a joke. And
nobody wanted to pay this. Nobody wanted to pay to
see me have a match. They didn't want to pay
to see me do a heal promo. They wanted to
hear me do play by play.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
That was my deal, and that's all I wanted to do.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
So ego centrically.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
People said, why didn't you like those bits? You know,
I had lower and I had tag matches. You know, God,
poor God, bless William Regal and Lance Storm. They had
to put up with our stuff. And that was an
interesting night in the Attitude era. In the late nineties,
Lawler uh have been on a weight loss kick, probably
going through another girlfriend transition, taking a lot of fat
(05:38):
burners which turned his finkle matter liquid. And that's all
real good until you want to break wind. You know,
that's a scary thing. Man, when you're in a public
environment and you need to pass a little gas for
you're not sure if it was going to be you know,
a little bit of gas or it's going to be liquid.
And so when we had a big match tag Mash
(05:59):
Lawer and I against the un Americans, the Evil Britt
and the evil Canadian. You know, God, they could be
from Serbia or you know, or Iran or some something
that was really having an issue of the free world.
It was a Canadian and a Brett. Oh they're dangerous.
They watch those guys. Of course, I didn't know how
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to work, still don't and don't want to learn, and
I will not learn. But Waterers in that match took
a backdrop and he looked at me in the face
like something's wrong. So for a second there I thought
he might have hurt himself, which like would really scared
me because that means I have to do more because
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the only guard on our team that could work is
now injured. Unfortunately, or fortunately, it was not that way.
He had that little gassion moment and he he had
he had his Jerry Lawler Monday Night Memphis white baby
face outfit on and what what started out as a
(07:01):
and and Regal and Storm weren't aware, but they could
smell this odor.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Something somewhere is really bad.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
And so I'm seeing what's going on, and I look
at Lawler's tights and it starts out about the size
of a milk dud. You guys got milk duds over here,
milk doves right are a little cluster.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Of em and ms.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
About the size of a quarter. By the time we
went home, it looked like a Snickers bar.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
He hasten.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
I tell this story, but this true story. Why yeah,
go back, and we'll go back and watch. It was
on television it happened. And of course the truck and
events in the back in the grilled position, and and
everybody there is too good a.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Rib not to show on TV. You don't zoom in
on it, but you kind of know it's there.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
So uh, it was the whole the whole era was
a different We did different.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Do you guys want to know how in the old
days before they had all these comedy writers have degrees
from major universities, and if they were caught in the
men's locker room, they'd be whistling Stranger in Paradise. Before
they took over. You want to know how guys put
matches together. Okay, me and JR. Are in the main
event Monday night in the Memphis Mid South Coliseum. The
booker comes in and says, Okay, Jr's the heel. I
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want him to fuck you JC, because you're coming back
in a cage match the next week.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
That's all we'd get, and then we would go out.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
We'd have an argument on TV here, cut promos on
each other, whatever, based on what we were doing and
what we had done, and then we would sit down,
how about ten minutes probably before we went.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
In the ring. In Lawler's case a lot of times,
because he's playing cards. Lawler's the most unflappable guy.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
If he's playing cards and you came in, said King, King,
the arena's on fire. Well, yes, this will have to
be the last hand. So we would sit down and
we would say something like that. I'd say, JR. Why
don't you when I make my comeback, bail out of
the ring and go down the aisle and I'll grab
you and throw you back in and I'll kick your
(09:10):
ass some more. And you bail out and you go
down the aisle, I'll grab you, I'll throw you back in,
and as I come back in, you pull the nuts
out of your tights and knock me out. Boompin me one,
two three. Next week we're coming back in a cage.
You ain't gonna be able to run from you this time.
You no good son of a gun.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
That's it. And then you'd go out and you'd do it.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
The booker was the guy who manipulated the personalities into
the matches and gave you who was going to win
and who was going to lose, and what you were
coming back with, and a lot of times you had
input in that. Now these writers think that, oh, this
is a goddamn it's a Broadway play or it's a
goddamn major motion picture, and we have to write every word,
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and we have to write every every hand gesture, and
then the producers have to say, well, you're.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Going to do this move and that move, and this
move and the other move.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
And it's so homogenized and pasturized and sanitize it looks
like one of those rappers around the toilet set at
a cheap motel. All the passion and emotion has been
pulled and ripped out from under it, just like I
have pulled and ripped all of Kenny's questions out from
under him.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I did just want to summarize the slaves. The king
called gould dust and then Jdi lollas himself. That's the
submody of the slave. But I want to talk next Jr.
But Shotgun Saturday night and Johannity of nineteen ninety seven,
the night before the royal rumble, Teddy Funk gets in
(10:37):
the ring and call my particular favorite Lane was calling
Todd Pettingill's mother.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Son of a bitch? Can you speak any clear? You
ex sucking dog.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
You're your mother's a, your mother's and your mother's mother's.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
And my brother Dory not on you, son of vo.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
My brother Dorry took that dog out behind the bar
and I never saw that dog again.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
You think Dory kill my dog?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Hey, wait aboute I'll give you real worm. Memphis TV
one time, and lawler knew that Terry Funk was my idol.
And I've just been managing about six months. Right, And
Memphis TV is live in front of three hundred thousand
people on Channel five every Saturday morning, went on AE hundred
miles in every direction. Right, I'm managing Jesse Barr. He
puts Jesse Barr in two mask guys, the Mass Marauders,
(11:38):
Robert Reid and Ken Raper. Of people paying attention, he
puts them against Jerry Lawler, Cocoa War and Terry Funk,
who have a six man tag match first time ever
teaming up against Jimmy Hart's guys the following Monday in Memphis,
and they wanted to quit me and rib me right.
Of course, I didn't know this, and I'm at Jesse barthaks, well,
they're jobbing me out.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
I'm gonna quit now, right, it was only to get
me in the match.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Funk chases me down and rips my pants off on
live television without asking whether I was free balling or not.
Fortunately the boys were covered, but you talk about the
look that was legitimate. Those people thought he Cornet is scared,
because you know what, I was scared because Terry Funk
(12:22):
was bearing down on me. I'd been into business six
months and I knew him, but I wasn't sure because
he could make you believe that. Right, he grabbed my
pockets and boom and the pants came down. Now, I've
got to come back out later on in the show
to do an interview, and I've only got one pair
of pants, so I have to take duct tape and
take my pants back around me, and then I come
out at the end with Adrian Street. As a matter
(12:43):
of fact, by the way, the exotic Adrian and Miss Linda.
That's where I learned all your cute colloquial phrases of
speech over here from Adrian. And so the first thing
I go is I screamed fuk. But since it was
so high pitched, they thought that I just said on
live TV and almost got kicked off TV.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
What were you saying.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Shotgun Saturday Night.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
I don't showguns, I just wondered.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
So Teddy Funk comes out and he does that promo
calls Todd Petton Gill's mother. What is Vince McMahon's reaction
to Teddy Funk?
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And that's promo was that they wanted like that on
Shotgun Saturday Night.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I don't think they knew exactly what he was gonna say,
but they wanted him to go realistic.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
It was intended to be edgy because and that is
it was based on the day part that the show aired. So,
in other words, if you had a show on Saturday
Morning there was more kid friendly. You had to be
a responsible programmer and and be aware of that. But
on the Saturday Night Show, they they they looked at
recreating what the Saturday Night Man event was only in syndication,
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meaning on all these local stations, not one big network,
and then being a little edgier, and certainly Terry was
very proficient at being edgy.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
They wanted it to be like a Memphis TV type
of thing. Live TV, anything can happen, et cetera. But
the WWF did not know, first of all, how to
produce a low budget TV show.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
They just didn't. Everything still had to look good.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Secondly, Vince's, for lack of a better term, he loves
humor that involves flatulence and shing and pissing and weirdness
and the flying nuns that are coming in. He had
been on one of the first setter at Shotguns Seray Knights.
I'm supposed to be at the bus station in New
(14:41):
York because a Mini Vader, the little Mexican Mini, right.
I've brought him in because I managed Vader. Now I
managed the Mini Vader, but I'm so cheap. I bought
him a bus ticket from Mexico City to New York.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
That's part of the gag.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And then we're supposed to go in the goddamn and
we're not doing this with a permit. We just got
a camera and we're at the bus station in New
York with a Mexican midget dressed like Vader and me
and Gimmick.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
We didn't even stand out in New York.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And the gag is Vince wants us to go in
and and the minute midget just got off the bus
for Mexico, so he's got a piss and so I'm
supposed to be trying to lift him up because he's
too short for the urinal. And that's the gag is
I can't lift the fat Mexican midget. But then that
we walk in there in the urinal, he could reach
the urinal, so there was no gag and he didn't
(15:32):
even have to really piss. So it just it didn't
It didn't work, but that Vince wanted it to be edgy.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
And speaking of edgy, then, because I think how many
of you watched the WWF in nineteen ninety seven, so
a lot of you may remember the final four pay
per view where all of a sudden, Marlena was grabbed
by this beast of a woman. Nowhere China. China debuts
(15:58):
and the WWF, why there she is right there? There
she is.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
God, who's that guy in the yellow shirt? Did he
work here?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Look at the women to Marlena's left. She genuinely thinks
she's about to get hot. But so China comes in
and she was a big departure from what you saw
in the WWF for women. Was Vince reluctant to bring
in someone like chain up first or was he just
all thought it from the start.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
This one of the one of the traits of a
really good booker is one if you.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Have top talent in your territory.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
And even though ww was A has a global footprint,
so it's not really a territory because it doesn't perform
in only one specific region. Ah. He he always had
a good ability to vince to connect and communicate with
his top talent. And that's the mark of his dad
(16:56):
and Grilla Monsoon and all those old school bookers. They
all knew where their bread was buttered. You know when
Bruno San Martino was a champion for nine years, I
love this deal. Well, Johnsena is gonna try to be
the tide Rick Flair sixteen times. If I was a
sixteen time champion, I'm not so damned sure I'm gonna
be bragging about that because somebody beat your ass sixteen times.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
I'm a lot now.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
I'm not saying not a great feat And I'm sure
as hell for some of you that are gonna tweet
this out or or or talk to somebody online and
chay R's knocking Flair or not, I'm just saying that
in theory, I would say that Bruno's nine years on top.
Think about that, nine years on top is a bigger
accomplishment than winning and losing and winning and losing a
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title sixteen times.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
That's all. It's a philosophy. So uh, I don't know
what was going on.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
China.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
I just slept in two days I could I have
Here's what you guys have heard me on my podcast.
I have sleep apnea. And I don't know how many
of you guys may have sleep apnea. Here I'm gonna
take it back in the China. Don't get me wrong,
but I I stopped breathing ninety nine times in an hour,
and if I hadn't had it diagnosed and I didn't.
I didn't know I had it until I've moved from
(18:21):
Connecticut back to Oklahoma. I would have been dead by now,
without no doubt. So it's just pushed someone strain on
your heart. Uh it's gonna you know, you're gonna get it,
you know what I mean. So it's a tough deal. China,
I didn't sleep, so that's why I'm kind of facing here.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I actually ought have more to drink. I probably better.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Uh So, Anyway, China was a was recommended by Sean
Michaels and Triple H. They met her, they were intrigued
by her, and a good booker will always list of
talents that are either hot, timely doing well because the
instincts there. They got a good feel for what's going on.
(19:05):
And so, and granted, you're right, she was different. There
have never been a woman in the wrestling business like her.
Ever goes back. We said earlier tonight, uniqueness, reinvent be different,
and by god, she was different. And so the rear
neckd choke on Terry Reunnolds and then shaking her like
(19:26):
a rag doll was a was a hell of a visual.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
And Terry's hair is.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Flying all around going crazy, and you know, we sold
it like who this is, this monster, this Amazon.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Whatever, blah blah blah. So it worked out really well.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
So China really came along at a good time, good place.
I never agreed with her wrestling men if I have been,
if I had to say, and I can tell you
that until I was forced, when I forced suggested strongly
that she continued to wrestle men on the road.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
And it made sense.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
If you're going to expose it on television, you're you're
kind of cheating you guys if you come to your
town and you don't see what you're seeing on television
in some presentation. But if I had it, when I
say she would never wrestle a man, I think it's
I don't think it's believable. And every time a talent
does anything to take us out of our moment and
(20:19):
steal the reality from us, to make us break our
trance of falling into that love of the business again,
and we're saying, oh, and jeez, that's horrible. You can't
go there, just can't do that. So I think that,
you know, the the China thing was really really good,
and I went through the whole deal with her all
the way from her through the attitude era and her
(20:41):
leaving h and me trying to negotiate with her to stay,
and she found out you know, about her her significant
other was having an issue with having affair whatever. But
point is is that it was. It was not believable.
I can't tell how many guys I see in the
airport because I'm very approachable. I'm always going to be approachable.
(21:02):
Will guys say, you know Jr. Look, you really entertain me.
You know you have the voice to my child above
blah bus If that man, that that woman, that big,
that big broad was wrestling all the guys, geez, that
was horrible.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
What you say?
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I can't tell you that you're wrong, because if you
feel it was horrible, then the hell was horrible in
your eyes. Right. It's like Corny and I were talking
earlier to coming up here. I said, well, he said
you might not agree with this, JR. And I said, well,
but I'm not going to argue about you. It's your opinion.
How can somebody's opinion be that wrong. It's only an opinion,
and that's what you find on Twitter and social media.
(21:35):
I sent out a tweet yesterday about brock Lester and Goldberg,
and you thought that I had, you know, had just
done some sacrilegious you know, my god pedophile.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
If you don't want to watch it, guess what.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Go take a walk, Go read a book, Go take
a ship.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
I don't care what you do. It won't last that long.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Go take a shing.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Let me say one thing, because I think there are
actually two or three females in his sausage fest.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
So for you, I don't want you to think Jr.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Was being you know, a sexist when he said it
wasn't believable for China to wrestle men were Now Ronda
Rousey can kick that out of the guy working to
cash register at boots. I'm aware of that, right, But
allegedly on a wrestling program, all these guys are trained
professional athletes, and it's just it's it's physiognomical, atatomical, physiological, whatever,
(22:34):
the word human nature whatever, that a woman cannot whip
another man of equal or greater size when they're both
supposed to be trained professional fighters.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
And you know, she got in her.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Head somehow that she was going to do this, She
was going to be the you know female Steve Austin
and make all this money or whatever, and that it
was great. She was believable taking a blunt instrument and
whacking some guy with a head from behind.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
I believe that. But as far as wrestling a.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Man straight up, especially a man her size or larger,
which most of them were, no, that's what killed her off.
And she wasn't smart enough to realize it, because then
all of a sudden she went from somebody you could
buy being real to okay, now they're letting her win,
and that just that's that's death.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
I'm sorry, what.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Really killed her?
Speaker 4 (23:22):
So she gave me the pedigree on six inch heels
and in Georgia Dome and drove my back of my
head into her a crotch and in front of my
face into the mat.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
That was unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Chaina ladies and gentlemen, and.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
So I want to came the wait wait, wait, here's
the other thing about China. It flashed a lot of people,
no matter their gender. It's the Andre syndrome. It's what
Corny said about, you know, uh, repetitiveness making things unique.
What I use in the illustration, if you're going to
use a chair, I want to ask my man. Event
they knew before you. I bless you using it in
(24:02):
the third match. Uh, you know, she's just she was
just a really really intense, unique person. But it just
didn't make any common sense. And when you start doing
things that defy any form of logic in a pro
wrestling situation as a fan, and you guys know what
(24:24):
I'm talking about. You can watch any show you want.
There's something on that show. Sometimes it just completely disconnects you,
and you get frustrated, you get angry, and then it
feeds into what we all have become in a social
media world, whether it's politics, this podcast, we all become
to some degree because the information flow and we can
(24:45):
get it published, so to speak. Contrarians people wrestling feedback
had rather say that was that was bad, that was nothing.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
That was horrible, which it's never booked it. It doesn't make
any sense.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I could book it better blah blah blah, instead of saying, well,
you know that I like the effort, and I like
the second match, and I like this match. Like we
always go to the lowest comedy nominator. Now in feedback,
look at the feedback now and on wrestling on the online,
it's much more prevalent to say something sucked than say, well.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
It wasn't bad.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
But if it's pretty good, it's always you know, it's
pretty good. It's always like, well, yeah, but it wasn't
as good.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
As you know.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Austin and Brett Hart well in Wrestling May thirteen. Well,
a few things were better than Roston Brett Hart.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
But if you want them to just that that.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Actually, that's my favorite WWF match of all time, Steve
Austin and Brett Hart, and that I equip match. No,
this is the highest compliment I can give. It should
have been on Starcade. It wasn't a WWF match, it
was a wrestling match.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
It was real, you could feel it.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
That just tisses me off.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Where is that, ladies and gentlemen, the Queen of Castle
Coronet over there by the way.
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