August 27, 2025 • 33 mins
Caroleen Stewart and Nelson Torres are joined in the studio by Guy Gonzales, aka Deuce 42, as they delve into his book, which chronicles his experiences in Times Square during the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, including his tenure at ShowWorld.
This is a particularly noteworthy episode, as it is a rare podcast installment that reminisces about bygone days in New York City, where Times Square has undergone significant transformations since Showworld ceased operations years ago.
For further information about Guy Gonzalez's book “PEEP MAN “and to purchase a copy, please click on the provided Amazon link.
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This is a particularly noteworthy episode, as it is a rare podcast installment that reminisces about bygone days in New York City, where Times Square has undergone significant transformations since Showworld ceased operations years ago.
For further information about Guy Gonzalez's book “PEEP MAN “and to purchase a copy, please click on the provided Amazon link.
https://a.co/d/1qvKiHe
Episode: 696
#WTF #WTFTVLive
WTF TV Live is hosted by Nelson Torres and airs LIVE every Tuesday
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, folks, ladies and gentlemen, and all new episode
you really don't want to miss tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's gonna be a big one.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Carolyn Stewart herself and we have a very very special
guest guy gun Solas, known as Deuce forty two.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
A great pleasure to be here today, all of you.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yes, it's gonna be a very interesting because I read
some of your book and it's really fun. We're gonna
talk about morning.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Put it this way.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
If you're really into the show world History in Times Square,
this is the episode for you to check out. So
with that wa TV starts now. All right, we're gonna
do the fat alright, alright, alright, coming to you from
(01:00):
the studios not far from the Hudson Yards, very close
to Times Square, which is the subject of our of
our show tonight, Ladies and gentlemen, you don't want to
miss all right next to us this week, guys, always,
ladies and gentlemen, we're in the midst of everything going
along with me as the goddess and music of herself.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Caroline.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Hey, guys, Caroline Stewart here and we are here in Manhattan.
Neighboring network in the city is so nice. They named
it twice New York, New York, not that far from
the Jacob Javid Center and not that far from the
center of the universe, that is Times Square. And just
like my colleague Nelson Sores has said, we are speaking
with an individual who has witnessed Time Square in its prime.
(01:37):
And heyday, ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the
author of peep Show manage.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Actually it's called peep Man.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
My apologies peep Man.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yes, Guy Gonzalez aka Deuce forty two.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Hello, everyone. It's such an honor to be here with
your esteemed audience, very well educated.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Here, and we had a lot lot of people actually
here to see you more and more about that later.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I'm very sorry to hear that. Yeah, well, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, we would like We talked to one of the
women here actually mentioning about you know that paylists went
out of business years ago.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
We didn't know that, right, I had.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
No idea, and I'm really shocked to hear that. And
I don't know if we can continue this broad this
broadcast or presentage whatever you call it. After hearing that,
I don't know how to deal. We'll talk somehow.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I'm still like one that later tonight. But anyway, hey
guy man, it's a pleasure finally seeing you here in
the studio.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We've met too.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
We met went to the bookstore when when you had
I took a picture with you, so there's a picture
of that. We we went to the Village Works and
I couldn't do the interview there because that place is
kind of weird about Canberra's so.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I can understand and respect.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Well, there were a lot of exhibitions present for my
book event, and I I think some some of them,
you know, don't like being photographed, unless of course, well
you know, you have to dole out.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, so that's that's probably the reason, because you know,
they like to flaunt themselves. Let's be honest. There are
a lot of people that were flaunting themselves more ways
than one. Yes, there wasn't outright in decency. Oh well,
I'm sure that soon want the more majority showing up,
you know and having a little protest.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, maybe that would be good.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Actually some more books, oh yeah, especially yes, yeah, at
least didn't have like a bunch of drinks here and
in your honor, which is a whole nother story.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well, yes, I didn't know had anything to.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Do with it, but we definitely met you, mister two
under tragic circumstances with our late, great dear friend, Jean Valjean.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Jean Valjean was awesome man. He's been on the show
a couple of times. A friend of the show too.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
May yes, can we just have a quick moment of
silence for the man?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Was that good, Caroline?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, because he was an awesome He was a great
guest too. He was a great talk and off camber too.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
He would love to talk. Oh yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I would have to say quintessential iconoclassic New York character,
which there are few and far between. Now, I agree
the original New Yorkers there were a hardcore all right.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, definitely, I would say he was one of the
one of the founding fathers.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yes, because when we interviewed him, he actually talked about
being on Midnight Blue with Al Goldstein being interviewed, being
one of the few at the time a few black
porn directors. So so that was a fun experience seeing
that interview because I remember doing it for the research
for that interview alone.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But since then we were.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Talking on the phone for little hours on end, and
Carolyn contested.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Hours and hours of conversation just historical, really historical lessons
walking down memory lane.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And not only that, he used to get me in
backstage at Roseland for nothing. He would take me in
the back door, right, you know, sneak me in there. Yeah,
that was good. But I fucked up when he invited
me to Madonna come down. I've hated myself ever since.
You know, that was really messed up in my part.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But he did call me. Oh he was.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
He was a gentleman, you know, and he knew how
to hang out. He wasn't an amateur. He was professional.
Of course when that would end, it's hard to say
it could go on, keep going and going, but he was.
He was one of the people that instigated that whole thing.
He was. He was a founding father, just like Carolyne
just said in more ways, Yes, definitely.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, he did a lot of like parties too. And
he also, you know, he knew how to Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
So, and I know we talked about at some point
we're gonna have a special episode about Jean Valjean sometimes
this year or so. It's so anybody knows John, you
know your morning walking and come through. Just you know
how to contact me, we'll give that later or Amy
or I don't know, email I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
But whichever you can d M or email wtf TV
and just say hey, I know Jean Valjean and give
us your lovely positive anecdotes about the man.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yes, and my email is, by the way, wtf t
V at yahoo dot com. So they saying, so guy,
So now your book, peep Man, I love it.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, and it took me a few years to arrive
at this conclusion. Yes, right title, Yeah, that would resonate
so deeply and in the obscurity of my ambigorous audience.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Now let's break down peep Man. Even though it's such
a very bold name, who is peep Man?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Well, essentially, if you go back in time, it was
this young person. He was troubled and, like a lot
of in that period of time, late seventies the early eighties,
made the excursion to Times Square was attracted. It was
(07:28):
attracted to the illicitness of Times Square and in particular
forty second Street, which those of us that became inhabitants
of called the Deuce. It's a very notorious place. It
was a place that no, no, no, don't go there.
Just the fact that they would tell you not to
go there. I wanted to go. I wanted to be there.
(07:48):
So just like in my book, you know, everybody always
used this analogy, he was like them off to the flames,
so fucking boring man. I wrote a chapter called the
Blue Flame of Promiscuity. I did not want to go
to the flame. I wanted to be the flame. And
the attractiveness of Times Square as a whole, as a
(08:10):
red light district, it was irresistible to me. It was
like I was a fragment of and iron filing going
towards a magnet. I had to go there to find
out what I was meant to be, and I did
not know what that was. So I was just biding
my time. I just wanted to be in the epicenter. Unfortunately,
in some cases, there was a lot of criminal activity
(08:32):
at the time, but it didn't dissuade me one bit.
I wanted to be part of something. I wanted to
prove myself. I also wanted to have a sense of belonging,
which I didn't have, especially when I graduated high school,
because I didn't make it into college. Well the college.
I wanted to get a scholarship too, and I kind
of felt disgraced because my dad, being an Asian, we
(08:55):
have this whole thing which I believe was ridiculous called
losing face. So being that I lost face, I decided
why I might as well just go to rock Bottom
and I went. You know, I actually uh the picture
that you just saw of the pussy Cat. I wandered
in there and I figured, you know why, I'm gonna
ask for a job and they're never gonna hire me
(09:15):
because my hair was long and everything. You know, I
look like I look like I came to a cheaching
shrong movie. That's what I look like. I looked like
a stoner, you know. Yeah, yeah, like Fast Times a
Ridge Mount High.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Here.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So I went in and asked for a job, and
the guy hired me on the spice says when you
want a store. It was like I was shocked, and
I realized there was a whole network of peep show emporiums,
and these are far better than the normal peep shows.
They were elegant, in fact, very sophisticated, and they smelt good.
They smelt really good. They were like, you know, like
these uh, pornography supermarkets. So I was, like I was,
(09:51):
it was the most amazing thing that ever happened. He says, Okay,
we'll start tomorrow night, you know, just like that.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, And and the thing about it is changed my
life forever because I never realized those experiences would matter
more than forty years later. Wow do they're everything? Because
this is the time before the Internet, before cell phones,
before a lot of things. You know, my instincts, which
weren't weren't that great at that point when I was
in my early twenties, I began to hone my instincts.
(10:20):
Being in Times Square, you learned a lot of things
that they just don't teach you anywhere else. And it's
kind of like I was kind of like a baby
German shepherd, and you know, I still had a ferocity
about me, but I wanted to learn and I wanted
to prove myself. Yes, So I don't know if that's
a good synopsis, but yeah, you know, sense of belonging
(10:44):
is very important when you get disillusioned, and I really
sympathize with a lot of young people now they're in
a far worse shape than I ever was in that period.
Because they are so reliant upon the phone to give
them information, but they haven't worked for it. You know,
maybe they don't deserve it. To be rewarded without having
(11:05):
experiences is a bad thing. And I all my experiences
in this book Pete Man, you know, Pete Man, their
factual account. You know, it's not conjecture, it's not supposition,
it's fact. I'm very proud of it.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And to add on what you just said prior, I
think due to the fact that this generation is so
glued to their phone that even though that the information
the internet is so vast with information, that they get
lost within the negative information that's more on the forefront
than the positive that they need to feel, and they
(11:37):
feel so overwhelmed, filled with is anxiety that they go
into this shell and that's not the way to be,
even though they really should experience the outside world firsthand,
even though yes, yes, the Internet is informative, but learning
first hand, getting your feet on the ground and hands
(11:59):
in the mess, you would feel like, Okay, I know
this is it, this is where I'm going to be.
You would know whether or not, hands on, if this
is safe or not, or this is for.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You right, So just basically you're just like you just
need to experience the actual experience, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Right, Like, don't get me wrong. Read like learning about
the experience and reading about it is fun, but to
experience the experience is more fruitful than anything that you
can imagine.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Now, yeah, exactly. And what's funny is that.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I actually experienced Times Square where it was like ingreedy
is the way you described in the book.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And this was like maybe in the early nineties.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
When I was actually, you know, more of a teenager
getting the idea because I mean back and we were
talking about this before the show. I mean as a
young kid. I did watch Midnight Blue, but I never
really got into the to the stores because you know,
I was still young. I mean I look young. I
would have been kicked out very quickly.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
But they were gonna kick you out, I would not
have done that.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So if I was ten years old and still look older,
and I would have not got in, Okay, I would have.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
A nice little fluffy beard. At time.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I'll never forget my cashier's thrown. It looked like Doogie Howser.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Came up to me.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
You know, he looked like a twelve or thirteen year old,
and he said, can I get some silver dollars to
see the girls in the booths? Oh? Wow, we call
them one on one booths. Private fantasy booth. Yeah, the
customer is separated from the girl by plexiglass. It's very
private with a curtain, right, So he went in there.
I saw the light flash on and then he comes
(13:39):
out and he pops one hundred dollar bill. This is
year nineteen eighty three, and I'm looking at him one
hundred dollar bill with a lot of money back there.
But I also saw myself was curious. He probably came
from Long Island and he's going to go back, but
he's going to have the time of his life. And
the light just went on and on and on. He
was in there for a very long time.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Which reminds me because I I kind of experienced that.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't mind saying this, Carolina, it.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Is what it is.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, So I want to say I've been to one of.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Those booths as early as maybe I was like, what
maybe fourteen.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Or fifteen, No younger than sixteen, yeah, and then I.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Still look older at the time.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So stole in high school and I did go to
the little booths just more of a curiosity factor than anything.
So I did get one of those little coins and
silver dollars as you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
And is it one dollar with the girl one minute?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, it was like a minute. Yeah, like a minute.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So you put in it, you're put in the quarter
and the next thing, you know, the the little door
comes out. Yeah, and then you see older girls, one
of them comes on, hey, you got this whatever, and
then you give them a what maybe a couple of bucks,
get you know, dollar two, whatever it was. Then they'll
just you know, dance for you or whatever, or if
(14:52):
you're lucky enough, they'll probably you know, put a little
put a nipple in front of your face and then
you go from there.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
That that that happened to me too. I actually had
sure it's.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
A nipple, that's the question.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Ah hey, it doesn't matter, what doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
It never mattered to us. And it was the most
we did not discriminate in show world, and the boy
went trickled down from the bosses. We had the most
multi racial, ethnic, even different religions. We all believed in
pornography and we saw nothing wrong with In fact, even
the bosses themselves, I remember they said they believed it's
(15:34):
a deterrent because they knew a lot of the people
that came in there. They would go home and go
to sleep after they went there, which was a good
thing because they don't want them out in the street. Right, Okay,
so that we actually came to that conclusion. Okay, so
as far as uh, those booths are concerned. You know,
the thing about it is is that whether it's fetish, taboo,
(15:56):
proclivity in discretion, whatever you want to call it, this
ton the words right obsession maybe, but healthy obsession. However,
the common bond is everybody gets lonely. So the main thing,
believe it or not, was not someone the girl performing
for you or you performing for the girl. In many cases,
(16:17):
it was just somebody to talk to. Somebody to talk to.
It would give you an honest you know. And that's
why all the executives, all the businessman Times Square converge
like live mice upon the peep shows at lunchtime. Instead
of going for a cheeseburger, they want to see ginger
spreading her legs, all right. And it was shocking to
me because I go, all right, man, circulate, circulate, move
(16:40):
around taking a show, and they were swarming They was swarming,
and some of them were waiting for one girl in
line to go to one particular girl. And they wouldn't
even let me mop up the booth. They would go
in with all the accumulations of the previous customer.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
In a plight way, not even a gentle wipe down.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
No, they would run in there. Because there was a
certain girl I remember her name. Her name was Magic.
She was from a Hawaii What a name. She was
one of the most popular until ultimately she found her
sugar daddy like a fur coat and that was it.
(17:22):
But then I saw here years later with another girl
in a bar called the Baby Doll down in Chinatown
Baby Doll Lounge. Now what she was doing. There was
this big, pretty heavy set more than a heavy set
guy sitting at the bar was obviously drunk. Her friend
was working the guy over and she was trying to
remove the guy's wallet. And the way she was trying
(17:44):
to do it, she had her feet propped up against
him and it was like a bugs bunny cartoon. She
was trying to extract the wallet with her legs like this.
And I said, imagine, because that you she goes Hi,
she goes, she goes he's drunk. I gotta work them over.
And that was the last time I saw her.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
So so.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Oh, I just remembered it now, so we're gonna look
through some still. Uh, that's one whatever whatever we can't
show here, rotic.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Art of the variety of what of whatever?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
We can love that, Yes, so.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
And it's fun. So let's just check that out really quick.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yes, so s works for her. Yeah, I remember this girl.
She's saying hello to me everything. That's miss Lee, miss
(18:51):
Lee's baby doll review. Wow.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
See those are the features.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I experienced this myself from behind the boots.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I'm from the little uh after And look at that.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Ritchie decided there would be twenty five cents where your
show World token, but you had to buy four for
a dollar, he says. Anybody doesn't have one dollar out
the seas when you walk in. That's when I remember
this as a kid. Wow, I remember that he's cute
(19:23):
and he was he worked there on the video arcade.
Everybody was proud to work in the business. Wow everybody.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah yeah, ags don't see these anymore now.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
These are just timeless.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
These are all from nineteen eighty three to around nineteen
eighty six. Maybe eighty seven, so this is mid eighties. Yeah,
that was a girl that actually did shows with Weekly.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
That's a good shot.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Actually, this is just story.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Look at that's something you just.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Don't seen now said now it's a smash burger.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Now is something that he's very I'm very disappointed. But
I spoke to the grand daughter of the boss, Richie,
and she really liked my website and she was glad
that I depicted her father, her grandfather the right way.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
This was in the basement, which was Mama Santana's domain.
Santana used to take in runaways from the street.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
So, like I said before, everybody said that Tupac Shakura's
mother worked in the basement.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Oh yeah, I remember this. Yeah, I was one of
those guys as Actually.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Bobby Womack's wife works for us as well.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Oh wow wow.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Actually, Patrick, that's a bomb that he was always there
right in front of Heather Hunter. Oh yeah, that's why
I was hiring in the pussy Cat. It was very
exciting to just that big sign. You know, you can't
about it. Everybody look where we each letter with a
(21:06):
p ssies. It was just they called it spectacular TI.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Fun times, fun times.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Manah, yeah, so kevinly have you been to show World?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I was a kid, but probably like the Dying Days
and the two thousands.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
You probably passed by.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
I passed by a few times.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
And have I gone in and partaken a few things, Yes,
I have, but I've definitely went during the Dying years,
so like the two thousands, yeah, which was definitely around
the dying years.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Because I went to Hell's Fire too, where we talked
about with Jean, But that's a whole nother story front
of the time.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
But I did.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
The last peep show kind of thing I went to
was like maybe three years ago. I went with one
of our past guests because she wanted to check out
because it was like where the It was not obviously
not show World, it was like for the left, yes exactly.
So a long story short, she even paying for my
booth time, which is a rare, but she just.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Wanted experiences herself.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I'll tell you who it is off the air, But
long story show, that was a fun experience. There was
one girl that was pregnant and I was.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
You know, there are some very there were some very
bizarre fetishes. I would always hear the stories from the
girls because I'm not there in the booth. You know
there it's very exclusive. But the girl would right away
tell you you wouldn't believe what this guy was doing
in here. Now, cross dressers, I would say a very
good percentage twenty five percent of all customers or cross dressers.
(22:34):
You know, your executive was briefcase and everything. You know
what he's got in there. He's got panties in there,
he's got fish nets. He's got of course, you know,
and they would dressed for the girl. Yeah, you know,
this one fellow had a very elaborate costume. White, you know,
white shoes, other shoes, white stockings, white corset, white panties, gloves,
(22:57):
a white bonnet. And then he says, he says, you know,
how do I look to the girl's She's just you
look dynamite. He goes like that, this is really where
it's all that. Well, I'm a little bo peep and
I've lost my sheep. We're all trying to relate, just
like I said before, and this is like the most
important thing for them. And and in the tradition in
(23:20):
Times Square, you know, all these businessmen have their favorite
show girl. They put them on a pedestal right, you know,
so they want to worship them, and but that's nothing
across dress. There is nothing compared to the fellow. That
stuff's hamburger's up his asps and a pizza crust. By
the way, Wow, we've had many different types of.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah, I have heard everything, so different strokes for different folks.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
So before we go any further, I want to shout
out to Stanley, who's behind the Yeah, and we have
Cole Bradley hole in the camera too. Yeah. Yeah, So
before we go any further, we're gonna show some behind
of scene stuff including you know, you're coming into the building, yeah,
and then and then you know, interacting with other people
(24:07):
that you know, knew you were coming, which I don't
know who told that that you were coming, but they
were here.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And then we had some drinks here in the earth.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I don't know how this started. It was like it
was like an epidemic. But that's that's the thing about it.
There was something this contagious energy about Times Square and
then all of a sudden my life was rife with meaning.
It was drenched and meaning. And my friend Joy, who
was Jamaican, one of my first managers, she used to say,
(24:36):
it's so exciting working in this pornography. We run to work.
I want to miss anything. There was always something that
would happen. Sometimes there was something that wasn't wasn't something tragic.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
You know exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But the thing about it is, did you hear about
Monica Kennedy up in the Triple treat What did she do?
Speaker 4 (24:55):
You know?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
This woman used to shoot hot dogs out of her
cut right? Okay, Well it's nothing, because the thing about
her is she was very weathered at the time. She
looked awful. They're doing two guys, and then there's another
woman there wiping her brow. That's her daughter, Okay, wiping
her brow because she would really work up a lot
of sweat. She would shoot the hot dogs out. But
(25:16):
the funny thing about the story of what Ramon, the
manager of the Triple Treat set, he goes, here's from Cuba,
by the way, man, oh man, he goes, after seeing
Monica on stage, I will never eat another hot dog again.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
So I'll never look at hot dogs the same way.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I don't think I can't either.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
And this is this is the.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Beauty of what I'm telling you about. We've had a
camaraderie amongst us exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
So with that, let's just check out the behind the
scenes and it will be right back.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
Yeah, yeah, Thochtrich, see you, sir, you're here.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
You should get my stopping grounds over here.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I was kisching. There you go, Yah, booties, booties, there
you go.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, Harry, have you got your here.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Man man man not p Some people are mistake he
change baby crams and black beanshaws.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
You better go. The bathroom pairs are women.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Guy Gonzalez is definitely the one to look out for
when it comes to.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
The author world.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
You are so all of you are so lucky you're
involved in something that is so visceral and not ephemeral,
because the thing about it is is that this type
of engagement real suck.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
That's right, all right, guys, welcome back. I was wilder.
You're like a popular guy. All of us on here.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Well, I'm not even trying think, but it is. I
got great colleagues here to to. I don't want to
be suppressed when it comes to the stories that are
are very heartfelt. But it's good that you're encouraging my initiatives.
So yeah, and also I say money and my therapist
(28:24):
say forty five dollars.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
No, but it's it's really good because you know, like
I said, you know, we were not far from Times Square.
Literally I just passed by. Here you showed up on
the footage we walked by. I walked by and saw
everything what it was, and it's like it's a different
Eighth Avenue is a different area now.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
It definitely is.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I mean you still see you do have your fair
share of weirdos on Time and eighth Avenue.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
There will always be there.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
I mean, yea, those will never change. It's like generations
and changes.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
But not them. No, no, they just evolved.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
There used to be the attraction.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Well, if you really want to know, like the best
place to see those weirdos, it's like the hotel that's
on eighth Avenue and I think it's on thirty ninth Street,
you know, literally in front of the hotel, it's like
and it's it's like a like a holiday in type thing,
like very high end. But yeah, people are hanging out
because it's like a little courtyard.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Oh yeah, you know, it's literally just there. And of
course you have the vagrants of course of such.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Well, you know, you got a pregnant woman with it
like two kids just with with a stroller and just
asking for you know, any type of money.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah, like it's you get definitely you get walks of life.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You will.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
I will say that we.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Would get vagrants work as long as they you know,
everybody's got a bathe. But a lot of them live
in the authority. Yeah, a lot of the love teams life,
such Hoope performers, they were actually living in the poor
authority or living on the street. And you could tell
because they didn't bathe that off. And so when you
come on the stage to do your show and they
were like, oh, this couple you know, you know, and
(29:57):
they were they were into the hard drugs.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
So you know.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
But I remember going to get my check and all
the live sex performers are on that floor where you
wait for Kathy pro Foot that was Richie's girlfriend, to
give you a check, and some of them, I mean,
the drug user is obvious. They were like doing hard
drugs for days upon days. It's more than forty and
(30:24):
you could tell it was like this energy. And I
said to myself, I hope I never get that way.
And yet it was inevitable that you would that experiment
would go too far exactly. And that's the most disturbing
things to write about. You have to confront these things,
your demons, and and they just get through it because
I want the book to be, you know, that account
(30:46):
the factual accounts, and so I had to confront that,
you know. But I'm here today, of course, and I'm
accountable for these stories that I'm relating to both of
you and to the audience.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
You know, they like them definitely.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Thank you so so much for that. But we're going
to wrap it up, and thank you so much for
tuning in. Ladies and gentlemen. If you like what you
see here and you like what you are listening to,
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Speaker 6 (31:22):
And also Guy does have a Instagram right yes, show
Underscore World, Underscore Legacy, and then my site is temporarily offline,
but as soon as it gets back on you could
see this.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
It's like a museum we have. It's a homage to
some of our fallen heroes. And of course I'm also
going to be selling Pepe Man at the Please Knock
New York's Erotic Art Fair.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, exactly. This book right here to check out.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
So if you guys on September twenty first, nice, please
come by and we'll have a little chat.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
And also very quick exclusively for those who don't know,
he's also an artist, so if you know, he also
shocked these, I mean he actually drew these.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Yes, the artworks, absolutely excluisive.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Nat did a thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, there's a lot of it too here but more
for the more because you want to.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yes, yes, I'm here today because I'm also still very
mourning my hero for for decades, I've always been a
huge fan of he drew this, and he drew a
lot for Screw magazine, and now I'm glad I did
this years ago, and I wanted to bring this today
because it's still on my mind. Of course, of course,
(32:43):
and maybe next time I can tell you where it's
like to do a live sex show to Madonna singing
Physical Attraction by Richie.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
We'll definitely talk about that exactly. But guy, thank you
for coming back.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Man, thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yes, exactly, So thank you everybody, including Man, because you're
the Goddess of Music.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah try, and you can find me on linktree dot
com Forward Slash Goddess of Music eighty seven, where you
can find all of my social media outlets, including my
band in the Next Life at linkstree dot com Forward
Slash in the Next Life.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I love you for that, So with that, we'll see
you guys next week and an all new episode of WTFTV.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Have a good night night,
All right, folks, ladies and gentlemen, and all new episode
you really don't want to miss tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It's gonna be a big one.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Carolyn Stewart herself and we have a very very special
guest guy gun Solas, known as Deuce forty two.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
A great pleasure to be here today, all of you.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yes, it's gonna be a very interesting because I read
some of your book and it's really fun. We're gonna
talk about morning.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Put it this way.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
If you're really into the show world History in Times Square,
this is the episode for you to check out. So
with that wa TV starts now. All right, we're gonna
do the fat alright, alright, alright, coming to you from
(01:00):
the studios not far from the Hudson Yards, very close
to Times Square, which is the subject of our of
our show tonight, Ladies and gentlemen, you don't want to
miss all right next to us this week, guys, always,
ladies and gentlemen, we're in the midst of everything going
along with me as the goddess and music of herself.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Caroline.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
Hey, guys, Caroline Stewart here and we are here in Manhattan.
Neighboring network in the city is so nice. They named
it twice New York, New York, not that far from
the Jacob Javid Center and not that far from the
center of the universe, that is Times Square. And just
like my colleague Nelson Sores has said, we are speaking
with an individual who has witnessed Time Square in its prime.
(01:37):
And heyday, ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the
author of peep Show manage.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Actually it's called peep Man.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
My apologies peep Man.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yes, Guy Gonzalez aka Deuce forty two.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Hello, everyone. It's such an honor to be here with
your esteemed audience, very well educated.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Here, and we had a lot lot of people actually
here to see you more and more about that later.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
I'm very sorry to hear that. Yeah, well, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, we would like We talked to one of the
women here actually mentioning about you know that paylists went
out of business years ago.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
We didn't know that, right, I had.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
No idea, and I'm really shocked to hear that. And
I don't know if we can continue this broad this
broadcast or presentage whatever you call it. After hearing that,
I don't know how to deal. We'll talk somehow.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I'm still like one that later tonight. But anyway, hey
guy man, it's a pleasure finally seeing you here in
the studio.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We've met too.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
We met went to the bookstore when when you had
I took a picture with you, so there's a picture
of that. We we went to the Village Works and
I couldn't do the interview there because that place is
kind of weird about Canberra's so.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I can understand and respect.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Well, there were a lot of exhibitions present for my
book event, and I I think some some of them,
you know, don't like being photographed, unless of course, well
you know, you have to dole out.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, so that's that's probably the reason, because you know,
they like to flaunt themselves. Let's be honest. There are
a lot of people that were flaunting themselves more ways
than one. Yes, there wasn't outright in decency. Oh well,
I'm sure that soon want the more majority showing up,
you know and having a little protest.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, maybe that would be good.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Actually some more books, oh yeah, especially yes, yeah, at
least didn't have like a bunch of drinks here and
in your honor, which is a whole nother story.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well, yes, I didn't know had anything to.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Do with it, but we definitely met you, mister two
under tragic circumstances with our late, great dear friend, Jean Valjean.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Jean Valjean was awesome man. He's been on the show
a couple of times. A friend of the show too.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
May yes, can we just have a quick moment of
silence for the man?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Was that good, Caroline?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yeah, because he was an awesome He was a great
guest too. He was a great talk and off camber too.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
He would love to talk. Oh yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
I would have to say quintessential iconoclassic New York character,
which there are few and far between. Now, I agree
the original New Yorkers there were a hardcore all right.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, definitely, I would say he was one of the
one of the founding fathers.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yes, because when we interviewed him, he actually talked about
being on Midnight Blue with Al Goldstein being interviewed, being
one of the few at the time a few black
porn directors. So so that was a fun experience seeing
that interview because I remember doing it for the research
for that interview alone.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
But since then we were.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Talking on the phone for little hours on end, and
Carolyn contested.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Hours and hours of conversation just historical, really historical lessons
walking down memory lane.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
And not only that, he used to get me in
backstage at Roseland for nothing. He would take me in
the back door, right, you know, sneak me in there. Yeah,
that was good. But I fucked up when he invited
me to Madonna come down. I've hated myself ever since.
You know, that was really messed up in my part.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
But he did call me. Oh he was.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
He was a gentleman, you know, and he knew how
to hang out. He wasn't an amateur. He was professional.
Of course when that would end, it's hard to say
it could go on, keep going and going, but he was.
He was one of the people that instigated that whole thing.
He was. He was a founding father, just like Carolyne
just said in more ways, Yes, definitely.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, he did a lot of like parties too. And
he also, you know, he knew how to Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
So, and I know we talked about at some point
we're gonna have a special episode about Jean Valjean sometimes
this year or so. It's so anybody knows John, you
know your morning walking and come through. Just you know
how to contact me, we'll give that later or Amy
or I don't know, email I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
But whichever you can d M or email wtf TV
and just say hey, I know Jean Valjean and give
us your lovely positive anecdotes about the man.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yes, and my email is, by the way, wtf t
V at yahoo dot com. So they saying, so guy,
So now your book, peep Man, I love it.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, and it took me a few years to arrive
at this conclusion. Yes, right title, Yeah, that would resonate
so deeply and in the obscurity of my ambigorous audience.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Now let's break down peep Man. Even though it's such
a very bold name, who is peep Man?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Well, essentially, if you go back in time, it was
this young person. He was troubled and, like a lot
of in that period of time, late seventies the early eighties,
made the excursion to Times Square was attracted. It was
(07:28):
attracted to the illicitness of Times Square and in particular
forty second Street, which those of us that became inhabitants
of called the Deuce. It's a very notorious place. It
was a place that no, no, no, don't go there.
Just the fact that they would tell you not to
go there. I wanted to go. I wanted to be there.
(07:48):
So just like in my book, you know, everybody always
used this analogy, he was like them off to the flames,
so fucking boring man. I wrote a chapter called the
Blue Flame of Promiscuity. I did not want to go
to the flame. I wanted to be the flame. And
the attractiveness of Times Square as a whole, as a
(08:10):
red light district, it was irresistible to me. It was
like I was a fragment of and iron filing going
towards a magnet. I had to go there to find
out what I was meant to be, and I did
not know what that was. So I was just biding
my time. I just wanted to be in the epicenter. Unfortunately,
in some cases, there was a lot of criminal activity
(08:32):
at the time, but it didn't dissuade me one bit.
I wanted to be part of something. I wanted to
prove myself. I also wanted to have a sense of belonging,
which I didn't have, especially when I graduated high school,
because I didn't make it into college. Well the college.
I wanted to get a scholarship too, and I kind
of felt disgraced because my dad, being an Asian, we
(08:55):
have this whole thing which I believe was ridiculous called
losing face. So being that I lost face, I decided
why I might as well just go to rock Bottom
and I went. You know, I actually uh the picture
that you just saw of the pussy Cat. I wandered
in there and I figured, you know why, I'm gonna
ask for a job and they're never gonna hire me
(09:15):
because my hair was long and everything. You know, I
look like I look like I came to a cheaching
shrong movie. That's what I look like. I looked like
a stoner, you know. Yeah, yeah, like Fast Times a
Ridge Mount High.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
You know.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Here.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
So I went in and asked for a job, and
the guy hired me on the spice says when you
want a store. It was like I was shocked, and
I realized there was a whole network of peep show emporiums,
and these are far better than the normal peep shows.
They were elegant, in fact, very sophisticated, and they smelt good.
They smelt really good. They were like, you know, like
these uh, pornography supermarkets. So I was, like I was,
(09:51):
it was the most amazing thing that ever happened. He says, Okay,
we'll start tomorrow night, you know, just like that.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Yeah, And and the thing about it is changed my
life forever because I never realized those experiences would matter
more than forty years later. Wow do they're everything? Because
this is the time before the Internet, before cell phones,
before a lot of things. You know, my instincts, which
weren't weren't that great at that point when I was
in my early twenties, I began to hone my instincts.
(10:20):
Being in Times Square, you learned a lot of things
that they just don't teach you anywhere else. And it's
kind of like I was kind of like a baby
German shepherd, and you know, I still had a ferocity
about me, but I wanted to learn and I wanted
to prove myself. Yes, So I don't know if that's
a good synopsis, but yeah, you know, sense of belonging
(10:44):
is very important when you get disillusioned, and I really
sympathize with a lot of young people now they're in
a far worse shape than I ever was in that period.
Because they are so reliant upon the phone to give
them information, but they haven't worked for it. You know,
maybe they don't deserve it. To be rewarded without having
(11:05):
experiences is a bad thing. And I all my experiences
in this book Pete Man, you know, Pete Man, their
factual account. You know, it's not conjecture, it's not supposition,
it's fact. I'm very proud of it.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
And to add on what you just said prior, I
think due to the fact that this generation is so
glued to their phone that even though that the information
the internet is so vast with information, that they get
lost within the negative information that's more on the forefront
than the positive that they need to feel, and they
(11:37):
feel so overwhelmed, filled with is anxiety that they go
into this shell and that's not the way to be,
even though they really should experience the outside world firsthand,
even though yes, yes, the Internet is informative, but learning
first hand, getting your feet on the ground and hands
(11:59):
in the mess, you would feel like, Okay, I know
this is it, this is where I'm going to be.
You would know whether or not, hands on, if this
is safe or not, or this is for.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You right, So just basically you're just like you just
need to experience the actual experience, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
Right, Like, don't get me wrong. Read like learning about
the experience and reading about it is fun, but to
experience the experience is more fruitful than anything that you
can imagine.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Now, yeah, exactly. And what's funny is that.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I actually experienced Times Square where it was like ingreedy
is the way you described in the book.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And this was like maybe in the early nineties.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
When I was actually, you know, more of a teenager
getting the idea because I mean back and we were
talking about this before the show. I mean as a
young kid. I did watch Midnight Blue, but I never
really got into the to the stores because you know,
I was still young. I mean I look young. I
would have been kicked out very quickly.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
But they were gonna kick you out, I would not
have done that.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So if I was ten years old and still look older,
and I would have not got in, Okay, I would have.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
A nice little fluffy beard. At time.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I'll never forget my cashier's thrown. It looked like Doogie Howser.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Came up to me.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
You know, he looked like a twelve or thirteen year old,
and he said, can I get some silver dollars to
see the girls in the booths? Oh? Wow, we call
them one on one booths. Private fantasy booth. Yeah, the
customer is separated from the girl by plexiglass. It's very
private with a curtain, right, So he went in there.
I saw the light flash on and then he comes
(13:39):
out and he pops one hundred dollar bill. This is
year nineteen eighty three, and I'm looking at him one
hundred dollar bill with a lot of money back there.
But I also saw myself was curious. He probably came
from Long Island and he's going to go back, but
he's going to have the time of his life. And
the light just went on and on and on. He
was in there for a very long time.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Which reminds me because I I kind of experienced that.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't mind saying this, Carolina, it.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Is what it is.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, So I want to say I've been to one of.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Those booths as early as maybe I was like, what
maybe fourteen.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Or fifteen, No younger than sixteen, yeah, and then I.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Still look older at the time.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So stole in high school and I did go to
the little booths just more of a curiosity factor than anything.
So I did get one of those little coins and
silver dollars as you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
And is it one dollar with the girl one minute?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, it was like a minute. Yeah, like a minute.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So you put in it, you're put in the quarter
and the next thing, you know, the the little door
comes out. Yeah, and then you see older girls, one
of them comes on, hey, you got this whatever, and
then you give them a what maybe a couple of bucks,
get you know, dollar two, whatever it was. Then they'll
just you know, dance for you or whatever, or if
(14:52):
you're lucky enough, they'll probably you know, put a little
put a nipple in front of your face and then
you go from there.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
That that that happened to me too. I actually had
sure it's.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
A nipple, that's the question.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Ah hey, it doesn't matter, what doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
It never mattered to us. And it was the most
we did not discriminate in show world, and the boy
went trickled down from the bosses. We had the most
multi racial, ethnic, even different religions. We all believed in
pornography and we saw nothing wrong with In fact, even
the bosses themselves, I remember they said they believed it's
(15:34):
a deterrent because they knew a lot of the people
that came in there. They would go home and go
to sleep after they went there, which was a good
thing because they don't want them out in the street. Right, Okay,
so that we actually came to that conclusion. Okay, so
as far as uh, those booths are concerned. You know,
the thing about it is is that whether it's fetish, taboo,
(15:56):
proclivity in discretion, whatever you want to call it, this
ton the words right obsession maybe, but healthy obsession. However,
the common bond is everybody gets lonely. So the main thing,
believe it or not, was not someone the girl performing
for you or you performing for the girl. In many cases,
(16:17):
it was just somebody to talk to. Somebody to talk to.
It would give you an honest you know. And that's
why all the executives, all the businessman Times Square converge
like live mice upon the peep shows at lunchtime. Instead
of going for a cheeseburger, they want to see ginger
spreading her legs, all right. And it was shocking to
me because I go, all right, man, circulate, circulate, move
(16:40):
around taking a show, and they were swarming They was swarming,
and some of them were waiting for one girl in
line to go to one particular girl. And they wouldn't
even let me mop up the booth. They would go
in with all the accumulations of the previous customer.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
In a plight way, not even a gentle wipe down.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
No, they would run in there. Because there was a
certain girl I remember her name. Her name was Magic.
She was from a Hawaii What a name. She was
one of the most popular until ultimately she found her
sugar daddy like a fur coat and that was it.
(17:22):
But then I saw here years later with another girl
in a bar called the Baby Doll down in Chinatown
Baby Doll Lounge. Now what she was doing. There was
this big, pretty heavy set more than a heavy set
guy sitting at the bar was obviously drunk. Her friend
was working the guy over and she was trying to
remove the guy's wallet. And the way she was trying
(17:44):
to do it, she had her feet propped up against
him and it was like a bugs bunny cartoon. She
was trying to extract the wallet with her legs like this.
And I said, imagine, because that you she goes Hi,
she goes, she goes he's drunk. I gotta work them over.
And that was the last time I saw her.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
So so.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Oh, I just remembered it now, so we're gonna look
through some still. Uh, that's one whatever whatever we can't
show here, rotic.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
Art of the variety of what of whatever?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
We can love that, Yes, so.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
And it's fun. So let's just check that out really quick.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yes, so s works for her. Yeah, I remember this girl.
She's saying hello to me everything. That's miss Lee, miss
(18:51):
Lee's baby doll review. Wow.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
See those are the features.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I experienced this myself from behind the boots.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
I'm from the little uh after And look at that.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Ritchie decided there would be twenty five cents where your
show World token, but you had to buy four for
a dollar, he says. Anybody doesn't have one dollar out
the seas when you walk in. That's when I remember
this as a kid. Wow, I remember that he's cute
(19:23):
and he was he worked there on the video arcade.
Everybody was proud to work in the business. Wow everybody.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah yeah, ags don't see these anymore now.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
These are just timeless.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
These are all from nineteen eighty three to around nineteen
eighty six. Maybe eighty seven, so this is mid eighties. Yeah,
that was a girl that actually did shows with Weekly.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
That's a good shot.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Actually, this is just story.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Look at that's something you just.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Don't seen now said now it's a smash burger.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Now is something that he's very I'm very disappointed. But
I spoke to the grand daughter of the boss, Richie,
and she really liked my website and she was glad
that I depicted her father, her grandfather the right way.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
You know.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
This was in the basement, which was Mama Santana's domain.
Santana used to take in runaways from the street.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
So, like I said before, everybody said that Tupac Shakura's
mother worked in the basement.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Oh yeah, I remember this. Yeah, I was one of
those guys as Actually.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Bobby Womack's wife works for us as well.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Oh wow wow.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Actually, Patrick, that's a bomb that he was always there
right in front of Heather Hunter. Oh yeah, that's why
I was hiring in the pussy Cat. It was very
exciting to just that big sign. You know, you can't
about it. Everybody look where we each letter with a
(21:06):
p ssies. It was just they called it spectacular TI.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Fun times, fun times.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Manah, yeah, so kevinly have you been to show World?
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I was a kid, but probably like the Dying Days
and the two thousands.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
You probably passed by.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
I passed by a few times.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
And have I gone in and partaken a few things, Yes,
I have, but I've definitely went during the Dying years,
so like the two thousands, yeah, which was definitely around
the dying years.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Because I went to Hell's Fire too, where we talked
about with Jean, But that's a whole nother story front
of the time.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
But I did.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
The last peep show kind of thing I went to
was like maybe three years ago. I went with one
of our past guests because she wanted to check out
because it was like where the It was not obviously
not show World, it was like for the left, yes exactly.
So a long story short, she even paying for my
booth time, which is a rare, but she just.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Wanted experiences herself.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I'll tell you who it is off the air, But
long story show, that was a fun experience. There was
one girl that was pregnant and I was.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
You know, there are some very there were some very
bizarre fetishes. I would always hear the stories from the
girls because I'm not there in the booth. You know
there it's very exclusive. But the girl would right away
tell you you wouldn't believe what this guy was doing
in here. Now, cross dressers, I would say a very
good percentage twenty five percent of all customers or cross dressers.
(22:34):
You know, your executive was briefcase and everything. You know
what he's got in there. He's got panties in there,
he's got fish nets. He's got of course, you know,
and they would dressed for the girl. Yeah, you know,
this one fellow had a very elaborate costume. White, you know,
white shoes, other shoes, white stockings, white corset, white panties, gloves,
(22:57):
a white bonnet. And then he says, he says, you know,
how do I look to the girl's She's just you
look dynamite. He goes like that, this is really where
it's all that. Well, I'm a little bo peep and
I've lost my sheep. We're all trying to relate, just
like I said before, and this is like the most
important thing for them. And and in the tradition in
(23:20):
Times Square, you know, all these businessmen have their favorite
show girl. They put them on a pedestal right, you know,
so they want to worship them, and but that's nothing
across dress. There is nothing compared to the fellow. That
stuff's hamburger's up his asps and a pizza crust. By
the way, Wow, we've had many different types of.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah, I have heard everything, so different strokes for different folks.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
So before we go any further, I want to shout
out to Stanley, who's behind the Yeah, and we have
Cole Bradley hole in the camera too. Yeah. Yeah, So
before we go any further, we're gonna show some behind
of scene stuff including you know, you're coming into the building, yeah,
and then and then you know, interacting with other people
(24:07):
that you know, knew you were coming, which I don't
know who told that that you were coming, but they
were here.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And then we had some drinks here in the earth.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I don't know how this started. It was like it
was like an epidemic. But that's that's the thing about it.
There was something this contagious energy about Times Square and
then all of a sudden my life was rife with meaning.
It was drenched and meaning. And my friend Joy, who
was Jamaican, one of my first managers, she used to say,
(24:36):
it's so exciting working in this pornography. We run to work.
I want to miss anything. There was always something that
would happen. Sometimes there was something that wasn't wasn't something tragic.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
You know exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
But the thing about it is, did you hear about
Monica Kennedy up in the Triple treat What did she do?
Speaker 4 (24:55):
You know?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
This woman used to shoot hot dogs out of her
cut right? Okay, Well it's nothing, because the thing about
her is she was very weathered at the time. She
looked awful. They're doing two guys, and then there's another
woman there wiping her brow. That's her daughter, Okay, wiping
her brow because she would really work up a lot
of sweat. She would shoot the hot dogs out. But
(25:16):
the funny thing about the story of what Ramon, the
manager of the Triple Treat set, he goes, here's from Cuba,
by the way, man, oh man, he goes, after seeing
Monica on stage, I will never eat another hot dog again.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
So I'll never look at hot dogs the same way.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I don't think I can't either.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
And this is this is the.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Beauty of what I'm telling you about. We've had a
camaraderie amongst us exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
So with that, let's just check out the behind the
scenes and it will be right back.
Speaker 7 (25:51):
Yeah, yeah, Thochtrich, see you, sir, you're here.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
You should get my stopping grounds over here.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
I was kisching. There you go, Yah, booties, booties, there
you go.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, Harry, have you got your here.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Man man man not p Some people are mistake he
change baby crams and black beanshaws.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
You better go. The bathroom pairs are women.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Guy Gonzalez is definitely the one to look out for
when it comes to.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
The author world.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
You are so all of you are so lucky you're
involved in something that is so visceral and not ephemeral,
because the thing about it is is that this type
of engagement real suck.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
That's right, all right, guys, welcome back. I was wilder.
You're like a popular guy. All of us on here.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Well, I'm not even trying think, but it is. I
got great colleagues here to to. I don't want to
be suppressed when it comes to the stories that are
are very heartfelt. But it's good that you're encouraging my initiatives.
So yeah, and also I say money and my therapist
(28:24):
say forty five dollars.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
No, but it's it's really good because you know, like
I said, you know, we were not far from Times Square.
Literally I just passed by. Here you showed up on
the footage we walked by. I walked by and saw
everything what it was, and it's like it's a different
Eighth Avenue is a different area now.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
It definitely is.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I mean you still see you do have your fair
share of weirdos on Time and eighth Avenue.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
There will always be there.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
I mean, yea, those will never change. It's like generations
and changes.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
But not them. No, no, they just evolved.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
There used to be the attraction.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Well, if you really want to know, like the best
place to see those weirdos, it's like the hotel that's
on eighth Avenue and I think it's on thirty ninth Street,
you know, literally in front of the hotel, it's like
and it's it's like a like a holiday in type thing,
like very high end. But yeah, people are hanging out
because it's like a little courtyard.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Oh yeah, you know, it's literally just there. And of
course you have the vagrants of course of such.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Well, you know, you got a pregnant woman with it
like two kids just with with a stroller and just
asking for you know, any type of money.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Yeah, like it's you get definitely you get walks of life.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You will.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
I will say that we.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Would get vagrants work as long as they you know,
everybody's got a bathe. But a lot of them live
in the authority. Yeah, a lot of the love teams life,
such Hoope performers, they were actually living in the poor
authority or living on the street. And you could tell
because they didn't bathe that off. And so when you
come on the stage to do your show and they
were like, oh, this couple you know, you know, and
(29:57):
they were they were into the hard drugs.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
So you know.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
But I remember going to get my check and all
the live sex performers are on that floor where you
wait for Kathy pro Foot that was Richie's girlfriend, to
give you a check, and some of them, I mean,
the drug user is obvious. They were like doing hard
drugs for days upon days. It's more than forty and
(30:24):
you could tell it was like this energy. And I
said to myself, I hope I never get that way.
And yet it was inevitable that you would that experiment
would go too far exactly. And that's the most disturbing
things to write about. You have to confront these things,
your demons, and and they just get through it because
I want the book to be, you know, that account
(30:46):
the factual accounts, and so I had to confront that,
you know. But I'm here today, of course, and I'm
accountable for these stories that I'm relating to both of
you and to the audience.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
You know, they like them definitely.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Thank you so so much for that. But we're going
to wrap it up, and thank you so much for
tuning in. Ladies and gentlemen. If you like what you
see here and you like what you are listening to,
give us a like on Facebook, follow us on Twitter,
check us out on Instagram and everywhere in between, and
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Speaker 6 (31:22):
And also Guy does have a Instagram right yes, show
Underscore World, Underscore Legacy, and then my site is temporarily offline,
but as soon as it gets back on you could
see this.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
It's like a museum we have. It's a homage to
some of our fallen heroes. And of course I'm also
going to be selling Pepe Man at the Please Knock
New York's Erotic Art Fair.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, exactly. This book right here to check out.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
So if you guys on September twenty first, nice, please
come by and we'll have a little chat.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
And also very quick exclusively for those who don't know,
he's also an artist, so if you know, he also
shocked these, I mean he actually drew these.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Yes, the artworks, absolutely excluisive.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Nat did a thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yeah, there's a lot of it too here but more
for the more because you want to.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yes, yes, I'm here today because I'm also still very
mourning my hero for for decades, I've always been a
huge fan of he drew this, and he drew a
lot for Screw magazine, and now I'm glad I did
this years ago, and I wanted to bring this today
because it's still on my mind. Of course, of course,
(32:43):
and maybe next time I can tell you where it's
like to do a live sex show to Madonna singing
Physical Attraction by Richie.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
We'll definitely talk about that exactly. But guy, thank you
for coming back.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Man, thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yes, exactly, So thank you everybody, including Man, because you're
the Goddess of Music.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Yeah try, and you can find me on linktree dot
com Forward Slash Goddess of Music eighty seven, where you
can find all of my social media outlets, including my
band in the Next Life at linkstree dot com Forward
Slash in the Next Life.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I love you for that, So with that, we'll see
you guys next week and an all new episode of WTFTV.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Have a good night night,
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