"Tony Atlas Shoot Uncensored: Hogan’s Is Nice Man, Vince’s Betrayals & Bruiser Brody’s Bloody Truth"

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Titlematchnetwork dot Com.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome to another edition of the RF video Shoot in
Every series Sinaria joined by a true legend in the
sport of professional wrestling, mister us A.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Tony Allis. Thanks for being here.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
With us today.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Well, thank you, sir. It's atully nice being here.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
My very first question to you, were you a wrestling
fan growing up?

Speaker 1 (00:19):
No? No, because when I grew up, we came up
real poor. So as a kid, I spent most of
my time working on the farm. And you know, my
mother had nine kids. There were no no father around,
so us kids we had to get out and help
support the family. So we didn't have to have for
television or video games or anything that nature all of us.

(00:43):
We had to get out and you know, help the
family make it. Where were you raised at I was
raised in Clifton Fords, Virginia. That's up. Any one called
the Appalachi's Mountains, Blue Ridge Mountain, Appolachia Alligated Mountain. I
want you to make call a hill billy.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Now.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
My first I guess we I want to ask you
is how you came across professional wrestling? How did you
get introduced?

Speaker 1 (01:03):
There was a I just got a book called Too
much too soon, and I explained. The first wrestler that
I ever met was black Jack Mulligan and I was
working at the YMC and I met black Jack Mudigun,
Sandy and George Scott.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
They used do shows at the Starland Arena in Runoke, Virginia,
and I was living in Renoke at the time. So
when they came down, my friend Alfonsie Johnson, you know,
he recognized who they were because, you know, he was
a wrestling fan. So our pharons had introduced me to
Mallaghan and to Sandy and George Scott and Clydekite Belle
and Johnny Weaver and guys that used to come in

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to the gym and work out during that time, and
that's how I got induced. But I was an amateur wrestler.
I was a four year state champion, and I was
Greg Corona champion. So I did a lot of weightlifting
and powerlifting and uh, amateur wrestling before I turned pro.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
I was gonna ask you to talk about your bodybuilding
and your arm wrestling and power Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
When when where I started off, believe it or not,
what they call a weightlifter, and what a weightlifter does
is uh they lift the weights from the ground over
the head like what you see in the Olympic. That's
why they called an Olympic weightlifting. And then powerlifting is
the bitch press. Uh we laid flat on your back
and pushed the weight up, the squat where you put
the weight behind your neck and sit down and stand

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up with it. And of course the dadlift where you
just pull a mess and amount of weight up from
the ground. And I was involved in arm wrestling, powerlifting,
and uh weightlifting a great deal uh when I was
a kid.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
So basically you got introduced to George and Sandy Scott
and uh that if you want to get into the.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Business right uh the way they they they hear about
my amateur background and uh they thought it would be
great to uh uh to bring me into a prog
wrestling due to the fact that I was. I started
wrestling amateur wrestling when I was in the seventh grade,
so from the seventh way all the way up as
a JV. And then when I hit the tenth grade.

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At that time, I joined the varsity team.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Who actually trained you.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
To be honest withriually a guy named Larry Shop who
later opened up The Monster factory was involved in my training.
Olie and Jean Anderson was involved in my training. And
back in the day, they didn't have restling school. So
what they did when you broke in the business, the
whole territory would be involved in help you. Mister Fuji,

(03:36):
Kim Petero and guys would come down each morning and
work out with you. But there was no restling school
to go to at that particular time, and wrestling was
like a family, so they just didn't let anybody in
the business at that time. They were very protected of
the business, so you had to pay your dues to
be trained. You had to pay your dues to make
money or to have something to say, you know in

(03:58):
a dressing room.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Did any of the guys to stretch early on?

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Oh yeah, that was our part of it. Because the
difference between wrestling today and wrestling then is that when
you broke in the bending, you definitely had to do
I protect yourself because we was around the fans twenty
four to seven. We didn't have barricades to keep us
away from the fans that we didn't slip out to
our cars after the show was all over, and when

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you walk out in the parking lot, you park where
the fans park, so you may walk out of your
car in today they twenty thirty people surrounding your car.
So you know, if you didn't have the respect of
the fan and the respect of the boys, then you
got your buck, what you know. And also in the
ring too, you know, if a god didn't respect you,
no matter if the match was determined to be, we

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lose or draw. You know, if you couldn't protect yourself
in that ring, your opponents would beat you from one
they in that match to the other.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Who smarts you up to the business when he first
broke in, Who do you consider your mentor?

Speaker 1 (04:54):
I would say that George Scott. George Scott, he was
like a father to me. I would raise up father.
So it was very enlightened to have George Scott around
because I talk a lot about him in my book
Too Much, Too Soon. And he was a guy that
influenced me the most and trained me. And I was

(05:15):
the first wrestler to be paid to be trained. They
paid me one hundred and fifty dollars a week to
break into the business.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Wow, yeah, what was the training legend? Did you ever
want to quit?

Speaker 1 (05:28):
The training? Back in my town was the first thing
you do. You get up in the morning and you
work out with the waits for about two hours. Then
after that you go to the stadium and you run
up and down the stadium steps and then you go
all the way around. Then you would do three hundred pushups,
three hundred jumping jackson, and three hundred squats. And then

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after you do that, they put you on the mat
with other people that want to be in the business
and when your body feel like a rubber back, and
then the shooters would get in there and stretch you
and then they wait till the next day they see
who show up. So you know, the training session was
brutal back in them days, but like I said, it
was a bund and they were to make sure that

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you was tough enough to uh, you know, to handle
the road or the stress of the road, tough enough
to handle yourself in a competition. If you should go
into the local bar or something, they want to make
sure that the local tough guy or the bob bouncer
is not the person that whooped your butt. Because they

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put you on TV and then you go into a
bar later on that night and get whooped. That was
a bad reflection on the business at that time, and
they didn't want that to happen. So, you know, whoever
they put in the ring, they want to make sure
this person was tough enough to you know, to to
continue in the busines because they didn't want to waste.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
The time with you, especially the Bill Watch.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Exactly like if Bill wats if you got in a
fight in the dress room and the guys breaking up,
the guys that broke up the fight would get fired,
And what Bill Watch you to do? He used to
let you fight it out, but once that fight is
over where he didn't want to hear about it no more?

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Right? Right?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Did you ever want to quit for your training or
did you?

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Oh? Yeah, many time? And Gen Anderson was the guy
that said no. He said, you go quit and do
what go back to what you know? So I thought
about it and I just kept kept drilling away at it.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Did your memories of your right first match with Bob
Burgers against the Art Nelson and Blue Scorpion.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yep, Well what happened was a lot of people don't
realize this, but even when you was in the ring,
they didn't smart you up to the business. So Bob
Burgers get in the ring and the guy's taking all
kind of bump from him. He throwing them all over
the place. And at that time, I was maybe about
two thirty five two forty bitch pressing about four eighty

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five hundred pass So I figured I was pretty stout kid.
I was about twenty years old, and I got a
ring and I couldn't do what Bob did? You know?
I had to shoot for what I get because they
hadn't smarted me up yet. So family what I did.
I got aunt Nelson in the headlock, and I squeezed
and I squeezed, and I squeeze, and I screezed and

(08:15):
eastily turning purple in the face. When I got back
to the dressing room, I went to thank him for
the for the match, and I remember him telling George Scott,
he said, you're gonna smart that damn nigger up right now.
The next time we're getting the ring with him, I'm
gonna shoot him. So didn't George Scott come to me
and said, Tony, tomorrow, we're gonna teach you how to work.

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And so the boys were so particular abidity there, But
I said work, What do you mean work? He said, well,
We're gonna teach you how to work. So I went
and asked Sandy Scott's brother. I said, hey, tomorrow I
learn to work. He said, I thought you want to
be arrested. He said, what do you mean work? You're
going to work for my dollars? You're gonna be a
construction worker? What type of work? They were just that protector.
Even though I knew what the word work mean, they
stared was in I wasn't in a position where they

(08:59):
could trust me. Yeah. So so really my first couple
of matches was all shoots. Because you was in the
range that didn't mean you were smart, and they would
gradually smart you up and they figured out that you
were not going to quit the business or you are
not going to do something to expose the business. So
a lot of your matches were at the beginning for

(09:20):
most guys, career was a shoot.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Did you experience a lot of racism in wrestling early on?

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Not racism, more sexism than racism, because one thing about
most of the most racist guys that I met in
the building was black guys. They always had this thing
about slavery, you know, and and and and my own it.
The only thing that could have hurt me with the
white wrestlers was white girls. That was my when the

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one of the first rules that I started, George Scott
put me in off he's a tony. There's three things
you gotta remember if you want to make money in
this building, eat your mouth shit as you told and
stay away from white women. He had. He said that
the third one is the most important one, And it
was very, very important that you didn't get in any

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type of relationship with any other woman at that particular time,
because you got to realize America didn't desegregate until nineteen
seventy three. Up until nineteen seventy two seventy three, we
was a separate nation. So I come along three years
after segregation, so it was a whole new different man

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set about that type of activity going on. And I
kept my promise and I stayed away from me until
later on in my life when I met my wife.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
What are your early memories of all the Crockett promotions.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
At the time when I started the Crockett promotion, believe
or not, it was the biggest and the richest territory
in the business at the time. I mean, you had
guys back in them days like Oli and Jean Rick
Flair and all them guys making four or five thousand
dollars a week. And I'm talking about nineteen seventy four,

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nineteen seventy five, whereas today that's ten fifteen thousand. In
nineteen seventy five, you get a brand new Cadillact for
about eight thousand dollars. You get a Corvette steam Ry
what we used to call it then for sixty five hundred.
You could buy a home between twenty five and thirty
five thousand dollars. I remember, why, who about Daddy? He

(11:31):
bought a house that was eighty thousand dollars. So all
of us wrestlers, we all got together and we got
in our car. We drove out to see Wahoo House.
Because we never heard of anything a home cost it
eighty thousand dollars. We thought that was we got to
see this eighty thousand dollars. Oh boy, what the hell
did he buy? The about the White House or what?

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Of course, you know today eighty thousand dollars we'd get you,
not even a condominium by that time, one thousand dollars
a house for a tremendous trumended price to pay and
guys during that period, the gas with thirty eight saints
a gallon sixty nine centts of gallon. I remember Johnny
Weavers saying, well, one day, if this gas keep going up,
there's gonna be a dollar gallon. And we get to

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a dollar gallon, I'm gonna quit driving to get me
a buy something. I can't see painting a dollar gallon
for gas. That was the mentality that that was the
old America. You know, things was very reasonable, and wrestler
was like they were like God. They had plenty of money,
more money than most they were. You know, at one

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time the wrestler were making more money than the president.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
You know, how did you get the name mister USA?

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Who coined you there?

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Well? What ended up happened with mister USA title. I
was trained for a bottle biller contest and I wont
the Mister America, uh, the several other titles prior to that.
So I told George Scott that I'm going to a
bottle billing contest, and I remember Findnite Bill. I wanted
the raster telling me he said, look, don't answer your phone.

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He said, they gave you the day off, but if
you answer the phone, they're gonna call you. Could you
do what? So I was all my way out the
door to go to New York to do the show.
The guy's here tonight, Scott Epstein. He was working with
the bodybuild in circuit at time. Dan Lord and Joe
Wheder was partners at that time. And my phone rang.

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But what I did? I didn't answer it because I
remember what the wrestler told me. So I got over
the plane, I flew to New York. I wonted to
mister USA title. Well, when I came back to Charlotte,
I took the trophy and rufus I. Joel told me
take the trophy to the office so they don't be
mad at you. Let them know you won. So I
take the trophy to the office and then George Scott said, oh,

(13:46):
that's great. For now you're gonna be total Atlas mister USA.
He was talking about the bodybuilding title. But bodybuilding was
so unknown to the general public that the fan took
it at patriotic, which is stuck, which it wasn't not
a bad thing to me because you know very yeah,

(14:07):
well I'm very patriartic anyway. So what are your.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Early memories of the Crocket territory. Who are some of
the guys that you worked with?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
And then oh there was a guy like Wohoo met
Daniel black, Jack Mulligan, Klondikeeville, Johnny Weaver, uh, Dusty Rose
used to come in there a great deal aide Jacob
Rick and the Dragon steamboat. It was a tag team
part in the town with a guy called Dean Hole
which is uh Rick, Jay young Blood, Charlie Cook Ruf

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of John Freight Train, and Joan Thunderbolt Palliser. These was
most of the guys that worked the Crockett territory that time.
Cavin Sollivan uh uh worked that area, but most of
the guys that worked that area. In fact, that's where
I first met Cavin Solivan was in Charlotte at the time.
And but most of the guys, like I said, they
never got known because there was no caver so everything

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was syndicated. So even then you would go to Charlotte
and you said, do you know Cavin Solomon, do you
know Johnny Weaver?

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Do you know these guys Ox Baker And people say,
oh yeah. But then you go to New York during
that period time, I said, well, do you know the
guys that people say, oh no, but then vice versa.
If you go to Charlotte and you ask them, do
you know Dominant Minucia and Baron Sekluna. No. I remember
one time I wrestler in uh Houston, Texas and they

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announced Bruno San Martini was on the car. He walked
out and it was quiet. Nobody knew who Bruno was.
But in New York, everybody knew who Bruno was.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Huge.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
It was a huge pop in New York, but not
in in uh Houston, Texas because nobody know who didn't
know who it were?

Speaker 3 (15:50):
What was Only Anderson? Like a lot of people say,
he's bitter and uh hard to deal with?

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Did you get along with Only?

Speaker 1 (15:56):
I only remind me of old high school coach. See,
I was a jopp by whole life, So coaches was
different than what they are today. A coach would come
in and say, you dumb piece up crap, you get
over there and do what I said. They kick in
the butt. You know, they was coaching. They were rough,
rugged man's and they treated you like a man, not
like you know so little Pamsey as kid. You know,

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they was rough with you. So when Only was rough
and tough and vasurey and stuff. But what I mind
the most about only was he always told you what
was on his man. You never had to suck. And
guessing he wasn't like one of these guys that will
tell you a man, great match, all great matches, then
when you walk away, that kid the shits you know
only if your match sucked. He said that mass sucked

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right in full of his face. He wouldn't bite his
tongue about it, and and and and I would used
that because it didn't bother me at all the way
O it were to a lot of people didn't bother them,
but they was raised differently, So I guess it depended
on your upbringing or how you will uh accept Odie Anderson.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
What do your memories what the titles with mister Wrestling
Number two?

Speaker 1 (17:05):
I think that was my third time winning it because
I was a tag team champion with Cavin Soliman, I
was tag team champion with Tommy Rich, I was tag
team champion with Thunderboat Patterson. I was tag team champion
with Wrestling too, so I think he was like my
third or fourth time winning that title.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
What are your memories of about Mister Wrestling Number two?

Speaker 1 (17:25):
The two. It was a perfect gentleman, perfect perfect gentleman.
And I remember one thing that struck out more and
I put that in my book. Also, I fancy his
name was Johnny Walker, so I ANSWERD what was his name?
And he wouldn't tell me and he said, and I said,
why I'm not gonna tell him? He said? He said,

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the reason I don't want you to know my name.
He said, one day you're gonna be out in front
of the fans and you're gonna call me by my
real name. I said, oh no, I wouldn't do that now.
Sure enough, About a month later he was in Columbus, George,
and he was standing there sayting auto man, and I
wanted to show him something, so instead of turning around

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saying two, I said Johnny Johnny and he kind of
look up like me, like like this, And then I
caught myself.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
I be dad.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
And another time I told him, I said, well, you
watch my match, and he said, on one condition, and
I said, what is that? He said that you don't
get mad at me. He said, if you able to
take constructive criticism, then I will tell you what you
do wrong. But if you're not able to take constructive criticism.
Then you get mad at me for telling you. He said,
I will never tell you anything again. And then my

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both family and my mother, and there's other ones too,
But then the one that stand out because there was
lessons that I learned.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
What are some of the lessons he learned, Well, here.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Was a couple of lessons that I learned from Master two.
That's why these memery stands out more than others because
you know, you know, he taught me that that you
not first of all, you're not as smart as you
think you are, because I figured I would never call
hibody his first name, and I found out that I
did the sucker. Thing that a lesson I learned for

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him is to learn how to take criticism. You know,
all of us could take praise, and we work well
with praise. But when there's something wrong, we don't want
to hear it. We rather be wrong than to be right.
You know, we know something is wrong, we don't want
nobody telling us is wrong. We rather continue to be

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wrong if it's somebody tell us how to do something right.
And that was something I learned about the human nature,
and bringing into pro wrestling was one thing you have
to learn you have to learn how to correct your faults,
you know. And whereas in the every day society, we
uh let people continue to be wrong even though we

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know they're wrong, but we don't want to give them
good advice or to try to correct they wrong. This
trying to spare the feeling. But in the long run,
they get hurt more because they are never able to
improve their life, all their personality or anything about them.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
True memories of Tommy Rich.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Oh, Tommy Rich. The best day to tell you about
tom Rich. He was not my tag tap partner, He
was not my friend. He was my brother. We was
like brother tea for Tony, tea for Tommy. Black and white.
We fight all night, assault and puppa team and it

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was it was one of the first you know, where
they had a black wrestler and a white wrestler to
go out, to be so close and to perform in
front of the fans night after night, and we fought
for each other. If I got in the fight, Tommy
was with fight rapers and uh vice versa. So Tommy

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is one of my very very close, closest friends.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Did you get in a car accident with Tommy?

Speaker 1 (21:09):
And yeah, I broke my neck with Tommy Richard.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
It was.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
It was Tommy rich Johnny rich and Nick Patrick. And
Tommy had a habit when he drive, he turns all
the way around in the car. So this time when
he turned back around, he was we was going over
a cliff. Yeah, and I ended up getting broken neck
from that.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
You guys have after that or is it no?

Speaker 1 (21:32):
No? Because I knew that's how Tommy drove, So it
wasn't something he did intentionally. I'm very sure it was
not his plan to get up this morning. Wait, let
me drive his car off the cliff and break Tony
and his neck. You know that's a good idea. Let's
do that. I'm very sure that was not his intention.
So it was an accident. An accident in the rest

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of the world do happen.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
What are you memories about Kevin Sullivan.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
I don't know if Cavin remembered, but uh me and Cavin.
I got him started in bodybuilding, but I used to
compete a lot. Cavin didn't work out with the Waits,
and the Cavin started working out. They got real real religion,
got with Doc Neil and everything, and ended up with
the Tennessee state bodybuilding champion. He became and he really

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really got in hisstorted in bodybuilding. That makes that I know,
Cavin ended up becoming a butter vollybuilding that uh didn't
do what I worked. But I remember when Calvin didn't
even touch a weight, and one day he got to
talk to me about him. You know, he started going
to gym with me and the rest is history. And
you look back on the Tennessee state champion. Uh, he

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was a state champion bartlebuild and I think he won
several other vodybuilding contested out of that. But the main
thing that I remember most about Cavin Solivan is his
intelligence and his knowledge of the business. I mean, you know,
he he had He had one of the brightest man's
that this business ever saw. He really knew what rasting

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was all about. And third, and but not least, it's
a tough as nails. I mean, Cavin Canerill whooped your
butt real good. You know, he wasn't very tall, but
he was as wide as he is high. But but
he was. He was ruggling in his day. Was a
very very good man and a good friend of man,
very good friend of man.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Did you get along with a thunderbolt?

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Patterson?

Speaker 1 (23:29):
I liked this Thunderboat a great a great deal. I
thought he you know, he was a great he was
a great talent and everything I say, my own head
probably dislike about him, that he he was more for
himself than he were for the business, and he carry
a lot of animostive from the from the past. You know,

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I didn't experience what he experienced, you know, where where
hay Stock got home and he's in a dress room
passing out KKK flowers in front of him, and he
went through a lot of bad, racist, uh stuff prior
by meeting him, So I couldn't understand his feelings. But
as I grew older, I kind of put myself in

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his play because I didn't have to go through exactly.
I was lucky. I was wearing a lot of good
people like Cavin Solivar, like Ole and Jean, and you
know a lot of people that that that was more
about making money in the building than to try to
humiliate me. But Boat worked a lot of bad territories,
you know, where people was not happening, but it wasn't

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making a lot of money. So he became the whooping
post for a whole lot of people. So, you know,
but a great guy in all.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
What about a build a butcher early.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
On, well, my biggest rembery of the abdu to the butcher.
And it goes back to Thunderboat. Thunder Abdodo would come
in for six months and work in the States, then
for six months he would go to Japan. So what
ended up happening. He was coming in and looking for
somebody to work for. He was supposed to work with Thunderboat.
Patas of Thunderboat was a baby face. Abdulla was a heel.

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So Abdullah, I mean, Thunderboat didn't want to work with Abdullah.
He said, we already known that match. Give me somebody new.
So amb Duda said, we'll give me the kid. So
I started working with Abdullah. And then one night, Uh,
they brought in Tommy Rich and they wanted and Tommy
was unknown, out of method, and they wanted Abdullah just

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to beat him out. They had no plans for Tommy
where Tommy wouldn't walk out to the ring. I mean
if at that time maybe a woman in the place
just went berserk over this guy. You know, they don't
screaming and all you think Elvis had entered the building.
So Abdullah got a beating on him. They got they
got the juice on him, and his beautiful blonde hair
became bright red. So the fans were getting ready to

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come to the the ring. Odie Anderson said, Tony, go
out damn run Abdullah off before we get a riding on.
I had, so I ran out there. The first thing
abdu to say slam, and Abdudah never been slammed. But
because I rushed to the ring, I was rested as
Black Atlas. Then I wore a mask, and when I
ran too the ring, I go to pick up Abdulla
to slam him, my mask comes off. And that was

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the beginning of Tony as I was Black Atlas before
I was Tony A. And it was all by accident.
And so the George Scott talked, called uh I mean
the only called. George Scott said, say, I just got
two people that just got over strong last night, Tommy
Rich and Tony Adners. He said, you gotta let me
keep him, and so they called uh A. Lawya told

(26:33):
Lawda they want to keep Tommy for a while. And
that was making me and Tommy rich. And it was
Abdullah the one that created it.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Wow, what about Dusty Rhodes your early members of Dusty.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Why Who mac daniels. I never met Dusty why Who
mc daniel was out and the tear Tar was selling
out everywhere. I mean every billy was sold out. Rick
Flair and Wahoo would just sell everything out, but Wahoo
got injured they couldn't work. So I said, oh, man,

(27:07):
the buildings. Everybody was saying, Oh, the building's gonna go down,
the building gonna go down. Who is going to replace Wahoo? Well,
Dusty Rose came in and as soon as they mentioned
Dusty Road, they had enough people to sell the building
out twice. Dusty had to be one of the most
talented wrestling this business of a sea and for his

(27:32):
drawing money, you know, he was between entertainment and wrestling,
and he was just as popular with the black fans
and he were with the whites. In fact, there was
a lady in Atlanta that used to always be standing
out back with fried chicken and potato siding. So I
went up to him one day and I said, hey,

(27:53):
is that for the brother? She said, no, this for dusting.
And that's how me and Dustin became freid because every
time she brings food, I hung around dust and so
I get a piece of that chickens under tat a salad.
But Dustin, you know, he's a great guy and ans
you can see from his son Dustin and gold Dust.
The talent is a is in the family. The same

(28:15):
thing with Ted Debosi. I mean when you watch him wrestler,
you see Ted Senior in his younger day. I mean
they even walk a light. They walk a light and
did the same thing with the Armstrong you know, you
know when you see one Armstrong, you see them all.
It's just a certain family just got that certain talent
that just go from blood lane to bloodline.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
You had mentioned Ric Flair. What are your early memories
of Flair in the starritory?

Speaker 1 (28:39):
But the first time I met Ric Flair, he was
standing in the hallway with a bowler, shaking his pucker
at some of the other boys, and every time, I
thank the flat. That's what I remember Fly doing. He
was always doing that. Why I don't know. I don't
know why he was shaking himself like that, guys, you know,
but Fly, I remember Ric FLAIRIR. When Rick Flair with

(29:03):
Ric FLAIRIR, and if you ever saw him in his heyday,
that was the most amazing individual you ever want to
see in your life. It was phenomena to watch him.
And it was nothing for him to go sixty minutes
a night and go out and drink and go into
a bar, and when he leaves out he picks up

(29:24):
everybody a time. You know, he was the guy that
walked the walk, talked to talk, tailor, made clothes, jet flying,
limousine driving. He was it. He was everything that a
wrestler of a dream about. You know. You know, he
was a Donald Trump before there was a Donald Trump.
You know, he was Tarsm Hall before there was a

(29:46):
Tarzan Hall. He wasn't probly the most phenomena uh entertainer
that this business ever seen.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
What does Bristos?

Speaker 1 (29:56):
The Brisco was was great wrestlers, but not entertaining like
flat I mean they was outstamming. They yeah, they cut
out rasta flair all day long. But it was just
the charisma and it was just the whole package deal.
You know. There were several people in the building like Flann.

(30:19):
The first was gorgeous George and the next one was
Buddy Rogers, and then that came Rick Flairn and it
all been three people in this business with that type
of uh, you know, Nick Bockwinker was pretty classic. He
wasn't a pretty classic guy. But but nobody you take
in the seventies and eighties, they were nobody close to

(30:40):
Rick flatn not even close. Nowhere.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
What happened in that territory with you and mister order
with the backstage bro it wasn't backstage, It was in
the cars.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
It was in the car. Yeah, well what ended up
happening was and if Paul tell the truth, he tell
you the same thing. We me and Tom Richard ride
together when Paul and uh brand o'dealer they needed arrived.
So I said, well, you know, Thomas said, yeah, y'all
can ride with us. So they got in the back seat. Well,
I pick up some barbecue ribs earlier, so I had
my ribs on the on the seat. So Paul said,

(31:13):
what is that steaky ship in there? I said, then
my ribs. Paul said, well, I'm gonna throw them out.
I said, Paul, if you throw up my ribs, I'm
gonna throw you out too. So we started changing words fastly.
He told Tommy pulled this car over. So we pulled
a call over. As I'm stepping out the car. Paul
Sucker punched me, but I didn't feel it because I

(31:35):
just got a high tolerance the pain. So I legged
on it and took him down and I just held
him down to the ground. Fanny Thoma said, all right,
that's enough guy. Y'all y'all got you know, y'all got
what y'all need to do. So as I got up,
I went back in the car, tom Paul apologized me.

(31:56):
I pot of that. Caul. Tommy looked over me. He said, Tony,
you're earing bleeding. So I looked at him and this
ear lobe here was hanging this little piece he was
just hanging down. So Tommy Wrinch said, Tony, you want
to go to hospital and get that stretched up. You
don't want to go around your whole life with your
free freaking ear hanging down like an ear ring. So
I went to the house Bitterer to get it stretched up.

(32:17):
The doctor said, well, you can't go home. I said why.
He said, because you was bitten by a humor He said.
The humor bite is the worst bite you could get.
He said, more deadly, more pausive than anything on the planet.
So I spent the night there because that'd give me
a technical shop because with a human bike next morning,
and that was the whole fight.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Wow, did you guys swash your heat after that?

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Oh? Yeah? We both probably never to talk about it.
But then later I saw a shoot interview with him.
We probably did it, yeah, And he didn't say what
I said. He kind of made it look like he
pound the shit out of men. I ended up in
the house burner, which the only reason I went to
the hospital because he bet me right when I had
to get a techno shop.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
It's crazy and that's the truth.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
And Tommy rich Tayd the same thing.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
What are you members of bob Orton Sr.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Bob Orton Senior. Well, he didn't talk much to me
because the thing about the old Tammas, they were only
talk to you when you do something wrong, and everybody
had they clicks, so you have to kind of earn

(33:25):
your spot to hang out with these guys. You know.
I hung out a lot with Kevin and Thoman and
people of that nex because we was all new into
the business, so you always had a lot of new
guys and once in a while we hang out with
an old Tamer like Johnny Weaver or Clin Nike bill
in order for us to learn. But most of the
time it was always clicks, you know, And so I

(33:48):
don't have a lot of memories there because you know,
you know, he was nice to me and everything. He
gave me advice once in a while, but I was
a part of his click.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Did you like wrestling for Georgia Championship Wrestling?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Did you like that?

Speaker 1 (34:00):
That was the best territory in the world. That was
the best territory. We was making anywhere between fifteen hundred
and twenty five hundred dollars a week. It was home
every night, and we got laid every night, every night,
sometimetoo or three times a day. We was a bunch
of wild kids, you know, until a lot of us
we end up getting married, and that slowed a lot

(34:21):
of the guys now, like Tito Santana, he lived a
wildlife until he met his wife. And then once he
met his wife, he was totally faithful to his wife
from that day home. But he met a good woman
right off the bat, which was very rare. And it's
busy for you to find a woman that we stick
with you, and very rare in the businey fan of guy,
don't cheat on his girl from that territory.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Where did you end up? Was it WWWS?

Speaker 1 (34:46):
No? First I started in Charlotte, and I went back
and forth from Charlotte to Minetlanta, and then sometime I
fly out West and Amberilla and other places. And then
when I left Georgia championship rested, I took it, went
to uh California. Then when I left California, and then

(35:07):
I went to WWF.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Who's out in California? Rushire's uh?

Speaker 1 (35:10):
No, I was goy mike Lebel mike Lebel because I
lived in LA.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
What are your members working for that territory?

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Cheap?

Speaker 2 (35:18):
He was cheap, chap.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
I made most of my money from doing commercials and
bodyguards when I made most of my money, But it
was still fun working for him though. But I remember,
I remember he was cheap. And then I left there.
I went to WWF. I left WWF, went the aw A,
went back to WWL. But once I went up north
an another went back down south.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
We'll talk about the w w F and well www
F and Vince Senior, what are your memories of coming
into that territory for the first time.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Well, the first thing that I remember was that I
was always told he had to be big. And my
first night there, uh Tino sat thinner Tenor and Alvin
pusktt ta get one of the tag championship by my

(36:06):
first night that I remember, they went in the tighter.
And then I remember going to a certain buildings that
Vince Senior he would have me to uh all the
time be on TV, but not house shows. So later
on when he started putting me on the house shows,
I remember every building I went to sold out. I

(36:27):
remember he was a very very forgiving, very intelligent individual,
and I remember Vince Jr. Wanted to wrestle many times
that he follow wouldn't let it. And I remember him
me and Vinced Junior going to the gym to get
up working out. He's always talked to me about bodybuilding,

(36:49):
and I think he loved bodybuilding. Did he like wrestling,
to be honest with you, but I remember it was
amazing to go into these arenas. He need Jack Gannay
arenas because it wasn't like that down South. Yes, sometime
with big arena, but you did a lot of small arenas.
They'll come to New York that was no small arenas,
and New York I had a hard time adjusted to

(37:10):
it because, like I said, I'm a old country boy.
So I had a very hard time adjusted to New York.
But in a way it was the worst thing that
happened to me. In the way it was the best.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Law is it the worst?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Well, because New York was the beginning and the end
of my career. See that. I was used to coaches
down South, where you do something wrong, they tell you, hey,
you're screwing up, kid. You need it straightening. I need
it straighten that out right. Went to New York. You
do something wrong, they won't say nothing. So you get
in your mindset that, oh they don't care. I could

(37:44):
do what I want to do. If you screw up
in New York, they would never say a word to you,
so you don't know if what you're doing is wrong
or right. They tell you to get home for your
days off, and you get a letter in the be
able to say you're services no longer need it. But
they would never tell you when you're screwing up where
we're down South, o amason, be in your face. You

(38:07):
string your acts out, kid, or you out the fricking door.
They won't do that in New York, so you never
know when you're gonna be fired. And that was the
most confusing thing. And you know, after all these years,
nothing changed. Wow, they still do being in the same way.
And I understand why they do it that way because
with vincea man pay you pay is raster, more money

(38:29):
in the promoter over paid. So Evince, hi, you he
expects you to be a professional person, you know, he
expects you to know how to act. And Vince just
refused the babysit.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
How would you compare Vince Senior to Vince Junior.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Saying same, saying, Vince Junior will never tell you when
you screw it up, and Vince Senior will never tell you.
They just let you go. He is olive it. They
you know where we're old it down South Toy. They
would warn you first, you get a warning, you know,
and then if you don't heave the warning, then they

(39:08):
cut you loose with the w w F at that
time and the w w now you get no warnings,
right right, yeah, yeah, you know kind of like what's it?
Well then and then when they come down the pipe,
you kind of like, oh wow, what happened. It's too late,
It's too late to worry about that. I'm on the
first time he find me, I said, well, what did

(39:29):
I did want? He said it was mounting? It was
what mounting?

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Like?

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Oh okay, it was building.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Up building, And I said, why you didn't say something
to me the first time? I could have convicted that
they didn't. How they do business?

Speaker 3 (39:43):
What was the reasons?

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Did you ever find out the reason?

Speaker 1 (39:44):
They don't tell you. They'll never know why. You was fine,
You're just gone.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
What are your memories of your first matching on WWWS
with Johnny Runs?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Johnny as everybody knows, a very very rough guy. And
what Johnny used to do, he used to test the
talent where they come in everybody. They first match in
the WWE at that time was Johnny Robbers and Johnny
would shoot against you. And if you could hold your
own against Johnny did The promoter at that time knew
he had a pretty good piece of talent because they

(40:14):
would didn't want to put the belt on somebody that
couldn't fight. So Johnny was mad to find out how
tough you are. And that's my best man, Johnnet.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
What about Lobato?

Speaker 2 (40:25):
You have any good Albanto stories?

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Oh? My battle stories I can't tell in public. You know,
because our battle was wild and crazy and he removed
in everybody. Oh yeah, he mooned her, which is not
not Vince senior wife. Now we talked about Vince junr

(40:47):
mother or he moved her right non subscribed. He would
do that. He could come in to the bar, he
pulled his pasts down, he moved. He didn't care, you know,
but he would shirt off of his back. And he
drew a lot of money for that promotion. He made
that business a lot, I mean sending laughter, said herself.

(41:09):
Her Alban wasn't selling it all. And then they put
Captain Lou Albana in there and it exploded. And that's
where Vince got the idea from Captain Lou Albanta to
start bringing Sending Laufler in as render rector of uh manager.
And then from from that thing with Captain Alabata, Vince

(41:31):
started using others cebathing like Franchin Latra, Mohammed Ali and
it all started with Lou. So when you go to
WrestleMania now and you see all these elevaties, you owe
all that to Lou Albata because Loudo one that got
them to bring in sending Lauler.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
What about about Baton. What are your early memories about about.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Bob. I'd say it was a great athlete, but I
think he took the business to st people. He took
the business too siously. He wanted wrestling to be like
college wrestling, but a lot of people don't pay a
lot of money to see college and wrestling. The difference
between pro wrestling and college wrestling. You have to have

(42:16):
that entertainment part in the pro You have to have
more than just two sweated guys rubbing their body but
against each other. You know, you have to have a
little bit more to offer in the world of pro wrestling,
and Bob could could never change away from that. He
wanted this business to be like the amateur business, and

(42:37):
I think I think he could have did a lot
better if he had been more down the middle, you know,
not so much to the left, not too much to
the right, but you know, in the center a little
bit on that. I like his idea, you know, because
you know, Bob was a real record guy. He worked
very hard for what he had, and then he had
to go in the ring and work with guys that

(43:00):
couldn't carry his bag and make them look like they could, right,
so they have to work a lot on his ego.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
What about great Valentine for eld time.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Period, Valentine did a very very good job of almost
filling his father's shoes. If Valentine was six four or six',
five he would be a splitter image of his. Father

(43:34):
the only thing that kept him from filling his father
shoes shoe was his. Height his father was so tall
and so. Impressive and they look, alike and they work,
alike and they got the same mentality in the same
psychology for. Wrestling but what really took away from Making
greg as great As johnny was the. Height greg is

(43:56):
only about six feet, tall Whereas johnny about six y,
five and he just tower over his. Opponent we made
him equally more and more impressive than what they were.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Talking.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
About big, Guys andre The, Giant what are you memories Of?

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Andre andre bought a car one time because the office
wanted to be, independent so he went out and bought
him A lincoln town car with the. Moonroof he got
in the cop stuck his head through the top of

(44:34):
the moon. Roof hey driving down the, road you don't
see they causing the circle with the clown and the
head is sticking out the roof and. Dead, yeah he
had his head sticking out the, roof had this big
wooly hair blown in the. Wear so this guy pulled
up beside. Him he thought it was a mannequin or.
Something so he kept looking and kept looking and found

(44:54):
And andre turning look at the guy. Scared the guy
had ready to, death so the guy Swiped andre new.
Car andre chased the guy down the. Highway the guy
family pulled. Over andre kme got out the car to
go get. Him the guy locked the door And dred
flipped the car. Over Jesus mother gun in there one,
night tried to throw him. DOWN a bunch of big

(45:16):
guys and he was just throwing them guys around like like.
This andre was the type of. Guy he control everything
that happened in that, ring everything that happened to. Ring
AND i don't think there'd have been anybody in this
business and probably never will that were compared To andre
to that he. Was he was one of the cat.
You he, had he had he had sixty two teeths

(45:39):
in the top, row just the top, rope knock him the.
Bottom he had over one hundred teeths in his. Mouth
andre was a missing link between them and us, now
and he he was the thing that scared them most about.
Him Dan, is Every sandys in the world wanted his
body to study because he wasn't just a big. Guy

(46:02):
he was just it was something different About andre that
no other. GUY i, mean you look At. Pitts you
never seen nobody like that the big, Show none of them,
guys not nothing like. That what About Don, Morocco oh
that my Buddy Don, morocco easy going, guy nice, guy,

(46:22):
strong very. RUGGED i remember one night WHEN i first
started a business And morocco had just started and some
guys were picking On morocco and Mister fuji the one
that brought him. In so What fuji did he drive
me one? Night morocco is telling them the. Story So
fuji saw a dead dog on the side of the. Road
so What fuji. Did he took the dog and wrapped

(46:44):
it in a towel and he took it. Home the next,
Day fuji invited all the guys over that was picking On.
Morocco and what he Did he cooked the dog and
fed into them raster that was picking on. Him So
fuji come out and that's the. Guy how you like the?
Barbecue all very, good Mister. Fuji very, good very, good Mister.
Fuji what about the? Beer want most beery about? That and,

(47:06):
OH i have enough being Mich, Fujian thank Mich. Fidi
the barbecue was? Good hunh you like you're like the? Barbecue,
OH i love your, barbecue Mister. Fujian he pulled out
the dog head and, said so your light role. KILLED
i heard that.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Story it's.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
True it's a true.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Story Miss fuji actually told us about.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
It it's a true. Story, wow a true.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Story what About Jimmy snooker early memories Of?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
JIMMY i Think jimmy could have went a lot further
in the business than what he.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Did do you think was the drugs OR i don't.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Want to say that was, it BUT i really do
think that he could have went a whole lot further
in the business than the, uh the then where they took,
him because he came back in nineteen ninety. One if
you look At, pitts he was the best developed man
in THE ww of nineteen ninety, one and they still
didn't go with. Them at that, time there was a
lot of rastlers using drugs they still went to the.

(47:58):
TOP i just feel that they could have Gained fooji a,
BROTHER i Mean, Slooker they could have done a lot
more with. HIM i think If Vince. Jr had had
the man set he had, NOW i think he would
have Took slooker to the. LIMIT i don't think they
gave him all he is that he.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Deserved what are your views on steroids and drugs and
all that stuff in the.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Business back in the, eighties stero was.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Legal were the only country in the world where it's in.
Legal you, know you know we used to go to
get it straight from the. Doctor now we became so
cynical about. EVERYTHING i mean most country drugs is. Legal you,
know you go To, hampsdam places like that is. LEGAL i,
mean go To. Canada you, know smoking weed is. Legal

(48:42):
you know weed is less harder than, alcohol but yet
alcohol is. Legal AND i think we put too much
restriction on. People if a person is sensible enough to
use sterol, properly if you use the, property you'll never
having any problem for, it never use it under a doctor.
Supervision but to think about, steroid a lot of people

(49:04):
don't realize you can't use everybody can't use. Everything LIKE
i can't take testosterone BECAUSE i got a high level
of Test so IF i take, testosterone every turns immediately
to estrogen in my body AND i would get what
you called bitch. Tests whereas another guy could take sterol
and they get, big huge. MUSCLE i don't get any.
MUSCLE i just get a pointed. Breast so it have

(49:28):
to be under a doctor uh. PERSCRIPTURE i don't recommend
drug used to, anybody but drug. Use certain drug are
not as harmful to the human body as people would
make it out to. Be, now as far as cocaine is,
CONCERNED i think that the worst thing That god that

(49:48):
man ever created car heroing and asset and all that
stuff is. Horrible but if for it's a guy under
doctor scripture taken, STEROLS i have no problem with. That
if a guy want to smoke a joint and drink
a few, BEERS i have no problem with. That he
want to drink a little bit of, WINE i have
no problem with. That but when you get into what
they call hard, drug but what to have? Happened soft

(50:10):
drug had got mixed in with hard, drugs and that
everybody just looking at them and that broad breast everything as.
Drugs if you take a bottle or of, aspra if
they had, more it's more dangerous to you than smoking a.
Joint you take too many vitamins could kill you if
you do. It you can hold d on. Vitamins see
a lot of people don't know. That so vitamins could

(50:33):
be just as harmful to. You anything you do too
much of it is going to hurt. You you drink
too much, milk you get. GOADSTONE a little bit of
milk it's. Good so IF i think everything is an individual,
thing what have happened to our? Country we become a
too critical a personal. Choices that people should have the

(50:53):
right to make personal, choices as long AS i don't
try to influence the kids to do WHAT i, do
or to influence it anybody else to do the problem my,
home the person do something the problems here in the.
HOME i don't believe a person to smoke a joint
and drive a school, bus or operate a train or heavy,
equipment or even drive a. CAR i don't think they

(51:14):
should do. THAT i THINK i think they should be
used the same way as you use any other. Man
alter stimulant and the problems in your home where you
got nothing else to, do but. Relax we'll talk.

Speaker 3 (51:27):
About your drug use BECAUSE i want to talk about
that like later, on because you got a problem and
You i'll bring that up coming. UP i want to
talk about other guys that you worked with in the
TERRITORY wwf early on in the.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Eighties Roddy Piper memories Of, Paper, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Yeah, YEAH i. Do He you, know he came In
ronnie hid it at the right, time you, know when
When vince was really into the talk shows and stuff like,
that and he had all this great energy and that
he was. Perfect you, know they never had anything yet
Like Piper. Pitt you, Know Pipe pitt was the first
and the last of his cab and separ. Tag they

(52:02):
try to repeat that scenario and so far nobody had
repeat What piper.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
Did you got that early on in your career Before
piper came along into the. Company you Worked hogan AT msg,
right what do your memories of Working hawk when he
was a heel managed by last.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
YEAR i gave him his first, Bump, wow and it
was a press, slab the first Bump hogan. Took because you,
know back in the, day if you are three hundred
plus playing, pounds you didn't have to take a lot of.
Bumps so without press Slam hogan it was pretty much
his first. Bump did you see potential In?

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Hogan like right?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Away, no you didn't think he was going to be
a big.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Star anybody could be a. Star what makes a star
is the. Promoter and at that TIME i didn't see
him being a big star BECAUSE i just didn't see
the promoter doing anything for. Him and and, uh the

(53:01):
person that take credit For hogan Is Sylvester. Stloan If
hogan had never made that, MOVIE i don't think he
only been a big. Star and that's the bottom. Line
because that movie became like. Fire it set off the
career for mister t and several other people got a
great career off of that off of that, movie you.

(53:23):
Know So hogan was the only one that sprung off
that movie and became a great. Star it was just
The loan stallone Made.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Hogan what about KEIN B? Terror you got to work
With ken To terror as, well, right he's working With ken.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yep kN ken was an amazing. Athlete and once again
it was just one of them guys that got right
to the edge of success but never really never really crossed.
Over it became great as he could have. Been a
lot of these guys was ahead of their. Tab they
didn't have the markability did they have that they to
really promote the. Guy you take a guy Like kim

(53:57):
But turkey hold back a truck being still, bars first
man to press five hundred pounds over his, head but
yet had got no more unarrested as somebody that that
never even saw The. OLYMPICS i went to The. Olympics
so a lot of these guys you talk, about they
was way way ahead of their. Tab they didn't have a.

(54:18):
Machine they didn't have the machine to really really give
them the boost that guy's. Got. Now now, guys they
don't have to be as, big don't have to be as,
strong don't have to be as, talented and they get
a lot more out of what they do.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Now memories of THE tnt show where you And paul
dref did the pose.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
DOWN.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
I never understood that here, TODAY i never understood what
were they planned because when he threw the cake of,
ME i didn't even know what was. Happening even, TODAY
i always wondered why didn't tell me what was going?
On they never told me what was going, on And
paul ran out the building because he THOUGHT i was

(54:58):
gonna beat them. Up LIKE i, said they don't tell you.
Nothing so if you're not prepared for what they're gonna,
do you just didn't call. It supply that that whole
show was a total surprise to. ME i, MEAN i
had no plan on. Posing they, said you got your trunk.
PITCHER i, said, yeah but go put them. On, okay

(55:19):
that's What i'm. Doing we just want you to. POSE i, said,
Okay SO i started posing AND i. Left they, said,
oh we Got Paul arndolf. Posing oh that's. Great paul looks.
Good then they, said, oh you win on. It i'm,
thinking when what DID i get hit in the face
with the? Cake total, surprise.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Unbelievable what about, Offense, seko THE si?

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Moments you got to work with? Them obviously With rocky
when you guys were teamed up as, partners you beat
them for the? Belts, yeah did you like working With Rocky?
Johnson because we did an interne With rocky and out
there's some kind of PROBLEMS i guess between you, guys.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Or, wait See. Rocket the thing About, rocket my, mom you,
say if you don't have nothing good to say about,
somebody don't say. Nothing so you KNOW i have talked
About rocket in the. Past if it's okay with, YOU

(56:14):
i like to just leave it that because me and,
him we just started, talking and, Uh, rocket the best
THING i could do is he didn't do me. Right
that's the best WAY i could PUT i could put
That Rocket johns and put it in. Sleep he didn't
do me.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Right but everything now is cool between you, GUYS a
little oh.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah but but he cost me millias and himself miriads of.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
DOLLARS i was gonna ask you about The WrestleMania thirteenth
thing coming.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Up, later so he cost. Him he cost both of
us milliads of dollars milliads on both. Occasions The WrestleMania
of thirteen, too, right we could have made phenomenal money
as a tag team, champion first black tag team, champion
and we, were and we the only tag team that

(57:01):
never made money with that bell Never what was the
plans for that after you, Guys but they were gonna
push us to the. Mountains But rocket kept screwing me
every chance he. Did he did something to me every
chance he. Got he just couldn't help.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Himself were you missing dates back and?

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Then or was he missing dates or?

Speaker 1 (57:25):
No what ended up? Happening my car was IN LA
i lived In Los angeles there AND i flew in
AND i SUPPOSE i used to WHEN i, FLY i
used to ride it as D. Jones but they broke
me IN sd up and put me In rocket, together
so Now rocket is my. Ride rocket would leave me
me And rocker was at this hotel right. Now back

(57:46):
in the, Day rocky had take off and golden the
shore and leave me sitting right in this.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Room why do you think that?

Speaker 1 (57:52):
WAS i don't have a clue even. TODAY i could
never understand. That and only other person that was like
that was Tagging Conway. Jr the funny thing about this,
business everybody that other helped me in wrestling was. White
everybody that ever screwed me in wrestling was. Black. JEALOUSY

(58:16):
i don't know what it, was BUT i never. OUT
i used to always hate with their team up with
a black person BECAUSE i KNEW i was gonna get.
Screwed Huh and nothing.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Changed what about you guys got to work a little
bit With bundy and Us John, studdy, right what do
you memories of those two guys.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
For two people were Mainly bundy most of, all for
a man his, size he was. Phenomena the only other
PERSON i knew that was that phenomena Was Bam Bam bigger.
THOUGH i mean you talking about a four hundred someth
pair man that could drop, kick you. Know but when
you when you go to do something With, Bunday bundy
flew around that ring like like he weighed one hundred

(58:59):
and thirty. Him he was the most agile you would
see the master him And. Hogan, oh he was more
flexible Than. Hogan you. Know he was just a tremending big, athlete,
Absolutely And The Big show reminded me a lot Of
abundant Because Big show to be so, big you, know
he's very. Aurgile you, know you don't watch How Big

(59:19):
show could, move but he could take any move and
do anything that ring him smaller kid can. Do it's
amazing that once in a while you get a person
Like The Big show or a person Like King Kong.
Bundy you, Know John stove was just a big, guy
you big and, strong But bundant was, big but he
was just show agile on top of.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
It how About Ivan.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Putsky puskin was For puskin pretty. Much he wasn't for the.
Business he was mainly just for For pusky And. Putskin
he drew a lot of money for this. BAND i
can't take nothing from him But. Pusty at the time
THAT i knew, him he was totally into his, training

(01:00:00):
totally into his, career and totally into his. Family so you,
know he was a very good business. Man he came
into business with one, goal with one goal, only and
that is to make as much money as his kid
and be with his.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Family he talked a little bit about teaming up with.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
St.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Jones was it the office's idea to switch you With
rocky or was that the?

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Office you? LIKE i LOVE. Sd S d was my
best friend in his, business my very best. Friend you.
Know he let me stay at his house he was
out of. TOWN i slept in his house with his,
wife in the same, house just me and, her, right you,
know he trusted me with his, family with his. Wife you,

(01:00:46):
know he would give me the shirt off of his.
Back you. KNOW sd WAS i would say it was my,
truly truly a very very good friend of My.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Do you remember When randy and his brother came into the, COMPANY.
Lannyo when they, Came, yes what are your early memories Of?
Randy THESE a lot of people say different things about.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Him, well a lot of people figure they're gonna give
the big push to them as a tag. Team but
But vince was a little bit smaller that he decided
to make them a separate, entity which was the best
day of the world because that Mantra man gimmick went
off like a like a media. BUP i, Mean lenny
was believing Not lenny was a better, athlete but he

(01:01:28):
just didn't have What randy had as far as the,
looks the microphone and the, charisma you, know and you
know the thing they did with him as the port
the porter but you, know the professor and all that.
Stuff it was, okay but it didn't come nowhere near
the status of Montra man that even now people oh,
yeah you, know it's still just as. Strong i'mber the

(01:01:52):
Slim gym commercial way back Of. Randy even now when
they do Slim, gym you almost Picture randy doing. It it's,
just you, know he, was you, know he was a
phenomena entertainer and And vince used him properly in the right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Way now in the, eighties everybody knows about the schedule
of W wf guys and being on the road all
the time and, working you, know seven days a, week
almost maybe twice On. SUNDAYS a lot of guys talk
about the drug. Use can you talk about your drug,
problem what you had back in the early, Eighties.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Well my, problem believe it or, not AND i put
this in my. BOOK a lot of people won't believe.
It IF i took a hit of cocaine today, TOMORROW
i can't move BECAUSE i had a four percent body,
fact SO i had no fat to absorb. It so

(01:02:46):
one one night of drug use put me out of
commission for four. Days so in the promoter, eyesight in
the people eye, Sight i've been doing drugs for four,
days when in reality only did it for one night
and it put me out of commission for Four they
it took me four days to get my stuff back,

(01:03:10):
together AND i never paid for. IT i never bought.
DRUGS i didn't have. To everybody knew had. Them you.
Know my biggest problem WAS i couldn't do them and
go to. Work you, know it didn't take much for
me right, now you, know IF i had two or three.

(01:03:31):
Beers by that third, Beer i'm slopping. DRUNK i never
had a high tolerance to, drugs so he had a
totally totally different effect on me than anybody. ELSE i
seen guys setting drink a six pack of, beer do
a couple of lads of, coke spoke a k going
to ring in. RASTA i tink one hitter that freaking.

(01:03:55):
COKE i can't make it to the, show walked to the.
Door my quadisceps to lock, up so you'ren't gonna make
a quick move to do it to grab your. QUAD
i try to make it back to. Bed i'm getting
the stomach. Crabs i'm getting my chest is tightening. Up

(01:04:15):
one hit would do that to. Me so it didn't
take a whole bunch of it in order in order
to in order to cause. Me made made it look
like That i've been on the wagon there for five
or six.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Days did anybody in the office ever give you any
warnings and, say, hey you need, to you, know either
choose drugs or get off the, Stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
LIKE i, said Darn. Charlotte they were only War Odie amason,
Was Jimmy crockett. Was but you're getting no. One he's just.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Gone now there's a you, know an idea that they're
gonna put THE ic total on. YOU i believe around
this period of, time and they said that the drug
use might have kind of ruined your. Push do you
believe what drug use might have ruined your push in
the early? Eighties AND.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
I never heard that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
WAY i don't. Know that's WHY i just read about.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
THAT i don't. KNOW i don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
What led you to leave the company in the early.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Eighties i'm giving away my. BOOK i wanted to get walked?
On what's THAT i want to get walked? On, no definitely, happened,
yes and you got heat for. IT i left went

(01:05:38):
To la to get walked. ON i supposed to been In. Philly,
OH i got a strong foot Fash.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
You want to talk about?

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
That, well not, really BUT i was to give you
briefly there there there are certain people in the world
that call dominitrice and UH i always had a strong
thing for. DOMINITRICE i got what they call this this
foot fetage for women's in in tennis. Shoes and there's

(01:06:06):
several other guys in the building that had strong foot fatages.
Too they like to be dominated by a. Woman and
the way the domination work is that some people in dominate.
You they use a, warp some use a, belt other
user shoe depend on what your weakness and what do
they find out what the slave? Weakness and this person

(01:06:27):
becomes what it called her foot. Slave, WELL i had
a dominator live In Los angeles and at that time
it was just the beginning with this new shoe come
un the called vans V A n. S they've came back.
AGAIN i see a lot of the people wearing them again,
now but you know they went out of. Style then
they abod start wearing the rebops and the conference and

(01:06:48):
your foot fat developed will how you or how you were?
Born like IF i see a woman in, heels it
made me think of. CHURCH i think Of god going
to church being. Good BUT i see a woman in the.
Hell they have no. Effect, yeah heels have no effect
on me, whatsoever because WHERE i always up in the,

(01:07:11):
farm and the only time a woman put on a
pair of heels where she went to. Church so WHEN
i see a woman in, HILL i think about. CHURCH
i see a woman in tennis, SHOES i become. SUBMISSIVE
i see a woman in a pair of rebops nothing
because they like boy's. Shoes you look a pair of

(01:07:31):
a pair of they look like. Tomboys to, me you
look like a. Guy make a woman look On god to.
Me so but with the, fans they will slip, ons you,
know they are like. Loafers so this girl Named lauren
that was in, hell like she knew about my. Weakness
so every time she ran low on, money she recalled

(01:07:52):
me AND i used to give her a thousand dollars
just to walk on. It SO i was on the
way to fill it where you're gonna put the straps
on me and Sde. Jones that's part of the story
you're thinking. About but what ended up happening was instead
Of i'm going to feel it LIKE i supposed, TO
i hopped playing AND i went to L.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
A, wow that's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Crazy, yeah but but it's a. Weakness you. Know it wasn't.
Drugs it's a WEAKNESS i got.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
You did you ever get help or anything for?

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
That or is it something that it's in? You it's
kind of like being. Gay how you're gonna get help
from being? Gay you Are i'm always going to be
a the. Dominatrix that's. Me you're not fifty some years. Old,
now How i'm going to change and and and there and,
there and there's a lot of guys got to call dick.
BOYS i see him On Fox news all the. Time
he used to have women's coming to The White house

(01:08:46):
when he Was clinton. Advisor they put him in a
bill and overalls and and they were spank, him and
he got in true Got Bill clinton in trouble because
what he was, doing he was letting, them letting the
girl over. Here the conversation between him And Bill clinton
and Then Donald trump wife had a guy whose work for.
Him they had a foot father and he and they

(01:09:07):
called him one time in the, closet you, know sniff
in her, shoes you. Know so so you have a
lot of people that have strong. Fantasy but were you
in the world of asdam and they called the slave,
master then the dominator had total control over over the.
Slave and there's no sex in vow which make even

(01:09:30):
more intense because if she's your, master you don't have
sex with, her, Right but that's how you dominate a. Woman,
interesting she becomes submissive once the sex. Come she's not
domining no.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
More well that's. Interesting let's talk more about. WRESTLING i
really what you wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
To know that that IS x rated.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Not a.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Thing maybe want to go to, church need to Create? God?

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Gotcha now from w W f you went a little
bit down to touches for a little bit work for the.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Right what are your memories Of fritz von Ark as a?

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Promoter FRITZ i went. There George scott was the book
and Now fritz had went on and Let George scott run.
Thing But fritz had this thing with his. Boy it's
got to be number. One you. Know we did an
angle one time With Brand, adidas And Brand adidas used

(01:10:28):
to do the thing Like Ernie lamb where you tape
the finger and they hit the guy in the. Throat
what ended up happening was somehow went. Up kevin had
A caesar in the, ring just says he hit him
in the throat with the thumb by. Accident so they
Take kevin to the. Hospital they say this is all a.
Shoot you, know they're having This. Cazar so we wasn't

(01:10:50):
making no money In. Texas then all of a sudden
they made all this. Money we started making big money,
again and they Beat Brand. Adidas me and The Dingle
warrior who later became The Ultimate warrior was tag team,
poplers and we were doing good business for. Them did
it come? In they wouldn't book us on the show

(01:11:10):
no more because The Ultimate warrior was, higher was getting
more popular with the people Than kevin And. Carry that's
how The Ultimate warrior ended up in u w W
f at the. Time AND i went To Puerto rico
because we we just couldn't get to work With you,

(01:11:31):
know you you good in that area With. Fritz you're
good With fritch until you become slight getting over with
the fan and we started rising against his. Boys he
would beat you or. Fire he did want you getting
over his, boys and that's what killed his stair to.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
Him and down there you had the Black superman. Character,
yes any good V r, STORIES i mean we get
we do interviews with all the time with guys and
they tell us crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Stories that's pretty much the main thing about the Von ergs,
there the fact that they were not, allowed that they
were not they their their glory was more important than
the tarante and the restling. Business and that's why it
was so easy For vince to rise where he rides
Because vince were more interested in making money and building

(01:12:19):
the w W f and not so much into Building vince,
McMahon and when that Von irk was into building the Von,
irks nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
ELSE i hear that a.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Lot what was arc? Like kerr was a super nice.
Guy you. KNOW i was shocked WHEN i WHEN i
hear what he did to himself AND i see his,
daughter and it's sad that he thought so little of
that child to do that to. HIMSELF i, mean, why
but you, know If e've had, problem why deny her

(01:12:50):
the chance to get to know own? Father why do
that to? Her people worrying about? Carry what about what
about his? Daughter nobody talking about? Her you imagine what
that girl go through every? Day was she hear that
man's name knowing that he didn't love her enough to stay?
Here how can you not love your daughter enough to stay?

(01:13:13):
Here no matter what type of father you, are how
bad you, are that's your. Daughter. Man you should want
to stay here to protect her and make sure everything
is okay with. Her not go ahead blow your freaking
brains out because because you got to go and spend
a couple of months in.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
Jail what About david bout?

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Her same? Thing they thought so much of, Themselves nobody
else meant nothing to. Them same thing WHAT i tell
you about one you can you can spread them all.
Around and if father done that to, him they are
saying so much into themselves that they they they never
thought about other people that love them and care about,

(01:13:52):
them like they poor mother who gave birth to. Him
how do you think a mother feel burying her own?
Kids it's a crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Story what About Matt? Bourne you worked With matt down
there a little.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Bit, Right oh.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Yeah memories of working With matt not a.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Lot it just you, know because a lot of people
That i've worked, with we didn't. Socialize so a lot
of the people you keep asking me, ABOUT i can't
tell your story because we went we did our. Job
they went their. WAY i went my. WAY i didn't
have a lot of people THAT i hung out. With you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Know did you work with Ad be down In texas
for a little?

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Bit oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, YEAH i wanted the brads
up tier From Man build.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
And Then brody would come in and right right now From.
Texas you also worked In Puerto rico right For carlos And.
Victor what are you memories of that promotion down there
In Puerto?

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Rico, well my best memory Is brody walking in the
shower coming out with his guts hanging.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Out i'm gonna talk all about.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
That that's my best, memory a portal because of him
getting stabbed to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Death that you know what exactly happened in Your we've
done interviews With Savio.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Vega i've done interviews With dutch Mantel uh and a
couple other guys that were in the locker room at
the point in time when it. Happened Bobby jaggers talked to,
us what is your view on what happened WITH.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
I don't have a. View you know what, HAPPENED i
don't have a. View, Well brody was setting there on
the steps of The tantamount AND i came out AND
i Asked, BROW i, said you need a? Ride he
said Where Jose's bota picked me. Up they rode together
the night. Before THEN i, said, well you can ride

(01:15:40):
if us see if you. Want AND i had a
buddy that works at the gym to call The Monster muster.
Factory so him and his wife came to pick me
up And, brody myself And dutch man. Tail we got
into the. Car me And dutch set in the back
AND I brody in. Uh. Uh brody set up front
uh and my buddy wife sat in Between brodie and.

(01:16:04):
Him we got to the. BUILDING i was sitting. THERE
i was doing a portrait Of mark And Jay youngblood
And brodie come over and, say, oh that's good to.
HIM i didn't know you could draw like. That that
looked just like. Him. Guy he, said can you do
a picture of my kid from? It SO i, said,
yeah give me a picture of your. Kid WHEN i said,
That jose came by and, Said, brodie CAN i see you?

(01:16:26):
Say they went in the, shower and they walk in
the shower all out here Were SO i jumped up
BECAUSE i was about it for from here to. You
from the, SHOWER i dropped my arm pad AND i
Saw Jose brody bending over holding his. Stomach jose had
a knife like this collars cologne cut in front of.

(01:16:47):
Me Grabbed jose by the, arm Push jose up against the.
Wall said, No, jose, No, Jose jose come down with the.
Knife Cut brody prottail. OFF i Pulled brody out of the,
shower ate him down on the. Floor now we waited
for the. Ambulance now AS i was there waiting for the.
Ambulance the thing that shocked me the most was the

(01:17:12):
guys getting dressed for the. Show that was the most
shocking thing to. Me so then the guy couldn't Lift.
Brodie he, said can anybody help me lift? Him AND i,
SAID i can lift. Him SO i go to pick
up bro The brody, said don't don't drop, me. BROTHER i, said,
BROTHER i COULD i curl more than what you, Weigh
SO i said to. Him in the thing that the

(01:17:33):
ladies and the man, say if somebody don't want to
go with, him they can go with. Me SO i
got on the ambulance AND i figured AS i jump
on the avelant AND i couldn't you, KNOW i don't Speak,
spanish SO i have A buddet man that Spoke. SPANIST
i reached out the car out pretty, powerful back to
my young. DAY i grabbed everybody in the back of
his shirt AND i drugged him at the ameulet and

(01:17:53):
he was able to pull him said for the. AIRPLAT
i went to the. Hospital SO i sat there With
brody for a, while and the doctor fatly came in
and looked at, him AND i sat there while they
took him in the operating. Room so the guy come back.
Out he told, me said we got him. Stable so
THEN i left went back to the. Building WHEN i

(01:18:14):
walked into the, building ALL i here was laughing and,
joking patting each other on the back over the great
match they, Had how wonderful this, one how wonderful that.
There And i'm standing at the. DOOR i, said my
man just got stabbed in, there and everybody's acting like nothing.
Happened so this policeman's coming over and he, said he's.

(01:18:37):
Ashamed what happened to your? FRIEND i said. Yeah he,
said did y'all get a look at? IT i, said
look at? Who and they said a fan that did?
IT i, said didn't no fan stab that? Man he,
said well who stabbed? HIM i said that man sitting right?
There he, said you Mean? VADER i, said, yeah he
the one that stabbed. Him so then one thing led to,

(01:19:00):
another and so the police went a man and asked
other people what they. See everybody in the dress room was.
Bland nobody saw, nothing But tony ad that's why every
Time brodie didn't come, up who didn't come up with?
It BECAUSE i was the only one that spoke up for.
Him and in many people they supposed to be in his.
Friend he couldn't find one person to speak up for

(01:19:21):
him that. NIGHT i was the only person to speak
up for that man that, night And i'm the one
they got all the blame for it and everything for
sticking my nose in. There SO i was married to
A Puerto rican girl at the. Town SO i called
her and told her what, happened and she, said, WELL
i show hope you keep your mouth shut and not saying.
NOTHING i, said it's too. LATE i just told the
police what. Happened she, said, well you better get the
hell out of. That so the next Day abdudah called a.

(01:19:44):
Meeting so he, said, well SO i can't go, down
And i'm you, know cause the heel and babyfait didn't Dress,
god he, said he said you got to, Go, tony he,
said BECAUSE i didn't see what. Happened he, said you,
know he, said he, said you guys the only one
they saw what. Happened So i'd SAY i go down
if somebody go down with. Me So cicca, Said i'd
go with. You SoC to the police. Stage, Yeah So

(01:20:07):
cicca took me, down walked down to the police. Statement
SO i told him what? Happened WHEN i got back
to the dress, Room Sabia vega said you better leave
to him because you running your mouth and they're coming after.
You SO i went to the, airport set at the
airport all, night caught the neck flight out the next.
Day did you ever go back to the? ISLAND i
went back about two months ago for his anniversary. Show

(01:20:29):
what was?

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
That?

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Like little? Nervous but they told me they they're gonna
contact me for the. TRIAL i never heard any more about.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
It why do you think jose got?

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Off was no? WITNESSES i was the ONLY i was
the only person that would speak, up and that WHEN
i didn't show, up that was pretty, much, uh pretty
much the end of.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
It why do you think they never called you to?
Testify do you think they paid?

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
Off OR.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
I think they didn't want me getting. KILLED i would
have never, testified you know. That how far do you
THINK i would have made into that? COURTHOUSE i would
have been, killed AND i don't think the cop wanted another.
Death on the, HAND i wouldn't be here telling the
story IF i went back. There.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Hm did you ever run into the invader?

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Again? Oh, yeah but that wasn't between me and it
would just JUST i saw something like IF i see
something happen to, you you, know LIKE i, Said i'm
from The hills Of virginia and us are Old virginia bridge.
RUNNERS i just can't sit back and watch something happen
to you and they set back and you, know and
not say nothing about, it or LIKE i don't know

(01:21:39):
what's GOING i can't do that and it's not in.
ME i wasn't raised that. Way what did.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Invader say to you when you guys run into each other?

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Again? Nothing, yeah it was, like you, know well you're
talking about the old da, age talking about we asked you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
Know, wow, yeah that's a crazy. Story.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Yeah did uh the other.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Guys did you ever like look at down on them
for going, Back LIKE i know a lot of guys
that they were going to go back and work for the.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Church. Ory, no a lot of guys went back because
that's the rested. Business you don't have friends and restedly
have business. Associates if you leave this, business you got
two friends or one. Friend considering, itself lucky wrestlers have
never been each other. Friends we've been each other business. Associate,
true you, know and if we could cut one of

(01:22:25):
the other guy's throat that cost him his. Career we're
doing it as a.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Heartbeat do you want to say anything else about the
murder or?

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
No, no, NO i just wish that that never. Happened
that's you, know it was a horror harbor. Thing and
what it, is it is. Straw everything we loved About Puerto.
Rico Puerto rico was like a paid vacation and there
was so many, wonderful wonderful memories for many many, wrestlers
so many great stars got their career. There and for

(01:22:58):
that isn't, happen just took it all.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Away why do you think the incident even happened in
the first. PLACE i, Mean i've heard different. Stories what
the reasoning. Was what did you?

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Hear, nobody even though it'd be very hard to, speculate you,
know because what happened between them, two the only one
really know Is jose And, brody because there was no,
argument no, Nothing there was. Nothing he walked, In jose,
said CAN i talk to? You brodie, said, yeah he

(01:23:28):
walked in the. Shower he got stabbed with just that.
Simper there was no, argument no, fussing no, shouting no.
Nothing there was nothing to show why or where or?
When it just?

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Crazy, yeah From Puerto rico. Territory you took off a
little bit of, TIME i, believe and then you went
back to W f and they gave me the Sagim.
Right what are your memories of that gimmick and and
why it didn't?

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Work? WELL i think it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Worked do you think it was a racist Gimm? No, NO.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
I think it really. Worked BUT i think what ended
up happening was it wasn't they planned on his. Working
if it didn't, WORK i would have stayed. THERE i
don't think they would have planned on it, working Because
i'm coming home and my wife saying That Ronnie piper
and Gorinal mont soon they said that Ain't Solber, simber

(01:24:26):
That's Tony, Atler and that's my first. Deview, now why
are they doing? THAT i think what they do they
want to make me out of a. Clown and it didn't.
Work the gimbet started becoming. Popular people started liking, it
and that's WHY i didn't let me.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
Go they didn't want it to get.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Over they didn't want it to get over like the
goblet goover and they put that the freaking. Thing they
didn't want it to get, Over but it. Did BUT
i was so popular with the. People there was nothing
that they could do to Hurt Tony atlers BECAUSE i
did so much in the past that you. Know AND
i really believe that's why they they they had cut,

(01:25:04):
together not because it wasn't getting. OVER i think it
because BECAUSE i look at the old tapes at, ALL
i see the kids dancing in the, hallway you, know
the kids on the right. Side they were, Here BUT
i was getting with.

Speaker 3 (01:25:17):
It, well how different was the company the second time?
Around was it? Was how would you compare it to
the first time you were?

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
There wrestling is, dead bottom, Man there's no more, Wrestling
it's sport. Entertainment the day of the wrestlers are. Gone
there's no no such thing as a professional, wrestler no more.
Gone everything is. Stripped what you, say how you, walk

(01:25:46):
how you, talk everything from the beginning of the match
to the end is all. Stripped you don't have wrestling
them where you have. Actors you're talking to one the
last rap.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
From W F you ended up in W cw for
a little. Bit you WORKED i guess the Sixth? Man
or was you And Cactus jack And? Barbaria Too cold
And Ron, Simmons what are your memories of W.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Cw you you tell me they bring me in to
fight round. Somemmers but BEFORE i arrasced around, SUMMER i
had to do a job for everybody in the, territory
with the exception of the. Referee everybody beat me but the.

(01:26:34):
Referee and then they put me against the world.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Champion so you already knew the writing was on the.
Wall thoughts On Kevin nash from around this time, Period, UH.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
I was random a. LOT i don't know, him. Gotcha
he had no time for. Me he got No if
he walks right, there right, now he wouldn't say two
words to. Me i'm beneath. Him what do you think that?

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
Is do you just think it's?

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Egos some people just feel butter than other, people and
he feel that he's buttered than. Me?

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Gotcha what About Eric? Bischoff what are your memories About Erk?
Bischoff who was in charge when you were?

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
There was a? Kid BUT i was WHEN i was
in w C. W it Was Bill, Watson Dusty Rolls, okay, okay?

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
Cool?

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Yeah what are your memories About Bill?

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
WATTS i don't know how true it. Is Bill watts told.
Me the only reason they didn't give me a big
push Because dustin didn't want me That that's What bill, said.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Right you, know did you ever confront us the?

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Onitor?

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
No, NO i left it alone from.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
There YOU. Fwcw you worked For, MARIUSVODY i believe for
a little, bit, Right what are you memories Of Tony
rumble and Then mario and all those.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
GUYS i was AN icw champion and my home address
Was Kennedy. PARK i was only homeless world champion in the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
World how did that all come?

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
About how did you become?

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
HOMELESS i went up to work For mario AFTER i Left.
Texas my last wife took everything. ALL i didn't want
to fight it in. COURT i, said just keep. IT
i gave up one point five million dollars to a
woman and just walked away from. It all house every
day is walked away. From mario, said you come To

(01:28:50):
maine AND i can make things work for. You he,
SAID i can't pay you What vince pay. You he,
SAID i can guarantee you fifteen hundred dollars a, week
which is seventy five thousand. DOLLARS a, yeah. Good so
we went up at first And Tony rummer was was my.
MANAGER i was a bad guy and we did a
hanger With Avid pusket where we started selling out. Everything
but what happened well every Time mario ran a, Show

(01:29:13):
Vince runner. Show so one thing people don't understand about
being a. Wrestler WHEN i started, WRESTLING i was nineteen years.
OLD i never did nothing a day in my life
but wrestler and lift. Weights that's ALL i did my whole,
life wrestler and lyft, wights wrestling and lyft. WEIGHT i

(01:29:35):
didn't have no, trade no, talent no. NOTHING i only
had a high school. Education so by the TIME i
got To mario's, VOTED i was in my late, thirties
almost forty years. Old so you take a professional wrestler
back in my, day was like a guy you sing

(01:29:56):
to penitate tary for twenty. Years they take knowledge society
for twenty, years then you put them. Back, now some
guys saved their, money some guys got involved in other,
stuff those that had a little bit more education than.
Others but there was a whole group of guys that
had very little bit of. Education all they knew was

(01:30:17):
this world of. Wrestling WHEN i WHEN i left. Wrestling
there was paid, phones.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
Computers you know What i'm. Saying WHEN i came back
into the real, world there was cell, phone there was.
Computers the WORLD i left was not the WORLD i
came back. To so WHEN i went and got To,
Maine Mario, FOLDING i had five hundred dollars to my.
Name SO i went out and looked for. Work but remind,

(01:30:47):
YOU i never did anything but rastler and left, waste
rasser and left. Waste SO i put a filler application for.
Work because this Is, maine snow has started to come,
down and they say your, TRADE i put down. WRESTLER
i never did. NOTHING i never had a. Job so
fairly what ended up happening was THAT i WAS i

(01:31:11):
got a room at THE ymc because it was one
hundred and twenty dollars a, month AND i stayed there
for about two. Months one DAY i was out job.
HUNTING i come. Back all my stuff is sitting there
in the hallway of THE. Ymca so the guy, said told,
HER i hate do, this but you know, you you
know you ain't pay your rent for the. Month SO

(01:31:34):
i took my bag and THE icw tighter AND i
went and started sleeping in the. Park AND i was
a homeless person In maine for a year and a.
Half at the same TIME i was THE icw. Champion
then There's woma saw me one day sleeping in the

(01:31:56):
park and she come over to me and, said why
are you laying out here in the. COLD i, said
it's not, Cold she said it's. Cold she, SAID i
just saw the. News it's twenty. Two little. ZERO i,
had nah feel good out? Here leave me the f a.

(01:32:16):
Long THEN i cussed her out right our. Way then
she comes back for a butcher, knife her and her.
DAUGHTER i get scared, there SO i try to get
up and. RUN i can't. Move this whole lead, here
half of this lad all the way up to, here

(01:32:36):
all the way across here was frozen in. Ice and
the reason THAT i couldn't feel, nothing my body had
went completely. Numb so they started chipping the ice away
from around. Me so then after they did, that they
drunk me to her house and just then she put

(01:32:57):
me in a. Bathtub now. PICTURES i was homeless for
a year and a. Half you know WHAT i? Mean
to be homeless for a year and a, HALF i
couldn't even, imagine NO i mean smell. WISE i mean
for a year and a, HALF i ain't went. Nowhere
there no. WATER i ain't had a bath or, shower

(01:33:18):
or breast my teeth or wipe my butt for a
year and a. HALF i used to crawl in the
back of our McDonald's when they. CLOSED i used to
crawl in the dumpster and get the old burgers they thought.
Away that's HOW i stayed. ALIVE i would take clothes
AND i would put them on where people used to
live to close at The Salvation army from the picking,

(01:33:41):
up we go get them, clothes, Man we put them,
on you, know to keep. On even in the summer.
TIME i kept the same clothes on because once you
take the clothes, off another homeless person would take. It
so whatever you, own you have to keep on. You
so this, dady it takes me, home AND i ain't
had a bath in a year and a. HALF i

(01:34:01):
got lights and everything in my. Hand, brother my skin
is peeling, off my. Faith you, know she didn't know
WHO i, were this. Woman she put me in a.
BATHTUB i screamed blood and. Murder that water when the
circulation came back in my body was the worst freaking

(01:34:21):
pain in my. Life it hurt so BAD i went into.
Shock so she called the. Ambulanch they took me to the.
Hospital WHEN i came, to she come up and asked
the doctor how WAS i? Doing and the doctor, said
where are you getting? From and she told him and he,
said you, know if that man had laid out there

(01:34:43):
for another, hour he'd been. Dead he, said you know
that man was one hour from being. Dead he, says,
amazing he's still. Alive and Then vince called me and
a policeman chased me. Down he, said do you know
A vince Back man said, YEAH i used to work.
For he, said, well he's been trying to get a
hold of you for a. WEEK i said really. YEAH i,

(01:35:06):
said WELL i don't have no where of calling. Him he, said,
Well i'll tell you what told. It you go to
the police. Station you would call her for the police.
Station he, said we know who you. Are he, said
we really been hoping that something that you would get
another break in. Life so THEN i went to police
station And vince called me to be to become Saber.
Smber so three months BEFORE i became made my parents

(01:35:29):
A soybersember and this woman she fed. Me she gave me,
food she. Spent she was making one hundred and twenty
dollars a week and she was and heard a. Dollar
they were not very rich, people and she's A german
woman with a black daughter In. Maine who would ever.
Figure so she's cooked for me and did. Everything and

(01:35:51):
WHEN i first went to, MAID i was two hundred
and eighty six. Pounds, well she found ME i was
one hundred and sixty seven. Pounds and WHEN i went
to Do, SOMBERCEMBER i was two twenty. Five but because
my body wasn't used to all this, FOOD i went from.
TWO i went from two twenty five to about two

(01:36:13):
eighty and two ninety real, fast but it was all.
Fat that's WHEN i got that bloat look THAT i
was WHEN i was sober symbol BECAUSE i do. It
WHEN i started eating, food it just and you know,
what there's another. Thing two things that taught me what
wrestling is all. About first of, all we broly got,
staged nobody. Cared When Tony atlas became, homeless nobody. Cared

(01:36:42):
and they were the two main things that really taught
me what pro wrestler was all. About everybody love you
when you're on. Top but when you hit the, bottle,
brother you would be, lucky lucky if one wrestler call.
You IF i dropped dead. Tonight there's not one wrestler

(01:37:05):
THAT i know in this. World we'll find out my
wife number and call my wife to tell her what.
Happened they wouldn't do. It and that's the sad thing
about professional. WRESTLING i told many of people that WHEN
i was, HOMELESS i knew more millionaires Than Rocket funner

(01:37:26):
and couldn't bump a quarter to get a cup of
coffee and knew more millionaires Than Rocket. Funner wrestling is
all is like what they For Sean's you, said it's
a dog eat dog. World you have to get your
bait out of, it mad, dog And sean lost both.
Legs never got one phone call for any. Wrestler, yet

(01:37:50):
that's All i'm just preaching at The hall Of fame and,
said in them guys you worked with other, Calling, no
never hear from him. Again look how many guys go
through THE ww and everything they, gone they. Gone and
that's why guys dropped dead like that because they just
can't believe that guys they rolled with, it did this with,

(01:38:10):
it did, that, well, well just forget about him so,
easily and it all happened so. Quickly it's not a graduate,
thing and it's all. Over and if you didn't prepare
for the, future you're in. Trouble guys you ride up

(01:38:30):
and down the road with they would get the book
somewhere where they in. Control who get, hired who get?
Fired they, said, oh, yeah that's great, Man my friend
is running this. Organization you never get a phone call from.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Him it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
Business, Yes, NOW i got to say this About Cavin
sOliver when he was in charge of W. Cw he
called for me to come down at BUT i was
working with THIS awa time With tito Sand, tim SO
i didn't really need a, job SO i gave it
To Rick, fuller which didn't Make cavin so happen Because

(01:39:10):
cavin wanted me because he was an old friend And
rick Quick Drum rick McGrath was another. Guy and most
of the guys that really really help people in tams
of need are guys that have never been talked. About
but look at all the people that that That, hogan
all the Money hogan. Made who, hey you ever helped
in the.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
Business you hear that all the. Time.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
True he never helped. Nobody he's down there now taking
the job away from the young. Kids, now that's the
same way they don't have they, run they don't made any.
Money he gonna go down and there and they strawed
all them young. Kids right, NOW tna is on his
last leg because of that. Man it ain't going nowhere

(01:39:51):
now because everything's gonna be About hogan. Now and ain't
nobody in other, word that Von erckx went TO. Tna
nobody gonna get over. Them god ain't gonna happen bad back, crutches,
anything no.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Matter it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
Analogy what?

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
Happened, uh, Well i'll bring back.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
That we're gonna talk about the coming up. Again when
you went back for A cw And Mark, henry you
are wrestling only thirteen with The? Rock what happened with?

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
That you're supposed to.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
Be another big Qush LIKE i, said they Brought the
worst thing they did was they brought. Rocket my mom,
said if you don't have nothing good to say about,
somebody don't say it. That SO i don't follow my mother.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Advice you also did THE mtv show where they portrayed.

Speaker 3 (01:40:39):
You they followed you. Around what are your memories of
doing that M tv.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
Show, well right after the show was all, over that
were the best Things i've happened BECAUSE mtv introduced me
to a new. Crowd me And george were coming from
the coming from The independence. Show one day That George,
griffin That rougheree THAT i traveled, with AND i remember
getting out the car and this little kid come ringing
up to me about maybe about twelve or thirteen years.

(01:41:06):
Old he, said You Tony? Atlas at you AND i
looked at. HIM i, SAID i, said who told you about?
Me your? Dad your dadd is A rasts fan All
my dad don't Watch, rattler BUT i know who you
are AND i saw you ON. Mtv SO mtv introduced
me to put you back on the map right to
a younger. Crowd and they just didn't show you that

(01:41:26):
one tag a. Lot it aired a, lot you, know
so all the young people that WATCHED, tv all of
a sudden they knew Who Tony atlans were FROM. Mtv
SO mtv was really really in the fact there's people
even now that know me FROM mtv but don't know
me FROM. Wwe, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
How did you want back up in THE ww With
Mark henry AND. Ecw how did that all come?

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
About, well they wanted me to train him, because LIKE i,
Said i'm right, Now i'm a certified personal trainer AND
i have several success stories in the state Of. MAINE
i had a kid program Called Team atlas WHERE i
take trouble kid AND i bring them to the gym

(01:42:12):
and they work, out and we had academics for them
to do, also and just to give them a place of.
Belonging that's why most kids join the street. Game it's
not because they want to be big and, bad because
they want to belong to. Something they love to be.
Lost SO i created my whole little street game Called Team,
atlas and they come and they work, Out they, draw

(01:42:33):
and they read and they write and they do several
things in the. Program, ALSO i train to three state bodybuilding.
CHAMPIONS i trained about four. Swimmers one became an alternate
in The. Olympics right, Now i'm trading some hockey and

(01:42:54):
football players and most everybody may when they want their
kid to really be great as. SOMETHING i ended up with.
Them And, uh The state Of maine gave me a,
letter a big letter that that say only maybe ten
people uh in the whole. State, however received one of

(01:43:14):
these letters over in its says the beginning of. Main
so it's a very high artor it's a legend letter
or something that they gave. Me the police department gave
me many many. Awards UH i put on bench best
competition for The Fire department to help volunteer farmers to
have money and stuff from this. Nature so With vince

(01:43:36):
heard about all this, stuff he, said what butther person
did to Train? Mark henry and getting me shape Than
Tony atlas easier saying they're. Done it was a. Challenge
the only person in my career as a trainer THAT
i couldn't. Train this wasn't gonna do, it was not

(01:43:59):
gonna do. It he's got the. Discipline BUT i think
the problem was is the way they went about doing.
It they brought me in right the first, day say
you his, boss and they called friction right off of. Them, well,
no we got along. Right he just wasn't gonna do

(01:44:19):
that WHAT i wanted to do in the, gym and
he was gonna eat when they want to. Eat he's
not gonna go by my. Die, No. MARK i Love
mark like a. Son he's one of the, nicest sweetest
people you don't want to be in your, Life so
a lot of people be dead If mark was. Mean
what do you remembers of A?

Speaker 2 (01:44:38):
Dreamer?

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
OH i remember A. Dreamer he was on the independent.
Circuit you, know a great, guy very good head for this.
BUSINESS i THINK i think if TN a would listen
To dreamer the, day they would go a long. Way,
YES i mean that's the best thing to best moved.
To they may be taking that. Guy let me tell

(01:45:01):
you he's very intelligent when to come to this.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
Business Colin, dealini did you See talent And?

Speaker 3 (01:45:07):
Colin?

Speaker 1 (01:45:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
Yeah what About hornswaggle and Fit. Finley you guys did
a little program with those, guys, right did you like
working With hornswaggle And Finland?

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
HAWKSWADEN i don't know that. Well finley and my wife
is like brothers and. Sisters my wife thinks the world
of Of. Philly philly is a straight. Shooter he don't bullshit.
You he tell you straight and he will help anybody
he can most of all the divas there are just

(01:45:41):
about every match. There he's put the gun About. Finland
he works with The philly is the type of. Guy
he's Not. Egotisica he could chew up anybody that ring he,
wants but he. Don't finley is there for the. Business
he would do whatever it takes to make to make
the program. Work what are your.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
Thoughts on The Abraham washington show that you're a part
of your role with that whole. CHARACTER i, mean did
you like doing?

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
THAT i loved, it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:08):
To be honest with. You there is nothing anybody that
would do with the W w that they would. DISLIKE
i mean just the idea of just being a power
of that. Organization you, know it's very very. FULFILLING i
mean when you, know when you see the people and
the setup and you, know it's very. IMPRESSIVE i, mean

(01:46:32):
you can't help for being. Impressed you. Know Abraham washing
it was on every, week you, know AND i was
on every week Doing Abraham Washing it first time people
saw me in a, suit you, know even With Mark
henry as Manager Mark. Henry other than the training, PART i,
mean it was fantastic walking to the arena With Mark
henry and the feel that energy once again at my,

(01:46:55):
age you. Know so anything with the W w was
just anybody tell you that that it was, bad it's
full of horse pocket you, know how can you walk
out In Mansell square gotten or for that, MATTER i
was In wrasamania in two thousand and, eight Manager Mark
henry in a lot of. Match you, know it's a

(01:47:16):
mile to the, ring, crazy it took. Him it was
about a mile walk to that freaking. Ring brother getting
to the ring, ALMOST i, mean you, know and the
place is Jam Pat and Then i'm sitting in the
back talking to people Like Donald, Trump Michael, Duncan Clark

(01:47:37):
Can't Rock, Fantasia Jennifer. Hudson all these people is working For.
VENs my boss is their. Boss Donald trump is sitting
there more impressed with me THAN i am with. Him

(01:47:57):
how can you not feel? THAT i, mean it's. Phenomena
how many people can Hire Donald? Trump think about? It, Hey,
donald come work for? Me Tom all. There you KNOW
i needed to pink my.

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
BASEMENT a couple of years, ago you were brought down
TO ovw for training. Seminar what happened between you and Seeing?

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
PUMP i wanted to kick his little but is what.
Happened because they brought me down to uh talk to the,
guys and Seeing. Pump every TIME i say something about old,
school he made fun of. It you, know he made
little slickers and stuff up and all, that but he
got no respect for the. Past SO i told him

(01:48:43):
to keep his mouth shut While i'm. Talking, WELL i
came up a shot it for, him and that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
Happened do you think he gained your respect by the
end of the S?

Speaker 3 (01:48:54):
No, No so it's still a little bit heat.

Speaker 1 (01:48:56):
There, well we was casual of each.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
That but, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
Punk is what you see ON tv is not. Fake
let's put it that a. Way what you see is
the true pump and he was trained By Holly. Race
something happened along the land. There he just he's not
acting ON. Tv just believe it at. Away he's not.
Acting he really believed he's bothered than. People it is.

(01:49:28):
Not it's. Not that's Why vince did. It vince got a.
Reason vince would make you be you because when you,
fake eventually people will see through. You but when you be,
yourself they can't see through. You it's.

Speaker 3 (01:49:45):
True let's talk about The hall Of fame two thousand and.
Six you're inducted by. St.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
Jones was that your choice to be inducted by?

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
St? Or was that the? Office it was man because
they asked, me WHO i want to get a ducted?
BY i, said with it only one, perch they gotta BE.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
Sd what are your memories of that?

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
Weekend it, Was it was great and it was sad
because not in a thousand years WHAT i thought that
would be the last TIME i see ASD. H he
died a year. LATER i never saw that man. Again

(01:50:21):
my best FRIEND i had in the rest of, bus
one of my best. Friends and WHEN i chuck hands
with him the next moment and wish him a nice
trip home AND i left jump on the. Airplane not
in a thousand, YEARS i, Thought, tony this is the
last time you're going to SEE. S. D. Jones not
in a thousand year DID i thought.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
That as far as being inducted into The hall Of,
fame what was?

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
That what did that mean to?

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
You i'm glad it, happened BUT i think there's a
lot more people deserving it more than, me.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
KNOW i think there's a whole lot more. People and
then WHEN i see their abduct people that don't deserve,
It like last year they bought. There they had this.
Comedian they should never put him in. There he didn't
he didn't earn the right to do, that you. Know,
uh and then they would put a guy in like

(01:51:29):
real pair of refrigerator And Bob. Yuka you, KNOW i
think they kind of degrade it when they just you,
know when you could wrestle one time being in The
hall Of fame that don't say much for The hall Of.
Fame and then when you got great wrestler that dedicate
their whole life to this business that don't have A

(01:51:50):
hall Of fame. Ring you, know My cavin is not,
there you, Know Johnny weaver before he, Died Wahoo. Daniel you,
KNOW i can name tons and tons of. People Killer.
KOWASKA i don't know if they ever put him in
there or. Not you, know you could go on and
on with all these great, stars Hay, Stock, calhoun he's,

(01:52:15):
deceased but still you know guys that really made a
contribution to this. BUSINESS i mean guy that trade, Me
jean And Odie. Anderson you know what happened to these.
Guys they don't deserve, that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
Know and you you, know speaking of cabin, again you
think Of Cavin sallow at all he did with this.
Business he started that here with but there was Mid Atlantic.
Wrestling then he went To florida in, wrestler and then
he was one of the guys that Made nitro and
that w C w big way, back but there was

(01:52:53):
nothing going on great and. Resting he was one of
the genius men that came up with program to really
make that W cw. Work and you know where he,
left it wasn't the same ANYMORE. Ecw you know people
that got, that like The sandman and all them guys

(01:53:13):
that really got THAT ecw. Going you know that really
Made vince. Sweat if they were to us so, good
they need notheer brought.

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
Up looking back on your, career do you have any?

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
Regrets?

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
Now everything is. Fake everything that happened to, me the
good and the, bad is all what made. Me if
everything had been great for me my whole, LIFE i
wouldn't be WHO i am now if everything had been
bad my whole. Life AND i think a human being
the need that dollars in their life to keep them.
Humble Imagine tony has never ever making a mistake or

(01:53:56):
having a. Failure we wouldn't be doing this interview BECAUSE
i would have felt That i'm too good to set
down in the room and talk a couple of hours to.
You about the. Interview the kids THAT i trained In
maine would have never been trained BECAUSE i would have
been above that experienced the life of a homeless. PERSON

(01:54:21):
i would have never experienced. That knowing what it liked
to be, SUCCESSFUL i would have never experienced that because
BEFORE i was, successful BUT i didn't feel. IT i
couldn't feel. IT i felt LIKE i deserved. It WHEN
i went back to Manage Mark hendrick and being able

(01:54:46):
to have watched this, SHOW i felt it for the
first time of my. Life but it feels like to be.
Successful BUT i had to lose it all to have
the appreciation for what it is, now AND i met
a whole lot OF i have never met my. Wife
if it wasn't for me. FAILING i had to fail

(01:55:06):
to meet my, WIFE i wouldn't never develop a relationship
with my. Daughter IF i hadn't, FAILED i would BE
i was above all. THAT i was above, family but above,
friends above respecting anything but, me and becoming. Humble you,

(01:55:26):
know WHEN i became, HOMELESS i became. Humble so sometimes
the bad things in your life are the best things
in your. Life or teach you to be, humble teach
you to be, appreciate you, know it teach you how
to really learn what life is all. About life isn't
all about, success and it ain't all about. Failing you,

(01:55:50):
know it's about. Both you have to have both of
your life to be, complete because you never learn anything
if you never, failure and you never appreciate nothing. Either
if you never, lose how you gonna know the jow
winning the Super? Bowl if you, win everyone you ever go,

(01:56:13):
to not THOUGH i don't mean. Nothing but if you,
lose and you know what it feels. Like they're set
in that dressing room and see the other team celebrate
and then your turn, come it's much sweeter that this
was the best TRIP i would with the W. W

(01:56:35):
that's the first TIME i may enjoy being. THERE i did.
LESS i was, older, fatter less. Popular, well the best
w trip over, me but it didn't press it over
THENOMINATE i did. THAT i press a lot of. People
didn't mean. NOTHING i was used to making big, money
didn't mean. Nothing but Now i'm a lot more appreciated of.

(01:57:00):
Things you, KNOW i got a greater love for people and.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
Country is there anything want to say to your fans out?
There are they never had a chance to say before, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
Nothing come from negative.

Speaker 3 (01:57:22):
But.

Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
Negative Since i've been, Off i've been watching a lot OF.
Tv i'm not a very political, person but here lately
we can't say nothing about, president government or country that

(01:57:43):
is not. Negative one one, day we talked about we
live in the greatest country in the. World five seconds
later we talked about how bad everything. Is you can't
have it both. Way even when you're in the greatest
country in the world or you're in the worst country

(01:58:05):
in the. World you can't have it both. Way you
have to. Decide If George, Washington tom And jefferson had
became as negative as the society is, today we wouldn't
have to worry about bad mouth in the country because
there wouldn't be no. Country i've been to every country
in the world with the exception of, three and you

(01:58:27):
asked any wrestler on this, planet when you come back To,
america you know you came back to the best country
in the. WORLD i was In, Gualatemada Central america in
nineteen seventy five when they had the big earthquake and we.
Left me And Don canudo Or, berke the soda bunch of.
Us we left one day before that massive earthquake hit

(01:58:48):
in nineteen seventy five In, Guatemala Central. America AND i
have a girl over THAT i was dating at the,
time AND i went to say goodbye to her before we.
Left her mother, said you can't see my daughter because
you're a. Liar and we Are, catholics and We're, christians
and we believe In, god and we don't believe in
people that. Lie AND i, said what DO i lie

(01:59:08):
to your daughter? About she, said, well my daughter asked, you,
well you rich and you said. No she, SAID i,
said Well i'm. Not she, said you have, refrigerator, yes,
ma'am a, car, yes, ma'am a, stole, yes, ma'am A tv, yes.
Ma'am she will see you're a liar because nobody have
that much that is not. Rich we don't came to

(01:59:33):
the place that we have to have more than what
we need to feel, rich that to have ten times
what you need for a lifetime to feel, good and
then even then we don't feel good about. It whereas
In grandemoda Of Central, america if you got just the

(01:59:53):
simper necessity of, life you are. Rich and we have
law that somewhere along the. Land see that the more we,
have the more unhappy we. Become we had lost that
appreciation because for such a long. Time we've been on
top for so, long and the country right now remind

(02:00:15):
me of the Old Tony. ATNAS i was on top
in every TERRITORY i, went AND i lost my appreciation
for the LIFE i was. Living SO i had to
lose that life and then get pieces of it inch
Byck ins back to make me appreciate the life THAT

(02:00:35):
i was blessed. With SO i asked all the rest
of their fans out, there of all My american, fans
do we as a country have to lose everything that
our ancestors worked for in order to us to appreciate
what we. Had you won't get nothing in life from
thinking negative or talking, negative or putting down somebody. Else

(02:01:00):
you use putting down somebody. Else if you use that
same energy in building, yourself you would not only make
yourself a greater, person or you will make the country
yourself a greater. Person so stop being, negative stop talking
bad about. Things because if you really want something to
get pissed off, about go and live a week In

(02:01:24):
india Or africa and live the way they. Live within a,
week you have a hell of a lot to be mad,
about trust.

Speaker 2 (02:01:31):
Me, WELL i want to thank you for being here
with us today as a great. Interviewer thank, you. Sir
do you want to plug your?

Speaker 1 (02:01:38):
Book? Yes for all those that don't Know Tony, athletes
you could go to crowbobpress dot com and Receive Too
Much Too soon By Tony. Atlas it explains my, ups my,
downs my, lights my, dislikes and it explained the fact

(02:02:01):
THAT i was raised in the greatest country in the
history of the, world The United states Of, america and
this life and this story could only take place in
one of the greatest nations in the. World Too Much Too,
soon crowbar press dot. Com get your copy in.

Speaker 2 (02:02:17):
Now can we hear your?

Speaker 3 (02:02:19):
Laugh

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