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Speaker 1 (00:01):
How long have I been wrestling? Oh, oh gosh, that's
a good that's.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
A new one. An extension of childhood. I never wanted
to grow up. I just wanted to play around my
whole life. No, I wrote on a serious side, I
always wanted to be in pro sports or entertainment. And

(00:28):
I knew by maybe grade four, grade five that I
wanted to do sports or entertainment, and wrestling gave me
the opportunity to do both. Yeah, it's it's somewhat of
a sports thing a professional level, and it's entertainment, huge entertainment. Yeah.

(00:48):
And I I was never a musician, but I always
liked music and singing and things like that. And I
was farts enough again to be able to create a
character in professional wrestling. That gave me the ability then
to go out and all sort of sing songs. So

(01:11):
that's been quite gratifying.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
How did you come up with the character?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
It was the take off of there was a TV show.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
On UH in the States at one time called Three's Company,
and they had.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
It was a lady and her two daughters living in
an apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
In the apartment, maintenance man was hair slicked back and
Pennsylvan mustache, the white T shirt with the cigarettes rolled
under the sleeves, and and and I kind of started
with that can he had to side birds. I created

(01:50):
the character off of this particular slimy guy because I
was what they call a bad guy back then, a hill,
not the good guy. Now I know, Oh that's amount
of opinion. But anyway, I did it that way. And
some wrestling fans came along. They saw the cyburns, they
saw the black hair, and they asked me, had I

(02:13):
ever considered doing any Elvis thing? And I stole, of
course not, because I was a Beatles and Rolling Stones fan.
I like to watch listen to their music. I was
not into the Elvis thing because we were forced fed
Elvis being where I was living in Memphis, because he
was from there, and of course all those corny movies
that he made that he didn't like himself. When I understand,

(02:35):
we had to go to the movies on Saturday afternoon
to watch Elvis, you know, Viva Las Vegas and Blue
Hawaii and all this nonsense. So I said, no, I've
never really been into the Elvis And they said, well,
we want to make you something, said, we get your
measurements and they took my measurements. I had no idea

(02:57):
what they were making. A month later, they show back
up and they had me this goal of mad jumpsuit.
And that's how it all started. And in one of
the wrestling promoters in that area that I was working for,
when he saw this gold jumpsuit, the black hair and
the sideburns, he's asked, had I ever considered the usually
the guitar. I know how to play the guitar. I said,

(03:18):
absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
He said, man, it'd be great if you had the
guitar and you go and you hit able.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
They had with it.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
So it was none of it was my creation, none
of it.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
None.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
And I was very fortunate that the wrestling fans.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I tell young guys, always listen to the fans because
not only are they supporting you by coming to see
your show and buy the tickets from you, but they're
fans because they set around and they think and they
talk about wrestling a lot more than we do who
are in the business. People who are in the business
don't really want to talk about wrestling, but the fans do.

(03:55):
So if you listen to them like I did, you
can't go wrong.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
And worked very.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Well and you were what twenty four then? Is that
when you started?

Speaker 5 (04:04):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I started in Yeah, I was seventy six. Uh, I
was playing around with it a little bit, and I
was teaching school at the time and coaching high school football.
And then I by seventy seven, I had resigned from
teaching and coaching and.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Wasn't full time wrestling, So I was, yeah, I'm just
out of college.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Twenty four, twenty five. It seems like yes, It seems
like only yesterday except for the numbers of the age.

Speaker 6 (04:34):
How do you prepare for a career and restaurant like,
because gosh, I think it's people looking at and they think, oh,
that's a fake, that's a fake.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
But it's pretty hard for it.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
It's it's a never ending learning experience because every day
is a new day. Every match you're in is a
different match. Every venue you go in is a different
venue or a building. Uh every ring you're in is
a different kind of the field of a ring. The

(05:02):
one I was in the past few nights has been
the most horrific, horrendous, terrible piece of display of architecture
I've ever been in.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Who designed it? Who put that together?

Speaker 2 (05:16):
And called it a ring? If it was like concrete, lumpy,
lumpy concrete with holes in it. So the preparation takes years.
I trained for nine months, two nights and two nights
a week, just I trained in a barn where there's

(05:39):
the only water to drink was where the horses and
the cows drink out of the trough. The only shower
was to take the water from the horse trough wash ourselves.
But the fella, the old fella, had a ring in
his barn and he was a very talented old timer
who had retired, and he trained me. And the training

(06:00):
consisted of just a lot of heart bumps, slams, stomps, kicks, punches,
you name it, and we did it to each other.
And I thought that was hard until I had my
first few matches, when I thought I was ready, I'm
ready to go. No, I wasn't ready. Even after nine months,

(06:24):
and even after now thirty years, do I feel like
I'm ready? You know, because every night, every day is
a different day of a different learning experience because you
meet so many different people, you meet so many different
styles of wrestlers. You know, you have the big guy,
maybe it's a back in my day, was Andre the

(06:45):
giant he was a giant, so he didn't wrestle with
you the same way that a smaller guy or so
guy that's your size with wrestle with you. And you
might have the big, strong, muscular guy who's doing, you know,
the army tank thing where you can't be bulldozed over.
So you have to adapt to it and go along

(07:07):
with it. I don't like going in with those big
guys like that because they had the tendency on it. Well,
I have to show the fans how strong I am,
so they want to pick you up and slam you
down on that hard piece of concrete that they call
a wrestling ring.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Sometimes do you figure it out before? But do you
guys plan what.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
You're to do before it has been But in some
cases no, I don't particularly like to plan. I have
to now. Years ago we did not do it. It
was not planned. There was no way to plan. You
show up at the building. We had separate locker rooms,
and the good guys and the bad guys were never together.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
If you were seen together, you got fired from the company.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
A lot of times you didn't know what you were
doing till you got into the ring. You might be
told to you by the referee when you arrive in
the ring or during the course of the mats, you
would be told as you're wrestling. Nowadays it's it's more
as the guys are more together, like was in this
movie that came out with Mickey Rourke the wrestler with

(08:11):
everyone is together in the locker room and so much more.
Now it is pre planned because of television, especially in
the Big Company, because everything has to be timed for
the TV product, so every move has to be choreographed,
everything has to be done time wise, and for me personally,
I don't. I don't. I wasn't trained that way, and

(08:34):
it's hard for me to adapt to a script. I
like to wrestle off the cuff. I like to do
an interview off the cuff. I don't like canned questions
with canned answers. I can do them, but they're not
any good.

Speaker 6 (08:51):
Are you considered a good guy?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Now I'm a good guy. Now I'm a good guy,
which is good because now I get to go out
that intermission and sell my photos, take pictures of the fans,
make money, whereas before the bad guy never was able
to do that. In the old days, bad guys need
to stay in the locker room. Bad guys need to

(09:14):
be bad guys. You gotta beat men hateful to all
the fans. We don't want the fans cheering. We don't
want them liking you, We don't want them to see
you in any way but a bad guy. So while
the good guy was out making two or three hundred
extra dollars every night because we went us bad guys
made him look so good, made him shine like new money.

(09:36):
He would be making two or three hundred extra dollars
every night, and we would come out of the arena
and ten people would be surrounded to our car ready
to beat us up or kill us. Or I had
the one that's broken in my car, I had my
tires slashed. Yeah, And the good guy gets in his
car with all the pretty girls yelling and screaming, you know,
like bee boppers and chewing bubble gum with their ponytails

(09:58):
and jumping around, and he's driving away.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Don't you know the girls always like the factories?

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
I had my share of them, but I don't know
if they like bad guys.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
Chris ads like the factories.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I suppose, but I mean, we never the bad guys
never got the really nice girl.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
It's a nice looking We never got the ones that
had any money either.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I mean, you know that's another thing. These girls. They're
supposed to buy us our beer and they're supposed to
take us out and break go get our lunch and
bring it to us. And uh, I don't know, thanks
and change.

Speaker 7 (10:35):
So do you have to keep in character all the
time when you know when you're at the fat that
you leave, you run a defense, you chief.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
You have to be no, no, I don't know that.
Years ago, Yes, they wanted you to even if you
went into the restaurant, you had to be mean and
hateful to the Why would you want to do that?
Be mean and hateful to the person serving you? And
you know they probably go back to the back and
you know to that. I tried to not to go

(11:04):
out a lot. When I had my big Heyday and
WWE with Jimmy Hart and I had the intercon On Championship.
There were people who the fans are extremely serious about
this wrestling thing. They take it very seriously. They believe

(11:25):
in some things. That's even though their their eyes they
see it with their eye. They they have to know
that this is not possible, but they still believe it.
And during that course of time, for that year and
a half, we were so over as bad guys. I

(11:46):
didn't go out, I didn't go to restaurants. I didn't
go to to the bars. I still don't go to bars.
I hate going to bars. I just don't like it,
simply because wrestling and drinking and a bar crowd just
does not mix. It's just a place where there's always
gonna be some yahoo that wants to prove his manhood,

(12:10):
and the more cans of courage he drinks, the more
courage he has to then say, you're not so tough,
you big grassers, aren't so bad. And the next thing
you know, there's a squabble, and since we're the outsiders,
we're not from the town, we're the ones who end
up with the harshest punishment. And then there's a case

(12:33):
of sometimes we're outnumbered in those places.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
There's more of those good old boys than there might
be of us.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
So I tend to just.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Get my little few beer head on back to wherever
I have to go.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
So what do you think that, what do you consider
your heyday? What was the sort of highlight of your career?

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Oh gosh, it had to be the eighty six, eighty seven,
eighty eight that the WrestleMania coming growing into its own.
After Wrestlementing one and two, it became a huge event,
a WrestleMania three that I was part of, almost ninety
thousand people. The indoor attendance records, it's still held today,

(13:13):
it hasn't been broken. That was probably the highest point,
but it continued on after that. It never slowed down.
And all the way through my almost five years with
that company, we were every night, no matter where we were,
The buildings were sold out, turnaway crowds. It was just

(13:33):
a phenomenal thing. We touched a generation of people. We
touched the whole generation. I say that because there's grandfathers
and grandmothers who know us now, and there's the kids
that were seven, eight, nine years old back then. They

(13:58):
now are in their third and forties and have their
own children, and they bring their children to see us
to say, this is the guy your grandpa used to
take me. And we watched them every Saturday morning on TV.
So we we we actually did touch a whole generation
of people. And that's that's that makes us uniquely different.

(14:18):
We were walking living cartoon characters.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
So how did that? How did that feel like in
the heyday in your feelings? We's like that, how'd that feel?

Speaker 2 (14:30):
You know? Of course the paychecks were great, so that
was very gratified. I don't think we I don't think
we appreciated it or we realized it was so big
because we were doing it three hundred.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Days a year.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
We did sixty seventy shows straight in a row without
a day off, and then you get one day off
or two days off, and all you want to do
then was watching clothes and year back out again. And
I was living in Calgary when I first started. The
first time I left, I left for sixty five days.

(15:12):
My son was crawling. When I came home after sixty
five days, I had two days off. He was walking.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
And living in Calgary and flying all over.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Canada and the.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
America and of course around the world.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Calgary wasn't the greatest place to commute out of, so
I needed to find a place, a central location. So
I moved back to Memphis, where there was a good
airport hubsystem for Northwest Airlines. And I'll give you an example.
If I finished my tour in Miami, let's say and

(15:54):
I had three days off. Well, from Miami to Calgary,
it takes one day to get home. And if I
was starting back, say and from Calgary and maybe I'm
going to Halifax or to Mondon or to Texas South Texas,
I've got to leave one day early as a travel

(16:15):
day to get there to work that night. So I
really only had one day to really be at home.
And then that one day consisted of getting clean clothes.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
It was we worked so much and it was so hectic.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
My wife would I set up a FedEx account. She
would FedEx my clean clothes three or four days in
advance to a hotel where I was going to be staying.
I would get there, pick up my clean clothes, box
up my dirty clothes, and ship them home.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
For her to do at home.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, she'd do the laundry.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
So how is this on your life?

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Sometimes we just throw the clothes away.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
On your wife.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
If we did, it was obviously very difficult. I mean
sometimes I'm home now during the course of the week
or two weeks during which I do the independent scene.
Now we're only work on weekends, so I have a
lot of time off during the course of the week
and back to Christmas holidays. I'm usually home between mid

(17:23):
November to mid January, not any work, and it's boring.
The most boring thing in my life is to be home.
And she's working now, so I'm home alone, just me
and my cat and he can't talk. I'll spend I
having a great conversation with him, but I don't know

(17:45):
if he understands me. So to be home for long year, no, no.
And so now I equate that to her staying home
with a small baby for three three months at a
time without seeing me. My phone bill was the most
expensive thing we had. It was six seven hundred dollars
a month just talking on the phone. Then we moved

(18:07):
to Memphis and I put her in a in a
really a bad situation.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
We started building a house from scratch.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Her being Canadians, she didn't understand our Southern dialect too well.
And of course there was a lot of the contract
people were black Americans, and she did not understand them
at all because they had most of them had a
heavier Southern accent than me. So we were on the

(18:41):
phone sometimes three four times a day, which she's talking
about this didn't get put in right, And what am
I going to do about this, And now she's away
from her parents and her family that was left in Calgary,
and she's in this city all alone with this baby,
and it was tough. It was tough for her. She
was She ended up being the strong one because to me,

(19:05):
the hardest parts being at home. Anyone can come out here,
ride these highways like we do and live this life
I live. I think if they really work hard and
tribe for someone to sit home and be lonely, that's
like prison.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
A lot of you guys been married.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Twenty five years. Yeah, twenty five years.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Do you think that's that's because she doesn't have to
see her room?

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, you laugh now, but it's true. They don't want
me home. You know what they say, when I come home,
you are disrupting our schedule. So yeah, they don't want
me home. They don't know where I am. Now if
you call their say where is he? If my daughter

(19:53):
and she say, I'm not sure. He took three bags,
so he's probably gonna be gone longer than the weekend
because I'll use the traveler's two bags. If I'm going
for an extended period of time, like this is a
five day trip, then I have I have to bring
more bags and more clothes. Uh, my son, he has

(20:13):
no idea. He didn't know I was leaving the other day.
He came down the steps and said, are you going somewhere? Said, yeah,
I have to go to I have to go to
Canada this weekend. I didn't say where, so he don't
know where I'm at here. So how do you found
it effect?

Speaker 6 (20:27):
Did your look your relationship with your kids and your
parenting if they didn't, if you know, when you're face
so much when they were growing.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Up, what do you think that Do you think that affected?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Or I'm sure it did. I'm you know. I was
never away from my mother and father. We grew up
on a small farm outside of MEMPHISI and my mother
didn't work until I was grown grown up in my
high school years. Uh, my dad had a city job
where he worked in the mornings. It was home in
the daytime. All day we did the farm work. So

(21:03):
to be not to have a parent. But then I
spent so many years on the road along in hotel
rooms that I grew accustomed to not having anyone around me,
or not having friends or relationships. And I had been
twelve years in the restling business. When I met my wife,

(21:24):
so I had my skin had become pretty tough, and
for her, I think it was exciting to hear I'm
meeting this person and we're going to travel, and I'm
going to move to the States and I'm a Canadian.
I'm going to get to beat down in the States
and enjoy those things Americans do, which could be good

(21:44):
or bad. But the children, you know, I never I
never sat down with them a NASKI because I think
until they get older, like my son now is old
enough at twenty four to give me a logical answer.
My daughter, who's almost seventeen, I'm not sure whether she

(22:06):
wouldn't say, yes, Dad, I do the things I do
because you were never here for me, and I always
tried to provide for them a positive way. I didn't
shower them with these love offerings because Dad's been gone,
so here go buy anything you want. It was still

(22:27):
my house was If you walked to my house today,
you never know a restorer lived there because I never
let my home become a shrine to me or my business.
And I know fellas in the business who they have
one whole room with nothing, but they're wrestling photos their costumes.

(22:48):
It's like a shrine to them, and I tried to
keep my children, my family away from that. We never
talked to wrestling business at home or anything. I never
I've never talked my son to wrestling business. I never
talked to my daughter or anything other than to come
and help me sell photos and take pictures. That's about
all they know about it.

Speaker 7 (23:10):
So when you're home, it's like you're a totally totally
different life.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah, the Persona's gone. That's I know better than have
phones on television setting.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
So I mean, they don't, you know, they don't have
any kind of resenting for you.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I'm as far as I know, I'm not sitting down
and asked them, but if if they do something that
that that they have never blamed something that they've done
on me because of what I do for a living.
So apparently now my daughter she's never known anything other
than me being gone, and neither's my son. So it's

(23:51):
it's it's difficult to answer that question the way you
you you you put it because they ill was never
around anyway. I was never there for the PTA meetings.
I was never there to take them to soccer practice
to do all. I mean, I just was the dad
that showed up sometimes at the soccer game, going Wow,

(24:12):
this is really fine. I can't ball back. Uh. There
was a time in my life where I was off
for about a year and I was with them for
a year, but I think they got bored to me
and wanted me to be gone again. So you know,
I can be off now for a month and they go, Dad,
are you ever gonna work again? When are you? When
is he leaving?

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Was there a certain celebrity for them to have you
as a dad like that? You know, you don't say wow,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I don't know. I didn't. It's like I said, my
home was never a shrine to me or through the
rusting business. And I never walked around the streets of
my neighborhood with a jumpsuit on with my hair fixed
like Elvis. So in my neighborhood, I was just Roy
and Meghan's dad, nothing more, nothing less. I didn't have
any never came knocked on the door for autographs. I'm

(25:02):
sure they told their friends, and they told their neighbors.
Not only odd occasion I might sign something for the
male lady to give to one of her grandchildren or something,
but other than that, it was one of those things
where we totally downplayed it, totally downplayed it, or if
someone said I would really like to meet your dad,
that was It's always been a no because I don't

(25:23):
want to mix my business life and with our personal life.
If people come to it. If I'm in a restaurant
and somebody recognized me and comes over, I'll be cordial
and talk to them and say something. But there comes
a time when I have to shoot them away, you know,
if they if they overstay, there's their time and I'm
having my dinner with my family and shoes shoot and

(25:44):
get away. I have to turn bad guy.

Speaker 7 (25:48):
So let's talk a bit about the actual wrestling that
you know, the performance aspect of it, but there's also
a real physical where it's physically demanding.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yes, how badly have you been entered finance since?

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Let's start with the newest one, working backwards, the broken
severed finger, and you can see it's still swollen. This
happened in July of eight and I took them. This
is the only injury where I did take time off.

(26:28):
I took a month off just to do rehab and
therapy to twist it and bend it and try to
get it to ever straighten up. I did a stupid
stunt I shouldn't do, where we banged two guitars together,
and somehow another of my finger almost got cut off
and broken. So that's been the toughest one lately. But
I've had four broken noses, numerous perforated ear drums. My

(26:56):
ears never got cauli flowered, although there's one a little
bit harder than the other one the end side from
the cartilage. In the old days, you guys had to
make cauliflower ears. That never happened. I've been torn packed
muscle in my chest I would equate to the finger,
but I never took off. If I fell into water
now because of the torn muscle and it's a major

(27:20):
muscle in your body, I can't swim, I would literally drown.
Probably some doors I can't open because I can't pull
a certain way.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
It still hurts me. It's been twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
I've been to numerous chiropractors, orthopedic doctors who've given me
tons of cornisone shots. I learn how to give them
to myself. I go down to Tijuana, Mexico now, and
I buy the cortizone when I come home and if
I need a shot. I taught my children how to
be chiropractors. They know how to crack my back at

(27:56):
my neck. I try to teach them how to give
me the shots the court is on. They just won't
do it. It was very difficult. I'm a right handed guy,
so if you had to put left handed in over
one night, I've had the needle and I had it.
I said, well, somebody, please come in here and help me.

(28:19):
My daughter says, what, here's the needles hanging in my arm?
She said, oh Dad, what is? I said, just come here.
I'm just push the plunger down, okay. Because my shoulder
was hurting so bad that I could not even raise
my arm to comb my hair or even to shave,
I put that shot in.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I said, the heck with this, I'm sticking my arm.
I put the shot in.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Got that rush that Cortizon gives you, that burning rush
of a feeling, and then then it starts to ache
like crazy, like a bad Tuesday. But I went to
bed that night, woke up the next day not hurt
me a bit. It's been good.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Is there a weird kind of pleasure? You get out
of bed room when you're in the ring.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
No, absolutely not. No, there's there's uh that's aistick, now.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
You get it.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
But you guys, that's the after hours part of it.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
That's not something. No, I don't.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
I don't take any pleasure in.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Uh. And then U three hundred pound guy dropping his
knee across my neck. I don't take any pleasure in
that at all.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
No, it's not gratifying either. But uh, it's it's the
pain and the the injuries that comes with the life.
I chose.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
That's okay.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
I mean that comes with it. You know that if
you play football or you know, God forbid, I've never
learned to play hockey. But that's a that is a
brutal sport. I mean, these guys are going eighty miles
an hour on skates and just banging into each other,
like at least we're just kind of walking around, uh
and getting slammed from four foot high. These guys are

(30:06):
hitting these boards, man, and that's brutally. It's worst. Not
for me, now, those guys are tough, not me, uh,
but it's it comes with it, and they know that
when they start to play hockey. You know, you're gonna fall.
You know, you're gonna get hit. You know, somebody's gonna
hide sticky. That's all part of the game. And uh,

(30:26):
if it's not for the week at heart, if you
don't have and I call it, you know, grit, grit,
grit in your crawl. If you don't have that grit
in your craw and that toughness, and there's a lot
of jobs period, you will never make it off. You know,
you'll never be alignment for the county if you can't
climb the pole and in the mid of winter and

(30:48):
and and work on the electrical or the cable TVs.
It's up on those poles.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
So there's a there's hazards to every job.

Speaker 7 (30:56):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
The pain now, when I was younger, I healed up
much faster. Now it takes longer. That's all. That's the
only difference. The pain's still the same. But no, I
never took pride in walking around with a black eye
or you know, dripping out of my ear for some
unknown reason.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
What do you what do you like about? What's what?
What is it that makes it keeps you there after
all these years?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
I just it's it's something I love to do. It's
something I always wanted to do. It's something I enjoy doing.
I enjoy going out, and even though there's that risk
factor of being injured, to even being severely injured, that
doesn't come into my mind. But I enjoy. I enjoy
going out, entertaining the fans, whether it be fifty of

(31:49):
them or fifty thousand. Someone says, boy, is this really different.
You've been in the crowd like this with one hundred
and fifty people or being in front of ninety five thousand.
I said, no, it's all the same. The rings still
shape the same, the locker room still smells the same,
still looks the same. Guys walking around, falling themselves down
and putting bandages on, taping themselves up, and that doesn't change.

(32:13):
And the bigger crowd just means hopefully you'll make more money.
But I do it for money also, I thought, I mean,
I don't do this for free.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Do you think it's a worthy if, like you wanted
to be an entertainer.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Is it for you to you? I think so. I
tell the kids in the locker room. I told some
last night, I said how was it out there? And
they said, we had fun? Because I told them before
they went out, just go have fun. Came back they
I said, I was, I said, it's great. We had fun.
I said, that's what it's all about. When you stop

(32:48):
having fun on your job and you dread getting up
and going to your job, and you're gonna be a
grumpy person at your then stay home. Find something that
makes you happy, because if you're happy, you will be successful. Now.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
You know in the movie they had that locker room
scene where and they're all, you know, the camaradery is
really yeah, yep, great in the locker room.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Is that true?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
It is with most of the guys, do it is?
The camaraderie in the locker room is for the people
who didn't see this movie The Wrestler with Mickey Rourke,
if you're interrestling, I would go watch it and just
would tell you some of the things that I'm saying
that they did, which is true.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
There's a camaraderie. Do I know the fellas personally?

Speaker 2 (33:41):
No? I have friends.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
After all these years, I can I called.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
On a daily or weekly basis four people three four
people out of all the people I've met, out of
all the people of wrestled, out of all the people
I've shared cars with, and shared hotel rooms with, shared
everything else with. Uh, it's more of a business acquaintance
than it is a friendship. There's a bond and a

(34:11):
friendship like a fraternity, but it's not the friend like
someone you can call and say, I'm in dire straits,
you know, could you come over and watch my house?
My wife's in the hospital. Not not that kind of friends.
Their rivalries, Uh, yes, yeah, the rivalry some of them

(34:32):
get really heated. UH. There was one in particular that
most people will remember. It was the Brett Hartshawn Michael's
rivalry that that took it. It took a life of
its own.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
In fact, if it had continued on, there might have
been a life lost. These guys were at it that much.
There could have been some some real danger of someone
getting severely injured. H. They it was a personal thing
with them. It screw out of the business into a
personal dispute that turned really really nasty and really extremely personal,

(35:09):
actual to an actual fistfight in the locker room prior
to one of the events prior to the Montreal what
they call screw job. And I knew that this one
was gonna be bad because there was just a personal
dislike between the two characters and it and it boiled

(35:32):
down to a really nasty display of unprofessionalism on a
lot of people's part.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Is that that's pretty rare.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Though it's it's rare, it's rare. I see it, I've
seen it, But that was the first time I'd seen
it in.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Several years, especially on that level at that high.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
End of of a of a of a business that
they were involved in with this WWE. But I've since
seen it once or twice more on some of these
small independence shows where and it wasn't one time it
was about some guy who had was hitting on some
other's girlfriends. So now they're gonna actually fight about it

(36:13):
in the locker room where I live. I mean, that's
like my home, that's my castle. Don't bring your personal
because Ste's might. Don't bring your girlfriend around the wrestling business.
I you don't want somebody to hit on her, then,
you know, keep her away from us. We're bad guys.
But the thing I'm trying to say is that those

(36:33):
two fellas should not have been arguing in front of us.
We don't want to hear their argument. Take that away
from us, Take it outside I broke into business. We
were told never bring your personal life in that locker room.
Never dispute anything about this business in front of anybody
in the locker room. You take them off to the side,
you go back in the bathroom somewhere, which we call

(36:54):
the office. Take them in the office, which is the
bathroom of all places, dirty smellyroom, that's the office. But
you take them in there and you take them outside.
Same as Sean and Brett, they were wrong to be
fighting in the locker room in front of all the
other wrestlers. They should have went outside to settle that
dispute because it became a personal dispute, not a business dispute.

(37:16):
And in the one other time I saw two fellas
arguing in pushing over just several months ago, over something
that happened in the match. You didn't do something right
in the match, and then one word led to another,
and you're gonna fight over You're gonna actually do something
real now over something that was fake. I'm gonna fight

(37:37):
you over something that was fake. That would be like
two actors or actresses fighting each other backstage because one
of them missed their line. You didn't say you're lying properly,
which messed me up.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
So I'm gonna fight you.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
I don't I see the business a different way. The
young fellas aren't trained as well as we were. They're
not as professional, they're more athletic. I think their bodies
are in a lot better shape. I mean, where's the
old guy with the beer belly and the buggy whip arms.

(38:12):
That's the bad guy of yesteryear, you know, the one
that had the harry chest as I was all messed up,
had a tooth out beer belly and little buggy whip
arms and little skinny legs. People hated them. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
The business has changed now, do you think steroids?

Speaker 7 (38:27):
And you know when they talk about is that kind
of a mandatory thing that has to they.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Have just to keep up with?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Well, it's it's a person, and that becomes a personal
choice of what you in jest in your body. I
would say, drink more beer. But I did the steroids.
I did them.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I did a lot of them. We had access to.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Them every day, whether it be from somewhere in a gym,
or go to Mexico to gain them, or bring them
back from England or bringing back from Germany.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
When we were overseas, or we had doctors.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
There was a Canadian doctor that gave him to us
in Canada, multiple multiple dosages.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
That was why he's not in prison. I do not know.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
There was at least, let me count one, at least
eight or ten doctors across America that were giving them
to us. But at that point. Now I'm going back
to a time where the doctors could prescribe them to us.
But I mean even today, doctors can prescribe steroids to people.

(39:38):
There is steroids treatment. My mother was given.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Steroids for cancer treatment.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
She was giving this stuff called decaderrobola, which I was
buying for ten dollars a bottle, and her her cancer.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Doctor was charging hers sixty dollars a bottle. Now this
is thirty years ago.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
I mean, I said, Mom, is the same stuff, I
can give you the shot myself. She believed in her
doctor as opposed. Well, she's not around anymore. But there again,
we took them I did. Is it it's prevalent today?
I think it's not so much in the open today.

(40:21):
We were pretty much open about it. In fact, we
were so open about it that at one time they
had a meeting with us says, look, fellas, we got
to clean this thing up. You've got to stop leaving
here syringes laying around, cause guys, what guys would do?
They don't have very many of these anymore. The old
toilets where you take the top off, the guys would

(40:42):
drop the syringes down in there. Now unless the maintenance
man had to come in and do perform some maintenance,
there might be some needles laying around in those toilets
somewhere in America today. But they said, you got to
stop doing that. We're getting trouble from the buildings and
you know it's a health issue now and we just

(41:04):
can't have it anymore. So the Fellaws then had to
go more underground.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
How to make you feel when you're asteroids.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
It's a different feeling you have a It depends on
what kind you take and I don't want to get
into that because that's a whole new documentary. But depending
on the kind you take. But back then we were mostly
taking this uh uh testosterone. It makes you feel manly.
It's a fagor is much better for you, but it

(41:39):
gives you that that feeling of it gives you that
invincible feeling. It makes you really feel like you could
run through a door. It makes you feel like you're strong.
And the when I tore my peck, and we were
talking about this earlier, I was on higher dosages of
the testosterone at that point. Now my body was in

(42:01):
great shape. I'm gonna tell you I had a you know,
I was in love with my own body. And that's
usually what happens to us. We fall in love with
our own body when you take that stuff, because you
start seeing things about your body you've never seen before.
And so I was in love with my body to
the point where, man, I'm looking great now nine and

(42:21):
I can show you photos there is that. There's not
too many of them around with someone. They're usually some
one on a baseball card we had. I was standing
pointing like this and the arms hanging there and the
chest is out. I'm all shaved down and tanned. Oh boy,
but it gives you that feeling. And at that point,
I was in a gym and I started working out
as training our cards heavyweights heavyweights, And about a week later,

(42:47):
I just raised my arm up to the close line
a fella, and my whole tectorial muscle just fell out right.
It came right out. Now when I see the fellas
getting torn muscles and the wrestling, I know what they're doing.
What you just don't start tearing muscles for no reason.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
What about drugs and alcohols? There a lot of it was.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Now, No, I don't think these kids are really play
video games. They want to drink bottle water, play video games,
talk about their match, they spend hours. They all take
their matches and go look at them. It's like, come on, man,
let's go get a twelve pack or something that's fun. Yeah,
they don't do it anymore. They don't.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
I never see uppers or downers or.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
A little bit of marijuana still around, but not much,
not like it used to be.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I mean I smoked as much marijuana as anybody.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
We smoked it on a trip like this, just four
hours sitting and riding in the car. Gosh, i'd have
to be doesn't joints? Yeah? Now, back then, we didn't
drink before the matches. Is something I never did. I
never drank before the matches. I started.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
I do now because I guess out of boredom, and I.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Don't smoke the marijuana anymore, and I don't take any
of the uppers or any of the downers.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
We would take hit the speed for a trip like this.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
We were taking these diet pills called fasting caps, the
fast and hand to keep you up about thirteen fourteen hours.
Drink that Timmy Hart's coffee. So we had one of
my friends. He's fast away now, big hercules, he used
to say, because he would. Man, he'd just be all

(44:32):
itchy and moving around and he was all pumped up.
He'd see, Man, give me one of the fasting caps
for what he says. If you're gonna stay hired, you
gotta be wired. So but then it becomes a cycle.
The steroids keep you up, the pills keep you up,

(44:53):
and then you have to Then you have injuries, you're sore,
you're tired, you need to get to bed because you
gotta be up and at the airport the next morning
it for seven to do it all over again. So
now you have to take the valume in the house
on in the sleeping pills, and and so it's a
and that's a never ending cycle. And it's it's a
cycle that we were very few people could say they
weren't involved in.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
And what you're saying before there's you've lost they've lost
a lot of time.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah, most of them. I mean, you know they come
out with his bobus, Well he had a heart attack.
Forty year old men in great health and good physical condition.
Just the national averages is just not that we're all
falling dead of a bad heart. Something has caused that,

(45:38):
and it's it's it's just because. I mean even Davy
boy Smith who passed away had a massive heart attack.
They said he had a heart attack. Well he did
have a heart attack. What caused him, Well, he had
a weak heart and muscle. This guy was as strong
as an ox. He was two hundred and sixty pounds,
all pumped up, but he had a weak heart. See

(45:59):
that that's something at the steroids. The heart muscle is
made of a muscle that does not respond to that
kind of what do you call it? A foreign substance?
Where's the actual skeleton muscles? They will respond to the
steroid by growing bigger and growing stronger, but the heart doesn't.

(46:22):
And I don't you know, the testing level now and
the and the big company is more stringent. Guys are afraid.
The young guys are definitely afraid because they they they
are the first ones to be tested. See the young
fellas in the locker room tonight. Uh, they're all wanting
to look good and get the job. So if they

(46:43):
get called up tomorrow to go down to the FED,
they'll probably get drug tested tomorrow if they got called up,
So they have to, you know, be pretty careful. That's
that's the difference in now. Back then.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
It was what do you think wrestling? It's it's like
soap operas for guys.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Well, we have girls in it too.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
But the element of like you know, women watch soap operas,
not too many.

Speaker 8 (47:16):
Oh okay, element of what you guys do, which is
clearly you know, there's a lot of it's fantasy, but
people get so involved in it.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yeah, the women tend the women or the ladies tend
to other than the young girls who want to be
the divas. Nowadays, they won't address in the skimpy outfits
and be involved in wrestling or be on television. They
would probably be an audience there. Uh. As far as
the working mom, it's got two kids and the husband,

(47:46):
and she's not gonna be sitting there watching wrestling. You're right,
it's gonna be dad sitting there with the son or
grandpa with the two grandkids while mom and dad are
out shopping or out having dinner. Yeah. Uh, it's a
it's a man thing. Yeah, yeah, it's good. It's sois
pro football, Souriss hockey, basketball. My wife never sits trying

(48:11):
to watch his football game or hockey game or basketball game.
My son does. I do, but she doesn't.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
But this has an element of you don't performance and
disbelieve that.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
It's yeah, you're Yeah, that's a good way for you
to put it.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
It's a man soap opera. The men watching like the
women watch soap opera, and the men watch our soap
opera women watching. Fans like sands to the hour glass.
Fewer are the days of our lives.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Your fans are pretty devoted.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
They are very devoted, extremely good fans. Canadian fans are
more devoted than the Americans. I find it to be.
Canadian fans know more about the wrestling. Uh, they're not
as critical and they don't critique our stuff like the
Americans are very critical and hard to entertain. The Canadian

(49:10):
fan is is there to be entertained and enjoys it
no matter what level it is. The American fan, they expect.
They expect the carnage, the debacles. So they want someone's
head cut off, and you know we uh killing, We
want him dead, cut his arm off and then if

(49:31):
he cut the arm off, he didn't really cut it off,
cut the other one off. But the Canadian fans aren't
that that rabbit for this sick entertainment?

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Do you think have the sticks done enough with that?
Like where people want more.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
And more blood, Yes, yes, they want more and more
of these big eye spots. We call him the guy
climbs to the top and he flips off ten times,
somebody's there to catch him. I've always thought, why would
I want to catch him? Why wouldn't I just hoop
stop tonight splat?

Speaker 1 (50:07):
But I don't get involved in that nonsense they do.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
You don't stay around for thirty years by doing stupid
stuff other than getting your hand broken by a stupid
guitars trick. Yeah yeah, I mean I can do what
I do and entertain the people just as well as
those young boys who want to do fifty things in
five minutes. I'd rather do five things in five minutes.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Wasn't that how I wouldn't hurt that his.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
End all he had to do was say you know,
I'm not comfortable doing this. I really don't want to
do it. He'd be alive today if he had just
said no. And that's what I tell the fellas when
I train them and I go do teaching seminars, the
same thing. Don't be afraid to say no. It's better

(50:53):
to offend someone by saying no than it is to
go out and offend them on a higher level by
doing something you couldn't do which makes them look bad
or hurts them or hurts yourself. So don't be afraid
to say I'm not really comfortable doing that. And I
think anyone would understand. And if someone says no, I

(51:15):
just let's go ahead and do it. You just said no,
I'm not gonna do that. I don't feel comfortable climbing
up on this ladder and jumping off on this table
that might have a spike sticking through it that might
kill me.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
And did you guys actually trained to do that?

Speaker 2 (51:30):
I never trained for no nonsense like that. I don't
know how they train for I don't know how you
would train for that. That's nothing to me. That's moronic.
You've got to be a complete mora on to climb
up on a ten twelve eighteen foot ladder and then
dive awful to a table and then the table's got
meddle in it. And what if the one of the
legs of the table breaks and then it goes right

(51:52):
through you? I mean, you're here, it gets over for
what are some of these little independences. Oh, these guys
get ten dollars. Some of them just get gas money.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
See what do you think that is?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
What? I don't know what kind of I don't know
what kind of sickness that is. I mean, I don't know.
I don't know. That's it's one eye. It's one eye.
Cannot understand it's one that well, it's it's not in
my repertoire. It's not in my little bag of tricks.
So it's one that since I don't use it, I

(52:28):
don't want to know anything about it. It's almost like
a death Yeah, it's And that's what I tell them.
It's it's death defying stunts. You're trying to pull and
we are not stunt men. We are wrestlers. Stunt Men
have things, they have big pads they fall on, they
dive through a plastic window. It's not a real glass window.

(52:49):
They dive through the window, the camera cuts away and
the next thing you see is the real actor getting
up dusting himself off. You don't see that the glass
was plastic. You don't see that all the wood was
boss of wood that broke away. You don't see the
big foam that the guy fell on when he dove
through there. And our people think I've even seen plate
glass window match where one guy throws another one through

(53:11):
in the actual plate glass. I saw this one kid.
He was sipped open like somebody was doing and was
doing kidney surgery on him. He was lucky to be alive.
And then they go get stitched up luckily here in Canada, Well,
i'll tell you this finger right here. I didn't have
any ELF insurance up here. They charged me for the
Charlottetown hospital, the Queen's Hospital in Charlottetown charged me five hundred,

(53:37):
five hundred Canadian cash that day to stitch my finger.

Speaker 1 (53:43):
They didn't X ray it, they didn't set it in place,
just five hundred.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
To stitch it. Because I said, I just need to go,
And I went that night and worked wrestled that night
when it banished up.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Did you make good money do I.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
I did it one time. Now I make a decent living.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
I probably make as much as a fellow who had
a full time job working five days a week somewhere. Yeah,
But there's a difference. I have freedom. I come and
go as I please. I can stop and get in
kolb or anytime I want. I can play around like

(54:22):
a kid on the highway with people and have that.
Just the other night, one of the girls, the girl
and wrestlers, walked by. They were walking by, and I
had a towel. I took the towels, slept and across
their behinds now. If I was at a regular job
eight to five and one of the ladies in the
office walked by and I slept her with a towel,

(54:44):
I would be up on charges. You see. That's the difference.
That's where. And even the language in the locker room,
which says, so boy, you think goofy, noofies up there
on get on that screech. You think they they talked dirty?
Who the language in the locker room. So I'm listening
last night and the two girl wrestlers they were getting

(55:06):
dressed and undressed or whatever they were doing, not in
front of us. They go in a separate room, but
they were in with us. The fellows are all talking
and yelling and doing this and saying that. And I said,
do you guys, do you guys got regular jobs? They
said yeah. I said, do you know what would happened

(55:27):
if this language was going on in the break room
at your work? They said, yeah, we'd all be fired.
But where else can you? Can you one of.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
The girls come up with these buyers and you look
at her, you go.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
You're showing way too much cleavage tonight, or you know,
you need to have a smaller uniform. If this one
was just not doing you justice, Yeah, I would be
kicked out of a regular to see ike, I couldn't
have a regular job. I couldn't. I've just had too
much freedom and too much of this highway. I mean,
I've seen the world through that windshield. I've seen the

(56:06):
world through the windshield, and uh, I would trade it.
I would trade for anything.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
How long do you think you can keep going.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
On doing well? As long as they keep booking me.
As long as I can drag my old carcass over there,
I'll be there.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
This is a guy, Is there a guy who's eighties.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Does this well, Luth has went into almost his eighties. Uh,
he's passed away. And Killer Croast just passed away not
long ago. He was in his eighties. Stu Hart was
in his eighties. Uh. So it's not an age thing.
It's if people want to see you, and the promoter's
willing to bring you in and there's interest in you,

(56:46):
then I guess y'a'll be there as long as there's interest.
When there's no interest, though, I kill myself.

Speaker 6 (56:55):
No, who do you expect?

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Nobody?

Speaker 3 (57:00):
No, you can want no.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
I respect. Uh. Of course Hogan did so much to
change we don't we don't talk that often, but he
did so much to change the did did the attitude
of the public and the press about our business.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Vince McMahon, who was in charge of doing all that,
I have high regard for.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Uh yeah, yeah, I mean give him kind of a CC.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Well, you gotta understand, he's he's the p T.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Barnham. Yeah, he's a promoter, he's the Don King, he's
uh uh, he's the he's the bad guy of the
hockey league. You know, there's an owner out there, there's
a George Steinbrenner that none of the baseball players like
very much.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
But they like his payday to play in New York.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
They get paid very well to put up with a
boss like that, and so, uh, Vince is in that
category and he's proud of it. And uh but he's
done a lot for this business as far as changing.
He took us out of the outhouse, so to speak,
and put us in the big house. He took us
off of back Street and put us down on Main Street.

(58:19):
He had a marketing tool that he used extremely well.
That's changed the way the whole world looked at our business.
And it took all of us to do that during
that period of time. What I have high regard for
at least those two people and some of the behind

(58:40):
the scenes people that never get their names mentioned. This
one fella, Kevin Dunn, who does the television work for
the WWE. He's done a fabulous job for thirty years.
He's been in that truck countless hours looking at those
TV screens, directing, producing, editing and splice se putting the

(59:01):
packages together. And they're just a wonderful job he does.
They have a they have a good crew of people
that's been the most of them. I was back after
eight years. Uh, not so long ago. Most of the
same crew is there. You know, they have a good crew.
As far as the wrestlers, the young guys, I've not
been around too many of them. Sorry, guys before say now,

(59:24):
I don't work every day, okay, so that's about the
same as a regular job for somebody for deep fifty
hundred a week.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Kid, you're good, okay.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
I's talk with the girls, the girls.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
The girls talked about the girls. Did you guys ever
date the girls?

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yeah? Yeah, there were some gravers, wrestlers, wrestler's dated girl wrestlers.
There's still wrestlers dating girl wrestlers now. Uh, it's it's
common in the business. Uh years ago, years ago. The
girls when I started, the girls were it came into
the wrestling business because they wanted to date the wrestlers.

(01:00:07):
Now girls get into the wrestling business because they want
to be wrestlers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
They want to actually be wrestlers.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
So there's not so much of the dating anymore like
it was in our time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Because the girls would travel from territory to territory.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Back then, they might be in the Montreal territory for
two weeks, then they go over to the Calgary for
two weeks, and they go down to pull an organ
for two weeks. And the girls were traveling around and
the girls were always, you know, they were some of
the men's party favors.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
So I think it makes sense to mean most of.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
The guys won't talk about being with the girls because
they all have wives and children now. But I got
a wife or kids. You know, they think my wife
thinks I come out of here and I don't do
any bad deeds on this road after thirty years, give
me a break. I do whatever. Hey, I do what
a man has to. What does it a man has
to do what a bad has to? Okay with that, well,

(01:01:03):
I guess he's still living with me. But no, I'm
not as promiscuous as I once was. But yeah, And
there was girls who we talked about this last night
in the locker room. Girls who would come to the
rating matches just to be with the resters, a little groupies.

(01:01:25):
We called them arena rats rat like a rats scurry
around in the arena and the old dirty arenas. And
then they would be there and uh, they, like I
said earlier that they were would go get our beer
for us and have our beer when we came to
town and they would have our food that we liked,

(01:01:45):
and sometimes they would bake bake stuff for us and
bring it to the hotel. And they would drive around
the hotels at night and just one car after the
other and slowly cruise the hotel and to some door
opened up and somebody whistled and they came and awhere
you went.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
So still a lot of pies.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
No. No, that's what we were talking about last night,
was the fact that it's it's the thing in the past.
There is no there is no absolutely, you know. I
said that the fellas last night to look around, look
around out there seeing girls in the milder other than

(01:02:28):
the girls that some of the girlfriends or wives that
came with the wrestlers. Nope, I said, it's like that
everywhere I go. They thought it was just well, it's Ontario.
I said, no, it's not. It's not just Canada or Ontario.
It's around the world. There's kids, there's grandma or grandpa,
there's families. But the single girl that's eighteen, nineteen, twenty

(01:02:52):
twenty five now nowhere to be seen. They got to
be out there somewhere because I understand even here and
on ter it's like three girls to one guy, So
I don't know. Maybe it'll change tonight, but I wouldn't
think so. I don't understand why why that age group
of girls is not coming around.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Anymore, because they did in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
They were somewhere between eighteen eighteen to like I said,
eighteen to twenty four twenty five before they were into
the marriage saying, or maybe they had been married once
and not married anymore, and they'd hang around with the wrestlers.
I don't know why they stopped coming around. I don't
know if it was because all the wrestlers tend to

(01:03:37):
look the same and no girls were turned on bomb
or something. When I started, there was this one. I mean,
all the good guys had the beautiful blonde hair and
the tan bodies, and the girls just swing nuts over.
Like I said about the bad guys, there's beer bellies
and booge buggy web arms, but there's no there's no young,

(01:03:59):
handsome mm hmmm, clark gable type guy to swoop in
and and and and and and and take them away now,
so they don't show up for some reason.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
So let's just keep talking because you're you're a good brother.
What's the you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
I'm having to know what?

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
You don't have a lot of scars.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
Not too many, but have a bad hair daty day,
terrible hair daty day. Hello, long Johnny.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Cash Eve, a little child, a little spruce.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Yeah, I want to get there. It's been so wet,
today's so windy outside.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
So how come you don't have a lot of scars
on your face?

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
I have a few. I mean it depends on what
time of day or what day of the week it is.
They show up, some not many. And there's one long
one there some guy and want to give it. Hold here?

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
What was that from?

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Somebody? Stuck them in my head, twisted.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
It like ade.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Yeah, actually that was not a razor blade. It was
a trim down operating instrument, a scalpel, really sharp, hard,
put it in my head, turned it left a divot.
Where's the divot right there? This one was from some

(01:05:26):
guy who did take a razor bladey spit it out
of his he had in his mouth, spit it out
in his hand. Tore my head open and I bled
for about two weeks. I didn't get stitches. It got
all infected. The next week I saw it. I see

(01:05:47):
him with the same blade. It looked like it was
an old, rusty thing, and I was just a kid.
I didn't know any better. Stupid stupid stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Are there any rules, like, is there any rules around
that passing?

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Uh? There was. It was when it was more regulated
by the Some of the states and some of the
provinces had boxing and wrestling commissions. They were it was
that part was like in State of Virginia, it was banned.

(01:06:23):
Any show of blood, the match was stopped, whether it
be boxing, wrestling, kick boxing. When it was banned, it
was stopped. There's been other places where people had to
be Oklahoma was one. You had to be age tested
to get a license, and blood was there was no
blood all out there. If there was blood, the match

(01:06:45):
had to be so, which I understand now. You know,
we're a more health conscious world today than we were
twenty thirty years ago when I started. But I still
see these guys. They get bloody and they go out
in the crowd and they pit blood on people, and
you know, to me, keep it in the ring, he stayed,

(01:07:06):
why do you want to go out and do it?
Or why do you want to go tear the people's
furniture up? Why do you want to go out tear
the man's building up. If you're that insecure about your
in ring abilities, then you shouldn't be in the ring
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Some people obviously not trained well enough.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
To keep keep their asses in the ring, don't get
out in the crowd spitting blood on people and things
like that. That's something I was never a this blood
thing bleeding. I wasn't. I did it. I did it

(01:07:43):
a lot, but I wasn't one who just volunteered to say, okay,
I'll do it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
I remember the one time my mother saw me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
I had a bandana on around my head, and I
had been doing this blood thing every night for about,
I don't know, two or three weeks. So it's one
over here, one night, one over here, one over here,
one over here. Every night.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
It's like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
Five hundred of these red scars across from my head.
Something happened. My bandana came up.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
A little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
She saw this. She pulled it up and went, oh
my god, oh no, please, son. You know it's like, son, please,
in the jail, I've not been in jail, but in
jail they call it the desecration of the flesh. Where

(01:08:41):
you yeah, I guess you get so bored or you
get so psychologically down that you just and then there's
people who actually do this and like it cut themselves,
you know, and brustlers happened to be fit into that crowd.
There's some of the older guys that I know who's themselves.
There was one fella who would do his cheeks, Captain

(01:09:06):
lou Albino from.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
The old days. He had to the goatee and all.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
He had the rings in his ears and had to
he was in the Cyndi law for music videos and everything.
He would.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Slice his cheeks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Bizarre behavior. So do you get gotta let the cramp days?

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
And you gotta got he gotta readjust the niagress there?

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Do you want you want to pick up right there
while we're laughing like we are. Because of the camera,
fella had to uh and I did my best to
hard impression. He he had to turn it around. He
was to get a little cramp. He had to readjust
his niagress.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
So now you know why we have so much fun
out here driving.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
It makes a long trip go very very fast when
you're having fun, especially when someone's sitting on their nagers,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
So do you still still plead in the ring.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
No, no, I've not done that in many, many, many many.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Years, So no one would unexpectedly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
No, absolutely not. They better not. That's like unexpectedly pulling
a knife on me. Yeah. No, uh, if they're I
don't even I don't even get involved in those kind
of matches. I don't. I don't even want to be
part of it, simply because of the health issue. Nowadays,
I don't know where these fellows have been. I don't

(01:10:49):
know what they have been doing. I don't know what
kind of lifestyle they live, and I don't want. You know,
I'm getting to the point where I don't even like
their sweat on me because I'm one of these people.
Now that I've gotten to the point where I don't
like people shaking my hand. I carry the hand solution

(01:11:11):
in my bag, and I know that when you sign
autographs and you meet people, you have to shake their hand,
but I always cleaned my hands, and even last night,
and it maybe if you guys are around me some
more later on and last night I was having my dinner.
I had one of these nice big blimpy cheeseburgers. They're nice,

(01:11:32):
not plugging blimpy or anything. But they were nice. I
never had one, and I went to washed clean my
hands really good. And I'm having my dinner. It's about
five thirty six, nobody's supposed to be in a building.
I've got my hand on my cheeseburger. And then walks
this fellow. Why they're wrong?

Speaker 9 (01:11:51):
You talk man?

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
I said, Hi, buddy, how you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Why? I just wanted to shake your hand. I said, well,
I'm having my dinner right now, and I'll be more
than happy to shake your hand. I said, besides, I
don't know where your hand has been, you know, and
wherever hit your hand has been. I don't want it
on my cheeseburger. And he kind of laughed, but I
knew he didn't like it. But still, I think if

(01:12:16):
someone has their hand in their food, it's not a
good time to stick your hand out and say, come
on to shake hands with you. You know, I don't
know where that man has been. So that's how I
feel about the blood issue.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
Yeah, but it's still being done though, isn't it. He
said the older.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Guys to, Yeah, yeah, it's it's still being done.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Is it expected to think the crowd expects to see
the blood?

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
I think the crowd. We went for a while in
the WWL and there was none for about a year.
None cage matches changed matches. There just wasn't any, and
it didn't change the people's reaction. I think people can
be educated to whatever you want to educate them to.
That's the power of television, that's the power of advertising.
You know, if you hold something up and say it's

(01:13:03):
good for long enough, people believe it's good. Now there
only takes a certain number of people who believe it's
good to make the product successful. You can't, you know,
satisfy all the people all the time. But if you
go out you say, well it's gonna be a first
blood match, whoever bleeds first is finished, where the people
then come to expect this is gonna happen. Or if

(01:13:24):
you say it's a cage match. A lot of times
it's been ingrained into them into their thought process that
there's gonna be blood it's in a cage. Well, we
can have cage matches or no blood, because the cage
is only supposed to keep people in, not cut people up.
So will there be blood on some of the shows,

(01:13:45):
you might guys get some footage on it. Probably sometimes
it comes in advertantly when somebody gets elbowed in the
nose or you know, kicked in the lift or something.
I mean, I've seen all those things. You know. If
it's a case like that, and the guy, if something
happens that he he I did something to a fellow

(01:14:06):
just a few weeks ago. He did it to himself somehow.
I gave him an elbow smash off the ropes. He
fell forward, and when he fell forward, he hit his
hand and his lip and he cut his lips. So
when he rolled over, he's bleeding. Well, he didn't bleed
on me, because that was toward the end of the mass.
I made sure it didn't bleed on me. But that

(01:14:27):
did that happen.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
We're talking about the women before.

Speaker 6 (01:14:33):
I'm just wondering, like a man's world day that, how
were the women was accepted it to?

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
How does that dynamic work?

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
They've always been accepted. Uh, they've been accepted just like
anyone else into the fraternity. Uh, they've been accepted as
you know, gosh, most of these girls around they're like
my sister. Now, they're they're just that much younger than me.
They're like my daughter, you know, they're just and and it,
and it bothers me if some guy is trying to

(01:15:05):
give one of the girls any kind of problems or.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Troubles because uh, like I said before, it's one place.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
In the locker room where if one of the girls
walk by and I have a tile and I want
to pop them across the backside, then it's it's all
the fun and games.

Speaker 7 (01:15:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
It's nothing that I wouldn't do at home, but with
my own daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
Or with my sister. But uh, they've been accepted pretty
much the same as the guys always because yeah, because
they the girls. The girls in the midgets trained just
as hard or harder than the fellas, and their work

(01:15:42):
load was much more difficult. Like I said, we could
come and stay in the Montreal territory or Toronto territory,
stay for one year, stay in New Brunswick for a
whole summer, uh, go to Calgary and stay all the
all the winter. Uh, and go to Oregon and stay
year round. And the girls would come in and stay

(01:16:03):
one week, go to all the towns in one week,
and then drive across country and stay another week. Same
with the midgets. Their travel schedules are horrendous, so they
got they got a lot of respect out of us
because they worked a lot harder. No, they knew. The
girls were never paid well. Never. The midgets were paid good,

(01:16:29):
but the girls were never paid well because the girls
back then they had to go through a booking agent
that handled all the girls and she took some of
their money and put them out on the road. And
it wasn't until Wendy Richter. This one girl teamed up
with the music stuff was Cyndy Lauper and was in

(01:16:50):
the first WrestleMania that the women started to make real money,
real money.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Sidney Lacker, if you have a voter, No.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
She a music start.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Yeah, but didn't she.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
She was helping. She was trying to manage that ladies
champion in the Windy Rectory. Yeah, that's how she came
about you, And that's kind of how the first wrestling
album came about because Ciddy Lauper was into music and
her boyfriend at the time was was producing all her records.
Caerrels just want a half home.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
What about the midgetes? They still Mitch.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
They're around, but not very often, not very often. They're
they're using one in w W now hornswoggle or something
they call him, he's been around for a while. He's
had a good little run there. Uh as far as
Midget's doing the circuit, no, not anymore. Not even I
don't even know where they're I think there's still maybe

(01:17:49):
one or two left around, but they that they just
don't wrestle anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
So what do you think the difference is between then
and now? Like, do do you think it was better than?

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
In your head?

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Like it was?

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Well, it was. The money's better now, the schedule is
better now, but the opportunities to go other places was
better for us. We weren't tied to one company. There
was at one time when I started. I'm thinking thirty
six thirty eight different territories which were places to go

(01:18:26):
and live and stay for a year or six months.
You know, you could go to San Antonio and stay year.
You could go to Tampa, Florida and stay there for
a year. Then you could move up to Pensacola, Florida
and be there year. Then go to Dallas, Texas and
be their year, then go to San Diego and be
their year. San Francisco for a year. Portland, Oregon. Phoenix
had a territory, Minneapolis had a territory Saint Louis had

(01:18:50):
a territory, Tennessee had three territories, Kentucky had a territory,
New York had a territory, Montreal territory, and New Brunswick
was a territory. So there in Winnipeg was a territory,
there was places. In Vancouver was a territory. So I
just listed you what, twenty out of forty, and of

(01:19:14):
course there was all over the world. You had Germany
at England, you had Belgium, the Netherlands, you had France,
you had Italy, you had Japan, you had Korea. So
there was tons of Australia and New zealand, tons of places.
So if you didn't like where you were, you could
just see I'm taking off and call somebody where you went.

(01:19:36):
So we had more opportunities to go different places as
opposed to be contracted to one company.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Is that what you are now?

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
No, I'm a freelancer again. I get to go different places.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
I'm not contracted with any companies though everything I do
now is on an independent basis, and everything even if
I go back to FED when I went back to
do some work for them a few months ago, it
was not a contract it was just one pay day.
I got paid for the time I was there.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Who do you think is a good match for you?
How would you describe it? Great? Great mill m.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
It's a lot of money. Yeah, but other than making
a big payday, one of those ones where the fans
really get involved, really are entertained. And I come out
of there having gotten a nice little workout, got my

(01:20:36):
heart rate up, and I feel good about it, and
my opponent feels good about it, and we're both happy
and no one got hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
Thanks. Do you ever get nervous? No, you're still getting No.
Did you get a bigger adrenaline rush when you're up there?

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
No? I get upset when the microphone and the sound
system doesn't work when I sing my song. What really
pos me the most is when a ring announcer will
hand me a microphone and he doesn't have it turned on,
and I don't know it's not turned on, and I

(01:21:22):
will to literally take that microphone and put it someplace
that we can't talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
I think we know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
I didn't mean to joke you up on that, but
but that happens time and time again.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Now here I am. I'm supposed to be the song
and dance.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Fellaw. My thing is to come out, let these people
see the flashy outfit, the sideburns, the hair, and sing
that song and dead microphone. Well, I'm not electronically inclined

(01:22:12):
in too many things, but because there's so many different
kinds of microphones, I don't know how to turn the
dad gun thing on and off. Don't hand it to
me that way. It happened to me a couple of
nights ago, and I swear if it's on YouTube, you
will see me singing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
I was telling the referee in a very low tone.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Of voice where I wanted to stick to that microphone
in that gap. See, we're able to talk out there,
at least I am. The young kids can't do it,
but I can talk where people they can't. They don't
know I'm talking. You know. I could say something like that,
why my lips are blue, and I want to kill

(01:22:53):
that son of that son?

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
So like I've been trick would call ventriloquist where I can.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
We we have the ability to say things without moving
our lips, and we speak a different We speak a language,
and it's a dying language. No one speaks it. I
speak it. I taught it to my kids. And one
day my daughter was watching Oh yeah, brother, ho getting
those best brother? She says, Dad, Dad, what hog? He
was just speaking carne to his children. So were they

(01:23:27):
speaking back? She said, yeah, they were. I said, see,
you're not the only one that knows it. But it's
it's a carney. It's called carnate. It's a carnival language.
And then we would say things like, uh, you know
you're holding the water that's called wiz otter. You got
the biz out of the wiz arter bottle of water.

(01:23:49):
You know. I'm on kids, they let see his out
of a.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
Bee's age, you know, give me somewhere of that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
But it's just a language. And I taught it to
my on to my daughter just by when we would
drive by, because the kids like toys, r us you know,
or or McDonald's. If McDonald's was one meazak, he wants
some mesak mesac is Donald's go get the Bezier. Yeah,

(01:24:17):
in fact, hand me a bezieres everyone. Yeah. He and
Mesia easier. He and Mesia Easier.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
Was coming up. He was that one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Is it not like just old timers? Old timers, that's
not a young kids don't know cheesiers, cheerziers want to
be ears. But yeah, you know it's like my he's there,
he's there, DZ. I can pick the phone up right now,

(01:24:55):
talk to my kids and my wife.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
She had to learn it because she so I caught
that that's a bad hair day.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Yeah, she had to learn because there's certain times when
we needed to talk to each other and we don't
want other people to know what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
There's certain times I need to tell my children because
she is a.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Shut up without having to say.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
It in front of people, you know, I can just
look away and go she is that is a let
me shut up?

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
And somebody goes, what did he say? Who's he talking?
Oh he's just rambling on. Yeah, but it all started
with a nizzak bizig Mizza designs.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
And is that the kind of thing do you do
in the ring? Like when you're talking to referee? What
do you know what you're talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
The old timers would the new ones? Don't Nobody in
the locker room speaks in that. I could go in
there and say say, you guys already no more than
they know tonight. Yeah, yeah, I love that you got
the whiz add the misak he's and me the masak,

(01:26:07):
make sure it's turned on. Yeah, it's it's really something.
But see there there again, that's it's a dying. It's
a dying to me, it's a it's an art to me.
And and I think if you ask any uh older restler,
it's it's a it's a it's an art form that
it's a dying art form. There our language, our customs

(01:26:30):
or are dying. It's it's and and uh I we
spoke earlier. I told you my wife was Ukrainian. I
go up for the Ukrainian wedding to get married to her,
and and all her mom's sisters and brothers and her
in laws. They're all speaking Ukrainian each other. But my
wife she doesn't know the Ukrainian so she can't pass

(01:26:51):
that heritage and down to her children now. So it's
at it's it's really something when ethnic groups can maintain
their heritage and their language and their customs. And I
understand when you're in another country you have to adapt
to other countries customs and things, but you should still
never lose your own heritage. And it's happened in our business.

(01:27:14):
It's it's died off to the point where only guys
that's been around the last fifteen, eighteen twenty years speak
the language, know the secret handshake that we have. It's
all sorts of things. That is. For me to be

(01:27:35):
in the locker room and see it, it's like, what
is what's happened to us? There's no girls around anymore,
hanging outside the buildings is nobody knows the language anymore.
Guys aren't dressing in nice outfits, and they're not performing
and entertaining. They don't know how to shake the hand

(01:27:55):
the right way. That's it's just a handshake where you
don't squeeze someone's hand. It's a very soft, gentle handshake.
If someone walks in the locker room tonight and he
grabs my hand like he's been out on on on
Pier fifty one all day, you know it, Mike, I

(01:28:18):
don't want him touching me again. He's gonna hurt me.
The handshake means at least you're soft and gentle, which
means you're not gonna hit me in the mouth. You're
not gonna burst my ears, you're not gonna pull my
hair hard. You're when we leave the match, we're gonna

(01:28:39):
be happy, not ready to fight each other in the
back because you did all these dastardly deeds to me
and really did try to hurt me. So it's it's
a handshake. It's a handshake like that, like that, very
gentle men. Men have a tendency, especially when I shake
hands out here on the street. They want to show

(01:28:59):
their Mandley hood. Well one last night, I always tend
to forget my fingers still messed up. Why don't use
my other hand instead of letting him A god, I
might crack down on me. She's got to clean off
all the I told you in Alberta. This stuff over here.
You see this over in Alberta and Nicole. It freezes,

(01:29:21):
it comes becomes nothing but ice.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
How many old tigers are left that you co.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Oh, gosh, there's probably I running rock come across Valentine
and Greghammer Valentine. I'll see him next week. Sometimes once
twice a year I run across Jimmy Snook King Kong Bundy.
He's dropped out of sight now I don't see him.
Luke the bushwhacker, who you had a poster I signed earlier.
Luke was here in August with me. Uh he's been

(01:29:46):
around thirty five years, forty years, and fortunately I get
to go back. I'll go back to this Hall of
Fame thing and for the w W I'll get to
see all the all the older guys. And that's that's
about me. Fun.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
I would have put the iron cheek Chek.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
I see him periodically. Uh chic is Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Cheek is chic, But he's only the sheek like you
guys see him when the light is on the camera.
He's not that way with me on the camera's not
around now. Sure he's gonna drink his beers and he's
gonna h s. I'nbelieved that the green gimmy, you know,
the white gimmy eight is he daddy, he's gonna have it.

(01:30:31):
But uh, he's a great guy. He's a great, great
old timer. He's in bad shaping and aching hardly get around. Uh,
I said. Somebody said, I don't want to book sheek.
He's kind of goofy and he does all this nutty stuff.
I said, at least you don't have to worry about
him leaving the building. I said, why is They said
why is that? I said, well, he's in a wheelchair,
so you can't go anywhere, and if you put the
lock on it, he wouldn't know how to unlock it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
So come kids, me, I'm gonna live with somebody, I said,
we want to move.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
How does he do get in the ring?

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
He doesn't do any ring work anymore, he doesn't. He
just autographs. Yeah, yeah, no more. He never had his
knees taken care of. Uh Luke Bushwhacker told me. Uh
I called him not so long ago. I said, how
you doing. He's great, he said, I have my shoulder fixed.
They've both on these fixed. He said, I feel great.
And then I brought him into to do these things
when my hand was broken. H up here in last August,

(01:31:26):
and he was in great shape and was doing very well. Yeah,
he was running around like twenty year old.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Yeah, I saw some crazy for the chip sheep because
always nuts crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
He can't happen, He's just he only does it with
a camera.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
I'm surprised he has not been put in jail though,
because he does in the airport and he does the
customs immigration. How he gets into the country, I don't know.
But then the other question is how does he get out? Yeah,
I mean the immigration held me up for no reason.
I've got a visa and I've got the passport stamp
with a visa. My wife's a Canadian, my son's a Canadian.

(01:32:05):
They tell me to go to immigration for what I
come across this border all the time. I guess no.
And they got some Mexican kid in there, and the
lady says, why are you trying to come to Canada.
You have been deported out of the United States already. Yeah,

(01:32:26):
and there, I mean, that's who I'm And then another
family was there and they says, have you guys ever
been to Canada before?

Speaker 5 (01:32:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
No, never, He says, well, according to your passport, somebody
has entered Canada using your passport. Yeah. So that's what
I'm dealing with. And I've got I flew to Los Angeles,
took my wife, took our marriage certificates, birth certificates, everything.
Spent two days down at the Canadian Council of the

(01:32:55):
General's Office to get my visa, which is a US
green card, same thing, and to be told by them,
you should never have any more troubles at the border,
you should never have to go to immigration again. Man.
They keeps sending me in.

Speaker 9 (01:33:11):
There, in here, quick down to the bar just about
six weeks out. We had to carry him back.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Hard time. I'm like, holy, can somebody get me to
my room?

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
And when he told his old.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Lady come ble take home, had to carry.

Speaker 9 (01:33:32):
So he said, yeah, he said, huh, tak it easy?

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
All that ship?

Speaker 3 (01:33:36):
I left.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
I left the patio, called him out. I called him up.

Speaker 9 (01:33:39):
I said, what are you doing? He says, he's not bad.
I said, the old lady takes a new screens. He says, well,
she's down in the middle of the street, heads up
in the bull.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
He was the worst too.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
He was in the middle of the street downtown, in
all of them, holding that bottle up in the air,
no shirt on. It's definitely when he blames me for it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
Yeah, I don't even remember how I got them.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
Nobody nobody ever does.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
He remembers nothing about it, nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
He said, why did you do that to me?

Speaker 4 (01:34:30):
Do you need some help with that?

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
Homek home?

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
Because I'm not good at this ship? All right?

Speaker 4 (01:34:36):
Tails it it's my phone, that's my bus. I'm trying
to get you laid. It's looking for someone for you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
I don't care about that. I don't care about that anymore.
Ses what you guys don't understand.

Speaker 4 (01:34:47):
It's Sky. She says, I'm gonna hang around Cornwall because
I want to have sex with Honky later.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Tonight Sky's girl.

Speaker 4 (01:34:57):
Then did she slap him hard? Did she did?

Speaker 5 (01:35:02):
She?

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
Did you do a slap with?

Speaker 6 (01:35:04):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:35:04):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
She pulled my hair really hard and I got pissed off.

Speaker 4 (01:35:07):
That was her first match.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
Yeah, she was like yanking on my hair and I
told the guy and they said, if she pulls my
hair like this again, I almost let.

Speaker 4 (01:35:14):
Sh screeches off or just screeching screech.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
Screech man the little blonde girl. Yeah, she like, she liked.
She almost decapitated me when she hung on my neck
on the rope, which was okay because I could put
my arms.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
How big tits you signed? The later on?

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Then she like pulled my hair like she was plucking
a chicken. And I don't like people pull my hair. No,
give me chops? What sorry?

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
I thought you weren't drinking.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
What What the hell does the Transport Canada to do
with these highways?

Speaker 4 (01:36:03):
What have you been drinking?

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
You come up to this country, you expect things to
be nice and clean and everyone be good, and the
roads are like the worst This is bad. This is
like being a third world country.

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Can you dodge those potholes? Can can we put our
tax dollars to work? You know? I have I have
a Canadian bank account.

Speaker 6 (01:36:27):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
Yes, I do. They take the money out of my
Canadian bank account, the taxes, they take them out. They
don't ask me to pay the tax, they just take
them out.

Speaker 4 (01:36:36):
Anyway, What are they doing with my money.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
On these highways?

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
It's awfully bunky?

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Are can't we at least get on the on the
Queen on the Queen's Highway or something? I mean, God
saved the Queen for Christ's sakes.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
All right, So we're talking about your son, my son? Yeah,
is that a huge disappointment for you?

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
Or well, oh, are you not.

Speaker 4 (01:37:04):
Any more about your son?

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Yeah, battle screech about his drug avocts. Yes, it's disappointing
because you had asked me earlier in this if high
Rich play, what's my being away from home? Maybe? Did
it cause any problems? And I said, well, I don't know,

(01:37:25):
no one ever told me. But then I have a
son who gets himself caught up in this drug world.
And I had a friend who told me once that
these kids between eighteen and like thirty five. That generation
of American kids are called America's Lost youth, and he

(01:37:47):
happens to be in that group of people. He had
a good job, he was in college and the scholarship
playing golf. How many people would love to play golf
in college. How many people would love to be on
a skotarship to play golf in college, and he was
one of them and ended up now with nothing, no money.

(01:38:09):
Cars parked in front of my house. I had, I
had to have it towed to the last time he
was locked up. Uh the car doesn't run.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
Exactly What was he locked up for?

Speaker 9 (01:38:19):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
Paraphernalia cocaine on him, small small amounts, not not enough
for But he had failing in charges. But uh fail
in charges in Arizona to come with even just paraphernalia.
So if you have wrote more than than what they
think you should have in rolling papers, or you have

(01:38:41):
a small amount of marijuana or a small amount of cocaine,
and it's it's a felling in charge, which if you
do community service and pay your fines, then it's reduced
down to a misdemeanor and the eventually washes out of
the court.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
But you don't blame yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
For that, do no, Because I think we choose. It's
the life we choose. I choose to drink the screech.
I choose to have the beers.

Speaker 4 (01:39:07):
You look at your daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Totally totally opposite of it. But I mean, can can
we control what someone else does know? We cannot control that.
All we can do is say I wish you would
not do that. I hope you don't do that, because
if you do this, this is what's gonna happen. But
these kids, this bunch of boys between eighteen and thirty

(01:39:34):
five years old in our country, they have no education,
they drop out of school. They want twenty bucks an
hour for a job with no education, no training, no
ticket for anything. And then they're all lawyers. We know
the law. They can't lock us up for this. Oh,

(01:39:54):
you know the law.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
If you guys are so smart, why then hell are
you keep getting caught?

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
If you're so smart. I've been around for fifty six
years of my lifetime and I have never been handcuffed. Never.
I've had some speeding tickets, but I have never been
arrested and sent to jail and spent the night there
or had to call my parents to come and get
me out of jail. Never now, who's smarter those nineteen

(01:40:25):
to thirty five year old kids who think they're lawyers
r us old guys who just drive along real slow,
have our screech and go about our married way.

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
How would you? Have you ever been arrested?

Speaker 4 (01:40:39):
I have been arrested quite a few times, actually, but
I haven't been convicted of anything for drunking, fighting and
for drunken stuff, nothing serious. But yeah, I spent the
night in jail numerous time, but luckily, nothing nothing serious,

(01:41:03):
anything that's gone to court. I've gotten off of.

Speaker 3 (01:41:06):
Where are your parents?

Speaker 4 (01:41:08):
My parents are not a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:41:09):
Yeah, do they like what you do?

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
No, they do not. They're not wrestling fans at all.
And I didn't even tell them I was wrestling today
because they'd be furious with me if they knew, because
they all that they don't understand wrest You have to, don't.
You have to love wrestle. It's either in your blood
or is it isn't like you. You can't understand someone
that wrestles and loves wrestling if you're not a wrestler.

(01:41:34):
I didn't even tell my parents I was promoting the
show today, and I assure if they saw that I
bled today, they'd be furious with me. They don't they
don't understand it. I remember one time I had to
get fifty two stitches. I called my dad, like, can
you pick up my car from this arena? I'm in
the hospital and he's like, why are you in the hospital,

(01:41:57):
Like didn't you just see the match? And he's like, oh,
that was that was real blood And I'm like, yes,
they just don't understand how wrestling works. But my dad's
totally different than I am. Yeah, and same, But my
mom's just I guess you could say my housewife. And
my dad has a decent job. But they don't understand.

(01:42:19):
They're not athletes and they don't understand wrestling.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
So where we were talking about here, Like you went
in actually to training for this, So how did you do?
How did you train to do this?

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
I actually, here's another reason why my parents hate me.
I was a national champion in amateur wrestling when I
was still in high school. I had numerous scholarships to
schools in the States and in Canada, and I turned
them down out of high school to become a professional wrestler.

(01:42:51):
Looking back now, I realized I was stupid to do that,
but I didn't care. I was a great amateur wrestler,
but I didn't care. I wanted to be a professional wrestler.
So I don't think my dad and my mom have
ever really forgiven me for that. But I don't want
to be I don't want to be in it. Like
I'm a good ultimate fighter and training for that right now,
I don't want to do it. My heart is in wrestling.

(01:43:13):
That's all I wanted. I can't explain it. I don't
understand why I love it, but I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:18):
But can you tell me, Like, what kind of training
did you do?

Speaker 4 (01:43:23):
Like, yeah, I went out to the heart. Stu was
still alive at that point, and Bruce Hart was in
charge of the school. I know Honkeey knows Bruce very well,
and they would punish me. It was called the Dungeon.
It's one of the most famous training schools in the world. Yeah,
it's not around now.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Sadistic school.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
Like some wrestling schools would torture by making you do
lots of cardio, but the Dungeon would make you go
through a lot of pain, and both Stu and Bruce
Bruce wasn't a tough guy, but Stu was. But Bruce
had Bruce still kept Stu's value, like he would want
to punish you, like you would have to be tortured

(01:44:06):
if you were if you were going to make it
as a pro wrestler. He didn't care. He could see
someone like me who was a good athlete, and he
would still punish me. And he would rather take a
skinny guy that could go through the punishment than like
a football player that couldn't go through the punishment. Maybe
if the practices were ten in the morning, I'd have
to take sixty slaps to the face every morning, maybe

(01:44:28):
one hundred chops, maybe two hundred breakfall every morning in
the dungeon floor, which isn't like a wrestling ring. The
dungeon floor was MAT's over concrete. It wasn't over wood.
Honky's been in the dungeon havingy honkey it hurts. You'll
learn how to fall properly, or you breake you back.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
I was there to witness the punishment. I didn't train
there because I had already been trained. That was twelve
years in the resting business before I went to Stew's.
To the heart dungeon, and I saw what they did.
And Brett himself even has a tape of some young fella.
They taped it where Stu has this young fellow down

(01:45:12):
in the dungeon and the young fella is screaming at
the top of his lungs, screaming for his life, and
Stu's going have a little this and be a man.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
It was like someone on a torture rack.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
And I when he talks about what Bruce did, Bruce
would mentally, mentally and physically break you down. And Bruce
was the smallest of all the heart boys.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
And Bruce would get off on breaking you down. Right,
Bruce actually got off on this. Yes, he loved breaking you,
love taking it could be the greatest recruit ever, but
he would go out of his way to make sure
the recruit got broken down. And Bruce how many chances
to be signed with the WWE as like a triple
A version of WWE, similar to Florida Championship Wrestling there.

(01:46:12):
But he's so sadistic that he just likes training people
for himself, Like he likes to see a big guy
get beaten down and beaten down and beaten down. He
gets off on him he loves this. There were there
he would have us do scenario. Like some of the
things he would do in practice is say I'd have

(01:46:35):
to wrestle Natty, who's in WWE now Italia has her name.
He'd say, Okay, Devin, here's a scenario for you. You
got Natty pregnant. Now you want to kick the baby.
You want to kick her in the stomach. This is
just I'm explaining to you how sadistic Bruce is and
what gets him on. He'd be like, Okay, you got

(01:46:56):
Natty pregnant and you want to get rid of the baby,
so you're gonna kick her in the stomach. You're gonna
have an argument and you're gonna kick her in the stomach,
and you're gonna try and get the baby out of Natty.
You're gonna do this for about five many minutes that
Naddy's gonna fire up slap you in the face about
twenty times. Because Bruce loves girl versus guys, as you know,

(01:47:18):
he really really loves that kind of stuff. So the
girl would slap and beat the shit out of me after.
But he would just like have us do these scenarios
for fun. But I still agree Bruce may not have
been the greatest trainer, but I agree he at least
got the I don't mean to use the word pussy's
he taught you. Yeah, you have to admit everyone that's

(01:47:41):
been through the dungeon and Chris Beni was so Jake,
the Snakes, even you, we all have a different mentality. TJ.
Wilson's in the Harry space. We have a different mentality
than someone who's been through another wrestling school because we
actually had to fight for real to get trained. We
were beaten down and we had to learn to like

(01:48:03):
take the beating. It took three months of just getting
beat up every single practice before he actually started teaching
me the moves.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
He ran it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
That sounds really messed up though.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
He ran it likely concentration camp where.

Speaker 4 (01:48:17):
Well, some people would last one week. He'd take the
three thousand, it was thirty five hundred American. Some people
he'd take the thirty five hundred American. They'd last one
week and they would leave, and he was fine with that,
and other people would stay. I was one of the
lucky ones that stayed.

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
But isn't that emotional abuse? I'm sorry, but that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
You know, at the time be getting slapped in the face, chopped.
It proved my toughness, though. I think you have to
learn that you can't just take a You can't just
have someone train you. You can't just give someone three
hundred dollars and have them teach you all the secrets.
How do you have respect? Wrestling may not be one
hundred percent real, but you should have some toughness. If

(01:48:56):
someone looks at you and calls you a phony or
a fit, wrestling it's not fake. If someone calls you
a fake, you should be able to fight them. And
that's I do respect Bruce, and I'll always respect Bruce
for that. He got rid of the people that couldn't
stand up for themselves. In a case like that, if
you went through the dungeon, if someone called to you

(01:49:17):
said that you were a fake, you would have the
mentality to be able to fight them. You wouldn't just
be like, Okay, yeah, I'm a fake. I'll walk away
from this like a lot of these guys that you
probably saw wrestle tonight. You must have noticed a difference
between my match and everyone else's. Oh yeah yeah. The
way they teach us in the Hearts. The Hearts had

(01:49:38):
a big influence in Japan. They were influenced by japan
stampagers to have a deal with you Japan. So we
were training the Japanese way, which is very realistic. You're
hitting people as hard as you can, but you're hitting
them in places where it's not going to cause permanent damage.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
But you got hurt, and you get hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:49:58):
You get.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
What's sorry nias body pull. I wish that was d.

Speaker 3 (01:50:13):
Right, But you get hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
You get hurt, right, You get hurt. But that's part
of the sport. I don't think you should go maybe
not every night, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
Feel this.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
I's gonna be Devil's kid here because I know what
you do. You know it's gonna have the appearance of
Ben Islands if we talked to you.

Speaker 4 (01:50:35):
A lot about it. Look at his arms, it's not fake.
Do you take stuff? But you do you think I
would let someone slap me in the face in real life?
If we're at the bar that I'm going to right now,
What would happen if someone slap me in the face. No,
you just tell me what you think would happen.

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
I don't think it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
Would they be would they be dead?

Speaker 3 (01:50:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:50:59):
But in wrestling, I have to take a slap in
the face. In wrestling, I have to look at my head.
Look at this. I have to take a chair shot
to the head or not. What was it a chair?
It wasn't even a chair. It was a thirty pound
case that I was being hit with tonight. In wrestling,
you have to be here's my head. Hit me with it.
In a real fight, if someone tried to hit me

(01:51:20):
with that, I beat the crap out of him. So
when wrestling is kind of weird, you saw that clip
I took a coffee pot to the head. You think
in real life, I'm gonna let someone bash me with
a bottled head. In wrestling, you allow that stuff to happen.
It's not fake. It's not fake at all. I promise

(01:51:40):
you that my arms are killing me. My back's killing me.

Speaker 3 (01:51:43):
The training seems a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:51:44):
Like the training that I went through is different from
the others. But you watch my match and you see
what it's like, and you see my attitude, and you
see Hockey's attitude. Hockey's been down the road. You may
be taking a bit easy now, well where you where
are you a participant in the Big Concession Sound Brawl?

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
And to Philip. I look at it as I've earned
the rights. I've earned the right now to do it
my way, as opposed to some pump kid telling me
how I should do it when he is not trained
the way that this fellow has been trained. If he

(01:52:26):
tells me to go do something, I respect him telling.

Speaker 10 (01:52:31):
Me that, and I would go do it because I
know how and where he was trained and how he
was trained, and he was trained in a in a
in a self in a discipline attitude to where you
have lost everything of your own control.

Speaker 1 (01:52:50):
And then you're reprogrammed to be this other person.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
And you think I wasn't broken down that way, You
think making down My training was physical training and learned,
but then I was. I was trained in a barn
with herb Welch and kocobe Ware was my training partner,
and we trained, but we trained, and he didn't break

(01:53:15):
us down mentally, but we were broken down physically. But
our mental breakdown came for the next two or three
years on the road where we traveled with the veterans
who broke us down just like Bruce Hart broke him
down mentally.

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
You have to be mentally stripped, do you have to
be you have.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
To be mentally totally changed in your mentality because there
is no respect there if you are not reprogrammed.

Speaker 4 (01:53:49):
Yes, what would Bray have Pilbert and Bruce heard you?

Speaker 5 (01:53:51):
To you?

Speaker 4 (01:53:52):
If you were reading? Do you remember if you heard
stories about Bill Kasmayer?

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
I was with Bill tell Us about Bill Cave Bill,
Bill Kasmire, the World's Strongest Man. Tell us about what
Bruce Hart Brian comented to him? They fucked with his mind.
This guy was a celebrity, won the world.

Speaker 1 (01:54:08):
He's on the World's Strongest Man TV show now doing commentary.

Speaker 4 (01:54:11):
What did they do to him?

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
They throwed his mind, broke him down.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
Brian Pillman was a fantastic athlete, a great person and
a great wrestler in this vision, with a great mental attitude.
He was like five foot seven, five foot eight, one
hundred and sixty seventy pounds, right, yeah, And he took
this Bill Kashmire, who was six foot two, six four

(01:54:35):
three three hundred and thirty pounds, world's strongest Man, and
they made him like a baby. They made him every night,
they made him quit the business.

Speaker 4 (01:54:45):
You asked Bill Kasmayer about his time as Sampede Wrestling
made him quit wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
Strongest man in the world, the strongest man come in,
who could who could buy himself? Who could I himself?
Go and train, look in the mirror, pull the weights
and do all those things he had to do alone.
But when it came time for him to stand up
and be somebody else other than that, one person who

(01:55:14):
could do was petrified.

Speaker 4 (01:55:16):
A five seven and thirty pounds Brian Pillman.

Speaker 3 (01:55:19):
I was.

Speaker 4 (01:55:20):
Brian Pillman is dead now because you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
I was there and saw that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:23):
It reminds me, okay, it lets me have people train pickballs.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
It's similar, yes it is. But just like I said,
his training all came in once, one segment of a
period of times. Mine came over a period of time
where mine was learned. Then in the cars, like we're
driving tonight and we've driven today, I was trained by

(01:55:50):
I had to be the bartender to open the beer
and the whiskey, to hand it to the veterans, and
if I didn't do it, they slapped me around. I
was trained to if I wanted to use the restroom,
I didn't ask to get out of the car to
go to the bathroom until they went. I didn't ask
to go before they asked. And when I was in
the locker room, if there was no chair for me

(01:56:11):
to sit in, but there was an empty chair, I
sat on the floor unless I knew that someone told
me I could go sit in that chair. There there's
this etiquette, this professionalism that he learned it in his training.
I had to learn it on the road that if

(01:56:33):
you showed up with stinky, dirty clothes like I talked
about in the locker room, that you've got the shit
kicked out of you and you got your clothes thrown
out in the garbage, and they told you don't show
up tomorrow like that. Are we gonna kick you out and.

Speaker 4 (01:56:45):
Put boot by blattare on you sometimes and make you wash.
I've heard that story. If you had stinky clothes, they
put brute blacknare on your body, so you would have
to shower so much to get the boot blackter off you.
You finally smell clean. That's one of the things that
went on in program because.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
You weren't allowed in it. You weren't allowed in the
locker room with dirty clothes and stinky body. You had
to dress outside with the pigs and the animals at
the carnival. Yeah, that's the discipline. I didn't learn it
in my training.

Speaker 9 (01:57:19):
He did.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
I had to learn it the hard way on the road.
And I'm going, gosh, I'm a college kid. I just
came out of college. What's it's all about. It's about respect,
It's about knowing your position. It's about knowing that you
are absolutely nobody without a partner, or without an opponent,

(01:57:42):
or without a referee. There's so many variables that go
in to what goes on in that ring. You are
absolutely no one. By yourself, you are nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:57:53):
And that's what they're missing. At today's wrestling. People get
contracts out of nowhere with paying no due. They get
a contract. I can be a main events star in
Puerto Rico and they won't hire me, but they'll hire
some football player off throat. And look what happens with
the bronclesters. As soon as they get some stardom, they
quit because they don't have the hurt for real pro wrestler.

Speaker 5 (01:58:13):
So let me ask this, though, do you think through
all that stripping down of your emotional state and taking
you to the place where you think you're nobody, do
you feel like you're stronger people now?

Speaker 4 (01:58:27):
Like? Does that make you ang I'm happy I went
through it. I think every pro wrestler should have to
go through that trading. It weeds out the weak people,
especially today, they have no business wrestling and professional wrestler.
The guy that Hockey wrestled, Luckily, Hockey's a nice guy
and he beat the shit out of them. I have
a means streaking me. I would beat the crap out

(01:58:48):
of them, but Hockey wasn't. Hockey's relaxed and he's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
I can promise you, liah Is, our world economy would
not be in the position it is now. If there
was more training like we went through for the CEOs
of these companies, if they had the discipline instilled in

(01:59:15):
them that we had instilled in us. These people who
run these major corporations, they would have been weeded out,
kill out many years ago. They would have been gone.
They would not have messed up our lives and our

(01:59:36):
children's life.

Speaker 11 (01:59:37):
Because unless you can walk the walk and talk to talk,
how the heck can you tell someone else how to
do it exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
It just it disturbs me of the lack of self.
That's what disturbs me about my own son, the lack
of self. This one you can't self this one yourself
to say no, I don't want to do this anymore.
I can't, I don't want to do it. I'm gonna
stop it. There's no self discipline, and that's what it's
all about. You have to be able to discipline yourself

(02:00:12):
and to say I am gonna be better than that
next person. I am gonna achieve more success than the
next person. I've got to ship beat out of you
in school. I got to ship beat out of me
on the highway. Okay, here we go, because oh.

Speaker 4 (02:00:30):
What a nice asses. We're going back to his hotel
aft year. Were the fun.

Speaker 2 (02:00:43):
The same thing you've left.

Speaker 4 (02:00:46):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (02:00:50):
He was straight. He did nothing but train.

Speaker 4 (02:00:53):
If you if you talk to the girls and very buch,
you have to be your accent. Let me hear one
more time time, Oh the one over ten, vicki's your girlfriend?
Pick her up with that accent.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
Hello, darn, how you doing tonight?

Speaker 3 (02:01:15):
Hell?

Speaker 4 (02:01:15):
Hey, this guy's the greatest in the climent, little champion
of all time.

Speaker 2 (02:01:18):
My name is Johnny Ca.

Speaker 3 (02:01:21):
So just get back to it.

Speaker 6 (02:01:24):
I think it's gonna be from a chicks perspective, that's
that whole mental abuse think.

Speaker 3 (02:01:29):
It's really fucked up and.

Speaker 4 (02:01:30):
Fortunate backed up with Bruce Beefcake.

Speaker 2 (02:01:33):
Unfortunately we don't have a fact on that.

Speaker 4 (02:01:35):
So hey, you want to call brutus.

Speaker 3 (02:01:39):
Blood today?

Speaker 2 (02:01:41):
Uh, I saw a lot of broken tables and furniture,
and I saw a lot of blood. As we discussed earlier,
it's you know, at one time in my life, it
was part of what I did. But uh, now it's
not my cup of tea because I'm so dance guy
with a jumpsuit on. And I leave that to fellas

(02:02:03):
like him, the hardcore more.

Speaker 4 (02:02:06):
Uh, and they go in there to fight. I don't
go in there wrestle. They go there in there to win.

Speaker 2 (02:02:14):
Any way, I can leave the chair.

Speaker 4 (02:02:17):
That's just part of the match, So I leave that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:20):
I leave I leave that part fellas like him who
would like to do the fighting we we need. The
cover of the book does not tell the story. You
have to have many pages of the book to tell
the story. And a wrestling show has to have many pages,
and it has to have many scenarios and many different characters.

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
We didn't have mitches today. We didn't have girls. We
had a vale.

Speaker 2 (02:02:49):
She was she was both very saskatchooed. Well, yeah, she
was very uh. We we dressed in this same locker room,
and we have the same scars on our head, and
we take the same bumps, and wrestling is a fountain
of youth.

Speaker 3 (02:03:32):
No like that, all right,

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