💥 ROAD WARRIORS SHOOT UNLEASHED: Hawk & Animal's BRUTAL Truth About Vince & Ric! 🦅

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, it's a pleasure to be sitting here with the
Road Warriors, the Legion of Doom, probably one of the
most innovative tag teams of all time, and you know,
one of the best tag teams of the eighties and nineties.
I guess the first question to you guys would be
how you guys got started in the wrestling business?

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Whoever one stands there first.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
But we got started by a gentleman that didn't want
to run about the wrestling camp at one time until
I brought him in and showed him all the bouncers
in Minneapolisary that we were at and there was like
twelve of us, and that was one of the smallest
and most of them were animal sized, and he said,
I guess I do want to open a wrestling camp.

(00:37):
And from that point on he broke in Bob Backland,
Jesse Ventur, who told us we'd never make it, and
and it went on from there. It was all a
wish of ours, all a chance that we took, and
it all worked out for us. And about the twelve
individuals that just inventure of the governor tools that would
make it.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Have Could this be a brad Reagons or no, this
is the Eddy Sharky Is that sharky?

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, we were working at a barco Brahma Bee's and
we were bouncing the earlier. You know, we had blasted
with the wet T shirt nights and it was the
best time we had a probably well off our life
ntil we got going into wrestling, you know. And and
Eddie was Eddie was a bartender. And Eddie said, hey,
you guys didn't want to go in to the wrestling camp.
And you know, like anything out every first approach it
that we go.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
What you guys weren't wrestling fans before this?

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Well a little bit. Yeah, everybody in Minnesota is an
a w a fan, right, you grow up. You grew
up with vern Gania and you used to look at
vern Ghani seeing Greg Granny and Jim Brunzell on TV
and stay, now, I know that if the guys in
wrestling are tough, but I know we can kick their
ass back. What we said every time we looked at
that TV man so and you know, so that's the
way we that's Wally wrestling. We really knew because Campbell

(01:44):
was just getting hot, right, and the guys who actually
was the neighborhood to that money. They had cable and
every once in a while I go over Buddy's house
now and I got to see who snook it was
or who you know, Hogan wasn't even nothing that at
that time, you know, So.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
What was training like as far as training, who's.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
A brutal we had and uh Max, then we took
bumps on it. We had the stuff, the padding back in.
We were wrestled in a boxing ring that was the
equivalent of any boxing ring, which is uh uh you
know railroad ties is a piece of fly with its
a canvas sort. So it was really a school harder knocks.
I mean Eddie Shark, he didn't He was a good person,

(02:19):
he knew good tim but he didn't know how to
teach us. He didn't heat. He's thinking about k Fame
Carr and he swerve and curve and or any of
that stuff. He just uh, he just knew they were
gonna make it because we had the rod tone. Although
he didn't teach his too many mechanics. I guess at
the time, you know, we weren't getting swerved a little bit,
but never even knew it because we were getting worked

(02:40):
and was working around the back. Because that said yw
I'm getting a ring with you, and I'll show you.
Because Eddie wrestled Harley Lace, Hardy Race and a couple
of champions, World Champion of Matches, you know. He said, wow,
Ed sharky, you know. And his wife was a good wrestler,
a female wrestler, you know. And so we said, oh great,
you know, Edie's gonna teach me get in the ring.
By the time I got, he would see us goof
up and punch each other in a No, was a
bar bleed like Ed go off, God, I just got

(03:02):
a hernia kicking in a ring today. That happen every day.
He had something he would never get in a ring
with us. He was a scared shitless. Ed was about
five six at about one hundred and seventy silking, a
wet you know. So he wasn't gonna jump in the
ring with us. But Hawk said, though that ring was brutal.
You picture, you know, it's about five feet wider in
this hotel room here, and it was like taking bumps

(03:23):
on the cement. We wouldn't we wouldn't work in a
ring like oh no, no, you walk in a ring
like that now they you say, turn around, out the door.
You wouldn't even do it right right, you know, it
was horrible.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Who are some of the other guys that are stars
right now that were on the camel The first original
Joe Ramsen, Rick Rude who went Rest of Soul, and
Garry Darcill used to be Demolition and the Repo Repot
smashed Demolition right.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Barry Darsal was the other guy in there, and then
later on Scott and Norton was Scottie Norton went through it,
he Man Nord went through it, the Barbarian, uh, Wayne Gloom,
Mike Nis. Yeah. So there's there's been a numerous bunch
of guys that came out of Minnesota from there.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
What tarbetar did you guys get into it? First?

Speaker 3 (04:05):
It started out words Teamship Wrestling in June sixth, nineteen
eighty three.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Okay, that be Georgia.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
George Champions and Anderson, then the nw A and the
World Chair Georgia champig.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Was the Georgia locker room tougher on you guys because
you guys received such a like part part push, a
big push when you guys were.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
Actually the guys were actually pretty good. The only guy
was the real assholes. Buzz Sawyer right, but buzz is
always an asshole. That started more. Not anymore, he's a
dead one. But I mean that was Buzzy's personality, you know,
and he had he was the booker under at that time. Yeah,
at that time, that that the that territory was dead right.
It wasn't doing anything when we first walked in there,
you know. I mean we didn't know what was going

(04:46):
on either. I mean, here we are, we got we
got the belts right away, we're going and getting we
have with ll ring. That was the best thing to
happen to us. Paul, right, Paul Allen was a shooting
manners a jacket Q And by the way, he just
finished the did ride this year.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, we're supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Enah and he Paul how actually how we actually sat
down with a lot of young guys do not do
today and I've recommended this guy and we sat down
with a little piece of paper and Paul said, hey,
you guys got to look at us like a baby.
You've got to learn how to crawl before you can
stand up. You got to learn how to stand up
before you can walk. And you got to learn that
and walk before you can run, and we straw it
on a piece of paper and say, okay, Hawk, you're here. Animal,

(05:20):
you're here. When you get this guy in a certain position,
there's animal comes in the boom you tang off of
blue Hawkey, come in to the poles line of whatever,
boom and you're done. The first time together Joe was
the original road Warrior. First time together our national television
Georgia Championship. I had worked three matches at are el
TIMEQUI thrown up after every match because the mirrors. So
now we get us on national television. We got the
belts and always says to us, so we Anders says, listen,

(05:44):
just go out and kick the shit out of these guys,
he says, because you don't know how to work, he says,
And if they've been a problem with it, they will
get a job somewhere else. So we literally did beat
the shit out of and of course at the end
we were gentleman enough to say we were sorry unless
we didn't like. Yeah, and a lot of it, and
a lot of it be honest with you, at least

(06:05):
for me. In the first three four months, I mean,
I actually thought, well, this way the businesses guys gonna
behitting this hard backs what we got to ring with
Rodney Garvin. He nailed it. I mean, you know, we don't.
We liked it there. It was pretty cool. It's one
way we wanted it. I mean we we It's all
we did was bouncing, you know, football and everything else
to a super stiff Yeah, we didn't mind him go
to Japan. It was super stiff, you know. And so
we didn't really know any different, right right also, and

(06:27):
but we just accepted it that way until finally we
gotta got to ring with Stan Hansen, and we weren't
going to stand in only anything. They finally camure, boys,
this is the way it's done. But he's been an hour.
You can. Teachers had the best teachers we had. Really,
we're all in the old time. The real old schoolers

(06:48):
were the last of the old schoolers, I believe, because
I see all these kids that getting broken in by
Vinc Sickman and w. C W and they think they
know it all. They don't come in Assrael. I remember
the days with Dick More teaching me how to do
the headlock. Ray all right, those guys helped us because
they saw money in us. They saw that if they
got us over, we don't make money. Now, it's the

(07:11):
collection in the back, It's the stiletical collection in the
bad Nobody trusts nobody. I would say that the atmosphere
is better than the WWF if you get along with
Vincic Man. Personally, the most evil man in the world
that I've ever met in my forty two years is
Vincic Man. He is sheer, pure evil. I hope, and

(07:32):
I will say this if you can document it, that
I outlive him in life, because if I do, I'm
gonna drink a bunch of Schlitzmall liquor, take a flight
to Connecticut and do some horrendous things. You know, a
lot of exact true to what he's saying. That's why
you'll see guys now that are supposedly, you know, we're

(07:52):
a different situation. We're considered, I guess now to be
up there old timers. But still you know, I'm still
in my thirties, very early forties. So and then you
know this business. You know Rob that you know, in
this business, guys will get breaks to the thirty thirty
five usually, you know, very seldom to this guy like
Rock get a break as young as he gets right,
you know, he's a tremendous athlete of doing it. But

(08:13):
you know, and he's exactly what he's saying is when
you get the guys. Now, that's why these guys that
are up there and got experience the business don't want
to help out young guys because you can see arrogant,
smart ass attitude walking by. I like a lot of
the guys, but even even even Hunter guy, you know,
I like Hunter got a little bit of an arrogance doing,
you know, and he really is not the most fluent
guy you've ever seen in the ring guy. You know,

(08:34):
there's a lot as that came up on under us
and then like we came up on the guys and
surpassed him. We always had respect for him, ass we
surpassed him. Okay, these guys come up, it's not like that.
It's first fall. In order to be in the WW
if you have to be a definite kiss ash, you
have to be a yes sir, no sir. We got

(08:54):
paid the last year of our contract of the Last
Supper one whole year's pay for not working one time
but in Japan, and that was because we are that
big with thorn in Vincent Man's side, because we speak
the truth. We go in, we go on lock and go,
well this is fucked, or that's fucked, or you're fucking
up there, or they're fucking us. And Vincent Man is

(09:17):
taking me an animal side a many times. If you
guys are gonna be careful what you say in locker, mvote,
what are you talking about this free speech? He says, well,
you know, guys tend to listen to you. I said, well,
then buy a ear plugs. I said, at the bottom
line is Vince, I'm not gonna change. Joe's not gonna change.
I said, everything went well in our career. We were thankful,
we were humble. We think the guys that helped us,

(09:39):
We think the promoters helped us until we got to
you in ninety to ninety two and this last time
where you consistently lie to us. Jim Crockett was a
good promoter. His only downfall was he he favored his
top money guys and wouldn't talk to the other guys.
Paul Bosch was a classic. Don Owens was a classic
Bill Watts. Nobody's gonna Bill farts. He would in our

(10:03):
book and he was a real controller. All a vern guy.
Yet we've seen him go up, we've seen him go down.
That's because they stepped up too many people's feet along
the way. Now, Vincent man, as big and high mighty
as he is, his pockets still are not as deep
as ted Turners, and they'll be fighting back and forth

(10:24):
and back and forth. The Turner, I think, is going
to go to the family route, and I believe Vince
is gonna stay where he's at. Well, eventually that's gonna
come down on him too. It's gotta come down because
we're talking about our kids in our future. Wrestling used
to be for the kids, the parents finding the kids
enjoy it. Now suck it, flipping the bird, doing all
this stuff that's not for that. The other day, you know,
because I got kids. Uh, the other day there is

(10:47):
an eight year old Paralyzed's for your older brother? Again?
Do want to move on having Minneapolis too? I mean,
he says, the kids do not watch a show. The
kids watch a show right, let's face. You know, no
matter how much the parents want to keep it away, you.

Speaker 5 (11:03):
Go to school, your buddies are all talking about you know, hey,
years he had the rock, did or really much smack
down and whatever you know, you know, come watch it,
come watch come watch you know when we were we
did the sixth Man came down from the from the
from the stands with Amed Johnson.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
That was a big thing and Vince could have made
a lot of money at that. But see, Vince does
not own us. He never has owned us. You never
owned our names. Always own he leases them from He
leases it from us from the term of the contractor.
And you can't. That's a big thorn in the name
another Restler because whole cads you used to have to
pay Marvel Comics to use old So we've never met
any rushers and we know their own their own name

(11:37):
of less, they're any small promotion.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
Right, Going back to Georgia championshpressing, what are some of
your memories team with Jake Roberts when you guys first
came in.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, I tell you it was fun with George. That's
what we were with Ellering and that's where Ellering formed
the Legion of Doom. Walk actually came up with the
Legion of Doom. We got that from the Marvel comics, right,
mean will beg of the Legion of Doom. That's where
we got to all adjustine ready to do them all
adjuste Ackoman, that's an Ackaman, the Flash and Superman. Everybody's Yeah,

(12:08):
you know, our business is one big cartoon. Let's face it, man,
that's just exactly We're human cartoons, right, you know. But
you can touch us, but you can touch it for
that kid separates us from other sports. Let the people
into our lives a little bit. The other sports are like, hey,
back off, I'm not going to give you autograph. You
gotta pay me a hunter grand for it, you know.
And I'd also like to think that and not to

(12:29):
think no that during our you know, eighteen soon of
the nineteen years that we have done as much as
we can for the children and the Shriners' hospitals and
leukemia patients and cancer patients because it's a saft spot
with us. Of course, it's one thing to go do
a benefit golf tour. Sure, that's a lot of fun,
but a lot of times I don't know that the

(12:51):
kids aren't there. We get on we get on our
hands kees and talk to kids in hospitals. I WoT
a kid up out of a coma down in Tampa, Florida,
which I'll never forget, and I think that Vincickman has
lost a little bit touching that how can you go
to kids in hospitals are dying and say send your superstars,
and when your superstars are saying suck at the fuck

(13:11):
it and everything else. So you know, uh, it's it's
it's just different. I hope that w c W takes
it upon themselves because it tend to go back to
a more family orientated wrestling. It doesn't mean you can't
have a you know, I supposed you gotta have your villains,

(13:32):
you gotta have the people that you gotta have somebody
to fan. It could eat foreign objects, Yeah, there's gotta be.
But you know, back at that particular time with Georgetownton Wrestling,
at one time I lived with Jake, which is the
real experience. Hawk lived with Jake two, you know, and
that's but there are some times there with Jake.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Roberts Man, I just I just talked to them today.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah he's good. He just needs to take care of you. Yeah,
it takes this little little out there still you know,
he's a big guy. But it was fun. That's when
we had the spoiler Jake roberts and Hawk and Eye
and Paul think were the Legion do right? And then
then when Don Jardine left and Spoiler left, you know,
and then Jake part of ways. And the only reason
we went to Legion du is because Vincent Man at

(14:14):
that time in nineties ninety two, said he wanted to
take the paint ups. He want us to throw our
hair out. He wanted to give us a different name.
We said Legion of Doom. He didn't realize that we
owned that one too. Uh. He didn't realize about Road Warriors,
but he thought he'd get the wrestling fans two mites
up by Ultimate Warrior Road word. Well, right, I know
that a lot of people in the public think their
wrestling fans are dumb, but they're not dumb, right right,

(14:37):
They're as smart as it could be.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Now, definitely with the Georgia, what was only Edison Lake
as a booker.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
I liked always a stand up guy like That's where
all his only problems and that was probably a few.
If we have a fault with Vince that we just
tell him exactly he wasn't. We learned a lot a
lot of guys didn't like brom only because he told
was on his mind. Yeah, it was a good promoter
if only and everybody you know, stabbing in the back
that that company would have been the top company route

(15:04):
all he had to Nucleus. He had everybody there, you know,
you know, he had everything going and it isn't give
him even w c W when only went to w
CW years later, they didn't give all you a fair
shot out doing it. It's all political. Yeah, it's all from.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
There from Georgia. I guess you went to w A.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Well, we worked there for nw AW. Uh, it's combined.
We're the first wrestlers ever to work for two major
promotions at once. They were both wooing US and Jim
Krack at one. Because you have for this moment, I.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Was gonna ask you about that. You came in and
you worked with the Pablos Ones at first, but with
with Vernon Garnea.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah, well the aw for a little while, vern didn't
understand that the idea that we were coming out of
the heel locker room and set Paul Chicago, Denver, San Francisco,
coming out of the heel locker room and getting ovations
and the fantastic ones we're getting or the famulous ones
were getting booed, because see that's the time that Freddy

(16:02):
Krueger came out. That's the time the original terminator came out.
And people love to heal. They want to sign with
the healing that. You know, We've always been in this
business until we had to do it. We did last
time the business no events where the guys are barber
whole gimming. Our gig is hey where the guys said
we're going to do we do it right right, and
we've always done it, and we would try to be

(16:24):
businessman this last time around events. And then he was
there of the knife in the back, but Evince every season.
I'd like to thank you both from the bottom of
our hearts for that huge last year's worth of contract,
for paying and working and doing nothing. I was on
the beach every day events. I bet you were. I
bet you were old up and some stinky lousing arena

(16:45):
telling people what to do. But for a guy like
you being that, you think you're freaking God, I bet
you were having fun. But I'll tell you what I
talked to God on a regular basis. You know what,
you're going to hell with the fabs we had we
had imagine the fabs and they wanted to do the

(17:09):
old switcher roof finish up. Yeah, what I mean? What
did they look so much alike? Right? Man? Look like
since when a skinner looked like like Lane? You know?
Come on, you know? So they what they want to
do else are real? And we looked at the joy
he said, hey, no man, hell reputation and we're going
to go get you. Kidd me. We're still thinking back

(17:29):
at the bar Ain't no way, we're all forward and crab.
No way, that's barbar, I said Paul. This same right
is there and Paul goes slamming them through the man.
And what's happened is I slammed one of them. The
man's like curb current. He got was so hurt. And
I do love Steve Caarny, but Lane don't touch my hair.
That's that's all he's had. But I can't pull up there.

(17:54):
And he goes, hey, hey, now I hope lungs don't
pull out. Uh. I slammed currently granted the chair uh.
His partner trying to make a comeback with howk and
then lass against the too ms even though it is
work and we wand him beat the ship out of him.
He came back in a chair and we do with
Brody tools Bruise and Brodie wrestlers, So don't take one chair,

(18:16):
take ten, and it makes sense. That's what we did.
So that's where that one lived. And then throughout that
we were just getting in, we're getting into a little
issue with Krack would bring us in and we would
we would wrestle. You know. That's when Niketa was getting
a big push and then you know he went against
I haven't and uh, well Barry was in Crusher Kruse
jet right, you know, Barry, I haven't a crusher cruise

(18:37):
chet and then they and then he got hurt, hurt
his knee. Berry did and then we went to the
Keda and I haven't.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Did Vince ever try to son you that that.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Are he tried at them Pat the time when uh,
when OI was just losing it, Vince was coming I
think that time was coming up. Sold him out, Yeah,
but Briscol sold him. But yeah, but only as a
matter of fact, that was the first time who was
at Norton or Kelly that he was going to have
the head downstairs at the down at that offices. That

(19:03):
was Norton. Yeah, got Norton before we got into the business.
Vince is gonna come down at very Strongham brought Scotty Norton.
Norton in that office for a week. Maybe it was
going to come in They're gonna get killed. Would have
killed them, you know, but that's what what was going
on in that particular time.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
It was I guess that Superclass n b A. You
wrestled the free Birds. What are some of your memories
of working with those guys?

Speaker 3 (19:26):
I mean a commist Can park. No, Superclass was the
one in the dome, right, Oh yeah, that was Russell
Superclass Park. After the baseball game. Yeah, yeah, that was
that's what that was. That table and that table had
a wee two hundred pounds. Yeah, we thought it was
a regular wooden right. Oh my god. Well no, that

(19:47):
was a wonderful thing because it was the first time
anything like that had been done. After nine and he's
a base bell. You know, people did stick around to watch.
More people came in to watch the wrestling the game. Yeah, well,
you know two Chicago, you know, hey, it's hometown.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
It's true also at the time.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
We'll know this is later on actually, but uh well,
I guess we'll talk about this now.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Memories of your matches in Japan. I guess you work
a lot on there with Harley Race and not Stan Hansen.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Over there who worked with Stan Hansen, And we never
had the opportunity for a match that the Japanese would
love to see more than anything work but Brody and Hansen.
We worked a few times with Hanson, but we were
uh not there on a full time basis. Eventually Stan
moved to All Japan and we went back for New
Champion All Japan. We had some great matches with like

(20:37):
Choshu and Yatsu was the one guy who after ten
years of pro wrestling went and won the Pan American Games.
After wrestling for ten years, bro decided to train for
Land and One A right and.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
And cho care about Sera just died?

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Did he really? Yeah? What I think?

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Cant and storing there giving him a Kidd transplant or
something and he died in surgery.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, he had appetitus up b it's almost deadly. My
brother Johnny just went back there, I think.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
But you know that's the Flare Club plus like to
what that TV he collapsed that TV Florid. Yeah, it
wasn't work either.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
It was really well. We went over the last time
for the dedication of John, Bob and Boba Dyed I
mean Vince trying to do the deal or Pritchard did that.
We went over there to get paper. We would have
went over there to free as respect to Boba, you know,
that's just he gave us our first time over there,
you know. But that office is they're two different offices.
One's very very ethnic, old style and one's kind of

(21:48):
more up to date paced experience. Little American mate, you know. So,
but we had great mates matches there, you know, and
we ran We were actually we were actually the only
team to take the belts out of there and to
defend them while we had the other belts against the
World Belts for the n w a R.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
What are some of your matches or memories of your
matches with the Funks.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Only had really matches with the Funks, And one was
in Puerto Rico, what was in Japan? Japan? And you
know what there was? It was monkey You see what
you do, they pick up a board, We pick up
a board, They pick up a trash can we pick
up They go through the people, we go I think
through the Japanese. That was almost like a changing on
the guard for taking Yeah, because the Funks were the team,

(22:31):
right and they were very well respected, which they should
have been. They've spent a lot of time over there
and had great invitations any Terry Funks very still going,
oh God, bless you guys. You know, but you know,
and then we wrestled those guys over there. It was just,
you know, it was actually our start. When we came
back from Japan, things really started to take it off
right right. I think it started to be a.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Big kick before you signed with Krockett.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
They did a NWA I guess it was a fan
of pedal change with Steve Rigal and Jimmy Garvin.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
What was the yeah that was that was because we're
on our day. I think that's because we're in the
NBA at Denver, Denver. Yeah, you know, you know what,
that would have never happened if we because many times
Vern Downey would say two minutes before it to eighteen
thousand people sold out Saint Paul City Center at Chicago wherever. Uh, hey,
I switched my plans. I want to do this, and

(23:19):
we tell them we lay the belts down and started
taking off our closer and go We'll go to do
it with somebody else. You can't do that. So he's
telling me and him we can't do it. We're doing it.
There's your fucking belts. I don't give a ship, you
know what I mean? European and answer to work with anyways.
But at that point we were moving on. Yeah, that
was a situation too though that we were We had

(23:41):
dropped them to him and we were supposed to get
him back at some time, but I never can't back right.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
What was your initial questions of Dusty oroids when you're right, oh,
we liked.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
Just well, Dusty took care of us. Dusty was he
didn't protect us. But Dusty is a very smart businessman.
He knows it makes money that comes. But I person
think of that company was smart and does he should
be running Dow right now. Give the guy is at
a history of making money all the time, up to
date money. He goes in a little small comes down,

(24:12):
but he always comes back up and comes back up
to date, right you know, And that's what I think
that's you should do.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
When you first came in there, you worked the program
with the Russians.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Right yeah, well with the way yeah yeah, yeah, well
not right away went pretty close right away because we
had done nothing to change the people's fifty percent of
the people ate us, fifty percent of the people wanted
wanted a reason, fifty percent of people like us. Fifty
percent that he hated us wanted a reason like us.
It was a cold wartime, and we wrestled the Russians

(24:40):
and automatic made us speak guys. At the time Rock
and Roll Express had to get it going. Then they
had the key to the other Russian so they actually
had four guys and we actually did an eight man
with a rock and Roll against the Russians for Crockett
at an outdoor show and uh, and then we worked
our whole little deal off of that. And where did
I have it in Nikita.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
For the whole time when you guys worked in the NWA.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Was there any animosity between you and Rock and Over
Express for the time spot, No, there're.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Two different, two different groups of kids. But they were
the little little girly things. They were basically young teenage,
and you know, we were we were the guys. The girls.
I like everybody to keep everybody's ass. They like the
guys that got beat up and came through. You know,
we did that, and we were just the guys that
you know called people wheel slappers and beat them up.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Did you guys enjoy being faces or heels more?

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Uh? You know both in both, you know. To be
honest with you, we very we very rarely changed our
style being a baby face.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
The only time we really had to is when we
tried to work this last time around with with uh
d X. That's all like the Billy and Brian were
soon in experienced that he had to really try to
over there. They're supposed to be heels like baby they
ruined plus plus what they were doing with us, what
they're doing with us. Events promised us two years and

(25:59):
get your you know, in later years, get this talent
over and then then I'll reviewed the last year out.
He just left to sit out. So just another life
from Vinstrictman. But the one thing that we have that
Vincent Man came and get his teeth into is Japan.
So we're gonna go back to Japan work for all
Japan or New Japan or something like that, and worked
the independence. So we're gonna be happy. We have three

(26:21):
or four years look that we want to do this.
We have other businesses we're involved in and just just
kind of supplement our England right now, right.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
But batched eighty six. You wrestled a lot of singles
matches with Rick Flatt.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Yeah, it was it hard to everyone.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
It was a hard separating for the tag team.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Oh, it's always hard. I had to do it. When
I animal was heard, I went over to the Gapan
and made the hill Racers, right. I wasna about that,
but yeah, we when I went over there, the first
thing he said, and they had us written out as
the new road works. This first time I appeared with him,
Ris said no, no, no, no, no no. I said,
there's only two roadworks. That's my partner and me, I said,
I always slept out of him. I said, he can't

(26:55):
work right now. But the thing that it is h
and at that time too, when I split it, right
when he got hurt, I had to get out of
the business for my own personal reasons and I took
some time off. And uh, what were we talking about
the hill Rache thing, which is something to keep me
afloat until he got beat?

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Was there any animosity between you two?

Speaker 3 (27:16):
And he knew what I had to do. He was
he had heard insurance steal going and he and I
had to. It was it was a great to me,
a great compliment that they say, Hawk, you know you
an animal here. Now you have Kinski you but he's here,
he's young boy. Can you get here to give me
one tour in three weeks? He was a monster, that

(27:39):
is he didn't have ring president. It's just a big
that is a big flattery and a big you know,
that was a big compliments comment to him on how
you could have done just an easy thing. He was
just as easy as I. You could have done just
as I at the time. He was in a position
to do it. And and it goes show you how
much expected Japanese half for our gimmick. Right, you know

(28:00):
what else he did on the last I was over there,
and on four week got over tour and I told
him and August, I said, you don't want to bring
my dad over. And after first of all, I brought
Kinski green shoulder pads and can't work colors, so I
gave him green, call him power warrior, and I brought
him these and they said, how much will we owe
you for these? I'm making these. I'm getting them from
right Dell for chief. That cost me about a buck

(28:21):
and a half to make displace, and they can't even
believe that I'm giving him to them. They had made
a five thousand dollars a pair of Melas swag from
I said, well, we'll save those for the big shows,
you know. So then when I came but I came
back to the next time, they had a two pair

(28:42):
of lambskin boots for me that were accustomed to my
feet that were two thousand dollars a pair, so I mean,
and then on top of it all, they flew my
dad or for four weeks all about respect. You know.
It's like for instantances like Terry Funk. There's a guy
and Stan Hanson still going strong over there. He backs
off because he wants a back, but Stan will work
there till stands done working. And the thing in Japan,

(29:04):
as long as you can go and you can move
and your gimmick is over already, you can go there
for life, which is is what here in the stateship
people need to realize. We're in this mindset today because
of pro sports. You got to be a young Alan Irison.
You gotta be a Kevin Barnett coming out of high school.
You gotta be a Kobe Bryant coming out of high school,

(29:25):
you know, to be something in sports. It's is total bullshit.
Where do you think these kids learning from all these
kids learning from the guys who paved the way and
got you there, opened that door. There's come into my world, son,
you know. And still any day of the week. You know,
those young kids, they can get schooled by anybody. You know,
it's to be used to become Honery Mertons. Boys. Now

(29:45):
it's everybody's out for everybody else unless you got a
fertimal group of friends. I don't want to call them clips,
clips or whatever. In the WCW or in WWF, all
the guys got along, all the guys got along sets
certain people like us to be along with this. For
if you don't want to with Vincent, you don't want
to browns and kiss his ass, or if he tells

(30:05):
me to do one thing, he tells me to let
go left, I'm going right. Well, I'll tell you what.
It's the point, point and blank. Yeah, Hey, any one
of these top stars in the NBA right now, Jordan
can put her shoes on tomorrow, come back and face
them all kill him. And it's just like it's like
even though our business of work and tag team. There's
still nobody out there that can touch what we can
do it to take. We can make this tag you

(30:27):
match a great one, can make it a good one.
And then you think you're that hot and you think
your ship don't Sting will make it a ship one.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
What was your initial questions of demolitional events?

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Counna get you the biggest They copied us the Vince
gonna try it and they don't understand you can't just
put guys in paint and tell him to be something. Yeah,
well good, we took him under our Sting was more
our suggestion of the n w A than Sting's on suggestion.
Sting had the paint. But Kracky came up to us
and says, what do you guys think? I said, bring

(30:56):
him in. We'll call my brothers in paint. We'll take
him under our wing. And that's how he got into
They weren't even gonna take him, but that's how he
got into the Warriors, you know. So, I mean, you
know you just can't paint up a couple of guys
were worked great for us as we were Animal Hawk.
I mean even outside of the ring, we were out

(31:18):
of afore we were animal hawk you know what I mean,
I mean what we did for a living. We are
animal and hawk you know over Joe Mike. But we
were animal Hawk doing it as road not even know
we're doing this road. And then we took that whatever
we did in our interviews and everything else we said
to a lot of guys in bars when they would
give a ship, we took that implemented it into our
business and we just reacted on what we knew athletically

(31:39):
and what to do on how the street fight a
little bit right, and then we converted over by adding moves, power, science, press, lambs,
this and that here and there at the first sheet.
Still ye yeah, but you know so that's that. That's
what I'm saying. The demolition, there's two wrestlers. You try
to make fighters didn't work. Same with now the new guys.
They got to crushing and bot two painting up guys

(32:01):
look like more like kiss than do anything else that
are trying. I don't know what to try to do.
They can't even wrestle. I've got I love Brian Aftles don't,
but but there's no wrestling there. Really, there's no tag
team is a big chemistry. Man, you gotta know when
I'm in a ring and I know where he's going
with his spot, I know his whole match in my head,
what he's going. He knows what I'm supposed to do too,

(32:21):
And you just got to learn that some screws up.
I know, I know right where to tell him to go.
You know right where to tell me where I'm at.
So I looked at him sometimes, m jet light, where
are we? Oh? All right, you keep going, you know,
And so that's that's you just got to have that
a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
What are some of your memories working on the Midnight
Express one?

Speaker 3 (32:38):
You know, it's another those guys totally blander to Iron
and Rifler the most responsible guys for getting us over
to beginning with us, because Bobby and Bobby how to
make They knew how to make monsters.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
What are your members of the Scaffold mentioned?

Speaker 3 (32:53):
They were the worst things that they wonder we ever did.
Of course, you know, after we thought we were getting
Cabby and draft kicks up there on him and everything
else after a while, but we probably did have over
one hundred of them. Yeah, I think that right more
than anybody. They're done on scaffold. Those are dangerous match.
I told that. As a matter of fact, Barbarian Warward

(33:13):
came to me when they first went to the w
w F in ninety right or whatever it was. They
asked you, says Joe Warwort says, I'm three thirty barbarians
three ten. He said, what do you? What would you
guys do? I said, well, if they were gonna make
me fall from that, what would I do? I said,
I'd be gone. I told him that they left twenty feet.
That's a little fall away to drop man for a
big guys. Well, Cornett, right, Bubbas was a catching boss man,

(33:37):
and he missed both of his knees. I was sitting
there because I had him like this, right, and I'm
watching him. I laughed, my butt, I hit the grounding
a guy, damn piece of jellof Right, that's funny.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Why do you think it took so long for you
guys to get some of the belts in Nwa?

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Well, I don't even remember that. It didn't take a
so long. Oh, we're probably because they were crying of me.
We had the Japanese belts, so we had them for
a whole years. So what Obba's belts. Ye all Japan belts.
We didn't have the belts there for about a good
year year and a half because they had the man
that express and you know why, Only came or not only,
but Dusty came told us Cracks said, you guys do

(34:17):
not need belts to draw money. We had the big
We didn't have any belts. We were selling out with
those six mans and those we had six man belts.
We were selling out with those six mans and eight
mans all around the country, especially war games Baltimore, the
war games and everything else. We our gimmick is based
on what we had for years. And it's too bad

(34:37):
the business went to isolated contracts for companies because our
business is based on if Flair or Hogan's getting I
still thought this would have been a big, huge money
maker a w w F and Vince just kind of
smirked out when I told him. I said, Vince, you've
imagined if three guys are just giving Hogan the ship.
Hogan's got this program with somebody that had a big
thing with Boss Man. We want to Boss went the

(34:57):
hell of the heel to one on boom. You have
two guys jump in and as Hogan's getting a bes
a boss man and he has a WrestleMania and he
goes I got two partners to bring in and all
of Sudden Hawk and I work. That would have been
one of the biggest paydays, one of the biggest because
at that time Mogen was here for this company, We
were here for this company. It would have been the

(35:17):
big crossover to the w w F and he just
started at it and you know it. But you know,
that would have been a big money the grat thing.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Trying to think.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Back in the eighties it was a big man sport
and today it's changed a little bit with a lot
of little guys in the cruise away.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Because they wan't all that high flying activity and those
guys are gonnall have short careers and I could be
around for eighteen years or two.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Was there a lot of pressure back in those days
of the steroids and stuff like that? Was there much.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Of pressure for us to be STEEROI right, I don't know.
It was upon everybody else's, the individual's decision. And the
only problem, the only problem that steroids ever caused was
one of Vince was stupid enough to get caught with him.
So you know now, at all that hullered baloo came up.
You see, it doesn't It doesn't really change. Uh, they

(36:08):
had all that federal defense. Now you're talking to us
in this name. We had to take the Pete disk,
which don't say the problem with everybody got up. But
it doesn't look like everybody's off now it. I don't
think at that particular time that the steroid issue. You
gotta understand, steroids were not the class it is now,
and they were not illegal. They were not a different

(36:31):
class of drugs. Back then when we were able to
take them, you can go to a doctor, get a
script to go get them and there's no problem with it.
And at that time it was no different than you
go into a doctor saying the old doctor, I got
a back ache. Here. I want to take the day's
a year two. It helps you. We were a twitter
for the day. That helps your muscle recovery a lot better.
It does not help you. You cannot get You still
gotta work your butt off in a chimbin. Eight. People

(36:53):
got a misconception about them, and I'm not defending them
by any means. There's a misconception that if you take it,
you're gonna get a huge and big rip people's time.
There's an you'll work it out, you know, every day
on the road and like you said, two hundred and
fifty to two hundred ninety days a year. You know,
it was down at that time. It was ill it
was legal. You get always jackoffs and the bars, and hey,

(37:14):
you're like, we'll go ahead and do your stereoids, keep
your fucking drinking out, and you know, guess what you
you are going to just turn into a fat fucking slot.
That's what you're into, and you're gonna put the work
in regardless. Be honest with you. When they made him,
when they made him I legal, guys stopped taking them.
People start getting tested, you know, and as you can

(37:35):
tell over time, time has proved the theory. They're not
the bad boy that everybody said they were. You don't
see guys dropping off left the right cause of them.
Guys are dying from other things, are dying from that,
you know what I mean. They're dying from other cracks.
You can still get him from your doctors, you know,
because one doctor is gonna was gonna turn you down.
It's as from one together and left the stories and
growth from all right, growth from all was legal. I mean,

(37:57):
so there's no side effects to us. So what's you
know there's still a wonder drug? Yeah, that a call
the thought that youth for older people to take arthletic
athritic patients for osteoporosis. All starts to cry.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
You know, so you know, what do you remember in
the First War Games?

Speaker 3 (38:12):
I remember the First War Games? Was is that the
one that was Vulling's shoulder? Yeah? Yeah, that was the
one where there was four or five heels. They're in
a four baby is man. It was the last one.
I'm going to look at all these comebacks. Everybody's the
way to come back. What am I gonna do? First
thing I do is being able luga. I threw him
and I closed mine. I knock him out second to think,

(38:32):
that's how excited I was, And I telephone who Flaire
gave my short clothes on? He goes once the short
clothes and I pulled him off the rope and then
picked up to my answer and I said press and
I said spear. And that's what I meant to that
is I guess something that he didn't figure out. Maybe
it's a new tournament. I just came up his head
into the turnbuckle. He came down like this. Lugers just

(38:55):
waking up here. He is growing across the floor too,
Ale bench going funck this ship. Oh, I was laughing
my ass off. I'm sitting here in a corner. I'm
watching it.

Speaker 5 (39:05):
You know.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
You know the guy, last guy comes out, everybody pulled
back to a corner. Heels do something to you. You
sit down, you watch everybody go to charge talk And
as they dropped, as Hawk came in the ring, they
dropped like dominoes, every one of them, every one of
those ship up. I was just excited, God, get me
out of here, you know. And he was killing everybody. Well,
he sat there for thirty minutes watching everybody fighting, right,

(39:28):
I mean I was, I mean, honey, what do you
do it? There's four or five comebacks? What's the fucking left.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
When they actually turned to heel on, I think it
was sting right, and the crowd cheered Chicago, I tried.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
The crowd cheered, if you try to do it again
in Richmond, Virginia, and they popped again.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Did you guys were for the idea of turning Hell?

Speaker 3 (39:49):
It was stupid. It was why why stop it? People
were starting to buy T shirts, the merchandise starting to
go why would you why would you change something like that?
It didn't make any sense, stinging Lou, We're a dead time.
We're not bigging up baby faces and turners, to be
honest with the only one that really could have turned
at that time would have been holding Well.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Then he spiked Dusty's eye too.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah, cheered on that. How do you dub that sound?
In on World CHAMPIONSI wrestling to people are cheering in
the in the stands, there are five rows of people
and you're going like this and I you know, and
blood's coming everywhere. Yeah, killed the way out, killed the
way I'm going to get This guy was our friend.
He's you know, two weeks ago you loved the guy.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Uh what was the vibe in the company with Tollyann
arn left?

Speaker 3 (40:32):
What was that was a big shock? I like nobody
expected Tolian Iron to go to w W. But I'll
tell you what, there was a problem. There was totally.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
I was gonna bring this up. Totally said he was
upset that Paul Eller is getting more money than he was.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Well, well that's probably true. Well you know what, who's who?
First of all, they broke the confidentiality. Tell him that
sea El did everything for us. He was a guy
who's making over three hundred green and walking down with
the ring. Well, you know, Tilli Wlanchard, he shouldn't bring
in Paul Orion's name. And that's not what you do,

(41:06):
is exactly. You would negotiates your own deal if you
maybe guess what, you know what Paul Oler got through
the greame because he was with us. He was worth it.
He got the money he got because he was worth
only that. And you know what, you know you just
tell them vangelistener, I want to go talk to God
about it. You know, you're you're only you can only
perform as good as you are in the ring. Get

(41:28):
as good as the guy that you're in a ring with.
You know what I mean? If the guy in the
rings the ship, you're gonna have a ship match. You
can't make chicken sella out of chicken ship. Our business
every day is saying so you know, Italian Iren were great.
They were They were the best heeled team for us
to work best. They were actually they were actually a
little better than Bobby and Dennis. Different styles, but they
were nobody's Bobby. But Bobby is the best. Bobby, Bobby

(41:49):
Eaton is the beat. But but as a but as
a team, those two guys were so good together. I
mean they're timing to exactly. You know. They would do
a spotlight laugh every time they ended with threat close
and Tully and turned back around and tell the child
come at him back. It turns back talkers turn and
Tully wouldn't be there. It was just there, you know.
So Tully made a mistake and should have went and

(42:10):
got more money. Well, you can't give it. The think
of it is the bottom Lineer's the reason Paul Owen
had more money because he was worth it. Yeah, you know,
I mean he did plenty of his single mattress too.
There's a guy who uh just finished it. I did
a round. There's a guy who who was detached his
potential tendant twice is quiet, both of his traps detached

(42:30):
his chest. Don't tell me he didn't put it in work.
Blancher was never a junior heavyweight Paul were lifting American
champion Paul Ower. He was was a Jackie Bowl trace.
And that's something else too. Tully Branchard never did step
ups on TV for an hour. Paul did. Paul did
all the other things they asked him to do, you know,
and Paul Paul is just in a different class. And

(42:51):
Telly Religion started knocking the wrestling business and then getting
back into it like Tolly, you know, so he Telly
he had no way to blame it. Tully and aren't
too until he Blanchers did it. Was the nicest guy
in the world jobs playing. Hey, we worked, we told
we we wanted, you know, we actually were hired. We
were higher than when we got and we still didn't

(43:12):
not put a nice deal.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Or your reactions when Crockett sold it and Dusty.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Was going no wet early about that much because we
had another places to go, right, So it's no big
deal to us. When George Scott came in, you know,
shortly after that, when we decided we run our way,
we said it all along this falcon and this other
plan here, this bury is gonna bury. This man you

(43:36):
got a plane Collor starred us. I said, this is
gonna this is too. Mon was a good guy in
Top Guys, but he thought the uh that turnstile of
money fleming in was going to continue. And this has
peaks in its valleys and just about the time that
mister fucking Vince mcmanniquin things said, Uh, you know he's

(43:57):
gonna peak out again here at this XFL. He is
gonna lose money just like you did. The body goes.
That's my opinion.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
It's not just.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Because I can't stand the guy, bottom line, I just
can't stand That's got nothing to do with it. But
he was not gonna be able to go up against
the NFL maybe right off eight thousand bucks, to take
off eight thousand bucks to land right, what's what that
costs you? So you know, what are thank you?

Speaker 2 (44:25):
What are some of your memories with is truly sers
you thought you thought Scott's Finking Center. Somebody said that
you talked kid very smashing.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
We are very, very very fond of match time, personal time,
traveling time. They were after us in Japan undoubtedly another
number two American take team. We had phenomenal match together.
Was our hardcore styling with with their athleticism of of

(44:57):
you know, really incorporating some amateur moves into the business.
And we did stuff with them that I wouldn't trust
too many take teams to do it because it was
off the top rope. And they are strong enough to
do what they need to do with we did. We
did a job for him for the one TV, for
that one paper views both on the shoulder down and

(45:18):
double left thing. You know, those are the only guys
that compeople that have done it for him.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Did you have a lot of problems? Still johns at all?

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Like, no, we didn't it business. It was a business, right,
you know, if you do a job the right way, fine,
you're gonna make an ass out of me, shove it
up your ass. The last two years before we are
out of there, And he didn't just totally annihilate us
only because that was whereas evil intentions and probably the
thing with ninety ninety two I personally more than Joe

(45:45):
drove in the nuts. So when he got us back,
it was almost like he hadn't been debta for us.
It's more of this way. If Nash, whose stock has
went down to zero, there's probably Scott All's too, because
he was the booker who was just lately been recognized
the worst booker in the history of the w CW
for ratings and everything else. He's lost a lot of

(46:06):
stock in himself and probably Sky Holly because they're you know,
good enough to be there. They're good buddies. The thing
is is, now, where's he gonna go after this? Because
they're getting tired of Doug. I mean, if Hogan's back
in the seat with Bishop, they can be longing for
a Nash and be looking for a play school. And
you know what Vince will do to the end, He'll
take him back and trash it. But that's the way

(46:28):
Vince is. Yeah, the Stuns are good guys. Great. I
like those guys. There's a lot of guys like Missmiss
there's a lot of them not to trust.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
When you guys finally signed with Vince, what prompted you
guys to sign?

Speaker 3 (46:42):
First money? Well, he made his promises. He didn't fulfilled again.
You know exactly what we were making with Krackett. And
we said, hey, we'll leave, we'll come to you, and
well we want he goes, I'll give you the opportunity
to make that money. Well, the first year we bought
a half thousand dollars short. The second year was about
the same thing. But as time going there, he called us,

(47:02):
he called us back. We know what we wanted for
three years if I would to, if I you know,
we got what we wanted. We only worked one hundred
and twenty days a year, thirty personal appearances. You need
another guy in the w W who's everden that. As
a matter of fact, we set another pressure about getting
paid for a whole year and doing nothing. Nobody's done it.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
What was the differences in the locker room as far
as I would.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Rather be in the w w F locker room because
other than other than other than Vincent his family at
g W CW, you have clicks. You have the flair click,
you got the hoving click, you got the mask click,
you get the Morning Christian critic. Yeah, you know, and
nobody trusts nobody down there, and that's why they're in
the financial position, and that's why they're doing the ratings

(47:47):
or doing now because you have to work as a unit. Okay,
all the guys were happy. When the guys are happy,
I believe that you know what's smell insane makes dross,
cat creates cash, harmony, creams and harmfully. I mean, I
didn't have any armu with Vince, never will never want to.
He loves count again. And I think, you know, how

(48:11):
do you have? And I understand this? So maybe I'm
an moron in this business, but I don't think so.
How do you pay a guy, first of all, its
promoter's prompt for not having a mandatory amount of dates
for these guys for the money or making? How do
you pay Kevin Nashy's paying put Scott Hall on treatment
five times over the last couple of years, have staying
take off a whole year? Making a million dollars? Brad Hart,

(48:35):
God bad brother is my best friend. I love Red
Heart's the heart, whole Heart Family's class act. Vinces. How
you're paying these guys and not on TV? I mean,
that's your bread and butter. You mean to tell me
you got that's about a five million dollars with a
payroll right there? Not on TV? How do you do that?
Macho man? Not on TV? You know? But he was

(48:56):
off for a whole year. But I'm saying, you know,
at that time he was brand butter to the company.
All those guys were together as a nucleus, right and
none of them are on TV. Scott Hall would go
to a show or Kevin at Ah, God dang it,
I got a goddamn hang Now I can't work tonight
and I go he called up, I can't go. I
got a toy. I mean, how do you do that?

(49:17):
Get away with it?

Speaker 6 (49:18):
No finds, no punishment. That's the problem with the business.
Hawk and I won't ever work probably for over one
hundred days again. And we went back there, right, would
be one hundred days. But I'm saying, if you pay us,
we're gonna be there in that one hundred days at least.
We never welch on a deal like that.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
You know, we're not gonna pull big head if they
give us the push, which and we you know, like
the way we know how to get over. You know,
we're not gonna all of a sudden have our head
up assally say okay, great man, the company's no business again.
You you you you were gonna make more money today
or this month because business is good. You know, it's
for everybody. It's supposed to be a family type of deal.

(49:57):
And right now it's not so individualistic. It's it's diculous.
He's stupid.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
How're he can for you?

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Guys? Int introduced me my way who I'm married to.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Yeah, Terry good.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Uh, you know Terry. It was a hard guy, somewhat
hard guy to get close to because he's always got
people talking there it was Dale coach, you know, and
I don't blame O for that, trust anybody.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
What was your initial series? What was your memories of
your initial series with Demolition as far as.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Max, Well, it was done too early in the program.
We just got there. They put us some Demolition. What
they should have done is made the people clamor for
it six months down the line, then do it right away.
What's the center? I think was to get rid of them. Well,
Vince is a big deal. Here's Vin's a big deal.
We first went in there and in ninety and ninety one, right,
I mean the very first, the very beginning of it.

(50:45):
They put us with the Heart Foundation. He says, you
know there are world champions right now. Those guys are
really over. You know, you guys are gonna be heels.
And he and I looked at each other and said, okay,
we went out there. We were babyfaces. End the story.
You know, Vince's look at each other and oh, I've
got drove him nuts, pissed him off, went there against Demolition.

(51:07):
That was his team. He made up right, because the
Heart Foundation was no longer doing it. He made it up. Well,
we went out there, babyfaces. We went over that people
went nuts, they went crazy. They expected it that people
knew that. You know, back to the old question. Somehow
I got this reputation of this business was not liking
to do jobs. That is total b shause. You know

(51:28):
what they started out from for must years, not asking
having been asked to do jobs. People didn't want to
see us. But then when we started, nobody ever asked
you to do a job. Well, that's for when we
went back to Vincid started, he goes, well, you know
you got this job here, Well we'll do a job.
It's done right, you know what I mean. That's just
laid me out through like a piece of fucking meat,

(51:49):
like a piece of shit meat. This doesn't work that way,
That's what I told him. Then it is a point
like point here. We went back this last time, did
the thing with DX, trying to build the X. Vince
Skates gave a bunch of guys and trying the belts.
These guys we lived at a Vince. These guys have
gotten beat by everybody in the freaking world right now.
They are nothing. You want to beat us, because well

(52:10):
they're gonna beat some of them. They beat you guys.
You guys have a great program with them. You'll be
able to come back the fly off way of boomer
over to them, big bang mane. They're gonna be great
for you. Guys have to do the job. We don't
see him, the guys wies. We did see him again
a little bit. We did another job. We didn't see
him again, right, I said, where is our rebuttle, where's
our push? The bulls are dabbing a back liel like

(52:32):
so you know that's why we why we sat home
last year.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I'm gonna get to that. I'm gonna get up to
that part soon. Members of the match with the Nasty
Boys memories horrible memories.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
They're great guys for for I mean, they move around
well for guys. Or they're both three guys. Know we
when they were going to brand Reagan's camp in Minnesota,
we were living. We were living there and grewing up,
grew up and raised the raised there and you know
what they're also they're also fun guys. You can take
the feral awkward sag or Dobbs a little awkward, but

(53:06):
that's his style. Though he wasn't like that, it wouldn't
be the Nasty Boys. He was real good guys, real
good days.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I don't know if it was the first time you
were in Titan or the second time they did the
thing of the doll.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
That was first first, and Ellering even went to the
point when he and Vests talked about it. Ellering even
went to the point of taking Ventriloka's lessons and everything
to try to make it work for him. And Vince
just wanted to try to make as here the art here.
He's a big two three rocko, that rock they laid

(53:38):
it on fire. Was gonna believe that we're God. I'm
looking for a doll that's our mentor our parents died.
He tried to get a stupid lie up, you know,
but hey, being businessman, we went along with it with
him to show him, Hey, we're here for the company.
We'll be a businessman. And he cut so many ties
with us. Yeah, he's wanted.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
And I believe you were injured I think on the
European but right, yeah, what exactly.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I actually got injured in San Francisco, and then when
I went over and it wasn't a European tour, it
was over in Japan. I was working with the Beverly Brothers.
Took a double soup Lex. Thats why I was a
handicap match late that time. I can't remember, but I
think that's why you missed the European Yeah, that's why
I just know us European. I went on European with Crush,

(54:24):
remember that, and I agreed a little bit. Then then
I came back and then I had a Japan tour
right after that, right, and worked with Beverley Brothers and
they gave me a double soup lex. They landed me
cricket and just went.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Out and then hawked. I guess after that kind of
you guys left. Then after after a little bit, right well,
went over to Japan.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
I think quit him in ninety two. I think I
started working in the end of ninety three and four,
and I finally.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Six until Joe came back, and then w c w
S thinks Mystery Partners, right, and then you worked a
couple of times for ec W.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Yeah, what were your initial I like you because I
could I could go to Paul deanius sleep. Can I
just run out there and do this in the middle
of somebody else imagine? Let me you know they had
they were creative in that way. I mean, if it
wouldn't have been good. They wouldn't let me do it.
But I liked it there like it was good old fashioned,
bloody guns wrestling, and they showed it just did pretty good.

(55:15):
The h at the pay per view gewing up at
the University of MISSONIAEA. Were there, Minnesota? Well they did,
they did pretty good.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
About twenty five was good really? And then I guess
you guys reunited on Nitro. I guess that's when you
guys came back together the team. Yeah, how did you
guys get back together?

Speaker 3 (55:35):
Archfiicial? Oh wait, well we weren't there one. We went there,
we negotiated contract. He led us to believe one thing
like all these rowers are so famous for her and
then trying to cheat us out of it. And we
had signed a letter of in ten and he says,
hold on, now you signed a letter of ten. But
we had already talked to our lawyers. Said I can't

(55:56):
sign a letter of ten to play for Stamford football. Oh,
I don't go to Michigan State. The next day, well
you can take that use for toilet paper.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Was there attention between you guys, because I remember reading
this stuff between you two personally?

Speaker 3 (56:07):
No, no, I mean we've we've been married like eighteen years.
You know, it doesn't get along once in a while.
But now over and over both becoming more mature men.
We start out in this business age twenty three and
twenty five. Oh you're not. You're not going to grown
adult at that time. I mean you might think you are.
But now now we find more I know I do,

(56:29):
and I know he does, find more appreciation for each
other because nobody's done what we've done. And it's not
ton for a second. Even though this business will work,
we want every belt there is to win, taking awn
W A C W C, WWWS all Japan, New Japan, uh,
and then some and they don't give you that ball
to carry unless you can bust through the gates. And

(56:52):
so we've had a very few hard or very few
arguing matches and they all stand out, and probably even
two at the time. And now I would see they
were more dependent on each other, uh, and we're uh,
you know, nobody's trying to nobody's trying to get over
with between the two of us, we're just doing our job,
you know. Most of the other most of our guns
and there was any come from outside interface. Yeah, somebody

(57:15):
stirring a ship somewhere or the other bullshitting somewhere. You know,
start some crap. Don't need definitely believe what you see
another way exactly, so you know from that fact there
was never really never a problem.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
What was the story behind your fight? I guess in
Japan with.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Thought right, any savage said said something that I won't
get into a very much very just because this person
asked me to let it go. I did let it go.
He had the hotspur of this very person who anyways, uh,
he got the living ship kicked out him over there,
a simple bitch slap knocked them and I was on

(57:51):
interferre on for my liver. At the time, I was
the weakest in my in my career and hadn't been
lifting weights. But did the hatred that I had involved
for him. So now he was looking right now. Three
months ago we went to a kid We went to
a kid rock concert. We had a backstage basses and
he came back and certainly after whipping his ass the
way I did the first time, there was I wouldn't

(58:12):
think you don't want to do that again, and has
asked you again, and I had let by guns and
by guys, and so I was tied into one of
the guys from the band members here he came around.
I see him coming around, and I had told security
ahead of time that I had problem with this guy.
Some of you don't want to shake his hand. He
pushed my hand away. The guy was sitting right here
as time dressed. Another big deal, and he sucked me

(58:34):
over here. And you know, he sucked me. I didn't
see it coming. And I'm telling you, if I suck
a somebody, they don't see it. Come. First of all,
I don't suck with people. I'm looking to brain the
eyes if I sucker, by god, if they don't buckle
a knead or go down, I'm on deep shit, I figured,
and I got. I steered him up against the wall
and I was gonna turn him right towards the shitter.
Hopefully he would, you know, trip over the crasp ate

(58:55):
the crap over. But all everybody pulls it all back,
this and anything. The cops came so is not to
get the hell out of there. Now there's a lawsuit.
Lawsuit stems from gorgeous gas or a gorgeous count or
gorgeous george where he wanted a card and a wigger,
a wigger level sorts who's white. Metagh's kind of like
a wigger. And she is now doing porn movies, so

(59:19):
she's really I told you, I told him, you don't
know what misery is. First of all, you're gonna get sued.
And he's saying this should be between the boys. But
not when his gorgeous George trash talk and trayler bark,
piece of craft and her sister attacked my wife for
no reason at all. Give her tonight. It is in
the air, or she can't hear. She thinks she hears
bells all the time. She thinks the phone's ranting all

(59:40):
the time. I have to, I have to. I cannot
shout certain things to her without having going to the
sand to right her ear. So there's a problem there.
The problem is with me and Randy. Randy will get
his first of all, Randy's most miserable motherfucker i've ever
met in my life. If you've ever met him, maybe
you'll know that. But it's not lost. Is not much
so much intended to or to him. Oh, I'm sure

(01:00:01):
he's gonna have to pace some bills too. It's about
hospital bills. It's about being two people getting intact. Not me, namely,
nothing was done to me. He still is like a girl.
The thing of it is is that they've damaged my wife.
They called me. This was something you've seen me standing
in front of him. I was down in the sound
theory he had lousy seats. Yes, he ain't got the

(01:00:23):
connections I do. And he must have been human. And
those two girls are saying he set do set. Of
course he couldn't do it to be looking in the face.
And the bottom line is just think of anybody can
knock out anywhere, just about any time if they're not looking.
And if you're not look even if I even if
I am looking at you, I'm or not care. I'm
hoping because if I don't and you don't budge, you

(01:00:43):
don't buckle a knee, and you command me, then I'd
be worried. And that's what's happened there. Unfortunately, when the
police came and everything. No, Fortunately, when the police came
and everything to broke it up, I had on my
fucking way. I thought it out. I said, no, if
I were to hit him mad and done all this,
it would be a dope. He wouldn't have nothing on me.
Not only do it, I get to kick his ass
in Japan and let him sing up think about it

(01:01:04):
for three years. He hit me with this, with what
I guess is his best bunch when I wasn't looking.
Didn't phaze me a bit. I don't I want him
to do bad things to him. But when the cops
came in there, I was time to leave. So we left,
and then I just I got a lawyer, not because
of me. Randy can take him. I'll give Randy a
baseball bat on him. If you could send this up

(01:01:26):
on paper view TV, I'll give him a baseball bat
he can put on all sorts of paddy and everything.
He didn't even put on. Head here. Just give me
my resting place and I'll take that baseball bat and
stick it somewhere with the sundow it shine, and then
we'll maybe we'll put it throw a few baseball. He's
up a Meana wile whack Randy with the baseball. Yeah,
you know it was funny wver Japan and Randy's looking hawk.

(01:01:49):
I die glasses in his hand, had on like the
music's playing, music's playing player down bottom stairs waiting front
of the co ring and Hawk just well left after
I in front of him with confronted him and then
why he didn't call it what he did? He called
her a liar right that said kool. He called her
somewhere sport that but won't win. My wife didn't want

(01:02:09):
me to do anything because she thought that they were
stirring the plot and they were checking and checking her mind.
So I be honest. Whatever he happened, he was there. Now,
now we go to court, and if we see if
I weren't running too Randy and Stevie due, would you
like to try again? Because I know, I know I
could hit myself. There's a prove example. A guy that
gets on a little bit of the stoster, on a

(01:02:30):
little bit of whatever is he ain't Randy seven. She's
only changed his body around. That don't Happenstline and the minerals.
I told the misery was coming his way. As gorgeous
George left his house, left not many things in it
and took one of his cars. And now she's doing
portal films. You can pick her up on the internet.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Before he went back to the World Wrestling Federation, you
guys were robbing some three matches without Styner's liv urge state.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
And I guess you guys left within a couple of
weeks for back to w BEF. What was the story
behind that?

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
As far as leave, they had nothing to do with
the Manchester and all to do with Jim Heard, didn't Yeah,
Jim Heard was trying first time, this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Is your sex second time?

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know why we just we you know,
it was nothing to do with those guys. What it
had to do was we had other business going on
with Sonnyono and Bishop. I shouldn't say so much. Bishop,
I don't know, but I know it's Sonny Oona for sure,
making these phone calls and trying it like we had
a cartoon thing. We still got a cartoon thing brewing
in the works called the Fifth Forest. That was a

(01:03:32):
company called Children's Fitness that we're got in Houston, Texas.
And they said, well, here here take we'll give you
Hogan on this cartoon. And the guy that's doing the
car I work for the company cartoon company. They don't
know that. And they were trying to want here to
put Hogan on here, and Hogan didn't even though they
were using his name. Put Hogan on there, you know,
don't take the road wears are trying to make themselves
a little better, and all of a sudden Sanyo almost

(01:03:52):
trying to look good. He's Eric Bischoff's right hand boy,
you know, and Eric Eric's eyes you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:58):
Know, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
And on top of that, he was going to come
to us with a a per show deal. He was
going to come to us a show with a hundred
day deal. And he said he was, I'll come up
with another contractor to make you my second top paid
guys in my company. That was right out of Bishop's mouth. Well,
never came through with any of them. We waited two weeks,
waited a month. Be okay, see we already knew.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
When you went back to Vince. What were some of
the promises that he gave you just.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
Lies, we promises one that he'd take care of us.
Promises too that he would you know, we would get
the belts, which is irrelevant. Yeah, probably. You know, we
have the one day give the the godwins, one way,
taking them back from the Godwins getting back to us.
You know, the first program when every were doing with
a Davian Owen, We're supposed to get the belts right away.

(01:04:45):
The first paper we worked that was in your house.
I believe it was. We're supposed to get them back.
Didn't happen. Oh, first pincher fall boy. Everything subject to change,
you know, So it's just constant lies, constant bullshity. Got well,
we let those guys slop us. Yeah, we let them
slop us on TV. We know how to get our
gimmick over because we've been doing it. Started out by action.
But the thing with Insigman and he is sitting, he

(01:05:08):
was gonna get do His own attention was for on
our to get all his other town over all his
younger town. But checking understands the business movie went the
younger town. But there's plenty of guys in here, you know,
in our age, the first of all better athletes than
some of the younger town we temmy. I mean, you know,
I love the Armstrong family, but Brian Armstrong is far
from an athlete. Although he's very talented in the ring,

(01:05:30):
I wouldn't say that there's another sport that he could do,
you know. And the young athletes he's talking about, you're
talking about young individual athletes. We're talking about a tag
team here that should be regardless of what our agents,
because we still do our gimmick, you know. And to
be brought in and doing what he did right away,
you know, it was it was stupid, stupid business, you know,

(01:05:51):
and had to us proved that we were in a
long road hall here with this guy, you know, because
we broke down. We let him do a couple of
things we should have known off the bat with the
Davian Owen thing, you know, we we kind of saw
through it. We let them slap us on TV from
the guidewins. You know, we should have the big rebuttal there.
We never had the big rebuttal there. You know, Ellery
came in and had deal way, it was the big

(01:06:13):
rebuttle there. The street fight in a middle of freed
our taker walk down in the middle of East has
estimate somebody you know, never got to let us finish
our deal. He always lined to us, bullshit at us
and change his mind halfway through the thing, you know.
So he's definitely a man that cannot be trusted, right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
He also had some matches without Shawn Michaels and Triple
As was Shawn difficult to work with at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
He's to work with, you I mean where you know,
a way a bout and a half used to work with,
because Sean was fine in the ring as far as politically,
I mean politically politically was guy's own click. And politically
I believe that if I've ever seen anybody, including Storm
Goal have Vince More wrapped or in the pall in
his hand and Sean Michael, I don't know if it's

(01:06:53):
a sexual. I don't know if it's a sexual deal
that you got going on, because I've heard this about
both of them. I don't know what it is, but
that Seawn Michael's got a way more crap than I've
seen from anybody, just in fact, when they got the
hair fight, boy mats to him and Brett Hart And
believe me, if everybody would have broke it up, Brett
Hartwood you but the thing is they're boat pulling hair
and there's pants going. Fuck hell man, hell don't break

(01:07:18):
I don't break up fights. I said, I don't want
anybody breaking up mine either, And so right there was
the end, the beginning of the end for bred Heart.
That's because that tells me something. To me as a head,
a sexual man tells me maybe there's something going on
with these two, where after seventeen years of Brett Hart,
who stayed there and worked there every day, worked his

(01:07:39):
ass out and didn't get time off with phony phony
injuries like Sean Michaels. I just I could never understand.
I said, there's something going on here. I think it's
a I think it's a I used to call a
ball cock contract. You know you might not want to
print that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
How the idea of growing your hair coming about? I mean,
we guys happy about that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Vince wanted to do He was just another bullshit. It
was just a take away from let's do it and
cut the hair and grow it out. He told us.
He says doing jobs is not going to hurt. You said,
when once you have stone cold and five jobs in
row against five job guys or anybody else, you know,
specifying when he's in a row. So you like he

(01:08:21):
said to Vincement, Vince, we want to talk to Biro.
I'm gonna stand up against the Swatz. He can't talk
to Pisting like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
You guys were paired for Sonny. Were you guys happy
about that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
He was stupid. It was stupid. You know, if you
had done what he said, he was going to do
with it. Then fine, we went out and we spent
literally thousands of dollars and all that new ship had
a guy air brushing them all that does pro hockey
helmets and goalie helmets in U in Minnesota, and we
spent a lot of money on doing these new shoulder pads,

(01:08:55):
eight pair of shoulder pads and two sets of helmets
with much braves of pencil. You know that she, you know,
if not the right way, you know, if if they
would have done the like posters the way they said
they're gonna do them. But you know, there's worst danding
and all our year and she's down. But she always
had a she always had a problem of being the second. Yeah,

(01:09:18):
she had to be upfront with the women. There was
a competition, and she in sale. She was a lunered
that beats the ship on her one lunat her and
there was a lot of high en mosses between her
and Sable. Yeah, she thought she was the Viva and
the w w F and Sable didn't deserve it, you know.
And so another underlying ship there somewhere where somebody, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
They came up with the idea with the whole drug
gimmick and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
That was probably because we're involved in her children's fitness network,
which everything, uh me, being on drugs is against, whether
whether it's airing or not or in the process of
being though he had one time told us to fuck
with your cartoon because we told him there's certain things
we couldn't do. I was under cont check. I didn't
really have any option. You know, when you're in a contake,

(01:10:03):
you got to abide by it. So all I try
to do is have fun with it. I had to
try to have fun with it. And it's another thing
that could have worked better if they would put the
word time into it. And so the last thing that
people saw, and this was right on and Vince Dudy,
he's gonna do this, was it was us breaking up.
Me suicidal and screwing up the whole time when it

(01:10:24):
was supposed to be dras. That was the guy that
tried to take my job and feed me the drudgs.
But you know, I have to have saved out of me.
All the time they worked at the WWF and all
the five years that was on a concheck, that was
the most enjoyable for me because the only time they
did anything with us, and you know, and the people

(01:10:44):
were getting with it. Those people thought I was screwed up.
There's no doubt in my mind he was the first
time I tripped over the ropes and in a first interview,
I was laughing so hard on my mask. I couldn't
take it off.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
I had to leave it on.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
I saw him go straight, so I had fun with it.
I wanted to be humorous. And when the ovations and
started dancing, the people were buying it. They thought he
was hammer. But he could have. They could have made
him come if they would have done the deal. If
they would have done the deal, I've had him going

(01:11:18):
there and they would have had him crying and treatment
going through it all, you know. And you know, because
the reasons why he's in that situation, because his dad
was sick and everything else, and the sister Long was
second the time, and earthing could have been a very big,
big personal emotional deal.

Speaker 7 (01:11:31):
Vince was always trying to find the personal side of us,
because we're instructible face it, you know, except unless you
were Cada undertaker Hogan and the giant, who's gonna believe
was going to be nobody, right, But if he would
have done that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
That way, they would have bought it. Then you could
have had the big as Unfortunately was was going to
be the feet behind animals, back kissed animals, but you know,
saw hawks doing all the po at the same time,
me admitting down the line that I had a drug

(01:12:06):
problem and he can keep supplying me with the drugs.
That was the whole thing. And we really never got
any retribution. And you know what, I can see that
the happiest days of my my my restaurant grants. Joe
can say it too without offens for me. Yeah, definitely,
because maurfd bars off any day before Vincent that I

(01:12:27):
do too. Not that I'm looking forward to it, but
I would do it lesser to evils.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
How did you guys get along with Steve Austin?

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
I mean, you see Steve Loder, He's not hard guy.
Talk what are you sitting? He'll talk the area, but
you know what, you know what it's not you know,
I mean a lot of times he'll walk run by it.
I think I think Hughes, he's not a dumb guy.
Us relationship was with with your goodness on a one
to one based as spouse like Rocks is now like

(01:12:56):
like Undertakers has been for years, like Sean Michaels was,
like Bet Harris was, like Holgan's was. But one thing
that I know that Holgan got away with a ton
he pretty soon he got so hot he was telling
Vince what to do. Vince wasn't til Vince, I'm sure
after Hogan left told himself that I'm never gonna let
anything like that happen again with any other wrestler. And uh,

(01:13:20):
and it hasn't. It hasn't him. But you know, it's
too bad that Stone cools out with the injuries, but
they were he was told hey, a year before then
not to wrestle with so he taking chances. Obviously it
paid out for him. I mean he made five millions.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
I was asking about Steve Austin and uh, did you
guys just think that he's going to take off it
the way he did?

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
The whole phenomenon of Steve.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
As the guy never got in the ring when he
hurt his neck, They're all getting the power hurt his neck.
For eight months, he ran down and beat the crap
out of everybody, how fiving big Mansia trucks into the ring,
over people, over everything. Although I will give him so
much more credit. My warrior who could wrestler. I was
gonna couldn't do an interview for Steve was very good underway,

(01:14:06):
very good. Uh he was a very good actor. He
was a very good wrestler. And uh, if we got
a lot and won't find you, I wouldn't say we
were close to him. And Steve didn't hurt his neck,
he could have been the next player, right, I mean
he could be that. He was that good for two years,
two to three years, you know, merchandise of Ogan, didn't

(01:14:26):
you know? Twelve years?

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
What are your members of the Canadian Stampede pain review?
It was the one up in Calgary. Was awesome as
far as crowd heating.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Oh yeah, the cal we were we were heels. Yeah,
we were heels. I loved it. I was good. I
loved it because we hadn't been heels. I'm not that
big old fan in Canada anyways. Because of the money
was the celebration. Yeah that's right, many cowboy hats fake Stah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
How did you guys feel about Vince after the whole
Sean Brett Montreal situation?

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
I mean, I know you're hating Sean and Brett thing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
I didn't try. It was one of the worst things
that happened in our business. I thought one of the
best things happened where a lot of people forgot may
before bredever got physically to vince was Males Kelly. Kevin
Kelly was why I got the job there, along with
with Lkster was one of the best friends I've ever had.
It's a good thing there was not a minisot or
boy there to pull them off. Maybe Vincello wouldn't be

(01:15:20):
doing for more anymore. Maybe he'd be deceased because he
screwed Kevin Kelly around and from what I understood, you know,
he deserved it. So maybe he didn't quite understand the
psych key of Kevin Kelly. Kevin Kelly, you tell him
you're gonna take care of him this way, like he's
told us in the entire money, and you don't take
care of no shove the ships. Well, I obviously he

(01:15:41):
didn't know what kind of a person Kevin Killer was.
You know, when we deal in our business, when you
don't have a union, which I wish you did, and
you have nobody to protect your ass or your assets. Uh,
your trust is in your boss, your referee, and the
you're in the ring with, and when that trust is broken,

(01:16:03):
there's no way Brett could have stayed or done anything.
You know what I mean. Brett was left with no option.
He had friends like us there, friends like going there.
I was watching at that time. He had so much
he hanging around with one guy. She not that we
wouldn't marked because we didn enough heat the way it was.
I looked at that on TV. I I looked at that,
and I was sitting there with the seventeen years of

(01:16:25):
working province. I looked at that, after all that time
that he put in, and he and what I couldn't believe.
And here I know the guy has to make money,
but I'm telling you what, out of respect to my friend,
I don't know if I could have done with Earl Hebner. Did.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Do you think Sean was in on it? Oh? Yes,
we did an interview with Sean Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
He was of course. He said like it was Gaved
boy was going to kick his ass and a locker room. Yeah,
well see Dave boys back there work, which is Bret
Brett was in there, and Brett I was right. I've
done the locker rooms on going down, and I hope
they get three hundred and fifty million plus hundredvents. Because
I'll tell you what, as far as I'm concerned, the

(01:17:07):
buck stops the Vince if his own employees that come
and set up the show, plus all the texts, technique,
technical people that are at those arenas that work for
the arena that night, they're under contract events, the RP,
the buck stops here. First thing, Vince says, we got
a full investigation. I ain't heard Diddley Douce squad, but

(01:17:27):
an investigation. Second thing, he said, Steena, it could it
could have been Bret's fault. He is not the man
to strap himself into the artist and that's why he said, Oh,
he said it could have been Owen's fault. He doesn't
strap himself at the technicians do. So that's a cold
catalyst thing. I consider him a freaking murder. I consider
him a crippler on what he did and what he

(01:17:49):
did to draw us better. I mean, did Le Brown
was still very very very hard.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
You don't.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
You don't try a new move with a guy a
running power buy doesn't know what he's doing. His time
and Delo is still green and you know I'm not
I'm not playing with and drives Greener two, and I go, goddam,
you know, I'd say, own used to come stay at
my house, okay, because he would take the flights to
Calgary and there has a lot of good connections. A

(01:18:15):
lot of time when shows to get canceled or something
come through, stay at my house. And his son, oj
Owen Jr. Was been just getting into hockey. My kids
play hockey and travel hockey, my daughter and my son,
and uh watch them out motivated too, but uh so.

Speaker 8 (01:18:30):
Owens can watch and you know, get the only played
hockey this kid too. But he'd come and watch and
see looking forward to what he's got look for to
with this kid, this family. And I said, Owen, how
in the world do you get up there and do that?

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
He goes, Joe. I hate it because I tell Vince
every time, I do not want to get up there,
and I do not want to want to get up
there and do this. I said, Owen, you know one
of these times something's going to un screw up and
you're gonna go down. I didn't mean to say it,
I said, but oh, you got to think about that.
As he goes, he I know, because I'm not doing
it again. But in our business, you know the way

(01:19:03):
it is. If you don't do it, he's gonna get
some young fool to jump in your shoes, put on
the blue suit to come and do it for you,
you know, and then there goes your payday and you're
fired out the door. And Owen just built a big
new house. He was going home that next Monday to
move into his house. And what he did, you know,
a couple of days. Ye know, it's horrible, with the
most horrible things. I took my son James up to

(01:19:25):
the funeral and I was done with the w W.
Every time we weren't working with him, I was still
we were still getting paid for free. And I you know,
I went up there, I took my son up there.
I didn't say one word defense, not even alone said
hello Linda at the chain. Ottle Bit didn't say one word. Events.
You know, it's he sits full bullshit. He's saying he's
gonna buy the hardtop. He paid for catering for the

(01:19:47):
whole week, redid the whole house, resided the whole property,
put in brand new flowers, repainted the house, repainted the inside,
did everything over paid for the whole funeral. But I'll
tell you what attribute to Owen. I had never seen
a funeral procession like that, and my entire life, not
even the president family, not even for a president President Kennedy's.
When I remember as a kid watching was not nothing.

(01:20:10):
I mean, I didn't remember the kid watching Mery. It
was like a Cops funeral. He had chipting on the kid.
Yet at least I'd say, two hundred limos, two hundred stretches,
and then there was two big hughes WWF buses, and
then there was cars. A procession at least they said

(01:20:30):
ten fifteen miles long behind him, and they all went
to the funeral, to the plot and everything. Man, it was.
It was in the funeral home, and it was on
a loud speaker outside there's like a thousand, two thousand
people outside listening. And his own was one of the
good guys.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
He never would guy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
He wasn't much on drinking. He wasn't he never messed
around his wife. He was always he was always one
of them guys. He knew you con and you know,
you know what he was doing. He was just putting time.
And Allen had a teaching was planning in the next
two years to go back to teaching. He says, Joe,
I'm only doing this a couple of years. I just
want to get to my family financially, set pay for

(01:21:07):
my house. I'm going to teach and and and I'm
all behind Martha right away, his wife. And I mean,
I hope I get asked to go up there to testify,
because I talked to her lawyer and you know, you know,
you told I had a conversations with all one like that,
and you know, and it was just the one of
the first sentences that came out of her mouth that
she goes, I owe it to my husband that somebody

(01:21:30):
will pay for this mistake and retribution will be served.
And that's what she said. And how do you put
a guy out of harness with those safety.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Net We are not acrobats, even Sean Dion at Arstlemania
I think twelve, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
But you know there's there's no safety net. I mean,
what do you try a new rigging technique that as
soon as you pop it it goes off, You're gone.
That is just why do you try something brand new
on a pay per view that night? Why? I why
not even hook something that weighs one hundred and something
pounds up and at first and lower them down. Why
do it with the human I know, I did a

(01:22:06):
test run once with him. He came down and he
went up fine, you know, but something bofed up.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Let's talk about Actually, I have a couple of other
questions we should finish up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
How do you feel about the business house so open
now with the internet and it's changed.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
I think the internet's greed. It's really it's really helped
to get a lot of people more involved instead of
you know, the old school thing was when people would
ask you, isn't real? It was always yes, If you
don't think it's real, let me hit you with a
couple of big punchers. But I think that's good that
they share that with him. Now let him see what's
going on behind the scenes. I think they're just as

(01:22:43):
interested to see what's going on behind the scenes as
the art. And I don't even probib that is a
lack of respect from when I was young. The guys
that brought brought brought us broke us in the Murdocks,
the Rodney Garvins and the many many many others Flares
and all that. But you know, we thank them for it,

(01:23:03):
We asked them for real. These guys don't. These guys
are bad mouth and Ric Flair and he's on. He
knows more about wrestling than these new guys will ever
learn in their entire left all on combined and they're
badmouth and should have now bad He loves this. Hey,
the guy is trying him to make a living, right.
You know, he knows his diamonds up. He's no fool,
he knows it. But still you have to respect what
that guy has done. One thing w CW does do

(01:23:25):
good and I will give them credit for that. You
guys t no, I think there was. But my kid
loves it. You know, my son's thirteen years old. But
they don't watch wwftermore. He gets pissed off about him.
But he knows his boss. But you know, you know,
but but I'm not saying watching. I'm just saying out
of respect. You never hear anybody. Here's where w w

(01:23:46):
W had the wrong turn. And you cannot use your
guys who've got experienced talent anymore because he's got the
people on tunity. He had the d X chanting his
old l D ship, you know, which is too bad.
How do you spend able to work a match? We
started doing that ship, right, You know. You never hear
him called old Hogan old. You never hear him called
Flair old. You never hear him deliberately. Our age are older.

Speaker 9 (01:24:10):
So yeah, hey, Hogan and are staying and lunger or
older than we are. That's nobody even knows that state
is older. Stik is three years older than me, right on.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
You know, it's just the jealous thing, man, and it's uh,
you know, And that's how come Hogan and those guys
are still over because what you do instead of saying
he's an old guy and says, hey, how are you
the one you're in a business gonna beat this guy's
eighteen years experience? How do you expect he knows more
than you'll ever know? He knows three times, he's been
in us three times more. How you They put it

(01:24:42):
that way, And that's what I really respect about their company.
They don't abuse the guy who's been in the business
a lot, Right, That's what I respect about that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
Do you think tag team could wrestling could exist in
today's wrestling?

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Well? Yeah, I mean do you think it's the thing
of the past.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
We think I think it might be a thing that
slows down for would never be in the past. I
think that's because Vincent man doesn't like it, doesn't like
to be two two heavy salary guys versus one average
salary guy. I don't know what's going on with the
w C Doug. I'll tell you what. I'm not carly worried,
and either's joke because I'm too What take team wrestling
in Japan is usually right. You want to put their

(01:25:18):
money into rob it's all what they want to put
their money into. If they want to make it big,
it could be big, you know what I mean. If
they want tagging wrestling to be the thing that carries
the load, it'll do it. But you just can't put
any time taking Harry together out there and say you
can paint up you become a tag team. You got
to have the guys that can carry the ball. We
can carry the ball. We can carry the ball as

(01:25:39):
well as we want to. We will carry it to
which they were done caring as.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
To you guys, did the zobox to it? Yeah? Beside yourselves?
Who are some of the guys that you can credit
your successive beside yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Well, well again, got the ball out without a dog,
Rosebrody staying handsome guys that were when we were very
told you you remind me of so we started. They
said clomber everybody. Uh, I would say Coles the even
though we're not not that fond of him totally in aren,

(01:26:10):
I love very fond of our four horsemen. They have
a lot to do with what we did.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:26:17):
We had some great matches. I don't know many many
events gets Manny Fernandez and Rick Rude. Uh, there's a
guy who never got any credit. Maybe no, Rick Rick
made he was ultimate started with us, he made the
ultimate warrior who he was. Rick Rude was solely single
hand of the responsible for that. And them there's the

(01:26:38):
the unsusp Uh. This what I'd really like to hear
people say, the unsung heroes of for the years, of
the guys that were what you call extras now which
she's called job guys that you know what, those guys
took a brutal beating from us. I know that, and
they enjoyed it. They enjoyed it and want to come back.
And that's for years and years years those guys never

(01:26:58):
got any thank you. And I'm here, so yeah, here Uh,
you know, I can't really you know, you can name
names to your infinity. I just go on to say,
guys for about the first twelve years in the business
that or twelve fifteen years and then fifteen years in
a business that put us over consistently without a question
of a doubt or the guys, the guys where we are.

(01:27:20):
That's pretty much this guy's true, you know. And when
time comes around again, is some of these guys need
to be put over the further their career will do it.
And we we did do that the last three two
or the last three years. We did that with the
option but the friendless promise that we were gonna be
rebuilt on our way out, which would not have been
a hard thing to do for him. He did it

(01:27:40):
at a spike. He lied through his teeth. The man
with the silver tongue did it. I'll tell you who's good.
I think who the guy's gonna read the ft events,
but everyone there's not gonna be events if w CW
or hopefully we'll have him in Japan that we say, hey,
we'll do a two year deal, three year deal for
X amount. We're going to retire with you and we're
gonna stay retired with you. I think the retirement of

(01:28:03):
the Road Wars, you know, the greatest tag team in
the history of our business, would be a pretty good
pay per view. Then I see us going out like that.
That's why I would like to go out on a
pay per view, our last match, whether we go over
or not. Who cares as one as the bigger fan,
one of the other fans what they want to see,
and we get to do our stuff. And that's why

(01:28:24):
I like to go out. And once we retire, we
want to be out. I'm not gonna be mankind who's
done come back again because Steve Watson gets hurt. I'm
not gonna be firm guy. You come out of retirement.
I'm not gonna be every of these other guys come
out of retirement, Dusty whatever, I'm not gonna do it.
We've got another thing the store. I personally want to
go in to radio. You know, I feel about radio
just like I felt about when I first saw Risks

(01:28:46):
and it started doing that. I can do it. We
both had aline opportunity to radio interviews. And I'll tell
you what. I'll tell you what was too something responsible
for me hiving since I have especially the last fourteen years.
Like my wife, she put up with more ship grainways.
She put up with more ship of coming home late,

(01:29:06):
that moron, stupid idiot. They get your phone number on
our you know, strange people call all the time and
different things. She put up with more crap in our
business and understanding what the true meaning of relationship is
the stays stay with it and be strong with it,
and you know it is a great person.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
That's the way for closing. I want to ask you, like,
what is your most memorable member?

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Yeah, what is your most memorable memory on the road
as far as like a good road story or one of.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
The best expert or one of the.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Guess has been over. It definitely is over in Japan, Okay,
Japan is funny. Yes, Japan is the funniest time we
There's been so many. One of the the latest best
times we ever had Japan is when he and I
and Brad Armstrong wrot three D tour together. We laughed
every day on the tour, in the in the and

(01:30:01):
the casual houses, eating food, and uh, it was just
the funny there there. It would be pretty hard. Guys
got to be there to understand that you're on your jet,
legged out of Hell. You're in your third week, you're
finally getting on their time zone, and you're getting ready
to come back home, and you're just you're worn out
because you work twenty days in a row. You know,
you remember one funny story Joe, Joe would have the beauty,

(01:30:22):
but it just many. I mean, this just comes to
your head and you think of a classic like Jimmy
Snook and I'm driving around the card Jimmy Jimmy Snook
and we don't know where we are, we're lost in
the city, or and I goes, Josh, I think we're
losting you think so? I said, Yeah, I don't know,
recognized Jimmy. It's gonna be okay, I said, jim what

(01:30:42):
do you mean? Do you know where he goes? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:30:44):
I remember that tree. They're all the same. I mean,
you know, it's like a pine trees done it for
a long long time, and then you have to answer
a lot of questions and something would flip up. We
could tell you, and I think that will save those
for the book that that probably movie.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
I've just been talking to Job already the book here lately,
because the book that we rate where there's gonna be
a lot of people that might not like us after,
but you know what, we already don't like them. So
there's there's not many people we trust the truth. It
used to be more when we broke in. Guys took
care of us. You got a ride to the town
or you ok, use a few bucks. You know, they

(01:31:25):
took care of us. Now everybody's out to slit your
through except in Japan and the independence. The independence, so
they're just happy to see it, you know what I mean.
If you're gonna be late working for the WW for
the NBA, don't if it's it's supposed to be next seven,
don't come a cemetery, don't come any come to fucking
nine fifteen because they're so late. They're happy to see
it be come at seven thirty e they're gonna bit

(01:31:46):
yet you get you out for two hours, to your
beats and done right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
In closing, do you guys have anything you want to
say to the fans.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Oh, we want to appreciate the fans have been in
for us there. I know they had a hard a
couple of years and last year watching what Vince Command
did to us. But hey, listen, if anybody and any
rae else are out there. First of all, we will
be the first guys to tell all the young guys
come in, what do you mean you're not going to
sign that guy's autogram? First of all, that's a compliment.
The day that they're not asking for your im here,

(01:32:14):
it means you're no good at what you do. Then
you'll miss it. But I won't be able. He won't
have to be able to say that because we did it,
and you know, and now when we move on of
this life into another life, we're going to do good
things for other people. But wrestling, if I go on radio,
I don't want wrestling him to be a wrestling show.
That's hardly what I want. Well to my own shock jock,
I want to talk about the degradation of anxiety, which

(01:32:35):
is Vince Amman's show. If you think about it, if
you've got a kid, he's saying suck and fucking drink
of beer and doing all this other stuff that's the
degradation of society. Vince feeds off it because Vince is
part of the degradation society. Well, Vince's the degenerat himself.
That's probably one of the other people that we got
to not one of the people, but one of the
sums of people. We gotta we got to dedicate our

(01:32:56):
success to are the fans out there, the fans of
behind our make it for eighteen years events, trying to
track and they'll be out behind our gimmick until we retire.
Even the last time we were on TV, after all
the bullshit we did, we come walking out together. You
still get a standing on T shirt. Evenually they told us,
They told us shortly before a year ago from this

(01:33:16):
last May, that we went over to the Tokyo show.
We were a main event and they got seventy five
thousand people in there, and right before it, months before that,
they're trying to get us. They were trying to tick
us off so we'd screw off and they wouldn't have
to be us. For last year's time trade we did.
We didn't work for anybody else. We had an Iron
Clan contray. So he says, well, we know we guys
think thing for you, guys that don't know what to

(01:33:37):
do with you, guys you know over like it used
to be. Well, you can take ship and make it
over if you want to. I've said I came back
from that trip that we did main event there was
seventy five thousand people. I called him doubts. I said,
guess what, you're right, We're not over. We're a main event.
There was seventy five thousand people. So and then they'll
get it. You got to think of mind too, where
the where the common coach? And we were telling that,

(01:33:58):
you know, guy telling you not over, it's got half
an off work. We are not over. Listen, you're not over.
If we look about the top ten gates attendants, whether
it was Wembley Stadium when we did ninety three HANIAX
Silverdome WrestleManias of any kind, we were on six of
the top ten, and I'm on one that animal wasn't

(01:34:19):
able to participate in because it was injured. Where we
went over to North Korea, didt one hundred and seventy
thousand people two nights in a row, and I'm the
only American other than a flash spunk that I know.
Oh and the Steiners are there too, you know, they
got able to say it. So when anytime Lauri will
going and say, well you guys are this you guys
say listen, my record speaks for itself. Me and my partner.

(01:34:40):
Out of the top ten cash gate attendance records, we've
been on six mote. The other four we weren't invited.
And that last comment one thing that we'll never forget,
you know, unlike NBA, NFL, major League Baseball, whatever, we
will always respect the p people that got out some money.

(01:35:01):
The fans are your bottom dollar fans are the ones
that pay the bucks to get in the seats. They're
the ones that pay your salaries. Not Vincent man. The
fans pay your game, and we'll all respect it. And
you know where, Yeah,

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