🎸 HONKY'S EPIC PHILLY TO NJ ROAD TRIP: The King's CRAZIEST Adventure! 🚗

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
What's up.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
We're gonna get to this night? Yeah, everybody's standing around
hugging on each other carp.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm about forty five minutes.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Oh now that stuff.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Huh on a fucking trip? How was the trip? Oh?
Four hours of fucking misery? Huh? Playing right from the
hell jam Pack. I was squished over in a window seat. Huh,
it's not like crazy. That's good. You've worked for this

(00:50):
guy before, right, Joe Penzerino, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's okay.
That's what we had. I worked for Johnny Rodd's a
couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Had a show in Pennsylvania, right, and I guess Kowaws
kid falling there tripped and broke his ankle or something.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
I remember that he couldn't get over to do this
with this one's autograph signing or something.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
A couple of weeks ago for the show, they called
to try to get me on it, and I couldn't
get loose from the Johnny Rods. She would get over
to do it anyway. They were talking back and forth
in the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Joe Panzerino calls me. He says, this guy is really
twisting my balls.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
He's a real ball twister. So I named my whole
fall tour. It is a triple x raated ball twisting tour.
I like to give him names. You know, I had
to last What was it doing in the spring? Yeah,
it was a triple x ated wet t shirt. Jake's
crack pipe on a pole tour says everything with you, guys,

(01:54):
good good, good for you.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
You had to make a stop now.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
I took a quick piss in there, real fast, and
I don't know, maybe a cup of coffee somewhere.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
To take with me. All I bought these.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
I buy these little you get about one hundred of them,
you know that store Price Club or Costco. Yeah, anyway,
they're a little sleep aids you take like a little
sleeping pills, right, and and I took, you know, sometimes
like this sharp flight four hours, I take take a
half one.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
The fucking thing knocks you right out.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
When I go to Amsterdam next in two weeks, I'll
take a whole one. Going over boom wake, a couple
of shots of vodka. Yeah, probably don't have your vodka
this morning. How's the weather been.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
It's good, It's like ninety Yeah, I take a heatwave here.
He gets it wrong. What hot is down there? It's
probably really but at least it's drying hours. You have
like forest fires out there. They said that's been pretty
bad this year.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's get so hot you
just kick it out to heat staying.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
So yeah, the riots probably like ann out what is
it now? And have.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah? Why about Tower fifteen.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Over to wild Wood. Yeah, there's no big rush set
because we don't have to get over there. There's sometime
around five thirty or five or so. How about those
having her boys? Oh yeah, you're a girl, Habner tey Tayners?
Were they fencing T shirts? I heard what they were doing?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Is uh? I guess it was. I think it was Dave.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
He would compliment the people and he would take the
comps instead of complimount to people could sell them.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Okay, yeah, it's been going on for years.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Oh yeah, everybody knew about it. Well.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
I was talking about one of my friends that worked
in the PR department up there a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
He works with.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Last Car with seacrums now right, that says a sponsor
with Last Car.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
He still lives up in Connecticut. He didn't keep over
the resting too much, but it's like he said, they
don't you don't have to have a reason to be
fired for that company. Oh yeah, exactly know, because anytime
they want.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
To get rid of you, they just they find something, right, right,
I mean the Heppner has been there twenty twenty one years. Yeah,
it's crazy, but yeah, I mean, gosh, be fencing T shirts, that's.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
What they were doing. Where are you staying after the
show tonight?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Of all names being in the business, we're in Carneye's point. Okay,
a Carne staying in Carnee?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
How about that?

Speaker 5 (04:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:44):
I got a ton of questions whenever you like, if
you want to eat coffee first, then I'll start asking away.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
We'll stop up here. Oh yeah, after the bridge okay.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Oh yeah, I gotta try to wake up seeing this
is what it gets me too.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
So these guys I didn't tell them.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
They probably would have if I'd ask. I just didn't
think about it usually I do. I tell these guys,
I need to come a day early, right, it's three
hour time change. It's eleven thirty at home, right, right.
And then when it's all over tonight at at at
at nine o'clock or so, it's it's it's six o'clock
at home, right, So it kind of messes me up.

(05:18):
I usually like to come a day early. That's what
I do when a say amsterdamn trip, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Go in a day early. Who's that for?

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Just uh local guys over there? I went last year
when they first started a promotion.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
How many shows? Just a one?

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, they were running one show in Rotterdam. It'll do
okay for 'em. They had a show planned for when
was I in Austria up three months ago, and they
kept playing around and playing around, and they wouldn't get
back to me on the tickets. So the ticket so
that the guy from Switzerland and Austria could split the tickets.
You know I would probably do to split. And finally

(05:54):
they said, always think we're gonna go with Jim danviel N. Iheard,
and I said, well, I wish you. I wish you
got all uh the best with Jim, and I hope
everything works out. I said, if anything changes, I'll be
in Austria and I could just catch a train or
plane and stay over four days and then work their show.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Anyway. I get back home and they're calling.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
I guess an boy was having some problems, he said
with his passport, and he didn't get on the plane
that day.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
I guess see, yeah, do we send everybody in the
plane ticket? We haven't talked to it. I said, well,
I wish you the best. What can I say? But
I couldn't turn around and go back. I was all
right home. What's Ampsteam Lake is a cool? Yeah, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I was there both times i've been. It's gonna be
like September. So the weather was just, you know, fairly
nice like like here. Now I've got two days off
this trip, so I'm gonna actually get downtown red late
or yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, I want to go see you know. I like
to check out the you know, the.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Fruits of the land that went on there. I can
know what else is going on in the world. I
don't want to just hear about it. You know Travolta
set in pulp fiction. They put mayonnaise on French fries
there in Amsterdam and they do Wow, yeah, would minds you?
The Canadians put brown gravy on French fries.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
So I put ketch up on chicken. There you go.
We all got our little things. We do exactly.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Oh, have you been watching the business as of lead?

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Not?

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Now it's now because I'm not.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
I don't particularly care about the Shawn Michael's old brother.
Where art thou praise the Lord?

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Bullshit?

Speaker 2 (07:47):
And and you know he's kind of been hypocritical on
a lot of things. I won't I won't be a
bad guy. I'm not gonna turnhill because of my religious
and victions.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Now what's he do? He sees a paycheck with holgare
turn What do you think of that program? It's okay,
it's you know, it's old school type deal. It's gonna
feel it's okay. Uh see Hogan show up? Is that
a crock of ship? Yeah? Everything is.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
It's it's so scripted, it's not even I tell. Somebody
said once you can't there's certain things you can't follow.
And Ozzy, the Osbourne thing was it was so real
and it really was the way this priple were that
you can't overcome that. And Hogan, Hogan's trying to be
you know Hogan and every you can tell it's scripted.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Did you see this thing on his daughter's car? Oh
that's why would he need to do that? If there's
a camera crew with her the whole time, how's it
gonna be? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, And it's just it's it's so faked funny.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
I can't believe they picked it up for another season.
I don't know. Yeah, I get picked up again.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I U they dumped that thing after about six six weeks,
he got picked up again. Yeah, it's all about trying
to get his daughter into music business. And believe me,
he has had a lot of money. He's got a
big name. But unless you can sell records, you don't
get into music business.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
I think the last time we talked to you, we
were talking about brand Neyworton and his total when that
pretty much ended really quick when Trouble later came back.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well I kind of predicted that, I think.
I think I said it wasn't gonna be that long.
The sad thing was they called me up to come
do the squash job.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
You know, I think about Payday. Yeah, yeah, Jake came in.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
He had his best best Sunday shirt on it. I
already got a decent payday though. Now the DVD two
with him, I think, yeah, he signed up on that
deal that I didn't sign on.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
Did you get any realties that off of that other
DVD that they just did The Superstars of the Eighties
I think.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
You're no, I haven't yet.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
They had the best of the Inner Condlo matches. They
were mad at me and he left me off of
those sons.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, I guess they'd gotten back to the answer we gave.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Him for the DVD Classic Doll Toy Figurine. They were
going to produce a lot of these guys signed up
on them. First of all, the Jacks people were signing
guys and they were signing for five thousand dollars and
like ten percent royalties or something, I don't know what
it was. And some of the guys jumped on that

(10:33):
deal with Jack's Toys. Mike Mannon, I guess gossiptics they're
gonna sign these guys, I might as well do myself.
So he sent out a contract then ten thousand, seventeen
pages or something. Yeah, And buried in that contract was

(10:53):
at the end of the term, when the term was
five years. At the end of the term, they owned
all the rights to the name again, so I guess
for ten grand I could have just sit sure. And
then it also buried in there one.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
On.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, and any bookings you have have to go be
cleared through them.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Wow. Any appearances you make have to be cleared through them.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I went through that with them guys before you know,
it was okay for a while and then maybe you know,
like you call me up and said you want to
do this thing, and then uh, I said, well, I
got to clear it with Jim Ross. So I facts
over my days to Jim Ross, and in the beginning
he brought me back right away, Sure you can go
do that.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Then it got to the point where it went on.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
For three, four or five weeks, you know, and you're
you're on the phone screaming, you gave you got to
put posters out, you gotta do your advertising right. So
I finally just said the heck with it, and I
asked to be released from from that nonsense. And then
they sent out this seventeen pa seventeen pages.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Anyway, I gave it to my.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Friend and Detroit does some legal work for me. He
reduced it down to one paragraph and.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
We said we will take twenty five thousand.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
We don't want any royalties and work, and we keep
the name good for the dollar for the DVD or
whatever they want to do. How are you gonna count
the royalties? Demolician as already found out and in his
court case with him. Guys, there was not the up
and up on the royalties. Huh, how about that?

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Were you friends with Bossman at all? You know?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
In the beginning, I would say we were just business.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Associates, I guess.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
And then when I went over to the WCW and
he was there, I didn't see that much of him
because he wasn't around that often. And then he was
back in the WWF and I wasn't with him there.
So I had grown totally away from hadn't seen a
guy in a long time.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
When I found out what happened to him that, it
was quite a shock.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I didn't know he was probably did as much out
of the ring activities with things that I was out
of the loop on it. I'd ask a promoter and
had used him in Ohio about a month before he
passed away.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
I said how it was.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
He said, well, he was asleep in the locker room.
I said, that tells me right there.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yeah, why do you think, like no federal authority has
ever like investigated wrestlers deaf and stuff like that, since
there was like more wrestling dust than any other sport.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, how about that?

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, we got more guys falling dead every day than
anybody else in any sport.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
And uh, I don't know why they know. I mean, well,
you know, it's really it'd be different. I guess if
we were like the baseball players have to go up
and testify in front of Congress, and because that's a
whole different deal, they're on a what does it call
where they the Congress is in charge of that baseball

(13:50):
stuff a little bit, so you know, they don't really
watch over us, right because they're non union. We're independent contractors,
you know. I guess they'd say, well, it's many independent
con tractor roof for guys dies that there are. Wrestlers
are just not as well known.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I don't know what's happened with these guys. That's great,
you know a lot of it is they just can't
they can't live without the spotlight. They haven't decided that
you have to make changes according to what's going on
in your life. And if you're not out here working
three hundred shows a year, uh, in the big arenas

(14:26):
and and and for the big company, then you're gonna
have to cut back and do things different.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
And they haven't did they haven't learned how to do that,
some of them.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Some of them that, Hey, when it's all over from
me and the phone stops ring, I'll just blend back
in society.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
That's all, no big deal.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
We did an interview with Billy Gunn and we talked
about the shoot interview you did before. I think it
was a year ago, and he did he said he
never never knew he had heat with you or anything
like that.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
If I don't, I wouldn't call it really, but I
don't guess it was heat. I mean, heat to me
is worth two guys that kind of at each other.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
And then for some reason, yeah anywhere fine his cops
going from He right, Okay, I don't. I didn't wasn't
really heed.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
It was the fact that I don't think Billy understood
what I had done in my career and what I
could have helped him do there with that thing, and
he he I didn't think.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
He put out an effort on it.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
From what I understand from what he told you and
his thing that he felt like I didn't want to
work with him.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
I didn't have any problem working with him. You know,
I kind of figured they picked.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
The wrong guy. It wasn't him. It was just the
wrong guy in the wrong timing.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Did you see the interview he did with him or
somebody told me about it?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Somebody told me, But no, I don't think there's any
heat there other than the fact that he probably thinks
I didn't want to work with him and I didn't
think that he was the right choice for what they
were doing.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
So okay, boys.

Speaker 6 (15:52):
Let's get it out and kept a coffee.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Ann you have a black dog?

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Is that what sort of should have?

Speaker 3 (16:14):
One medium lock?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Me?

Speaker 1 (16:19):
I think.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Every one.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Ring of pure sure a dog?

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Say your own?

Speaker 1 (16:50):
That's you make about two novel prums and also a uh.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Nah black.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
I don't eat the sweets than.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Kay, you throw it in here, Joe, uh three years?

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Okay, right, can I hold y'all know where gonna fill'em?
You for your match? Talking number the match and uh the.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Match itself and afterwards and a lot of self something
a lot that just moved it.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Okay, Yeah, when uh Central setting this up? I know
it's it's fine with me, but you know it's about
my show, be right, would you?

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, he said it was a leading carol. I'm talking
him the boon himself well, of course he didn't care then, Yeah, exactly, exactly.
That's not much of the bone, but it's still something
better enough. Yeah, the last time I were with you
was about a year ago. It seems like yesterday.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, got in fact, I'm most state that Ramato again.
I'll be there Friday, Friday, Saturday night.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
You got a lot of stuff this Honday.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
H Yeah, it picked up.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
What the other said, right, which you think today and
then you know what, anything to do Tomorrow was rain day,
so I don't have anything tomorrow. And then you got
an autograph signing home the Lily Wok shows on Friday night,
and an autograph thing up in someplace in New Jersey

(18:35):
on Saturday afternoon, and some show in Pennsylvania. Tom Brandy's
taking me too, Okay, on Saturday night, you got a
lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
I'm supposed to go to.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
This thing called vild Fast, a bunch of bands in
Ohio over in near Columbus, Ohio for Sunday.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
The guys had me advertised. They didn't call until Monday.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
To ask about the plane ticket, and I've not heard
from him, so it doesn't look like I'll be going
to Ohio.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
And if that's the case and he he kind of
falsely put all this stuff together.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Which happens, you know, call you up, you're open for
this day. Yeah, they go ahead and start advertising you, right,
and they never call you back. Then, as far as
the fans are concerned, or people on the internet or
other promoters, what they do is they say, well, he
didn't show up, he didn't make his plane sing out.
The word spreads all over the world. You know, showed somebody,
which is bullshit. I only know showed one guy. Well guy, no, oh, okay, okay,

(19:42):
he got.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
He's like, oh, I want to talk to Honky when
he was in town. What was his take on that?
I don't know. I thought I was gonna be with
you today a couple of days ago. I actually I
didn't know show him. He did? They they sent nobody
to pick me up on the live. The one that.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
The one I really did know show was that the
guy that just got convicted and got the big judgment
against him in California on the wrestler's death.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh, rolling Rolling Alexander.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yeah yeah, I was actually just I just wanted to
play your office and fuck him, but he got me
back because I want to use a ticket at the
airport and he's already canceled.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
No on this other guy from up here though, up
in Jersey. I don't know. I had to check out
the Hotel of eleven, you know, was the afternoon show.
I don't know why it didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
For some reason, he thought the guy that dropped me
off the night before was gonna pick me up and
take me. Well, that kid wasn't even on the show.
He lives somewhere in Pennsylvania. He had to leave, so
it got all messed up.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
He had the old gray haired Riggy the Dragon steamboat
there anyway.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
So.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
What are your thoughts about Debasi now being back? He's
now boy, oh boy, he probab hypocrisy. It never stops,
does it. Nope? You know, they do their thing. I
guess I knew sooner or later.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
MacMahon was gonna take him back and take that some
of that group back because with their little Christian wrestling
they were doing, they were giving guys a lot of work.
He was running sometimes three four shows a month, you
know what I'm saying, right, and you do that there's
thirty forty shows a year, and if a guy the
guys in the locker room are not making a lot
of money in the WWE as we speak, and they

(21:33):
hear that Ted dB OUs has got these Christian rsling
shows and the guys are getting fifteen hundred, two thousand
and three thousand dollars pay days. You know, they start
thinking twice exactly. Plus all these all these older guys
were getting a lot of work too. So that's see,
that's kind of what MacMan does.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
I think he gets even Stevebuck's back now the Rhode Agent. Yeah,
as the world turns there, I ever say never in
the WWE. Well, I think, make the coffee so hot
you can't drink it. I have poor half of the
hum you see me, poor.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Half the coffee out, Yeah, because you can't ride in
the thing in the car and the coffee's full.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
It's so hot you can't eat drink it. You think
Aboutista's gonna be the next big thing, and you think
he's gonna be a flop. Nah.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
I I don't see anybody out there right now. There
is nobody to pick the torch up.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
If there was. I if Batista was gonna be the
next big now he might be.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
I might be wrong, but from what I understand was
a bodybuilder and just wanted to get into for re
wrestling and and told people they all do anything and
helped me that. I I can't see it. I just
I can't see it right now. He could develop, but
he's not one of those breakout guys.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Like Rocky was. You know it was rock was, Like
we talked about this before it had had everything before
it ever started. He was all set.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
I don't know that I hold into Austin match you're
talking about. That could get a little bit of interest,
but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
It never worked today. Yeah, Brut's coming back. Yeah, you
can't work go Yeah. Plus, I don't think you want
to spend that time away in that little Italian girly
mary he he he. Brett says, I didn't I didn't

(23:27):
punch and kick hard enough.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
And my my thoughts on that were this, Obviously Goldberg
punched and kicked hard enough as you.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Had a stroke, put you out of business, gave you
such a concussion. Now, I would have to say, Brett,
who would you rather work with for the next year,
Goldberg every night or me? And I don't know that.
I don't know Goldberg. I never met it, but I
guess the other pretty hard to kick Brett's head.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Maybe, what are your thoughts on a triple H? And
do you think he's as bad as everyone says he
is for the business?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Well, I don't know. I mean, gosh, thether guy's gonna
catch it.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
He's gonna catch a lot of flight just because he's
he's in the family, he's married and there, and you
know they're gonna protect their own and he's he deserves
to be the champion because he draws.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
He does pretty good. I don't see anything wrong with
what Triple H does. Do you think out of a
love or political power? I don't know if you've married
someone out of political power? You know what I'm saying?
You know, what's he doing? What was he doing sitting
at home or on the planes or in the hotel room, scheming? Conniving?
How can I hell? Why would he marry Stabby? Why
he needs to go ahead and marry Linda, get the

(24:40):
real get to the real dough.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
But no, I don't think someone sits around and schemes
and connives about I think I'll try to marry the
boss's daughter or you know, now, can we say it's love?

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I don't know, be could not be. Could it be
one of those arranged marriages.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Never know.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
In the last interview, you're talking about Vince with his
impacted you know what to see him get.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Hurt all uh, yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
That was one of the few shows I saw where
he he I guess from what I understand, there was
a problem with something going on to finish or at
the end of the match, it.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Wasn't going the way he wanted. He goes out to
the ring and I was.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Doing an appearance for a guy and I had to
sit watch the show with a bunch of the people.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
And when he came out to the ring and slid up,
I saw him hit his knee.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
I saw his knees, his kneecap at least the one
who catch the corner of that apron. And I told
the guy there. He said, boy, he didn't look like
that felt too good. I said, no, it didn't feel good.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
He's hurt.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
And when he rolled over to try to get up,
you could just see the pain on his face. And
I've had it happen to me, but not that severe.
I mean, I guess he hit his legs so hard
it tore the quad steps. It was lucky to knock
his kneecaps off, because.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
That's a you know, you try to run slide in
the ring. If you don't have your legs just right,
it could be pretty pretty damaging, and he was. He
was damaged. I don't know who the two guys were
in the ring. Yeah, I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Have you been watching the Diva Challenge? No, I could
care less about that. If I want to seek tits
and ass'll go to the strip level. You think it's
a waste of their TV to have something so little.
I think it's I think it's a uh, it's a
lack of having anything else to put on TV.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Obviously, somebody there that's in the that's in the mix
likes to have the girls there to do that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
The one girl I think was the Evy Weber. She
was ripped so much by the boys that she quit.
Oh yeah, well that's normal. I found out she was
an escort, I think a Javan or something. I saw
a clip.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
I didn't see it off the television, saw it on
the internet where I guess this one just this one
chick somebody ran up put pie in her face.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Oh yeah, she went fucking nuts.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Man.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah, and and and they canned her. She got kicked
off the show that night. I don't know if he
had anything to do with the pie in the face,
but she was fine. She was ready to kick some asks.
Did Pat Patterson quit or something over Triple Leach, you
had too much power? You heard? You know? I never that.

(27:31):
It's just one of those little rumors that was going around.
But I don't think so. No, that's not the kind
of guy to.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Quit, because there's not too many people in that office
have more power than Pat, you know, other than Vance.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
So I don't see that.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
No, there's like, uh, what are your thoughts on Rick
Flair putting over Triple each did like putting Triple each over?

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Like you know here, you think he's doing that because, uh,
it's the power thing and he knows triplation's power. Or
do you think he really means that he's playing the game?

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Flare knows where that bread is buttered. He knows Triple
H is his friend. They preserve they tend to be
tight with each other. Flair knows, you know, his his
his ticket is Triple H. And he's not stupid, you
know he act stupid, He's not you think he's fake
at all, or you think's he's a real person Flair. Yeah,

(28:30):
when he shakes your hand and smiles get ready for
the knife in.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
The back's Tennessee. Yeah, I guess that's what he call it.
It could be a handshake from anywhere. Nowadays.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
His coffee is get means to be talking fairs and
Jake Robbers on a crack pipe. Did you ever read
Flair's book at all or night? No, I've never read
a wrestler's book. I think I told you that before
when when I read the first after larn Anderson's book
at the bus stop to the bookstore many many years ago,
and he didn't say anything about Bob Armstrong.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Pulling off his two pay.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
So I mean, in an event like that, why wouldn't
you mention that as when you talk about your first
matches in the business?

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Right?

Speaker 2 (29:17):
So, No, I don't read them simply because they don't. Ever,
for some reason, these wrestling books, there's not a lot
of truth in there. There's a lot of made up
store And I don't know why Flair took.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
A shot at me in that book. He took a
shot at me, so I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Have been anything if it hadn't been for Ho Cogan,
I wouldn't have drawn a dime and this and that.
And I've been in the business drawing all over long
before I ever met Hulk Cogan, So I don't know where.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I don't know where Flair got those numbers from.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
What are you thought tonight Hogan coming back? Do you
think he's just doing it for his up yard for
a tiv joan.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I think it was a trade off from what I understand.
When he left the Madison Square Garden the last time,
and he would have wore a mask and before he
and then he would go out, he pulled the mask.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Up bunch peoples who he was, pulled up a bunch
of people who he was.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
And I know from some some young wrestlers that were
in the locker room that night that they they witnessed
the fact that Hogan told us his kid was with him,
his son, Come on, get our stuff, Let's get the
hell out of here.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
I'm done with these guys.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
It was pretty much he was finished with MacMahon, and
mcmah himself said he couldn't do business with Hogan anymore.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
But that's the wrestling business. Never say never. I think
it was a trade off for both of them.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Hogan could have used the publicity to help his show
and mac mahon could use the publicity to help his show.
So when when the two meet together again they see
dollar signs, you forget all those bad things ever been said.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
What about paper your friend?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Uh, Roddy Piper nuts We we nicknamed him that Piper
nuts We boy. He went berserk when we put the
emails on the on the internet. You know, but anytime
if you send it, if I send you an email,
it's not my email anymore, I've sent it.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
To you and you can do with it what you want.
So he went nuts on that. Yeah, Piper nuts. I.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
I don't know what's wrong with that guy. I really
don't know what's wrong with him. I've not seen him
in person fifteen years, but he's back. Why they brought
him back, I don't know. Once again, but see these
guys just they signed for the.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
Classic Wrestling figure. They signed to do that in the
DVD projects and the books.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
And that's that's why they're back. Because there's one of
those guys been signed back. They're not really signed to work,
they're just signed up to go and do pr stuff
like Superstar Ground. They come to Phoenix and have a show.
They bring him out, introduce him, give him a payday.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Did you see the WrestleMania halls? What is the Hall
of Fame ceremony? They did? No, I think he'll ask
you to do that. They had me on the short list.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
They had me on the short list, so when I
wouldn't sign for the figure that the stuff, then they
kind of got mad at me.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I don't know, I don't know what this Hall of
Fame thing's all about. I guess they'll give you a payday,
fly you out, give you a pay day.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Bring your wife, You get to have a nice dinner
and food and drinks, and you get a ninety day
no compete clause where you can't work for anybody else.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
I'm gonna just not work for anybody else ninety days
after I've been in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Can you imagine that? That is crazy to think about it.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, there's always there's always a catch to something that
that office does. There's never just to go in and
do it and be friends and have fun and pat
each other on the bike and relift some memories there's
always something there to catch you.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
I'd love to do business with them, but I can't.
I just can't do business for them.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
What are your thoughts on the whole idea that w
W the pretty much dropped the whole i c W
title for like, I think two thousand and you watch
those pig potholes?

Speaker 1 (33:17):
What did you see that? So here's another one. Holy
Christ went straight up in your air as long as
you caught it. Yeah, on the way down he said, hey, okay,
what was that?

Speaker 4 (33:28):
I was saying, what are your thoughts on ic W
title being dropped for a little while back in on
two thousand and three and four?

Speaker 2 (33:34):
And out they bringing it back? And uh, anything was
pretty stupid. W tried to jump the title. Yeah, it's
never been the same since that. Uh, and he's gonna
take somebody with some credibility to come back.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
And he did put on carlt o'clone, didn't Sheldon Benjamin
having for like seven months or something, Yeah, everyone thought
Sheldon Sheldon, what is Sheldon lit intervention?

Speaker 1 (33:58):
He was gonna be the break my record? Yeah, right,
what's the record? What's the one? Fifteen months? Just short
of fifteen months, I guess on a real historian snob.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Anytime you take a title and you put it on women,
or you throw it in the trash, or you throw
it off the river, off in the river, and you
make it to where it means nothing, then it takes
years for it to ever to ever really bring it back.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
You know, if Hogan took the World's title, whichever one
they have now they have, they have too.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
So see, neither one of them mean a damn thing. Exactly, Yeah,
neither one. But neither one means anything. But let's just take,
for instance, Hogan takes let's say he wins.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Both of them. He beats both of that. To the
guys he takes them, he goes over here to the
to the to the river, stands up. That's it.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I'm throwing these titles away. They're junk, they're no good,
they mean nothing. It would take decades to ever.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Make it mean something again. They just haven't found the
right person. Who do you think is the right person?
Do you think he's not out there yet? Where do
you think?

Speaker 5 (35:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I just I don't. I don't think that the right
person's out there right now.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Uh. The guys they have are good guy, there's nothing
wrong with it. But they've been up and down the
card so much that they have no credibility. It's it's
it's legitimate champions.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Even John Cena, I mean one, Yeah, I don't. It
tends to be the rock too much. Yeah, with his promos.
At least have you done any more shows of the
clowns you're talking about this?

Speaker 2 (35:39):
No, they had that, they had their big gathering. I
guess yeah, last week or two weeks ago. They didn't
call me, fark uh. One of their guys did call me, uh,
which one, rude boy, Rudy he called about two months ago.
It wasn't about the gathering. It was about some other
shows that they were gonna start doing shows again.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
That's what keep me posted. Those clowns. You better get
your dough from them quick. That's when the show's over.
The clowns are gone. You're talking about the last one
like man Man Pondo, and we're gonna book them on.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Some shows coming up.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
I saw something on a clip from somewhere where Pondo.
I guess it took him last where he cut his
arm probably why oh yeah, oh man, did you ever see.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
The one with Negro Butcher? No, No, slammed them off
the ladder through all the LFE tubes and like the
guy's arm on his tham.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
I mean, that's to me, that's ludicrous. There's nobody done
anymore hardcore. Even Pondo Week gives me that. At least
he gives me the grandfather of hardcore because he said
he watched all that stuff I did and we did
in Memphis and made him start doing as the brother
you took this to a different level. Yeah, oh yeah,

(37:00):
it's it's a whole new era of desecration of the flesh.
With you, I don't know, unbelievable what he does.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I don't know. I don't know how he's alive. I
don't know. That's a testament to him. I guess what
are your thoughts on the current week tag division of
the wrestling. There's no good tag teams out there anymore.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
They did the same thing with the tag Belts as
they did with the inter Continental. It just they switched
him back and forth so much to so many different
tag teams that just were teams thrown together.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
That they the belt did meet.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
The tax mean nothing now And for some reason they
got rid of managers, and without without managers, tag teams
just to aren't as important. You really need that manager
with that tag team, especially for good heal tag team,
and there's no managers. There's no way for for for

(37:58):
young guys to learn how to beat my and there's
most of the training schools.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Nobody there knows how to training manager. What are your
faults on the Iron Cheek and his drug use? Well, gosh,
you know, we all got our skeletons buried all around.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
And uh, I'm not wanting to criticize the man. It
might partake a few little things on the side. Do
you know if you had something here today, I might
try myself And know if Jake was here and he
had to crack fight, I'd probably hit it.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, so uh yeah, I mean I don't mind. I'm
not I'm not one of these hardshell uh better than
thou people. It's gonna criticize somebody for what they do.
Iron Chic. I love that man to death. You know,
he's just a great guy.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
He's done so much and there's there's not any place
you can't go that is not a good Iron Chek story.
I mean that he has done more to be a
legend than anybody I know. He's a legend in Anna out.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Of the wrestling business. Did you get to see the
first HBK met you get Star Kurd angled all? Did
you get the watch side or not?

Speaker 3 (39:11):
No?

Speaker 1 (39:13):
No, I just don't. I just don't sit down and
watch it.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
He's the most talented guy that I've seen come along
out of the out of the amateur ranks in a
long long time. I mean, this guy's he's good. He's
good at everything he does. I think he does a
great job when he's a good guy, and he does
a great.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Job being the bad guy. He's extremely talented, and he
came along really fast, which was good. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
I don't know if you saw Wrestlemedia, but basically they
had the two top baby feaces from Raw and SmackDown,
both actually grandon titles at the paper view.

Speaker 7 (39:52):
What are your thoughts on that. You think that's good
for business having two, you know, baby feaces from each company,
Probably not now, because it depends on what they had
cooking coming up.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Later down the line, what they needed to do, or
what they were looking for. When you got good guy.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
I've always said, unless it's a hot coat in a
rocky and you got really good strong heels and the
people are.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
They they come to see.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
The good guy keep the belt because he's so good,
and he's so the heels are so mean and dastardly,
it's so bad. The people buy a ticket to make
sure that they can support the good guy and he
keeps the belt away from this old, mean hill. And
then if you got really good heels they can carry it,
and you got some weaker baby faces, then you let

(40:46):
the hell have the belt and you have the weaker
baby faces and try to have them take that belt from.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
That mean old hill.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Oh, I'm gonna go watch this guy. People bought tickets
to see me get beat. People bought tickets to see
Hawk Cogan remained the champion. They've bought take us to
see him win. That's a total difference in the way
that people looked at him. But we had such good
heels that when you got a Kamala or you got

(41:14):
Andre the Giant or you know, cowboy Bob Ordon, didn't
matter who you put in there.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
These guys are all strong and gentlemen, good hills.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
That people were afraid man he might have a chance
with Hogan, he might take Hogan's belt, And so they
bought tickets to make sure that they supported Hogan, whereas
with me, they hated me so much they didn't care
which baby face took the belt from me. It could
have been Leaping Lanny pof or and they would have
loved it.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
Their S. D.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Jones, I think still of the roof would have came
off the building. So sure that S. D. Jones was
rumors that he was had the most group use of
any rustling. I don't know, you know, I never I
was never around SD away from the building, so I
don't know. I know that he did.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
He did a great Rocky Johnson impersonation though of the
Rock's dad. You know that Cable Bank, because they were
a tag team partners, I guess for a while, and.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
You get a Rocky. Have you seen any of his movies? No,
he just looks so.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Different, you know, because he's got that Hollywood look where
they make you lose fifty pounds. You know, they want
you to like really really bony and skinny, and his
notices the prefrontal lobes of his head or you know
you can see him now because it's he's lost in
which weight?

Speaker 4 (42:29):
Do you think he sold out of his family by
going to Hollywood or do you think it was a
good choice guy out of wrestling.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Oh gosh, he made the best choice, Holly.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
When it comes time to for somebody to slam me
in Hollywood, you stop the camera, they bring in someone,
the guy takes a slam, and you.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Go sit down and watch. Son. He made the right choice. Guy.
He's you can only wrestle so long in Hollywood. He
can go forever. I mean, he can go and go.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
It's like Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods can play golf till
he's if he lives to beyonder and he's due to
play golf.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Do you think Rock you'll ever make a comeback in
the ring? I don't know. It's hard to say it.
You know, it depends on that. Movie business is tough
also because not every movie is gonna be a hit
and not.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
You know, pretty soon you might not have anybody calling you.
Uh Will he want to come back and do wrestling?
I'm sure he can anytime he wants. Cameo appearances for
him is all he needs to do. Now, what are
your thoughts on us? Steve Austin's Bri've come back? You
think whoever he turns to the ring again or I.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
What how what his physical condition is as far as
the neck injury, you know, wrestling the right people, he
could go on and have a successful.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Career down the line.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
But to go out there every night and go in
with some of these kids that's out there nowadays, that's
not trained as well.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
You really are.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
If you have a serious injury, or you've got a
pre existing injury, you stand a chance of leaving the
business in a wheelchair. Now, he could go out and
wrestle with Hogan for six months or eight months, or
or or myself or someone that is not gonna do
any physical damage to him, and you know, have a
come by career of it.

Speaker 5 (44:11):
Suppose from uh, I guess where our last interview was
last August? Any good stories of any independent shows and
matches you've done this year?

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Oh gosh, I don't have to think. Here's all. Listening
these independent shows is like starting all over, it really is.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I mean, they you know, they try, but come on,
why do they want to put their little They go
get a little smoke machine, you know, to try to
make smoke, and it doesn't work, and they get the
they get the disco lights going and they and you know,
they got the stuff all taped up outside and for
the curtain and it falls down and the matches go

(44:52):
forever and ever and ever. This this show here coming
over for Joe. They run a real tight show. As
I said, it'll it'll be in and out and do
it the right way.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
And a couple of guys do that. Most of them.
It's it's it's their own little fantasy, you know.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
They get to be promoter of the day or they
get to be there MWL for whoever they are with.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
They got their little names and they all got their
little belts.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
They want to be champions. Yeah, yeah, I even well.
I had a guy ask not long ago, would I
put one of his guys over it's setting the match
if you don't mind, we'd luck to to sayd raise
he's our champion.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Uh and he's back next month with the guy said, no,
I'm not. I don't do that. Huh. I don't do that.
I'm not going out and put these guys over for what.

Speaker 5 (45:44):
We're what part of the United States or maybe what country?
Do you think you can get the best reaction in Canada?

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Canada?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, for some reason, I always drew very well. But
I say for some reason, but And this is a
story I'll tell you guys that I hadn't told you before.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
When I went to the w w f E.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Back then, I had already I came out of Canada
and I had been on the Canadian television which was
equivalent to.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Cable station that came out of Vancouver bc TV. No,
it was for al tom Co. Uh, the old Sandra
Kovacs who Senter just passed away. Was his promotion.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I had been on that cable TV station which was
equivalent to Turners TVs years ago. Don't want to cross
across the country. I had been on that Canadian television
for six or eight months as the hockey talk man
doing the jumpsuit with the.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
Black hair, being the bad guy. So all the people
in Canada had had had.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
They had had a taste of me jump start Yeah,
whereas the people in the States, the only people who who.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Even remotely remembered me would have been the people around
in city.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
No.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Actually, because I never did this there. It was Pensacola
Mobile for the Fullers. It was in that section, that
area of the country that they got the first look
at me doing this particular thing.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Then I went to Canada, did it there then.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
I was on that BC TV which is nationwide coast
to coast on Saturday afternoon, and I was over real
strong in Vancouver, so the Canadians had a jump start.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Yeah, who do you think is done more for the
rustling business out of the poor guys? Hogan, Austin Rock
or Flair. Ah, Definitely Hogan, definitely.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
I mean he you know, they can say and I know, uh,
stone Cold, he's living in the Grandeur now. And even
I guess mac mahon even backs it up and says it,
Austin broke broke.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
All of Hogan's records.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I find that hard to believe, because you know, when
you take a guy that was worked for the company
for ten straight years, like Hogan, it's hard to say
that someone came along in four or five years and
broke all his records. At that time, weren't they running
seven days and weeks exactly exactly? And the buildings, the
buildings were just as big. The capital center of Watsington,
d C. Was twenty two thousand, massive square gardens twenty

(48:20):
two thousand. The big arena in Cleveland, Ohio up there
was seated twenty thousand. So it's not that the buildings
got bigger and they sold more more seats that way. Look,
Hogan put ninety three thousand people in a building. Man,
it's hard to break that record. Hogan puts sixty thousand
people at the at the fair Grounds up in Toronto
for a match with him and Paul Arndolf. I don't

(48:44):
know where they come up with that. And even Austin says,
you know he owns all the records.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
I don't know if that's true.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
He might in merchandizing, but Hogan's merchandise was only sold
through mail or to catalog from the office or at
the building. You had to buy ticket to get one
of those, right, Foss and so More T shirts and
Rocky so More T shirts and Hogan. I guess they
did because they were in every store in America, every
store around the world. So when you put it in

(49:13):
that perspective, you say, wow, I broke call Hogan's T
shirt records, what whooped?

Speaker 1 (49:17):
I fucking do?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
I guess you could when you got them in Cears
and Target, walmartin k martin I mean, you go to
Circle kse store.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
You could find those shirts.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
But with Hogan, the only way to get that yellow
T shirt was to buy a ticket or through the
cat through their program where there was a little order
form and you could order when you And I'm not
defending Hogan. I'm not knocking Steve in anyway because you know,

(49:47):
I don't really defend Hogan on a lot of things.
But he changed this business. He changed the way people
look at this business.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Okay, what are you faulting of the whole hearty leader
at scenario?

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Ah, boy boy, don't bring it round when you're women
around the locker room.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
That's all I can say. Because somebody's gonna hit on her.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
I mean, I guess Lee'd like to be hit on
maybe from what I understand, I don't know. I a's
nothing wrong with it to turn it into it. Actually,
it's turned into a pretty good angle.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
I thought you shocked at WF actually like a wort
canter to the internet crowd.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
And went with the angle. I think they really had
they it was it was good business, I think so. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
It was the one time that they probably did listen
to to what the wrestling world was talking about as
opposed to going now we just we just fired this
guy and let him go on about his very way.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Well, I think they did the right thing there.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
That's what they need more of. They need more of
that kind of stuff. I don't think that the way
that Edge and Leader are doing all the kissing and
all that, and I think that it's overkilled.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah, now what they need to do is have her
have an affair with somebody else, ledgend Hardy get together
as a tag team.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
Do you think you know they said be catered to
the internet and morning. Do you think Vince is out
of touch with the little wrestling No, No.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
He's not out of touch at all. Believe me, this
man's got his finger on whatever goes on up there.
And then, no matter what anyone.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Says, he's a home wrestling business. He knows what's going
on there.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
They have always been a company and if you guys
look back in time, they have always done things that
we that we us mortal men out here that's on
the outside looking in, always questioning, go why and they
hell are.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
They doing that?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
That's the silliest shit I've ever seen or heard in
my life.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
But sometimes they do something that's so abstract, so absurd,
and so absolutely nonsense to us, and it worked, and
we go, well, hell, I just he must be the genius.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Any Powfo was a genius, I hope not. Mac man
What are your thoughts on all ECW coming back for
that one night?

Speaker 2 (52:11):
So I think it was just his way of finally
putting the final nail into golf, into the ECW product
and saying, that's it, we'll do this thing. The buyer
rates weren't as great as everybody was saying, I knew
it wouldn't be uh e CW was I ever worked
for him, But they were just they were an extension
of an independent that just ranmore shows and a normal independent.

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They didn't draw hundreds of thousands of people and a
big TV audience, saying they had a small following. H
it was a good place for guys to go and
then perfect their craft, to learn how to work a
little bit in front of crowds.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Other than that, they were no. I mean, they weren't
gonna make a run at Ted Turner. They weren't gonna
make a run at MacMahon. It's kind of like the
Jarrett group.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
I don't think you know, mic Manon really didn't care
about them, right, because if he wanted to squashed them,
you need to put them out of business.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Actually, they're getting a TV with Spake TV. What are
your thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
It'll It'll help them a little bit, but not a
whole lot, because I don't know if you guys have watched.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
It, the product is not very it's not think WW.
It's not good. But then the problem is talent. There's
just an old talent. You know, you got the big
company that's got all the talent if there.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Is any, and you've got this TNA trying to survive
with whatever scraps of talent might be left out there,
and there's just not any new people. It's the new
people you have to have. TNA is not getting new guys.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
And WW is not getting any new guys because there's
none out there. Do you think the novelty of the
Excited Ring is stupid? For it was different? I think
it was okay. You think it's okay, Yeah, it was different.
I don't I see a problem with it. I just
I didn't really watch a lot of their shows. I
saw one, a little bit of one that was done.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
When they did it in Nashville at that building, and
it just was real cheesy, right, And I saw one
little pieces of one they did it was actually it's
back when and then God bless him and I missed
him to death. And last year I wrestled him on
this wild Wood, New Jersey show Christian and Candido. I

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saw it like it was Chris' first or second time in.
I guess it was his first time in because he
got beat by somebody, and I saw a little bit
later on he got he got to win in the
next show. But even at the Universal or wherever they're
felming in Florida, the lighting's better, but it's still it's
so small and so cheesy.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
It just didn't have that big look to it.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
And I think wrestling has still got to be have
that big, that big look on television.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
It might be okay for Spike.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Apparently they didn't want to pay the demands of the
w W. I guess the ratings have a lot to
do with it too. You know, if your ratings aren't there,
you just can't keep charging these guys these big numbers
and say I'm giving you the show and I'll want
part of the commercial time. And when it comes down
to renegotiate, the TV people are kind of they're tough.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
What are your thoughts on the Jim point? That's firing.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
I it wasn't surprising because Jimmy's a great talent and
a great mind. I think he understands the resting business
is probably better than anybody out there right now at
his age level.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
I think Jimmy's around thirty five or forty.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Maybe he was such a student and he's dedicated to
protecting the integrity of the business, and he didn't fit
in with what they were doing. It was just a
matter of time. And Jimmy's how strung about the business.
I knew sooner or later he was snap. But when

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he snaps, he snaps. But he's such a great guy.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
You think Paul Hammond will be gootting down for THEBW
turtory or I don't know what Paul knows about.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
I mean, he's not anywhere here Jimmy Cornett as far
as the wrestling business, I don't think Paul uh. He
took a product and did very well with it for
a while. You know, here's the thing I look at
How smart are you to let your company go out
of business? You obviously did something very wrong. That's the

(56:32):
way I look at it. Unless you unless you can
be a man and say I destroyed the thing because
I was tired of playing with it. I didn't want
it anymore, so I destroyed it. It's the same w
c W scenario. How can all these people say it
was run wrong?

Speaker 1 (56:50):
All you guys are there.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
I mean, if you guys were there, how can Hogan
say was run wrong? He was there, he had creative
control over what he did.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
And listen, the company goes down the tubes. You said,
like last year, you'd be surprised if TNA was even
still around. Do you think the lover of bankrupt? Uh? No,
I think it did.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
They have invested, somebody's got money put into it, and
it'll it'll only be gone when when whoever's got the
money says that's it. I'm cutting the money off here.
So I mean, know, they've survived longer and I thought
they would.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
They really have. It's like I said last year, of
them fired, they'd be around, but they've made it.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
I think if they get past a three or four
or five year of plateau, right, they might be able.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
To continue on. What are your thoughts on TNA? Finally
at the emphasizing Jeff Jarrett off of TV a little.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Bit, Well, you know, I'm sure it didn't sit well
with him maybe, but from what I understand that it
might have been a call from the people that had
the money. It said, look, we're gonna have to try
to change his product a little bit, and you have
to constantly do that. It's not like the old days
where where you know, Jeff worked for his dad down
in Memphis and he was always in and around the

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top matches.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Because people see through it, they still stop watching. You know,
if I was on the.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
TV every week as they're champion every week every week,
if people get tired of listening.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
What was the story with Jared kind of got swept under?
Didn't he get clut in an airport? The hip papers out? Yeah,
I guess he had some paraferna on him. And it's
funny as old.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Man had done an interview about a month before that
or something with Wade Keller or somebody from one of
those prestling torch and said Jeff and never taking any steroids,
never did any drugs, and well, oops, yep, you gotta
be careful sometimes when you start making those kinds of statements.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Any uh think you put any contact with h Jerry
Lawler last year?

Speaker 2 (58:47):
No, none whatsoever or not. I just noticed that he's
he's losing more and more of his hair in.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
The front up there. It's crazy story about his house.
Canna get rods? Yeah? Plus he uh you know, here's
a guy. He he goes out and is this thing.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
It says, Yes, my friend Jackie Fargo told me not
to bring your but not to bring your your wives
or girlfriends into the business.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
And I should have listened to him. And that was
when the cat ran off right right now he's got
his new girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
And him and his new girlfriend his second ex wife
and the co promoter in Memphis. They have a match
against each other. Well, I don't guess he's listening to
old Jackie Fargo by bringing your wifs and girlfriends in
the business.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Now, what's it? Have they ever contacted you to do
the business? Stagia shows down there? I don't you think
about their business? I mean they they do, they do
okay with it?

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Uh No, they're not gonna call me, of course, not
not now. I mean, well, let's never say never. I
think it would be good for them, right, definitely.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
But are you surprised with the numbers and nostalgia company
like that strong? You know it seems to be the
only thing he's drawing nowadays anywhere across America, like in Alabama. Yeah,
did they haven't contact heal? Yeah, I was there.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
I have not.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I did the one for the Terry Gordy memorial, and
then the lady that was running that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
She decided to do these shows and she put one
together up. I don't know how the Dozing one did
that wasn't hers. The one in Birmingham did about eighteen
hundred people.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Was that boutwell? Uh No, she rented over and at
another place to bout wealth and they've not had one there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
It seems that these particular shows do better than the
average independent show. Right taking to Carolinas too, Yeah, yeah,
even so much that the obviously WWE feels the same way.
They brought a bunch of guys back. Somebody said Kamala
was on TV again not long ago.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Yeah, they had them doing the di research. What are
your thoughts on of Dusty like going up to help
out there again? That's you know, must he signed.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
I guess he signed their little contract to do the
DVD s and the movies and the the stuff he
t I yeah, he's done with TNA. I don't see.
I just don't see. You know, Dusty's booking in TNA.
He really didn't help the company. They fired him exactly.
So I guess, Vince, is what I'll show them. I'll

(01:01:21):
take Dusty up here. I'll show them what a real
great talent he really is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
All.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
I'll put him on the creative team so that creative Listen,
there's only one creator up there.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
Do you feel about them bringing into Hollywood Raiders? And like,
pretty much like Marks Onemos, there's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
There's so many guys that's legends in the business that
could be their writing stuff and pitching ideas. Even if
it didn't fly him in to do it, they could
pitch him from from home from the phone that understand
the restling business in the clientele that buy wrestling tickets.

(01:02:03):
The one time I was watching the show and my
wife was there and she just finished watching one of
her soap operas as she tapes and watches it back
in the night, And how they did the cutaway for
the interview, They cut into the interview, and then the
way they cut out is exactly the same way was
they do these soap operas. And I said, that's how
they're doing the wrestling now. She said, what, Yep, that's

(01:02:25):
how they're doing it. One of the best interviews I
guess that's been done in a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
I'm not patting Hogan and Sean Michaels on the back,
but I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Guess the one with Hogan with me and Jeane and
them was one of the best interview segments they had
on TV in years because it was an actual wrestling
interview where the guy was standing there with the microphone
and tell us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
About the match. And he's talking about the match.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
It's not all this goofy staring at each other in
the face and then all of a sudden they walk out.
You're dumbfounded. It's a different way of doing it. I
don't think it's it's appeals for resting fans.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
I don't doesn't that isn't triple each now on the
Ready Team too, I think, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
I'm sure I've heard he was doing some backstage stuff,
helping direct and do things like that, which I mean,
if you're married to the boss's daughter, you need to
learn the part of the business.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Sooner or later you're going to take over. Thanks pretty
Did you do the Legend show on Tampa?

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
No, that guy Rob Rusting. I told him to go
to hell about ten years ago. He probably won't ever
call me. I don't know what happened he fell out.
The last thing I heard he did was remember that
Mark Gaston, oh, the football player. Yeah, he put on
a boxing matching with Gaston o somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
I remember. That was the last time I ever heard
of Rob Russing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
And then all of a sudden he pops back up
with these guys and some guy named sal You say
that I know this guys.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
But they never called Me's so correcting. He's like friends
of like Nikita and all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
They got some little clique going there, that Diamond Dallas
Page and all those guys are doing it and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Do my whole you know, to have a reunion in
the Carolinas.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
I was never wrestled in the Carolina so as far
as the old NWA and the Crocket promotion, so I
wouldn't mean.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
Anything there anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Are you surprised that Ark Bischoff Lesson is long aw Yes,
very much surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
I'm surprised he hadn't had the shit beat out of
it by a whole bunch of guys. But that just
to me that just shows that the guys that were
really really mad at him and always instead they hated
him and all the stuff they said when they left
the other company and came over that then then they
weren't mad enough to confront this guy and say, Okay,
you're an asshole and we don't want you around here.
We're gonna make life miserable for you. Years ago that

(01:04:54):
would have happened. Now, obviously they just tuck their tail
and going about their business. I guess to give Flair's credit,
I guess he didn't have words with Bischoff a few times. Yeah,
so you give him a little credit for having some backbone.
But some of the other guys that said all those
things about Eric Bischoff when they left that company, and

(01:05:15):
then when the Bischoff shows up, they.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Kind of cowered down. Do you think that Monday Raw
is the show and I'm pretty much Smackdowns the b show?
How would you go about changing that? Josh?

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
It's hard to do because of the way the television
set up. Obviously got the SmackDown's sold to who UPN
and the Raw show is going to be sold out
of USA, so they want a total different look, a
totally different product, and that that's what makes it hard.
Who do you pick to go over and be on

(01:05:49):
the other show?

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
Who do you pick?

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
I think they need to do a little bit more
cross promotion and get some more interest. But then the
TV people aren't gonna like that. It's a conflict of interest.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
With television's stations because they want to have the number
one show. Believe me, they want do you pay?

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
People want s Mike Down to be just as strong
in the ratings or stronger than they are with the
raw show.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
And it's a it's a juggling act. That's that's gonna
be hard. It's hard to do when you split the talent.
Do you think it's stupid?

Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
How you know they play each off each other when
everybody knows it's the same company.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Uh yeah, I don't think you should do that. I
think they should let it be known it's the same company.
And you know, build some issues there with guys. You know, hell,
the guys knocking the Smike nown crew and you're a
bunch of b the b leaguers.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
You know, you're not up in the big leagues. This
is the show, this is it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
We're not on this other you know, kind of make
it get guys after you at each other's throats, and
then you get can create interest.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Speak of Mike Tivy, what if we're your thoughts on
the the reality show the UFC shows. I've seen a
little bit of the UFC stuff. It's not bad. And
then I like the way Spike does it. They say
it's something about what is it?

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Roller Derby's not real, wrestling's not real, but this is
real kind of knocking the wrestling show that's eventually gonna
leave them.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
But it's been pretty good. I don't mind. The only
thing I don't like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
About the UFC stuff is sometimes, uh, the matches in
real fast, and sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
There's a lull where they kind of lay around and
there's not a lot of action. It's hard to book. Yeah, shoot,
you don't know. Yeah, well it's not really it's not
really really real too.

Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
Do you think it's sat down? They have a couple
of guys on there. I mean they're like they're crazy looking.
You think it's bad for a company to be on
a national TV show and halfway guys who are kind
of like almost.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Over the edge like a roll fight. Well, I mean yeah,
but I think I think it a little doughy soon.
I don't think everyone should have you know, chopped off hair.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
And little the bodybuilder look either like like you're portrayed
some of these organizations.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Uh, it takes every kind.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
I think the more you can show the public that
that the average joke youn get out here and do
this stuff, the more interest you're gonna have it. It's
the only way to getting new people. If you're looking
at television and you're saying that, well, I can never
go to the WWE. All they got there's a whole
bunch of bodybuilders. Now I'm just now, I'm never gonna
be a bodybuilder. So you hurt your talent pool.

Speaker 4 (01:08:40):
If you think it's sad, or is it good that
HBK and Hogan are the most over people right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Now in the company are getting pushed, Uh, it just
shows that that you got two people that have a
real strong drawing power.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
I don't think if HBK if the show stopped or
the harp Great Kid, if after his long absence, came
back and got into a program with Hogan, it would
mean as much.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
He's been back on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Long enough now to have established himself as as a
legitimate contender. You see, so he's built he's built his
his h his steam and his heat now has been
built over.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
He's been back for what over a year?

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Yeah, has two years on worst, So I mean it
was a case of just re establishing who he was
and what he could do, and he's been fed some
good programs.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
What are your thoughts that the Hogan age became acts
like the mean event at SummerSlam.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
What does that say for the guys with the Turtles. Well,
what it says is.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
These two guys are gonna, Oh, they're gonna show us
how it's supposed to be done, which they were there
last year.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Hogan worked in WrestleMania last year, right, think he was
there one yet my question.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
So it's not a case of Holgan coming in as
this long lost character and taking over a spot from
these guys there. Again, he's been re established. Also, he
spent a year in that company doing different stuff. He's
not been off TV that long. He was back and
doing the WrestleMania and he did the Captain America thing

(01:10:26):
and some more stuff. So, uh, it'd be like if
if the Rock came back next week and got into
a program and they got him ready.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
To be the main event at WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
The guy is still over. What does it say about
the other guys on the card? It says, you guys
are better figure out a way, figure out something that's
gonna make you a cut above that's gonna make the
people look at you and say I want to go
watch this matter with this guy and make the office
the company push you in that position.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Uh, it's just something the other guy's we haven't found yet.
You think Hogan and uh Sean have another total running
them or anything that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Sure, I'm sure sure they could, Yeah, but I don't
see it happening. I hope it's not gonna put in
that time and effort and eventually somebody's gonna have to
do the job. And I'm interested. Who's gonna do the job?

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Yeah? Exactly? In fact, on in fact, on my website,
I have a question.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
We changed the site around a little bit where instead
of the fans asking me questions, I get to ask
them a question and they give me the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
So one of my questions last week was who's gonna
do the job? Exactly? Who's going down in this one?
Hogan or HBK. What are your thoughts of Brett Hartbante
is now for maybe the finish. Obviously, it's not a
U never say to ever Brett.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
You know, I guess Brett's idea was to go back
and then do this DVD project and do this thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
It's because he knew, he knew.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
That they're gonna do this DVD project anyway with him
or without him, and if he wasn't on board, they
were gonna do it like they did The Warrior.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
The self destruction of the Warrior was the guy did
seft destruck. But that's what they're be'st to spend. They're
putting on him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
So, I mean, God only knows what they would have
said about Brett Hart, you know, God only knows what
kind of interviews they would have had of people on there.
They're gonna do the project no matter what. So I
think it was a smart move in his part to
go back and and you know, start to get this
thing settled.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
What are your thoughts on the picture that he did
with Vince, the handshake picture?

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
She well, never seen ever, But it's like I said,
they were gonna do the project either with.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Him or without him, and there Yeah, yeah, I thought
it was uh that wasn't a bad picture, both of
them smiling like nothing ever happen.

Speaker 5 (01:12:56):
What's your opinion of w W after dropping them our
Charactersham and Hassan and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
The level I I don't like. And I can promise
you this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Nobody tells McMahon what to do and this sooner or
later he's going to bring these guys back out whenever
the time is right, because no television executive is going
to tell him who to put on TV and who
not to put on TV. And I don't think it
was right that the TV people said we don't like
these next thing, what if they said we don't like
Hogan anymore, we don't like the bodybuilder guy there, but

(01:13:34):
teas it we don't like him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
You can't have these people from outside telling you who
to book and who not to book.

Speaker 5 (01:13:42):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
I think I don't know if I said it the
last time we talked, but it was always said it
was just a matter of time before they did this
Iran that the sheet gimmick again. Why they waited so long,
I don't know, and I knew they were going to.
They have to because it's the only it's the hot
button issue right now. We're in the entertainment business. All
we're doing is putting entertainment out there.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
It's it's no slap on the Irans, the Iraqis. It's
no slap on the US troops or anything. I think
the troops would have loved it. They would have loved
us seeing Sergeant Slaughter come running out there, you know,
and have the iron sheet managing the guy. You know,
get some real heat. But it's such a hot button
issue right now. It was too hot for the public.

(01:14:26):
Too bad, Too bad because somebody said there was those
guys were the were the bulletproof gimmick?

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Yeah, they better be. Somebody would have killed them. What
are your thoughts on of brock leather? Anything will be back?
Uh eventually? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
They the WW never likes for someone to walk out
of that that business, out of their company on their
own terms.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
When you leave there, they won't. It has to be
them pushing you down the steps with in the wheelchair.
Are you rolling yourself away on your own? What are
your thoughts on road war animal attorney?

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
That was a That was a good one because they
had this big show planned in Puerto Rico, These guys
from Queens, New York.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Oh yeah, it was Shyrock and they had a big
show planned down there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
They flew all these guys down to the big press
conference shot at an angle where the barbarian and the
warlord through animal road wary animal through a table and
had the ambulance come take him away, and the road
wary animal, I guess, is kind of helping Hi book
the whole thing. Then all of a sudden, he's gone.
He's back on TV and the show never happened in
Puerto Rico. They blamed it on the weather. The weather

(01:15:40):
had nothing to do with it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
I heard the guy I lost thirty grand before it
ever started. Wow, what are your thoughts on Jean? Since
he's character at all, He's done a real good job
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
I knew Jene a couple of years ago. I was
on a USO tour with him and he was doing
the Patriot thing there and he's he's pretty talented.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
I saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
He's he's a big kid too. He's six four six
five two sixty two seventy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
He's done real good with it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
I think he can take it a little bit further
and kick it up a notch. He's gonna have to
if he's gonna be a major player.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
I don't know what else they can do with Kane.
Kane's done a wonderful job doing all this stuff he's done.
Just I don't know what else they can do with him.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Speaking of guys like he'd been on top for so long,
are you shocked that Undertakers still on top?

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Yeah, in a way.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
I never thought it would last that long. But he's
He's obviously done something right to the right people.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
I don't know if he.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Still has the ability to be a main event player
and draw on top. It's hard to say you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
Think Vince respects anybody that's ever worked from Like, who's
the one guy you think Vince actually respects the most?

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Gosh worker wise, respect coming from up there? If, I
don't know if there's such a word, I think it's
only a temporary thing they use.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
You know, I respect you, I really like you. Fire
that son of a bitch. You don't think there's anybody
that mintilates at all? I don't, you know. That's hard
to say.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
I've never been in his mind where I know whether
he likes me or not. There again, that's a handshake.
You better be watching out for you know, back to
the Undertaker. I think if you, I think you should
have maybe try Hogan or Undertaker and Hogan see how
that plays out. The Shawn Michaels sayings, Okay, Shawn's just

(01:17:37):
too small to be in the ring with Hogan. Just
too small, really, I think Hogan Hogan, it's a bigger guy. Yeah,
and it should have been an Undertaker of Kane or something.
I guess Jan's a good guy now, you know, Undertaker
could have turned bad and came back. I like to
see the big guys go at it as opposed to
seeing Hogan in with the smaller guys.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Hogan had a match with the Kurt Angle the other night. Yeah,
that had to be.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
A you know, looking at it on TV because Curse
not of a tall guy anyway, and he's definitely not
on steroids, so Hogan had to just just tower above him.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
What are your thoughting on Jake when he did the
one thing on the Randy word.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
H Well, Jake had just got back to the country.
He had just been arrested twice in one day. I heard.
I heard that the people that this is rob rusting
these guys. I don't know if Russell was involved, at
that point at that point. But the people that put
on the Legends thing in Tampa put up to ten
grand for the bail money or something. Whether that's true

(01:18:40):
or not, I don't know. They put up to ten
grand for the bail money. And Jake got out of
jail and came up and did that Jake need the
hip surgery. So I heard he goes back to McMahon.
Does that thing signs back on?

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
Who knows?

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Maybe the office paid for the hip surgery in lieu
of Jake doing a few things for the office.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
I wouldn't think Jake had health insurance or something would
take care of an operation like that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Did you like all the carlettle clown character at all?
Do you think it's just a rip off of razormone?

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Uh, It's okay, it's different. Uh the hairstyles what makes him?

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Yeah, exactly, you know there there's something just that just
the hairstyle along makes him different from the other guys there.
And it's getting him recognized and getting him noticed. And uh,
he does a pretty good job.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
He's not he's not really polished yet. He's not the
greatest of all time. Huh. What's your opinion of his
father and jo you worked out there. Uh, Jovika, I
never really particularly cared about it. I just knew that,
you know, Jovika was Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
I don't know what he did with the money. He
just sure didn't give it to me. But Carlos was okay,
he was fine. I had a lot of good matches
with Carlos and drew a lot of money there with them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Right where does he wrestling gone? Do you think there's
any big dream matches left? Could be there? Yeah? I
think he's decent.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Like I said, the Undertaker Hogan would be good, Austin
Hogan would. No.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
I don't know. Flair has been on TV too much.
That's so that takes away from him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
He's kind of he's kind of in the in the
same predicament as a lot of guys there that's on
on uh on contract. It's just too much TV. He's
been on way too much. And I don't think he
would bring that special kick to the table. I don't
know who who could you bring out of the woodwork nowadays?

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Thought's on Flair.

Speaker 5 (01:20:38):
I guess he still does like all the house shows, works,
the matches and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
He obviously loves what he's doing. I mean or he
needs the dough.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
It's it's easy money for him because he goes out
and does what he wants to do. And uh uh,
just just the traveling on the road, that's all he's
ever done. So that part's not hard. Could you know
a lot of guys that all the roads hard?

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
This is no, it's not. It's what we do. The
hard part is.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
Having to go out here and struggle on an independence
show with some kids you've never seen before, these muscle
let me weigh three hundred pounds. That's the hard part
in a really horrible ring, Yeah, in a horrible ring
and horrible situation.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Have you seen anybody on the any scene that's called
your eye at all?

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
Not?

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Nothing? Not in the last year, So in the last
two years, really you've seen seeing Punk's work at all?
Or I know it haven'ts I haven't seen him.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Uh, I haven't seen anybody in Europe the Europeans, the
English and the Europeans are the same as here the States.
I've just not seen the Canadians the same way. There's
just not any really good boys around.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
What are your thoughts on the ultimate worry of being
a pope speaker?

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Ah, boy, he knows how to get some heat.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Oh yeah, what with that? I forget. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
I gets to made some comments about home sectional thing. Yeah, yeah,
that's yeah, he's you have to. I think if you
read some of his interviews, especially the ones he's done
about the WWE and about MacMahon and some of those
things that's happened behind the scenes stuff, you get a

(01:22:15):
better understanding of him his public speaking.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
I've not listened to one of his speeches. What he
speaks about, Uh, I know, just can't go out and
do it like a wrestling interview. I think sometimes he
gets really wound up, start screaming aloud, yelling I got
along well with uh with Warrior.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Have you ever run in on him out?

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
One time we had a show and uh he was
on in Las Vegas and something happened that he split the.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Guy and have the money or something. Did. Did you
ever see uh Sting's new video?

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
Sure about it. No, not how it came about or
anything I've heard. I heard how she's up born again
in the video and it was like the little things
see listen, I don't know this born again business. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
I'm just don't get me started on this religion thing. Now,
what glory Vince Russo, boy Cornette had nothing good to
say about him. Yeah, old brother Vince Russo found the
Lord after he's destroyed a lot of stuff in our business.
Here's a guy who was a flash in the pan

(01:23:24):
that came out of nowhere, fucked everything up, and now
he's found God. Because there's probably so many people gonna
beat the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Shit out of him literally. You know, he never says anything.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
About the Hogan deal other than yeah, Hogan was part
of it and it was all happening. But he never
said nothing about the settlement it was settled, or he's
still being.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Sued or found. I found God and I'm a change man.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
So maybe they want to inflict so much monetary damages
on me for what I did to Hogan.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
You know, that's nothing wrong with going out calling somebody
an old ball headed son of a bitch.

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
Do you think with the majority of the resource with
this little born again, do you think it's just a
combound or it's just a ps.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Well, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Desperate men do desperate things, and if they can find work,
if they have to toe the Bible to do it.
That's the nature of the wrestlers. That's the nature of
these boys and girls. I guess Luna's Luna's even doing
it now, she's.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
On the on the tour. Can I be born again? Well,
if they were real men of God, they try to
burn me again. I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
They did call me when they came out to Phoenix
for their gathering. Now, not a dbs's crew called me,
but the guy that actually put it on. He called
and invited me to come down. But I was booked
and going out of towns. I'm not ready for that nonsense.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
I still I still like to do stuff like anybody
else that gets into restling business or sports entertainment business.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
I my little vices, you know that I do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
I can get a little bottle of whiskey or wine
or beer, you know, and smoke a little marijuana on
the side here and there, snort a little coke, hit
the crack pipe with Jake Roberts.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
Look at the girls, you know, wish I could do
the things they used to do. Do you think bringing
religion into wrestling, I mean, religion has a place wrestling
as in the place. Do you think it's just kind of.
I don't know what the word.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
I don't think the two go together at all. I
don't think that even there's I mean, why even why
even put the two? Why don't you if you want
to be an evangelists go out be an evangelists? Don't
Why don't we just set up a fifty yard football field.
I go out there and play football and then talk
about religion. You know, let's have a baseball game and
we're all born again baseball players, and we're gonna play

(01:25:51):
on Sunday afternoon and take up a collection, and then
we're gonna talk about religion.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
I don't know where the wrestling park come into it,
or how it came into it, or why do you
maybe be closed promoting it's tax free and well, well,
of course, of course there's a lot a lot of
tax free nonsense with that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
I don't know that that's one that's always slipped through
the cracks with with our government. You know, they pick
on some people with taxes and fees and and licenses
and other people can fly on the radar screen.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
But that's a whole other issue. Believe me, I promise
you this sooner or later. MacMahon is gonna tap into
that religious angle because he's got them all working there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
You got anna road warrior animal, he's born again with
the with Ted DVS.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
He got DVS. He there. You got to.

Speaker 6 (01:26:42):
Sean And I.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Don't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
I don't think they've converted him. Uh who else is
behind the scenes over there walking with their Bibles?

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
Whatever he did his rehab thing and came out of
it and just living a low profile. What's your opinion
of the guy who's spotlight there now? Johnny's Terry Funk's
got nothing good to say about that boy. He don't
like him for some reason.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Y'all have to You have to get Terry in the
car and let him talk about Johnny Ace. You know,
I don't know where Johnny Ah got all this power.
Here's a guy who never who never really worked in
the in the States, who never drew any serious money,
who got to Japan and wrestled over there, which I mean,

(01:27:35):
who's to say Japan was easier or harder to work
than anywhere else?

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
And working in.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Japan and working in Japan has nothing to do with it.
All he did as far as booking over there was
bring over American guys. That's not really booking. Uh does
he know anything about talent? He obviously did a little
fucking thing about me because he don't. You don't call
me on the phone, Johnny Ace and leave a message
telling me that don't squander way an opportunity like Chabo

(01:28:01):
Greer and I saw Chavo since last time I talk
to you, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
I saw Chavo and I said, yeah, let me tell
you what this Johnny As did. He calls me up
and he.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Says, leave a message on my phone, and I let
Demolition Acts listen to the message.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
I said, come here, you gotta listen this shit. You're
not gonna believe it. Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Johnny As is saying, yeah, we got this. So you
have this opportunity to come in. It might turn out
to be something I wouldn't. I would hate to see
you squander why in opportunity? I never met this guy
in my life, but he'd hate to see me squanderway
a opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Who the hell is he?

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
He doesn't know me, He doesn't know anything about me.
How does he know what I'm squandering away? Why don't
you tell me what I'm squandering away? Then? Mister Talent Relations,
tell me you're squading away one hundred and fifty thousand
dollars contract. You're squandering away a million bucks. We got
a GRT here on the table, Come and sign it. Ah,
I fuck, he didn't say that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
I'd hate to see you squander way an opportunity like Chavo.
Greer did what's and Chabo said, what the fuck I
gotta do with it?

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
I said, yeah, I ain't seen Chawood fifteen years, and
this is what I have to talk to him about.
Johnny A's calling and telling me he'd hate to see
me squander away an opportunity like Javo.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Where do you What do you think he wanted you
to do?

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
They wanted me to come up, put that Randy Art
all over on that deal, fly up to Winnipeg, put
him over in a short three minutes class match.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
But what was the Here's the question I'm asking, what
was the opportunity that I squandered away?

Speaker 6 (01:29:29):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
So he tells Bushwhacker Luke. He tells Bushwhacker Luke down
in Puerto Rico and go down there and run a show.
I guess bushwickers everybody. He used to just Johnny used
to be the flag bear Florida anyway. And Bushwicker, I
guess Bushwacker asked him about calling me, and he says, yeah, Yeah,
we had big plans for him. We had a lot,

(01:29:50):
We had a lot of things go ahead, a lot
of good stuff we're gonna do with him.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
He just didn't want to. He didn't call us back,
didn't want to do it. I said, that's bullshit. Look,
they didn't say anything about plans.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
They say, we got a three minute squash match and
winn a peck and they pay you five hundred bucks.
I tell him to blow me, right, I made more
than I don't pick your money for Christ's sakes, But
you know, don't tell somebody else. But I squandered away
something and they had big plans. What if you've got
plans for me? If RF videos got big plans for me,

(01:30:21):
I'm sure you're gonna tell me.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Listen, we got some.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Big plans for this thing. You're not gonna say, oh,
you're missing a great opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
Right, You're gonna tell you what it is, yeah, or
or to tell me. I'd hate to see you squander
it away. And I've never met you before in my life?

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Why does he give a shit what I squander away?
So that's my deal with Jihanny's. Maybe y'all send him
a copy of this.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
He listen to what guys you still talk to in
the business.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
If I talk to Luke Bushwhacker periodically not as much
as we used to, uh, Tom Brandy periodically.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Other than that earthquake, I don't. We'll send me an email.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Good.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
He's in remission right now from what I understand.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
In fact, I just sent him an email a couple
of days ago because I'm going to Cloverdale, British Columby,
which is real close. I was in that town the
first night I ever met him, when he was like
nineteen years old. So I sent himn email let him
know I'm going up there see some of his old friends.
Hopefully he'll write me back and let me know. But
the last I heard was he was in remission. He

(01:31:29):
had a spot on his lawn, a lung cancer type thing,
and the last I heard he went back to the
doctor and the doctor said if they didn't know where
to look, they wouldn't have seen anything.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
So he's happy about that. Hey, you see that, That's
what happened. Huh. Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:31:53):
You think the business is better off in nineteen ninety five,
or you think it's gonna be better off in year
twenty fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Hi, it's hard to say it was. In such cycles,
it might stay down for three, four, five years. It
can stay down ten years. It might bounce back and
be bigger and better than ever.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
That's that's a funny thing about really sports and entertainment.
And I say sports because the resting part of it
has it, doesn't You have to there's this is a
certain element of sports involved. But when you look at
sports on the pro level, on the amateur level, sometimes

(01:32:33):
we win gold medals, sometimes we don't. We might go
years without a gold medal and certain events and then
we start to dominate.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
H entertainment, you don't know when you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Make that one hundred million dollar movie if if it's
even gonna break even, if it's gonna go skyrocket to
the moon.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
You just you don't know. And in the resting business
is such a fickle industry, you just don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
It's such a it's such a crapshoot that you've got
to be absolutely insane to promote it, you know, And
I never got along with promoters because I knew what
they did, right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
But their job is to promote. Their job is to
give me one dollar and them to take twenty. That's
their deal, and that's why I never got along with them.
But they got a lot bigger balls than me because
they actually did go out and promote, and that is
a crapshoot. I just told a promoter the other day

(01:33:28):
he says.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Yeah, I'm trying to do this and i' vept pumping
all this.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
Money into this thing and I hope it works, and said,
you know, you'd probably be better off in Vegas with
your money. You stand a better chance of winning. Where
will it be at twenty fifteen. I hope I'm still
around doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
Have you heard anything on to turn starting off?

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
No? That was I think that was a That was
a Hogan fart and wind. I think that was one
of them Hogan rumors. I'm not sure of Hoping was
behind that.

Speaker 5 (01:33:56):
But the.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Old Hawkster knows how to play those behind the scene
games too.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
It's well documented that he's a uh, he's a real
player in the locker room.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
Maybe four or five years ago, I guess they had
that Jimmy Horn Company in Tampa.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Yeah, I went model without no No. I called them
the I call that the Coke League. All right, they
have some leposes and yeah they had a big.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
Office and they all were They run like West Texas
and I like, yeah, yeah, they real brilliant. Really, now,
who could they Who could they blame on the demise
of that company and that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
I saw Valentine the other night.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
First time I see Valentine about a year, and he
coached the Bible to you know, he said, he says
he doesn't try to drink.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Or curse lie anymore. I said, well, you don't have
to have the Bible to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Just stop doing it anyway, I said, I said, who
do you blame from the downfall of that company?

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
I was just running real bad. These guys they were
putting everybody on contract.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
Well who was doing it? You guys were involved.

Speaker 2 (01:35:07):
It's it was the same old W c W scenario.
They want to all blame each other. You know, this
guy was in charge and this guy didn't want to
do this. This guy wanted a bigger office than this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:19):
Come on, what that Hogan showed that they had was
it sacks? Right? Ryan Dobbs. Did you ever have any
run ins with the Nasty Boys? And not really, No,
not really. They they were always okay with me. Uh,
they got in they were.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
Part of that XWF they were running that show. Why
they went to West Texas and those places like that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
I mean, nobody can draw there, Nobody people there. It's
in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. They they had a
big cart fifty thousand dollars later for the for the
Poyson or everything. Well, yeah, everybody there was on making
five grand. You think a guy like Phil Wats could

(01:36:05):
uh for today's w W or.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Now, Nah, his his his time had come and gone.
With the way you did business, you can't. You can't
be a bully anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
You can't.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
You can't go in streaming and cursing at people because
society has changed, the wrestlers have changed.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
There's a lot of women working there now, there's all this,
there's there's a.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Ton of equal rights and lawsuits and get over Yeah,
you gotta you gotta really be careful. Now ww's gotten
away with a lostuff a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
That they probably.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Shouldn't be able to get away with, behind the scenes
locker room stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
But I just don't know how you how you fix it.
I don't know how you fix it.

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