#105 Unveiling Cinema Symbolism & Numerical Manipulation w/ Robert Sullivan IV

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trying to clean. It's been so nice though. Speaking of weather,
it's been so nice up here. It's been like fifty
six degrees. It's got me into the spring cleaning mode.
So I'm hoping it's gonna be like that tomorrow. I
will definitely be listening to that podcast tomorrow.

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an amazing guest coming on this evening. This is part two,
which Part one was so long ago. We're got to

(06:57):
do better at these part twos. We have Robert Sullivan
coming on this evening. He's a historian, philosopher. He's a
best selling author of works exploring esoteric symbolism, secret societies,
and hidden truth woven throughout history and popular culture. With
a deep knowledge of freemasonry, the cult, transitions, and cinematic symbolism,
he uncovers the deeper meetings behind the imagery we often

(07:20):
overlook from ancient mysteries to modern day conspiracies. Robert's research
sheds light on the secret messages encoded and everything from
architecture to films. Get ready for an eye open conversation.
You know, Grammy's just happened too, so we might be
able to talk about that. But let's bring Robert Sullivan
onto the show.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
Hello, Robert, Hey, Emily, hey, Will, thanks for having me
on you thank you for that wonderful introduction. Much appreciated.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Well, we much appreciate you.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
It's always a pleasure to be here. Of course, I
think the last time we were having technical problems, so
it's nice to continue on tonight.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Platform now that Emily got a sign, thank god, and
it's been a lot better.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, we're on restream now. We're not using gosh, I
can't even stream yard. Yeah, we're not using that anymore.
Restream has been fantastic. We love restream. But I'm also
up in the up in the Appalachia area in the
mountain and storms and everything, steel effects effects that the
restream has been really great. But thank you, Robert. How

(08:24):
are you doing?

Speaker 5 (08:25):
I am there, I am very well, thank you. I'm
doing well here in Baltimore. Everything is good, enjoying the
heat wave of forty two forty three degrees outside. Like
I heard you saying at the at the during the intro,
I think we're supposed to get around six to ten
inches maybe on Tuesday, I heard. So we'll see, hopefully not.

(08:45):
But we're not club we're not. We're halfway to the
vernal equinox, but not quite there yet.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Well spring is right around the corner. Groundhoul's Day was
this past week too, and you know it was amazing.
I looked up Groundhogay, I have never watched the ceremony
of that. I can't believe how many people actually show
up for that. It's massive, the crowd.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
Yeah, yeah, I guess, I guess I never really thought
about it. I guess Groundhog's Day syncs with Candle Moss
and Imblic, which is, of course the pagan festival of
a halfway point between the winter solstice and the vernal equinox,
which is February first second, So of course we're more
than halfway there now.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Well, I'm ready for spring. I'd much rather be sweating
than freezing, So I am excited for spring, summer and
get this going. It goes by so fast, I think
because we're outside all the time. But well, Robert, I
know I introduced you, and I know you've been on
the show before, but just can you just briefly tell
everybody a little bit about yourself there tuning in for

(09:46):
the first time.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
Oh yeah, sure. So my name is Robert Sullivan. I
have five books out. I'm a lawyer. Also, I am
a freemason. I'm a thirty second of the Scottish Rite
that's here in Baltimore. I'm My first book was on
I guess esoteric Freemasonry. Again, I am a freemason. I
had to do with this one particular high degree called

(10:09):
the Royal Arch of Enoch, which is the thirteenth in
the Scottish Rite and the seventh in New York. Right,
this is the highest degree of freemasonry. It's not the
thirty second or thirty three. This is the most common
error people make, and it's actually the highest degree of
freemasonry because it's the end of the story. It's essentially
the end of the Grail Quest. The degrees to come
after that actually go back in time and take place beforehand,

(10:33):
so it's actually the end of the story. But that
was my first book, and then I have three books
out on Cinema Symbolism. Cinema Symbolism of course, one, two,
and three. I am working on part four right now,
which is coming along very well. I'm also working on
a book called Cinema Symbolism OZ, which is going to
be all the Wizard of Oz material, from the political
allegory to Pink Floyd to of course the killing Curse

(10:55):
which everyone likes to hear me talk about, and of
course we'll go alsoe into the gnostic and cabalistic elements
of it as well. And then I am also in
the process of doing another edition. I guess it's gonna
be a third edition of the first movie book, Cinema Symbolism.
So I've started in on that that's coming along very
very well. I was actually working on that last weekend,

(11:17):
but at this point I'm actually I've actually reached about
the midway point on that, maybe a little less, and
I'm going back to Cinema Symbolism for And I was
telling you this during the show. The pre show was
the movies that I'm now analyzing were going to be
the next subject. Is what I'm gonna be talking about
is the tie West trilogy. This is ex Pearl and Maxine.

(11:42):
I very much like this trilogy. I like how they
tie in. I like how they reference different movies, and
it's very subtle, it's very clever. There's a lot of repetition,
which of course is a way of mind control, or
probably a better way to implant the movie into your mind,
is probably a better way of looking at it. And
lots of unique cinematic mnemonics in it. And then I

(12:04):
went back. I was telling you this also during the
pre show, I was actually one of my favorite movies.
One of my all time favorite movies is The Body
Snatcher with Boris Karloff and Bela Lagosi nineteen forty five.
I think it's one of the best horror suspense movies
of the nineteen forties. And I was rewatching that. I
have that on Blu Ray and even back then, and

(12:25):
even back then in nineteen forty five. If you watch it,
the director was Robert Wise, who went on to direct
The Sound of Music. He actually won the Best Oscar
for it. And then, if you're familiar with Hollywood, the
guy produced it was a guy named val Lewton, and
his movies are very atmospheric, and he doesn't disappoint with
the Body Snatcher. But even in that you'll find them

(12:45):
using techniques and framing devices quite literally to present Karloff
once again as this sort of Frankensteiny and Mummy type
resurrected ghoulish character. Very unique the way they do it.
I was very impressed with. So that's what I've been
up to. And again, I I do work as a lawyer,

(13:06):
and that keeps me very busy, and I enjoy I
enjoyed that very very much. But no, that's that's what
Rob's been up to the last year or so.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
I got the trailer of The Body Snatcher coming on.
I love these old black and whites. During Halloween this year,
I went back through and watched a lot of Alfred
Hitchcock films and Psycho and all those things, or just
even you know what, oh gosh, what's the lady's name
of having in New York Rosemary's? Uh, maybe maybe all

(13:40):
of those, Like there's so after you understand the symbolism
and and things. I can't ever look at movies the
same anymore, Like does this really pop out at you
when you watch this stuff?

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Now? Too, Robert I mean, it depends a lot of times.
If I sit down and watch a movie, sometimes I'll
just watch it for entertainment value. But again if I'm
looking for it, you know, if I if I'm analyzing
the movie, then I definitely watch it with a much
more you know lens. I guess you know, I put
on my analyzing goggles or glasses, and when I do

(14:13):
a movie now, I definitely look at it through another lens.
Of course, I always look at it through sort of
the esoteric lens, see what's going on, see if there's
a gnostic theme or you know, symbolism, even Easter eggs,
things like that. But one of the things that I'm
always now doing, and especially in modern cinema, is I

(14:37):
kind of watch the movie in relation to the Wizard
of Oz, because so many movies seem to be drawling
off of this thing, and it's easy to miss them. Now,
to be fair about it, some of this is, of
course the Campbell's mono, Joseph Campbell's monomth the Hearer's Journey,
So you'll see these elements turning up regardless. But it
really is amazing how you know, you watch a movie

(14:59):
and it has different themes and esoteric themes, back to
the future, things like that. But when you start breaking
it down, you will definitely see, you know, almost like
a retelling of the Wizard of Oz in so many
of these movies. I mean, you know the ones I
just mentioned like Pearl and X and Vaccine. I mean,
you will find the Wizard of Oz lurking in all
of those back to the future and of course movies

(15:22):
like Suspiria, you know, again heavy overdoses of the Wizard
of Oz. The movies that another another set of movies
that I was watching that was very very very creepy movies,
and they're overloaded with the Crowley numbers and and and
and themes, and again you'll find even allusions to nine
to eleven and things like that.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Is uh.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
It was the movies that came out last year. It
was called Long Legs with Nicholas Cage.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
I heard about.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
I didn't watch that, and then and there was another movie,
and there was another movie called Late Night with the Devil.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
Yeah, those those movies that the numbers and the themes
in there are are are are just really strange that
those are movies that I very much like, because those
are ones where they're kind of subtle about it, and
they seem them really understand what they're doing. Movies that
try to be like overtly esoteric, I think kind of fail. They.

(16:16):
Movies like that seem to not strike me. I mean,
movies that have esoteric themes like Rosemary's Baby and then
hide stuff, or like The Exorcists. That's fine, But there's
there's some movies that try to be like over the top,
and I'm not really a fan of those. But I
love Rosemary's Baby, of course, I love The Exorcist. I
loved Long Legs, I loved Late Night with the Devil.
Those are awesome, awesome films.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, the gentleman that played the lead actor in Late
Night with the Devil did a fantastic job. Oh yeah, yeah,
I mean, you really hit it out of the park
with that one.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah yeah, I mean, and again you'll find in both
those movies, you know, just again your typical Wizard of
Oz references in there. I mean, if you look at
I mean, you will clearly kind of come to the
conclusion where the dead wife, you know, is perhaps not
who she seems to be. And of course you have

(17:08):
the set, which is the Rainbow and then you have
the characters sort of echoing the tin Man and the
Lion and people like that. And again, you know you
will see references to the Wizard of Oz and Late
in Late Night with the Dever and certainly Long Legs.
I mean even the guy who directed Long Legs, Osgoode Perkins,
I mean osgood I mean even his name is a

(17:32):
dead giveaway on this. So so yeah, just just very
very creepy movies. I like them very much.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I'm definitely gonna have to watch one NT or Late
Not with the Devil. I'm playing the trailer right now,
and one of the very first scenes I buzzed out
and you can see a lady as a witch with
a green face.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
Well right, I mean, yeah, you have the Wicked Witch.
It takes place in nineteen seventy seven. The guy in
the audience is forty two years old. I mean again,
you know, it just bombard you with these Crowley in numbers,
and same with Long Legs. Long Legs does the exact
same thing. And again, if one of the things that
I really liked about Long Legs was just anytime I

(18:13):
watch a movie and I see it like three or
four times and I pick up on things, and I
you know, analyze it and if I watch it like
the fourth or fifth time and then I'm seeing new things.
That's always something that I like that tells me like, oh,
you know, there's really a lot going on in here.
So that's something that you know, you know, anytime, you know,
even now like with Long Legs. It took me about

(18:33):
the third or fourth time to watch it. One of
the things that was very interesting in that is I
didn't pick up on this immediately, but the whole thing
revolves around the dolls. And if you watch the very
beginning of the movie, the when he's driving up to
the Lee's house, the perspective is from the doll. You're
actually seeing it from the dolls point of view, and

(18:53):
you can actually see the black cloak over its eyes.
Very very creepy. And if you pay attention to when
she's sitting down, she moves like a doll. She actually
you know, does kind of the you know, head turns
like this and very stiff shoulders. She moves like a doll.
Very very very creepy, very effective. I love both those movies.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Definitely gonna have to watch this. So we've talked about
Crawley numbers like for the people just now listening to
this and don't know what we're talking about, what numbers
specifically are we looking for when we watch some of these.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
Films, right, So, keep your eyes peeled for the number
forty two and seventy seven. Those are the biggies, the
number three, three three. If you see the number three three,
keep your eyes peeled for a third three that oftentimes
turns up. You will find that in Long Legs, where
she is at the beginning of the movie doing the

(19:49):
psychic test and they say pick a number between one
and one hundred, and of course she chooses thirty three.
But then, of course the movie takes place in three parts.
So anytime you see the number th thirty three, keep
your eyes peeled for another three hidden in there. Seventy
two is a biggie. Ninety three is another big eie
um those I would say start with keep it in

(20:10):
seventy seven. Of course, that's the big one. Keep your
eyes peeled for those. And again, if the thing that
makes this so bizarre is that Crowley's Gumatrius sinks with
the Wizard of Oz, that's what makes this so peculiar,
or one of the reasons why it's so peculiar. We
talked about this on the last show, and again this

(20:31):
is something I'm delving into with my next book, Cinema
Symbolism four and Cinema Symbolism OZ. How there seems to
be a well, there doesn't seem to be. There is
a killing curse around surrounding these numbers related to the
procession of the equinoxes, the changeover from Pisce east or Aquarius.
Crowley called this the age of Horus or the aon

(20:53):
of Horus. Same thing, and if you go back in time,
you will definitely start seeing the numbers popping up in
uncanny ways around death events. And that doesn't surprise me
because Crowley said that the new Sun god of the
new ages of bloodthirsty monster. And one of the things

(21:16):
that also makes this so peculiar is when you are
looking at these tragedies going back in time, whether it's
nine to eleven or JFK's assassination or the death of Diana,
not only are these numbers present, but and usually in
a heavy overload fashion, there inevitably will be buried. And

(21:37):
I've mentioned this, I think the last time I was here.
Inevitably there will be buried these little Wizard of Oz
allusions to the film, and that's what makes this so
particularly macabre. But again, this is the subject of my
next book. It's a very long detailed discussion, but this
is again something I'm delving into in my next books.
This will be the really the thrust of cinema symbolism

(21:58):
for and of course cinema Oz as well.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
I'll just give an example now what we'll ask questions
because I'll talk too much, So just for example, like
I remember the last time when you were on the
show Kobe Bryant's death, like the Halloween before you passed away,
they dressed up it in the Wizard of Oz costumes
for Halloween. So like, it's so bizarre how a lot
of this stuff kind of ties back into the Wizard

(22:23):
of Oz in many aspects, and all of the conspiracy
theories behind that movie in itself and all the tragedy
that happened during that filming of the movie.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
So oh, absolutely. One of the things that's peculiar about
this curse. One of the things that it likes to do,
and I believe I've been looking at this thing now
for going on almost two years, is there's overlap, so
you will find inevitably, if you find one tragedy, you
will find something else, you know, related to it. One
of the things I just started looking at was of

(22:55):
course the the the airplane crash in in the Potomac
where the black Hawk stuff on that or into the airplane,
and of course you know again the the airplane took
off from Wichita, Kansas, which is where the Wizard of
Oz is set. And of course the helicopters are such
Gorski and that's what Kobe Bryant died in. So again

(23:18):
that you know you will you will always find these
little overlaps. I mean, in Princess Diana's death you will
find references to Lee Harvey Oswald and the coronavirus anticipating it.
You will definitely find overlap where in these events they
will oftentimes reference something that happened in the past, but
a lot of times predict something happening in the future.

(23:42):
One of the things with with Princess Diana was when
she passed in the tunnel. The restaurant above the tunnel
is the log Grind Corona Restaurant, and of course Corona.
You know, here we go again where it's sort of
making the coronavirus. And you'll you'll find that even around
things around nine to eleven where the coronavirus is anticipated,

(24:04):
very peculiar.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Absolutely peculiar. I will say that there's a lot of numbers,
there's a lot of this helicopter thing that's happened. I've
gone down the rabbit hole of these numbers. And what
people don't know that I got the audio of that
they divert a plane. Actually they divert a plane through
this thirty three. The plane was going to be landing
on runway thirty three. There's also another plane involved, which

(24:33):
my birthday's March the thirteenth, three one three, so I
always see all three one three all the time. And
they diverted the plane which was three one three zero
that went up. It diverted upwards and went to thirty
three thousand feet and three one three is actually the
plane or the frame of when Kennedy was shot. That
was the frame that they the actual frame of his.

(24:56):
So he come from Kansas, which is Wizard of Oz.
But we we also got the Kansas Chiefs in the
Super Bowl. The other plane crashed in Philadelphia. We got
Rose well, we got Reagan and DC. We got Rosevelt
in Philly, Eagles are in the in the super Bowl,
we got three and three with the Chiefs. Like, there's
all this number everywhere? Is this outside of movies too?

Speaker 5 (25:20):
Like?

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Does the CIA what's going on?

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Well?

Speaker 5 (25:25):
The what I would say is keep an eye. The
numbers only surface usually around death and tragedy. That's the
only place I really look for them is around death
and tragedy. So if nothing happens at the super Bowl,
then I kind of would put that off on the side.
This is completely beyond the realm of human capacity. There

(25:46):
is no human being or group of human beings that
it's possible of orchestrating anything like this. And why even
would you, It wouldn't even make sense. I mean, why
wait seventy seven years to kill somebody? And that's the
way this thing works. So this is, without question, in
my mind, a supernatural event. This I believe has to

(26:07):
do with the sun leaving Pisces going into Aquarius, and
that this you have a supernatural force in work trying
to essentially get our attention, operating through these numbers and
killing people using these sequencing of numbers. And again, if
if the numbers aren't there. I'm still investigating the one

(26:32):
with the airplane crash. I'm still looking into those. But
those numbers must be present. Seventy seven and forty two
must be there. If they are not there, it is
not this thing.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Well like sixty seven two is in this whatever research.
We had the sixty seventh Grammys. We had Beyonce that
won her thirty third Grammy. We've got sixty seven people
died in the plane crash. We got sixty seven? Is
the USS? John F. Kennedy military unit is sixty seven?

(27:05):
Like I've gone down the rabbit, Oh, Robert on all
this happened. We got Roosevelt, Reagan, and now we got
Bush down because something happened with the plane down a bush.
But I looked up, what does Ronald Reagan, Roosevelt and
Trump have in common? They are all three presidents that
have been shot at but was not killed. Three as
the number three. Like I just there's I don't know.

(27:27):
I feel like there's a lot of play in what's
going on, and I don't think it's just human. Do
you think like they want to talk about the Nephelim
or spirit realm? Eight possible aliens? Do you think there's
a higher power AI is generating all this stuff.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Like, no, it's a supernatural force. I believe it is
one hundred supernatural coming out of the realm of the supernatural.
Human beings cannot operate like this, and especially with the
Crowley in numbers, And like I said, the one thing
I only look at. The numbers I focus on are
like seventy seven and forty two. Those are the two
key numbers. If those numbers are not there, I put

(28:08):
it to the side. And again the you know, even
with death and tragedy, if those numbers are not present,
again I just push it to the side. I must
see those numbers present or else it's not this, it's
I mean, it could be something else. Maybe it's some
sort of you know, like what Young talked about with
synchronicity things like that. That's certainly possible, but it's probably

(28:31):
not related to this death curse. This thing is a
separate entity and it operates on a sequence of specific numbers.
Seventy seven is the big E. Forty two is another one.
You'll see the number ninety three pop up three three three.
Those numbers must you know, especially seventy seven and forty two.
Those numbers must be present, and if seventy seven is there,

(28:54):
it will scream off the page. I mean, it just
jumps off the page. That thing makes itself no pretty quickly.
Number forty two hides a little bit that one can
be a little more difficult to find. That thing likes
to kill in the dark, as it were. But those
numbers must be present, and you can, you can. Like
I said, this is the main thrust of my new book,

(29:18):
Cinema Symbolism four and Cinema Symbolism OZ. And again, those
numbers must be present because seventy seven is OZ. Seventy
seven is the Wizard of Oz, so that number must
be present.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Seventy seven. I want to jump that down so I
don't forget it. And I'll be looking for seventy seven
going forward and all the things.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
And if it is, if it is this thing, that
number will jump off the page. That number will literally
scream off the page at you. It Usually sometimes it
takes a while for it to play out, but that's
the way this thing operates.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Well.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Robert, I wanted to ask you a quick question regarding
a more recent film that came out within the last
couple of years. Which was Oppenheimer, which you know, Cilia
and Murphy did a fantastic job of you know, portraying
you know, Oppenheimer in this film, and Robert Donning Junior
was in it as well, did a fantastic job there
as well. But there was a lot of imagery in

(30:20):
this movie, especially on the side of Cilia Murphy playing Oppenheimer,
where there was kind of like a chain reaction metaphor.
I'm not sure if you caught that, because there was
times where he repeatedly like visualized chain reactions, both in
a scientific way, you know, of course in the nuclear
you know, uh, you know, fusion thing, and then metaphorically

(30:41):
as well, you know how you know, his work led
to like global consequences and things of that nature. So
did you you know, did you see any other examples
in that movie where you know, you said that just
like you know, just jumped out at you.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
The one thing again that kind of struck me with
the movie, and I did break this down a little
bit in my leg the book I'm More Working One
was again was again the the idea of the Wizard
of Oz being present and the thing that struck me,
and you'll find this with late Night of the Devil.
And you'll find this in the sequel with Dune movie
was you'll find scenes in black and white and then

(31:14):
in color. And again this is sort of, you know,
the whole thing with Kansas versus the Land of Oz.
And again you have the whole idea of sort of
Oppenheimer trying to, you know, on this sort of magical
path to discover, you know, splitting the atom. I wouldn't
say that the movie is a frame by frame remake

(31:37):
of the Wizard of Oz or anything like that, but
I did find that, you know, anytime you're seeing a
movie related to where they're using the black and white
color scheme versus the call, you know, black and white
versus the color keep an eye out for a Wizard
of Oz type illusions in there. I found a couple

(31:57):
of them. By just kid, I'm just I'm drawing a
blank on them right now. But that was the one
thing that struggles jumped out with Oppenheimer for me, was
the whole notion of the black and white versus the
color scheme. But again, this is something I analyzed in
the book I'm working on. I'm just drawing a blank
on what else I found in there right now.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Yeah, there was another one with the like the fire
and water like imagery in there as well. You know,
throughout the film there was like destruction of course, you know,
all this foreshadowing, all this devastation of this bomb, and
then in contrast, the water kind of like was like
Oppenheimer's struggle in a way, you know what I mean.
That's like the kind of imagery that to me, it
kind of portrayed throughout the film. But I was really

(32:36):
curious to see if I could find any of those
other things that were os like things that I couldn't find.
But maybe I have to go back and watch it again.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
Yeah, I'd have to pull my I'd have to pull
my book up because there's some stuff in there. Just
I'm just rolling a blank on it right now.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, the movie was fantastic though. Yeah, the imagery, all
of it, everything put together, especially the last hour of it. Man,
I was like I was on my seat unless it
was just fantastic movie and everybody else is talking about
which we mentioned this before we went live tonight too,

(33:11):
that you want to watch. I haven't watched it either,
but the what is it? The vampire movie just came out, Yes,
that movie everybody's talking about. You were talking about the
Black and White, which made me go, go, think about
this film because I've seen a lot of clips and
stuff on social media and everything about it. It's filmed

(33:33):
in color, but it looks like black and white. It
looks beautiful.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
I get to see it yet. I'll get it on
Blu Ray when it comes out. I actually just pre
ordered it on Amazon, so when it comes out, I'll
get it, and I'll definitely take a look at its movies,
you know, usually have something going on in there. Again,
you know, you can always look at it as a

(33:59):
little bit of the Monoma if there things like that.
One of the things that I liked that he did
in The Witch, which was very clever and it's almost
impossible to see you really have to pay attention to
it is where uh where where at the end of
The Witch where she she summons Black Philip, who of
course is a goat of Menda's stand in, and when

(34:20):
when he becomes humanoid and he stands up and he
kind of like briefly walks across the screen, the one
leg is still a cloven hoof from when he was
Black Philip. That's almost impossible to see, but it's in there.
Keep an eye off for that. That's pretty clever. I
like that.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, well, I'm really I'm want to watch this movie too.
But that's what everybody was talking about on some posts
about how this is actually filmed in color, but it's
all black and white and it's beautiful. How it's how
it is. It's it's like I have the trailer playing
right now. It looks gray black white playing off that

(34:57):
as well. I'm very excited Johnny Depp's daughters in this,
And Johnny Depp has plays in some roles over over
the past that are kind of questionable too. Are they
tied to any kind of Alster Crawley kind of number
sequences or anything like that with him?

Speaker 5 (35:18):
Yeah, I'd have to. I mean, i'd have to know
the specific movie, but you know, i'd have to, you know,
take a look at it. Oppenheimer was released on July first.
Was released on July twenty first, twenty twenty three, and
that date has a value of seven excuse me a
forty two. And it was released almost to the seventy

(35:42):
seven years to the day of Operation Crossroads, which was
when a pair of nuclear weapons were tested by the
United States at the Bikini Attoll in nineteen forty six.
So again, they like to synk these things up, you know,
which was about developing the nuclear bomb. They will they
will sync it up with other things like, you know,
actual real life tests and things like that. So interesting stuff.

(36:07):
I love the movie.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yeah, yeah, how about a vendors endgame.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
I know that it sounds like so cliche, right, it's
it's one of those, you know, Marvel movies and everything.
But I found a couple of examples in there. I'm
not sure if you've ever looked into that at all, Robert,
but there's a line that Tony Stark says to one
of the bad guys and he calls him Squidward, but

(36:31):
then he also references the Wizard of Oz. He says, I'm,
you know, go back to the Wizard of Oz or
something like that.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
So that's yeah, I haven't I haven't seen the movie,
so I wouldn't be able to comment on it. I'm
not really a fan, believe it or not, of the Marvel.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Neither that much.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
Yeah, yeah, I've I've seen very few of the Marvel movies,
so probably not the right person to talk to, but
I haven't seen it, And again, if I haven't seen it, it
would be something that I wouldn't want to comment on.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Yeah, I got you, got you.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Real quick though, Like you know, I've jotted down some
of these numbers. Nine eleven obviously is huge Kennedy assassination,
but not eleven real quick because a lot of these
numbers are tying in. I'm saying that the super Bowl,
I'm sorry, super Bowl is going to be close this year.
I think we're going to have a thirty eight to
thirty nine, which we have the three three, and then

(37:24):
we have the eight to nine or three and eight
and three and nine, which will be nine to eleven.
I keep calling them the powers that be. I don't
know what else we call these people, the individuals underneath this,
Like let's just say the football players or the actors

(37:46):
and actresses in these films and things. Do you think
that they understand what's going on? Are they part of
this as well? Do they try to maybe promote movies
on certain days or times.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Or that's a great question. I mean, I mean, the
one thing you'll find with this is even if you
put like with like the Kennedy assassination or you know,
a conspiracy of people. There's always this darker force that
work behind them. The closest thing I can tell you,
it's the closest thing I would compare it to is
like mesmerism or something like that, where people are going

(38:21):
through the motions through some sort of like hypnotic trance
and not knowing why they're doing it. The numbers, when
you're dealing with nine to eleven and you're dealing with
the Crowley in numbers, I mean, there's just no way
possible human beings can generate numbers like this. I mean,
it's just not humanly possible, and there'll be no reason
to There's just no reason for human beings to operate

(38:42):
like this. And again it strikes me is that this
is a supernatural event of something trying to get our attention.
That's what this strikes me of. And other numbers are
of course seven seven seven, that's another number you'll see
popping up from pind to town. And of course just
the number seven, which of course Crowley says is the

(39:03):
high satanic digit in the New Age. So you know,
the most evil number out there right now, according to Crowley,
is the number seven. And that's for the Age of horace,
and of course seven seven seven is really bad. He
calls that the satanic forces of the Kabbalah marshaled. So
this is your demonic army at marching, and you you

(39:25):
will again find a lot of Let me take a
look here. I got the book up on the screen
very long, but there was there was one. I was
going over with someone else. That's really uncanny. Uh, let
me just take a look here it was?

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (39:47):
There was? Well, it's kind of interesting that seven seven
seven would be the number because everybody goes to six
sixty six, you know.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
Yeah, Crowley trashes that number. He said that's garbage. Don't
worry about I agree.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I actually agree with him on that.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
There was Let me see here. I'm just trying to.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Think the seven seven seven is the jackpot in Vegas?

Speaker 6 (40:12):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (40:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Of course, Oh I did know that. I've never been
to Vegas.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
Yeah, so so one of the one of the uh,
this was nineteen ninety three.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
Meanwhile, everyone, you can check out Robert's website, yeah fourth
dot com.

Speaker 5 (40:38):
So so this one was kind of an interesting one.
And again this is how this thing kind of overlaps
that not you of course had nine to eleven, and
of course the number seven, seven, seven, and seventy seven
are omni president on that day. If you don't know
the the the the amount of in at the World

(41:01):
Trade Center, I believe it was dang what I got
to pull this up. It's been so long since I
looked at this material.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Give me one moment, as okay, you're fine, one moment.
There's so much behind nine to eleven, and I think
that's uh, you know, I know where I was when
that happened, but I think that was a breaking point
in conspiracy. Well, let's just say conspiracy theorists that are
my age, not to eleven, especially build in number seven,
if we want to throw in seven here really was

(41:29):
a red flag on what was really going on at
the twin hours that day.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
So one of the things was the World Trade Center
consisted of seven buildings, and of course, on the morning
of nine to eleven, uh, three hundred excuse me, three
hundred and forty three firefighters died battling the blazes in
the World Trade Center. Three hundred and forty three is

(41:56):
seven cubed that's seven, seven, seven up until nine to eleven,
up until September tenth, two thousand and one, the number
of firefighters that died on duty battling fires in Manhattan
and New York City was exactly seven hundred seventy seven.
And then if you look at nine to eleven and

(42:17):
you move out seven hundred seventy seven days, you're on
the date of October twenty eighth, which is the Halloween
coronal mass ejections from the one. So then if you
move forward from October twenty eighth of nineteen ninety or
excuse me, of two thousand and three, and you move

(42:39):
forward to January twenty first, twenty twenty, that is the
centers of the these controls first US case of novel coronavirus,
and of course that's on January twenty first, twenty twenty,
twenty twenty. So in between the dates of October twenty

(43:00):
twenty eighth and two thousand and three, which was the
coronal mass ejection, this is seven hundred and seventy seven days.
After nine to eleven, between October twenty eighth, two thousand
and three and January twenty first, twenty twenty is exactly
five thousand, nine hundred and twenty nine days, which is
seventy seven squared. That cannot be generated by a human.

(43:23):
That is impossible.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
So I keep going back, is it AI? AI is
a technology that we've had for many, many years. AI
is more than just a computer program. I think it's
spiritually late. I think there's some kind of higher power
behind AI.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
I think I think this is My research tells me
this is coming from the world of the supernatural. This
is a supernatural force at play here. That's what this
tells me of. That's what this strikes me as. That's
my interpretation at any rate.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Do you think AI is supernatural?

Speaker 5 (43:54):
Though?

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Like?

Speaker 5 (43:56):
Yeah, this this, this to me is the changeover of
the procession of the equinoxes, where one god is replacing
another god. That's what this is to me.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Do you think people use this knowledge in Hollywood to
maybe help or is it just completely benign. They have
no idea who they're doing it and it just happens
in a spiritual way.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
It's I believe it's a combination of both tilted towards
the latter that it's probably it's probably I think it's
being used, but I don't think they know what they
are doing. And I think it's more like a kind
of like animals. You know, anti mesmer magnetism. I guess
it's the word mesmerism. Uh, that's what this strikes me of.

(44:44):
It's it's weird because some movies are so overt with it.
It could be. My thoughts on this are still somewhat undecided.
Is are there people that are aware of this and
using movies as a vehicle to promote it or is
it the other way around where they're victims of it
and they and they're just basically doing it because they

(45:04):
may not be aware of it, and it may be
being guided by some subconscious force. That's also possible. It's
hard to say. It's it's that that's a tough one.
The events, the events, I can pretty much tell you
based on looking at this thing for two years, this
has got to be some sort of supernatural event. I

(45:25):
mean there's I mean, when you read Crawley and you
read what he talks about and then you apply his numbers,
I mean, it's just off the chart uncanny. I mean
it's just unbelievable. And again, this to me strikes as
a supernatural event. Crowley. Crowley in his work actually talks
about nine to eleven. He calls it the Grand Ritual

(45:45):
and essentially you know that this is where you know
this thing is going to let itself out of the
bag and basically start letting people know that this thing
is at work here. But like with movies and stuff
like that, Yeah, I mean, I mean it it is weird.
I mean I can't deny that that. You do have
a lot of movies that sort of sink with Yeah,

(46:07):
I mean there are movies that sink with these events.
I mean that is undeniable. I mean, and even when
you get into like the nine to eleven stuff being
predicted in media and things like that, Yeah, I mean,
is it is it? Is it some sort of combination
of people doing it? Yes, but are they being guided
by some supernatural force they may not be aware of.
Very possible. Uh, But again it there are there is,

(46:32):
without question things in pop culture that do tie into this.
I mean that that is irrefutable. I mean even when
you get into things like with Princess Diana and nine
to eleven and again with the predicting. Yeah, I mean
you you will definitely find find highlights in pop culture
with this stuff. It's it's it's very peculiar. I mean,

(46:52):
I'll be the first to admit I mean, I don't
think I probably fully understand it yet. I'm getting there.
But like I said, said, every time I look at
this thing, you know, I'm going back to it this
weekend and again, you know, it's it's one of these
things where I look at it's like, you know, I

(47:12):
find something new that like surprises me. It's like, oh
my god, you know, there it is. And I'm sure
when I start analyzing some of these recent events, something
will jump off the page of me like, you know,
oh my god, you know, how did I miss this?
Or something like that. Very interesting. I'm very I'm very
much looking forward to getting this book completed and out.
At that point in time, I will definitely, you know,

(47:35):
be able to talk much much more about this. People
will be able to read you know, what it is
I'm talking about, and have a much better understanding of this.
And I think, I think when the book is out again,
I don't I don't see any in my opinion any
at any rate. I mean, I think this is a
slam dunk. I mean, out of all the things I've
ever studied and looked at, by far and away, this

(47:56):
is the most convincing thing I've ever seen. Just be
because the numbers can't kind of be deceived, you know. Again,
you will just find these numbers all over the place.
And it's just way more than a coincidence. If it
happened once or twice, I'd be willing to write it
off as a coincidence. But not this. This is just
too too over the top.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
In speaking of advance and things like with these movies,
we have the Grammys that just took place and everything
like that. These people get awards, there's specific dates that
they do do these Grammys on, and this past year
was specifically. There's a lot of symbolism going on at
the Grammys. I don't know if you watch that. I
don't watch them. I stopped watching them many years ago.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
Yeah no, I didn't. I didn't see any of it.
I didn't watch any of it. Yeah yeah, I mean,
I mean you you will. You will definitely my my
my thoughts with like the Grammys and the Oscars, and
you will find this also related to this thing. Is
my my take on it is and I usually need
to see it play out a little bit. It'll it'll

(49:00):
usually tie in, but you can't figure it out till
like a year or two later, until after this thing
what I call plays out because a lot of the
numbers they will turn up, but they may not turn
up just yet. Again, you have to let it play out,
like for example, with the plane crash you know in
the Potomac of the one in Philadelphia. You know. See,

(49:21):
you know, one of one of the things I'm constantly
trying to play out with this is see if something
happens like forty two days later or seventy seven weeks later,
something like that, that's you know, you kind of have
to let it play out because that's how this thing
moves around is with these numbers. And again you will
find those numbers when it comes to dates and times
and times between events. That's very important.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
I am going to play a video here off TikTok.
I've downloaded so many videos I remember watching this. I
can't remember the whole details a little bit, talk about
symbolism and things like that.

Speaker 7 (49:58):
Let me just and people are already talking about how
much symbolism can be seen all throughout the show. The
first showing of symbolism that many are discussing is how
artist Alicia Keys appears to throw up a demonic handjester
during her speech check out that.

Speaker 8 (50:12):
Clip to everyone who has ever been touched by the
music and the message. Clive Davis, Anna and AKW Dez
and my brother jay Z, Team Rock, Adam Blackstone, Hell's
Kitchen the Most High.

Speaker 7 (50:26):
Many believe that the hand symbol you see here is
shouting out a demonic being known as the Baphomet, which
is often depicted as holding its hands up in a
similar fashion. And while this is what's mainly being talked about,
I believe there is another form of symbolism that happened
during the Grammys that Harley Anyone's mentioning. What I'm referring
to is Jaden Smith's outfit. When people first saw it,
they were laughing and leaving comments wondering why he's wearing

(50:48):
a house on his head Buffer Starters. I don't believe
this is a house, but instead of castle, specifically in
reference to the Mothers of Darkness, Castle, which if you
don't know, is known to hold some extreme occult and
ritualistic activity as well as being connected to the most
elite and rich families in the world. So maybe he
was trying to tell us something.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
What do you think about all that? Do you think
that there is meaning behind all that? Is this humiliation rituals.
I don't know if you've gone down that path in
your research or.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
I wouldn't read too much into anything that I just saw.
If there's one thing I hate more than anything else,
as hand gestures, you can take any human being who's
ever lived and show a photo and there will always
be some sort of hand gesture that they're making that
you could say, Oh, it's this, that or the other.
So I wouldn't read anything like that. The Mother of

(51:45):
Darkness Castle, I've researched fifty ways from Sunday and that
is all hearsay. There is absolutely no concrete evidence at
all that anything is happening there. It is all complete hearsay.
I mean it could be, but it's and I do
mention it. It's funny that you mentioned it because it
is called the Mother of Darkness Castle, but it is.

(52:07):
It is. I've looked at that thing ad nauseum and
it is just complete rumor surrounding it. There is absolutely
nothing concrete with it.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Should we go and investigate it? Let's go hont out,
let's let's put camo on, lets painter faces, We'll go
find out.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
Let's go. It's it's it's it's it's the The whole
thing ties into a case called Mark da Troux, and
he's interesting because if you watch light Late Night with
the Devil, the guy in it who is the Satanic
priest is clearly meant to be Anton Levy, but if

(52:46):
you pay attention to it, he's worshiping a god called
a Braxis and apparently this was the same god that
Mark de Troux, who was like a child killer, was
also into. Interestingly, what I absolutely loved about Late Night
with the Devil with this was the one guy in
there said basically, you know, they were getting into it
as a demon and he said, well, wait a minute.

(53:08):
He's like, you know, a Braxis is also the showman
god a gnosticism, and that was correct, and I really
liked it that they pointed that out. And the other
thing that was interesting is and this kind of clearly
went back to if you watch the movie when when
at the end, I mean, it kind of flirts with
both ways. And this is something I just picked up

(53:30):
one when they're talking about a Braxis and it being
this demonic entity, it's it's the demonic entity in the
one sense, but it's also the Gnostic God in the
other but it went when I guess I don't want
to spoil the movie too much, but when the host
is at Bohemian Grove and he's drinking out of the goblet,
the the emblem on the goblet is a Braxis of
all things. I thought that was very clever. That was

(53:52):
very well done. So again, the whole thing with the
Mother of Darkness castle had to do with Mark de
tr Prow, who is a I think a very famous
serial killer if I remember correctly, over in Belgium. Someone
mentioned it to me. I looked at it ad nauseum.
I looked at that castle fifty ways from Sunday, like

(54:13):
I said, and from what I could I mean, I
was left with it's hearsay. I mean, it could be,
but there was nothing definitive out there to suggest that
any of the things going on in that castle were
actually happening other than rumor and innuendo. So that interesting nevertheless,
But that's what I found out with it.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
A practis that's actually Carlos Santan's first album, which is
actually most arguably his best album.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
Yeah, it's mostly a Gnostic God and it comes out
of the world of Basilitis. He called the thing the
Great Arkhan, which I guess is another word for the demiurge.
But in Late Night with the Devil they have it
as a demon. But then the one guy says, and
quite correctly, he's like no, no, no, no, no, He's like, you know,
you know as well as I do that a Bractis

(55:01):
is the showman god a gnosticism. And of course this
is where we get the word abra cadabra from.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Well, that's well, lady Godda, this came out with it.
I promoted the show today with abra cadabra because Alistair
Crawley uses that as well.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
Crowley Crowley uses the word. What's interesting with Crowley is
he changes it a little bit. The word he comes
up with is abrahadabra. Actually it actually has it h
instead of the sea. And of course, yeah, that's very
important within within Crowley's New Age, Abrara is the magic
word of the New Age. And that's another thing you'll

(55:39):
find turning up is the numbers associated with that. That's
something else I forgot about that. One good point that's
something else you'll find uh with with these events is
that no I can't remember what it is. It's it's
another one of his real famous numbers. But that's another
number that you'll see surface with with with with a
lot of these events as well.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
So I have a I have a final question, and
if Will has a final question. So you know, I've
done a lot of research, especially out in California and
Michael Aquino, which is I call dark militaries what I
label these people dark military lookout Mountain Wonderland Studios up there,
with all these movies, especially Oppenheimer and things coming out,

(56:25):
or these propaganda lips or whatever. The military, in my opinion,
is highly involved with Hollywood. And do you think they
they know these are these these especially nine to eleven,
anything tied with Kennedy all that kind of stuff. Do
they play with us? Do they mess with this in
these number games?

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Yeah, I mean I guess they could. But again, I mean,
my my, my take on it is, I mean, it's
it's it's you will definitely find elements in pop culture
that tied to nine to eleven and to other events
that's irrefutable. The question then becomes, is it more of
what Young called a synchronicity? Is it intentional? I mean Again,

(57:08):
for me, it's you kind of have to look at
it a case by case basis, but it's hard to say.
There are certain ones that I think are more coming
out of the supernatural realm. Some of these could be
what Young called synchronicities. Schwettenborg used the term correspondences, and
they actually give examples if you read their work. Not Schwetenborg,

(57:29):
of course he was back in the eighteenth century. But
what's funny is if you read Young, he'll actually mention movies.
He'll be like, oh, yeah, there was this movie that
predicted this. He's like, obviously, there was no way, impossible
they could have known this. This is some sort of
you know, he called it a synchronicity or something coming
out of the supernatural realm. Again, it's debatable, I mean such,

(57:50):
I mean again, it's to me it's a combination of
all three. Where one could be supernatural, one could be
definitely implanted intentional, I mean, by all means, there are
the a lot of the imagery in movies, especially when
you're doing with the esoteric and mystical. Mystical is definitely
intentional or al chemical or gnostic. Black Swan, the Shining

(58:13):
You know name you know, name a Kubrick movie, you
know name Orange, the the films of Aronofsky or you
know anyone like that or ari Aster of course, absolutely,
but again, you know, it's it's debatable. I mean my

(58:33):
my to me, it's it's the judgment still out on it.
My take on it right now is that a lot
of the nine to eleven material. I believe this is
somewhat supernatural, but might be the first to admit that
my opinion is evolving.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Yeah, that's how my opinion is. I'll be nine years
old and I'll still be evolving. You can't stay Yeah, yeah, Well,
you have any other questions you want to ask Robert?

Speaker 3 (59:01):
One last one, Robert, did you see the movie Nope
by Chance, which was Nope by Jordan Peel and Ope?

Speaker 5 (59:09):
Yep, No, I've not seen that one.

Speaker 3 (59:12):
So it has to do with a family that's running
from a UFO basically hiding in the cloud. Yeah, so
that's basically what it is. But look into that film, Robert,
There's a lot of little things in there, because it's like.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
Uh, the the.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Cloud turns into the tornado at one point and starts
chasing after the main you know, uh, you know protagonist.
So there's a lot of you know that you know,
Tornado reference there from The Wizard of Oz and also
the main person, the person's name is OJ.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
He's wearing like a red hoodie OJ. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Yeah, yeah, And so there's like a lot of those
things that you know that they're facing them their day,
you know, basically facing some think that is unseen in
the in the sky that they're afraid of obviously, so
there's a lot of reference to that in that movie
as well.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
So yeah, check check into that if you could.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
I mean, I think that's another pretty good reference of
you know, of some symbolism in there.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
Yeah, I'll definitely take a look at it. Yeah. A
lot of times when I come on these shows, people say, oh,
check out this movie, check out that movie. Yeah, I
absolutely will. I had I was on a show. The
one movie that I absolutely loved that I had never
seen before was In the Mouth of Madness by John Carker.
That's a great movie that's sort of like the opening
salvo to these gnostic movies that came out at the

(01:00:36):
turn of the millennium. And yeah, I mean that that's
to me is like like one of the very first
gnostic films that came out. They kind of heralded Dark
City or The Matrix or Fight Club or Vanilla Sky
or Donnie Darko. Great film, loved it. So yeah, I'll
definitely I'll definitely check out some of those. There was
another movie that someone also told me to check out.

(01:00:58):
I can't remember the name of it. It's sitting right there.
But apparently there's a lot of things going on in
this one as well. I just yet yet to get
around to watch it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
But there's a rainbow Yeah, I know, Rainbow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Yeah, I saw that too. I think that I'm playing
the trailer here on this I've never heard. I got
so many movies now I'm gonna watch. So my final
question to you, Robert, and we're gonna let you go
and we'll close other show. Can you tell us one
of the most mind blowing facts in your research that
that grabbed your attention and then that most people won't

(01:01:33):
know about, just one mind blowing experience that you had
that made you think what the heck is going on?
And then where can people find your books and follow
your work?

Speaker 5 (01:01:42):
So, so I would say I would answer the question
this way. Well, I'll answer the second question first, and
then the first question. Second, so my name is Robert W. Sullivan.
The fourth, if you want to find me, you can
just go to my website, which is my name. It's
Robert W. Sullivan four. That's the number four dot com.
I changed it about a year ago from billing purposes.

(01:02:03):
You can certainly go into Amazon. All my books are
there on print or ebook. You can get the print copies,
you can get the in e books. They never go
out of print because of my distribution what I have
set up. And again, my name is Robert W. Sullivan forth.
That's my website Www. Robert W. Sullivanfor dot com. If
you go there, there's information about me, links to buy

(01:02:25):
the books, my blog, Like I said, information about me,
information about shows that I've been on. This show will
be posted there as well. Yeah, of course, so you
know you can definitely go there and check that out.
And again, all the books are available on all the
major online retailers, Amazon, Barnes and Noble Books, a Million, Kindle.
You can get them. You can get it the print
book or the ebook, no problem. And again they never

(01:02:47):
go out of print. I guess for me. One of
the I think I may have mentioned this the last
time I was here, and I did I apologize. One
of the things they kind of was very interesting to
me was when I was examining nine to eleven and
I saw this sequencing of numbers popped up. I couldn't
quite reconcile it. And my initial reaction was, you know,

(01:03:11):
was this you know, is this a coincidence? And one
of the things I thought, well, let me test this,
let me put it to the test, and let's see
if these numbers start popping up on other events. And
sure enough, of course it happened again. And after nine
to eleven, one of the first events that I looked
at was the Murrow Building, and of course this was

(01:03:33):
the Oklahoma City bombing that happened a few years had earlier,
and just off the top of my head, one of
the things I was looking for was I thought, well,
I'll never find the number seventy seven or the number
forty two here, will I? And of course that came
to an end almost immediately. The Murrah Building was built

(01:03:55):
in nineteen seventy seven Timothy McBay McVeigh. When he exploded,
or at least allegedly exploded, it was arrested or was
pulled over seventy seven minutes after the bombing, and of
course was driving a nineteen seventy seven Ford Mercury, and
then I thought, well, I'll never find the number forty two.

(01:04:15):
And of course, when the bomb went off the air
conditioning unit, the temperature of the coolant was exactly forty
two degrees and that was exactly the same temperature of
the water at the Potomac when the planes just crashed
was exactly forty two degrees. So again that was one
of the things that just blew my mind, and I thought, Okay,
now I'm onto something here that there's clearly these numbers

(01:04:38):
are repeating themselves, and that to me was like, holy cow,
I'll save this for the next time, and I'll save
it for when the book comes out. Without question, as
crazy as nine to eleven is, and as crazy as
the Murror Building is, and as crazy as Columbine is
or the Kennedy assassination, in my mind, the one that

(01:04:59):
just takes the cake out of all this, I mean,
the one that is just the strangest of them all
is without question, Princess Diana. The numbers going on around
her are so off the chart, uncanny and strange, and bizarre.
It almost defies rational explanation. I mean, it does defy

(01:05:19):
rational explanation. It is just so off the chart bizarre.
And again, you know, a lot of the symbolism with her.
One of the things that's really unique with her, and
you find this with Elvis as well, only you find
it with Elvis with the sun. One of the things
that's so unique about Princess Diana, and you can almost

(01:05:40):
trace her life is of course in antiquity. The ultimate
or i guess, premiere moon goddess is, of course Diana,
and of course she bears the name of of course
the you know this moon goddess. And if you mark
Diana's life, it is completely governed by the moon. I mean,
I mean every major event in her life. Pay attention

(01:06:02):
to what the hell is going on with the moon
because it completely reflects, no pun intended, what is happening
to her. And it is absolutely mind blowing. If you
go back in time and you look at her birth
and her life, and her marriage and her dates of
interviews and her death, it is completely governed by the moon,

(01:06:23):
and it is astounding.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
We probably need to have you come back on and
we'll just do a whole show about Diana because I
got my rabbit holes on her too. I remember when
she passed away, what happened to her? And oh I
was a junior in high school when it happened. So,
and I was at a friend's house and she had
multiple phones in the house and her brother called from

(01:06:48):
the basement up. We were in the computer room, and
I answered the She's like, it's my brother, call and
answer it. So I answered the phony. He goes, die
is dead and I was like, what, Yeah, he's like,
is dead. I was like, who's dying? He's like Princess Diana.
And that's how I knew. Like I never called her die.
I was a junior in high school, but my heart,

(01:07:09):
like I loved her, and it's not even you know,
our country anything. So I've researched a lot with Princess Diana.
I have not ever really connected the numbers.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
Though, So Dodie al Fayed her boyfriend, I mean, I'll
give you just a tip and I'll ended it with this, which,
of course forty two years old, and from the church
of her funeral to her burial plot in Althorpe is
exactly seventy seven miles.

Speaker 8 (01:07:36):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Well, I'm definitely gonna do that. You're gonna have to
come back on some other time too, Robert. I'll be
in touch with you. Thank you so much. Everybody go
by his bo'n let you. We're gonna let you go
and we'll close out the show. But thank you so much, Robert.
You have a good weekend.

Speaker 5 (01:07:50):
You two now, and when the next book comes out,
we'll do it again. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Absolutely, thank you. There we go, Robert Sullivan. Awesome, some guy.

Speaker 8 (01:08:01):
I have his.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Books actually for my summer reads. I'm gonna basketball season
is gonna be over in two three weeks, so I
have him. And actually our next guest is gonna come on,
Walter Bosley. Have his book on my summer reads list.
But super Bowl weekend, I do want to put this
out here since we're talking about numbers, so I made

(01:08:24):
a post on here's my theory. This will be if
I win, this will be nineteen years in a row
that I have never I have not lost, and I've
never watched a season game, and I guess based off
numbers only. This is the truth. All my friends can
tell you about it. So the Chiefs is gonna win.
Why this is my post because the Powers that Be

(01:08:46):
loves the number three. It's their third Super Bowl in
three years thirty three. Don't act like that's a coincidence.
Remember the Bills game they had three minutes and thirty
three seconds left to beat the Chiefs. Only reason I
know about that because it was plastered all over social media,
especially X. That's a little X coincidence, I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:09:07):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
This is my nineteenth year calling the right team and
I haven't watched a single regular season game. It's all
a show. I'm also thinking the final scores will be
somewhere around thirty four, thirty six, thirty five, thirty eight,
maybe even as close as thirty eight thirty nine. Now,
don't go be betting your life savings. But if I'm right,

(01:09:31):
you better pay me. If I'm wrong, my nineteen year
streak is over. But I cannot see. But I can
see it now three and three. They won't pass that
up three and three the Chiefs. So anyway, Happy Super
Bowl weekend, Every baby safe and awesome, amazing. We will

(01:09:51):
not have a show next Friday because it's falling on
Valentine's Day. It's my mom's birthday. So no show next Friday.
Go spend time with your loved ones everything. The week
after that, we're gonna have Walter Bosley back on. We're
gonna be talking about a lot of this stuff that's happened,
especially the plane crashes that's going on, numerology, We're gonna
be talking about Harry Houdini, Lookout Mountain, and some of

(01:10:14):
the other topics we've mentioned in that. But thank you
everybody for tuning in. We really appreciate you. Please show
the show out. We are available on all podcast platforms.
We'll see you next time on not next week, the
week after that is what day it is as is
twenty first, February twenty first with Walter Bossley. Thank you all.
Have a wonderful, awesome, amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
Weekend Stools

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
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