🎾 JIM CORNETTE'S YOUSHOOT #09 UNCENSORED: The Tennis Racket's MOST BRUTAL Rants! 💥

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, all right, it's another you shoot and only the

(00:24):
bravest in the business will do it.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
I guess you qualify because you're here.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
I'm not brave, I'm stupid, provocative, brave one are the
other age people will go where brave.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
People fear to tread. And I am here back with
KPEX commentaries. Valorie, stupidity is that's a fine line, another
big deal here. All right, we're here with the deaf
mute junior. Let's get started right away. We had about
three or four times. Do you imagine? Tell me we're
going to watch porn on this? Oh?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
What's up there? Is that voodal recognize that in the
early days is where we will start.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
And Matt Farmer, courtesy of k Fade Memories says, I
really enjoyed Jim's commentary on the Wrestling Gold Series. If
you remember, but Jim was a huge fan of wrestling
as a kid, worked on his newsletters, took pictures, travels,
tons of shows.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I would like to hear about this period in his life.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
What were some of his favorite towns to attend as
a fan, some of his favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Wrestlers to watch?

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Also talk about the involvement in the tape, trading, newsletters, scene,
rating the matches with the Star system, his work with
Norm Newley on the newsletter et cetera, Take it off.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
He misspelled et cetera. But we won't worry about that. Well.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Obviously, when I was a wrestling fan, it was the seventies,
you know, and there was no.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Internet, there was no national television.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
It was all territories, wrestling magazines how you heard about people.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
And when I started taking pictures in seventy six or whatever,
it was still it was a real.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Communication was very primitive, and I remember that in the
Memphis territory.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Just to give an example, the.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Same matches in Louisville at the Louisville Gardens on Tuesday night,
with the same results would be presented at Evans, Indiana,
one hundred and thirty miles down the road on Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Night, and nobody knew. You could change the title in
every town in the territory every.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Night, and nobody would know except the people that saw
the you know, every once while somebody go on summer
vacation and go to the matches in Memphis and those
people were scarred for life. But I love going to
the Louisville Gardens. I was there every Tuesday night of
my life from nineteen seventy four to the time I
got into business in.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Nineteen eighty two, and then I started getting booked there.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Lexington rupp Arena, I got to go to the Omni
in Atlanta. I went to the Mid South Colisseum starting
in seventy seven when Jerry Jarrett took over the promotion
from Nick Goulas, and he is his first big supercar
double made event Jack Briscoe versus Jerry Lawler for the
Southern title and Harley Race and Rocky Johnson for the
NWA title, and I went down shot pictures which I
still have, you know, just all of the Southern wrestling.

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My one disheartening thing was I always wanted to go
to Cincinnati Gardens because from the time I was like
nine or two, and see why I would plan my
family vacations around the wrestling shows. If I want to
see my at Lola and Uncle Tommy in Covington, Kentucky,
that's right across the river from Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
So I got to see the Sheik show. So we're
talking of the Sheik and Bobo.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
And Mighty Igor and you know, they always pluged Cincinnati Gardens.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Cincinnati Gardens, you got to be there.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Well, Cincinnati Gardens was twenty five miles away, even in
a bad neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Even then, so I couldn't get my mom and my
aunt and everybody to go. And finally my mom said, well,
I'll take you. And is nineteen seventy.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Five by this point, Well, I didn't know that the
peak of the Sheik's territory was seventy one, seventy two,
seventy three. It's Abdullah the butcher versus the Sheikh, as
a matter of fact, And there's three hundred.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
People in the Cincinnati Gards and I was just disheartened.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
But then also got to go to the Expo Center
Indianapolis because Bruisers Territory, which cost through the state of Indiana.
Once again, Indianapolis was on fire in the early seventies.
When I first started watching the TV on Channel four
for Bloomington, when Channel three in Louisville would go off
the air, you know you could get Channel four in right,
And so then later on when.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Up jacked up the big antenna on top of the house.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
The story has been written everywhere I could get Bruisers
TV and from Indianapolis, Sheik's TV from Cincinnati, the jareded
Show obviously, the Memphis Show.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
From Louisville, and Nick Goolas from Bowling Green Except Center.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
So finally, around nineteen seventy five against Joe, see a
Bruisers show at the Expo Center, but the peak of
Bruiser's territory had been seventy four, so it was still
there was starting people there. Well, I saw a bunch
because Indianapolis was easier to go to, but I remember
I got to see Bruiser and Crusher against the Bounty
Hunters in the.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
It was a lumberjack match, but they had some other
kind of name.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
For it, the beer Drinker's Brawl, where everybody had the
bowler hats on leg at the bar. But I did
see at the Market Square Arena the Big Building the
Christmas Spectacular with Chik against Bruiser after they had settled
the promotional war, and she brings out the snake like
this is new shit, right with Jake.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
She brings this snake out.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
It's going to be a ten foot snake, and he
cleared the entire section of ring.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Side out because everybody was convinced that this guy was
a madman, and I mean there were grown men leaping
over chairs.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
But it was even It was even more panic than
in the Louisville Gardens when we took my aunt Lola
bless her to see the show one night, and the
wrestling Bear was there, Gentleman Ben the Wrestling Bear. So
here comes Nick Adams leading gentlemen Ben the Wrestling Bear
down the aisle, and we looked around and there was
ain't Lola as far down the other aisle. She jumped

(05:35):
up and run off, and a guy sitting next to
her took off with her. Whether anyway, I loved going
to all those towns when I was a fan because
you got to see different wrestlers, different territories, different promotions,
different styles. Back up now there were more newsletters. Question
was the newsletters. The newsletters started out as fan club
bulletins because every wrestler that stayed in a particular territory

(05:57):
for a period of time, you know, had their own
fan clubs. And Georgi n Micropolis had the Brunos, Samartino
and Buddy Rogers fan club.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
So I joined all of them, not necessarily that I was.
I joined the paprom Rallies fan club.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
But not necessarily that I was a that was you then,
oh yeah, exactly of all these people. But I wanted
all the newsletters because the newsletters had results and from.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
All over the world.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
It had pictures and blah blah blah. So I joined
all that and then where they got with with Norman Dooley,
my friend Norman Dooley and uh and I haven't seen
him in years doing it where we lost touches as
I've moved away. But he was a big fan in Louisville,
and he actually he lived across the river in southern Indiana,
so he got TBS before we ever even had cable available.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
To us, because it's a different state, different deal.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
So I would go over on Saturday nights to his
house and watch Georgia Championship Wrestling, the Free Birds, the
you know, the pile Driver angle and with dbis. And
then he got Madison Square Garden cable network. So and
then we found out that the Madison Square Garden shows
are gonna be available on cave.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
We can watch them in our own home.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
And we're thinking, oh my god, because that we've read
the magazines, right, but this was before videotape.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
You had never seen these people. So boy, I got
over there early that Monday night. We sit down and
my God is going to be Bob Beckland versus I
can't even remember who in this whole Madison Square Garden card.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
And we got the bowl of potato chips, we got
the popcorn, we.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Got the soft drinks, and we're watching, and we're watching,
and we're watching, and at the end of the night
we turned and looked each other.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
This was supposed to the Madison Square Garden, the Mecca
of wrestling. Every wrestling show every Tuesday night at the
Louisville Gardens in Louisville, Kentucky was more exciting, bloodier, wilder,
and better matches than the Mecca of wrestling.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
It almost it almost led.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Us to inflict self harm on ourselves. You know, we
were like because there was a balloon popped. But Norman
Dooley started sending out the results of the Louisville matches
and the spot shows up around a louis Larry because
I remember we were going to three show it was a
week and didn't have to drive more one hundred miles
to go three shows a week live. He would do

(08:06):
a newsletter and not even a newsletter. He just mima mimeograph.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
That's well, it was back then. Xocks is outdated two
dito machine whatever.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
A big legal sized piece of paper, and he'd type
up and he started giving his opinions on the matches.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
And he was a witty, funny guy, and he kind
of knocked things here and there. He'd put this over
Terry Funk and.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Jerry Lawler was great, and you know, Chief Ja Strongbow
not so much whatever. And one day I'm talking to
him on the phone and this probably will get me
tons of heat.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
But you know what, I'm old, I'm almost retired. I
don't give a shit who likes it. I said in Norman,
because he said this up to like thirty five or
forty people. Because you would trade programs, you would trade results,
you would trade clippings from the news, you know, newspapers.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
All the wrestling fans because there was no Internet and
there was no organized society and no wrestling stores, they'd
do it themselves. As a Norman get to the point
of this story too late, I said, you ought to.
I'm reading the TV guid while I'm talking to him,
and he said yeah, And I went to you know,
because he used to go to Saint Louis Lot. His
mom would take him to Saint Louis BA. Nobody had
a driver's license back then.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
By the way, I said, Norman, I've reading the TV guy.
I said, what you.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Ought to do is you ought to rate these matches
like the TV guide does the movies.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Right, give it one start.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Instead of saying, all crummy match or great match or
good match or whatever, just give it stars.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
I'm jacking off. I don't think he's going to do this.
So with the next letter he put, he rated them stars.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
And then as he sent those out over the next
several weeks, and people started saying, yeah, we really like that.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Now we've got some type of you know. And but
then it just took off.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
And it got rid and Meltzer started doing it and
it went It was ridiculous. And I mean, wrestling, like
art or music, is subjective.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
What you like might not necessarily be what I like.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
And that's I mean, you know, I've seen some of
my favorite movies, the movie Four Rooms, Quentin Tarantino thing
with Tim Roffin on the cable.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I think it's one star. I happen to think it's
the funniest movie you ever made. So but still now
and then who also, who among you have the right?

Speaker 3 (10:09):
You think you have the right and the knowledge to
rate these matches by stars? Only Norman Dooley had that
knowledge that right, man, you are usurpers to the to
the Norman call him Weasel Dooley. His newsletter was Weasel's
World of Wrestling because he had the glasses and he
looked a little bit like John Denver.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
But we mean, you.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Know anyway, So that was the first question. I guess
now we're out of time.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Yeah, Jim, if we're doing ten minutes, you're gonna be
here for a couple of weeks. You've better call car
Restclassics dot com. How is Memphis during the photography days
where the guy's cool to you? How well was kfe
kept in the more gimmicky style that they used at
the time.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Okay, the guys were all great. Well, there's a few
exceptions where's always an sob in every crowd, But no,
the guys were great.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
They were making money off my pictures because we sold
them at the souvenir stand. They got publicity, so naturally,
you know, Plus Christine Jarrett had given me the blessing
to be at ringside, so that was all you needed.
Kay Fabe was weird because well, first of all, I
was never allowed in the locker room until my first

(11:12):
day at Memphis TV. Because I was never only then
it doesn't matter when you were a photographer or whatever.
In the Memphis territory, people on the cart, wrestler's referees
and anybody in the office got in the locker room.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Cops didn't get in the locker room. And Pat Malone
was sitting in Louisville in Memphis.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Pat Malone, the Green Shadow, the toughest old timer in
the world, was sitting at the locker room.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
To make sure that a door, to make sure nobody,
you know, snuck back there.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
And I remember one time there was a big metal
folding door at the back of the louisvill Gardens and
it was a track on the top.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
But not on the bottom.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
It kind of swung and as I'm walking back after
the show, suddenly I see a guy fly into that
thing bam and knock it out at a huge noise,
and he rolled all the way to the wall and
Pat Malone flings the thing opens out. I told you
to stay out of the locker room. The guys could not,
like Troy Graham the dream Machine and Bobby Fulton, who

(12:06):
were close friends of mine that before I got in
the business, because they used to ride with us, and
and and you know, I would then when I got
in the business, I'd bring Troy up to Louisville with
me because he lived in Memphis. We were making the trip.
Before I got in the business, they would they would
acknowledge that I was smart. But most of the guys
and and of course Lawler would tell me things that
I needed to know, where places I.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Needed to be to get pictures or whatever. But no,
they didn't say anything to me, and I didn't tell
them I was smart. As a matter of fact, the
first day that Jerry Jared asked me, do you want
to be a manager?

Speaker 3 (12:37):
He said, my mother telled and I'd never told Christine
jareded I was smart, but she knew because I mean
I saw her three days a week. She stayed at
the house and was friends with my mom. But Jerry
Jared said, my mother tells me.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
You're smart to our business. And I'm like, oh shit, because.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Now either either I'm gonna say yes, he's gonna say fine,
fuck it, get out of here, or I'm gonna say
no and he's gonna think I'm an idiot, or I'm
gonna say.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
I don't didn't know what to say and finally said, well, yes,
good because i'd like to see if you want to
be at my Oh thank god, but no, you did
you know.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
K fabe was strictly in forced, which was better for everybody.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
The State Athletic Commissioner Pat Malone would have thrown him
out if he'd tried to go in the locker room,
you know, any different different times and the more gimmicky
style that they actually Nick O'curtesy of Wrestling Classics, what
can be more gimmicky than what you're seeing right now
on television? Actually, Memphis wrestling in the nineteen seventies and

(13:36):
eighties looks like the UFC compared to the fucking horse
tripe you're looking at on fucking television need days. So
not to knock your question or anything, SJK two thousand and five.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Curtesy of fw on line dot com wants us to
ask Jim which was a bigger indication that you derived
your first paycheck, first fight with a fan, or first
rat Wait, have rapped where.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
I rapped in wrestling, Yeah, first paycheck, first fight with
a fan, or first rat.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Well, actually, I think it was my first day on
television just because I'm sitting there and the guys are
cooling me because I've known them all for years.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
But now I'm actually at Channel five. The first time
I heard the term.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
High spot was when I was in the locker room
at Channel five Television.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Ready to do my first TV Because people didn't talk smart.
There was no Internet. The newsletters were KFA newsletters.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
The old wrestling Fans convention, you know, when all the
fans would come from a Wrestling Fans International Association.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
They'd come from all over the place, you know, to
the host.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
City and see, you know, the shows in that place.
And some of the fans were smart, some of the
fans weren't. So the fans that were smart would kind
of feel the other ones out, and if they weren't smart,
then they cafae them because the fan they.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Want smart o smart other people up.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
So anyway, back to the question, when I'm at Memphis
Television and I'm hearing all these words that I don't
know what the fuck they mean, but now I can
tell by context, either the snow's falling off the roof, or.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
We're next to the way, we're at airport or something.
My first paycheck was fifty dollars.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
I managed Dutch Mantel against Jerry Lawler for the Southern
title in the main event at the no I said,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
That was my second paycheck.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
First one was a Cook Convention Center match that was
fifty dollars. The second one Southern Title managed Dutch Mantel
versus Jerry Lawler.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
At mid South Colosseum. That was seventy five seventy five months. Yeah,
so I didn't think.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
I'd arrived anywhere at that, but I was pleased to
do it because I would have done.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
It for free. First fight with a fan was in Evansville, Indiana.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Me and Jimmy Hart had a handicap match against some
baby face baby Terry Taylor Coco Ware, can't remember who,
and somehow or another they didn't beat me and Jimmy
up bad enough because then some drunk guy from Evansville
came and took a swing at me and thankfully missed
me and didn't hit Jimmy and the first rat we

(15:53):
won't go into because actually I wasn't even in the
business yet.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
We won't go there. But Greg Pink, did you enjoy
working with Jyd? Yes, very much. Jag, especially in mid
South JWD he was the king of the territory. They
it was like Lawler in Memphis, or like Vernon in
Minneapolis or Crusher in Milwaukee. He was the guy and
he was a great, great promo at the time, his

(16:16):
work was never the best, but at.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
The same time people believed anyone. This was when he
was really in shape. And also he was a great guy,
you know, And we never had a lick of trouble and.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
I always I always liked j y D personally professionally.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
What Braddykin's from online World Wrestling dot Com You have
any specific memories of Hercules and.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
He was her bodyguard, protecting you from Haxodug.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Hercules Hernandez was a great, great guy. And what's the
funniest I can tell He saved my life in Houston.
We've done a deal where I got my head shaped right,
and so I was wearing a mask and at the
end of the of every match that I would manage
HRK against Hacksaw Duggan, Dugan would somehow pop my mask
off so people see me with bald hair.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
And then we'd dragged the mask back and run off.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Well, as I grabbed the mask and we're running down
the aisle, some fans snatches.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
It and takes off down like the fourth row Ringside
into it, and.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
I'm I lost my head because I'm thinking it's my
only mask and I've run and I catched the guy
and grabbed me my kicking into balls and snatched the
mask back.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
And I look around.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
I am in the middle of Ringside, and I see
knives coming out and people were tying the hangman's nooses
and pulling out you know, had to look that way. Actually,
they were going to beat the shit out of me.
All of a sudden, here comes a gal over my
head at Air's hercules and grabbed me up under his
arm and with one hand was carrying me in.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
With the other hand was pie Face and fans until
we got out.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Of Ringside, And there were another time he had doctor Death.
We're a tag heel tagged team and Homa Louisiana. They
beat up Ringside everybody as the people. For some reason,
the people came.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
In formation like syncredized swimming or something as we're going
down the aisleway. They came in reverse order.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
The people that were on the end of the first
row started then the second row, than the third row.
So I've got Doc's football helmet and I'm backing up
behind Doctor Death and Hercules and people are flying and
I'm just every time somebody kind of pitched their bit
with the football helmet and we get back to the
locker room, they've threw fifteen people out of the way.
He had Doc and Herk beat up a bar in

(18:20):
Alexandria one night. Pee wee Anderson the referee jumps up
on the bar and rips his shirt off starts doing
the Hulk Hogan post while Doc and Herk beat up
twelve guys. But my favorite Hercules are nandas story coming
back from Jackson, Mississippi. It was probably I guess it
was November, so it'd got down to like freezing at
night down there, so it's cold.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
And I'm driving by myself because i'd come from interviews.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
They've been that express had come from somewhere else, so
we're all headed back to Alexandria.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
And Hirk lived in Alexandria too, and at the time.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
His girlfriend can't remember her name, but she traveled with him,
and also they had like two or three cats.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Then traveled in the back seat. He had one of
those old big you know, link In or Cadillac. What
big long car. You know you had to pay two
parking meters.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
So anyway, I'm driving down the road and all of
a sudden I look up in here, he says, big
long car and the door, the driver door is open
and it's driving down the It wasn't even emergency's lane.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
This wasn't an interstate. It was just a fucking pull
off lane. And the door's not open like normally, it's
opened at a complete perpendicular ninety degree angle. And what
the fuck it? As I pull up, I rolled down
my window on that said, it's Hirk and his girlfriend
and the cats. Heirk, is there a problem? What's going on? Oh,

(19:37):
Jimmy pulls over. He Jimmy sus.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
I needed to take a piss soushed up and started
to get out, and a truck came.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Along and whapped the door. He said, if I hadn't
have been holding on to it, it might have taken the
whole thing off. So he just continues to drive. He
just drove that way.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Yeah, whether it was one o'clock in the morning in
the middle of Mississippi, what are you gonna do. But
just the fact that he was holding onto the door
and that's the best the truck could do to me
indicate that was hurt.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
He I well, another story, did I tell this story
of the last one? Maybe not. Hurt's doing a run
in and baton rouge. It's Centriplex, and me and Crusher.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Darso Khrushchev, Barry Darso, Demolition whichever name.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
Are standing back watching. It's bush reading somebody. Hurt's going
to run in and attack the baby face.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
And as he gets down the allway it's always happened
to the rings that allway. He gets almost to the
to the to the barricade to jump over, and some
guy comes out and tackles him around the waist to
keep him from going in and hurting a baby face.
So he just want me like that, you know, into
the ring. The cops bring the guy back and they
sit him in a chair. So me and Darsa are

(20:45):
here looking out the door and it's a two swinging
door thing and centri Plex, and over there the one
plain clothes cop is sitting with the guy who now
realizes he's going to be arrested, and Darsa just looked
at him and said, I'd hit you, but I can't
possibly hit you as hard as he's gonna hit you when.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
He comes back here. And sure enough, as soon as
hurt was done, he comes in.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
He busts through those those swinging doors like John Wayne
going into the saloon. And the guy stood up about
to say I'm sure sorry, or whatever the fuck's gonna
say it hurt open hand slap came around like this,
caughy right up under there. I saw the guy's feet
leave the ground. He was this far from the wall.

(21:25):
His head flies into the concrete wall, smack, and then.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
He dropped smack, So it was like smack, smack, smack, boom.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
And he's laying there like that and he's done one slap.
So now the bells ringing me into an express.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Gotta go wrestle, So we step over the fucking guy,
go to the ring, have a twenty minute match. Come back.
The guy's laying in the exact same position. The cops
are standing around him, and you hear the ambulance siren.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
You're right there, coming to Piggy Munt and card him out.
I go to Hurk, I said, hurt, Why did you
just slap him if you were that mad?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
He said, Oh, Jimmy's buddy fished you that hurt him.

Speaker 6 (22:03):
Hercules, a guitar dude figure four wrestling, your famous, your
favorite almost got killed in Louis Oh Christ.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Well, there were a bunch of different riots and things
going on where the cops were were fighting with us
on our side.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Well a couple of times they weren't exactly on our side.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
But even though it's a big fight and people are
hitting you in you're whacking people with shit.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
And I tried mace.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
But that didn't work because there was it was never
one person coming at you. It was a mob coming
at you, and you would you're you couldn't direct it.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
So then I started carrying a chain in my pocket
that I.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Could whip out, and it was taped up. You don't know,
those dog chains, but heavy enough. I quacked somebody and
get them off of you. Then I started loading the racket.
But in the buildings you always had cops and they
were fighting too, whether it be with the sticks or whatever.
We got the Tulsa Police Force kicked out of doing
Tulsa City Police kicked out of doing security for wrestling

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matches because the internal affairs investigated because one time we
had to write so bad when they night sticked a
bunch of the people and took them to jail.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
One guy was the son of a highway patrolman and
causing problem.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
But in the building, even though all this shit was
going on, you had cops with you, so you're thinking, like,
maybe I'm.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Not going to get killed.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I mean, I had the bullet through vest that I
got from the cops in Little Rock for Tulsa and
Little Rocks sometimes and shit, because I didn't think they
shoot me, but they said it would help with.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Knives you can get cut, which that was a real comfort.
You know.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
The cop came up to me and said, we just
got new vests, you know, so if you'd like, you know,
to buy my used one, because you know, we don't
think they're going to shoot you.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
But these were his words. But knifing is a concern here.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Great, okay, But probably even though we had more physical
damage in some of these other fucking deals, the time
where we probably could have got killed the quick was
Homa Louisiana, which is so far down our Cajun girls
selling merchandise couldn't understand what the people were saying, right,

(24:07):
And it's just a horrible place south of New Orleans.
You've got to go north to get south it. So anyway,
me and Dennis Contrey are leaving. Bobby Eaton was riding
with Bill Dundee that night.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
So we're leaving it and we're in my car and as
we're putting our stuff in the trunk out back of the.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Building, here was twelve twelve Cajuns that had had a
few cocktails incided they didn't like the Midnight Express, and
this shit started happening real quick.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
We're trying to get out. I got the boombox.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
We had to carry our own boombox because we were
the only people that had music back then, us and dogs.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
So we had to carry our own shit with us.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
So I'm putting the boombox that got the tennis, right, get,
I got my suit bag, Dennis guy's wrestling bags were
throwing it into the trunk.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
This guy comes up and says something to Dennis.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
He's got all his buddies with him, and so he
wants to prove a point he's gonna fuck with the big.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Time wrestler, blah blah blads and you know, show off
front of his buddies. And Dennis say, you know, be
in the personal kay and said something like fuck you, motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
So the guy had an unopened beer can and he
did like, he chucked it at Dennis, and Dennis ducked it.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Grabbed his wrists, barred his arm, put him down in
the concrete, kicked him in the face. His friends didn't
like that.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Here they come. I'm standing there with a tennis racket
and Dennis. There's twelve of them. I got Dennis Condrey.
I figure if there was six, I'd be fine, but
there's fucking twelve.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Here we go. We're dead. The Rock and Roll.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Expressed down the parking lot, fucking turned their car on,
saw this, hit the bright lights, and drove into the
crowd of fans, where they went ah, and we jumped
the car and fucking took off.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
So that, I mean, who knows. I have no idea
of how we did not get serious. Robby Gibson to
the rescue again. I think Ricky was driving. No, I'm sorry,
he usually sells. Alex gotf Curtesy A fifty four online.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Why do you think the Midnights weren't given a run
with one erics?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
We have thought about that, you know, Dennis at one
point had heard that Fritz said, all those those guys
are too small to work with my boys.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
But they Bobby and Done us physically looked as.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Impressive, or more so than Gino, Hernettas and Chris Adams.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
You know, I don't know whether we actually.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
We gave our notice first night in to world Class
because we have been scheduled to go to work for Crockett,
and because when they told us we were finishing up
in mid South, we didn't really you know, they didn't
say we're going to book you anywhere else. So we
Dusty and Flair had both asked us, and we want
to come work for Crockett.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
So I called Crockett, made the deal, We got a
start date.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
This is explained in the book Midnut Express and Jim
Cornett twenty fifth Anniversary scrap book available at Jim Cornett
dot com.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
But anyway, so we went over, we looked at it.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
We said, well, it's not as big a talent roster
they don't.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Have, you know, even though they had the syndicated television.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
They don't have the you know, TBS at Central like
Crockett does.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
So we gave our notice and then Dundee.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Calls, oh, wats really wants you to go to Dallas
because then you can come back for the super Dome,
can come back to Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
City and Tulsa, Okay.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
So then we rescinded our notice and you know, told
Krockett we'd come later, which we did.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Maybe they were upset about that. Maybe it was the
fact and I.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Think this was probably the majority of it, that Geno
and Chris had homesteaded. And you know what homesteady, Okay,
when you homesteaded a territory, basically you either went into
a territory and you liked it so much, or they
liked you so much, or you did such great business,
or you just kissed so much ass. All of those

(27:35):
apply that you moved there that became your home. You
homesteaded the territory. You did not leave. You did everything
you could to keep your spot right there because it
was more convenient or more money, or more satisfying or whatever.
So Gino and Chris had homestead of the van Erics.
I mean they shadowed him, you know. It was Carrie

(27:55):
versus Geno, and Kevin versus Chris or vice versa or
in tag matches, and then one man Gang was there
with Gary Hart, and Gary was even.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
He could not understand.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
I talked to him a couple of years ago with
through Charlotte Convission, Me and Dennis both were like, why
didn't you have guys ever get a run with the
Van Erks. Don't know Gary because he was not in
the booking office at that point, but he was managed
a one man gang, you know.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
With Gerry we were there six months.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
We worked with the Fantastics for six months, and Bobby Fulton,
Tommy Rodgers are. They were a great team and the
matches were much better we'd had with the Van Erks,
but the money wasn't and Bobby and Tommy didn't have
any control over that. If we had a four match card,
in which all those Fox shows were, you would go

(28:41):
a single match, a captain's match, which meant one of
the tag team guys would wrestle a single then the
one of the Von Erics versus either Geno or Chris
or Gang in the main event, and then the tag
match on last. Even though the main event with the
baner Rex got made event money, then.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
The tag matches on last. So that means too for.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Ten referee twelve guys on a card, we'd do sixteen
eighteen thousand dollars and we'd get two hundre two hundred
and fifty bucks, but the main event would get five
or six or seven, and sometimes it'd be fifteen minutes
from the house.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
So the point is the difference in what.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
We were getting in the tag team program over the
tag team toddles with the Fantastics and.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
What the guys who worked with the von Erics were getting.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Was the difference between the fifty grand a year we
were going to make if we stayed there and the
one hundred grand a year the guys like the free
Birds made. And after six months we said it ain't
going no where. We've had four matches with the van Erics.
We're going to work for Crockett. At the closing straw
was the check from Texas Stadium, which I reproduced in

(29:45):
the Jim Cortnett at Midnight Express twenty fifth anniversary scrapbook
available at Jim Quartet dot com.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Basically, it was if we were in the tag team
title match.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
The America taged America's Tag team title match in Texas Stadium,
twenty seven thousand.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
People, quarter of a million dollars. Gag. We got eleven
hundred dollars a piece. We got together.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Jimmy, Jimmy Crockett made that express.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Calling, and we gave our notice and left. We couldn't
wait anymore. It was a paid vacation, you know whatever.
Rockmynn was Fritz Vyern really as cheap as they said
he was, actually, you know, I I the territory was.
I can't say Fritz was cheap. The territory was run
on a shoe string, because it had always been run
on a shoe string.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
And then suddenly, you know, Gary Hard.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
As is told in his book, manipulated the freebirds in
von Ericks Angle and it exploded like nobody ever dreamed
it would.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
And actually the territory got too big for the infrastructure.
There was no way that.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
This this office with six full time employees, and that
had always been used to running this sportatorium on Friday in.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Fort Worth on Monday in the spot shows.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Now they're running the Cotton Bowl in Texas Stadium and
selling out.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
You know, reunion arena. They did.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
They didn't realize it was going to get that high,
and then once it got that hot, they couldn't really
follow up on.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
It because after you had the free Birds and butter
X for two years.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Every night and you know, twice a week in the Metroplex,
they couldn't follow it. So it started getting smaller again,
and then you know, then we know what happened from there.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Okay, w CW unmistakable. Jimmy was Big Mama from Stark
eighty five. Really Jimmy Dayan's wife slash girlfriend. Are they
still together?

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (31:29):
And no, Felicia Big Mama was Felicia and they are
not still together. Jimmy has been married. I guess she's
about twenty years.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Now or so to a very very nice woman named Angel.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
I don't know where Felicia is. They were together for
some time. Don't know where she is now. And I
stay out of other people's marital situations, so I.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Will leave it at that. Very good.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Justin and Erica was making fun of David Crockett on
WW A lot. Sometime around Chrismas nineteen eighty six, you
came out for an interview segment, as was the norm
at that time with a piece of paper and sold
Crockett that it was an enrollment in the Columbia Broadcasting
School and suggested he make use I was so.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Said when I just pointed at any one time said
see what happens when the fetus doesn't get enough oxygen?
It was I like David, and David was just he
He was so I don't.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Want to use the word pompous with his on it.
He had to be a baby face then David. I'd
say that David.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Had to be a baby face to the point of
not wanting to back up or even act like he
was offended by the heels at everything.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
And I used to blister him because he just standing
and you can tell he's kind of burden. And some
of his commentary, like what.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
It was the was it the Superstars on the first
TBS special Superstars on the Superstation?

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Now there? I think?

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Was it Ronnie Garvin and Rick Flair on that one?
And Garvin grabs Flair.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
He does the old deal where he twists his nose.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Like that and slaps it and David's like he's got
him by the hunker, or when when Riggy Morton had
the belt who was about.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
To whip me. Waban whip me like a dog. He
had to be so baby facing. It was just so
easy to stick David.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
One time we're at TBS and he got really hot
at me because this was right when.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
It was Gosh, it was. It was either when.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
Madonna and Sean Penn had broken up or when Joan
Collins and her husband.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Peter Home had broken up. Because I used to try
to push it a little bit.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
See what I could say on TBS back when you
couldn't cuss or say anything out of the way I wrestling,
I said, I said, sweet Stan Lane the gangster of love.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
He's the women's path that men's regret. I said.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
For example, Madonna and Sean Penn broke up, sweet Stand
could be Madonna's next Shawn. Joan Collins and Peter Holme
broke up. Sweet Stand could be Joan Collins next Peter.
You never know what my David's Oh you can't say that,
I said to Christian Names. David Christian Names, I used
to say this edgy shit, and he'd come back. You
can't say that they're gonna kick us off the air.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
I'm totally Toldy in.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
His excellent I thot gets on the world of wrestling.
What are your thoughts on Lex Luger when he started out.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
In the business, then at the height of his success. Lastly,
what do you think of Lex Now? I always got
along with Package. You know he was Lex.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Lex was never a wrestling fan, uh for his eyes.
Sat next to him one time on a plane.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
We were in first class. He got a first.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Class ticket and I used my frequent Flyer thirty dollars
upgrade and we're sitting next to each other and just
for conversation, I said, Package, I said, you know you
used to play football in Memphis.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Did you ever watch the Memphis Wrestling Show?

Speaker 3 (34:33):
He said, well, it used to be on, you know,
when we'd come back from practice on Saturday morning wear
but I never watched wrestling.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
He didn't realize how he came off sometimes to some people.
He wasn't. He was a very educated guy, and you know,
the total package. He was educated. He had the body
and the genetics and everything. He didn't realize that he
came off some some like superior sometimes because I said
what would you have done? It?

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Just for fun and giggles, I said, what would you
have done if you'd had to work in Memphis for
at that time, the late eighties, you know it, guys
were making three hundred bucks a week there.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
The big money had been previously and he said, I
wouldn't have done that.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Well, I understood, I didn't have a problem with it,
but a lot of times he would say, oh, I
wouldn't have done that.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
Was to a guy who was doing that. Why are
you fucking better than me?

Speaker 3 (35:14):
So I think the thing that hurt Lex in the
business was that he was so intelligent and so good
looking and had them. When had a big contract, the
first big contract the crocod Ever gave out, he came
off as aloof to the people and like he really
didn't mean what he was saying because he wasn't a

(35:35):
wrestling fan, He wasn't into the business. He just didn't
have the emotion that you would have if you like Flair,
who loved the business and and bled and sweat and
everything that breathed and slept the business.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Lex just didn't connect with people. He seemed like he
was kind of above them, but he would fund it.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
One time, we're we're driving to someplace at WCW show
with Bobby Standard of back, I'm driving and Lex is
in the front seat, and we stopped at Wendy's and
Le's got like a baked potato, right, I got to
triple extra cheese, extra mayo.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
The grease is down to man, I'm fucking prouding, I'm
none on this thing. And he's looking at me like.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
I got a steaming turred hanging out of my mouth
and he's I said.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Package, how long has it been since you've had a cheeseburger?

Speaker 3 (36:19):
He said, well, Jimmy had some French fries about six
months ago. I said, your body was just going to
some kind of anaphylactic shock.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
If you fucking you know.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
But as in one of these days that you know,
I guess cholesterol will catch up with me.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
And by the way, it finally did. I'm almost fifty,
but you know, it's only two of three. But we
got to stop these things before they get too far.
But anyway, lex I like lex I.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Saw him last a couple of years ago at the
Charlotte Convention. He's had a lot of health problems and I.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
He had so many health problems you couldn't you couldn't
connect it to steroids or any one thing, like, you know,
he didn't take a ton of bumps, but he did
take bumps over the years, but you know, not to
that extent, but he I mean, he had the perilous
paralyzation from the compressed thing of what.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
I'm not tried, not his doctor, but I it's sad
to see a guy who was so physically impressive be
sidelined like that. But I understand he's a happier guy personally.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Now, okay, so on know, biros boy, he's really trying
to hurt. It takes me an hour and a half
to watch sixty minutes. How do you make a watch again?
Who is a better partner for Bobby and Dennis Condrey
or Stanley? Oh, you fucking troublemaker. It's gotta be there.
It's gotta be there, you know.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Well see, I'm not trying to pick my favorite children,
and I'll try to make this as brief as possible
so I.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Can drone on about the fucking rest of the questions.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
I think that Dennis Condrey was a better heel. I
think that stan Lane was a flashier worker. I think
that Bobby and Dennis Conree were better for mid South Wrestling,
and for the early time.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
That we were working with the NWA, but when we were.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Positioned as the top tag team that had to get
heat and had to draw money. Dennis Condrey's work, There's
never been anybody work anything like him. He was so precise,
no wasted motion, everything crisp. He was in the right
place to right time. He never made a false step.
But at the same time, when Stan.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Came along, that's when pay per view came along and the.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
National television and the main event matches on TV.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
And Stan's a pretty motherfucker, no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
I mean, you know, Stan Lane is a good looking
guy and just tremendous genetics and looks nowhere near his
age even today. So he was flash here for that
for when we didn't need to get.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
So much heat, when it was about having it.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Dennis and Bobby had great matches too, but they concentrate
on getting heat and selling tickets. With Stan, we were
put in a position where we were to have the
great match of the show and with the other great
tag team. So whether it be the rock and roll
of the fantastic of Tully and Arn or you know, whatever,
Stant and Bobby got a chance to develop more teamwork.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
And plus there's more.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
Evidence of them on tape because in the early days
with Dennis the house shows weren't.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Taped, so anyway, for the time, each one were best
for there.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Well, it's true, it's true. I'm not trying to weeze
a lot of anything. Greeting next to skypchron myay on Earth?

Speaker 4 (39:24):
Was Star eight eighty seven moved from Georgia to fucking Chicago?
And why was the entire show of flop? Given the
talent book. The entire show was horrible and had such
great talent. It's one of those so bad it's good shows.
But seriously, what aft of the hood?

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Well, Star K eighty seven was moved from actually from
Greensboro and Georgia. Eighty five and eighty six had been
half in Atlanta Omni half in Greensboro Coliseum. Originally was
a Greensboro show entirely, but then they did the close
circuit thing Boom of boom.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
But it's Star K eighty seven.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Well, Crockett had just purchased the UWF and he had
snapped up Kansas South, I think Florida and Kansas City
at that point, and Vince was expanding, and WrestleMania three
had been on pay per view. And the point is
they went to Jim Crockett and sold him on the
idea that here's Vince McMahon coming from New York City
and we're coming from Greensboro.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Nobody knows where Greensboro is or Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
We need to be in a big, major market, metropolitan
media area. So we were selling out in Chicago, sold
out like nine straight shows at the UFC Pavilion. So
they moved Stark to Chicago because it was going to
be on pay per view. Well, as everybody knows that,
I'm not going to try to answer a question by
giving the entire twenty years.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Past history of wrestling. Vince fucked Stark eighty.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Seven by coming up with the Survivor series and telling
people of the cable companies, if you carry the NWA
pay per view, you.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Can't have WrestleMania.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
So everybody went back on their fucking promise except for
five cable companies. So they went from doing sixteen thousand
people in Atlanta and three hundred and seven thousand dollars
the year before and twenty thousand people and three hundred
and eighty thousand dollars in Greensboro the year before.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
For the same show, the same night of Plug They Club.
They sold out the Greensboro Coliseum in eighty six and
close circuited to the building next door. That's how big
it was.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
So they went from a live gate of six hundred
and seven thousand dollars and two sellouts plus closed circuit
audience to a sellout in Chicago of one hundred and
eighty thousand dollars and five.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Cable companies caring paper meet.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
And to be quite honest, our payoff for star K
eighty seven was the same as for star K eighty
six because we had another scaffold match with the Rock
and Roll Express that didn't go nearly as good as
with the Road Warriers. Not because of the scaffold matches
of the shits. It wasn't a Rock and Roll's fault.
They had seen it. You shouldn't see another one.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
For quite a while.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
We saw another one a year later, and the whole
thing just fell in a fucking hole, basically is what
the problem was. So Chicago was great town, but we
didn't need to leave Greensboro in Atlanta for Chicago for.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
The big media market.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Didn't work anyway, and that was the start of Vins
fucking up the deal. So then that's what led to
Against WrestleMania, the first TBS Clash of Champions.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Live, and we took away some people.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
From Vince and had the flair, had the match where
he made sting the following March, and then the.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Cable companies all got together and said, fuck you guys,
you're costing us money. Don't run against each other.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
Greg Pike, did Animal really babysit Hawk over the years?

Speaker 2 (42:27):
No, now that.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Hawkhad his issues, but I think actually, if you went
to Fraid Paul Ellery probably took care of both of
them better than any things.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
I can't really you know, I.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
Can't go good Rich Eldridge, pro wrestling historian.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
He very proudly posts.

Speaker 4 (42:45):
Jim, how do you think Crockett and Dusty should have
and could have handled Crockett purchasing UWF Cowboy Gobs.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Well, it's much the same as the Guest Booker The
Excellent Guest Booker with Jim Cornett DVD, which is available
from Kfafcommentaries dot com.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Is there anything that doesn't own it yet? I can't
imagine it being the case.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Actually, I think there's some Bolivian peasants that have yet
to you know, they once again, there was some great
talent there. The UWF territory had a problem because of
the financial situation that leda was to sell crock in
first place, the oil bust in his core territory. He
had tried to expand his syndication, but the talent was

(43:25):
still excellent. Doctor Desty Williams, Terry Taylor. I thought Ted
Dibiassi was still there. I believe that's when he took
off and went up north, if they had been presented
as equal threats to the Crockett guy, as he would.
But I'm more surprised that Dusty didn't go into a

(43:46):
big invasion angle than I am that Vince didn't, because
Vince is a fucking pompous and everybody that works for
him they think that the only thing that's ever been
done well in wrestling was done there. Elsewise he didn't count.
But Dusty knew a lot of these guys, He knew
the territories, he knew the situation. Yeah, I wasn't in
the office then, so I don't know, but it surprised me.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Steve Jordan Wauler on wrestling historians. Do you think do
you think the work that wrestling historians do to preserve
history is worthwhile? Or do you agree with Bruce Mitchel
that real historians don't just stop with finding all newspaper
clippings and match results.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Well, I never agree with Bruce Mitchell on anything, including
the fact that he's still breathing. However, having said that, no,
real historians don't just stop with finding old.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Newspaper clippings and match results.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
But you know, nobody said that they did, or at
least I haven't heard it. I think that, you know,
the book on the National Wrestling Alliance by Tim Hornbacker
is one of my favorite books because here's a guy
from outside the business who did his homework and did
his research and.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Drew a compelling picture of the way.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
That wrestling was organized, wrestling was formed, and the way
that the NWA was formed. And I think there are
books like that out there, just like they're shitty books.
So you know, you got to find one guy that
did his homework and and got down and got the stories,
and and then other times people, oh, here's a clipping
from Osh Gosh in nineteen fifty six, Little Crushers.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
In the main event. Well, you know, did you talk
about rus Mitchell for another skipped over? You skipped over Lylelsado?
I saw that that. Well, what it's the uh? Do
you have any Ron Dixon?

Speaker 7 (45:26):
Right?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Do you have any memory stories in nightmares about learning
the ropes? Do you remember it? We can refresh your
memory here. Well, no, I remember it. I remember it.
Stan Lane was on that show. Are you gonna show
this clip? We just watching it? Yeah, yeah, I got
well take that off. No, what it was?

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Lylel Zado played a school teacher who moonlighted as a wrestler, right,
and they made a deal with with Crockett to provide talent.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Uh and and I guess it was on TBS. I guess.
But anyway, you know some of.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
The guys they would pick, and they never picked them.
We didn't want to do it because they shot somewhere
in fucking Canada, so on our day off if we
had a day off, either that or we'd be booked
off of a show and we'd be sent all the
way to fucking Canada to be in a sitcom, which
at the time a we thought, well, this makes wrestling
look phony.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Obviously, we don't want to be a part of that.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
I've always hated the idea of having television shows about
wrestlers that show behind the scenes, because invariably they make
the fucking business look phony.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
And it was a lot more bigger deal there than
it is now and out here we are talking about it.
But also the paint was like five hundred bucks and.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
We were making more than that wrestling shows ninety miles
from the fucking house, rather going to Canada to expose
the business in a fucking situation comedy that wasn't very
fucking good.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
But they had stay in on it one time, but
I don't even remember why. But we weren't asked and
we weren't really missing it, no problem, Courtney Marshall.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
Do you think that Crockett was going out of business
in nineteen eight when arn and Tully left?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Why did they leave in the first place? Oh, God,
this would be a long one.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
We actually we thought Crockett was going out of business
more in March of eighty eight than we did in
September of eighty eight when when they left. Wrestling's cycle
and houses were down the latter part of eighty seven.
In the first three or four five months of eighty
eight business was rotten, and I detail in my book

(47:24):
Jim Cornet in Express twenty fifth availab Ladder book available
at Jim Cornett dot com. I tell what we were making,
the matches, what they were drawing. But the point is
business was down and we had no opponents. That's why
we brought the fantastics in. We begged Dusty and he said, okay,
we'll do it, to bring in Bobby Fault and Tommy
Rodgers because we had gone several months with no opponents.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
So anyway, then we had great matches in the ring,
and we still had to worry about drawing money.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
And Dusty put a hell of an eighty eight Great
American Bash together and we went all across the country.
The eighty eight Bashes were the most extensive tour they
ever did, and we did big business that and then
shot the angle with Tully and Arn for the world
tag team titles.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
So the double main event going around everywhere was Flair
versus Luger.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
I'm going to rematch off the eighty eight Bash in
Baltimore and Tully and Arn versus the Midnight Express match
had never happened for the tag title. We actually did
better houses in some of the cities than the Great
American Bash did. We did one hundred and fifteen grand
I want to say, in Richmond, Virginia for the Bash, and.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Came into September to one hundred and forty sold the
place out.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
The houses had come up so much in these new
matches that David and Jackie Crockett were trying to talk
Jimmy out of selling to begin with, but it had
gone too far and it was already ready to go.
And the reason why Tully and arn left is because
as they were doing due diligence to buy the company,
TBS conducted supposedly confidential interviews where well, what do you

(48:54):
think ought to be done?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
And Tully, of course, being.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Fucking non political motherfuckery, was at the times just knocked
Dusty fifteen ways from Sunday, and of course the TBS
people immediately tall.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Dusty Dusty ban Tuteley off. The fucking plane ron got hot,
you know, Crocket's private.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Playing, and then the Jabbroni jet and the and the
the Falcon jet was the real nice one.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
That's where the nine top.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Guys Jimmy Crockett flew off right Then the JIBBRONI jet
the the the Gulf Stream with the propellers.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
That's where the red. That was more fun because you
had rooms stand up.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Anyway, Tully and darn came in that night in Philadelphia, gave.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Their notice and we're dropping the belts to the Midnight Express.
That's why that match got set you a fucking.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Response because the people saw us win the belts. And
if you watch the tape back, which also the video
is available at Jim Courtett dot com, uh, I got
sort of well, I had, I had friends and stands
with Camquarders.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
What can I say?

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Then a lot of the eighty six title matches are
there also, go to Jim Courtett dot com you'll find
out all about it. But anyway, the people popped, but
then they thought, okay, it would be a reverse decision.
And then when we actually left the ring with the belts,
he started getting bigger.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
And that's what got us over in.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Philadelphia's babyfaces because they just wow, it was something they.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
Weren't supposed to see. Brad Dykins asked, did you do
you ever have nightmares about the dynamic dud?

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Oh? Gee, you know Shane wants bad, but that fucking
left foot Laurinidis. Let me tell you something not I
Actually the dudes didn't give me nightmares. We've managed to
forget the matches. But then somehow Laura and Iidas came
back in a reincarnation to inflict misery on the entire
world of wrestling. And actually, my bigger nightmares are about

(50:35):
the ship that he did to Ohio Valley Wrestling in
Louisville on the on the way to completely destroying and
demolishing the WWE developmental program anywhere and completely destroying their
chances of finding training and fostering future talent. All goes
on John Laurnidis's back because he's a big, lying sack

(50:58):
of shit.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Hi John, fuck you. Adam prassing off of New Orleans.
Louison asks, as despised as Jim heard, was do you
know of any good ribs that were pulled on? Well?

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Actually no, you don't rib people unless you like them,
or unless it's some fucking annoying fuck.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
That you really don't like and you can get away
with it.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
He didn't fit either category because nobody liked him, But
at the same point he had a position of power.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
But when I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
What the milestone was, but I was living in Knoxville,
because I remember making the phone called one eight hundred
flowers or whatever from my office downstairs. So it was
in ninety two, right before he left. He was fixed
to leave, because he left in ninety two, so he
was fixed to quit. And they reached some milestone where
some house or was so rotten, or some pay per

(51:50):
view was nobody washed, or some rating was so minuscule
that I just called up one eight hundred flowers and
sent him a bouquet at able, the CNN said in Atlanta,
a bouquet of dead black roses with a card that said,
our deepest sympathies on the death of your wrestling promotion.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Jim Cornett and Stanley Well. Then Jim Ross. Later on
I talked to him and he said, what happened was
they evidently delivered the flag that the car just said, Jim,
our deepest sympathies. They delivered the flowers to fucking hurt right.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
He came in, got hot, picked him up, carried him
down the fucking hallway and put him on Jim Ross's desk.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Jim Ross comes in, sees him, reads the card. No,
I would send him something like that.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
So he picks heat and then he figures out whatever
he picked him, carried him back down to fucking heard,
put him on URD's desk again. Uh No, there were
no good ribs with her. He wasn't He had no
sense of humor, he had no sense.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Nobody liked him, nobody cared.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
They just the way I wanted to give my my
resignate Coude. We knew we were gonna quit w CW.
We talked about I fantasized about it in the car.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I'd almost get a heart on.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
For the last year I was with w CW, I
was booking Smoking Mountain Wrestling in my head.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
You know, we talked about it. I talk with Bobby
as stand back.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
And forth, and the original plan was to take the
midnight with me, but you know we did.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
We thought we'd let the contract expire.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
We didn't know Stan and I were gonna quit, and
that whole that old story is detailing them. But anyway,
I want to give my notice this way, I said
to Jim Hurd, I want to fucking walk in with
a starter pistol, a blank gun and kick his fucking
door open and fire.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Five shots at him.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
And that's why I'm gonna quit, And Bobby brought me
back out of it because he said, Corny, as many
people as this guy has fucked around, he's probably got
a real loaded wood in his fucking top desk drawer.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
And I said, hell yeah, okay. But I then.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
For a brief moment, I thought, maybe I'll just take
a little one first, because I wondered to but I'd
rather put my thumbs just in his eye sockets and
just do it that way.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
I know.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
We had to bullproof vest from Louisianana slick Chris full
River thoughts of paul E and w c W.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
We had a ball. I still like Taman then.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
The guys, even thought we hated each other, that didn't
come till later. You know, it was great to work
with because everybody said, number one, you couldn't.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Be a babyface manager. Well, so when people say never
to me, I like to do that shit. So I say,
well I did it.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
And I told Paulie one time, I said, You're the
only human being in the world could have turned me babyface.
You could turn Kingis Khan fucking baby face.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Nobody can like you. And at least I've been there longer,
so here it comes this New York motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
And I mean, I know, I'm in a room full
of Yankees, but people in Atlanta eight people.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
From New York and probably vice versa.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
So here was this obnoxious, you know, Yankee against the fuck.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
I may be a prick, but I was there.

Speaker 7 (54:37):
Prick.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
I've been around a while, and so you know, the
whole time we were in w c W together, it
was great, especially the the infamous tuxedo match where PAULI
were those fucking baby blue with white little shorts and everything.
But the only problem was when we had that match
the night before we were in Philly, and I jumped

(55:00):
off the ring to avoid Terry Gordy throwing a table into.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
The ring, and I fucking twisted my bad knee at
the time, which this was the bad one. Now this
is the bad one.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
So it's swollen up, and I said, I'm thinking, oh fuck,
We're limited enough as it is. I'm not a great
wrestler or a great athlete, but I'm the only person
in the world can blow Paul Lee up because he's
worse off than I am. And we got to be
on pay per view, and now I've got a bad
leg so I said, get with the phone, throw the
powder in my face, and when I'm blind, work on
my bad leg with the phone so that I can

(55:31):
limp for the rest of the match.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
And you know, we'll work it into the match.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
If you go back and watch the tape, it's the
nineteen ninety Baltimore Great American Bash pay per view, you
will see we've been sitting like this, right across from
each other for the previous hour, talking about what we're
gonna do, and I'm saying, now we're going to.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
New blah blah blah. He immediately goes to work on
the wrong knee, and you see me trying to pull
him over in my other knee, and I'm pulling him
by I'm laying this leg out and he's going back
there and I'm like that, damn it. Finally he just
starts beating the fuck out of both of my fucking legs.
It was. It didn't come off anywhere nearly as bad
as it should have. Considered who was in it.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
I'll say that Greig fight biggest NWA Slash WCW paid
Star K eighty six was ten grand, Star K eighty
seven was ten grand.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Those were the biggest ones.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
I knew we were in trouble when WCW two we
were used to have five grand for Star K eighty
five when basically the big show of the year that
was our payoff.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Like I said, eighty seven didn't deserve it.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
I think they just were ashamed that they set us
up on a scaffold for nothing. But when WCW took
over and all of a sudden, the pay per views
got full coverage all the cable systems instead of just these.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Closed circuit starcades.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
Fuck, the biggest fucking check we got for a WCW
pay per view was three thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
We knew then we were in trouble.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Of course, we were on guaranteed money and they were
making none. Because but see I looked at it like
it wasn't our fucking fault to.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Company ain't making any money, because it's.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
Not the fault of the wrestlers who were drawing sellouts
and rich or wherever the three months, but two months
before they bought the company, it was the fault of
the people running.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
It, because in the book it is detailed. I when
he mentioned the book or.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Where to get it, we went from doing record houses
in some places in September of nineteen eighty eight. They
bought the company in October of nineteen eighty eight. By
February of nineteen eighty nine, Greensboro was down to fucking
twelve thousand dollars gates.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
It was, it just fell apart.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Part of it was Tully and Arn that took the
took the emotion, took the took kind of the foundation
to break up.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
The horsemen took the foundation out of the NW way.
But they they hired people. It had no fucking clue.
They booked buildings on the wrong nights.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
They made the television show look like a fucking game show,
the ding dongs, all the other things.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
It just it was an uphill battle from it Spoken
Mountain to Joe Boy Kurzy rest of the classics. I
I bet that's Davids. I know David.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Answered this question for me back in ninety two when
Smoking Mountains on Chattanooga TV. They never ran in Chattanooga,
even the promos saying that we're gonna run a card there.
I think Chattooga would have given them another good, bigger
city to hold semi regular cars that tennesseee Hey, Jim
Williamson wants to know why the hell didn't smoke you
come to Chattanooga.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
We tried, and actually I didn't even know I'd never
answered this question for David.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
We wanted to clear television, and there was a trap. Boy,
this is gonna be a long.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Between nineteen eighty seven and eighty eight, when the territory
started going out out of business at nineteen ninety two,
when we were doing this, those four years saw the
influx of the infomercial and also at the same time,
television was deregulated, in large part by the FCC because
there used to be a limit on how much commercial
time you could have on television and all this other

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thing and then just buy. So whereas wrestling programs were
great ratings getters and that's what stations wanted in the
seventies and eighties, by the early nineties elevans station didn't
care about the ratings because they had people, here's a
tape and here's a check, just run it for a
fucking hour. They didn't even need a sales force except
to sell their six o'clock news fucking commercials. So that

(59:12):
made it hard to clear television stations without paying for them.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Which Vince had set the precedent. I will pay you.
Here's our tape.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
We went into the television station, the Fox station in Chattanooga.
I said, if you will give us a time slot,
we will run shows in Chattanooga, and we will buy
schedules of advertising, and we will figure there's variety ways
you can do it.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
If the TV station wants to be a partner, you're great.
If not, in your fuck And the station said, well,
the only time we.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Have right now is one am Friday night, Saturday morning
after the whatever the Fox had on until one am
in the morning.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
But if we get good feedback, we'll find you a
better timeslot.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
So we're on there cutting promos. Hey, we're coming to Chattanooga.
We're coming to Chattanooga. If you have right in tell
the TV station you love us. No, they never came
through then all of a sudden that they would ara
us at one o'clock in the morning, but they wouldn't
talk about, even for a little bit of money, putting
something on in the daytime.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
And we're not gonna try to run.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
A city size of Chattanooga with a TV show us
on at one o'clock in the morning on a Fox
station and it just didn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Out, gotcha?

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Mike campbellfo win won Mania dot com. During the early
stages of Smoking Mountain Heavyweight title tournament, there was a
spot in the tournament for Scott Anthony. Was this supposed
to be the same Scott Anthony who was working in
Global eventually became a raven?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
If so, do you recall why he never wound up
coming into a Smoking Mountain? Yes, it was supposed to be.

Speaker 8 (01:00:33):
And no, I don't, I don't remember, you know what,
you're speechless?

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Was it? You know what I think it was? I
think it was God damn, I remember him calling me.
He said, O can't do something? Was it? He was
starting with ECW and gonna do the raven thing? What
was it? Anybody help me? Where did he go in
ninety two? That may have been it?

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
It may have been that because I either I thought
he was going to be available or he did or
whatever that was round about that time. After that, well,
somewhere or another it And and I mean, I'm not
you know, fucking knocking Scotti.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
It's not like I was gonna put the belt on you.
And it's same, you know, I mean, I wasn't and
at the same time, he had something.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Else going on that that would have been more advantageous
for him, and so it was there was no heat and.

Speaker 9 (01:01:41):
Schedule didn't schedule Schedule Moki courtesy of Figure four online
how for breaking his arm.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Okay, for those of you who don't know, I get
a videotape in the mail, and I and and normally
I get these tapes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
And it's a bad cam quarter footage.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Of a guy that has no tights and he weighs
one hundred and forty pounds and he can't fucking wrestle,
and he's with another guy in the same way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
And I was in Smoky Mountain.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
I was trying to find some new guys, but at
the same time, I just got disgusted watching these tapes.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
I pop one in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Just the reason I popped it in was because it
came from Canada and he bothered.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Descended with a legible fucking cover letter, and so I
pop it in. Guy I've never heard of, and I'm
looking I'm like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
His his name was Lance Storm, and he was leaping to
the top rope in one leap.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
But it wasn't just acrobatics for the sake of it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
He had the size, he had the body, he had
the look. He was young, he was wrestling, he was working.
His shit looked good and acrobatic. And he's working with
his blonde kid, like fucking the blonde kid's good as
he is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Chris Jericho, that's what I call I call up land Storm.
I said, I would like you to come down.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
Here, by the way, can you get a hold of
the bug guy you're working with. Yeah, we're a tag
team sometimes, I said, well great, I can't remember what
the name they used. And then the problem was Lance
was a Canadian citizen. Jericho had dual citizenship, so he
could come. But Lance, we had to get paperwork done.
I had to hire an immigration lawyer and all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
But I had him come down.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
It was crazy because when they came down for a
noximal show just to see the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Show and to get familiar with the area. And that
happened to me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
I think our our Sunday Bloody Sunday show where we
did a thirty seven thousand dollars house and Terry Funk
was in and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
There was like five thousand people there and they're going,
oh shit, we've made it right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
So I made a deal with them, and they didn't
understand the concept of gimmicks selling gimmicks merchandise because the
Rock and Roll Express they had been making five hundred
bucks a week wrestling, but they were making one thousand
dollars a week on fucking selling pictures of merchandise.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
So I'm looking at these two guys.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
He gotta be pussy magnets right the way they look,
and they're young, and I said, I said, you know,
you can make money on well, if we're gonna move
from Canada, we want to get So I ended up
getting like and Jericho.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Says this in his book, but he acts.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Like that they rape being took advantage of me, And
really it wasn't that bad. I got their gimmick money
and gave them like a seven hundred and fifty dollars
a week guarantee your whatever, which.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Wasn't that far out of the way. But I'm thinking, these.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Guys are gonna sell fucking pictures out the ass well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
And Lance, I love you, you know, I love you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Lance was bringing his wife to the matches to sell
his gimmicks, and then the girl of the Ratsburg the field,
the baby faces I've ever seen the Eels were.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Getting more puzzy in the baby faces.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Because Jericho was picky, as he says in his book,
My God, you know, I I guess he's waiting for
Pamela Anderson to walk through. I mean, all the other
guys was eight to eighty, blind, crippler, crazy. If they
gave walk we'll drag him. But Jericho was bicky. Lance
had his wife with him, so they weren't the girls
were not They were not getting serviced, so they weren't
buying the stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
So I always take a little bit of a bath back.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
I can get these guys over because I worked him
with well done, Rex King and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Steve Dall, and you know they got over there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
And then I had the Heavenly Bodies come back for
a week for the big shows in August from the WWF.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
To put the thrill Seekers over Storm and Jericho. And
we're said, the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
Big match gonna be Knoxville Civic Coliseum the night of
the Legends, Heavily Bodies and thrill Seekers, this big angle
we've built up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
And we're gonna be sold out, which we were so
that night, and I had told Jericho.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
I saw him take this fucking bump at a spot
show in like Wartburg, Tennessee. Guy he shoots a guy
from the corner and he comes charging him. The guy
moves and he goes up over the turnbuckles.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
It hits his head on the ring post and takes
a bump.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Straight to the floor and looked like you killed himself.
I immediately said, never take that bump again. Never do
that again until I tell you to, because it's gonna
be on a big show in Knoxville. It's gonna be
sold out. When you hit the post, you're gonna get juice.
The heels are gonna beat to piss out of you,
and that's gonna be the turning point of the match.
And then you're gonna make a giant comeback and it
will gets you over. So never do that again the
three hundred people in fuckinghigh school, Jim, because you could

(01:05:54):
kill yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
So I've got that bump schedule for that match. Right.
We're shooting interviews at four o'clock that day.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Jericho said, you don't even me for interviews. Do you
mind if I go out and work out in the ring.
I said, don't hurt yourself off he goes. So we
do the interviews about an hour and a half later.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Brian Hillbrand Mark Curtis comes run up to me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
It's okay, Jericho's gone to the hospital, but he said
he'll be back.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
I'm like, don't fuck with me, Brian, No, no, we
think he's broken his arm. Who broke his fucking arm?
He did?

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
What was he doing practicing a shooting star press? He
broke his own arm and the building is sold out.
He's in the co main event that night with the
heavily bodies. He didn't need to do a shooting star press.
The tickets were already sold. All he needed to do
was get in the rig and half the match and win.
And now he's also with his right arms. That's his juice,

(01:06:46):
getting arms, so that whole fucking scots out the window,
so that he ended up getting juiced with his fucking
left hand, and either because he was left hand or
he wanted to make up for it that he looked
like he would run through a razorblade factory venar.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
They almost bleed to death. He'd I've got to give
him credit. He goes to the hospital, he gets the
not artificial but well it was partemporary cast put on.
They said, oh, you need surgery. I gotta go wrestle.
What he comes back gets the juice. They win the
fucking match.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
And then the next day he asked, he said, fuck it,
and they had to put a pin in his arm
and all that shit, and he's done.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
So now I got a landstorm one thrill seeker.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
He could only seek half the amount of thrills, and
you know, and then I've got no tag team. And
then you know, Jericho was out for months. And then
then I was prayed, Lance is gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Be mad at me. I said, I can't keep paying
you this single money because you know, blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
So we agreed Lance would go back home, and eventually
they made it wrestling, and I'm proud for him.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
But I may have been slightly mad at Chris that night.
I bet you were an Explotiffort too, must may have
fallen at it. Oh God, your holy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
Mouth slick Chris full of every once again, thoughts that
Vincent's and Chris Kene you doing time he sins a
skipping Sonny and then having time person to say a massive.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Waste of talent. But I was resigned to it at
that point because I saw, you know, people being wasted.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
He had this idea that Chris somehow looked like the
fucking Tony Little you know those infomercials, the exercise guy,
that Sonny looked like a fucking cheerleader, and the body Donna's.
And here's this fucking young kid that is a main
event talent and this fucking cunt. And I say that
with all the fucking love in the world for Tammy.

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She's a fucking bitch. She's a cunt. You can hate her.
I've loved her since the moment I saw her because she,
of all women that have ever been in this business,
has the ability to be a heel. And you got
these two that are young and already smart to the
business and you don't then jumping jacks, well that was

(01:08:46):
fucking stupid. And then Tom Pritchard obviously after the bodies,
you know, he needed a place to go and they
fucking shave his head and make him do that and
it was just stupid and it fucking suck.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
And here's Tom's a great worker.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
And Tom would never say fuck the WWF, so I'll
say it for a fuck you WWF.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
On behalf of what she did.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
Tom Britchard, Eric on a number of occasions, Eric from Kingston,
Tennessee and Jimmy Cloud Kentucky. Also, what was the really
reason you close Smoke you Mountain down on late at
ninety five? Was it money, problems, burnt out, combination of
both different reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Well, no, in fact, I had enough money, it'd still
be there. Nineteen ninety five was the year that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Vince McMahon lost six million dollars. It was. It was
the worst year of the nineties for the professional wrestling business.
Nobody was drawing w That was when w C W.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Bischoff had just taken over, and remember they did their
first nightro at the fucking Mall of America for fuck's sake,
Like goddamn Tiffany or whoever she was, they were not
drawn at all. Vince was losing money. We had gotten
to the point where we were, I mean seriously, a
couple of grand a week would.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Have been a difference between state and business and not.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
But we we'd gotten almost that clo Then we started
dropping again and I'd.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Lost the bodies and the rock and roll, who were
a boon at the start. Now they've been back together
for three years. So it was you couldn't get any
other new talent. Basically, we went into Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Weekend without going into the whole song and dance. We
couldn't get the international distribution, you know, Howard Brody. As
a matter of fact, six months after we closed down,
Howard Brody maybe seventy five thousand dollars for international television sales. Yeah,
thank you, Howard, But I wish you'd been quicker. No,
we went into Thanksgiving weekend and I said, if we
can do what we did last year, no better, no

(01:10:39):
worse than we can pay off our current fucking bills
and et cetera, et cetera, and then I'll go to
Christmas and see what the fuck. And we did like
ten or twelve thousand dollars less for that Thanksgiving with
that's when Ricky Morton had had a problem with his
girlfriend having a fight with Tracy's mother's girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
They're supposed to work a program, YadA, YadA, YadA. I
was getting burnt. I could have still kept doing it
if the money was there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
But basically, Rick Rubin, who had backed us and been
you know, great through the whole thing. After four years,
you know, we were breaking even. Some we were making
a little money on some losing a little money on
some but he.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
You know, he thought we should have been self sufficient.
But we didn't realize in nineteen ninety two that we
thought in nineteen ninety two the wrestling business is as
bad as it's ever going to get. Holy shit, were
we wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
It got steadily worse. For I mean, we were smoking
out in house shows, were outdrowing some WCW how shows.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
That tells you anything. It just people hated wrestling them,
so at any rate, we did less.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
And I said, fuck it, I'm not gonna get in
the situation that other people got in later with ECW
or whatever. We're people money I can't pay back. All
the boys got all their money paid, The production company
got the fucking tapes, had a lot of my money
in it as well. I'm not gonna say a television
station or two that had given it to us up

(01:12:04):
the ass over period of time might have got their
last check or whatever. But the boys got paid, and
the production company that had worked with us got paid.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
And I just thought, this is this is the time.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
And i'd also I had gone to Vince, and i'd
because I had been working up there his Evince, we're
probably closing up by the end of the year, you know,
and I'm not gonna have a place to get any
talent from. And I didn't come out and say will
you help us? But that was you know, I was
leading it in that direction. And all he said was, well,
if you need a.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Job, Paul, just call me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
You got one, all right, thanks a lot. He didn't
realize for about the next two or three years. Oh fuck,
now I got no place.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
To get talent.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
That's why he started going to Memphis with Lawler. And
then when I came up with the developmental program for OBW.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
But that was five years later or four years later,
and he didn't realize how bad it was going to
get yet with not being able to get any talent.
So blah blah blah. Pony Player in nineteen cursy rusting
classes dot com.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
I always thought that Smoky Mountain might have worked at
least a little better or for a little.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
Longer, if you had a better lead. Baby Face, Brian Lee,
Tracy Smothers didn't cut it. Bob Armstrong didn't either.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
The high quality tax tiam match you should have been
the added attraction out the man attraction, but.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
They always lacked. It was a real star with real
person as that fit the old KFA territory theme of
the promotion.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
So my question would be who, in retrospect you think
you could have gotten to fill that role?

Speaker 10 (01:13:18):
Who was out there that you could have afforded, that
could have anchored the promotion and given.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
You a chance.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
I asked this because I thought about it myself. I
can't think of anyone. Sure, he's pondered it a lot more.
What about you, a point player?

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Where were you at the time? Well, double shit.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
If you've thought about it and I've thought about it,
and we neither one came up with Anyboddy, chances are
that means there would anybody.

Speaker 11 (01:13:39):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Brian Lee didn't cut And my original choice was Brad Armstrong.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Because I thought Brad Armstrong looked like an athlete, could.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Talk, could work, was a tremendous worker. It was the
smoothest worker of Aldie Armstrong man had never gotten a chance, but.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
He wasn't available when we started in ninety two, and
he was the one that I had thought when I'd
book smoking mat wrestling in the back seat with you know,
the Midnight Express on those w CW trips, he was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Gonna win the tournament. Couldn't get him in the tournament
was Brian Lee, Dirty White Boy was a heel.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Then Paul Warndorf, Ronnie Garvin, Dixie Dynamite, was Scott Armstrong.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
There was eight guys in the tournament. It was one
night tournament. Anyway, Brad was gonna win. Couldn't get him.
Brian Lee had been wrestling in Memphis, Big Tall kid,
cut an okay.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Promo, okay work. Brian's problem was he just couldn't. He
was one of the guys I've said about other people.
He had all the tools, couldn't read the manual, just
something about it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Never clicked with Brian. I liked Brian and any problem
with him, but he was the top babyface until then.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
We were able to switch Tony Anthony the Dirty White
Boy because he at least had a history in that territory.
Then Tracy Smothers I thought did the best job overall
because Tracy worked his ass off, had great matches, could talk,
was legitimate for that territory, for that area of the country.

(01:15:12):
People could identify with him. But at the same time, no,
Tracy Smothers was not Jerry Lawler in Memphis, or was
not Dusty Rhodes in Atlanta or Tampa or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
I tried Terry Taylor one time because they let Terry
Taylor go from w CW, but he was still involved
with the power plant.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Because Eric Bishop had said, oh, but you can still
I said, Okay, if you've got anything to do with Terry,
I love you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
I think you should always have had a had a
spot as a top babyface.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
But if you've got anything to do with Eric Bischoff
and he sees that you're in any way successful for us,
that he's gonna fucking hire you back.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
So that didn't work. There was no top babyface to
be had.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
And that was a And Bob Armstrong, I just want
to clarify this. Bob Armstrong was never the top babyface.
Bob Armstrong. You always need a legend. You always need
somebody that the people associated remember from from their childhood that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Can still get in and do it every once in
a while. And with Bob, people forget we made him
the commissioner. He wore a suit and tie, well not
a suit, but a tie and a commissioner's baseball cap.
And because he could cut a hell of a promo.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
And you believe what Bob Armstrong said, and at seventy
years old, which he is right now, he's still got.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Bigger arms than anybody in his room. Glin me incredible shape.
The fucking deal was.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Bob was a commissioner for a year, and then finally
because of the evil deeds of that no good, stinking
manager and his fucking men, especially what we'd done to
his family, he was.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Forced back into fucking wrestling, and he did it sparingly.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
And that brew actually the first, the biggest house, the
first biggest house.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Let me point is, I brought the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Studer brothers into face heavily bodies, and Knoxvilly did eight
grand I'd brought a big boss man, Kevin Sullivan, I
a bunch of people when we would get a little better,
Arna Anderson, the Rock and Roll Express, etc. The biggest
house to that point in time we ever did was
Jim Cornett versus Bob Armstrong in the main event in Knoxville,

(01:17:16):
Tennessee in a lumberjack match with all the guys around
the ring holding tennis rackets, and Bob basically said, Cornett,
you put me in the hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
After the volunteer slam in May.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
You cracked my sterning with that racket, which I did,
and he made sure to let me know about it.
You handcuffed me that cage, you cracked my sterning with
the racket, you beat me up, and you had me
carried out an ambulance to the hospital. Well, I guarantee
you in that lumberjack match, I am going to have
you carted out to the same hospital that you sent
me to, where I will refund the money of every man,

(01:17:47):
woman and child that buys a ticket to see that match.
Thirty five hundred people, almost twenty thousand dollars. We doubled
our previous best house in Knoxville. That's what got Knoxville
started with the series of the August Big Shows that
later on next two years. Hold out, it's not about
having the greatest match, it's not about the greatest talent.
It's about having something that people can believe in, that

(01:18:09):
they want to see, and then present it in such
a way that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
They know when they pay their money, they're going to
be happy. And that's what we did. So Bob Armstrong
per match per capita.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Drew more money and sold more tickets that everybody had
ever wrestled and spoken about wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Eric from Kingston Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
Do you happen to know or have an estimate on
the number of original TV program content hours that you yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
Have produced with your own companies. I don't know how
they got you would do this, but go ahead, okay,
stop at it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Smoking Mount Wrestling produced two hundred shows, one hundred ninety
eight of them married. We also did some big events
for videotape, but that doesn't count. With Ohio Valley Wrestling.
It was right at three hundred hours of weekly television

(01:18:59):
because it started July ninety nine and stopped in July
of two thousand and five.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
So what's six times fifty two? Anybody? Three twelve or
whatever the case.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Plus we did four two hour primetime specials on the
WB station, So.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Five hundred a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
Yeah, Okay, Sebastian, Why did you sell Smoking Mountain Wrestling
Video Library to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
WWE for six figures?

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
That's why to get my money back that I'd put
into it. You know, it wasn't I didn't consider if
I owned the Classic Florida Library and I know Mike
Graham had issues with this, or if I owned the
Mid South Library and I was that's still up in
the air. Where if I owned a library of classic
wrestling that I knew that they would butcher and it

(01:19:49):
would never be seen, and they would fucking hide it
and just show it and rewrite history. I don't know
that I would have done it, but I didn't consider SMW.
You know, the hardcore fans dream treasure trove. It was.
You know, it was a good show, but at the
same time, I had six figures in it. I want
to get six figures back out of it. And the

(01:20:11):
same thing with Ohio Valley Wrestling, I know, you know,
we sold it and they didn't want to pay us.
By the way, fucking pricks apparently thought that they owned everything.
Danny Davis had Ohio Valley Wrestling already going, already had
a television show, and they thought from the time that
they first set down six trainees, three of whom could
wrestle in front of people, and three of whom had
never even graduated class yet and couldn't even wrestle in

(01:20:34):
front of people, they just assumed that they owned our
television program. Because they're fucking obnoxious pricks. And by the way,
if you ever think about doing business with the WW
and you're in the wrestling business, they will fuck you
because they think that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
They're better than you are.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
So we finally had to argue with them because they
would stop us from selling our show and all, you
can't sell the show overseas for.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Money because we own it. Show me where you own it.
We had the fucking well, it's our talent.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
Well what about the non contract referees, contract wrestlers, the
non contract announcers, and the fact.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
That we pay to produce and pay to air the
fucking program. Fuck you. So they bought it from us,
and you'll never see that either, because you know that
leads to the next question video from Jimmy Jims. They
own it. So why does the WWE hardly use any
of the SMW footage? Is it to get back at you?
Do they just not see the value in it or what?
I don't think they're getting back.

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
I don't think they see value in it because it
was great, you know, heated wrestling matches with Tracy Smothers,
the dirty white boy, in the heavily bodies in the
Rock and World Express.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
They used clips of people like al Snow or Kane.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Maybe they use Kane I don't even know because he
was unibomb But a few of the people, and I
think Jim Ross also did a lot to get them.
They were buying libraries at that point, and Jr. Said, Hey,
a lot of the guys started here, and I think
you know so he was probably helpful in that, But
I don't think it's anything. They would rather show the
best of Chief j Strongboat from nineteen seventy three, all

(01:21:55):
those classic fucking matches. Have I said fuck you WWE
in the past fifteen seconds because I'd.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Like to get it just feels so good running off
my tongue, fuck you WWE missed the James E.

Speaker 12 (01:22:07):
Kode Oh James here from off themarchshow dot com. Take
us back to Smoky Mountain Wrestling. It was a great
promotion and the pla against the old school. It was
kind of like d CW the South.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Well, why did you fool?

Speaker 13 (01:22:18):
I mean there was immensely popular and WWE owns the.

Speaker 12 (01:22:22):
Footage they advertise it for on twenty four to seven
or Classics under mand.

Speaker 13 (01:22:25):
Wherever the fuck they call it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Now?

Speaker 13 (01:22:27):
Why don't they use that footage?

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Is there?

Speaker 7 (01:22:29):
You know?

Speaker 13 (01:22:30):
Was there an argument with you when you left? Or
do they just not see the value in it?

Speaker 10 (01:22:34):
We just answered this, Yeah, I was waiting for the
video to come up, and you read ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Oh, most guys have on the show. Can't reach the
advantage it. Well, you know, Eric from Kingston, Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
Over the last couple of years, I've been able to
get all the old smoking Aunt Wrestling TV.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Shows on tape, as well as a lot of the
house shows.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
There any plans for these shows that be remastered and
made to the public on DVD?

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Uh? Well no, because I sold them to the WWF
and I don't want them to sue me.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
But at the same time, I encourage and admire all
tape traders keep this stuff alive. That's why I have
a huge collection of wrestling on video, and that's why
I think that everybody and that's the tape traders before
the Internet and before commercial releases.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
I would, you know, i would tape the show in
Louisville and I'd send it to the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
In Atlanta who'd taped the Georgia show or the guy
in Detroit who taped the you know whatever from seventy
nine through the early mid eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
There, that's the way that all this stuff was kept alive.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
That's why so much wrestling is available from seventy nine on,
but so little because that was the VCR, you know,
and I know it's hard for people now, young people
to understand when we who had four television stations and
our town suddenly had a box that we could actually

(01:23:43):
pick up and carry that would videotape television so that
we could watch it later.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
And it only cost one thousand dollars. My god, that
was revolutionary. And you had a.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
Wireless pause control or a wired pause control where you
stuck the fucking thing in you could go pause, un pause.
Fucking brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
All right, Stumped Cornett, you sent in your questions.

Speaker 4 (01:24:12):
We grabbed a handful of them that we thought were
worthy and uh and if you stop them, you get
the DVD for.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Free, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
Firstly from Mike Campbell for One one Mania. We tried
to use the fair questions that there was some nonsense,
but let's say, yeah, okay, the question is who was
the first person to win all three titles in ECW.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Howbout have first fucking clue? What would I know? You're
a wrestling historian, aren't you. Well that's not wrestling history,
that's modern shit. Bruce Mitchell would know. It's only history.
If you're fucking twelve years old, Bruce Mitchell would know.
Bruce Mitchell knows a lot of things, some of them
I don't want to know.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Okay, So so I couldn't name you three e CW champions,
taz uh Raven and am I getting anywhere?

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
I ain't hitting? It? Is this cash cap? The answer
is Johnny hot body. Wow, it's true? Okay, all right?
A question from Kevin Barrett.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Besides being the first main event of the first wrestling
pay per view, the match between Harley Race and Ric
Flair had another.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
First to it.

Speaker 11 (01:25:20):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Wait? A minute match between Harley Race and Ric Flair
was not on the first wrestling pay per view, star
K eighty three. Right, that was not on pay per
view star K eighty three.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
First first wrestling pay per view was that Wrestling Classic
Deal Events did in eighty five as a trial.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Yeah right? And that yeah? Okay, So basically I was
blowing your fight validated. The question has been invalidated by
the man. Okay, but but what's the question again? Now? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
Well, the Harley Race and Ric Flair match there was
a significant first in wrestling history other than first.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Star K eighty Yeah, flair for the gold That was
the uh significant first. The hints for you, you would
have seen it happen three other times. Well, then, how
can it be a fucking first?

Speaker 10 (01:26:18):
That was the first, but it has happened three times since.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Oh, I don't know, I have no idea. The NWA
world title changed hands in a steel cage. Oh, for
fuck's sake, don't get all russo on me. It's not
his fault he got you. All right, Well that question
is invalidated anyway, poor hey. When Tataka debuted, he went
on to his Goldberg Can somebody give me a question

(01:26:43):
from the seventies that I'd know the answer to? All right?
No going with Tataka went to Tanka debuted, he went
on his Goldberg esque winning streak. Who handed him his
first loss? When didto talk? What year anybody did to
talk to Oky?

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
I'm in fucking Knoxville, working twenty hours a fucking day
booking wrestling. I didn't have time to watch the fucking WWF.
I didn't watch the shows. I appeared on Ludwig Borga.
Oh jeez, there you go, Jasarevski from Ontario. Who wouldn't
have known that you're breaking me?

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Here?

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
I had to give away three discs already Jaysureski Ontario, Canada,
which wrestler tried to work in angle tastelessly recreating.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Bruiser Brodie the Bruiser Birdie Murder, but was given sead okay,
very good, Jesus, very good. Jorge asked another one. Oh
Jorge again? Well you got him the first time. Let's see,
only two mass wrestlers have ever held the a W
A heavyweight title. Who are they? Doctor? Was he do?
Doctor X?

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Time? And the Destroyer?

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
No destroyer was Wwe wait a minute? Masked wrestlers holding
the title?

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Is that the mask?

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
Mister m Miller? Both see and the older stuff? I
started saying antigue but older stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
You know? I can okay. And prior to rock my viea,
what two American.

Speaker 4 (01:28:01):
Non indie wrestlers used the rock as a prefix to
their name.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Uh well, Oly Anderson's was the Rock, although he actually
didn't use that professionally.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Uh but you're also talking about rock Riddle or or
just a prefix instead of a Yeah, that part of
the name ro like rock Riddle. I just wanted to
mention his name the Don Rocco. Correct, I'm Rock Riddle.
Extra credit for not knowing fucking Tatanka's fucking business.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
She ask me, goddamn cowboy laying social Security number. He's
just I'm nervous he's gonna get divorced.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
I gotta get hot. W E c W. Mike Juliano,
how did the keep between you and Paul Hyman begin?
And how much of it was a work? Yeah? We
could be here for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
The thing is, and I can't say that I hate
Paul Haman personally. It's nothing like Vince Russell. I would
I would.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Kiss Paul Haman on the face before I would fucking
be in the same room right now with Vince Russell.
But the and I mean Paul, he's always had these
little tricks, like you know, when I quit W CW,
he'd called me in my house in Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Every month or so, you know, on the pretext of
you know, how you doing and whatever. But actually you
got them right where you want them. They'll give you
anything to come back. Paul. I'm not coming back. I
don't like those people, don't want to work for him.
Got it right where you want him, Just keep keep
it up like that. Either he thought everything was.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Always a work because in his mind it is or
elsewise he was checking to see. One time he would
put his arm around me like this, started walking me
to the door. If I were you, I wouldn't take this.
He wanted to get me out of there. But the
thing started with me and Paul with the gangsters thing
where I'd had the gangsters for a year, and you know,

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I came up with the gimmick when I saw them
working in in in Atlanta for Sammy Kent and the little,
you know, local promotion there, and I thought, this new
Jack can talk and Mustafa looks great work on both
of them.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
They were still real green, but you know, it was
topical the Rodney King beating.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
So I thought, let's take this black tag team supposedly
from south central LA to the fucking hills of Tennessee
and they got to get some heat. They did.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
Unfortunately Lesson learned as a booker it was a wrong
kind of heat.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
But in the process, I mean, and plus they once
one of our local ring announcers wants announced them from
south central Louisiana.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
They didn't even you know, they weren't even watching the news.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
They didn't and and and Mustapha said became a boost
of said, you know, but but anyway, and I've told
this story before about trying to make it brief. They've
been there for almost a year, and I gave him
a three month notice. I said, guys, you've wrestled everybody.
I need nothing else to do. We're losing spot shows because,
to be quite honest, a lot of the local fire departments,

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it wasn't they wanted to see these heels get the
shit kicked out of them. They just didn't want to
see these heels. They didn't want to have them in
their fucking town. And whether I was somehow I became
a racist because the volunteer fire department in Paintsville.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Didn't want black guys in their fucking gym, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
But anyway, so I tried Memphis and Randy Hills wouldn't
touch him because he, I mean, Randy's, you know, a
lot more conservative than I am, and he didn't want.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
To do that. And of course the w W no,
I mean, we've heard that new Jack talk. You know
we ain't gonna do that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
I said, there, Taylor made for c W. I hadn't
talked to my old friend Paul in a couple of years.
So I called Paul, trying to get him a spot
in ECW. But at the same time Newjack had evidently
called and either talked to him or Todd Gordon. So
the story I'm getting from paulish, yeah, we'd like to
have them. And I said, look, I said, I'm finishing
them up on.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
July fifteenth or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
And I said, we can shoot something on tape, we
can do an angle, or I said, whatever the fuck
you need.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
I don't want to get these guys' spot because they've
worked for me.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Well, at the same time, new Jack comes and says, well,
Todd Gordon said he talked to Paulie and if we
didn't start on July first or whatever it was, and
then we aindt never gonna start. I said, well, it's
not the story I got from Paul, because I said,
I needed you guys to finish up these big towns.
You've beat everybody, now's your time. Once on the way out,
wasn't gonna beat them into powder to put Tracy's mothers,
Tony Anthony over and.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
So I called Paul back and I said, Paul, I'm
getting conflicting shit here, I said, new Jack's saying that
if they don't start July the first, then they'll never start.
And you said, I could have them until the fifteenth,
and then they can start up there. They must honor
your dates. They must honor your commitments. I won't use them.

(01:32:45):
I will not use them one time if they don't
make all the dates that you book them for.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
I said, well, that's all I need to know. Paul.
Right as I'm hanging up, he says, let me know
if you fire them. Okay, let me know if you
fire them. Well, of course I fired him. When they
stopped showing up.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
They went and made the fucking date that they've been
saying they were gonna make for Paul and didn't make
the last two weeks of my dates.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
And Paul lied to me, and then of course I
couldn't get him on the phone after that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
And basically, you know, I thought, Okay, he's fucking with me.
And that's also where the story came in that I
the gagst his money because everybody got paid on the
on the like the last day of the weekend, right,
so in this case, it was a Monday television taping
on Saturday night in Johnson City.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Mustafa had not showed up, but new Jack was there,
and new Jack said something about you know, car trouble
or well, I don't know what the story was, but also.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
Several people, including my ex wife, heard new Jack say, well,
this is the last time I'm gonna be here because
we're going to ACW. So Monday was television, Sunday was
day off. Some Monday, everybody's gonna get paid. So somewhere
they took. The gangsters took.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Draws in cash every night anyway, so it wasn't no
big amount of money.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
I owed each of them a hundred dollars for Saturday
night or whatever. Right I old knew Jack one hundred dollars.
I own Mustafa one hundred dollars for Friday night, whatever
the fuck it was.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
The point is.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
I wrote him out of TV on Monday, and then
Nwjack shows up still no Mustafa, and.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
I would have figured it'd been the other way around
if I was a batanman. I said, Nwjack, why are
you here? He said, WHOA, I'm booked.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
I said, well, you ain't booked more because you told
several people, including my wife, that you weren't gonna be here.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
I didn't say that. I said, well, look, Jack, just
be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
If if she says that you squat down in the
parking lot and shit a live chick.

Speaker 2 (01:34:47):
And I'm gonna believe her rather than believe you. So
I wrote you out. But here's your pay for Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
And no, as a matter of fact, I paid him
for coming to TV on hundred dollars and Mustafa.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
I didn't give him Mustafa's money.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
I said, Ustapha, every once I can come, get this
fucking hundred dollars, he'd come right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
That's the last time I saw him until they walked
in on me in the deal, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
But then Nwjack started cutting promos on me on ECW television.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
And I was hot at him because I gave him
a chance. I put him in the ring with the undertaker.
I put him in the ring with a lot of
top guys.

Speaker 3 (01:35:21):
He gave him the biggest payoff payoffs that they'd ever
had in the business, more than one hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
A night for the big shows.

Speaker 3 (01:35:29):
But at the same time, I was hot at Paul
E because why is he working this fucking angle at
ECW and Smoky Mountain are never going to have anything
going on, because it wouldn't fucking work. We're not gonna
do an invasion angle, nor are they coming down here.
Two different styles, two different territories.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
What the fuck? Why?

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
It just PAULI was getting jolly's from letting a guy
knock me. So that was the start of And then
I worked with Paul when when they were punishing him
when he was in the WWE in two thousand and five,
they sent him down to Louisville to go to ov
W because they knew that was punishment for him because
he'd rather be in New York, whereas the punishment for

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me was the opposite way around. I wanted to be
at Louisville instead of New York. So they were fucking
with me in that way, but they were fucking with them.
So we commiserated on that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
But the problem is Paul Is is a pathological liar.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
And he'd said the time he'd rather climb a tree
and tell the lions down on the ground and.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
Tell the truth. And he hated that, but it's true.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
He Candido and Tammy want in a hole financially on
his say soul, A lot of guys did he you know,
he fucked up a lot of people's lives with not
just telling them the truth.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
There's the famous Bubba Ray Dudley story about FedEx.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Bubba is is promoting one of the New York towns
because Bubba's from New York for ECW and he needs
like out of posters, tickets, promotional material or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
He calls Paul, Paul, where is this shit? Oh? I
got the FedEx tracking number right here. It's four seven
two six five four sixty five one. And Bubba says Paul,
that's won too many numbers. I'll just knocked the last
one off. No, And he stood bride Hill to Brown desperately.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Mark Curtis, who I can't say a bad thing for him,
A noted knew him for twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
Everybody loved Brian.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
He wanted to referee for e c W as before
he got after a Smoky Mountain closed, before.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
He got the w cwspot, because all the guys liked
him so much.

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
He actually was promised to date and his plane ticket
never showed up, so he called Paul Paul say, oh,
it'll be at the airport. He drove from Morristown fifty
miles to the fucking Knoxville Airport.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
No ticket, Call Paul, what Just call me right back.
He calls him back in.

Speaker 3 (01:37:39):
Ten minutes, answer machine. Never could get him again, Never
could get him again.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
Standing there, you know he stood brow just did a
lot of shit like that. Just tell the people truth, Paul,
Just once, that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
We would have never had these issues. But now one
of these days, you and me and on pay per
view and a big I might even work with you.
I wouldn't work with Russo, but I'll work with Paul maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Justin and Erica a lot to say.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
We respect the hell out of you. One of the
greatest minds of wrestling, no question about it. There's something
we don't quite.

Speaker 2 (01:38:06):
Understand, though. It's your view on ECW. We've seen several shoot.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
Interviews which you generalize the promotions being blood latterers, tables fire,
a little to no substance.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Please feel free to correct us we're wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:38:15):
We find that to be an unfair assessment, though, because
ECW was so much more than that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
Apart from late eighties NWA programming or hard press.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
To think of a wrestling program that was as consistently
entertaining as hardcore TV was, and the factor of matter
is the fact of the matter is that ECW was
so much more than tables of bar wires. Shane Douglas
has RBD eliminators, said Wu Raven Cactus, Jack, Tommy Dreamer.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Paul, he's brilliant booking. All these things combined to make
ECW great, to make ECW matter.

Speaker 4 (01:38:38):
There are plenty of matches had at the ECW arena
that did not involve tables.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Fire chairs, foreign objects from the crowd.

Speaker 4 (01:38:44):
You know, you might want to write it off or
call out a cult attraction, which you have done.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
But it was much more than that. Please help us understand.
Don't don't move it. Don't move it. I want to
refer to it. I never said it was a cult attraction.
I say it was a cult following. And Paul, I mean,
you know, everybody in the business says, well, we're gonna,
we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
Drink Hayman's kool aid. He was a cult leader because
he would he was a great motivator. But he would
motivate the guys that worked for him to do these
things to their bodies and of their pocketbooks that nobody
else could could motivate them to do. But let's go
back and start, there was Eddie Guerrero and and and
Chris Benoi and and great wrestlers, and there were great

(01:39:24):
wrestling matches. Yes, I'll admit that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
The problem I had was with e c W. I
get you know, everybody said, well, you did street fight
matches in smoky mountains. Yeah, but here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
You can have a match that becomes a fight and
spills out of the ring and people are being thrown
into shit or hit with chairs or whatever, and then
you can have a stunt show. And it got so
far it was like hot shotting on a weekly basis.
How can we top ourselves? How can we top ourselves?
They had a scaffold match, but it wasn't enough for
the guy to take a bump off a scaffold. He
had to take a bump off a scalfl through three

(01:40:00):
tables possibly that were set on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
I can't remember they set people on if they said,
Terry funk on fucking fire the barbed wire. I'm seeing
mc foley.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
I have of respect Mick, and you know he's wrapped
up in Barbara and people are bleeding.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
Out he has.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
It's bad for the business. You can't follow it. You
as ECW found out. I could have run Smoky Mountain
Wrestling for the four years that it was in existence,
done the same things, the same television shows, with the
same cards, with the same talent, and never charged a
single penny for admission, and still would not have owed

(01:40:41):
as much money as ECW did when it went out
of business. It's not just a blood tie, ladder's tables
fire and little to no substance.

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
There was substance there. I've always said Polly's a genius.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
At getting the most out of the least. He was
a good booker, he had a mind for the business.
He could of promo, he's a good manager, et cetera.
But he had this little problem with the truth and
with restraint, like many people from New York.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
I haven't mentioned that name. I guess I will later.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
But the problem is then it becomes a stunt show
and it becomes something. It was contrived, it was choreographed.
I'll never forget. I didn't watch a lot of ECWTV.
I was up there in Connecticut for a lot of it.
I don't want watch the WWFTV, but I watched one
night and there's these two guys I can't remember who
it was, there's a table set up in the middle
of the ring. They get up on the top turn

(01:41:35):
buckle and they're both stating they're holding on each other
and they're clutching each other while they're on the.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Top turn buckle, and there's the table and I don't
think thumbtacks had come in yet, thank god. But they
got each other and all of a sudden, you see
a look at each other, look down and go like okay, Harry,
and they both jump off together. It wasn't real.

Speaker 3 (01:41:52):
Instead of a fight that was erupting and evolving into
a pier six Donty broke with people getting hit by
furniture is hitting people with furniture. They were hitting furniture
with people.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
It just it wasn't it was it. People knew that
there was cooperation involved. They went too far. You can't
follow it. After you go through the table on fire,
then the table on fire knees have thumbtacks on it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
Then there needs to be aids infested hypodermic needles on
the map below it. And then they got to bring
in the pit bulls that hadn't been fed in four days.
Where do you fucking stop?

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
That's what's the problem with the wrestling business now hit
a nutshell. Twenty years ago. We didn't hurt each.

Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
Other, but people thought we did. Now we hurt each other,
but people don't believe it. ECW, in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Was a large part of helping that come about. TJ
from Australia.

Speaker 4 (01:42:45):
Your thoughts on what WWE did to ECW WWECW, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
Wait a minute, it's been well documented that you're not
a big fan of one poly dangerously. The E is
for extreme folks, or as you may know them, on
a personal basis, paul aymand While it is known that
you two have how should I put this personal acred
for one another? You must at least find something Paulie
did as booker to be at least warranting of your praises.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
So tell us, King of the Dairy Queen, what would
you say.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
Is your favorite angle conceived by mister Haymond during his
reign as booker at the original ECW.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
A little bit, you know? But but no, I wouldn't
because and I wasn't a religious watcher of ECW.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
I did see some of the TV's, but I don't
think that any one particular angle was Paul's shining moment
as much as the fact.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
That public enemy. I mean, let's face it, they didn't
get over anywhere else because they weren't allowed to do
their shit. Paulie let them do their shit. PAULI could
find something about.

Speaker 3 (01:43:37):
Anybody, and the eliminators, not the most polished workers, but
great athletes.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
You could go on and on and on.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
Paulie got people over that other people couldn't get over,
that people couldn't get over in other places. So I
think it's what he did with the talent or bringing
in and exposing people to the Eddie Guerrero's and the
Crispin was and et cetera before they.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
Were on the mainstream promotions. That to me Paul's best
contribution to ECW.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
But I just wish the hardcore stuff is what everybody
wanted and if what everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Was nuts over.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
But once again, sooner or later, you hot shot long enough.
This is what Russo don understand, and I'll talk more
about him later. But Russo does not understand that every
period of hot shotting in the business is followed by
an equally long, if not longer, period of drought because
you can't follow it in the old days when territories
were down, business was down.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
The book is okay. We got a hot shot.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
We're gonna have some blood. We're gonna bring the sheic in.
We're gonna have an angle, we're gonna have a heavy stipulation,
we have something. We're gonna throw it all at him,
get them back and then get them hooked to what.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
We're doing, and then gear it back before we can't
follow it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:43):
Now nobody gears back pedal the metal every fucking week,
which is why now people are just immune to this
constant parade of violence and yelling and screaming.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
Whereas with T and A, I used to say was there.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
Were women fighting in the women's room, then we cut
to the fucking back where somebody getting thrown into one
of the fucking locker room trailers. Then we cut to
the arena where people were already fighting. It's just endless
fucking sound and motion. It means nothing, uh with you,
You can't follow this shit.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
A little restraint just to tad make it real, don't
make it goofy. Well, what are your thoughts on what
ww he's done to it since taking it over? Well,
they didn't take it over.

Speaker 3 (01:45:22):
They used the initials I mean the WWE's version of ECW.
It makes the original ECW look good to me.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
At least. There was some passionate emotion there in some effort,
and the guys were trying WWE E c W. Vince
never understood it. You know, Vince does not see these things.

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
Vince McMahon and I, if I'm lying, I'm flying and
my feet ain't left the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
Never watches any other wrestling.

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
When the Rock and Roll Express came up to do
the Survivor series pay per view, hes me now, which
one's Ricky and which one's Robert?

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
Only the hottest baby faced team that his competitors had
ever had on national television for years and years.

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
He didn't watch it. I sat with him while he
watched the first clip of ECW that he had ever seen,
after they were already working together, because truthfully, I said,
do you want to fucking watch this? And it was
Bill Alfonso and Beulah were by Fonso bleeding like crazy
and their pile driving women.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
I said, what the fuck? Oh, I didn't know they
did things like that. He never watched w CW, He
never watched Nitro.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
He never know his stooges and various people, but no
Visvan Man to this day, I would imagine he hadn't
seen as much wrestling non WWE as we've seen in
the last two days.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
WWE.

Speaker 4 (01:46:48):
Speaking of which, Greg Pipe thoughts on WWF's Tuesday Night
Titans TV show from the mid eighties.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
Well, I've seen clips and I have a little bit
bit on tape.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
We were always working on Tuesday nights in the mid eighties.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
But we laughed at it. Everybody, the NWA wrestlers laughed
at it. You know, I guess they laughed last. But
it was silly, it was stupid. It was cartoony made
wrestling phoney, and I mean it was funnier in retrospect
than the fucking rotten material that they give guys now

(01:47:23):
to say on television, because at least it was the
boys coming up with their own fucking funny shit, and
the boys are somewhat funny.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
But I hated it, hated it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Wouldn't even watch it if somebody gave me a free
fucking taint because it was the start of the.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
Downfall of our business. Marco Connaty, you explained the meaning
you had for men in eighty six. I believe when
you're with Midnight Express. Then that's talked about the doll.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
That is an entire chapter in the Midnight Express twenty
fifth anniversary scrap book.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
That's a long story, but basically we went up there and.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
Ernie Ladd had called us in Charlotte because we were
the nWay World Tag Team Champions.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
Back when you didn't just you know, win that, you
know all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
It meant that you didn't really win the title, but
it meant that the promotion thought you were the top
team for business.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
So that so it was an honor back then to
be the World Tag Team Champions.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
And now you can get it, you know, for three
minutes and segment six and losing something segment seven, Ernie
lad called and said, well, y'alla, come to the WWF that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Make enough founch up here. They're gonna they're gonna take
over the world. Well, Ernie had never steered us wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
So we got on phone, I got on phone events
and he set up a meeting which we went to Stamford.
They flew us up there and we're expecting to hear, okay,
we are your competition's top heel tag team. We're making
this is nineteen eighty six. We're on track to make
a couple of hundred grand apiece this year.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
And you know who are you.

Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
Gonna use this against? Who are we gonna work a
program with down here? With the Rock and World Express
and Dusty and Magnum. Who's it gonna be up there?
What kind of money are we talking about? Are we
gonna get a run with the belts? When would you
know all the things that you expect to hear those
days in wrestling, and you're gonna have the opportunity to
make more money you have ever made your lives. No,

(01:49:10):
we're not not if you don't put us on TV
and push us and put us over and give us
the belt and put us in the main events?

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Are you going to do that? But we were sitting
waiting to hear this. We're gonna have dolls. See they
didn't have action figures. Then it was dolls.

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
The dolls are gonna look like you and everything we're heels.
Why would the fuck would we want people to buy
our fucking gimmicks. That means they don't hate us. It
was a whole different concept. All we could think about
now is dolls.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
He talked about dolls, dolls, dolls, dolls in the whole
fucking meeting. And there was no money mentioned, no angles,
no programs. You might be here however long you might
do this, that and the other thing. It's dolls. You
got opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
Well, we're living in Charlotte, we're making a couple of
hundred grand a year piece. We're working with fucking the
Rock and Roll Express and the Roague Wars and Dusty
Roads and Magnum Tia and whoever the fuck else. We're
flying around on Crockett's private plane, and why the fuck
are we gonna go anywhere?

Speaker 2 (01:50:03):
So we just didn't go. But the whole story, with
many more twists and turns, is in the book Pick
it up Tom Cornett dot com, Eric Smith, and we
didn't regret not going. When you work for WW, did
you live in.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
Connected I know the answer to this, Well, part of
the time started at part time in ninety three, when
I was still in Tennessee, and then in February of
ninety six, Yes, I moved to Connecticut and was there
until June thirtieth, nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
When I was poor, old South of tour m says.

Speaker 4 (01:50:34):
Growing up in the Northeast, I remember the first time
I saw her Southern wrestling and was shocked at the
top baby Face was a paleo best man and thought
he was black. I say that with all due respect
to us he roes. Granted he had unreal charisma, but
also had to chalk it up to geography. With that
preface as Southern? What things about wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
Southern nerd not as sutter, he says, as a Southern
we read it as they write it. That's part of
the fun. Well, what things about wrestling above the Mason
dicks and shocked you?

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
Well, like I said, you know earlier, I wasn't really
shocked because I was shocked when we saw that first
Madison Square Garden show.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
I didn't realize.

Speaker 3 (01:51:10):
Vince the WWWF was always big guys and always kind
of the more outlandish personalities, and it was Southern wrestling
was more real, was more gritty, It was more passionate.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
It was bloodier and more brawls. And whether it be Eddie.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Graham love and amateur wrestlers, or whether it be Vern
Gone you love an ex football players, whether it be
the Crockets having the premier workers in ring workers, whether
it be Tennessee, it was tables and chairs and hardcore
before there was hardcore. These towns were smaller, they had
smaller populations. They ran weekly a lot of times, definitely monthly,

(01:51:50):
plus spot shows all around the area.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
The people had to believe. And when I looked at
at WWWF Wrestling which later w w F, the thing
about it is you couldn't really believe it. It was
presented as I don't want to use the word hoki.
Sometimes it was silly heat. The point was it wasn't
about the action, it wasn't about the heat.

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
I mean, Bill Wats could get some heat on a heel,
I can tell you right now, and the people would
pay until he got his ass kicked.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
And then the baby faces.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
Meanwhile, were the people that fucking raised the goddamn flag
on Mount Serabaci at ewo Jima because they were vanquishing
these evil people.

Speaker 2 (01:52:32):
I remember down South. It happened when Sambass died, It
happened when Bobby Shane died. Happened a couple of times.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
They would make the announcement if a wrestler was killed
in a plane crash or a car wreck, if he
was a heel, the fucking place would pop. You would Oh,
I'm serious, not just applause.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
Yes, he's fucking dead, but that's what kept people coming back.

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
The Heels were the most evil, degenerate, lion cheating sacks
of shit that ever lived, and the baby faces were
the only things standing between them and fucking certain rule
of wrestling right, And the matches were worked, and the
angles were done, and the promos were given in such.

Speaker 2 (01:53:10):
A way that you could believe that this shit was
going on.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
And sometimes there was some things a little kobooki ish,
But you know, Jared, Jared always you say, if you
tell them the truth that they know to be the
truth long enough, once you veer off into the work, Well,
they told me the truth about A, B and C,
so that must be true too, whereas you know, I mean,
and with all respect to lou Albano, it wasn't he
got a ton of heat in the old days, but

(01:53:36):
by the eighties and nineties with Vince Junior took over,
it was more showbiz and more cartoon and there was
no would like, how the fuck do they expect to.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
Make this work? Well, the answer was.

Speaker 3 (01:53:50):
He wasn't gonna run any town regularly. He was gonna
run every town once a year. You go see the
Harlem Gloke Trotters once a year, but after twice or
three times, pretty well, sure of the Washington general, I
ain't winning that fucking game. So but you never knew
Southern wrestling. So anyway, that was the difference. It was
it's a cultural shift. And it wasn't the fact that
one wrestling style, in.

Speaker 2 (01:54:10):
My mind, went out over the other.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
It's the fact that a bunch of fucking blithering morons
bought the company and took over the one wrestling style
and they couldn't compete with Vince. The wrestling style was superior.
People running the wrestlings such as TBS, where if it
was raining soup, they'd be out to Hardland Fork.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
So there you have, Greg Pike. Were you close to
Howard Finkele love me some fake? I love? The fake
is never that he's always happy. He's always he loves
being in that office. He loves everything he does. And
and I like the think Anthony Militach. Why was Bill
Wats's tenure as a boosker in WWE so short because
he was not allowed to be the booker. Vince was

(01:54:46):
still going to take over. He was there about six
or eight weeks and then he wrote.

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
A TV and Vince saw it as it was shocked
and decided, well, we're gonna put the last match first,
the first match last, and Wats went in and said, Vince,
there's only room for one Titan and Titan.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
Sports and you're I'm going home to Bixwick.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
That's actually a quote he did, yes Slick Chris from
Full River The Thoughts of Sweet stan Land as an
announcer a w w F.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
Well, Stan I thought did a very good job.

Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
As a matter of fact, it was good training for
his boat racing commentary and producing that he does to
this day. Jerry Jared had brought him up because they
needed some more announcers. Vince had hired Jerry Jarrett to
come up in ninety two or three when the steroid
trial got highcause Vince thought he was going to jail
and he needed somebody to run the company that he

(01:55:30):
I guess he thought he could trust he wouldn't run
it into the ground, and he picked Jerry Jarrett. But
when he didn't go to jail and Jerry sit around
here with nothing to do. But one of the moves
Jerry made was bring a stand up because I guess
there was ninety three. Because Stanton had retired from wrestling,
he didn't have the passion anymore, but as an announcer,
you know, he's a good looking great boys, so.

Speaker 14 (01:55:50):
He did that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:50):
And after Jerry went home, Stand the same way as
I am, the same way. Everybody that moves from the
South to the North wants to cut their fucking throat,
hate every fucking second of it, and Stand was the
same with Jerry. Jarrett was drinking two bottles of wine
every night and his condo and Stamford going, my god,
I got to get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
Stan fucking hated it. I fucking everybody. So Stand hung
on as long.

Speaker 3 (01:56:12):
As he could, got his money, had insurance, got some
kind of surgery done he needed to get, and then he.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
Was fucking headed for fucking North Carolina.

Speaker 4 (01:56:21):
Slick Chris thoughts of managing owing in the Bulldog and
Doingf's part of Camp Cornett.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
They were great. I loved, you know, I liked Yokazuna
and I liked mister Fuji.

Speaker 3 (01:56:30):
But when I first went up there started matching, those
matches were just so bloody fucking awful, except for Yokozuna
and Undertaker. Undertaker I have ultimate respect for it. They're
not knocking, they're just doing construction. Undertaker is the greatest
gimmick in history of wrestling. Great worker, great guy. He
could get a great match out of Yokazuna.

Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
Nobody else could.

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
And I mean even though Yoko could move for a
six hundred and fifty pound man, still he was six
hundred and fifty pound man.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
So when I got a chance to.

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
Manage Owen and Bulldog, then at least we got back
into some fucking matches.

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
I mean I would. I wouldn't work up sweat a
lot of times with Yoko because the fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
You know, it was just he was slow so and
plus Owen and Bulldog were always ribbing each other, always
fucking with each other. We'd do the promos and there
Owen and have the squirt bottle of water that used
for the fake sweat. But he'd while we're standing there
waiting to you know, get the shot locked, he'd be
squirting my crotch in my pants that I didn't know about.
It looked like I'd pissed myself. Or we'd look around
and there Owen was.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
Standing on a roll of duct tapes. He'd be the
tallest one of the bunch of us because we're all
through the same height. And then David'd stand up.

Speaker 3 (01:57:34):
On his tiptoes, and then Owen had get a fucking
block of wood, and all of a sudden, I'd look
like Cowboy Lang.

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
Here. These guys were just endless.

Speaker 4 (01:57:42):
So Halloween Havoc eighty nine Curtesy Wrestling Wrestling Classics.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
Did you travel with yokus in a car plan? No?
I did not. Well, uh, for one thing.

Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
At the time, I was from ninety three until I
started in your office in ninety six, I was coming
up just for TV and pay.

Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
Per view from Knoxville because I was running Smoky Mountain
full time. So you know, me and the bodies would travel.

Speaker 3 (01:57:59):
Togain other when when they came up with me, But otherwise,
you know, we I didn't travel with anybody because I
was coming from a different place to go back to
a different coutry great pike and that that had to
also been a just a I'm sure traveling in the
car with Yokazuna was interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
I think I swear he was going with that great pips.
Did you ever, e Yo Kazuna, how much did he eat?

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:58:21):
Once again, we would be at TV all day from
like noon until midnight back in the days when they
did four shows in a night and whatever. We would
be going to do promos and Fuji was not getting
around too good with.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
His hips and his knees. So if the promo room
was across the arena, you had to get Fuji a
twenty minute head start. And then Yoko no seriously, and
I'd be sitting over there and I'd be going, jeez,
because I'm like, I want to get this shit done. Boom,
We're gonna be here three hours or whether knock this
shit out or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:58:50):
And then Heyoko's, you know, fiddle fucking around, and then
he comes in with a goddamn a bucket of Kentucky
Fried chicken and he would sit there during interviews.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
In between interviews, he would go through a buck the
chicken as a snack, and it just, I, you know,
I can't imagine how, you know. Adam Krasnoff of New
Orleans estim corners an interest to.

Speaker 4 (01:59:08):
The rumor that Lex Luger was originally booked to win
the World Time had WrestleMania attend. Rumor is that Lex
leaked the original finish of WrestleMania to a news.

Speaker 2 (01:59:16):
Reporter in a bar the night before d x D.

Speaker 3 (01:59:19):
Okay, well, yeah, Lex originally months out was gonna win
the world title at WrestleMania ten, and then Vinz changed
his mind well before that. And I don't know if
Luger took the leak at the bar of the night
before or leaked to or reporter whatever. If he leaked
the finish, he would have, you know, leaked the original finish.
He might have said, yeah, I was supposed to win it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
I don't know. I've never heard this rumor, but the
point is it wasn't like it was changed overnight. Gotcha
video from Adams here.

Speaker 7 (01:59:44):
And I was wondering, since you've worked with both Owen
Hart and mister Fuji, which one was the bigger river?

Speaker 13 (01:59:51):
And also did they ever.

Speaker 2 (01:59:52):
Get together to try and pull ribs on other people?

Speaker 7 (01:59:54):
Or maybe Owen Hart or mister Fuji would try to
pull ribs on each other.

Speaker 3 (02:00:01):
Okay, well, I think number one, Owen and Fuji were
both smart enough not to rib each other.

Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
I think Owen had so much respect for his seniors
in the business.

Speaker 3 (02:00:09):
That he would not have tried that with Fuji, and
he probably would have put Fuji's over like crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:00:13):
Of Fuji had done it, they never teamed up.

Speaker 3 (02:00:16):
That might have been like matter and anti matter colliding,
the world would not have been able to handle. Fuji
had slowed down quite a bit, you know, because he
was older at the time, and I guess he's in
his seventies now, so he wasn't doing but in his day,
Dennis Conree told me when Fuji wrestled in the Alabama Territory.
I don't know who it was, but this guy comes
out of his apartment and gets in his car and

(02:00:39):
starts to turn his car, or starts his car one day.

Speaker 2 (02:00:43):
Nothing won't turn over. Nothing. He gets out, opens the hood.
He's looking at the parking lot. There's no engine.

Speaker 3 (02:00:48):
Fuji hate somebody to have somebody come and take the
engine out of the guy's car and then paid to
have it put back in.

Speaker 2 (02:00:54):
It's like a thousand dollars fucking rib just to get
to pop out of the guy. So Fuji was a
big time owen.

Speaker 3 (02:01:00):
Owen shit was funny and was more you know, comedic,
but but Fuji's was sharp.

Speaker 2 (02:01:07):
I mean, I've heard of you well, Mark Rand.

Speaker 4 (02:01:11):
And also it's hard you to ask what your favorite
Owen Hart rib was that was either.

Speaker 2 (02:01:16):
Played on you or somebody else.

Speaker 3 (02:01:18):
Well, okay, and then then Eric Smith, we're gonna follow
up on my favorite Owen Heart rib was not even
a rib, but he had such a reputation.

Speaker 2 (02:01:27):
We're sitting once again.

Speaker 3 (02:01:29):
You'd get to TV at nude and there'd be nothing
going on till eight o'clock bell time or whatever except promos.

Speaker 2 (02:01:35):
Local promos we used to do all day.

Speaker 3 (02:01:36):
Long, so we'd be sitting in a fucking room or
in the room next to the promo rooms. I'm sitting
there one day and in comes Owen and Davy and
from the next room, and they're carrying this red phone.

Speaker 2 (02:01:47):
It looked like the Commissioner Gordon bat phone, right.

Speaker 3 (02:01:50):
He is this Alfred, you know, and it's in the
wires out I think it's certainly the wire's not plugged
into anything.

Speaker 2 (02:01:56):
It's just around the corner on the door there. But
he said, Stu wants talk to you. What. Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:02:02):
Now, they've been doing the angle where supposedly Sean was
after Diana and it was going to end up that
it was all a plot by the bulldog that Diana,
his bulldog's wife, had been trying to hit on Shawn.
And then that's where I used the word furnicator for
the first time on WWF maybe the last WWF television.

(02:02:22):
Shawn Michaels, you tried to make this woman break her
sacred marital bounds. You tried to touch her in her
most private places. You have defiled her with your evil
words and deeds.

Speaker 2 (02:02:33):
You, Shawn Michaels, you are a fornicator. Well, actually what
happened was they get started where supposedly Sean is after
Diana or whatever, and so anyway, Owen comes in with
Davy and they got the phone, the red bat phone.
Stu wants to talk to you. What Stu Hart? Hello

(02:02:55):
is this? Said Jim Cornet. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:02:57):
Now, of course Bruce Pritcher does one of the better Stewhart.
I mean, everybody did too hard, right, but Bruce does one.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
Of the better Stu hearts. So I'm thinking it's fucking Bruce.
He's gonna be around the fucking corner. So I'm like, yes, Stude,
what are you doing it?

Speaker 15 (02:03:12):
Just winding way that you're doing this thing with Danna
making her look like a hoo He knew she's making it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:19):
It's fun. The kids and it makes you look like
a hoo. And she's got I said, well, you know
who it is, don't She knew Vince had controller. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:03:29):
It's hits at Bruce Pretcher. You know, he's one of
those fucking preverts. You know, he goes the adult bookstores.
He's wearing the raincoat, he's doing the five knuckle shuffle,
he reads the smut.

Speaker 2 (02:03:39):
Everything with him was about sex and smut and dildo's
and hookers and everything. That's it. This was all his idea.
He itn't get an empty attempt to vincibith this and
he knew that. Bu Yeah, it's all his fault anyway.

Speaker 3 (02:03:55):
So we have just talked for like five minutes, right,
I'm doing, what's he gonna come to the fucking point that.

Speaker 2 (02:04:00):
As soon as I hang up, I said, who the
fuck was that?

Speaker 3 (02:04:03):
And right then Bruce Pritchard walks in from this room,
not the room that the phone courted.

Speaker 2 (02:04:08):
He said, that was stud Owen said that was Stu.
That was my dad. Oh I think I just Bruce.
I think I just told Stu Hart you're a fucking pertner,
you know. Anyway, So it wasn't a room, but it
was a riff wonderful.

Speaker 4 (02:04:20):
Graham mcpail question all the way from Scotland, why does
Jim think Vader, who was managing at the time, was
ultimately a flop? A top line star w F back
in the nineties seemed to tick every box Vince wants
for a big, monster heel.

Speaker 2 (02:04:31):
That just never worked out. I don't think he was
a flop. I don't think he did nearly as well
as he should have. I think part of the problem
was Shawn Michaels.

Speaker 3 (02:04:40):
And Leon was a very He's a big, rough, mean,
you know, former pro football player, and he was a stiff,
hard hitting guy at he was a tough, but he
was a little a little he was a big teddy
bear also personally and you could hurt.

Speaker 2 (02:04:54):
His feelings just like that.

Speaker 3 (02:04:56):
And Shawn Michaels is used to everybody, or was used
to everybody catering to him, and also it was ever
used to people.

Speaker 2 (02:05:03):
Working with him a lot lighter. And I remember one
time it was in fucking Tulsa. It was out of
house show in Tulsa.

Speaker 3 (02:05:11):
There Leon's got him by the hand and he's fucking
peppering him right boom boom boom and all of a sudden,
I see Sean gets out of it and grab some
kind of hold, and there's a conversation. I'm like, what
the fuck? And then they go on and they go
to the finish a couple of minutes later and Leon rolls.
Of course, Leon lost. It's another thing, a big monster,
you know, Frankenstein kicked a few villagers asses first to

(02:05:31):
get over.

Speaker 2 (02:05:34):
Leon rose out. He's crying, said Shawn Michaels told me
if I'd yanked his hair that way, that that'd be
my again, that'd be my job. And he's gonna get
me fired. And then at Summer Slam ninety six, go
back and watch the fucking tape somewhere or another. Shawn's
gonna come off the top of the fucking elbow and.

Speaker 3 (02:05:52):
Leon's supposed to move, and Leon don't move, and Sean
changes gear in midair and fucking lambs right next to
him and screams, move, no asshole or dumb shit or whatever.
Sean Michael, he was just he was unprofessional. He was
always on fucking pills or whatever. And by the way, Sean,
fuck you to the way he fucking talked to me,
The way he talked to jose Latherio got you in

(02:06:13):
the business for the way that you fucking got with
your little clique and fucking exposed the business in Madison
Square Garden.

Speaker 2 (02:06:19):
And coltout and everybody had to count out to you.
And you're finding and you lost your smile, and you
didn't want to do.

Speaker 3 (02:06:25):
Jobs, and wherever you were pilled up doing whatever the
fuck you were doing, you were a fucking asshole in
a prick. And if you found God, that's generally because
I've noticed people in.

Speaker 2 (02:06:33):
This business and find God do so when everybody else.

Speaker 3 (02:06:37):
Hates him so bad they won't speak to him, when
mortals won't speak to you, you.

Speaker 2 (02:06:41):
Find a higher power. But anyway between all this.

Speaker 3 (02:06:44):
Stuff going to Sewan didn't want to work with Leon.
He didn't want to take the fucking ass kicking it
came and working with Leon. They didn't book Leon. Vince
wanted to change his name to the Mastadon. I said,
it's fucking fader. He was a w CW world champion
in the world knows who he is.

Speaker 2 (02:07:01):
Well, we can trademarket he's a big mast it on.
Fuck so Leon, he just didn't fit the guy. The
fucking guys that he was supposed to work with didn't
get him over.

Speaker 5 (02:07:13):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:07:14):
He was Leon was a high maintenance individual also, and
that didn't help him. It just didn't fucking work. The
Michaels insued this chronicle Bye Vader on our ring side,
with Vader disc pick. As a matter of fact, I'd
like to see that as well. You can have it.
I have one in my humans. How long you have
a Gating nine ass? Is the true that Vader never
watched his ring attires? He wants to have his opponents. No,

(02:07:35):
he just never was just ringing tire. He one day.
It wasn't to upset his opponents. It just that ship
with the mask was leather. You can't wash leather. And
his other stuff I've spandex. I don't know how many
outfits he had. They all looked the same to me,
so I have a feeling it was only one. And
maybe you know, you wash something, you wash something. But

(02:07:55):
he's a big man. He sweating a lot of stuff.
Guitar too, must Eno. If you have any good man
to our stories, you know Mike Calik. The reason they're
asking because it's not known by a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (02:08:07):
But I managed him very briefly. I was in a
w WFTV taping and I see this guy walking around
with a fucking what was it?

Speaker 2 (02:08:13):
Was it a bull or was it a what head?

Speaker 3 (02:08:15):
Did he have?

Speaker 2 (02:08:16):
Was it a giant? What was it?

Speaker 7 (02:08:20):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:08:22):
Yeah, yeah, but anyway, you know, had the thing on
like Yukon mouse Cholac in the fucking sixties. And they
came up to me and said, yeah, there's your new guy.
Because I didn't nobody said I was managing this fellow
and I've never seen him before, and that's what And
I thought there was a rib on me. And then
the rib persisted right up to the time he's going

(02:08:43):
go with your guy.

Speaker 3 (02:08:43):
I'm like okay, And I went out there and you know,
a big, impressive looking guy, probably not.

Speaker 2 (02:08:50):
The best timing you know, in the ring, and and
it just didn't fit. And shortly thereafter it it was
you know Brad Dycken's online World Wrestling dot Com your
opinion of I'med Johnson, great googly googly, I'm Ed Johnson.

Speaker 4 (02:09:07):
The opportunity I get today to have you do a
little black for me, we had, we had Ernie lad before.

Speaker 2 (02:09:12):
We're making a ton of money up. Yeah, oh no, no,
I can do some more. Ernie Ladd, let me tell
you something.

Speaker 3 (02:09:19):
I'm the big cat of the lad I'm six ft
nine o way three out of twenty five pounds, and
I covers the ground, I walks on. I'm big enough
to step on toes and keep on walking. Or if
he's gonna give you a finish, or and he would say.

Speaker 15 (02:09:29):
Now, I tell you what you do, Yes, shine him
up a little bit, and then he's gonna get some
heat on him.

Speaker 2 (02:09:35):
You're gonna walkz him across Texas. You're gonna make him
sell like he's going to the electric chair. You're gonna
give him his come back to the locker room.

Speaker 3 (02:09:43):
Or he told Darsa one time, Fat Darso, come over
here set under the Larne and tree.

Speaker 2 (02:09:49):
Ernie was fucking great. Ernie was a classic interview of
all time. I'm Ed Johnson so much less so. I'm
Ed was a great, big looking guy, was kind of
stiff and to rig.

Speaker 3 (02:10:01):
But you could not understand a word that came out
of his mouth. And somewhere or another, I don't know
where it came from. I think it was a commercial
wherevers why I said that, because every time he'd be
on TV starting to talk the guys sitting around the
monitor would go great.

Speaker 2 (02:10:17):
Google it because they couldn't understand the word.

Speaker 4 (02:10:20):
He said, Richard Luck of Camden, London, Dearess Cornett, how
did the WA WWF invasion.

Speaker 2 (02:10:27):
Angle come about?

Speaker 4 (02:10:28):
Thanks for the years of great entertainment and for tearing
Joey styles and very best wishes.

Speaker 2 (02:10:32):
I so much more want you to address the Joey stalks.

Speaker 3 (02:10:35):
Okay, start with well, real quick and this I was
off the creative team by this point, and I think
it was some Vince Frews so fucking I think they were.

Speaker 2 (02:10:42):
I actually think they were fucking with me on this one, folks,
because it was.

Speaker 3 (02:10:46):
Like, well, he's so far in the past, and you
know he's fucking stuck in the eighties or whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:10:50):
Let's have him be cranky and come out.

Speaker 3 (02:10:52):
Leave this contingent of people that were affiliated or associated
with the NWA trying.

Speaker 2 (02:10:57):
To fuck with sports entertainment.

Speaker 3 (02:10:59):
But when I start to do in the fucking interviews,
what people want with wrestling these days is wrestling blah.

Speaker 2 (02:11:05):
This was ten years ago.

Speaker 3 (02:11:07):
They played it on the big screen at raw in
the building that people started cheering and Russell couldn't understand this.

Speaker 2 (02:11:12):
His head was blowing up. Why would wrestling fans.

Speaker 3 (02:11:14):
Shall I'll talk more about later. Why would wrestling fans
want a wrestling on their wrestling show. So then the
Rock and Roll Express or Barry wend.

Speaker 2 (02:11:22):
Number, Jeff Jerry whoever was, they just beat him like
fucking drums. I had Dan Severn.

Speaker 3 (02:11:27):
They managed to make Dan Severn the fucking Beast, the
only triple Crown Oldman Fighting Championship winner ever, a guy
who had a hundred fucking plus amateur and collegiate and
national and world wrestling championships.

Speaker 2 (02:11:39):
They made him a fucking putts.

Speaker 3 (02:11:42):
So it was just I was glad it was over
with it. Didn't want to be a part of it.
And you know, blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (02:11:48):
Oh here we go jolly each other. Oh what follow
up on Joey Style? Joey Styles, Well, I did you know,
I've never had a crossword with Joey Styles. I've not
been around him that much.

Speaker 3 (02:11:58):
I've maybe had three or four conversations with him because
I've never been the same place at the same time.

Speaker 2 (02:12:02):
But I was reading all this stuff that during the
election that he was writing.

Speaker 3 (02:12:07):
He's one of these fucking right wing radical Republicans conservative.
I call them the three seats conservative Christian cocksuckers. Just
because they're miserable in life doesn't mean everybody else has
to be.

Speaker 2 (02:12:19):
And he is. So he's writing all this.

Speaker 3 (02:12:21):
Stuff, brock Hussein Obama, and he's a game, He's born
in Kenya.

Speaker 2 (02:12:25):
He's a fucking Musslim and all this stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:12:27):
And I did my little modest little podcast called Who's
Slamming Who with Tommy Fierro, where I just blistered fucking
Joey Styles, and immediately my downloads doubled, and everybody starts
at any way, right, And I got a few letters
from Republicans, but you know, they couldn't really spell all
the curse words correctly. And then evidently had got back

(02:12:48):
to the office and they made Joey Styles quit twittering
or twattering or.

Speaker 2 (02:12:52):
Tittering or whatever the fuck it is that he was doing.
But you know, and just can I just ask bone question.

Speaker 3 (02:13:01):
I know that a lot of people are just mad
the black guy won, right, And I know that a
lot of people are just fucking miserable. But here you've
got a choice. Okay, let's say you get sick in
the United States of America, supposedly the greatest country in
the world.

Speaker 2 (02:13:14):
You get sick, here's the choices you've got. You get sick,
but you.

Speaker 3 (02:13:18):
Got insurance, so it pays your doctor bills. Or you
get sick and you got insurance, but you got a
pre existing condition.

Speaker 2 (02:13:24):
Or they find a loophole and they don't pay your
doctor bills and you go bankrupt.

Speaker 3 (02:13:27):
Or you get sick and you're self employed, or you're
not insured or whatever, and you go bankrupt.

Speaker 2 (02:13:32):
Or you get sick and you go to the doctor
and the government pays for it some way or another.

Speaker 3 (02:13:40):
The Republicans have managed to prey upon people that are
so mad that the black guy won that they would
rather go bankrupt to preserve the glory of the United
States of America than to fucking have the government to
pay for their fucking health care. I've paid approximately probably
a million and a half dollars in income tax over
the last two twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (02:14:00):
If I get sick, they would have a nurse come
to my house and blow me for free. Fuck you,
fuck you Republican.

Speaker 3 (02:14:08):
You're fucking old, rich, white, crooked assholes. They don't like
if you're gay, you ain't in a fucking club Oh,
gay people can't get married and be miserable like the
rest of us. No, because that's a sin against God.
If you're black, they don't want you. A Hispanic, they
don't want you. Fucking not religious. They really don't want
you because George Carlin or fucking Bill Meyer or somebody

(02:14:29):
might smarten up your fucking suckers.

Speaker 2 (02:14:32):
What the fuck's going on that you're fucking doing to them.

Speaker 3 (02:14:35):
So if you're not in the club, which is basically rich, white, crooked,
Republican and generally old, they don't want you. Guess what
we would like to have something for our taxes. We
would like to have people talking to us instead about us.
George Bush bungled the goddamn war. We have still almost

(02:14:55):
ten years later, have still not even begun to fucking
find the guy that did it.

Speaker 2 (02:14:59):
But we bought it. You broke it, You broke it,
you bought it. We broke a fucking country. Now we
bought that. They didn't have anything to fucking do with it.

Speaker 3 (02:15:06):
Sure they were fucking kave people with automatic weapons, but
they weren't gonna do anything.

Speaker 2 (02:15:10):
Immediately, find the guy that fucked with you first, before
you go out. Change in the fucking world, Bush and
Cheney and the rest of these fucking morons, we're trying
to wage a holy war.

Speaker 3 (02:15:20):
My God's dick is bigger than your God. No one
of the Muslims want to blow us up and fuck
with us because they think that we're trying to take
their God away from them.

Speaker 2 (02:15:29):
I got news for you. I don't believe in the supernatural.

Speaker 3 (02:15:32):
I don't believe in a supreme being an invisible man
in the sky. But if I did and somebody from
fucking iraqer khu Wait came over and said, well, we're
you're wrong and we're gonna fuck your god up, well
that I'm fighting for my god right, which is what
Bush and Cheney did. They have instigated a holy war
between the Muslims and the Christians when in actuality, as

(02:15:53):
John Lennon.

Speaker 2 (02:15:54):
Said, imagine there's no religion. It's easy if you try,
no hell, blow us above it only sky.

Speaker 3 (02:16:01):
Let's work on not fucking blowing each other up first, morons.

Speaker 2 (02:16:05):
Maybe that would be a fucking thought for the elected
officials of the various countries of the world. Just don't
blow each other up.

Speaker 3 (02:16:11):
Don't worry about who goes to church on Sunday or
fucking who's fucking who?

Speaker 2 (02:16:16):
Or what sex they are, what color they are, whatever,
Just don't blow each other up, and maybe give us
a doctor every once in a while.

Speaker 3 (02:16:23):
Two hundred and fifty dollars antibiotics for eight days for
a sinus infection, right, Just give us.

Speaker 2 (02:16:27):
A doctor every once in a while.

Speaker 3 (02:16:29):
Don't let the pharmaceutical companies focus in the ass, don't
let the politicians focus in the ass, and.

Speaker 2 (02:16:34):
Don't blow us up. We'll take care of the other shit.
I've noticed that the Democrats are more the.

Speaker 3 (02:16:39):
Ones I see on television, are more like people I'd
like to sit in the same room with, and the
Republicans are more like people that I would like to
set fire to.

Speaker 2 (02:16:48):
He's down about ten pounds too, talking about that before
get me off the sugar. You see, I'm not very
fucking He's calm, you know. Okay, Let's see what the
Jimmy James has to say for us today.

Speaker 16 (02:17:02):
Okay, all right, mister cornette, it's an honor to speak
with you, Jimmy jameson from off Themarchshow dot com.

Speaker 12 (02:17:08):
And I just I just want to give you a
book about the Midnight Express and the Chief plug here.

Speaker 2 (02:17:12):
I haven't picked it up yet.

Speaker 13 (02:17:14):
Before I do, I just want to ask you how
many chapters do you.

Speaker 16 (02:17:18):
Have devoted to the new Midnight Friends with the Bombastic
Bob Holly and Bodesious bart Gun.

Speaker 13 (02:17:25):
I really hope they didn't make the cut because they
kind of sucked, Dick.

Speaker 3 (02:17:29):
Was it Bombastic Bob and Bodacious Barter? Bodacious Bob and bombaskas.

Speaker 2 (02:17:34):
Was bombastic Bob? What? Okay, this is gonna be a
real quick story. I'm at home. I'm off the creative
team at this point in the WWF. I'm at home
in Stamford. I'm working in the office with other shit.

Speaker 3 (02:17:45):
And it had to get to Vince that the entire
time that I worked for Vince McMahon, when I was
managing Yo Kazuna as world champion, I'm managing Owen and
Davy whatever, when I would.

Speaker 2 (02:17:54):
Travel with Vince because it's time.

Speaker 3 (02:17:56):
When I was first on the creative team, it was me,
Bruce Pritchard, Jim Ross, and Bess Man in the card
and the TVs.

Speaker 2 (02:18:01):
We go in the convenience store, we go in the hotel. Whatever.
Everybody says Jim Cornett mid Nut Express, not Jim.

Speaker 3 (02:18:07):
Cornett Yo Kazuna. Jim Cornett owned that Jim Cornett Midnut Express.
Obviously right. He had to wonder.

Speaker 2 (02:18:14):
So one day, phone rings, I'm pick it up the
bat phone. Nobody has his number picking up into my house.
What it's Vince All. We're thinking about putting together a
new Midnight Express. What why? Well, Bobby, Holly and Bart
Gun We don't have anything for them to do. We
think they'll be a good tag team.

Speaker 3 (02:18:30):
I'm thinking that there's him and Russo wherever they're sitting around.
Russo's trying to fire out some way to fuck with me.
Either that or he's just wondering why everybody recognizes me
for the Midnight Express.

Speaker 2 (02:18:40):
Could he didn't he'd never seen the Midnut Express because
he never watched the wrestler. So anyway, I call Bobby Eatonus. Bobby,
here's what they want to do. What do you think?
I said? Is it okay with you? Because I didn't
want them guys not to get.

Speaker 3 (02:18:55):
A spot, and also I'm trying to be the fucking
company guy, all right, and I've gotten out of that
state of mind the past few years. Bobby said, Nah,
Corneus Wrestling, do whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (02:19:04):
To do.

Speaker 3 (02:19:05):
So we try to put together and I have them
come up and to teach them some midnight Express tag
team moves. It's not that they weren't accomplished workers, but
they've never been a tag team.

Speaker 2 (02:19:13):
So we got to have some basis.

Speaker 3 (02:19:14):
Started taught them some been to express moves, and then
they come up with what It didn't have to be illiterative,
didn't have to be bombastic Bob and Bodesia's Bart. It
was beautiful Bobby and sweet stand but it was also
a lover boy Dennis.

Speaker 2 (02:19:27):
It just worked out that way. That was them.

Speaker 3 (02:19:29):
There was nothing bombastic or Bodesia's about Bart and Bob
and so at any rate.

Speaker 2 (02:19:35):
Then they started using them as a team.

Speaker 3 (02:19:37):
And then finally I was on the road going to
the shows with him for about a month and then
combination of.

Speaker 2 (02:19:43):
Two things happened.

Speaker 3 (02:19:44):
One Russo came up with that ridiculous Brawl for All
that not only destroyed Steve Williams's career but cost the
WWF between five and ten million dollars in one night,
which I actually brought up to him. I said, hey,
well there, what do you think now, Russo? You fucking
cost the company ten million in one night with your
fucking stupid idea and got everybody hurt because you know,

(02:20:06):
as wats you say, if Vince Russo was walking through
a men's locker room, you'd be whistling stranger in paradise.

Speaker 2 (02:20:10):
He's never been in a fight or an athletic contest.

Speaker 3 (02:20:13):
He's a piece of fucking shit that blames the boys
for his shortcomings.

Speaker 2 (02:20:17):
But anyway, he booked Bob Holly against Bart Gunn.

Speaker 3 (02:20:21):
And the brawl for all, thinking, well, that'll be intriguing
because now these two partners that have been together for
five fucking weeks are gonna have a real fight amongst
each other. And secondly, we were in Atlantic City, New Jersey,
at the oldest where they used to have the Miss
America pageant. Right first match of the night, midnight to
the New mid Express loses.

Speaker 2 (02:20:39):
I can't remember. It might have been to the head Bangers,
and I love the Headbangers, gave them that gimmick and
loved Glenn and Chaz this day. But I went back
and there's Jim Ross working on his book. No, I
didn't go by. I went Monday, a TV that was
Saturday out Atlantic City. Monday. I went up and said
guess what. Jim Cordett officially retires as a manager again.

(02:20:59):
I don't need money this bad.

Speaker 3 (02:21:00):
I'm fucking My Midnight Express team is doing a job
in the first match in Atlantic City and they're not
even the Midnight Express. And now they're gonna be fighting
each other on television, which means that the team is
out the fucking window.

Speaker 2 (02:21:14):
Oh no, we're not gonna break them up there just
because this is RUSS, because this is real. They want the.

Speaker 3 (02:21:18):
Money, No, fuck you for any amount of money. Tag
team partners don't fight each other if they're a great
tag team. So anyway, I re retired as a manager
and they had to fight, and they never had another
tag team match.

Speaker 2 (02:21:31):
Eric Smith during the Monday Night War was in WWF
Aaron Nitro in the back for the boys to watch.

Speaker 3 (02:21:36):
No, no, they were keeping an eye on it in
a truck, but the they were hoping the boys were
watching what they were actually doing.

Speaker 2 (02:21:44):
Anthony Melinzach how long? How long were you a booker
in WWE and what idea is that you came up with?
Didwweus other than Helen is Sell Well?

Speaker 3 (02:21:55):
I was on a creative team from February of ninety
six until I believe de December of ninety seven. Yeah,
I mean I had I threw finishes in or tweaked things.
The thing is, you had to pass everything by Vince.
And there was a problem with first when it was

(02:22:15):
me and Bruce Pritchard. Bruce would always tell me all
events ain't gonna like that.

Speaker 2 (02:22:19):
Well, well let's ask him.

Speaker 3 (02:22:20):
Oh no, no, no, no. Bruce thought he knew, and
I loved Bruce. I don't know problem, but Bruce thought
he knew what Vince wasn't gonna like. And chances are
he's probably right.

Speaker 2 (02:22:27):
And I loved Pat Patterson and Pass was a great talent,
a great worker, and.

Speaker 3 (02:22:32):
Was the mastermind behind the Royal Rumble and could do
great battle royals. But when Bruce and Pat would get together,
it all had to be funny, and it did cross
over from funny to silly, and they were just entertaining
themselves and I was tearing my fucking hair out. And then,
you know, then you couldn't do anything without Vince McMahon
blessing it. And then when Russo came on, because the

(02:22:54):
way that Russo got his fucking spot on the creative team,
he had sucked up and he was a magazine editor,
and came Spell. He's a magazine editor, came fucking Spell,
came fucking Rite. But he was constantly pitching these ideas,
and finally they did a raw, and I believe it
was it was probably like February or March, early of
ninety seven.

Speaker 2 (02:23:15):
Overseas.

Speaker 3 (02:23:16):
They just taped a show with lousy equipment and lousy lighting.
It was just a cold ass, fucking house show with
no angle matches and no interviews, and they taped it
and brought it over and we voiced it, and I
knew it sucked when I knew it sucked when I.

Speaker 2 (02:23:29):
Voiced it, because I was doing a commentary.

Speaker 3 (02:23:31):
I was believed with Jim Ross that night, but I
knew when I heard what they were gonna do that
it was gonna be the shits.

Speaker 2 (02:23:35):
Could why go overseas and fucking shoot a raw house
show and bring it back in airdis raw?

Speaker 3 (02:23:39):
It was just bad, But that was the the what's
the opposite of apex the low point, the lowest rating
ever for a raw. While the other guys were kicking
ass and instead of saying, okay, we shouldn't have shot
an overseas show and put a bunch of cold matches
with bad lighting and commentary Dunn in the studio, over
the top the tape on television.

Speaker 2 (02:24:01):
And shot at his raw.

Speaker 3 (02:24:03):
Vince McMahon decided, Oh goddamn, now we gotta do something.
Fuck all this shit, Vince Russo, you've been standing over here, sataway.

Speaker 2 (02:24:08):
I have dogs fucking.

Speaker 3 (02:24:09):
Each other and transvest knights and all this other shit,
So come on over here, and Vince Russo he would
sit outside Vince McMahon's fucking office till nine o'clock at night.
He would blow off his kids fucking softball games with
these stacks of paper, try and get.

Speaker 2 (02:24:24):
And Vince McMahon was desperate because.

Speaker 3 (02:24:26):
All of a sudden he's getting beat and he never
gets beat, and Nitro's beating him in the ratings. Instead
of just having some good fucking wrestling with some good
fucking wrestlers, Now he's got to reinvent the wheel. So
the two of those fucking heads get together talk about
matter and antimatter. And then I was having to sit
there in a room with the one guy who's the boss,
who you can talk to when you get a chance,
But he's listened to whoever he's listening to at.

Speaker 2 (02:24:48):
The time, he hears better. And I got this guy who.

Speaker 3 (02:24:51):
I'm trying to explain what a fucking hammerlock is to.
Because Vince Russo. I was there the first night he
was inside the rail. He was doing commentary for fucking
WWF New York because with that New York accent, he's
got the people on Channel nine. We're the only ones
that could understand what the fuck he was saying. My
ex one time was like, I don't understand a goddamn word.
He said, what the fuck's he's saying? Anyway he doing

(02:25:14):
to do it on camera? He sits inside the rail
and this was he's already on the creative team and
we're coming. He set the desk right inside of the
rail and coming back he said that was cool. I
said what he said being inside the rail for a match.
He's writing the fucking show and he's got a woody
because he was inside the guard rail for the first
time ever while a wrestling match was going on. So

(02:25:36):
I'm trying to deal with him, and I'm starting to
get a fucking twitch because he knows nothing and he
doesn't want to know anything, and he thinks he knows
what he's fucking doing.

Speaker 2 (02:25:44):
And yes, okay, when we shoot an.

Speaker 3 (02:25:45):
Angle in November between the Undertaker and Kane, but they're
not gonna have a match into a fucking March.

Speaker 2 (02:25:52):
Naturally, when Caine gets.

Speaker 3 (02:25:54):
Heat on the Undertaker, the Undertaker the next week has
to choke slam Kane through a fucking announcer's table. I said, okay,
that's a middle of November. What are we gonna do
to Land of March, you fucking idiot?

Speaker 2 (02:26:06):
Anyway, so what was the question?

Speaker 3 (02:26:09):
I don't even know what ideas do I come up with.
I threw in finishes. I'm sure some of you would
have seen some of them. I had ideas about guys.

Speaker 2 (02:26:18):
They left me alone with Kin for quite a bit
of his first introduction. I was real proud of that,
and it'd be quite honest.

Speaker 3 (02:26:26):
My original thought of Cain was Michael Myers in Halloween,
my favorite harror movie. I thought that maybe the vignettes
you would see through the eye holes and you would
hear the muffled breathing, and you would see pictures of.

Speaker 2 (02:26:39):
The Undertaker, although like the serial killer thing, like the
Omen with the Bible pages all over the walls, and
just hear and you know that type of thing. Of course,
they superheroed him all out.

Speaker 3 (02:26:52):
But the way that he debuted on a hell of
sealth Saint Louis Bad Blood was a combination of Kevin
Sullivan's idea is that he'd already used and things that
I seen.

Speaker 2 (02:27:03):
The hell in a cell cage was the old Memphis cage.

Speaker 3 (02:27:06):
Where it encompassed the entire ringside area, and it was
the Wargames cage because it had a top one.

Speaker 2 (02:27:13):
And how did.

Speaker 3 (02:27:14):
Kevin Sullivan's booker in Knoxville introduce Doug furnas the World's
Strongest Man?

Speaker 2 (02:27:18):
Is a babyface?

Speaker 3 (02:27:19):
On Christmas Night of eighty seven in Knoxville, when the
Heels were kicking a shit out of the baby face,
here comes Doug furnas University of Tennessee football hero and
rips the door off the cage. Never been done since
I said, motherfucker. How about the Undertaker's brother, who we've
heard about but haven't.

Speaker 2 (02:27:34):
Seen yet makes his debut.

Speaker 3 (02:27:36):
But Shawn Michael's the Undertaker and Helen of Sale And
here comes Cain, rips the door off, confronts his fucking brother.
Tombstone's his fucking brother. Shawn Michael's wins, we get out
of that fucking deal. Shawn Michaels has always got a win,
otherwise he won't show up. And then Undertaker and Kane
have this big program and that worked, and then we
started to having and Caine couldn't be just a wrestler

(02:28:00):
because then he's he's not fucking a monster, he's one
of the boys. So instead of booking even matches, a
match is going on, and the fucking boom, the music
hits and the red lighting and here comes fucking Kane
and goddamn choke slams people and does all this stuff
and says it's gonna be on your head Undertaker. Undertaker
won't fight his brother, but Kane says, I'm going to

(02:28:20):
fucking demolish everybody until I force you to fight me.

Speaker 2 (02:28:23):
This is what takes us to WrestleMania.

Speaker 3 (02:28:24):
Of course, Russo, mister fucking wrestling is going to have
the choke slam through the announcers table two weeks after
the fucking Angler, we got three months.

Speaker 2 (02:28:31):
To go, four months and going all that shit. But
it was great and actually the highlight and this was Gaga,
but it was funny.

Speaker 3 (02:28:37):
It was funny Gaga every week on TV, Kane appears
by the red lights going on and the music going
and he comes down and destroys everybody that said a
ring right, he'll babyface referee.

Speaker 2 (02:28:49):
He don't give a fuck. The apex of that was
when we had the fucking Mexican Minies and a six
man mini match with Sonny as referee. And by the way,
I'm trying to lay that match out in a basement.

Speaker 3 (02:29:02):
Of a small building that we were in where there's
water pipes like this, and I'm trying to show Sonny
how to leap frog the fucking midget. But anyway, when
those midgets are running around doing their spots and Sonny's
in her reveree shorts with their snave, it's and all
of a sudden, the music hits and that red light,
here comes Cane and the firero blows.

Speaker 2 (02:29:19):
People just shit themselves.

Speaker 3 (02:29:21):
That was that's humor and red and then the fucking
midgets run everywhere, and of course he didn't earn any
of them.

Speaker 2 (02:29:28):
But that's funny, entertaining wrestling stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:29:31):
It doesn't have to be silly, it doesn't have to
expose the business's phony.

Speaker 2 (02:29:34):
It's just.

Speaker 3 (02:29:36):
When we're in twelve feet of snow, right, when somebody's
walking across the street and you're sitting in a fucking
restaurant at a table or whatever, you're watching them, and
they fucking slip and they fall, and a fucking grocery
bag goes.

Speaker 2 (02:29:49):
Up in the air and the canps come down to
hit them in the head. You laugh, right, you laugh
the father they got fuckers lip and fell.

Speaker 3 (02:29:56):
But not if the guy with the grocery bag walking
across the street walks and all of a sudden stops
and looks to make sure people are watching him, and
then takes a big fucking bump on purpose.

Speaker 2 (02:30:06):
That hea't fucking funny because he just doing it to
fucking tickle you. It's the shit that he just strikes
you as funny that should be funny in wrestling. Anyway.
I got off real good, techa, Dravalin at for w Online.
How often did you talk to Dave Meltzer when you
were on the booking crew for WWA?

Speaker 3 (02:30:22):
Actually not as much as I usually have before or since,
because he fucking he knocked my fucking.

Speaker 2 (02:30:28):
Pay per view match with Jose Letherio and also my
fucking weight. At that point in time, I was pissed
at him. But I was aggravation eating.

Speaker 3 (02:30:35):
I got up two hundred and seventy eight pounds at
my height in WWF, I would eat three four fucking dinners.

Speaker 2 (02:30:40):
I was just eating like I'm a chill fucking Russo.
I hate his fucking shit. I hate fucking Connecticut. I
want to go home. Blah blah blah. Guitar dude. Courtesy
of Figure four online. What was your part slash knowledge
of the Brett hartscred job? Oh and I slash hate
slash Russo. I like you as at. The Observer listed
Jim as one of the few in that meeting days before,

(02:31:03):
along with j R. And Shawn Michaels, whoa no Shawn
Michaels when he were in the meeting. See here's the thing.
There's no way we could even begin to cover this.

Speaker 3 (02:31:16):
Dave Meltzer did a wrestlers, several wrestling observers in its
entirety on this.

Speaker 2 (02:31:21):
But Shawn didn't want to put Brett over. Brett didn't want.

Speaker 3 (02:31:24):
To put Seawan over because Shawn has always had always
told Brett that he would never put him over.

Speaker 2 (02:31:29):
Vince trying to get the fucking match of the ring.
Vince signed Brett to a contract.

Speaker 3 (02:31:33):
That he couldn't fucking fulfill and then gave breath the
option to fucking negotiate with w CW, but forgot to
take the belt off of him. Brett's gonna take a
job with w CW, but he still got the fucking belt.

Speaker 2 (02:31:45):
Shawn has acted like a fucking two year old kid.

Speaker 3 (02:31:49):
I don't blame Brett, to be quite honest, for not
wanting to put the fucking prick over, because he always
told Brett, I'll never put you over. But by the
same token, here's Shawn making a fucking million dollars a year,
whatever the fuck he was making.

Speaker 2 (02:32:01):
Okay, maybe he was only seven to fifty I'm sorry,
mister Christian. And there's Brett leaving a.

Speaker 3 (02:32:06):
Job where he's making a million and a half going
to get a job where he's making two and a
half million. Meanwhile, I am sitting at Vince McMahon's fucking
kitchen table every goddamn Wednesday for twelve hours with Vince
McMahon and Vince Russo wanted to blow my fucking.

Speaker 2 (02:32:18):
Brains out for one hundred and fucking twenty five grand
or whatever. So I really did. There was no babyface.
It was a heel program as far as I was concerned,
and Sean.

Speaker 3 (02:32:27):
Was always on the phone with Vince and then Brett
will be on. Vince was trying to work everything out.
Russo was sitting there as he usually does with deer
caught in the headlights, fucking pieplate eyes and not knowing
what fucking do.

Speaker 2 (02:32:38):
And I was fucking fed up with the whole thing.
And basically, they ran eighteen finishes.

Speaker 3 (02:32:42):
By and the night before Montreal, I suggested a bunch
everybody suggested no finish was good enough for anybody involved
in this fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (02:32:51):
And Vincent McMahon had.

Speaker 3 (02:32:53):
Told story after your story to each person that he
was gonna go with them, and then they were mad
when he wasn't. So basically I asked him the night
before in the production meeting, I said, have you got
to finished?

Speaker 2 (02:33:03):
He said yes. I said good, That's all I needed
to fucking know.

Speaker 3 (02:33:06):
And I watched leg and I as soon as I
saw it, I'm sending it the monitor, and I knew
what a fucking double cross was, by god, Russo didn't.
Russo didn't even know the fucking phrase until I said, well,
here's a double cross?

Speaker 2 (02:33:17):
What? Uh? But I said everybody go, it's how you
got out of it?

Speaker 3 (02:33:21):
And I grabbed my bag and hit the fucking car.
I was out before they even got back from the ring.
I beat heaven Or out of the building.

Speaker 2 (02:33:29):
Not because I was Afraidie Budy's going to punch me.

Speaker 3 (02:33:31):
Out, because I didn't want to be involved in the
old goddamn thing.

Speaker 2 (02:33:35):
It was fucking stupid. Here's a bunch of fucking millionaires
arguing about a goddamn finish a fucking wrestling match.

Speaker 4 (02:33:42):
And well, to follow up on that, Marco connoll ast,
how did you have resolved the Montreal situation? How'd you
been in mcmhon's shoes and then I Owen died? Would
you have continued to show at the buck stop?

Speaker 2 (02:33:53):
Two different questions? Take Montreal first, Montreal first.

Speaker 3 (02:33:57):
Before I told Brett I can't pay you the amount
of money I've promised to pay you on this contract,
I would have said, Brett, I need you to drop
the belt.

Speaker 2 (02:34:05):
Fucking I even suggest to put Ken Shamrock in a
fucking ring with.

Speaker 3 (02:34:09):
Him if you don't want to drop the fucking belt,
because he'll beat a piss out of Seawan Michaels.

Speaker 2 (02:34:13):
Brett Hart could beat Shawn Michaels fucking silly that he
wouldn't even know what fucking hit him. I said, if
you're afraid, ain't gonna drop a boogeym with Shamrock for
fock's sake. But I would have taken the belt off
of Brett, and then I would have.

Speaker 3 (02:34:25):
Said, Brett, I'm a fucking idiot. I promise you, I
can't I can pay you this money.

Speaker 2 (02:34:29):
I can't pay you.

Speaker 3 (02:34:30):
So let's you and need work together and see if
we can get some fucking Bischoff's money for you.

Speaker 2 (02:34:34):
Take care of you, and thank you very much. That
would have been easy. But then the belt and then
the Shawn Michaels thing.

Speaker 3 (02:34:40):
There was no way Brett Hart was gonna put Shawn
Michael's over, and there's no way Shawn Michael's.

Speaker 2 (02:34:44):
Gonna put Brett Hart over. That's what the whole fucking
dealing with it.

Speaker 3 (02:34:47):
As a company in the old days, if the fans
had a sensed that, then they would have got together
and done the biggest business ever.

Speaker 2 (02:34:53):
But no, they really just didn't like each other, didn't
give him.

Speaker 10 (02:34:56):
But as a former company owner and a booker, yourself loss.

Speaker 2 (02:35:01):
Was that at the last straw position there.

Speaker 10 (02:35:06):
I mean, I assume as a as a as a book,
you only pull out the screwjob.

Speaker 2 (02:35:09):
When you have Oh yeah, it was good. You know
it was gonna be the last straw one way or
the other. Yeah, yeah, you know. And Vince always said
his father always said get the match in the ring.
And that's the old time promoters credo, get the match
in the ring. But sure wanted book to fucking match.
You should have known there was going to be troubles.
How did we get there? I was, I was in

(02:35:29):
the fucking meetings, and.

Speaker 3 (02:35:30):
When when everybody was writing those names down, nobody had said,
oh but goddamn, there's gonna be trouble.

Speaker 2 (02:35:36):
And then all of a sudden, suits they make the match.
Nobody wants to fucking do it. And plus, Vince McMahon
has always catered to fucking people. I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (02:35:46):
He gives them the opinion that they're superstars, even the
fucking guys.

Speaker 2 (02:35:49):
The last ten years, he's ruined their fucking.

Speaker 3 (02:35:51):
Head because now they're comedians and character actors and entertainers
and movie stars and all this. No other wrestlers. I
was a wrestling manager that I became a wrestling booker.
You're fucking wrestlers.

Speaker 2 (02:36:02):
That's what we do. We're in the wrestling business. I'm
proud of it.

Speaker 3 (02:36:05):
Don't know why everybody else ain't. But I haven't seen
a lot of goddamn great Thespians.

Speaker 2 (02:36:10):
Maybe a few of the divas are Thespians. We just
don't know it yet.

Speaker 3 (02:36:12):
And Owen, yes, boom stopped on the spot. Tay, what
if I have bucket stopped with me, Owen wouldn't have
been up there. It's no think Vince Russell. But maybe
that's why he found God because he killed Owen Hart.
Fuck you, Vince Russo. Owen Hart would have not been
up one of the best wrestlers on the fucking roster,
had done everything.

Speaker 2 (02:36:31):
He didn't want to be up there.

Speaker 3 (02:36:32):
It was Vince Russo's silly ass idea that a great
wrestler like Owen Hart needs something to get over and
go to do the Blue Blazer because it was funny because.

Speaker 2 (02:36:42):
He did it before. Ten years he goes, we need
to do it again because everybody remembers. See here's the
thing with vis Ruso. Everybody remembers Chief J.

Speaker 3 (02:36:49):
Strongbow's social Security number. If it happened at the Nassau
Coliseum in nineteen seventy four. Everybody remembers that, but if
it's NWA history from fucking ten years ago, wow, who
whatever ever?

Speaker 2 (02:37:00):
Or something like that. He fucking moron. But he'd put
Owen in.

Speaker 3 (02:37:03):
The blue blazer outfit and he fucking hung him up there,
and Owen didn't want to fucking do it. He didn't
want to do the run through, he didn't want to
do the whole goddamn thing. He thought he was stupid,
but he was trying.

Speaker 2 (02:37:11):
To be a company guy.

Speaker 3 (02:37:13):
And Vince McMahon, I'm sorry, but you tolerated Vince Russo
doing shit like that and fucking your company up and
then fucking you and then.

Speaker 2 (02:37:21):
Going down and putting WCW out of business.

Speaker 3 (02:37:23):
Everybody who tolerates Vince Russo, in my opinion, gets what
they deserve. And I admit some culpability in letting Jeff
Dutch hell, and I still like Dutch. I ain't too
warm on Jeff right now. I love you Jeffrey as
a person, and I love your grandmother and your father
started me in a business. But big rib Jeff talking
me into fucking coexisting with Vince Russo for three fucking years.

(02:37:44):
I told you how it was going to turn out,
and it turned out that way just took longer than
I thought. And also, by the way, Dixie Carter, you
employed Vince Russo about forty million dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:37:54):
Your father's money that he dug up out.

Speaker 3 (02:37:55):
Of the ground has been thrown back in a fucking
oil well, that fucking Vince Russo, because you're too stupid
to fucking figure out that everybody else in the business
ain't wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:38:04):
You are. Vince Russo is a fucking idiot. But anyway, so, yes,
I would have stopped the fucking show. Eric Smith, did
you get along with Triple Edge, Yeah? I did until.

Speaker 3 (02:38:16):
When he first got there, you know. I mean it
was one of the guys, you know, fine, et cetera.
I was in the fucking office.

Speaker 2 (02:38:21):
He was one of the boys when they did that
curtain call thing. And I mean I wasn't the only one, Matt.
I was throwing my fucking suit bag down to goddamn Madison.

Speaker 3 (02:38:28):
Square Garden hallway. I assume everybody knows what the curtain
call is. I don't need to go into it.

Speaker 2 (02:38:33):
Jerry Briscoe was kicking fucking walls. He wanted to fucking
stretch all of them. As soon as they came back.

Speaker 3 (02:38:38):
Everybody was fucking hot because it was they took a
shit on Vince McMahon's dining room table, the guy that
was paying them. The Madison Square Garden Show was to
his father and to him at that time, the yardstick
measured success in a business. And just because they had
their little billionaire boys tree club, they had to go
out and expose the business and have a big fucking
circle jerk and okay, he was Vince McMahon going to discipline.

(02:39:02):
It was Kevin Nash's last night. It was Scott Hall's
last night. Sewn Michaels was the champion. So Hunter Hurst Helmsley,
who was supposed to.

Speaker 2 (02:39:12):
Win the King of the Ring didn't win.

Speaker 3 (02:39:14):
The King of the Ring cost him about one hundred
one hundred fifty thousand dollars that year probably and what
he would have made and what he did make.

Speaker 2 (02:39:19):
He was punished because he went along with the other
four or other three fucking guys.

Speaker 3 (02:39:26):
So I actually went up to him. I said, look,
I said, you made a mistake. You let these other guys.
I said, who got punished? You got punished.

Speaker 2 (02:39:33):
I told Elmsley this, I said, because he ain't gonna
fucking discipline Sean, because he's a champion. What's he going
to do to halland Nash? So you got it?

Speaker 3 (02:39:40):
So you let these guys get you to a position.
He should have done it. You should on the business.
All the guys were hot at you, and he had
been told to apologize. He went around and apologize to everybody,
to all the boys. Helmsley did, and he apologized to me, Sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:39:53):
I should have done that. It was fucking bullshit.

Speaker 3 (02:39:55):
Blah blah blah. Seemed very genuine. What happens come well,
years goes by. Well, meanwhile, also Steve Austin.

Speaker 2 (02:40:03):
Wins the ninety six King of the Ring. So thank
you because the Curtain Call, if nothing.

Speaker 3 (02:40:08):
Else, gave us one of the biggest stars and a well,
the biggest star in the history of the business. But
then a couple of years goes by and now Russo's
work shoot shits in full mode and there they play
some fans camcorder on raw of the Curtain Call and
helps He said, I apologize, but I knew we were
revolutionizing the business.

Speaker 2 (02:40:28):
He never meant it. He was a fucking kiss ass
and a suck up.

Speaker 3 (02:40:31):
Then he's apparently well, now he doesn't need to kiss
ass and suck up because he's licking the right crack,
so therefore he doesn't need to suck anybody. But the
point is, he didn't meet it when he apologized to me.
He didn't meet it when he apologized to the boys.
He didn't mean it when he was saying he was
sorry that he.

Speaker 2 (02:40:46):
Exposed the business.

Speaker 3 (02:40:48):
And so you know he's got As his brow increases
from steroid or hghus, so does his.

Speaker 2 (02:40:56):
Ego from fucking being irreplacement because he's got the keys
of the kingdom, because he's fucking.

Speaker 3 (02:41:03):
Married to the boss's daughter, who took the job as
head of Creative straight out of college. I think Stefan
he's a bright girl and I never read a cross
word with her, But she needs to be the head
of Creative like I need to be the head of
fucking NASA, because I know as much about the fucking
hubbles face tell lescope, but she knows about fucking booking wrestling.

Speaker 2 (02:41:21):
It's fucking ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (02:41:22):
Nepotism and fucking corporations have would have led us to
where we are in the wrestling business. Which is why
Dana White and the UFC are kicking all of our asses,
because they're doing pro wrestling from thirty years ago and
they're doing it better than we are.

Speaker 2 (02:41:38):
No, let me say one more thing about the words ahead.

Speaker 3 (02:41:41):
I've got to bring this up before we go into
volume six. Vince Russo recently, this is one another thing.
Vince Russo recently gets on the fucking Internet and he's
he's mad because somebody actually called him on his shit
and said, by the way, one of those two hour
TNA Impact shows only had sixteen minutes of fucking wrestling
in a two hour show. So he gets on he's

(02:42:02):
promoting a book. I wasn't aware of Vince Russo had
ever read a book. I'm spressed he's written one.

Speaker 2 (02:42:06):
But he's promoting his fucking book and he says, I
have so many things I want to do with my life.
I want to make my father laugh, I want to
play baseball with my kids, I want to blah blah
blah blah blah. I can't imagine how anybody could have such.

Speaker 3 (02:42:21):
A miserable life that they would sit there with a
stopwatch and time how many minutes of fake wrestling or
in a fake wrestling show. That's an exact quote from
Vince Russo puts this on the Internet. Of course, immediately
the shit storm starts, and I guess people in the company,
I know task thank you tas a lot of people
in the company outside the company fans people in the business.

Speaker 2 (02:42:42):
So the very next week he's back on his Twitter,
his Internet, or.

Speaker 3 (02:42:45):
Whatever the fuck he is, with this heartfelt apology about
how he didn't realize what he was saying.

Speaker 2 (02:42:49):
He just a New Yorker. He shot his mouth off.

Speaker 3 (02:42:53):
And it's not that he doesn't like wrestling. It's just
that he doesn't like fake kind of wrestling. It's why
he likes to try to write all his shows.

Speaker 2 (02:43:00):
To be real.

Speaker 3 (02:43:01):
And he's a he doesn't like the word booker. He's
a TV writer. He hates the word booker. See, we
couldn't be more opposite. We are diametrically opposed. We are
the bizarrow.

Speaker 2 (02:43:11):
Component of each other. He's a Northerner. I'm a Southerner.
He wants to be a writer. I wanted to be
a booker. He's a Christian. I'm an atheist. He hates wrestling.

Speaker 3 (02:43:20):
I love wrestling. If one of us was a black
lesbian nun. We'd have it all fucking covered. But anyway,
I don't know what I'm more astonished by that Vince
Russell was completely utterly gobsmacked to hear that what he
wrote was offensive to everybody that's ever made a diamond
a wrestling business, or everybody's ever considered themselves a wrestling fan, or.

Speaker 2 (02:43:44):
Whether I'm more astonished.

Speaker 17 (02:43:46):
That he genuinely, delusionally literally believes that he is once
in his life, written a wrestling show that anybody could
possibly believe was real.

Speaker 3 (02:43:58):
I go first into flames whenever I hear things that
he says, whenever I hear his voice, whenever I look
at him.

Speaker 2 (02:44:06):
It's it's like it's it's it's like a sudden itching.

Speaker 3 (02:44:11):
Powder thrown up my fucking crutch, because he is so
utterly disrespectful and unsuited and unqualified and has been completely
unsuccessful at this business. But it's always everybody else's fault.
It's the but he broke recently, Well, the boys got
complacent for a while there, But now that the new

(02:44:31):
regime is in and some of the new talents in, maybe.

Speaker 2 (02:44:33):
They'll step up their game. Why don't you step up
your fucking booking, fucking genius, and he says, well, I'm
a TV writer. I'm paid to produce ratings. I can't
worry about you know how much wrest the ay, Well,
then you're not getting fucking paid. You're paid to produce ratings.
When have you produced any ratings?

Speaker 3 (02:44:52):
He tries to take credit for Steve Austin in the Rock,
but if something doesn't work out, it was somebody else's fault,
standards and practices in fucking TV or blah blah blah,
blah blah.

Speaker 2 (02:45:02):
I could go on endlessly.

Speaker 3 (02:45:03):
It's just there's so much material, but I just wanted
to get that in there once again.

Speaker 2 (02:45:08):
Fuck you, Okay, Sebastian Quebec City, Canada. Can you explain
your theory our thoughts on why Shane McMahon left.

Speaker 4 (02:45:14):
The wywe is because Vince doesn't listen to his opinions
with the advice that Shane brings to the company.

Speaker 3 (02:45:19):
I have no theory and no opinion and no firsthand
knowledge otherwise than I believe that Shane McMahon more than
anything else, and I think Shane's a great guy and
more than anything else, he always wanted to be his
father and he believed in the McMahon name and the
McMahon family and the McMahon dynasty, and he wanted to

(02:45:39):
sit in that chair one day and when he found out,
I believe that his little sister and the fucking wrestler
that she married, and how that I would have bet
my house and car and life ten years ago that
Vince McMahon's daughter would marry a wrestler. About that you'd
look up and see a donkey flying over, and it happened.

(02:46:00):
I think Shane finally realizable, fuck it, she's gonna run
the place, fucking slow headed cave man is as long
as he keeps fucking pumping out the kids and.

Speaker 2 (02:46:10):
Everything, it's gonna go that way.

Speaker 3 (02:46:12):
And so I'm gonna go do my own ship, and
I hope he does, and I hope he is a
giant success at it.

Speaker 2 (02:46:19):
Greg Pike biggest WWF slash Epay Day. I'm embarrassed to
say this.

Speaker 3 (02:46:24):
As a performer now, I got six figures out of
him for the Smoky Matel Library, and I got five
figures as my share of the OBW Library, and I
got other But as a as a talent, I'm ashamed
to say fifteen thousand dollars for wrestle Mania ten.

Speaker 2 (02:46:42):
I'd heard all about the WrestleMania, the pay per view.

Speaker 3 (02:46:45):
And these huge checks, right, and I'm managed the WWF
champion twice, Yoko versus Luger, and Yoko versus Brett Hart
on a sold out Madison Square Garden and I got
five thousand more than I got for Star K eighty
six when it was just a down in a little
old Ingsborough on closed circuit. So as far as I'm concerned,
you know, for ww to big payoffs, first they get him.

Speaker 2 (02:47:07):
Now.

Speaker 4 (02:47:08):
DxD wants to know what's the real story between Randy
Savage of vinsmick Man.

Speaker 2 (02:47:11):
Why when Vince acknowledge him.

Speaker 3 (02:47:14):
I don't know, because all I know is that when
I first went up there, Savage was doing commentary. When
I first started working for ww was this summer of
ninety three, and I guess what he left. Anybody helped
me in the Peanut Gallery and sometime early in ninety
four I think it was because I remember we were
in Pennsylvania doing a television and suddenly I got pressed

(02:47:37):
into being the.

Speaker 2 (02:47:38):
Co host of the show for six weeks. He left
to I guess go down well. Did he go down
south right right away?

Speaker 3 (02:47:46):
Yea, yeah, so that would have been that would have
been maybe ninety five whatever. I'm sure all you guys
point is Savage up and left with no notice. That's
the only thing that I know that he ever did.
I don't know the source of any other heat I've
heard room and believe. I mean, I would love to
say that any rumor that you could possibly say about
the McMahon family is crew. After they've screwed me in Louisville,

(02:48:06):
I'll never fucking forgive them. And by the way, I'm
the only person in wrestling. When I say never, I
mean never. But I can't no, I can't buy the rumor.

Speaker 2 (02:48:15):
Of anything that Savage did to anybody in the McMahon family.
Peter from Melbourne, Australia. Do you think steroids are in
the WWE today? And says they aren't. Well, I mean
they're cracking down simply because of the PR And the
next question, what is your opinion of the wellness policy?

Speaker 3 (02:48:35):
Vince never came out and said okay, well, at least
he never did in front of me, Okay, you gotta
use steroids, you know whatever, And some guys have said, well,
they told me to get big or whatever. But let's
face it, Vince is up from the ultimate warrior to
ho Hogan. He's always wanted these jacked up bodybuilders, whether
they could wrestle or not.

Speaker 2 (02:48:51):
Hogan could work in his day oldmore never could.

Speaker 3 (02:48:54):
He would be more happy to give a chance to
a fucking jacked up bodybuilder that couldn't stick his thumb
and his ass on three dries than to Jack Brisco.

Speaker 2 (02:49:02):
We all know that.

Speaker 3 (02:49:03):
We all know that he was a sixty two year
old man on a cover of Muscling Fitness, a billionaire.

Speaker 15 (02:49:07):
If I was a billionaire, I wouldn't I would I
would not do this. I'd have somebody opening my bottle
for me and putting it up here, and I would
have somebody to rub my throat so I'd have to swallow.
And he's fucking working out to get on the cover
of Muscling Fitness.

Speaker 2 (02:49:21):
But the point is the wellness policy. It's all come
about because public relations.

Speaker 3 (02:49:28):
And Vince sees nothing wrong with these guys fucking jagging
themselves up and looking like fucking helium hoses have been
stuck up their ass for twenty years, and he likes
to do it too, And I don't see what the
fucking attraction is. So you know, I can't stand those
women bodybuilders with the veins and the fag No.

Speaker 2 (02:49:46):
I want some a little fucking foam rubber there, so
I'm not bruising myself. But anyway, so it's much less
than it has been.

Speaker 3 (02:49:54):
But you can always the guys who are making big
money can always beat the fucking test, just like the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (02:50:00):
And you guys are gonna do what guys want to do.
But you can't blame him because the hiring practices.

Speaker 4 (02:50:12):
OVW Mookie Ghana of F four W online when Keny
Golan was getting lauded as one of the best non
wrestlers in the half decade, four years on the list
as of two thousand and five, is there any talk.

Speaker 2 (02:50:22):
In bringing them up to WW? Absolutely none, whatsoever. They did.
They didn't watch the OVWTV show when we were working with.

Speaker 3 (02:50:30):
Them developing their talent, and finally, as a putative measure,
they made Bruce Pritchard start watching the fucking show the
fucking comedy writers. They had never even watched fucking OBW.
We sent a tape but they never watched it. No,
they don't understand why people, why Kenny gets over? Kenny
is classic pro wrestling. His entire life is a pro
wrestling promo, and he is a classic. He's a cross

(02:50:52):
between mister Haney on green Acre's Uncle Joe on petticoat
Junction and fucking Chill Wills, Andy Devine and the great
wrestling stars of days gone by, and no the manager
that can cut a promo and fucking make people hate
him instantly or talk people into doing anything he wants,
whether they've.

Speaker 2 (02:51:12):
Ever heard of him or not. They have no place
for something like that. Marco promo are laingere models. Marc
O'Connell says, channeling Dusty Rhoades cut a promo and Kenny.

Speaker 3 (02:51:19):
Oh my god, Kenny Bowling, you couldn't put me down
with a steel toad boot, couldn't put me out with
a steel toad boot, but I promised you it left you.

Speaker 15 (02:51:28):
Getting me diner for free at Apple be at payback
would be hatleble Daddy.

Speaker 2 (02:51:34):
My Campbell from four one win Me.

Speaker 4 (02:51:35):
How do you respond to the comments that Batista made
in his book saying he wasn't taught anything in Obe duty, Well, I.

Speaker 2 (02:51:41):
Got news for you. You didn't learn anything at obw.
But it wasn't for lack of try, and we tried
to beat it into your fucking head.

Speaker 3 (02:51:46):
Batista said that because he wanted to buddy. If you noticed,
every time somebody buddies up to Helmsley, they get the title.
We pushed Batista to the moon. The first time I
saw Dave Fatista, he could not sell a punch.

Speaker 2 (02:52:00):
Alpha had taught him how to write a check.

Speaker 3 (02:52:03):
He immediately in training tore his bicep because he was
so fucking steroided up. And he was off on the
sidelines for three months and he got a chance to
sit and watch class, and then he was better, and
he had an amazing look.

Speaker 2 (02:52:15):
He was a good natural athlete. He was a very
frail demon.

Speaker 3 (02:52:19):
He was always sitting there with his sweatshirt on, and
he was always very cold, and always very chilly.

Speaker 2 (02:52:24):
And she just see when we wrote when we brought
him up, rose him out of.

Speaker 3 (02:52:27):
The Ohio River, oh my god, he was down there going,
oh my god, sticks and Edie did whatever his wife
said for him to do.

Speaker 2 (02:52:34):
And he was just a pussy whipped, fucking, frail, fucking
quiet demon.

Speaker 3 (02:52:38):
But Lebiathan, the demon of the deep, the guardian of
the Gates of Hell, the right hand of Satan himself
was the most physically dominant force.

Speaker 2 (02:52:45):
That had ever been in the promotion, and we smashed
him over.

Speaker 3 (02:52:48):
He beat everybody, He did no jobs. He beat two
guys and three guys at a time. We made him
so the our version of the Undertaker, because that's what
I was going for. I was going for the Undertaker's
next money pay per view opponent, because look at the guy.
He can't take arm drags in the second match. He's
either got to be made event or nothing. So I

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was shooting for a gimmick that he could with his
limited ability, to be quite honest, that he could perform
that could get over.

Speaker 2 (02:53:16):
And it did. And I put him in a ring
with Caine and he's sitting there. I said, tell Glynn,
what you do, anything you want to do. He just
had no oath to him. Put him in a ring
with the Undertaker for the first time in Louisville.

Speaker 3 (02:53:28):
All these things do, put him in a ring with
Big Show. All these things drew money, They sold tickets.
He was an attraction, but he was never driven to
me to be a success. He like, I'm sick today
or whatever the fuck. So anyway, Finally they take him
up there. They put him in a suit and put
the box around his neck.

Speaker 2 (02:53:46):
For Devon, right, remember that, And they're bout ready to
fire him. And somehow he starts working out with Himsley.

Speaker 3 (02:53:51):
And all of a sudden, all of a sudden, he's
a top guy. And then all of a sudden he
writes a book he didn't learn anything in OVW one.
It wasn't for lack of try. And I called him
on the phonus and day Batista left a message on
his voice belt said I'd like you to call me
back and tell me why you.

Speaker 2 (02:54:03):
Say you didn't learn anything.

Speaker 3 (02:54:05):
When we took care of you, we liked you, we
smashed you over, we did everything we could possibly do
for you, and then you come and knock me and Danny.

Speaker 2 (02:54:12):
Davis, I said, I'd like you to call me and
tell me why. In the meantime, fuck you. And I've
never heard of god damn word from him since then.
Don't really give a fuck whether I ever do. Let's
see what's the one, Adam, that is the one.

Speaker 7 (02:54:23):
I'm k here and I'm represented the who that nation
and I want to get your thoughts on Nick Dinsmore.

Speaker 13 (02:54:29):
You trained Nick Densmore, and what was your impression on
the aging character.

Speaker 7 (02:54:34):
Would you take a hill a Jemmy or did you
take that something like this, We're gonna get a big
backlash from a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:54:39):
Of activist groups. Not everything he was gonna get any
backlash from activist groups. I thought I was gonna end
his career and it pretty much did. I love Nick
Dinsmore when when I first went to on BW, he
was the standout guy there.

Speaker 3 (02:54:54):
He was he Dug Basham, Rob Conway and and Danny Basham,
Danny Holly, the Damage were Danny Davis's four core original students,
the guys that he had built his promotion around. And
they were all talented and I used them in various
positions over.

Speaker 2 (02:55:12):
Four or five years. And Nick was He was great.
He wasn't the greatest promo in the world, but he
could get the job done.

Speaker 3 (02:55:19):
After a while, he looked good, looked like an athlete,
had a great he could teach wrestling or perform wrestling.
I brought Chris bin Wan down. They went twenty minutes
at the Louisville Gardens, tore the house down.

Speaker 2 (02:55:29):
They wouldn't look at him.

Speaker 3 (02:55:31):
I fugging put him in a program with Doug Basham. Here,
we're drawing money, you know, especially in summer at the
Six Flag shows, were drawing money in a wrestling school
with these guys on top.

Speaker 2 (02:55:42):
They wouldn't look at it. I said, why the fuck
can we not get Nick Dinsmore up to the main
roster and make him some money? Huh? Just doesn't have
any of these two playing?

Speaker 3 (02:55:51):
They'd take one time, I rated number one through number
twenty who should go to the main roster? Who is
ready to graduate? And there's Nsmore at number one? And
they took number seventeen, eighteen, and nineteen. I think it
was Orlando Jordan, Mark Jendrak and who the fuck else?

Speaker 2 (02:56:06):
Who knows? So what else to fucking do? And then
he all of a sudden, he's up there as Eugene.
I don't know if it's politically correct or not. He's
a retard.

Speaker 3 (02:56:19):
Roughhouse Fargo was my favorite wrestler when I was nine
years old, but he only came in at Christmas time
and then he went back in referee to Studdey Fargo
for the Crocketts. And you waited for six months or
a year for rough House Fargo to come back and
sell out. You can't have a retard on television every
week as a babyface, especially when he accidentally got over.

(02:56:40):
They didn't want him to get over, but he got
over because he started out smarting the fucking heels. And
people like a retard that outsmarts the heels because that
makes them look even stupider.

Speaker 2 (02:56:50):
But then when they start fucking out smarting him, what
does that.

Speaker 3 (02:56:53):
Take Because he can't even spell his own fucking name
short term shelf life, and now he's pigeonholed his Eugene.
I'd love to have Nick and ring of botter, but
I can't even I can't with a straight face bring
that up.

Speaker 2 (02:57:04):
Because the stink of Eugene is still on Nick Dinsmore,
who could have been.

Speaker 3 (02:57:10):
The next version of a Chris Binoi or a great
professional worker like that, and instead they gave him a
career killing gimmick like they've done so many other guys
and the Spirit Squad. Half those guys quit the business.
Johnny Jeter moved from San Diego to Louisville, three thousand miles.

Speaker 2 (02:57:27):
Everything he owned in the trunk of his car when
he was.

Speaker 3 (02:57:29):
Nineteen years old, waited tables at Chili's to pay for
his wrestling school tuition, becomes way farther advanced than anybody
should have been at his age, becomes Ricky Morton for
the twenty first century, in shape with fire and can sell.
And they by the time they finished with him, he's
up there for a year and a half. He goes home,

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quits the business.

Speaker 2 (02:57:51):
They run more people out of the fucking business.

Speaker 3 (02:57:53):
And now before once again the question Nick dinsmore. No,
it finished his career. Everybody will look at him as ute,
and nobody.

Speaker 2 (02:58:00):
Wants that in their promotion if they want to be serious.

Speaker 4 (02:58:03):
El Matador Figure four online was their specific point in
the OVWWWE relationship, where do you realize that everything was
fucked and wasn't.

Speaker 2 (02:58:11):
Going to work well?

Speaker 3 (02:58:11):
Where I should have realized as soon as Jim Ross
retired from the job as vice president talent relations and
tagged off handed it to John Laurnidas talking about the
fucking going down the home stretch and funneling the baton.
I should have known then, but I didn't realize right
then because I didn't know anybody could be as incompetent
and as deceitful and as totally disregarding of anybody else's business, as.

Speaker 2 (02:58:33):
John Wrenics turned out to be.

Speaker 3 (02:58:35):
But once they started pulling people that were promised to
us and firing people out from under us, we'd have
champions guys holding belts.

Speaker 2 (02:58:42):
They would fire them and then call us and tell
us about it.

Speaker 3 (02:58:46):
And then they'd also have told those guys, don't go
back to work for insurance reasons, or you know, call
me on Tuesday, use this guy on TV, TV went
TV tomorrow, TV Tomorrow is written, Well use them anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:58:55):
Well, fuck you, I don't have fifteen secretaries. I have
to do this shit myself off.

Speaker 3 (02:59:00):
We had TV written three days ago, like you ought
to just lying about guys that were promised that weren't coming,
not wanting us to do business.

Speaker 2 (02:59:09):
I could go on and on. That could be a
whole nother videotape.

Speaker 3 (02:59:12):
But John Lornidas, the guy who signed the wrong one
legged man, the guy who basically has has plummeted the
developmental program into the sewer, the guy who is a
laughingstock as far as a talent relations administrator, who is

(02:59:33):
there because Stephanie likes him, because he says yes to
anything related to Stephanie.

Speaker 2 (02:59:41):
Yeah, that was the beginning and the end of the
obwww relationship.

Speaker 3 (02:59:50):
All right, it's uh, it's time for a game. It's
the ship, the shit list, the Jim Cornett shit list.
I'm gonna go through names. The That was a great song.

Speaker 2 (03:00:00):
By the way, Pillman used the song shit list, and
he CW, I.

Speaker 11 (03:00:04):
Do know that much.

Speaker 2 (03:00:05):
It's a country song. No, you've never heard that. You
made my shit list? Yeah, he's got right. Anyway, somebody
knows it. You got it. Okay, So I'm gonna present
you with a name. If they're on the ship list,
they go on the board. If not, I'll toss it aside.
If they're irrelevant, then must we get the handful of

(03:00:25):
names here?

Speaker 4 (03:00:26):
You can rank them one through five. Okay, you have
a very lengthy shit list. You claim last time we
wegets time shorter. I doubt that after the last four
and a half hours, people might be shitty with me.

Speaker 2 (03:00:37):
But I don't really care about some people anymore.

Speaker 3 (03:00:39):
But I just decided, is I get older, I'm not
going to tolerate bullshit, and I'm gonna say what I
fucking think because fuck it.

Speaker 2 (03:00:45):
Certainly we can get to five names, but let's let's
fill this side here. Vince McMahon, Well, he'd be on it,
he'd be on the ship list.

Speaker 3 (03:00:53):
Vince McMahon never did anything to me personally. It's just
all the minions and stooges that he hired that.

Speaker 2 (03:00:58):
Did perportray ship and he allowed to get away with us.
So that qualifies therefore, Eric Bischoff. Really ambivalent about Bischoff
one way or the other, you know, very good. Mark Madden, Well,
we'll put him over here because I'm not sure if
he's two or three. Okay, that didn't take long. Wait

(03:01:19):
kell it.

Speaker 3 (03:01:23):
Let's put him on standby because I'm not sure if
we're gonna use I'm not even sure now if he
makes the top five, okay, hardcore wrestling, well, now that's
not really a person in place, it's more of a thing.

Speaker 2 (03:01:37):
Okay, Well that's on the ship list though, and let's
stick it up there on stand by. Sting it up
there on stand by. It think it's gonna fall over
pretty soon. There's no expense on this fucking set here
to see our budget New York.

Speaker 3 (03:01:49):
Oh, now, you know, with all these other competitions, I
still don't understand the traffic or the smog or the
fact that the pedestrians won't get the fuck out of
the way of a moving car, but not really.

Speaker 2 (03:01:59):
Wow, that one is shocking to me. I thought that
would have had the top spot. Dairy Queen. I love
dairy Queen.

Speaker 3 (03:02:06):
I have you if you've made it, dairy Queen and
hide and Kentucky after a really lousy spot show with
a rude window person.

Speaker 2 (03:02:12):
But otherwise I'm a dairy queen. Paint. Oh, you got
to stick him over there?

Speaker 4 (03:02:19):
Yeah, yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (03:02:20):
Gotta stick him over there.

Speaker 4 (03:02:24):
He noticed IM leaving a lot of room because I
figured we're gonna Okay, Bubba loves ha.

Speaker 2 (03:02:29):
Actually no, I would have put him on my hit
list because.

Speaker 3 (03:02:32):
After he played a part of my Who's slamm and
Who podcast on his satellite radio show, not only did
he not refute any of the points I made about
how shitty he and the TNA show was, but also
I got thirty thousand more hints and set a record
downloads the following week.

Speaker 2 (03:02:49):
So actually I did.

Speaker 3 (03:02:50):
He said, Bubba a Christmas card? Okay, yeah, I went
over one hundred thousand for the first time.

Speaker 2 (03:02:54):
Joey stuck you know, once against.

Speaker 3 (03:02:56):
Style's momentary fucking pain in the aster in the middle
of the election, when we're trying to take a step
like America was like wrestling. We were trying to take
a step into the twenty first century, but a bunch
of fucking people who didn't really see that we're trying
to hold us back. Joey Styles was just proposing their
point of view. But I don't have anything against the
guys a person. You were just such an easy target

(03:03:19):
because you know, when you get the conservative Christian crackpots going,
you really.

Speaker 2 (03:03:24):
Don't have much trouble taking the piss out of us.
As Adrian Street, you just say, Paul Hammond.

Speaker 3 (03:03:31):
I don't know whether he can go on my shit list,
because this has to be reserved for people that I
have no respect for in any way, shape or form.
And while Paul's and I's personal business dealings have been
rather fucking checkered, at the same time, I can go
ahead and say that he does know what he's doing,

(03:03:52):
that he was a good booker, etcetera, etcetera.

Speaker 2 (03:03:54):
This is for pure shit, and I will live by
the way. I told dutch Man till to put this
in his book.

Speaker 3 (03:04:03):
I don't know if he did or not, because dutch
you haven't sent me the free wind yet. I since
my my dress, I will live. I'm making you a point.
As a matter of fact, that's one of the reasons
why I'm on my low carved diet and trying to
stay away from sugar, et cetera, because I want to live.
To stand over and piss upon Vince Russo's grave, for
the fans that he's deprived of seeing fucking great wrestling,
for the fucking wrestlers whose careers he's shortened, For the

(03:04:25):
fucking people that make their living in the wrestling business
who have had elevated.

Speaker 2 (03:04:29):
Blood pressure or fucking lowered fucking income because of his
fucking foolishness.

Speaker 3 (03:04:35):
Vince, one of these days, I'm making it a mission
now in my life. You're gonna go before me if
I make it to ninety three, just so I can
stand there and take a whiz on your fucking headstone.

Speaker 2 (03:04:45):
Pal. Fuck you, what's quite accomplishment to get him off
the Bob Evans turkey gravy? Exactly, You're pretty important. It's
got chunks of sausage, Sentino.

Speaker 3 (03:04:58):
I could go on in the whole story, but no, oh,
actually I should send him a Christmas card too, because
they were pushing my buttons for a year looking for
a fucking reason. And when I smacked him seventeen times
and gave him the reason, and immediately my blood pressure
did get better.

Speaker 2 (03:05:11):
So no life, Kevin Dunne. Wow, see who else we
come up with? We're saving it over there.

Speaker 4 (03:05:21):
Do you have a quick heaving done impersonation you'd like
to do a few people have done it on Ken.

Speaker 11 (03:05:25):
Yes, I were not wrestling, and I don't know why
you think we're wrestling, just because playing wrestlers in wrefling
both and wrestling type in a wrestling ring.

Speaker 2 (03:05:39):
Fuck you, Jim Urge. Oh boy, you peach, I can
tell you already.

Speaker 3 (03:05:46):
Just because he's just he's a fucking little slime, but
just because he's more inoffensive, we got to stick.

Speaker 2 (03:05:52):
A damn it's gonna fill up ICP.

Speaker 3 (03:05:58):
I just you know that whole thing was blown up
out of proportion. Bruce Pritchard showed me a video. I'd
never heard of these fucking people.

Speaker 2 (03:06:06):
Why I only listened to music, so why should fuck
said I have heard of these people? In like nineteen
ninety seven.

Speaker 3 (03:06:11):
He shows me a videotape of the Japanese hardcore IWA
which I don't watch anyway.

Speaker 2 (03:06:17):
But there's Terry Falcon, there's Cactus Jack.

Speaker 3 (03:06:19):
And and But these fucking people, whoever the fuck they
are in their real lives, are doing the commentary. They
gave everybody phony names, and they're making feather, making a
joke out.

Speaker 2 (03:06:30):
Of the wrestling business. And Bruce just thought it was
hilarious because he likes funny silly shit.

Speaker 3 (03:06:35):
I didn't think it was fucking funny when I found
out that the insane clown Posse were fucking musicians, if
I can use that term loosely.

Speaker 2 (03:06:44):
Then I thought, look, I don't come and fucking make
fun of music. Why are you making fun of my business?
I was there the night that Victor Quinona is the promoter,
and Cactus Jack walked up to him and said, where's
our check for that tape that you sold? And to
their credit, they cut him a fucking check right on
the fucking spot. But I think they make fun of
the business. It's at hardcore bullshit.

Speaker 3 (03:07:04):
I've seen videotapes of these Juggernuts or Juggalos or whatever
in a mud field fucking watching this shit where they
fucking I don't know, it's like a David Letterman, stupid
pet trick, but it's humans.

Speaker 2 (03:07:18):
I don't get the whole fucking thing. Stay out of
my business. I'll stay out of your business. Shouldn't that
I don't any for very good old Cookin No once again.

Speaker 3 (03:07:29):
No, I mean, it's just it's sad now that the
guy who, except for Austin and Rock, has set more records,
made more money, got to be a bigger celebrity, et
cetera in our business now because of you know, family situations,
divorces and whatever, has to fucking go out there and
do that at sixty years old with artificial body parts,

(03:07:49):
trying to convince people that he's gonna get a fucking
company over when he's.

Speaker 2 (03:07:52):
Never been a booker, and he's never gotten a company over.
He's been a star. It's just stuck with it, right,
music have aay, but there we go. It can't. It's
got to be way up there. Seven up, you know,
not in this company. Although seven up does have an
aftertaste that sprite you know, does not have. I bet

(03:08:15):
John's ending. No, I'm not even that's rank these guys now.
Now now the work begins.

Speaker 18 (03:08:24):
Oh Jesus, well, actually, you know what Okay, what I
said about it, I would gonna put Polly up there
because I can respect him for some things he's done.

Speaker 2 (03:08:34):
Vince McMahon has been I'll take the cheap shit off.

Speaker 3 (03:08:37):
Vince McMahon has been very successful, even though he allowed
his minions to.

Speaker 2 (03:08:41):
Fuck me around. Can't do it.

Speaker 3 (03:08:45):
Hardcore wrestling is more of a not a person or
a thing, is more of a fucking uh what's the
word I'm searching for in kensity concept? I think we
gotta go with people who just have no redeeming value whatsoever?

Speaker 2 (03:09:03):
Two? Three, four? Oh shit, Wait, who do you got?
You got another idea and you want to add one?
John laerniis you want to add get a pen? Let's say? Well,
he once again not even important, not important.

Speaker 19 (03:09:17):
I got to say, we're gonna have to We're gonna
throw wead off the fucking page because I think right here,
if you want to go in this.

Speaker 2 (03:09:31):
Direction, right here, you have the five worst.

Speaker 3 (03:09:35):
Enemies of the professional wrestling business and the professional wrestling fan,
and between.

Speaker 2 (03:09:42):
The five of them, they work to goddamn uh shit.
So as my mother used to say, they don't have
a pot to piss in or a window throw it
out of They don't have any talent or haven't had
any talent for anything related to profession wrestling. No redeeming
quality can can anybody in this room.

Speaker 3 (03:10:04):
I'm holding up name something in professional wrestling that any
of these people have done. Well, great angle, great promo,
great performance, great something, Give me a give'm you're the
camera's not on you. You're nameless, you're faceless.

Speaker 2 (03:10:23):
Give me anything that any of these people have done?
Said great? Stay employed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot
of people without job to stay employed.

Speaker 3 (03:10:35):
That's an art, right, stay employed, sold a lot of pizza,
made money. Have you wait?

Speaker 2 (03:10:42):
Champion got hired? Initially made that transition from somebody said
he had a heart attack. I found that hard to believe.
You had to have found a heart.

Speaker 13 (03:10:53):
Well, that's it.

Speaker 2 (03:10:54):
That's the shit list. That's the shit list.

Speaker 4 (03:10:56):
Might not be a bad idea for a column if
you ever wanted to write for USA Today or New York.

Speaker 2 (03:11:00):
Do you think if I wanted to dwell on these
people all the times? See you just do this to
stir me up.

Speaker 3 (03:11:05):
If I wanted to dwell all these people all the time,
I'd need goddamn be hospitalized.

Speaker 2 (03:11:09):
Well, you can.

Speaker 4 (03:11:10):
Critique things in society, politics, healthcare plan.

Speaker 2 (03:11:13):
But now, why wasn't it. Why didn't you have a
positive top five? Why didn't you have Jim Cornett's top
five of all time?

Speaker 3 (03:11:19):
The Bobby Heenans, or the Mick Foleys, or the fucking
Rick Flair's, or the fucking Christine Jared ser just.

Speaker 2 (03:11:25):
Joe Lotts's or all the people that I admire and
like and that have done things for me and other
people in the rest. But no, you you have to
go for that seemy underbelly of the wrestling. You had
forty You had four hours to talk about all the
wonderful things. Well, you rushed me through everything. Wait all
the next four you think this was bad? You rushed
me right through. I couldn't go into any detail. TENA,

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we'll start it with Wait a minute, why would I
be a video?

Speaker 14 (03:11:58):
The buildos are coming in until from the Off the
Rock Show dot Com Studios, Daddy. What I want to
know is there was a point in time where you
made your long awaited epic TNA debut and always up
to the ages because I remember what happened.

Speaker 2 (03:12:15):
You had a long set of yourself, sir, and like
tame with the crowd. I don't want to know how
tough was it for you to walk back to the.

Speaker 16 (03:12:22):
Locker room, because I know you just came back from surgery,
and also was it a tent embarrassing for you, sir?

Speaker 2 (03:12:29):
Well, actually, it wasn't as tough for me to walk
back as it was to walk down that ramp. Here's
the deal. I just had the knee surgery and I
was still the acl re tied up and everything. I
was still walking with a cane. And I debuted in June.

Speaker 3 (03:12:42):
Of six and it was one hundred and fifty degrees
in the impact zone and all day I've been doing
the Charlie Chaplin.

Speaker 2 (03:12:48):
Things been in the cane around, you know.

Speaker 3 (03:12:50):
So I decided, as I go out on the stage
and I get a good pop, I'm gonna milk it.

Speaker 2 (03:12:55):
And I'm doing this but my hand is covered with sweat.
The foam thing on the cane.

Speaker 3 (03:13:00):
Is sweaty, and he just straight out and I expect
to look over see someone old woman, you know. Okay,
Now I gotta go down the ramp right and everybody
backstage's like, is he gonna goes?

Speaker 2 (03:13:12):
He get out of his whips?

Speaker 3 (03:13:13):
Okay, so very flat footed I don't need no stinging Kine.
Get down there, cut the.

Speaker 2 (03:13:19):
Promo and fucking then get out of the ring and
walk back flat. It was a good promo. I wanted it, embarrassed.
I was tickled by it, you know, more than needything.
And actually some people believe in thought that I'm meant
to do it, and I let them believe that for
a while. Kyle SAMs, did you ever have a bowel movement? Now?
CNA Impact Zone? What in the bathroom? Or he may
just take it. I take it that's what he wants.

Speaker 3 (03:13:39):
Yeah, As a matter of fact, I used to go
to the bathroom as often as possible so that I
fucking calmed myself down from choking Russo or fucking walking out,
get the car and leaving Great Pike.

Speaker 2 (03:13:48):
Do you think TNA will ever charge admission for fans
again at the TNA Impact Zone. No, but they are
playing on charging before he get out.

Speaker 4 (03:13:55):
Paul Miller currency a F four w online with Jerry
Jarrett having done so well as Booker and Mephid, Why
do you think that didn't translate into more success with TENNA.

Speaker 3 (03:14:04):
Well, as I know, or as I'm aware, Jerry only
wrote the first what fifteen to twenty shows.

Speaker 2 (03:14:12):
Jerry was not the booker there very long.

Speaker 3 (03:14:14):
And also, did you see anything wrong when Jerry Jared
left the company because you said something was wrong?

Speaker 2 (03:14:18):
I wasn't even there.

Speaker 3 (03:14:19):
And be quite honest, when did you ever see Dixie
Carter get lost while she was wandered around backstage?

Speaker 2 (03:14:26):
No? But I hoped on several front fan But no,
here's the thing with with with Jared Jared and TNA.
You know, he started the thing.

Speaker 3 (03:14:40):
As the pay per view Wednesday night pay per view,
and then they got television and then blah blah blah.
But he was only in the first six months or so,
and then the direction took a different turn.

Speaker 2 (03:14:49):
So I don't what was the back up? What was
the second part of that? I don't really Oh yeah, yeah,
And I wasn't around at that point, to be honest,
I I never watched TNA Wrestling until I'm gonna say
four weeks before I debuted in June of six, because

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I still WWE and me got sideways in July of five,
but I still had.

Speaker 3 (03:15:16):
An ownership interest in Ohio Valley Wrestling, and so I
was still making money off of them.

Speaker 2 (03:15:20):
Plus I was really.

Speaker 3 (03:15:21):
Pissed off at wrestling, and besides Ring of Honor and
reums with the Midnight Express, I wouldn't really want to
do anything, and I was waiting on clear up the
OBW TV rights and get a check, so I didn't
want to fucking jack that around too much. So basically
I had never watched any TNA because I knew the.

Speaker 2 (03:15:37):
Vince Russo was involved in it, and I thought there's
no reason for me.

Speaker 3 (03:15:40):
To make myself mad and my own home. And then
when he was gone, I just was in the habit
of not watching it, so I didn't. But dutch Man
Tell had called me a number of occasions. I said,
when I get all this straightened down and I got
under the surgery, finally time was right.

Speaker 2 (03:15:52):
So then I was like, oh shit, I better start
watching this stuff because I don't know what's going on.
And so I watched it. I liked the show, and
I thought I had a lot of potential in it.

Speaker 3 (03:16:00):
There was guys there boom and boom, and then in
I guess it was late September, dutch calls and says, well,
we made some changes in the creative team.

Speaker 2 (03:16:11):
I said, oh, great, good, what well, we fired everybody
but me and Jeff said, well, that's probably a step
in the right direction. He said, and we hired one guys.
Who's that? He said, Vince Russo? What Vince Russo? Why
he can't explain it?

Speaker 3 (03:16:24):
Nobody said this, By the way, I've asked so many
people that have been around so much longer than I
why nobody can explain it?

Speaker 2 (03:16:31):
Nobody knows.

Speaker 3 (03:16:31):
Jeff Jarrett wanted him there, so I said, if Jeff
called me. So Jeff called me, I said.

Speaker 2 (03:16:35):
I said, I know I did. This won't work. I
don't know why. I'm speechless. I'll just give it a chance,
all right. I didn't want to do it on the phone,
so I went down the next taping and sat down
with Jeff and Dutch and gave my notice.

Speaker 3 (03:16:51):
I said, it's going to detract from business. I can't
be around this fucking guy. He'll kill everything he touches.
I don't want to be involved in it.

Speaker 2 (03:16:59):
Let one of your heel abyss. It was a heel
in lay me out, boom, I'll be done.

Speaker 3 (03:17:03):
And Jeff basically said, oh, if you know, show, if
you if you don't come, you're no showing.

Speaker 2 (03:17:09):
I want to accept your notice. Try it blah blah
blah blah blah. So that's what happened.

Speaker 4 (03:17:14):
Homi, navigating nine Kursy Wrestling Classics, says, what's the best
part of the new TNA of twenty ten was the
worst part of the new TNA twenty ten?

Speaker 2 (03:17:22):
Got a couple of hours. What would you like to
see show up? Who would you like to see show up?
At TENA that is on the WWE roster?

Speaker 3 (03:17:32):
Boy, the worst part of the new TNA of twenty
ten everything. The best part of the new TNA of
twenty ten nothing. Here's why I don't even care if.

Speaker 2 (03:17:41):
Anybody else shows up in Tena's on the ww roster.
Doesn't make a fuck to me. Here's the problem.

Speaker 3 (03:17:46):
The problem is to me, they had a chance to say, Okay,
we're gonna make a statement.

Speaker 2 (03:17:52):
We're going to be a new promotion for the twenty
first century.

Speaker 3 (03:17:56):
We're going to fight to get the fucking fans back
from the UFC and MMA. We're gonna fucking tape these guys,
and we've got on our roster that are young, and
we're gonna push them and we're gonna get them over,
and we're gonna use them the bodies of the older
stars to do that while they still are capable. They've
got a crew of made of venters and needs to
be packed in ice after every performance.

Speaker 2 (03:18:15):
I've been saying that to him for a year. Kurt
Angle is a machine. He's incredible, but the injuries that
he's had, he doesn't need to be wrestling thirty minute
matches every night, every night, carried a company on his back.

Speaker 3 (03:18:28):
I want to see him push the young guys. I
want to see him do a more serious style. I
wanted to see him do an alternative to vencetment Man,
a more credible, logical style. But of course that means
getting rid of fucking Vince Russo and then get rid
of everybody but Vince Russo.

Speaker 2 (03:18:42):
And I hate to keep harping on this. There they
come down now from the heavens to strike me down.

Speaker 3 (03:18:47):
He's got a direct But the problem is Vince Russo
is incapable of writing anything that approximate sports. He's incapable
of writing anything that anybody can believe. But if they
had done that, if every restaurant in the world sold Hamburgers,
why would you want to open up a restaurant selling Hamburgers?

Speaker 2 (03:19:01):
You want to open up a restaurant selling.

Speaker 3 (03:19:03):
Chicken and with Vince selling the at least having the
best marketing on hamburgers. It may not be the best hamburgers,
but McDonald's sells the most hamburgers.

Speaker 2 (03:19:11):
They ain't the best, but they sell a lot of
them with Vince doing that. Open up a chicken restaurant.

Speaker 3 (03:19:17):
Let's have some realistic, credible, sports based presentation to our wrestling.
Let's not be some fucking WW light and do shit
with a less of a budget and less talented people
involved in the writing of the thing and copyww Let's
do something completely different. So when I saw January fourth,

(03:19:42):
it made me glad that I was gone, because, let's
face it, if I hadn't been fired or released or
terminated or whatever you want to call it in September,
I would have been gone in October of my own volition,
as soon as I figured out that not only are
we never getting rid of Russo, but now we're having
these other guys come in put another company out of
business ten years ago, and they're ten years older, and

(03:20:05):
it's more of the fucking same. Hogan and Bischoff on
the on the January fourth show, when they're in the ring.
It's gonna be great, It's gonna be They look like
they were trying to talk themselves into it.

Speaker 2 (03:20:15):
They look like two quasi.

Speaker 3 (03:20:17):
Celebrities on a fucking fundraising telethon for a goddamn hurricane disaster.

Speaker 2 (03:20:21):
I expect to see Hogan say George Bush.

Speaker 3 (03:20:23):
Doesn't like black people. It was fucking embarrassing. It's and
over on the other channel, you got Vince McMahon and
Brett Hart. Brett Hart was a fucking legend. Vince McMahon
is the boss. But it's a bunch of gray haired
guys yelling at each other about shit that happened fifteen
years ago. The TNA program made all of their young

(03:20:44):
guys like Beer Money, Matt Morgan or Nandez, except for
meaningless in favor of guys that have had their best
years behind them. Maybe they've done a lot in the
business before, but goddamn, it's time to move on.

Speaker 2 (03:20:57):
And so the answer is blah, No, the TNA had
a chance to do something and they fumbled a fucking
ball and they ain't gonna get it back.

Speaker 10 (03:21:05):
Well, that answers Todd Packard's question.

Speaker 2 (03:21:08):
Thank you, Todd, January fourth, Show.

Speaker 4 (03:21:13):
Clips courtesy four uh asked him if the only reason
he still slags TNA office.

Speaker 2 (03:21:19):
So he can fit the phrase shine a turd, it's
one of a sents. Well, well it actually it's the
phrase you can't polish a turd.

Speaker 3 (03:21:27):
However, after watching TNA of late, I will say that
they have they've increased. As a matter of fact, they
they bought a Times Square billboard, they hired Hulk Hogan
for untold hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars, and
Eric Bischoff and all these.

Speaker 2 (03:21:41):
Other guys, and they've gone all the way from a
one to one point two or three. Imagine that.

Speaker 3 (03:21:47):
I said recently, if a lot of people are looking
at a turd.

Speaker 2 (03:21:50):
Does it still stink?

Speaker 4 (03:21:52):
Jasuretski from Ontario asked, when TNA is out of business
maybe and hopefully by the time this DVD comes out,
and will you allow yourself to be interviewed for the
inevitable rise and fall that.

Speaker 2 (03:22:03):
Now I have a feeling that there'll be enough video
evidence out there. You know, here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (03:22:07):
I don't want TNA to fail. I've wanted TNA to succeed.
That's why I went to work there. Because Vince McMahon
cannot be allowed to have a monopoly on the professional
wrestling business. And then he's embarrassed to admit he's even
in the pro wrestling business, so he calls it a
monopoly on the sports entertainment business. For the sake of
the wrestlers, for the sake of the fans, for the
sake of everybody who makes a living in this business, except.

Speaker 2 (03:22:28):
The billionaire who don't need any more money. You can't
be allowed to have a monopoly. There always has to
be a place to go, another choice and alternative.

Speaker 3 (03:22:36):
I wanted TNA to be that because it seemed like
they had the best advantage toward doing that.

Speaker 2 (03:22:42):
They had national television, they had monthly pay per view.
They had a good crew. You could always have better talent,
but they had a good crew. They had they had
everything they.

Speaker 3 (03:22:51):
Needed except a direction and a way to implement that
that made them stand apart from the WWE and a
guy who respected the business. Ultimately righting the show, and
I kept hanging around, waiting and waiting and waiting.

Speaker 2 (03:23:06):
Sooner or later, somebody's gonna smart enough and see this.
People laugh at him behind his back in the production
meeting every time that they read his fucking.

Speaker 3 (03:23:15):
Drivel that he writes, eyes roll on the production crew,
from the talent side, from the agents, and it just
never got any better. And I I'm gobsmacked. I don't
know how he does it. Nobody I can ask that
have been in the business twenty years and knows how
he does it. But T and A could have been
the alternative to events.

Speaker 2 (03:23:34):
And now, boy, you know when on January fourth, when
they cut to that cropshot of Dixie Carter, I figure,
you've looked at the phrase buyer's remorse in the dictionary.
You have to see her picture because what the fuck
is she?

Speaker 3 (03:23:47):
It's just yeah, Dutch like this, I said one time,
I told dutch Man Telle, I said, you know what
I said, The people that.

Speaker 2 (03:23:54):
Know how know how don't have the money, and the
people that have the money don't have a fucking clue how.
And unfortunately, I guess it's that with everything Ring of Honor,
this would be an eight hour release. If we did
four hours, I'm.

Speaker 20 (03:24:14):
Wrestling in four hours or saying this, mister Cornett, you
are with Ring of Honor and alb but you had
another tenure with Ring of Honor during that time period.

Speaker 16 (03:24:27):
There was one of the greatest feuds on the indies.
It was roh RSUs czw. Take us behind the locker room,
take us to the booking meetings. How did that whole
thing play out? Was there any heat between the boys?
Was John Zandig the douche? I always read that he is,
Come on, tell us about that feud.

Speaker 2 (03:24:43):
The internet wants to know. Well, I wasn't in on
any of the booking meetings at the time. Gabe Sapolski
was the booker.

Speaker 3 (03:24:53):
And Ring of Honor and he said, well, we're thinking
about doing this thing. And basically, I mean, I almost
feel like I'm you know, my god, everybody, you can't
expose the wrestling business anymore. But there was such a
great passion and emotion in the Ring of Honor and
Combat Zone wrestling thing that I almost feel like I'm,

(03:25:14):
you know, telling kids there was no Santa Claus say,
there wasn't really any unprofessional conduct.

Speaker 2 (03:25:20):
But at the same time, there was a lot of
shooting going on. Because I think that's why it got
over because the fans remember what I said. Jared Heared
always said, you know, when he had Lawler and Dundee,
we're in a program with each other. The fans knew Jerry.

Speaker 3 (03:25:33):
Lawler and build Undie didn't like each other because they
told the fans whether they were partners both baby faces,
one of them was heel fight each other. Whatever they
told the fans of the at the arena, they told
the fans at the convenience store after the matches.

Speaker 2 (03:25:45):
You know, they didn't like each other.

Speaker 3 (03:25:46):
And Jared used that and they sold out year after
year when he put them against each other because the
fans knew there was an element there they were going
to beat to piss out of each other. I think
hardcore wrestling is the most ridiculous, fucking, innane, stupid thing
that I've ever seen in my life. And I talked
about ECW, you know, they only scratched the surface. This

(03:26:09):
combat zone wrestling bullshit, the broken light tubes, the fluorescent
light tubes, the fucking barred by the staple gun, I mean,
just anything about it.

Speaker 2 (03:26:18):
I think it's fucking ridiculous. I think anybody that perpetrates
it has to have their head examined. Think anybody that
promotes it ought to be putting fucking jail that ian
rotten in the state of Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (03:26:29):
Now the state of Kentucky used to have one of
the easiest athletic commissions in the world to get along
with five dollars license and have a promoter's license. They
wouldn't even send an inspector because of Ian Rotten and
is hardcore wrestling getting on the news. People being splattered
with blood, got almost bled to death because he got
punctured by a fucking fluorescent light tube, was taken to

(03:26:51):
the hospital.

Speaker 2 (03:26:52):
Hardcore wrestling invade state all of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (03:26:56):
Now there's inspectors, and there's rules and regulations.

Speaker 2 (03:26:59):
You can't have any blood, any even accidental blood. Match
must end immediately. You lose your promoter's license. The licenses
cost of fortune.

Speaker 3 (03:27:06):
More, we immuned the people to simple angles that they
could fucking believe that a guy could work and you
can still believe he was hurt. It doesn't take any
talent to take blood instruments and bash each other over
the fucking head for real, in front of two hundred
people at a goddamn parking lot of a fucking bowling
alley for twenty dollars if you get paid at all.

Speaker 2 (03:27:28):
It made the fucking business look bad. It made the boys.
When I saw the wrestler.

Speaker 3 (03:27:32):
I went into a three day depression because here are
people who may not know anything about professional wrestling for
the last twenty years since Hulk Hogan and Hulco Mania,
or I remember Rick Flair whatever, and now they're thinking,
oh my god, that's what happened to all those guys,
and now professional wrestling is in.

Speaker 2 (03:27:48):
A goddamn fucking VFW hall and all the people. I
don't even take independent bookings because I'm afraid if I
go to a fucking show that there's only two hundred
people at and I've got.

Speaker 3 (03:27:57):
My gimmick table out and people look at me as, oh,
now he needs the money too. Fuck, it's fucking embarrassing.
It's embarrassing that that the average person would he would
hear that somebody's being stapled with a fucking staple.

Speaker 2 (03:28:10):
Gun or ripped up with broken glass or doing this
fucking foolishness. It takes no talent, it takes no art.
The people that fucking go and pay to seat I
have serious.

Speaker 3 (03:28:20):
Doubts about their fucking mental capacity that you would think
that's fucking entertainment, which.

Speaker 2 (03:28:25):
Taxes the very definition of the word. And the whole
thing is fucking ridiculous, and it's been What if you
were a basketball fan and all your life you loved basketball,
you gotta tickle out of the Harlem Globetrotters.

Speaker 3 (03:28:37):
But I mean, at least it was still a fucking athletic,
fucking show. But mostly you like the Boston Celtics or
the goddamn whatever the fuck, And all of a sudden,
they come up with new rules for basketball, like I'm
sure Vince Russo would like to write, where you've got
to make the inbounds pass through across a flaming table,
and if you've got to shoot a free throw, you
got to shoot it over a fucking three coils of

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barbed wire. And there's a guy on the fucking top
of the goddamn basket that's gonna fucking try to spear
the ball and puncture it and throw a spear at you,
and whatever the.

Speaker 2 (03:29:06):
Fuck, beople, what the fuck is this? Why would anybody
want to be involved in this?

Speaker 3 (03:29:11):
Why the fuck would anybody want to be involved in
a situation where they're gonna be ripped up with barbed wire,
bashed with fucking light tubes, cut with broken glass, snapped
with mouse traps, and hit with a fucking staple gun.
I made fifteen thousand dollars for fucking WrestleMania.

Speaker 2 (03:29:25):
I took one bump and it was a shitty one
because Luca threw a shitty punch.

Speaker 3 (03:29:28):
I made ten thousand dollars for jumping off at fucking
scaffold and regretted that. And somebody's gonna do that shit
to themselves for twenty dollars, because like Ian Rotten, they
have some kind of inordinate need to be somebody in
front of a few fucking deluded, fucking delinquent, fucking people
at a goddamn bowling alley in fucking West fuck Wad, Indiana.

(03:29:51):
It just makes everybody in our business look like fucking morons.
And that's what I conveyed in the ring upon her
fucking czw angle and met every fucking word of it,
and people loved it because they bought it because they.

Speaker 2 (03:30:02):
Knew it was real good Zactly what everybody involved was professional.

Speaker 3 (03:30:06):
Even though Zandy couldn't say sue if the Hogs had him,
I've blistered him on the fucking promo, But how can
he How can you defend the indefensible, Zach Lambert When
you first made an advierence a ring of honor back
in two thousand and three, and just think it were
grown to the company is today.

Speaker 2 (03:30:21):
I did not.

Speaker 3 (03:30:21):
I was hoping so, but to be honest, I thought,
you know it was it was a good independent show,
and and I thought, you know, this is what's gonna
be a good independent show.

Speaker 2 (03:30:30):
But now you know that, That's that's why I'm really
I've always been a fan of There's always got a
long level Carrie.

Speaker 3 (03:30:36):
I've never had any problems with Gabe, like Adam Pierce,
the booker, all the people have worked there.

Speaker 2 (03:30:40):
The guys, they always work hard. That's why I'm there now.

Speaker 3 (03:30:44):
But that's why I'm saying, I guess they're always I've
always felt there's needed to be an alternative. I was
hoping TNA would be that because they were best equipped financially.

Speaker 2 (03:30:55):
But they're not going to be.

Speaker 3 (03:30:57):
Uh So, you know, the next day after the tea
anything happened, you know, Carrie called me and they'd gotten
the television.

Speaker 2 (03:31:03):
They've gone through the pay per view thing.

Speaker 3 (03:31:05):
I think they put the cart before the horse. Thin
It's hard to have pay per view before you have television.
DNA found that out, But I would have never dreamed
they'd be on national television on HDNet, you know, seven
years later, and I never dreamed they'd still be a
high profile company and actually be in more high profile.
It's the big shows in New York and et cetera.

Speaker 2 (03:31:25):
So I'm happy, but didn't think that at the time.

Speaker 13 (03:31:29):
You know, bring Up Honor. It's finally come to the
big time. It's on hDNA.

Speaker 14 (03:31:35):
But Jimmy, I'm gonna be honest, I really like Bring
Up Honor back in the day the likes of low Ki.

Speaker 2 (03:31:40):
Christopher Daniels ag styles spanky.

Speaker 21 (03:31:43):
I know you don't like it, ain't spank than it's
kind of funny Anyway, I want to know what did
you think about Rag of Honor then versus now? And also,
do you have any booky power now? Are you strictly
an on air talent per.

Speaker 2 (03:31:56):
Se per se?

Speaker 13 (03:31:58):
I like the way.

Speaker 3 (03:32:03):
Adam Pierce is the booker, but I obviously can make
suggestions and that's what that's what my job is. Executive
producer can be anything, and whether it's open up a
new market for live events, or I've got a connection
to find a sponsorship or somebody to help promote, or
you know, hey, I think we could do this on television.
They're listening, and they're letting me do that because I

(03:32:24):
want the company to succeed.

Speaker 2 (03:32:26):
Not doing it for the money. At this point, I'm
doing it because I want there to be an alternative.
I know everybody like you know what Simoe Joe and
Aja Styles Christopher Daniels were in Ring of Honor. I
did too. I thought they were great.

Speaker 3 (03:32:39):
But if you notice, you never get a new star
over until another star leave, until the old star leaves.
So when they went on their way, then along came
the Briscoes and Brian Danielson, Nigel Beginnis and everybody.

Speaker 2 (03:32:51):
Wow these guys.

Speaker 3 (03:32:52):
Well, now Brian and Nigel have left, Thank god Briscoe's
are around. But here comes Austin Ares and Tyler Black.
Tyler he like I twenty three years old. Fuck, he's
hardly been able to legally vote for fucking two years.
You know, I think he's going to be a star.
I think a lot Rodert Strong, I don't. I don't
want to leave anybody. I don't want to say a
lot of names, but Brent ol'bright I've always been a

(03:33:13):
big fan of U. Davari just started Sean Davary just
started the last TV Tapics. He was very underutilized in
variety ways. You could never get a big star over
until the other the previous star leaves. Jackie Fargo had
to have the torch to Jerry Lawler, Bruno Sammartino had
to pass it off to Well, I didn't pass it
by Backlan, but you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:33:36):
So basically, guys are always gonna move.

Speaker 3 (03:33:40):
They're always going to go on to another job or
bigger and better, or sometimes.

Speaker 2 (03:33:44):
Smaller and lesser.

Speaker 3 (03:33:45):
But ultimately, I think Ring of Honor has proven that
they are a new style of wrestling.

Speaker 2 (03:33:53):
They let the wrestlers do their shit and they let
the fans decide who they like and then we go
from there. And I want to keep doing that. I
want to steal some of the UFC fans. I want
to steal some of the MMA fans.

Speaker 3 (03:34:02):
I want to take the young twenty something maybe thirty
something guys that don't have the big national names, but
they got hungered and they got talent, and I want
to try to help create a framework where wrestling. I
want to do pro wrestling as it was done in
the eighties, with guys that were born in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (03:34:22):
Imagine that. Treat it seriously, be logical.

Speaker 3 (03:34:26):
Let the guys go out and be themselves and get
over sell the guys based on their personalities and not
a bunch of fucking hokey gimmicks, and don't insult people's
attentions or and sell people's intelligence and just start slapping
them in the face that we're phony. It's on the show,
fucking cartoon. No, why do you think they like UFC?
It's real, yes, but it's also because we understand it.

Speaker 2 (03:34:48):
I know this guy, I know that guy.

Speaker 3 (03:34:50):
I know why they're gonna fight. Let's who's gonna win.
That's the basis of pro wrestling.

Speaker 2 (03:34:54):
So anyway, alright, another video, Steven m This is gonna
take a long bucket time.

Speaker 13 (03:35:00):
Mister Cornet, James Cordinet, Jim Cornett, which.

Speaker 2 (03:35:04):
Ever you prefer to be called.

Speaker 13 (03:35:07):
I have a big thing of you, and I'm glad
that you to come back to the Ring of Honor.

Speaker 2 (03:35:11):
Crew. I actually have two questions for you. If you
can't answer both, that's perfectly fine.

Speaker 16 (03:35:18):
The first one I'd like to say is that people
know John Cena is the main guy in w but
who in h do you think could.

Speaker 2 (03:35:26):
Be the next John Cena?

Speaker 1 (03:35:27):
And why?

Speaker 13 (03:35:28):
And that is the other question would be is that
who in WWE do you feel is not getting the
deserved push.

Speaker 2 (03:35:34):
That they should and why?

Speaker 3 (03:35:38):
Okay, well, first of all, I would never say somebody
else is gonna be the next John Cena. I know
what he's asking, who's gonna be the next big star?
Because to me, everybody ought to be individuals. The reason
why wrestlers don't get over better than they do now
these days is because they got writers putting words in
their mouth. They can't get themselves over. I think Tyler
Black is a superstar waiting to have happened.

Speaker 2 (03:36:00):
But he's too young right now. Uh he needs more seasoning,
he needs more time.

Speaker 3 (03:36:04):
But you get a twenty seven, twenty eight year old
Tyler Black athletically as good as he is, but then
getting this up here, and uh, you know, I think
you got a superstar.

Speaker 2 (03:36:14):
The Briscos as a tag teamer unique I love their promos,
which which everybody's all The Briscoes can't talk.

Speaker 3 (03:36:22):
No, the Briscos are the most legitimate, real credible promo
in professional wrestling today because they sound exactly they talk,
They do their promo exactly like they talk that you
can't tell the difference tweet on and off camera.

Speaker 2 (03:36:35):
And they're naturals. So I love that and they're they're
unique once again. So and second and what was the
second part of his question? Uh? What was it? Stars
in Uh? Underutilized in WWE.

Speaker 3 (03:36:50):
I don't want to call any names right now because
that would that would stoog me that I never watched
the fucking TV show because he gives me gas. But
all the guys that were in OVW developmental from two
thousand and two until two thousand and five, just write all.

Speaker 2 (03:37:03):
Their names down there. Good Mark Berry will Ring of Honor.

Speaker 4 (03:37:06):
Restructuring house shows in the South, I think that's Saint Lewis, Nashville, Memphis,
and Atlanta would be great stops.

Speaker 2 (03:37:11):
For you guys.

Speaker 3 (03:37:12):
Bout a Bang Charlotte, North Carolina April third. You may
be watching this after that, but the Big Bang takes
place April third. And the reason why that we chose Charlotte,
North Carolina just an example.

Speaker 2 (03:37:24):
All the big time independent shows.

Speaker 3 (03:37:27):
In the Carolinas, which was a rich wrestling market over
the past several years that have drawn big crowds have
been legends based shows.

Speaker 2 (03:37:35):
We think that the.

Speaker 3 (03:37:37):
Fans that loved wrestling into Carolinas that we were predisposed
to like wrestling, and the new fans that like wrestling
and haven't seen anything that they like lately, all of
them will like Ring of Honor the big bang. It
all begins again. Pro wrestling explodes into the twenty first century.

Speaker 2 (03:37:53):
After Charlotte, we got our eyes. We're doing the paperwork
to get promoter's licenses in Kentucky.

Speaker 3 (03:38:00):
So Madia next year is going to be taking place
in Atlanta, and Ringovater sort of has a little tradition.
I think a lot of those towns we want to
open up more live markets. I've talked to a lot
of people who have experienced promoting local wrestling shows and
have done very well with it, and we're going to
start using those people.

Speaker 2 (03:38:17):
To help us. And so the South and the Midwest
and all parts in between is on the roster.

Speaker 4 (03:38:25):
Good Mark O'Connell, what are your thoughts on Ring of
Honor is suing rig Flair?

Speaker 2 (03:38:29):
Well, and you phrased it nicer than this guy up
here did, But the same question.

Speaker 3 (03:38:33):
You know, I wasn't here, that was before I started.
I'm not sure what the situation was. Basically, I understand
that Rick was paid money in advance to make appearances
that then once that Vince found out that.

Speaker 2 (03:38:48):
Ringo Vater was on television.

Speaker 3 (03:38:50):
But you may remember Vince McMahon doesn't have a fucking
clue of what's going on in a professional wrestling business anywhere.

Speaker 2 (03:38:55):
Other than his own company. Then he said, well, I
don't think be doing the TV, and Rick didn't do
the TV, and apparently the.

Speaker 3 (03:39:02):
Money didn't get paid back. I don't want to get
in the middle of it. I like Kerry Silk and
he's a friend of mine. I believe what he says.
But Rick Flair has helped me a lot in my career,
gave me my first booking job, recommended me for the
highest paying job I ever had, which was not by
the way working ervincement man.

Speaker 2 (03:39:18):
So I don't want to get in the middle of him.

Speaker 3 (03:39:19):
But I think it's a shame that a guy with
the reputation and just the man Rick Flair is having
problems with wrestling promoters when probably I would say that
for twenty years, if you were a wrestling promoter, the
most dependable thing that you could hear, the best thing
you could hear on your card?

Speaker 2 (03:39:38):
Was I got Rick Flair because you knew he was
gonna be there. You knew he was going to tear
the house down. You knew you're gonna sell some tickets.
Now shit's going sideways and I hate see it. Volume
one is in the volumes, and I was being brief folks.
I'm sorry when

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